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"This is Jihad"

Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 8:04:04 pm PDT

When Westerners are murdered in the name of Islam, Saudis smile and nod approval. When Saudis are murdered in the name of Islam, suddenly it’s a shocking and unsettling crime: Saudis Support a Jihad in Iraq, Not Back Home.

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, April 22 — On Wednesday morning, just hours before a suicide bomber demolished a Saudi police building in downtown Riyadh, the family of a young man was accepting congratulations for his death in the jihad over the border in Iraq, the one that enjoys no small support here.

“He went to Iraq seeking martyrdom because of the recent events there,” Abdullah al-Enezi said of his younger brother Majid, who was training to be a computer technician.

“America’s unjust policy toward the Muslims is the main reason,” Mr. Enezi said by telephone from the family home in Al Kharj, a town just south of Riyadh. “Everyone feels this humiliation; he’s not alone, there are so many young men who wish they could cross over into Iraq to join the jihad, but they can’t. Thank God he was blessed with the ability to go.”

In Saudi Arabia, a strategic ally of the United States, violence against the occupation in Iraq is seen by many as jihad, or a holy struggle, but virtually no one accepts violence as jihad when it unrolls here at home, in the heart of what is supposed to be the most Muslim of countries.

In Iraq, attacks by American troops serve as evidence to some that the United States occupation of a Muslim land must be reversed. Requests for God to avenge American actions pour down from mosque minarets, and some women university students sport Osama bin Laden T-shirts under their enveloping abayas to show their approval for his calls to resist the United States.

But many Saudis consider the attack here on Wednesday a shocking and unsettling crime, especially since the attackers chose for their first major government target an office building that virtually every adult male must visit to collect a license or car plates.

A group calling itself the Brigade of the Two Holy Mosques posted an unverifiable claim of responsibility on two Web sites on Thursday, bragging — in language that closely echoed Al Qaeda’s — that the attack rained devastation on the “criminal, apostate” Saudi government and warning of further strikes. Some viewed the claim as dubious because it did not name the suicide bomber.

The toll rose to five overnight, apart from the bomber, after a police captain died, the Interior Ministry announced. Saudi television also showed a pitched gunfight between security forces and militants in a residential neighborhood in the coastal city of Jidda in which three militants were reported killed.

“May God curse you, you vermin, you people of filth and not jihad,” said a posting on one of the same Web sites where the responsibility claim was posted, adding, in case anyone missed the point, a picture of coffins draped in American flags over the caption, “This is jihad.”

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1 JG  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:06:33pm

What goes around, comes around.

JG

2 dan rudy  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:07:27pm

Pali intellectual wishes he could suicide bomb bush

When I heard what Bush had to say — and I am saying this as a Palestinian intellectual — I wished I could wear an explosive belt around my waist and blow myself up in front of Bush," said Domeh, 44.

I wonder what the not so intellectuals think?

3 Steve in BDA  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:07:47pm

Jihad relativism ... scourge of Islamic fundamentalists everywhere!

4 SoCalJustice  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:10:06pm

Oil. And lots of it.

They can get away with whatever they want.

5 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:14:10pm

The Saudi's made a Faustian bargin with the jihadists whether they know it or not.

With all their wealth they could have turned their nation into a garden in the desert. With their western educations they were exposed to and could learn from the most successful societies in human history. They could have turned their nation into a blossom of enlightenment and human progress.

But no.

That would have been difficult.

That would involve identifying and confronting the evil in their midst.

Instead they mollified their clerics and paid off their radicals. Now they are getting bit in the ass.

The Saudi's have been fools and will suffer a fool's fate.

I give them ten years, tops.

6 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:15:25pm

I'm sorry, but MORE PLEASE. May the hatred they spew come back to consume them.

Don't dish it if ya can't take it, freaques.

7 Barbara Skolaut  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:17:13pm
adding, in case anyone missed the point, a picture of coffins draped in American flags over the caption, “This is jihad.”

Fuck you, you camel-felching bastards.

You want to see jihad? Just keep it up; eventually we'll get fed up with your bullshit and show you what jihad really looks like. And it won't be pretty.

8 RoP reaelly chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:17:43pm

Time to dust off that 70's war plan to take over the Saudi oil fields...the Kingdom is doomed.

