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-RetweetBehind CAIR's Hate Crimes Report

Thu, May 6, 2004 at 8:27:55 pm PDT

David Skinner takes a closer look at CAIR’s new “hate crimes” report, which makes the absurd claim that “anti-Muslim hate crimes” are up more than 70% this year: Behind CAIR’s Hate Crimes Report.

It’s almost humorous what tiny offenses pass as worthy of complaint in the CAIR report. That a student at the University of Houston “saw flyers and posters with false and degrading statements about the Qur’an and the prophet Muhammad” is apparently a civil rights matter. That a College Republican at Roger Williams in Rhode Island wrote in a student publication that “a true Muslim is taught to slay infidels” is treated with similar gravity.

Several of the report’s examples of anti-Muslim rhetoric (the only prominent ones come from Dr. Laura and Paul Harvey, the latter of which was followed by an apology) hinge on whether or not Islam promotes killing. But this is even a subject of debate within Islam. Also, that the question should be taken up with some interest by outsiders is, again, neither a civil rights matter nor evidence of hatred or bias. The issue is merely relevant to why al Qaeda and other Islamofacist organizations are at war with the United States. And, to put it tamely, it does not speak well of CAIR (or its purported constituents) that the organization does its level-best to close off such discussions.

None of the press coverage on CAIR’s report gives readers a sense of its patchwork quality. Although undermining the USA Patriot Act is the most important item on CAIR’s agenda, the report dismisses the legislation in about four paragraphs giving a distorted picture of controversial Section 215. Nor do the authors note when their evidence contradicts their thesis of increasing bias and decreasing vigilance against bias: In the same section where its truncated discussion of the Patriot Act appears, the CAIR report discusses two cases of government bias in which the rights of Muslims were loudly and effectively defended.

In one, the right of a Philadelphia police officer to wear her hijab to work was successfully defended by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. In the other case, a judge was forced to apologize and resign for suggesting a Muslim appearing in his court was a terrorist. The report’s appendix, too, contains another such story in which a Muslim county employee was allowed to keep his job even though his Friday prayer obligations kept him out of the office all afternoon. The situation was resolved; the employee doesn’t need to be in the office and, it seems, doesn’t need to make up the hours. “I’m really pleased with result,” the employee told a California paper. “They [the county] treated me with a lot of respect.”

NOWHERE does the report’s lack of rigorousness show more clearly than in the section titled “Sample Cases.” “On February 28th,” reads the very first item listed as a hate crime, “two unknown males assaulted a Muslim student at Georgia Tech in Atlanta at night. The attackers beat him for no apparent reason and did not attempt to rob him.” Which means there is “no apparent reason” to call it a hate crime. Under the same heading are listed several instances of minor vandalism, broken windows, graffiti, a defaced “Iraqi display case” at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Muslim Students Association.

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1 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:29:25pm

Uh, what about all the antisemetic attacks that have surfaced, since 9/11?

Or are we just not supposed to worry about those?

2 TalkinKamel  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:30:12pm

Hot diggety! I'm first! Happy days are here again, the skies above are clear again. . .

(Dances off, singing and throwing confetti in the air.)

3 evariste  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:30:33pm

CAIR exaggerating? Shocka! Who knew?
Charles, will you do something about this person posting with an offensive nick? He's all over the place and it's disgusting.

4 zulubaby  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:30:49pm

Attacks against Jews are up so the Muslims are complaining that attacks against them are up. There's always something.

5 OPB  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:32:35pm

CAIR is a hate crime, against humanity.

6 zulubaby  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:35:49pm

And while you have the banning stick out, can you clobber this one too?

7 NDMNTX  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:36:10pm

Well... we all know that CAIR is nothing but a bunch of BS spewed forth by hate mongering terrorist sponsors. But who am I to elaborate on anything?

8 evariste  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:36:42pm

Thanks, Charles.

9 Truth Dr.  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:39:21pm

CAIR's claims make professional wrestling look legitimate.

10 Harlan Pepper  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:43:48pm

Like I've mentioned before - maybe CAIR, nay, all of Islam, should practice some long overdue self reflection. They should ask themselves "Why do the infidels haaate us?" It is important to determine the "root causes" and stuff, after all.

Fed up.

11 gymnast  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:43:59pm

If CAIR keeps it up we may see a several hundredfold increase in hate crimes. And thats only the ones that require intensive care. And thats only for them womping their wives. "Maha you know I hate you when you burn the roast goat, Bash,womp, thud.

12 steve miller  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:44:18pm

Hey, CAIR makes JOHN KERRY look legitimate!

13 Andjam  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:44:24pm

With incidents this minor, it's easy, if you do more digging, to increase the statistics. Therefore year after year (if the president has "R" after his name) you can complain about ever increasing Islamophobia.

I was suprised when I first learnt that there were more anti-Jewish hate crimes than anti-Muslim hate crimes. (It could be possible that anti-Jewish hate crimes are more likely to be reported than anti-Muslim hate crimes, but I don't think that alone can make up the difference)

14 obscured by clouds  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:47:02pm

If there really were "hate crimes against Moooslims" going on the Mohammadites -and everyone else- would know about it in spades. If we, the non-Islamos, adopt their own methods of intimdation and arrogance they'd be dreaming of "Sweet Home Peshawar" in very short order...and if they keep it up that time is a'coming. My feelings toward the fifth column otherwise known as "CAIR" can best be summed up by a Russel Crowe line from the movie Romper Stomper..."This is NOT YOUR COUNTRY!"

15 Crill  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:50:11pm

What the heck is an

a defaced "Iraqi display case"

? Anyone remember anything about this? I'm too lazy to google it.

16 Andjam  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:50:23pm

My feelings toward the fifth column otherwise known as "CAIR" can best be summed up by a Russel Crowe line from the movie Romper Stomper..."This is NOT YOUR COUNTRY!"

Is that a movie where neonazis fight an asian gang? Is that the kind of attitude we should have?

17 hepcat - hep to the jive  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:50:52pm

I heard Lee Rodgers, SFbay area talk show host, on KSFO radio this morn mention that CAIR wrote letters to his prior radio station (KGO) to get him kicked off and I guess it worked. He further stated that not only is their modus operandi is to get people in postitions removed and fired who disagree with CAIR and that they are now launching lawsuits by the dozen.

18 dgd  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:53:05pm

Damn;

I was on my way to work this morning and I had to honk my horn at a green light sleeper. Hope I don't get in trouble. Suppose the person I honked at was a Muslim. The humiliation that poor person must have suffered.

grovel grovel.

19 Truth Dr.  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:54:53pm

I'm waiting for Cair's bubble to be pricked and the poison that spews forth from it blown away the same way Palestinian mothers love to see their children blown away (as shaheeds ofcourse).

