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The Media Are the Enemy

Fri, Apr 9, 2004 at 6:54:46 pm PDT

France’s Agence France Presse news service continues waging their own little Gallic Tet Offensive, with another blatantly anti-American caption grafted onto another photo plucked from Getty Images:

US Marines give first aid to a slightly wounded comrade on April 8 in the flashpoint town of Fallujah, 50 km west of Baghdad. Pictures of body bags and groups of US soldiers praying around dead comrades are creeping into American media coverage of Iraq, highlighting the growing unease at events(AFP/Getty Images/File/Cris Bouroncle)

Here’s the original.

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: US Marines give first aid to a slightly wounded comrade 08 April 2004 in the flashpoint town of Fallujah, 50 km west of Baghdad. The death toll from clashes between US forces and insurgents in Fallujah has reached 105 and more than 200 people have been wounded. AFP PHOTO/Cris BOURONCLE (Photo credit should read CRIS BOURONCLE/AFP/Getty Images)

Notice how the Axis of Weasels cannot even be bothered to hide their editing, with no punctuation at the end of their scurrilously added sentence.

UPDATE: Even the mighty Allah begs for hat tips from Lizardoid HQ! Bwahahaha!

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1 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:56:30pm

Wow.
Who says the blogosphere doesn't report news stories? No one else is covering this blatant skullduggery. Thanks, Charles.

2 FH  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:57:00pm

What can I say? They want us to lose, and are the enemy just as much as the insurgents are.

3 Allah  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:57:33pm

No tip?

4 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:58:25pm

Even Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) isn't above begging for a hat tip! LOL

5 bigel[deleted]  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:58:29pm
6 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 4:59:43pm

No, bigel, but that's implied :-)

7 freedomsound  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:02:19pm

I swear I hate the f'in media more than the terrorists.

8 KevinV  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:03:19pm

AFP wrote:

Pictures of body bags and groups of US soldiers praying around dead comrades

The picture on the front page of the Washington Times today was of a group of Marines praying in a circle over the dead body of a fallen comrade.

Sorry, guys, but this caption is correct. In my personal experience in Washington DC today that picture:

1) was of soldiers (should say Marines, but the French can't be expected to be familiar with us at that level of detail);

2) it was in media coverage; and

3) there is a palpable growing unease here, even among Bush Administration stalwarts and pro-war Americans.

There is no good pretending or sugar coating what is going on. Most Americans I know, even pro-war Americans like me, just aren't too convinced that the animals they saw in Fallujah are worth trying to help.

There is a growing sense of unease. An unease that comes from feeling that perhaps we are trying to do some good with a crowd that just ain't interested.

9 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:03:56pm

freedomsound (#7)

I swear I hate the f'in media more than the terrorists.

You and me both.

10 Allah  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:04:12pm

Meanwhile, Allah still hasn't gotten a link! You linked to his shitty comment instead of his shitty blog. BLARGH.

11 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:04:39pm

LOL! It's on the front page now!
Maybe Allah will have to declear the hijad and be unite in response to thise crudase by Charles.

12 Diggs  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:05:35pm

How about this for a caption?
A Marine is helped by his fellow Marines after being wounded during a fight against al Sadr militia in the town of Falluja. Marines are known to never leave wounded or dead on the battlefield, as opposed to Iraqi army members, who routinely left dead and dying comrades on the battlefield and ran screaming like teenage girls at a boy band concert.

13 Charles  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:05:56pm

Heh. Allah's touchy tonight. Things not going well with the mujahideen?

14 FH  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:08:02pm

Charles, he got a look at the latest entrees into Paradies. Lots of people entering looking for their dried grapes. And only a handful of infidels following them.

15 Atwood  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:08:05pm

methinks this was their first draft :

"Thousands pictures of body bags and soldiers praying have innundated the media highlighting the complete and utter desparation felt by US troops in the face of insurmountable odds"


Thank god they toned it down and removed the BIAS

f**king media shitbags

16 evariste  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:08:50pm

Did anyone catch the Tough Crowd skit where they interviewed two of the 72 virgins?

17 Allah  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:09:59pm
Things not going well with the mujahideen?

Things are going great.

18 really grumpy  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:12:45pm

I just turned to CNN to catch their take on things, since I know plenty enough about Jesus already, the current focus of Fox News.

A CNN commentator called the American offensive in Fallujah "fierce and controversial", ostensibly because of the massive slaughter of civilian innocents in that city.

That's the press at work, all right. Tools of death and dhimmitude.

Don't forget, we are losing this war. The left is sure of it.

(I said sure of it, not - well you know the corollary...)

19 AG in Houston  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:13:44pm

Over 31000 hits for LGF!!

Damn skippy.

20 KevinV  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:14:20pm

Has anyone else noticed how the opposition's claim that "Iraq is the New Vietnam" also has resonance in Australia? (See Yahoo news item on topic at left).

I find that most people are unaware that the Aussies fought with us on that one as well, God bless them.