9 gymnast  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:19:39pm

This is a pretty good example of the Saudi (and islamic) mindset where life is seen as how the Koran and Mohammed would want it to be rather than how it actually is. These people should be spending 95% of their gross national product on mental health because if they keep going as they are, about 98% of what they have is going to go towards funerals.

10 FH  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:20:11pm

#8

Not yet. We need a little more time to work in Iraq. And Iran needs to be dealt with as well. Saudi Arabia is living on borrowed time.

11 SoCalJustice  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:23:49pm

OT

Sudan massacre documented; Arab militias kill 136.

Rights Group Reports Massacre of 136 Men in Darfur

Darfur, Darfur

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Arab militia and Sudanese government troops were responsible for the massacre of 136 African men in the Darfur region last month, Human Rights Watch charged on Thursday.

The New York-based rights group said it had documented dozens of attacks by Arab militias, known as janjaweed, during a month of research in western Sudan. It said that all but two of the attacks against black Africans were carried out in conjunction with government forces.

"The janjaweed are no longer simply militias supported by the Sudanese government," Kenneth Roth, Human Rights Watch's executive director, said in a statement. "These militias work in unison with government troops, with total impunity for their massive crimes.

Human Rights Watch said the 136 men, all members of the Fur ethnic group aged between 20 and 60, were rounded up on March 5 in two sweeps in Darfur's Garsila and Mugjir areas.

They were then taken in army trucks to nearby valleys where they were made to kneel before being killed with a bullet in the back of the neck, Human Rights Watch said.

12 Kamakazi  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:26:15pm

Kill them, not us. They bad, we good. Why us when Iraqis suffer so at the hands of them. We blow up Iraqis to show them how bad they are. They concour our lands so we must blow up our lands and our people to show them how bad they are. But please, please, please don't blow me up because I am good.

13 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:27:44pm

7

Here's what really bugs me...what's it going to take for the US to really move? To "reawaken the giant" so to speak? Sadly, it's going to take at the very least a repeat of 9/11. I don't want that at all. Are we to suffer death by a thousand tiny cuts instead? This kills me...whatever happened to a formal declaration of war against enemies who attack us? Plausible deniability my foot.

Ugh, OT: watching Frontline right now and Richard Clarke was on (topic is US non-reaction to AlQaeda in the late 90's) and he said how the administration response to the Africa embassy bombings was "Yeah, these people are a problem, but are they worth going to war with?...Maybe this is the cost of doing business in these places." WTF?!!!! And he blames BUSH!?!?! Grrrr.

14 Zed  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:32:14pm

#11 SoCalJustice

It's obvious. The prevailing culture of the Saudi Kingdom cares more about killing Americans than helping their co-religionists. So much for Muslim solidarity...

15 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:44:32pm

10 FH

No way, we transform all the other nasty countries in the region first, THEN tackle the root problem and enrage our new and free (but very skeptical, a la most Iraqis) allies? Ass-backwards. I fully agree with Cox & Forkum on this, but would turn to the root causes...Saudi, Iran, and Syria...all simultaneously and all overwhelmingly. The Saudi/Iranian idealogical ultimate "good" guy (Bin Laden) attempted to strike a crippling blow on 9/11. Time to refer the favor to our real enemy: militant Islam oops I mean Islam...all strains, all sacred cows...Iranian and Saudi. We need to start translating every speech and sermon we hear coming out of the Kingdom, and publishing it in a weekly flier in every major US paper. Who needs propaganda when you can get it straight from the horse's mouth? The more of this crap Americans hear, the sooner this war (on terror) will be over, and the end result will be Muslims suing us for peace...as it should be. They started this, they will surrender first. This needs to be the uncompromising position.

16 RoP really needing to preview  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:47:25pm

Doh! That was a messed up paragraph.

I will not compose when angry.
I will not compose when angry.
I will not compose when angry.

