OT already.Jerusalem Post on Iranian Meddling

Fisk gives loons a bad name.

I tried googling Eamonn Dunphy (I think that's what his name is) but couldn't find anything too useful. Any Brits care to fill me in on him?

Who was the guy hammering Fisk?

And that host needs to take lessons from O'Reilly the Bloviatron™ on how to control your guests. It was embarrassing to watch.

He didn't like being accused of blood libel, but accused straight up of being a blatant liar, that he didn't protest. He couldn't.

The fiskie-boy wrote a column last week in which he identified Rachel Corrie's cousin as her mother. Oops. And he claimed that Corrie's death was videotaped by the ISM. Oops. He's full of, well...

cold-busted.

Wow. Fisk is threatening a lawsuit at the end there, because the other guy accused him of blood libel? Uh...Bobby? How about those Jenin accusations, huh? Mind actually answering the question?

He called the interviewer a racist for accusing him (truly) of making a blood libel. I don't think I get it. It makes no sense.

Also, he doesn't deny his Jenin lie, but is angered at the suggestion that he blames the Jews for the troubles in the ME.

Did I miss something?

Perhaps I should see the video again.

Puzzled,
+Photi

BTW: He is truly a monster. That much is clear.

#3 Tasty Beverage:

Who was the guy hammering Fisk?

I caught "Eamonn" something like "dumpy", so I googled Eamonn and "Robert Fisk" and came back with "Eamonn Dunphy." But the links were mostly to Fisk love-sites or nothing very informative.

I guess I'm going to have to wait until the Brits wake up tomorrow. I hope by the time I get back online I'll have 10 different people giving me answers!

so, calling what Robert Fisk does to Israel and Jews in ALL his articles, 'blood libel' is a racist comment, according to that POS!

Fisk is an inversion

feh

OT: CNN announces new "high level" military analyst - codename "minigun".

No link yet.

Loved how in the end they chimed in on unison how the US would be worse off. They couldn't let a little blood libel accusation get in the way of crapping on the good 'ol U-S-A.

Hmm, according to the BICOM web site (about half way down the page), the good guy isn't Eamonn anything, it's international law expert Tom Cooney
[Link: www.bicom.org.uk...]

Off to google "international law expert Tom Cooney" :)

Fisk certainly deserves being made into the verb he has become.

... If you caught the question at the end, where Fisk says it will make the American position in the ME untenable, this is good news.

Basically whatever Fisk says, the opposite occurs. Iraq will come out ok.

Um, huh?

"How dare you call me a blood libel! You are making a racist comment."

I recommend remedial work - soon.

His sidekick appears equally retarded. LMFAO!

#9 cba

Thanks. I also heard the name "Tom" several times.

D'oh! Just saw your #14 cba.

#12 anotherKevin:

CNN announces new "high level" military analyst - codename "minigun".

LOL!

We must be sure to sic reaganite on him... or maybe evariste (who has the advantage of being connected to the Internet).

Well,

here's the article Fisk screams is being misquoted.

Why doesn't Colin Powell go to Jenin? What has happened to the world's moral compass – indeed to the United States – when America's most famous ex-general, the Secretary of State of the most powerful country on earth, on a supposedly desperate mission to stop the bloodshed in the Middle East, fails to grasp what is taking place in front of his nose? The stench of decaying corpses is wafting out of the Palestinian city. The Israeli army is still keeping the Red Cross and journalists from seeing the evidence of the mass killings that have taken place there. "Hundreds'' – on Israel's own admission – have died, including civilians. Why, for God's sake, can't Mr Powell do the decent thing and demand an explanation for the extraordinary, sinister events that have taken place in Jenin?

A couple of things I found about/by Tom Cooney:

[Link: www.amitiesquebec-israel.org...]

[Link: www.brothersjudd.com...]

#21 tomme:
All sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If you think there's any hint of a blood libel in that, you're clearly a racist.
/member of the race of Fisk

A shameless propagandist is called on his outrageous lies and cries racism!!!" Nice. Why am I not surprised?

