Just imagine the positive changes that could be wrought if the family's "honor" could be relocated to between the male members' legs (or the male members er, members).

This was in the Telegraph a while back. Horrific.

The horror of this is just beyond words. I can't believe of a society that thinks this is right.

This is one of the articles to cram down the collective throats of the LLL when they whine about how the Palestinians should have their own country.

OT: World's biggest skyscraper is being built...in Dubai...by Bin Laden's family

Actually read (and posted :-P this a while back. Truly, truly sickening. Yet, once again, where is the outrage ?!? And does anyone have any clue as to what her 'mother' was giving her to drink?

#6 RWC

And does anyone have any clue as to what her 'mother' was giving her to drink?

Poison. It's the cleaner way of getting rid of unruly daughters. But if that fails, petrol and matches does the trick.

OT:

Someone already posted this but Zeyad has a horrifying entry about the murdering of doctors and other educated people in Iraq. It's really important to read, check it out here.

The BBC news has Orla Guerin on just now, with the story about the British war graves in Gaza, wrecked as a reaction to the treatment of prisoners in Iraq. There are some palestinians (male) seething and whining to her as I write.

So how would they feel if their family graves were wrecked in protest at their abuse of their own womenfolk?

Honor killing is about the most ignorant emotional response concievable (no pun intended). How unbelievably selfish to think the shame you feel is more important than the life of your own family member!

#5 D-Berg

Don't we have a bunch of jets in mothballs in Arizona?

OT: UN Peacekeepers accused of serious crimes in Eritrea, including pedophilia.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

What, no photos?

#5 D-Berg Wrote:

OT: World's biggest skyscraper is being built...in Dubai...by Bin Laden's family

Wow. Now that is ironic. It would sure be a shame if just before it is completed, it were to mysteriously topple over, killing 3000 terrorists.

Also OT:

The VOICE OF PALESTINE described the men who carried out the attack that left a pregnant mother and her four children dead as "an act of heroic martyrdom." The VOICE OF PALESTINE radio station repeatedly used the term "is tish-had" (heroic martyrdom in Arabic) and "mustash-hidin" (heroic martyrs) to describe the act committed by "two youths". After reporting the attackers’ names, the radio repeated again that they were heroic martyrs. Widlanski recorded the VOP constantly referring to the victims of the shooting attack only as "five settlers" without mentioning that the attack claimed that they were a pregnant woman and her four children.

The Monday morning broadcast of the Voice of Palestine added that that the five “settlers” who were killed were "mukharibun" - terrorists. The reference to the settlers as “terrorists” was in a VOICE OF PALESTINE report that the settlers were preparing to build a new neighborhood in a settlement near Gaza. Once again, VOICE OF PALESTINE did not condemn the attack that killed a pregnant mother and her four children, but did vigorously condemn the "cowardly act" by Israel of attacking a Hamas radio station which had exhorted Palestinians to carry out further attacks against Israelis. There were no reported Arab casualties in that Israeli attack.

I'm sure that all of the Dumbocrits and their TV pundits will be all over condemning these bigoted f*cks for their high level support of acts that violate the Geneva Convention. Oh wait. That's right. They just hate jews and americans who support jews. So it wouldn't serve their cause to complain about this. Oh well.

While the Paleonazis continue to figure out ways to immolate women, and innocents, those dang Jooos keep inventing things like the kosher shabbos light.

I know! Let's give them a state!

'Cause we all know, Honor Killings have nothing to do with True Islam™.

*spit*

Hanan was a beautiful girl, very dark and prettier than me, with thick hair and heavy eyebrows that joined above her eyes. She was not thin like me.

A fat girl with a thick unibrow. That's hott!

I have seen the definition of savagery in this account of murder. Is it any wonder that they hold their children in such disdain? The innocence of the questions as to why she was killed are astonishing...but not surprising. The children of the Palestinians are placed in front of IDF tanks, Yassin hid amongst them when he was outside; they are just objects to the terrorists and the barbarism of the punishment is abhorrant. A very good friend of mine is in the Israeli military. Even the most grotesque crimes reported are nothing compared to what we never hear about. The four contractors, in Iraq, were shot, fire bombed in their car, dragged out of their vehicles, still alive, beaten so badly and terrorized that body parts were strewn in the street, then they were hung and lit on fire. That is the true events that cost those men their lives.

And the Canadians are still eager to embrace Shari'a?

Sick twisted misogynist child-raping pederast terrorist savages.

Solution to Islamofascist extremism = Give women police badges and Kalashnikovs, then stand back and watch the fireworks.