17 HULUGU  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:48:42pm

once again--break up the saudi entity--return occupied mecca and medina to the hashemite rulers of jordan from whom it was stolen--create a quietist shia state in the oil rich eastern province--send the al saud back to screwing camels in dariya or the rub al kali [empty quarter]--restore the al raschid back in riyahd-- tactical nuke asir--tango uniform the wahabbi imams--have a nice day

18 EE  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:51:29pm

The Saudi-Wahhabis, in exporting their death-cult rabid-hatred lusting-for-jihad ideology, have created a Frankenstein monster for the purpose of destroying the West. But unfortunately for them, this Frankenstein monster may be turning on those who sent it on its mission of destruction.

From the radical Islamist point of view, the monster's point of view, there is no better target for jihaditerrorism than the Saudis. They do not have good defenses so they are soft targets. There is a vast fortune in oil revenues waiting for whoever takes over the rule of Saudi Arabia. There is waiting for the conquerors of Saudi Arabia control over the two holy cities, and the two holiest mosques, and control over the haj pilgrimage from all over the world. Attacking the Saudis combines relatively easy victory, with the promise of a vast fortune, and the promise of vast influence in the Muslim world.

Add to that the discrepancy between the very strict lifestyle preached by the Wahhabis, and the decadent lifestyle lived by much of the royal parasites.

I think that the Frankenstein monster is very likely to turn on those who sent it out into the world -- the Saudis -- and for good reason, from the monster's rabid Islamist point of view.

19 Westward Ho  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 6:53:41pm

The house of Saud is in an existential struggle with the Jihadis, If America precipitiously withdraws from Iraq, the military momentum generated by this victory for the Jihadis would certainly topple the House of Saud, once Saudi Arabia is in the hand of Radical Islam the other Gulf states regimes would be easily toppled & Radical Islam would triumphantly roar from it's birthplace to the Ummah that the new caliphate has been born & that the millenia long political wet dream is well on it's way to realization. Such are the stakes for America ( actually for the world but no one else is ready to do anything ).
Win this battle or the peninsula will be Khomenised ( Sunni style ).

20 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 7:00:16pm

Man, the strategy has got to be heavier. We withdraw from Iraq and the Arab street is pacified. If anything, we need to keep on pressing the attack. The Arab/Iranian jihadis are so predictable in their methods (shooting standing up, running at you) that it'll force their hand.

21 patrickafir  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 7:11:09pm

What—no effusive outpouring of euphoria, no passing out of sweets, no freshly minted jihadi trading cards when the splodeydopes come home to roost? C'mon, Saudi Arabia, you've gotta root for the home team!

22 Model4  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 7:19:27pm

#20 RoP really chappin' my hide: Yep, and force their hand at a national level. Be so unapologetic about what we're doing for our own security, that no one can pretend not to notice it. Whatever needs to be done to secure Israel from Jordyptian terror, do it. When the seethers back home see that their governments aren't going to do a damn thing about it but wag their jaws, it will be very demoralizing. That, or make the jihadis turn on these governments in larger numbers, forcing the despots to fight for their lives against the monsters they created.

BTW, notice this was in the New York Times?! A good sign. If the left gives up on whitewashing for the jihadis, it'll be a massive move in our favor. Actually my suspicion is they're gearing up for the "Bush protects the terrorists in SA" angle, which would be fabulous. Because it gets the Dems on record for wanting to act against them, then the GOP just has to swing in and agree we need to act.

23 Julia the Horrible  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:05:58pm

#22 model 4 Every so often the NYT comes through with a good article. They had one in the Magazine some time back about a former Wahabbist who changed his colors and how he found himself on the outs.

I was a college student when Aramco was still pumping oil out of Saudi Arabia. My boyfriend's father was an American executive with Aramco. His mother was Jordanian. He grew up in in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.

I learned a lot from him about the situation in the Middle East, as he was a Foreign Affairs major at UVA. He spoke fluent Arabic and French.

One thing I do remember clearly: he spoke of his visits to Israel and the surrounding countries. He said that on a street where Jews and arabs lived, if there were children born in the same week, they were considered brothers, and their mothers suckled one another's children interchangeably.

So different from now.

Shalom.

Julia

24 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:06:18pm

What #18 EE said.