I mean, seriously, what would we do without the fucking Aussies? Seriously great people, and I, for one, am so damn thankful they're there I can hardly express it.

21 AG in Houston  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:17:01pm

Everything about the aussies is good except for their damn stoopid football game.

What the hell is that???

22 JEFF  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:19:38pm

Wonder what would AFP have to say about pictures of American dead on Omaha Beach?

23 Jean  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:21:37pm

I don't think pictures like this should be taken at all. Why are they allowed to take these pictures? What if this man has a wife and children ... do they want to open the paper and see a picture of him like this?

24 Connecticut Yankee  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:22:48pm

If I were a Marine, I'd be itching to invade France right about now.

25 Bowling for Howard Dean  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:24:00pm

love the Aussies, We will be going there next summer instead of our trip that was planned for France

KOS the French We still refuse to buy any product that we are aware that is made in the God forsaken place

26 freedomsound  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:25:36pm

#21 AG in Houston

Aussie Rules is a blast to play though. At least it was the one time I ever played, which was with a group of Aussie and Brit volunteers on a kibbutz in lower Galilee.

Now Cricket, that is a silly game.

27 militarybrat  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:27:45pm

@23 Jean
The answer to that would be NO. I remember several arguments with people while my husband was in Iraq where they were pissing on and on about the no photographs of caskets coming off planes issue.

I would NEVER want the world to intrude on that private moment when my husband's body touched ground in his country in such a way (God forbid that ever happen). NEVER. However, they don't care what I want, or what bothers me and my children. I would NEVER want to be apprised of my husband's condition by the press. Even if you can't see the face of the dead, how horrible to answer the door at 6 am the next morning and find out it was your loved one that you saw.

Also, I heard my Dad two weekends ago state that he wanted Bush to "raze Fallujah" after allowing one day for evacuation of people. My Dad is a bleeding heart who has a tremendous sense of "white guilt" and didn't support the war in Iraq to begin with. To hear such a sentiment blew me away.

28 Abu Maven  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:28:16pm

#19 AG in Houston

"Over 31000 hits for LGF!!"

Can anyone put that into perspective with respect to:

1) LGF's popularity now as compared to 6 months ago, 1 year ago, 2 years ago; and

2) LGF's popularity vis-a-vis other sites?

I have seen where LGF was recently ranked in the top 5 of something, but wonder if anyone -- Charles(?) -- has any further insight?

I ask because I have been reading for about 6 months now and am becoming ADDICTED. Great, great stuff, and I think many others will climb aboard once they are exposed.

29 newscaper  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:33:13pm

Another skewed article title
Chaos Erupts in Parts of Central Iraq


Yet the friggin' article text describes gains by our guys.

I liked this part describing the activity after the brief pause today:

Throughout the afternoon, fighting was reduced to sporadic gunfire. But when night fell, heavy explosions resumed as an AC-130 gunship strafed targets and soldiers and insurgents engaged in a mortar battle. The AC-130 hit a cave near Fallujah where insurgents took refuge after attacking Marines. A 500-pound laser-guided bomb also struck the cave, said spokesman 1st Lt. Eric Knapp.

May that hole become a grave.

30 CastorOil  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:36:19pm

#28 Abu Maven - See Alexa Traffic reports:
[Link: www.alexa.com...]

31 freedomsound  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:37:04pm

#8 KevinV

Ok, but that really doesn't belong in a photo caption.

32 Model4  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:39:49pm

Anybody else notice that there are no heroes in our armed forces (according to our reporters)? Not one that faced overwhelming odds and perservered? Not one that took out an exceptional amount of enemy forces, or saved his comrades with a daring rescue? Not one that exhibited extreme bravery by striking at a target well behind enemy lines?

The only names covered in any memorable way were ones that were captured. The message seems to be that they're all faceless tools, losers or victims. But I bet most of us have heard about that girl that lost her arm to a shark and is back to surfing again, or many other uplifting stories of personal courage from civilians. I'm sure this is just an oversight though.

33 La Shawn Barber  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:44:28pm

It's actually sort of fun (may not be the right word!) to read the paper looking for leftist bias. The lead lays it out if the headline doesn't. I blogged about the Chicago Tribune's story about crazy hillbilly fundamentalist Christians.

34 mike_hunt_muhammad  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:48:50pm

# 21

Kevin posted
Has anyone else noticed how the opposition's claim that "Iraq is the New Vietnam" also has resonance in Australia? (See Yahoo news item on topic at left)

Now you should not take any notice of what the loony left latham (notice small l in latham ) about anything he just would like to be the next "Prime minister" of Australia he is real fucking dick head. He is a crocodile feeder hoping the islamists leave him to last.

Hey there nothing wrong with football is is a great game and cricket we are the WORLD Champs .

Even allahs best team in pakistan can,t beat us damn kafirs.

35 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:50:45pm

Hey "Creator of Worlds", I know what you mean!

I'm still on a dizzying high from my hat tip this morning. I'm so happy that I even let my daughter borrow the family car tonight. Yeah, I know she's only twelve, but hey, I'm in a good mood.