#23 CBA: Well, the fact that I'm posting at LGF makes me a racist by default. And the fact that I'm using words like "the" and "and," words everyone knows were used by Nazis everyday, makes me one of them as well.

/Democratic Underground

WRONG! All these far out leftists are the biggest loons going and dish out the slanderous over the top names like water!!

One example take Fisk's "good friend" and Marxist compatriot who often cites Fisk's books, Norman Finkelstein. Norman ambushed Dershowitz on
the Democracy Now NPR program with Amy Goodman

The book is a complete and 'utter' fraud

THE EXPERIMENT - Finkelstein Ambushes Dershowitz

They’re such contemptible crooks. I figure, what the heck, I’m not going to be afraid of this guy. So I kept saying to him..."
Alan Dershowitz, he’s a lawyer," and this and that, and inside of two minutes, for those of you who’ve seen the video, somebody said they almost saw a tear in his eye. (??) He was so pathetic. He’s such a complete fraud. Don’t be so afraid of these people.

A leftist would parse the fact that Fisk was so insulted and say let's analyze it and what you said... and then say something like... "I'm sorry but it falls into the category of a definite libel and it does involve blood, so one would have to conclude it is a blood libel"

I saw Norman Finkelstein say that Jenin in 2002 was the the equivalent of Warsaw Ghetto uprising. (Normy said that)

What's amazing to me is how much Fisk's annoying mannerisms are very similar to Finkelstein's. Its like these Marxist nerds are all alike and pick up each's mannerisms.

The host of that show was a complete spineless joke!!

More choice quotes from the article (thanks for the link, tomme):

But of course, the purpose of Mr Powell's idleness was to allow enough time for Jenin to be turned to ashes. Mission, I suppose, accomplished.

As Israel's indisciplined soldiery yesterday continued to hide their deeds from the outside world by preventing the Red Cross, aid workers, ambulances and journalists from entering the rubble of Jenin, Mr Powell was sitting idly by in Israel, calling for the "utmost restraint'' from an army that has not yet finished filling the mass graves of Jenin.

Mr Sharon's soldiers were running amok in Jenin

The Al Aqsa Brigades or Hamas or Islamic Jihad clearly intend to ensure that Mr Sharon's ruthless operation fails

But let's pause for a quick journey down memory lane; to September 1982, when Ariel Sharon was "rooting out the network of terror" in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut. Before sending Israel's murderous Phalangist militia allies into the camps, Mr Sharon told the world that the Palestinians had assassinated the Phalangist leader, Bashir Gemayel. This was totally untrue, but the Phalange believed him. And evidence is now emerging in Beirut that, long after the Americans had called for Israel to withdraw the killers from the camp, the Israeli army, commanded by then Defence Minister Sharon, handed more than 1,000 survivors over to those same murderers to be slaughtered over the following two weeks

Nah, no blood libel there, how dare anyone suggest such a thing.

To clarify... the quotes above were NOT contiguous.

Attention Brits (and other Europeans): You're not going to get anywhere on any meaningful social issues if you allow people to escape debate by claiming racism. Now we were a bit weak-kneed about it back in the states not terribly long ago too, but look at the history we've had to overcome. But man, it never got to the ridiculous levels you've taken things! What the hell did race have to do with that guy's comments directed toward Fisk? We had some French idiot accuse Americans who dislike them of being racist the other day, and no one here was having any of it. Collectively you guys know diddly-squat about combating racism, while it remains a bigger problem in Europe than here.

Agree with the abysmal job the fence post moderator was doing. But it did look like a good setup for a debate.

Robert Fisk needs to be locked in a padded room. Phucking POS that he is.

Actually though, couldn't the case be made that "blood libel" was over the top? Don't get me wrong, among other thing's Fisk is an anti-Semitic bastard, and his fiction gussied up as reporting was damnable. Sharon eating babies? Sure. Massacres? Horrible, but I'm thinking not blood libel. Could be the guy's disgust for Fisk getting the better of him, not the best thing that can happen.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Europeans are itching for a fight, and are forced to take it out on each other. It's human nature, as strife and the need for challenges are always with us. The combination of nanny-statism and pc makes it unlikely the impulses will be channeled in ways that are healthy for the individual or the society.

