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Jermaine Spreads Love in the Gulf

Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 8:28:16 am PDT

Jermaine Jackson, washed-up pop star and brother of accused child molester Michael, is in the Persian Gulf “promoting understanding” between the Muslim world and America. How does this spoiled, pampered product of the Western star-making machine “promote understanding?” By appealing to Muslims’ sense of victimhood, and expressing sympathy for the feelings of the jihadis: Michael Jackson’s Brother Raps U.S. Policy in Iraq.

MANAMA, Bahrain (Reuters) - Pop star Michael Jackson (news)’s brother, Jermaine, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans, said Tuesday that Muslims are “the new Negroes in America.”

Jermaine, a convert to Islam and dressed in white Arab garb, has been speaking about Islam and U.S. “adventures” in Iraq to enthusiastic audiences at Koranic centers and universities in the Gulf Arab state of Bahrain.

“I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration — everywhere,” he said.

Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: “I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

“I don’t think it is right for us to go to someone else’s country and tell them what to do and how to do it,” said Jermaine, who is a guest of the royal court in the pro-Western kingdom, which hosts the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet.

He disapproved of Muslim extremism, which has been on the rise in the wake of the U.S. occupation of Iraq last year.

“I understand their feelings but do not approve of their methods. Islam is a religion of peace. They are wrong,” he said.

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1 RIP Ford  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:29:30am
washed-up pop star and brother of accused child molester Michael, is in the Persian Gulf

That's all I needed to read. What a useless wanker.

2 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:29:43am

Does anyone in the whole entire Jackson family have a functioning brain cell?

3 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:30:51am
Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: “I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

Yeah, I don't buy that "Religion of Peace" bullcrap either.

4 rummyjohn  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:31:05am

I think that family has done enough damage already...

(that being said, I think you guys took the nipple thing waaay too seriously)

5 RIP Ford  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:31:18am

V the K

I was going to say Janette, but then again: (*)(_)
Never mind. I'd say you're right.

6 Mississauga Matt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:32:33am

Boy, with the other side piling up all the losers like JJ as spokesmen, you just know we're right.

OT - France Deports Lyon Islamic Cleric for Defending Wife-Beating

If France is anything like Canada, that dude'll be back in France on the next flight.

7 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:32:48am

It's so funny...the arabs sold the slaves to the traders...he's talking to the ones who have destroyed his village, killed the elders, raped the women, chained everybody and brought them across Africa to the West Coast to wait for the slave traders....

Pathetic.

8 smooth rat  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:34:11am

"Islam is a religion of peace."

Well, if a Jackson family member says it, it must be true.

Maybe Janet can explain that it's all just a "religion malfunction."

9 brianstien  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:34:46am

This would be entertaining, if not for the breathtaking stupidity. Good Lord.

10 eric  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:37:35am

His parents and siblings are Christians. Michael J is a Jehova's Witness, performed a song with the lyrics "kike me, jew me", but lately has sought after Rabbi Shmuel Boteach for spiritual counseling.

They are poster children for adopting the Woody Allen approach of trying different religions to get meaning in life (hanna and her sisters, I think).

11 Jeff  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:37:51am

What does Tito think? I always thought Tito was the true genius in that family. Tito rules.

12 Sta-Puft  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:38:02am

I only listen to Tito.

13 Tim K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:38:48am

All we need is one more "functional illiterate" giving hot-tips to the rest of us on how to live our lives.
What is this morons educational backround?Why would any rational media outlet listen to this former star and then have a difficult identifying Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer or Professor Lewis?
Even seeing anything about Jermaine in the newspaper has more to do with the medias lack of intellual firepower than it does about a washedup Jermaine seeking attention.

14 HotBrownSandwich  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:39:47am

Here's a nice photo.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

15 rummyjohn  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:39:49am

#7 Poitiers-Lepanto

Actually, it was other African tribes that did the raping and pillaging, the Arabs were the middle men, they never had any military actions in Africa (with the exception of Oman, which had an empire in Zanzibar)

16 Son ofa Pig and a Monkey  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:41:00am

If Janet had only worn her burqu like JJ told her to, there wouldn't have been any "problem" with the costume malfunction...

17 Zhombre  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:41:01am

Jermaine is such an idiot it wasn't worth posting, Charles.

18 mustrum  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:41:19am

#13
Josip Broz Tioto

/confused

19 godfrey  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:42:34am

#13

LOL and a lot of youngsters getting started in the "media" business are majoring in... not science, not math, not history, not political science, etc. but -- "Mass Communications" -- SO IT WILL ONLY GET BETTER! LOL

20 Barking Pumpkin  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:43:43am

STFD and STFU.
Do I need to elaborate?

Meanwhile, Chris Rock, in his most recent HBO special, recorded at DAR Constituition Hall in D.C. savaged the entire Jackson family calling Jermaine, "the greasiest (Negro) I've ever seen."

But Rock didn't use the word "Negro".

Hysterically funny rant from Rock. Watch it if you can.

21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:43:47am

I think a guy on Fark put it best yesterday:

OK, now I don't know what to do. If I disagree with our policy on Iraq, that means I going along with Jermaine Jackson. Now I'm thinking, maybe we should bring Wal-Marts to Iraq and just leave when no one is looking.

The LLL must be slowly scratching its head as it tries to decide whether it really wants to be, by default, agreeing with Jermaine. Bill Clinton may be their idol and people like Brad Pitt big name celebrities, but when's the last time Jermaine contributed anything of value to society?

22 mustrum  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:43:59am

Apropos, thanks for the geocities link to Jermaine's Website:

One statement
Somebody pissed in that gene pool, along an yellow streak by the looks of it.

23 Miss Trixie  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:44:35am

Hot Brown Sandwich:

re: Jermain Jackson


"Then, I wondered, why Christian America levels baseless allegations against Muslims?"


How sad that this thought made him gloomy.


Hee hee hee hee!


Whaddamaroooon.

24 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:45:45am

Did you all check out the top pic to the left? Also found here? Um...let me count the ways it is just plain creepy

And you think anyone would like to challenge the Islamo-idiot JJ on his

I understand their feelings but do not approve of their methods.


So JJ you understand the feelings that
*wife beating is acceptable
*slavery of infidels is acceptable
*murder of POW's is acceptable
*rape of infidel females is not really rape

25 Kelly  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:46:54am

Thank you to those of you that participated in slapping down the fashionable liberal 'progressives' on their web site in atlanta.

I found a great cartoon offering new openings for the new Hamas leadership that should really piss off the bigoted progressives.

26 Mississauga Matt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:47:18am

#11 Jeff

LMAO!

27 JeffF  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:48:01am

I knew Jermaine was off his rocker when he said:

My brother is not eccentric.

Okayyy...maybe you want to defend him on the molestation charges, since he is your brother, but not eccentric???
Interview

28 Sean Crowley  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:48:15am

David Cassidy, Dion, Madonna and Brintney Spears are circulating a petition requesting that Jermaine Jackson from now on be referred to as "a never-was-guy-who-used-to-dance-with-his brother-Michael-while-basking-in-the-reflected-tal ent-he-lacked" rather than a "washed up pop star," a title which each of them claims for themselves.

29 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:49:53am

cancel the passport.....quick! anything to help out our 'fiends' who have been having horrible time keeping their slaves domestic help from running away.

30 Pope Insouciance IV  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:51:58am

I think Dennis Kucinich is still in the race for president. Maybe he could name Jermaine as his running mate.

31 Jax  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:54:29am
Pop star Michael Jackson brother, Jermaine, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans

9/11 has already done plenty to promote our understanding of Muslims. That's why we're at war now.

32 smudge  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:54:46am

His brother and his prophet, BOTH pedophiles.

33 ND MN TX  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:55:41am

The only thing that really immediately comes to my mind is just .... f*ck him. What a perfect example of just how dysfunctional a family can be.

34 the warmonger  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:56:11am
Pop star Michael Jackson (news)’s brother, Jermaine, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans, said Tuesday that Muslims are “the new Negroes in America.”

"... and my brother Michael, thanks to several painful operations, is the new White Dude in America."

35 mustrum  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 6:59:10am

#34
That's SISTER Michael.

36 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:00:59am

Um, can we revoke his passport NOW (y'all know, before he tries to come back.) Please?

#28 Sean Crowley - Hey!! Lay off a Dion youse'all!!

He actually (unlike Jermaine, the freak - and in that family that says a LOT) CAN )or at least could) sing. He's a good guy. Not all that bright, but he CAN sing and his heart is and always has been in the right place. He put on some shows for us in RVN at his own expense.

Course, I gotta admit a little prejudice here - met him one fine summer evening (no one else seemed to recognize him!) and we did a little doo wop together - he was VERY tolerant (my guitar playing is only MARGINALLY better than my singing!) of my efforts and we had a really good time.

But what IS it with the Jackson family? Seriously. Michael can DANCE like a MF; the rest of them, near as I can tell, have no talent at all. None.

37 merav  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:01:12am

I hope no one in Christian America levels any "baseless allegations against (the) Muslims" who blew up those two schoolbuses today.

Does Jermaine understand those bombers' feelings, too? Good, then maybe he can explain the peaceful feelings behind such a barbaric act.

Were those kindergarten kids infidels?

And to comments that the buses just got in the way, that's garbage. EVERYONE knows that schoolbuses full of kids on their way to school is part of every morning rush hour.

Try to explain this away, Jermaine.

38 striker  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:01:51am

I guess being a negro once wass not enough for him.

39 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:02:14am

It's really not just the religion of death Cult - it's the religion of the eternal victim.

40 HotBrownSandwich  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:02:23am

#23 Trixie

All of your baseless belong to us!

But who knows what would it look like when Michael Jackson embraces Islam.

Someone's gotta photoshop that.

41 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:02:50am

Any DC/VA/MD folks interested in a meetup for Saturday email me. Thanks.

42 marc  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:02:59am

“I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration — everywhere,” he said.


yeah right, and this coming from a guy who named his kid "Jermajesty", sheesh!!!

43 mollyann  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:03:04am
“I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration — everywhere,” he said.

Yeah, I must have been asleep in history class the day we learned about the 19 black men who flew a commercial jet into a high-rise building.

Also, what the hell is "the Immigration"? Is that like "the Man"?

44 lazytart  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:04:24am

Jermaine, you fool, muslims stone pedophiles. Unless the are prophets or Saudi princes or something...

45 merav  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:04:27am

#34, warmonger,

Hee hee hee, very good one, hee hee hee.

46 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:04:39am

#39 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs

"It's really not just the religion of death Cult - it's the religion of the eternal victim. "

Truly.

47 David Simon  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:05:29am

Interesting how Jermaine is talking about human rights in a country where three of his siblings would probably be imprisoned the minute they set foot on the tarmac.

48 gymnast  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:05:30am

The Arabs always liked the boys in the Jackson 5, the younger the better. Now they can have the opportunity to relate to them all the time. The State Department would be making a great contribution to Arab culture by getting the National Endowment for the Arts to make the Jackson family a permenent cultural contribution to the Arab world. It would also help out a bit with the American culture scene and help to bring court expenses under control in Santa Barbara County.

49 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:05:42am

ps - Charles,

my apologies for posting my #41 multiple times. But you know how these kids are here with their lack of attention to detail, just want to make sure they see it.

oh, did I say that out loud

50 Brian O'Connell  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:05:56am

Also notice this snide aside from Reuters:

He disapproved of Muslim extremism, which has been on the rise in the wake of the U.S. occupation of Iraq last year.

You mean Muslim extremism is higher now than on 9/11? Heavens!

Typical Reuters: Muslims become extremists as a result of US actions, not as a result of anything in their culture or society; that would be judging another culture. They're multiculturalists and so that's forbidden.

51 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:06:15am

#1 RIP Ford - sorry bro, just started reading the entire thread!

But, how can you say: "What a useless wanker. "

I mean, he gave us a thread, no?!!!!

52 Lewis in Fort Orange  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:07:52am

#25 Kelly

Pretty funny.

An LLL on Fark the other day denied that Hamas' goal was genocide. Oh, maybe it's just the destruction of the state of Israel, and making the entire region judenhass (or however you say it). My bad.

At any rate, she sure felt bad for those Hamas freedom fighters, and wasn't terribly happy about Rantisi's very timely death. 'Cause he was fighting for freedom, don'tcha know? Worthy cause and all that.

Blech!

