An intifada in the US of A? H-m-m-m, perhaps we can begin by leveling UC Berkeley Lecturer Hatem Bazian's house. Just a thought.

Hatem Bazian--he's, what? An Irish-American Presbyterian? Just checking.

Begin deportation hearings-now.

The time to invoke Article III Section III of the Constitution of the United States of America is long overdue. Time to line up a few traitors against a wall.

It's time to build a wall around Berkley, complete with humiliating checkpoints.

D-Berg: What, and separate these people from their olive trees????

I would pray that they start something like that here. It would be totally enjoyable to watch (and participate) in the result. That insect Hatem Bazian should be deported.

I'm sure there are more than just a few cops out there who would cherish the thought of taking said radicals out right where they stand. All they need is the reason to do so....while the rest of the populace looked the other way....

Ladies and gentleman, this is the new "progressive" movement.

Fitting name, Hate'm. I guess Jihad was taken.

Dr. Hatem Bazian, a native Palestinian with a Ph.D. in Islamic Studies from U.C. Berkeley, and currently a lecturer in Near Eastern Studies and Ethnic Studies Departments at the same university.

[Link: www.hatembazian.com...]

Were he a conservative advocating this kind of dangerous rot, he'd be in jail now and in the chair by Wednesday.

Beat me to it [Engineer]. Hatem Bazian can be reached for comment at:

hats@igc.org or

510-642-7792; office number, public domain.

IIRC, this fits under the Sedition Act. I think its time to dust that off the books.

Since I'm not much of a writer, I was wondering if one of my lizard brethren could write a sample letter about Prof Baziam that I could copy and send to Gov. Arnold, the Board of Regents of the University of California, and the Chancellor of UC Berkeley.

It's bad enough that this kind of human scum gets to call for war in this country, and it's even worse knowing that my tax dollars go to pay his salary. As far as I'm concerned, when he asked for intifada he forfeited his right to teach at a State institution.

LLL battle cry, "Help, Help, I'm being repressed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system."

I'd like to see these asshats try something. They can cry 1st amendment all they want, I'll keep the 2nd in my back pocket.

"UC Berkeley Lecturer Hatem Bazian calls for an intifada in the United States"

Is another Civil War coming? It sure looks like it to me. This one will be much shorter, since the leftist assholes are unarmed, and idiots (nothing meant by that to the honourable men and women in the American South).

They have been "begging for it" for quite a while now. During a war, your men should put people like the Berkeley "professors" in custody for a few years.

High IQ does not equal common sense. Stalin had a high IQ.

Is incitement to violence falls under freedom of speech laws?

Model4, you are correct. This will never make the News Networks, including Fox. What a Mad, Mad world we live in...

These yammering halfwits are shooting themselves in the foot, abdomen, heart, head, etc. I say keep giving them ammo.

Hey Charles:

Speaking of "peace activists," check out Cox & Forkum's latest.

-dg

"How come we don’t have an intifada in this country?"

Guys, I think he just means peaceful, inner intifada.

Hatem Bazian's violent rhetoric is totally against what the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims believe.

I'm sure all the Muslim leaders in the country are going to denounce Bazian - okay, maybe not all Muslim leaders. But I'm sure AT LEAST ONE SINGLE MUSLIM LEADER is going to denounce Bazian.

Any time now.

How about a leader of a Muslim student group? I'm sure almost all of them disagree with this kind of thing. I'm sure JUST ONE OF THEM is ready to speak out.

Anybody feel free to help me out here by posting some links. Remember, all we need is ONE SINGLE PERSON to speak out ...

Dr. Hatem Bazian, a native Palestinian

Not a native American or Mexican? Hmmm, wouldn't he be considered an occupier in these circumstances?

Intifada - A modern term for Islamic conquest through genocide and terrorist blackmail.

Bring it to the US? But of course! Come children, let us celebrate diversity in the ultimate bastion of American self-hate, UC Berkeley. It's a perfect match.

Berkeleyites, expose your bellies for a special exercise in Islamic cultural awareness. A sword-welding practitioner of the Religion of Peace™ will be with you shortly.

Hate 'ems page

At present, the only option for those who endeavor to drench themselves in the vastness of traditional sources of Islamic thought and practice, is to travel abroad in search of one of the few remaining, least contaminated oases of knowledge that still exist.

Wonder where that might be.

"I want his humilated and degraded" ass out of my country.

I have a friend in Oz who really would love to see all the nazimuslims expelled from Israel, where they do not belong.

Why do we not move in this direction here? There are cells of potential terrorists everywhere.

I realize that this will never happen here or in Israel, or in any of the countries they are polluting, as they take prisoners in Iraq, the Phillipines, all over the world. They murder, mutilate and call for jihad everywhere. Now it is realistically impossible to rid ourselves of the plague of islam. However, the damned PC LLL/s should wake up. Do they ever read a newspaper, watch the news anywhere but the NY & LA Times? CNN, and the major networks? The BBC? The Independent and the Guardian, UK? Channel 4, also in the UK? The CBC, the Toronto Star?

The RoP is not our friend, and never will be. We must demand that the tight restrictions on their travel, the close scrutiny of their passports, etc., must not only continue, but be toughened ten-fold.

A late friend in London, whose late father was from Austria, and had never applied for UK citizenship, was, along with his mother, interred in a center on the Isle of Wight, I believe, when WWII broke out, as he was considered an enemy alien, as was his mother. My friend's Anglo/Jewish mother wrote to Queen Elizabeth (the late Queen Mother) personally, explaining that they were Orthodox Jews, and had been lax in not taking citizenship. It was straightened out, and on the part of my late friend's family, there was no anger or bitterness, only embarrasment at having been so lax.

How many nazimuslims are here either illegally, or abusing their visas and/or passports? How many of you live in a community where they are not among you?

CAIR and the ACLU be damned. Our very lives depend on it.

Charles

I knew you were going to highlight that particular speech. I listened to it when zombie posted all his work in the other thread, and I thought, "The balls on this POS." But then I realized, I WANT them to start some shit. We need another civil war, this time to root out the Leftist traitors, jihadis, and neo-Nazis who have all made common cause with each other---due to their shared Jew-hatred---which has inevitably led them to anti-Americanism, because American values are in essence Jewish values.

I WANT all the traitors to out themselves---go ahead and start your fucking intifada (uprising). It will serve better than 9-11 to rouse the populace from their navel-gazing torpor when jihadis start exploding in Jewel-Osco and Albertson's, and their Leftist and neo-Nazi sympathizers cheer them on.

After Easter celebrations today, I'm listenening to a bit of Marley. "Stir It Up" does not have to apply to communism. Peace is in the air. Canada will come through. Do not lose your reslove, our Amerivan cousins.

I am getting to the point where I want these leftist pieces of sh*t to stop talking, and get to more action. This BS goes far beyond dissent. Bring on the intifada in America, I think it will be swell to thin your ranks you fuc*wits.

I am not a lawyer but will blow smoke out my ass on the internet.

Just let him rant and take notes. What he said is probably not specific enough for any sort of conviction. I hope the FBI keeps files on this guy like they would have in the 1950's.

Those were the days.
"Mister, we could use a man like J. Edgar Hoover again."

who is Hatem Bazian?

*spit*

[Link: amercult.berkeley.edu...]

[Link: www.mcgilldaily.com...]

*spit*

Assuming that a minor miracle occurred tomorrow morning, and the leaders of the U.S., Canada, Australia, the U.K., etc., collectively woke up and realized that the presence of people like Dr. Hatem was incompatible with a free, open, pluralistic society -- then what?

How would you go about removing these people, not to mention the naturalized citizens who subscribe to these beliefs, from your country? Where would you send them? And who would decide who was to be deported and who stayed?

Moreover, how would you do it in a cilivized way, that did not undermine democracy, civil rights, etc?

If there is another 9-11 style attack, or worse, these questions will take on new importance. Now's the time to start thinking about answers.

Canuck,

Stir it up
Li'l darlin' stir it up

Lovin' it.

They're so cute when they get cranky.

Feels squishy doesn't it?

The blood of soldiers and civilians killed in Iraq on your war-cheerleading hands.

Now you're advocating "taking out" the "insects" that have a different opinion?

The LGF poll (Late German Fascists)was a great idea. Thanks for proving them right.

Bring.It.On.

You guys do know you are being egged on into a frenzie.

Tasty, I think that you have a good point there.

Hatem Bazian's violent rhetoric is totally against what the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims believe.

No sale. And one Muslim leader wil not convince me. It will take massive rallies by literally hundreds of thousands of Muslims here in the US and in Eurostan as well as repeated statements by a preponderance of local Muslim leaders before I am convinced Muslims by their very nature do not mean to harm to myself and my family.

Muslims worldwide have been perpetuating war since 1979. It is too late for words and for press releases.

Peaceful Muslim is an oxymoron.

I bet CAIR would like to buy your product though.

ROPMA

Hey, Shystee

Since when is calling for an infitada in the US just a differing opinion?

Check this out at Belmont Club: Sadr's disinformation campaign.

The circumstances fueling the account by Lee Gordon of the London Telegraph has so many eerie similarities to the New York Times John Burns piece on the Golden Mosque that they fairly jump out. A team from a writer or newspaper respected by conservatives is captured on the road. The journalists are taken to a picturesque location where they are first greeted with hostility, then granted surprising liberty. A sense of shared danger bonds them with their captors. Scenes are provided to lend color. Due to a surprising coincidence, the captured journalists stumble on information every Western intelligence agency wants to know. The preparations to defend the Golden Mosque, the fate of the missing German counterterrorism agents. Then, as quickly as they were captured, they are released. Not for them is the long and slow incarceration of Terry Waite, but a hearty goodbye, encumbered only by the promise that they will tell the world the truth, on their word as Americans or Englishmen.

Then he compares the news stories paragraph by paragraph. This is a scoop.

OT

But the RoP condems attacking holy places, right?

#34

Our guys are out there, in growing numbers. Wish I could be, but I'm too old. Canada will be back on side soon. The Liberal government will be ejected.

#42 I expect a similar tale from the Japanese kids.

#36, Word-twister:

Wow. A real life illustration of Cox & Forkum's new cartoon. It's amazing, really.

"Insect" was linked to "deport," not "take out." But thanks for playing. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

-dg

#36

GAZE

I am waiting for your answer, Shystee.

#14, right on the mark. I posted the text on another thread and it bears repeating here:

16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act

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United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff.
A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.
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SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

********************************************
They're not anti-war, they are just on the other side.

#36

"Now you're advocating "taking out" the "insects" that have a different opinion?"

Well, actually, no. We are advocating self-defense. The protestors have every right to their opinions, of course. When it comes to fomenting "intifada" (which would necessarily involve the deaths of many civilians) however, a line has been crossed.

In the US, you are permitted - nay, encouraged - to have whatever ideas you like. If you and some like-minded people can get representatives elected, you can even make a difference in the way the US (or at least your community in the US) is run.

You are not permitted to foment violent revolution. If you hate the US that much, you should move to a more congenial society. There are many, I am sure.

badanov:

No sale. And one Muslim leader wil not convince me. It will take massive rallies by literally hundreds of thousands of Muslims here in the US

No, no, no, let's not get utopian.

I'm looking for ONE PROMINENT MUSLIM who will denounce Hatem Bazian's call for war against the United States. Failing that, how about ONE NOT-SO-PROMINENT MUSLIM?

Trolls, go ye forth and find one. JUST ONE.

Shyster, "insects" who mention that? Try reading the Law of the Land. Treason is clearly defined and your leftists pals are traitors. I would never insult an praying mantis by comparing it to the likes of you.

Shystee...your gonadal atrophy shouldn't keep you away from the keyboard.

When you crawl out of your hole please explain how

"it’s about time that we have an intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here."

is a simple difference of opinion rather than an incitment to revolution.

Please use specific examples to illustrate your point.

The Islamists "picked this fight" (not Islam itself). Now they are going to get it. Troops are mounting everywhere, and the enemy cannot prevail. Give up the fight, hard-core Islamists, before it is too late.

Let's build libraries, and educate our children instead.

Atrios is now joining in on LGF bashing....

"Little Green Footballs or Late German Fascists? Take the quiz!

-Atrios 9:03 PM"

No, no, no, let's not get utopian.

Actually, I was thinking of getting medieval.

But now I understand.

A really sick and evil group of people. They want to see American blood spilled, these "peace activists." their faces are so very punchable.

#36 Shystee :

hey Shit-see. Did it never occur to you that "different opinion" that incites uprisings and wars on the US is illegal and treasonous? Of course you didn't, you braindead appeasing idiot. Just egg them on, and when THEY kill YOU, it'll be fine (for me, that is).