Well boys and girls, there's a big ol' War on Terror waiting for you (current contributions appreciated as they are), Africa to fix, and China to keep an eye on. Come on in, the water's fine, and you'll feel better for having joined in.

BTW, Amy Goodman the host of Democracy Now is also shilling for Jean Betran Aristide and Indymedia!!!

READ AND WATCH THE VIDEO!
The Indymedia War and Peace Trilogy DVD includes:

Part scathing critique, part call to action, dependent Media In A Time Of War"a hard-hitting new documentary by the Hudson Mohawk Independent Media Center"www.hm.indymedia.org" This film is composed of a speech given by Amy Goodman, host of Democracy Now! illustrated by clips of mainstream media juxtaposed with rare footage from independent reporters in Iraq.

The documentary argues that dialogue is vital to a healthy democracy. "Independent media has a crucial responsibility to go to where the silence is," says Amy Goodman, "to represent the diverse voices of people engaged in dissent." She makes a compelling argument that the commercial news media have failed to represent the "true face of war."
Running Time: 29:00

DEFYING WASHINGTON: HAITI'S ARISTIDE RETURNS TO THE CARIBBEAN In a Democracy Now! Broadcast Exclusive, Amy Goodman Travels With Aristide and Chronicles the Inside Story of this Historic Trip

On March 14-15, 2004, Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman flew with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his wife Mildred as they made their historic return to the Caribbean. This was a trip the Bush administration did not want to happen. Aristide was accompanied by a delegation led by US and Jamaican lawmakers who chartered a Gulfstream jet to escort him back to the Western Hemisphere. The delegation was made up of Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA); Randall Robinson, TransAfrica founder and close friend of the Aristides; Sharon Hay-Webster, Jamaican MP who was representing her prime minister and the Caribbean Community (CARICOM); and Ira Kurzban, Aristide's Miami-based lawyer. Washington Post reporter Peter Eisner was also with the group. From every stop of the journey, Amy filed detailed reports by satellite phone and she conducted the only on camera broadcast interview Aristide has granted since his removal from Haiti.

VIDEOS AVAILABLE THERE AS WELL

Mary Robinson, takes issue with Tom Cooney

#27 cba

Great Job! Thanks for the good work.

I really liked how the Tom Cooney was cool, calm, and collective. He said what needed to be said, the truth, and Fisk, similar to a Palestinian car swarm, began to seeth and lost it...why? Because he knows its true.

An army at war has no reason to let journalists and ambulances enter a battle zone. That would be unethical because it can only lead to more inoccent people getting caught up in the crossfire. But to FISK the Israelis where doing so because they where attempting a cover-up of mass killings. The FISK has been proved wrong...and a blood libel. Also, not how he accuses the Israelis of not letting journalists into Jenin, and at the same time, he writes as if he was there as a 1st person witness. What a moron. I bet you he gets under the table money from Arafish.

Model4, "blood libel" might be a bit OTT, but I think a case can ge made for it... look at some of the quotes from the article that I posted in #27 (tomme links to it in #21).

"...a case can be made..." (but you knew that, didn't you?)

#33 ploome:

Mary Robinson takes issue with Tom Cooney

No! Say it ain't so!

Next thing you'll tell me is that Kofi takes issue with Tom Cooney...

Another thing I find appalling is that The Independent continues to employ Fisk after he wrote these lies about Jenin. It is a very poor reflection on this newspaper.

If I did this poor a job in my line of work, I'd be fired. Rightfully so.

31 Model4

what would you consider blood libel?

that Jews were slaughtering women and children and throwing them into mass graves?

or do these slaughtered women and children have to be exsanguinated and/or eaten?

what IS the blood libel anyway?

[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

Blood libel accusations against Jews:
In 1144 CE, an unfounded rumor began in eastern England, that Jews had kidnapped a Christian child, tied him to a cross, stabbed his head to simulate Jesus' crown of thorns, killed him, drained his body completely of blood, and mixed the blood into matzos (unleavened bread) at time of Passover.

