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Daily Kos: Strike Back at LGF!

Thu, Apr 8, 2004 at 6:46:39 pm PDT

What a pleasant surprise to find this page at Markos Zuniga’s hate-filled web site in our referrers, urging his readers to Strike Back: Target #1 - LGF (Must Read!).

I’m starting to get a big headache, just from trying to comprehend the sheer schtoopidity of the Morlocks who do things like this. (And of Zuniga, who clearly condones it, in the classic passive-aggressive far left manner.)

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1 bull  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:49:08pm

hey kos....

boo! we are out to get you!

2 Paladin  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:49:26pm

Bring it on, Morph, baby!

3 bull  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:50:37pm

talk about projection...lgf is hate mongering???

someone should repost the text of his now famous rant.

4 Buckaroo  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:51:26pm

Uh, Mr. Pickering, Mr. Coffman's campaign manager, was just chatting with us about 5 threads back.

Go ahead Morlocks -- waste your fetid breath yelling at him!
:-)

5 PDM  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:51:48pm

Oh no. He's turning into LGF Watch.

6 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:53:23pm

*YAWN*

7 Innismir  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:53:48pm
I know my Egyptian-American friends, while disagreeing with their homeland's newspapers, are greatly offended by the blanket painting of all Egyptians as being filled with hate.


I know, my LGF-American friends, while disagreeing with some of the posts (of trolls mostly) on here, are greatly offended by the blanket painting of all LGFers as being filled with hate.

Ahhh... I love the smell of Irony.

8 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:54:11pm

The non-apology didn't work, and simply brazening it out didn't work either. That giant crumpling sound you hear is all his mainstream contacts getting rid of his card in the Rolodex.

9 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:54:45pm

"ahhh! You pointed out we have No Clothes! Guards, SEIZE HIM!!"
/LLL

stupid amoral america-hating jackoffs.

10 Mr. Bigglesworth  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:55:00pm

Huh. I find it rather odd that Mr. Zuniga chooses to blame everyone but himself for the furor that his comments have caused.

Although, I shouldn't be surprised. It seems to have become the modus operendi of the "looney left" to cry out "neocon persecution" whenever taken to task on their own words.

Sad, and telling.

11 fhs  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:55:28pm

Free Howard Stern!

Just a thought...

12 Innismir  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:56:11pm

#5, PDM

You know, you gave me an idea, someone should really pre-emptively register lgfwatch.(com,org,net) and have it redirerect back here

13 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:56:34pm

Hah. I feel sympathy for the Coffman campaign, who are going to have to answer a billion calls and emails from idiots.
Anyone notice that Babylonian is there, saying the same stuff that "LGF is Hateful" was saying on Winds-even tho he was posting as Babylonian on Winds as well? Methinks Babylonian is LGF is Hateful.

14 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:56:54pm

[is X at lgfstalk]

15 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:58:40pm

Charles, you should immediately ban any Kos-reading idiot that comes here and tries to talk about the Passion :-)

16 ms heather  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:58:52pm

I'll be sure to put my mask on.

The stench may become unbearable.

17 Charles[deleted]  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 4:59:06pm
18 paul  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:00:06pm

Smells a little like Kos is trolling for some more hits on his site.

And what completely reasonable clips he quoted.

19 One of These Days...  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:00:23pm

What the hell is this? How can he even pronounce the words 'hate-mongering' after his bitch ass condones murder and atrocity.

20 Marcos  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:00:25pm

Charles is finished. His hateful comments towards Egyptian support for terrorism was beyond the pale and totally unacceptable. By the time Kos is done with Charles he'll be sitting behind bars with Bush, Cheney, and every greedy Halliburton employee.

21 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:09pm

Aw, that's mean, Charles! Is that the real Charles? I don't think so.
Check out his blog, there's more to his site!

22 drunkenwookiee  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:22pm

Heh. Like somehow a Republican in Kentucky is going to listen to someone like Markos Zuniga?

There's a reason this state (my state) is the most hawkish state in the Union, pal. I don't think you're going to be persuading Mr. Coffman to remove his ads from this site any time soon.

23 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:29pm

Marcos, LMAO

24 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:35pm

I never heard of "Kos" until Charles brought him into the limelight. This little troll has that much attention and a progessive website?

Kos, if you are reading, you are a scum bag that children kick like can on their way to school. Your agruments are weak and do not hold up to the light of truth and, to be honest, you are boring.

25 Buckaroo  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:40pm

#17

Charles -- it doesn't mattter how old he is -- if he had money you could offer to do him a redesign

But now you've probably lost that chance
:-)


(not that you might have taken it anyway ... )

26 Charles  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:01:54pm

"Marcos" is deliberately trying to provoke extreme comments. Please do not feed this one.

27 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:03:08pm

Charles, #17 isn't really you, is it?

28 snordhol  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:03:17pm

Just a bunch of spineless left wing communists

Just like Lenin said 'A lie told often enough becomes the truth.'

Bring it, were ready :D

29 ajf  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:03:40pm
Huh. I find it rather odd that Mr. Zuniga chooses to blame everyone but himself for the furor that his comments have caused.

I find it rather odd that you find that rather odd.

30 levi from queens  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:03:45pm

If you don't excite somebody to anger and passion, you haven't said anything which can't be heard elsewhere. Nonetheless, it would be good to to excite someone of broader intellect.

31 mikem  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:04:31pm

I glanced over there at Kos and found this: "Try getting some quotes that appear to be anti-christian or anti-religion. Sounds counterintuitive, but..." Yeah, no shit. They are so pathetic.

32 Model4  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:04:56pm

What gets me most is the sheer mindlessness of dkos' typical poster. Why not read the entries first, before making any judgement (from the comments, it's easy to see this ain't happening)?

Take the "Raze Fallujah" post that's whined about. Hello, that's the name of the linked article, and in the entry it's explicitly stated that this is the author's view.

If Charles pulled manipulative shit like that on me, I'd be furious, and would tell him all about it on his thread. But dkos readers? They just stand there while you shear them of their wool.

And yes, I'm aware the peons from there will not bother to read this comment, nor any others, just drop to the comment box and release the grip of their bowels. Worthless.

33 madmark  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:05:21pm

Here is a sample...

-----------------------------------
1. Post a few quotes and who said em.
2. Try getting some quotes that appear to be anti-christian or anti-religion. Sounds counterintuitive, but this is an anti-gay dominionist republican. If we can make it seem like he is getting antichrist at LGF, he'll run.

-----------------------------------
Very very interesting, they hate LGF because they see it as Right-wing AND Nazi (both at the same time!) and hate mongering, but they show the hate they have in their tiny black hearts freely.

The ends justify the means for the Kos-ites

34 Charles  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:05:56pm

#17 is me. Check out the site.

35 Alon  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:06:24pm

Notice that in his post condemning LGF he calls the murder of Americans at Fallujah a "terrible thing" conviniently forgetting that it was his unsympathetic attitude towards those Americans that led to the whole conflict with Daily Kos.

And by the way, when will Lefties learn that killing a large number of people, whether justly or not, does not necessitate ethnic cleansing. If America decided to go on a rampage against every Arab and purposefully target civilians with the explicit aim of destroying Arabs, than we can discuss ethnic cleansing.

Charles knows exactly what he is talking about when he says these Lefties will go to any extremity to get their point across.

36 AG in Houston  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:06:47pm

I just marvel at the unique hits LGF gets on a daily basis. I am glad that I have been here from the get go and I will be here long after Kos is buried under some heavy Cyber Real Estate.

37 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:08:45pm

Someone's spoofing Charles.

38 AG in Houston  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:08:54pm

I am going to venture that "Charles" of post #17 is not Charles Johnson, proprietor of LGF.

39 One of These Days...  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:07pm

#35 conviniently forgetting that it was his unsympathetic attitude towards those Americans that led to the whole conflict with Daily Kos.

How would it be to have a memory that selective?

Lalala lahhhh gaze

40 andrew  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:14pm

Ok so does morpheum work for Zuniga? Or is he just his little pal?

41 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:16pm

I did. I agree, it's butt ugly :-) But that's not the only text on there, he does have a recently updated blog linked. I was just shocked to see you just post that apparently apropos of nothing. Plenty of people post links to really ugly sites in their nicks. I guess his really offended your design sensibility!
Is it really, really Charles? I still don't believe it.

42 Buckeye Abroad  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:19pm

Marcos

Du bist bestimmt ein Judenhassende Aschloch. Ausgezeichnet! Du solletest mit deiner Familien und Kommeraden in die Holle brennen, genau mit der anderen Linken. Ich hoffe, du gehtst in Tot mit viel Schmerzen.

MfG,

Buckeye Abroad

43 Desperado  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:21pm

The traffic at Daily Pus Kos increases by ten-fold every time Charles links to his miserable site. I say, let 'em rot.

44 madmark  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:43pm

#15 evariste

I disagree, let them come and troll. Remember the LGF prayer and let them show the true face of hate.


#31 mikem

D'OH! You beat me by a whole minute with that quote!

45 PDM  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:10:55pm

When Charles is away the KOS morons will play.

#17 sounds to mean-spirited to be the real Charles.

46 Delta Burka  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:11:02pm

Kos ... Sphinctero grande

47 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:11:08pm

levi from queens (#30)

Nonetheless, it would be good to to excite someone of broader intellect.

LOL! Well, that has been done here. This kos is a small guy. A misery loves company guy.

Would you trust him with anything you valued?
[rhetorical]

48 TheBigW  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:11:15pm

#35 - Exactly.

Ethnic cleansing? Huh? I thought this was war? Did I miss something?

I'm glad to see that the LLLs have completely lost their sense of humor, irony and sarcasm.

49 Charles  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:11:23pm

See the front page. I'll hide the post as soon as you folks get over the fear (and I don't blame you -- after the past few days I'm feeling a little paranoid myself).

50 AG in Houston  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:12:07pm

Evariste

That is not Charles. He would not waste his time describing anyone's website, much less discussing it with them in public.

Cheap hits.

I clicked it.

51 snordhol  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:12:09pm

Spoofing charles would take more just naming yourself charles and linking to lgf.

Seriously, would charles say the following?

#17 is me. Check out the site.

I think not.

52 zorkmidden  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:12:13pm

I noticed Charles being called a "dominionist" in one of the comments, on the Kos site. What's a dominionist? I just need to know whether I should add this to my gay fascist racist neo-nazi jews-for-bush list, or is it irrelevant and I should delete it from my small lizardoid brain. Thank you in advance.

53 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:12:34pm

#38 AG:
I agree. BTW, evariste called it first.

I also think that the post from "Charles" on the Bob Kerrey thread [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] might also not be the real mccoy.

IIRC, someone posted "test" as Charles on a thread last night (Charles subsequently deleted it).

Here's a thought: one of the Kossacks is spoofing Charles so they can then say, OO, look! Charles himself is posting this nasty stuff.

54 Laertes  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:12:40pm

1. The sponsor in question knows precisely what he's supporting. Can't imagine Kos is gonna have much luck.

2. What's passive-aggressive about this? Looks aggressive-aggressive to me, or as aggressive as keyboard warriors can get, anyway. The whole sneaking "I'm gonna pretend I'm not taking a shot at you" thing that is the essence of passive-aggressive behavior is entirely absent.

3. Oh please, fair's fair. Kos isn't gonna get anywhere with this, but in light of the way y'all piled onto him, you can hardly complain that it's unfair for him to return fire in more or less precisely the same manner.

4. I wish people weren't so quick to go after one another's sponsors. It sucked when you did it, and it sucks when Kos does it.

55 madmark  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:13:40pm

#39 One of These Days...


Look... a shiny penny! --ughhhhhh-- ;)

56 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:13:47pm

Yeah, Charles is being spoofed.

57 the accidental admin  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:14:12pm

attn: Kos

You sir, are the sombrero of asshats.

58 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:14:28pm

Kos says Charles insults Islamic women? That is like saying pointing out the buises on some sadist's wife is calling her ugly.

59 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:14:31pm

This goes well beyond the propriety of Blog Wars™ - this clown Zuniga paints himself, imagines himself some sort of 'political operative' yet makes the horrible remarks of last Thursday, suffers a series of setbacks as his own (supposed) party's candidates ABANDON him (including a candidate for President of the United States of America), and this, THIS, is what he is (self-)reduced to??
Sad. Childishly sad.

60 One of These Days...  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:16:04pm

Thanks for clearing that up Charles, I was just so confused. : )

61 PDM  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:16:56pm
to mean-spirited

Of course I meant "too mean-spirited."
But I'm trying to conserve beacause of all of the o's wasted on "Joooooos."

BTW after #12 Innismir's comment, I checked out LGF Watch. L0L. VFI posted there.

62 andrew  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:17:09pm

#59 Rayra

What's with the 'Johnson'? Are you the same Rayra - longtime poster/ex-marine/ destroyer of trolls?

63 maura  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:17:14pm

Yeah, here's what some dillweed had to say, over at Kos:

"I know my Egyptian-American friends, while disagreeing with their homeland's newspapers, are greatly offended by the blanket painting of all Egyptians as being filled with hate."

To which I have to say "I know I am greatly offended by the blanket painting of contractors/civilians in Iraq as 'mercenaries' in the business of 'waging war for profit.'

64 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:17:48pm
the sombrero of asshats.

a keeper

65 snordhol  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:18:24pm
You sir, are the sombrero of asshats.

Quote of the Day :D

66 Radian  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:18:28pm

It would be hillarious to take all their "hate" words and open a thread filled with hundreds of thousands of them.

"they said camelhumper 786,550 times over there" they are so evil.."

the kooz (pronounced soprano's style) has lost it. I bet his own mother wishes he was a blowjob.

67 really grumpy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:18:47pm

I'll bet the bullies brutalized Zuniga when he was a kid.

See? There is an explanation for everything...

What a worthless waste of a human being. He thoroughly discredited himself (how that is possible for a left-wing dhimmicrat is beyond me...) by his own words, then only made things worse with his non-apology.

His sponsors are running away like rats from a sinking ship (how appropriate!) and so he decides he wants to attack possibly the MOST moral website devoted to geopolitical discourse that can be found.

Poor, poor fool Zuniga. He hasn't discovered that he's still sinking, and hasn't yet hit bottom.

There's still a lot of sinking to do, Marcos. I hope you took a really deep breath before the water closed over your head.

68 ableiter  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:19:09pm

I guess it's time to send Ben a check. Maybe we can at least teach the left the difference between Male Bovine fecal matter and money. What I'm not going to do is go give Kos my hit.
"Shoot at us if you want, we won't stop ... Freedom can always defeat violence."
-Mikhail Saakashvili

69 ajf  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:19:12pm

#59  

For him this is an expansion not a reduction. You give the little man too much credit.

70 Robert  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:20:30pm

In the land of koz I guess his actions are acceptable to everyone else in the real world his actions are rephrensible! Kos just becuase your a jackarse and your credibiltiy is beneath contempt you should not try to bring other blogs down..thats an act of cowardice. Tomorrow I plan to call the good Congressman and express my support for his continued advertisment on this website!

71 the accidental admin  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:21:37pm

#42 buckeye abroad

right on target man but damn, I felt like I was watching the subtitles on the directors cut of Das Boot, heh, high school german was a verrrrrrrry long time ago for me.

72 NY Nana  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:21:56pm

#17 Charles

You know that you are doing something very right when a raving, ranting LLL bigot like kos goes after you so viciously. Probably any word with more than 3 letters is beyond his comprehension.

Who did he pay to pass the Bar? Hmmm, exactly what kind of Bar did he pass? Maybe he stayed after hours and has brain rot?

The suggestion that this site be nominated for a prize is actually excellent. In all seriousness, is there any organized competition, or any place we could write to?

Your troops stand proudly behind you! Make that battalions. Your numbers must surpass his by thousands a day, if not each hour, at the very least.

73 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:25:11pm
#49 Charles 4/8/2004 07:11PM PST
See the front page. I'll hide the post as soon as you folks get over the fear (and I don't blame you -- after the past few days I'm feeling a little paranoid myself).

absolutely a fake 'Charles'.

(real) Charles - how about posting the actual region / corresponding nics of the kos-clown that is doing this, into their current spoofs?

/feh. the kos-sacks reduce me to their own childish crap, just trying to discuss what they are doing.

74 Jennifer Peterson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:26:03pm

Marcos (or is it Markos?):

There are about 100,000 Halliburton employees in the USA...or is that just in California. Those directly effected by the oil industry in this country number in the millions. Are we going to put them all in jail? Or maybe rather the 400 or so major media lefties in a simple day long "traffic school" like setting where all they have to do is pass the following questions correctly...by the way, all the LGF readers should constantly visit the leftie blogs and constantly bring up the following points:

1) Some of our original Lefties can be credited with terrorizing the British out of America by 1783...with the support of the backstabbing British left who wanted their own empire to collapse. But we owe our lefties a debt of gratitude for that.

Yea, I know it is hard to imagine Moonbats as sons and daughters of the Revolution, but back then they were the underdog and they just see life that way.

Lefties get really excited about war when their own side is vastly outnumbered and outgunned. Thus they always choose the side that is so disadvantaged.

2) The Northern Left (the Democratic Party) was largely against the Civil War. They supported the Confederacy like they supported Saddam. Slavery, or mistreatment of blacks by Southerners, was not an issue for them for 100 years after the Civil War. Their outrageous "Stop the War" mantra during the 1864 election campaign caused the South to fight so Northerners would be feeling defeatist at the polls and vote Lincoln out. More than 100,000 Americans thus died in battles in 1864...all designed to influence the election.

Exactly like today. Kerry and his Chappaquidick buddie have been sufficiently Moonbat in the past few days to motivate our enemies to fight harder (which is good because they have been creating a target rich environment).

3) Remember that the British and French socialists facilitated the rise of Hitler in the 30s. They wanted neither defenses against him to be prepared nor, God forbid, the quick and easy arrest they could have made of him if they had simply driven in tanks down the highway in 1934.

4) Truman, a Democrat, made sure he stopped the Republican generals Patton, MacArthur and Eisenhower from insuring that no innocent countries fell victim to the Soviet Union. Truman allowed China to go communist unnecessarily...which may eventually doom America's cities. Then Truman wasted 50,000 American lives on a Korean War that could have been avoided and was later stopped by a simple threat to use nukes.

5) LBJ started the Vietnam War in 1965 by promising in the 1964 election not to ever use nukes in the event of a communist attack on South Vietnam. Talk about being stupid. But this kind of "foot in mouth" behavior defines liberals. They practically beg others to attack their countries. Of course the North Vietnamese, Soviets and Chinese decided to attack South Vietnam in 1965. They had nothing to lose except some cannon fodder.

6) John Kerry in 1971, just like John Kerry in 2004, encouraged our enemies by his attitude to create American casualties so he could use dead Americans for political purposes.