36 Abu Maven  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:51:30pm

# 30 Castor Oil

Thanks. Surprising -- no discernible upward trend for this entire year. I would have thought otherwise.

37 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:52:37pm

#32 Model 4 - I appreciate that you were being sarcastic (no tag necessary) but during WW II (NO I'm not old enough to remember it !) journalists like Ernie Pyle told it like it was. They were (for journalist, at least) truthful and appreciative of what soldiers were going through and not ashamed to say so. Today's journalists just don't care about the truth; they just want to be hip.
And unfortunately, being "for America" is just not hip.

38 FH  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:53:04pm

OT: Apparently Sony wants to make a movie based on Richard Clarke's book.

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Bias in Hollywood? Nah...

39 pond  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:53:37pm

Meanwhile the BBC has capitalised Islamist Prayers here.

Ever seen Prayers in reports on other religions?

40 newscaper  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:54:33pm

Some decent coverage from a smaller newspaper's embeds... dates from Thursday but still interesting...

Marines deploy heavy firepower in Fallujah


Found a link to this on Free Republic...

Troops in the fight say they have a green light for such heavy firepower because most residents have evacuated the area and because the insurgents are so well dug in and prepared for a showdown that blasting them out is the only way to hunt them without suffering heavy U.S. casualties.

"So much for hearts and minds!" yelled a young Marine officer as a 500-pound bomb exploded on a cluster of buildings, throwing concrete and dirt hundreds of feet in the air and silencing a squad of insurgent riflemen who had fired at Marine helicopters and harassed ground troops with sniper fire all morning.
41 CastorOil  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:54:37pm

Very interesting site about media bias:Media Bias Basics

Liberal bias in the news media is a reality. It is not the result of a vast left-wing conspiracy; journalists do not meet secretly to plot how to slant their news reports. But everyday pack journalism often creates an unconscious "groupthink" mentality that taints news coverage and allows only one side of a debate to receive a fair hearing. When that happens, the truth suffers. That is why it is so important news media reports be politically balanced, not biased.

and the homepage: [Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

42 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:54:57pm

#32 Model4

Well, did you know that there is a soldier, Sgt. 1st Class Paul Smith, that is nominated for the Medal of Honor?

Maybe you do, but I would bet that about 75 percent of the population doesn't. And if they do, they heard a couple of sentences of the tremendous deeds that he performed, and all the rest the usual spin:

Widow: Medal of Honor no substitute
The sentence that I am assuming they took that out of is:

"Years down the road I may be proud, but the Medal of Honor still would not bring my husband back,"

Kinda the same, but really very different. F*ck the media POS.

43 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:55:12pm

Jimmy The Clam (#35)

Yeah, I know she's only twelve, but hey, I'm in a good mood.

LOL!! When my brother was around that age he crashed my dad's car, so be warned. Yes, we were totally wild kids.

44 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:57:14pm

#16 evariste

I saw it. I can't remember just now why the other 70 raisins were dismissed...

I love that show.

45 Connecticut Yankee  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 5:59:47pm

Hugh Hewitt has a good example of media bias from today's LA Times:

The Los Angeles Times' Mark Barabak provides a hilariously obvious example of this agenda journalism in today's paper, which actually is labeled "News Analysis" by the paper, and given the title: "Bush Presidency Could Be Ultimate Casualty of War." (When will the far more plausible "News Analysis" appear titled "Kerry Candidacy Could Already Be Doomed By Candidate's Combination of Incoherence and Reflexive Appeasement: With a Record of Having Been Wrong On Viet Cong, Sandinistas, and Soviets, Aides Fear Voters Will Not Trust Candidate Kerry Who Thinks al-Sadr and Others Like Him a 'Voice' --Legitimate or Not-- That Must Be Heard.")

Clip and save Barabak's fourth paragraph for some future hall of fame of bad journalism: "But if the death toll mounts and Iraq spins out of control, even Bush supporters concede his reelection prospects could be seriously jeopardized, regardless of how strongly the economy is performing this fall."

If A and if B, then C might possibly occur, leading to D. This is analysis? Let's apply the same "analysis" to sports: If Jeter is injured and out for the season, and A-Rod can't handle Third and hits .220, even Yankee fans concede that their team might struggle in the post-season." No self-respecting sports editor would allow a columnist to pass that off as "analysis" in the season-opener special, but such an inanity gets space in a major daily? Predictions are fine, but not a jelly-spined listing of possible bad events followed by a wheezy maybe. Nostradamus had more analysis than Barabak. Why then do such columns get printed?

For the obvious reason that newsrooms across the country are dominated by silly, inexperienced, and not-very-bright partisans rooting for a Bush defeat. The battles in Iraq of the last week have allowed these partisans to sing again from the quagmire songbook from which they crooned in the early weeks of the Afghanistan battles, and during last year's sand-storm induced delay in the march to Baghdad. No wonder "journalists" are mocked throughout America. Readers don't forget the record of the chicken-littles of the last two years because a few months have passed.