OT to Colt

Have you seen this interview of
Michael Howard? Especially on Israel:

Where do you stand on targeted killings?

MH: I think it is very difficult and probably counterproductive for killings of the kind which have recently been carried out to continue.

Also check out the Israeli Boycott story on the same site.

Israel has been urged to boycott the Athens Olympics this summer after organisers refused to list the nation’s capital city on its official website.

(The Olympic authorities think Jerusalem is the capital of 'Palestine' not Israel).

OT: François Témime, age 22, was arrested by French police, allegedly for a driving infraction. He was wearing a Magen David. This infuriated the cops, as they told him this "does not give you any special rights" before beating him. He spent 6 days in hospital and lost part of his sight - but did not get a ticket.

That happened in Paris, on April 18, 2004.

I'm a dad to two little girls. I can't get close to understanding how anyone could do this.
Music from the 80's: "Let's hope the Russians love their children too." Obviously the Palestinians don't.

#20 Mr Pol

That's terrible.

Now why do I get the impression that some feelings of guilt were part of the motivation for their treatment of him? Just an impression...

Savages. F**king savages.

Reminds me of what Lord Napier, British G-G over India, told the locals when they complained about his banning of the Suttee (honor killing):

"It is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and hang them."

The solution to Gaza and the West Bank is simple: Bomb it, pave it, sell it to Disney.

#15 evariste

LMAO! Don't make me laugh on a thread like this...

#19 RC neo-Jew

Figures. First, he's a Tory. Second, he has to demonstrate he's anti-Israel. Third, he's a coward.

#20 Mr Pol

Huh. No Jewish response. For now.

Lord Napier had the right idea.

Colt! Thanks for introducing me to Explosions in the Sky. Just got my copy of Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place today, I've been listening to it for a few hours and I'm loving it. Reminds me of Sigur Ros in one way, and Modest Mouse in another. Beautiful.

I'm stoned, too, which helps :-)

#26 evariste

No problem. I haven't got Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place, but Those Who Tell the Truth... is incredible. I've been meaning to buy some Sigur Ros - any recommendations? I haven't heard of Modest Mouse.

LOL! I was going to say that listening to EITS is probably better stoned :-)

I've only listened to Agætis Byrjun (sp?) and () by Sigur Ros, and I think both are just incredibly beautiful. Agætis Byrjun made me cry the first time I heard it.
Modest Mouse is, well, kinda hard to describe. Are you on IM? I can send you a couple representative songs maybe to give you an idea. I've not listened to their very newest (just came out) but I've got everything else.

Modest Mouse is definitely emotionally expressive music, but I personally think the lyrics are stronger than the musicianship. Still well worth a listen though, one of my favorite bands.

I read this earlier and was repulsed by the sheer savagery. It certainly provides context for the car swarms, hamas death rallies, and child abuse images.

How do you rehabilitate this culture? On an individual basis, such behavior would be universally viewed as criminal, or at least conclusive of mental illness, thus forcing the state to lock him/her up to protect others in the society. However, when such patterns of behavior are endemic to an entire people, it is simply called "culture" to be viewed through the lens of relativism. How do we protect ourselves from an entire culture that is homicidal??? arrrgh.

What a comforting thought to think that thanks to the joys and wonders of multiculturalism and a most liberal immigration policy, these beautiful specimens of humanity are now our next door neighbours, and perhaps, if we are really fortunate, in-laws to-be.
/sarcasm

Nope, not on IM. Have a listen to this lot. I'm not sure if I like them or not.

G'night, all.

This is not the first such account I have read. You would think that stories like this would have some effect, yet so many still think WE are the enemy.

Can we afford to wait 600 years for Islam to catch up to some semblance of modernity? When people of this mindset have nukes, bioweapons, all the deadly toys of Western technology? There have been reports that Israel won't wait for Iran to get a nuke, for all our sakes I hope they take it out, but eventually some Allahnoid will get hold of some horrible weapon and then the consequences will be beyond comprehension. We can only postpone it, not stop it, I'm afraid. Then waht? A war of annihlation and genocide?

I can't understand why half our country can't see the gravity of this threat.

#5 D-berg

OT: you've been scarce!

A while back you mentioned Flo and Eddie in a post as if they were LLLs. I assume you mean the Phlorescent Leech and Eddie (Turtles / Mothers).

I'm keen to know what you meant.

Thanks in advance.

'Night :-) If you see this before you go to sleep, check out Modest Mouse's The Moon and Antarctica, as well as Building Nothing Out Of Something.

re evariste #27

now that's not fair

These people are barbarians. No more needs be said than that.