20 steve miller  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:55:27pm

dgd - well, it was a green light, after all. I thinking honking at a green light will soon be seen as un-Islamite or something.

21 Bubbaman  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:59:14pm

CAIR is a front for terrorist organizations. A peak at anti-CAIR will give you an idea.

They've sued Andrew Whitehead and I think that it will backfire. It's beyond me with all of this public knowledge that these CAIR creeps are still on the street.

22 o  Thu, May 6, 2004 6:59:49pm

"Is that a movie where neonazis fight an asian gang? Is that the kind of attitude we should have?"

#16 Adjam...point well taken...no it's not. The quote is relevant, if not the context of the film Romper Stomper, a very disturbing film. It would not surprise me, however, if some of the underlying themes in the film become reality if the Muslim fifth column persists in its "kill all Americans even as we take advantage of their society" agenda.

And just imagine taking a stroll down any "arab street" and tell me you wouldn't be fearful of an arab-based Romper Stomper moment. The rank & file of Fallujah, for instance, make Aussie skinheads look like girl scouts.

23 obscured by clouds  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:01:33pm

Whoops...post #22 is from me, obscured by clouds, not "o."

24 Doctor Bean  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:01:46pm

CAIR are, of course, a bunch of treasonous bastards.

OT:
I was having a fairly stressful day which improved dramatically when a friend emailed me this link.

[Link: www.subservientchicken.com...]

Trust me. You'll enjoy this.

(Capitalism warning: it's sponsored as an ad by a fast food chain. It's also very funny. I have absolutely no financial relationship with the fast food chain or the guy in the chicken suit or the chicken farming industry...)

25 rosh  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:02:47pm
Friday prayer obligations kept him out of the office all afternoon. The situation was resolved; the employee doesn’t need to be in the office and, it seems, doesn’t need to make up the hours

Dang, I'm in the wrong religion. I could use Fridays off too to prepare for my religious observance, but I can't get a deal like this. Guess chutzpah is an Arabic word.

26 mossback  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:03:57pm

Help me, I'm trying to remember which Constitutional Ammendment talks about the right to be unoffended? It's in there somewhere...isn't it?

27 steve miller  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:08:22pm

This is a better link...
[Link: zongrila.net...]

28 PDM  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:10:17pm

Somebody please alert CAIR to this page.
It's loaded with “anti-Muslim hate crimes” (and I take credit for every one of them).

29 steve miller  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:10:24pm

There should be such an amendment. I mean, the fact that previous generations gave up their lives, their homes, and their sacred honor so I could flip my TV through 500 channels and exclaim there's nothing on - definitely I *deserve* to have such a right. And if there's no amendment, well, then, let's find a complacent judge and get one into law by judicial fiat.

30 mossback  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:10:56pm

P.S. Hey, I finally got in on a thread before it was all over! Sometimes capitalism really gets in the way. ;-)

31 gymnast  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:15:31pm

#25, rosh. Please cite the post of last month that you wish to discuss.

32 Doctor Bean  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:18:20pm

#27 Steve Miller
That was very cute. Something MC Escher would have done if he had a computer. I like recursion, but there's no way it's better than a subservient chicken. Have you tried some commands? It's an incredibly robust and obedient chicken. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

33 ronnie schreiber  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:22:53pm

I love the part of anti-CAIR's countersuit where they use the most effective defense possible against a libel or slander suit - what they said about CAIR is true.

34 hate crimes: no, sk8 crimes: yes  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:25:33pm

A fight at a college? That is freakin' unheard of!

35 steve miller  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:25:43pm

doctor bean, I am no subservient chicken & will NOT do what you tell me. And like I said, I'm no subservient chicken & will NOT do what you tell me...

36 Rampagin' Pagan  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:28:45pm

Hey CAIR, here's another hate crime for ya:

Islam is an evil cult.
Arab culture is a death-worship culture.
Mohammed was a pedophile.
There is no difference between Islam and Islamofascism.
The Koran is a steaming pile of camel dung.

There. Now, since you're reading this, Mr. CAIR, and since you're a Muslim, you are surely offended by what I wrote. By your standards, that's a hate crime.

Chalk it up.

37 Rampagin' Pagan  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:29:15pm

Oh wait, here’s another one: All Muslim “martyrs” are burning in Hell, and will do so for eternity.

38 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:31:39pm
39 Oktober  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:32:23pm
a Muslim county employee was allowed to keep his job even though his Friday prayer obligations kept him out of the office all afternoon. The situation was resolved; the employee doesn’t need to be in the office and, it seems, doesn’t need to make up the hours.

Hot shit! Are there any mosques in salt lake city?! I want to sign up!

40 ronnie schreiber  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:34:21pm

Yathink if I send CAIR an email about Infidel Apparel that they'll take the bait and generate a lot of free publicity for me?

41 andthenblammo!  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:37:52pm

#39 Oktober:

I need Fridays off to prepare for my religious observations, which involve slicing lemons into quarters and counting the vodka bottles in the freezer.

42 smackin bitches, pimping courtesans  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:46:17pm

#39:

That A-rab is a smart man, getting paid to pray and such, gol' darn.

43 Benny Hill  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:48:12pm
"Don't be an athiest young man, they get no holidays."
44 Oktober  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:50:11pm

#41

LMAO!
whats the name of your religion?

45 Zed  Thu, May 6, 2004 7:54:35pm

Lemme guess. I suppose CAIR will try to shut down this blog because they don't like what they see here either...

I'd probably have more respect for CAIR if it bothered to keep its own nose clean.

46 transferthem  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:00:07pm

Only sheep bleat more than muslims

47 ted  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:00:25pm

OT: NY Times editorial sez: Rumsfield must Resign !!!

"It is time now for Mr. Rumsfeld to go, and not only because he bears personal responsibility for the scandal of Abu Ghraib. That would certainly have been enough. The United States has been humiliated to a point where government officials could not release this year's international human rights report this week for fear of being scoffed at by the rest of the world. The reputation of its brave soldiers has been tarred, and the job of its diplomats made immeasurably harder because members of the American military tortured and humiliated Arab prisoners in ways guaranteed to inflame Muslim hearts everywhere"

48 ted  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:03:59pm

"for fear of being scoffed at by the rest of the world". "American military tortured and humiliated Arab prisoners in ways guaranteed to inflame Muslim Me !!!

49 ted  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:08:03pm

"fear of being scoffed at by the rest of the world. The reputation of its brave soldiers has been tarred, and the job of its diplomats made immeasurably harder because members of the American military tortured and humiliated Arab prisoners in ways guaranteed to inflame Muslim hearts everywhere" >>>>I need oxygen !!! Im about to do of laughter !!! Someone save me...!!! Charles, Please !!!

