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Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 5:31:25 pm PDT

A cousin of Rachel Corrie, Brij Patnaik, has a piece in OpinionJournal defending Rachel from what he obviously feels are unwarranted slurs by James Taranto and Ruhama Shattan. I was waiting for Mr. Taranto to respond before noting this, since Patnaik’s article is harshly critical of him: An Unfitting ‘Tribute’.

Ms. Shattan suggests that Rachel’s criticisms of U.S. government policy may have provided “help in fanning the flames of the violent anti-American sentiment [that] led to the October 2003 bombing of the Fulbright delegation to Gaza.” Drawing a connection between an individual’s criticism of government policy and the murder of government officials is disingenuous; moreover, such a connection consciously misrepresents the fact that Rachel repeatedly and unequivocally condemned the violent acts of both Palestinians and Israelis. Ms. Shattan offers a speciously complicated analysis that tries to attribute incitement to violence to a person committed to a peaceful means of resolving the conflict.

...

Is this hateful and illogical article something that the editor of OpinionJournal.com can call “clearheaded”? Is there a reason for the interruption of human compassion that allows Mr. Taranto and Ms. Shattan to ironically label their words “tributes” to the life of an American citizen, a person whom they didn’t know and whose actions they refuse to try to understand?

Both writings exemplify the kind of thoughtless, rhetorical response that saturates discourse on the question of Israel/Palestine. This kind of response too often demonstrates a deceitful willingness to wield terms like “terror,” “realism” and “Islamic militancy” as if these words could be used as evidence to justify occupation of territory and violence toward people. It is this kind of response that is sadly and frighteningly all too susceptible to forgetting the humanity of those involved.

James Taranto responds in today’s Best of the Web.

In his article, Patnaik doesn’t dispute Shattan’s account of Corrie’s actions; he merely describes those actions with the innocuous-sounding phrase criticism of government policy. This is a common trope on the far left: describing all manner of anti-American expression as “criticism” or “dissent” and saying or implying that those who merely criticize such expression are guilty of trying to stifle free expression.

A few paragraphs later, though, Patnaik offers this observation:

The day following the publication of Ms. Shattan’s piece in the Jerusalem Post, the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv wrote a response calling it “disgusting”, “inexcusable” and “unbefitting any serious newspaper.”

The question why Mr. Taranto chose to republish the piece awaits an answer. Is he really so dismissive of his own government’s opinion?

The answer, in this case at least, is yes. We had read the letter, from Paul Patin, the embassy’s press attaché, two weeks before we republished Shattan’s piece, and we found it unpersuasive.

It’s a free country, of course, and those who disagree are entitled to their opinion. But it strikes us as a bit odd that Patnaik would defend his cousin’s burning the American flag and accusing the president of war crimes as mere “criticism of government policy,” then turn around and criticize us for making editorial decisions heedless of the objections of a government spokesman.

I won’t post the photographs of Rachel burning the American flag again; I think we’ve seen them enough. But I do have one more point to add. Mr. Patnaik writes:

...such a connection consciously misrepresents the fact that Rachel repeatedly and unequivocally condemned the violent acts of both Palestinians and Israelis.

But Rachel is the only author listed on this page of messages from ISM members, written shortly before her death. And the sentiment expressed here is anything but balanced; the title of the page is “Courage and More Martyrs:”

In retaliation for this murderous attack, fighters last night offered their life for their friend and killed two of the illegal occupying force, and injuring another. Two young fighters were killed and I don’t yet know the extent of other injuries. I would tell you that, from my bedroom window, I saw the night sky in the area lit up like it was day for more than an hour with brilliant flares and I saw the trail of rockets missiles and machine-guns bullets fired from the US gunship helicopters - so inappropriately named “Apache’ - and heard the rapid clatter of the guns of the ships of death riding the starry sky like alien invaders from another world. I heard the explosions of many shells and, I am not sure, but I think a bomb from a US F-16 warplane - the sky was full of them. There was protracted gun-fire for more than an hour. So these young guys really fought it out.

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While the huge force of Israelis have every technical aid invented by the US war machine, the few young fighters have NOTHING BUT THEIR WEAPON (and this not the most modern) - no helmet, bullet proof vest, radio contact or other protection. No back-up, no plane, helicopter, tank, APC, searchlight, dogs, flares, ambulance or refuge - put all the Israeli/American propaganda aside for a few minutes and try to imagine, please, the courage it requires to do what these young fighters do, knowing that the odds are against escape and that, every time they do succeed in evading death, the odds against a further survival are shortened. Even if the operation is a success the price is always high.

And every time the Israeli Command terrorises Nablus as today with tanks and Jeeps and APC’s bristling with death at every junction within the city, operating a lock-down even worse than before (how can this be possible), more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

UPDATE: Some people in our comments are questioning whether the words above were written by Rachel Corrie; the page at Scoop where the quote appears contains only Rachel’s name (as I wrote above), but a reader named “Hipocrite [sic]” wants us to know that the ISM web site and the Palestine Chronicle (both of which are nothing more than propaganda organs for the PLO) attribute the quote to Welsh moonbat Anne Gwynne.

Whether Corrie wrote those words or not, there’s no denying that they express the politics and philosophy of the PLO-funded International Solidarity Movement. You don’t have to go far to find similar things written by many other members.

UPDATE: And if you have any doubt about Rachel Corrie’s support for Palestinian violence, see: Rachel Corrie’s Last Letter Home. (Hat tip: Hhar.)

“If any of us had our lives and welfare completely strangled, lived with children in a shrinking place where we knew, because of previous experience, that soldiers and tanks and bulldozers could come for us at any moment and destroy all the greenhouses that we had been cultivating for however long, and did this while some of us were beaten and held captive with 149 other people for several hours - do you think we might try to use somewhat violent means to protect whatever fragments remained? I think about this especially when I see orchards and greenhouses and fruit trees destroyed - just years of care and cultivation. I think about you and how long it takes to make things grow and what a labour of love it is. I really think, in a similar situation, most people would defend themselves as best they could. I think Uncle Craig would. I think probably Grandma would. I think I would. You asked me about non-violent resistance.”

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1 Paladin  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:34:01pm

Sheesh! I hope she doesn't turn into another Generalissimo Francisco Franco--ala Saturday Night Live.

2 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:34:31pm

Per St. Pancake:

more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

Words. Fail. Me.

3 CCR  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:37:36pm
more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

So, what's the connection between defending the honour of palestine and fighting for the freedom of the Amish?

4 Alouette  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:39:14pm
fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

That is what my son is doing as a soldier in the IDF.

5 Mar  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:39:22pm

Rachel was even more of a nutter than I thought she was.

