He looks a bit young to be a three star general

Charles I like all the "quotes".

Hey kid, your aiming the wrong way. Look behind you!

Isn't it nice these "parents" never buy toy guns that have safety orange tips?

I guess they are hoping their kids become accidental martyrs when an Israeli mistakes the toy gun for a real one.

Is that U.S. military camouflage?

...Still waiting for the day Palestinian parents start loving their kids... Good thing I'm not holding my breath.

"Osama, you need to get your dominant eye down in front of your rear sight. Now focus on the front site only. ARGHHH... GET THAT DAMNED SLING OUT OF YOUR FRONT SIGHT. How do you expect to kill Jews and the Great Satan with this sloppy form??

"Achmed, this one is NO GOOD with a rifle. Get him fitted for a splodey-belt ASAP."

He looks a bit young to be a three star general

Israel's been a bit hard on the Palestinian "leaders" lately. Lots of battlefield promotions.

A bit OT: got another one.

Imad Janajra, 30, was killed in the village of Taluza, north of Nablus, the security sources and witnesses said. An Israel military source told Reuters news agency that Mr Janajra was shot when soldiers spotted him armed and approaching them. He was reported to be the leader of Hamas' armed wing, the Ezzedin al-Qassam Brigades.

I love how the photographer had to get artsy and creative with the angle of the shot. It's a familiarity with the subject matter that seems to imply he's comfortable in this situation or comfortable with these particular people. Either way, a very biased source for images.

Wait, I think one set of quotes was accidentally left out. Shouldn't that be "President" Yasser Arafat?

"Palestinian", "President" and "refugee camp". "Yasser Arafat", too-his real name is Rahman Abdul Rauf al-Qudwa al-Husseini. Everything in there is a damn lie!

evariste! I am glad to see you! You are the last being that I owe apology to. Aisha has revealed himself, and I slanderously accused you. Please forgive me. :-)

terrorist tyke?

militant moppet?

Oh, apologize why? I was never mad :-) Actually I was flattered everyone thought it was me, because Aisha was brilliant-much better than I could do, I'm afraid ;-)
Fine work, David from Oz, if you're reading this.

I want to know what the two dudes in the background are doing.

That does not look right.

It looks wrong. Wrong!

LOL. Alright. Let's really do these quotes:

A "Palestinian" boy aims a “toy gun” in front of a portrait of "Palestinian" "President" "Yasser Arafat" during a rally for the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an “armed group” of the Fatah “faction,” in Balata "refugee camp" near the "West Bank" city of "Nablus", May 5, 2004.

{sorry, didn't mean to squash the conversation ...}

Hey, "Martyrs" and "Brigades" are lies too! So is Al Aqsa. Mohammed never flew there at night, riding some horse up from the Dome of the Rock to heaven! It's all lies!

Blame Thom™!

some of the "and's" and "the's" are lies, too...

/lit ref

Aaaarrrggghhh. Ev. Ev. coulda got another hat tip for this.

ps - concerning the Yahoo photos, did you all see the pics where they were on top of Israeli tanks ? I'm sorry, but how the heck do you let that happen ? When on top they were dismantling the Ma Deuce (if that is what the Merkava has, not sure right now.)

To me, that is a target.

He's just expressing his inner jihad in an exterior way.

/Manchester Moron

Cream-coloured jeans with a black sweater tucked into them! Arrest that man at once!

O/T:

Do you think he's happy to be free?

I think that perhaps he isn't.

#24 RWC:

Yup, I saw it. I hope that he didn't survive the experience.

Jheka-either Israel has turned him into a snitch, or he's a marked man.
Good.

#27 Jheka

LOL

OT - Powell Would Not Want to Serve 4 More Years, Aide Says

Could this be the first crack in the State Dept/CIA sewer?

If the enemy loses his foothold, his positions could soon unravel. Lovely.

#28
Sharon is right.

Why did Arafish make up a new name for himself?

Is Abdul Omar Qusini a stringer for Reuters or one of their staff Palestinians? Also, why is there a "refugee camp" beside the city of Nablus? Why don't these refugees just live in Nablus, or is said "refugee camp" more like one of the Nablus 'burbs?

#28 Jheka

Sadly, I think that he did. And there was actually two of them on top.

Speaking of palestinian child abuse-
Yasir Rahman Abdul Rauf Arafat-al-Qudwa al-Husseini
interview with *PLAYBOY*

Warning: Don't have a mouth full of liquid when you read the following:

PLAYBOY: It's ironic, isn't it, that after all these years of armed conflict with the Israelis, the main reason world opinion toward the Palestinian cause has changed is the sight of unarmed young men and women throwing stones? How do you feel about that, considering your varied methods through the years?