Can anyone perhaps show Hatem's little diatribe to some intelligence agency JUST IN CASE they didn't see it already? I mean, hopefully whoever sifts through this data already noticed this, but if not, alerting them would be a very good deed.

"They can cry 1st amendment all they want, I'll keep the 2nd in my back pocket. "

"Time to line up a few traitors against a wall."

"perhaps we can begin by leveling UC Berkeley Lecturer Hatem Bazian's house."

"I'm sure there are more than just a few cops out there who would cherish the thought of taking said radicals out right where they stand"

Just a small sample of quotes on this thread. This person has committed no crime yet you advocate he be silenced by assassination. Or is yours just boisterous trash talking? Ha ha ha. Violent repression of free speech is not fucking funny.

And about those blood stains on your hands....

How come we don’t have an intifada in this country? Because it seem[s] to me, that we are comfortable in where we are

So let's destroy this place where everyone is relaxed and comfortable so that we can be as miserable as the palestinians.

/sarcasm off

"Bring it on." First, they will have to find some children to hide behind.

More and more of these bottom-feeders are showing up in the US. I have no doubt, come December of this year, that they'll go into a full-bore frothing and seething fit. I won't be surprised if, after November 2nd, there's not at least two or three incidents of violence connected to either Islamists or LLLs.

By playing on the US fear that victory is impossible to achieve, that, as Sadr said, Iraq will become "another Vietnam," Hizbullah will seek to convince enough Americans that staying is pointless to force George W. Bush out of office and force a retreat of US forces from Iraq. This would be achieved to greatest effect if a sense of chaos and futility can be conveyed to the American people watching the violence on their television screens.

To combat this effort, it is vital for the administration not to lose control of the tone of the public debate either in Iraq or in the US. The decision to close Sadr's newspaper was of crucial importance for this reason. As Sadr's militia is publishing its announcements on Hizbullah's Al-Manar satellite network, arresting Al-Manar reporters and blocking the station from Iraqi television would also be a vital move.

Hizbullah's Iraqi campaign

First, they will have to find some children to hide behind.

Women will also do.

They are after all progressives.

Seditious libel and treason are capital crimes fool.

#59

"Violent repression of free speech is not fucking funny."

You are right - it isn't. You will notice that not one of the protestors got so much as a bloody nose.

The rhetoric you find here isn't very different from the rhetoric in the protests. Why do you object to one but not the other?

Remember the message of Love from Our Lord (and for Muslims, I understand that you worship differently, you just cannot kill people any longer).

We also--all Western societies--know defense. The right thing will will be done in WWIII, as it was in WWII.

I have a niece and her boyfriend attending Berkeley, and we go through de-programming quite often. When they visit, I have a Middle East map handy and lots of food. I talk my head off, send them home with books, and hope for the best.

Speaking of books, a good read: "Still Life With Bombers: Israel in the Age of Terrorism" by David Horovitz (editor of Jerusalem Report).

#33 Midas Mulligan

Valid point. I fear we will be revisiting Korematsu v. United States before all is said and done.

Shystee,

Point of fact: The second amendment gives me the right to defend myself thru bearing arms, it in no way implies assassination of disenters. Gun Control laws are usually a hallmark of leftist thinking however.

to continue

Any condemnations about Saddams WMDs? You say they don't exist, ask the Kurds about them.

Any condemnations about Iraqi mass graves? The left was silent enough for years about them.

Any condemnations about suicide bombings in Israel? Or do the Palis have the right to slaughter women and children at will without reprisal?

How's the blood on your hands, you malignant troll?

#59:

Yawn.

GAZE

-dg

#59 shystee

The man was calling for violent revolution. What part of that do you not understand?

Violent repression of free speech is not fucking funny.

those clowns suscribe to arab fascism and communism - not free speech's greatest advocates, last I heard.

In the words of a future nobel peace prize winner:

Lyrics by David Robbins & Tim Robbins

Complain

Some people must have.

Some people have not.

But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

Some people will work.

Some simply will not.

But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

Like this: It’s society’s fault I don’t have a job.

It’s society’s fault I am a slob.

I have potential no one can see.

Give me welfare. Let me be me!

Hey, Bud, you’re livin’ in the Land of the Free.

No one’s gonna hand you opportunity!

Some people must have.

Some never will.

But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

I don’t have a house. I don’t have a car.

I spend all my money gettin’ drunk in a bar.

I wanna be rich. I don’t have a brain.

Just give me a handout while I complain.

Or this: I wanna stay in bed and watch TV.

Go out weekends in a limousine

And dance all night takin’ lots of drugs

And wake up when I wanna.

Hey, Bud, you’re livin’ in the Land of the Free.

No one’s gonna hand you opportunity!

Some people will learn.

Some never do.

But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

Yeah, they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

[Link: runningblogcapitalist.blognz.com...]

"Violent repression of free speech is not fucking funny." Tell that to Salmon Rushdie

But the stern punishment of treason is sanctioned in the Constitution. Read it, punk.

Intifada means resistance, doesn't it?
I don't see anything in the quote that specifically advocates anything violent.

If you seriously believe this person is advocating violent overthrow of the government then they are committing a crime. Call 911, the FBI, whoever and take a break from jacking off to your violent fantasies.

"Hello, emergency"

"Um, I'd like to report.. a traitor..."

"Sir?"

Intifada means resistance, doesn't it?

no, in this case intifada means jihad

#76:

Show me a nonviolent intifada. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.

-dg

Hopefully these boneheads are being tracked by the FBI.

This person has committed no crime yet you advocate he be silenced by assassination.

Actually, many here are making the point that in fact a crime has been committed.

Question: If liberal, al-Qaedacrat filth take it to the streets, and let's face it--they're too stupid not to, who has to supply their toe tags?

Intifada means resistance, doesn't it?

Actually, it means uprising.

The funniest part is that if the very first people the islamo-fascists would execute are godless trotsyist-marxists. talk about stupid bed fellows.

but of course, their shared hatred of freedom, the west, and all things not fascist means the far left will continue to be pimped by the islamo-fascists.

[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

in·ti·fa·da also in·ti·fa·dah ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-fäd)
n.
An uprising among Palestinian Arabs of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, beginning in late 1987 and continuing sporadically into the early 1990s, in protest against continued Israeli occupation of these territories.

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There is no way this doesn't imply bloodshed.

Maybe we can all email Berkley's administration and demand that he be fired for his open treason.

#69 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

Thanks.

This is what differentiates most of the people on this board from the Shystees of this world. We are looking for solutions, not just pouring gasoline on the flames of anarchy.

Unfortunately, solutions are difficult. Spouting stupidity like "Bush=Hitler," OTOH, is easy.

oh please oh please! let it happen! let the LLL start an intifada! That would be priceless. They would get wiped out in a day. LMAO!

#76 troll

(Is "shystee" some pun on "shyster," asshole?)

You're being disingenuous at best. The "intifadas" in Israel and in Iraq are both violent uprisings. Therefore, it is quite reasonable to presume Hatem was calling for violent resistance in the U.S.

If you defend Hatem's right to advocate this, then you must also defend any given LGFer's right to express violent disapproval. After all, it's only words, isn't it? Free speech!

Hypocrite.

This boy Hatem's letting his mouth write a bigger check than his body's prepared to cash methinks. Apparently they think you can make armour out of bullshit in Berkley.

It's kind of like our 'treason' system is on the fritz.

How much further can they go?

How come we don’t have an intifada in this country?

Take a deep breath, and then go look up the stats on gun ownership in this country. The answer should hit you pretty fast.

it’s about time that we have an intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here.

It certainly would change the dynamics in this country, but probably not in the way you think it would. Remember when you all thought it would be a good thing if people started researching Islam? Didn't come to the conclusions you expected us too, did we?

you haven’t seen radicalism yet!

Oh son, please. For the sake of everything you love, I beg you - open a US history book. A real one, not that Berkeley crap. You need to understand exactly what you are trying to put in motion. You really do.

OK:

[Link: www.berkeley.edu...]

Now what's the email address of the guy that sending a ton of emails to will possibly get him to fire this stupid treasonous fuckface?

i hope in america this is a fringe lunatic minority?

here in Europe, unforanately, this is the face of the mainstream left

#76 shystee

Intifada means resistance, doesn't it? I don't see anything in the quote that specifically advocates anything violent.

Read the story again:

Well, we’ve been watching intifada in Palestine, we’ve been watching an uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don’t have an intifada in this country?

And precisely what form does the Palestinian intifada take? Sit-ins? Protest marches? Pink Tanks? Funny, every scrap of news that comes out of the ME leads me to beleive that intifada might, just might have something to do with killing lots of innocent people.

It is Mr. Bazian who made that connection, not anyone posting here. Do deny that that connection was made is to be willfully ignorant.

#19 FH

Model4, you are correct. This will never make the News Networks, including Fox. What a Mad, Mad world we live in...

It doesn’t need to make the news networks. By tomorrow morning, Instapundit will have picked this up. Then Taranto will follow, then Mark Steyn, Jonah Goldberg and Lileks. By five tomorrow afternoon, this will be all over the web. Steyn, Goldberg and Lileks will have it in newspapers by the end of the week. Screw the networks, they’re selling yesterday’s news today.

Zombie, you are a National Treasure. Your efforts are not any less important to America’s survival than the efforts of America’s soldiers.

Hate M Bazian .com

The time is overdue to establish independent centers in North America for rigorous Islamic learning. In order to attain a fuller submission to Allah, we must recognize that Allah is present in every realm of knowledge, whether it be math, physics, fiqh, medicine, tafseer, engineering, or tajweed. We have been learning from those who desire only to remove Allah (S.W.T.) from knowledge. It is therefore a necessity for us to remove the cover that has been placed over Islamic knowledge. All of our knowledge ultimately has to be Islamic, but the prerequisite for a true Islamization of our knowledge is a firm grounding in the sciences of religion. It is the goal of al-Qalam to provide that grounding.

#76

Intifada means resistance. Correct. The examples Mr. Bazian used in his speech are not Gandhi's.

He used the Palestinian intifada, where suicide/homicide bombers do their damndest to kill as many civilians as possible. He used the uprising in Iraq, where a bunch of Syrian/Iranian/Iraqi/etc. terrorists and ex-Baathists are doing their best to kill as many of the Coalition forces as possible.

If one is to take his examples of intifada as what he desires to see in an intifada here, yes, he is advocating violent insurrection and revolution.

Do you really want to be around if/when his intifada begins?

By the way, I do not know if he is a citizen? If he is not, the penalties are much lighter - merely deportation.

#93 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

That last sentence should be...

To deny that that connection was made is to be willfully ignorant.

PIMF.

As the great Ronald Reagan once regarding violent left-wing protesters (while governor of California during the late '60s), "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with."

Also, what did he say after he finished "we haven't seen radicalism yet," anyone know?

I ask because it sucks to make a fool out of ourselves if the next sentence was "I advocate a peaceful intifada" or something like that. I mean, the chances are next to nothing, but it's technically possible.

Do you really want to be around if/when his intifada begins?

I not only want to be around, I want to be locked and loaded.

I'm now listening to Jim Morrison's "This Is The End".

I'm divided between inspirational music, and such apocalyptic pieces right now. I don't think the enemy truly knows what he is up against. There are Canadian destroyers out there tonight, and they basically take orders from CENTCOM right now.

Islamists, you had better start to dissipate the anger toward the US. Otherwise, Americans will "walk down the hall", against radical Islam. You will all be killed, in a "justified" genocide which has never been seen before.

The West wants to get on with more productive things than truck bombs.

#33 Midas Mulligan

Moreover, how would you do it in a cilivized way, that did not undermine democracy, civil rights, etc?

Basically, representatives in the House, after receiving massive public input, would begin introducing bills, modeled on the German laws prohibiting Nazism, declaring certain ideologies incompatible with our political system, values, way of life etc., and demanding that they be banned, and the Bill of Rights amended accordingly. The first several will be voted down. People will have to die first.

After several attacks, the bill would pass in the House and move to the Senate, where it would stall. A couple more attacks and it would pass overwhelmingly (the public would demand it). The sitting president would sign it into law immediately, because to veto it would launch a civil war. In the meantime lawsuits would be launched, but fat lot of good they would do. The law was passed through an entirely democratic process. The traitors at the ACLU would try their damndest, but in the face of 80+% public support for the guvmint's actions, they would ultimately fail.

How would you go about removing these people

Most of these people would remove themselves. Witness the exodus of many Muslims after 9-11 for Canada and other countries. They all complained about the "hostile climate". Those people have no idea what a real hostile climate is. Not far from where I live (about 15 miles) there's a mosque that a large number of people marched on in reaction to 9-11. The media reported and portrayed it as an out-pouring of bigotry. What they failed to tell the public was that Muslims in that neighborhood were openly celebrating on 9-11, cheering, honking horns, laughing------and the march was in response to that. Because there were no follow-up attacks in the days after 9-11, the offended people simmered down and dropped it. But just you watch what the average American will do in the face of a wave of suicide bombings at grocery stores, for example. This is why the average person who is unaware of the machinations of the State Dept. scratches his head in response to the Israeli lack of response to their jihadi problem.

