You gotta be S---ing me.

/faux surprise

Nothing they do surprises me anymore, nothing.

Terrorist bingo. You get two chits with every burqa-sized khrappy meal at AbuDonald's.

And so goes my last scrap of moderation towards our friends in the Middle East. From now on, I'm with Camel Prophet.

"O Nazis, because of you the mother mourns her son," reads one caption accompanying a picture of a Palestinian woman weeping after her boy was shot dead by Israeli troops.

"Let me die a martyr, my glorious homeland is calling," says another.

I can't stand it anymore. I am in knots over this and the previous thread.

Gotta catch 'em all!

Wow, the timing is miraculous! NICE!

Something for them to take to school for show n' tell.

Soon, I hope, they can add a sticker called "Arafat, The Martyr"...a sticker with a picture of Arabfart blown to 4000 pieces of paleolithian scraps/carrion.

Soon.

Fasrter Please. Faster.

evariste,

Pokemon for splodeydopes!

*sigh*

Faster please. Wall. Fish fry. Thank you.

#4 Zulubaby

And while they show what they are with such pride yet again, PM Sharon is aiding and abetting. How could he do this??? I personally hope he has to stand down after Likkud votes.

Gaza referendum - April 29

At least we have true friends who understand far better than Sharon.

American Christians Praying for Gaza’s Jewish Community

Splodopomon!

Gotta kill em all!

LOL! You got it down dude.

I mean it. I'm done. If the Iraqis want to run around with posters of al-Sadr hanging out of their ass, let them. If the Palestinians want their kids playing with terrorist Cabbage Patch Kids, let them. If they're all so fucking stupid and sick with occidentalism and Islamic supremacy that they're willing to piss away the best chance they've had at real change for decades, let them.

Seriously, is there a man or woman following the news these days who doesn't think the clash of civilizations is eventually going to go nuclear? Why fight it, then? Wait for them to take out New York or Washington and then respond appropriately. That's what's going to happen anyway.

Zulubaby,

You might want to take a few days off. Keeping up with Paleolithianism can take a mental toll...that is unless you are shooting at them...then its a release.

Arafish, use your "red binder" attack!!!

Qorei-man, use your evasion!!!

Rantisi-mon, use your "wall of children"!!

Oh shit, here it comes...

I'm thinking NC needs some tea and a few days away from the news, myself.

#11, evariste:

Splodopomon!

LOL

-dg

Am I wrong, evariste? I want to be wrong. Tell me if I am.

Powderfinger:

Tag. You're it.

-dg

Powderfinger! You survived!

OT, but Iraq is using its' freedom in a very up to date manner. I feel left out...all I ever get are the Nigerian ones :=(

Iraq joins Nigeria as Internet-fraud center : E-mails promise millions from money stashed abroad by former Saddam aide

NY Nana, you're talking to the wrong girl about Sharon. I have a soft spot for him :-)

AU (#15)

I was just thinking about that. I'm the worst news hound but honestly, I'm freaking out already. It's the anti-Semitism, more than anything, that gets to me.

#22, zorkmidden:

I survived last night, too. I was more than a little surprised to check in this morning and find it still there. I mean, I even drew attention to it.

-dg

#8 AU

I hope, they can add a sticker called "Arafat, The Martyr"

For some reason that just reduced me to stupid giggles.

Where is the Hellfire missile with Arafat's name on it?

I would like to see the "demonstrations" that would result.
---
zulubaby
NC

Don't give up. I know it's hard, but the way to deal with this disgusting reality is to invoke that very Jewish habit of applying humor.

Maybe it's the post-Easter party wine, but I actually find it hilarious that these tools co-opt the American Child's sub-culture of trading stickers---albeit stickers of dumbfuck losers who 'sploded their organs and body-bits all over the university plaza (along with nails and rat poison into the standers-by) --- to celebrate their irredeemably stupid culture of death. It's just too pathetic and ridiculous.

They invite scorn upon themselves.

You're probably not wrong, NC. My personal conclusion is that we will see 1-3 WMD attacks, which will result in us nuking something or the other. It's your own apparent loss of hope that I'm worried about. It's our own optimism, pragmatism and can-do attitude that's led us into this adventure of trying to bring civilization to the Arabs. Maybe it'll work. It probably won't. But it's a hell of a lot better for our own sense of self respect as a nation to be able to say to our kids "they murdered 3000 of us and we tried to go easy on them, we spent billions, we gave them democracy, but it was no use, a wasted effort considering what we eventually had to do" than to say "they killed 3000 of us, and we waited passively until they did something so bad that we had to annihilate them all".
We're in a really rough patch right now. Maybe it's a local trough and we'll be headed up from here, most likely with other setbacks along the way. Maybe it's much worse than that. There's no way to tell if we're on a civilization-timescale uptrend or downtrend; you and I will be old or dead by the time the historians decide it's been settled. It'd be senseless to emotionally live as if we've already failed and had to nuke everything.
It probably looked much worse than this dozens of times in each of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War II, and the Cold War. Somehow we still scraped through, losing lots of battles but winning all our wars.

Tasty Beverage, LOL. That was my reaction too, "how pathetic".

Quran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia
>would awaken a fearsome eagle. The wrath of the eagle
>would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo!
>while some of the people trembled in despair, still
>more rejoiced; for the wrath of the eagle cleansed the
>land of Allah; and there was peace.

Is this a true verse, does anyone know if it is real?

evariste, not a trough, a saddle point!

No, it's bullshit.

twisterella, fine :-)

Tasty Beverage (#26)

I'm not giving up, I'll never give up. I'm just stressing, that's all.

All joking aside:

The 'stickers' are worse than you think.

Ugh.

Full story is here.

Now this is a deck of cards I would like to have...

#25 dexter green

I get it now, it is indeed a brilliant tactic! Bravo, Charles!

(Psst, dg... He's trying to throw them off the scent. Sshh!)

Evariste
Tasty B.
Zulubaby

Its the best compliment I can get...that I make you laugh.

Here is a quick joke:
Whats the difference between a bum and a beatnick...sunglasses.

Its a shit world out there...so we need to take it in stride.

Trust me...I've been having nasty day dreams about blowing up Mecca...and I don't like it.

You have to love Sharon's invocation that anybody who kills jews is a target. i feel the same way. Anybody who kills Jew IS MY TARGET. Try here Hate'm. Try it. I'll be here to put one between your eyes.

The name of Arabfart's missil? Any ideas? What about:
InHisAssOutAnArabFart

The oppressed brotherhood of Peeps held a rally today too.

#35 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

Well, if we go by that deck, we already got the Ace of Spades. Damn, we're on a roll.

AU,

Whats the difference between a bum and a beatnick...sunglasses.

LOL!

#28 evariste

"how pathetic" has been entered into my own (mental)
rotating titles with regards to the Death Cult practitioners. I hope for these people every day, wishing that the natural self-defense mechanism would kick in, or at the least, that some Texican missionary would make head-way with them. As it is, I don't want to face the fact that we might have to write them off as a people. They're too savage in their joyous celebration of child-sacrifice.

#33 zulubaby

(((zulubaby)))

/now I'm really going to bed

27 evariste

It probably looked much worse than this dozens of times in each of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War II, and the Cold War. Somehow we still scraped through, losing lots of battles but winning all our wars.