ARAFAt: I am very proud of the young men and women. Don't forget that they have graduated from the school of revolution year after year. They have gone from the school of resistance to occupation. These children have been taught, day after day, not to forget their homeland. They will not accept slavery; they will fight to be free human beings and to defend their rights as free human beings. Someday to live in the same way that other children of the world are living, peacefully.

My how nothing changes. He was a lying terrorist then and, hmm, he is a lying terrorist now. World still propping him up too.

Back then Israel was a military junta killing woman, children and babies and smashing their heads:

PLAYBOY: During these past months, the uprising in the West Bank and Gaza-and the Israeli reaction to it-has produced a dramatic change in the way people perceive the Palestinian cause. Despite that, do you think the P.L.O. will ever succeed in shedding its terrorist label?
ARAFAT: Everyone has now discovered who is the real terrorist organization:
It is the Israeli military junta who are killing women and children, smashing their bones, killing pregnant women. You just have to look at television to see this. So now it is clear and obvious who the terrorists are.

don't worry guys he's just a kid he won't strap to many bombs onto himself.

#34 scaramouche

Is Abdul Omar Qusini a stringer for Reuters or one of their staff Palestinians?

I'm not sure the difference can be delineated any longer. So, maybe both?

i just want to finish this thing and if we can we have to lock this kid away before a rubber dart hits us!

The little country that couldn't By LARRY DERFNER
...

Plenty of evidence had already built up that the settler movement was stronger than any Israeli government, stronger than the IDF, certainly stronger than the people when it came to deciding the fate of the West Bank and Gaza. During the Oslo process, 1993-2000, the settler population grew from 100,000 to 190,000. Since then, they've reestablished and repopulated every illegal West Bank outpost that the IDF had torn down, and built new ones to boot.

Now they've beaten down the legendary Sharon. They've buried a peace plan supported not only by the dovish minority but by the hawkish majority that only wants to put the greatest distance and highest walls between themselves and the Palestinians.

Look as far as you want, and there is no solution out there – at least none that might emerge from Israeli soil. This turf belongs to the settler movement. If salvation is to come, it's going to have to come from outside, from the US, the UN, the EU – from some foreign body with the power to do what the Israeli body politic is plainly too weak to do for itself.

OT Discovery Channel is running a show on tracking the Holocast perps.

Ever seen an American kid playing Army with a toy gun and camo holding an American flag? Just food for thought...

You'll all immediately jump on me for this. You'll say "but American soldiers fight on the side of good and Palestinian soldiers are murderers" which is, I will concede, usually a pretty accurate assessment.

But whether giving a five-year-old a toy gun and a camo outfit constitutes child abuse is another matter. If it is child abuse in Gaza, it is child abuse in Iowa.

Anyone else think that having a fully stretched bungie cord with a metal hook on the end directly in front of a small child's eye is a bad idea?

#42 Think About Your Own Culture Too

Yes. American children are routinely posed with weapons in front of portraits of terrorists during rallies for terrorist organizations.

Idiot.

That doesn't look like a toy gun. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it looks like the real thing to me.

OT

Whoa - Have you guys seen this story about Salvadoran Soldiers?

#43 andthenblammo!

Hell, that is probably one of the safer things that they condone.

Yeah, those Salvadorians are awesome!

#46 andrew

WOW. I'm impressed. Everyone should read that.

If it is child abuse in Gaza, it is child abuse in Iowa.

No it's not. In Gaza, the child:

1. is actively encouraged to kill Jews for being Jews;

2. is encouraged to confront the IDF in a manner that threatens his life.

responding to message #40...

T. Jefferson,

***...If salvation is to come, it's going to have to come from outside, from the US, the UN, the EU--from some foreign body with the power to do what the Israeli body politic is plainly too weak to do for itself.***

I'm sorry, this thought reminds me of Munich with Israel taking Czechoslovakia's place. The way things are going, I'm leaning more towards supporting Mr. Elon's and Mr. Feiglin's positions.

Robert Dubh Nianque

#42 Moral Equivalency Jackass

I played guns when I was a kid. I shot imaginary enemies. I didn't have my parents behind me in the middle of town rooting me on to kill anyone in particular. I didn't take time out from playing make believe to trample on the burning flags of other countries. Our school talent show wasn't based on who could give the best 'sermon' to rile up the people to kill Israelis. My parents did not wish for me to take my life as long as I took the lives of Israelis with me.

Fuc* it. I could go on and on.

If it is child abuse in Gaza, it is child abuse in Iowa.

Oh - one more thing, BULLSHIT!!!

#42

Ever seen an American kid playing Army with a toy gun and camo holding an American flag?

