Pegged.

Like a shot in the heart.

no kidding

How dare Cox and Forkum question the humanity of the Fourth Estate!

/sarcasm off

I hope those Fifth Column punks burn next to the Islamist underanimals in Hell.

Primero!

Cartoon pretty much sums it up. They will go halfway cross the globe to humiliate the US, but while there, won't turn the camera for a few seconds to see a beheading by the scum or the remains of IDF being tossed about like the innards of a pinata, or a bullet riddled car with a two-year old straped in and shot dead.

As Obi Wan said, Scum and Villiany.

kudos to CNN, CBS, Al Jazeera, etc.

truly well done.

Wow. They get it every time.

As I have askedearlier...I wonder if the world and the media would express their outrage if the terrorists had placed women's panties over Bergs head before removing it from him...because that would have been humiliating to Berg.

Whoa!

Just another day for the 4th estate, fifth column, Ted Kennedy kissin', George Soros butt buddy, Democrat led, liberal left wing, coup mongering jihadi bait, media.

A picture is worth a thousands words...

And a Cox and Forkum cartoon is worth more than the entire front page of the New York Times.

Brilliant...and to think the cartoon of the year (last year) was that Sharon baby-eating garbage.

Wonder if this one will be in the running...not

Excellent cartoon.

I would very much like to be Comment #17.

Jamie Irons

Perhaps if I were to try again...

Jamie Irons

According to Indymediawhores...
-The Right Whale is in trouble...
-some crap's going on in India...
-Something about the Free Trade something...
-Apparently a couple of people were given wedgies and noogies at a place called "Abu Ghraib"...

BUT NOT A G*DDAMN WORD ABOUT THE BEHEADING OF AN INNOCENT CIVILIAN!

We should just feed the appeasers to the f*cking lions. How do they even sleep at night after saying the things they say? They operate on the same wavelength as our enemies. I don't get it. How does anybody ever get as arrogant as a progressive liberal?

Sergio Leone should make a movie about the Islamofascists and entitle it:

A Fist Full of Ugly

Jamie Irons

No, me!

Ha!

Well, Comment #16 is close...

Jamie Irons

God bless 'em.

Maybe they should do a spinoff cartoon with a speech of Bush apologizing while these guys are doing this in the background.

No more apologies! Fight this war, dammit.

zulubaby

Curse you!

;-)

Jamie Irons

The media and fat head Ted (Kenedy) are all in the same boat. It's a boat on a sea of non-issues without a paddle or a rudder.

And this is the crux.

The real issue of the day is survival, national security, defense, however you wish to frame it.

But if fat head ted, and his ilk were ever to pursue a real issue, it would automatically crowd out their non-issues.

And this drives them into a state of absolute panic.

To the world they appear what I call batshit crazy.

They've spent their entire existence blurring the distinction between a man's right to his life, and their plethora of faux rights. -- a 'right' to a job, healthcare, living wage, etc. They wear these charades as comfortably as any parasite.

And they've destroyed actual justice on a faux altar of 'social' justice. And now they can no longer see right from wrong. Even as the head actually rolls across their view screens.

Fat head Ted and his ilk sense the jig is up, time to look for a new host, a new con.

And as they ricochet from one non-issue to the next, their throats inch closer and closer to the jihadist's blade.

The jihadist is the most consistent and unyielding of them all, and death is the result.

It's no wonder their agitated, their world is colapsing like a dark and cold star.

But I love you, Jamie! ;-)

abc

Very nice post!

Jamie Irons

zulubaby

You just about made my heart stop with Comment #23!

;-)

Jamie Irons

Jamie Irons:

Re: #17:

Curses! Foiled again!

With Comment #23 now Comment #17 no longer seems like such a big deal...

;-)

Jamie Irons

Its ridiculous how much attention this issue receives.

I have read a few American bloggers who correctly state that the Abu Ghraib torture is more important for Americans because it hits home, and it was perpetrated by American soldiers.

I can't argue with that logic at all. Americans are understandably concerned and umcomfortable with what happened.

But why all the foreign media interest ?

The Arab media is abuzz. The European media is abuzz.

Even here in Australia, I am sickened by the nonstop coverage and analysis of the torture. The media is basically announcing to me that they we don't need to know about any genocide or torture perpetrated in Africa or other Arab states.

The worldwide, elitist, liberal media.

Interesting article, from Israpundit.

Is the time to deal with Hizb'allah soon?