Link: [Link: hughhewitt.com...]

47 Cooper for President  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:02:40pm

I'd like to nominate Richard Clarke for my next Jason-Blair Award

48 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:04:01pm

#44 Tasty Beverage

Hey, some of them have to make sacrifices.

49 militarybrat  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:07:49pm

jimmy the clam and zulubaby:

must be something in the water or air - my husband took my 11 year old and my 6 year old to an Avril Lavigne concert at the mall in Hayward today.

Crazy behavior.

50 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:08:35pm

#46 Cooper for President

Only one kink in that plan, who are they going to get for the terrorists. With PC hollywood, I guess we will have to guard against those crazy canucks. F**k Richard Clarke.


*yes, that is the second post in a row where I use the F word against someone or something....now just hush up.

51 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:08:36pm

#42 Right Wing Conspirator - great post. Really. I've been alternating between this thread and the previous "music" thread and there's a sort of correlation, at least to me, in the way people feel about things as they become more mature. Take a look at my posts #25 and #33 on the Soul thread).

Only an idiot (or someone who's seen too many John Wayne type war movies) could possibly be "pro-war" in any sort of intellectual sense (yes, of course, defending your country, beliefs etc. are worth fighting for, but you know what I mean).

Somehow, someway (and yes it pisses me off because I've lived through it and STILL don't understand how or when) if someone doesn't believe in the "validity" of a particular war, the combatants get lost in the shuffle.
That's why my posts on the Soul thread mean so much to me - CSN NEVER confused their opposition to the Vietnam War with their unhesitating support of the guys who served - during AND after the War.

52 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:11:44pm

#49 militarybrat

I just hope he isn't 'that guy.'

sorry, totally forget what comedy skit or show it was on. But 'that guy' is the guy that wears the band/singers T-shirt to their concert.

53 militarybrat  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:15:44pm

RWC:

LOL! He would be totally offended if somone asked him that! He keeps fondly bringing up his teen-age concert going days when they had to stop the Danzig show because he and his friends were moshing too violently.

In fact, he quoted that same exact quote to my daughter as a guideline for her concert going!

54 CastorOil  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:18:50pm
On screen, CBS displayed a map of Iraq with flashing lights in areas with fighting. As Rather quoted al-Sadr, CBS highlighted his words with text on screen: SHI’ITE CLERIC AL-SADR: IRAQ MAY BE
“ANOTHER VIETNAM”

[Link: www.mediaresearch.org...]

55 dr_dog  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:19:51pm

#30 CastorOil

Heh heh... Alexa also lets you compare LGF's traffic to other websites.. Currently we're on par with Zmag.org. Take that, Chomsky!

Unfortunately Indymedia.org is still out of reach. Of course, they have loads of different sites, and apparently a full 31% of their traffic is from the Athens site. Interesting.

56 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:26:40pm

#53 militarybrat

LOL. Good, even the west coaster know that then. You have a good man there.

Danzig also, woo hoo. Used to pop that in while I was drinking my couple cups o' java getting ready for the gym.
Mother
Tell your children not to hold my hand
Tell your children not to understand
Oh motherrrrr...........

Father
Do you wanna bang heads with me
Do you wanna feel everything
Oh fatherrrrr.........

Oh yeah !!!

57 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:30:33pm

#53 - militarybrat

No problem here! I took my daughter to see "X" the band at the House of Blues in Hollywood for her birthday. When the song "Los Angeles" was played, we both went into "the pit" and slammed danced the night away.

OK, so I'm not Ward Cleaver!

... but we sure had fun!

She even decided she now likes the Blasters and bowling shirts are kind of cool. :-)

58 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:30:40pm

#30 Castor Oil

Very interesting. Especially when you run a comparison against the Daily Kossack.

I had heard 100,000 hits a day. Where are they? And which is the more popular blog?

Try it.

59 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:34:14pm

#51 realwest Johnson

Thanks for the compliment. I am about to go check out that thread, haven't been there yet. As you may have noticed, I know about Danzig, etc... so I may be like a bull in a china shop in there :-)

But your exactly right, no one in their right mind is 'pro-war.' But that is where the folks here, I am not going to say conservative but if we are going to split it into two groups - there are the LLL, who believe peace is defined as the absence of violence no matter what the cost of human suffering. And then us, or the rest of the people, who realize peace can only come from a mutual understanding and respect between peoples. (and no, you do not get there with multi-culti BS that will always treat someone or some group as the downtrodden.)

Now...DRINK....cause you have some catching up to do.

60 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:37:36pm

#57 Jimmy the Clam

You took the kiddo to see X?? That might make you the coolest Dad ever.

Too bad they rarely get to the east coast...

61 Ingwee  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:40:39pm

#55,

"Unfortunately Indymedia.org is still out of reach. Of course, they have loads of different sites, and apparently a full 31% of their traffic is from the Athens site. Interesting."

That is explained by the fact that Greeks are about 10 times more anti-American than the French. But since it's been and insignificant shithole for the last 2,000 years, noone really cares.