50 bally  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:08:54pm

#28 PDM

you hurt me very badly. I looked on your website and saw the picture of that baby girl. My brother just had a baby girl.

I hope she is always safe. I wish I could do something for that kid. Protect her somehow. The Islamofascists are really on the side of evil and must be stopped.

-ron

51 Beagle Matamoros  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:14:46pm

I had to listen to a CAIR spokesperson pontificate about hate crimes on the local news today. That Ibrahim Hooper gets around.
He can be testy with those that are wise to his game of deception. It's too bad that "wise" describes more potato chips than journalists.

52 PDM  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:25:59pm

#50 bally,

Wow. You're right. I'm very sorry.
I forgot that I was posting a raw directory with a mixture of images, not all of them humorous.
I should have thought enough to place a warning. Again, I'm very sorry.

Congratulations on your new niece. I hope that she never has to face the kind of evil that we see threatening us today. She should only grow up to know a world of peace.

53 bally  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:33:06pm

#52 PDM

No no! You have nothing to apologize for! I did not mean it at all that way!

I'm sorry my friend for the way I wrote it, I meant that the image really struck me hard. I think you're a decent guy.

-ron

54 zakwhich  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:50:30pm

As somebody who used to attend UW- Milwaukee and who was a member of a pro-Israel group, I can attest to the fact that the MSA, GUPS and others regularly used threats of violence, cude anti-Semitism and disgusting vandalism against our group.

I don't remember hearing about this so-called "hate crime" ...

Zak

55 Ben F  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:52:19pm

When CAIR complains about a hate crime, I think the working definition of crime is grounded in shari'a.

Next year, look for the list to include instances where a church is constructed with a steeple that's higher than the minaret of the mosque nearby.

If people keep paying them heed, eventually CAIR will complain about the construction of churches.

56 Josh  Thu, May 6, 2004 8:55:39pm

Sadly, CAIR is very good at exploiting the weaknesses in our society, abusing the tolerance and open-mindedness to promote their own intolerance and repression.


On the bright side, we are good at using our strength to kick the crap out of every arab army that ever existed.

57 Evan  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:06:49pm

Guys, I dug this up - disgusting:

The LGF Quiz

58 Reza  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:11:01pm

Why do you people continue to advocate that hate crimes be committed against Muslims who are just trying to live their lives quietly and bother no-one? The solution to all the strife and evil in the world is obvious. Stop oppressing Muslims. Stop warring against Allah (swt) and accept his final Prophet, Muhammed (pbuh).

Embrace Islam and live in peace with the rest of the world.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

59 Evan  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:12:30pm

re: my previous post

Sorry - it was old news :)

60 MC  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:33:48pm

OT: Orgegon Man Arrested in Spain bombing probe.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

* Fingerprints found on materials related to 3-11 attack

* Former US army offcer

* Converted to Islam

* One of his daughters is named "Sharia"

61 Buckaroo  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:40:02pm

#60 M

Is another "Fatwa?"

:=(

62 zulubaby  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:49:13pm

MC (#60)

See here.

63 Josh  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:50:12pm

#60

Not a Buddhist?

Shocking!

64 MC  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:55:35pm

OT: I'm getting tired of all the traitors coming out of the Pacific Northwest.

* MUSLIM CONVERT Johnny Walker - Traitor took up arms against US in Afghanistan. From Marin County, CA.

* MUSLIM CONVERT Ryan Anderson - Army reservist - tried to give weapons and secrets to Al Qaida. Fort Lewis, WA.

* MUSLIM CONVERT Brandon Mayfield - Former army officer - defended one of six Portland area Jihadists, Leon Battle. Fingerprints found on materials related to Madrid blasts - Portland, OR.

* MUSLIM CONVERT Leon Battle - Former army reservist. Tried to go to Afghanistan with his wife and five others (four of them MUSLIM CONVERTS) to fight against the US on behalf of Taliban. Has a daughter named "Sharia". Portland, OR.

* MUSLIM CONVERT James Ujaama - Tried to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, OR. In 1994 Rep. Jesse Wineberry (Democrat) issued a certificate declaring James Ujaama Day in Washington, apparently for community leadership or something. Seattle, WA.

* The city of Portland has refused to comply with the Patriot Act.

These people are all muslim converts. What the hell is being taught in those Mosques?

65 Q  Thu, May 6, 2004 9:57:44pm

#58:

Leave adults alone and go play in traffic.

66 abc  Thu, May 6, 2004 10:02:36pm

FWIW

Rumsfeld ought to go if he knew about the prisoner hazing and didn't stop it.


If this was intentional. A planned routine for softening up scumbag detainees and captives, then we ought to say so, and let the chips fall where they may.

I would arrest these people and beat the living hell out of them if it would save one marine or fighting man.

And I'd be pounding the hell out of the Iraqis from the air and not risking one soldier on the ground.

And frankly, I'd give orders to shoot to kill looters and insurgents caught in the act.

But that's just me.

I can't believe these soldiers were doing this on their own. And we ought not hang them out to dry.

I like the 'chick' soldier with the leash. And the casual way they are behaving makes me think this was done under orders.

So here again this is a leadership problem, not a problem with the man in the field.

WE NEED LEADERS!

I'd kill all the Iraqis to protect one marine, --- one American man of arms.

They're worth it.
To me.


Rumsfeld will speak tommorrow. And I expect he will surprise and stun people with his performance.

Candidness, is always a shocker to the deluded, self-destructive leftist.

We should always blunt their skulls with the truth. As often as the circumstances provide.


When we err, we correct -- and return to innocence.

This is the American man, the American way. In the past, the present, and the future.

This is why we win before we begin.

67 abc  Thu, May 6, 2004 10:09:16pm

Lesson 1

Look after your men, and they will look after you.

68 abc  Thu, May 6, 2004 10:18:52pm

Cleric's Army, U.S. GIs Face Off in Najaf

This headline is significant.

If this becomes a war against the clerics, as it should, this is benefical.

The clerics are the recruiters, trainers, and instigators of the holy war.

They are the pressure point we ought to attack. We ought to identify, locate, target and kill the clerics.

I start with the first third of the worst. I'd identify them, get a fix on them, and kill them.

Then I'd ask the rest if they still want jihad. And I'd suggest they teach reading, writing, and writhmetic, instead of jihad.

The ones that comply, I'd support.

The rest, I'd kill.

69 Ayatrollah  Thu, May 6, 2004 10:34:50pm

#15 - I believe that the group's door, door knob or some sort of case was stuffed with raw pork chops, barring them from entering. They refused to clean it themselves and asked the neghboring student group to remove the offending items.