Now, it's not same Evariste, it's not the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War II, and the Cold War. The West has profoundly changed. Even America. There are infinite more of us, and too few who want to do what it takes. You will be stabbed in the back, and sold out. It has already begun.

#25 Zulubaby

So did I. When he was made PM, I was elated, as I felt he would be a strong, forceful leader, totally unlike whimpy Ehud Barak.

Arik seems to have lost the fire he had. I wonder if the death of his wife had anything to do with it. He is now preparing to do what Barak did, but wasn't, thank G-d, succesful, as he lost the election. Barak was turned down by the nazimuslim pigs, who want nothing less than to kill all the Jews, and steal Israel and Jerusalem. It is not for any human to give away what is only G-d's to...a grain of Israeli soil. Too many have been martyred in order to save Israel. The Israelis pay a very high price to hold onto the land, and Sharon is trying to hand it to them.

Israel has been treated like a pariah by most of the world since the nazimuslims started the intifada that was planned long before PM Sharon went to HarHabayit. He was used as an excuse that the world quickly latched onto, in order to attack Israel with words of hate, couched as 'anti-Zionism'. President Bush has been by far the best friend Israel has had, and what happens when he meets on Wednesday will at least give us an idea of where President Bush stands.

I feel that it is time for Arik to stand down, but for the life of me, cannot think of a suitable replacement, one who will show the strength needed to do what is best for Israel, and answer only to the Israelis. Israel is not some sort of toddler, needing 'guidance'. Israel, sadly, has all too much to teach us re terrorism and security. The West would do well to listen and learn, as we all face a common enemy; the cult of islam.

I think we should start a fund drive and help these kids fill those books quicker. We could go door to door and say something like:

"Hi, I'm trying to help some Palestinian children win prizes such as televisions, computers or cash. Your donation will help some Palestinians move to a place called Paradise and in turn the children will be able to collect pictures of those travelers to paste in their scrapbooks"

/Only half joking

Though this does give a new meaning to "SCRAPbook."

3 top Pak jihadis took underwater swimming lessons -- but failed

Security forces and police, in a rare action of its kind, today killed three top Pakistani militants of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) outfit including a commander Khalid alias Ceera 7 without firing even a single shot in Kreeri Pattan area of Baramulla district in the Kashmir valley. Official sources said the operation was carried out in a house after Baramulla police developed an information about the presence of three top LeT militants at Kreeri Pattan this morning. After taking a close view of the house located in Zargar Mohalla, the security forces and police came to know that the militants were hiding in a Z type well dug tunnel inside the house.

"When it became 100 per cent sure to security forces and police that three top militants were hiding inside the tunnel, they decided not to allow them to come out and kill them inside", the sources said, adding the security personnel filled the tunnel with water. All the three militants were drowned inside. Their bodies were later fished out from the tunnel. They have been identified as Khalid alias Ceera 7, a commander of the outfit, Inayat and Saddam, all Pakistanis. Security forces and police didn’t suffer any casualties in the operation.

...while the jihadis were thoroughly 'liquid-ated'.

NY Nana,

What about Bibi?

ajf

"SCRAPbook"

lol

Any ideas on a name for Arafart's missile...the one that is going to hit him between his reptilian Eyes and come out of his fish-like ass?

What about:

"FishFoodProcessor"

#22 zorkmidden johnson

We shouldn't discuss that.

:-P

There are infinite more of us, and too few who want to do what it takes.

Call me Pangloss, or Pollyanna. I think we're a better nation than we've ever been, and there's more people with what it takes than there ever was. Fuck "the West", and the "profound change" it's supposedly undergone. This is different how from the days when Europeans were the white slaves of the Arab slavers, and paid tribute to Tripoli? It's different how from when Islam was knocking on Vienna's gate and owned Andalusia? It's different how from the dark ages, when both Europe and the Ummah were shit, but Europe was such horrible shit that the Ummah looked good by comparison? Europe has always been shit. They had a brief moment in history where their shit sprouted flowers and we got the Rennaisance, then they sank back into shit because everyone who made that happen got sick of their neighbors and hopped on the next boat to America. The only "West" that counts is the USA. Or did you miss the entire history of the 20th century? Who fielded the armies and saved the world, again and again? Do you really think we're that different from our parents and grandparents? Well, if your parents were hippies, then I hope you're different.
Don't let the loudest, shrillest clowns on the left convince you that everyone in this country is insane, let alone that

You will be stabbed in the back, and sold out. It has already begun.

Good is more powerful than evil. The Jews are still around. Think about that.

The "Paleos" remind me of the zombies in the latest incarnation of Dawn of the Dead - mindless humanoids, one following the next on a mission of blood lust - must eat flesh, must kill Jews. Fortunately, just like in the movie, a bullet to the head seems to stop them.

↑↑↑↑↑Is this the same Grail that's a troll?↑↑↑↑↑

Tony Blair:
Why we must never abandon this historic struggle in Iraq

Well, at least when they get their own state, they will have been programmed to be good little consumers. In the spirit of the Happy-Meal toy, Palestinian children will now equate happiness with owning stuff- esp a full set of stuff. Excellent

Bush is one of the good friends of the Jews in the world, which I why I don't understand why my Jewish psychology professor calls him an idiot all the time and just rags on him incessently.

He's a Reconstructionist Jew, if that means anything (from his description, he made it seem VERY liberal: "God is to you what you want to make him, out of a list of 5 choices" ; "belief in God isn't really central to Judaism"; "I really don't know if God exists, he might" ; etc.). I'm not sure how the REAL Jews take this sort of view on Judaism, but I'm fairly sure that 2000 years ago, this wouldn't pass as orthodoxy by any long shot.

from [Link: www.catholic-pages.com...] is this thing:

Suppose you're traveling to work and you see a stop sign. What do you do? That depends on how you apply exegesis to the stop sign.
...
13. A Reconstructionist Jew, seeing the stop sign, might say: First, this sign is part of our evolving civilization and therefore I must honor it and stop. On the other hand, since its origins are in the past, I must assert that "the past has a vote and not a veto," and therefore I must study the issue carefully and decide if the argument "to stop" is spiritually, intellectually and culturally compelling enough to convince me to stop. If yes, I will vote with the past. If not, I will veto it. Finally, is there any way that I can re-value or transvalue the stop sign's message for our own time?

Seems accurate enough. :)

Read the whole list for a laugh. It's REALLY funny, hehe.

Who the hell are you calling a troll --

What because I don't agree that everything you on right believe is gospel? Because being pro-Israel doesn't mean pro-Bush or pro-right wing?

49 evariste

Good is more powerful than evil.

This ain't the Lords of the Rings. Good movie. Do you remember what Aragorn said when his men were facing the final, seemingly hopeless battle:

“Men of Gondor and Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails... when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship... but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when all hope comes crashing down, but it is NOT this day! This day, we fight! For all that you hold dear, stand, Men of the West!

Who will tell this to us? Kerrey? Kennedy? George "Religion of Peace" Bush?

NY Nana (#43)

President Bush has been by far the best friend Israel has had, and what happens when he meets on Wednesday will at least give us an idea of where President Bush stands.

How so?

Sorry, Grail, of course not. I don't know why I had the impression you were a troll. It was just there in my mind and when I saw your seemingly over the top post I thought, "what's this troll up to?" I take it back.