62 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:41:28pm

#59 Right Wing Conspirator -"Now...DRINK....cause you have some catching up to do"
No I don't!! I anticipated your "Drink" commentary and started scrimmaging a couple of hours ago. I'm already lit (but could get, um, brighter before the night is through!).

You're turn - DRINK!!

63 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:45:11pm

I can't believe this f--king Cubs game is at 15 innings...just lose already.

64 CastorOil  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:48:03pm

#58 Powderfinger - It looks like we may have upped the Kos traffic, dammit!

Top Arabic Language websites: Al-Jazeera (no surprise there), followed by Egyptian Ahram.

Top French Language Websites: 2 ISP's, Google France...and 4th place? The Government of Canada! - Must be the Immigration page.

65 nvdoyle  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:49:33pm

#40 newscaper

"So much for hearts and minds!"

F'king awesome.

66 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:52:46pm

#62 realwest Johnson

Already am did done that. :-)

I was off Googling that song you posted on the other thread, I think I have heard it but don't really, really recognize it. I found a clip of it, but it didn't make it to the chorus.


#63 Tasty Beverage

I can't believe this f--king Cubs game is at 15 innings...just lose already.

Spoken like a true Cubbie fan :-P

67 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 6:53:45pm

#60 - Powderfinger

Thanks!
That's what she said on the way home. :-)

I did appreciate her then commenting right after the concert that most of the new music was junk and just did not sound as good as the old school stuff.

That observation right there earned her a Stratocaster and a cool old vacuum tube amp (that gets just the right amount of distortion) for Christmas.

68 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:02:05pm

#66 Right Wing Conspirator - too bad! Spend a couple of bucks and buy the CD "Daylight Again" other than that song, it's a really great CD!!
That assumes you can find it!!
Someone interviewing Stephen Stills asked the question:
is it difficult for you to get "retail" space in stores these days? I mean, what 'category' of music should they label you Nash and Crosby under?
Stills: "C"?!!

69 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:04:09pm

#67 Jimmy the Clam -"a cool old vacuum tube amp (that gets just the right amount of distortion) for Christmas. "
where the "F" did you find one? PLEASE tell me.

70 Julia the Horrible  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:05:56pm

In fighting the Vietnam War, we were supposedly fighting against the spread of a political ideology - Communism - which we saw as a threat to world peace.

In Iraq we came to depose a dictator whose links to Islamic terrorism and whose corruption in the region foreshadowed world crisis.

The motivation is the same, but the circumstances are vastly different. The Vietnam War was escalated primarily by a Democratic administration (Lyndon Johnson). A lot of people forget that fact. Richard Nixon, a Republican, eventually ended the War he inherited.

This Administration inherited a similar situation: terrorism that was off the scale. While Clinton was having his way with women, let's face it, shit happened. But no one is willing to call it like that. Condy Rice certainly wasnt going to step up and say that.

Another Vietnam? In what way? If you mean guerilla warfare, well, it can be if we let it. Or we can just wipe them out.

What we need is another Admiral Bull Halsey, who was not politically correct in any sense of the word.

If I am correct, his mission, in his words, in order to win the war, was comprised of three things: "Kill Japs, kill Japs, and kill more Japs." He was focused on his mission to root out and get rid of the enemy.

Now, that may sound "culturally insensitive. "(oh, boo-hoo) But when you are hired to be a killing machine, that is how you think. In WWII it was Krauts. In Vietnam it was Gooks. It was how the fighting machine visualized the ENEMY, the people who want to kill you.

We have to realize that the insurgents in Iraq are the enemy, and our troops are there to kill them if they dont surrender. Because they want to kill our men and undermine the peace process and the democratic reforms.

We dont have a Halsey or a MacArthur or a Nimitz or a Westmoreland in Iraq right now. We need one. Immediately.

No peace without strength.

*Victory*

71 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:06:28pm

Let me put this up as insurance, I hate ICP. The question on the other thread was a joke.

72 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:13:29pm

#67 Jimmy the Clam

Yep. I've seen them a million times. I spent some time drinking with John at the Palomino a hundred years ago.

Too bad there's a lot of LLL there. The music rules.

73 nvdoyle  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:19:28pm

#70 Julia the Horrible

To quote the NC Times...

'Asked what chances they would have with hearts and minds of local civilians when the destruction in Fallujah is done, one infantry company commander just shrugged.

"I don't know. Rebuild?" he answered, as if thinking of it for the first time. "That's really a question for someone a lot higher up the chain than me. I'm just here to kill bad guys."'

More of this, please.

74 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:19:42pm

#66 Right Wing Conspirator

Oh my Allah, they won!

Spoken like a true Cubbie fan :-P

LOL!

No, I probably only watch about 30 games a year. It's more like, (as opposed to the die-hard Cubs fans) I just know about the wisdom of low expectations when it comes to the Cubs. This is truly an organization that wants to lose, regardless of roster, season, or management. When that tool interfered with Alou during the playoffs, I just knew, felt it in my bones, and expressed to all my viewing companions, "That's it. There's no way in hell they're going to the World Series. This is baaaaad mojo. They're finished." And lo and behold, the world watched the Chicago Shahids snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Pathetic.