Jamie :-)

Thanks for the sympathetic comment, Cam.

But as I said above, now my heart belongs to Comment #23.

;-)

(I am so fickle it's embarrassing!)

Jamie Irons

My advice to those who feel they must witness the infamy of these Islamic supremacists is to start with the pictures on Drudge. Seeing the stills first will help you deal with the video.

God comfort the Berg family in their loss...

I have nothing to add to the remarks on the previous thread concerning the depravity of the enemy. I onlly hope that justice comes swiftly and with finality.

Good hunting, Marines!

I woke today (Saudi time) swearing on my father's grave ,that the first MF Westener appeaser who tries to justify the beheading of that poor man is going to get it right in the mouth!

Jamie Irons:

LOL

#22 abc

So many rounds, so totally centered on the bullseye!

The siLLLy ones are like BBs rattling around in a can...

Cox and Forkum hit the mark squarely on target as usual. I am still in shock over this. I've seen it at least four times on film, but I don't see how anyone with a heart could grow jaded to it.

#28 Jono

The media is basically announcing to me that they we don't need to know about any genocide or torture perpetrated in Africa or other Arab states.

I too am sickened by the hypocrasy.

However, as a U.S. citizen, I take comfort in the fact that it's yet another indicator that WE'RE STILL #1, BABY!!!

The U.S. takes a dump, and it's front page news.

The Muslims could kill every infidel in Sudan, and it'd be buried on page 14.

Just take a tip from the show-biz professionals: "There is NO SUCH THING as bad publicity."

It doesn't matter so much WHAT they're saying, as long as they're talking about you.

Okay, so I'm an ugly American. What's it to you?

Today's Dallas Morning News editorial board call for the release of all photos and videos from the 'abuse' at Abu Ghraib Prison. I just sent them an e-mail wondering how many stills from Berg's murder will they have in tomorrow paper. God, the Press in the U.S. is pathetic.

Are cartoons supposed to make you cry?
This one did.

I am beyond despair with the media.

Brilliant!

I just watched the full video on a Spanish language station newscast.

It very well might be the most disgusting/frightening thing I've ever seen.

Top 5, at least.

Well, the media is one thing. But given how good we all know Muslims are about condemning unequivocally and absolutely all such atrocities, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Islamic clerics are lining up for miles just to make it clear they could never support something like this. [/sarcasm]

Can't we just defeat these asswipes and then concern ourselves with nation building ?

This war is not over until one side yells, enough !

And, draw and guarter this Zarqawi muthajumpa. Make him eat his living entrails.

look what i found now maybe the US can push west and the idf can go northeast hammer and anvil like

[Link: www.jta.org...]

The media at large has become a garbage can. The hotter it gets, the stinkier the garbage.

And the more maggots writhing around within...

It is time to arrest and kill every single iman and mullah world wide. They are nothing but fascists and need to be removed from the face of the Earth. Islam is not a religion, it is a terrorist institution that needs to be destroyed.

zulubaby is a #17 ignorant slut.

so there.

Can I ask a favor of LGF'ers? I know Charles/we concentrate on the Middle East and occasionally Europe becomes a concern.

But there is a blog that covers Germany and anti-Americanism in Germany that is very important to me.
It could use some LGF sensibility, i.e., intelligent ass-kicking.

David Kaspar

David's most recent post minus one is about the Spiegal online headline:

SPIEGEL ONLINE: "America Killing and Systematically Torturing Thousands of Iraqis with Government Backing"

It is a bi-lingual blog, but English-only speakers can manage there.

Would you please go over and participate? I would be grateful. I post there as 'Pamela'.

Many thanks.

As usual... they (C&F) are right on the money. Every American needs to witness the modus operendi that the average arab works within. I unfortunately am not sure the loony left will even comprehend what is going on. Hopefulle GWB will have the cojones to see to it that the appropriate spin is put upon these attrocities so that crap like Abu Graib is put into it's proper perspective.

grayp you sure as hell have a very warped way of asking.