53 nvdoyle  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:10:47am
“I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

Uh, any attributed examples? Anywhere? Anyone? Hello?

“I don’t think it is right for us to go to someone else’s country and tell them what to do and how to do it,”

Soooo...apartheid's all good, then, right? Or only when it's perpetrated by non-whites?

I feel greasy fisking this. This is the perfect stupidity, rendered down into its most basic form.

54 HotBrownSandwich  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:10:54am
I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America.

How insulting to black people, how condescending.

I wonder how many times a day Yusef Jermaine uses the word "Propaganda"? Or "Hypocrisy"?

55 Will  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:14:35am

I don't care what Jermaine says. I can never decide until I have LaToya's take on things, the real clear thinker in the family.

56 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:15:10am

#41 Right Wing Conspirator -"Any DC/VA/MD folks interested in a meetup for Saturday email me. Thanks. "

Good luck with that; seriously. Meeting 25 or so LGF'ers at our last get together here in NYC was FUN!!!
They are all SMARTER than even their posts suggest, and actually laughed (ok, I think some of them were faking it) at a many of my jokes!!

Seriously, I wish you guys the best; actually meeting other LGF'ers face to face was fun. And, although they don't know it (shissssh) when we figured out the check at the end, they paid for it!!!! LOL!!

did I just say THAT, out loud?!!!!!

57 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:15:11am

#28 Sean

OT, but it is embarrassing to watch the WUPS (washed up pop stars) cling by their fingernails to any publicity they can, doing ever more outregeous stunts to garner a few mentions on E! ....

Too bad these people are well-centered enough to move on, count their blessings and give back to the community in one way or another. Maybe that why they are so over-whelming LLL.

58 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:16:07am

argh.... preview preview preview

Should be

Too bad these people are not well-centered enough to move on
59 nvdoyle  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:19:14am

#52 Lewis in Fort Orange

I -think- it's 'judenfrei', but my books aren't readily at hand.

Amazing, the historical coincidences. And -we're- the ones being called Nazis.

60 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:20:59am

#27 Jeff

My brother is not eccentric.

Of course not! Every guy dangles a baby from a hotel balcony, bleaches their skin, has sleep-ins with little boys, wears a surgical mask, has no bridge to his nose from either too many plastic surgeries, (or possible drug abuse), and operates at the emotional level of a 2 year old, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Take a look at the whole Jackson clan, especially the father...there is parenting and family values at bottom of the feeding chain quality.

61 Sean Crowley  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:27:40am

#36 Realwest,

My apologies about Dion. I love his music, but it's been 30 years since his last hit "Abraham, Martin and John," (I think) so I'd argue he's washed up.

In the interest of bi-something or other though, I hereby replace Dion with Pat Benetar.

62 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:27:48am

#57 Darleen - not to inject too serious a note on an otherwise funny thread:

There is a "home" (not the right word, but I'm stealin' time away from work) for "old", er, more mature pop stars - mostly doo-wop and Buddy Holly era folks. Not just one hit wonders, but folks who "made it big" at 17, had their money "invested" (that is, stolen) by managers, DJ's and just about everyone else.
A little, LITTLE recognition for what they did - or, forgive me for this - what they were, boosts their morale (to say nothing of their physical health) enormously.
I don't mind them clinging; I mind the MF Media for giving it the "play" that they do.
Jeez, the fact that I can play a few chords, hit the 7's and 9's more often than not, DOES NOT make me a credible "witness" on current events. It just means I can still keep your toes tapping.
And you know what? That's enough for anyone. Or should be.
Excepting, of course Arabs and Pali's.

63 Plato  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:28:03am

Propaganda?

Even alReuters and alNPR can't hide the atrocities of Islam.

Maybe with his disfunctional upbringing he didn't learn to read and thinks the government controls the media.

Maybe he doesn't know that ABC is easy as 123...

64 Martel-Sobieski  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:33:23am

Ok,

“I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration — everywhere,” he said.

Where's one single example of this alleged "mistreatment Jermaine? C'mon, name me one. Oh I guess you mean those MUSLIMS WHO WERE DRAGGED OUT OF THE BELLY OF THE PLANE IN CHAINS AND FLOGGED. /Oh yeah, those muslims !

This is an insult to all true-blue American Blacks who ever lived. You are going to compare Frederick Douglas, G.W.Carver, Martin Luther King, the Tuskegee Airmen and all the James Browns to MUSLIMS ????

Where is Dave Chappell? Expel Jermaine from the Black team immediately.

What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

No Jermaine, ISLAM is all propaganda and brainwashing. Ever actually READ the f'ing Mein-Koran-mpf ?? /Oh I guess you only heard about it.

Jermaine is a nit-wit and a wanker to the negative-nth degree. Jermaine is an insult to has-beens and wankers. Pee-Wee Herman laughs at Jermaine.

65 hellcat  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:33:37am

Talk show host Phil Hendrie was all over this subject on last nites radio show and it was hilarious!
[Link: www.philhendrieshow.com...]

66 Martel-Sobieski  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:34:56am

#59

Judenrein, it's Juden-rein

67 Frank IBC  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:37:16am

Every time I see his name, I have to remind myself that he's one of the BROTHERS of the Jackson.

I guess I'd be pissed at the world too, if my parents had given me a name like that.

Muslims are “the new Negroes in The Sudan...uh...er...America.”

68 Sword of Gideon  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:38:36am

Didn't David Duke make similar statements when he was an honored guest in the Gulf a couple of years ago (except for the "negro" part, obviously)?

69 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:40:50am

#61 Sean Crowley - I understand. I do. It's like some guy who was an all pro football player at 27, staring at birthday number 50 in the face.
But as long as we agree that "washed up" means only in terms of his ability to musically enterain folks you and I are ok.
Jermaine, OTH and IMHO - wasn't all that entertaining when young and neither he, nor any of his brood was considered "intellectual" at any time.
Why does the media give a f**k about his opinion? I mean they don't ask me MY opinion about world events (and I can still sing off key, and play too slow or too fast just as much as I ever could!).

:>)

70 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:40:57am

Did Papa Jackson gives the kids ice water enemas when they were growing up or what?

71 HULUGU  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:41:23am

query?--what makes jermaine germaine?--is he the only "kneegrow" to convert to islam without going to prison first to confirm his victim status?--well there is karim--but seriously volk--did germaine? git ta edukatchun? did the jackson family graduate from high school?--does the opinion of a has been guitarist count? what does duane eddy think of the prophet? can i get a witness?-somebody query busta rhymes on the iraq invasion--nelly discourses on neo-cons--pictures at 11--i'd say its ludicris but no one asked HIM yet--sheesh

72 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:42:35am

70 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru - Why yes, yes he did!
And he promises to remove the plug ANYDAY NOW!!!!

73 Morgan  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:44:31am

OT

Europe is coming to New York - Muslims are on the attack.

[Link: www.silive.com...]

Four Staten Islanders have been charged with a bias crime for allegedly yelling anti-Semitic slurs at Jewish students in West Brighton, and students said it is just the latest in a spate of anti-Semitic incidents to occur near their school.

The suspects are accused of getting into a dispute with Jewish students near Yeshiva Tiferes Torah on Delafield Avenue at 11:45 a.m. on Monday. Identified by police as Middle-Eastern, the defendants were charged with yelling ethnic slurs at the victims, who were wearing yarmulkes.

The defendants were identified in court records as Mohammed Asif, 21, of Richard Avenue in Richmond Valley; Hooner Baweja, 16, of Madison Avenue in Graniteville; Abhisekh Chakravarty, 17, of the 100 block of Mobile Avenue in New Dorp; and Muhammad Mukhtar, 18, of Lamped Loop in New Springville.

Chakravarty was also accused of throwing bottles at the victims. The bottles did not hit them. He declined to provide details on the incident to the Advance.

The victims, all sophomores at Yeshiva Tiferes Torah who live in Brooklyn, identified themselves to the Advance and provided their versions of the incident.

74 Jakester  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:45:13am

Is there something in the black psyche that causes so many of them to dress up in silly custumes and say really stupid things? Hey, his bro could emigrate to one of those peaceful tolerant countries and get away with child molesting as long as the kids were kuffirs!

75 foreign devil  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:45:43am

I absolutely despise this whole sick corrupt family and I'll tell you a little secret; the furor over Janet's exposure was not over the breast showing--no, no! It was mainly because by that time people were sick to death of the whole Jackson "thing"; the Michael business of messing around with little boys and then the prancing on top of the car after his court date; the aggressive denials by Jermaine and the outrageous display of an overt threat by the Muslim Brotherhood, lining the streets on both sides after Michael's court appearance in an attempt to intimidate onlookers; just the whole Jackson family values thing.

So that when Janet pulled that 'stunt' and then proceeded with all those coy denials and that dead-face apology that it was a 'costume malfunction' and she was oh so sorry, by then everyone had had ENOUGH OF THE JACKSONS and Janet got the blowback.

No one really cares about a breast, even hers. It was the whole Jackson meme that put everyone's backs up.

76 zulubaby  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:46:07am

Michael Jackson's father says he didn't beat son - but did whip him

Joe Jackson told the BBC that he whipped Michael with a switch and a belt but says he never dealt out a beating. 'You beat someone with a stick,' the BBC quoted him as saying in a story on its website on Friday.

Logic isn't one of the Jackson family's strengths.

77 Lapsed Leftist  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:50:34am
“I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration — everywhere,” he said.

Sigh.

OK, let's put aside the question of whether active profiling, if it were happening, would be justified.

Forget the fact that the plan to install separate drinking fountains and bathrooms for Muslims hasn't been made public yet. (Oh wait, there's not one. I forget sometimes that we aren't living in a state of Racist Fascism.)

The government is bending over backward to avoid even the appearance of racial profiling, right? Or am I misremembering all those news stories about Lutheran grandmothers being randomly selected for searches at airports? Or creating false memories of the times that I, a non-Muslim/non-Arab professionally-dressed businessman, have had to remove my shoes at an airport to ensure I wasn't going to blow up a plane?

If I were Black, I would find this comparison offensive. Hell, I find it offensive anyway. The Civil Rights movement was damned important and tried to redress evil wrongs committed against a group of people. Can we as a nation avoid trivializing it? And can the Jacksons please stop playing the race card? (I'm not slamming the race card -- it's a valid component of many discussions -- but the fact the Jacksons play it.)

But the real story isn't that some loser never-was personality (for I refuse to call him a celebrity) is shooting his mouth off for publicity. It's that Reuters reports this as news. Jermaine Jackson doesn't think it's right for us to go into another country and tell them what and how to do things. Fine. We'll ignore how stupid that statement is (and what that implies about how much he cared for his coreligionists under Saddam). Let's look at this article that tells us about his speaking tour but avoids any mention of his credentials to address the topic (besides his conversion and his hatred for America), who paid to have him come speak in Bahrain, the lack of facts to support his claims (I'm just assuming here), and so on. Why was this written with the slant it had and pushed the way it was? I think we can figure it out.

At least Yahoo! news had the good sense to file it under "Entertainment -- Celebrity/Gossip".

78 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:51:33am

#74 Jakester -"something in the black psyche that causes so many of them to dress up in silly custumes and say really stupid things? "

Don't know if you intended it or not, but that is a truly offensive post.

WTF do you mean "black psyche"? Huh? Is that like the gay psyche? (you know, all gay men are totally promiscouous; all black people own caddies but can't pay the rent etc. etc.).

Sorry but you're WAY the fuck over the line on that.

BACK UP.

79 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:51:34am

Big Tornado Outbreak Central and Eastern Oklahoma, western Oklahoma still on for today.


...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT OVER MUCH OF OK...WESTERN AR...AND SOUTHWEST MO...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINS ACROSS THE TN/OH VALLEYS INTO PARTS OF PA/NY...

...SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER EPISODE LIKELY TO DEVELOP THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT ACROSS PARTS OF OK/AR...