70 DavidWB  Thu, May 6, 2004 10:42:52pm
That a student at the University of Houston “saw flyers and posters with false and degrading statements about the Qur’an and the prophet Muhammad” is apparently a civil rights matter.

Interesting... it all comes home to the good ol' U of H...

I believe that I recall the incident in question. I was at the campus computer lab, printing out posters from the website: Stand With Us.com (an excellent site with some great "ammo" for confronting Palestinian terror and myths). Anyhow, I noticed this one Arabian-looking guy and his friend staring intently at my screen and pointing. I ignored them, but he gestured towards me and said "I notice that you are reading anti-Muslim propaganda. I'm sometimes a little too polite, so instead of telling him that if he felt uncomfortable he should go back to Arabia where there is no freedom of expression/press, I quietly explained that the posters were not anti-Muslim, but rather anti-terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens. Turns out that he was Palestinian... figures.

I have had the "priviledge" of meeting about three or four Palestinians here at the University of Houston and each time I am awestruck by the level of irrational hatred that eminated from their persona. I have been able to have some interesting conversations from people supporting the Palestinian cause. but when it comes to these hate-indoctrinated individuals, there is not reason, no rationale, just the blanket loathing of the Jewish people and the nation that they represent.

The posters didn't even mention their inspiration, the Koran, or the initial instigator, Mohammed. However, the causal link was obviously clear in this guy's mind, and thus (ironically) pro-Israeli, anti-terrorism material was confused with anti-Islamic sentiment. The juxtaposition of the two in his mind and in that of the world today, perhaps shows how close and yet how far they are from truly understanding the murderous nature of this truly demonic "religion".

"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD..."

71 yaleforks  Thu, May 6, 2004 11:00:00pm

Way off topic but Micheal Moore admits Disney 'ban' was a stunt

[Link: www.mickeynews.com...]

Sorry about the lack of html.

/new to this whole internet thing :)

72 Creepers  Thu, May 6, 2004 11:29:00pm

#57 Evan
Guys, I dug this up - disgusting:
The LGF Quiz

Hang on a second... let me pull on my asbestos underwear for the ensuing flamestorm. There... let's go.

I agree with Evan, this is disgusting. But, I think my reasons are different. The fact that a good number of the comments posted on this blog are indistinguishable from those of Pokorny, Himmler et al. is very disturbing-- even if the comments are taken out of context.

I am still relatively new here, and I am extremely impressed with a lot of the intelligent discourse that I have seen on these boards. You guys know your stuff, and you are conscientious about backing up your statements with facts and links to facts. This a community filled with passionate thinkers from whom I hope to learn in the weeks and months ahead.

There is also a lot of hateful, racist sentiment shared here. It makes me sort of, well, uncomfortable. I know, I know-- this is one of the prices of a free society and free speech. And I also know that if I do not like it, I can leave. But, there is so much good about this place that I hate to see a few people pissing in the pool ruin it for me.

I am surprised that I don't see more people shouting down the extremists. I have seen people on these very message boards chide the Muslim community for this same thing. Keep the tails of the distribution in check and the credibility of the community will benefit.

Ok. Done.

73 Nigel DelManticore  Fri, May 7, 2004 12:34:31am

#58 Reza

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

74 zee  Fri, May 7, 2004 12:58:57am

An Islamic 'virus' has attached itself to a post I have that gets lots of google hits searching for 'Islam sucks". The dude apparently is gleefully awaiting our demise. If you have an inclination to refute him, that would be great - I'm on the road for most of the weekend and will not have time till Monday unless I get a break.

Date: 5/07/2004 05:12:36 -0400
From: zee@roadSassy.com
To: zee@roadSassy.com
Subject: [Spicedsass] New Comment Posted to 'Islam sucks, so shoot me!' All headers
A new comment has been posted on your blog Spicedsass, on entry #240 (Islam
sucks, so shoot me!).
[Link: WWW.roadsassy.com...]

IP Address: 66.227.204.185
Name: tamim isa
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Comments:

You should know ignorance, as it seems to be be your expertise.I noticed that you didnt even attempt to answer my question of what you have done for this country. It is as I expected;another armchair loudmouth who dint have the physical or mental capablity to stand up and fight so they sit on the sideline waving a flag and whine about 'whats wrong with America'. Pathetic. The one fact I love is IM A MUSLIM AND TWICE THE DECORATED AMERICAN YOU'LL EVER BE. When i die, Ill be buried at Arlington, under a nice little muslim gravemarker among all those white crosses. i now how much your mentally impotent kind will LOVE that! And your helpless to stop it (Gee, thats getting to be a redundant trait for you isnt it?)
I read your little snipets of anti-Islamic jargon put out by a bunch of Reaganite has-beens with biased Imperialistic and Western Orientalists idealogical drivel.
I noticed a few "truths' you conveniently left out of your lists of inhumanity.
What of the thousands of muslims in the kashmir who are imprisoned,tortured, and starving because of the persecution of a pagan,Hindu political Party whose platform is to wipe out islam. What about their violating these muslims civil liberties by making conversion to Islam ILLEGAL?
What of the thousands of Palestinians (Both muslim and Xian) who have had their homes,which have been there for a 1000 years, bulldozed by an illegal Zionist government because they claim their ancestors lived there once five millenia ago. (by that logic, every American should hand his property deed over to the next Native American they pass on the street!) Or what of the Jewish terrorist group that was caught trying to blow up the Dome of the Rock in Jeruslaem? Or of Baruka Goldstein, a jewish militant who walked into the Al-Hambra Mosque on a Friday Prayer and opened fire with a machine gun on innocent, men ,women and children in prayer? What about the hundreds of Muslim Americans who are being held AGAINST THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS without being charged with a crime and being refused legal counsel? What of the vandalism done by Morons like you to American mosques, or the good Christian Lynch-mobs that killed anyone who looked "foreign" one of which was an innocent sikh? What of the the "Western Reformer" in Turkey who trampled on muslim civil liberties and freedom of religion? Or the cruel American backed Shah of Iran who lost his country due to the same thing?

Where are these inhumanities YOU have committed in your tirade of hate?