Hugh Hewitt on the hypocrisy of the media (specifically, burying Ted Kennedy's most recent outrageous remark):

The danger to the war effort is not just in the propaganda that Teddy and others like Carl Levin provide the other side, but in the "outrage fatigue" they inspire in those fully committed to supporting the war and the elected and appointed officials leading it, and the military fighting it. The vast public can grow weary, not of the battles abroad, but of those at home. It is unpleasant stuff, to have to listen to Kennedy, and Leahy, and Theresa Heinz and the whole gang constantly assaulting us with absurd logic and bald lies, that we know to be lies but about which the dope of the day with the microphone says nothing and asks nothing. There is no one dogging Kennedy asking, "Senator, how many people did the U.S. military execute, and how does that compare with Saddam's total for the last year of his reign?" Watching the left escape accountability daily, and for the most outrageous statements like Kennedy's beery slander of the great and good American military --emphasis on good-- and the audience fears it has seen this movie before. Those of us born before 1960 get a sick feeling --it cannot be happening again, can it? Not after 9/11? The last time it was harder to see the consequences of retreat --the boat people, the Cambodian holocaust-- but not this time. This time retreat means death on these shores and in large, possibly overwhelming numbers. They came close to destroying the government less than three years ago, and Kennedy's outrage is unreported?

So I focus on the outrage I heard yesterday, not on the cover-up of Teddy's rantings in this morning's papers. The voters "get it." They know. The polls show a tight race, but that's a tribute to the fact that polling cannot anticipate the moment in the fall when the public looks up, looks at Kerry-Kennedy, and says, "Are you kidding? I want my kids to live, and I want this country to survive as it is, not as it would be if the jihadists grew in power and numbers. I don't like the war, but I understand its necessity. And the president and Rumsfeld and the whole bunch of them are serious, determined types who will get it done."

Link: [Link: hughhewitt.com...]

#49 NDMTNX

grayp you sure as hell have a very warped way of asking.

huh? I do? what?

Mark Steyn nails the media too in his new "Topical Take":

THE FACE OF THE TIGER. AGAIN.

An American, Nicholas Berg, is beheaded by al-Qa'eda in Iraq, and America's dopey media take the killers' word for it that they were driven to do it by the "humiliation" of Abu Ghraib: "Abuse Scandal's Deadly Fallout," says AOL, spinning for the Islamists, and accepting the basic premise that Bush and Rumsfeld drove the poor, frustrated terrorists into seizing a westerner and behead him. We have been here before, of course, over two years ago, in February 2002, in the episode that provided the title for The Face Of The Tiger. Back then, no media organization wanted to show Americans the death of Daniel Pearl, just as now they have no wish to show us the death of another victim of Islamofascism, or the brave final moments of an executed Italian hostage. The media are happy to show us Iraqi criminals on dog leashes night after night, because they shame Americans. To see the Berg or Pearl videos would anger Americans, and that doesn't suit the media's purposes. The Islamists have begun to figure this out. That AOL headline could just as easily have read "Abuse Scandal Media Overkill's Deadly Fallout". As I wrote below, the snuff video is the message. And the advice to Musharraf goes double for Bush: kill the tiger.

Link: [Link: www.steynonline.com...]

For a Few Americans More?

But you'll have to fight me for my Betamax copy of Once Upon a Time in Arabia.

I bet Westerns do well over there. Sam Peckinpah? John Ford? Bigger than Scheherazade, I'll bet.

grayp you sure as hell have a very warped way of asking.

Ha!

(#47) grayp:

Perhaps the first sentence in your comment was meant to be funny, but it is insulting and inappropriate.

Jamie Irons

Its dispicable that they murdered this innocent man.

As for Cox and Forkum - I see no evidence that the media isn't regarding Berg's dispicable death with the same importance as Abu Ghraib. CNN's Aaron Brown even scoffed at the assertion that it was done in response to Abu Ghraib.

I don't think they hit the mark this time. Bush is in trouble with Abu Ghraib and the media is just reporting it.

#53 spar

ha!

what? where did I miscommunicate?

I don't think you miscommunicated, per se. Just funny to construe it as a proposition. Or preposition.

#54 Jamie Irons

Perhaps the first sentence in your comment was meant to be funny, but it is insulting and inappropriate.

Don't like Airplane! much?

#55 Jack Frost

"I don't think they hit the mark this time. Bush is in trouble with Abu Ghraib and the media is just reporting it. "

Exploited it. Go stick your head back in the sand and wait for the knife.

Oh, but whatever you do, don't stack men in a naked pyramid. Imagine how uncomfortable and embarrasing that would be. All naked and in a pyramid. For shame.

Jamie, I think that you fail to understand that grayp and zulubaby have a little history...

FH (#60) wrote:

Jamie, I think that you fail to understand that grayp and zulubaby have a little history...

Guilty as charged, I guess...