7) Ronald Reagan was responsible for crushing the Soviet Union because he a) Bled them dry financially by getting the Saudis to pump tons of oil at low prices, thus devastating the Soviet oil and gas industry, b) funded Solidarity in Poland big time which went in contrast to the left wing Germany Ostpolitik, c) supported the Mujadeen in Afghanistan (which wasn't a bad thing until Clinton later abandoned those guys and insulted them) and d) ran the Star Wars program so the Soviets would go broke trying to figure out how to get around it.

75 Sergio  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:26:43pm

I agree with the comments that suggest you are absolutely on the right track if the LLL are resorting to such desperation.

This is the blog world equivalent of seizing three Japanese civilians and holding them hostage: pathetic, counterproductive and revealing.

76 black_flag  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:27:52pm

** Summons the Spectre of IP Banishment **

The "Charles" impersonator will get whacked forthwith.

BTW: dont assume you are anonymouse on the internet, especially on this part of it.

77 NY Nana  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:28:32pm

#52 zorkmidden

Domionist? Simply put, it means that Charles prefers Ontario to PQ...a life-long quandary.

78 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:31:02pm
#54 Laertes 4/8/2004 07:12PM PST
3. Oh please, fair's fair. Kos isn't gonna get anywhere with this, but in light of the way y'all piled onto him, you can hardly complain that it's unfair for him to return fire in more or less precisely the same manner.

The hell we can't, you equivocating nitwit. Kos/Zuniga said the most vile debased thing about his fellow American Cits, continued to do so in his half-assed "apology"

His sponsors - active political candidates - when shown what he ACTUALLY SAID, made their own value judgement and dropped him like the flaming bag of dung he is.
That is FAR from the childish retaliatory campaign he and others have initiated.

They are NOT the same thing, and Zuniga getting fairly dumped for his foulness does NOT excuse his CONTINUED foulness by mounting campaign of retribution.

79 sparkmechanic (formerly Abu Babboon)  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:31:03pm

I would really like to know what KOS has done for the country other than spew trash that would get him a chance to spend major time in the greybar hotel in the lost worlds he wants the USA to become. Some people are just sorry low lifes and without giving up the wonderful RIGHTS of the First Amendment the only way to stop them is to hit them in the pocket.

80 Rob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:34:07pm

You post their own words, outing them for the hate filled elitists they are and they attack you for it!

I am comforted knowing that this KOS mental case is a politcal consultant for the Democratic party. Talk about poor judgement and a lack of basic common sense.

As far as Kathryn Cramer, back to obscurity for her..I visited her site twice and that was more than enough. She's the stereotypical castrating NOW hag. Pity her kid.

Anyone see Bush throw out the game ball? I thought the females in the crowd were going to start tossing their panties at him. 4 more.

81 Jennifer Peterson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:34:31pm

The last straw for the Soviet Union was the loss by Iraq in the First Gulf War followed by sanctions. The Soviet Union would have survived if Saddam had been allowed to keep Kuwait.

So a John Kerry Presidency in 1991 would have guaranteed that the Soviets would even be stronger than we are today. I am serious. That is how Kerry would have it. Look at how he voted.

82 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:34:32pm
#62 andrew 4/8/2004 07:17PM PST


#59 Rayra

What's with the 'Johnson'? Are you the same Rayra - longtime poster/ex-marine/ destroyer of trolls?

Sorry, it is I. Leftover from an earlier riff about 'Blazing Saddles'.

83 bithead  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:35:49pm

Since so many of Kos's fans have been reading, here, I may as well give them somehting to respond to:

Let's face it, Kos' is a beeping idiot, but unremarkable. I mean, at what point do we start to admit to ourselves that Kos and his now-exposed attitudes, are not all that unusual on the left? This is nothing new; Kos and his comments are not at all unlike Fonda and her ilk..(Kerry included) wishing death and destruction on those fighting in 'nam.

Try as the left will to disconnect themselves from such people, they cannot; such people, such ideals, are the base of the left wing today. The sooner we can get to the point of admitting it, we can 'move on'.

Pun intended.

And Kerry will not seperate himself from Kos for the same reason. THIS is the message we need to get out to the voter... the kind of vile non-thinking hatred the Democrats are driven by.

84 genard  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:36:10pm

The "Strike Back #1 Kos blog exposes the liberal mindset. The writers are afflicted with tics of PC. They condone Muslim offense but cannot accept LGF anger. To Kos's posters no crimes are greater than insults to their cult of multiculture.

After Stalin and Mao the greatest murderers in history are Muslims. Why is wishing those horrific jihadists ill offensive? Why is identifying their menace anything but self protection?

85 Marc Poitras  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:36:48pm

Like Buckeye Abroad, I never heard of this Kos bozo until the recent kerfuffle. How such a pissant has any following whatsoever encapsulates what is wrong with this world.

86 justdanny  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:37:29pm

It would be nice if I cared about this. I knew to many kids like kos, growing up. Did'nt care about them then. Don't care about them now.

Must admit I am concerned for Charles's safety though. These "my daddy hates me" nutjobs are the ones who show up dressed in sunday school clothes on court tv.

87 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:37:37pm

Hey, that was different.

88 catzmeow  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:37:56pm

Love how they're so spineless that there is a 24-hour waiting period to leave a comment...as if free speech is as dangerous in the mind of a hardcore leftist as a gun in the hand of a free American.

89 libby  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:38:19pm

If kos wasn't such a spineless pussy he'd let anyone post comments on his site.

Of course one could infiltrate his site and post some outrageous inflammatory shit that the ultra left would smile upon but normal people would find shocking and horrifying.

You know, if one were so inclined. Pick up a handfull of AOL CDs from B&N, end each post with "Bush Lied".

That'd be fun.

And as soon as he sees this post he'll start randomly banning people left and right thinking they're actually right wing provocateurs trying to bring his site down. Calamity ensues and no one bothers to read his bullshit any more.

90 Voidseeker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:38:50pm

If I was the hosting company putting up with

91 Nannette  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:39:27pm

The good news is that Markos and co., will end up having a lawsuit taken out for harrassment of the congressman in question and will have to bear the costs themselves.

If they'd have an IQ bigger than their shoe size they'd have realised that the exerpts on the front page are from articles published in the media news outlets... but they never spotted the clues, ie the links!

These delinquents, because they're behaving so childishly, are also inciting their members to post rubbish on Charles's site just so they can besnirch his good name... typical left wing, terror appeasing, traitorous tactics...

They can't fight the law of the land.

92 Cornholio Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:40:07pm

I though Leftwingers were supposed to be hip

Multiple articles titled, "Hate Like an Egyptian".

Looks like Kos is such a l0053r that he never heard of these ladies

93 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:40:48pm

Charles, please explain what's going on.

94 catzmeow  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:41:41pm

I'd just like to express my appreciation to Zuniga for inspiring me to make a paypal donation to the intrepid Charles.

This one was for you, dude.

Catz

95 Doss  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:43:46pm

Kos--thanks for reminding me that it's been too long since I hit Charles' tipjar -- I'm going to hit it in your honor. And quit eating your own turds, they're working their way up to your brain.

96 [Engineer]  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:44:47pm

#81 Jennifer Peterson

The last straw for the Soviet Union was the loss by Iraq in the First Gulf War followed by sanctions. The Soviet Union would have survived if Saddam had been allowed to keep Kuwait.

The Gulf War was a major shock to the USSR. Iraq's military had been equipped and trained by the Soviets and when we showed just how much better our military was, the Soviets lost all faith in their readiness against the U.S.

97 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:46:57pm
#89 libby 4/8/2004 07:38PM PST
If kos wasn't such a spineless pussy he'd let anyone post comments on his site.

Of course one could infiltrate his site and post some outrageous inflammatory shit that the ultra left would smile upon but normal people would find shocking and horrifying.

Heh. why bother? Markos Zuniga takes care of that himself, by calling Blackwater contractors "mercenaries" and saying "screw'em" about their brutal torturous deaths.

98 Steve in BDA  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:48:40pm

Am I hallucinating, or did an entire topic just vanish from the main page at LGF?

99 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:48:44pm

ok. just registered at Kos's site.
I'm coming for you, kos-sacks.
Don't run, you'll only die tired.

100 Iron Fist  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:49:39pm

#93 cba,

War, hon.

Nothing more, nothing less. I'd like to settle the whole thing with trial by combat, me vs. Kos.

I can arrange it (within legal parameters. I ain't allowed to challenge him to a knife fight :-)

So it goes :-P

101 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:50:11pm

LLL: "Mom?"
Kos: "Huh-- Wha-- Kathryn! What's up?"
LLL: "I just had a bad dream!"
Kos: "Oh, sure. You just lie down and tell me all about it."
LLL: "Well, I know it's absurd, but I dreamed the bogeyman was after me, and he's hiding under --"
Kos: "Aah! Bogeyman! You nail the windows shut, I'll get the gun!"
Kos runs into next room, where son is sleeping.
Kos: "Son, I don't want to alarm you, but there may be a bogeyman or bogeymen in the house."

Later that night, Mrs. Kos returns.

Wife: "Kos, what happened here?"
Kos: "Oh, nothing. Just a little incident involving the bogeyman!"

-dg

102 Alan Bean  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:50:43pm

OT:

Charles, I really like this site you designed. The 'Help Tim Buy His First Gun' thing cracked me up!

103 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:51:30pm

#98:

Lay off the crack, buddy. Or share, at least. ;-)

-dg

104 Patrick Remillard  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:51:53pm

For further description - to the extent that effort is possible - of leftist logic, please note the following email exchanges I had with rob levine of mediatransparency.org and Jam Master Moron of Talking Points fame:
I wrote JMM an email about a post that is still up on his site:


At 05:46 PM 4/8/2004, you wrote:
You describe what happened to you at Fivebucks:

I asked what was up and was told, in a fairly nonchalant way: "Suspicious package outside, no one can come in or leave."

I didn't like the sound of that. And when I looked over and saw the package about three feet from the side of the building I liked it even less. Cover the war on terror? Yes, but not that close. And in any case I thought to myself, I've seen this miniseries before. And I'd really prefer to leave now in my accustomed unitary form.

Understandable sentiment. I'm not sure what miniseries you mean (even as a snide aside, it just is not funny), but yeah, if there was a bomb a few feet away, we'd all freak. I've had family members receive credible death threats from groups (ie credible, enough to get us bodyguards), lived in London during terror bombings (one occurred in a mailbox a block from our house), my father's business in London (cable television) was bombed, and I was on my way to work in the World Financial Center on 9/11. So fair enough. Your initial response could accurately be characterized as fear, and that is fine. Nothing wrong with that.

You go on to say:

So after a few moments of haggling with the Starbuckians (I've got a meeting! I simply must go!), they unlocked the door and I skedaddled out past the yellow tape perimeter and then scrambled home.

Now, this is where you really start to sound... what's the phrase... like a wimp. "See ya, everyone! I have a very important meeting to attend, even though I come here for several hours almost every day! I will gladly lie to save my own skin without regard to anyone else, and then tell the world about my cowardice!" I mean, no calls to anyone? No way of trying to get everyone out of there? No help for any of the Starbucks employees who have to suffer while smelly eggheads like you take up space and order overpriced personality expressions?

You continue:

A short time later, with a bit, but not all, of my manhood recovered, I ventured back with my camera to see what was going on. It seemed the cops having coffee and donuts handed out among them probably meant that things weren't too far gone.

A bomb expert did various tests on the box and, a short time later, the package-formerly-known-as-suspcious was whisked away never to be heard from again

So you came back to see if anyone had died, and brought a camera for posterity or maybe a scoop. You callous bastard. I also find your minor swipe at cops just despicable. No "thanks for risking your life so I could 'skedaddle'", just a coffee-and-donuts handout for cops. Ingrate. And if it was no longer suspicious, it was not an escape, nor could it be qualified as narrow. So I guess my subject line might be more appropriate for your department. It seems like if push might potentially come to shove, you bitch out like a schoolgirl.

Knowing that, why would I listen to anything you have to say about the War on Terror? Or anything as it relates to the military or foreign policy? I mean, you're a self-described coward. Who wants advice from a coward?

Prove me wrong.
PRR

He responded:
Patrick, I'm not sure whether to criticize your poor reading comprehension or lack of discernment. Clearly you're not someone who ever laughs at himself or is even capable of it. You take remarks that are transparently self-deprecating and imagine you've discovered that they put the author in a funny light. It's hard to know where to start about this incredibly stupid email. JMM

I have also been conversing with Rob Levine at the other website.

>on Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:18:51 -0400 you wrote:
>
> >Fair enough. Fox News, Ann Coulter, Hannity - all right-leaning. Didn't
>see
>anything about what anyone can plainly see is a pretty vocal bunch on the
>other side of the political spectrum. So really, your website is only
>"media transparency" for the ignorant or the predisposed. Is this really
>your intent?
>
>Maybe ShadyAnalysis.Org would be a better site name. I mean come on.
>Anyone
>honest could easily list how left-liberal-'ogressive thoughts populate our
>"most trusted" news sources: CBS, CNN, NY Times, WaPo etc. ad nauseam. At
>least be honest. I mean, why waste your time (or, more importantly, my
>time)? If you really can dupe someone into thinking this is media
>transparency, would you really want someone so gullible vocally supporting
>your viewpoints? Prove me wrong.
>
>Publish if you want.
>
>Patrick Remillard

>From: media@cursor.org
>To: patrickremillard@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: one-time reader comment
>Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:57:59 -0500 (CDT)
>
>Thanks for your reply.
>
>Regarding the mainstream media - it actually leans if not slants rightward.
>Check out Eric Alterman's book, "What Liberal Media," - he demolishes the
>old canard about liberal media.
>
>The notion of transparency was to show how the people who set the ground
>rules for our media come from the right-wing institutions - Heritage, AEI,
>etc.
>
>_rob_levine
>
>


on Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:38:16 -0400 you wrote:

>Appreciate the response.
If you made that clear, I would be fine with it. But transparency cannot be
defined as "elucidating a right-wing agenda". I mean, have you read Milbank?
Bumiller? Anyone working for the LA Times/ Boston Globe/ AJC? Listened to
anyone on CNN?

I guess I see what you're saying; but I wish everyone could know about your
standard of "transparency". And I've read Alterman; may I suggest either of
Bernie Goldberg's latest books? (For someone like me, Alterman has about as
much credibility as any of our fiery orators on the right do for you). What
about donation patterns to political parties at major US newsrooms? What
about the constant definition of liberal ideas as mainstream, and anything
different as "conservative"? To say nothing of the agreement factories at
leading institutions - CJS, WW, JFKSOG, the Crimson, The Daily Show (yeah,
unfortunately, now a leading source of news for the What's a Book?
Generation) etc.

I still think you are misleading people. I am thumbs-up on agenda; I just
don't like its presentation as objective.

PRR


You know, when I started it, I did it because I couldn't figure out who all
these people in the media were, and where they came from. It wasn't until later
that I realized they were all funded by a handful of conservative
philanthropies. Later I learned there is *NO SUCH THING* on the left!

_rob

Still waiting for replies to my latest missives from either of these gentlemen. Does anyone else see the utter inability of either of these guys to address an argument with logic or facts? Their effete ignorance makes me sick. And JMM just makes me think of that Seinfeld episode when George knocks over the kids and the crippled lady to escape the fire. What a couple of wusses.

105 NY Nana  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:54:15pm

#52 zorkmidden

1. dominionist 2. dominionist 3. dominionist 4. dominionist
5. dominionist 6. dominionist 7. dominionist 8. dominionist
9. dominionist 10.dominionist

:(

106 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:54:16pm

#101: Credit, where credit is due. For the record, I'm not that creative.

-dg

107 dhimmi smits  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:54:50pm

zuniga sort of sounds like a james bond villain's name

108 Chet Roi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:55:05pm

Kos’ vile comments and amateurish attempt to cover them up has cost him a lot. Before this kerfuffle, he was a respected (in LLL circles, anyway) political consultant and DNC insider. Now he’s radioactive. Kerry dropped him and just the other day hired some dickwad from MoveOn as a campaign consultant. Ten to one, Kos was up for that job. His loss is much, much more than a few two-bit ads on his site – his career is down the tubes. He’s even notorious abroad – Mark Steyn outed him in the Spectator. (The link is to Steyn’s site as the Spectator requires registration.) Expect him to come back hard at any target of opportunity. This is just the beginning.

Boy, it’s gonna be fun.

Stick with Charles and in 20 years when you’re bouncing your grandkids on your knee and they ask, “Gramps, what did you do during the Great Blog Wars of 2004?” You won’t have to say, “Well, I shoveled shit at Instapundit.”

109 freedomsound  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:57:12pm

#107 dhimmi smits

zuniga sort of sounds like a james bond villain's name

LOL! I was trying to figure that out, what was it Zaramunga or something?

110 Digital Octopi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:57:44pm

Just for my records, could you detail your tier 1 network suppliers?

Ah, so that's the net equivalent of "I want to speak to your supervisor".

111 zorkmidden  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 5:57:51pm

#105 NY Nana

LOL
Can you say all that 10 times really fast? ;-)

112 Spiny Norman  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:00:10pm

#108 Chet Roi

“Gramps, what did you do during the Great Blog Wars of 2004?”

LMAO! The Big One. The G.B.W.

;^)

113 Cornholio Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:01:29pm

#100  Iron Fist  

Nothing more, nothing less. I'd like to settle the whole thing with trial by combat, me vs. K

I like the idea! Celebrity Boxing meets the Blog Cage Match O' Death

114 qüark2 ♥  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:02:03pm

Okay, since I was asked by the boss lizard to repost this, here goes.

Okay Y'all I'm hijackin' this here thread. :)

Read this and get mad.

"Canadian MP: some Jews shouldn't be fire-bombed

A Jewish school in my home town of Montreal, Canada, was fire-bombed early Monday morning. Much public outrage has been eloquently expressed by leading politicians but one MP (Minister of Parliament) had a unique and disturbing spin on the attack:

Liberal Stéphane Dion, the MP for the district, showed up at the school early in the morning. He said he found it unfortunate that Canadian Jews were being targeted because of the actions of the Israeli government, because Jews are not unanimously in support of the Sharon government's actions.

"Why link all Canadian Jews with the policy of a government? It's so absurd," he said in an interview.
Hmm. Sounds to me like Dion is complaining that it's unfair that terrorists and sociopaths are not restricting themselves to attacking Jews supportive of Israeli policy, which, by implication, he seems to think would be just fine. What!?!

Newsflash to the "Honorable" minister: It's not okay to fire-bomb anybody, Jewish or otherwise, because of their views on a foreign country's defense policy.
Posted by andrew coulson at 06:47 PM | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0) "

[Link: www.thegantel......]


AND if you haven't read Roger L Simon new posting today, go read it. He's got some durned good advise.

Now back to your regularly scheduled insanity. :)

115 Nannette  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:03:02pm

Mark Steyn's article was brilliant, just another masterpiece by an ace reporter.

