savages...

"In support of Iraq" -- that is just so rich.

The United States and her allies are trying to give Iraq freedom, democracy, and economic opportunity, and we have liberated that country from one of the world's most brutal dictators...and the Palestinians think that siding with people who want to wreck all of that is someone "supporting Iraq"

Not surprised, just disgusted, as usual.

But we just have to understand their feeelings, and their grieeevances and get to the root caaauuuses ...

/brainless leftie

As they sing, 'We have no clits for America.'

Lovely people.
Remind me to have them over for tea some time.

what war crimes are they talking about? Trying to provide the Iraqis with freedom?

"...what they called US ‘war crimes’ in Iraq..."

Very out of character for AFP to make such a distinction.

AFP, the French press agency, sure has an illuminating definition of what "support of Iraq" means.

Maybe this is the backlash those autocrats were talking about.

3 Thom

Excellent satire of the Rachel Corrie types.

How about this for balance:

There's only one way to deal with these people and that's to bomb the shit out of them. Kill enough of them and they'll come to their senses.

/brainless rightie

It seems to me that liberty and democracy are inimical to these people, being bred on the ROV... excuse me - I meant ROP. Please don't call the PC police on me. A religion born and transmitted by the sword which encourages martyrdom in the form of slaughtering innocents. Hmmm. Who would've guessed that they aren't in love with the peaceful nations of the world?

Someone remind me why we’re supposed to be sympathetic to these people.

Because the Palestinians have sufferedso much of the tyranny brought on by Americans and their evil partners in crime...Israel. Yes I admit it, I support the conspiracy , more money for arms in Israel, more tanks, more smart bombs...more, more, more...(evil laugh)

HEEEY!! When did Michael Palin become an ISM tool? (man in kiffeyah under the Pali flag on the left)

I propose sending 1000 American Flag Fleece Pullovers (from Old Navy) to the Palis. Then, they can light each other on fire. Hey, at least this way they won't take out any innocent people.

BTW - Thom, how the hell are ya?
I've been extremely busy lately (that evil George Bush has caused an economic upturn with his tax cuts. Now I have to spend even more time at work instead of loafing around and thinking up useless crap).

Like this story, for example.

:P

'Coop

It's just a ladies group. They probably just sit around most of the time talking about things like how to make their sack look sexy, their favorite recipes (like BBQ flag), and brag to each other about their exploding children.

Yes, but they're only going to sort of let Hamas join the PA, so what's the problem?

Why are they so angry with the US and our "war crimes"...

when the REAL problem is the Jooos?

Click on this link. Scroll to the "Rachel Corrie Jokes" forum and add your favorite Rachel Corrie joke.

[Link: www.guerrillanews.com...]

Okay, can we now stop giving the PA money?

This isn't a protest, it's a Rachel Corrie adult education seminar for women. See, the one in the middle has a question.

oh, that's just a few extremists. Don't be a racist.

We'll give 'em a state - a state of unconsciousness!

/Anthrax

Whoever exports US flags to the ME should really figure out how to put some flame accelerant into them -or detonator cord!

ulululululululululululululululululululul!

a state by all means, "The Palestinian Nation, 5004 or Bust!!!"

Reminds me that any, asbolutely ANY, arab could make millions if it occurred to him to open a U.S. flag factory in that part of the world.

It is just because the US supports the evil occupation Nazi genocide apartheid sons of apes and pigs that we protest against the US. Once you see the world the way the rest of the "international community" does, and stop supporting the Jews' right to live, we will stop burning American flags and killing your diplomats.

/ moderate Palestinian

I just realized something, the "root cause" of terrorism is idiots like this. Really, no Nobel Prize necessary. What's that expression, "splodeydopes"? They would be the splodeydope factories.

Charles, you are such a racist. Stop crushing their right to dissent. Don't you know the Billo'Rights protects their right to burn the flag?

slash

Well of course they are unhappy, and show it by burning an American flag to prove it. I mean after all you party poopers we did send our sons and daughters over there to mess up their fat green dollah handouts from Saddam.

Where's V the K? I would love to read his captions for this photo. I've never done photo captions here before, so I am sort of a virgin. I think it is time to pop that cherry.

1. Kumbya, Kumbya. Hey Alia, quit bogarting the smores.

2. Trying to keep warm, Smegma burns the last piece of cloth she has.

3. Photo-op is over, Time to get back to work at the ministry of cultural understanding.

4. Hyman deficiency is causing women all over the middle east to suddenly combust.

(I miss V the K)

Sorry, but a good OT: Belmont Club's take on al-Sadr. Oozing with derision.