And the Airplane! reference went over my head, too...

Look, work with me people. I don't live here at LGF!

;-)

Jamie Irons

Zulubaby's "friend" has a different take.

(Warning: For adults only)

Cox&Forkum = Pure Genious ! Summarizes it all so masterfully !

#54 Jamie Irons

Oooh. Thank you.

This is from an old Saturday Night Live routine between Dan Ackroyd and Jane Curtain when they played ideologically opposed anchors on a news program.

No matter what Jane said, Ackroyd would preface his response with "Jane, you ignorant slut".

Especially if she wanted to stake out a particular position (e.g., '#17').

I'm sorry. I did not anticipate that this particular cultural reference would go unrecognized and be misunderstood.

I sincerely apologize for any hurt, especially to you, zulubaby, and I sincerely apologize for not taking responsibilty ahead of time for not anticipating how my remark might be interpreted.

But please, do not let my stupid mistake distract from the point of my post. Please go over to Kaspar's blog and contribute.

Again, I'm very sorry.

Oh, but whatever you do, don't stack men in a naked pyramid. Imagine how uncomfortable and embarrasing that would be. All naked and in a pyramid. For shame.

Thats stupid. Rumsfeld is worried because Iraqis were wrongly stacked in a naked pyramid. Take your republican blinders off. YES. Berg's death is a reminder that we at war, but that doesn't give us license to do what we did at Abu Ghraib. Yes , its not nearly as bad as what the terrorists do. STILL, there is no reason on earth that American soldiers should have ever had the notion of committing that abuse.
Anyway, its still under investigation and I hear rape is a charge. that is not a light charge.

OT: Over 62,000 visitors today! Another theories any why so many today?

#62:

FOAD.

That should read "any theories on why so many today?"

grayp (#64)

No worries. I should have recognized the reference, as I recall the skit, now that you remind me of it.

(BTW, I went to high school with John Belushi, who was in my younger sister's class.)

;-)

Jamie Irons

(#62)

You are pathetic.

Jamie Irons

This cartoon is spot on with regard to the western media.

Islamic sites are sticking with stories about the poor oppressed "palestinians" and the evil Jews.

The cartoon sizes up things nicely... Arabs were angry about the humiliations at Abu Ghraib, but find the cold blooded murder of pregnant women, children, or non-combatant males as perfectly legitimate.

You could summarize their positon as "blood thirsty savages". Why the Western media goes along with this though, that is another story. Perhaps because racism is such a taboo in the west. Well racism is bad (because of it's misuse of genetics) but we've gone too far. Not all cultures are equally acceptable.

If the arabs are evil then the whole liberal world view must be discarded, so instead of trying to understand how wickedness (almost an anachronism, but if the shoe fits..) has taken hold of the arab world the Liberal west looks the other way. Needless to say, evil has never been defeated through apathy.

Finally, here in Israel, we are beginning to reexamine this issue. The way the palestinians acted towards the body parts of our soldiers has shocked us. Netanyahu has finally suggested that we cut off all electricity and water from Gaza until the scum there turn over the body parts they are holding as ransom. Since they are in any case not paying what they owe for this it is long past due.

#65 Jack Frost -- I have to defend justdanny. The abuse pictures are humiliation. The Islamofascists fear humiliation more than death. These were the worst of the worst of Iraqi criminals. Jessica Lynch was sodomized and raped, and our other POW's were brutally tortured. If it were my fellow soldiers who endured these things at the hands of the Iraqis I might be deranged enough to at least break their spirit in the manner that would be most effective. This isn't a game where the losing team shakes hands with the winner and says 'good game'. These vermin, if given a chance, would do so much worse to our men and women, and I believe the restraint shown by our soldiers in the prison should be commended. We could have just shot them all in the head, and called it a battle. But we didn't kill them. It's war. The muslims will do the unthinkable to win. We didn't behead them on film. We just took their dignity, not their lives.

This is wierd too. They take an article about kitten cruelty in the Army, and give it a new headline to link it to the un-hijabed prisoners.

#65 JackShit

"Anyway, its still under investigation and I hear rape is a charge. that is not a light charge. "

If rape is proven then let the culprits pay. *I* hear the rape photos were scavenged from a porn site. Wait and see.

A light charge is only 50 to 70 grains of Pyrodex in a black powder gun. I'd prefer 120 grains for the job of blowing these islamist scum's heads to atoms. At least a .58 cal 500 grain minie ball would do the trick don't you agree?