Some Bush-loathers rejoiced in the Fallujah atrocities: Mark Steyn says that there is a virus of hate in the Democratic party

On 31 March, four civilian contractors to the Coalition Authority in Iraq were ambushed in Fallujah. They were shot, burned, mutilated, and what was left was then dangled from a bridge while the townsfolk danced for joy in the street. On his website The Daily Kos, Markos Zuniga marked the passing of these four individuals: ‘I feel nothing over the death of merceneries [sic]. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.’
You can find anything on the Internet if you look hard enough. But not many website wallahs who exult in the murder of American citizens are as well-connected as Mr Zuniga. He claims his site is ‘the most popular political weblog with over three million monthly visits’ and boasts of his access to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee. The Daily Kos carries advertisements from Democratic congressional candidates around the country, including incumbents — North Dakota Congressman Earl Pomeroy — and challengers — South Dakota Democratic House candidate Stephanie Herseth, who raised $21,000 in one day on Zuniga’s site. It’s partly credited with helping Ben Chandler win victory in a special House race in Kentucky a few weeks back. The Daily Kos has been mentioned approvingly in stories on the rising influence of the Internet by CNN, CBS, Business Week, the Associated Press, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Washington Post, the San Francisco Chronicle, and our chums at the Guardian. Zuniga’s admirers include Simon Rosenberg, former Clinton aide and president of the New Democrat Network (‘Markos has done an incredible job’). Howard Dean put him on the payroll as a campaign consultant. John Kerry’s website links to Mr Zuniga.
Or did. Over the weekend, the senator’s site posted the following announcement under the headline ‘Respect’: ‘In light of the unacceptable statement about the death of Americans made by Daily Kos, we have removed the link to this blog from our website. As John Kerry said in a statement earlier this week, “My deepest sympathies are with the families of those lost today. Americans know that all who serve in Iraq — soldier and civilian alike — do so in an effort to build a better future for Iraqis. These horrific attacks remind us of the viciousness of the enemies of Iraq’s future.”’

and so the article continues in the same vein... although I suppose that Markos will now blame Mark Steyn for the hateful and traitorous comments he posted - just like a child having a tantrum, kicking and screaming, because he got caught out and can't take his hateful comments back!

116 Voidseeker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:03:25pm

#101 - D.O.

Actually no, it is far worse. The person in question wants to know from whom the hosting company buys bandwidth from/gets connected through. As soon as that becomes known the person in question will begin to harass the Tier 1 provider to terminate service to the hosting company.

The out right lame attempt to disguise this motive with the words "for my records" is laughable.

The hosting company should ask for his name, birth date, SSN, mailing address and home phone first. As soon as he coughs up that information and it is verified then they could think about letting him know who(m) their Tier 1 provider(s) is/are.

117 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:04:24pm

Dammit. Why is this thread on a Thursday.

Time to really play with their minds:

They are all his comments
Or those he quotes, agrees with and endorses.

Ohhh, Charles.....

The sky is blue !

118 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:04:41pm

The sky is green !

119 Rand Mcnally  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:05:07pm

I posted a couple of days ago saying that we should be careful of what we say on this blog. I sais this because of the weakness that this incident shows. You can go to this site and find much that sounds racist. It is a public forum. Use of childish name calling, does not help spread the word, and makes it easy to brand us as racists. We can have discussions without using such terms. Calls to nuke Mecca do not help us sound like rational people. Most of here agree that we are involued in a struggle of great importance. We have to win that battle at home first. I think that toning down the level of invective here would help win that battle. If we wish to be able to refer people to this site in order to convince them of the multi-fronted battle that we are in, we have to have a site that does not come off as being full of crazy racist nuts.

120 Joshua Scholar  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:05:13pm

You can't post on Kos' site for 24 hours after registering.

That guarantees that he can slander people and be relatively safe from correction.

121 placebo  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:06:07pm

why not start a registration process here? or has that alerady been discussed? i'm sure it would stop all this "who's who" in the comments..

122 madmark  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:06:44pm

#90 Voidseeker

What a wonderful idea... I am sure that HostingMatters is getting tired of this BS and would be interested in knowing that they are the target of the Kosites

123 Jeremiah  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:08:47pm

And this from people who claim to be against war. If that they act like this over this kind of issue, imagine if they had the reins of the country in their hands...

124 cba, zulubaby, and evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:09:52pm

Charles, this is from the three of us:


{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Charles}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

And please check your email.

125 Lewis: Little Green Goofball  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:10:45pm

Two can play that game, RWC.

The San Francisco 49ers are the most evil football team on the face of this earth.

/this opinion has been officially sanctioned by Charles Johnson. So THERE.

126 Robb  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:10:57pm

My favorite quote!

They are all his comments (none / 1)

Or those he quotes, agrees with and endorses.
Geeze, people, why are we so timid and wishy-washy? Who cares who's still linked to DU. If you really want to do something, I went and did the legwork.

No wonder we keep getting spanked by the right. Are we incapable of fighting back?

WWBD - What Would Buddha Do?



Em. by me

127 bender  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:11:40pm

Charles - you dont contact me anymore ;)

drop me a line man - maybe I can try to help make the lawyers "Threats" a bit less menacing?

seriously. Lets chat - were on your side over here.

128 Nannette  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:11:53pm

A brilliant book review...

In Defence of the Stars and Stripes

Therein lies another exquisite irony: the costs of anti-Americanism will be borne not by Americans, but by others. And their numbers are vast: Cubans, North Koreans, Zimbabweans, and countless others suffer and starve under their respective tyrannies because the democratic world's chattering classes, obsessed with denouncing the United States, can't be bothered with holding their criminal regimes to account. Meanwhile, in Iraq, fascist rabble, with no discernible political program save a pledge to kill more Americans, try desperately to extinguish the slightest hope of democracy, economic growth, and stability for that long-suffering land; but the world, instead of helping to beat back the wolves at the door, basks in anti-American schadenfreude. How countless are the political problems, cultural pathologies, and humanitarian disasters that fester unnoticed, all over the globe, as the anti-American cult, wallowing in ecstatic bigotry, desperately scrutinizes every utterance of the Bush administration for new critical fodder.


[Link: www.atimes.com...]

129 Voidseeker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:11:53pm

#116 - Voidseeker

It was #110 you nitwit, not 101 - learn to read you tool.


Don't you hate it when you have to troll yourself because the L3's are just too lazy?

130 steve miller  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:12:03pm

OT, but interesting

Jihad doesn't mean "holy war":
[Link: seattlepi.nwsource.com...]

Jihad means "burn them alive":
[Link: www.thisislondon.com...]

My, how does an honest Muslim keep his head on his neck what with all the rapid switching?

131 EE  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:12:37pm

Morpheum's post on Daily Kos has it all wrong: it is desert Islam that insults and degrades women. Pointing out how women are degraded by desert Islam is meant to highlight the problem. Pointing out this shabby treatment of women does not insult women; rather it is essential if ever this injustice to half of the population is to be fixed.

132 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:16:07pm
Search results for subhuman (259 matches)
Search results for vermin (842 matches)
Search results for savages (858 matches)
Search results for sand n*gger (17 matches)
Search results for barbarians (584 matches)

Um, I'm pretty sure the sand-n word has never been used by anybody on LGF with the exception of morlocks who'll accuse us of using it or trolls planting it here so they can do searches and then find it.


Myself, I think "vermin", "subhuman" and "savages" are pretty apt descriptions to describe a group in which the vast majority favors suicide bombings aimed at civilians on buses, or danced and passed out candy while thousands died a horrible death in New York, or who more recently celebrated a "victory" by mutilating the bodies of the dead. I guess thats why I frequent this "hate" site.

133 Voidseeker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:16:59pm

#122 - Madmark

Thanks. I think it would be really fun to have them submit a bill and then sue for losses and damages. If the comments at LGF are just the same as if they had been posted by the site owner, then the actions by those over at Kos are the same as if he did them himself right?

So using their logic Kos is fiscally responsible for all the actions of those on his site, as he has yet to remove/ban those people he must support and endorse their actions right?

134 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:18:14pm

#124, The three musketeers:

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Charles}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

And you are aware that, between the three of you, you have 15 left arms and only 14 right? Which of you was wrestling crocodiles and lost?

-dg

135 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:18:36pm

#132 Ed Moran

You are exactly correct sir. I just searched it, there was one entry, telling zulubaby to go ahead and go the full route and start calling them that....blah...blah....


So, even that 17 hits is a lie.

And Kos is a big time political blog....wow.

136 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:19:39pm

dexter green

What on earth possessed you to count them?

137 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:20:18pm

dexter green, don't worry about that. Do you want a hug?

138 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:20:38pm
#109 freedomsound 4/8/2004 07:57PM PST
#107 dhimmi smits
zuniga sort of sounds like a james bond villain's name


LOL! I was trying to figure that out, what was it Zaramunga or something?

I think you mean 'Scaramanga'. Who had three nipples. Which is perfect for Kos, 'cause he's all boob.

139 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:20:42pm

#134 dexter:
twas I, the one-armed bandit.

140 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:21:14pm

RWC:

I just searched it, there was one entry, telling zulubaby to go ahead and go the full route and start calling them that....blah...blah....

What's this?

141 Thom  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:21:49pm

This was a long thread but Marcos was worth it. Thanks for the bit of humor, Marc.

(Were you seething when making your post? I thought I noticed spittle around yours.)

142 Comrade Mouser  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:23:26pm

I really like the nickname this guy chose.
You definitely do not want to know what kos means in Arabic.

143 Robert Crawford  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:23:44pm

As far as I remember, every instance of "sand-n***er" ever entered into LGF has come from a LLL trolling the place.

In the immortal words of Penn & Teller, they're all full of bullshit.

144 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:26:25pm

Nannette (#128)

That was great! Thanks for the link.

145 qüark2 ♥  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:26:27pm

Well I guess I missed out on all of the fun. :(

146 D-Berg  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:28:06pm

search results for Beatles (71 matches)
search results for Steely Dan (19 matches)
search results for Led Zeppelin (15 matches)
search results for Eric Clapton (13 matches)
search results for Styx (11 matches)
search results for Don Henley (5 matches)
search results for Chick Corea (5 matches)
search results for Jeff Beck (2 matches)

147 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:28:16pm

#140 zulubaby

I was responding to Ed Morans query about the SN word. Here is the ONLY time it was used - Link.

148 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:28:25pm
#119 Rand Mcnally 4/8/2004 08:05PM PST
...If we wish to be able to refer people to this site in order to convince them of the multi-fronted battle that we are in, we have to have a site that does not come off as being full of crazy racist nuts.

puh-leez. Charles even demonstrated at Winds of Change a couple days ago the fallacy of that argument - the whackjob there that was railing about 'nuke mecca' got handily rebutted. over 10,000 discussion topics. over 600,000 comments. and something like 1/100th of 1% had ANYthing to do with blanket statements.
Funny, that's about the same percentage of Iraqi shiites taking part in Sadr's insurgency. And just as meaningless when it comes to attempting to characterize an entire population / data set.

149 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:29:53pm

#136 J.D.

What on earth possessed you to count them?

ROFLMAOAPIMP!

I didn't even count them... as dexter pointed out!

150 Ms. Andi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:29:56pm

The only time I have ever seen any use "sand-N(word)" is when some moonbat comes here and tries to quote us. In other words, only the moonbats use that word. Grrrr, I'm so sick of these people.

151 brett  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:30:10pm

OK, I posted a rational argument over there at there time below ... how long before it gets deleted?

by brett on Thu Apr 8th, 2004 at 23:26:03 EDT

152 Model4  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:30:16pm

#134 dexter green: People with 30 arms don't lose wrestling matches. Not even to crocodiles.

153 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:30:26pm

Wow. Screwed that up. Here is the link.

154 Beagle  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:30:47pm

What if we just substitued the term "Plano, Texas" for "Egypt" Hate like a Planotian. They would love that.

Hypocrisy clean up, Aisle Kos.

Seriously, they hate the US with the passion of a million idiots and expect anyone to take "threat" talk seriously? Just play the nation, political party, or ethnicity substitution game. You'll find that they are way ahead in the "hate speech" department.

#90 Obviously I need to try harder to be noticed.

155 DG  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:30:53pm

To put some perspective on it

Search Results for Intolerance - 588
Search Results for anti-semitic - 1829
Search Results for Suicide Bomber - 2330
Search Results for Homicide Bomber - 369
Search Results for Dead Jews - 250

156 trigger girlie  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:31:07pm

I just saw that animal on his site for the first time. Poor ole' Marcos. He hates the US so much because all the food made him fat and nasty (compare his army pic with recent). He should go back where he came from if he hates it here so much. Will see how much free speech he'd have there, whereever he is from.

157 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:32:15pm
#123 Jeremiah 4/8/2004 08:08PM PST
And this from people who claim to be against war. If that they act like this over this kind of issue, imagine if they had the reins of the country in their hands...

imagine nothing. Every Socialist Communist regime in history has had gulags / concentration camps (, he said - Slowly, softly, catchee monkee)

158 really grumpy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:32:17pm

It was questioned in this thread as to whether or not Zuniga's first name is Markos, or Marcos.

I'd say Marcos is correct. Just call it a hunch at this time. Maybe "Markos" can chime in on this, I'd love to hear his answer.

Hey, it isn't like I absolutely positively don't think the dude's real name isn't "Markos", but I'll bet a dollar against a donut that his real first name is in fact Marcos.

First person to take me up on the bet has to prove me wrong. If I'm not, it certainly makes the whole "Daily Kos" thing sound kind of, well, pretentious.

If you know what I mean.

159 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:34:01pm

RWC (#153)

I didn't remember that. Blessedly.

160 Tasty Beverage  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:34:38pm

#145 quark2

Well I guess I missed out on all of the fun. :(

Me too. Go away for an hour or two and hundreds of comments appear and it's impossible to keep up. Although I do still have the LGF homepage screen up with the now hidden thread showing. :)

And all the people hugging are making me feel un-loved. Waaaahh!!

161 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:34:39pm

cba (#149)

That's what i figured. I was talking to dexter green.

Hey, I figgered out Charles' deal! I'm keepin' up!

162 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:35:06pm

OT

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the only way to bring peace to the Middle East is to break the back of Islam.

Shiites Rally to Sunni 'Brothers'

The notion of occupier as enemy appears to be spreading here. Several Baghdad residents said they were responding to the Fallujah appeal with the urgency and resolve seen after a catastrophic natural disaster. As appeals issued from the minaret loudspeakers, hotel workers, security guards and businessmen listened intently to the call for assistance to "the good people of Iraq who are facing the fire of coalition forces," then returned to work wearing solemn expressions.
"We don't need a call from the mosque," said Mohammed Najem Mausoumi, as he gave blood in Kadhimiya. "A Muslim is a brother to another Muslim. This is the real Islam."
Like others in the cheerfully crowded tent, he bristled at being asked whether he was Shiite or Sunni.
A few moments earlier, Wan, the elderly contributor, had done the same. "Muslim!" she shouted, stamping a foot for emphasis. "Mohammed!"
163 Charles  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:35:17pm

Sorry, Innismir -- looks like I read you wrong, in the midst of trying to do 100 things at once. I deleted comment #17.

164 steve miller  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:35:24pm

Markos would be more Greek; Marcos more Latino/Roman.

I'm going for Marcos.

No, wait. Markos.

AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

165 Nekama  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:35:27pm

Charles,

This putz is giving you a headache? Don't give him a second thought.

'Kos couldn't carry your bike shorts.

166 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:35:35pm

I drank beer in Plano, TX

167 PostalWorker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:36:04pm

#99
"Don't run, you'll only die tired. "

Love it. That should be on the random title in IE. LOL

168 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:36:11pm

#136:

Looked uneven, so I counted. Simple as that. I'm an editor at heart, so I notice these things. And yes, I do wish I could turn it off.

-dg

169 [Engineer]  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:38:05pm

#116 Voidseeker

Actually no, it is far worse. The person in question wants to know from whom the hosting company buys bandwidth from/gets connected through. As soon as that becomes known the person in question will begin to harass the Tier 1 provider to terminate service to the hosting company.

Just shows the guy doesn't understand the Internet. It took me about 30 seconds to find that information with contact name and number.

170 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:38:05pm

Hell, if we really want to put it in perspective:

Search results for fart (1078 matches)
Search results for poop (320 matches)
Search results for stinky (193 matches)
Search results for boob (476 matches)


Uhhh, guys and gals.

I think we need to have a group meeting.

171 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:38:06pm

163

Before you know it you're going to have to ban yourself.

/snark

172 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:38:35pm

#152, Model 4:

People with 30 arms don't lose wrestling matches. Not even to crocodiles.

ROTFL.

-dg

173 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:39:42pm
I think we need to have a group meeting.

Vegas, baby!

174 Jeremiah  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:40:23pm
By the time Kos is done with Charles he'll be sitting behind bars with Bush, Cheney, and every greedy Halliburton employee.

What is the deal with Halliburton? I've yet to understand that. I come from oil country, and it's well known that they're the best around. Would these people rather have inept morons trying to get the fields running again? Christ, Buddha, and holy Odin. So top figures have ties to it. Big deal. If anything, it shows wisdom on their part.

175 badanov  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:40:32pm

Kos is implementing one of the cardinal rules of tactical combat:

When you can no longer defend, you must attack.

By August, Kos will be the blogging equivilent of a used tampon.

176 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:40:46pm

I'm not going to do it now on my slow 56k home dial up, but I wonder how many times LGF users used words like "CAPE", "Total Totals", "Bulk Richardson Number" or "Storm Relative Helicity".


I wonder if anyone has used the phrase "warm core" since last October?

177 Ms. Andi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:41:08pm

So I wonder how the other "Charles Johnson" is doing. Have the Kathy Krazies got him yet? G-d, I hope he sues.

178 EE  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:41:58pm

IMO hate can be divided into justified hate and causeless hate. When people do horrible things like burning their victims alive, mutilating the corpses and hanging their remains, as some in Falluja did, there is hatred that is generated. And I think that the hatred is justified.

Unfortunately, any strong emotion blinds one. And hatred is a very strong emotion, and it blinds one. That means that it makes it difficult, maybe impossible to think clearly. Hatred, even justified hatred, isn't helpful to thinking about what is the right path to pursue in this war against jihadi terrorism.

But even worse than that is causeless hatred. If somebody should try to incite hatred against one-fifth of humanity, the entire Muslim ummah, then IMO that would be causeless hatred. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of posters here do not do that.

There is one poster here who does do that, often in a brief blurb at the end of an informative posting about the radical Islamist crazies. The information he posts is sometimes good; the concluding incitement to causeless hatred just degrades his credibility and isolates him from the majority of posters. It's a shame. In a way, it's the mirror image of the hatred by radical Islamists for all kafirs. It isn't a fair thing to do, it isn't a wise thing to do, and it makes no sense to me.

But one poster's words, or the words of trolls, are very different from characterizing this blog. This blog is very educational, and it is certainly not a site of causeless hatred as far as the vast majority of posters are involved. Certainly Charles does not seek to condemn the innocent, and his words are not those of causeless hatred.

The attacks to try to subvert LGF because Charles' articles quote actual statements made is another example of causeless hatred. This is not a site of causeless hatred; but the libels against it are reflections of causeless hatred, and the calls to subvert LGF are a vicious reaction to exposing the truth.