6 FH  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:39:53pm

#2

You nailed it. The girl was a grade A fool, no doubt about it. Her stupidity is mind-blowing to me. I am not glad that she died at all. (looking for a but, wheren't you? Sorry, I am not a member of the LLL, you will get none of that from me!). It is a pity that she never had the chance to realize her mistake in this life. Of course, she could be one of the those who will never admit that they are wrong, no matter how much evidence is presented to here.

7 FH  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:41:06pm

#4

I will second that. Anyone else that I could think of would have pushed the Palis out of Gaza and the West Bank and reduced their neighbors to rubble. Only Israel has ever demonstrated that kind of restraint when faced with genocide.

8 Baltic Blog  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:43:57pm

Charles,

Your posts on Corrie have been one of the most illuminating things you've published on your blog for a recovered idiototarian. I hope you keep it up.

BTW, you are being discussed heavily on the Hugh Hewitt show.

9 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:44:13pm

#6 FH

Agreed on the "St. Rachel the Moron" bit.

I will be the first to admit that I roundly mocked her death. No one should be judged solely on the stupid things they do and believe in their late teens and early 20's (Lord knows I have a long and inglorious history of LLL behavior myself) but the more I find out about exactly where in Rafah she died, what she was protecting, I have a really hard time swallowing the 'innocent school girl dies tragic death' meme

10 abc  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:44:42pm

She kind of reminds me of Jane Fonda.

Back in the 60's there was never a dozer around when you needed one.

11 Zack  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:48:19pm
(Taranto and Shattan's) writings exemplify the kind of thoughtless, rhetorical response that saturates discourse on the question of Israel/Palestine. This kind of response too often demonstrates a deceitful willingness to wield terms like “terror,” “realism” and “Islamic militancy” as if these words could be used as evidence to justify occupation of territory and violence toward people.

Merely labelling land "occupied" does not make it so. The deceitful willingness to use that blatantly false term as evidence to justify the wholesale slaughter of innocent Israelis is pure demonism. Mr. Patnaik should feel free to join his cousin and her genocide-by-proxy friends back in the fiery depths of hell, where their thoughts, words, and actions originate.

12 jim  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:50:20pm
"more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth."

That is laughable and deluded. Seriously, how could anyone believe the Palestinians are "the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth." Poor thing was seriously misguided. She almost sounds brainwashed. I wonder if there is something analogous to Stockholm Syndrome going on. She appears blind to some very obvious and well-documented pathologies in Palestinian society and culture.

13 ted  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:53:56pm

"On March 16, 2004, one year after the death of my cousin Rachel Corrie, James Taranto, in his Best of the Web Today column, called Rachel's nonviolent efforts to protest the Israeli military's actions in the occupied Palestinian territories an encouragement of a "culture of hate." Mr. Taranto referred to an op-ed piece by Ruhama Shattan, originally published in the Jerusalem Post and reprinted on this Web site, as a "clearheaded tribute" to Rachel.

Ms. Shattan's commentary exemplifies the worst kind of discourse on the issue of Israel/Palestine: the kind that seeks to manipulate and twist the logic of every event--every suicide bombing and Israeli military attack--to fit into a never-questioned ideological viewpoint. Ms. Shattan begins by thanking "Rachel Corrie for the explosives that flow freely from Egypt to Gaza, via the smuggling tunnels under the Gaza homes that she died defending." Rachel was killed by an Israeli bulldozer which intended to destroy the home of a Palestinian civilian, an action outlawed under the Fourth Geneva Convention. There were no tunnels under the house, nor any reason to expect there would be"

14 Belize042  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:55:20pm
...the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

While the previous thread on the Air America check that bounced is funny, that is hilarious.

15 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:55:52pm

Another Pancake festival? This time with her own sticky slurrpy homemade morally equivilent syrup.

16 ted  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:56:48pm

." Rachel was killed by an Israeli bulldozer which intended to destroy the home of a Palestinian civilian, an action outlawed under the Fourth Geneva Convention">>>> Geneva Convention ? Isreal not respecting the Geneva Convention ? He's kidding,right ?

17 Mar  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:57:42pm

I am always curious as to why none of the ISM group never drag their sorry arses to Tibet.

18 abc  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:57:55pm

12

She appears blind to some very obvious and well-documented pathologies in Palestinian society and culture.

She has the same thing the leftists have regarding socialism.

They can't see dead bodies.

And when they count, it's goes something like, 1,2,3, big. Then they ignore everything else. Especially when looking at dead bodies.


It's moral relativism combined with a black soul. And stupidity.

19 Belize042  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:58:44pm

Dear diary,

Today I met some of the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth. It was divine.

Later, they blew up a crowded pizza parlor.

Will write more later,

R.C.

20 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 3:59:29pm

#17 Mar

Because they wouldn't have the opportunity to act as agitprop stooges. No fun there, you see.

The Chi-Coms would also unceremoniously shoot them in the back of the head and bury them in shallow graves.

21 ted  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:00:48pm

"There were no tunnels under the house, nor any reason to expect there would be"... "nor any reason to expect there would be"? Now why would anyone suspect palestinians dig tunnels? To smuggle weapons ? C'mon,dont be an idiot...

22 EE  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:02:03pm

Clearly Rachel Corrie admired the terrorists, and especially what she considered their constantly coming close to their own deaths. That's what she wrote about. And perhaps she envied them their lives.

That the terrorists murdered innocent people never seems to have entered into her thinking.

By immersing herself in an environment the oozed the death-cult mentality, it may have affected her own way of thinking.

Her brush with a bulldozer was a suicide, since she had that death-cult mentality.

It was her way of joining the Islamikazi splodeydope terrorists. The fate of the victims massacred by the Islamikazi splodeydope terrorists was not something that she could think of, let alone empathize with. In other words, her thinking became close to that of the terrorists.

23 SoCalJustice  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:07:41pm

(#12) jim writes:

Seriously, how could anyone believe the Palestinians are "the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth."

One has to be either really, really stupid or just hate Jews a lot.

24 Pork Eating Whisky Drinker  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:13:23pm

#6 FH..."I am not glad that she died at all..."

I am.

Thank G-d that hatefull bitch never had the chance to breed any of her progeny on the face of this earth.

Good riddance.

Gone and (hopefully) soon forgotten.

Usefull fool.

25 alias  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:14:17pm

note to self:

Watch 'Killdozer' before protesting in front of large earth-moving equipment.

26 gershom  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:15:40pm

I consider myself an open-minded person. I support the establishment of a Palestinian state -- once those savages construct something remotely resembling a civilized society.

Rachel Corrie was a dumb kid. She didn't deserve to die, but she did. She died trying to protect terrorists.