I thought not. Focus focus focus.

#72 Ilan -- my family prayed hard for Israel today, and do everyday. G-d bless you all for being so brave.

What a black day. And I even had to pick my own music-- Le Sacre du Printemps. It speaks of renewal and the power of Nature. :-)

I love C&F. Sometimes humor is the best (and only) defense against outrage.

And Jamie Irons, you are fickle! And greedy! How many comment#17's must hang from your belt before you are satiated? Please don't stop the poetry contests, let's do heroic odes-- those are not too girly!:-)

Iron Fist, if you are out there, really, I'll be OK. I have a nine-millimeter semi-automatic rueger, and my beloved Browning, that I have slain vast quantities of skeet with, back from when I was so small that shooting it kicked me flat on my back. My epee is my favorite, never needs loading. I love guns and swords. :-) I wuv you guys!

OT.

Bush Slaps Sanctions on Syria.

#72 Ilen Thoren

Why the Western media goes along with this though, that is another story.

I can't speak for the media where you live, but I most certainly can for the U.S. media.

It's honor rests in challenging authority and it goes straight back to VietNam.

Hence the constant, haunting, references to 'quagmire', blah, blah, blah.

VietNam is where American media finds its moral authority and it ain't giving it up now.

From link cited by post 71

An Israeli strike helicopter fired three missiles at the 67-year-old wheelchair-bound Sheikh Yassin after performing the dawn prayers in a mosque near his home on March 22, killing him and at least eight others.

Twenty-six days later, Rantissi was assassinated in an Israeli air strike that also killed at least two other Palestinians.

Sunday, Palestinian fighters killed five Israeli armed settlers in southern Gaza “in part of a series of retaliations for killing Sheikh Yassin and Rantissi,” according to a joint statement released by Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades and the Popular Resistance Committees’ Saladin Brigades.

I see that at some level even these islamofacists are ashamed of themselves since they have to recast the murder of Tali Hatuel and her 4 daughters as an attack on five armed settlers. They are truly disgusting.

twisterella, you demanded to know:

[Jamie Irons you are] greedy! How many comment#17's must hang from your belt before you are satiated?

I could never be satiated!

Oh, on second thought, I guess I could.

Now I hunger only after Comments #23!

;-)

Jamie Irons

OT

Winds turning in Canuckistan

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said Monday he believes Saddam had WMD and they've fallen into terrorists' hands, making the threat of terrorism greater now than in the wake of 9-11, Canada's Sun Media reported.

"The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Hussein had, we don't know where they are," Martin told a crowd of about 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal. "That means terrorists have access to all of that."

Martin, with the backing of President Bush, is lobbying the international community to form an informational organization to address world issues such as terrorism.

"I believe that terrorism will be, for our generation, what the Cold War was to generations that preceded us," he said. "I don't think we're out of it yet."

Martin's comments on the root of terrorism contrasted with the views of his predecessor, Jean Chretien, who blamed it on poverty.

"The cause of terrorism is not poverty," Martin said, "it is hatred."

Someone gets it.

#79 grayp == It's true. The liberal media exploded with vietnam, they changed the course of the war and public opinion. They are stuck in the 60's, unable to give up the propaganda power, even though they stab America in the back doing it. Maybe because they
can stab America in the back. Liberal white elitist guilt? Or just a yearning for a socialist utopia?

cnn is running a segment on intifada cards for children WTF but otoh americans just got more disgusted at jordyption brainwashing

#77 twisterella

Iron Fist, if you are out there, really, I'll be OK. I have a nine-millimeter semi-automatic rueger, and my beloved Browning, that I have slain vast quantities of skeet with, back from when I was so small that shooting it kicked me flat on my back. My epee is my favorite, never needs loading. I love guns and swords. :-) I wuv you guys!

And what did those poor, harmless skeet ever do to you? My personal holdings include a .40 cal Ruger, 12ga Mossberg, an impessive knife collection, with my favorite field knife, my 18" Gurkha blade.

Fear the Gurkha, never needs loading and scares the hell out of people.

#80 Ilen Toren

I see that at some level even these islamofacists are ashamed of themselves since they have to recast the murder of Tali Hatuel and her 4 daughters as an attack on five armed settlers.

You wish. They cast Tali and her daughters as armed only to bestow upon themselves the mantle of the courageous against those who are armed.

They have no shame.

#75
Would dime size groupings at 200 yds with a 308 be acceptible?