179 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:42:19pm

I quit Halliburton four years ago because I was stuck in New Iberia, LA.

I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on that.

180 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:42:45pm

#137, zulubaby:

Well, I wasn't looking for one, but if you're offering, I won't turn it down.

-dg

181 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:42:50pm

#173 zulubaby

Hey, we already talked about that.

psssst.....your the sweet talker.............you get them to go along with it........go ahead........they'll listen to you.....

182 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog ®  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:43:09pm

Nytol

183 Voidseeker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:44:01pm

The newbie is in for a Vegas meet up. =)

184 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:46:02pm

Jeremiah (#174)

Would these people rather have inept morons trying to get the fields running again?

I don't think they care one way or another. It just serves as a vehicle to attack Cheney et al.

185 Camel Prophet  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:46:28pm

OT:
Muslims believe that Occidential life is cheap:
[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Netherland mosque imam says that women must be "circumcised." Which means: removal of erectile genital tissue, so that sexual pleasure is reserved for men:
[Link: www.expatica.com...]

Message to my critics: FUCK YOU!

186 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:46:28pm

re "Rayra Johnson" LOL

I think all LFGers need to append "Johnson" to their nics, a la Cory. Thinking about changing mine to "Chapped Johnson".

/cringing as the Lizardoid massssster hits the "Smite" button

187 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:48:39pm

#139, cba:

twas I, the one-armed bandit.

So ... you've got one and evariste & zulubaby have 14 each? As Model4 pointed out, maybe you should let them do the croc wrestling next time. :)

-dg

P.S. Apologies to everyone for all my off-topic posts today. Some days there's so much bad stuff going on that my brain would explode if I engaged it head on.

188 Camel Prophet  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:50:30pm

EE #178;
1. I feel your desparation pain.

2. I really wish you could share my hyper confidence.

3. I take back 1 and 2.

189 really grumpy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:50:34pm

Ed, since last October, why would anyone (besides yourself) need to use the words "warm core"?

There aren't many of us here who know what that is, but if this is the year, the number will increase ten-fold by next October, don't you think?

190 J.D.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:51:07pm

dexter green

I noticed they were uneven, too.

191 Azure  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:51:43pm

It has been a terrible day. Nasty things continue.

I'd like to say cheers to Charles for his steadfastness and courage.

I'd also like to suggest to all loyal lgfers that a contribution of whatever reasonable size, according to anyone's immediate ability, would likely be very much appreciated. As long as we insist on the truth, we also need to help those who do such a good job in getting it out and available for all of us.

Many thanks to you, and many thanks to Charles.

I'd love to be more cheerful as some of you can be, but this was one thought that seemed helpful.

192 Ms. Andi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:52:28pm

Vegas would be a hoot. The morlocks will be pissed they won't be able to bring in their intel-recording equipment into the casinos. 'Casuse ya know, they need to find that ZOG connection we're so secretive about.

193 logger phd  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:52:29pm

What happened was that when I first logged on tonight, I saw a bizarre "I wrote post 17" thread. I thought it was odd, sicne Charles certainly would have been thorough and supplied a link to that post. I didn't even enter that thread, but this one instead and I saw that post. Definitely uncharacteristic, and while scrolling I noticed that the strange thread had been "disappeared."

So, no one was hallucinating, and it looks like all is well now!

194 steve miller nominal johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:54:15pm

I drank beer with Ed Moran Name-shifter once.

Only it wasn't beer. And it wasn't Ed Moran. AND WHY DID I WAKE UP IN THIS BATHTUB FULL OF ICE?

195 really grumpy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:55:57pm

I dunno. "really grumpy johnson" just doesn't sing to me...

I guess I'll have to consult Harvey Korman about that.

196 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:56:05pm
AND WHY DID I WAKE UP IN THIS BATHTUB FULL OF ICE?

All your kidney are belong to us!

197 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:57:16pm

J.D., dexter:

LOLOLOL! You guys are so funny.

I just held my finger down on the shift+[ key a while then did the same thing the other way.

198 logger phd  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:57:36pm

Why all the hate toward Marcos?

When I first read his post, #20, I was cracking up --I just thought it was missing the tag!

If it is sincere, I think we ought to bait posters like that. It is hilarious!

199 cba  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:59:28pm

steve miller nominal johnson, I just scared my daughter by laughing so hard.

200 logger phd  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:59:41pm

#92 Cornholio

That site lacks "In Your Room" and "Eternal Flame" --and I think they were from the same album. What's up with that?

Ah, Susanna Hoffs --one of my first crushes! ;-)

201 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 6:59:52pm

#198 logger phd

Marcos is a faux troll. He appeared (and was outed) on another thread today.

202 logger phd  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:01:33pm

P.S. Susanna Hoffs: Still spiking the Hotness Meter!!!

'Nite all!

lphd

203 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:01:43pm

#147 & 153, RWC:

I was responding to Ed Morans query about the SN word. Here is the ONLY time it was used

Disagree. There are 18, including yours. And even in your example, the term was used by some dickweed accusing zulubaby of racism.

That said, s*** n***** shows up 17 times at LGF, but it is only used in malice once. Granted, that's still one time too many, but the other 16 are a mix of LLL accusations of the things being said here, examples of things it's not okay to say, and -- in at least once instance -- quoting a deleted post and calling it offensive.

-dg

204 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:01:50pm
#167 PostalWorker 4/8/2004 08:36PM PST
#99
"Don't run, you'll only die tired. "

Love it. That should be on the random title in IE. LOL

can't take credit for that, it's a very old Sniper slogan.

205 logger phd  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:02:33pm

P.P.S. Ugh, some of the live shots are from a Howard Dean Rally.

Did you girls ever grow up?!

206 Nekama  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:03:12pm

200 Logger

Ah, Susanna Hoffs --one of my first crushes!

Her solo on Walk Like An Egyptian was always a tent maker ;-)

207 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:03:48pm

#201 zorkmidden sometimes johnson

Who was it ?

208 steve miller nominal johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:06:53pm

I've been too tired and fuzzy-eyed to post much today - got my eyes checked, and they put that stuff in them that makes me see all blurry.

(Not to mention the chillblains after the recent meetup with Ed Moran, whom I think slipped me a Mickey.)

209 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:07:52pm

#203 dexter green

OK. Thanks. At least now I know who the other guy was on my lunchbox. :-)

210 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:08:31pm

#207 Right Wing Conspirator

There were bets being taken between two candidates, Frank IBC, and andrew. Andrew put a disclaimer, so...

I'm not trying to smear anyone here ;-)

211 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:09:54pm

#210 zorkmidden

Oh OK. I thought it was proven that it was Frank. Definitely a faux though.

212 realwest Johnsoh  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:10:45pm

So brother CHARLES, HAS KOS BEEN PICKING ON YA? OR is this a spoof? Frankly, Rayra Jonson and I want to know (being from the same family and all). If its real, then the calls should ring out to the whole clan - Iron Fist Johnson, Palladin Johnson, evarist Johnson, zulubaby Johnson (she's the main reason we single male Jonson'sgo to a family reunion -who hoo, looking for a wife!!) and Enjneer Johnson, Right Wing Conspirator Johnson, quark2 Johnson, j.d. Johnson, Buckaroo Johnson RIP Ford Johnson, Amy Johnson, justdanny Johnson, Model4 Johnson, Colt Johnson, Buckeye Abroad Johnson, Renna Johnson,Thom Johnson, Doug in VA Johnson, papijoe Johnson and then Reaganite Johnson and the rev churchmouse Johnson can make the call to all the other Johnsons so as to not unduly increase my bandwith!!!

213 Bowling for Howard Dean  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:11:18pm

Axis of Evis - Iraq, Iran North Korea
Axis of Weaslels France Germany
Blogger of Weasels [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

214 Model4  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:12:15pm
Susanna Hoffs: Still spiking the Hotness Meter!!!

Is that what you call that thing? Thought I'd heard 'em all.

215 Pickle  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:12:30pm
As far as Kathryn Cramer, back to obscurity for her..I visited her site twice and that was more than enough. She's the stereotypical castrating NOW hag. Pity her kid.

I sent a few posts to her threads, and I thought the exact same thing. Ms. Cramer is the kind of woman that I hate the most: so indoctrinated into believing that she is a victim, that everything is society's fault, men's fault, the evil rightwing's fault, the LGF posters' fault, everyone but her. And I couldn't help thinking today, as I watched her selectively delete and then modify my posts on her blog to make her "point", that she is going to instill those very same values in her offspring, who we will then have to deal with when it winds up on welfare and blaming us all for its problems.

She's why I'm in favour of abortion. The more people like her minimizing their reproduction, the better.

216 dexter green  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:12:49pm

#209:

I loved those books. I read every one I could get my hands on.

-dg

217 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:13:10pm

Right Wing Conspirator

He gave himself away on this thread

A reminder

218 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:13:29pm

***

Mr. Interlocutor: "And how do they kill those poor little animals, Daria?"

Daria: "50,000 volts...up the butt."

***

Step on up, Koz. Step on up.


D. Edgren

219 Model4  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:13:29pm
Model4 Johnson

Maybe. But it's gonna cost him.

220 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:13:41pm

#170  Right Wing Conspirator

If we did organize a group meeting, we'd doubtless be picketed by the Krazy Kos Krowd (KKK). Then we'd have to give them a nice, hardy group-moon (I'm thinking with LGF stickers proudly stuck on each buttock). A moon en masse, as it were.

221 quark2  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:16:56pm

@160 Tasty Beverage

Yeah, I had it up, but somehow 'lost' it. :(

Are they still going at it there?

222 Joshua Scholar  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:17:19pm

#162 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

I'm really worried about that. These muslims have been taught all their lives that non-muslims are subhuman, and they might just band together for a moment to eject us... before falling into the savagry of a civil war or a new mafia state.

That's the hatred that the Arab media plays on 100% of the time. And here it comes!!!

I'm also worried about domestic politics fucking the war on terror.

I was pretty sure that the Madrid bombing had reelected GWB, but Sadr has overshadowed Al Qa'eda in the minds of Americans.

The bastard seems to be helping Kerry. And he's got such company: Kim Jong Ill, Villapin, Spain, Hezbolla...

223 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:19:05pm

Right Wing Conspirator

Here's the comment that betrayed our faux troll

Why is Charles so obsessed with Kathryn Cramer? Why can't he leave her alone? Why is he still allowing his readers to harass and stalker this poor lady with a kind heart that just wants to be left alone to breast feed? Shame on you orcs!
224 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:19:31pm

realwest johnson, that's a sh*tload of Johnsons.
What say we all go to Howard Johnson's for some PANCAKES.

225 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:21:06pm

Search results for group-moon (1)
Search results for moon en masse (1)

*hangs head, averts eyes*

226 ördög  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:22:23pm

OT

Iraqi Special Forces in Fallujah

"They [Fallujans] say they are surprised but glad we are fighting," he said in the strained English he said he learned in college in Baghdad. "They say Iraq needs an Iraqi army, not more terrorists."

227 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:22:37pm

#220 pdob

(I'm thinking with LGF stickers proudly stuck on each buttock)

LOL Would that be gamey buttocks.

Oh damn, that's our victims.


However, a slightly easier way is to have them offer zulu a light.

*monitor screen may be needed for some folks*

228 Joshua Scholar  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:24:03pm

Search results for group-moon (2)
Search results for moon en masse (2)

Ooops now it's
Search results for group-moon (3)
Search results for moon en masse (3)

No that should be...

229 Innismir  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:24:10pm
Sorry, Innismir -- looks like I read you wrong, in the midst of trying to do 100 things at once. I deleted comment #17.

What, huh? I'm confused. Did I do something on comment 17? I don't remember.

Maybe I'm just tired. Time to go to bed.

230 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:24:26pm

#223 zorkmidden

How did that out him though? I mean, I realize that it is a faux troll...but we still are not positive that it is Frank, correct ?

231 EE Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:25:26pm

Charles, I want to thank you enormously for the good work that you do. I really appreciate it.

232 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:27:01pm

#227   Right Wing Conspirator

Good heavens, but that's one savage Zulu! Ouch.

#226   ördög

Great story and great news. Thanks.

233 Charles  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:30:15pm

Innismir -- we try not to talk about ... the dreaded comment #17!

234 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:30:20pm

Right Wing Conspirator

We don't know who it is, nobody has come forward, I only mentioned the two names that were being betted on. Again, I'm not trying to smear anyone. I thought Marcos was very funny as a faux troll. Especially the part about the poor lady being left alone to breast feed (the part that gave him away)

:-)

235 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:32:51pm

#227 Right Wing Conspirator Johnson you are SOOO
bad; zulubaby Johnson has blonde hair and is left handed!
Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to fool me!!!

236 zorkmidden back to one name  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:33:15pm

Oh dear, I hope I haven't started any rumours...

237 PostalWorker  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:38:06pm

"However, a slightly easier way is to have them offer zulu a light"


LOL gotta love a woman that chews.

238 Ed From Ohio  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:38:18pm

Kos....if yer reading this....you brought this on yourself with your cruel, insensitive, and disgustingly warped comments about individuals (your fellow citizens) who are there to help people and serve their country. God Bless them....and you should be ashamed.

239 Dull-in here  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:39:51pm

I think the posts/comments on this site are moronic,but I believe that you have every right to express your idiocy.That's what makes America great!

240 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:41:47pm

“Let the people see what war is like. This isn’t an xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush’s folly. That said, I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.”

Markos Zuniga

241 zorkmidden back to one name  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:42:15pm

Dull-in here

Uh, yeah, thanks for livening thing up...

242 zorkmidden can't spell  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:43:50pm

thing/things

It was too dull-in here to notice

243 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:44:46pm

OT - sadass domestic terror -
Someone tried to blow up a National Guard Armory in Olean NY

FBI probes incident at Olean Armory
April 8, 2004
The FBI and local law enforcement are investigating a possible attempt to blow up the Olean National Guard Armory. The Times Herald of Olean is reporting that someone tapped a natural gas line to the building and ran a rubber hose from the hole to a nearby electrical transformer. Sparks from the transformer could have ignited a blast.
The potentially lethal setup was discovered by a New York State Electric and Gas worker on March 30.

The armory happens to be located across from the Olean Police Department on Times Square. It is home to Company C of the 1st Battalion, 127th Armored Division of the National Guard.

CENTCOM's news -

ATTACK ON MARINES NEAR MOSQUE

OPERATION VIGILANT RESOLVE NETS HIGH VALUE TARGETS

TWELVE DETAINED IN RAID

244 A Reader  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:45:00pm
#74 Jennifer Peterson

1) Some of our original Lefties can be credited with terrorizing the British out of America by 1783...with the support of the backstabbing British left who wanted their own empire to collapse. But we owe our lefties a debt of gratitude for that.

Huh? The agreement the founders came up with was a libertarian one, quite the opposite of any statist scheme, be it socialism or any other stripe. I wouldn't characterise the US Constitution, or the war for independance, as "leftist" in any sense of the word. It was a people revolution, and a good one at that. Better than what the French would come up with, anyways.

2) The Northern Left (the Democratic Party) was largely against the Civil War. They supported the Confederacy like they supported Saddam. Slavery, or mistreatment of blacks by Southerners, was not an issue for them for 100 years after the Civil War. Their outrageous "Stop the War" mantra during the 1864 election campaign caused the South to fight so Northerners would be feeling defeatist at the polls and vote Lincoln out. More than 100,000 Americans thus died in battles in 1864...all designed to influence the election.

The progressive spirit in the US was helped considerably at the polls in the federal elections with the help of the racist solid-south. The left didn't mind having racists in their party when they voted their way. Once the south was softened after the civil rights amendments - and entered the least racist part of their history - then switched the Republican party, then all of a sudden the left hates their racists. Go figure. The south has been been helped twice by Republicans, but were impoverished in the hundred years in between.

3) Remember that the British and French socialists facilitated the rise of Hitler in the 30s. They wanted neither defenses against him to be prepared nor, God forbid, the quick and easy arrest they could have made of him if they had simply driven in tanks down the highway in 1934.

But facists are socialists too. "Brown on the outside, red on the inside." Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' Party, ie. big government, very anti-freedom. Back in the day, before Stalinism was discredited to mainstream liberals, fascism was thought of as the "icebreaker of the revolution." That is, a fascist government was needed in western europe nations, to preceed their eventual transition to communism. Not that big a leap, in other words.

7) Ronald Reagan was responsible for crushing the Soviet Union because he a) Bled them dry financially by...

The hard left will never forgive the US for killing one of their gods. Only, if only, Dubya could be half the president as Reagan, and stop governing as Democrat-lite.

245 a lesser mongbat  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:45:08pm

All hail me. I am just the awesomest, and this proves it.

246 NTropy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:46:46pm

#130 steve miller

My, how does an honest Muslim keep his head on his neck what with all the rapid switching?

My! How very . . . . .Kerryesque?

#132 Ed Moran: abu Broke the Blog

I agree with your evaluation of terms. And even if they are given the benefit of the doubt, the sum total of those comments comes to something like .0005% of all comments made. Considering the traffic Charles gets is it at all surprising? Kos and DU have a vastly higher percentage of vile, disgusting and inhuman quotes I'd wager.

Funny. Just recently I was thinking how bland the trollage around here was and how the headlines seemed reflective of not much. Things have certainly changed in the past tow weeks or so.

247 Rayra the Trollslayer  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:46:57pm

Search Results for Israel - 7155
Search Results for Terrorism - 5053
Search Results for Radical - 2981
Search Results for WoT - 1039
Search Results for supremacy - 248
Search Results for aryan - 22
Search Results for LOL - 3826


#170 Right Wing Conspirator 4/8/2004 08:38PM PST
Hell, if we really want to put it in perspective:

Search results for fart (1078 matches)
Search results for poop (320 matches)
Search results for stinky (193 matches)
Search results for boob (476 matches)

Uhhh, guys and gals.
I think we need to have a group meeting.

LOL! snort
Dude, you're bogarting all my searches!


#186 RoP really chappin' my hide 4/8/2004 08:46PM PST
re "Rayra Johnson" LOL

..."Chapped Johnson".

You should see a Doctor about that.

248 Frank IBC  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:47:10pm

Sorry to disappoint you folks, but Marcos /= Frank IBC.

249 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:48:46pm

#233 Charles, LMAO! :-)

250 newscaper  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:49:49pm

Belmont Club has another essentially optimistic post up.
Where does he get his info?

In the Fallujah battle itself, very few Marines have died. That's going into the end phase because the Marines now have position on them. They're two klicks in from the south and one in from the north. The town is 4 klicks wide and deep, almost a square, so the enemy is compressed into a very narrow pocket. Probably cut in two by the times you get this. News is lagged. The Marines have got Iraqi Special Forces knocking on doors to while they do the maneuver. Things like this are like arm wrestling. Looks slow at first, but once you get on top, its a slaughter.

There's more on our guys spooling up for the Shia.