I feel badly for her family because they lost a loved one. But her stupidity doesn't excuse the grotesque spectacle of a bunch of self-absorbed of foreign rich kids rebelling against their parents and government by taking the side of suicidal mass-murders. And that's exactly what the ISM is. Their work promotes the murder of Israeli civilians.

Chances are that when Corrie grew up, she would have moderated her views. Her stupidity cost her her life. Too bad for her - she died young and stupid while trying to protect something profoundly evil. Rachel Corrie, then, can rot in hell.

27 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:19:21pm

#25

LOL

Trivia question: Who wrote the script for "Killdozer"?

28 steve miller  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:21:04pm

Rachel Corrie tried to use her "I dare you!" stare against a bulldozer, and lost.

Darwin Awards time, I say.

29 ActivistChat.com  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:23:24pm

Charles, dunno if you or any other "folks" have seen this article but perhaps you would like to give it a read:

[Link: activistchat.com...]

Best,
ActivistChat.com

30 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:25:58pm

" "folks" "?

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

31 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:26:13pm

Call me a skeptic, but I'm not convinced that a bulldozer killed Rachel Corrie.

There were no pictures of this alleged event, only Paleostinian "eye-witnesses" to the "brutal murder" by machine. We all know already that the Palis will go to any length to publicize their cause in such a way as to make Israel look bad (see "Jenin massacre"), so why is it presumed that she died in an unfortunate bulldozer accident, which the left insists was a cold-blooded murder?

There are many inconsistencies in the stories told about her death, and many lies. One of those was that the Israelis were bulldozing houses. They didn't bulldoze a single house that day.

If you look at the photos that have been published of the incident, nothing at all looks real. It looks entirely staged to me. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this misguided Evergreen college ideologue wasn't murdered and then planted for photo ops.

Even the accounts of her arriving and then dying at a Pali hospital are utter unbelievable. In short, there is no way to sustantiate the truth or falsity of the claims, but we certainly know that she has become a poster child and martyr for the terror enablers, and those within and without these shores that hate America for what we represent.

Corrie was a footnote in history. In a couple hundred years or less, no one will remember her name.

So sad for such a young person, but swimming with sharks was never an activity that promoted longevity in this world.

32 ActivistChat.com  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:30:34pm

Uhh.. no hidden intentions in the use of "folks" -- ;)

33 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:32:33pm

#29 ActivistChat.com

Re: Folks...

The appropriate nomenclature is 'minions'

Thank you.

;-)

Love your site...keep up the good work!

34 ActivistChat.com  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:39:35pm

Thanks Jaffar - ok, minions - you win ;) Yah, so some patriotic Americans like Michael Rubin are starting to open up the hand more publicly about the British and their intentions in Iraq and their effort to maintain the status quo with regards to their lovely but buddies the Mullahs. What do you all think about that? --

35 Mar  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:40:27pm

Jaffar

one can't help but think the ISM supports the real occupation of Tibet by Communist China. I think the main reason of their support of the Pals is the fact that Israel is a Captialist Western nation. Throw this in with some latent anti-Semitism and we have a recipe for brainwashing.

I've been told that Evergreen, Rachel's school, is a hotbed of far left thought and makes Berkley seem Conservative.

36 ted  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:42:42pm

"U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan criticized President Bush on Wednesday for ignoring the Palestinians' wishes in implicitly recognizing Israel's claim to some West Bank settlements.">>>>"ignoring the Palestinians' wishes" ?>>>God forbid, we dont want to do that,they might get offended !

37 teacake  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:43:12pm

one should avoid operating near heavy machinery when high on hate.

38 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:44:35pm

#35 Mar

one can't help but think the ISM supports the real occupation of Tibet by Communist China.

It's certainly not high on their list of 2 minute hates, given that China is a) a non-Western nation and b) officially Communist.

But China has moved beyond the decayed Communism of the Mao and Deng eras, and a toxic brew of nationalism and authoritarianism is the order of the day. It's not necessarily that they support the occupation of Tibet, it's just the fact that the occupation doesn't follow thier template for a 'bad occupation'...and they are unable to compute.

39 jimmytheclaw  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:44:38pm

"FLAT AS A PANCAKE"

sgt Shultz

40 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:45:17pm
...more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth...

Right. A whole nation of little Gandhis. Who knew?

41 Otter  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:48:24pm

I kept a straight face until I got to "surely".

"[S]urely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth." Surely! Who could possibly conceive otherwise?

42 ted  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:48:57pm

#31...really grumpy big dog Johnson...You bring up a very good point...most of the photos with Corrie and the 'dozer were in fact fabricated by the ISM...They were confronted about this fakejob,but naturally denied it.

43 Mr. Pulpo  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:49:52pm

Anybody seen Nathan East?

44 Mar  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:51:24pm

Kofi can get bent. UN Resolution 242 doesn't call for Israel to return all of the territories. Lord Caradon was clear that " It would have been wrong to demand thart Israel return to its positions of June 4 1967, because these positions were undesiravle and artificial."

45 riverofpearls  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:52:09pm

Wall Street Journal

DOROTHY RABINOWITZ'S MEDIA LOG

The 9/11 Widows

Americans are beginning to tire of them.
Finally someone is saying what needs saying.
I hope this link works.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

46 DB  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:53:21pm

#43 Mr. Pulpo,

Yes I've seen him. I saw him with Fourplay about 10 years ago at Humphrey's Half Moon Inn, San Diego.

He's one of the best bass players around IMHO.

47 Mississauga Matt  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 4:57:09pm

Corrie supported terrorism. I'm glad she's gone. End of story.

48 westtexasjew  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:05:10pm

Oy vey.

Can I please bulldoze that b**ch again?

49 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:10:33pm

#42 ted

I see that you are a fellow non-believer in The Legend of Rachel Corrie™.

It took a couple of weeks for the ISM people and the other so-called eye-witnesses to get their stories straight on that one. Eventually the sheer volume of propaganda noise drowned all hopes of getting to the truth surrounding her death.

I personally think that the Palis just considered her a useful idiot, no more, no less.

50 Tom the lurker  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:18:29pm

#35

I've been told that Evergreen, Rachel's school, is a hotbed of far left thought and makes Berkley seem Conservative.

You were told correctly. It is. Most of the city where Evergreen is located, Olympia,, is a hotbed of the LLL. They are the ones who brainwashed St. Pancake and that "university" is at least partially responsible for her death.

51 Delta Burka  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:19:10pm

Kinda like herpes. She just won't go away.

52 teacake  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:22:08pm

#38 - ever wonder if perhaps China is funding the jihadi's? Quietly waiting for the right moment to assert herself and take it all after the terror tatics bring the world to its knees.