#46 Powderfinger

I like Bibi, but wonder now, after his share of scandals, and a wife who is a cross between hil and Thereeeza Heinz Kerry, if he would do what has to be done.

I hope that time has been a good teacher, and that as PM, Bibi would be the strong leader he seems to have the capability of being. Intellectually, he is certainly suited, and is most articulate. He has also been shaped in the mold of his older brother, Yonatan Netanyahu OBM, and cannot forget what his brother did at Entebbe. He would put Israel first, for sure, in these perilous times.

Thinking about it, I would have to say that he really seems to be the best choice. However, that being said, Arik is like a cat with 9 lives, and although it would seem that this is life #9, with a Likkud vote, he just might pull it off. I do not think that Israel is being well-served, though, with Arik in office.

#55 Grail

He were asking a question.
Your violently explosive reaction seems to indicate he was onto something.

#49 evariste

Have you seen Roger L. Simon's newest post? He didn't want to wait until morning: "It's Iran, Stupid! - A Message to the Blogosphere."

A rousing call to arms:

I am writing a wakeup call for the blogosphere. While American politics is going through a period of deep sickness, wasting its time and the public’s money on that self-serving orgy of partisan recrimination which was the September 11th hearings, culminating (so far) in Richard Ben-Veniste’s thuggish hatchet-job on Condoleezza Rice, which made even Shakespeare’s famous exhortation about killing the lawyers seem like an understatement (not to mention Bob Kerrey’s nonstop aria of preening self-promotion in print and on screen), the world is at a crisis point. It made me ashamed to be a Democrat, but no matter. That is the least of it. I am a blogger and I have a duty to the future, not to any political party. Political parties come and go, but humanity is here forever, at least so far. And my rhetoric may be overblown, but at this moment in history, putting it bluntly, even to this agnostic, partisan politics is the Devil’s best friend.

Nowhere can we see that better in the see no evil, hear no evil international response to that fulcrum of Islamic fascism itself Iran. One of the most populous countries in the region with one of the most educated populaces, if not the most educated populace, its people are suffering under one of the most heinous regimes in the world, a mullahcracy that is the greatest single exporter of violent terror and frightening reactionary ideology extant. All of this is enabled, even de facto supported, by our European allies (yes, including the British, alas) who have treated the mad mullahs in much the same way they treated the Nazis in 1937, looking the other way to preserve their business interests. Meanwhile students are tortured, dissidents murdered, nuclear weapons constructed and millions of dollars sent overseas to support their Islamofascist brethren in Iraq, Afghanistan and beyond...

Well, fellow bloggers, I know many of you feel the same way as I do about this. Jeff Jarvis has made a hero of himself to some Iranian students, supporting their freedom movement, as has, perhaps more than anyone, Michael Ledeen (yes, he’s not a blogger, but he’s a blogger at heart). And of course the Free Iran Movement of the Iranian students themselves has been in the forefront of the struggle with its Ativistchat.

But the rest of us have to do more. (And I’m not talking about all out war. I’m talking about keeping the issue on the front burner, forcing those in authority to take a militant stand against the mullahs.) The media are engaged in the presidential campaign, as if the contest between Bush and Kerrey was of greater significance than the battle between fascism and democracy. Well…hello!... it’s not (and, yes, there are many other issues and, yes, I recognize they are important, but not this important, nowhere near). It is the job of the blogs—freelance, unfettered and (mostly) unpaid—to keep the focus on what’s really consequential, the future of civilization. Iran is on the top of my list. I invite you to join me.

[Link: rogerlsimon.com...]

It's your own apparent loss of hope that I'm worried about

You got that right, bro'- somehow we have to keep some hope going- the humor helps-

There has to be some righteous anger- not over the top, and not raging, but cool white heat.

Michelle at a small victory seems to have 'em all going at once. The peep stuff was funny- and her entries for the last couple of days have been white hot.

I'm hardly naive to what's goin on - but the poison coming out of Kos's site- that vicious moonbat that started the Nazi stories on the Blackwell guy- and the posters and speeches that zombie posted-- We already had professors at our colleges calling for 1,000,000 Mogadishu's -- and now an American Intifada?? And American's cheer this in the week that we lost the most American soldiers in how long?
This has been one hell of a week.

How many millions went down the last time the fire got out of control??

We have to dig down folks, and find that hope down deep in the center. And we have to offer it to anyone open to it-- and then we have to make a stand. I have no idea what it wil look like or what day it wil come, but it is coming.And we will have to make a stand.

TimmyTheDhimmy

This ain't the Lords of the Rings. Good movie.

I thought the two that I saw sucked :-) Sorry! That's not why I believe good is more powerful than evil. Try history itself, instead.

#58 evariste

...or not. :-)

#64 ördög, hey, I don't know if s/he is or isn't a troll, but it's not right to call someone a troll if you don't know for certain :-) Grail's certainly been posting long enough to get the benefit of the doubt, trolls hit and run.
Connecticut Yankee, if there was one thing I wish for, it would be that Charles would bang the drum harder for Iranian revolution and/or American intervention. It seems like we barely ever get a post about Iranian students.

#65 evariste

Maybe he will now-- or perhaps Roger will pay us a friendly visit. Forgot to mention, BTW, that Roger posted a link to news about a fresh uprising in Isfahan. Things may be coming to a boil in Iran.

"Take it back" -- no troll here. If I responded too harshly I apologize - just seems I get too much grief on here for being one of the few lefties around

Connecticut Yankee-it's hard, too: I keep thinking something big is about to happen there, and then it keeps fizzling. It does seem like it's been on a nice simmer for a while lately though.

Grail

If I responded too harshly I apologize - just seems I get too much grief on here for being one of the few lefties around

I understand, it must be tough. Actually, I seem to remember defending you from trolling accusations in the past, ironically :-)
You're not that rare though, several of the regulars are lefties. Most of them are voting for Bush, true, but still...

#68 evariste

Do you think the "fog of war" applies to the little scraps of news that we get from Iran? I'd like to think there's more going on-- at least with the student groups-- than we hear about. And the mass media sure won't tell the story.

Connecticut Yankee-to a certain extent, probably, but I think at least the info about how hot or cold the conflict is is getting through via the blogs. I trust the bloggers better than the media, which is trying furiously to bury the story. Blogs make state-owned oriental media and leftist-agenda-driven occidental media like a one-legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen pond.

I have to go to sleep, or I'll be up till 5 again. 'Night all :-)

@69 - Well it's been 6 no votes so far for the Bush family from me.

to elaborate more -- try being a leftie and pro-Israel these days. I may be called a troll from time to time b/c I don't post messages you would expect from a leftie. I think those savages that use children as bombs should killed. I also think that the right uses idiots like pancake girl to give the mainstream left a bad name. The left gets lambasted for being in bed with terrorists but no one denounces GWB's love affair with the crown pig of the Saud entity. Recently it was the letters to the Holy Land olive oil company that advertises on here - all blamed on the moral-less left. I found that amazing since the first thing I did was buy some when I read those letters. I could go on and on but i think you get my point ---

"Bassim, who did you get?"

"I got Sheikh Yassin and Yehiyah "the Engineer" Ayyash! Allahu Akbar!!! Who did you get, Saed?"

"I got this crummy Chairman Arafish card... Why Allah, WHY?"

On a more serious note, here are some examples of the glorious shahids, sheikhs, etc., ad nauseam...