251 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:53:18pm

#248 Frank IBC

Sorry to disappoint you folks, but Marcos /= Frank IBC.

Whew, good. Besides, you're funnier. Now which one is you in that picture again? ;-)

252 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:53:26pm

RWC, hah! You've got zulubaby pegged with that :-)
cba, I couldn't find any other info on the word we were discussing; just mentions of it that in context make it sound like Urban Dictionary was right about the meaning.

253 ördög Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:53:40pm

#232 pdob

Yup.

Some other news:

AQ offers money to HUngarian troops to quit Iraq

In German, I can get a gist of it, my German is way too rusty, but if someone here with better command of the lingo is willing to translate, would be nice. It is a snippet of an intercepted com between jihadis and they obviously gloat about using human shields, almost as if they were talking about cattle. From Spiegel

BTW, I am now ördög Johnson. It is a tribute to our lizard king, but also translation of my last name to English, so utterly appropriate on both counts.

254 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:54:40pm

#243   Rayra the Trollslayer

Is it just me or have there been about three oil refinery explosions in the last couple of weeks? I hate to come across as paranoid, but...

255 Tasty Beverage  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:56:47pm

#221 quark2

Are they still going at it there?

No. Charles decided to hide the thread, and any attempts to enter said thread just bring up the LGF front page. I think comments ended in the 30's (I was on the thread when Charles nuked it, and "refreshing" the page also brought me to the front page). It mostly consisted of confused minions asking what the hell was going on, and if the Lizardoid King was okay, what with all he does every day for all of us and the world in general, in addition to his work-related responsibilities.

We ♥ you Charles.

256 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:58:24pm

pdob, as I understand it refineries like to explode with little or no notice. There may be an unusual number of them, or it might just be a coincidence.

257 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 7:58:56pm

Kind of like rats getting cancer. It's just something rats do, they get cancer.

258 Mike  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:00:54pm

To post comments at Kos's site you have to register with a valid email address and then wait a day. It also says something about waiting a week for new threads?

??????

whatever..... the loser is angry he got nailed and people will be reaching out to him a lot less now than before.... yet Charles's backers and the people on here are for the most part solid as a fin rock.........
Says something about the overall character of people here.

Mike

259 NTropy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:00:56pm

BTW

If anybody's read the Kos entry in question, it seems like that nitwit stalker of Charles has posted his email discussion and search terms on every single site mentioned here. Winds of Change, Daily Kos for sure. He's probably the one behind Jheka's problems. Way too much energy being used in a destructive manner.

Doctor - Ritilin please!

260 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:04:51pm

#229 Innismir-

Sorry, Innismir -- looks like I read you wrong, in the midst of trying to do 100 things at once. I deleted comment #17.

What, huh? I'm confused. Did I do something on comment 17? I don't remember.

Maybe I'm just tired. Time to go to bed.

Tired, eh?
I bet you were hard at work on that website.

261 Frank IBC  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:05:29pm

Zorkmidden -

Ooops, wrong link! Should have been ^^this^^ one.

262 MakeMyDay  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:07:07pm

'KOSsaks' - I like that :-) Captures THAT mob quite nicely. I could easily imagine them doing a 'peaceful' pogrom.

This latest attack on Charles is particularly moronic. The quotes 'Morpheum' is pulling are entirely unobjectionable. 'Zeyad at the Iraqi blog Healing Iraq reinforces my point, that the atrocity we saw in Fallujah is not unusual for Iraq (or for the larger Arab world, where the honor-shame dynamic almost mandates such scenes)' is not a 'lovely call for genocide in Iraq', but an undeniable fact that anyone familiar with history of modern Iraq can confirm.

And then we have the lovely insult to Islamic women, like this:

(Accompanying a photo of Islamic women in traditional garb) I don't know why more people - especially women - aren't converting to Islam. They make it seem so inviting.

'Morpheus' must be talking about this photo -- the 'garb' in question is fundamentalist rather than traditional and really brings to mind the Dark Ages.

'Hate Like an Egyptian' -- well, duh! It is really telling that 'Morpheus' has a problem with Charles' witty caption, but not with hatred emanating from Egyptian media, clerics, universities etc etc.

From the comments section on the Morpheus thread it looks like one Ben Rometsch went on a jihad against the LGF and started bothering Hosting Matters, but was told in no uncertain words to go away. This inspires optimism.

But, all being said, I don't know if it is such a good idea to have political ads on a blog. I am afraid that it may 'dampen' the freedom, so to speak.

263 Kevin P. Johnson (sometimes)  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:07:39pm

Cheers to hostmatters.com!

Abuse Investigations wrote:

I'm not sure what further clarification is needed here. We have told people,
including yourself, that any specific, credible threat will be investigated.
I'm afraid that your opinion of the links below as "advocating war crimes"
is not one that is accepted by us when reading these comments in context.
Nor are these items a specific, credible threat, unless you know one of
these posters has a nuclear device hidden somewhere or that they can
convince someone to push a button to launch a missile against a
country/city/person. The comments may be nasty, and they may be things with
which you or I do not agree. They are not, however, cause for removal of
them by us, nor are they cause for removal of the site under which they were
posted. If you believe the posts should be removed, you can contact the site
holder with whatever rationale you have for such an action.


LMFAO!


Kos, I think Mike Hunt (crazy KKKathryn Cramer) is available to nurse you.

264 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:09:01pm

You just love that guy don't you Frank :-)

265 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:10:11pm

#261 Frank IBC

Ooops, wrong link! Should have been ^^this^^ one.

Oh yes, much better... The classic ghost link :-P

266 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:10:42pm

No, click his nick :-)

267 ördög Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:11:51pm

#254 pdob

Probably accidents, but I am sure that if there are some suspicious circumstances, it would not escape to the investigators.

Howerer, there has been quite a traffic on jihadi channels lately, talking about disrupting US economy by targetting infrastructure during this summer. Instead of big 'splosions, many small papercuts is the word.
Which point to a conclusion that someone should keep a watchfull eye on muslim students on US campuses. (I know, best soultion would be to send them to their particular countries over summer, but am not sure how practical that idea may be... even better, telling them to leave and not to come back, but I am from another planet).

268 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:12:29pm

Frank IBC

Silly zorkmidden, took a while, sorry...

So, evariste... ;-)

269 Frank IBC  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:13:51pm

#264 -

It's that Mona Lisa-like smile of his.

Plus the thought of eating sushi off of that belly of his.

:P

270 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:14:28pm

OMG I think I'm gonna vomit! LOL!

271 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:15:03pm

Thanks evariste, it took me a while, not at my brightest today...

Frank IBC

You're getting better looking with each post!

272 Morgan  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:15:47pm

OT
Not all leftists are idiotarians: read this speech by Rep. Howard Berman (D-North Hollywood)

[Link: www.jewishjournal.com...]

" . . . And one of the most revealing indicators of the Arab world’s stagnation is the fact that only 330 books are translated into Arabic per year in the whole region. In an area encompassing 22 countries and 280 million people, fewer books have been translated in the past 1,000 years than Israel has translated since last year’s Warschaw lecture!

To state my point in another way: Israel and America won’t have stable, long-term, peaceful relations with the Palestinian Authority or Egypt, for example, until they’re across the negotiating table from a truly democratic Palestine or Egypt."

273 Faigalah MD.  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:17:24pm

ONE OF THEIR POSTS:

``Two suggestions (none / 0)


Post a few quotes and who said em.
Try getting some quotes that appear to be anti-christian or anti-religion. Sounds counterintuitive, but this is an anti-gay dominionist republican. If we can make it seem like he is getting antichrist at LGF, he'll run.

``
The nerve of it..As a gay guy (and at least 10 other gay friends) as well as being proud Jews...find LGF to be my/our favourite website and agree fully with most of the sentiment.

I hve never found homophobia here...how dare they ...grrrr....

274 Ms. Andi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:17:31pm

Oh Frank, no. You can do better than that. :(

275 NTropy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:21:49pm

Back to the Kos post

Regarding posts on the site:
Take a look at the bottom; don't you just love his IndyMedia inspired "hidden"? Guess that means no posts are ever deleted. Just not left up to challenge the status quo. "HEY! That's not party line I'm going to, to hmmmm I know, I hide your comment, yeahhh. That way I can still feel good about allowing free speach. Yeahhhh"

276 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:24:38pm
#254 pdob 4/8/2004 09:54PM PST
#243 Rayra the Trollslayer

Is it just me or have there been about three oil refinery explosions in the last couple of weeks? I hate to come across as paranoid, but...

Isn't just you. I linked one from Texas City, TX just the other day.


#257 evariste tchopovier johnson 4/8/2004 09:58PM PST
Kind of like rats getting cancer. It's just something rats do, they get cancer.

Dang. That's a relief. Somebody tell the medical lab boys. ::lights up DDT-laced Cig::

277 Ms. Andi  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:24:46pm

#273 Faigalah MD.

They're (the Kos folks) sad and desperate. Though, I will admit to being afraid of Frank's faux boyfriends.

278 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:25:45pm

#256   evariste tchopovier johnson

That's kind of comforting to hear. Thanks.

#260   evariste tchopovier johnson

I bet you were hard at work on that website.

Oy, such schadenfreude!

279 Spiny Norman  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:27:12pm

What's with the Johnson stuff? And what comment 17? Was it a bad joke, uhh, gone bad? And what's up with Jheka? Is Kathryn "Screech" Cramer pulling some kind HWSNBN threat?

I can't keep up around here... I miss (part of!) a day and I'm totally in the dark. I'm assuming everybody being "Johnson" is a salute to our blog-meister, and a slap at the New Banshee?

280 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:29:08pm

#273   Faigalah MD

I hve never found homophobia here...how dare they ...grrrr....

The Kooky Kos Krowd will doubtless hate us for showing a distinct lack of homophobia. Pity!

281 evariste tchopovier johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:29:12pm

Not sure who started the "adding a Johnson to your nick" thing, I think it was Rayra. What's the story Rayra?
As for comment 17, we won't be discussing that.

282 tradewind  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:31:37pm

Tracking back to our buddy Morph's stats oughta be self explanatory re his twisted thinking... check out 'interests'....

283 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:32:51pm

Spiny Norman

I'm assuming everybody being "Johnson" is a salute to our blog-meister

We're all adopting the name Johnson in order to confuse the enemy.

284 Rayra Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:38:34pm

OT - anyone find some good sources on Syrian Jordanian Iranian Saudi nationals KIA / Captured in Iraq this week?

285 ördög Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:40:05pm

#283 zorkmidden sometimes johnson

I'm assuming everybody being "Johnson" is a salute to our blog-meister

We're all adopting the name Johnson in order to confuse the enemy.

Both. Nothwithstanding that, as I noted, Johnson is my last name translated into English.

286 NTropy  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:41:54pm

OT

I have to believe that I'm responsible for the daily total number chaning so rapidly. I reload like a son of a gun to keep up with you people on several threads.

287 NY Nana Rabinovitz Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:46:16pm

Every family needs a Jewish grandmother! I can noodge the kosniacs to death!

#111 Zorkmidden

all that 10 times really fast

I just did! :) It is a bit sloooooow, though, as I was off-line!

288 Kos  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:49:25pm

Charles! Call off your dogs like NY Nana, she just made a death threat to my entire readership!

289 Spiny Norman  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:49:44pm

#283 zorkmidden sometimes johnson

We're all adopting the name Johnson in order to confuse the enemy.

Well, in that case... Confuse away!

=^)

290 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:50:35pm

#285 ördög Johnson

Johnson is my last name translated into English.

Even better for the extra spy-work needed on the International Lizardoid Conspiracy takeover.

291 Spiny Norman  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:53:28pm

I know it's you evariste,

Speaking of threats, is someone threatening Jheka? Is some Morlock from DU, or Kathryn the Screech's kaffee klatch pulling a HWSNBN stunt?

292 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:54:54pm

Yeah, Kooky K's whole gang got together and ordered crap loads of stuff in Jheka's name, spammed the California bar with complaints about him, etc ad nauseam.

293 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:57:03pm

Dang, really?

294 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:57:39pm

#288 Kos/evariste

LOL

NY Nana

noodge

Watch out NY Nana, you might be accused of hate speech :-P

295 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:57:46pm

#283 zorkmidden sometimes johnson 10:32PM We're all adopting the name Johnson in order to confuse the enemy.
Rayra started it. I thought it would be helpful see my post #212 to name as many regulars as possible adding the name "Johnson" at the end; however, I didn't remember all of the regulars nics, and couldn't get the hell out of my comment to hunt y'all down and hoped Rev. Churchmouse would follow up. Alas!
No disrespect intended, I assure you to zorkmidden, V the K, Ed Moran, Ms. Andit et.al. but it's really late (on a work night) and, well, I'm an older guy and experienced a senior moment trying to come up with all the names!
It was my intent to show our affection and respect for Charles; and to let him know how much we care for and respect him
If Kos or any other sonofabitch(es) want to go hunting for Charles, they'll have to go thru me and anyone else who is willing to add the "Johnson" to their nic.

296 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:57:52pm

Oops, I meant:

#292   evariste

Dang, really?

297 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:58:22pm
298 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 8:58:49pm

Click my link in #297, pdob!

299 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:00:52pm

I only had read a little about Jheka and the Cramer thing. What does HWSNBN stand for?

300 pdob  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:03:45pm

#298   evariste

Jeez, how friggin' dumb do you have to be to do something like that to a lawyer? (rhetorical question) Nevermind that it's immature, petty, and vile. It's just plain dumb.

301 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:03:56pm

He Who ShaN't Be Named, a former antisemitic regular named Ranbutan who went totally psycho and tried to get another regular, mommydoc, fired from her job, posted her personal info, etc. He became HWSNBN because in those days if his name was mentioned he would appear on that thread like clockwork, so to avoid it HWSNBN became the term to refer to him by. He's permanently banished.

302 Spiny Norman Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:06:06pm
They don't seem to care that, aside from wasting my time, they are hurting people and legitimate businesses who will be providing products and services that they will never be paid for (if I can'n contact them in time to stop shipment) and that they are breaking the law. Well, they may soon care about that second part.

Beautiful. Bwahahahaha!

303 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:06:31pm

This is the first I've heard that those scumbags are ordering stuff in Jheka's name and filing complaints against him with the California bar.
As I'm sure Jheka knows, filing false complaints (at least under the NY Bar rules) is actionable. And I'm quite certain that ordering stuff in his name is fraud in California as it is in New York.
Jheka - if you could use the pro bono services of a NY lawyer to deal with this, PLEASE just contact me. These "people" need to learn that their hateful, disgraceful actions will have consequences.

304 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:07:36pm

#295 realwest johnson

Sorry I hadn't seen your post (so many threads so little time), but I noticed Rayra and you and other people adding johnson, and I figured out the cause. Are we succeeding yet? :-)

I ♥ LGF

I ♥ Charles

305 SpinyNormanJohnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:09:40pm

evariste,

if his name was mentioned he would appear on that thread like clockwork, so to avoid it HWSNBN became the term to refer to him by. He's permanently banished.

Like Beetlejuice's evil twin. Which is what I use to called him, just so he wouldn't materialize. He didn't think it was funny... go figure.

=^O

306 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:11:11pm

Spiny, LOL. realwest, you should email Jheka, I'm sure he'll appreciate your offer but I don't think he's reading this thread.

307 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:12:32pm

#301 evariste

Thanks evariste. I had read some of mommydoc's older posts (she doesn't post as often as she used to) and she's one of the most sane people here. I suppose it's the sane people who attract the maniacs, look at zulubaby and the trolls...

308 teal marie  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:13:32pm

Instead of trolls, we seem to get poltergeist activity these days. Frankly, I prefer troll. But, I'll be careful what I wish for.
Is trollop a girl troll?

309 SpinyNormanJohnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:15:54pm
look at zulubaby and the trolls...

Could we get zulubaby without the trolls?

/Python Spam sketch

310 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:20:58pm

#309 SpinyNormanJohnson

Could we get zulubaby without the trolls?

LOL
Convince her to change that special perfume of hers ;-)

311 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:21:08pm

#306 evariste I did so yesterday - no response, but I'm sure he knows the score and knows that I'm willing to help anyway I can.
What a bunch of irresponsible, nasty scum they are. Jeez people disagree with me on LGF (go figure!!) but disagreeing is different from hating in a truly pyscopathic
manner. In other words, these people are sick and/or evil.
Fuck 'em all.

312 SwampWoman Johnson?  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:23:23pm

Oh, man, 2:30 a.m. again. I SWORE I'd be to bed in time to get up all bright eyed and happy tomorrow. Well. Guess maybe I'll settle for droopy bloodshot eyes.
People goin' to assume I have a helluva drinkin' problem instead of reading addiction.

G'nite, y'all. G'nite, big daddy Charles.

313 NY Nana Johnson (it's been shortened)  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:23:27pm

#294 Zorkmidden sometimes Johnson

Not to worry. I see there are a number of qualified attorneys here.

I had a thought...my infamous recipe for Passover Lemon Meringue Pie was registered in 36 states, and the DC as a lethal weapon! It was years ago, and I still get teased. I could, however, print the recipe...

A Jewish mother can noodge so subtly that it is an art form, and also instills such fear in a child.....subtle, I ain't!

When it comes to defending Charles and LGF, watch out, LLL schmucks...we know who you are. I also still have the recipe and the ingredients! Be afraid, be very afraid.

G'nite!

314 cheshirecat johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:24:53pm

Good lord, don't you guys ever go to bed?
lol

315 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:25:01pm

I just read Jheka's post. I can't believe what he's going through! And for what reason? For speaking his mind. Does Charles know about this?

316 Tim  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:25:53pm

Poor Kos, he is gone in the head.

Bring it beeyatch!

317 Robert  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:27:54pm

Over in the land of Koz they got an email addy to the candidate advertising here so I took the liberty of emailing the good candidate and here is a copy of my email:

Hello,

My name is Robert XXX, and recently your advertisment at [Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...] has probably garnered alot of emails and phone calls from individuals who are complaining about its existence on the above website. I just wanted to tell you to please do not bow down to their pressure to pull your ad! The individuals who are formenting this campaign are doing so out of revenge. Please examine the link and see for yourself, [Link: www.dailykos.com...] This was begin by Markos Zuniga who stated that those Contractors who died in Fallujeh were mercanries and that he felt nothing about their deaths and actually said to "Screw them." This unAmerican and IMHO unhuman opinion was viewed and subsequently commented on to the point that various democratic sponsers to [Link: www.dailykos.com...] pulled their advertisment (for authentication please view [Link: www.instapundit.com)....] Since Markos has lost revenue he has sought revenge and is targeting Little Green Footballs as part 1 of his strategy. I respectfully urge you not to give in.

Most Respectfully,

I dont know if he or anyone in his staff will actually investigate it..one can only hope.

318 zorkmidden sometimes johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:28:51pm

#314 cheshirecat johnson

We're waiting for the next shift of johnsons to take over so we can go to bed.

319 Tim  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:29:15pm

I just called Coffmans HQ and told him to stand firm with LGF. I suggest you do the same. Call him at 859-224-0600 and tell him to ignore the Zuniga and his fanatics!