I was also really mad that they let the Yankees snatch away my man Kenny Lofton. stupidstupidstupid.

75 J.D.  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:24:28pm
76 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:26:05pm

David Hasselhoff has a blog?

77 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:28:21pm

#76 zulubaby

Like Jerry Lewis, they love him in Europe. They even buy lots of his music!

78 J.D.  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:28:46pm

zulubaby

LOL!

79 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:29:07pm

#69 - realwest Johnson
A 1965 Fender Blackface Deluxe. I had to hunt down some new-old-stock tubes and then had it re-biased and the speakers re-coned, but it sounds GREAT now!
I got lucky on the price but then put more money into it. Now its good for another 40 years.


#72 - Powderfinger
I think most bands are that way but their guitarist, "Billy Zoom" is pretty darn conservative, and one heck of a guy! :-)
I think the only real freak in that band these days may be Exene. She has NOT aged well.

80 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:29:27pm

No! Don't tell me he sings!

81 Model4  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:30:03pm

Oho! Zing!

82 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:30:33pm

#74 Tasty Beverage

LOL. But hey, don't feel too bad. My team is the , ummm, I don't know if I should make this public.......the Pirates :-(

83 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:36:22pm

#80 zulubaby - yes he does and he makes even me sound good!!
Go figure the French!!!

84 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:39:09pm

Zulubaby, he's huge in Europe.

Go figure.

85 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:40:42pm

#82 RWC

If you think that sucks, just be glad you're not a Red Sox fan. At least you're not cursed. ;-)

86 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:42:02pm

#82 RWC - have you always been a Pirates fan??
I ask because I represented the photographer and author (two different people) who wrote a book about the Pirates in litigation with the old Little Brown publishing company. There are MAYBE 50 copies of it, before the litigation was settled (over a bunch of you know what about Willie Stargell and "Doc" on drug use and, um, groupies). Be happy to share with you -email only!!).

87 zulubaby  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:45:35pm

realwest, Powderfinger, I guess there's no accounting for people's taste. I can't imagine. Nor do I want to really.

88 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:48:39pm

#82 Right Wing Conspirator

the Pirates :-(

Now now. They have a very cool logo.

ARRRRRGH, matey!!

And they'll meet up with the Chicago Shaheeds around April 20th.

#85 Powderfinger

At least you're not cursed. ;-)

The Shaheeds are cursed too. (Or rather, they just like to believe that they're cursed, and not actually losers).

89 militarybrat  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:52:31pm

RWC :

Thanks for that. Really. Now I have my husband walking around the house bobbing his head and singing lyrics under his breath. Occasionally he gets really loud and sings a riff while making guitar motions. Erck.

All this going on while we watch So I Married an Ax Murderer

90 realwest Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:54:10pm

#87 zulubaby:" Nor do I want to really" - so ok, then,
don't.

91 militarybrat  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 7:55:42pm

And, for your information, we are NOT going to mention The Wall. Got it? Good. Because if we do, I'll be up all night listening to the cd, watching the movie, and getting existential sermons from his side of the bed.

No lyrics quoted, no references to the cartoon trial scene...

We will NOT go there.

92 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:05:43pm

#89 militarybrat

Damn, your husband - or you - has good taste.

Heed !!! Heeed !!! Paper....... Now.

Leave him alone....your gonna give him a complex

Well lookatit, itsa size of a melon...........that's right, go cry yourself ta sleep on ya big pilla

Not the best, or even close, transcription but I remember the part with his young son is funny as hell. Along with, "Piper down......We have a piper that is down......."

#85 Powderfinger & #88 Tasty Beverage

.....kissing in a tree....K..I..S..S...I

yada yada... But the thing is, I am cursed. Same thing with the Pirates as with the Steelers...we train 'em, then one of these damn capitalist fat cat oil drilling teams snatches them up.


#86 realwest Johnson

Man, if I could find my pics of me on the field at Three Rivers right now I would post them...you know, from back in the day when the Pirates were the only ones with that style hat going on still.

I would love to see some of the stories about them.

93 Julia the Horrible  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:06:45pm

nvdoyle:

I heard a guy on the radio today saying the same thing, maybe he was the same guy.

Our military draws from the offspring of our dopey public schools, sadly. Taught to think that everyone has "a right" to think and do and say whatever the fuck they want, regardless of how they affect anyone, and that includes the Enemy.

Well, that is true, but only if you have something to back it up. Like a gun in someone's face or a wallet full of bills.

I grew up on the street. I knew who the badasses were. I stayed out of their way. And when I needed protection I got my older brother and his hoodlum friends. And he wasnt even a real badass. It was all about posture.

These Iraqis and Palestinians and all these other Muslim irritations need to be shown the back of someone's hand. It is that simple. But we are too "sensitive" to do that. And that is going to be our downfall.