#13 RoP really chappin' my hide

LOL, now that you mention it, all of those "women" look like monte python trupe dressed up in thier pepper pot lady outfits. RMMMRRMMM, I don't like spam!

Israel is so mean to those nice Palestinians, minding their own business and growing olives and all.

Did these totally moderne women get their understanding and tolerent husbands' permission to go out of the house and take part in this demonstration? Hmmm? I mean it's not like they are able to make any decisions of any significance on their own without the supreme blessing of their masters, er, I mean husbands.

Don't beleive anything you read on this racist, right-wing link. It's all blown out of proportion and taken out of context. For example, when President Arafat calls for the Iraqi people to defeat the occupying American military, you Westerners automatically believe he wants the Iraqi people to defeat the occupying American military. Racists! Stop making such asinine assumptions.

President Arafat loves President Bush. He can't help it that the PA's completely free and independent media sometimes calls him a "Nazi" and hopes that "Iraq will be a graveyard of American soldiers."

#13 RoP chap

Good catch with that! I guess he's really hard up for gigs nowadays ...
:-)

Those don't look like Sadaam era Iraqi flags. They're waving pre/post Sadaam flags and protesting the people who removed Sadaam.

Protesters (high pitched) - Death to America! Kill all the jooos!!

PA - Are you sure there aren't any women out of doors?

Protesters - No! No! ahem - NO! NO!

We've seen this sort of thing before and it's not for us solve. Leave that to the good people at Caterpiller.

"Remind me please why we are supposed to give them a state . . . "

Why?

Because George W. Bush discovered that it was "A LONG-STANDING VISION OF U.S. POLICY" -- that's why.

(A long-standing vision that had been explicitly denied by previous presidents, including George H.W. Bush, Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Reagen, even Gerald Ford.)

Bush had not given up on his precious roadmap to the "two state solution". (Not even good arithmetic. Jordan was carved out of Mandate Palestine, so the roadmap leads to three states; two for the Arabs, a tiny vulnerable sliver for the Jews.)

But Bush surely can be taken as the infallible authority -- after all he is the one who coined the "Islam Is Peace" byword that is quoted so often and so reverently (?) hereabouts.

#41 Jabberwock:

I wouldn't be too concerned about the GWB's "Islam Is Peace" bit. It's kinda like saying "Here, kitty, kitty. Good kitty!" while holding a really big stick behind yer back.

The soul of a people is in its women.

'nuff said.

Can't they just drink cosmos and watch "Sex and the City" instead? Or perhaps a knitting club? Such aspirations these women have...

Well, I give them this much; it appears to be a real flag this time, not something handpainted on a sheet. Iraqi flags are real too.

@42 BH

*LOL

I really 'admire; these 'independent' women who have initiative to go out and 'demonstrate' their 'democractic' ideas.

And look how they sacrifice for Arafat and his woman, as they pile up millions for her shopping sprees in Paris.

Muslim woman attacked at a Tampa mall

The owner of a jewelry kiosk at a mall in Tampa, who wears an Islamic head scarf, said she was physically and verbally assaulted by three people who told her to "get out of (America)" and said her religion is "hateful and violent."

Reminds me that any, asbolutely ANY, arab could make millions if it occurred to him to open a U.S. flag factory in that part of the world.

You wanna swap some stock for my export biz of picnic table cloths to their fine menswear stores?

OT

I hope you're all watching Rumsfeld speak.

He's giving Jaime whatshisname, the listen you little fucker treatment!

Classic Aristotle!

It is what it is, buddy!!

Jabberwock #41

Not even good arithmetic. Jordan was carved out of Mandate Palestine, so the roadmap leads to three states; two for the Arabs, a tiny vulnerable sliver for the Jews.

And after about 40 years or so when people forget, perhaps Israel will be asked to split again for the Israeli Arabs to have a state.

Hope the flag was made in China.

Would have been better if they had bomb vests on. Fire and explosives.

OT: A great article on the world's fear of Muslim anger from mediabackspin (HonestReporting's blog).

There's another fantastic post at A Small Victory right now, doing some very useful comparing and contrasting. Required reading.

[Link: asmallvictory.net...]

She Bang. She bang?

I don't think so.

#48 Lively

So...did she leave?

Someone just tell them it's a Jihad against Saddam or something and shut them up.

Palestinian chicks are hot!

Way OT - After sex with sheep, don't kill the animal!

OT - Papa Mahmoud, why do we hate the Jewish people?

Well, lil' Sadiq, that's easy. Let's turn to the peaceful and holy Q'uran.