320 evariste  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:30:44pm

It's 1:30 in the morning Kentucky time, I suggest you wait until morning to call and support them, and I suggest you make a donation to the campaign as well.

321 SpinyNormanJohnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:32:47pm

What's with the trolls and women bloggers? Michele at A Small Victory has to deal with the nastiest little shits on a regular basis. You know the type: the overgrown adolescents that think misogyny is a form of therapy... which leads to my pet theory: they're cowards that believe they'll get more of an emotional reaction from a woman than they would from a man.

322 SpinyNormanJohnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:36:46pm

#314 cheshirecat johnson

Good lord, don't you guys ever go to bed?

Never! We're the unstoppable Insomniac Brigade. Our Commanding Officer zulubaby should be around here somewhere...

323 Athos Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:37:16pm

I'm a little with Spiny Norman Johnson - #279 -

Take an evening off for an interesting dinner with friends and !!!!!!??????

This thread, and then the link to Jheka's post??!!!!

Really, the stuff from Kos and in particular the morlocks and numbnuts breast feeding off of Cramer is unbelievable.

Talk about stepping on their johnsons (with spikes I might add) to get at our C. Johnson.

#311 Realwest Johnson has it pegged -

What a bunch of irresponsible, nasty scum they are. Jeez people disagree with me on LGF (go figure!!) but disagreeing is different from hating in a truly pyscopathic

Fuck 'em all.

or sic' Evolutions Eve Johnson on 'em all.

Release the power of the pit for good......

324 a johnson f  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:38:42pm

Jheka: if I can be of any help let me know. I know Cramer has accused you of a lot of crap including posting with my nick.

Anything you need, just ask. The woman is seriously mentally ill in my opinion. But I still think she needs to be held accountable.

Again, anything at all... just ask.

325 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:44:14pm

318 zorkmidden sometimes johnson - yeah - where the hell are they??!!!
Gotta get some sleep - I can wait another 15, er 10 or 5 minutes, but THAT'S IT!!! Jeez it's 2:45 A FUCKING M on the right coast!!!!!

326 zorkmidden johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 9:50:55pm

realwest johnson

I too hope to be relieved of my duty soon. However, until then, I shall not leave the barracks unattended.

(Helloooo! Anybody up in the U.K.?)

327 realwest Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:00:49pm

326 zorkmidden johnson - I hear ya, brother. I hate to say this but I just cannot stay awake!! Where the hell are the reserves (and never mind the UK or Europe, where the hell are all the left coast buds (well, ok zulubaby has probably just started clubbin' - ducks and heads for DEEP cover!!). I mean, it's only a couple a minutes until midnight for them!!!

328 Athos Johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:09:09pm

Yo, Realwest Johnson - I'm here for a while.

Get some kip. You got the early am shift.

329 zorkmidden johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:09:47pm

realwest johnson

I think I'm the last one standing of the Left-Coast-Lizards, and my scales are feeling droopy as well. zulubaby has long left the building, and Charles and the gang are listening to music in the other thread. Sleep well, and keep the scales shining!

Left-Coast-Lizardoid-Minion signing off

330 zorkmidden johnson  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:12:32pm

Whew, Athos Johnson, glad you're taking over. Keep it up lizards!

331 mike_hunt_muhammad  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:28:00pm

It must suck being a weak looooser like kos

'screw him'

332 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:29:24pm

Zuniga seems intent on destroying whatever future he might have had in the Democratic party. First he bungles the damage control for his foolish statement, and now he choses to engage in a juvenille "blog war" that promises to make him even more toxic to any serious Democratic candidate.

He's made himself politically radioactive.

The proper course of action for an astute politician would have been:

A) Retract stupid comments and apologize sincerely.

B) Refuse any more comment on the issue and ignore any attempt to bait you into discussing it.

C) Change the subject and get people to focus on other issues.

This man obviously lacks the cleverness to be a politician, or to advise others on how to be a successful politician.

333 tom  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:32:36pm

Just thought I'd point out that Kos himself isn't making this post, it's actually a different user. So calling up the campaign and saying Kos is taking revenge isn't 100% correct.

334 Athos  Thu, Apr 8, 2004 10:41:42pm

#332 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo

This man obviously lacks the cleverness to be a politician, or to advise others on how to be a successful politician.

I would normally agree with your entire post, and your conclusion.

Unfortunately, the tenor of the political environment and campaign today is very different. From the Carter / Reagan ideological issues to the Clintons to Gore / Bush to Dean and the infliction of BDS on so many - this really seems to be yet another front in WW4 - the war after the Cold War.

There is something really wrong, morally, fundamentally, intellectually when cause / effect or comments / reactions are driven by ideology and not basic fundamental right and wrong.

To put a partisan hat on - would the great democrats of the 1st half of the 20th century recognize their party today?

335 Chuck Pelto  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:03:34am

TO: Athos
RE: Politics a la Mode

"To put a partisan hat on - would the great democrats of the 1st half of the 20th century recognize their party today?" -- Athos

A good point. I think the last great Democrat president was Harry S. Truman. And I think he'd switch parties, as did our own Ben Nighthorse Campbell, much to his credit.

Since then, they have gone down-hill dramatically. Johnson being the worst administration in American history and Clinton being very close behind him.

These days, the Democrats have become nothing but desparate political hooligans who can do nothing but spew venom and sow discord.

I wonder what sort of political party will take their place over the next 50 years.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

336 Athos  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:42:15am

#335 Chuck Pelto

I wonder what sort of political party will take their place over the next 50 years.

At the present rate that its devolving today - it may not be pertinent well before 50 years go by - just one of those fringe parties.

An interesting poser - to speculate what would replace it. One would need to ask oneself - are you an optimist or a pessimist?

337 WriterMomJohnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 2:10:56am

Jeez you all were up late! My son woke me up at 6:00-no sleep in for me :(

I am happy to add writing and editing skills into the arsenal. If anyone needs to write a really scary letter, or wants to pen an op-ed piece, I'm happy to help write and/or edit.

338 Billy Pickering  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 2:38:05am

A message to kos and the kos kids.

We ARE NOT removing our ad from LGF.

We think it might be a good idea for you to heed some words of wisdom - "To those that would cast the first stone...."

Keep the emails and phone calls coming kos kids. We welcome your opinions though we reserve the right to disagree.

You folks here at LGF have been great! The support you've shown, especially since the attacks by the libbys on Kos is something to see.

We appreciate the donations and the words of support from all of you.

Billy Pickering
Campaign Manager
Coffman for Congress

339 Ed Moran: abu Big Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 3:04:59am

Goody, a couple of early Friday threads to read already.


224 Rayra the Trollslayer 4/8/2004 09:19PM PST


realwest johnson, that's a sh*tload of Johnsons.
What say we all go to Howard Johnson's for some PANCAKES.


Am I the only one who thought about "Blazing Saddles"?

340 The Jew  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 3:09:10am

It amazes me that every time I read anything against this stie they call you neo-nazis, hate mongers, or racists. These people need to have their heads checked.

This site supports Jews it supports moderate muslims when they actually say something that makes sense, and it supports people the believe in the simple fact: There are freedoms that should be gauranteed to all people everywhere.

341 Billy Pickering  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 3:15:45am

Because of my "upbringing" I can't hate those that seem to hate me because of who I am and what I stand for.

Our nation was built on principles that allow kos and others to voice their opinions regardless of the hate that inspires them.

To Kos and the Kos Kids, "I love you man!"

342 WriterMom  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 3:17:53am

Ed Moran-no pancakes today, friend. It's still Passover;)

Have some matzah-won't you?

343 Powderfinger Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:06:51am

Damn, the lizards were busy last night!

More perspective: "Splodeydope" - 629 entries.

Oh, the hate!

More perspective: The scoreboard on Kos.


Favorite quotes:

Get me am email addres man....or a page link.

Try Google, you lazy, non-thinking, entitled, halfwit keyboard warrior.


Or should we kick it up a notch and get Majority Report to target one congressperson per evening and announce their Democratic opponent?

Absolutely. The LLL isn't nearly shrill enough. It is imperitive that you contact Republicans and let them know that you don't like Republicans.

Are we incapable of fighting back?

Ummmm....YES.

I want to talk to him, personally. [Ed. Candidate Coffman] This is a democracy, afterall.

Coffman is kinda busy. Try George Bush.

If we can make it seem like he is getting antichrist at LGF, he'll run.

When reality won't work, try illusion. And you nitwits want to pull the levers of governance??

I'm astonished that they managed to secure a political ad from anyone with a reasonable shot at any public office in this country.

I mean Kos doesn't have any, and he's supposed to be a Democrat hotshot!

Too funny. great thread.

Charles, hang in there, brother.

Angry in a quiet way that makes me even more determined, in my limited little blog with its limited reach and influence, to keep exposing these toads, turning over the rocks, showing them for what they are, before they succeed in ripping the heart out of Western civilization and turning it over to the barbarians at the gates.

That's righteous anger. You're fighting the good fight. And your blog is not so little :-)

Good morning, all.

344 Patrick  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:16:51am

For what it's worth, I just sent $25 to Mr Coffman, to thank him for standing his ground against the false accusations against LGF.

345 superfly  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:29:01am

Someone should point out to them that the reason a search for the word "[bigoted word]" results in 34 hits is because the word "head" appears in 34 comments.

346 David Simon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:41:22am

#338 Billy Pickering - You can thank the Kos kids for bringing your ad to my attention. You'll be receiving a check from me as well.

347 Robert  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:45:01am

#338 Billy Pickering!

Thank you for the statement it is really appreciated! You have made my morning!

348 catzmeow  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:45:45am

On the same site as #243 linked by Rayra:

South Park grad killed in Iraq
April 7, 2004
One of those lost in battle this week in Baghdad was a local soldier.

David McKeever graduated from South Park High School seven years ago and he immediately joined the Army after graduation.

The 25-year-old Army sergeant reportedly was killed Monday, when his unit came under attack in Baghdad. McKeever was serving with the 1st Armored Division and word is he was scheduled to leave Iraq two weeks from today.

McKeever leaves behind a wife and one-year old son. He's also survived by his parents and five siblings.

There's no word yet on funeral arrangements for McKeever. He's the seventh Western New York native killed while serving in Iraq since March of last year.

One-year old Dylan McKeever was just three months old when his father was sent to war in Iraq last may. He will never get the chance to know his dad.

Recently promoted to sergeant, McKeever had joined the military right after he graduated from South Park High School in 1997.

“Nice kid, good kid, easy going,” said Paul Casseri, the Principal of South Park High. “I'd see him in the hallways, always say 'hello.'”

Casseri was a teacher when McKeever and his five siblings attended the school.

“Really nice family,” said Casseri. “Like Ii say, David and all his brothers and sisters were important part of South Park.”

South Park High School has lost dozens of its graduates to the battlefield. This community has paid the price in the fight to protect our nation's freedoms, and bring freedom to people around the world.

A stone memorial lists the names of 121 South Park alumni killed in World War Two. Other plaques inside the school list the names of more graduates who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Source

Do you think there is a chance that we might combine our anger here and do something for the survivors of these brave men? Let's not lose focus because of a few nitwit trolls.

Catz
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349 Ger aka O Johnson my Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:55:37am

#342, and anyone else:

Is there a such thing as Kosher for Pesach beer? I know it sounds like an odd request, but geez...

350 David  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:58:31am

Typical liberal bs. Attempt to surpress anything that you don't agree with, since on a level playing field your ideas will lose.

351 Mycroft Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:00:41am

Search results for globular cluster (160 matches)

Search results for globular clusters (147 matches)

352 Ger aka Johnson Johnson Johnson Eggs and Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:02:01am

FWIW, the Konniving Kostic Krew have inspired me to hit the LGF tipjar.

Blogwars: the web's analogy to a fundraising event... sort of.

353 madmark Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:19:14am

#220 pdob

Thanks... now I have to poke my mind's eye out with a stick...

354 lizzy  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:34:56am

459
im afraid not, my man!
youll just have to wait till chag is over to have a beer
me, im happy with pesach wine... drink enough of it, and the world seesm a be-yoootiful dream,,, hick up!

355 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:36:04am

Funny thread.

RWC (#227)

However, a slightly easier way is to have them offer zulu a light.

LOL, I'm not that strong!

356 Ed Moran:Abu Big Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:00:32am

Passover lasts what, eight days? And for that entire time, Jews can't eat a sandwich? Does tortillas or pitas count as unleavened bread?

Did you guys already have the night with lamb and bitter herbs?

I'm not sure about bitter herbs, but I'd love the lamb part.

357 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:05:48am

Hi guys. I'm late to this because I have been dealing with more Cramer crap and my first honest to god hate mail. I have been actively posting what I'd term frank and occasionally controversial opinions on the web for some 2 years, here, on DU and elsewhere (with my e-mail always attached) and this is the first piece of real hate mail that I have ever gotten. I think that it's actually from the Ukraine (uar.net is the Ukrainian host ... isn't it lucky for me that I happen to be able to send a message in russian . . .) OK, ready for it?

Here it is:


From: "V.Y." Add to Address Book
To: belitskylaw@yahoo.com
Subject: FUCK YOU FILTHY JEW BOY!
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:58:31 +0300


YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR STINKING HOLE... FILTHY JEW!


Succinct and to the point, don't you think?

Allow me to respond:

Dear V.Y.:

No. But say hi to all of the other Jew-haters for me. And give a big hug to Kathryn if you should see her. She must be oh so very proud of you as an outspoken representative of her readers.

358 Ger aka Bite my Johnson, Kos!  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:08:15am

#354

Heh, I had too much Manny the other night. Schweeeeet!!! It made my cough go away, tho.

Last night Mrs. Ger made lasagne from matzah. I made some really awful migas (Mexican egg dish) with broken-up matzah. I've had more matzah sandwiches than I care to remember.

It's all good, tho. I'll eat matzah every day if it helps me to remember tougher times for the tribe. Despite all the absolutely wicked stuff happening, I see a pic like this one, and I think it's gonna be ok somehow.

359 Gordon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:30:20am

Get off your holier-than-thou high horse, Charles. Economic boycotts of advertisers and products have become a common staple of modern-day politics since Cesar Chavez and his California grapes. There's nothing stupid about what Kos is doing in urging that your advertisers be boycotted. That is, it's no more stupid than your similar urgings earlier.

Maybe you should just ignore your blog critics just like you ignore me... You're getting a thin skin and rabbit ears.

360 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:37:39am

Gordon:

Given the number of times you've smeared Charles and others on this blog (and ran off with your tail between your legs when confronted about it), why do you suppose you are still tolerated?

I'm sincerely curious, because I just can't see a good reason. You bring so little to the table. Your thoughts?

361 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:40:57am

Jheka (#357)

I'm sorry you're going through all this stress. That e-mail is repulsive but that's the best that they can do, the malicious trolls, accuse you of being a Jew. The horror!

362 Gordon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:41:40am

#360 Jheka: Thoughts, thoughts, what thoughts?

Most of my "smears" remain unanswered satisfactorily. And then people like you claim I "ran off." Weird.

363 Austin  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:44:10am

Zuniga is merely expressing his pain. I mean that quite literally. He's still smarting over the beating he took.

364 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:54:12am

#362 Gordon:

Thoughts, thoughts, what thoughts?

Well, that's you in a nutshell, isn't it?

You didn't run off? Allow me to remind you of some questions that you still haven't answered.

365 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:58:51am

#357 Jheka --- I haven't been getting hate-email, but the SPAM in my inbox has spiked considerably in the last week.

Also, about Gordo. Best to just ignore him, or refute his more rabid and inane contributions in a detached and indirect manner. For some reason, Gordo personalizes almost every comment he makes into an attack on Charles. Which comes across, to me, looking a bit like a desperate plea for attention. "Notice me, Daddy! Notice me!"

366 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:01:02am

Or, perhaps more accurately, the initial comment is almost always directed at Charles, and subsequent invective is directed at anyone who responds to the first comment.

367 NY Nana Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:04:24am

Kosher L'Pesach beer? Did I hear plainful wailings for this product?

Tastes great, less chametz

Ramapo Valley Brewery answers the question, "Why is this beer different from all other beers?" Because it's kosher for Passover

L'Chaim!

368 Austin  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:07:10am

Hey Gordon,

you should give credit to Charles for showing the kind of tolerance of people like you that Zuniga and his minions certainly do not.

I was a very brief guest on that site before I was banned. I'm no flamer. My crime? I merely dissented, like you do.

You get very good treatment here compared to what your counterpart receives from your Leftist buddies.

369 NY Nana Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:11:51am

This is quite an article for Ashkenazi (Jews of Eastern European heritage) Jews. Figures the French did this..

Interesting Times: Eat kitniyot

On Saturday night I was sent off on the Pessah equivalent of a combat mission - shopping. Everyone had the same idea: I'll beat the crowds by shopping a few days before the Seder. The supermarket was bursting with such brilliant crowd-beating people.

As an immigrant to Israel who keeps kosher, most of the year I relish being liberated from the Diaspora practice of scavenger-hunting for kosher products. Living in the Jewish state means having the freedom to pick anything off the shelf without using a magnifying glass. Every spring, however, I would regress to shopping like Sherlock Holmes, looking for signs of the dreaded kitniyot (legumes) that Ashkenazi Jews are told are not kosher for Pessah.

Adding insult to injury, not only am I reduced to hunting and pecking but to watching as my Sephardi brethren blissfully snap up anything that looks remotely tasty. Almost all the good stuff - cakes, cookies, humous - have kitniyot. Whole bakeries are verboten to the kitniyot-challenged.

From now on, no more. For all of you who have grown up with whole swaths of the Pessah menu closed off to you, I have good news. You can drop the whole kitniyot mania and feel good, even self-righteous, about it without making your holiday one iota less kosher, even from an Orthodox perspective.

The kitniyot custom, it turns out, is the religious equivalent of a computer virus whose only leg to stand on is that we have gotten used to it.

It all started about 700 years ago in France when someone got the bright idea that they would be more kosher than the next guy by not eating things that might be confused with the five grains that can become hametz if mixed with water and allowed to rise. The practice had barely had a chance to spread when rabbis of that time denounced it as a "foolish" and "mistaken" custom. Since it is a custom with no legal basis, there is not even an authoritative list of what "kitniyot" are, and the custom has expanded to include rice, corn, soy beans, string beans, peas, lentils, peanuts, mustard, sesame seeds, and poppy seeds.

Both Ashkenazi and Sephardi rabbis agree that it is not possible for any of these foods to become hametz. According to Conservative Rabbi David Golinkin, who wrote an exhaustive responsum on this subject, the only reason to observe this custom is to preserve an old and very widespread tradition.

