OT - sort of

The face of leftist insanity.

Bush is setting them up, and reality is knocking them down.

Sick and getting sicker. These lefties are backstabbers. If we have large casualties in Fallujah they will revel in it.

sorry about post #1

it's from a drudge page story.

But really, these leftist, democrat nuts are all insane.

OT:
New one out from Oriannia Fallachi dedicated to victims of Islamic terror in Spain.

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

A new book by controversial journalist Oriana Fallaci that hit bookstores here Monday accuses Europe of having sold its soul to what she describes as an Islamic invasion.

Entitled "The Strength of Reason," ("La Forza della Ragione" in Italian), the book also accuses the Roman Catholic Church of being too weak before the Muslim world.

"Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam. And Italy is an outpost of that province, a stronghold of that colony," the book says. "In each of our cities lies a second city: a Muslim city, a city run by the Quran. A stage in the Islamic expansionism."

_snip_

Okay, if we all agree that this is a stomach-wrenching, horrible, awful picture, then why show it? Why not just put a black box or whatever over the gory head wound? I, for one, have always appreciated LGF's consideration in this matter. Thanks.

'Bout those WMD's (Le Monde, of all places, saus Bush did not lie)

and oppose the civilians and soldiers killed on our side

How Freudian is that?

Just noticed, that not only did Kathryn Cramer spread the malicious lie about the American getting killed in Falluja, she also essentially called the man who was burned alive by the terrorist mob a "toilet seat" You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by Kathryn Cramer at April 2, 2004 03:32 PM

I'm glad to hear you've had a fine education. Now, remind me what skills commandos bring to rebuilding that are not already present in our own military.

(It seems to me that the real answer to this question lies in the chain of command, not skills. Bremer would rather pay $1000 a day for guys that answer to him directly than be guarded by guys who answer to Rumsfeld. So they are a form of $1000 toilet seat.)

From [Link: www.kathryncramer.com...]

saus=says

preview!

Preview!

PREVIEW!!!

Wow. Teddy look'd horrible.

How the hell are these people made; I wonder what can offset ones morality so much, what can cause a person to be so...so disgusting? I just don't understand it.

Very strange. Are these people truly educated? Listening to Kennedy, Kerry and Dean makes one wonder if there is a pathology that has inflicted the American left much like Islam has infected Africa. It is very scary, and gets worst every day. It reminds me of the fat boy trying to appease his tormentors in a grade school.

This picture is what that troll in one of the early Fallujah threads was demanding that everyone go and look at, else he was going to call us all "facists".

A facist, of course, is a person who engages in Farcical Aquatic Ceremonies, so I'm not sure that the guy even knew what the word meant. He probably just picked it up at DU.

Check out this story from Allah's site. I wonder what POS Kos would say to this....

"An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos >FROM A PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said."

"I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.

"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."

"MERCS"

I love the hand wringing comment near the end that expresses grave fear that these brave LLL "dissenters" are going to be rounded up and "eliminated".

Give me a break.

One time, real slow.

Freedom of Speech is not Freedom from Criticism.

Your ideas are repugnant and traitorous, and beyond the pale of civilized discourse. And in your intellectually honest moments you must know that.

All that said, it's funny how 89% of the comments rabidly oppose the post. There are obvious "troll" posts like leftie's at the number one spot, but these stir the indiscriminate wrath of the other commenters as well.

Either he hasn't gotten around to purging his comments or he is remarkably tolerant of being condemned and excoriated at his own expense.

[Link: www.theledger.com...]

More Hollywood nutz...

This just in from Maariv:

Palestinian Authority Chairman, Yasser Arafat is set to meet with Francis Ford Coppola, who directed the “Godfather” movies based on the gangster novels by Mario Puzo, the official PA news agency reported Monday.

According to the report, Coppola will visit the Palestinian Authority soon and will meet with Arafat in Ramallah. Anonymous sources close to Arafat say that it was the famous director himself who initiated the visit and has already spoken with Arafat over the phone.

[Link: www.maarivenglish.com...]

On second thought, if Francis likes Arafat so much, maybe someone could arrange having his head placed in his bed so they can sleep together.

That picture must be of the unidentified "mercenary", who has been conjectured for some time to be a woman.

This was obviously an ambush assassination for the cameras of Al-Jiz and Al-Reuters. God will not be merciful with them.

I feel so sorry for this person's family. How awful.

I will feel no sorrow when they face the eternal fire of damnation.

Lord, be merciful toward those who truly care, and accept those who have been so savagely attacked by the agents of evil.

really grumpy: no, the picture is supposedly an Iraqi child killed by US bombs. And unless we feel the same outrage over this picture (taken from Al Jazeera, whose journalistic standards are nonexistent) as we did over the murdered veterans, we're supposed to be "hypocrites" in the twisted mind of this Newman clown.

Really, this kind of thinking is a form of serious mental illness.

I reacted to quickly after seeing the headline. My mind took over the rest. Civilians are unfortunately the collateral damage that occurs when illegitimate forces use their advantage of amorality over those who truly care. Any way you look at it, it is sick beyond belief.

If this is the type of argument being used against our intervention, then we must redouble our efforts to save these people from the horror to which they have become so innured.

War is hell. But people who use images of war to condemn those whose wish is to save them from savagery, I have no words to describe that.

Charles, thank you for posting this. Richard, thank you for finding this. Great find. I wonder if this is considered over-the-top by Kerry's advisors, or will his ad remain there?

Horrible picture.

I don't see anybody gloating though.

So, they're point is exactly what?

Not far OT:

Zeyad has an update on his blog about the situation in Baghdad:

UPDATE: Sorry for the depressing note. It seems like everything is back under control, at least from what I can see in my neighbourhood. There is an eerie silence outside, only dogs barking. Until about an hour ago, it sounded like a battlefield, and we had flashbacks of last April. I don't know what happened, but there were large plumes of smoke from the direction of Adhamiya and Kadhimiya. I wanted to take some pictures but my father and uncle both said they would shoot me on the spot if I tried, they were afraid the Apaches would mistake us for troublemakers and fire at us. I'm dreading tomorrow.