The Bad Traits of the Jews Outweigh Their One Good Trait

Sheikh Saqr lists one positive trait of the Jews(3), and then 20 bad traits: fabricating; listening to lies; disputing and quarreling; hiding the truth and supporting deception; rebelling against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance; hypocrisy; wishing evil on people; feeling pain at others' happiness and feeling happiness at others' afflictions; rudeness and vulgarity; murder of innocents; mercilessness and heartlessness; breaking promises; cowardice; and miserliness.

Awww, the Q'uran. AKA The Idiots Guide to Being a Complete Fuc*wad.

OT: An article in today's Slate that whitewashes Wahabism. It's a seemingly impossible task, but this ridiculous and unintentionally hilarious piece twists itself into a pretzel trying to excuse this toxic belief system. (Any time I read something like this, I immediately suspect that the writer is on the Saudi payroll. But that's just suspicious old me.)

#56 Loyd Dobbler:

So...did she leave?

No, she went and told CAIR, who in turn will huff and puff and blow the mall down.

#60 RWC:

Sheikh Saqr lists one positive trait of the Jews(3), and then 20 bad traits: fabricating; listening to lies; disputing and quarreling; hiding the truth and supporting deception; rebelling against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance; hypocrisy; wishing evil on people; feeling pain at others' happiness and feeling happiness at others' afflictions; rudeness and vulgarity; murder of innocents; mercilessness and heartlessness; breaking promises; cowardice; and miserliness.

Sounds like your basic Muslim to-do list.

#62 Lively

That makes sense. Although, we shouldn't bad mouth CAIR, somebody has to pay for all those cool Hamas sweatbands.

So many skulls to blow the top off of, so little time . . .

Sandy P.

I hope the flag was made and given away by Palestinians.

Mom, where's the material we were going to use for our clothes?

Honey, remember that american flag we made and gave away?

Charles, this is "inflammatory" hate speech! Why are you posting these?

Racism!

Another OT, but hits the nail on the head:

Analysis: A mini-Tet offensive in Iraq?

Iraq will only be another Vietnam if the home front collapses, as it did following the Tet offensive, which began on the eve of the Chinese New Year, Jan. 31, 1968. The surprise attack was designed to overwhelm some 70 cities and towns, and 30 other strategic objectives simultaneously. By breaking a previously agreed truce for Tet festivities, master strategist Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap in Hanoi calculated that South Vietnamese troops would be caught with defenses down.

After the first few hours of panic, the South Vietnamese troops reacted fiercely. They did the bulk of the fighting and took some 6,000 casualties. Vietcong units not only did not reach a single one of their objectives -- except when they arrived by taxi at the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, blew their way through the wall into the compound and guns blazing made it into the lobby before they were wiped out by U.S. Marines -- but they lost some 50,000 killed and at least that many wounded.

...

America lost the war, concluded Bui Tin, "because of its democracy. Through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Kennedy should remember that Vietnam was the war of his brother who saw the conflict in the larger framework of the Cold War and Nikita Khrushchev's threats against West Berlin. It would behoove Kennedy to see Iraq in the larger context of the struggle to bring democracy, not only to Iraq, but the entire Middle East.

Don't miss Dennis Prager on the Palestinian Christian suicide bombers:
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Lively (#48)

Assuming the woman is telling the truth and it's not a case of somebody looked at her funny and CAIR screaming blue murder, it's pretty disgusting. She's selling jewelry at a kiosk, for G-dsakes!

#70 zulubaby

Yes, but have you seen their prices?

LOL!

Why not give them a state?

They gave one to the Jews, then they'll give one to anybody!

#22 BH

retribution, constitution, no solution
(or something like that)

#73 jewfro

Waiting for the tag. . . .

#74 leggy mountbatten

Isn't that a verse from the Police's "Spirits in the Material World"?

OT -- What's with this? Why is he allowed to rep these?

Headline:
U.S. Court Rules Against PLO and P.A.

...The PLO and the Palestinian Authority, on the other hand, were represented by former US Attorney-General Ramsey Clark

Israel National News

#72 zulubaby

Westshore is an upscale mall. If this story is true, I hope they catch the morons that would hurt a woman. This is not the way Americans should act.

I checked local newspaper online sites and this incident is not even mentioned on either the St. Pete Times or the Tampa Tribune site.

Anthrax - Keep it in the Family (but it does sound like a passage from the Police song)

Oh come now, people, I SUPPORT giving the Palis a state. My idea is to have Israel annex the WB, but carve out a one acre site around Arafat's rubble pile in Ramallah and give them THAT for their state! Sort of like Vatican City.

Pali Splodeydopes volunteer to detonate for al Sadr

Some 25 Palestinian fighters volunteered as suicide bombers against American troops, Sa'id Amr al-Husseini, one of Sadr's leading lieutenants said Wednesday at the headquarters of the Mahdi Army in Sadr City, Baghdad's largest Shi'ite neighborhood.