Now, as for these "glorious Iraqi Troops" who have been abusing Iraqi citizens.These people have been thru enough abuse under the atheistic (socialist ) and USA funded terror regime of Saddam. As an old soldier,I think these soldiers should be court-martialed,stood up to a firing squad, and shot for the cowards they are!
BTW, that Call to Prayer in Hamtramck MI was PASSED by the City Council. Your "Polish-Catholic Community" is now one third muslim, and your helpless to stop it (THeirs that trait again!)
Actually, you amuse me.I laugh at your failing efforts. Like the KKK was helpless to stop desegragation and biracial relations,and the Germans attempt at genocide only fostered world sympathy for Jews and gave them a homeland, so your anti-islamic hatemonging is doomed to fail as well.
So go aheadScream you hate us to the ends of the earth. the more you persecute us, the more sympathy we get, and the more converts. Wave the flag and call us "Unamerican" meanwhile we are protected by the Second Amendment and the Title 7 of the Civil Rights Amendment of 1964.If you attack us, you go to prison. Go on and burn down our mosques We will rebuild them (usually better ones as YOUR churches donate money due to the embarassment of the crime)and you can go to jail.
In the end, when the persecution of American Muslims is a shame on AMerican history alongside the persecution of Japanese and German American we will STILL BE HERE, and you will be remembered only for the pitiful failures and backward scum that you are.
Heres a few TRUTHS for you and the rest of your hating mongoloid kind:

1 out of 4 people on this PLANET are MUSLIM.We are the fastest growing religion on earth AND IN AMERICA by any statical survey you want to look up. 8 out of the 10 American converts are women, who marry and have children with Muslim men, even if they divorce and give up Islam, their children will be muslim or at least have an ilsamic affiliation.
Mosques in America, where once only found here and there in large cities, are now popping up in samlltown America, having doubled in the last ten years.

And in another ten years, by every statical report, MUSLIMS WILL OUTNUMBER YOU NON-BELIEVERS WHO MISGUIDEDLY WORSHIP A DEAD HIPPIE ON A STICK.
In others words:ISLAM IS FAST BECOMING THE DOMINANT RELIGION AND IDEAOLOGY IN THE WORLD.

And you know what i love the most about it?

THERE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT!!!

You are pathetic. You efforts are useless.and ultimately you are completely powerless and ineffectual.

Im tired of playing with the retarded kids on the block. So ill go find some intelligent Muslims to plot the overthrow of the world with (we are right on schedule by the way!), and leave you people to play with yourselves.

But hey, thanks for the amusement.

Peace be Unto YOu (youre gonna need it)

ALLAH AKKBAR!
(god IS greater!)

tAMIM isa


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75 Ben  Fri, May 7, 2004 1:08:41am

#13 Andjam:

I was suprised when I first learnt that there were more anti-Jewish hate crimes than anti-Muslim hate crimes. (It could be possible that anti-Jewish hate crimes are more likely to be reported than anti-Muslim hate crimes, but I don't think that alone can make up the difference)

Exactly what figures are you thinking of, and are they absolute or relative? It's entirely plausible that Jews could be more at risk of hate-crimes than Muslims, and vice versa. The number of Jews and Muslims in the USA is not the same, and we don't really know how many there are of either group. The Jewish Virtual Library estimates there are 5,800,000 Jews in the USA. Considering estimates between 1 and 7 milluon for the Muslim population, analysts writing for Christian Science Monitor suggest the best estimate is 2 million. Because of these uncertainties it would be very difficult to to work out the different risk to Jews or Muslims of experiencing hate crime even if we could collect absolute figures for the number of hate crimes experienced by each group. The later enterprise is any case flawed by (1) under-reporting of hate crime by all victim groups; (2) different definitions of hate crime by different organizations; (3) compilation of reports by partisan organizations.

#72 Creepers:

Hear, hear.

76 JimmytheClaw  Fri, May 7, 2004 1:41:34am

dhimmi watch has a good robert spencer write up on this subject

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

77 Bigger Diggler  Fri, May 7, 2004 1:53:22am

"Hate crimes" against Muslims are up more than 70% this year...

They must be using some sort of weighted statistical method that I am unaware of. For instance, last year there were 10 muslims, each of whom was offended by the same pro-Israel/anti-terrorist "United We Stand" poster.

This year, the same 10 muslims were now offended by the emergence of LGF, plus 3 were upset by the "Islam Sucks" graffiti painted on a freeway underpass by a drunken nut. In addition, 4 Islamic college students were bent out of shape by an International Relations Professor who pointed out that prior to every major Arab attack against Israel, there were seething masses of Arabs - bulgy eyed and frothing - wildly calling for Jihad to drown the Joos in the sea.

Is that how you get an increas of 70 percent?

78 scaramouche  Fri, May 7, 2004 2:10:50am

If we were to apply CAIR's leniant standard to Hate Crimes against Jews, the incidence would probably be up by 500 per cent.

79 Earl  Fri, May 7, 2004 2:12:54am

#65, #73

Re: Reza #58

He's been posting for a while at JihadWatch. Periodically, someone will be bothered to poke a stick at him, but he's generally ignored.

Don't simply discount his posts, though. He appears to be an Iranian Muslim, in denial of his advanced, noble Persian, Zoroastrian antecedents. He also has a very limited knowledge of the theological foundation of islam.

Although you will eventually find him tiresome and repetitive, he really does represent the unadorned face of islamism. As such, IMHO, he serves a purpose on BBSs such as these.

81 Ed Moran:Abu This Place is a Neocon Disgrace!  Fri, May 7, 2004 2:28:19am

70WB

My wife has her BS from the U of H.

I took her to the UH-Texas football game in Austin a couple of years ago. She wore a Cougar Red shirt. Then we went to a bar (Baby Acapulcos, IIRC) and drank a couple of purple margaritas. Thank goodness the hotel room was nearby so we didn't have to drive.

Texas won that game, but the best wide receiver ever to play college football suffered a hamstring injury, forcing him to miss the Oklahoma game, which the good guys then lost.

82 Logic  Fri, May 7, 2004 2:32:52am
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future, but I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education." - CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad

This offends ME to no end, and should also offend every true American. Does that make Ahmad guilty of an anti-American hate crime?

83 Sta-Puft  Fri, May 7, 2004 2:40:57am

OT: Context.

84 Eric  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:20:21am

I'd like some sort of report documenting all the instances in which these 'Muslim advocacy groups' act like whiny little bitches. They remind me of nothing so much as little boys, trying to act tough and then crying when they don't get their way.

Grow the hell up.

85 scaramouche  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:24:41am

I'm sure this must have been posted in the TLF thread, but it's so awesome that I just have to give it another shout out: Allah the Magnificent on the Saudi's clueless NYT bum boy.

86 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:44:11am

VDH scores another bulls-eye - The Wars for the West

87 Smit  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:46:23am

OT - ROPMA Bombs mosque, kills 12.

Karachi mosque blast 'kills 12'

"We are at the mercy of terrorists who are getting bolder because they are not being punished. Now we have to defend ourselves." Hasan Turabi, Shia cleric
88 Ed Moran:Abu Shellback  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:54:14am

I used to work at 777 Post Oak, a few floors above the Consulat General de France.


I don't work there anymore, and thats good, as the Frog consulate will be seeing major seethage.