Moral equivalency at its finest. This guy could have been a terrorist. Or a civilian that was killed in a firefight with suspects....

...but it doesn't matter! They kill people, we kill people,

we are just as bad!

Let's not even talk about the cause. One side kills to defend the right of a woman to drive a fucking car, the other side kills to bring the kuffar to its knees.

it doesn't matter!

Sorry Charles, I know I'm not supposed to post here. But it's been some time. As Grace Hopper said "It's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission." In my case I will ask neither.

Love,

Yair

Not trying to be an ass but :
"So, their point is exactly what?"

And I do think that every American on the Right would be upset about that picture. It is like the quote from Golda Meir

"When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons"

Only in our case, replace Arabs with "Islamofascists" and/or "followers of Saddam" and/or "Baathists". No sane person that serves enjoys the act of killing or tries to take out civilians, but it is a war and the battles have to be fought and won. At no time in history has the US Armed services EVER acted like that mob in Falluja. In fact most of the stories about Vietnam were made up or never proven. I am sure there have been random nut-jobs that have gone off the deep-end, but you would never see a platoon burn people alive, desecrate the corpses, and then drag their bodies through the streets while dancing & reveling in the killings.

#12 Glen Wishard

A facist, of course, is a person who engages in Farcical Aquatic Ceremonies

Oh my! Do they have moistened bints lobbing swords?

Take a good look! That could be your wife with a similar tagline and array of moonbat posters proclaiming how she deserved what she got for who she is. Here is the perversion of amoral indignation tending towards evil. These same cretins that brandish no judgement whatsoever for criminals, murders and tyrants, condemn Americans for their very being and celebrate their murder at the hands of heathens. Only self-loathing could produce such monstrosities as these, and on both accounts; the men who committed the act and those that celebrate the image. But, make no mistake that both monsters share in the bloodlust. Both proclaim their own victory at the sight of that image... each with his own insane justification. The Left cannot escape their guilt, any more than Kerry can deny subsidizing this wretched incantation.

The Left has chosen to bathe themselves in the blood of American dead, smearing it on their naked souls like colorful new clothes...
...prancing about proudly like insidious Emperors.

Take a good long look!

If Russia invaded the United States and imposed an Occupation, the same people outraged at this guerrilla attack in Iraq would be applauding the exact same actions taken against Occupation soldiers on US soil.

says he.

Implying? That he, and others of such refined sensibilities, would not? That if Russia invaded, the laudable and morally righteous thing to do would be to instantly submit? Like do (not) Sadr's dogs and the trog Sunni's in sunny Faluja? Which would make them, what? Enlightened "guerillas"? Benighted "guerillas"?
Or that he'd be first to the barricades if the Homeland was threatened, and there he'd draw the line? (or happily cross it with a little frenzied bloodthirsty mob action of his own?)

I'm sorry, I don't follow.

Or is he talking about the desecration of the dead, specifically?

(I'm really trying here) I mean, the logic is, um, group "A" is outraged at rabid dog mutilation of the dead who represent and support group "A"'s interests....therefore, group "A" would cheer rabid dog mutilation of the dead of those who oppose group "A"'s interests. Sure, that follows!

Truly bizzaro.

Just thought I'd share with y'all a choice qoute from the following excellent essay:

[Link: www.newcriterion.com...]

I don’t accept the view that we can just condemn the NLF terror, period, because it was so horrible. I think we really have to ask questions of comparative costs, ugly as that may sound. And if we are going to take a moral position on this—and I think we should—we have to ask both what the consequences were of using terror and not using terror. If it were true that the consequences of not using terror would be that the peasantry in Vietnam would continue to live in the state of the peasantry of the Philippines, then I think the use of terror would be justified.

--Noam Chomsky

#24 Yair

I can't imagine why you'd be asked not to post here.

I think you may have missed the central points, though...

The issue is NOT whether there is a War going on...and people are being killed. The issues are: -

1) The brutal, horrendous blood-lust illustrated in the desecration of the dead (whether civilian or military is a very secondary point) by the Iraqii Muslim perps/mob.

2) The belittling of this event by certain 'hard left' US bloggers in service of an obvious (and admitted, tacitly and directly) political agenda.

I can't imagine why you'd be asked not to post here. Yet.

I can't imagine why you'd be asked not to post here.

LOL, go back in time 6 months to a galaxy far, far away. ;-)

In any event, I'm not sure what your point is, but I'll tell you what my point is.

The point the author is trying to make by displaying this photo is that our government is just as bad as the terrorists, and therefore we should elect Kerry, who will not be as bad as the terrorists.

We are as bad as the terrorists becuase (drum roll)

a. We kill people
b. There is no point b.

That is the problem. There is no context provided, nor is there the stipulation that context is important. Because context isn't important. This is the failing of the Left, one of many.

#31 Yair

No, Yair. The reason he posted this photo was to strike an equivalency between the brutal horror of physical death as inflicted in modern war, and the deliberate, post-death mangling, burning, dragging and hanging of human dead, by 'so-called humans' who were under no further "threat" from these dead.

This issue has NOTHING to do with the fact of people being killed in a war, them, us, or others. It has to do with whether it's acceptable, that once one must take the earth-shaking decision to kill, whether then one can disgard all respect for life (even in death).

Terrorists have made this decision, 'rationally'. No trained and disciplined soldier does, or when he does, he is accountable for his actions, even be they in extremus....

For example "less confused", here is the "update" right above the photo:

Update 2: Folks outraged by the pictures of the well-paid security guards have the right to their outrage only if they were equally outraged by the deaths of these victims of US attacks on Iraq:

That is the point I am trying to make. No context, moral equivalency.

I know what I'm saying might be obvious but I'm a bit out of the loop....

a. We kill people.
b. *crickets chirping*
c. We've become terrorists!

heh...underpants gnomes..