"Yesterday the Palestinians came to these headquarters and expressed their desire to be martyrs, ready for sacrifice at the order of the Hawza," Husseini said.

The Hawza is Iraq's leading Shi'ite clerical order, believed to wield immense power among Shi'ites.

The Mahdi Army's claim could not be independently confirmed, though Sunni leaders are increasingly willing to share in the "glory of jihad with the Shi'ites," said Abd Satar Jabani, imam of Baghdad's largest Wahhabi mosque on Tuesday.

I miss the good old days when the Wahhabis would blow up Shia mosques during religious "festivals".

Some 25 Palestinian fighters volunteered as suicide bombers ...

Even when the Palestinians openly admit to being terrorists the media still softens it by referring to them as "fighters".

Let's continue to push for a state for these terrorist supporting people. Let's continue to give them hundreds of millions of dollars each year, and let's continue to recognize the Palestinian Authority not as an terrorist enemy.

If anyone is wondering, you can give your regards to the Palestinian Authority terrorist regime by going to its diplomatic offices in Washington DC.

Someone remind me why we’re supposed to be sympathetic to these people.

Potential barbecueing skills?

/ sarcasm OFF

#78 BIG - How did you know it was Westshore? I didn't see the mall named in Lively's link.

Just where were you when this was going on?
/kidding.
I kid. I'm a kidder.

#85 Renna-the-kidder :)

The Florida Office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has asked authorities to investigate the alleged assault on the Muslim woman at the Westshore Mall as a hate crime.

Thanks, Lively. I read that story four times looking for the name. Missed it, obviously.

Lively
Do you think this will have a negetive effect on retired jew/retired muslim relations in Florida? We certainly don't want to see any Rascal bombings.

Let's not judge them too harshly. Without Americans and Jews to hate, without Old Glory and the flag of Israel to stomp and burn...why these beasts would have no reason to exist. Their self image would plummet and their "society" would collapse.

It falls on us to provide the daughters of apes an avenue for creative self expression.

No?

#69 Cris

Did somebody mention Palestinian Christian suicide bombers?

Well, there are some who would cheer terrorists on their way.

While the Arab world is queueing to see Mel Gibson's film, because, they say, it show what Jews did to Jesus, Al Jazeera writes an admiring article about a Good Friday greeting card.

As part of an international campaign to remember Deir Yassin, Khalil Bendib, the most visible Arab-American artist working today in the United States designed the “Jesus’s Broken Heart” graphic which was mailed to every Bishop, Archbishop and Social Responsibility Officer for every Christian denomination in the United Kingdom. Over 10,000 copies have been distributed...

...The text on the card points out the irony that Deir Yassin, the site of the most important event in modern Palestinian history stands unnamed and unmarked in clear sight of Yad Vashem, the most famous Holocaust memorial in the world, which calls us “To Never Forget.”

You can see the card on this site.

It shows Jesus on the cross, looking away from Yad Vashem to shed tears over Deir Yassin instead.

#90 RC

(quoting):

As part of an international campaign to remember Deir Yassin, Khalil Bendib, the most visible Arab-American artist working today in the United States designed the “Jesus’s Broken Heart” graphic which was mailed to every Bishop, Archbishop and Social Responsibility Officer for every Christian denomination in the United Kingdom.

Notice he sent it to the country whose clergy would bethe most sympathetic.

Yeah, we know how much the Palestinian Muslims care for Christians and their holy sites.

73 jewfro FOAD

to #81 Ed Moran:Abu Swiper No Swiping! Oh Man!
Maybe the IDF undercover should recruit them and ship them to Iran, along with about another 50K splodeys dopes. they're too stupid to notice the difference

#91 logger phd

Yeah, we know how much the Palestinian Muslims care for Christians and their holy sites.

And the Palestinian Christians, more than anyone, should know about that - yet they continue to support organisations like this one: Sabeel.

Look at the list on the right - some familiar names there.

The Good Friday card was circulated in Britain by Friends of Sabeel UK - or FOSUK, as they call themselves.

#94 RC

From your link:

Sabeel is an ecumenical grassroots liberation movement among Palestinian Christians. It's an ecumenical center for Palestinian Liberation Theology which seeks to make the Gospel contextually relevant. In Arabic Sabeel means 'The Way' and also a 'Spring of Water'. Sabeel strives to develop a spirituality based on justice, peace, nonviolence, liberation and reconciliation for the different national and faith communities. Sabeel also works to promote a more accurate international awareness regarding the identity, presence, and witness of Palestinian Christians.

The bolded terms are "red flag" words that max out my bullshitometer. Any orthodox Christian, upon hearing most of those words starts to glaze over, but the Anglicans in the UK lap it up.