CONVERGENCE ALONG WEAK/SUBTLE SURFACE BOUNDARIES ACROSS NORTHERN OK IS EXPECTED TO RESULT IN EXPLOSIVE THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT BY MID AFTERNOON
...SPREADING SOUTHEASTWARD INTO EASTERN OK BY EARLY EVENING. CONVECTIVE MODE THROUGHOUT THIS REGION WILL LIKELY BE SUPERCELLULAR DUE TO STRONG DEEP LAYER VERTICAL SHEAR. VERY LARGE
HAIL WILL BE LIKELY WITH STRONGEST STORMS. GREATEST TORNADO THREAT APPEARS TO EXIST NORTH OF OLD OUTFLOW BOUNDARY WHICH WILL LIKELY EXTEND FROM SOUTH OF END EASTWARD TOWARD FSM/MLC WHERE BACKED LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL BE ENHANCED. ALSO...STRONGER SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL DEVELOP BY LATE AFTERNOON OVER SOUTHEASTERN OK... PROVIDING FAVORABLE LOW LEVEL SHEAR PARAMETERS FOR POTENTIALLY TORNADIC SUPERCELLS. DAMAGING TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE IN BOTH OF THESE AREAS.
STORMS WILL LIKELY MAINTAIN INTENSITY THROUGH THE EVENING AS THEY MOVE/DEVELOP EASTWARD INTO WESTERN AR AND SOUTHWEST MO...WITH AN INCREASING THREAT OF DAMAGING WINDS.

80 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:51:55am

Personally I think comparing Muslims to Negros in the 60's is a poor analogy. A more proper one might be to compare them to the treatment of Japanese Americans following the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It isn't quite so bad yet as there are no Muslim internment camps unless you consider Gitmo one.

81 Kevin Shook  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:56:36am

Ted Koppel worries that the line between entertainment and news are blurring. A step in the right direction would be to stop asking celebreties their opinions. Who cares.

Jermaine Jackson should be ashamed of himself comparing security issues to Jim Crow. His father ought to get the belt out and whip his ass.

82 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:58:49am
So that when Janet pulled that 'stunt' and then proceeded with all those coy denials and that dead-face apology that it was a 'costume malfunction' and she was oh so sorry, by then everyone had had ENOUGH OF THE JACKSONS and Janet got the blowback.

Hey ease up on Janet. She's the only one in that family who has released any kind of decent music in the last 20 years. Besides she seems somewhat normal, which is not a word one hear's too frequently when referring to the Jackson family. In any event, Janet Jackson didn't pull that stunt. That talentless twit Justin Timberlake did. He grabbed Kylie Minogue's ass in London (in front of the Queen, I think) and caused a scandal over there too. He's a serial groper.

83 Lapsed Leftist  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:00:14am

#74 Jakester:
I hope for your sake that you're a troll and not really that dumb in real life. Either way, FOAD.

#80 Calico Jack:

It isn't quite so bad yet as there are no Muslim internment camps unless you consider Gitmo one.

Agreed to your point, and it's worth noting that regardless of arguments about the merits of each individual Gitmo detention, an entire race of people living in America is not being forced to sell their property for pennies on the dollar and move to a concentration camp. Specific foreign combatants and suspected terrorists are being held while we are engaged in direct combat. It's nothing like the injustice of the internment of Japanese-Americans.

84 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:05:18am

for more jaw dropping -go check out Allahpundit.

OY.

85 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:05:43am

Thanks, L2, I was going to post something to the effect of "Maybe Calico Jack thinks Muslims who are captured while shooting at Americans should be given big hugs and luxury condos to stay in while they plot the destruction of Western Civilization" No doubt he thinks anyone who wants to destroy Western Civilization can't be all bad.

86 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:08:28am

#40 HotBrownSandwich

You ask for a photoshop, you get a photoshop

From Gloved One to Veiled One.

:-)

87 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:09:23am

The point is that following the attack on Pearl Harbor we let fear force us to deprive people of their civil rights who had been living as US citizens for many years or were born in the US as US citizens. The two situations (post WWII and post 9-11) are similar in that we are irrationally allowing fear to cloud our better judgement regarding the treatment of other US citizens.

88 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:10:24am

#87 Calico Jack

What other US citizens are you talking about?

89 Joshua  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:11:26am
Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: “I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

Quotes from President George W. Bush:

"Islam is peace."
"There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion."
"The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur'an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace."
"According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements."
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All of the above quotes can be found at [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
(This is the first page that comes up when you search for "islam" on the White House web page. They've put together a backgrounder of President Bush's statements on Islam.)

I will leave it up to others to reconcile Jermaine's comments with those of President Bush.

90 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:11:47am

#83 Lapsed Leftist - what you said.

Charles - I've NEVER asked you to delete a post or ban a poster. Ever.

But I gave Jackster (post #74) about a half an hour now to back up and apologize for what may, MAY have been an inadvertently, but truly hateful post.

And no response from the MF.

Mayhaps you'd like to consider banning the sob?
Not to mention deleting his post?

91 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:11:52am

Despite DFW being at very south edge of SPC Slight Risk Area Today, Might Metroplex See Severe Storms?


Fort Worth 12Z (7am local) balloon sounding Note, there is still about a 4C cap, but that is less than yesterday. To assess the risk of severe weather possibly occuring as far south as DFW, National Weather Service Office Fort Worth-Dallas will release another balloon at 1pm local.


Latest RUC model suggests with daytime heating/mixing, CAP will be nearly gone by 7pm CDT, with about 65 J/Kg on inhibition. If the inhibition is overcome, 1500 J/Kg CAPE could be tapped. By that time, the dryline may have bulged as far east as Palo Pinto county, and dryline convergence might allow a few cells to overcome the weakening CAP. RUC forecast suggests any cells that do form will track due west about 35 km/hr. Shear in the lowest levels isn't as favorable for tornadoes as it is farther north in Oklahoma, but large hail is possible, and an isolated tornado, near boundary mergers could still occur.

Lets see if the 18Z special sounding prompts SPC to reconfigure risk area on 20Z SWODY1 update.

92 OrangeJuice  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:12:11am

I find it interesting that people keep insisting that the extremism is a response to American actions in the last couple years.

93 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:13:09am

Ed Moran

I live in eastern Oklahoma (Tahlequah). Whats the outlook?

94 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:14:18am

V the K:
Perhaps you should go back to elementary school and reread your history. I'm an American first and formost (spent the last 9 years serving in the Air Force) and I very much support freedom of religion. I am also very much against racism. Treating anyone different based on their race or religion is illegal and immoral.

Try reading for what is intended and quit putting words in other people's mouths.

95 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:18:09am

Andrew:
I mean Americans of Arab decent who are Muslim. Ignore the "Arab" and the "Muslim" part and people will hopefully remember that they are "Americans" and they have the same rights as anyone else. Heck, I swore an oath to protect those rights.

96 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:18:22am

#94 Calico Jack

Treating anyone different based on their race or religion is illegal and immoral.

Wrong. Individuals may treat others any way they please - it's not illegal for individuals to treat others differently based on race, religion, orientation, hygiene, or what have you.

97 Joe Mama  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:18:31am

#78

all black people own caddies

I'd rather have a cart, anyway. It carries me and my clubs and doesn't want a beer and a tip at the 19th hole. ;-)

98 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:19:38am

Gee, Jacko, I guess I must have missed the Army trucks rumbling through Dearborn to round up the Muslims.

99 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:19:50am

#95 Calico Jack

Tell me, who are these arab/muslim Americans whose rights are being violated?

100 Joshua  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:20:08am

Re #10:

Michael Jackson was a Jehovah's Witness in the past (as some other members of his family were, or may still be -- I've heard that his mother, Katherine, is or was the most active member of that religion in the Jackson family). However, as far as I know, Michael left the Witnesses several years ago.

101 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:21:03am

#94 Calico Jack - What? What post of V the K's are you responding to?

V the K has been out here for longer than I've been here and is TRULY a "good guy".

I hope and believe that you two are crossing keyboards and "talking over each other".

Please enlighten me (now that's a truly HUGE task; I meant in respect to V the K's post).

#74 V the K - still waiting for your apology or "clarification". But I'm not going to hold my breath, you racsist sob.

102 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:23:37am

#80 Calico Jack

Don't post something equating American moslems today with Japanese in CA at the time of Pearl Harbor and expect not to get a harsh reaction. And your "yet" is quite out of line. No where, except in the fevered imagination of CAIR, have American moslems be subject to any unreasonable, let alone unconstitutional actions.

103 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:24:46am

Andrew:
Try denying an Arabian American Muslim a job and see how quick a lawsuit comes down on you. That is what I meant as illegal. You may be free to treat people as you will but they are just as free to treat you poorly if you treat them poorly.
I don't know... maybe "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you" is going out of style.

104 Bob G.  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:25:04am

Jackson maintains that there are no "suicide belts," just wardrobe malfunctons.

105 jeremybi  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:25:13am

He's not really germane to this whole discussion.

Hey, I thought that was pretty good!

106 Pope Urban XXIII  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:25:21am

Muslims are actually more of a threat to the US than naturalized Japanese were in 1941. The koran demands more of muslims than national loyalty or pride.

There have been many articles pointing out the various ways that muslims are planning on the take over of our country for allah. They remain too small a percentage at this point but the silence from the so called moderate muslims is noteworthy.

While killing in suicidal attaacks are similar, the Japanese had more respect for themselves and life in general than the muslims. I hope our intelligence agencies are staying close to the mosques in this country, just in case.

GWG

107 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:25:54am
#74 V the K - still waiting for your apology or "clarification". But I'm not going to hold my breath, you racsist sob.

WTF?

108 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:26:51am

#103 Calico Jack

Move the goalposts much? You said arab/muslim Americans were being treated differently - I and others have said you are wrong. That's all.

109 True American  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:27:41am

I think that any and all traitors (and by that I mean the likes of Jermaine "I love my sicko kiddy touching brother, leave him alone" Jackson, and Jamie "I'm really the only one responsible for 9/11 because I created the wall" Gorelick) are directly culpable of Treason, and should be tried as such. Further, I believe that we should use any and all resources available, including nuclear weapons, in the defense of this great nation of ours. I also believe that questioning of the President's motives, and disagreement with any course of action that he chooses to take also constitutes treason; I am tired of Democrats and pansy liberals afraid of their own shadows, aiding our enemies by questioning our leader. The memories of our brave men and women that have died bringing democracy to the middle east are being trampled on by those that have neither the spine nor sense to agree with our President and his policies. His way IS the right and only way, and just having him in office makes me long for the repealment of the presidential term limit amendment. So democrats and seditionists (as if there's a difference), be forewarned: You will suffer the same ends as the Islamic terrorists, Benedict Arnolds and Jamie Gorelicks of the past present and future - painful death and an eternity in the 9th level of hell!

110 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:27:45am

#107 V the K

I'm sure realwest meant to say Jakester.

111 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:28:47am

#109 TA

FOAD

112 fiery celt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:30:09am
"I think Muslims have become the new Negroes in America. They are being mistreated at airports, by the Immigration -- everywhere," he (Jackson) said.

Only he neglects to mention that 19 Arab Muslims flew themselves inti the WTC while screaming "Allah Akhbar!")

Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: "I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing."

The truth about Islam, Islamic Arabs and African Blacks is:---

Islam and Arabs have enslaved Black Africans continiously for 1300 years.

Arabs in the Sudan, Ethopia, Muritania, Niger and in all the Gulf Arab States, continue to kidnap and enslave Black Africans today.

Arabs are currently in the midst of a genocide of Black Sudanese Christians and native animists.

Two million Sudanese have been murdered in the last decade. Millions have been forced from their homes and villages this year alone.

Millions more women and children have been savaged, sold into slavery, gang raped, sodomized, crucified, tortured, permanently maimed, and forced to renounce their faith and convert to Islam.

This is just one country---

The Arabic word for "slave" and "black African" is the same.

Where is the media outcry?

We are the Jackson Family denounciations???---Including other Jacksons such as. Jesse and Jesse Jr;

Then, there's Jesse Jackson. He says his plate is too full to support freedom for black Sudanese slaves. But maybe it's his connection with Jim Zogby, president of the Arab-American Institute, a chief fundraiser in Jackson's presidential bid, and that he and other mainstream Islamic leaders prominent at the White House defend Jihad-slavery and attack its critics

The "Pope" is kissing the Quran and calling Islamists "Abrahamic Brothers"

Oprah said that this issue is to complex and controversial for her program. Meanwhile she kisses the ass of Former Queen Noor and Queen Rania of Jordan.

Take Oprah. Barbara Vogel, a teacher at Highline Elementary School in Aurora, Colo., and her 4th and 5th graders raised enough money to buy the freedom for 1,000 Sudanese slaves. They sent Oprah hundreds of letters with photos of the freed slaves. She told them the story was "too complicated" to feature on her show. Right, it wasn't as simple as her "Islam 101" whitewash propaganda with Queen Rania and a Pakistani female official and their rose-colored vision of Islam.