I'm sorry confused,

I share your disgust for those who desecrate the dead... but the author isn't saying "they desecrate the dead, we desecrate the dead". He is making a far more insidious and lasting statement: a death is a death is a death. This is not correct because people are killed for different reasons. Some are killed because there is evidence they might blow up a bus, some are killed because, well, they're just sitting there drinking a beer.

Anyhoo, I think I am done with this thread.

#34 samkit

Well said!

#34

No, I guess we see the same beast, just different perspective.

Last few days have been pretty disgusting, what with KOS, and Cramer, and now this mental and moral giant "Newman" or whoever.

It's all well illustrated by your Noam 'no blood of 2 million Pol Pot victims on MY hands' Chumpsky's quote that you posted...All a grotesquerie of heartless souls consumed by political agenda...the very essense of the thought processes that LEAD to terrorism, IMHO.

Wish you'd thrown /sarcasm/ tags after your "excellent" adjective in that post, though...

M'hackles were beginning to rise. My globular friend.

Be well.

LMAO! Yair does not normally use sarcasm tags. He leaves it up to you to deduce them, much to his frequent chagrin.

We're going to have a load on our hands with the arrest of this Shiite cleric, so let's make sure we're all on the same team.

Go in globular peace, my friend!

Thanks for blotting out that picture partially. You may want to put a stronger warning next to the link.

A large portion of "the left" is sick and getting much sicker. I have compassion for their plight. Here they are decrying "mercenaries" yet not realizing that's exactly what their site is - mercenary - adding to the Middle East's misfortunes by supporting tyrants and thugs. Mercenary for some advertising dollars and negative attention. No morals and no intelligence.

Iraq is right now the centerpiece to the future history of the Middle East, it's fortunes will largely influence human history. The Middle East can go the way of capitalism and freedom or it can become a Jihadist poverty zone waging perpetual war on the rest of the world. Bush and his Vulcans deserve all our support. SDAI-Tech1

John F'en Kerry's name right next to the 'Face' of a dead American from a site calling these American men scum. What the Fuck is wrong with this guy. I AM UTERLY SPEECHLESS!! The Left in out countyr is really fucked up.

This man want so be our president? Our current president is making civilians protect out interests in Iraq against a growing and more eboldened Theocracy movement.

Where is Ross Perot when you need him?

OT: I have always admired Ross Perot.
He has always cared about our troops and is truly a patriotic man.

Ross Perot Earns Eisenhower Award

GWB please get your head out of your ass and do this thing right. I sick of letting a bunch of theocratic morons gain media exposure like this.

Where is Ross Perot when you need him?

/sarcasm

//sarcasm

///sarcasm

Later y'all!

Charles,

I'll make a few promises:

1. I'll not abuse people who viscerally annoy me
2. I'll "choose to defuse"
3. I'll be a good crack 'ho in yo bitchinass blog, honky

P.S.: Where are all the old skool people?

Hey Charles how come my name isn't being saved???

I've lost several good posts as a result....

#8 Cornholio - in the "toilet seat" comparison, Cramer is drawing a parallel between Bremer and Dennis Koslowsky - thus bringing the entire American occupation under the (uh-oh!) DREADED CORPORATION (uh-oh!) anathema. Which is not to say that she doesn't express exactly how she feels about the murdered people: as nothing more than worthless.

Charles, thank you very much for fuzzing out the graphic parts of that photo. Thank you for rising above your adversary and not exploiting this child's untimely end to make a point. Thank you for showing consideration for your readers and respect for the dead.

It is very sad to see any innocents killed. It is also very wrong not to see hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves, and ignore why there is a war in the first place. It is malicious, self-serving and ignorant to focus on one image, while ignoring the whole picture. That child could have been any of the children killed by Saddam, by Hamas, or any terrorist group. However, this child has been killed accidentally, in a war to prevent hundreds of other children and adults being killed intentionally in a genocide.

As for the blogger: imagine what the Germans must have felt after the 1945 Dresden firebombing: (Warning: Graphic picture)
[Link: www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...]
or the Jews after WWII (remember all the corpses in Nazi camp mass graves).

Now imagine a Jewish blogger in Europe in 1945 siding with the Nazis, by showing one German child accidentally killed in that war, while on purpose ignoring the whole context of that war, and screaming to the Allies "no more war."

A Kerry campaign ad next to an Iraqi "horribly murdered by the rapist mercenaries, bring our troops home" I see Kerry is getting senile. He thinks it's the seventies all over again. I'm not old enough. I don't know about you Charles or one of the other commentators here, but is this how the whole anti-Vietnam war movement started and lost us the war?

#48 Ricky Vandal

I was 6 in 68, but my memories of the anti war movement then were a bunch of idealistic, pot addled freaks with a few strident wingnuts mixed in. It got nastier after Kent State. But in general, they didn't even come close to the viciousness of the current "peace" movement.

We all know that Kerry's de-linking from Kos was a stunt. This latest shows the real truth of John F. Kerry and his acolytes. He and his followers are hard core leftists. If Kerry and his people didn't support the views of these people and bloggers like Kos, he'd not have his ads placed there. Kerry may deny it, but he'll keep his name and money in most of these places. Remember, it was Kerry's campaign that virtually announced its willingness to embrace the Iranian mullahs by making sure his message of "rejoing the community of nations" got the the mullahs. Now the mullahs are killing Americans with relentless abandon. Thanks John Kerry, traitor. You were a traitor in the 70s and you a traitor today -- that's the only thing about you that doesn't flip flop. I don't vote for traitors and I won't vote for John Kerry.

Sorry to be OT, but this topic has less than 100 messages, so I'll post here a link to follow-up on the Montreal school library bombing:
[Link: www.canada.com...]

Montreal police would not divulge the contents of the letters found taped to the school when firefighters arrived before dawn to fight the fire in the school library, but the words were enough for police to classify the fire as a hate crime.

The Ottawa Citizen is reporting that a "warning" note left outside the school says the attack was intended as retaliation for Israel's assassination last month of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, founder of the Hamas terrorist group.