They refused to issue a visa to a Bangladeshi woman seeking travel to France because she wouldn't uncover for the visa photo.

These French people have been in Texas too long and are losing that warm dhimmi feeling

Local representatives of the Council on American-Islamic Relations denounced the French decision in the Subhi case.

"It's shocking how such discrimination can go across the border," said Najat Elsayed, spokeswoman for the local CAIR office.


Shocking! Shocking!

89 Miss Trixie  Fri, May 7, 2004 3:57:14am

This essay by Larry Abraham is an incredile eye-opener. Take the author's advice and send copies to your friends, relatives - anyone who needs to understand the real threat to Western civilization.

"The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center.

It began with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his plans and programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target.
Remember "America Held Hostage"?

Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete.

Read it all. We are at a critical apex in history - the "Third Jihad" which will coldly determine whether the West will live or die.

90 Dom  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:04:43am

I think it's a sensitive thing and if we can't talk about and counter problems within Islam and Muslims while at the same time ensuring we don't permit blanket bigotry, that is a flawed response. When a Muslim defaces a synagogue every opportunity democracy affords should be taken to highlight and arrest the problem, and I expect Muslims to do the same regarding mosques. To the extent CAIR might be overhyping without fully addressing problems we know are inherent in CAIR and other organisations, eg a desire to overpower western institutions and other faiths, it is fair to say so, with the caveat that no vandalism or abuse, however petty, is tolerable. Even towards Islamic institutions which eschew democracy, that response is proper. And then a whole ton of other issues with the agenda of CAIR and the like will be apparent rather than risk getting lost in a fog of vindictiveness. Because let them be held to their own standards as we all are.

I should add that any sucker who buys the post 9/11 Dawah (conversion) drive needs their head tested. If you meet them this is self-evident.

91 Ed Moran:Abu Shellback  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:07:09am

Although NWS has a dry forecast for HOU area today, I noticed some mid-level CU (ACCAS?) this morning driving to work, and although the mid level ridge remains strong, there is a very weak upper low over West Texas that may lower CIN just a tad. The presence of thunderstorms over the Gulf east of the mouth of the Rio Grande also suggests the cap isn't impossibly strong

Latest IR satellite picture of GOMEX


No low level focus, however, I just checked local obs, and winds are basically calm in HOU area. So as the sun starts doing its work and temps rise into upper 20s across SE Texas, the temperature difference with the ~23C waters in the Gulf may develop a seabreeze, and thus a convergence boundary that could act as a local trigger. (For a seabreeze to get going, winds have to be light).

So I'm thinking we could see a few scattered showers/thundershowers towards maximum afternoon heating. Most people will stay dry, which is a bad thing, because after the 5 to 10cm rains of last Saturday, it looks like the next decent chance of rain in HOU will hold off until late next week.

No active tornado warnings Chicagoland, although strong storms pushing into Indiana.

92 Ed Moran:Abu Shellback  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:10:07am
93 Ratbert  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:13:39am
Friday prayer obligations kept him out of the office all afternoon. The situation was resolved; the employee doesn’t need to be in the office and, it seems, doesn’t need to make up the hours

All afternoon, every Friday? Please. The EEO laws in the U.S. only require reasonable accomodation, not anything the employee can dream up.

94 DP111  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:25:33am

Talking of lies, LIes and LIES, I wonder if LGFers have come across this

[Link: www.gravett.org...]

95 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:26:14am
96 Laxmi  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:30:46am

OT.. but.. he he he

Pakistani intelligence claims to have broken up an unnamed terrorist group plotting to extinguish the Sun, thus sending the Earth to a dark and frigid death. Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali explained, "We believe the group was in the acquisition stages, beyond planning. We have evidence that they were looking into solar sail technology that would enable them to deliver a device to the Sun. Certainly, this accomplishment shows Pakistan's continued commitment to and value in the U.S. fight against terrorism."

Pakistan Breaks Up Plot To Extinguish The Sun

97 Ed Moran:Abu Shellback  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:32:12am

I thought the Koran didn't even have anything about a dedicated "Sabbath" type day.


On the other hand, I'm of mixed feelings. Although I don't think I'd mind a 3 day weekend every week, (I think I'd rather work 4 days x 10 hours), I'd hate to do anything that makes these people feel like they've accomplished anything.

98 Joseph  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:32:42am

Fellow LGFers:

Today is the deadline for me to submit my appeal for calling a terrorist-sympathizer a terrorist (in a nutshell). As part of my appeal, I wanted to include a listing of all terror attacks against Jews that have taken place here in the US (eg the Kahane assasination, Ari Halberstam, the Empire State Building shooter, the LAX El Al shooter, etc.)

I thought I'd easily find the list thru Google but have come up empty so far. Can anyone direct me to such a list?

Thanx,
Joseph

99 CastorOil  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:33:24am

Recently I came across an old piece of news - CAIR Canada chasing a law student who wrote an anti-Islamic article "In Allah we trust" - March 12, 2001 (!) in response to unabashed pro-sharia propaganda.

The article, published last month* in Obiter Dicta, the student newspaper at Osgoode Hall Law School of York University, brought a flurry of complaints, apologies from the school's dean and the university's president, and attention from an Islamic lobby group based in Washington, D.C.

Peter W. Hogg, dean of Osgoode Hall, said he was embarrassed by the article."The article was essentially a criticism of Islamic law but it also made some unjustified criticisms of the Islamic belief system. It was very offensive to Muslim students," he said. "I started to get just a torrent of e-mails from Muslims all over North America."

The article was highlighted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations as being particularly "Islamophobic."

Written by Demitry Papasotiriou, a law student, the article was a response to a series of articles in the newspaper written by a Muslim student on shariah, the Islamic law. Mr. Papasotiriou did not like the publishing of what he called religious propaganda, and called Islam an affront to basic human dignity, adding it contained absolutely nothing spiritual. He summarized the religion as being a hybrid of "the worst elements of communism and fascism co-existing in a monstrous symbiosis."

[Link: www.campus-watch.org...]
*This was written before 9/11 - I hope Mr. Papasotiriou has a brilliant career.

100 CastorOil  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:41:56am

#98 Joseph - have you tried to contact the Simon Wiesenthal Centre? [Link: www.wiesenthal.com...]

101 ronnie schreiber  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:42:27am

Compare the self-generated statistics of (I hardly)CAIR to the way the ADL compiles their reports about anti-Jewish acts in the US. Though the ADL isn't my favorite Jewish group, at least their materials are factual. The ADL's statistics for hate crimes against Jews are taken from police reports and other gov't vetted statistics.

They still show that Jews are much more likely to be targeted victims of bigotry than Muslims.

102 mickthemick  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:46:58am

#101 ronnie

They still show that Jews are much more likely to be targeted victims of bigotry than Muslims.