The US needs to learn to be a badass. Cut the sensitivity crap. That does not win wars.

I like the role of mercenaries. They know how to do their job and they like the pay. I like the idea of highly paid, highly effective killing machines.

I had a Doberman Pinscher. She was one of the sweetest, most valuable dogs I ever had. Very few members of my family liked her because she was very protective of me and my daughter. She used to attack people's shoes, and nip occasionally. It was her way of showing displeasure at intrusion. I learned to put her up when people came over. They would criticise me, and say, "How can you have such a mean dog." Same scenario.

Utilitarian people always get criticised for being "insensitive." But they get shit done.

94 Julia the Horrible  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:14:35pm

PS: Did someone say "The Wall?"

My addiction, my downfall, my pulse, my needletrack to the brain album.........

.....but then, anything Pink Floyd did reigns in heaven for me.

95 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:25:06pm

#92 Right Wing Conspirator

.....kissing in a tree....K..I..S..S...I

Do you not understand? Powderfinger certainly does. Pretty much EVERYONE in Boston and Chicago was salivating over a Crimson Jihad/Chicago Shaheeds confrontation at the World Series. The two "cursed" teams, with all that baggage, waging glorious jihad against each other. It would have been like Hamas vs. Hizb'Allah.

No wonder Allah had such a stiffy in October.

96 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:27:59pm

#95 Tasty Beverage

I know. And that was just a childish type of playground at lunch time joke. Hope you didn't take offense to it.

97 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:37:25pm

#88 Tasty Beverage

Did you think for a minute that there was any prayer at all of a Red Sox/Cubbies World Series?

Yeah. So did I. ;-)

98 Powderfinger  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:41:46pm

#92 RWC

we train 'em, then one of these damn capitalist fat cat oil drilling teams snatches them up.

That's the Zionist conspiracy, bro.

99 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:48:02pm

#96 Right Wing Conspirator

Hope you didn't take offense to it.

LMAO

Of course not! That's the whole point, you silly Pirate! Those two---the Chicago Shaheeds and Crimson Jihad----are the most pathetic teams in MLB. They are destined to meet and destroy each other by means of their collective negative energies. Who can out voodoo the other? There would be millions of otherwise rational people fingering their rabbit's foot and chanting prayers.

My Allah it would be glorious.

#97 Powderfinger

Yeah. So did I. ;-)

LMFAO!

I can't believe I'm admitting it, but YES!!! For a fleeting couple of days.

There's a reason people said that a CJ/CS World Series would signal Armageddon.

{sigh}

It's just not time yet.

100 Sergio  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 8:51:07pm

And Hollywood doing its share:

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Perhaps Oliver Stone will direct.

One of many reasons why I almost never go to the movies anymore.

101 Crill  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 9:49:26pm
102 Rayra Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:33:10pm
#8 KevinV 4/9/2004 07:03PM PST
[defeatist claptrap that completely misses the point of the topic]

Look, it's about the media's deliberately EDITORIALIZING with every edited sentence of their "reporting".
They stage photographs, lie outright in their stories, craft headlines that have little or nothing to do with the bodies of their stories, broadcast ONLY the negatives, and flat out cheerlead for the defeat of the president and our causes in teh WoT.

And after reading your sad bullshit, it's obvious you've fallen for it completely. The current fightin is very limited, regardless of how the media trumps it up, the casualties are amazingly low for the enterprise we are engaged in, and the media is doing everything they can to serve us another 'Tet', with no realtion to the true evens on the ground.

103 Yeah but  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 10:33:54pm
Don't forget, we are losing this war. The left is sure of it.

I don't think we're losing the war yet.

But we sure as hell are losing the peace...

104 ördög Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2004 11:26:22pm

#103 Yeah but

What peace? There has not been any for quite a few years.
The fact that you do not seem to be affected much does not present the absence of evidence for war. It has just been taken out to other theatres. That still does not mean it has been precluded from inflaming within US, to some degree. There is enough jihadi in US and vicinity to rock your contemplative nirvanic disposition. And make no mistake, it really does not matter if you are a peacenik, christian, muslim or whatever. Either you are kaffir (permission to kill you is granted by Q'ran), or if muslim, Allah (piss be upon him) will sort you out.

105 Yeah but  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 12:14:27am

"What peace?"

The peace we were supposed to bring to Iraq in lieu of Saddam. Remember?

See it now? It's going down the toilet like one of George Bush's turds.

Nah... I suppose we just wanted to knock out Saddam for the helluva it...

106 BB booey  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 1:34:35am

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that or David Hasselhoff?

107 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 1:55:32am

insurgent islamofascist target progression:

Aid personnel
CPA personnel
Civilians
Coalition trained Iraqi police/forces
Contractor's
Please allow me to introduce you to all those without morales or taste............

108 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 1:58:27am

woops, i thought that would take link would direct to the subject line, sorry for any misunderstanding.

109 Jed  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 2:15:53am

As Krauthammer said, the EU is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Arab League.

110 Dave Brown  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 2:20:00am

Sent in response to an "adbusters" article titled: "Why won't anyone say they are Jewish?"