My only take must be that most of the remaining Christians in Palestine must be dhimmis.

This subhuman scum have a state of their own. It's called Jordan. They should go and live there away from civilised Jews.

#139 AB 4/7/2004 03:41PM PST

I personally think Israel (for religious reasons) is going pretty easy on Palestinians.

The things Muslims are doing to dead bodies, the way they cheer and approve and encourage killing civilians, the lack of concern for the "holy land", the blood lust, the self victimization, the religious chants for death, the statements of approval for every infidel's death, etc... are part of the Palestinians way in war.

It would also help to realise whose intifada this is. Everytime average street Palestinians get violent, they blame the Jews for their own bahaviour. Are Palestinians supposed to be incapible of thinking or controlling their own actions ON THE STEET? If an Israeli axed someone to death, his actions would be his own fault. Of course, "Jews" and "Christians" don't do this like the Palestinians did last week. Israel makes sure its citizens don't get out of control, and will even arrest Israelis for entering the wrong area.

Maybe if Islamic leaders discouraged violence, we'd see less of it from the Palestinians. Don't they have their own brain when someone tells them "killing infidels is the obligation of every good Muslim".
I will not stand for a religion to be used as an excuse for war.
The Palestinians have yet to prove themselves as tolerant, peaceful or civilized even when Israel was tricked into giving them everything they wanted including land and guns. What rights should such a people have just because 60 years ago their great grandparents decided to immigrate to where the Jews were, and then allowed their neighbours to destroy Israel (a home to refugees from Europe and Jews in the Arab world equally). Palestinians have nothing to contribute to society except "jihad".
They only destroy, and I have no idea how some people get the idea that they are "equal" to Israelis. With Israel's aid to 142 countries, with Israeli's desaltation plants distributed worldwide, with Israel's doctors treating everyone, even Palestinian terrorists, with Israel's medical and technology contributions, with Israel's agricultural technologies being used in the Middle East and Africa, with Israel's amazing Universities and education, with Israel's environmentally friendly energy technologies, the Palestinians don't even compare, and can hardly be called "equal". Palestinians have proven themselves to be simply "humans" and NOTHING more when compared to the rest of the civilized world.

#95 logger phd

The bolded terms are "red flag" words that max out my bullshitometer.

Perhaps they have the same effect on the Pope's bullshitometer. I read somewhere (but can't track it down) that when he went to Israel, he refused to visit Sabeel. If someone who meets with Arafat refuses to meet with the folks at Sabeel, what is he telling us?!

we should give Palestinians a state..no no..tha JEWS should give them their state BACK considering you stole it from them..and yea stop building a fence ten yards into their land

I'm sorry, but it just really chaps my hide when I see the symbol of America being treated like this!

-Deez

#99 Rachel Corrie's Ghost

What, pray tell, was the name of that state that "tha JEWS" "stole" from the Palestinians?

#99 St. Pancake's Ghost

"tha JEWS should give them their state BACK considering you stole it from them"

Err, actually, I'm sixth generation Canadian. I've got one great-uncle buried in Arras (as in Arras, FRANCE-don't get me started on the Great War) and my other great-uncle won the MC driving the Nazis out of Sicily.

So how, exactly, did "I" steal the paleos' state??? FOAD

I'm with #96 TM.

Earl
"Ich bin ein Israeli"

Palestinian demonstrators burn the US flag as they hold up the Iraqi national flag, during an all women’s protest in support of Iraq in Gaza City. Scores of Palestinian women protested against what they called US ‘war crimes’ in Iraq as the hardline Islamic Jihad movement hailed the ‘new intifada’ against the US-led occupation.(AFP/Mohammed Abed)

I guess this means they will be arming their kids with bombs and sending them all over the neighborhood? Geez what a bunch of nut cases.

#99 jemile 4/7/2004 04:16PM PST

There was never in the history of time a state called Palestine. So what state do you want them to "give back". There has been an Israel state though.

Why dont we move them to Germany, they would fit in perfectly with the other Euroarabians!

We can destroy them (in kind)with steel and bombs. That's the easy way. But to truly defeat their evil, we must use the one weapon that the muslim devils don't understand, to wit:

Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life

Only the power of Jesus can ever truly save these savage heathens.

Repent mohammedans, Come to Jesus and be saved.

Or the Marines will send you straight to hell.

Thank You Belmont Club

Belmont Club.blogspot

So tell me, Turner 88 - you worthless piece of shit subhuman slime...

"Bruder Schweigen"

That must be your favorite Google search term, right?

Charles, I hope you get this guy's IP. His daddy probably machine-gunned Alan Berg to death.