"Holy shrines were erected to honor innocent Christian victims, and well into the twentieth century, churches throughout Europe displayed knives and other instruments that Jews purportedly used for these rituals. Caricatures of hunchbacked Jews with horns and fangs were depicted in works of art and carved into stone decorating bridges. Proclaimed by parish priests to be the gospel truth, each recurrence of the blood libel charge added to its credence, thus prompting yet more accusations. This vicious cycle continued to spiral." 7

Nicholl reports that "there are 150 recorded cases of the charge of ritual murder, and many led to massacres of the Jews of the place."

so there you have it

was Jenin a blood libel?

is calling Sharon a 'butcher' and showing Sharon the Jew eating an arab child, blood libel?

Model4

Yes it is blood libel. His language is clear.
1st he accuses the Israelis of mass murder
2nd he accuses them of attempting to cover it up
3rd he accuses them of digging mass graves
And he does so AS A JOURNALIST
blood libel, clear as daylight.

#35 cba: I did look at them, and am not claiming to speak with any authority on the issue. Still, same as no one should diminish the Holocaust, it's probably not good to equate false charges of massacre with false charges of murdering in order to dine on people's blood as part of a religious ceremony. I'm just sayin'...

Tactically it didn't play out well either. Probably turned off some in the audience he'd been winning over just by the shocking nature of the charge, warranted or not. I mean there's stuff we've all hashed out here to the point that I can go a few levels deeper than I could in a conversation with a stranger without it sounding like I'd just come out of a spaceship to the poor guy. Besides, it brought whatever progress they were making to a screeching halt while Fisk whined about his most recent crucifiction. Err, not that he wouldn't have conceivably stalled for whatever other reason.

What I'm trying to say is that Fisk is a ****.

#41 Model4:

What I'm trying to say is that Fisk is a ****.

I would say "prick" myself, but otherwise totally agree with that comment!

more TOm Cooney

[Link: www.amitiesquebec-israel.org...]

The assertion by the Palestinian delegate to Ireland that Israel's presence on the disputed territories amounts to an "illegal occupation" is unsound. "Occupation" means the presence of a state's army in another sovereign state's territory.

No sovereign state had title to the West Bank or Gaza when Israel captured them in 1967. They had been part of Mandatory Palestine. In 1947 the UN recommended the partition of Mandatory Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state.

The disputed territories should have been integrated into a new Arab state when Britain abandoned the Mandate. That state did not emerge because Arab states repudiated the plan.

In 1948, Arab states tried to liquidate the nascent Israel. Egypt and Jordan seized Gaza and the West Bank, respectively. This annexation was illegal. In 1967 the Arab states tried again to liquidate Israel. In self-defence Israel took control of these stateless territories.

Israel has a right to hold these lands until its enemies sign a final treaty of peace

ploome, AU: I'm not qualified to say, but maybe how it struck me is useful to extrapolate how it struck others. To me and my limited exposure to Judaism and Jewish history, blood libel ultimately involves murder with the sinister need of Jews to consume the blood of non-Jews. I've got no firm ground to stand on regarding this, just relating what the phrase evokes in my mind. Were the case that overly simplified to other viewers, could you see how the phrase might appear over-the-top, even if it was really accurate?

Just tossing out ideas and impressions here, not trying to be authoritative.

Wasn't Robert Fisk the guy who got beaten by someone in Afghanistan? And then wrote an article talking about how he deserved to be beaten? I seem recall this in Mark Steyn's repertoire.

Model4:
OK, so you're saying that the article a couple of years ago in the SA paper claiming that Jews put blood in Hamantaschen is a true blood libel, but Fisk's article portraying Israelis as bloodthirsty, indiscriminate murdering duplicious bastards is just a vicious lying article, not blood libel?

RegT:
Yes.

The one thing he's ever written that I could agree with--if I'd been there and had had the opportunity, I might have beaten him up, too.