Television news reports last night said the note warned: "Our goal was only to sound the alarm without causing deaths ... but this is just a beginning. If your crimes continue in the Middle East, our attacks will continue

#20 Grumpy the pro Arab and pro Palestinian groups have been using very graphic pictures of children killed in war for years for the sole purpose of evoking outrage against Israel and America.I personally think that might be one of the main reasons the Palestinians have gotten so much more sympathy than the Israelis over the last few years.The pictures[if their not doctored or fake] of their dead and wounded children are a lot more gruesome then the pictures of the dead and wounded Jewish children.They show supposed pictures of babies decapitated in bombings and burned beyond recognition.I have seen some of these pictures myself and they are absolutely horrific.Of course,the Jews could do exactly the same thing with their dead babies but so far have refused out of respect and compassion for the children and their families.Other then the picture of Shalhevet Pass,the little Jewish baby who was shot by the arab sniper a few years ago,I really don't think the Israelis have shown any graphic pictures of dead babies or children,and they only showed the picture of Shalhevet because her parents gave the Israeli government permission to.That just goes to show the Israelis are more ethical people,but sadly their sense of integrity and morality has hurt them in public opinion.

Advertisers fall down, go boom.

Every single original Democratic candidate has now pulled their advertisements from The Daily Kos. I'm sorry, I meant, every mainstream candidate with a snowball's chance of getting elected. They were replaced by a single advertiser who is the latest Democratic joke candidate running against Ralph Regula for Ohio's 16th Congressional District, Jeff Seeman (a professional "peace" protestor). In 2002, Congressman Regula pulled in close to 70% of the vote for his 16th term. Good luck, Jeff!

So, let's see . . . Zuniga went from carrying advertising from key House races and the premier Democratic attempt to recapture the Senate to half-price ads for a moonbat candidate running in a 70% Republican congressional district? Sounds to me like Zuniga's problem isn't with extreme right wingers, but with the moderate wing of the Democratic Party. One wonders how Armstrong Zuniga will fare and whether the partners will be forgiving with Zuniga once it becomes clear that no responsible candidate would want anything to do with someone who supports terrorism against Americans.

Before we convinct Kerry of guilt by association--an ad that I'm sure Kerry does not know about--, let's remember BOB ROBERTS UNIVERSITY: Bush was physically there and speaking! You can't have it both ways people!

The Left Blame Game Continues.

Nathan Newman;

Nathan Newman is actually trying to pass LGF off as the cause of America's Problems and defelct the fact that he is showing glee in the death of American Men on his website. He even blames compares LGF to ANSWER!!

Hmm, He also says that LGF is responsible for American not feeling safe anymore. Wow! all that? Breed Murder

The nice folks at Little Green Footballs are filling my mailbox with expletives. There kind of hateful fascism is basically the same as the pro-Saddam ANSWER fringe in the antiwar movement; there "hate muslim" views are the same as the "hate America" views of the WWP/ANSWER types. For them, a death of an Iraqi child is worthless compared to the death of an American.
I spent a lot of the runup to the war critiquing the hateful antiwar fringe types-- see here and here and I blamed their hostility to the US for weaknesses in the antiwar movement.

But the hate spewing from the warhawk Right reminds me why a bunch of decent progressive folks end up lining up with the ANSWER types-- the LGF types embody the stereotype of hateful Americans that lead to hate of the US around the world. LGF folks are the real source of terrorism, the reason Americans aren't safe around the world. The terrorists individually are evil bastards, but the only reason they have so many people willing to hide them and protect them is because of the arrogance and hate spewed by the rightwing fringe of America.

Thanks to the LGF nuts for helping breed murder of our soldiers and our friends and family here in New York.

#54 gadfly

Now that really is the question now isn't it? Will Kerry keep the ads there on other sites like kind that purvey the same message as Kos?

#53 Tasty Manatees

Since he's into "independent" candidates, there's always Lyndon LaRouche...

#55 - LGF is the source of terrorism in the world! LOL!
People like LGF'rs make the entire world hate Amerikkans, and this produces instant terrorism around the world! LOL, nutballs.

#48 Ricky

An excellent place to start to see Kerry's 1970 "antiwar" Vietnam campaign is [Link: www.WinterSoldier.com....]

The idea then was, "we're losing, the South Vietnamese don't want us there anyway, and using force is always evil" (nevermind the freedom after our Revolution, the Civil War that freed the slaves, the Second World War that overthrew fascist Germany and fascist Japan, etc.). Also, they started parroting the "cycle of violence" catchphrase, which is nonsense. Violence very often stops violence, but nevermind....

The other key piece in the Vietnam mess was the Left's refusal to see the evil of the Communist totalitarian regime that we were fighting. After we bugged out, the South Vietnamese fought on alone for 2 more years, until the Democrats voted to yank funding, and the SV were left to fight North Vietnam and their sponsors Red China and the USSR alone--it was hopeless, of course.

Result of the "peace" movement? A million SV refugees fled the country (who'd stayed put during the war, oddly enough), and as many more were slaughtered in the Communist bloodbath that followed. And many more shoveled into the Communist concentration camps. And in Cambodia, the Communist Pol Pot regime butchered 2 million people.

Some peace, huh?

ylreveb (#59)

I know some of those South Vietnamese refugees. The love the U.S. and have become quite successful here.

Classy Kerry. Real classy.

I find it hard to believe this (said like Seinfeld would) Newman just decided to become so vile after the money from the Kerry campaign started rolling in. I'll wager there were plenty of clues on hand before this.

We'll probably get the form letter later saying "These regretful and unforeseen comments do not speak for my campaign" some time soon, but an obvious trend is developing. Hell, Teddy "Manslaughter" Kennedy is out there bellowing that the War on Terror is like the Vietnam war his brother got us into.