------ Forwarded Message
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:08:57 -0700
To: editor@adbusters.org
Cc: info@adbusters.org
Subject: Jus’ regular Joes

AdBusters:

Gosh. You guys are jus’ regular Joes... not like those effete cosmopolitan neocon “Jews”.

So, you “have here a list”, eh? (Like Joe McCarthy?):

“Here at Adbusters, we decided to tackle the issue head on and came up with a carefully researched list of who appear to be the 50 most influential in the US (see above). Deciding exactly who is a neocon is difficult since some neocons reject the term while others embrace it. Some shape policy from within the White House, while others are more peripheral, exacting influence indirectly as journalists, academics and think tank policy wonks. What they all share is the view that the US is a benevolent hyper power that must protect itself by reshaping the rest of the world into its morally superior image. And half of the them are Jewish.” - Kalle Lasn
[Link: www.adbusters.org...]

Or maybe you plan on starting a list for a Canadian version of the “Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee”? (Like Joe Stalin’s?):

Uncle Joe said: "est chelovek, est problema, net cheloveka- net problemy." Or, "a person, a problem; no person- no problem." Then he compiled a list of Jews, and then they disappeared. No problem.
[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

Its a funny coincidence, but last year I had an online discussion with Canadian cartoonist Stephen (“Bob the Angry Flower”) Notley about “occupation”. He had posted a cartoon literally depicting Israelis as evil murderous slugs from another planet. Since I am a Jew (a contraction of the word “Judean”, i.e., “from Judea”), and since half of the world’s Jews currently live in Israel/Judea, I took offence, and so I wrote to Stephen.

In my e-mail I noted that regardless of one’s sympathies in the “Middle East” conflict, unlike most North Americans, one must recognize that Israeli Jews do at least have a real and demonstrable familial link to the disputed territory that they “occupy”. About half of Israeli Jews are “Arab Jews” who derive from societies that never physically moved far from the Judean state that they were driven from by Roman Imperialists (66-300 AD). After 1948 nearly a million Jews simply moved from one part of West Asia (Iraq, Egypt, Iran) to another (Israel). I made this point and asked “when he and his people, Canadian’s of European ancestry, would be giving up their brief but crushing occupation of North America to return to his native homeland in Europe”? On September 2, 2002 Stephen wrote back to me:

“It's true, we Europeans did paste the hell out of the Natives of America (and Canada, which is where I live) when we took over, and there's crime aplenty in that history, but at this time, we're not occupying because we're not facing any form of resistance from the Native population. “

In other words, “no person- no problem”. Dead men tell no tales.

Anyway, back to your little article. Perhaps you will soon be publishing the names of Catholic “Papists” who are subverting the government to the will of Rome?

Hey. Want to investigate something? Why not investigate the corrosive influence of a fascist, anti-humanist, fundamentalist, right-wing, misogynistic, movement? Try this:

“Over the last 30 years the Saudi royal family has contributed upwards of 70 billion US dollars to infiltrate worldwide institutions with propaganda against the West and Israel. This sum, it has been observed, makes the one billion dollars per annum spent by the Soviet Union during the Cold War for Communist propaganda pale by comparison”
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
[Link: www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...]

Better not, huh? Might be culturally insensitive (also, 70 billion US dollars must buy a lot of professorships and media space...don’t wanna upset those potential patrons) .

Guess its best to just stick with tried-and-true. Just keep on blaming the Jews. No harm’s ever come of that.

Seattle, WA 98103 USA

111 jumpininhere  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 4:11:42am

#102

Not only that, but he doen't get the whole reason we're there. We're doing it for us not for them. Civilizing them will allow us to better live in peace. The only other option is to kill them all and, of course, we don't do that.

112 Egfrow  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 5:17:37am

#9 zulubaby

The Currently Biased Mass Media has done more to spread the growth of Islamic Terrorism than Osama Bin Laden. There is definatley a backend broker(s) pushing this agenda forward being that there are only a handful organizations globally that own these media outlets. They all seem to be on mostly the same descision process.

The blog sphere currently seems to be the only refuge for people to have a chance at gaining a true insight to the real nature of things. That is, for now!

113 Smack  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 10:18:46am

#105 Yeah but

> The peace we were supposed to bring to Iraq in lieu of
> Saddam. Remember?

I don't have to remember because the peace is still there. We're dealing with a small group of punks in 1 or 2 towns. That's it.

114 Joanne Jacobs  Sat, Apr 10, 2004 2:24:15pm

Caption aside, that's a wonderful photo of a Marine being helped and comforted by his comrades. It's part of the reality of war: Young men get wounded and killed. I found the photo inspiring, not disheartening.

Some Americans think pacifying Iraq is not worth the cost in American lives. Most, I believe, do not want to cut and run. Very few are so stupid as to need a photo to learn that war is not bloodless.

115 William  Sun, Apr 11, 2004 11:41:30am

Even if I were not for Bush, I would vote for him just to piss off the french.


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