25 rebTEX  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:32:15pm

Have ya'll ever had a cat that was ALWAYS under foot? ....And when life gave you a bowl of turds, that cat seemed to be snickering?.....Did it walk around, as though on a higher level than you?....And then one day, that cat sat TOO CLOSE to the rocker .....and got it's tail mashed?.....do you remember the SQUEAL?
I hope the saudi fat cats continue to squeal.....they deserve it for all the times they chuckled at us!
And may their oil wells and their wives wombs dry up !!!!!!!!!!

26 J.D.  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:44:02pm
27 rebTEX  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:48:42pm

#26 J D
WOW, what a deal!
Reminds me of trying to convert pesos into dollars 20 years ago!
$45.00 for 25,000 dinars seems like a good deal!
Too bad it's worthless here.

28 Pickle  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 8:57:19pm

Bereft of other targets, the zombies eat themselves.

29 PDM  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 9:13:20pm
some women university students sport Osama bin Laden T-shirts under their enveloping abayas to show their approval for his calls to resist the United States.

LOL. What a great way to get the T-shirt noticed and make a statement... by wearing it under an abaya.
You see? Muslim women do have freedom of expression, just as long as they keep it to themselves.

30 Geepers  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 9:24:55pm

PDM (#29),

Geez. Talk about dumb. Those girls won't even register:

Device to measure one's stupidity

The device to measure whether the person is stupid or clever, looks simple: two thick steel wires attached to the fur cones on one side and to spiral on another side.

Using stupiditymeter is simple.

Thank heavens for that.

31 Loyd Dobbler  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 9:37:51pm

Reason #342 not to buy an SUV. I'm sure it makes me another "LGF hate monger" as the left would see it, but I have to admit this made me giggle.

32 PDM  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 10:04:18pm

#30 Geepers,

It's easy to spot the really smart Muslim girls. They wear LGF T-shirts over their abayas.

33 Jimbo  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 10:29:45pm

There is an interesting contrast between the external face of Islam as presented by its publicists and apologists in the non-Muslim world as a persecuted and misunderstood religion of 'peace', and its internal face. The former is exemplified in the recent UN Resolution quoted a few days ago in LGF ("the report of the Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism entitled ‘Situation of Muslim and Arab peoples in various parts of the world’"). Its own internal and (mis)understandings toward the 'non-Muslim and non-Arab peoples in various parts of the world' is quite different and goes a long way toward explaining just why many people in those” various parts of the world" have such a negative attitude toward Islam and Muslims. This NYT article is an interesting peek at that internal face of Islam. As an American who supports the effort to help give birth to a free Iraq, it is impossible not to feel threatened by people with such a contorted and uncomprehending mind-set.

The “Situation” that many Muslim and Arab peoples find themselves in, is all too often self-inflicted, and quite frankly is a very understandable and often justified response to the worst of Islamist aggression and fear of discrimination on the part of Muslims should Islam ever come to dominate any new part of the world.

34 pantat  Thu, Apr 22, 2004 11:08:24pm

*yawn*

same tired story. What complete and utter pussies that cannot take thier own medicine. I would have had respect for them if they stood tall, but they cower for thier own pathetic, miserable lives.

I wish we could do more of this type of thing to them. What if the world found out that we paid Saudis to commit suicide bomber plots throught Riyadh?

Would we get the same compassion as the Paleo verminous trash?

Oh, right, its only ok if you play the berueaved minority role.

35 TheLoneCabbage  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 3:12:16am

Charles is my Hero!

And by the way. I ride mine in Israel!

(notice the blue and white, Iraeli Independence Day is comming soon!)

36 abc  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 6:58:48am

Every day that Bush does nothing to these jackals is a day that further convinces me he is a traitor. He's as bad as Kerry.

37 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 7:52:45am

#30 Geepers 4/22/2004 11:24PM PST:

Device to measure one's stupidity

Don't mock it, it works! To measure a persons stupidity just offer this device for sale.

I'm sure it will sell. Human stupidity is so endless. In 1979, some Iranian women believed they could benefit from the Islamic revolution and were stabbed into the back, though they already could have expected this from the Algerian experience.

38 EE  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 8:55:35am

Part of an article by Fareed Zakaria, in Newsweek, April 12, 2004.