Filthy scum.

Nice work, Charles!

What is has been before
99 jemile 4/7/2004 04:16PM PST

we should give Palestinians a state..no no..tha JEWS should give them their state BACK considering you stole it from them..and yea stop building a fence ten yards into their land

11 Also our enemies said, "Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work."
12 Then the Jews who lived near them came and told us ten times over, "Wherever you turn, they will attack us."
13 Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by families, with their swords, spears and bows. 14 After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, "Don't be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes."
15 When our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot and that God had frustrated it, we all returned to the wall, each to his own work.
16 From that day on, half of my men did the work, while the other half were equipped with spears, shields, bows and armor. The officers posted themselves behind all the people of Judah
17 who were building the wall. Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in the other,
18 and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked. But the man who sounded the trumpet stayed with me.
19 Then I said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, "The work is extensive and spread out, and we are widely separated from each other along the wall.
20 Wherever you hear the sound of the trumpet, join us there. Our God will fight for us!"
21 So we continued the work with half the men holding spears, from the first light of dawn till the stars came out.
Nehemiah 4: 1-21

99

Just in case you do not understand This isn't a new thing Israel is doing. Israel's been here before and they know what to do and how to get it done.

The mistakenly-called "Palestinian" arabs, mostly squatters from Egypt (like arafart) or Syria are expert at stealing... But this time they won't steal the state of the Jews... I won't object if Tsahal send all of them to their raisins in the sky!

As bad as the Palestinians act, I still want them to have a state. However, in order for that to happen...the targeted assassinations of these terrorist leaders has to continue by Israel. Only then can Israel finally dissolve these institutions of evil that indoctrinate the Palestinians with such venomous hatred. The Palestinian government has proven time and time again that they are either unwilling (due to their support of these groups) or unable to do this task. The quicker we carry out this initiative, the quicker we can deprogram them and reach some sort of solution.

responding to message 98...

RC neo-Jew,

...I read somewhere (but can't track it down) that when he went to Israel, he refused to visit Sabeel. If someone who meets with Arafat refuses to meet with the folks at Sabeel, what is he telling us?! Bat Yeor may have the answer you seek:

...Dhimmi collaboration on the theological level is oriented in two directions: toward Christianity and toward Islam. It finds its most radical expression in the "Palestinian Liberation Theology," meaning nothing less than the liberation of Christianity from its Jewish matrix. The spiritual center of this theology is the al-Liqa institute in Jerusalem, created in 1983 for the study of the Muslim and Christian heritage in the Holy Land. This strongly politicized institute, sponsored by international Christian organizations, specializes in disseminating anti-Israeli propaganda through its international religious and media channels.

Uniting Marcionist and Gnostic theological currents, this Palestinian theology strips away Jesus's Jewishness and turns him into a sui generis Arab-Palestinian Jesus, a twin of the Muslim Jesus (Isa). Christianity, thus liberated from its Jewish roots, can be transplanted in Arab-Islamism. This would place Palestine, and not Israel, at the origin of Christianity, making Israelis usurpers of the Islamic-Christian Palestinian homeland. This theory denies the historical continuity between modern Israel and its biblical ancestor, the locus of nascent Christianity.

The theology of Palestinism, integrating all the anti-Jewish themes of replacement theology, is reworked to fit the new Palestinian fashion and addressed to Christians all over the world, inviting them to gather together around an Arab-Palestinian Jesus, symbol of a Palestine crucified by Israel. The theme goes back to the 19th century. However, in those days when the idea of an Arab-Palestinian entity differentiated from the Arab world did not even exist, the unifying role of Palestine was assigned to Arab nationalism.

Palestinist theology shores up the Euro-Arab policy of Christian-Muslim and European-Arab fusion: the modern state of Israel--considered a temporary accident of history--is bypassed and Europe's Christian origins are anchored in an Islamic-Christian Palestine. Having fulfilled its historical role of uniting the two enemies--Christianity and Islam--opposed to its very existence, Israel can now disappear, sealing the fusion between Europe and the Arabs. The unifying role devolves on Islamic-Christian Palestine; the reconciliation of Islam and Christianity can finally be consummated on the ashes of Israel and its negation. This is why the European Union--and especially France--designates Israeli "injustice" and "occupation" as the unique sources of conflict between Europe and the Arab/Muslim world, and the cause of international, anti-Western Islamist terrorism.

The contribution of dhimmi Christian collaborationism to Islam is even more important. It satisfies three objectives: 1) its propaganda shores up the mythology of past and present peaceful Islamic-Christian coexistence and confirms the perfection of Islam, jihad, and sharia; 2) it promotes the demographic expansion and proselytism of Islamic propaganda in the West; 3) in the theological sphere it eliminates the Jewish Jesus and implants Christianity in the Muslim Jesus, in other words it facilitates the theological Islamization of all Christendom.