53 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:24:00pm

"..Gentle, generous, peaceful .."??

You'd think she was living with the Hobbits of the Shire!

54 chabaweb  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:28:41pm

I'm going to throw up...

55 Grail  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:29:25pm

@ Dar ul Harbarian - I believe (after googling) this is correct - Killdozer ABC Suspense Movie, (televison movie, US, 1974),

[Link: us.imdb.com...]

Writing credits
Ed MacKillop
Theodore Sturgeon - original story

and it is availabe for purchase

[Link: www.5minutesonline.com...]

56 Paul  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:30:22pm

#31

If Rachel Corrie were still alive she'd probably be in some obscure village singing "Kumbayah" to bemused Palestinian children (either that or teaching them proper flag burning techniques). Dead, however, she has come a Leftist superstar, jush like Mumia or Che. There are Rachel websites, Rachel candle vigils, Rachel memorials at Unitarian churches, Rachel fund raising campaigns by ISM and probably Rachel T-shirts. I think you're right, Rachel's death may have been "arranged" for the propaganda windfall that would be sure to follow. She was young, foolish and expendable.

57 Zack  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:35:53pm

ISMers are likely on the side of China, since they clearly favor the extermination of indigenous people. Unless you buy the Pali version that Jews manifested out of thin air in Eastern Europe, Israel is the only possible Jewish homeland. Ditto Tibet and Tibetans.

58 Julio Jurenito  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:40:49pm

Please, why does everyone have to say: "She didn't deserve to die..." She certainly did. She would have spared everyone a lot of trouble if she were not even born.

Visit any jail's waiting room and you will meet hundreds of exacly the same violence groupies, waiting to see their boyfriends.

59 RedBull Junkie  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 5:45:12pm
Both writings exemplify the kind of thoughtless, rhetorical response that saturates discourse on the question of Israel/Palestine. This kind of response too often demonstrates a deceitful willingness to wield terms like "terror," "realism" and "Islamic militancy" as if these words could be used as evidence to justify occupation of territory and violence toward people. It is this kind of response that is sadly and frighteningly all too susceptible to forgetting the humanity of those involved.

So the word 'terror' does not justify violence toward people, but the word 'occupation' does. Heh.

RBJ

60 Dianna  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:02:20pm

I'm halfway embarrassed to admit this, but after watching the video where various Corrie supporters invade the Caterpillar dealership in San Leandro (where, by the way, I used to live), and hearing their chant, I came up with:

Rachel Corrie took a stand,
turned her into strawberry jam...

I really hate having a sick mind, sometimes.

61 mollyann  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:04:28pm

Disclaimer: I am not "happy" that St. Pancake died. I'm not sad about it either, of course, and believe that she was wholly responsible for her own death. Mostly? I'd like the whole story to go far, far away.

And every time the Israeli Command terrorises Nablus as today with tanks and Jeeps and APC’s bristling with death at every junction within the city, operating a lock-down even worse than before (how can this be possible), more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

Okay, we already knew she was stupid, but does this quote strike anyone else as incredibly condescending?

62 aaron's rantblog  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:14:29pm

Some LGF/Rantblogger synchronicity got a new wearable present from EBAY today.

Photoshop fun. Got syrup and some diesel?

63 Dianna  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:14:53pm

mollyann -

What struck me most about her writing is how juvenile and overblown it was. I kept finding my fingers itching for the red pencil, and remembering Frances Mayes reminding us not to be "sentimental", in the sense of unearned emotion.

Dreadful writing, overblown descriptions, and yes, clear indications that she found people with guns exciting. All the signs of juvenalia.

She was sentimental, and immature. I'm sorry for her family, there is no worse loss than a child. But Lord, was she dumb

64 Ger  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:17:38pm

Let's go shopping!!!

65 Haiku  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 6:45:37pm

I believe Rachel Corrie was psychotic to say the least. How else does that explain her comment about the "Palestinians" being the most generous, gentle peaceful people on Earth?" I almost fell off my chair when I read that. Only a sicko would think a group of people who raised their children to worship cold-blooded murderers was "peaceful."
Does anyone remember a diary entry by Rachel calling a terrorist bus bombing "a beautiful act of resistance?" This was the bombing that killed the American girl Abigail Litle. I remember I read that and another entry that told of Rachel defending the terrorism of the "Palestinians" to her mother. If anybody has a link to those diary entries please post them.
I feel sorry for her family but I'm sick and tired of them making her look like a peace activist which couldn't be further from the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if they are getting paid off by the Plo.

66 Pickle  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 7:04:40pm

I don't even feel sorry for her family. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and anyway, various family members have devoted a lot of time to trying to distort the facts surrounding her death in an attempt to turn her into some sort of bizarre martyr of leftism.

67 D-Berg  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 7:28:49pm

#2,

St. Rachel's melodramatic rhetoric simply falls flat...

68 Julia the Horrible  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 7:35:10pm

I think we've heard enough of Rachel Corrie, cant we let the bulldozer bury her once and for all?

69 Judge Dredd  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 7:38:09pm

I can't even feel sorry for her family. They let her not only support terrorism, but defend and spread it to children as well.
I can see her letter home. Much like her diary I bet; "Hi mom! Just got back from helping my wonderful paleosimian friends out with a new project. Gotta run because this Jew brain matter is getting sticky."

Sure her name was Rachel and not Eva Braun?

She's perfect for the lib/dims to hang on to, though. Especially since there's no confirmation on exactly what happened.

You keep posting those photos, son! Just like 9/11. Sure it hurts, but "out of sight, out of mind" and no one should ever be allowed to forget what monsters there are out there!

I AM THE LAW!!

70 big L  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 8:00:29pm

be interesting to see if James Taranto gets attacked
big-time after appearing on "Best of the Web" like Charles has been.

71 Mojo Jojo  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 8:31:19pm

More fun stuff: Who paid for their shares of Cat?


Caterpillar shareholders reject Israel resolution
Reuters, 04.14.04, 6:02 PM ET


CHICAGO, April 14 (Reuters) - Caterpillar Inc. (nyse: CAT - news - people) shareholders on Wednesday defeated a proposal that would have asked the company to re-evaluate selling bulldozers to the Israeli army.

About half a dozen people spoke at the company's normally subdued annual meeting in support of the resolution, which was prompted by the use of Caterpillar machinery to raze Palestinian homes.


Forbes

72 hershel  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 8:36:40pm

Yes, what could be more "gentle, generous, and peaceful" than sending a semi-retarded teenage kid out as a suicide bomber?