Terrorism today doesn't need government backing because it is fueled by three broad forces: the openness of free societies, the easy access to technologies of violence, and a radical, global ideology of hatred...
Militant, political Islam has brainwashed thousands of young Musliims around the world who believe it is their duty to fight against the modern world..
For years Saudi Arabia and Pakistan funded radical Islamists as a way of gaining legitimacy. (In the Pakistani case, the government also trained Kashmiri terrorists.) But now Islamic terrorism has become a Frankenstiein's monster that has turned on the regimes that nurtered them.
The Saudi and Pakistani cases show that once yhou nurture radical ideologies, they become uncontrollable, even to the states that created them.

Fareed Zakaria makes some good points. Relevant to the Islamist terrorism that we witness in Saudi Arabia just recently, and the Islamist terrorism that has sought to get rid of Pakistan's leader, the world sees that
once you nurture radical ideologies, they become uncontrollable, even to the states that created them.

39 squeak51  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 9:39:02am

Screw Saudi Arabia & their oil. We will have a new source from the ME soon enough. The next great source: Israel Zion Oil & Gas Co...
"... an oil company and purchased leases in a specific place in Israel. It is a in a location that is very much a part of some important prophecies in the Old Testament. ... founded the Zion Oil and Gas Company as the result of studying prophecies God proclaimed to two of the sons of the Patriarch Jacob. " this is from: Link to WND article
next... Oil in the Holy Land - Israel's Ace in the Hole
Link to this story

40 Left Creeps like a Wedgie  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 9:57:46am

Windmills to top new Nobel Peace Center

"Alfred Nobel promoted new thinking and use of technology," jury leader Per Gunnar Tverbakk told newspaper Aftenposten. He noted that the operation of a windmill can also be seen as a metaphor for the peace process.

Or, maybe just a goat rope.

41 Menachem  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 11:35:55am

Good for the slimy Saudi fucks! If the Saudi government would only show it's true colors and reveal itself to be the bunch of America, women and Jew hating bastards that it really is, it might give us a reason to t4ransform the country into what it really should be; a glass paking lot littered with the bodies if it's former inhabitants!

42 its jake  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 1:40:49pm

How did that one slip through the Sleezeberger Cognitive Filter?

43 its jake  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 1:42:07pm

Oh Look! It's PM Menachem Bigel!

44 Thom™  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 1:50:12pm

#40 Left Creeps like a Wedgie

He noted that the operation of a windmill can also be seen as a metaphor for the peace process.

LOL. Does he mean tilting at them, or the endless spinning going nowhere?

45 EE  Fri, Apr 23, 2004 6:09:58pm

From the point of view of the radical Islamists, there is a certain logic to declaring a jihad against the rule of the House of Saud. I am not referring to the immoral way of waging a jihad -- by terrorism -- in our time; just the declaration of jihad against the House of Saud.

First of all, if the radical Islamists want to establish a caliphate, as do all those behind the khalifa movement, they will need a headquarters for the caliph, whose word would be accepted as the agent of Allah. What better place for a Muslim caliph to be issuing his words of authority than one or both of the holiest places of Islam -- Mecca and/or Medina? Wouldn't that be the ideal place to establish the authority of the caliph?

Secondly, the radical Islamists want to influence all of the ummah to its cause. And the best time to do that would be before they seriously take on the kaffir world, which will be difficult to conquer. If the radical Islamists take over the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, they will have control over the haj pilgrimage, which would give them a means of influencing all of the ummah that goes on haj.

Thirdly, the radical Islamists have the need for funding their operations. If they took over the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, which is the largest proven deposits of oil reserves in the world, they can get the income from selling that oil. That would give them vastly more income than they can get at present.

Fourthly, the royal House of Saud mostly lives a decadent life, ignoring the strict way of life that the Wahhabi preachers demand of every Muslim. The royal House of Saud live lavish wealthy lifestyles, that must grate on those Arabs and Muslims who must live a life of poverty, and must grate on almost all Arabs and Muslims. That means that deposing the royal House of Saud will reap political dividends among the ummah.

So while the Saudis point the jihadis toward fighting the Americans, I can't help noticing that the jihadis have their most juicy target right in the land of the two holy mosques, and the two holy cities, and the fabulous oil wealth of the Arabian peninsula under the land that the al-Sauds seized by means of warfare.


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