Sudan slave 'crucified'
by master

Hundreds of slaves
freed in Sudan

Islamists rape 100 women in attack

Sudan cries rape

Racial Myths and Realities

Slavery abounds,
U.N. 'remembers'

Report lists names of 10,000
in slavery

Arab masters raping boy slaves

Sudan jihad forces Islam
on Christians

Sudan Islamists kill more women, children

Saudi sheik: 'Slavery is a part of Islam'

Islam's Wretched Record on Slavery by ...

Jihad Slavery: An Ugly Living Legacy by ...

For the UN, a Sudanese Slave is Not a ...

Islamists Enslave Black Africans by ...

Slavery’s Allies by Chris Weinkopf
... Sudan’s toughest critics are schoolteacher Barbara Vogel’s fourth-graders in ... An
Archbishop Tells the Truth About Islam The Left Ravages Minority Students. ...

The Lies of Oprah

Oprah’s Lies, Part II by Jamie Glazov

Sex Slave Jihad by Donna M. Hughes

Sudan's Slaves

Islamists Enslave Black Africans by ...

The Vatican's New Realism about Islam by ...

Boy Rape in Sudan by Maria Sliwa

Coming to America?

Fear runs high in Sudan despite ceasefire --

Twenty-first Century African Slaves – In the Land of Islam

Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide


PEACEFUL RELIGION?’ ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS IDENTIFIED AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR RAPE AND KILLING OF CHRISTIANS

"All houses as well as a market and a health center were completely looted and the market burnt," UN coordinator Mudesh Kapila said. "Over 100 women were raped, six in front of their fathers who were later killed.

"This is ethnic cleansing, this is the world's greatest humanitarian crisis, and I don't know why the world isn't doing more about it," he told BBC Radio 4's Today program.

Islam killers supported by Khartoum’s vicious Muslim politic "raped more than 100 woman in an attack in western Sudan."

One hundred fifty women plus 200 youngsters were kidnapped while the villages were leveled.

Over one hundred thousands fled from Sudan to nearby Chad, leaving their belongings behind. Still, the enemy crossed the borders and ravaged the victims.

And who are these attacked, raped, murdered, set fleeing in hope of safety? They are mostly Christians. The "cleric-backed National Islamic Front regime in the Arab and Muslim north" sought out the Christians for the slaughter.

Go back to 1983. Since then, over 2 million people have died because of battle and starvation. Nearly 5 million have lost their homes, accounted as refugees.

Before Christian women were raped, they were called on to deny their faith. Even then, they were gang-raped, sometimes slain. The rapists were a part of the Khartoum regime.

Kapila reported that he lived through the Rwanda slaughter, but what’s happening to the Christians put him in "total shock."

113 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:30:14am

Andrew, that makes sense --- I mean, I watch Chappelle's Show for goodness sakes.

114 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:30:40am

Darleen:
Did you read the following post? I clarified it as a comment on how fear forces us to look at Arabian American Muslims differently than pre 9-11. Everone is guilty of it, myself included... it is human to categorize people into stereotypes. I really try not to give into stereotyping and try to judge each person on their own merits and flaws. I have overheard people throw derogatory terms around after a muslim woman walks by. Why? They don't know her but they've stereotyped her as an America hating terrorist.

115 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:31:18am

My Bad - my #101 made reference to number #74 "V the K"; that, obiviously should have been "#74 Jakester"

Apologies to V the K.

116 Lapsed Leftist  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:34:12am

I think that Calico Jack's point might have been that it's more fruitful to compare how the US treats Muslims and Arabs as compared to how US treated Japanese and Japanese-Americans during a time of war, instead of as compared to how the US treated Blacks during a long history of general post-slavery oppression.

I agree with this approach. We can view it as a framework to analyze the similarities in background history before each attack (quite a few). I find very telling and interesting the similarities in how the US treated each group after each attack (almost none).

#101 Realwest -- I think you mean "#74 Jakester", not "#74 V the K"

I'm excited because I got to deploy my first FOAD on LGF today!

117 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:36:25am

Thanks Lapsed... I was hoping that someone understood what I was saying.

118 sharona  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:36:39am

You know, something about Charles' chosen title "Jermaine Spreads Love in The Gulf" makes me cringe. Cringe in a "must ship emergency penicillin immediately" kind of way.

/ Eww.

119 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:37:37am

#110 andrew - thank you. - See my #115 above.
sigh. Even with Preview it's hard for me to get it right.

I DO apolgize V the K. As I said (correctly) you are one of the true "good guys" out here.

What's worse is I occasionally speak (out loud) better than I post!

ouch!!!

120 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:37:37am

#109 ThickAss

Not even closed. Don't give up the day job.

shmok

121 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:37:46am

Realwest --- No worries, although since I am opposed to racial preferences, and think there is a place for profiling under certain narrow circumstances, I am a racist by some definitions.

Of course, these days, "racist" doesn't mean anything more than "not a hard-core dogmatic leftist."

122 Austin  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:39:05am

“Islam is a religion of peace."

Yeah, keep repeating that mantra over and over again.

123 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:39:57am

In both cases (9-11 and Pearl Harbor) a sudden horrific attack befell America. In both cases we found ourselves the target of another culture with very different moral and religious values. In this example the two situations are more similar than the prejudice against Black Americans in the 60's.

124 sharona  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:40:38am

The fark.com kids were discussing this yesterday, and someone made a connection between Jermaine's looks and a cigar store indian chotchke.

Spot on description, wouldn't you say?

125 action jackson  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:41:00am

A B C
Jermaine's a ji-ha-di
Thinks he's a ha-bi-bi
A B C
One, two, three,
Got the brain of a flea...

126 David, TPFKADTTL  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:41:02am

He so crayyyy-zeeee!!!!!!!


Like anybody can take THIS guy seriously with an album like THAT?!?!

127 Lapsed Leftist  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:42:05am

#114 -- Calico Jack, please stop, you're changing and/or diluting your point.

To say that Americans have become increasingly prone to prejudice against Arabs, Arab-Americans and Muslims after 9/11 is correct. To apply a blanket prejudice against an individual without any reason is wrong. There, you're fine.

But to compare this to what the US government did to Japanese and Japanese-Americans in WWII? Internment is orders upon orders of magnitudes away from an increased level of prejudice. They are related only because they are bad things that can happen to a group of people.

And the government is trying to reduce that prejudice with the RoP line of crap.

128 andthenblammo!  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:42:18am

#115 realwest:

Hope you apologized in time, otherwise there'll be a knock on the door,

and these guys will be on the other side.

129 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:42:27am

#11 Jeff

What does Tito think? I always thought Tito was the true genius in that family. Tito rules

LMAO!

#55 Will

I don't care what Jermaine says. I can never decide until I have LaToya's take on things, the real clear thinker in the family.

LMAO!

Thanks for your wise words. Expert advice is always the way to go.

130 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:42:59am

#121 V the K - cool, um, kewl.

Under some definitions, I'm smart!

No, really!!!!

Meanwhile no response from Jakester.

Memo to self: if Jakester EVER shows up again, fillet, dice and serve, cold.

131 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:43:51am

Calico Jack

When is it not fear, but prudence, to consider particular groups for scrutiny based, not on stereotypes or myth, but actual evidence that many in that group represent a threat?

What gangbangers do you have where you live? Do you see the tagging? The vandalism? Read reports of driveby shootings?

So would it be prudent of you to be aware of how to identify these people and taking a few extra precautions when you encounter a group of young men all dressed in gangbanger outfits, flashing hand signs ...or do you just walk by them with no extra thought as if they were a bunch of seven year old girls dressed in Brownie uniforms?

132 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:44:28am
133 J.D.  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:44:33am

OT

"I filled out the credit thing. I'm probably sitting there an hour ... hour and a half," Allen said.

But the dealership's manager came back with what Allen thought was an odd question.

"'Have you ever been to Yemen?' I go, 'No,'" Allen said.

That was enough to pique Allen's curiosity. Apparently when Allen's Social Security number was entered in the computer, it came up as Ramzi Bin al-Shibh (pictured, right), one of the masterminds of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.


Man Trying To Buy Car Finds Out 9/11 Terrorist Took ID

134 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:44:36am

V the K: Regarding post #121 I have to agree. While I disagree with racial stereotyping I have to admit that when looking for criminals you have to look at the most likely suspects. You wouldn't put a short black man in a police lineup if the witness identified a criminal as a tall white man.

I hate stereotypes... I grew up in Dallas Texas so when I left everybody assumed I was a Cowboys fan, I drove a pick up, and that I liked country music. Couldn't be further from the truth... I like Hockey, drive a Honda, and listen to Metal. :)

135 WriterMom  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:44:42am

#128 andthenblammo

Ya wanna give us all nightmares? Ha ha ha...just circulated that link around my office.

Hilarious!

136 sharona  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:46:21am

#126 David:

That's priceless! Thanks for the laugh!

Speaking of "Precious Moments", did anyone see "Saturday Night Live" last weekend? Drew Barrymore was playing Courtney Love and Maya Rudolph was doing her hilarious Donatella Versace impression. Maya/Donatella told Drew/Courtney she could trash anything in the house that she wanted to, except her most treasured possessions: her "Precious Moments" figurines. Drew/Courtney trashed them anyways. Funny as hell.

137 brianstien  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:46:21am

Marginally OT, re: internment and its relationship to our current circumstances - evariste, Dan McWiggins, piglet & I had a pretty good discussion about it on the Granite at Mauthausen thread last week. It starts here, more or less.

138 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:49:09am

#128 andthenblammo! - LOL!!

I'm a pretty tough guy. I don't NEVER worry about what's on the other side of the door.
Long as it stays on the other side of the door!!!!

139 SoCalJustice  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:49:28am
You beat someone with a stick

That is soooo true.

You do beat someone with a stick.

lol

(#76) zulubaby

Thanks for that laugh.

Wow. He's a scary man.

OT, but speaking of scary:

Aborigines put black curse on Prime Minister Howard

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Aborigines invoked an ancient curse on Australian Prime Minister John Howard on Tuesday by "pointing the bone" at the conservative politician to protest against his decision to scrap a top aboriginal body.

Aborigines believe that to point a kangaroo bone at someone is to bring that person ill fortune, and the black magic is strong enough to cause death.

An aboriginal woman dressed in possum skin and traditional tribal makeup confronted Howard on Tuesday after he made a speech in a rural town and pointed a one-inch bone at the politician to place a silent curse on him.

The aboriginal woman, known only as Moopor, was not permitted to speak with the media, in line with aboriginal culture, but the head of the axed aboriginal body said the curse was a message to Howard to heed black Australians.

Didn't Michael Jackson pay to have a witch doctor curse Steven Spielberg and David Geffen?

Maybe it's not all that OT after all.

140 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:50:28am

OT but hilarious: Heinz ketchup supports Bush.
(via Drudge)

141 Calico Jack  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:50:46am

I give up... I've tried to make a simple point on how fear and hate spawned from an event has caused us to stereotype all people of a particular ethnic/religious group as criminals (terrorists) and to show how that reaction is a recurrent event in America's history. Instead it seems like everyone is dwelling on my original analogy instead of digging a little deeper to get to the point of the comparison.

I'm out of here...

142 Jimmy2  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:51:49am

#109 TA

Yawn, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
BS strawman argument #674. If the LLL'ers ever stopped to actually listen (i.e. lurking here would prove almost instantaneously that NONE of us are entirely happy with Bush's performance) and actually came up with a rational argument that made sense and solved a real problem effectively, I swear I would have a heart attack and die. They are getting to be so boring, it kind of takes all the fun out of it. Where's Gordon or Baby bin Laid when we need him??

143 veebee  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:52:49am

Darleen #86
He needs a full burka. This is probably the only case where a full burka is justified.

144 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:54:03am

Maybe Jermaine can start up a new group with the Muslim previously known as Cat Stevens.

145 brianstien  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:54:25am

#139 SoCalJustice

I thought about skewering my Michael Moore voodoo doll, but Nancy Reagan's astrologist avised me not to.

146 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:57:28am

Andrew


I assume you have one of them tornado alley type storm cellars to use late this afternoon?