73 Raiders got Sapp  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 9:16:27pm

"more Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth."


hahahahahahahahaha

74 soy_yanqui  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 10:05:37pm

Raiders got Sapp...maybe some penicillin could clear that up.

How bizarre. This week, I went to the International house of pancakes for the first time in YEARS, blissfully unuaware it was St Rachel of the flapajack's anniversary of martyrdom.

75 NTropy  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 11:30:01pm

Useful.Tool

BTW, her college alma mater has a radio station you can hear using iTunes. Appropriately enough, it's call letters are KAOS.

76 transferthem  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 11:50:09pm

Flat ugly bitch corrie has set a good example. All her admirers should go and plant themselves under the nearest bulldozer and get the pancake look that's so popular among left wing racists nowadays!! Go on gals and guys!! Don't be shy!! head under the catepillar and hope that the rats clean up afterwards before anyone civilised has to remove you to the rubbish tip.

77 transferthem  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 11:53:52pm

And flat ugly bitch corrie's family could do better than follow her example also. A family of flat corries would be a real occasion for celebration in the streets, rifle fire into the air and the giving of cookies to the kids.

78 Barry Crocker  Wed, Apr 14, 2004 11:56:47pm

Maybe I'm just being naive, but how can we be sure that those words really were written by Rachel Corrie?

Especially all the stuff about "honour" and "martyrdom" -it could quite easily have been written by an Arab chauvinist (maybe one of Yasser Arafat's agitprop minions) and attributed to her, perhaps post-humously.

79 Ral  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:07:50am

Oddly I care a lt more about the children she tried her hardest to abuse and fill with hate. It must be hard having a child abuser as a family member but thses sort of rants only seek to excuse her abuse.

80 V the K  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 3:05:31am

What said it all for me was this Reader Response


Rachel Corrie is not new. Rachael has been around since the destructive days of the Sixties when protest politics emerged as a cultural mainstream and enchanting diversion for the radical chic. Rage as legitimate and logic and reason as sacrificial lamb to the ultimate goal.

I witnessed many Rachels during my education at Berkeley where all manner of grievance (including the Palestinians) is given free and unfettered venue. The Rachels are disenfranchised--typically lacking in any solid spiritual grounding of their own, that shelter themselves in a cloak of contrived and adopted causes. Logic and truth be damned--ideology and dogma and most importantly, the goal.

No, the story of Rachel is not noble, its unfortunately pedestrian in American pop culture--the subsector that values radical chic, that disavows normalcy and real spirituality. Lost souls, angry, full of hate and venom, and oddly extremely provincial.

- Richard Stanaro - London

81 Jeff S.  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 3:11:29am

#40 Cato the Elder

Right. A whole nation of little Gandhis. Who knew?

That statement may not be as ironic as you had intended it to be...

Gandhi on Palestine

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and in-human to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home."

82 TMF  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 3:20:08am

#80

Wow. That almost brought me to tears. There's hope for the limeys yet!

Corrie: UFI. (Useful Frickin' Idiot).

Its a shame, actually. I dont revel in her death. Everyone has an ignorant youth- its part of growing up. I once thought socialism made sense and Air Supply was a great band.

But to take it to the extreme like she did... It would be interesting to get a psychological profile of her family dynamics, parents, etc. Im sure it would explain alot.

83 jdwill  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 4:03:48am

I have a new nominee for the Saint Rachel award.

This clown has been in Fallujah buying into the propaganda and helping spread it:

There is no weapon in his hand. Only when we arrive, his sons come out, crying, shouting. He was unarmed, they scream. He was unarmed. He just went out the gate and they shot him. None of them have dared come out since. No one had dared come to get his body, horrified, terrified, forced to violate the traditions of treating the body immediately. They couldn’t have known we were coming so it’s inconceivable that anyone came out and retrieved a weapon but left the body.

When I say clown, I mean it literally, check out the link on Jo in the article.

84 Sergio  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 4:11:24am

How about the Fidel Castro Whitewash?

Check out this excerpt from an interview with Oliver Stone:

---
ALB: Is there a show-trial element here?

OS: Yeah. I thought that was funny, I did—the prosecutor and Fidel admonishing them, to make sure they worked hard. There was that paternalism. I mean "father knows best," as opposed to totalitarianism. It's paternalism, that's what I meant. It's a Latin thing.

ALB: So after 60 hours with Castro, what do you make of this man?

OS: I'm totally awed by his ability to survive and maintain a strong moral presence … and we ignore him now at our peril if we start another war with Cuba.

ALB: You say we ignore him at our peril. It seems to me that we're obsessed with him.

OS: No, I think the focus is wrong. Fidel is not the revolution, believe me. Fidel is popular, whatever his enemies say. It's Zapata, remember that movie? He said, "A strong people don't need a strong leader."

ALB: So you think that if he went off the scene the revolution would continue?

OS: If Mr. Bush and his people have the illusion that they're going to walk into an Iraq-type situation, and people are going to throw up their arms and welcome us, [they are] dead wrong. These people are committed. Castro has become a spiritual leader. He will always be a Mao to those people.
---

Totalitarianism: "It's a Latin thing"

And the Fidel is "Mao" line is illuminating too. What does Stone think the Chinese will have to say about Mao once there are free elections in China?

[Link: slate.msn.com...]

85 Michael L  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 4:49:34am

Corrie logic mode:

While the huge force of police officers have every technical aid offered by the Bushitler's fascist police state, a serial killer has NOTHING BUT HIS WEAPON (and this not the most modern -- often he has to shank prostitutes, schoolgirls and hitchhikers with nothing more than a screwdriver or kitchen knife) - no helmet, cruser, attack dog, backup, taser, infra-red scope, or helicopter - put all the FBI profiler propaganda aside for a few moments, please, and try to imagine the courage it takes young men in the prime of life to risk their entire future by raping a teenage girl and stuffing her dismembered corpse under the floorboards, knowing that the odds of capture are high and that they face execution / life in prison if caught. Even if the bloody sex-slaying is a success the price is always high.

/Corrie logic mode

LLLs: got a problem with me comparing Palestinian bus-bombers with serial killers? Dial 1-900-FUCK-PILGER and leave a detailed complaint (all calls cost $13.95 a minute).

86 Stacela2004  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 5:21:03am

So the Palenazis are the most generous and peaceful people on earth huh!? Yeah they're generous when it comes to their bombs! Rachel Corrie really was a sick and deluted ignoramus!! What a worthless jack a$s!

87 V the K  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 5:32:48am
Martyrs are ready to defend the honour of Palestine and fight for the freedom of surely the most gentle, generous and peaceful people on earth.

And when are they leaving for Tibet?