According to Islamic dogma, Islam encompasses Judaism and Christianity, both of which are falsified posterior expressions of the first and fundamental religion, which is Islam. All the characters of the Bible, from Adam to Abraham, Moses to David, the Hebrew prophets, Mary, Jesus, and the apostles, were Muslim prophets who preached Islam, and it is only in their quality as Muslims that they are recognized and respected. They belong to the Koran, not to the Bible. From this viewpoint the bond between Judaism and Christianity is a falsification, because the filiation of Christianity is Islamic, not Judaic. Christianity descends from Islam, the first religion of all humanity (din al-fitra). Christianity is a falsified expression of Islam, and belongs to Islam. According to a hadith, when Isa, the Muslim Jesus, returns, he will break the cross, kill the pig, abolish the jizya (poll tax for infidels), and money will flow like water. Exegetes interpret the destruction of symbols attached to Christianity--the cross and the pig--as the extinction of that religion; the suppression of the jizya means that Islam has become the only religion; and the abundance of wealth refers to the booty taken from infidels. In other words the return of the Muslim Jesus could lead to the destruction of Christianity.

Robert Dubh Nianque

Links within Al-Liqa Center's website are, it seems, currently unavailable.
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Should we westerners blame T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) for all of this b.s. we have in the middle east? After all, when the "Sun Never Set on the British Empire", it was a much more peaceful world. Right???

Can I ask a request of the posters here:

1) Do not use CAPITALS, bold, or italics unless you really need to emphasize a few short ideas. It's very tiresome to read LONG SHOUTED SLOGANS AND PHRASES TO THE POINT WHERE I DON'T CARE ANYMORE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING or something.

2) Maybe the Head Lizard of this Blog could do some elegant .NET programming or something to automatically strip emphasis/capitals if it's used for more than, say, THREE WORDS IN A ROW or something?

3) If you're really mad and need to rant about something, putting it in bold, italic, or capitals loses its effectiveness after a while, so find a different way to emphasize it. Like, go to DailyKOS and say "Rachel Corrie" or something.

steve, thanks for posting that. As soon as I see an all-caps or all-bold post, especially a long one, I just scroll right past it. My eyes can't take it.

Also--I don't read long quotes. The quote box seems to make the text a bit smaller and it's hard on these ole eyes.

If Rachel Corrie's parents were so anti jewish why did they name their daughter Rachel?
Didn't they know that was a jewish name?

responding to message 98...and revising message 113 in the process...

RC neo-Jew,

***...I read somewhere (but can't track it down) that when he went to Israel, he refused to visit Sabeel. If someone who meets with Arafat refuses to meet with the folks at Sabeel, what is he telling us?!*** Bat Yeor may have the answer you seek:

***...Dhimmi collaboration on the theological level is oriented in two directions: toward Christianity and toward Islam. It finds its most radical expression in the "Palestinian Liberation Theology," meaning nothing less than the liberation of Christianity from its Jewish matrix. The spiritual center of this theology is the al-Liqa institute in Jerusalem, created in 1983 for the study of the Muslim and Christian heritage in the Holy Land. This strongly politicized institute, sponsored by international Christian organizations, specializes in disseminating anti-Israeli propaganda through its international religious and media channels.

Uniting Marcionist and Gnostic theological currents, this Palestinian theology strips away Jesus's Jewishness and turns him into a sui generis Arab-Palestinian Jesus, a twin of the Muslim Jesus (Isa). Christianity, thus liberated from its Jewish roots, can be transplanted in Arab-Islamism. This would place Palestine, and not Israel, at the origin of Christianity, making Israelis usurpers of the Islamic-Christian Palestinian homeland. This theory denies the historical continuity between modern Israel and its biblical ancestor, the locus of nascent Christianity.

The theology of Palestinism, integrating all the anti-Jewish themes of replacement theology, is reworked to fit the new Palestinian fashion and addressed to Christians all over the world, inviting them to gather together around an Arab-Palestinian Jesus, symbol of a Palestine crucified by Israel. The theme goes back to the 19th century. However, in those days when the idea of an Arab-Palestinian entity differentiated from the Arab world did not even exist, the unifying role of Palestine was assigned to Arab nationalism.