:)

Tom Cooney is a deeply perceptive man. He has chosen his words carefully and correctly. Robert Fisk libels Israel every time he misreports an IDF operation, accuses them of murders they did not commit, lionises terrorists to fit his preconception of a Jewish state or describes them in blatantly false terms such as apartheid. His objection to the fact that he did not present the blood libel does make sense. And underlines the fact that his only defense is stopping short of the classic antisemitism he has learned so well to avoid. However Fisk is a class of antisemitism apart and has spawned a new generation of antisemites in the media and on the streets not to mention bolstered Jew hatred across the Arab world. I had the dubious pleasure of meeting a friend of his who has been lecturing on Israel for over thirty years but never been there. The man was holding an Israeli flag painted blood red. The transference of the blood libel from Jews to Israel is complete. This in my town centre, from where I was sent packing by an enormous socialist with the charming roar 'YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!' Thank you, Robert Fisk. See you in hell.

Fisk should have used "Sure (tm)" deoderant.

Never let 'em see you sweat.

#46 cba: I'm saying I don't know, first and foremost! I was under the impression that saying that being Jewish causes one to kill non-Jews to dine on their blood was an essential part of a blood libel. As a point of reference, it may well have happened, but I don't remember anyone here referring to either the Jenin or Phalanges lies as "blood libels" before, and am all but sure it wasn't common in the discussions. There've been many IDF raids where Jordyptians have been killed, where it's been falsely claimed that the Israelis murdered them on purpose, but I don't hear this being called "blood libel" by LGFers.

I'd also say that "indiscriminate" goes against my picture of the libel, as it seems to be "the scheming skulking jew very deliberately selecting their victims." Not rolling into town and wiping out everyone.

'Toon of Sharon eating baby, blood libel. The one you mentioned from SA sounds like it too.

just a vicious lying article

I'd add evil, anti-Semitic, dangerous incitement too. Beyond that I don't know, but can only say it doesn't fit my limited understanding of blood libel.

He accused Robert Fisk of writing those horrible things on April 16th, 2002. That is a LIE!! He wrote them on April 14, 2002.

good video, but what it lacked was a good old-fashioned attack on Fisk with a chair, Geraldo-style. They could have then cut to commercial, and returned to show a dazed Fisk stumbling around the studio with the familiar white bandages on his head, as he wore in his Afghanistan heyday. Bonus points to fisk for his reflexive, nonsensical use of the "race card", a tried and true leftist debating tactic here in the US. For his next trick, I expect Fisk to explain how being called a liar is an attack on his racial classification. Or not.

cba

You and Model4 are on the same page. When non-Jews hear the term blood libel, many people tend to think of the specific example, not the general idea: i.e., blood for matzoh, not Jews-as-crazy-indiscriminate-killers. That's also why it strikes so many here as incredible that Fisk dared to call Cooney's allegations a "blood libel". It's just so fucking ridiculous---an anti-Semite accusing his accuser of making a "blood libel" allegation??

!!!???!!!

And even if one approaches the topic from a blood libel=Jews-as-crazy-mofo-killaz, Robert POS Fisk's stating that Cooney's accusation is equivalent to a blood libel is just as outlandish as the other interpretation.

Fisk is such a fucking Jew-hating tool.

#53 Tasty Beverage: I didn't hear it like that (and don't want to play it again tonight). Don't recall Fisk accusing anyone of making a blood libel claim, just objecting vehemently and prissily that anyone dare accuse him of it. But maybe he did during all the to'in and fro'ing and I missed it. He's enough of an ass to have.

#54 Model4

You know what? I just watched it again and you're right, it wasn't Fisk who called Jenin a "blood libel", it was Cooney. And I suppose if you look at the whole media frenzy around Jenin in the manner of Jewz-as-crazy-killaz, he's right.

But yes, Fisk (explosively) reacted to Cooney's making a blood libel claim.

Although methinks the screechings were the result of a guilty conscience.

it wasn't Fisk who called Jenin a "blood libel"

I can't believe my mis-typings.

It should read:

It wasn't Fisk who brought up the idea of Jenin as a "blood-libel"

I hope that clears things up.

sorry.