88 NeilVanEerde  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:03:19am

Gentle Generous Peacful?
It is no surprise she would write such tripe.
I mean she had an Evergreen edumication after all.
Ill bet womens studies or some other useful degree ,prepped her for her career as an "Actavist"/Flap Jack.
She was a hatefilled little trollop who tried to put the Crocodile Dundee dingo stare on the Cat Dozer and lost.
Her whole family is a misguided bunch who enabled her mindset .That is the root cause of her early demise.
At a human level I feel bad for her family.
Its sad they dont see the consequence of there part in her world view.
Amazing the moral eqivelence these Idiotarians have with regard to terrorists .T.
They are Useful Idiots.Who need to read history.
>:-)>

89 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:17:38am

The text you attribute to Rachel in the posting is actually the work of Anne Gwynne.

I look forward to the upcoming correction.

90 William Swann  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:30:56am

You guys do realize that the text you're discussing wasn't written by Corrie.

It was apparently written by someone named Anne Gwynne. Check it out.

91 Michael  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:39:08am

Funny thing - I sent a copy of the pictures showing this being burning an American flag to her parents, along with other published pictures showing her engaging in anti-American activities. They never wrote back. Wonder why . . .

92 V the K  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 7:16:03am

I know I'm no iowahawk, but I did Fisk Caterpillar Girl's letter. Here's a shot.

I have been in Palestine for two weeks and one hour now,
And I have completely and totally grasped the entire geo-political and historical context of the entire region.

and I still have very few words to describe what I see.
Thank yew, Evergreen State Remedial English Skills Department.

It is most difficult for me to think about what's going on here when I sit down to write back to the United States.
I try to think, but my head just goes "...duh...duh... duh..."

Nobody in my family has been shot, driving in their car, by a rocket launcher from a tower at the end of a major street in my hometown.
[Unfortunately. -- Ed]

But once you have seen the ocean and lived in a silent place, where water is taken for granted and not stolen in the night by bulldozers
or your beer is stolen in the night by dump trucks, or your milk is stolen in the night by road graders, and your luggage stolen in the night by robots,

I wonder if you can forgive the world for all the years of your childhood spent existing--just existing-- in resistance to the constant stranglehold of your parent's stifling middle class conformity the worlds fourth largest military apparatus

Today as I walked on top of the rubble where homes once stood Egyptian soldiers called to me from the other side of the border: "Go! Go!" because a tank was coming.
Instinctively, I ran toward it.

In addition to the constant presence of tanks along the border and in the western region between Rafah and settlements along the coast, there are more IDF towers here than I can count. A new one went up the other day in the time it took us to do laundry and cross town twice to hang banners. The 1948 camps in the center of the city are Palestinian controlled areas under Oslo. But as far as I can tell there are few-if-any places that are not within the sights of some tower or another.
It's almost like the Israelis expect the Palestinians to attack them or something.

I continue to believe that my home, Olympia, could gain a lot and offer a lot by deciding to make a commitment to Rafah in the form of a sister-community relationship.
That breakthrough should solve the entire Middle East situation.

Thanks for the news I've been getting from friends in the US. I just read a report back from a friend who organized a peace group in Shelton, Washington, and was able to be part of a delegation to the large January 18th protest in Washington DC.
Unfortunately, some of the other members of his "delegation" thought it would be funny to talk him into drinking the bongwater, and he ended up hospitalized for three days.

People here watch the media, and they told me again today that there have been large protests in the United States and "problems for the government" in the UK.
Uh, so that thing I said a few paras ago about having difficulty accessing news of the outside world... um, not really true.

So thanks for allowing me to not feel like a complete polyanna [hitherto unknown to be an advocate of terrorism - Ed] when I tentatively tell people here that many people in the United States do not support the policies of our government, and that we are learning from global examples how to resist.
They've given me a great idea of how to "resist" the Mexican problem in Los Angeles. (Wish I could tell you more, but let's just say the L.A. transit system is due for some "explosive" surprises.)

my love to everyone. my love to my mom. my love to the cult formerly known as local knowledge program. my love to smooch. my love to fg and barnhair and sesamees
and Fleagle and Bingo and Snork and Drooper.

my love to olympia.
Dukakis, who was fabulous in Moonstruck. Tell her to save some Captain Morgan for me. (If she can.)

93 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 7:45:14am

Hipocrite, got back to MY and Tacitus. They miss you.

94 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 7:48:56am
The text you attribute to Rachel in the posting is actually the work of Anne Gwynne.

I just went to check the page and it's signed by

Rachel
95 Marc  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 7:55:20am

After reading Rachel Corrie's words anew, perhaps the bulldozer operator should be investigated again.

He claims he was NOT responsible for Rachel Corrie's death. The question now is, WHY NOT ???

96 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 8:02:20am

baby, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Half way through the page, there's the following line "To Olympia from Rafah Date: February 7, 2003 Author: Rachel Area: Gaza"

That's the break between the Rachel piece and the Gwynne letter.

That's all the breaks you get, though.

97 h0mi  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 8:42:55am

Why do Hipocrite and others (I'm sure you can figure out who) seem to think that this:

But Rachel is the only author listed on this page of messages from ISM members, written shortly before her death. And the sentiment expressed here is anything but balanced; the title of the page is “Courage and More Martyrs:”

is a statement claiming that the quoted screed was written by Rachel?

If the issue is about insinuation, where Charles "insinuated" that this was written by Rachel, the others "insinuated" that Anne Gwynne has nothing to do with the ISM.

98 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 9:05:23am

Hipocrite (#96)

I looked at the page again and I don't see Anne Gwynne's name there, only Rachel's.

99 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 9:41:56am

Yes, zulu, that's when you use the power of the internet to figure out who actually wrote it.

h0mi - You grant the benefit of the doubt to Charles, who you allege was using the words of Anne Gwynne to impeach Rachel Corie, but ascribe the worst motives to those who point that out.

No one who has written the words "Anne Gwynne" has ever also written the letters "ISM," untill you did so.

100 V the K  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 9:49:51am

Not sure what the fuss is all about. The passage that is distinctly linked to Rachel makes her look more stupid than evil. The one that may be Rachel Corrie or may be Anne Gwynne makes her (or her) look more evil than stupid. It's primarily an argument over degree, IMHO.

101 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 9:57:16am

Hipocrite, why don't you settle down and explain what you're talking about? I don't see Gwynne's name there so why would I think that those are her words? I do see Rachel's name though ...

102 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 10:35:12am

Anne Gwynne's name is not on the page linked above. It's unclear whether that section was written by Rachel herself -- and that's why I wrote:

Rachel is the only author listed on this page of messages from ISM members...

I deliberately did not attribute the words to Rachel Corrie, because it wasn't clear.