Grail, being leftie does not mean you are necessarily a moonbat -- if you are not willing to submit to a goose step and groupthink, then you are ok, you may be closer to a libertarien than to a leftie then.
It is my experience that the majority of people grow out of it (leftiism), so ... there is still some hope for you! :-)

#72
evariste

Good night-- and thanks for the happy reminder that my cats all have a) four legs; and b) indoor cat johns. (I'm sure they're duly grateful too!)

@ 75 -- Getting too old to grow out of most things except my clothes (and don't quote that fake Churchill line - check [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...]

#73   Grail

I too despise the Faustian bargain struck by Bush—and every other president of the last century—with the house of Sa'ud. It's shameful, rapacious, and it has horrendous consequences worldwide. (Incidentally, check out Hatred's Kingdom, by Dore Gold and Sleeping with the Devil, by Robert Baer if you haven't yet.) There is a slew of other Bush policies I don't like. Nonetheless, he'll probably get my vote because I think that he's our best hope in fighting terror and helping Israel.

Grail (#73)

The left gets lambasted for being in bed with terrorists but no one denounces GWB's love affair with the crown pig of the Saud entity.

If you're saying that about LGF it's simply not true, there are posters here who have plenty to say on that issue.

@ 79 -- I would hope so but outside of post 78 above yours, I have yet to read one.

Night all

#78 patrickafir

Perfectly said. And I've read both books.

zulubaby: goodnight and thank you again :-)

Goodnight everyone.

#77 Grail

and don't quote that fake Churchill line

???

I said that *in my experience*, not that Churchill said this or that. I still feel great, thank you, but a century ago, I may have been considered an old man.

Grail (#80)

My nick is zulubaby, not

@ 79

Thanks.

I would hope so but outside of post 78 above yours, I have yet to read one.

You're right, none of them (besides me) are on this thread, but they're around, you'll see :-)

Night zorkmidden.

Night to those depating to the dreamland.

Ahm, departing, that is. Need new glasses, darn!

zulubaby, if you need us to, patrickafir and I can pick up the slack, I don't mind some overtime ;-)

grail,

I would hope so but outside of post 78 above yours, I have yet to read one. Night all

Post 78 expressed my feelings as well. Is there something you would like to discuss? Or do you just want to put us down and leave?

Grail

I think you may be slightly in thrall to some stereotyping. I've found that there is a wide range of political stances at LGF, and I feel quite comfortable here as a centrist. Yeah, there's a pronounced conservative contingent here, but a.) tough foreign policy has always been a classic conservative point of ideology, and b.) there's no rule saying those on the left can't be friendly with those on the right!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oh yeah- realwest, Happy birthday.

there's no rule saying those on the left can't be friendly with those on the right!

Not to mention it opens another whole dimension in one's relationship with the in-laws. The horror of agreeing with them! ;-)

All of a sudden I feel like a troll. Aren't they the ones who say good night yet never leave?

#89   zorkmidden johnson

heh Looks like you might enjoy this book. I just finished it.

Also, this happened just two hours ago. It's nice when there's some good news. Three more glorious shahids heading for their sweet box of raisins in the sky.

OK, so what's new...

I am optimist, for the most part, but that does not mean everything is peachy, in my view. There is quite a rocky road ahead.

So, some resources for general perusal:

Get tough

Ditch Medicine

#47  AU  

Any ideas on a name for Arafart's missile

First choice: BLTN (Better Late Than Never)
Followed by:
StarKist
Mrs. Paul
The Cure
...

#92   ördög Johnson

Thanks. I was thinking along the lines of the "get tough" link when I saw the "Avenge Yassin" guy on the San Francisco Moonbat Convention post. I hate to admit that, but it's true. Damn human fallibility...

#92 ordog (minus umlauts) Johnson

Um, about the Ditch Medicine book? Yeah, sorry, I can't stand the sight of needles, I faint at the sight of blood, I doubt very much I would do any field tracheotomies. (My parents wanted me to be a doctor, and yes, I failed them). But I'm glad there are people around who can do that. Just don't make me look, ok? ;-)

#94 patrickafir

I meant the link as a self-defense resource...keep it in mind.
But I understand. :-)

patrickafir

Thanks for the book suggestion. It's now on my wish list. And speaking of books, this is the third time I'm posting this, someone read this book, please! ;-)

David Horovitz - "Still Life with Bombers"

patrickafir

Did you read "Arafat's War"? It's a must read, tell me you've read it, or else! ;-)

Asia Times: Antiamericanism

#98   zorkmidden johnson

I'm afraid I have to tell you the latter, "Or else!" But I'll write it down. I'll also be looking to get that book by Horovitz. I've been somewhat negligent in the area of science lately, which I love, so now I'm starting The Science of Good and Evil, by Michael Shermer, who also wrote an absolutely superlative book on Holocaust denial which he wrote with Alex Grobman. One of the coolest things about this book—outside of flatly refuting revisionist poison—is that it demonstrates how we know that anything happened in history.

Hey, I feel kind of guilty about hijacking this thread. Sorry, Charles.

#99 Trumpeter (Peter Dracula-Martell)

From your link:

In the 1960s, the best example of this behavior was European attitudes toward US involvement in Vietnam. A startling number of French commentators developed a sudden amnesia about their country's own involvement in Indochina, and the fact that France, while embroiled in its ugly war with the Viet Minh, "frequently pleaded for and sometimes obtained American help".

I'll try to avoid going on a rant here, but this is exactly what I argue about with my European friends, who blame exclusively the U.S. for the Vietnam war. And this from a French author? Maybe fairies do exist!

patrickafir

Thanks for the links, I'll take an "or else!" myself ;-)

While Holocaust denial maybe an academic issue for most people in the States, I lived it, I grew up in it, and it sickens me still.

#95 zorkmidden johnson

Oh you're such a wussy!

I remember, when I was about 8, I was at a slaughter of a pig at my granpa's. I was holging one leg, albeit symbolically, as 6 grownups were really doing the holding. Yes, it was the throat cut (pardon me for going into gory details)...and I just felt suddenly a whirpool aroung me and blaked out.

About a year later, I collided with a motorbike. The rider tried to slow down in the last second, but just ran into him. He sent me flying nad the i got some drag on the gravel that slwed me down. I thought am dead, so I left, Whatever they tell you about the world beyond, they do not have any idea.
I was still a child, so I did not drag any baggage with me. It was an amazing experience. However, my body was salvageable, so I slipped back, probably in 2 minutes. Darn, It felt horrible, but after a while, the endorphins kicked in, so it was ... mangeable. I was missing some flesh on my left knee, the knee cap was visible, and other spots were scraped as well. I had difficulty breathing, but miraculously, no ribs broken, despite that my thorax was the impact spot.
Looking at the bloody shreds of my left leg, it did not seem so horible, almot as some sort of curiosity envelped me and it did not make me sick to look at that at all. Later in the hospital, the surgeon used only local anesthesia and I saked him to sit me up so I can see what he is doing. He did not object, calling me a brave little man, and I watched him to cut pieces that were not posible to salvage, then cleaning the wounds and stitching them.

Yes, I were young, and despite I have permanent scars that are still faintly visible, I healed fast.

Somehow, this experience helped me to overcome my previous disposition.