I am a gunnut!

#83 andreaSF

Liberal white elitist guilt? Or just a yearning for a socialist utopia?

neither. power.

#82 ordong johnson

holy. shit.

gotta link?

bed time.

please don't forget the favor I asked to participate over at kaspar's blog.

Europe needs some butt kicking, too

LOL, Kragar, we are sympatico!

Ummm, Charles, I was foolish when I told you about A.L. You already knew! And I just put the puzzle pieces together, and I think I know why you had foreknowledge-- Am I correct?

Kragar, you wrote:

And what did those poor, harmless skeet ever do to you? My personal holdings include a .40 cal Ruger, 12ga Mossberg, an impessive knife collection, with my favorite field knife, my 18" Gurkha blade.

Fear the Gurkha, never needs loading and scares the hell out of people.

Yeah, yeah...but try to bring home skeet with a Gurkha!

You'll go hungry!

;-)

Jamie Irons

(#72) Ilan Toren writes:

Finally, here in Israel, we are beginning to reexamine this issue. The way the palestinians acted towards the body parts of our soldiers has shocked us.

It has?

Even after this?

I would have been shocked if they had treated the bodies with respect.

Kragar, my epee will destroy your Gurkha! I'll pack the blood groove with something nasty, and you'll never reach me with your knife! One touche and you're finished!

Air America host Randi Rhodes advocates shooting Bush.
Anybody want to forward this to the FBI?

#39,

You need to differentiate. It's just the mass media that needs to be ignored. Simply stop consuming it. Buy no papers (but locally, maybe), watch no network news. I'm getting my info via the internet. On really rare occasions I turn to the Israeli Broadcast Association news. My wife uses it for the weather forecast. That is all.
I know, it's not much, but think of it as voting. One's influence is small, but important. Also, it makes the house much more clutter-free.

#92 Twisterella

You'ld only get to use the epee if you saw me coming, which you wouldn't. Epees are fine if you got room to use it, but once your opponent get in close, its all over.

Actually, the one of the best easy produced weapons versus a long blade is the manriki, about 4' of chain with a weight on both ends. Used properly, it can entangle a blade long enough that the user can move if and finish off the would-be swordsman.

Yehudit:

You can submit a tip from this page:

[Link: www.fbi.gov...]

Follow the first link. I've done it a couple times.

The best C & F cartoon yet - and that is high praise indeed.

(If only the cartoon weren't so true.)

#79 grayp

"VietNam is where American media finds its moral authority and it ain't giving it up now."

But will they ever find their courage again? Is there a chance there will be some Ernie Pyle's out there?

There should be a 3 week delay on all news in Iraq. All non US news people should be told to get the fuck out NOW. That way we don't have Al Jiz people getting killed in firefights while filming the enemy shoot at our troops.

Embedded reporters are great. Real time release of footage isn't. Censorship in war is essential.

Kragar, I had better be careful to see you coming! :-)
Seriously, I think a sword is a good weapon for grrrls, because it extends our reach considerably.

Sorry guys,

I just want to know one thing? Why in the name of all that is holy, are Cox and Forkum not nationally syndicated, but Ted Rall is? I know I'm not the first person to ask this question but what the hell is going on?

I want to pick up my morning paper and read C and F. WTF???

My feeling is that this is conclusive proof that the media is terrified of telling the truth if it can't handle a strong non-PC cartoon.

(#95) Kragar

After what you just said to twisterella, there will be no skeet for you tonight.

;-)

Jamie Irons

U.S. Troops Storm Mosque Held by Al-Sadr Militia, NYT Reports

May 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. troops stormed a mosque in Karbala, Iraq, that was held by followers of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, the New York Times reported on its Web site, citing an American military official.

Good news and good start. Take no prisoners. After all, they'ld rather be dead than "humiliated".

#102 Kragar

Too bad the lousy SOB wasn't there when the Marines came in.

GO USMC-- Semper Fi!

If, as the Islamists are claiming, they beheaded Berg because of Abu Ghraib, then the media which has persistently and continually referred to Abu Ghraib for political reasons, in order to exploit the situation, bears responsibility for having inflamed and encouraged these islamists.

If anyone wants to hear the disgusting postition of the NY times on Abu Ghraib "spin" click here

#72 Ilan Toren,

I was not surprised. The evidence for such jihadi acts in the past is just too overwhelming. As I said in a prior thread, the problem is that mass media is the ally of the terrorists. The images exist, but not AP, not al-Reuters, not AFP nor their ilk will air them. Yes, the grisly truth must be shown.