There is more....re tortillas? Check with a Rabbi! See why they say 'Not easy being a Jew'? :)

370 fragmeyer  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:18:28am

The left-wing obscufication shuffle:

In response to this terrible post on the Kos board
I just wanted to point out the actual totals of that little search engine project conducted by (Dr., I assume) Babylonian:

Search results for [bigoted word]: 161
Instances of [bigoted word] found in actual LGF entries excepting comments: 0

[bigoted word]: 47
LGF entries: 0

[bigoted word]: 263
LGF entries: 0

Paleostinian: 355
LGF entries: 2

Nuke Mecca: 77
LGF entries: 0

That the "hate" comes mainly from a sarcastic crowd in the forums section seems to make no difference in Kos' jihad (sorry, personal struggle) against LGF.

A more intellectually creative Morlock would have also found the following (when searching including the comments section):

Nuke Israel: 81
Dirty jew: 53
Hope for islam: 16
Religion of peace: 148*

*-see what happens when you ignore sarcasm?

If anyone has an account on Kos' board please feel free to post this correction. I couldn't bring myself to register there.

371 NY Nana Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:19:52am

#361 Zheka

I can only agree with what Zulubaby #357 said.

I hope that you can take legal action against the bastards.

Please be careful! From the Urkraine? Figures that cretin would be from there. It never changes, does it?

372 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:25:25am

#371 NYNANA:

Thanks for the support. I'm from that part of the world and will be contacting their ISP in their native tongue.

373 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:28:01am

#368 --- Austin, I am reminded of a movie quote.

" It's understanding that makes it possible for people
like us to tolerate people like you." --- Ferris Bueller's Day Off

374 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:29:44am

Just a question---
I'm a liberal moonbat who actually enjoys a debate with those on the right. I actively read left policial commentary and that of the right, weighing both arguments the best I can...yet I have failed to read any type of constuctive commentary here at all. It seems to me that most of this tripe is purely "playground chatter" without any substance. I've read many other blogs here as well, and the all contain the same belligerent, aggressive arguments over and over and over again...

The Daily Kos has many who rant similarly, yet there is constructive arguments over policy, ferocious debate between liberals and usually civil discourse there as well. I really have to stretch to find any right view here that is at all contemplative. If you took the time to READ the blogs and forget the obvious political disagreement, maybe you might see some solid arguments present. So far, #54, Laertes actually has a valid point in which elaborates on. Why is that?

Also, I am a liberal who actually supports military action that has a clear and decisive objective, something entirely absent in Iraq. I never supported Hussein, yet still feel a pullout is needed - because we're in a war we can't win and a war that erodes out International credibility, kills our troops, divides our nation and ignores the real enemy, terrorism and those who sponsor it. Iraq doesn't have WMD, only has terrorsts now because our actions recruited those to help the "liberation" and diverts resources and personelle to the rest of the conflict. Can any of you actively dispute this without a personal attack???

375 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:39:02am

#374 Cerak

You should spend some time reading here. Yes, there is a lot of "chatter", but there is also a lot of substance.

As for your opinions on Iraq, let me ask you: if we pull all of our troops out of there today, what do you think will happen 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 10 years from now?

Given what will happen, is it worth it to pull out before the job is done?

The problem with your view, imho, is that you are exclusively focused on a few trees, and you are not seeing the forest - iow, you are taking a short-term view of what must be viewed in the long-run.

376 Austin  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:41:03am

Cerak,

true, most of it is venting. But I've been to Daily Kos and it's no different. And you're "ferocious debate between liberals" looked more like mutual masturbation to me. When someone does appear to even question their Liberal/Lefty paradigm, they get banned. I'm not a flamer, and I kept it civil, yet that is exactly what happened to me. You Cerak, would get banned from this site after a few more posts if Charles ran this place like Zuniga does.

377 fragmeyer  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:43:57am

Cerak:

because we're in a war we can't win

I disagree with you here. I feel we can win, and that if we do not we will end up being subject to the whims of local terrorists, a la Spain.

ignores the real enemy, terrorism and those who sponsor it


To say that Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism, when Saddam himself paid the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, when Saddam himself killed more Muslims that any other Muslim in history, is simply incorrect and shows a lack of understanding about the nature of terrorism and the definition of sponsorship (giving money = sponsorship).


kills our troops

...as opposed to Iraqi thugs having nothing better to do with their time than killing their own citizens, or plotting to kill our citizens?...

divides our nation

And would you chacterize Condi Rice and Donald Rumsfeld as frothing partisans, or Bob Kerry and Ted Kennedy?


Was that civil enough for you, commrade?

378 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:45:20am

The strategy in Iraq is two-fold. First, there is the flypaper strategy. Draw the terrorists into combat with armed and trained US soldiers rather than leaving them free to prey on unarmed American civilians. The left alternative seems to be to treat the issue as a law enforcement matter (putting parking tickets on car boms) and to hire more "first responders" to clean up the blood after the terrorists strike again. (First responders who, incidentally I'm sure, would belong to the same public employee unions that vote overwhelmingly democrat and provide beaucoup campaign support as well.)

The second part is that, in the long run, the only way to permanently rid ourselves of terrorism is to democratize the Middle East. Even the establishment of a ramshackle democracy in Iraq would be a step in that direction. Of all the nations in the Middle East only one, Israel, has democratic governance. Arabs have a right to govern themselves as much as Europeans, and once they do, they will turn away from terrorism, so the thinking goes. It may not work, but it is worth the attempt.

Yes, the cost in blood in treasure in Iraq is high, but the consequences of not trying to change that area of the world would be far more costly.

379 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:46:59am

Thom -
Thanks for the reply...I will read more, as I am interested in having further debate with someone like yourself...

However, much as there is bile spewed forth here, many liberals do the same. The Kos does contains those that infuriate even me, and I'd consider myself a liberal socialist.

Does anyone feel a need for a blog that excludes the trolls of each side and facilitates discussion from both sides. Sadly, liberals and conservatives spend too much time reading opinion to reinforce their own views. All of America does that, I'm just as guilty. But I want a forum for debate between those on the right and left. Just as SOME liberals insinuate neo-cons as Nazis; there are those on the right that do the same to the left - unpatriotic, terrorists, etc etc etc. My point is, trying to see the forest from the trees, is there anywhere to find discussion from both sides. Kos lacks it, LGF lacks it...

Any suggestions?

380 NY Nana Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:50:04am

#372 Zheka

I know. That is why it seems that it is no coincidence (I do not believe in them) that the hate mail was from there.

As an attorney, you know best what to do. That you are in this situation is unreal. The LLL are not only throwbacks to another time, they are dangerous.

I remember when I was a liberal. It was not a dirty word. Sadly, the world has changed too much, and in the wrong directions. They no longer have flowers in their teeth..they wear brown shirts and carry weapons of vast destuction.

381 Ger aka viva Carlos Juanson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:50:16am

#367

Dang. I'm tempted to get some of that FedExed to me!

I used to brew beer at home back when I was cool.

Maybe I should get my gear out of the garage and brew some up for next year!

It actually sounds a bit like mead, which was pretty good when I had it at an Ethiopian restaurant a few years ago.

382 Reminder-For-Cerak174  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:53:24am
383 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:00:13am

#379 Cerak

A socialist will have a tough time here, I won't pretend otherwise. But, stick around and see what happens ...

384 Marc  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:01:36am

To your credit, Charles, all the liberals can do is play copy-cat and catch-up.

It does not appear that originality is an option for them.

385 S  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:03:49am

I'm with KOS on this. If you want nice-nice, you 'll need to try it yourself.

386 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:13:18am
I'm with KOS on this. If you want nice-nice, you 'll need to try it yourself.

Like the "nice" way in which Kos gloated over the deaths of civilian contractors in Iraq.

387 madmark Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:18:15am

#379 Cerak

I think trolls are a fact of life in the blogsphere.

It is hard for me to conceive of a place that could be made in the current political atmosphere (that allowed the public to comment and debate) that would not degenerate into:

"you suck"
"no, you suck and are a lefty"
"no, you suck and screw you"

I honestly think that what you and Thom have going here is as good as is can get, the worst of the nonsense is deleted and the rest is ignored or publicly flogged. It goes to prove that LGF CAN be a good place for debate as long as you don't start out with personal attacks and spew the talking points from the left and the right.

You did a very good (and rare) thing, Cerak. You started out with civility and honor. An example of how NOT to start a civil discorse on LGF is #359 Gordon

388 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:18:50am

#385 David:

Well, I guess you are with Kos and his ilk. Your entry in your blog entitled "Little Green Poopballs" (did you make that up all by yourself or do you have a five year old on staff who helps?) was a big hint.

389 Gordon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:47:08am

#364 Jheka: Linking to a previous post where you link to previous posts where you...

I thought I was watching "Passage to Marseilles" the 1944 Humphrey Bogart movie which has a flashback within a flashback.

If you want me to answer something, don't play a Russian shell doll game with me.

390 Gordon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:49:24am

#368 Austin: You are correct, Charles does not have a heavy finger for the "banning" button.

And don't call be a "leftist." On this site anyone to the left of Attila the Hun could be considered a "leftist."

391 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:56:26am

Thanks for the info...

As for the boat people, a nice story about the Kurds...couldn't help but notice it was from the NYPost...

As for Iraq, I thinks it's disquiting for Republicans when two of their most respected foreign policy heavy-weights have come out critical of the Bush Docrtine. McCain and Hagel are both skeptical of the current situation. Any thoughts on that.

I'm from Nebraska, "enemy" country by the accounts of liberals from the East and West coast, BUT I've found myself to have deep discussion about economics and foreign policies with the rural community.

What I wonder is how do you handle 2 men with serious cred. from the right challenging Bush and his boys? Compared to Hagel and McCain, the Bushies don't have a lot of ammo...with the exception of Powell, but I think he's completely discredited himself with false assertations at the UN and has little respect from his own cabinent members.

392 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:00:25am

#389 Gordon:

You can't click on a couple of links? They correspond with the number of times you've scurried away from the same question. You smeared Charles (and me, though these days it seems insignificant when judged on the Cramer scale) and didn't either back up your allegations or apologize for your smears. You want to be taken seriously? Take some responsibility for what you post (I seem to be saying this a lot lately).

393 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:02:25am
If you want me to answer something, don't play a Russian shell doll game with me.

Classic Gor-don.

394 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:05:02am

#391 Cerak

What are their objections to the "Bush Doctrine" (I put it in quotes because Bush abandoned his doctrine almost the moment he stated it) and what alternatives do they offer?

395 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:22:00am
BUT I've found myself to have deep discussion about economics and foreign policies with the rural community.

This is a, presumably inadvertent, example of why a lot of us find the elitism of the left so off-putting. You seem to come off as shocked that people in flyover country actually have thoughtful opinions and stuff. I don't think you meant to come across this way, however, the allcaps "BUT" that opens the clause conveys that impression of elitism. "Hey, look at that. Hicks CAN think."

As for the rest, McCain's stature is largely a media creation, and largely because he backed incumbent security campaign finance reform, which was very popular with the media elite. Hagel's stature comes largely from his lamprey-like attachment to McCain. You might as well say that Zell Miller's support of Bush's Iraq policy should be disquieting to democrats.

Also, are you suggesting that Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and John Negroponte are foregin policy lightweights? Or are they being discounted for the sin of being on the "wrong" side ideologically?

396 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:24:05am

Here, let me fix that...

As for the rest, McCain's stature is largely a media creation, and largely because he backed incumbent security campaign finance reform, which was very popular with the media elite. Hagel's stature comes largely from his lamprey-like attachment to McCain, and they both benefit from opposing Bush on several issues (tax cuts, for example) in which most of the media is also on the opposite side. You might as well say that Zell Miller's support of Bush's Iraq policy should be disquieting to democrats.

Also, are you suggesting that Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and John Negroponte are foregin policy lightweights? Or are they being discounted for the sin of being on the "wrong" side ideologically?

397 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:25:58am

Hagel began be chastizing Congress for ceding unilateral power to Bush on foreign policy issues, and even though he supported Bush's war, he has challenged Bush's ability to break accords in which the US has been party to for quite a while. Some include those of his father, other of Clinton, but his point was that our isolationist strategy of late was dangerous. To isolate ourselves, to ignore world opinion was a dangerous game for Bush to play into.

Secondly, both Hagel and McCain both have supported Kerry as of late on a variety of issues, mainly from being soft on defense.

Hagel also has challenged Bush to answer the questions posed by the 9/11 Commission...instead of a nasty smear campaign by those who seek to uncover the truth. Let's keep in mind this bipartisan commission is being quite effective in putting the pressure on those who continue to dodge the question. I think a lot of questions do need answering, which Bush is PURPOSEFULLY dodging, behind Cheney, and Hagel is challenging that.

McCain and Hagel I think are echoing more dissent from the right that many of you let on...there is something wrong in the White House, and it needs fixin'. Not to say it has anything to do with politics, because a lot of it does, but what it means for credibility, responsibility and culpability, in which I think the Bush Administration has been totally absent from.

398 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:32:55am
I think are echoing more dissent from the right that many of you let on...

The dissent on the right is primarily against Bush's domestic policies. Ted Kennedy's education bill. The prescription drug giveaway. The porktacular agriculture and energy bills. There's really no excuse for this huge expansion of entitlement and discretionary spending in a time of war.

It's actually exactly the opposite of the way you position it. The war is the only thing preventing the right from abandoning Bush.

399 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:33:33am

V K-
Actually, I was born on a farm, raised a farm boy, participated in 4-H, all that proud hick shitkickin' fun we do down on the farm. Reaganomics ruined my family's ability to survive on a small family farm income, so watch your tongue when you wag incessantly about cultural and political elitism. I see the same elitism when I meet whitewashed suburbia and the conservative mindset in these little "gated communities". Visit Nebraska sometime and you might be surprised by the populist trends in rural country.

The examples you gave for foreign policy I think are a bit embarrassing ones to use...Negroponte was directly involved in Reagan's support of military dictatorships in Latin America, and the blood staining his hands is too thick to wash off. Then to make him our Ambassador to the world?! Come on! As for Wolfowitcz and Perle, need I discuss their absolutist thinking of divide and conquer. I don't think unabashed attacks on "perceived" threats is any way to conduct a state's foreign policy in the international arena!

400 Billy Pickering  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:38:19am

I say, let the boycott continue.

What we've seen since the start of the Kos Kids Klub attack is a spike in donation from LGFers.

Though we're well below our goal, the support we are receiving from you folks here at LGF is refreshing. We are proving to the left that the internet and blogging is not a market they have cornered.

Thank you once again all those that have donated and keep it up!!!

Billy Pickering
Campaign Manager
Coffman for Congress

401 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:38:31am

Cerak -

Now that I read your posts, I don't see much room for discussion or debate.

But that's just me.

OTOH, I would be interested to see you expand on this:

As for Wolfowitcz and Perle, need I discuss their absolutist thinking of divide and conquer.
402 Jheka  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:40:26am

#400 Billy Pickering:

Good for you and Mr. Coffman. I haven't checked out his site yet but I most certainly will.

403 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:41:34am

#399 ---

1. I also grew up on a farm, which my family still owns and operates, despite the fact that they came thisclose to being shut down by overzealous Clinton enviro-nazis because ... I am not making this up ... the cows had access to a running stream. They were forced to fence the stream off to comply with environmental regulations. It has since become so silted and clogged over, it's become a marsh.

2. I have been to Nebraska twice. And unlike you, I am not surprised when people in rural areas have intelligent opinions.

As for your second paragraph, when one cuts through the hyperbole, it just comes back to you don't respect Bush administration officials who don't share your ideology.

404 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:47:05am

Thom -
That's fair...I do think I was a bit harsh, and I stand corrected. But say, as an ambassador to the rest of the world we put Pol Pot or even Pinochet?

I know thats an extreme. But the liberal camp argues Bush has slapped much of the world in the face when we put a man who was in charge of CIA operations in Guatemala...a man who used American $ to finance deathsquads to suppress "communist" agendas. Many times these "communists" were democratic socialists who favored neutrality in the Cold War. In my mind, the US has a responsibility to play by international rules if we want those to follow suit. Leading by example instead of saying "Oh, you shouldn't do this, it challenges world order, stability, safety" when in fact we're doing just that. Do you find that uncompromising in the least?

As for my last post, I apologize. I do think the left and right are so far apart right now the only method of discourse has been to scream back and forth. I was just guilty of that.

405 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:56:06am

V K -
I'm sorry, but I think you've misunderstood my opinion. I'm not surprised at all about their ability to think of have opinions - all people do...my point what that many times when you cut through moral arguments those in the rural communities share a lot of liberal beliefs. In fact, most America DOES! Most Americans on most issues align themselves left of center.

And the enviro-nazis...that movement was solidified by a Republican in office - Richard Nixon. Since FDR, Nixon has been the most progressive candidate on many issues including environment and community health.

Finally, have you ever stopped to think why cows have to be fenced off from riparian edges? It has to do with their grazing habits. Cattle are extremely lazy creatures, unless moved or herded, the tend to overgrate, wallow and ruin the very streams and rivers farmers depend on for irrigation and consumption.

These enviro-nazis are saving you and your family a lot of long term hurt...

406 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:07:25am

What makes you think my family, with a vested economic interest in preserving the land, and a multi-generational history of agriculture, knows less about land management than an EPA bureaucrat empowered... not by Nixon... but by the Clintons, to go out and harass small farmers (while, incidentally, giving Tyson Chicken carte blanche to dump untreated waste into every river in Arkansas?) The stream in question had been "grazed" for the previous hundred years, minimum, and was doing just fine. It's another example of the arrogance that assumes that bureaucrats and regulators always know what's best for everyone.

And, if the voting public is majority left of center --- why are the democrats so reluctant to embrace the "liberal" label? Why do they always try to run as "centrists," or even "conservatives." Does the majority support enormous tax increases? Government-rationed health care? Welfare-on-demand? Gun control?

407 Adam Kraus  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:11:35am

#384
To your credit, Charles, all the liberals can do is play copy-cat and catch-up.
It does not appear that originality is an option for them.

It is not true that liberals are only reactive and never original in the current campaign to combat terrorism, and create conditions that will solve the underlying causes of terrorism. As the situation is right now yes, liberals very often take the reactive position of criticizing the current neocons' interventionist foreign policy in Iraq for being overly aggressive or whatever. Yes, it's a fact that politically opposed groups will criticize each other's policies. But don't think that the
neoconservatives have exclusive claims to interventionstism / an activist foreign policy. In fact, in the 90's it was the liberal ideology that led to the intervention and state-building of the Clinton era (Somalia and Bosnia, Kosovo), which, I may add, was denounced by the isolationist conservatives at the time as fruitless and way too humanistic.
There are plenty of original suggestions that liberals can claim as their own. Like the one or two state solution to the Palestinian conflict, i.e. enfranchising the Palestinians in some way or another, which is now openly supported by the unquestionably non-liberal Israeli PM, Ariel Sharon. Another liberal-owned solution would be the approach of working to remedy the economic inequalities that lead to desolation and terrorism. Because, we all know, a big factor in the devlopment of terrorism is poverty.
#391
As for Iraq, I thinks it's disquiting for Republicans when two of their most respected foreign policy heavy-weights have come out critical of the Bush Docrtine. McCain and Hagel are both skeptical of the current situation. Any thoughts on that.