It kind of makes you wonder, what the hell is the FBI doing? How far are they going to let this go? Do we have to have complete chaos before they act?

I know if I'm 15 over on the speed I have to pay. But then this shit, and all the rest, goes on and on an fucking on.

It really is subversively depressing. I'd like to see some justice.

If I believed in capital punishment, I'd say hang the seditious rat bastard.

Shyster, you need to read English, then learn how to think. Your Mohammedan friend reference the Paleostinian Intifada and the Iraqi "uprising" before calling for the same in the USA. That's incitement, little boy.

Here is the website for U.C. Berkeley's Near Eastern Studies Department's faculty e-mail addresses: E-mail addresses

I suppose this guy is tenured too?

A bit of Everclear "Wonderful" always perks me up, as does Canada's own Nelly Furtado ("Hey, Man").

Let's protect what we've built, Yanks.

Just so I can be prepared for the coming "intifada"
what caliber of gun is best at stopping an oncoming
1985 volvo with "Imagine world peace" and "Zionism-racism" bumper stickers?

Here is a page that lists all the key administrators at U.C. Berkeley with links to their personal web pages, which have their e-mail addresses: U.C. Berkeley Administrators

Is it apparent yet that Islamic Studies and/or Middle Eastern Studies departments at our major universities should be defunded? If the US government is paying for this kind of 'research' it should be stopped. If foreigners are funding the 'research', it should be stopped. If domestic philanthropy is funding it, it should be stopped and they should be tried for treason.

Calling for an uprising against one's own government is apparently OK --for someone who in one of the clips claimed that the war in Iraq is "illegal."

According to whose law?

what caliber of gun is best at stopping an oncoming
1985 volvo with "Imagine world peace" and "Zionism-racism" bumper stickers?

Intifada means "uprising" or "revolt" or "insurrection" or "rebellion", usually against an existing government.

If someone can show me and inifada that has not resulted in significant violence against a government and/or the people thereof, I'd love to hear it.

As it stands, he was calling for an uprising to root our our current government, and imposition by violent revolt of a forced, i.e. non-democratic process of political change.

Just because the word is Arabic doesn't mean it doesn't mean what it means. What really burns the el cubists is that we are outraged at a call to violence by a muslim.

We shouldn't be so nasty and politically incorrect. To the el cubists, It's only violent speech when it's by a Jew or a neo-con.

#111 Buzz

As someone who is working toward a degree in that area, I would say we all need to get busy writing our congresscritters to support H.R. 3077 the "“International Studies in Higher Education Act of 2003,” most Middle Eastern Studies/Languages depts at U.S. universities are sinkholes of Islamist sympathy and anti-Israeli vitriol.

The last time I checked, we have "intifadas" at regularly scheduled intervals. They're called elections.

here.

change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here.

We also have a perfectly fine baseline for political dynamics in the USA -- its called the constitution.

Anyone who can't deal with this system, even with its imperfections, should find some other place that suits them.

The far left knows their stock is going down - fast. That's why they're so testy lately.

OT: This is interesting:

Spanish killers may have called British cleric

SPANISH police believe the Madrid bombers may have called a radical Islamic leader based in Britain shortly before they blew themselves up last week, a month after the train bombs killed 191 people.

Police believe the suspect terrorists called a man - possibly a cleric - last Saturday before committing collective suicide as police prepared to storm their apartment outside Madrid, the leading Spanish newspaper El Pais said, citing unidentified sources involved in the police investigation.

Investigators said they had little information about the suspect but think he is a radical Islamic leader and possibly an imam. Spanish police were reported as believing the call might indicate that the Madrid attacks were backed by people in Britain.

#109 piglet:

Just so I can be prepared for the coming "intifada" what caliber of gun is best at stopping an oncoming 1985 volvo with "Imagine world peace" and "Zionism-racism" bumper stickers?

This one.

April 15th is coming...tax time. Just to think that I pay Hate'm's salary....I want to puke.

We should all call and write to our local government reps. We do believe in free speech! That is why we should excercise it with a call to throw this animal out of the UC system.

Let him teach at AL QUDS University in Cairo...there he will make $200/month..which is still more than he deserves but less than what we give the rat...

The irony is that even if he taught in Cairo we would still be the ones footing his bill (US aid to Egypt).

The war hasn't started. When scum like Hate'm are deported, then we will know the war started.

Faster please. Faster.

#109 piglet

The 45.70 Government with brass/lead composite bullets will stop a car by disabling the engine.

On the other hand the standard 300 gr hollowpoints tend to shatter and spray the passenger compartment with various sized lead bits. This was after passing through the front of the hood, the carburetor body and the firewall.

( I tested this on a Toyopet I found rusting in the desert.)

If you can afford around a grand you can get a legal AR15. Good all around shooting iron. ;)

#102 Tasty Beverage

I think it's also going to take an explicit admission that multiculturalism doesn't work, and an acceptance that the "dead white men" may have been on to something, particularly with regard to science, art, medicine, economics, etc.

Unfortunately, I agree that it is going to take a series of major -- horrible -- events before we get to that point.

#118 Model4

General Electric GAU-8/A "Avenger" 30mm Rotary Cannon

LOL!

AFAIK piglet is a private citizen. No rotary cannons for us...

#94 Chet Roi

It doesn’t need to make the news networks. By tomorrow morning, Instapundit will have picked this up. Then Taranto will follow, then Mark Steyn, Jonah Goldberg and Lileks. By five tomorrow afternoon, this will be all over the web. Steyn, Goldberg and Lileks will have it in newspapers by the end of the week. Screw the networks, they’re selling yesterday’s news today.

That is why I love the blogosphere. The Revolution may not be Televised, but it will be blogged.

My fellow lizardoids, now is a good time to invest in a firearm. Guns stop islamist terrorists in their tracks. Literally.
Plus it's a lot of fun to shoot targets and clays.

A surplus yugoslav SKS can be had for $150, and a decent pump action 12-gauge for $200. Add a decent pistol and you have an instant islamist and moonbat defense kit.

What are you waiting for?

Hate M Bazian jpg

From Hate M Bazian yelled

Hatem Bazian, a lecturer in the Middle East Studies department and member of the Students for Justice in Palestine stated, to the approval of the crowd, "If you want to know where the pressure on the university [i.e., to prosecute the trespassers who were arrested] is coming from, look at the Jewish names on the school buildings."

A little googling shows that Hatem was espousing propoganda all throughout his grad student days as well.

This is just one during his grad student days:

Anti-Zionist speaker causes ruckus at S.F. high school
[Link: www.jewishsf.com...]
Hatem Bazian, a graduate student at U.C. Berkeley with a long history of espousing anti-Zionist rhetoric in the Bay Area, was the lone speaker at the assemblies on May 9.

Billed as a Middle Eastern cultural assembly, it also featured a rap song by a student, in which Zionists were compared to Nazis while students ran back and forth with Palestinian flags, according to those in attendance.

OT - Why is GWB bothering to have Hosni "I've already wasted $50 billion in U.S. aid" Mubarak over at the ranch today? I dream that he grabs that sand eating f'er by the neck and squeezes until his eyes pop out - or at least make him say he'll do something to help US interests in the ME.

Where is the media? God damn it, where are they?
Why isn't this on every TV channel?

All sensible Americans would be revulsed by this, if they could only see it!

#109 Piglet

In addition to the other suggestions on this thread here is an excellent choice for your application. They are quite spendy but they’re totally legal and available through licensed dealers nationwide.

Good shooting.

Hope this link works

Reports of last year's exhortations to "kill the Jews" by organizers like UC Berkeley professor Hatem Bazian and featured guest of honor, Sami Al-Arian, currently in federal prison as a leading fundraiser for Islamic Jihad, have not slowed this event down a bit.

This Jew-hating bastard's name is Hatem? How apt.

To an above question re. whether he is tenured --it doesn't sound like it. I couldn't say for sure but his own web site says "currently a lecturer."

The info is a little vague. He was a student at Berkely as far back as 1990 --in grad school there in 1997 --and heading various Muslim student organizations throughout that time. He was with a grad student program into 1999.

I can't find when he actually graduated but it would appear in the PhD was in the last few years.

#129 Chet Roi Re: Barret

I notice the site don't show the bruises those things cause. ;)

#59 Shystee

This person has committed no crime yet you advocate he be silenced by assassination

Just like Yassin committed no crime? Hitler didn't do the dirty work himself either.

A few bruises are a small price to pay when a rusty Volvo is bearing down on you.

Josh:

My fellow lizardoids, now is a good time to invest in a firearm.

Mine is a Sig Sauer P239.

Don't be fooled into thinking the government is going to protect you when the hammer goes down this year during the election--when "spontaneous demonstrations" break out, bombs go off, and assassinations take place.

The future is here. The days of letter writing and marching are coming to an end. Be prepared to act because the home front is coming to your doorstep.

#130 justdanny™

Reports of last year's exhortations to "kill the Jews" by organizers like UC Berkeley professor Hatem Bazian and featured guest of honor, Sami Al-Arian, currently in federal prison as a leading fundraiser for Islamic Jihad, have not slowed this event down a bit.

So when does Hatem join 'im?

just spent the weekend with some Democrat friends in NJ> not bad people, but not thinking too straight.

but they DID say they realize that the chief thing is to fight the war against the islamofascists. they don't want to lose our country or way of life, and don't want that living horror of a religion to take over here...

i suggested to them that this fight is going to be more important than cheney's halliburton stock options, and they actually agreed

also that we're in it for the long haul.

so, all is not lost. there are actually democrats still capable of thinking straight on this.

but, they still think kerry is the "man" to do it.

So, what to do? hammer away at him for his extremely dangerous idea that this is a "law enforcement matter." that's a legit point and one our friends might actually listen to. we need as many Americans on board and rowing like hell to see this through.

Happy Easter, comrades!

Just a thought for all the LLL out there:

Some people prepare for bad times by stockpiling food, water, blankets, etc and hoping to wait it out.

Some people prepare for bad times by stockpiling weapons, ammo etc. and ready themselves to fight if need be.

Who is your money on to come out ahead in the long run?

I'll be cleaning my Mossberg and teaching my daughters how to fight dirty and shoot gun if you need to reach me.

Ole Hatem is just bucking for the Darwin Award [VBG].

#121 Midas Mulligan

I think it's also going to take an explicit admission that multiculturalism doesn't work, and an acceptance that the "dead white men" may have been on to something

Suicide bombings in the US will swiftly accomplish just that. The jihadis honestly have no idea whom they're dealing with. Multiculturalism hasn't taken root here, to the angst of the academics, because of the "melting pot" tradition in the US. The sneering elites of the Ivory Towers can bitch and moan till they're hoarse, but after almost 40 solid years of attempting to ram multiCult down our throats, Americans still expect newcomers to assimilate. Those who refuse are looked upon with suspicion and contempt.

#139 Kragar

I have a Mossberg too!

I watched those videos, and I can only say

I'll take what is treason for $1000 alex.

Fools, those in the crowd who don't seem to understand what the word Intifada means in real terms. I live and work inside one of the cities mentioned in those lovely little speeches. If this comes to pass, and should I fall victim to it, I know that I could count on at least you fine folks to scream vengance for me.

God Bless.

#141 Tasty Beverage

Sweet. Mine is a model 500 "Persuader" (love that name), 8+1 round 12ga. I've also got a Ruger (P-95 IIRC), 10+1 rounds, .40 cal automatic. If thing get nasty, then thats where the kukri comes out. I love my kukri, I love it good.

Once again, if you really believe this person has committed a crime, drop a dime on him. Let a court decide.

Your pseudonymous internet-posted threats do nothing but make you look like fascists and maybe get
you closer to your next wargasm. Enjoy the bloody lubrication.

Do you really want armed conflict left vs. right in the USA? Thanks to the right for taking us another step towards becoming a 3rd world country.

The countdown for lunatic fringe LLLs, in their rapid convergence with Dark Age Islamist Savagery, to start splodeydoping, 6 5 4 3 2

Any day now, any day.

And when it happens, maybe post 4 by Infidel will come true:

The time to invoke Article III Section III of the Constitution of the United States of America is long overdue. Time to line up a few traitors against a wall.

I am veering back toward thinking it is going to take another 9-11. We have longed to care about stupid shit for enough time that a critical mass has gone ahead and done so.

#142, DG:

I'd like to take this opportunity to mention DG and I are not the same person.

(I'm not saying that to disavow the post, BTW. I agree with it. I'm only trying to preempt any confusion that may arise.)