Um...I can't say that I have. But the image has all the necessary rhetorical elements. Is it something you see a lot of?

You can make the case that playing Army, or Cowboys and Indians is the same. But you'll have to ignore that those scenarios are pure childhood fantasy/role playing, and have slim chances of becoming reality.

This situation has a much lower fantasy factor, and given recent events, this little guy might not be far away from the real thing.

#24 Right Wing Conspirator 5/5/2004 05:33PM PST

ps - concerning the Yahoo photos, did you all see the pics where they were on top of Israeli tanks ?

Yes, I saw the "youths"!

Question: How long does a guy's white beard have to get before he graduates from "youth" to "mature terrorist--er, demonstrator"?

/Phooey

#31 abc

The way it's laid out, the caption reads: "Powell Would Not Want to Serve Reuters 4 More Years, Aide Says"

Let it stand as set?

#33 Goldie 5/5/2004 05:47PM PST

Why did Arafish make up a new name for himself?

Good question!

He needed to hide his close family relationship to the mufti who served--er, met der Fuhrer Hitler.

(Something like grand-nephew, IIRC.)

#40 T. Jefferson

So you're saying the muslim settlers may have to give up and go back to Jordan, after all?

Good!

;^D

#54 LtTw

Just checking - but your not implying that I said they were youths were you ?

Hell, those were grown men on top.

*ps - probably totally unjustifiable to even ask you that so if your not, my apologies.

#42 Think About Your Own Culture Too

You'll all immediately jump on me for this. You'll say "but American soldiers fight on the side of good and Palestinian soldiers are murderers"

No, I don't think anyone jumped on you for that one. Here's one more. Your mythical American kid (who is inside, hooked to a Playstation or Prime Time Slime) is *not* in a *WAR* ZONE. (Sorry, but that is a *really* important concept to remember.)

which is, I will concede, usually a pretty accurate assessment

Handsomely said. That made it easy for me to avoid name calling. Thank you.

two words : LEGITIMATE TARGET

LtTw

Strike my last post. Just in a pissy mood waiting for some troll-meat ;-)

*and I wasn't thinking that you were, but after a couple of Mango Madness and Bacardi the nics just start to run together :-)

I find these pictures utterly depressing. Little killers-to-be over and over again. The road from AP/al-Reuters designated "toy guns" to shooting innocent people until there is nothing left of them is a very short road in Palestinian society.

Bastards.

#58 Right Wing Conspirator 5/5/2004 07:01PM PST

#54 LtTw

"Just checking - but your not implying that I said they were youths were you ?"

Absolutely not!

"Hell, those were grown men on top."

That's a fact, and I know you saw reality at first glance.

"*ps - probably totally unjustifiable to even ask you that so if your not, my apologies."

Not a problem, no apology needed. In fact, I'm glad you put us both on the record about the truth, which is:

Once again, the al-Reuters *caption* called grown, adult men "youths":

A Palestinian youth jumps onto an Israeli tank to throw stones during an Israeli raid at Deir al Balah town in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) May 5, 2004.

As in, we have to excuse these "youths," since we all know "boys will be boys." Feh!

#15 evariste

Thank you.

I'm surprised Abdul Hafiz hasn't come here to decry the Phillistine child abuse
/sarcasm.

#42 Think About Your Own Culture Too
Moral Equivalency! Moral Equivalency!
/whiny el Cubo rant
GAZE

#61 Right Wing Conspirator

Ah, ya missed the other thread, huh? :)

Lysander

#65 Lysander

Of course not. My honeybear got the hat-tip for that one :-)

#23, steve miller

Hey, some of us got it... :)

#36 selpaw

Wow. 16 years later. Is that for real? Money quote:

PLAYBOY: And if such a state were ever realized, would you expect to be its leader?

ARAFAT: In a matter of time, we will have a state. If I were to head it, that would mean I would impose upon my people what I was thinking; that would mean it would not be a democracy. Maybe they would not elect me, as the British did not with Churchill after World War Two.

#66 Right Wing Conspirator

Lol! Schoen fergessen.

Didn't see you at the end of it... LOL proverbial brick wall there.

Oh yes, thank you for this picture. I've never seen the like! (well, apart from my latest NRA-newsletter, but those were good, clean american kids, willing to die for a JUST cause, like american values).

#70 Aaron Woodshack

Hmm, not yet GAZE worthy.

GLANCE

(hehe)

(well, apart from my latest NRA-newsletter, but those were good, clean american kids, willing to die for a JUST cause, like american values).

Wow. Is the NRA encouraging American kids to become suicide bombers? Who knew?

Idiot.

Lysander:

GLANCE

LOL!