BTW, I think that Hatuel family slaughter was a much worse incident than this. After that, no atrocity should be surprising.

You know, my wife was a stauch supporter of the Israeli left. But come the Hatuel slaughter, she asked me what kind of animals are these people. I could only tell her they're the kind of animals we must deal with, and made sure she understood we will not deal with them diplomatically. After what happened with the soldiers' bodies, I don't want to mention what she said we should do with the Gaza strip.

She has a hard time trying to get in tough with the real situation we're in, but then, she's a really nice person, and believes in the niceness and humanity of all others. I make no such claim.

#100 Globular Cluster -- The media hates America and all it stands for. Why? Because a united America gets the job done and moves on to living their lives, raising their kids, and taking vacations. That's not news. Their best interest is to keep the angst fomenting as long as possible... The media wants this war to go bad and drag out. G-d forbid we defeat Islamofascism and move on to cleaning up our own neighborhoods and enforce our standards here at home.. Then all they have to report on is the winner of the spelling bee and who grew the roses that won the competition.. Advertisers will go elsewhere.

#99 Twisterella

Have you considered staff or stick fighting training then? a 5' oak dowel rod is 1) easy to procure, 2) legal, 3) not considered a weapon by most at first glance.

Its not a weapon that relies on size or strength, but greatly improves reach, can break bones, keep an opponent at bay and also be used to apply a number of debilitating holds and locks with can incapictate a foe.

#105,

Why waste the time? And who needs the agravation? Don't give them the hits, don't give them the ratings, and don't give them money for their rag. Simply assume their message will almost alwyas be in favor of the jihadi terrorist and be done with it.

#66   Abu Maven

OT: Over 62,000 visitors today! Another theories [on] why so many today?

My theory: This past weekend was an amazing weekend at LGF. Today's events have sort of wiped away all other recent news (so it's hard to even remember last Sunday), but Charles was all over breaking news stories all weekend, and the posters were in their top form ever. Practically every thread was full of great insights, brilliant commentary, investigative-journalism-style links that put the mainstream media to shame, and much more. I felt that everyone on Earth should have read LGF last weekend. It was as if suddenly LGF had moved up several notches from its already exalted position. My theory as to why there are so many visitors today is that word has started to get around: Little Green Footballs has become one serious-ass site, that is simply a must-read every day, whatever your political beliefs.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but the high quality of LGF has really struck me recently, and I can't think of any other reasons for the rise of viewership.

Meanwhile, Randi Rhodes on Air America has openly called for Bush to be shot-- by a member of his own family.

Posted on American Digest:

Air Hate America Hostess Says Shooting Bush "Works for Her"

IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, I wrote:

"Bush Hate, at the rate of festering intensity currently observable, is headed towards only one singular event: An attempt on the life of George W. Bush by an American citizen."
-- American Digest: Where Bush Hate is Heading

The group of losing traitors that make up the staff of "Air America" took that concept one step further today when, as pointed out by Donald Sensing at One Hand Clapping an "Air America hostess says President Bush should be shot."

Yesterday on her Air America radio show, Randi Rhodes said that's exactly what should be done to President Bush. Rhodes commented that Bush was like Fredo Corleone and that either Poppy or Jeb should take W. out for a fishing trip and blow him away.

After imitating the sound of gun going off Rhodes said, "Works for me." Nice.

Would you like to hear Rhodes say this? The clip is available via Cynical Nation at: Cynical Nation

OKAY, TELL ME AGAIN what the definition of treason is. I'm a little unclear on the concept.

Link: [Link: www.americandigest.org...]

andreaSF

Jessica Lynch was sodomized and raped, and our other POW's were brutally tortured. If it were my fellow soldiers who endured these things at the hands of the Iraqis I might be deranged enough to at least break their spirit in the manner that would be most

I'm not comparing Jessica Lynch to the atrocities at Abu Ghraib. What she had to endure was horrible. If you were deranged enough, as you say, to do whatever then you would pay the price , because we are not Iraqi or Arab or Muslim. We are Americans. (assuming you are). If these same Iraqis were killed on the battlefield in combat, I don't think you would hear a peep out of the media. Its the sick perversion and twisted imaginations of these Abu Ghraib army personnel that really throws our efforts in Iraq back ten fold. There is no way to rationalize what happened there.

twisterella, if reach is what you want, then Barrett "Light Fifty" M82A1 M82A2 M82A3 is the weapon for you. Lethal at any distance, and accurate to over a mile, against a static target. Good against a man sized target at about half, and no body armor in the world can deflect a .50 round.