-dg

#144:Well? I'm still waiting.

-dg

I go by dg here and everywhere else - and defense guy at the rott. Don't know why, just is.

Thanks for agreeing dexter. I didn't mean to steal your monogram.

My email to CAIR

To whom it may concern;

Do you or do you not condone a call to armed resistance or "intifada" made by a prominent professor at the University of California, Berkeley? Bottom link please.

[Link: users.lmi.net...]

NTropy (I did use my real name)
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion……OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF!!

Has anybody else watched "Mr. Holland's Opus" lately?

For me, it's difficult to go more than a week or two without reviewing that stirring and instructive tale.

Oh, and, "Hi, zulubaby..."

Jamie Irons

#143 Kragar

Mine is a model 500 "Persuader" (love that name)

Mine is the Intimidator 590 (LOVE that name)

LOL

It takes 8+1 shells (as opposed to the standard 500, which takes 8), and has room for 3 additional in the stock.

I used it to thwart a break-in once. I only had to pump it.

It was one of the funniest experiences of my life.
-------------

Goodnight minions.

#148:

No worries. Doesn't bother me a bit.

If you somehow catch the LLL bug and go stark raving mad ... then I might have to object. :)

-dg

#144

You're grandstanding. You haven't addressed a single point raised in response to your previous posts. You claimed "intifada" means "resistance" and somehow doesn't imply violence. Care to defend that assertion? No?

If you believe the posters here are seriously urging others to commit violence against this person, why don't you contact the authorities?

If Hatem is allowed his "rhetoric" in favor of "resistance," why are the posters here not allowed the same? Can you say "double-standard"?

Frankly, I think you're a racist - you don't take Hatem seriously because he's an Arab... only the "white" people on this blog are capable of real evil...

the NES dept at UC Berkeley is infected with at least one card-carrying hamas member with this guy has been cut from the mold.

our arabic teacher actually played that "I hate Israel" song to the class. can you believe it?

The fbi is supposed to be keeping tabs, but that doesn't mean that anyone will act.

but that would also mean ousting all of those other "fine professors" who outwardly support violent intifada.

# 31

I'm not a lawyer either, but God willing, I will be soon.

I beleive you are correct sir. Although if this peice of shit get's any more specific than this,

"it’s about time that we have an intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here. And we know every— They’re gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well, you haven’t seen radicalism yet!”

we just might have a case for conspiracy to commit a crime.

The issue is what is intifada? I don't think any American court has decided that issue.

The jurisdiction would probably be in the left's favorite 9th circuit (his reference to "this country" I believe would put the case in the federal system) and it would make it to the appellate level. That court would probably allow his cross claim of defimation to stand and dismiss all charges against the American hating jerk-off.

What a piece of work this guy is.

Hey, Hatem Bazian, dick head, my shoe on your face bitch. Bring on your doomed intifada, you short bus riding terrorist piece of shit.

Good Night all and keep you powder dry

#144 shystee

its people like you, with pee cee shit for brains, who take us "another step towards becoming a 3rd world country. "

come back and post when you have mastered critical thinking,

maybe that will happen, after Hatem Bazian calls for an intifada in the United States, will be answered,

and the first act will be a shihad at your house.

what a satisfying thought..

#144 Shyster

Your time in the reeducation camp must have been a harrowing experience. It's possible to build a hot air balloon out of clothes. It takes time, but the free world awaits.

"Intifada" is Arabic for "shaking off". So, if Americans "shake off" Mr. Bazian and his ilk, that would be an "intifada".

Mr. Bazian doesn't seem to understand that an "intifada" is a two edged sword. I somehow doubt that he wants to be given a "cultural lesson" on what it is like to be an Israeli -- or a pied noir during and after the Battle of Algiers.

The problem with Mr. Bazian's advocacy of "intifada" is that he may very well get it. Imagine if a list were made of every mosque that accepted money from Saudi charities. Imagine if enclaves of Mr. Bazian's compatriots were considered to be "Palestinian settlements". Imagine if an anti-Arab version of the Great Arab Boycott of 1936 were instituted. Mr. Bazian should not assume that he is immune from the mob violence he advocates.

The Bush administration -- to its credit -- has been trying to stop mob violence. Yet, when Bay Area protestors advocate lynching and mob violence, it would send a chilling message if their favored candidate (translation: anybody but Bush) wins.

One of the essential reasons the Bush administration is at war is not merely to defend America but to make a good faith effort to kill or capture those responsible for 9-11. A refusal to defend America would cause the government to lose legitimacy. If the government loses legitimacy, mob violence results.

Those who advocate mob violence tend not to realize that they may become victims of it. The bitter irony is that those areas with the most anti-war sentiment are also those areas with the most anti-Arab hatred. I'm pretty sure that an "anti-Arab intifada" would be altogether too popular in France and Germany. Given the Bay Area's history of hoodlums, it seems that Mr. Bazian is living in a bubble.

Hey! I just realized: shystee is an Old Leftie! (Stalinist variety, no doubt...)

he used the phrase "drop a dime on him." Well, sportsfans, that means he's at least in his forties, prob., and a veteran of the Vietnam abandonment movement.

IOW, a retread [G].

As far as the intifada here goes, that could be fun. They would last about five minutes, and we could really take out the trash. I've had it with these murdering Arab nutters.

shystee uses typical muslim thinking patterns

Intifada means resistance, doesn't it?
I don't see anything in the quote that specifically advocates anything violent.

no,asshole

intifada means suicide bombers targeting civillians

#159

Well spoken.

To that I would only add this bit of simplicity.

The ;last time something akin to an intifada was attempted in this country, it was put down with a horrible murderous rage. To think that would not happen again is ridiculous, and those calling for it probably know that.

Maybe we can all email Berkley's administration and demand that Hatem be fired for his open treason.

no that would just get him a promotion or a pay raise. the way to get him fired is to tell them that he has converted to judaism and is now a staunch zionist. that kind of thing will simply not be tolerated!

Gee thanks guys, I guess anything on this page would do it:

[Link: www.armyjeeps.net...]

I was thinking more along the lines of something smaller than a Barrett, $249 dollars for 80 rounds, ouch!

#164 piglet

Stick with the more common calibers (.22LR. 38, .30-06, .45, .308, 9mm, 7.62mm), and you won't have a problem. Rounds are cheaper and easy to find in most areas. Plan ahead, talk to friends and see what kind of weapons and ammo they use. This way, you can swap and resupply each other if need be.

Shystee

"different opinions"

It is my opinion that terror-inciting shitheads like you have the blood of millions on your hands, from Vietnam and Cambodia to Israel and Saddam's mass graves.

I advocate the same approach with you that your friends and fellow protestors have advocated for loyal Americans, that you be burned alive and your scorched carcass hung from the Bay Bridge as a warning to other pop-culture conformist terror whores.

Now, do you have a problem with that, shit for brains? How? Don't you support "free speech" and "different opinions?"
You and the other shithead authoritarian wannabes are not a priveleged class.

Hate'm blew his cover. The simmering hatred just boiled over. So rarely to these faux-reasonable Muslims lose their cool. The hard part has always been separating the violent ones from the just angry ones. Hopefully his other comrades will follow suit. If this guy and his followers walk the talk we could end this thing fairly quickly.

Actually, Shystee has a point. Incediary remarks about Hater will not do much good aside from venting, and may even cause harm.

However, the continued activity of Hater is damaging. He is indeed in breach of law, since he's advocating acts which have cost some 1,000 dead in Israel, and several hundred dead US soldiers in Iraq (as if little innocent and ignorant Shystee didn't know it).

As some have pointed out, there's no need to be a man of action in order to be the killer of millions. Who did Hitler kill with his both hands? Or Stalin? Or Arafat? Or Yassin? Or Pol Pot? Or Mao? Or Lil' Kim? Or Kim the Elder?
Now, this pissant Hater is not even close to any of them, but should people take up on his words, he will be responsible for deaths.
Things should not progress to this point, where people like Shystee will raise their hands in mock surprise and say "how could we know?" They know, all right, and support the guy, even if simply by alluding to him without opposing him.

The best way to deal with people like Hater is simply to give them the chance to do something for those they identify with. He has shown were his true loyalties lie. Deportation is the answer, and people should lobby their reps for it. Let him be his pal's problem. Like many faux communists, he'll see the error of his ways soon enough when he is inside the system he's advocating.

This may take some time, or never come at all. As of now, he is in breach of the law. This should be reported. He is endangering lives and property. If Shystee is indeed an officer of the court, as his handle implies, he should be the first one to do so.

If Shystee is indeed an officer of the court, as his handle implies, he should be the first one to do so.

call me paranoid

I thought his name was related to Shyster...just another slur

#163 dan,

LOL! They'll show him what freedom of speech left-style truly means!

Tracking the Siberian bridge troll. Look for huge piles of excrement or insane diagrams.

Could it be this one? Nutty flow chart awaits.

Perhaps it shits in the woods?

Here is a page that lists all the key administrators at U.C. Berkeley with links to their personal web pages, which have their e-mail addresses: U.C. Berkeley Administrators
*********************************************
That's a real waste of time. They were probably up on the podium with him.

I wrote my Senator, with link and text, asking if this guy is a citizen, or here on a visa or as a permanent resident.

If the latter two I would prefer him calling for terrorist strikes while somewhere beside US soil and at the expense of American taxpayers.

I do expect some kind of answer but then my Senator IS a Republican.

109 piglet

what caliber of gun is best at stopping an oncoming
1985 volvo with "Imagine world peace" and "Zionism-racism" bumper stickers?

Action Express 0.50 or Casull

Freedom Arms
Smith & Wesson
etc...

Peter Dracula-Martell

I think we do need an intifada of our own, to overthrow the terrorist occupation of our media and academic institutions.
Fortunately, unlike these Berkeley jihadists, we can do this legally and perhaps even peacefully, though the latter is entirely up to the totalitarian enemy themselves and their devotion to peace seems a little shaky these days.

Zed's post #159 was excellent. I don't want to discourage the drug-culture jihadists but I have to wonder if they actually understand what a violent uprising on their part would entail.
I am almost at the point of wishing for it.

The time is overdue to establish independent centers in North America for rigorous Islamic learning. In order to attain a fuller submission to Allah, we must recognize that Allah is present in every realm of knowledge, whether it be math, physics, fiqh, medicine, tafseer,

guaranteed to turn Paradise into a 3rd world shit hole.

Anyone know of any MUSLIM country people want to move to?

*spit*

Concerning: #144   shystee

Guys, please leave shit stain alone. We all know that's the only way to wipe this sort of feculence off of LGF. Besides, we're keeping him from his other mediocre diversion.

As I said, I am almost at the point of wishing for a violent uprising by these people. They are driving themselves relentlessly toward it but one wonders if their fantasy ideology is really strong enough to overcome their innate cowardice.

Perhaps we could invent some bastardized version of a voodoo superstition for them; say, that the combination of Marxist fervor, the holy quran, and a cocktail of illicit drugs would make them immune to police batons, shotgun pellets, and the clubs and rifles of outraged citizens.
This would push all their most cherished buttons and grant them the courage they are otherwise so sorely lacking.

#109 piglet 4/11/2004 09:30PM PST

me i'd like the SA streetsweeper shotgun if not any 12 guage model [note in my state they sell magnesium shells] these are great for the pyrotechnic affect you can also load alternately with tracers or those 1/4 inch armor piercing but then there are those military types here that can be more specific and more knowledgable

#139 Kragar (proud to be Kafir) 4/11/2004 10:17PM PST

actually usually the one with the gun gets all the food and water

#162 DG 4/11/2004 11:06PM PST

#159

kinda like the nuts in MOVE in philladelphia circa 1980's

#178 jimmytheclaw

If you want plain nasty for shotguns:

USAS-12 (South Korea)

12ga, semi auto, 20round drum magazine

My personal favorite though:

MAG-7 (South Africa)

12ga, only 5 rounds, but its compact, about the size of a tech-9 or Uzi.

#179 Jimmytheclaw

That was my point, that the LLL with their head buried in the sand about whats going on, in this country and around the world, are ill prepared for when the shit hits the fan.

20 round drum one will do if its the one ive seen on tv as for what ive read above i have friends that collect guns and ive shot all types and i can say anyone can learn to use and fire the sks rifle efficiantly as for the pre ban ar-15 or ak's it depends on which sides dead you will be picking bulletts from just a thought after watching mail call and seeing how the airborne would upon losing there 45 just grab ammo and lugers etc... from the enemy dead

yeah if and when the fit hits the shan i know where i'm going and with who and it will be the ones with the guns

#164 piglet:

You should be able to pick up a nice SAR-1 (one of the current best-bang-for-the-buck semi-auto AK47s) for around $250-$300. AK's have legendary reliability and the ammo (7.62x39) is nice and cheap. 1000 rounds for around $100. 30-round magazines are also fairly cheap.