#56 Tasty Beverage: LOL, my post was "right, but not quite right" too. Was thinking "How do I clarify this? The one guy did accuse it, and was accused for accusing the first guy of it, and..." Hehehehe. Just decided to let it stand and hope for a little grace. If I've confused anyone who hasn't watched the video, please check it out.

#57 Model4

LOL me too!

Tonight's just not my night. Time for bed.

What an ass. Nuff said.

Hubert #5

There is an ISM videotape of Rachel Corrie's death and it proves she was not protecting a doctor's house--another lie. Look for it on the [Link: www.dafka.org...] website in coming weeks.

is that how leftists debate ? with threats and and shouting people down

Tom Cooney on the "occupation" -- Very enightening!

But Google was NO help at all!

---

PLO's war lacks the flame of moral or legal justification

Most Palestinian deaths in the conflict are combatants while most Israeli casualties are non-combatants, writes Tom Cooney.

Ali Halimeh's account (November 4th ) of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict bullies the truth through a PLO propaganda sieve.

The assertion by the Palestinian delegate to Ireland that Israel's presence on the disputed territories amounts to an "illegal occupation" is unsound. "Occupation" means the presence of a state's army in another sovereign state's territory.

No sovereign state had title to the West Bank or Gaza when Israel captured them in 1967. They had been part of Mandatory Palestine. In 1947 the UN recommended the partition of Mandatory Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state...

Dunphy doesn't seem to be too popular in Ireland, it would appear:

TV3 Scraps Dunphy Show
05/12/03: TV3 has scrapped the Friday night Dunphy Show after the chatshow flopped in the ratings

The station said it was "impossible" to continue broadcasting the show because of current marketplace conditions.

TV3 stated: "The enormous licence fee increases in the last two years have had a massive negative impact on the opportunity to invest in Irish programming by independent broadcasters like TV3.

"TV3 has long sought a fair, competitive and regulated environment that will be attractive to private investment in indigenous programming. That has not occurred."

However RTE countered that TV3 was endeavouring to blame RTE's programming skills for the TV3's failure to deliver indigenous programmes.

[Link: www.bizplus.ie...]

Is there a transcript of this video online somewhere?

fisk is a pro islamofascist, pro arab antisemitic nobody jounalist. I hope he joins rachel ugly flat bitch corrie under an Israeli bulldozer. His words drip with innocent Jewish blood.

67 bigel

YAWN

GAZE

#67 bigel

Which studies show conclusively that most of Britain hates Jews? Please provide some links. Or are you just guessing?

OT: Police continue clampdown 7000 Picked Up in Four Days (The New Age, Bangladesh)

The police continued their clampdown on the Awami League activists and interrogation of Dhaka-bound passengers at bus and launch terminals, and railway stations.

And from another article on same page:

“The Awami League has announced to overthrow the government in three days. Overthrowing an elected government is unconstitutional and seditious,” Health and Family Welfare Minister Khandaker Mosharraf Hossain told New Age Friday when he was asked about the indiscriminate arrests.

#22 cba - Great links. Never heard of Tom Cooney, but I'll watch his articles. Barbara Amiel is another sane voice in the UK.

Apparently, blood libel is the myth that Jews killed young children and used their blood to make matzo balls. I could be wrong, though.

Marilyn Monroe, when having Friday night dinner with her in-laws after marrying Arthur Miller:
"Delicious! But do you eat any other part of the matzo?"

[Yes, I know it's apocryphal... ]

Hey, guess who's getting an honorary doctorate!

Robert Fisk -Journalist. Middle East Correspondent with The Independent – Doctor of Laws

What a [beep] hero. And what leftie suckhole from St Andrews University is responsible? Please CONTACT THEM.

Hey, guess who's getting an honorary doctorate!

Robert Fisk -Journalist. Middle East Correspondent with The Independent – Doctor of Laws

What a [beep] hero. And what leftie suckhole from St Andrews University is responsible? Please CONTACT THEM.

Hey, guess who's getting an honorary doctorate!