I can't recall the guys name, but there was a story that came out of the 1997 Jarrell, Texas F-5 tornado that shows the value of being prepared. A car mechanic, a Mexican immigrant, moved his family into a brick home after the F-3 tornado that hit Jarrell in May 1989 had destroyed his families trailer home. He also vowed to have a tornado cellar. Problem is, homes in the Austin area are built without cellars because the tornado threat isn't as great as farther north along the I-35 corridor, and the hard Cretaceous limestones are hard to dig into. But this poor Mexican immigrant, using only a 5 gallon bucket and a pick, started digging a shelter right in the middle of his living room. I'll bet his neighbors thought he was crazy. It took him a year, working evenings after getting home from work, but he finally completed the shelter, stocked it with a few supplies, and with the trap door covered with a carpet, there would be no evidence that a shelter even existed.

All twenty homes in the Double Creek Estates subdivision was destroyed by the F-5 tornado, and every person home in the subdivision died, except the wife and family of the mechanic (he survived because he was at work) and a neighboring family, also Mexican immigrants, because they took shelter in the home made storm cellar.

Radar images and photos, Jarrell F-5 tornado

147 j-damn  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 8:58:09am

#20

Chris Rock--although a funny man--in that same HBO special, which I saw live, also said:
-that he is more afraid of "Al Cracka" than "Al Queda"
-that Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, et al are just diversions to keep us from thinking about the war (never mind that Jacko raped kids 10 years ago and Paris Hilton shot the tape long before Operation Iraqi Freedom)
-that anyone who was patriotic after 9/11 was just waiting to go after "Jews and N*ggers" next after we took care of the Arabs.
-that whitey is not interested in solving the murders of rap artists because of racism--never mentioning the fact that said rappers live by the gun, die by the gun, hate the police and constantly rap about killing them
-that "only the white man is allowed to profit from pain" (i.e. alcohol/tobacco v. crack)
-that Bush can't take a firm stand on anything except for the fact that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry.

But hey, that whole rant about post-married life sure was funny.

148 Crusade Now  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:03:19am

Has this dickhead ever tried being an Australian coming into Heathrow and have all his baggage searched whilst some paki questions how long they intend to stay and what they are going to do. Australians are the new negroes of England.

149 obscured by clouds  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:08:54am

*sniffle* "Hand me the semtex, Jermaine..." *sniffle*

150 RufusLeeKing  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:10:26am
I don't buy that "Religion of Peace" bullcrap either.

The religion of Piece, more like. And they like their pieces unripe. Can't fight back much.

Mohammed and Michael Jackson have lots of notes to compare.

151 Morgan  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:10:33am

OT

A well-written editorial about Kerry's ties to terror.

[Link: news-register.net...]

One can only wonder why John Kerry has not yet taken the opportunity to make apologies for a December address to the Muslim Public Affairs Council, an anti-Semitic group whose officials have defended terrorists.

. . . He may not have known at the time, although his staff certainly should have - but must now, in the wake of subsequent reporting - that MPAC has a long and sordid history of anti-Semitism. On Sept. 11, its executive director and co-founder, Salam Al-Marayati, suggested that Israel might be behind the attacks on the United States. He and other senior staffers also have repeatedly praised the anti-Israel terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah, both of which may now be playing a role in Iraqi resistance to the establishment of civil government in Iraq.

The simple and decent thing would be for Kerry to make appropriate apologies for lending legitimacy to MPAC by addressing the group as a serious organization. At the same time, Kerry also should explain whether his campaign has taken steps to prevent similar incidents in the future. Why is this important? Because a president and his staff must routinely make decisions about who the White House, and by implication the U.S. government, will associate itself with. Surely Kerry would not want his White House to keep company with supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah.

152 V the K  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:15:35am
Instead it seems like everyone is dwelling on my original analogy instead of digging a little deeper to get to the point of the comparison.

I think people did get the point, and came to the conclusion that the original analogy was overblown. I know the reason for my reaction was because the original post sounded like the typical "Gitmo is a Death Camp," rhetoric we hear so often from the Moonbat crowd.

Also, there was the --- well, to be blunt, insulting --- characterization that all Americans are drooling racist morons whose Pavlovian response to 9-11 would be to burn out all the 'Rabs and Rug-Kissers with torches and pitchforks. I think it's a viewpoint that insults and condescends to the majority of Americans... and it's especially disheartening that it is apparently the viewpoint of our Government and President (Hence, the constant admonitions to be nice).

153 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:21:45am

Ah, now I see why Jermaine was telling people to lay off of his pervert, paedophile brother.

154 sefton  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:23:11am

Charles-
This is the biggest waste of bandwidth I've ever seen.

Slow news day?

155 aphex jim  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:28:21am

Way OT

Colin Powell with a sense of humor? Who knew?

That said, Woodward's tome has created several controversies. For one, Woodward wrote that Powell and Vice President Dick Cheney were at odds with each other over the Iraq issue. In fact, he writes that they barely spoke to one another. But Powell said he and Cheney have a good friendship.


"It's excellent. As Mr. Woodward notes, in one point of the book — and this may sound a little improper — but when the vice president and I are alone, it's Colin and Dick," Powell said.

Via Fox

156 ShiksaGrrrl  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:32:57am

Nation Of Islam - Louis Farrakhan


One of the Jackson brothers is a member of NOI and I believe it is Jermaine?

Which ever one it is, that is the brother that managed to get Mikey surronded by such lovely fellows.

Perhaps with the backing of the Nation oF lslam, they will get high profile coverage and he will be a lot safer in Jail.


Time for this whole family to go away.........

157 Martel-Sobieski  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:32:59am

#109, True American

Whoa, decaf man, decaf.

158 Jakester  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:34:41am

I heard Powell on Hannity the other day. He had a point: Bush is like the customer in a china shop who picked up Iraq and dropped it, so now we own it. Anything that happens bad will stick to us. I had a bad feeling from the start. The Iraqis are going to have less gratitude than say the French and another reason to hate us. A few will appreciate us, but there is too deep a resevoir of hate and facism in the Arab world for our Iraqi expedition to ever be appreciated, no matter how well it goes. I mean look at Afghanistan, is there democracy and stablity there yet? And there was less controversy and a longer time and a smaller population. We have wounded the pathetic Arab pride and pricked their mountainous hate and paranoia. This won't work out well and may doom Bush and other future efforts.

159 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:41:05am
160 Kelly  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:41:43am

Sorry for the repost but this is woth the reposting:

New openings for Hamas leadership

161 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:42:03am

SPC will issue Tornado Watch for most of Oklahoma by 3 pm CDT. From language of MD, I expect a PDS Tornado Watch


Isolated strong storms possible eastern Great Lakes/interior Mid Atlantic, but Oklahoma, maybe extreme north Texas/western Arkansas will be the big show.

No doubt the famous Dr. Joshua Wurman and Dr. Howard Bluestein, who show up in every tornado chasing documentary ever made, will be heading out from Norman soon in the NOAA National Severe Storms Laboratory/University of Oklahoma (the only thing that justifies OU's existence) Doppler-on-Wheels trucks.


(Always have trouble deciding, if my win the Lotto/go back to college fantasy came true, would I head to FSU to study tropical meteorology, or go to Norman to study thunderstorm meteorology)

Doppler on Wheels

162 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:47:37am

In case this hasn't been posted before:


(AP/Guardian-UK)
Over some residents' objections, the Hamtramck, Mich., City Council voted Tuesday to allow a mosque to send out a call to prayer to Muslims on a loudspeaker.
The al-Islah mosque asked for permission to air the Arabic call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, though it compromised by agreeing not to air the call before 6 a.m. or after 10 p.m.
Some Muslims say the call is the equivalent of church bells.
Opponents argued that church bells have no religious significance and that allowing the Arabic call unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.

That's Sharia folks right here in the USA!!!!

163 the accidental admin  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:47:43am

#138 realwest

i read your comment and pictured Jean Reno in "The Proffessional" with his Baretta up against the door tracking the baddies on the other side.

164 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:54:33am

OT but a must read: The Arab Lie Whose Time Has Come

To back up its demands for full repatriation to Israel of Arab refugees and their descendants, the Palestinian leadership has—for over fifty years—busily spun the story of their "Naqba," their catastrophic flight from Palestine during 1947-48, in all the media available to them. This version of events—replete with Jewish brutality and Arab victimization—is a lie whose time has come, one now almost universally believed by Gentile and Jew alike.
165 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:55:19am
166 Kelly  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:56:50am

#156 ShiksaGrrrl

Since the NOI has a very large membership in prisons around the country they will be able to continue to protect Michael if he is required to spend any time behind bars. However, its likely that if he does end up in prison the powers that be will likely do their best to keep him in protective custody since he would not last long in general population. The nasties in prison take a very dim view on child molesters.

167 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 9:58:29am
168 brianstien  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:00:19am

#165 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru

Damn. That's a lot more impressive than my Springer Spaniel: Sherman - aka The Shermanator, slayer of Osama bin Muskrat.

169 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:17:24am

Oklahoma counties in latest tornado watch.


SPC has not yet posted details of Tornado Watch #98 on their website.

170 cba  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:28:24am

#162 Andy in Agoura Hills:
Check out the Adhan in Michigan thread.

171 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:28:28am

ROFLMAO!

I'm listening to Michael Medved right now and he's wiping the floor with a really LLL "Dr." Goldhammer who has written somesort of article labeling the Bush Admin a fundamentalist religions Xtian cult that it is the most dangerous thing the world has ever seen!

172 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:29:22am
22:13 Poll conducted by Fatah reveals Palestinian support for Hamas exceeds support for Fatah for first time
173 David Simon  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:31:38am

#159 ploome hineni - I have no doubt your (nicely done) post will sail right over Calico Jackass's head. A victim group to a liberal is like a toy to a kid - they play with it, they get bored with it and then they want a new one.

174 crusade now  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:31:45am

*167 Colt interesting when the CRE and english govt refuse to finance court cases involving cornish civil rights issues.

175 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:34:49am

#174 crusade now

I've never heard anyone bring up Cornish independence/civil rights except from you. That's not a criticism, mind - most people have no idea there is anything in dispute.

176 HULUGU  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:43:22am

ah germaine--not bad for an abeed--before 1962 in saudi arabia he would have made a great house slave--sings- dances-plays an instrument--too bad there's no record to boycott--like for twenty years--he hasn't had a gig since the "victory tour"--paraphrasing chekov--all families are crazy in their own unique ways--but the jacksons take the yellowcake

177 RepJ  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:47:09am

OT

#171

It's spelled CHRISTian

I know pagans who put the X over CHRIST, and as a Christian I find that terribly offensive. They do it because they hate Christians and the Bible. I don't know why you did it, but now everytime I see that, it ranckles me because I see it as being hateful.

God bless you for being a conservative

178 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:48:05am

Talking about 'negroes', Jermaine, why don't you go to South Sudan to explain to the Christian negroes that Islam is a RoP.
I am sure the (few) survivors will be interested.

179 Marudkhai  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:49:15am

/ot

LGF-Friendly Saudi Blogger -- He's very good.

It's dedicated to the 15 school girls killed in a fire because religious police wouldn't let firemen in or the girls out:

The Religious Policeman

Page down to the section on "The phone revolution" in which he describes what happened when he interrupted a man doing something that doesn't officially happen in the Kingdom.

It's a hoot.

180 Leah  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:53:56am

This .".Muslims are the New Negros"..is extremely good tactic in general. Its also a good tactic to USE for Michael Jackson. In fact..Germaine would do his brother a favor just by saying SOMETHING ***mildly antisememtic. (nothing to cause a big backlash) That will translate into...YOU are trying to GET my brother cause some of our family is Moslem and You JOOOOSS are just trying to GET my brother cause YOU SAY...we said something antisememtic. These are all tactics that weve seen used before.

Lets see if the cry..".Muslims are the New Negros"..is accepted by the Black Community. If it is...well we will have to deal with a big prob. If the Black Community doesnt want the Islamic World to steal their identify and rejects this "replacement theology" of sorts...then it will fail ..for a while.

It will be interesting to see whats gonna happen with this phony--Im a Poor Minority Person...and You Racists are going after me just cause Im...."Brown"?? (is brown the color that they are gonna use?) Its all comes down to PR Tactics. Pals used PR Tactics very well didnt they?