If you're looking for something cheaper than that, a Yugoslavian SKS would go for $100-$200 depending on condition and uses the same ammo as the SAR-1.

If you've got more money to spend, you could get a nice AR15 for $800-$1000 or so. AR's are more accurate when you're going out past 100 yards, but they're a little more finicky about keeping them clean and the ammo's about twice as expensive.

I'm writing this while on a vacation in Berlin. Only one encounter so far with stereotypical anti-American prattle. Naturally this was at the, go figure, Tacheles "art compound", a commune of typical smelly unwashed pierced "anarchists" not unlike the ones stinking up West Philadelphia. Looks like being a pseudo-radical poseur is an international phenomenon.
One installation featured an upside down American flag with a TV playing a cartoon that blamed GW for literally everything that's wrong in the world. Apparently SARS was brought into the US by GWB himself. Never would've known if these German "artists" hadn't pointed it out.
Oh and of course they all love Mumia and will sell you little spray painted patches with anarchy symbols on them (only one euro a piece!) This place meanwhile is teeming with tourists, and the McDonald's (one of a gazillion here) is right in plain view. One Dieter-looking type walked by and shouted "Fook Ahmrika!" I think he had a Gap jacket on.

I think it's called sedition. That's a bit like treason on the home front. Either way the piece of shit should be banged away indefinately on bread and water in solitary until he is either tried and executed, or until he tells the authorities who the other nazis muslims are.

Do you guys know that when Saigon fell in '75, they were celebrating at Berkeley, no kidding. A couple of hundred of them went round the campus waving red flags. I am not making this up, I am not kidding.

So nothing has changed, what a surprise.

I suggest since they hate America so much and love Islamic fascism and Stalinism, they migrate to the following countries of their choice:
Saudi Arabia
Syria
North Korea
Sudan
Iran

I don't think that it would ever occur to those Berkelely twits that the freedom of expression they enjoy would never be tolerated in the very countries and among the very people they openly support ie Islamists, any dissenting opinion results in incarceration, torture and death.

What a bunch of hypocritical idiots.

Nice to know we arent the only country here, Canada, that caters to such radicals.

I dont understand if this man is foreign born why they cannot revoke his citizenship......that is though, if he is foreign born.

I am sure there must be plenty of parents that havent any idea that this goes on in their childrens universitys but if they did, would apply enough pressure to have such men ousted immediatly.

Unfortunately, these non-stop reports do not make it out in to the mainstream press!

Actually it any American lawyers are reading this, I would love to hear the legal argment for these people if he is as I read Palestinian born, still allowed to reside within the United States?

Anyone?

TIA

I personally believe that there will one day be another attack, although more deadly, in the United States.

But do I wish for it with glee, hands clapping?

No!

And I dont believe for one second it helps this forum or those on the conservative side to be expressing such thoughts.

Yes, there are many dispicable people within all of our borders but to gleefully await a chemical attack or some such thing that would only serve to kill and maim thousands, just so a few mouthy terrorist wannabees can be deported, in my opinon is equally dispicable.

Im afraid even suggesting such a thing aligns you just as equally alongside the terrorists and co-horts.

Be VERY CAREFUL of what you wish for! ;-(

#191 Shiksagirl

I think you're mistaking a desire to see the government crack down on these bastards and preparing oneself for the worst with a desire to see another atrocity commited on innocents so we could mimic the LLL "I told ya so" attitude. I'm a strong believer in hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I hope and pray the people responsible for dealing with this asshat and his ilk are on the ball. If they're not, I'm ready (and many others as well) to do what it takes to defend my family and friends. Personally, I'm NOT willing to take chances with my families life and would rather loose sleep in later years wondering about if I persecuted someone unjustly than sitting up at night thinking of the day some scum ball killed my wife and kids.

Classic Piece from Belmont:

But when he was asked if he had not welcomed the American forces who toppled Mr. Hussein almost exactly a year ago, as many Shiites did, he turned suddenly combative.

"It was God who finished Saddam, not the Americans," he said. "The Americans broke all their promises to us, and they have brought their infidel beliefs to Iraq. We hate them, and they are worse than Saddam."

Do these people EVER harp on any other subject?

Just for change I would love to hear anything else from them, even if only for 10 seconds.

I think you're mistaking a desire to see the government crack down on these bastards and preparing oneself for the worst with a desire to see another atrocity commited on innocents so we could mimic the LLL "I told ya so" attitude. I'm a strong believer in hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I hope and pray the people responsible for dealing with this asshat and his ilk are on the ball. If they're not, I'm ready (and many others as well) to do what it takes to defend my family and friends. Personally, I'm NOT willing to take chances with my families life and would rather loose sleep in later years wondering about if I persecuted someone unjustly than sitting up at night thinking of the day some scum ball killed my wife and kids.

I understand and hear you perfectly.
I wasnt suggesting this about all the posters here but a few in between that are a little too eager sounding for any destruction, regardless of the side it hits.

Unfortuntaely though, regardless of ones beliefs, some here are expressing them a bit too openly.

The "other side" has been "winning" the propoganda war for a very long time and it would be far wiser for the conservative side to play an equal game, so I just dont believe it does anyone any good to see the several here that are almost gleefully awaiting such an attack.

Some things are just better left unsaid, if that is how one feels.

If they're not, I'm ready (and many others as well) to do what it takes to defend my family and friends

Alright, so taking that one sentance further, explain to me exactly what you anticipate happening that you will need to do the above?

Aside from anticipating someone walking up to your front door with weapons, what is it you believe will happen, that you will be called into protecting your family?
Im simply curious and dont mean to offend but I have seen similar claims here and there made on this forum and just want to know what that particular claim means?

TIA

The Blind Shiekh was charged with sedition. This was the only initial charge the DA could come up with even though the FBI knew the Deathcult™ leader was party to acts of terrorism.

Does anyone know any Palestinians that are devoted to non-violent demonstration against aggression by all parties?

If you're waking up every day asking yourself who is worse, Bin Laden or Bush, Yassin or Bush or Arafat or Bush then we've got bigger problems than terrorist enemies of freedom.

#195 ShikksaGrrrl

Fair question. Basically, I am prepared to do what any person in a civilized society should do.

If I become aware of someone conducting criminal (whether treasonous, seditous, terrorist, or any other form of crime) acitivities, I will inform on them at once.

If I witness people performing such activities and am unable to get to the police in time to prevent such activities, I will attempt to disrupt their activities either by warning others, engaging/distracting them until proper authorities arrive, or preferably both.

As a free man, I should realize that as soon as I take my freedom and safety for granted, I loose both. While I trust the government (the agencies FBI, CIA, police, not specific groups, like democrats per se) to do as much as they can, I am responsible for what happens to my family and should act accordingly.

Hypothetically, if these fools began a uprising in the U.S., and I knew members of it, I would turn them in a heartbeat. If one of them attempted to hurt me or my family in retalition, he'd realize the mistake when he wakes up in the here-after. If I saw them performing an attack, I would see to my family's safety first, then do what I could to help stop them, whatever it took.

OT Am I the only one around here that's nervous about China?

Heading Off the Next War

#197 Kragar

I had no idea there were any Gurkas in the Corps.

OT: Here's a suprise from the United Nations. They've halted the transport of food aid through UNRWA to the Gaza Strip. You know who they blame for the halt? They blame Israel(PDF link).

Efforts to persuade the Israeli authorities to lift the restriction on the transport of
UNRWA’s empty food containers out of Gaza have so far failed, forcing the Agency to suspend the delivery into Gaza of 11,000 tons of food from Ashdod Port to avoid a bottleneck which would result in prohibitive costs.

Better convene the UNSC and set a few extra place settings. The Arab states are going to want to be party to another condemnation of Israel.

Where exactly would Hatem's 'infitada' start? Not down here in Oceanside, CA. (way too many former military)but I'm sure in Bezerkly in the left's backyard. They'll shit in their front room, point to it and yell "look mommy what I did!" How proud they'll be...

#199 Papijoe

Lets just say it wasn't exactly standard issue. When asked, I just claimed it as a machete.

#202 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)
I miss my Balisong. I don't think they are legal in my state anymore

#203 papijoe

Depends on local laws, but most urban areas I know, they're illegal. Try one of these. They can work wonders in a pinch, especially on joints.

#204 Kragar

I've actually been thinking about getting one of these.

#205 papijoe

I was under the impression those were restricted in some areas as well. I think it might depend on overall length.

206 Kragar

I need to renew my FID, I probably check with the local PD then.

#207 papijoe

FID? Could just be way to early for me, but whats this?

OT Harvard teacher bilks friends, falls for scam

#208 Kragar

Firearms Identification Card

#210 Papijoe

As I expected, way too early, counting the minutes till the next shift comes on.

Please tell me the FBI is watching these people, and just waiting for one little thing to take them down.

While Congress sits around spending millions of our $ pointing fingers at each other - "you knew", "No, you knew" - terrorists are gathering in our midst.

I urge you to email/fax/write your Congressmen/women about this seditious nutcake. While it's fine to debate all of the nuances - they need to hear from you!

Here in Illinois, it is a FOID.

Break out the 0.50-cal. sniper rifle...
Enough of this shit - find this mouthy son-of-a-bitch -- and terminate him. Preferrably with a ululating audience watching on.

OT
Iraqi official: killers of Americans should surrender

The article mentions the Chinese hostages. Something is odd about this:

Armed men seized seven Chinese nationals in central Iraq, and Beijing appealed to Iraqi authorities to rescue them, the government said Monday amid a series of abductions of foreigners in Iraq.

The group entered Iraq from Jordan on Sunday and were taken later in the day in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, the Foreign Ministry said. State television said they were stopped en route to Baghdad.

The ministry called on Iraqi authorities to help find and rescue the seven. It warned Chinese nationals to avoid Iraq and called on those already there to tighten their security and stay in touch with Chinese diplomats.

The Chinese abductees, aged 18 to 49, were stopped on a highway to Baghdad from Amman, the Jordanian capital, according to state television, which made the abduction the top story on its midday national news. It said they didn't work for China's government or a state company.

The appeal to the Iraqis is almost humorous.
So if they don't work for the Chinese gov't or state companies, who the heck are they? Anti war activists? Why were they stupid enough to be driving around Fallujah? This doesn't smell right.

213 Bubbaman

I urge you to email/fax/write your Congressmen/women about this seditious nutcake. While it's fine to debate all of the nuances - they need to hear from you!

Just did. I also wrote to USC-Berkeley to make sure they understood who was on their payroll, not that it will do any good.

This kind of crap makes my stomach turn.

Bring it on [bigoted word]...my Glock's loaded and ready.

#32 ploome go to 2nd link (Berkley)

Example of Exageration and what a degree means at Berkley

I went and read this Schmos article and his numbers just didn't add up.

"Islam in the African American community is an integral part of the history of slavery in the United States, and not as a function of some "alien" presence in this country. On the conservative side, some 10% of all the slaves brought into the New World were identified as being Muslim. This view is based on Philip Curtin figures of some 9.5 million slaves brought to America (plus or minus 20%).

Another group of scholars has recently estimated that around 15-20% of all slaves brought to the New World adhered to Islam and the total number of all slaves brought was closer to 12-15 million.

At present, scholars differ on the actual number of slaves brought to the Americas and much research needs to be undertaken, but the presence and impact of Muslim African slaves can no longer be over looked. Islam and Muslims have been in America since its early years, often held unto their beliefs, and managed to pass them to the next generation."

According to the 2002 World Almanac and U.S. Dept of Commerce there was a population in 1790 of 3,172,000
Whites and 757,000 Blacks.

Now thats quite an exageration ! But then again it doesn't surprise me since every time there are 4 Muslims killed you can multiply it times 100 and call it a "masacre "

Just wrote my Conressman and and Senator, both have "D"'s next to their name. My other Senator is retiring, so it may not be worth the effort...

When I heard Hatem Bazian saying...

It seem[s] to me, that we are comfortable in where we are, watching CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox, and all these mainstream... giving us a window to the world while the world is being managed from Washington, from New York, from every other place in here in San Francisco: Chevron, Bechtel, [Carlyle?] Group, Halliburton; every one of those lying, cheating, stealing, deceiving individuals are in our country

... I imagined Prince Bandar sitting at his computer and laughing about these naive LLL that don't know that the U.S. has become a Saudi banana republic since the 1970s. Don't they know, or are they just pretending not to know because they think themselves so clever nobody would notice it is suicidal?