Here in (supposedly) tolerant San Francisco, almost every schul and Jewish school employs security guards. Even the new Jewish Cmmty. Cntr. still has a security guard standing in front of it 24/7. I've never seen such precautions taken at Bay Area mosques simply because they are unnecessary. Yet, CAIR makes mountains out of molehills.

103 Alouette  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:47:00am

Crazy Angry Insane Ragheads consider it a "hate crime" when the insolent kuffar walks past them in the street and does not lower his gaze or step off the sidewalk.

104 Alouette  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:49:38am
105 MakeMineRed  Fri, May 7, 2004 4:59:02am

OT

I stumbled across Shamela.net, which is an Arabic-language forum site. Topics are many, but include Iraq, Palastine (sic), and War on Terror. Would be interesting to know what's being said in those forums. Found a link to a conference on terrorism held in Riyadh at the Al-Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud Islamic University back in April (www.islamstand.org), and, although information is hard to find about the actual presentations, there is an English-language page for at least some of the papers presented: [Link: www.islamstand.org...] Skimmed one paper by Philip Neib, a professor of journalism at Marquette. Quotes Sontag on the stupidity of the American public to start off - not a good sign. Ends up by misrepresenting America's shift in foreign policy as a shift to imperialism: "The world’s most powerful nation was going to use its power whenever it decided to, and other countries could either join in or get out of the way." Funny, I seem to recall it differently: that we would use our power _not_ whenever we decided to, but whenever we were threatened. Not too different from the Monroe Doctrine, the crushing of the Barbary Coast pirates, or the Cuban missile crisis. I think the paper does attempt to be fair, and the topic of media representation of terrorism is important, but the overall conclusion I drew was that the author thinks the media misrepresents itself at every turn, which is ironic considering his misrepresentation of America's foreign policy.

MakeMineRed

106 Yankev  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:04:43am

#65
Q- You mean #58 WASN'T satire?

107 Joseph  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:08:49am

Thanks Castor Oil.. Haven't found anything yet but will call them shortly (am waiting due to time difference btwn coasts).

Hard to believe that nobody seems to be keeping track of attacks!!!

108 Yankev  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:11:49am

#66

I like the 'chick' soldier with the leash. And the casual way they are behaving makes me think this was done under orders.

Makes me think just the opposite -- the handful of idiots who did this did not realize they were doing anything wrong. Why not? Not because they were under orders, but because they grew up with American Pie, Something About Mary and a culture (to use the term very loosely) that says this kind of thing is just normal high spirits. Take a look at Kathleen Parker's column,

The best American values, in spirit if not always in practice, respect human life, dignity and the rule of law.
But some of what happened at Abu Ghraib, specifically the sexualized humiliations, may reflect American culture, especially in the instance of the naked human pyramid, which is nearly iconographic within the adolescent zeitgeist that spawned our current generation of soldiers.
The images from Abu Ghraib, now irreversibly tattooed on the Arab brain, were every frat-house cliche magnified. The human pyramid, males mooning, masturbation, bags over heads. What we saw, at least in part, was "The Farrelly Brothers Do Baghdad."
How else to explain the giddy photographs of young soldiers mugging for cameras and giving the thumbs-up sign beside humiliated prisoners, naked and masturbating? Another Farrelly movie, "Dumb and Dumber," comes to mind


I don't want to overstate my case by insisting that the culture made 'em do it, but we'd be missing a few dots if we didn't admit that the culture that birthed our young soldiers has dumbed down the definition of human dignity.

When dumb is deadly

Yankev

109 CastorOil  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:14:51am

2002 Hate Crime Data

931 anti-Semitic crimes were reported, a slight decrease from 1,043 in 2001. Overall, crimes against Jews and Jewish institutions comprised 12.5% of all the bias-motivated crimes - and 65% of the religious-based crime incidents.

The number of reported anti-Islamic crimes decreased from 481 in 2001 to 155 in 2002, a decrease of 67.8%. In addition, the number of hate crimes directed at individuals on the basis of their national origin/ethnicity also decreased significantly - from 2,098 in 2001 to 1,102 in 2002.

Joseph, you may try this site too: [Link: www.partnersagainsthate.org...]

110 Reepicheep  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:23:52am

I wonder how many of those "hate crimes" were simply "Jews making that constant breathing sound" or such.

111 Yankev  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:32:15am

#72 Evan

I'm relativley new here myself, but this blog is about speaking up for what is right. And you ARE right. Often the type of comments you mention are posted out of anger, as well as taken out of context. Sometimes they are NOT taken out of context. But any way you look at it, and whether they make you uncomfortable (as they do me), they are used against us by the left in order to make it look as though only racists speak out against terrorism -- and, by extension, to help the LLLs whitewash the terrorism. In some ways they are the blogosphere equivalent of the Abu Gahrib photos.
Yankev

112 Mary  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:42:21am

I pass this along - (received from friend in Marines)

Subject: Letter from a Marine First Lieutenant in Iraq

Hello Everyone, I am taking time to ask you all for your help.

First off, I'd like to say that this is not a political message. I'm not concerned about domestic politics right now. We have much bigger things to deal with, and we need your help.

It seems that despite the tremendous and heroic efforts of the men and women serving here in Iraq to bring much needed peace and stability to this region, we are losing the war of perception with the media and
American people.

Our enemy has learned that the key to defeating the mighty American military is by swaying public opinion at home and abroad. We are a people that cherish the democratic system of government and therefore hold the will of the people in the highest regard. We love to criticize ourselves almost to an endless degree, because we care what others think. Our enemies see this as a weakness and are trying to eploit it.

When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands. Our natural tendency to question ourselves is being used against us to undermine our effort to do good in the world.

How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?" or "How can we change ourselves so that they won't do that again?"

Here in Iraq the enemy is trying very hard to portray our efforts as failing and fruitless. They kill innocents and desecrate their bodies in hopes that the people back home will lose the will to fight for liberty.

They are betting on our perceived weakness as a thoughtful, considerate people. Unfortunately our media only serves to further their cause.

In an industry that feeds on ratings and bad news, a failure in Iraq would be a goldmine. When our so-called "trusted" American media takes a quote from an Iraqi doctor as the gospel truth over that of the men and women that are daily fighting to protect the right to freedom of press, you know something is wrong. That doctor claimed that out of 600 Iraqis, that were casualties of the fighting, the vast majority of them were women, children and the elderly. This is totally absurd. In the history of man, no one has spent more time and effort, often to the detriment of our own mission, to be more discriminant in our targeting
of the enemy than the American military. The Marines and Soldiers serving in Iraq have gone through extensive training in order to limit the amount of innocent casualties and collateral damage.