I think if you would be in a situation where you habe to act to save a life, for instance, you may get over you abhorrence of gore pretty fast.

ordog (minus umlauts) Johnson

I think if you would be in a situation where you habe to act to save a life, for instance, you may get over you abhorrence of gore pretty fast.

Honestly, I think I would just start screaming really loud, and hope I wake the neighbours!

And about stiches? I had to get some when I was six and happened to slice my ear in two, and the doctor kept me occupied by asking me "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?" It traumatized me so much, I'm still stuck on that question.

#104 zorkmidden johnson

Okay, okay, I'll stop pushing your envelope! :-)

#103   ördög Johnson

Your intestinal fortitude exceeds mine, man. But you're right—one true hallmark of the human animal is our ability to be flexible, to adapt, and to change in response to our environment.

I never broke a bone in my body, but I got stitches a lot when I was a kid. Also, I used to cook for a living, so I got plenty of knife cuts. Blood doesn't bother me too much, but I'd rather not see it.

And to think I came back all fired up and ready to talk about the Saudis... Instead, it's all blood and guts and books...

:-P

heh when i almost lost my arm and was bleeding to death the instinct to remain calm saved my life and being calm gave me the ability to be able to meet the ambulance outside and i dont like gore but when it comes down to it i manage

#106 patrickafir

Blood doesn't bother me too much, but I'd rather not see it.

I agree with that, 100% . :-)

#108 jimmytheclaw

Cool!

So, let's talk Soddies! :-)

patrickafir

This year I finally learned the importance of mis-en-place. I'm a much happier person in the kitchen now.

Saudis, blood, arm amputations... Wait! It's all coming together now!

the fraudi's

woohoo american graffitti on tv actualy a decent movie 5 am easter monday

So, why haven't we invaded SA?

{picks up snifter of brandy, settles in}

#112 zorkmidden johnson

LOL!

Not really. The differnece is profound. While we here love life, some Soddies love death. Especially when that concerns death of someone else but them, personally (speaking of royals, now).

Holy Toledo Cow, it's 2:00 a.m.!

grail, this is all your fault, I hope you're having nightmares right now.

I must go to bed. We'll invade SA some other day...

G'night for reals this time, everyone!

i personly do not like the relationship we have with the fraudi's however we need a strong president now kerry is not that so for the second time in 23 years of voting i'll be putting a vote in for (R) for pres

Bastard Sword on Global Warming:

Point 3. If your ass numbers aren’t big enough, just stretch the prediction out so far into the future that all data becomes completely meaningless. Hell, just predicting 100 years into the future is rather pointless, because although you can scare the inhabitants of modern Europe with stories about the coming desertification of Europe, Europe’s future inhabitants, all Arab of course, are used to that environment.

#108 jimmytheclaw 4/12/2004 01:53AM PST
heh when i almost lost my arm and was bleeding to death the instinct to remain calm saved my life and being calm gave me the ability to be able to meet the ambulance outside and i dont like gore but when it comes down to it i manage

You and I will have to swap grievous-injury stories over a beer some day. we can gross out everyone else. ;)

#115 zorkmidden johnson

Why? Indeed!

Well, it is rather complex matter. There are really two main centers of Islamist ideology -- SA and Iran.
That is the reason Iraq was the choice from strategical POV (beside the fact there was some legal beef for invasion). Just look at the map. Being stationed in Iraq means both SA and Iran are accessible (not to mention Syria).

Attacking SA would be, at this stage, rather dangerous, because the muslim world would probably freak out majorly and the result would be a very bloody mess.

Well, it may come to that, true, but the idea is that if we create a democratic, viable society in Iraq, the domino effect may take place and we will win the battle without the big bloody mess.

It is a gamble, no doubt, but it would be silly not to try it.

SA itself is in an internal turmoil, despite that the royal thugs are trying to keep it in check. Their days are numbered, well may be a few years, but I see writing on the wall. Who will get the upper hand is hard to tell, but it is possible that the fight between royals and clerics and their supporters would benefit the busines sector that would take over by default. Would that mean the SA society would change its nature? Likely, if the tribal structure is eroded in the conflict.

#120 Rayra Johnson

You and I will have to swap grievous-injury stories over a beer some day. we can gross out everyone else. ;)

Don't get me started! What I posted was just One day in life of Ivan Denisovich. :-)

I will likely have an uneventfull rest of my life, I already exceeded statistical averages on many counts during the years, kinda condensed karmic principle. :-)

#49 evariste

Good is more powerful than evil. The Jews are still around. Think about that.

Who fielded the armies and saved the world, again and again?

My God you're a conceited prick. Despite all your pontificating all you are saying is that Might Is Right. The world wouldn't have been any better or worse off if the Germans had won the First War, whats more, Hitler might have been avoided if Germany had won. Instead all you did was help Britain suck her colonies dry for another 30 years. With the exception of WWII i really don't see how any of your wars have been for the greater good of the world.

Terrorism is nothing new, and when it was killing people all through the 70s 80s and 90s throughout South America, Africa and Asia the West did nothing to stop the organizations responsible. In fact, many were conveniently labled "Freedom Fighters" and allowed to raise funds and arms. It would take an attack targeted at Westerners or Israelis for the media to take any attention and to draw a token response from your governments.

You've had your finger in so many pies its no surprise you got burnt. I have no problem with the US killing as many terrorists as they like, but for God sake spare us the injured air of indignation, and the blanket treatment of entire populations as espoused by this site. Your comic book culture has prepared you for battles of good vs evil, but unfortunately its never as simple as that. While no sane person can argue a case for the terrorist actions of 9/11 and thereafter, the sad fact remains that many of you on this site haven't acknowledged WHY it happened - instead you've pandered to the stereotype and just set about blowing stuff up with the hope things will get better...

OT

More LLL insanity - elderly "radical" couple in Minnesota adopt imprisoned Israeli nuclear traitor Vanunu, hope to bring him to US so he could live in their spare bedroom.

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Mary and Nick Eoloff on Saturday received the worst news that eager parents could expect -- their adoptive son can't come home with them to St. Paul. He is barred from leaving his resident country of Israel and can't even go within 300 meters of its borders. The Eoloffs were set to leave this morning on a flight bound for Tel Aviv to visit Mordechai Vanunu, a grown man and prison inmate they adopted in an effort to bring him to the United States. The spare bedroom in their St. Paul condo is ready for him, but the retired couple, both in their 70s, are beside themselves because he won't be coming home with them.

. . . The Eoloffs, self-described "radical Catholics," adopted Vanunu seven years ago. They learned this weekend that Vanunu's application for a passport has been denied by the Israeli Security Services.

. . . Unwed and childless, Vanunu wanted to apply the knowledge of American history he learned during his nearly 12 years of solitary confinement in a windowless, 6-by-9 cell and teach at a university, she said. After exchanging letters, the Eoloffs -- Nick, a retired editor of law books at West Publishing, and Mary, briefly a teacher and chiefly a housewife -- adopted Vanunu in 1997 under the erroneous assumption that he would become a U.S. citizen. Citizenship is granted only to adopted children under 16. The couple has visited him about twice a year since then.