However -- there's nothing misleading about attributing the sentiments expressed in the quote above to ISM members. That's why they're in the Palestinian-funded ISM, after all.

And all you have to do is look at the photos of Corrie burning a mock flag, her face twisted in rage and hate, to know that she shared those sentiments.

103 William Swann  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 10:40:04am

Hmmm. I wonder if we could come to some agreement on what the facts are here.

The quote posted by Charles -- the one commented on and condemned in about 90 or so replies here -- and the link he provides don't match up so well.

Rachel's name (and only her first name) appears for the first time about half-way down the page, in the form of what appears to be an attribution for the material that follows. It says:

To Olympia from Rafah Date: February 7, 2003 Author: Rachel Area: Gaza

The text apparently attributed to this "Rachel" is dramatically different in tone and content from the text above, which has no attribution.

Then we find out that the text above also appears here, and it seems much more definitively attributed to an Anne Gwynne.

I would add that the second link is to the ISM site itself, and that it is dated earlier. It appears to be the original posting of that text.

Can we agree, then, that the text quoted by Charles was probably not written by Rachel Corrie?

104 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 11:25:30am

You'll notice, however, that there is another attribution/signature line at the bottom of the page for Rachel.

It's confusing, and not clear at all that the first section was written by someone else. The ISM web site has that quote, attributed to Anne Gwynne, I agree. But the ISM lies blatantly when it serves their purpose, so I can't take that as definitive proof either.

In any case, as I've already pointed out, because it was unclear I specifically did not attribute that quote to Rachel Corrie.

105 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 12:26:04pm

Yes, because Rachel signed her letter, which was the lower piece on the page.

Now that you know who wrote the first piece, and you know it wasn't Rachel, do we get a clarification?

No. This is rank dishonesty of the first order.

106 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 12:27:56pm

PS:
[Link: new.palestinechronicle.com...]

Hack.

107 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 12:28:47pm
Now that you know who wrote the first piece, and you know it wasn't Rachel, do we get a clarification?

I'm still not sure that it wasn't Rachel who wrote that letter.

108 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 12:33:40pm

So it was Anne Gwynne that wrote it then. It's not clear from the page that Charles linked to but it is clear from the Palestine Chronicle link in #106. Interesting that you're so familiar with their writing, Hipocrite. Are you an ISM member?

109 Hipocrite  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 12:59:45pm

I'll let you in on a little secret, zulu. It's called "google"

See, you type this in that little box next to the word address: "www.google.com" Then you hit the key called enter. A little box pops up, where you can type things in. Type in the following, with the quote marks intact: "In retaliation for this murderous attack, fighters last"

You'll see three links. Those links go to places that use that phrase. Click on the second one.

Your attempt to smear me in with people I don't agree with is noted and refuted for the tripe it is.

I find it interesting that you are so familiar with the writings of Al-Queida, zulubaby. Are you an Al-Queida member?

110 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:00:23pm

1) I don't know that it wasn't Rachel Corrie. You're linking to the web sites of Palestinian propaganda groups, and I do not consider them to be definitive proof of anything; on sites like the Palestine Chronicle, lying is standard fare.

2) There's no need to clarify anything. I did not attribute the quote to Rachel Corrie, because (he wrote for the third time) it was unclear whether she wrote it or not. I wrote that her name was the only name on that page at Scoop, and this is true.

3) The larger point stands that the quote I printed above is absolutely representative of the philosophy and politics of the ISM.

111 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:05:02pm

Wow, Hipocrite, a little touchy there, eh?

Your attempt to smear me in with people I don't agree with is noted and refuted for the tripe it is.

I have no idea who you are and it was an honest question.

112 William Swann  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:05:28pm
In any case, as I've already pointed out, because it was unclear I specifically did not attribute that quote to Rachel Corrie.

I think it's fair to say you were implying those were Rachel's words.

You said, first, that you wouldn't post the photos of Rachel burning the American flag. Then you quoted Mr. Patnaik as saying Rachel was non-violent. Then, by way of rebuttal, you said:

But Rachel is the only author listed on this page of messages from ISM members, written shortly before her death.

I say a reasonable reader would conclude you were suggesting those were Rachel's words. And about 90 or so comments that followed assumed your suggestion to be fact.

Finally, and much more importantly, this was just picked up by the Wall Street Journal's Best of the Web Today page.

They're citing you as follows:

The always astute blogger Charles Johnson notes this passage from an e-mail Corrie wrote relatives on Feb. 10, 2003.

They follow that with the text falsely attributed to Rachel.

The title of their little blurb specifically puts those words in her mouth:

Corrie: 'More Martyrs Are Ready'

It was posted at 4:23 pm today. I wonder if a timely correction would have avoided putting wrong words in a dead girl's mouth in a major American publication.

113 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:13:49pm

William Swann: so you consider the ISM web site and Palestine Chronicle to be legitimate, unquestionable sources?

Again, there's nothing to correct. I did not write that the quote above was written by Rachel Corrie, just noted that her name is the only one on the page with that quote, under a title: "Courage and More Martyrs."

However, I will add a note to mention the assertions by you and "Hipocrite [sic]".

114 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:17:28pm

William Swann, did you contact Scoop about this matter?

115 evariste  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:22:58pm

It appears that Anne Gwynne is the author of the excerpt that appears on the page with only Rachel Corrie's name on it.

116 evariste  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:24:57pm

She's the nightmare granny that's the subject of these two lgf threads.

117 evariste  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 1:25:28pm

Man, talk about johnny-come-lately! LOL

118 Jesse[deleted]  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:22:15pm
119 William Swann  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:24:49pm
William Swann: so you consider the ISM web site and Palestine Chronicle to be legitimate, unquestionable sources?

No. I suppose I think the publication of Anne Gwynne's piece in the Palestine Chronicle makes it more likely she wrote it. I don't see why they'd publish something by Rachel Corrie under a different name. If they were "hiding it" for some reason, why publish?

But I would pose the question this way. What evidence is there that Rachel Corrie wrote that piece? All there is is that original page you linked to. And, as I explained in my first post on this topic, that page doesn't seem to attribute it to her. It has her name half-way down the page, above a piece that apparently was written by her. And it uses the same format for attribution that's used on other ISM pages -- namely, it puts the attribution above the text, and has a "To so-and-so", date, author format.

I also noted the dramatically different tone of Rachel's piece.

In other words, the one place you cite as possibly attributing that piece to her doesn't really seem to do so.

There's no evidence she wrote that -- which makes suggesting she did wrong. I commend you for posting a correction.