Palestinist theology shores up the Euro-Arab policy of Christian-Muslim and European-Arab fusion: the modern state of Israel--considered a temporary accident of history--is bypassed and Europe's Christian origins are anchored in an Islamic-Christian Palestine. Having fulfilled its historical role of uniting the two enemies--Christianity and Islam--opposed to its very existence, Israel can now disappear, sealing the fusion between Europe and the Arabs. The unifying role devolves on Islamic-Christian Palestine; the reconciliation of Islam and Christianity can finally be consummated on the ashes of Israel and its negation. This is why the European Union--and especially France--designates Israeli "injustice" and "occupation" as the unique sources of conflict between Europe and the Arab/Muslim world, and the cause of international, anti-Western Islamist terrorism.

The contribution of dhimmi Christian collaborationism to Islam is even more important. It satisfies three objectives: 1) its propaganda shores up the mythology of past and present peaceful Islamic-Christian coexistence and confirms the perfection of Islam, jihad, and sharia; 2) it promotes the demographic expansion and proselytism of Islamic propaganda in the West; 3) in the theological sphere it eliminates the Jewish Jesus and implants Christianity in the Muslim Jesus, in other words it facilitates the theological Islamization of all Christendom.

According to Islamic dogma, Islam encompasses Judaism and Christianity, both of which are falsified posterior expressions of the first and fundamental religion, which is Islam. All the characters of the Bible, from Adam to Abraham, Moses to David, the Hebrew prophets, Mary, Jesus, and the apostles, were Muslim prophets who preached Islam, and it is only in their quality as Muslims that they are recognized and respected. They belong to the Koran, not to the Bible. From this viewpoint the bond between Judaism and Christianity is a falsification, because the filiation of Christianity is Islamic, not Judaic. Christianity descends from Islam, the first religion of all humanity (din al-fitra). Christianity is a falsified expression of Islam, and belongs to Islam. According to a hadith, when Isa, the Muslim Jesus, returns, he will break the cross, kill the pig, abolish the jizya (poll tax for infidels), and money will flow like water. Exegetes interpret the destruction of symbols attached to Christianity--the cross and the pig--as the extinction of that religion; the suppression of the jizya means that Islam has become the only religion; and the abundance of wealth refers to the booty taken from infidels. In other words the return of the Muslim Jesus could lead to the destruction of Christianity.***

Robert Dubh Nianque

Al-Liqa Center does have a website whose internal links are, it seems, currently unavailable.

#118 Robert Dubh Nianque

Thanks for that. I can see why the Pope would want nothing to do with it - it's all heresy from a Catholic point of view. Unfortunately, there are Catholic theologians, like Professor Michael Prior who are involved with these people. He has co-authored work with Naim Ateek of Sabeel. Prior is obsessively 'anti-Israel' (translation: 'anti-Jewish') and it is easy to see how this so-called theology could appeal to such people.

1. The Air America Company Picnic is off to a rousing start.

2. Wow, those Mennonites really look pissed about something.

3. Hey, looks like Kathryn Cramer's NEA grant came through. Good for her.

4. With a shout of triumph for their destruction of the potent symbol of their oppression, the Palestinian women hurried to their lives of cooking, cleaning, and pumping out the next generation of suicide bombers, lest they be honor-beaten.

5. "Hello, Berkeley Fire Department... Sorry, can't help you... City policy."

6. "Afula - Tel Aviv - Gaza -Neve Dekalim - Hadera - Natanya - Kiryat Motzkin... Hey, what do you know, we really did start the fire."

7. Salon.com has already landed three of these women as columnists.

8. Markos Zuniga scanned the picture, frantically looking for something to screw.

9. Mail order American flag, $32.50; Bic lighter - $1.50; demonstrating hatred, stupidity, and clueless irony in one image - priceless.

10. Soha Arafat pulls out all of the stops to try and win back Hillary's love.

Again, sorry if the quality is off. I still have a cold, and this pic is hard to look at for too long.

11. Rejects from G Gordon Liddy's "Packed and Stacked" calendar auditions express their disappointment.

#121 V the K I don't get that one, but teh others were great!

V the K, LOL. Good work, I especially loved 1,3,6,7,8,11.
logger phd-they probably don't broadcast the G Gordon Liddy show in Canada, (it's a great show by the way, he's one of my favorite radio hosts. You can probably find it and listen online) but he puts out the "Packed and Stacked" calendar which is basically your standard guy cheesecake wall calendar that you see in offices and mechanics' garages and the like, except the chicks have guns. Hence "Packed" (packing heat) and "Stacked" (that chick is stacked).

#124 evariste

Thanks for the point of information. I listened when hanging out with my dad back in summer '92. Now he's on WJFK instead of WMAL.

I don't listen to too much news talk anymore, especially now that Laura Ingraham [imitating heartthrob] has moved to the morning. Mostly, it would depress me too much, and I get my fix of commentary sated here and elsewhere online. (I veg out with sports talk on the radio instead.)