181 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:54:02am

Oh wow...while listening to Michael Medved's slice, dice and puree of "Dr." John Goldhammer, I found the article he spewed (warning, it is at CommonDelusions, one may want slip a condom over your 'puter screen prior to clicking on the link), entitled Blood Vote - The Consequences of Voting for George W. Bush

Voting for Bush II will support and perpetuate what amounts to a full-blown, political cult -a fanatical political predator with fundamentalist religious fangs and moneyed, special interest claws. The religious right's cult mind set has corrupted our country's current leadership, which has, in turn, further deformed an already dysfunctional foreign policy into an empire-building rogue state.
182 Marudkhai  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:56:49am

#177 RepJ

Actually Xtian is a perfectly legitimate "shorthand" with strong historical precedents.

The X is symbolic of both the cross and of the Greek word "Christos."

For a thousand years, Byzantine soldiers carried an X on their shields, with a "P" superimposed, a symbol still used by the Greek Orthodox church.

In a world where so many of us get tendonitis from too much typing, including Moi, shorthand terms like Xtian are a blessing.

183 BruxellesBlog  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:57:48am
#11 Jeff

What does Tito think? I always thought Tito was the true genius in that family. Tito rules

My favorite was Jimmy, ya know, "Long Haird Lover from Liverpool"....

Ooops, sorry, he was the untallented fat white kid named Osmund.

184 GoatGuy  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 10:58:08am

Related Discussion [other thread]

I apologize for the off-thread reference, but it seems apropros.

GoatGuy

185 Redbull Junkie  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:01:18am

fouth time trying to post this.


Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: “I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

I agree with Jermaine. GWB said this:


The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.

Brainwashing? Yup. Propaganda? Yup.

RBJ.

BTW, the quote from Bush came from
here.


[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

186 Lapsed Leftist  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:04:58am

#177 RepJ:

The X in Xmas or Xtian doesn't represent an "ex-ing out" of Christ but rather the Greek letter Khi or Chi, pronounced about halfway between the Ch in "Christ" and "Challah". It was written almost like an English "X", so it's been carried over and the origin mostly forgotten. If you're a Catholic, you can see it in the common symbol on Bibles, vestments, etc., that sort of looks like a simplified sword (oval handled) stabbing down through an X -- this is the "Chi-Rho", or the two first letters of Christ's name in Greek.

Now you know -- and knowing is half the battle.

187 RepJ  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:05:49am

#182 Marudkhai

Thanks for the info. However, the only time I've ever seen it used before is how I stated it before. Someone hates the word Christ, so they put the x over it in an attempt to upset Christians. Now, I'm sensitive to it.

188 nvdoyle  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:06:42am

#165 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru

But...but...what about the Eeevil Corporate Stormchasers, who go around in really shiny black unmarked Suburbans, stealing the really good science from the plucky, underfunded cute researchers? What about them, huh?

Full Disclosure: I paid to see Twister. I'm hoping to absolve that stain sometime in the next decade.

Very OT but enraging:

NY Post by way of FOX News gets it -all- wrong.

I can't even begin to point out the inaccuracies and shameless bias in this, without shaking.

189 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:07:19am

#181 Darleen

"Could you name one of those rights that was undone by the Patriot Act?"

{Silence}

"Just one?"

{Silence}

"Okay, we're going to take a break..."

LMAO! :-)

190 Rednek  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:08:34am

OT

This is about John O'Neill, the guy who kicked Kerry's ass in the Dick Cavett Show debate in 1971

The Un-Kerry

191 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:10:25am

#177

I apologize if I offended you, but I used "Xtian" on purpose precisely because the anti-Christian bigots use it. They have made it a term of derision, a shorthand symbol that denotes mindless conformity to a superstitous cult.

The more I listened to this "Dr." the more totally he himself was revealed as an unthinking moron. He trotted out all the LLL spewing points, and each time Medved challenged him, he couldn't ever back himself up with any specific source point AT ALL. To paraphrase

"Dr.": this admin attacks anyone who criticizes it, such as calling critics unpatriotic.

Medved: who?

"Dr": What?

Medved: you said the Bush admin has labeled its critics "unpatriotic." I'm asking you, who was called that?

"Dr.": um um um , well, Paul O'Neill

Medved: Paul O'Neill was never called unpatriotic.

"Dr." then went on to try and change the goalposts, try to bring in all sorts of other "conservatives" NOT of the admin who MAY have said others were not patriotic..Medved would not let him squirm away.

It was delightful.

192 AU  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:11:12am

#13
HOT SANDWICH>>>>

JJ was convinced of Islam's right path by a bunch of kids...read #13 link.,,

What irony!

MJ F**cks kids and JJ is converted to Islam by kids.

What a family!

193 Texan Jew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:12:06am

OT - Why they hate us from the NYTimes.

It is because we are so mean to the palestinians

of course we are one of the largest providers of aid to them and we didnt expell 300,000 of them like kuwait. . .but whatever.

194 Roger  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:12:10am

An astonishing number of your comments here exhibit a sobering amount of prejudice, ignorance and lack of vision or compassion. You guys are the car-bombers of America (if you only had the guts). No, I'm sure it's much easier to sit at home and masturbate.

195 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:12:28am

#189 Colt

T'was a thing of beauty. The good "Dr." could not substantiate one charge he laid at the GW admin doorstep.

But I aint surprised his delusions were printed at commondreams.... ::gag:::

196 nvdoyle  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:14:10am
197 andrew  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:15:08am

#194 Roger

Gee, Roger - would you care to defend Mr. Jackson's quest?

198 TMF  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:15:17am

#189 Colt

I can tell you one right that has been undermined by the Patriot Act- my right not to have to listen to a bunch of leftie nudnicks shriek constantly in my ear about how they have no rights under the Patriot Act!!

Best contradictory bumper stickers on a leftiemobile, recently observed in the streets of Philly:

Left bumper: "IMPEACH BUSH"

Right bumper: "I miss my civil liberties!!"

Hey, butthead- if you truly had no civil liberties and lived in a REAL oppressive society, the first bumper sticker would have been stuck across your mouth as you hung from a lamppost. Shmuck.

199 RepJ  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:16:24am

#191 Darleen

Thanks for explaining. Now, it makes sense. Sorry.

200 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:18:28am

#194 Roger

I'm sure it's much easier to sit at home and masturbate.


Projection, I presume?

201 nvdoyle  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:19:59am
An astonishing number of your comments here exhibit a sobering amount of prejudice, ignorance and lack of vision or compassion.

Back it up, Rog! Show us which ones! Where's the prejudice? Oppose our ignorance with cold, hard facts! Lack of vision...ummm...what does that mean, anyway? Lack of compassion? I'm full of compassion...just not for terrorists.

202 TMF  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:22:33am

Roger:

I would bet my 401 K that a sobering amount of the ideas in your head are: unoriginal, ignorant, cliche, appropriated, illogical, inconsistent, hypocritical, naive, and silly.

Just speculating.

The only carbomb that I am hoping for is the one that blows up in your mommy-subsidized garage.

Pa-the-tic

203 cba  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:23:00am

#194 Roger:

it's much easier to sit at home and masturbate.

I'll take your word for it.

204 FreakyBoy  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:23:16am
“Muslims are the new Negroes in America.”

But then who will the Negroes be now?

And who gets to be the old Muslims next?

Stayed tuned for more on "Wheel of Inane Racist Analogies".

205 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:28:00am

#198 TMF

ROFL!! Good lord, I've lost count of the times I've seen the same loons on television rending their garments and setting up lamentations on the chill wind and crushing of dissent in this country....

I've actually yelled back at the TV "If one friggin thing you said were true, they would be yanking you to the greenroom for summary execution right now!"

the LLL's have no reasoning facilities left...they are Chatty Cathys from Chomskistan ... pull their cord and listen to the next vapid or vicious inanity.

206 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:29:28am

The Jacksons are so out of touch with reality, how the f would they know what's going on in America?

As for OT #193: The Palestinians deserved to be kicked out of Kuwait, after they sided with Saddam and against their generous hosts (the Kuwaitis), who had given millions to build schools, hospitals, etc. for them in the West Bank and Gaza. Ingrates.

208 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:33:37am
Jermaine, also a singer, told Reuters in an interview: “I do not agree with the U.S. government. What they are saying about Muslims and Arabs is all propaganda and brainwashing.”

I don't buy the term "a singer", either.

209 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:36:06am

#194 Roger

Well, would you please stay and enlighten us. Or were you just here to throw a little childish insult and run away.

Figures.


#195 Darleen

Here is a quiz that the good Dr. had composed a couple of years ago:

Are you "UNDER THE INFLUENCE"
of a destructive group or belief system?

Does your group have its own unique words, cliches, slogans, chants, prayers and doctrinal phrases that reinforce the group viewpoint?

Why yes, yes it does. 'No blood for oil', 'Bush=Hitler', 'Free Palestine', 'End the Occupation.' Among many others.

Group paranoia: Does your group obsessively think other groups or people with different beliefs are out to get them?

I don't think it, I know it. The zioneocon Bush junta is taking over our rights and freedom of speech.

Does your group/belief system think they have/are the only or highest truth, or have the solution for the world’s problems?

Yes. We aren't neanderthals. We mustn't let our emotions get in the way of finding out why they hate us and fixing the problem through peaceful means.

Does your group equate purity and goodness to being in your group, and impurity or evil to those outside your group?

Who are we talking about, those savage blood thirsty warmongering religous fanatics known as the Repukes?

Does your group criticize, shun, abandon or demean individuals who leave the group?

I don't know. I really never considered that bastard as* son of a b*tch Zell Miller to be a real Democrat anyhow. Fu*k him.


Well Dr., me thinks your are part of a cult.

210 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:36:37am

#208 Ward Cleaver

Man, the Beave is looking old these days. (Is it just me, or does he look a little like King Abdulluh's older brother?)

211 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:39:27am

#210 scaramouche

Speaking of which, he was just next door last night. Almost had me sitting around for an hour in the parking garage. Damn royalty.

212 TMF  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:40:07am

#205 Darlene

Completely agree! Ive had those shouting matches with the TV myself, much to my wifes chagrin.

Not to mention the HUGE amount of protest coverage at the begining of the war last year- which at the time seemed to take up more annoying airspace on all the majors than war coverage itself.

So much for the "stifling of dissent". I WISH big brother was around to shut the pieholes on those "not in my name; we support the troops when they shoot their officers, etc., etc. " buffoons!

213 FreakyBoy  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:40:25am

Ed:

Thanks for the heads up. Looking west from the 12th floor: broken skies with a few thunderheads building.

I have a feeling tonight might be a good show.

Love the NOAA site you link.

214 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:41:07am

#140 Scaramouche

You stole my post right out of my browser! :)

Now I will re-consider buying Heinz products, after banning them. The French? Never!

It just goes to show that the LLL's are the brainless wonders. I can just hear Thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesa screeching in rage now!

215 Exdamyankee  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:41:25am

#177 RepJ

"Xtian" is also frequently used by Jews, not out of hatred for Christian people per se, but out of a wish to disavow any potential acknowledgement of Jesus and/or the church(es) as Christos, which is Greek for Annointed one, or Moshiach in Hebrew.

Just like "Xmas" takes the religion out of Christmas, using "Xtian" removes any messianic meaning from Christianity. This is a big deal for some Orthodox Jews, frankly it's not a big deal for me and I use it strictly for shorthand.

RepJ-Understand that strictly speaking, it is forbidden for a Jew to even refer to "Jesus Christ", as such-as by definition that monicker names him Moshiach, or Messiah.

Just FYI...

216 Exdamyankee  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:41:34am

#177 RepJ

"Xtian" is also frequently used by Jews, not out of hatred for Christian people per se, but out of a wish to disavow any potential acknowledgement of Jesus and/or the church(es) as Christos, which is Greek for Annointed one, or Moshiach in Hebrew.

Just like "Xmas" takes the religion out of Christmas, using "Xtian" removes any messianic meaning from Christianity. This is a big deal for some Orthodox Jews, frankly it's not a big deal for me and I use it strictly for shorthand.

RepJ-Understand that strictly speaking, it is forbidden for a Jew to even refer to "Jesus Christ", as such-as by definition that monicker names him Moshiach, or Messiah.

Just FYI...

217 RIP Ford  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:43:38am

#186 Lapsed Leftist

Now you know -- and knowing is half the battle.

Yoooh... Joe!