And check out the doctors:

Three or four days later, I still hadn't eaten or drunk anything since being admitted to hospital. I knew they were letting me die because it was forbidden to intervene in a case like mine. I was guilty in everyone's eyes. I would endure the fate of all women who sully the honour of men. They had only washed me because I stank. They kept me there because it was a hospital where I was supposed to die without creating more problems for my parents and the village.

veebee-well, one doctor saved her life, and it was probably the same person that got in touch with whatever organisation rescued her and took her to Europe.

Oops, that was me.

#5 Let's blow it up.

I sent the article about the babykiller Palistinians to three lefty friends, with the subject line "from the Ottawa Citizen." And sans comment.

None needed.

These people treat their own families as brutally as the Gestapo treated Jews.

And think of the brainwashing, unto psychosis, that would make a mother smother NINE of her baby girls!!!

If this isn't evil, it does not exist.

And we're told we don't try hard enough to understand the differences of their culture?

What culture - I don't see any culture at all.

If we have to kill them to save them from themselves, that's a choice that they are making for us, not the other way around.

This is an astoundingly depressing narrative. And not least of the depressing details is that she concludes by saying, "I am still Muslim," though to be fair to her she also says she's a critic. I wonder what it would take for her to say, "I am not a Muslim anymore." Islam is so fierce and tenacious and unkillable, I wonder if it is the equivalent of

while (true) {
fork();
}

inside the computation device that is the human brain.

Wayne Brady
True, but shouldn't all doctors care for human life first and foremost?

The link to the Telegraph story of 26th April

while (true) {
fork();
}

Or even worse:

void evilHonorKillingRetard(void)
{
while(true)
{
fork();
evilHonorKillingRetard();
}
}

Does anyone else think this is freaky?

My father, I later learned, had made her promise that they would never see me again: "NEVER AGAIN!"

So different than what the Jews mean when they say the same thing.

#13 bubbaman

BRILLIANT!!!

(no pun intended :D )

-ron

#45 Ron

ahem.

KILL(1) Linux Programmer’s Manual KILL(1)

NAME
kill - terminate a process

SYNOPSIS
kill [ -s signal | -p ] [ -a ] [ -- ] pid ...

in real life we call this a "marine" . They come in very handy I've been told.

-ron (the other ron!)

#36

IIRC, someone said something to the effect that all Jews work toward a common goal...so I rattled off a list of Jewish individuals who were free-thinkers and did not explicitly support "organized Jewish interests", whatever those may be. Flo & Eddie were probably not LLLs but their music rebelled against the culture they grew up in.

I've been sharing this story with my Liberal dhimmi friends for a few weeks now. Not one comment in return so far.

Crickets chirping.

How ignorant for Arabs to believe that their family's honor begins in their daughter's vagina.

Sick f***ks

And those people are outraged at what happened at Abu Ghraib? Oh, I'm sorry -- its their culture, and everybody knows that one culture is as good as another.

Absolutely repulsive. Oh, sorry, Mr. Said, I forgot - we decadent westerners don't have the right to criticize Arab "culture."

Where is the so-called "women's movement"? Too busy condeming Israel for those evil "checkpoints," while ignoring the manner in which the Mohammedans treat their women.

And they have the temerity to pass judgement on us and our military?

Meanwhile, elsewhere in Canada today (as noted by Honest Reporting), the CBC blamed the Iraqi prisoner abuse on Israel.

Darwin Akbar:

The CBC is a commie infested sack o' shit excuse for a broadcaster...pay not attention to their freakazoid ways.

Evariste

Naughty boy;)

As for this topic, where is Lord Napier when he is needed!

OT

Cocktail hour!

Utterly depressing, but not at all surprising. These "traditions" of honor killings and infanticide will never be rooted out - they goes all the way back to Arab tribalism, predating Islam, and have never been condemned by religious authorities. As long as they are tolerated by that male-dominated society, they will continue. And what a coward her lover is, abandoning her to certain death. How manly of him.

I give thanks to God for not making me a Muslim woman.

That's "they go all the way back...

PIMF!

But, but but... The Americans they humilated a bunch of dumb asswipes and thats much much worse. You see we know we are dirtbags, but USA is held to a higher standard.

See, don't you see? THere isn't moral equivalence because we follow the law set down by the god of the moon...

And we 'gots our rights'. Could cair less protects.

How depressing. I want someone to tell me that the Palestinians love their children the same way we do.

Amy (#59)

I give thanks to God for not making me a Muslim woman.

Absolutely.

What is even more digusting is that this is the normal pattern in this "culture". We forcefully reformed the Japaneese and Germans after WWII.