George Orwell once said while in "such a war as the present one ... pacifism is objectively pro-fascist" only "a few pacifists are inwardly pro-Nazi. The important thing is to discover which individuals are honest and which are not." So, do these demonstrators know that they are advocating theocracy, or don't they? I'd bet that some do, and this is likely to include Mr. Bazian, or why does he give a speech as emotional as one would expect it on a rock concert? Almost as certainly others do not, although it does require quite a lot of naiveté to participate in an LLL rally after more than 2,5 years of war. A honest person to do this could be expected to feel absolutely secure in America and take the Islamists as mere props of its private rebel fantasies against the imaginary "mainstream".

What makes the pro-theocracy LLL dangerous is that they can reach an audience with a false feeling of security - because this is what could make them grow their influece should the tide turn. When defeating them means isolating them, what is to be done is taking away this audience. The honest LLL live in the dream palaces of their own fantasy where the Palestinians are just another Bart Simpson - that's what Bazian calls their "window on the world" (a Freudian 9/11 reference, BTW). When the West would be swept by Islamism such as Rome by the barbarians, the LLL would find itself in the role of the Papacy. Their dreams would quickly turn into nightmares in their own hands. To take them away from the calculating pro-theocracy LLL, it would require something to happen which shatters the leftist dream palaces from their fundaments. Something which would surprisingly confront the LLL worldview with its own absurdity and drive a wedge to the deliberate terrorist-enablers that have hijacked their rebel fantasies. Something the LLL could not reject - that they might even fantasize as the result of their own efforts - but the Islamists would be scared to agree to because it would make them stand alone.

End Prohibition.

#198 papijoe

There is always a certain baseline concern for Taiwan. It's very similar and related to the North Korean situation.

This is where a CiC with brinksmanship abilities is critical. If the POTUS shows weakness in the face of increasing bellicosity (word?) it emboldens the Chinese (Dr. Evil) and KJI (Mini-Elvis) -- Dennis Miller nailed that relationship last night.

The Chinese are paranoid, KJI beyond belief. Not without reason, per se. The Great Wall was not a decoration. The Chinese attitude towards Taiwan makes them very dangerous. Communists, especially with American capitalists shilling for them, are inherently unstable and untrustworthy. But their public statements are clear and dangerous.

#216 Probably Chinese agents or arms dealers. Could be one in the same. The Chinese aided and supplied Saddam in a big way. They cashed in on oil-for-food as much as anyone except France and Russia.

So who's on for putting up all of us women and children who flee the cities should this intifada begin? Can we make registrations in advance or...

Yes, I know women are capable of fighting/defending themselves, but my first priority is my little kiddies who are too small to fight. If I didn't have them, well it'd be a different story.

If it were to come down, I wouldn't be at all surprised, except for the fact that it took so long for it to happen.

# 216 (and also OT)

I'm struggling trying to decide what is going on -
International get "Kidnapped for Peace(tm) week, or
a depth of horrific depravity and stupidity amond the "insurgents" that my mind cannot plumb.

Israeli Arab aid workers kidnapped

Aid association affiliation of one victim

buy the ammo cheap , stack it deep, you know you might need it.

This UC Berkeley lecturer Hatem Bazian was calling for an intifada here in the US, that is a revolt, an insurrection, a rebellion, with a desire to take over territory ultimately. That is, to copy the Pali intifada. Blow up buses. Blow up restaurants.

He was imported here, apparently by UC Berkeley (my guess), from a Pali terrorist territory.

This is what the funding of area studies, and especially Middle East studies, and Islamic studies, is all about. Anti-Americanism. Calling for rebellion here. Training our children to be jihadis.

I can only hope that the FBI starts a file on Hatem Bazian, and finds the evidence needed to put him in prison where he belongs.

In Iraq, the Coalition is going after al-Sadr, who has organized a militia to carry out an insurrection. Why do we have to wait until the terrorist-organizers succeed in forming a militia, when it is obvious what they are trying to do?

Freedom of speech does not extend to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. And in a time of war, which is really what we are in during this war on terror, calling for intifada, revolution in the Pali-terrorist style, right here in the US, should not be tolerated.

The FBI needs to get involved here. And if they complain that the laws do not allow any action against Hatem Bazian's incitement to revolt, then I think that our legislators need to enact some legislation against inciting to rebellion here.

Why not put out this fire right now, while it is easy to do, rather than wait for it to grow to a stage that is more difficult to handle?

#111 Buzz
Good post. You are right.

I emailed the UC Berkeley chancellor's email address, the following:

Dear Chancellor Berdahl:

I have recently had the opportunity to read remarks attributed to one of UC Berkeley's faculty members, Hatem Bazian, at a Saturday (4/10) peace rally in
San Francisco.

The remarks to which I refer are as follows (edited for the sake of brevity):

"...Well, we’ve been watching intifada in Palestine, we’ve been watching an uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don’t
have an intifada in this country?...and it’s about time that we have an intifada in this country that change[s] fundamentally the political dynamics in here.

And we know every— They’re gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well, you haven’t seen radicalism yet!"

Assuming that the above quote is correct, I cannot help but be concerned that these comments appear to advocate armed over-throw of the US government by
connecting intifada in that region known as Palestine and in Iraq with the absence of such a phenomenon here. As we all know, events in Palestine and
Iraq have been recently characterized by suicide bombings, armed uprisings, and deaths to many, including the innocent who have not taken part in any
hostilities.

Regardless of one's personal political points of view on current events, any reasonable person cannot believe that anything positive comes from such occurances as we have seen in the Middle East.

While I realize that Mr. Bazian was undoubtedly speaking as an individual, and not as a spokesperson for UC Berkeley, his remarks still reflect on the
insttitution and all of its employees. I value free-speech as much as any person, but there are limits to what free-speech entails, such as yelling fire in a crowded movie theater, or what might be easily interpreted as advocating the armed over throw of the US government. I wonder if alumni and others who
donate to the university will disagree with me.

Respectfully,

BTW, I did not cc Mr. Bazian on the email. Universities such as UC Berkeley depend upon state funding as well as donations from individuals and corporations, so image is very important.

HahHAHahHAhHAhhaha, Intifada?

Take a deep breath, and then go look up the stats on gun ownership in this country. The answer should hit you pretty fast.

Be careful what you wish for Asshat.

and you muslims in the UK haven´t seen Cornish radicalism yet - we will have an intifada there if you and your english minions are not restrained in your oppression.

#16 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

LLL battle cry, "Help, Help, I'm being repressed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system."

Speaking of which, I went to see Monty Python and the Holly Grail this weekend in the Bay Area. When the anarcho-syndicalist character delivered "Help, help, I'm being oppressed" monologue, the audience went nuts applauding and screaming approvingly. Bay Area is an irony-free zone.

The Chair of Near Eastern Studies Department at UC Berkeley is:

Daniel Boyarin
E-Mail Address: boyarin@socrates.berkeley.edu
Phone # (510) 642-6000

Please post this information all over the internet where you think it will generate action.

My question is how come the FBI has not taken action?

This nutjob does guest speakng for the pillars of American society=CAIR. He's a refugee from Palestine. Educated here, teaching here, and bashing our country.

He's an angry little Jew hater, and should be deported after a good beating.

D.C. Watson
OHIO

Point Blank, I spoke with the on duty agent at the San Francisco FBI field office this afternoon. She was thankful for this information. Hatem the Hater should be having his door knocked on in the near future. Let's hope so anyway.

D.C.

all i can say is make use of the second amendment before kerry and feinstein et al do away with it. our forefathers knew how important it was. an armed man is a citizen, a disarmed man is a subject.

ok, so you don't like what he says and you're angry enough to get violent. so, now who's starting what? who's being violent? are your suggestions any more in line with democracy than his? my little boy in kindergarden has a more intelligent approach to this than you all who have commented here do. besides, i live in austria and the thing that occurs to me is that you have NO F----ING CLUE that you just signed up for fascism. heil hitler. is that what you want?

em #236

Wow, what an intelligent post.

/sarc.

The man is calling for the deaths of Americans. He should be fired and deported at best.

shutup before we revoke your student visa, punk.

An Update:

Some high level officials are looking into this one. That's all I can say.

I hope that little nazi bitch tries that shit in my town. I'll march right up to him and shove my size 13 combat boot right up his ass and beat him down like the peice of human trash he is. If you don't like America, then-get-the-hell-out!!! You want to join your little homicide bombing palestinian cowards, then go there and die like a coward! Bring your measly "intifada", bring it on nazi pig!

#235,,,your comment is too true and it worries me that so many have posted what they do have on hand.

I think this man raises some perfectly legitimate points regarding the legality of the Iraqi opposition to US occupation.

He razes no such points. Instead he calls for the violence against American civilians. For this he should be arrested. I hope he doesn't get denaturalized and deported, because where are you going to deport him, to Israel?

This idiot and all the other retards like him should be loaded up and shipped OUT of OUR country!!!!! After he's been tried for treason!!!! What is with these idiots anyway??? They hate our country,but yet they are over here making a living off us,and enjoying the very things that they hate us for!! What a bunch of hippocrites!! Americans,we need to take OUR COUNTRY back!!!! If the muslims (or anyone else) are offended,TOUGH!!! This is OUR country. Do you really think that if you go to THEIR countries ,that they would give a crap whether you are "offended" by them?? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!The ACLU and all this political correctness B.S. is going to be the death of America. Let's let Berkley know exactly how we feel about this idiot and all the other ones there that keep spouting this garbage!!!!! WE MUST TAKE AMERICA BACK before it's too late!!!!

Oh, wait, is #242 another faux troll?

Ann Woods

This idiot and all the other retards like him should be loaded up and shipped OUT of OUR country!!!!!

I would normally agree with you, except that terrorism is a global menace. What's the point of letting him loose elsewhere?

Reply to post 242 Dinger
Read the history books... their has never been a Palestine state or nation. The Middle East text books rewrite history to fit their ideas and lies. Why was everything ok when Jordan had the country instead of Israel? Why when Israel was attacked and took the land in self defense is it now wrong for them to have it? Israel was given the land long ago by the one and only God that Christianity worships and this great Nation was founded on. The freedom this nation gives to all is God given. We don’t need or want to be under Islam and its lack of freedom, yet this nation gives anyone the right to worship any way you choose. The God of Christianity does not force you to worship Him and His Son Jesus Christ, but the moon god Allah does. If you haven’t figured it out yet, Satan is behind all this. He is the one that wants to be god and has used Islam to bring about disorder. Islam calls for everyone that does not covert to be killed, the Christians, Jews, ect. For me I choose Jesus Christ as my Savior and Heaven for my Home. God sent Jesus Christ His only Son to die for my sins. Allah calls for your sons to die for Him. God Bless this nation. and get involved before its too late.

Its amazing the muslims are now preaching they're brainwashing in the U.S

Stop,the hatred.
The arabs have 27 countries and do not want to ahve Israel on the map at all.

Why is it that I'm never around fools like this when they make their statements? Obviously they only feel comfortable leveling such tripe when surrounded by fellow travelers. Too bad, I wouldn't suffer the rag fool lightly.

Here's the email address of the President of the University of California system:

Robert.Dynes@ucop.edu

You might want to let him know just what you think of of Hatem's remarks.

Guys like Hatem are big shots when they're hiding behind a lecturn in the hallowed halls of oh-so-liberal academia. They're also big shots when running around those Middle East sand piles with explosives strapped under their coats blowing up innocent civilians.

So, here in America, even you get to speak your mind, Hatem (something, of course, you can't do in your own country, can you?). Naturally, we get to speak our mind back. You want to bring it here, Hatem? Fine. Bring it on you [bigoted word]ed dune monkey.

Those who scream for intifada and clamour for the violent overthrow of the only free nation on earth are despicable. I lost respect, long ago, for their fabricated cause. I have no respect for people who display such violently evil tendencies.

I blogged my more lengthy comments over on my blog: Can you say, intifada, here in America?

He asks if I'm angry? Well , duh! Why shoulldnt' I be when creeps like Bazian come to this country, t ake up valuable space to get an education, and then stay on to crap on MY country.

Bring it on freak! Justice will be waiting for you, and it won't be a peace sign.