218 niall  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:45:55am

OT: I've just about finished reading Mark Twain's The Innocents Abroad. In his description of Jerusalem one finds the following quote as he describes the squalor, the narrow streets, and wretched inhabitants.

Rags, wretchedness, poverty, and dirt, those signs and symbols that indicate the presence of Muslim rule more surely than the crescent flag itself, abound.

The Innocents Abroad was published in 1869. It really is quite sad to read that sentence and then consider the Muslim ruled states 135 years later and see that he might as well have written it yesterday.

219 sharona  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:46:08am

#205 Darleen:

the LLL's have no reasoning facilities left...they are Chatty Cathys from Chomskistan ... pull their cord and listen to the next vapid or vicious inanity.

Oh. My. God.

That's the funniest yet most astute summation of the LLLs I've read in a long time! Unfortunately, the gender implied in the term "Chatty Cathy" is spot on more often than not: that's why I like to come to LGF, Baldilock's Block, etc. You actually come across women who think and speak of their own mind, resplendent with common sense and wit.

And the guys are pretty cool, too!

220 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:48:43am

#219 niall

Not surprising. They were rejecting the modernism of 1869.

221 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:51:13am
Man, the Beave is looking old these days. (Is it just me, or does he look a little like King Abdulluh's older brother?)

Well, after all, Queen Noor is American... You never know. They could be related.

222 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:51:21am

#219 sharona - we sure are!!!!

Um, except for Right Wing Conspirator (and he may become cool once he gets out of his "teenage" years )shssssh, don't tell him he's sooooo sensitive!!!

223 Count Floyd  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:56:39am

#194

Your masturbation comment reminded me of a little ditty we used to sing as children. If you're familiar with the theme from the Roger Ramjet cartoon, why not sing along:

Roger Ramjet he's our man, hero of the nation. He's the king of circle jerk, the prince of masturbation. Roger Ramjet keeps it up, Roger Ramjet yanks, but since he had a vasectomy all he can shoot is blanks.

Sure your last name isn't Ramjet, Roger?

224 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:56:57am

OT #218 It's a good thing that Twain isn't still around, as CAIR would hold a new conference about his "Islamophobic" comments, and maybe one of the mad mullahs in Iran would put a fatwa on his a$$. Can you say "Salman Rushdie"? Sure, I knew you could.

How did you like "The Innocents Abroad", anyway? Twain was a genius, IMHO.

225 SoCalJustice  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 11:58:41am

(#167) Colt

Sometimes the West is its own worst enemy.

Hamza should be in prison or in the ground, not recieving welfare.

(#172)


I guess if Fatah wants to regain their standing in the polls, they can always request that Sharon order an Apache hit on Arafat.

"Conquest" might then see Hamas-like results at the polls.

226 scaramouche  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:14:43pm

#203 cba

In response to your query this morning about whether I heard CBC radio news highlighting the Vanunu story: yes, yes I did. It's a very important story for the el cubos at the CEEB because it promotes the idea that Israel is a bastion of evil which imprisons those who "tell the truth". When not engaged in bashing Bush and pushing the "quagmire model" of the war in Iraq, the CEEB delights in spitting on Israel. Of course, it also loves the latest unfairly kidnapped/detained/imprisoned Muslim du jour; today it's a Torontonian in Iraq. Yesterday, it was that Fadi guy who returned to great fanfare in Montreal.

227 Jakester  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:18:42pm

Oh yeah, talk about wasting whole Islamic countries and deporting all Muslims is acceptable here but noticing the not-so-small segment of our black population who openly promotes Islamicism and endorses the Muslimo-fascistic violence is racist. Gee, how many black muslims in america have expoused all sorts of whacked out views and landed themselves in prison for various violent crimes, starting with H Rap Brown, Mumia, John Muhammed, etc, the grenade thrower from Iraq? Oh, but they are off limits! As much as I depise these Arab countries adn psyches at least i hold out some hope!

228 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:20:06pm

#224 Ward Cleaver - Twain was indeed a genius. And a great American hero.
Sadly, his great, ANTI-RACIAL tome, Huck Finn, has been banned by several public school libraries recently because he used the "N" word many times in that work. That he was a white, "southern" (well, Missouri; see, e.g., Jesse James et.al.); that he was personally, BITTERLY criticized by some other white men for writing that beautiful work of art, and that it subtley preached tolerance for all races, matters not a with to the PC.
You gotta hit 'em in the face to make them listen. Now where the hell did I put my Louisville Slugger?

Sigh. I'm NOT a fan of "folk music" - e.g., kumbaya, If I had a Hammer etc.; much more of a rock 'n roller. But there's a folk song: "Where Have All The Flowers Gone" that has, as it's refrain:

"When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn."

I'm afraid some of them never will.

229 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:24:29pm

#225 SoCalJustice

Hamza should be in prison or in the ground, not recieving welfare.

MI5 should have disappeared his ass on 9/12. This bullshit is inexcusable.

I guess if Fatah wants to regain their standing in the polls, they can always request that Sharon order an Apache hit on Arafat.

LOL!

Seriously, though, given what Hamas and Fatah are popular for, I hate to think what Fatah will do to make up ground.

{Sigh} Arab democracy at work...

230 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:25:47pm

#222 realwest

Um, except for Right Wing Conspirator (and he may become cool once he gets out of his "teenage" years )shssssh, don't tell him he's sooooo sensitive!!!

Heh, and I thought I was the on the way out of my teenage years :-)

231 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:31:52pm

OT, but speaking of worthless LLL imbeciles aka 'celebrities'...and as always, the frogs:

Cannes Picks Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 911"

And also from Drudge Report™ in May, 2003.

MICKEY MOORE: DISNEY TO FINANCE NEW BUSH-BASHING DOCUMENTARY

DISNEY's modern-day magic kingdom has room for all: Now joining Mickey and Minnie and Pooh bear and Goofy -- is Hollywood badboy Michael Moore, the DRUDGE REPORT explains.

The WALT DISNEY CO. is set to spend millions financing a new explosive Bush-bashing documentary from Michael Moore [BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE] -- a documentary which claims bin Laden was greatly enriched by the Bush family!

DISNEY, via subsidiary MIRAMAX, has agreed to cover the production costs, said to be in the millions, of Moore's planned FAHRENHEIT 911.

"The primary thrust of the new film is what has happened to the country since Sept. 11, and how the Bush administration used this tragic event to push its agenda," Moore explains.

FAHRENHEIT 911 will be released during the upcoming presidential election cycle. [More Moore in '04.]

The director claims he will document on film how the "senior Bush kept his ties with the bin Laden family up until two months after Sept. 11."

Moore will also scrutinize, in graphic detail, why America is so disliked abroad.

With DISNEY financing now secure, Moore, who once railed against corporate media interests, may appear at this week's Cannes film festival in France.

232 niall  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:34:47pm

#220/224

The Inoocents Abroad is well worth the $8.00 I paid for it. From proving that jokes about about the French and soap predate George Bush to the gleeful torment of pompous european tour guides this book produces laugh out loud moments and at the same time underlines what makes Americans so different from Europeans.

As for CAIR, I'm figuring that they're so busy fulminating against the evil works of Spencer & Pipes that they just haven't the time to raise a stink about Twain. It is indeed fortunate for Twain that he was writing so long ago, though he sounds ornery enough in many passages that I wonder if he'd be even more scathing in his critique if he were writing today regardless of the threat.

233 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:35:26pm

#210 Sharona

Thanks! I agree that sometimes I want to slap my head in embarrassment for my gender...some of the "sisters" have never outgrown jr. high antics of seeking attention, popularity, rebellion against authority just for the sake of rebellion against authority and peer approval. Just buff them nails and blather about "world peace."

and yes, the guys hanging around here are pretty cool..and funny...which reminds me

hey Count Floyd

How 'bout a drink warning next time? ROFLMAO!

234 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:36:31pm

#222 realwest

Um, except for Right Wing Conspirator (and he may become cool once he gets out of his "teenage" years )shssssh, don't tell him he's sooooo sensitive!!!

Hey. Now what is that suppossed to...

eeeeeeekkkkk

hair.....growing.....in.......odd.........places.. ......

voice........deepening........


Getting a little closer to coolness. Oh, and realwest, I think it is 'kewl' that the younger generation uses now.

235 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:39:06pm

#228 realwest

Twain was indeed a genius. And a great American hero.

Was he fun to go out to the taverns with? :-P

236 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:39:49pm

#235 RWC

Burn! LOL!

237 ted  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:46:38pm

"A Santa Barbara grand jury is on the verge of indicting Michael Jackson for alleged child molestation and sending The King of Pop to a sensational trial later this year, sources said yesterday.
A formal indictment is expected to be handed up as soon as today - one day after explosive new allegations surfaced against the embattled singer.

Jackson's accuser and the accuser's brother have told cops and psychologist Stan Katz that the singer used a perverted cocktail of over-the-counter cold medicine and wine to knock out and molest a cancer-stricken boy, sources told The Post yesterday.

The accuser's little brother, 9 years old at the time of the alleged incidents, could play a key role in a trial because he witnessed Jackson touching the boy's sibling, sources told The Post.

Jackson also watched TV naked in front of the boys and seductively fondled a mannequin in their presence, ABC News reported.

The boys also reportedly told their therapist that Jackson gave them a laptop computer so they could surf the Internet for naked women. Jackson also allegedly told the boys that if they're ever asked about their activities, to say they were watching "The Simpsons," according to ABC.

These small details, if prosecutors can prove them, could be a devastating blow to Jackson. "
"
>>>Jermaines sucking up to Islam now is actually not all surprising; things are not looking good for brother Jacko; Assuming he's going to jail[which looks more likely each passing day], Jackos gonna need all the protection that the islamothug convert murderers and rapist lifers can provide him.

238 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:48:04pm

#225 SoCalJustice

Did you get my email the other day?

#236 Colt

Thanks. But what is 'Burn!?'

239 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:49:06pm

#238 RWC

LOL! You're no teenager...

It means "you just insulted him/her really well" ;-)

240 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:49:13pm

#235 RWC and
#236 Colt

Oh you youngin's!!!

Yes it was fun going to the taverns with him.
Thank you, VERY MUCH!!

"Burn"? WTF?

Isn't Spring Break over, yet? Hmmmmm?

*Sigh* It was soooo long ago when I was a kidlet that I don't even remember if I was such a ....... what's the word I'm searching for here.....um,
SMARTASS!!

Yeah, that's it!!!

;>)

241 Darleen  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:49:51pm

#231 NY Nana

Mikey Mooron says

This is only the second time in the last 48 years that a documentary has been chosen to be in the main competition (the first being "Bowling for Columbine" in 2002)


Documentary? Documentary??!!??

Would someone just stick a fork in that pig and call him luau? SHEESH!

242 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:50:01pm

It's mostly used in the US, BTW. Thought I'd be all cultural... :-)

243 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:51:03pm

#235 RWC - so how's the training on that new, "improved" smallish type keyboard of yours coming, eh?!!!

244 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:52:26pm

And OT:

Just some nice quotes from DU for a good laugh:

We have found over the last year or so that Al Jazeera has been more accurate and truthful than any of the US media. Sure they have a bias, but it's the same bias any "free" press would have.
As for bias, I find their biases less offensive and less overwhelming than Fox's. Occasionally Al Jazeera rivals the BBC, which I regard as a paragon of objective reporting.
True, they are slanted in the direction of Islam. But they provide up close, straight forward, courageous video reports which are obviously true.
245 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:55:31pm

#242 Colt hahahaha. RWC didn't even know what "burn" means, even though it's mostly used in the US!!!!
Hey RWC - how's that first intimation of growing ol, er more mature feel??!!!!!!!!

But, seriously, Colt, how's the studying coming along, hmmm?

246 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:57:43pm

Colt

Hey, just cause I am not a hepcat, doesn't mean I'm not a teenager ;-)

realwest

Normal size at the moment...will be gradually shrinking in T minus 3 hours and counting.

247 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 12:57:55pm

Re CAIR?

Read it and pat Bigel on the back. Not only are the Jews hated, but every single one of us is targetted. I am a heck of a lot older that Bigel, I would wager, and anti-semitism, world wide, is the worst I remember. Israel is the excuse, but even during WWII, there were not so many, while arafart's uncle cozied up with h*****'s boys. We have our share right here where I live, and it is in so much of NY, state-wide. Is there any LGF'er who lives in a state or country that they can attest to being free of it?