"I think it's a publicity stunt to adopt him in that manner," said Julie Swiler, spokeswoman for the regional Jewish Community Relations Council. "He gave away government secrets that put his country and the citizens of his country at risk. That's a very serious offense. I can't imagine anyone would have this campaign for an American spy who put our safety at risk."

really ot: found this over on USS Clueless

I am the very model of a modern left wing democrat.
I vent my spleen and prattle in forums on the internet.
I can’t hold long a single thought. I need to take my Ritalin.
Now what was that you asked of me? Did I just take my vitamin?
I cannot lose an argument, so why don’t you get used to it.
I won’t concede a single point, even if there’s no truth in it.
No matter what you say to me, I’ll post back an ad-homenim.
Regardless of the things you do, you’re all BushHitler’s supermen
They call me Post-It Note’s bleat boy, and I post crap like it was true.
On all the countless websites that my drivel is cross-posted to.

Chorus:
We call him Post-It Note’s bleat boy, and he posts crap like it was true.
On all the countless weblogs that his drivel is cross-posted to.
On all the countless weblogs that his drivel is cross-posted to.

Your weblog I will litter with my often posted snivelling
And you all have to pay the bill, supporting all my drivelling.
My posts sum up in six bad lines of mindless dreck and scribbling,
But lots of carps and doodoo too, plump out my posts with twiddling.
Impossible to penetrate much less on which to cogitate
I don’t see how you can relate, to my simplistic mental state.
I will flame you with invective till you yield to my perspective.
Of socialist utopia when we join the big collective.
My whole outlook is progressive my belief is so obsessive
All your taxes are regressive cause with stuff we are possessive.

Chorus:
His whole outlook is progressive his belief is so obsessive
All our taxes are regressive cause with stuff they are possessive.
All our taxes are regressive cause with stuff they are possessive.

I’m ignorant of simple facts, both social and historical.
So don’t confuse me with your lies, just argue metaphorical.
No matter what you say to me, I’ll argue opposite you see.
If provably you show I’m wrong I’ll change the question joyfully.
My facts are bad, conclusions too, my arguments erroneous,
You’ll be crying oh “boo hoo”, cause I’m so sanctimonious.
My learning is extensive but is nothing more than Chomskyia,
Designed to fan my hatred of the Empire called Amerika,
Your ruler soon is coming down, we'll crush him like a big ass clown
John Kerry soon will wear the crown, so I don't care if you all drown.
I am the very model of a left wing personality.
I intersperse mendacity with vacuous opacity.

Chorus:
He is the very model of a left wing personality.
He’ll intersperse mendacity with vacuous opacity.
He’ll intersperse mendacity with vacuous opacity.

123

Did John F-ing Kerry just visit LFG?

That, or it was another "enlightened" European. . . . If there's even a difference.

Either way: GAZE

-dg

Amazed

We did nothing through the 70's, 80's and 90's???
What about 50,000 dead boys left in Southeast Asia. Yes we gave up and dragged away-- and say over 2 million slaughtered afterwards. What about fostering democracy throughout Europe, Asia, and Latin America? Might makes right??-- clearly that is what you espouse in saying that it would have been just fine for the Prussian militarists to dominate the world. Granted-- the real bloodsuckers--the nazis and communists followed their defeat.

No sane person can make an argument for 9/11??-- You sir are a total idiot. Lots of sane people do precisely that-- from the Mullah Omar to all of the happy smiling people on the streets of Ramallah and Cairo, to the trolls who post here saying it was caused becuase we refuse to help with the extirmination of Israel. However--they(and you) shall follow the Prussian militarists and communists into history.

how does this differ from the myriad of violent games our children play?

our games teach children that by killing many of the "enemy" and as quickly as possible, one moves to a higher level.

unlike playing a violent game, the children of the Middle East are living a violent game.

sometimes it is difficult to see that you and your "enemy" are using similar "gaming" tactics.

Beyond that--evariste is a conceited prick??? Get real--FOAD!

#129 DoubleStandard

GAZE

OT but interesting news.

While most of you were asleep they now continue fighting in Fallujah.

Sad news is that CNN now reports that 19 American soldiers have been killed in action since Friday...

#129 DoubleStandard

Huh? The Japanese have some of the most violent entertainment in the world. Where can I find the Japanese Int-EEE-fadah?

If you don't see the difference between a video game of fiction versus the glorification of violence that is REAL then we have much bigger problems than simple differences of opinion.

“I don’t mind the scenes of violence in the album, at least this game keeps them off the streets,” said the father of four, who admits the intifada game has become a favourite family activity.

That's the FATHER talking.

Somwhat OT:

VDH has a new article and answers questions from the leadership on his site - [Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Key from the article - which has a common point to this thread's topic -

But do not forget that for some strange reason the most powerful military in the history of civilization was not allowed to move on this latter-day Jugurtha before his venom infected thousands beyond his immediate Mafia. The moment there was good proof in the days following the toppling of Saddam that Sadr had ordered and killed various rival Shiites, he should have been arrested, tried, and, if found guilty, hanged—at a time when the United States military was fresh from victory and still in a combat mode.

There is a lesson in the saga of Sadr here that we really must relearn about this entire war. The United States, because it is militarily powerful and humane in the way that it exercises that force, usually can pretty much do what it wishes in this war against terrorists. In every single engagement since October 2001 it has not merely defeated but obliterated jihadists in Afghanistan and Iraq. The only check on its power has been self induced: out of a misplaced sense of clemency it has often ceased prematurely the punishment it has inflicted on enemies—at Tora Bora, in the Sunni Triangle, during the looting of Baghdad, and now perhaps at Fallujah—and relented to enter into peace parleys, reconciliation, and reconstruction too early.
This understandable restraint allowed defeated terrorists to believe that either out of fear of world opinion or too sensitive to domestic discord we were hesitant to dispatch them to their promised paradise. But there is a law and a way to war over the ages that are unfortunately immutable, given that human nature is constant across time and space: namely that peace follows only from the defeat and humiliation of the culpable, not from magnanimity granted to impotent but still proud enemies. I suppose in 1864, William Tecumseh Sherman should have let it be known that he wished to speak and dialogue with "that devil Forrest." Instead, he promised to have the greatest cavalry commander in American history hounded incessantly—an opponent far more formidable than this present bearded Satyr in robes. Tired, his once proud riders dead, wounded, or exhausted, the supposedly unbreakable Nathan Bedford Forrest who had promised never to quit, sheepishly told his men after Appomattox, "I'm a going home."

Read it all.

Check also the responses to the readership -

Can there be peace without Israel destroying its Arab enemies?
It need not destroy its Arab enemies, simply destroy the idea entertained by some of them that they can end Israel—a policy of course that suggests ruin to those who won’t give that impossible dream up.

So I wake up this morning to check this other blog where I spend most of my time these days, and a left wing writer justifies her condemnation of Israel by posting, of all things, this whacko group that represents 1 in 500000 Jews. I have to go to work soon but I am frothing. It never ends.

___-
Some Orthodox Jews opinion

"Sharon" and the State of "Israel"
The nemesis of a Jewish representation

Upon the meeting of President George W. Bush and "Israeli" Prime Minister Sharon on April 14, at the White House, Washington DC, Orthodox Jews will be demonstrating in front of the White House, to proclaim and clearly state that: Sharon and the State of "Israel" are illegitimate and they do not represent the Jewish people.

Date: Wednesday April 14, 2004
Place: White House, Lafayette Park
Time: 12:00 PM

Let it be known that:

The State of "Israel" does not represent the voice of Judaism and/or the Jewish people. The Torah clearly forbids the formation of a State, for the Jewish people, in their time of exile.