Robert Fisk -Journalist. Middle East Correspondent with The Independent – Doctor of Laws

What a [beep] hero. And what leftie suckhole from St Andrews University is responsible? Please CONTACT THEM.

You guys are right lets call an end to the use of the racism card. That by the way includes an end to Israelis and friends of Israel brandishing the anti-Semitism card during debates about Palestinians' rights. How can sticking up for the rights of Palestinians be anti-Semitic anyway? Palestinians are Semites as are other Arabs.

Dunphy, you will perhaps know by now is not British and he is not as some would say a good talk show host. He is a former international footballer, a jounalist and sports pundit. He ghost wrote Roy Keane's autobiography. Who he, I hear you say.? He is a fearsome guy who was at the centre of a huge scandal in the Far East two years ago involving the Germans, a group of people from the Cameroon and Saudi Arabia. And this guy is about to start making headlines again pretty soon. Start googling his name right now. You won't be sorry.

#77 Fenian Boy

A good place to re-start your education would be to learn the etymology of the word anti-semitism. {Hint: it's a euphemism for Judenhass, if you sprechen zee Deutsch.}

Model: When you accuse Jews of killing others..one or many and they*** didnt do it..thats called BLOOD LIBEL. (POLITICAL TERM) You dont have to have huge numbers involved but in Jenin..happens that numbers make an appearance there. Course the more numbers the better..or WHO you kill...(like you said)...

It would work the same way if you accused AMERICA of killing people..one or many and WE didnt (A FALSE CHARGE OF MURDER TO HURT THE GROUP). Its called..LIBEL..when Murder is accused..it is called BLOOD LIBEL. Thats it and the Classic definition WILL stay that way.

Short and Sweet...charge of murder (to deligitimize and stain the group)=chargee didnt do it=BLOOD LIBEL.

Thom my educational advisor could you not have tried using English?

Oh you funny Germans!

The word anti-Semitism is an example of semantic disorder. It should be extended to cover all Semites.

#81 Fenian Boy

You didn't follow the link, did you?

Anti-semitism = Judenhass = Jew-hatred

"Extending" the meaning of the word is precisely what anti-semites do to dilute the meaning of the word and rob it of its true significance.

Seriously, read that link.

Etymology and usage
Wilhelm Marr is credited with coining the German word Antisemitismus in 1873, at a time when racial science was fashionable in Germany but religious hatred wasn't. So far as can be ascertained, the word was first printed in 1880. In that year Marr published "Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte," and Wilhelm Scherer used the term "Antisemiten" in the "Neue Freie Presse" of January. The related word semitism was coined around 1885.

Wilhelm Marr (1819-1904) was a German agitator and theorist, who coined the term "anti-Semitism" as a euphemism for the German Judenhass, or "Jew-hate".

Surely you have read Fisk's interpertation of his fisking on Brit T.V.? Read down, by children:

[Link: www.indybay.org...]

To quote:

"Last Sunday, I was invited to talk on Irish television's TV3 lunchtime programme on Iraq and President Bush's support for Sharon's new wall on the West Bank. Towards the end of the programme, Tom Cooney, a law lecturer at University College, Dublin, suddenly claimed that I had called an Israeli army unit a "rabble" (absolutely correct - they are) and that I reported they had committed a massacre in Jenin in 2002.

I did not say they committed a massacre. But I should have. A subsequent investigation showed that Israeli troops had knowingly shot down innocent civilians, killed a female nurse and driven a vehicle over a paraplegic in a wheelchair. "Blood libel!" Cooney screamed. TV3 immediately - and correctly - dissociated themselves from this libel. Again, I noted the involvement of an eminent university - UCD is one of the finest academic institutions in Ireland and I can only hope that Cooney exercises a greater academic discipline with his young students than he did on TV3 - in this slander. And of course, I got the message. Shut up. Don't criticise Israel."

#81

It should be extended to cover all Semites.

Why? There are no signifigant amount of people who hate Semites as a group (e.g., speakers of Semitic languages). It would be like having a word "Anti-romantics" to specify haters of speakers of Romance languages. But such people do not exist really, do they?