Woodshack, show me some evidence that the NRA actively incites children to murder other children because of their religion and nationality, or uses them as shields when they shoot at those who attempt to stop their massacres.

#42 Think About Your Own Culture Too :

Um. You have been sufficiently fisked above, but I do have to add, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TOY GUN! It does not resemble a toy in the least, and I highly doubt that those people waste their time and materials making toy guns when they can be making real ones. That gun looks very very very real to me.

#73 zulubaby

Well, 'e ain't GAZE-worthy ;)
Hehehe

Lysander

Abuse the children
and they'll become
abused adults.

Teach them to hate
and they will,
teach them to lie
and they will,
teach them to kill
and they will, gladly.

As their perfect prophet
had me killed
to silence the shrill
truth of my pen.
But in the end,
Truth will reign,
and Freedom will ring
like a glorious bell
throughout our land.

#69 Lysander

LOL. No prob. Charles actually flipped my hat tip to give it to my lil' boo bear :-)

#69 Lysander:

Schoen fergessen.

Reminds me of a joke about Moishe Cohen who spoke no English when he came to America. On the boat over he practiced and practiced what to say when he got to Ellis Island, but when the immigration official asked him his name, in his panic, his mind went blank.

Today he's called Sean Ferguson.

#76 Lysander

Muy bueno. (Maybe he'll work his way up to SQUINT someday. Ya think?)

#79 cba

lol

Adios, amigos.

IOW, Nite, all.

My oldest son, Daniel, is 6. He'll be 7 soon, in July.

He has a -pile- of toy guns - I know, half the time I have to pick them up off the floor. They've all got orange tips, at the very least. And he loves to play with them. He and the neighborhood kids play war/cops&robbers quite often. We have certain rules for them - don't point them at people who aren't playing, don't point them if you're angry, etc.

I like watching him play; he's pretty good. I've taught him use of cover, flanking, distraction, so-operation, all sorts of fun tricks.

So is this 'child abuse in Indiana'? No. I don't wish for him to actually go and kill people. And that makes all the difference in the world.

24 Right Wing Conspirator

28 Jheka

The picture of the two palestinians on a tank appeared today in the hebrew press (front page in Maariv) under the title "the embarassment of tzahal." The army issued a statement saying that the soldiers did not fire at them because they weren't armed and because they did it under the cover of children (using children as human shields)

Read more about Palestinian child abuse:
[Link: www.israeliskt.com...]

1. Why Stephen King novels do not make good bed-time stories.

2. Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids. You unnerstand that, or do I need to blow yer freakin’ outs? Huh? Rabbit? Huh? Who’s the big man now?

3. Michael Moore passed on the opportunity to do a remake of Schindler’s List with an all-child cast. “It’s very offensive,” huffed the film-maker, “But where’s the Bush-Bashing?”

4. In Arab culture, over-compensation begins at a very young age.

5. Evil Bert looked on, pleased. "Another brainwashed sniper for my army of millions. Big Bird will pay dearly for his arrogance."

6. Ted Rall's inner child.

7. "Squishface... you're... choking ... me."

8. "Damn... where the hell am I? What was in that cocktail Arafat gave me? What's this burning sensation in my ass? Where'd I get this gun? What did the Zionists do to me?"

9. And then one day, Rerun van Pelt could take it no more. He stole Linus's blanket, wrapped it around his neck, and prepared to take out the Great Pumpkin that had led to so much ridicule once and for all.

10. No one ever told Ramel's father that swinging your child by the ankle and the scarf around his neck was not the right way to play "airplane." However, the resulting brain damage made Ramel the idea al-Aqsa recruit.

Ever seen an American kid playing Army with a toy gun and camo holding an American flag?

Yep, they're cute pictures of me back in 1969, holding my toy M16 and wearing my plastic "steel" pot standing by a tree.

Its one of my favorite childhood photos, taken while my father was on combat duty in Vietnam.

I wanted to be like my dad and serve my country. And you know what? I did. I enlisted before my 18th birthday on a deferred enlistment and served proudly.

And as a member of the NRA, I've never seen anything relating to children and guns in their publications advocating violence. Only good clean fun and firearm safety.

84 V the K

LOL!

i don't get number 9 tho'

#86 --- You caught the "Sealab 2021" Reference in #7 but not the "Peanuts" Reference in #9? I know Rerun was an obscure character, but still ...

Couldn't be staged... nah.

Of course it was staged. It was staged by Palestinian terrorists to encourage their kids to become terrorists. How many kids toting rifles must you see before you conclude that kids toting rifles is SOP for the Pali Death Cult? Usually it's a rifle AND a faux suicide belt.

Kids, don't forget to ACCESSORIZE!