The Torah forbids stealing land, subjugating and oppressing a people etc.

The root cause of the endless bloodshed and suffering in the Holy Land is Zionism and the State of "Israel".

The root cause for the continual rise of worldwide anti-Semitism is Zionism and the State of "Israel".

The Jewish people have been living in Muslim countries, including Palestine, in peace and harmony with their Arab neighbors, until the advent of Zionism.

True to the above and for many other reasons, the rabbinic authorities universally, have vehemently opposed the State of "Israel" since the time of its inception.

Consequently, Sharon has no legitimacy to be the representative of the Jewish people.

The only working solution to a true and lasting peace is the total dismantling of this illegitimate State of "Israel" - a transformation to a Palestinian rule. Any other of the countless proposals for peace, whereby the State of "Israel" would continue to exist, is futile. As the Torah states "why are you violating the words of G-d, it will not be successful" (Numbers, 14: 41).

Our fervent prayer to G-d is, for this transition from the State of "Israel" to a Palestinian State, to transpire, speedily and peacefully, without any further suffering and bloodshed. Under this new Palestinian rule, we will once again, G-d willing, be able live side by side, Jew and Arab, in brotherhood.

Neturei Karta International
[Link: www.nkusa.org...]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004

The eastern world
It is explodin'
Violence flaring, bullets loading
You're old enough to live
But Islam’s cult ain’t much for votin'
You don't believe in life
Your way too busy splodin'
What the hell you reading in the Qur’an you're totin'
Even when your streets have bodies bloatin
But you tell me
Over and over and over again my friend
You don't believe You’re on The Eve of Your Destruction
Fallujah: US given ultimatum

OT

Fallujah: US given ultimatum

Baghdad - Iraqi rebels in Fallujah have demanded that US forces leave the besieged town on Monday afternoon or face a renewed "all-out offensive".

Let me get this straight, they're telling U.S. Marines to get out "or else." Hmmm, what would the Marine on the ground's repsonse be? Let me think?

I almost feel sorry for the terrorist scum. Almost.

I heard one page is for scratch-n-sniff stickers. There is a tear gas sticker which, when scratched, emits a tear gas odor; another smells like donkey shit. The most popular, however, gives off the roasted smell of a "shahid's" smoldering body following an Israeli missile strike.

Charles, the Stand Down NO WAR crowd has a post you might want to read.

A Well-Deserved Poke at LGF

139 Gazza

The 'Left-Right Blog'??? the a$$hat can even figure out that much?

General Custard: That's nothing new. Many Orthodox Jews have stood in opposition to the state of Israel from its very founding. They hold the view that the only legitimate return of the jews to Israel is on the coming of the messiah.

Obviouly the Zionists hold a different view.

#137 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

Spencer Ackerman's latest post reports that even Iranian Shia clerics are calling the Fallujahns "terrorists" in addition to urging the Sadrites and the al-Mehdi militia to cease factionalist violence. It's not unlikely to see the Shia community gang up on the Sunnis in Fallujah, but the US marines aren't going to stop the destruction of Fallujah until all arms are put down and the resistance ceases.

#141 Axiom

I was in the Marines for 8+ years, infantry for a good portion of that. A threat like those morons made is a good way to get the Marines mad, which is the last thing those idiots want to see. Come to think of it, it probably will be the last thing quite a few of them ever see.

#139 Gazza

Already covered

On CBC radio this morning, Jerusalem correspondent Michael McAuliffe said that there are concerns that Hamas will take over Gaza following Israel's withdrawal. That may be a problem, says MM, because "Washington regards Hamas as a terrorist organization".

Apparently, the CEEB sees Hamas's status as being open to interpretation, depending on your viewpoint. I wonder how it would regard an organization who's rainson d'etre was the destruction of Canada.

Raison d'etre.

OT-

Left-biased media ignoring major news.

[Link: www.theglitteringeye.com...]

Meanwhile,

in Maryland:

[Link: www.baltimoresun.com...]

and England:

[Link: observer.guardian.co.uk...]

Dissent from the Religion of Peace party line is verboten.

Check out CNN's front page right now. Ignoring, if you can, the defeatist headline -- how about that family picture?

If I ever have daughters, I hope they will be as honorable and brave as the Witmer women. Sincere condolences to the family on their loss, and a thousand "thank you's" to the soldiers for defending me, mine, and all that we hold dear.

-dg

#125 Jewels-- Gilbert and Sullivan is it? Catchy!

all: The posts last night were not too hopeful, so I went in search of an antidote. This is an excerpt from a speech made by Dr. Krauthammer at AEI. I have the tape. :-)

We are friends to all, but we come ashore only where it really counts. And where it counts today is that Islamic crescent stretching from North Africa to Afghanistan. In October 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we came to the edge of the abyss. Then, accompanied by our equally shaken adversary, we both deliberately drew back. On September 11, 2001, we saw the face of Armageddon again, but this time with an enemy that does not draw back. This time the enemy knows no reason...The rationality of the enemy is something beyond our control. But the use of our power is within our control. And if that power is used wisely, constrained not by illusions and fictions but only by the limits of our mission-- which is to bring a modicum of freedom as an antidote to nihilism-- we can prevail.

You can read the whole text here
Democratic Realism

That is hopeful thing #1. Hopeful thing #2 is LGF itself. This probably needs no explanation to the lizardoids, but I am going to try to explain it to WoC. And hopeful thing #3 (sorry, evariste, but I think you're wrong about the nukes) is this "There'll never be a World War III-- there's too much real estate involved."-- Kurt Vonnegut.

Well, the carbon-based realm calls. Have a good day, and keep up the good fight!

#123 amazed:

OK then. I didn't see your post before I posted.

I think you could seriously benefit from reading Democratic Realism (link in my last post). That is, unless you are so in love with sound of your own voice that you are unable to accept empirical data.

More GarbagePaliKid Indoctrination -- scroll down to "Jihad for Kids."

Hokay, after a little Googling:

The Witmer Family Website. The picture I mentioned above (showing mom and three daughters) is about half-way down the page.

There's a link on the left-hand side of their page that sends you to the post a message page.

I would encourage you all to leave Jon & Lori Witmer a message offering condolences and thanking their daughters (Charity & Rachel) for their service.

-dg

OT - these people just don't give up do they? Just had a load of anti-semitic and anti-zionist filth messaged to me at my faceparty account. Did I have pro-Israeli propaganda on there? Did I call for death to all Muslims? Did I say anywhere that I was a Jew? None of them, I just have a photo of the tattoo on my arm which happens to be the star of David. Now, I am Jewish but I've never had stuff like this. Where did it originate? Surprise, surprise Pakistan. I feel so angry its unbelievable.

Check out my profile at

[Link: www.faceparty.com...]

and tell me if there's anything that states that I'm a Zionist imperialist Jew who deserves to be burned to death (thats what my messenger in Pakistan basically said!).

OT Good article at The American Thinker

The need to blame

Nineteen Arabs hijacked four commercial jets and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing almost 3,000 people on 9/11. But for many people, this is an afterthought or a minor part of the story. The real criminals are those who did not prevent the attacks. In their vision of the perfect world, alert national security leaders, working with crisp intelligence information, would have been on top of every threat, and should have quickly responded to and pre-empted these attacks.