In order to win this conflict we need to discredit the Islamofacists. I have read somewhere that BlackJack Pershing handled the Islamic uprising in the Phillipenes in an interesting manner. He buried these "myrtars" with pig intestines wrapped in pig skin. Oh the defilement.

Stuff like honour killings are a tribal thing rather than specifically Islamic. Problem is the dominant version of Islam comes from Arab society, the most tribal and primitive, and specifically from Saudi, the rectum of the earth.

Christian society, for all its faults, has been through an enlightenment, so is less prone to this primitive stuff.

What gets me is the myth that al cultures are equal. Of course they aren't. Western culture is vastly superior to all others.

I cannot understand how life could have so little value in such a death cult society, and how a female's life could be vastly less valuable than anything else.

Here is a quote that may have some relevance to the honor-killing practice. It's from The Arab Mind by Raphael Patai, in chapter VI.

To sum up: Arab ethics revolve around a single focal point, that of self-esteem or self-respect. The one most important factor on which the preservation of this self-esteem depends is the sexual behavior of the women for whom the Arab is responsible: his daughters and sisters.

It has something to do with self-esteem, maybe. But I still don't get it.

zulubaby 5/10/2004 05:57PM PST How depressing. I want someone to tell me that the Palestinians love their children the same way we do.

ZB, quite frankly, They don't. They use them as pawns in their sick little war and feuds. Where's Sting to write a song about that?

Jakester, I am sick of everything. The hypocrisy threatens to overwhelm me. As long as it's Jews being killed, nobody even pauses.

#51 Ron - more geeky semi-OT: In early Unix versions, before the suits got their hands on it, it was:

kill - terminate a process with extreme prejudice

Yep and we let these crazy bastards into Europe before more worthy individuals such as myself...Europe needs a kick in the head

They don't want to see this, they don't want to know this, and they keep saying, "This has nothing to do with Islam...it is merely cultural. " Glad I am liberated from the liars at last.

Those people are sick. Honor killings, beheadings on a daily basis, torture and rape. Keep them away from me!

What mystifies me is why this woman who was so totally victimized by Islamic barbarism remains a muslim.

This is not part of Islam but is part of Arab culture huh?
Ok good Now I feel better

... banned Suttee (honor killing):

Sati Pooja is not an honour killing. Its a sacrifice.

OT I read somewhere that the Suttee (Sati Pooja) tradition began as a method to prevent Muslims from marrying the Hindu widows and inheriting the property left by the deceased.

On the topic, just a few rambles. I read this article previously and cannot imagine how a people can exist without empathy or compassion. Frankly, I would prefer it if Muslims tried to win our hearts and minds by being honest and admitting that they don't know how to love each other. I have no use for cultures who practice The Art of Cain: Bloody Human Sacrifice. I have no respect for their culture (their religion). Now tell me, where is the honor for Muslims in that?

#59 Amy

I give thanks to God for not making me a Muslim woman

Amen.

My first Hat Trick - thanks Charles!

I think Saoud's book is the next one on my list to buy - among many others.

Thanks again, Charles!

=)

#77 Miss Trixie

Excellent catch...congrats.

Sad, very sad. These women should be killing the males instead of the females.

Reading things like this, I can't help but wonder what these "honor" killings are doing to the demographics of the region. We all know what tends to happen in a society where men greatly out-number women...

Many societies are male-dominated, but this is obviously so demented as to cause the mind to spin. I suspect that violence against Muslim women occurs in America, but we just don't see it in the newspapers. When we do, will the Muslims cry that we just don't understand that abuse and subjugation of women is part of their customs and mores?

#15 evariste

A fat girl with a thick unibrow. That's hott!

Thanks a lot man; you just made me do a spit-take over this tragedy.

Oops! #76

I definately meant Hat Tip, not Hat Trick!

Playoffs on my mind!

OT American beheaded in Iraq.
Funny, they don't mention it but he is most likely Jewish.

My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great." They then held the head out before the camera.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

As I said to Miss Trixie when she posted the link, the worst news I read was that, after all that horror, after living in an isolated "Islamist community" all her life, after seeing "infidel" kindness - she still clings to the Moslem label.

(Maybe she just doesn't want to provoke another attack.) Still sad beyond human speech.

Quick response:

#62 zulubaby 5/10/2004 05:57PM PST

"How depressing. I want someone to tell me that the Palestinians love their children the same way we do."

ZB, have you thought about the idea that smothering her infant keeps the baby from living the hellish life the mother endures? Warped as it is, this may actually *be* a form of love. (Yes, my stomach churns to think of it...)