It's hard to avoid that these people are feeling "funny in the pants" over the opportunities to slander our nation and our armed forces. I seriously think they've got a fantasy playing in their heads where seizing power and forcing the abandonment of the WoT will amount to them going back in time and ending our involvement in Vietnam earlier. Oh, and getting one over on "The Man." For the good of this country, go see a shrink, pop some prozac and/or go join a commune. But since in their eyes there is nothing good about this country, we're stuck lugging around the emotional baggage of their youths.

#55 LGF folks are the real source of terrorism, the reason Americans aren't safe around the world.

wtf

LGF is the source of terrorism in the world!

Was Charles' blog that bad pre-9/11? I wasn't reading at the time. Man, that's a lot of weight to have to carry on your shoulders. Well, for what it's worth, it's quite good now.

Here's an example of how cuckoo Nathan Newman is. He wrote:

And, children have levels of malnutrition in Gaza that rivals the Congo and Zimbabwe. With no jobs, average income in Gaza has fallen by almost 80% in the last two years and three-quarters of Palestinians now live on less than $2 a day.

And Israelis have killed over 2000 Palestinians since the beginning of the second intifada, three times as many deaths as the Israelis have suffered at the hands of the Palestinians.

As for your fixation on my status or lack thereof as a Jew, that merely reflects your whole roll of prejudices.

He also wrote a piece comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. He's a sick one.

#63 Model4

Was Charles' blog that bad pre-9/11?

Yeah, Charles was way radical back then also.

Check out some of his typical posts prior to 911.

A real Eye opener and a radical...Yawn

Crazy Charles Causing Terrorism

Now that I have been enlightened by my betters on the left side, I see that you guys here are just a bunch of big meanies.

Now that I know who the real enemy is: LGF and not the terrorists and hate-mongers (who are probably just misunderstood).

Shame on you all for being so mean!!!!!

I am off to the DU now for my re-educashun. Wish me luck.

Re: #55

What pathological condition renders LLL's constitutionally incapable of assigning blame for terrorist atrocities to the terrorists who commit them?

LGF folks are the real source of terrorism, the reason Americans aren't safe around the world. The terrorists individually are evil bastards, but the only reason they have so many people willing to hide them and protect them is because of the arrogance and hate spewed by the rightwing fringe of America.

Query: If American Right Wingers cause terrorists to commit murder, then why did

1. Iranians take over the U.S. embassy during the Carter Administration? And back down the day Reagan took office?
2. the 93 WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, and the Cole bombing all take place during the Clinton Administration.
3. 9-11 was planned and its operatives laid in place before Bush's victory; would have gone down in a Gore Administration?

Can't let ugly facts intrude on their Blame America First fantasies. The long standing and seemingly incurable love affair between our enlightened peace loving progressive lefties and every murderous totalitarian dictatorship that has ever existed* must somehow be related to their allergy to facts, logic, and objective reality. Perhaps they dream of wielding total power so they can veto logic and reality in favor of their subjective emotional fantasies. Crude Ayn Randian idea that needs further fleshing out.

*they loved Hitler just fine as long as he played ball with their true love and fellow totalitarian, Stalin. They only turned against him when he caused a gang fight between totalitarians by invading the Soviet Union.
And once more for the visiting audience -- Hitler was a national socialist fascism = socialism

#65 Egfrow: Acck! Well of course terrorism is wrong, but... if people had to read some guy prattling on about bicycling, web-design, Macs and jazz... surely it would be understandable if desperation forced some to acts of legitimate resistance.

/Mmmm... sacrilicious!

Let me get this straight, LGF was responsible for this ? Right. As far as the number of Pali's killed in the "second Intifada," let's remember who started it. They are the terrorists, so there is no moral equilvalency. What else is new, it's all Israels fault, all the time. Blah, blah, blah.

/sarcasm

This Nathan Newman fella doesn't know what a fascist is. Fascist must be the most abused political term of insult around. Sadly, it refers to a real phenomenon, but the misuse - almost always by self-righteous lefties trying to avoid a merits argument - has rendered it practically useless as a word in political discourse. Sigh.

P.S. to #67

Efgrow #55,

On the off chance it needs to be said, as I am sure you realize, I am criticizing the Nathan Newman text you are quoting, not the actual content of your post, with which I am agreeing.

Moral equivalence has a new name: Al Sharpton

"How's that democracy in Iraq going, anyway?" says Nathan Newman. Isn't it clear by now we deposed a tyrant who has bullied his neighbors?

One of the internecine MEChA members, Tom Daschle criticizes Condie Rice. "I was wondering, has anyone who is less than several thousand miles away from Baghdad said anything about feeling threatened by Scud Missiles? 'Cos they don't go that far," he said. No, no, it is unthinkable to these hollow adulterers that American force is a force for good. The pro-elite bias in the media is pervasive.

We should invade the nuclear holy warriors's country, kill him and convert him to Judaism. Tony Blair, meanwhile, has been demonstrating common sense credibility.

#65 Egfrow

Were it not for the title of the next thread he posted the following day, that would be quite funny.

I remember being pretty fat, dumb and happy back then.

Now I'm less happy, and much better informed.

Two outta three aint' bad...

The terrorists individually are evil bastards, but the only reason they have so many people willing to hide them and protect them is because of the arrogance and hate spewed by the rightwing fringe of America.

The reason there are so many people willing to hide the terrorists is because:

1. They are afraid of them: Hope and pray that they won't come into your town. Bombs and suicide belts for the Jews so the Christians will be safe. Wait and see if Islamic extremists will actually react against hedonistic lifestyles after they have come into power. In the meantime, humor and cajole them into being your pals. Give them aid and comfort in their struggle.

2. They don't take their actions seriously - like this "progressive" Berkeley lawyer, like Sheryl Crowe, like Alanis Morissette .

The Ottawa-born singer disrobed to reveal a skin-coloured body suit with exaggerated nipples and cartoonish pubic hair.

So typically left. Never see the goal, react to the tangents.

BTW, DailyKOS is unavailable. Maybe it'll stay that way.

Newman's over the top, but his basic premise is not groundless. There are plenty of Muslim-haters here at LGF, and proud of it.