Similarly there aren't really any people who specifically hate speakers of Semitic languages. Who groups together Jews, Arabs and Ethiopeans as a group?

But there are many people who hate Jews.

Finally, if "antisemitism" means "hatred of Semites" (and it does not -- it means hatred of Jews) then does that mean that "antibodies" attack the human body?

For those in Canada, Canwest Global is broadcasting

Jenin: Massacring Truth The story of Jonathan Van Caspel and his fight to clear his name, with footage from the war and journalist interviews.

It's on Wednesday night.

"Why? There are no signifigant amount of people who hate Semites as a group (e.g., speakers of Semitic languages). It would be like having a word "Anti-romantics" to specify haters of speakers of Romance languages. But such people do not exist really, do they?

Similarly there aren't really any people who specifically hate speakers of Semitic languages. Who groups together Jews, Arabs and Ethiopeans as a group? "

You make a great case for doing away with the word entirely. Why not just say anti-Jew?

"Finally, if "antisemitism" means "hatred of Semites" (and it does not -- it means hatred of Jews) then does that mean that "antibodies" attack the human body?"
Certainly not but if they were known as antihumanbodies I wouldn't be so sure.

Both are examples of words with German etymologies. That may be where the language has been giong a little funky.

The etymology of anti-semitism is interesting, because to this day, it has a little built in half-dodge that people still use:

Speaker: the Zionist Jews control the media, and slaughter Arab children in Palestine.
Respondent: You are anti-Semitic
Speaker: No I'm not, I'm only anti-Zionist
and besides, I can't be anti-semitic, because the Arabs are also Semites, and I support them.

I have seen this exact maneuver pulled any number of times, and though it only takes one counter-move --
"Okay forget I set anti-Semite, you're a Jew-hater"

We should stop saying anti-Semitism and just say Jew-hatred.

set=said, but you knew that, right? Sorry.

"You make a great case for doing away with the word entirely. Why not just say anti-Jew?"

I agree with you.

I emailed St. Andrews with the following:

I see that you are honoring Robert Fisk with a "Doctor of Laws" degree. Is this a misprint? Shouldn't it be Doctor of Lies? The man is a magnificent fiction writer. Why his writings are published as news is a mystery to me.

I even signed it with my real life name.

I emailed St. Andrews with the following:

I see that you are honoring Robert Fisk with a "Doctor of Laws" degree. Is this a misprint? Shouldn't it be Doctor of Lies? The man is a magnificent fiction writer. Why his writings are published as news is a mystery to me.

I even signed it with my real life name.

I emailed St. Andrews with the following:

I see that you are honoring Robert Fisk with a "Doctor of Laws" degree. Is this a misprint? Shouldn't it be Doctor of Lies? The man is a magnificent fiction writer. Why his writings are published as news is a mystery to me.

I even signed it with my real life name.

I emailed St. Andrews with the following:

I see that you are honoring Robert Fisk with a "Doctor of Laws" degree. Is this a misprint? Shouldn't it be Doctor of Lies? The man is a magnificent fiction writer. Why his writings are published as news is a mystery to me.

I even signed it with my real life name.

I swear I only pushed the post button once. I did preview twice though

Which recent study is Fisk talking about that supposedly discovered these occurences by Israel

Is it the Human Rights Watch report that Normy Finkelstein always refers to?

Mike

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And he can't bring himself to address the central charge, that he accused Israel of digging mass graves, and he did say they committed a massacre. But as well as a new slander he has a new line, 'I should have'. Why am I not surprised?

' "Blood libel!" Cooney screamed'. This is Robert Fisk's own account of his exchange on Ireland's TV3 on 18th April.

He obviously didn't watch the clip or he'd have realised the only one screaming was Mr Fisk. And to some extent his similarly Jew-hating ally, that has-been footballer-jounalist Eamon Dunphy as well.

Tom Cooney was utterly calm, factual, clinical. No wonder Mr Fisk felt so frightened and threatened by him. No wonder he screamed.

Did he take lessons from Howard Dean ?