This female infanticide also is a way to get the woman fertile again ASAP - lactating women often don't ovulate, so she can't try again for a boy until her milk dries up - 3 to 5 years in 3rd world cultures. (Added bonus: She doesn't get more beatings because hubby has to come up with another dowry in 8 to 10 years.)

***
#65 EE 5/10/2004 07:00PM PST

"To sum up: Arab ethics revolve around a single focal point, that of self-esteem or self-respect. The one most important factor ... is the sexual behavior of the women for whom the Arab is responsible: his daughters and sisters."

It has something to do with self-esteem, maybe. But I still don't get it.

Not your fault! Foolishness or a lie? Either way, you don't get it because it isn't true. The family's honor is based on "other-responsibility" - he passes the "honor buck" ("honor doe"?) to the women and girls. He is so spoiled, he isn't even responsible for his own esteem *or* respect. As a corrolary, he also isn't responsible for (or to) his own wife. Or his intended, in this case.

Whatever "goodies" the Islogical male can get, he can get at no price to himself. *That* notion is just *bound* to generate responsiblility, eh? No! ):^(

#80 Cousin Dave 5/11/2004 07:55AM PST

"Reading things like this, I can't help but wonder what these "honor" killings are doing to the demographics of the region. We all know what tends to happen in a society where men greatly out-number women..."

Warning: This is only speculation based on isolated scraps of data and general genetic research, but it does pose some interesting questions!

For years, I have yearned to see some stats on the male-pattern genetic defects/illnesses, etc. in a culture that marries first cousins as standard practice. This "keeps the honor (of the females) in the family (of the male line)," so there is a powerful cultural incentive to continue the practice. Also, modern genetic research has to be bent into a shape that suits the Qur'an, so much may be discarded or discounted by Islogic. (I don't know--but who knows? Maybe some Web site is cursing Johan Gregor Mendel as a "Zionist conspirator"!)

BTW, this inbreeding custom is only viable long-term if the genetic pool periodically brings in new members, such as raiding or slave trading, as I'll explain below.

I keep reading about families that produce many females, and just one or two boy children. Globally, boy births slightly outnumber girl births (and slightly more boys die before maturing.) I wonder if the "repeated first-cousin cross" boys are so genetically damaged by the first-cousin marriage custom that many boys just aren't viable (miscarried before they can survive birth, or die in utero--in the womb). That means, many more girls get born--and at a faster rate than normal if many "boy" pregnancies end early.

*If* the above situation is true, I don't think I'll see many complete stats on miscarriages, live birth ratios, or "genetically defective/unmarriageable" ratios.

But I wouldn't be surprised if there is an Islogical boy shortage.

An influx of female slaves gives an inbred Islogical population a genetic boost. As you can see, this "new blood" would be required fairly often because the inbred population concentrates its bad genes so quickly. Every 10-12 generations, the inbred characteristics would get so pronounced that the expression of recessive defects could hit a crisis point. So that is what, about 400 years? And the last big slave influx from Europe, Asia and Africa was around the 1500 to 1600s? Interesting math problem...

Many Islogical Saudi families cheerfully "take" or buy domestic help, notably the Hindu children they buy in India and Pakistan. These children are sold by desperate families, so they probably show the common signs of poverty: low intelligence (brains need nutrients), etc. These slaves may not seem like good breeding material to improve the "master's race" (hmmm!)

Currently, many Western converts are leaving Islam as soon as they learn about the harsher side of the RoP-MAD, and they are taking their children with them where possible. (I've read a lot of worry about naturalizing people leaving Islam lately, too.) So genetic diversity through conversion--er, "reversion" doesn't look as effective as it did 10 years ago.

There may be a looming genetic crisis at hand right now. A billion people may be looking for the genetic diversity they'd get if they acquire a few hundred million viable female slaves. (I'm not saying it is a conscious decision--but there may be a subliminal push to the current "Conquest and Capture" phase of Islogic.)

(I wonder if anyone has shared the huge STD-related sterility problem in the West with the Islogicals...)

Islamism is a savage culture of death and the so-called "Palestinians" are its most vile representatives. They don't belong in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza and should be transferred to their homeland of Jordan. This will only benefit them, as they are the biggest victims (after us Jews) of Arafat's tyranny.

Nice people. I wonder if she supports suicide bombings.

Maybe not--she said she doesn't support the customs anymore...

/Who unplugged the Irony?

Supports suicide bombings? I don't think we need to ask.

Do these tales of the ignorance and savagery in the Muslim fundamentalist world suprise anybody anymore? The imams and their brainwashed followers need to be deported from the West at the very least, and deported from the planet if we want to be on the safe side. They are truly the scum of the earth.