Of course, these same critics of the less than perfect response to the signals that might have been out there warning of 9/11, are not happy with any invasion of privacy. They do not like racial profiling (such as asking why the same Arab men were buying first class tickets on the same Boston to LA route week after week). They do not like the CIA getting into domestic operations. They do not like anybody listening in on phone calls, or reading emails, or tracking suspicious people. They think John Ashcroft is a monster, and the Patriot Act smacks of Nazi Germany.

So we must have perfect intelligence information, and perfect interpretation of that information, but somehow obtain it without changing anything in the way our free and open society operates.

Sorry guys but I think the party is over. Bush will lose the election if things continue as they are in Iraq.

The combined forces of the anti-war media, posturing Democrats and events in Iraq are simply too powerful for him to overcome. Oh well- at least we tried.

Hopefully he will pound the shit out of the enemy until the inevitable Kerry pull out so it isn't interpreted as the act of weakness and lack of political will that it will actually be.

And, true to form, some jackass has used the opportunity to spew some hateful, hurtful ideology:

My heart goes out to every innocent IRAQI person got killed in Falluja , Iraq. These “sharp shooters” from the US Marines who have the profession to kill Iraqi women and children in Iraq (Like the massacres they committed in Falluja) will have no safe heaven in Iraq. They will be barbequed by the brave men of Iraq. Leave the Iraqis alone and get out of our country, if you want your boys to come home safely.

Never mind the fact that Michelle Witmer wasn't a "boy."

Whoever posted it claims to be an "Iraqi from Fallujah," which is possible. I wouldn't put it past some rabid LLL-types from other parts of the world, though. (Kos, Cramer, I'm looking at you & your hangers-on.) IP address is 12.151.162.22, but it generates an error in all the online reverse dns tools so I couldn't verify one way or another.

Heartless f*cker. There are no words in the English language that adequately convey my contempt.

-dg

#155 tmf

Hey, I think someone needs a hug! ;-)

Try and look at it this way. 40% of the population would never vote for Kerry. The 20% that decides elections is, IMO easily swayed and doesn't look too deeply into issues. This is obviously problematic, but if rising gas prices (engineered by the Saudis and OPEC) don't sabotage the recovery, it's going to hinge on how that 20% perceive Iraq.
And I've said it many times before, but don't forget Dubya is a poker player

By reputation, the President was a very avid and skillful poker player when he was an MBA student. One of the secrets of a successful poker player is to encourage your opponent to bet a lot of chips on a losing hand. This is a pattern of behavior one sees repeatedly in George W. Bush’s political career. He is not one to loudly proclaim his strengths at the beginning of a campaign. Instead, he bides his time, does not respond forcefully, a least at first, to critiques from his enemies, no matter how loud and annoying they get. If anything, this apparent passivity only goads them into making their case more emphatically.

Don't go wobbly on us now, tmf!

This is obscene - according to BBC, Sky and CNN, the Marines who were/are in Fallujah were working on the basis of "do not fire unless fired upon".

#157 Thanks- I needed that! See also Taheri's article in NRO which I think sums the situation nicely.

The problem is that 20%- most of whom can be assumed to have supported the war initially, but represent the constant wavering in the polls when things go poorly ala last week.

These are the folks at whom the terrorists and left leaning media aim and their methods are clearly effective.

I find it truly dispicable that there are so many people who would support a policy until things go bad. I wouldn't want someone like that as a friend let alone a fellow voter.

Thats just plain old spinelessness and the polls show there are a lot of people fallling into that catagory.

#158 Colt

I still think this is a cat and mouse game. My guess is that the Marines are working towards a specific opportunity. Time is not on the side of the bad guys in Fallujah.
The down side is that perceived weakness or passivity encourages the terrorists.
Just got to wait it out.

scaramouche:
Did you hear Cross Country Check-up yesterday? I was out for most of the time and only caught a little bit around 4:15 - 4:30 as I was driving home. I heard the end of an excellent call by a woman who had been involved in Hillel when she was a student at Carleton about 20 (?) years ago, and then another one from a woman in BC who complained she was described as a self-hating Jew and then talked about how Israel is denying food aid to Gazans [no, it's saying empty containers can't leave Gaza b/c that's how the Ashdod bombers got in].

I'm sure there was lots of Israel-bashing, but what was the overall tone/balance?

@ 87 patrickafir - I must make a correction. The right traditionally has had an isolationist approach to foreign affairs.

@ evariste -- it is a tougher fight than you realize. I get grief for going to bed and trying to get some sleep :) - a quote from above

Is there something you would like to discuss? Or do you just want to put us down and leave?

@ zorkmidden johnson - if you think the suggested book might be a good read, I rec - Daniel Goldhagen's - A Moral Reckoning.

@ zulubaby - is that up to your standards now? I used name PLUS #s instead of merely the #?? :):) I would love to see more about our intanglement with the "Fraudis" -- that term got me laughing

and yes, this is a hit and run. Sometimes there really is work to do.

#156 DG

Using the IP whois at [Link: www.samspade.org...] returns an AT&T server in Parsippany, NJ.

That's a long way from Fallujah.

#155 tmf

You think they are pulling another Spain - this time on the US voters?

Well... the quagmire is at the voting stations.

Trumpeter:

Sadr is clearly pulling for regime change here in the u.s., see e.g. his ted kennedyesque vietnam comments. Clearly the media is as well.

However, I think the recent spike in attacks is just pre-handover terrorism aimed at the immediate goal kicking us out of country more so than any specific long term political consequences in the u.s.

hi all
today was the last day of pesach, and even though we keep kosher, not extremely observant, so we walked to the Jerusalem zoo today, just me and the two girls, where we met edens classmate . the Jerusalem zoo was gorgeous , and alot less crowded than during the weekdays of Passover,when it was swamped... it was a gorgeous day, and we had a ball along with mainly young yuppie Israeli couples and their adored little gods and goddesses i.e. , their children) and Arab families, also out with the picnic baskets, baby carriages, etc, . we all stood side by side, admiring the bears, laughing at the lemurs, , picnicking in the shade .. between the Jews and Arabs was almost an almost going out of ones way feeling of courtliness and politeness,lots of laughing with one another, grown -ups pushing the button on the water fountain for the kids , etc even if the kids didn't understand each other exactly.
at one point, the kids and i sat in the little theatre in the Noah's arc section( aircondioned,, yum!) and 4 extremely cute Arab children, 3 girls and a boy aged about (6 to 11) walked in and plopped down next to my girls. suddenly the boy,, big brother,, found a big wormy thing and all the girls, the Arab girls and my girls all screeched, as he showed them, very gleefully playing the obnoxious boy , which you can find in any culture.. all the kids started laughing all at once and saying " ewww' in Arabic and Hebrew. lots of horrified glees and friendliness shown form this kid to that .
it was kids being kids. they loved it
the worm was escorted outside and stuck under a bush.
its moments like this, when we all kind of melt into a big puddle of just people, cream not types of people, that makes all the nastiness, pain, tragedy, and frustration we have here seem a little less awful.

# 135

Hey dicks !...Your Jewish and I'm the next messiah too ! Hitler forgot to bake you for another couple of hours ! ...and why don't you have an office in Damascus if your friends are so chumsy with your thinking ? Don't call on the rest of us when they come and take you away !

yay for lizzy :-) you made a whole week of annoyance vanish for a couple of minutes for me. glad all is well.