Yet, despite all of this, our media consistently sides with those who openly lie and directly challenge the honor of our brave heroes fighting for liberty and peace.

What we have to remember is that peace is not defined as an absence of war. It is the presence of liberty, stability, and prosperity. In the face of the horrendous tyranny of the former Iraqi regime, the only way true peace was able to come to this region was through force. That is what the American Revolution was all about. Have we forgotten?

Freedom is not free and "peace" without principle is not peace. The peace that so-called "peace advocates" support can only be brought to Iraq through the military. And we are doing it, if only the world will
let us!

If the American people believe we are failing, even if we are not, then we will ultimately fail. That is why I am asking for your support. Become a voice of truth in your community. Wherever you are fight the lies of the enemy. Don't buy into the pessimism and apathy that says, "It's hopeless," "They hate us too much," "That part of the world is just too messed up," "It's our fault anyway," "We're to blame," and so forth.

Whether you're in middle school, working at a 9-5 job, retired, or a stay-at-home Mom you can make a huge difference! There is nothing more powerful than the truth. So, when you watch the news and see doomsday predictions and spiteful opinions on our efforts over here, you can refute them by knowing that we are doing a tremendous amount of good.

Spread the word. No one is poised to make such an amazing contribution to the everyday lives of Iraqis and the rest of the Arab world than the American Armed forces. By making this a place where liberty can finally grow, we are making the whole world safer. Your efforts at home are directly tied to our success. You are the soldiers at home fighting the war of perception.

So I'm asking you as a fellow fighting man: Do your duty. Stop the attempts of the enemy wherever you are. You are a mighty force for good, because truth is on your side.

Together we will win this fight and ensure a better world for the future.

God Bless and Semper Fidelis,
Subject: Letter from a Marine First Lieutenant in Iraq

113 Yankev  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:44:40am

#98 Nothing like waitng until the last minute. Does the Ant-Defamation League [Link: www.adl.org...] have anything?

Don't forget the van full of Jewish kids who were fired upon by Arabs while driving across the Brooklyn Bridge in the mid-1990s.

Question: do the riot against Jews in Crown Heights (when NYC polcie were under orders not to protect Jews from violence) and the murder of Yankel Rosenblum count? These were instances of ethnic hatred, but were not aimed at political change.

114 Pete (detroit)  Fri, May 7, 2004 5:53:55am

#58 Reza -
We will stop warring against Muslims when they stop attacking us.
What is so freaking hard to understand about that?

115 ali-ali-akbar-free  Fri, May 7, 2004 7:31:12am

They say Mohhamed's coming wasn't pre-announced, there is nothing worse than a rude savior!

*BADUM-PISCH!*

116 Dom  Fri, May 7, 2004 8:17:48am

Mary,

Thank you for passing that on. Please thank your friend, and for everything.

117 NY Nana  Fri, May 7, 2004 8:22:25am

#104 Alouette

Uh, could you try to be a little stronger in your advice to CAIR? That was sort of wimpy!

ROFLMAO!!!

118 NY Nana  Fri, May 7, 2004 8:37:55am

#113 Yankev

Don't forget the van full of Jewish kids who were fired upon by Arabs while driving across the Brooklyn Bridge in the mid-1990s.


Ari Halberstam zt'l is one of the innocent victims of the victims of the Brooklyn Bridge shooting who we can never forget.

Devorah Halberstam, his mother has been instrumental in assuring that what happened to her precious child is not forgotten, and that it be recognized as arab terrorism.

One of New York City’s first victims of Islamic-fundamentalist terrorism was remembered this week.

Ari Halberstam, who was fatally shot at 16 on the Brooklyn Bridge by a Lebanese-born livery car driver 10 years ago, was honored at a bridge entrance ramp that is named for him. Ari had been returning with a van full of chasidic teenagers from visiting the Lubavitcher Rebbe in a Manhattan hospital.

About 100 people, including politicians and friends of Ari, attended the ceremony.

Ari’s mother, Devorah Halberstam, who helped write anti-terrorism legislation that was passed four years ago by the State Legislature, called for legislators and Gov. George Pataki to support a toughened bill that includes penalties for people who provide financial or other support to terrorists.

“Post 9-11, the whole world has changed,” Halberstam said. “Terrorism has become a real thing to most people. What happened to Ari was not an isolated attack.”

Halberstam said she has spent the last decade raising consciousness about the threat of terrorism. “My hope is that I can change things for other children and other parents. I will continue to work on behalf of Ari’s memory and other victims of terrorism. The work never finishes.”



119 Yankev  Fri, May 7, 2004 9:24:35am

#118
Thank you, Nana; I couldn't think of the name. So many, too many, here and especially in Israel.

Not long ago the J Post ran an article by a friend of my wife. They were in Bnai Akiva together in high school in the US some 30+ years ago. The friend and her husband made Aliyah, and article was about what her first Yizkor felt like-- her parents are living, may they be well, but her son was an IDF medic who was killed by a sniper at Jenin.

HaShem yinkom v'demam -- Ari Halberstam Hy'D, Ari Weiss Hy'd, and all the others murdered by those who would destroy am Yisroel.

Have a gutten Shabbos.
Yankev

120 NY Nana  Fri, May 7, 2004 10:07:27am

#119 Yankev

When you take the number of innocent Jews murdered in cold blood, for daring to live in Eretz Yisroel, to the world it is not terribly impressive. However, when you take the world's population of Jews, and break the numbers down, which I cannot do, it is alarming.

Here is the list, sadly up to date . When you click on the details, and the photos, so many memories come flooding back...just as in the Shoah, we look at faces, so young, so full of hope and promise. The age range covers the spectrum, for the nazimuslims have no respect for an unborn baby in it's mother's womb, a lively, precious baby, toddler, any aged child, woman, the elderly...no one. We see Devorah Halberstam on TV here, and they replay the horrific shooting also. She is a true Ayshet Chayil.(woman of valor)

Yes, Ari Halberstam zt'l indeed was the first known Jewish victim of these terorists. It has come to the point that a Jewish organization should have a list by country, similiar to the JPost one, of murderd Jews, killed for the 'crime' of being Jewish, while Jew hate is pandemic.
The daughter of a very dear friend who I lost last August lives in Modi'in. She and her husband made Aliyah about 10 years ago. They have been to more funerals at their age (late 20's) than I have at the age of 66. A family who they have stayed with many times for Shabbat lost both father and son in seperate terorist attacks. When one Jew is murdered, Klal Yisroel mourns.

May no more families in Eretz Israel have to mourn a victim of terrorism by the RoP...our children are so traumatized.

Helping Kids Cope with Terror

Shabbat shalom to you and your family!

AM YISROEL CHAI!!!


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