#75

Are you saying that you are a Muslim hater?

All muslims - or just the bad seeds?

Newman's over the top, but his basic premise is not groundless.

Why am I not surprised that you take Newman seriously?

#75

I guess your a muslim hater then. I think you would do better with Newman and his ilk.

Let's all hate the lefties, hate the Moslems, hate the peace demonstrating Israelis, hate the Women in Black, hate the Iraqui families raided in the middle of the night and the fathers never seen again, hate the Iraqui children killed by our cluster bombs, hate our former ally Saddam, hate Nathan Newman, let's see have I left out anythng?

#79 FratMan: Yeah, the terrorists. But I'm used to that from the likes of you.

Don't worry, we know it just "slipped your mind." No need to post the "Of course I meant to say..." reply.

FratMan, I have as much affection for Nathan Newman as he does for Jews. Go figure.

Newman's over the top, but his basic premise is not groundless. There are plenty of Muslim-haters here at LGF, and proud of it.

Yo Gordon you old skool Biatch!

Anyway, Newman's premise isn't that there are many Muslim haters on LGF.

I think this is just absurd? He is a evil person because he has two pictures next to each other, one of the war and the other of Kerry? Clearly, people are grasping for straws.

Why aren't you attacking this recent quote "Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States." I think that is far more unpatriotic than accidentally having 2 pictures next to each other.

INCOMING!

Rupert - He clearly is trying to associate John Kerry with that picture, you heathen. Don't try to get all "accidental" here, why else would he have done 2 edits to get it in place?

And if that is an actual quote (which I doubt), we should hold the author responsible (whoever he is, which you left out, faggot). Though I think you're just trolling with a quote that stupid.

Wanting to win the war = Hate Speech.

Got it.

I guess I'm trying to figure out what exactly people are objecting to with the picture of the Iraqi child with a head wound juxtaposed with the desecrated bodies of the four mercenaries. I think the argument that "a death is a death is a death" is facile, as is the suggestion that "people die in war, end of story." In this particular case, and of course it can be argued, I think the more tragic (if this is in fact measurable in a moral sense) of the two photos is of the child, my argument being that he was an innocent victim and the mercenaries weren't. the descretation of their bodies is a tragedy in and of itself, and is reflective of a much larger and painful reality, but these four people weren't innocent in the same sense as the child. These former U.S. special forces officers chose to go to Iraq, chose to put themselves in danger in a war zone for a lucrative paycheck, and as combat veterans they (one hopes) knew the risk they were putting themselves in. That doesn't excuse their treatment after death, which was horrific, or their death in and of itself, but these were soldiers in an increasingly hostile war zone and that's the reality of the situation, whether we like it or not.

#87 --- Finish this thought. "The intended effect of juxtaposing a picture of a dead child with that of the four murdered civilian contractors is..."

THRILL at the leaps of illogic! MARVEL at the stunning hatred of their own country! GASP as they remain impervious to common sense!

But for goodness sake, no matter what else you do, don't call them "unpatriotic."

I have read a lot of moronic rantings in my life. This site gathers them so nicely into one convenient sewer.

Raoul87# I can assure you if the wives,mothers,and children of those men had been with them they would not have been spared thst mob's bloodlust either.Those were horribly evil people that engaged in the most barbaric,depraved sort of behaviour imaginable.

Anne #91: The wives, mothers, embryos, potential children still in the sperm stage in Iraq and Afghanistan haven't been immune to our bloodlust either. And that's a silly statement to make, since it's a hypothetical that didn't occur.

#91 Anne--- Thanks, forgot about that part. To clarify things for the morally obtuse, the reaction of Americans to the accidental death of a child in war is 1.) Remorse that in war it is the innocent who suffer 2.) Running through the streets like apes on meth and hanging the body from the bridge.

Compare and contrast with the reaction to the deliberate targeting and murder of non-combatants by a thuggee mob.

my argument being that he was an innocent victim and the mercenaries weren't.

Oh, heavens, no! Mercs are not innocent. No, never. They only want money.

Al-Quida mercs fighting in Iraq are innocent, though. Of course - they are friends of Allah. They are servants of Saddam. Saddam good man. al-Sadr good man.

WTC victims bad. Steal from the poor. Blood for oil stooges. American merc bad. American GI filthy pig. They target innocents.

/moralrelativism off

In the comments a gentleman by the name of Mike
(no not me) is doing some excellent clue batting...

The man has amazed me with his ability to stay on track and not lose his temper in the face of cluelessness.

Mike7411

Of course, if it hadn't been for youi brave chickenhawks calling for war in Iraq from behind the safety of your computers, it wouldn't have been so easy for either Iraqi children or stupid American mercenaries to get killed there, would it?

Of course, without a coward's war, you wouldn't be roaming the internet from the anonymous safety of your computers, trying to insure political correctness, would you?

Stick that up your asses, you gutless wonders.

Wow, the trolls are in a foul mood today!

he's right, the right is responsible for Americans being hated all over the globe - even our allies in NATO don't want to help us in the mess we've created in Iraq and the people who are going to bear the brunt are brave American grunts who are in harms way for what?
No WMD's - no chemical weapons - our sec of state embarrassed himself and us presenting all those facts about Iraqi weapons program - My personal fave is the biological weapons vehicle that turned out to be a firetruck - and most important of all we haven't ended state terrorism (Iran Syria the Saudis) or terrorism against western targets -
there were other ways to defang Saddam who was only a threat to his own people, not us at all - to say we overestimated Saddam is an enormous understatement - he was writing a romance novel during the runup to the war - how delusional is that? - we spent billions of dollars to destroy the infrastructure that we're now going to help rebuild - it's called nationbuilding and it's fruity-ass and it's costing hundreds of billions of dollars while Americans can't afford health care or university tuition for their kids - this whole get the left for their sentiments towards this war, is a canard because it's no fun for the right to discuss how well things are going in Iraq 10 or so months after Bush declared victory -
It is a quagmire - and it's no fun for the left either, because the problems we've created (we are all in this together dittoheads - united we stand...), never mind the problems that already existed in the Islamic world, now seem even more difficult to solve, and like most on the right, we don't see failure or pulling out as an option

Rant, rant, rant! Rant away, little Morlocks. Let everyone see you, naked and unashamed of your stupidity.