120 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:28:23pm

It's very tempting to delete posts like the one above, which are a good illustration of how the left (and particularly the ISM left) deals with the issue of Corrie -- with lies, smears, exaggerations and distortions.

But I'll leave that one in place, even though it now risks being quoted for the next LGF-bashing survey. (Which may have been the reason for it being posted in the first place.)

By the way, Rachel Corrie was no teenager.

121 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:29:41pm

(Referring to post #118, of course.)

122 Jesse[deleted]  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:53:44pm
123 JohninLondon  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 2:57:36pm

Corrie, Gwinne. Both deluded and dangerous fools. Probably despised by the Palis too.

124 Charles  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 3:18:02pm

Oh, brother.

125 zulubaby  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 3:34:26pm
I'm uncomfortable with the level of hatred that she continues to inspire in me

Seek therapy. Idiot.

126 Hhar  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:14:09pm

Oh please. Rachel Corrie was in complete sympathy with Palestinian violence: there is NO question of it. Here:


"If any of us had our lives and welfare completely strangled, lived
with children in a shrinking place where we knew, because of previous
experience, that soldiers and tanks and bulldozers could come for us at
any moment and destroy all the greenhouses that we had been cultivating
for however long, and did this while some of us were beaten and held
captive with 149 other people for several hours - do you think we might
try to use somewhat violent means to protect whatever fragments
remained? I think about this especially when I see orchards and
greenhouses and fruit trees destroyed - just years of care and
cultivation. I think about you and how long it takes to make things grow
and what a labour of love it is. I really think, in a similar situation,
most people would defend themselves as best they could. I think Uncle
Craig would. I think probably Grandma would. I think I would.
You asked me about non-violent resistance."


She was a self-indulgent, deluded, stupid, creepy tool and now she's dead because of it. If I was her father I'd be consumed with guilt. Reality sucks when you don't bring your kids up right.

127 piglet  Thu, Apr 15, 2004 6:37:54pm
After reading Rachel Corrie's words anew, perhaps the bulldozer operator should be investigated again.

He claims he was NOT responsible for Rachel Corrie's death. The question now is, WHY NOT ???

Because she was NOT RUN OVER by a D-9 bulldozer.
Certainly not twice, as the ISM said. If she was (and google the photos yourself) she would have looked like mashed raiseberry jam. She was not smashed, her head and all limbs were still attached. There is a strong possibility she was murdered at the palestinian aid station in order to make her a martyer. She put her self in the path a military vehical destroying tunnels used to provide weapons used for military style attacks an little jewish children.

128 V the K  Fri, Apr 16, 2004 4:47:16am

Perhaps the flag-burning photo should have posted once again after all. It certainly clarifies the issue that even if the words were not Corrie's, there is no doubt she shared the same sentiment.

129 Charles  Fri, Apr 16, 2004 7:04:07am

V the K: yes, I'm beginning to think you're right. The picture is going up...

130 Robb  Fri, Apr 16, 2004 7:14:17am

Charles, I am so sorry for your Hipocrite infestation. You should post that liquid water is wet and watch him contradict it out of habit.

Then bring up hydroencephalitic babies and watch him squeal with glee with thoughts of abortion.

131 Mark Gilbert  Fri, Apr 16, 2004 5:39:10pm

The only thing you posted that was actually written by Corrie seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Palestinian land has in fact been taken by military force - Palestinians have been kept from their homes by force for 50 years, some of them. Their orchards really have been torn up, their houses are routinely destroyed as a form of group punishment or oppression, their water and sewer lines are destroyed by trenching, they are stopped at checkpoints internal to the West Bank, having nothing to do with entering Israel, just to prevent travel inside the West Bank.

Corrie wonders if violent resistance is appropriate in these circumstances. Violent resistance is not the same thing as terrorism or attacks on civilians. Why isn't resistance against an invading military force legitimate?

And, if you wish to criticize Corrie, please do it with her own words, not by association. Is each of you posting here willing to take responsiblity for everything posted here by other people - even the people with whom you have some form of broad agreement? I doubt it.

132 steve miller  Sat, Apr 17, 2004 2:52:27am

Good grief, man, the "Palestinian" land wasn't taken by force. The nation of Israel was attacked, the Israelis defended themselves, and as a result of their counterattack, the Israelis captured more land in the Middle East. These lands are known as Disputed. It's not the "Palestinian's" land.

So get over the moral fatuity about the poor mean Israelis and the righteous, peace-loving "Palestinians. "

How many Israelis have blown up busses full of "Palestinian" kids and grandmothers? 0
How many "Palestinians" have blown up busses full of Jewish grandmothers and kids? Geez, how much time do you have, and do you have enough fingers and toes?

133 Mark Gilbert  Sat, Apr 17, 2004 7:19:37am

"Captured in a counter attack" but "wasn't taken by force"? Can you say explicit contradiction?

Of course it is the Palestinians' land. They live on it, don't they? They have lived on it for generations, haven't they? The basic principal of self-determination says that they have the right to rule themselves, or at least participate in their own governance.

I think the best solution for the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan is a single, multiethnic state. Let them settle their disagreements politically, not through violence. But, Israel wants the land without accepting the people who live on it as citizens. That is bad craziness.

The more fundamental problem here is that it is a bad idea to organize a state along religious lines. It is bad in Iran, it is bad in Israel, and it would be bad in this country. It means that people outside the dominant religion are considered at best second-class and at worst sub-human. It also means that the state tends to tolerate extremism, as long as it is religious extremism. It is hard to win a religious argument against somebody who is more orthodox or devout than yourself, even when they are wrong.

The Israeli cabinet includes a minister (help me out with his name) who openly advocates "transfer", which is a euphemism for the crime against humanity of ethnic cleansing. That this sort of extremism is tolerated demonstrates my point.

Israel talks about security all the time, but the settlements make them less secure, not more secure. The real reason they exist is that they believe that God gave them that land. At least some of them believe that, and the more secular majority goes along with it because they respect the religiosity that underlies the idea.

Oh, and perhaps I should point out that God didn't really give them that land, in case that isn't clear.

134 steve miller  Sun, Apr 18, 2004 7:12:29am

As far as I can tell, the Israelis got some land in the UN mandate. After several wars in which they were attacked, they fought back and captured land. Some of this land they gave back (Sinai), other lands they kept (Gaza, Yesha).

The "Palestinians" have a country - it's Jordan. The Gaza Strip was Egyptian - they can have it back.

After WWII, lots of ethnic Germans were repatriated from their lands where they had been living for generations. No one called it ethnic cleansing. It was simply a way to forestall future demands for re-Germanification.

135 steve miller  Sun, Apr 18, 2004 7:24:05am

BTW, I think it's the Elon plan.


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