THEY HATE ME! THEY REALLY HATE ME!

The headline on the email read "Get Someone Else To Start Your Car." If it hadn't been from a co-worker, I would have deleted it as some bizarre, auto-repair spam.

Instead, I read the attached message, a press release from the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) in Washington, DC. Right away, a few words jumped out at me:

"Anti-Muslim." "Spewing hate." "Bigotry." Oh, and one more: "Michael Graham."

CAIR has just launched a national media campaign, the clumsily named "Hate Hurts America," to combat what they consider "hate radio by conservative talk show hosts." Their press release urges national action and unceasing diligence by Muslims against the "bigotry" of radio, but in the entire three-page document, CAIR only mentions one talk-show host by name.

Lucky me.

Actually, I do consider myself lucky, because I believe that our true character is revealed by the quality of our enemies, and I couldn't be prouder to count the terrorist-coddling CAIR as a foe. I am also lucky because CAIR is so bad at what they do.

What CAIR does is try to portray all criticism of all Muslims everywhere as bigotry. They singled me out because I said on the air (and have said in print as well) that Islam is a uniquely dangerous religion, that the religion itself needs a reformation much like those experienced by Catholicism and Mormonism, and that the one distinguishing attribute of "moderate" Muslims is their reluctance to publicly criticize the actions of the Islamo-fascist extremists who continue to spread terror.

Now, you might agree with me or you might disagree with me, but this is hardly bigotry. "Stating the obvious" is a more apt description. But any criticism from an infidel like yours truly is unbearable to the folks at CAIR, and so they've launched their attack:

"Graham recently made an implicit call for violence against Muslims," CAIR said in their press release. "He said: 'I don't wanna say we should kill 'em all [Muslims], but unless there's reform [within Islam], there aren't a lot of other solutions that work in the ground struggle for survival.'"

Now, you don't have to be a literary critic to see that the folks at CAIR have added a significant word to that quote on their own ("[Muslims]") and that they've added it to a rather significant sentence, "kill 'em all." The reason they had to add the word "Muslim" to begin with is, of course, because I didn't say it.

What I said was that I wanted some solution to the struggle between civilization and the Islamists (the violent, Muslim extremists) other than their obliteration. Unfortunately, at that point in my conversation, I couldn't think of one.

What's worse is that I still can't.

Islam has a problem, a problem with the Islamo-fascists who I'm told by folks like CAIR don't represent "real" Muslims. I point out this problem, and my frustration with the fact that so-called "moderate Muslims" appear to be doing so little to solve it, and I'm a hate-spewing bigot. Meanwhile, mosques in "moderate" countries like Egypt and Pakistan continue to support suicide bombers or, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, give money to terror groups like Hamas and the Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades.

Apparently being a "moderate" Muslims means you only want to kill the Jews.

Then again, what to expect from an organization like CAIR whose executive director, Nihad Awad, has openly expressed support for Hamas and Hizbullah? Or from a group that takes money from the whacko Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia, with their extreme view of Islam and the limited rights of women, homosexuals and non-Muslims?

In fact, the same week CAIR was trying to get me thrown off the air, one of their former employees, Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer, was being thrown in jail. "Ismail" got 20 years in prison for his illegal, terror-related activities in the Virginia Jihad Network, a network he's admitted forming here in the US after September 11th.

What's so frustrating to me is that, if CAIR were truly a moderate organization dedicated to reform, we would be fast friends, not enemies. I think I'm like the vast majority of Americans who know relatively little about Islam, aren't particularly interested in learning much more, but would like to see normal, decent Muslims lead the charge to take back their faith from the Osamas and al-Sadrs and Yassins and Wahabbists of the world. Instead you've got the spokesman for CAIR explaining on my radio show why they support the good Hamas, not the bad one.

If the "Muslim" Martin Luther King appeared today, American Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Scientologists, atheists, Rotarians and even some Democrats would rise to cheer him and offer arms and treasure for his cause. We want the world to be safe. We don't want to live in constant fear that our neighbor's faith is going to make him dangerous to all who don't share it. In other words, we want the Muslim religion to be a little less, well, religious.

Does anyone know the Islamic term for "Unitarian?"

Darn. There goes that "hate speech" again.

248 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:02:31pm

#245 realwest

Pretty good. I've got my first exam in the first week of June, then the remainder at the end of June/beginning of July. I'm fairly confident (my previous marks in my past English papers mean that I only need B/C in my summer exam to finish with an A overall :-).

Unfortunately, I've got a lot of work to do before then and now, so I'll only be making token appearances.

249 realwest  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:02:31pm

Right Wing Conspirator and
Colt
Sorry guys. My Mom says I gotta come home and eat dinner.
See ya round campus - later tonight!!!

250 Colt  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:04:22pm

What the hell is a hepcat? :-)

Normal size at the moment...will be gradually shrinking in T minus 3 hours and counting.

Heheheheh. I'm such a teenager... ;-)

251 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:09:33pm

Judging from Gary England's Doppler 9000X display (it changes fairly often) tornado approaching I-35 and 36th street, heading in general direction E. Wilshire, Spencer and Jones
I do not know my OKC geography, not sure if those are all streets or mixed streets/neighborhoods, hook echo very apparent.

252 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:13:36pm

#250 Colt

Someone who is cool, with it, etc...

#247 NY Nana

I believe that our true character is revealed by the quality of our enemies


I like that a lot :-)

#249 realwest

Cool. I am going to steal a couple of beers from my dads stash. Meet ya'll at the quarry.

253 FreakyBoy  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:15:01pm

Ed:

Just went through some of the biggest hail I've ever seen. Insurance companies are going to be busy.

A usual, partial sun on the backside now.

254 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:26:43pm

Freaky Boy

Channel 5 weather cam shows the ground is white, and I was listening to KTOK radio describing softball sized hail.


Hook echo off to east of Spencer now, KTOK crew reports funnel clouds gets within a few hundred feet of ground beneath wall cloud, dissipates, reforms.

I gotta go. 3 hour seminar in advances in well perforating.

255 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:27:31pm

#250 Colt

I knew someone was going to pick that up.

256 Leah  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:35:58pm

YouALL...Thanks for giving it to Roger bigtime. Never allow the Rogers of the World..to turn the situation upside down.. ie The immoral Fliperoooo. Where did the Good Guys, the White Hats, America and Israel become the Bad Guys and Vise Versa?..Islam and the Pals are all of a sudden nice Good Guys and not the people they actually ARE??????

Islam...not Judiasm...is running around the world, trying to FORCE people into converting. If all sorts of people dont convert or become subservient to Islam..all manner of terrible things happen to them. Islam is the religion not all others..running around the World ...BLOWING people up ....This constitutes..".BLACK HAT..dom. " THEY are the Bad Guys..THEY are the non acceptors of others...THEY are the RACISTS not US. (we are still buzy screaming that Islam is a Religion of Peace) E..GAD...

To paraphrase just a bit..AT LONG LAST...Is there NO REALITY in this World now?

257 Ral  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:36:14pm
He disapproved of Muslim extremism, which has been on the rise in the wake of the U.S. occupation of Iraq last year.

That's simply untrue...oh it's a Reuters story.

258 ted  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 1:42:10pm

Firpo ?

259 mr  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 2:05:18pm

What a relief it must be to the Old Negroes, to learn that somebody else are now the New Negroes!

260 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 2:07:07pm

#252 RWC

That was what really jumped out at me, but I did not highlight it, as in context, it really is a wonderful statement.

What also made me ROFL, in spite of the seriousness of the subject

"Anti-Muslim." "Spewing hate." "Bigotry." Oh, and one more: "Michael Graham."

On the actual article is

Our columnist has PO-ed CAIR. Why not send him a note?

please click here

'Here' is

schmooze@jewishworldreview.com; subject line: THEY HATE ME! THEY REALLY HATE ME!

261 qüark2 ♥ johnson  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 2:36:36pm

@159 ploome hineni

AMEN!

262 Cranial  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 3:35:24pm

Jermaine Jackson singing his "hit" (Paradise In Your Eyes) to Maqtada al Sadr:


Whoa, whoa
Paradise it’s in your eyes
Oh, paradise all in your eyes
Ooh, paradise it’s all in your eyes

Ooh...ooh...ooh...ooh...
Ooh...ooh...ooh...ooh...

Paradise in your eyes
Girl, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you

I see light in your loving eyes
It’s so beautiful to me
When I look at you I’m in heaven
I wanna spend my life with you
‘Cause you got

Paradise in your eyes
Girl, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
Paradise (It’s all in your eyes) in your eyes (Ooh)
Girl, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you

We would be in a garden
Where we can kiss the day away, ooh, hoo, ooh
When you wrap your arms ‘round me, girl
Deep in your love is where I’ll stay
Ooh, you got

Paradise all in your eyes
Girl, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, whoa
Paradise (All in your eyes) in your eyes
Girl, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, ooh, I love you

I told myself that
I’d find someone beautiful like you
There you were in me
Ooh, my paradise is in your eyes.....................

Well you get the idea, the boy is in LOVE, leave him to his wishes, and his 72 VESTAL VIGINS.

263 Ed Moran:Abu Rantisi's Subaru  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 4:33:14pm

Didn't Firpo get knocked through the ropes?

264 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 4:54:23pm

Change 'accused' to 'indicted.'

Oh, Michael, you are so bad.

Bad, Bad...Bad.


D. Edgren

265 transferthem  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 5:32:45pm

Ahh!!! The old 'islam is a religion of peace' mantra!! I guess if we ignore islam's constant utterings to kill all Jews, 9/11, Kenya and Tanzania, Ache, East Timor, Sudan, the un conference to promote racism, algeria, madrid, etc etc etc, then ther might be some argument about islam being a religion of peace.

If, alternatively, we don't ignore all that stuff, there is a good argument that islam is a death cult, not a religion, and that the cult followers wouldn't know peace if john lennon were to appear as an apparition in front of them.

Islam may have once been a religion. Now it's just a death cult which differs little in substance to 1930s german fascism. Islamic prachers are generally ignorant racist bigots who constantly urge violence and murder. If there are any civilised ones they are invisible.

I suggest jermaine goes back to being an overpaid nobody and has a chat with michael about which zoo he'd like to be exhibited in.

266 Here Piggy  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 5:49:52pm

#11 Jeff: Tito screwed up Yugoslavia. You can see what he did to Kosovo. The Jacksons have been messing up the world for some time.

#112 Fiery Celt: You stated that the Muslim Arabs were attacking the black Christians and animists in The Sudan. You forgot to add that the Muslim Arabs decided to dispense with the religious exemption and are now attacking the Black Muslims in the northwest part of The Sudan. [See, equal opportunity bigotry.]

267 Frank IBC  Wed, Apr 21, 2004 7:03:15pm

A Chill Wind

Er, is that what you get when you eat Red Bean Ice Cream?

(Yes, there is such a thing - it's quite popular in Japan.)

#221 Ward Cleaver -

Queen Noor is not King Abdullah's mother. His mother was another wife of King Hussein, from Britain, IIRC.

268 Jed  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 4:23:37am

“I don’t think it is right for us to go to someone else’s country and tell them what to do and how to do it,”

But he is very willing to tell Israel "how to do it."

269 Clutch abu Sticky Tape Johnson  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 2:54:42pm

From Frank Zappa's Broadway The Hard Way" the Michael Jackson send-up, done to the tune of Tell Me You Love Me,

WHY DON'T YOU LIKE ME?"

"He's white, Jim..."

Why don't you like me?
Why don't you like me?
Am I really that bad?
HE'S BAD, HE'S BAD
HE'S BAD, HE'S BAD


"I thing you're a jerk! I'm moving from you!"
"Make me a sandwich."
"I'm moving back to Venice."
"I'll be black."
"He's still white, Jim..."


I hate my mother
I hate my father
I hate my sister
And Jermaine is a negro!
A NEGRO! A NEGRO!
A NEGRO! A NEGRO!


"I thought he looked good -- what happened to you?"
"Please read this pamphlet."
"I'm so BAD!"


You take the monkey, I'll take the llama,
We'll have a party: get me a Pepsi --
Michael is Janet, Janet is Michael --
I'm so confused now --
Who is Diana?


He's oxygenated
His nose is deflated
And he thinks he looks good to you
And he thinks he looks good to you

(I still miss FZ...)


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