#85 - Model T, you should dust off your google before spouting. It's off topic, but the quote is from Biggus Dickus Cheney himself. NYT story here
Kerry, by the way, opposed Cheney on this one.
"Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States."

On topic, the level of discourse here among you America haters is just astounding.

YOU PEOPLE SUCK!! IF YOU BELIEVE WE WILL NOT GO AFTER YOU AND ARE NOT READY FOR MUTUAL ASSURED DISTRUCTION YOU HAVE US MISTAKEN FOR SOMEONE ELSE. "LET THE GAMES BEGIN"!!

Hey, Patti, that was great! For a second I really believed you were a complete lunatic!

What? You weren't kidding?

he was writing a romance novel during the runup to the war

I suppose that next you're gonna tell us Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

Ha!

Nathan Newman is in the Referrers. Need I say more ...

#85 Model T, you listen up now to #100 crockmeister. I think you've got a lot of fiction to rid yourself of.

#104 zulubaby, sure sucks when they fight back, eh?

Oooh! The left is fighting back! The leeefft! I'm so scared!

I went over there, and skimmed through the spewings. Left my 0.02 worth. Americans ain't like rugs, just roll up.

Wow, the trolls are in a foul mood today!

Actually, they're in a foul mood everyday --- usually, because that wage slave whore at Starbucks made them wait five minutes for their double latte, or the capitalist-tool assistant manager at Kinko's told them if they were late again, they'd be fired, and or their roommate left them with nothing but stems and seeds
--- or some other such horror.

They're full of hatred and bile everyday, they're just focused on us today.

to... #98 (DnC)

You’re wrong on so many counts that it seems pointless to snipe issue by issue. Suffice it to say that your's is a myopic assessment of an emerging threat that scarcely begins to comprehend the nature of that threat, much less demonstrates any ability to develop a comprehesive vision to mitigate it.

But do let’s begin with the nature of your primary assertion. America is hated! To be hated by ‘the Globe’ is a rather broad assertion that I’m sure you wouldn’t dare be so bold or foolish as to support. But, let us assume that even a majority of people in the world (Read: Leaders) ‘hate’ the U.S. I suggest that is valid to take a good look at the character of said leaders, and their affiliations and motivations. In the case of Chirac, for example, it is increasingly clear that his loyalties are bought and sold for the price of blood and oil… Iraqi blood converted to the graft of French oil Companies, not American. Is this the type of person from which you wish to solicit admiration? Understanding the nature of his fetid character, of what value is his admiration, or that of the people he represents (Read: The French) Of what value are they to you?....and for what purpose?...if only to grease the hand of your own egotistical masturbations.

In the case of WMD… the arguments have been made from both sides to an exhaustive degree and to no further value, except with respect to the fact that now we know Saddam no longer has any such weapons, never again will he deploy such weapons, the WMD that were found in Libya will never be deployed nor distributed, and with an American firebase in the midst of the hornet’s nest that is the Middle East, no nation to whom WMD were spirited will dare ever use them for fear of immediate reprisal, nor will Iran make any aggressive move without severe reservations. The Grunts understand this all to well. Most Americans understand this all to well. Anti's, like yourself, concerned with environmental protocols, abortion rights, gun control, and same-sex marriage leave little time to actually comprehend the nature of existence; the fragility of freedom; the manifest obligation of federal authority; the murder of thousands; ten years of ongoing attacks; and the threat posed by the unanswered obstinance of a rogue tyrant with a history of aggression, an undetermined arsenal, with one of the world’s largest and most well-equipped standing armies, and an undisputed history of terrorist affiliations… all in the face of an enemy that preys on weakness. No… to say you don’t understand would be a profound understatement to be sure.

There is no quagmire. We are involved in a war for our survival. Most understand this and many more are coming to that realization. The first battle has established a foothold in the heart of the enemy with access to every border. The firebase was secured with the President’s declaration of “ …an end to major combat operations in Iraq.” Translation: The Army of Iraq was utterly annihilated. ‘Victory’ was not declared (as you falsely stated) because the war has only begun. It’s going to take a long time, with some setbacks and many more tactical victories.

The only thing ‘mired’ is your sensibilities… so ‘mired’ in hate that you dare even lend this reality the remotest consideration.

No! …No, I don’t mind at all when you trolls fight back. By all means continue to present us with the ignorance of your arguments… and the impotence of your nature.

@43 Yair
Oh some of us are just lurking about for a rainy afternoon.

I can feel my cock swelling with every uptick of rage.

Pretty soon I am going to spoo in your fucking eye.

Charles

You've got a real infestation going on now!

While you bloggers are busy fighting with each other over the mercenary deaths, the images like the one above are being shown on Al Jazeera all over the Arab world.

No matter how much spin you put on events over there (whichever side you're on) just remember that people in the middle east are being told a competely different (and certainly less flattering) story about the US occupation of Iraq. And illustrating their story are images of dead children with the top of their heads blown off.

And neither you nor Newman nor Kos nor can do a damn thing about it.

Have you given that any thought?

Really, it's quite wonderful to see the people on the left utterly dishonoring themselves with these bizarre psychosexual rants. Keep it up, lefties!

Why give thought to something I can't do a damned thing about. Seems like a waste of time to me.

"Telefunken" writes:

No matter how much spin you put on events over there (whichever side you're on) just remember that people in the middle east are being told a competely different (and certainly less flattering) story about the US occupation of Iraq. And illustrating their story are images of dead children with the top of their heads blown off.

And neither you nor Newman nor Kos nor can do a damn thing about it.

Have you given that any thought?

Oh no, not me. I never think about that at all.