Civil war in the US??-well it seems inevitable kiddies, I for one would like to see a "purging" of our land. Will it be quick? ;only time will tell.but after parousing the sedition act I would say its time to give some folks to the stockades, starting with mr. hate-em and including j. kerry and many others. But hey God never made any promises to america except one (and that's to the negitive and to all): any nation that comes against Israel will be cut to pieces{eventualy}.But alas if america should go out let go out in glory. Let the defenders of freedom rise up and defend our land from seditionists first, concentrate our troups to Iraq, send a stern warning to teran,demascus, and others to withdrawl the 40,000 plus trained and paid thugs sent to Iraq or else...anialiation of tehran and demascus...yes it sounds most severe..and yes in the past the U.S. put Sadam in power in the first place,but here we are now.And we must fight to survive. I suport our troups.I suport our president. Islsam at its inception by its founder(mohamad) had at its core terroristic goals-world domination by the sword.85% of muslims are shia and suni fundamentalists which by examination of the teachings of quran and hadif are shown to be extreem jihadists. So "RADICAL" islam is really an incorect term. So am I proposing all out war against Islam? Cirtanly not. Just thouse seeking to conqer the world for Islam. But world wide thats the majority-then so be it. But as "amiricans" standing for justice and liberty this war should be fought with "rightness" and self control, not all out frenzied rage. This is a difficult task concidering the decietfull,underhanded, and ruthlessness of our enimies. If we give in an retreat they will advance and take more -the arabs vs. Israel have proven this time and time again. The whole situation is perplexing to say the least. And whats more it centers aroud one tiny seemingly insinificant little piece of land; israel. The entire world is focused on what to do about Israel. Hummm haven't I herd about this situation somewhere before? awe yes indeed I have:"...And it shall happen in that day I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples;all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. ..." Zechariah 12:3. There is much more to the story then that and theres the matter of pratial fullfilment in times past. but ultimate fulfillment is yet to come and requires further study of the entire text and other texts. aslo much more understanding comes as events unfold with time. So keep tuned in kiddies as the time of the end draws near the pieces of the puzzel fall into place.very soon...

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount of Saniai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But the mother which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (Gal 4:22-26) Also see Genesis 16; make sure you read it carefully, paying particular attention Genesis 16:12. See Genesis 17:18 - 25. See Genesis 21:9 - 21.
This is a war, started by two women and a man. Sarai did not believe the promise of God and therefore offered up her servant (an Egyptian) to bear a son for Abraham. Nevertheless God forgave Sarah for her sin and gave her a son, Isaac in her old age. Hagar (see Agar, Hagai), in her jealousy and passion of Abraham taught her son Ishmael to hate Sara (Sarai) and Isaac. When Ishmael is caught in his hate crime (mockery) against Isaac, Hagar (the bondwoman) and Ishmael (the son pf a bondwoman and a ruler) are banished and ultimately end up in Egypt.
Seems to me since it started in a cat fight, it should end in a cat fight OH EXCEPT ISLAMIC (descendants of Ishmael) WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT, NOT ALLOWED TO OWN A BUSINESS, NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE A CAR, NOT ALLOWED TO GO ANYWHERE UNESCORTED, NOT ALLOWED TO SHOW THEIR FACES, NEVER ALLOWED TO REVEAL THEIR KNEES AND GOD FORBID THEY SHOULD EVER DARE TO SPEAK OUT! Not much of a cat fight there - huh.
The women of Muslim faith are still bondwomen - not given to thought or expression of their own, but only of the men who have taken them on and therefore swear to protect them in return for their bondwoman behavior. The men are forced to finish a battle because the sons of Ishmael dare not let a woman finish what was started by women so long ago.
We are all children of Abraham; Jew, Christian, and Islam alike. But the Jew is of the freed woman, the Muslim by the bondwoman. and the Christian adopted by the sacrifice.
If you are Jew, or Islam, or Christian or Athiest, or Agnostic, or Hindu, or Budhist, or antidisestablishmentanterianist, or whatever - it doesn't matter. The final battle will come up between the son of the freedwoman and the son of the bondwoman, no matter what you believe.
Choose your side and be willing to die for it, because it is better than dying for nothing.

this is exactly why i never wanted to go to berkeley
bunch of liberals + fu*ked up people

maybe Hatem Bazian was high when he gave his speech, well it IS UC BERKELEY

I believe the appropriate statute is the Smith Act, which makes it a violation of Federal law to advocate the violent overthrow of the U-S government. Ascribing to his words their ordinary meanings (a fair assumption since he holds a PhD from a U-S university...if that can be said of UC Berkley) Hatem B. is calling for the violent overthrow. In fact I would say that he was exhorting others to do so. Freedom of speech has limits. He has crossed the line.

I'm not a citizen of the US and I don't profess to know anything of your politics,but for the life of me I cannot understand why you finance your enemies. You give them aid and assistance only to be called shitheads and dirtbags.

Nuke em all I say.

#254-lori-Thanks lori,that about sumed it well. That is the strugle in the middel east and such. except the missing part about the one behind the scean trying to subvert Gods plan. You see before you travel far off its wise to know where your going and how to get there. The same holds true for dieing. Definatly must know where we"re going and how to get there and theres the simple part:to heaven thru Jesus only.Believe in Him. Its the only way. o and forgive mythe beggining of my last entry-a bit course. later

Hey you smegs,

First of all, UC Berkeley has had its state funding drastically cut...you whiners out there are NOT paying for much of anything here on campus because you're all too cheap to pay decent taxes. The state gives UC 29% of its operating budget. So stop with the "I'm financing this crap" sh*t because you're not.

Second, I'll bet 99.9% of you have never set foot in Berkeley. You don't have a clue about what's real here, you just base your rants on the feces fed to you by sites like this. Would it kill you to know that the Berkeley hills are full of million dollar houses inhabited by rich Republicans? Yep, it would. I should feckin know, I grew up in one.

Third, the GOP is alive and well at Berkeley. Go visit [Link: www.calpatriot.org...]

Fourth, I can't believe you morons...condemning Bazian and extolling the virtues of a free and open society, meanwhile threatening to stick boots up his ass and deport him without trial and so on...you're all a bunch of skinhead fascists! You're all no more good American than he is.

Fifth, if you think some podunk little lecturer at this university is going to single-handedly start intifada in this country, if you sit around picturing WWIII or a second civil war in this country starting over this Bazian guy, then Lord almighty, I feel sad for you. How about worrying about something that really *will* happen? How about getting off your as*es and getting involved in democracy? Any of you out there actually do any work for any of the Presidential candidates? Local elected officials? Ever gone out and volunteered at a school? Donated to a church or synagog bake sale? Ever visited a rest home? Done anything good for your fellow human beings?

I'll bet the answer is no. You're all just a mean rotten set of wasted epithelial cells, moaning and bitching and complaining and doing nothing to improve the quality of life on this planet. Who's worse...you or Bazian?

Unclebuck - I haven't noticed your posts to be violent - I've seen them more as righteous anger. I am quite pleased with today's news that Bush has agreed and backed Sharon on his plan not to allow resettlement (into Israel by the so called "Palestinians" - those name thieves) - have your heard? As long as America backs Israel I am very happy. Once America no longer backs Israel, perhaps I will go to Israel if I could find a way to help on that front.
AL - I agree with you except on the "nuke em all" part. Americans should not fund these nutbuckets and yet we consistently find these militant fundamentalist Islamics teaching in our colleges and other high profile professions in America. What a misguided ideal "political correctness" has become! I am fond of peace and enjoy peace but am not at all leaning towards peace no matter what! The peace must be broken when we find ourselves surrounded by the enemy - the enemy must be defeated at all costs -- except nuking - the reprecussions for surrounding non-involved countries would be too severe. Now the MOAB might be a good idea though.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and pray America continues to back Israel.

UC Berkeley Employee -
A little smug aren't you? Well okay, there are plenty of reps surrounding Berkeley, and I've seen their million dollar houses, and yes, they are quite impressive. However - I know for a fact it's also surrounded by thousands of wigged out liberals that don't know reality due to their skewed perceptions of what they think is real. My oldest brother was bashed in the head at Berkeley in the 60's riots (I've never agreed with the guy) so I can contest to the liberalism of the area even then - and my last visit to the area was appalling because of all the "skewed reality" liberalists I bumped into there. My God I thought the area was stuck in the '60's or something. So you go home to your nice million dollar home and eat some pasta primavera and we'll continue to look for ways to defeat the enemy and we'll pray for America so your nice million dollar home doesn't get blown to smithereens some day soon.

Lori Pillock,

I don't live in a million-dollar home, you wassock, because I work for a state university where the funding has been cut...and cut...and cut...because people don't want to pay property taxes to support education. You know, it's no matter to me...I have no kids, and I'll be dead and gone in about 40 years, if I'm lucky and the cigarettes I used to smoke don't catch up with me. It's the future I'm thinking of...you know what a future looks like with no public education? It looks like...the Middle-east. A bunch of ignorant idiots running around, parroting what they're told by people supposedly representing their best interests, doing exactly what they're told without questioning what really might be going on. You want that to happen here? No? Then start asking some feckin questions...like just why *is* Halliburton charging our armed forces 2.67/gallon of gas in freakin' Iraq?!

Goddam it, people, stop with the "I trust the GOP" or "I trust the Dems" and start asking some hard questions of both. Put down your Nintendo, unplug your TV, put your cell phone down, and get involved! You wanna' call it "smug"...ok, match me. Go get smug.

UC Bezerkley Employee:

"you're all too cheap to pay decent taxes"

"people don't want to pay property taxes to support education"

I left the Republik of Kalifornia in 1990 precisely because the tax rates were confiscatory then and the cost of living was even worse. Friends still living there tell me it's just as bad or worse now. So, just how much of my EARNED income should I willingly give to sponsor more leftist BS? Might I ask how much of your taxpayer funded earnings above and beyond what you're taxed do you, out of the generosity of your heart, turn around and send back to Sacramento so as to help all the li'l chilluns?

He's right, you know, the lecturer.

America is the homebase of the biggest terrorists in the world - the corporations behind the Iraqi invastion.

It is we Americans who have the best chance of stopping them.

I'm wondering when Americans will get tired of killing innocent children in the name of its freedom.

I know Hatem Bazian from my time spent in Berkeley. (I was a pro-Israel undergrad, and he was a pro-Hamas grad student, so our paths crossed.) I've posted an old unpublished column about him on my website, Zionist.org.

An excerpt:

"Our Army Loves Death More Than Life."

This wasn't another of Osama Bin Laden's videotaped rants against the United States. This was a sign held by protestors at a rally in support of suicide terrorism... at the University of California, Berkeley.

The date was March 8, 1996; less than a week after the end of a spate of suicide bombings in Israel which killed more than sixty people. The protestors, a group of Muslim students at UC Berkeley, were declaring their support for HAMAS, the Palestinian terrorist group that carried out the brutal attacks. One student, speaking from the microphone, declared his willingness to become a suicide bomber....

People are the same everywhere- both good and bad of every type- and the sooner you people learn that the safer we will all be.

Of COURSE there are nonviolent, truly peaceful muslims and palestinians..i don't have the time to spoon feed you all but a quick google and open mind will do the trick. Here's a few quickly:
[Link: www.metimes.com...]
[Link: www.hanania.com...]

or go to the library and check out the work of psychologists and other peacekeepers have done with interested parties in places like palestine and israel such as Marshall Rosenberg.

Which isn't to say that there aren't bad ones who are advocating violence, who are dangerous.

BUt I can say that, because I truly am peaceful. I really do value human life, in all its endless complications and paradoxes. I don't agree with using murder as a method PERIOD, not by Palestinians, Israelis, Iraqis, or most of all the US which has the biggest aresenal of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, policies of working with known human rights abusers when it suits our interests (like Osama and Saddam lets not forget!), or even capital punishment.

However you all who are so quick to say this Hatem guy should be violently dealt with sound like a real bunch of hypocrites. Even the founders of America said a little revolution is good now and then...again so convienient when it suits your interests as the dominant majority but not ok for oppressed minorities like the Palestinians. I am deeply saddened and disgusted by the hateful, racist, ignorant words I have read here, which are just as terror causing as anything Hatem said. You're afraid of your own shadows- its pathetic.

Furthermore, don't you see how incredibly stupid it is to say you don't want to fund education about Islam and Muslims? Even if you are going to continue irrationally hating all of them, don't you think its a good idea to know something about your enemy? Duh...

Tell these guys/gals how you feel about Hatem's
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I am deeply saddened and disgusted by the hateful, racist, ignorant words I have read here ...

And why should I be bothered with you and your hateful, racist, ignorant words? Read your post and see what a hypocrite you are.

I said nothing hateful or racist about anyone...i merely referred to actual words that were written here, which DID say many hateful and racist things about actual people..calling them [bigoted word]s and all sorts of things, saying ALL muslims are killers...try again to compare what i said to that! lol

calling them [bigoted word]s ...

Which post?

#236 em -- "ok, so you don't like what he says and you're angry enough to get violent. so, now who's starting what? who's being violent? are your suggestions any more in line with democracy than his? my little boy in kindergarden has a more intelligent approach to this than you all who have commented here do. besides, i live in austria and the thing that occurs to me is that you have NO F----ING CLUE that you just signed up for fascism. heil hitler. is that what you want?"

Well, dumbass, you ought to know I guess, the Austrians gave us Hitler and were the first nation to be good little Nazis.

Guess what, when some Islamic scumbag terrorist starts preaching to his band of muslim savages to begin and uprising here in the USA, I say bring it scumbags, bring it on. We will slaughter you.