McCain must be feeling mighty dejected after being ruthlessly double-crossed by his own party in the 2000 Republican primaries. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems that that might have a little something to do with his criticism of the Bush Doctrine

408 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:15:46am

Cerak -

I do think the left and right are so far apart right now the only method of discourse has been to scream back and forth.

It's starting to look that way.

But, leave all that aside, and ask yourself:

What hope is there to communicate meaningfully with someone who would even think of comparing John Negroponte to Pol Pot?

We can be as nice and polite as anyone could wish, but there is an unbridgeable gulf between our world views that nullifies the possibility of any real communication. And, may I add, that I think it is you who needs to take a hard look at his premises?

409 Adam Kraus  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:30:44am

#394:
What are their objections to the "Bush Doctrine" (I put it in quotes because Bush abandoned his doctrine almost the moment he stated it)...
The Bush Doctrine is the interventionist and preemptive anti-rogue state / anti-terrorist doctrine that was used to justify the Iraq War and has not been abandoned to this day. You may be thinking of Bush's original National Security Strategy, which, having been produced in 1999 and making no provisions for terrorists, was soon replaced by a more relevant doctrine, soon to be known as the Bush Doctrine.

410 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:33:04am

Adam, nicely done. I'm pretty much done with this thread, but you seem to have it in good hands.

411 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:33:33am

V K -
I'm glad you brought up that point. I really agree with you on that issue through and through. Clinton lined his coffers with Tyson money and got elected partly because of their contributions...Bush did it with oil money. This isn't a Repub or Dem issue, its a money in politics issue. I extremely angry about Clinton and his Ag policies of the 90's. He reinforced the meatpacking control over the markets, he reinforced Reagan's safety approach simply because he was bought off by Tyson. Bush is no different.

I am also angry at the Dems for their fawning and bend over backwards behavior towards policy issues. A LOT of liberals are angry at the Dem. party because of this. The failure to embrace liberal policy has cost the Dems. the Congress for the last 10 years.

Dean revitalized as least some aspect of embracing liberalism again. I say about time. I may disagree with conservatives but I have to say I admire the Republican party's ability to pick party lines and stick to their guns, so to speak. Dems have been political cowards, if you ask me, with rare exceptions - Wellstone and Kucinich.

As for those bureaucrats telling you what to do with your farm. That is an interesting situation to get into. Much like you family knows what's best for you farm, there are factors that also effect it from a much different perspective. Those enviro-nazis were concerned with the overall health of the farm ecosystem and deem cattle damage to riparian systems a issue to address. They were worried about total system health. Unfortunately, corporate influence has impeded any type of fair play by government institutions under the last 20 years of administration watch. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush have all failed in that regard, as most Dems and Repubs who were bought by corporate interest. The problems reside in a total lack of dialogue between Dept. Ag, Dept. Interior, Extension and Education and the EPA. Its like 4 heads are talking and their only listening to what they personally say. Free trade is a economic issue, or farm policy is an economic issue, when in fact it bridges the gulf...ecology, environment, community. And liberals and conservatives all have a vested interested in each one.

#394 - Thanks for the clarification

412 alienintruder  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:41:48am

Hey, has anyone been over there and seen the ad from Richard Morrison over on DailyKos? He's saying "I've got the guts to advertise on DailyKos; I've got the guts to run against Tom Delay". And if you click on the link, here's part of what he has to say:

I'm choosing to advertise on Daily Kos because I recognize that it's a vibrant and dynamic community of political activists who are working to build a better America.
I do not believe advertising on a web site entails an endorsement of everything said on that web site anymore than I believe a television ad represents an endorsement of every program and commentator on the network.

I don't really know anything about Tom Delay, but maybe we need to throw him some support?

413 Athos  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:42:25am

#362 Gordon

Most of my "smears" remain unanswered satisfactorily.

Define answer satisfactorily?

Then, ask yourself, do you see a scenario where one COULD convince you to change your political mindset, viewpoint, ideology?

From your statement, and unless you can provide a very reasoned and legitimate answer to my question above, my only inference based upon comment and comment across numerous threads - that you have absolutely no intention in participating in an open and honest debate.

You only see what you want to see, period.

The answers are unsatisfactory to you because they didn't agree with you.

Very disengenious. But you have confirmed the opinion that many have of you.

414 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:46:35am

No, I was thinking of the Bush Doctrine which, amongst other things includes preemption.

415 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:00:48am

Those enviro-nazis were concerned with the overall health of the farm ecosystem and deem cattle damage to riparian systems a issue to address. They were worried about total system health

You can see it that way... or you can see it as the actions of power-hungry little Hitlers exercising unchecked, government-backed authority over their particular little fiefdoms. To ignore the human element... that there are a lot of people who are motivated by the desire to exercise power over others, and not by "what's best for everyone" is... to my thinking, incredibly naive.

416 madmark  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:08:05am

#405 Cerak

those in the rural communities share a lot of liberal beliefs. In fact, most America DOES! Most Americans on most issues align themselves left of center.

I also live in a rural community ( less then 15000 residents in the county). I don't agree, unless you are asking people about liberal social ideas in a non-governmental context.

Many of my friends and neighbors are giving, caring and compassionate people, but most don't think the Government should be the controllers of charity and community action. Certainly these folks are against the type of class warfare Dems are using as a rallying cry (top 1% of wage earners/Tax cuts for the rich).

Americans, as a whole, are a kind and generous people, does that mean they are "left of center" politically?

Is this what you are talking about? If so, many of your so-called "left of center" folks are rushing right out to support the President and will vote Republican this fall.

417 madmark  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:09:54am

BTW: Cerak and Gordon...

I don't suppose you would be willing to admit that you have gotten a better reception, hearing and debate here than any of us would have at the Kos site?


Nawww.... ;)

418 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:15:50am

V the K
It's too bad you feel this way. To think you've stated your disgust with liberals who feel politically elite to those of non-liberal mindsets - yet you feel any liberal mindset is ultimately naive or even impratical. I simply think there is a better way of living, which is not par with yours, and that's the way it is.

I've answered questions about my anger with the lack of any balls the Democratic Party has really shown in the last 20 years. If it happened, it was a abberation, not the norm.

If my thinking was "'what's best for everyone' is... to my thinking, incredibly naive", then you've simply missed my point. I am arguing that regardless of which political camp you belong to, the current situation in American politics sucks. You call the people of my camp enviro-nazis and "little hitlers" yet when I mention once that John Negroponte is viewed by many of the world as one on par with Pol Pot, I'm lambasted as unable to bridge the communications divide? I'm being as decisive as what I've argued against? Maybe my attempt at having any type of meaningful discussion here was simply in vain? Am I wrong? I don't see any of you trying to debate liberals on Daily Kos.

419 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:21:51am
You call the people of my camp enviro-nazis and "little hitlers"

No --- I referred to unaccountable, unelected government bureaucrats as environazis and little Hitlers.

420 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:36:57am

"Lambasted"?

421 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:42:50am

I always thought bureaucrats were supposed to be free from political sway. That was part of the reason they were created, to perform a service free of political influence.

Reality is that whoever is in power, be it Clinton or Bush, they've the sway and power to appoint those who will acheive their policy agenda. Ann Veneman is much different on policy issues than someone from a organic farming background, right?

422 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:48:13am
I always thought bureaucrats were supposed to be free from political sway. That was part of the reason they were created, to perform a service free of political influence.

Not in the real world. Bureaucrats are not political eunuchs, except to the extent that they care primarily about protecting and expanding their empires. (Which tends to make them sympathetic to the political philosophy that government ought to be forever expanded.)

In the three years since I became a foster parent, and through two (very expensive, highly litigious) special needs adoptions, through that interaction with the social services bureaucracy, I have become extremely familiar with how bureaucrats function in the real world.

423 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:57:39am

I emphasize with you, and I understand for many the bureaucracy sucks donkey balls. Does the system stink to high heaven that it needs an entire reformation? My family's had its dealings with the INS due to an adoption as well. I can think of other issues, like poverty and hunger reduction that can be blamed on the system as well. What do you do? The last 2 administrations have only made the situation worse.

424 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:07:25pm

Cerak,

hick shitkickin'

say it ten times fast.

425 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:11:11pm

I appreciate the reception here...I do think if you were to debate with me the same at Daily Kos it wouldn't be like you are led to believe.

There is dissent and arguments at the Kos, it happens a lot. I recall two very centrist liberals who were extremely angry at Kos and demanded an apology. They're still posting, and they're still demanding an apology. Nobody screamed, yelled or trolled them. The just disagreed. Try it sometime. You might be surprised.

426 Gordon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:13:40pm

#417 madmark: I'll certainly admit. Much as I dislike being serenaded by Thom's fart sounds, I prefer them to being banned or deleted.

427 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:16:05pm
The last 2 administrations have only made the situation worse.

Finally, something I agree with.

For me, the answer is simply to get government out of doing things it has no business doing. Privatize a lot of the services, put government in an advisory and consulting role (so that best practices can be shared among states and communities).

People say "well, what about big business," okay... but here's the secret... big government and big business go hand-in-hand. It's easier for Government to regulate a few large enterprises than it is to regulate a lot of little ones. That's part of the reason small farmers are hurting, while Tom Daschle makes sure Arthur Daniels Midland gets more pork than a Tennesse Barbecue Championship. And the cost of regulatory compliance creates barriers to entry that keep small businesses from intruding on established turf. I think that's f*ed up. I think that aspect of the system needs serious reform as well.

Mix in some other things like property rights, term limits (for bureaucrats, too), and the need to sunset agencies once their goals have been achieved, and that's pretty much how I would reform the system.

I also know that that it's never going to happen. The only thing to do now is to fight the expansion of the current flawed system and hope that someday enough people will fight to get it reformed, or that it will collapse of its own weight (Atlas Shrugs) and be replaced with something better.

428 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:19:07pm

#426 Gor-don

Awww ... thanks, Gor-don!

Love right back atcha! dB^)

429 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:32:46pm

Intriguing idea, but I disagree.

I don't think making America one big conglomerate of business is wise nor necessary. I think the oversight by tje federal government needs to be ceded to state and local control. So we better fund local governments and make them the outlet for social issues. Centralization simply doesn't work - look at how the Soviets fell overthemselves trying to make it work.

No the power needs to be public, and put into local control, not federal. The Feds need some sort of national oversight to regulate the regulators, but not in the sense of a big bureaucracy. In my opinion, a lot of redundancy abounds in the state and federal government. You have a lot of the same work being administered/completed by two seperate arms of government. Redundacy and the powerwork monster first needs to go. I'm really nervous as to put power in corporate control. I don't see many corporations accountable to public demands either. I think therein lies the issue. How do you become accountable to the public yet unswayed by politics?

430 madmark  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:34:36pm

#427 V the K


Well said!

431 madmark  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:36:41pm

#429 Cerak

Careful! You are starting to sound like a "states rights" 10th Amendment kind of guy...

432 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:39:38pm
How do you become accountable to the public yet unswayed by politics?

Comanies that do their jobs well are rewarded with additional business. Companies that do their jobs poorly go out of business (unless they are bailed out by the government).

I don't think making America one big conglomerate of business is wise nor necessary.

That's not what I was advocating. I just think there are many government functions that could be better handled by the private sector (and non-governmental organizations). Again, those who do a good job are rewarded by the market. Those who do a poor job are not.

433 PDM  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:40:12pm

Well, since this KOS thread is still moving, I'll leave this proposal for a new Daily Kos logo.
I already posted it in another thread, but it just seems appropriate here.

434 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:44:41pm

PDM--- Yes, MUCH more appropriate.

435 Cerak  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:46:47pm

yeah yeah, states rights...

as for rewarding those who do good business. how do you confront the businesses that operate like Halliburton, WorldCom, Tyco, etc. I taking another extreme, but hey, it'll happen when put into implementation. "Hey, you fund my dam, I'll do you a political favor, etc."

I just think privatizing the public sector will only make matters worse. does anyone have a non corporate opinion?

436 Bob  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 12:50:44pm

Hey Charles and jeka et al,

Is anyone surprised you're now crying like babies that people are doing to you exactly what you did to Kos and cramer and others?

You people are utter, complete cowards.

437 Thom™  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 1:15:02pm

#436 Bob

I don't see anyone crying around here.

Except maybe you and KKKathryn.

438 NTropy  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 1:29:56pm

#436 Bob

No Bob, it's NOT exactly the same thing. Markos' statement was brought to the attention of his advertisers by people who comment here. Charles did not sponsor it nor did he call for it.

Meanwhile, one of the regular Kos contributors called for action to be taken, not because of something Charles posted on LGF but because Markos was being held accountable for his statment.

BIG difference.

439 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 1:42:28pm
does anyone have a non corporate opinion?

does anyone have a non socialist opinion?
I'm joshing, to illustrate a point about socialism. Too often collectivists bend the truth in the service of ideology, and discount any truth that may disagree with ideology. This is what's given rise to what was wryly called "Soviet science" in the USSR days. It's what gives rise to PC thought police today.
What's wrong with an opinion from someone in or approving of corporations? They're just a form of organization for large enterprises. Their form does not dictate their content. There's plenty of good corporations as well as bad.
Your question is a good one-how do we prevent corporations from trading political donations for political favors?
Your solution, I'll hazard a guess and excuse me if I'm wrong, but it's a frequent first resort of socialists historically, involves nationalizing corporation assets so that corporations can't influence the political process. This takes the position that the political process is pure, and that corporations were polluting it. Of course, it's been tried, and what you end up with is the same end results of inefficient resource allocation, but for entirely political motives rather than a mixture of the political and the commercial.
My solution would be to amend the Constitution to make it clear again that the government has no role in most of the activities that it's engaging in today, just as it didn't for the vast majority of its existence until modern times. This takes the position that private life is pure, and that inserting politics into it pollutes it. You end up with mostly efficient resource allocation, but with a larger probability of abusive extragovernmental powers accruing to nondemocratic institutions, like governments.
Both approaches have serious flaws, which is why the United States functions as a compromise that includes many of the virtues of both, and a disproportionately small share of the flaws of either. I like it this way. I like to say that I'm a libertarian who hopes that libertarians never come to power, just that they keep influencing the political discourse of the vast political center of the country-the Republicans and Democrats-in a positive manner. I think that an honest socialist, an adherent to the mirror image of my own political viewpoints, would have to agree with me about their own aims; that the best way to achieve them is to keep socialists out of power but allow their priorities and ideas to influence the moderate masses. The only way to achieve the socialist ends of basic living standards, safe working conditions, a humane society, a liberal, well educated, healthy public with an appreciation of freedom, is not to elect socialists to office. Every nation that has tried to implement socialism has failed to achieve any socialist goals, while destroying the fabric of their civil society in the process. Likewise my own ideals-the robber barons are an instructive case in point of libertarianism run amock. So was the first Constitution we had, the Articles of Confederation. The United States was a joke because it was too libertarian and not socialist enough.
Socialist means do not lead to socialist ends, and libertarian means do not lead to libertarian ends, because the theories of both are predicated upon an unrealistic view of the nature of man.

440 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 1:44:47pm

larger probability of abusive extragovernmental powers accruing to nondemocratic institutions, like governmentswhat? sorry, brain fart. exclude those two words.

441 M. Simon  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 1:52:21pm

Cerak,

I just looked up John Negoponte and came up with the Marry Knoll Sisters.

They are ranting on about the dropping of the US from the UN Human Rights Comission in 2002 as a vote of no confidence in the US commitment to human rights.

Uh. Do these folks have any idea about the membership of that comission.

China of course is an exemplar of human rights. The current regime is responsible for killing 50 million to 100 million Chinese.

Then there is that paragon of free speech and human rights Cuba.

Egypt, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe.

Whatever Negroponte has done can be no where near what the above mentioned governments have done.

The good Sisters fault him for being anti-Sandanista. Now admittedly the American government may have been ham handed in their dealings with the Sandanistas but they got voted out of office in any case in free elections because of the economic and political disasters they caused.

If this is the stance of the American left then they have learned nothing.

And I say this having been a dedicated anarcho-communist in the late 60s early 70s. Che was my hero then. Today I recognize him for the fascist bastard he always was.

The economy of Cuba today is 1/2 what it was when Fidel took over.

Compare that with what America did to South Korea by installing authoritarians. They are today rich and democratic. How about Taiwan - same evolution.

Hell I'll even go with Chile and the bastard Pinochet. He left office when stability was established instead of handing over the government to relatives or political cronys. On top of that he privatized social security.

The record of leftis and communist governments has not been anywhere near as good.

Why is that?

Hayek has the answer.

442 V the K  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 2:37:48pm

#435 --- Answer: Companies that act in an illegal and/or fraudulent manner can have their executives prosecuted.

But who at the Department of Education was indicted for the $350 million in taxpayer money that that agency could not account for. Who at HUD was proescuted when billions of dollars were misused in that agency during the nineties. (Not to mention, any private property owner who maintained rental properties in the unsanitary and dangerous condition of many public housing projects would be labeled a slumlord and prosecuted, or at least sued.) Amtrak loses, what, half a billion dollars a year? Who holds their management accoutable?

Another thing, that to me makes it worse, is that investors are voluntary participants in the companies they invest in, and are free to go elsewhere if a company is mismanaged. Taxpayers don't have a choice.

443 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 2:57:59pm

To echo V the K, who at the Department of the Interior is being punished for decades of missing Indian funds held in "trust" by the federal government?

444 Powderfinger Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:27:30pm

#433 PDM

Nice. Very appropriate.

445 madmark  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:50:14pm

#435 Cerak

Let me ask you something in all seriousness...

I have often wondered if the left ever thought about the consequenses of trusting the state for so much of their goals. Wouldn't the election (I know, I know ) of President Bush be the perfect example of the folly of this position, I mean the left drives for more government control and then has to watch all that work and careful crafting of bills and laws get handed over to "the enemy".

I would think that thinking people on the left would be wary of giving any more power to the government, lest it be used in "the wrong way".

This is why I am part of the VRWC, if the government gains a new power I have no assurance that it will be used for "good" or be used by John Ashcroft to fight porn or deny my civil liberties...

446 insane_kufr  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 3:44:45am

#405 Cerak

my point what that many times when you cut through moral arguments those in the rural communities share a lot of liberal beliefs. In fact, most America DOES! Most Americans on most issues align themselves left of center.

If I remember correctly from my philosophy class absolute statements are absolutely false.

Please don't insult our intelligence and presume to speak for most Americans.

You remind me of an old acquaintance who was a lovable little furball. Real big on the social peace and love dialogue, BUT, and here's the but; when he was through taking the time to disect my opinions and straightening out my many misconceptions and faulty reasonings, he would get very angry to discover I hadn't changed my mind. I didn't get angry when he didn't agree with me. Because, and this is key: BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY CARE THAT HIS OPINION DIFFERED FROM MINE. I just thought he was a goofball. Someone who was fun to argue with because he had some really stupid ideas from someone who was supposed to be so smart. Does this mean I'm existing in blissfull ignorance?


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