This is only post #10,517, after all. Guess I'd better start paying attention to that.

Thanks, trolls, for the cheap laughs today (although Charles must be getting a headache).

Charles;

If there's something in your 10,000+ posts on this subject I'd appreciate hearing what it is.

Telefunken: you must be new here.

How sad this site has become. As far as I'm concerned, nathan Newman is right about about this site on how you 'regulars' have become what you hated : one dimensional haters. except you hate arabs and liberals (or anything libertine). - whie I agree with Charles that Newman's site is ridicilous for showing dead people on his site and trying to attribute it to "the right" or Bush he's too close to being right about LGF its sad. Is there a shread of reason in any of you? Even Charles has stuped to responding like a child to the idiots. and his blog has been getting more and more licking bush's ass since 9/11.
But go on hailing Bush. I stopped supporting him upon returning to this country. because when he's talking about protecting america he's not talking about protecting me or any American i know. he's talking about all you mid-Westerners that go to church on sunday and have 2.5 kids. While there is nothing wrong with that demographic- its only one demographic in a nation of many. You want to know why people hate Bush and the right wing? Because Bush and the right wing hate them. I'm not trying to write a poem here - I think if you think about it -you'll find that its true.

Jack Frost -- it's spring already. Go away.

#121 Jack Frost

I'm not a Midwesterner. I don't have 2.5 kids. I don't go to church every (or any) Sunday.

When I don't vote Democratic come November, will I be deluding myself?

"Thanks to the LGF nuts for helping breed murder of our soldiers and our friends and family here in New York."

Um.. We are your fucking soldiers.. We are the one's that realize, sitting back "Hoping" that they'll leave us alone, doesn't work. We've been there and seen it first hand. What the hell have you done in your life?

Cry? Roll around on the ground in protest? *Give Peace a Chaaaaance!* Bah, doesn't work. We're helping to save ourselves, but we're starting to get tired of protecting your ass.

Andy

This Nathan dude is erasing posts without any explanation.

#121

You're such a bigot.

Why can't Nathan Newman be allowed to link to LGF sites so that people can travel to them from his blog and see what is written there?

I don't know, has the war in Iraq actually made America a safer country, less vulnerable to threat, with less enemies? Saddam Hussein was not involved in Al Qaeda. There were no WMD. Ariel Sharon now has carte blanche to practice his own brand of genocide in Gaza. And what about Afghanistan, back in the hands of the war lords? None of this makes sense to me, and how any of these scenarios are defensible is beyond me. I am not trolling,I am just genuinely confused.
Clearly, pulling out of Iraq is not an option. but returning to the UN to try for a genuine coalition is. Why isn't this happening? Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

#127 bobhope

A lot of questions, some seem to be very leading. I hope you take time to answer some of mine.

Saddam not involved with al Qaeda?

Richard Clarke said so. The government of the Czech Republic said so. Others say so. Many choose not to believe these sources. Didn't Saddam support and aid terrorists? If so, why not al Qaeda?

This is the war on terror - not the war on al Qaeda. Do you believe that there is a War on Terror or should be?

There were no WMD?

Really? Did Iraq fully live up to all of the UNSC resolutions? Why did all of the major intelligence agencies say there were WMD? When did Iraq eliminate their WMD - and the programs? Why did Iraq have so many tons of castor beans - well above any civilian use - and a program on ricin? What about the reports of WMD being smuggled to Syria? How hard is it to hide a dozen or so shipping containers in a country the size of Iraq - particularly if the military would bury MiG25's to keep for a "rainy day" or try to hide them from the coalition?

Sharon has carte blanche to commit genocide in Gaza?

On what basis is this claim? Why hasn't it happened yet?

Is Afghanistan back in the hands of the war lords? It still has a central government and is moving closer to democracy. Yes there are tribal areas where alliances may be more to the tribal leaders than the central government - but then Pakistan has the same issue. The majority of the people in Afghanistan have more rights and freedoms today than under the Taliban- and Afghanistan is no longer a puppet of the ISI or Bin Laden. Is that a success or failure?

Define for me a what makes a successful coalition? How many nations? Do France, Germany, Russia need to be participants? Where has the UN been successful in peacekeeping / nation building? Does the corruption between Iraq, the UN, and several major nations that opposed the military action against Iraq calculate into your computations?

What would make America safer? Staying on the defensive and try to protect against another major attack - or using a good offense as the cornerstone for the defence?

What is your viewpoint of Spain's actions before and after the Madrid attack?

When you ask yourself if America has fewer enemies than before - are you sure you can name all of America's enemies? One can make a strong case that there are 2 less today than 3 years ago. Were any added in that same time frame? Are you sure they were added post 9/11 (or is all of this the typical rant about all of that goodwill lost in the days after 9/11?)

121 Jack "I can't tell the truth" Frost

Was everyone in the WTC towers a Republican Midwesterner with 2.5 kids?

No gays? No liberal Democrats? No blacks or Hispanics?No Muslims?

Idiot.

If you want to know where Mr. Newman stands on Iraq, just take a look at this post dated December 7, 2003:

Denying Medals to Coverup Casualties

Bush really does hate soldiers. Not only is he endangering their lives, but when they get hurt or killed, he's denying them medals in order to keep the official combat casualty numbers low: [...]

Athos,

Nice answer in 128.
Has the makings of a new updated "memo"

The new version needs to address, as yours does:

"squandering goodwill" -- the second we shunned victimhood and started hitting back. while the support for Afghanistan was greater than Iraq, the record reflects a lot of doom and gloom/naysaying/quagmire talk.

"unilateral"
"no evidence of Al Qaeda connection"
"Bush lied about WMD" then so did Hans Blix, John Kerry and France

Here's the new trope warming up in the bullpen courtesy of Sen. Corzine D-NJ on Greta van Susteren last night:

Iraq, as a result of our invasion, is becoming what we said it was prior to it, namely, a cauldron of terrorism"

Too much b.s. to refute right now.

etc etc ad nauseam.

scumbag you that is