Austria? The first to honor and support Hitler, well I expect you to embrace Islam. It's about your speed.

To fully understand the issue just take a look at the history of "palistine" (and not revisionist):'When There is No Peace' - Jack Kinsella - [Link: www.omegaletter.com...]

"For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace." (Jeremiah 8:11)

For more than a decade, world leaders have attempted to impose a negotiated, bilateral peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

The effort began with Oslo, when Yitzhak Rabin reluctantly took the blood-stained hand of Yasser Arafat as a gesture of peace at the White House Rose Garden, presumably ending a thirty-year war between Yasser Arafat's PLO and the Jewish State.

Twelve years of negotiations have produced a state of war more deadly and more intense than the Intifada in the late 1980's that led to the Oslo Agreement in the first place.

The White House has reversed its long-standing policy regarding a bilateral negotiated settlement between the two sides, and has endorsed Ariel Sharon's 'Unilateral Disengagement Plan' that would, in essence, give Israel the green light to impose a peace settlement of its own. Sharon plans to abandon the Gaza Strip to the terrorists and continue to wall out the terrorists on the West Bank.

President Bush agreed that it was impossible to uproot the several large Jewish communities (or 'settlements') that already exist inside the West Bank near the Green Line, including what is called the 'Jerusalem Envelope'. And Bush drove a stake into the heart of Arafat's long planned annihilation of the Jewish state by assimilation, saying;

"The United States is strongly committed to Israel's security and well-being as a Jewish state. It seems clear that an agreed, just, fair and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a Palestinian state and the settling of Palestinian refugees there rather than Israel."

No 'right of return' means no sudden influx of 12 million Palestinian 'refugees' to vote Israel out of existence. Arafat's carefully cultivated 'Phased Plan for the Destruction of Israel' via some kind of 'road map to peace' just hit a major road block.

The New York Times slammed the Bush administration in an editorial it called, "Settlements For Peace", in which it both acknowledged the same inevitable conclusion the White House did, but condemned Bush reaching it.

"It has long seemed inevitable that a lasting peace would allow Israelis to keep some of the large West Bank settlements contiguous to Jerusalem and would offer, at most, a very limited right of return for the Palestinians whose families fled at the dawn of a Jewish state. But by accepting Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's terms absent any negotiation between the parties, Mr. Bush is essentially supporting Israel's right to impose a settlement of its choice on the Palestinians."

ABSENT any negotiations between the parties? Are they KIDDING? 'Negotiations between the parties' have been taking place for twelve years, with countless signed agreements, from Oslo to Madrid to Camp David, before embarking on a fictional Road Map to 'Peace' imposed on both sides but accepted by neither.

The Palestinians prefer the settlement of their choice -- but the New York Times ignored the fact the only acceptable choice to the Palestinians is the destruction of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian State. It isn't that the New York Times doesn't know this -- they've admitted as much in previous editorials. But now that Bush is backing it, the New York Times condemns it as a 'Sharon Coup'. (I thought Sharon was ALREADY Israel's political leader?)

But the new Middle East policy change is a Bush policy, and the New York Times is duty-bound by partisan loyalty to condemn it, even if it is a policy shift it had argued in favor of, back when Clinton was in office.

According to the Times, what it agreed 'had long seemed inevitable' is now some kind of 'prize' that will anger America's so-called 'European allies'.

"Mr. Bush's desire to give Mr. Sharon a prize for pledging to withdraw from Gaza will compromise any subsequent attempts by Washington to broker a lasting settlement, to put it mildly. Palestinians and moderate Arab nations — as well as the European allies, for that matter — are furious that Mr. Bush acceded to Mr. Sharon's demands."

Assessment:

The Palestinians are 'furious', as well as the 'moderate Arab nations' (who would THEY be?), -- and then there are our European 'allies'. In this context, anybody not actively engaged in combat against the United States would fit the New York Times' definition of 'ally'. France condemned us. Germany condemned us. Russia condemned us. So did China. With allies like this, who needs enemies?

The Palestinians condemned the US assurances as a 'new Balfour Declaration.' Interesting. The Balfour Declaration was a 1917 land grant from the British Crown to Chaim Weitzman for an eventual Jewish State.

It was a reward for Weitzman's development of cordite, which helped Britain win WWI. In gratitude, King George granted a Jewish homeland, the boundaries of which encompassed all the West Bank and much of what is today Jordan.

What is significant is, unlike the 1947 UN Partition Plan, the Balfour Declaration was a legal proclamation. The British took possession of the Middle East following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI.

The British had the undisputed legal right to issue the grant. The UN's right to repartition it again after both Balfour and San Remo was an invention of the times.

The British double-crossed the Jews in 1923 at the San Remo Conference, carving up the original land grant between the Jews and the Arabs, giving the Jews 1/6th of the original grant. If there is an 'illegal occupation' of the West Bank, the illegal occupiers, according to the original, legal, Balfour Declaration, are the Palestinians.

The New York Times, like the rest of the liberal global establishment, just doesn't get it. At long last, it appears the Bush administration is starting to. . .

"The violence we are seeing in Iraq is familiar. The terrorist who takes hostages or plants a roadside bomb near Baghdad is serving the same ideology of murder that kills innocent people on trains in Madrid, and murders children on buses in Jerusalem, and blows up a nightclub in Bali, and cuts the throat of a young reporter for being a Jew," Bush told journalists.

Arafat didn't get the message. If he did, he would understand that Bush's statement was a US declaration of war against the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

The battle lines have been drawn -- terrorists are terrorists, and Palestinian terrorism has just come into the gun sights as targets in the Bush war on terror.

"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." (Zechariah 12:3)
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and...

...And do take the time to verify these "info" 's with open minds before the fingers speak:How many times can you kill a corpse? - Hal Lindsey - [Link: www.hallindsey.com...]

The Bush administration threw down the gauntlet at Yasser Arafat's feet yesterday during a joint press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. In fact, before the press conference even began, Arafat was already all over the airwaves, denouncing it to all who would listen.

Two weeks ago, Arafat began making overtures to Israel's deadliest enemies, Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Both are sworn to the total destruction of the state of Israel, the confiscation of all Israeli land, the banishment of the Jews from Israel as completely as they now seek their banishment from the West Bank and Gaza, and Israel's replacement with an Arab state, ethnically cleansed of Jews.

Arafat offered both organizations a power-sharing plan in Gaza following an Israeli pullout. The first onramp to the Roadmap for peace was supposed to be a "cessation of all violence" by the Palestinians, followed by the dismantling and destruction of all Palestinian terrorist organizations. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are among the most prolific terrorist groups in the Middle East. In complete contradiction to these requirements, Arafat is now proposing a partnership with them.

A reality check is in order here before we go further. Arafat is also the head of the same Palestinian Authority that is allegedly engaged in peace negotiations with Israel.

That said, Arafat, the head of the proposed Hamas-Islamic Jihad Triumvirate, reacted to the press conference by threatening – now get this – "the complete end of the peace process." He really said that. Honest.

Arafat didn't say which "peace process" of which we are now at the "complete end." Is it the Oslo Agreement that ended with Arafat rejecting statehood in favor of intifada? Or the Roadmap to peace that remains folded on Arafat's dashboard while Israeli civilians die by the busload from terrorist attacks?

President Bush took note of what he called "new realities" on the ground that predicated the new U.S. position in what he called "one of the world's oldest conflicts," (although he didn't cite the one that has gone on for 4,000 years between the descendants of Abraham's two sons – Ishmael (Arabs) and Isaac (Israelites).

At long last, one of those new, unspoken realities is the tacit recognition that peace with Arafat's Palestinian Authority is impossible. And also that peace with the PA through any prime minister chosen by Arafat is equally impossible. Arafat's PA-Hamas-Islamic Jihad Triumvirate was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Another of those "realities on the ground" are the large Israeli settlements that exist just outside the Green Line in the West Bank. President Bush endorsed Sharon's unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip. He also acknowledged that some major Israeli population centers on the edge of the West Bank now make it, "unrealistic to expect the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to pre-war borders."

In other words, Arafat had his chance for negotiated statehood, and that chance has been revoked. Asked outright if the new understanding recognized Israel's right to keep some settlements in the West Bank, Bush left that for some ambiguous, future "final negotiations."

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia said in Ramallah as the press conference was going on that, "[Bush] is the first president who has legitimized the [Israeli] settlements in Palestinian territories." Qureia added: "We as Palestinians reject that. We cannot accept that. We reject it and we refuse it."

The Palestinian side has rejected and refused every peace overture extended them. They have broken every signed agreement, without exception, that has been signed between them and Israel since 1993.

Instead of making an effort at peace, Arafat spent most of the last decade spending the billions of dollars generously given him in aid to attack Israel. He spent no time or money setting up infrastructure for a Palestinian state. He built no economy and provided no jobs. The majority of Palestinians still depend upon work in Israel for survival.

So when Israel pulls out of Gaza, and walls out the Palestinian West Bank, Arafat and the Palestinians will have each other. There will be no hated Israelis to work for. They will only have each other.

Maybe then, the Palestinians will recognize that the architect of their misery is the old terrorist currently living in Ramallah.
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I never thought I would be so interested in history till now. HISstory means much much more to me now-God bless and pray for the peace of Jerusalem-Buck

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants!!!

What really ticks me off is our brave men and women have given their lives through the years, in various wars and conflicts so this coward can spew his venom with impunity to anyone who will listen. If this JERK were really concerned about his oppressed brethren, he would be in his homeland right now taking up arms against the INFIDELS. But since he would rather hide behind the provisions of our constitution and try to stir the sh-t up in our homeland then I suggest he start the intifada by picking up a weapon and striking the first blow. I would love to make a martyr out of this seditious bastard!

[Link: allthingsflash.com...]

ah...the sweet sounds and images of our very own twenty-first century holocaust. enjoy!

Is this the future we can see in the hearts and behavior of the liberal land of Berkeley, CA?

It sickens me to think that Berkeley has gone this far. There are those in that town willing to side with Terrorist over USA. There are those that HATE BUSH so much - nothing I mean nothing else matters but him being defeated.

Yes it is OK to stand against the war and practice free thinking, but this is going to far. Berkeley is the spawning ground for REAL DANGEROUS HATE in USA. A hate that exceeds that of the KKK movement in the old South.

Some could even say that Berkeley is a starting ground for a second civil war in USA.

I have become more and more and more conservative as a result of such crazy behavior that the liberals are continueing to illustrate. I liked Bush but do not agree with everything he does. When in contrast to behavior of the Democrat liberal leaders and the attacks by the liberal media it just pushs me closure to the BUSH cause.

Soooo Berkeley get a grip on your ideals and people before the line really is crossed to far. You not helping the USA or you ideals because you will only push more and more the other way.

#272 & 273
Right on Uncle Buck. You speak truth and intelligence based on true research and not just repeating what some imbecile has spewed to you. My wish is that you could speak to the masses and not only the right wing intellectuals that come to these web sites. Is there a plan somewhere, anywhere to speak these truths publicly and openly - where everyone can hear and listen and learn? Is there some way a plan can be formulated?

#262 Note to Berkeley Employee - Did you know that many countries in South America make their citizens pay to go to elementary school. Has nothing to do with taxes! Let's take Argentina for example - kids can go to the free public system school that may or may not be open when they get their for the day, where children are not required to know how to read or write in order to graduate up to the next class - they are merely required to do their time, if the school happens to be open that is - and then they can get a certificate of accomplishment. The private schools have more requirements such as reading, writing, math, etc - however you cannot attend a private school with paying for it. America is one of the few countries that offers a free elementary school education that actually has requirements! Things that make you go hmmmmm? And you're complaining because funding was cut at Berkeley? Berkeley is one of the highest priced state universities in the country. Berkeley is notorious for spewing out liberal leftists, for spewing policitical correctness at its worst, for creating an environment of "anything goes". People don't want to pay taxes for Berkeley to stay open? Maybe because they are hoarding their money for their extreme cost of living in the area - or to pay for generators in case of the next black / brown outs. California causes its own problems regardless of what the rest of the nation does. Why do you stay in an employment when you intimate you don't like the level of pay and / or are dissatisfied with your position? America is a right to work country - did you know that?
If you're tired of the pay at Berkeley I know of several good universities that need qualified help - in Haiti, Iraq, Somalia, etc.
And I don't want to get into a verbal war with you - I don't have much time for that. I run a Bible study out of my home, I teach computer applications to disadvantaged children, and I work with a drug abuse counseling group through the Overcomer's Program (oh my God - I don't know if crack users can ever be swayed but with God I'm trying) - I don't have time for verbal wars and self righteous justification! I only have time for these people, right here - right now. Call a truce? I have to get back to work.