Previous post: #91

Well I had the lynching in the back of my mind when I wrote that. That is, of course, the problem. The shock wears off. You can come up with dozens of things that should have shocked the West into supporting a no-holds bar fight against the islamofacists (best term ever for them, IMHO). Still this site is something of on the border of unique. The public discourse is much more forgiving towards the arab world in general and the palestinians in particular. I think that we have our work cut out for us in changing that, first by getting the current US administration to stick to its principles. I hate to see this but if Bush can't make his principles clear and consistent then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. I'll go further and say that if a sitting president can't make his principles understandable then he is a failiure. That isn't to say that Kerry is better. I think that he doesn't have a clear policy on much of anything, from the economy, social policy to foreign policy.

Change can come slow, but the media is changeable. The US now has FOX and that has forced CNN to reevaluate the way it covers things. We need to keep up the pressure and not be embarrassed into silence.

#107 cont. The media is a fear driven industry. Fear compels us to know what's going on, to prepare and protect ourselves. Just watch Nightline sometime, there is always a new disease, or choking hazard, or some such *danger* that we must know about on a slow news day.

#107 andreaSF

Totally. The job of the media is not to report at all. The job of the media is to create a scandal to keep it simmering until something better comes along. Alternatively, the job is to distract our attention from unpleasant truths that harm their position.

What really irks me about the way the media is reporting the Berg murder is that now they've decided to report... guess what? The terrible psyche of Islamic murderers? Nooo. They're reporting the pain of the Berg family.

That's safe. It corresponds to their left wing/corporate sanitized agenda. And best of all, it's true!

#107 cont. The media is a fear driven industry. Fear compels us to know what's going on, to prepare and protect ourselves. Just watch Nightline sometime, there is always a new disease, or choking hazard, or some such *danger* that we must know about on a slow news day.

Andrea, did you ever notice that the non-stop shark attacks stopped when 9/11 occured? Hmmm.

#88 grayp

I got the story via email, but there is a link to Ottawa Sun's article which has snipped out version:

Threat on Rice: PM

It is not out of Martin's character at all, maybe you remember his comments about UN and it's corruption and irrelevancy in our times and a need to replace it by something else.

By the way, today's visitors total is up to 65,000. That's waaay over the normal 45,000. Charles -- is this the all-time record? (If not, what is?) To what do you attribute it?

Kragar, I've always wanted to try kendo, but don't have all the belts. The 'sword saints', fascinate me.

Zombie: Where have you been, after *standing me up*! I suppose you think you won that argument, because you had the last word!
Seriously, LGF is the absolute best-- the strange thing is, I can hardly bear the clumsy look-n-feel of other sites anymore. I'm staying awake to see the final total! :-)

#112 Jack Frost - I agree that the actions were disgusting and unconscionable, in the context of everyday life. I'm saying that in wartime, all bets are off, because our enemy doesn't play by the rules. Yes, we should hold ourselves to higher standards, but we're not fighting the British for independence, and my only fault with this Abu Gharaib debacle is that they were so stupid as to document the goings on. They should be punished more for bringing down the war effort with their stupid picture taking than for extracting information that undoubtedly saved American lives. Their photographs are now being used as a pathetic excuse for Al Qaida to behead Jews.. The solution would be no reporters, no cameras.

the strange thing is, I can hardly bear the clumsy look-n-feel of other sites anymore.

Once you comment on LGF it becomes a total drag to post on blogspot,et al...

#118

It appears to me that the article you cite is reporting what seems to me to be a clever dig against the Iraq war, by saying that it increased terrorism and allowed terrorists to get access to WMD. Of course, that begs the question: What WMD?

#117 Globular Cluster - Yeah, the sharks really were spooked by the explosions, just swam right out to deep water! I bet Gary Condit, in his black heart of hearts, is secretly happy about 9/11 too.

#112 Jack Frost

If these same Iraqis were killed on the battlefield in combat, I don't think you would hear a peep out of the media. Its the sick perversion and twisted imaginations of these Abu Ghraib army personnel that really throws our efforts in Iraq back ten fold. There is no way to rationalize what happened there.

Actually, if these same Iraqis were killed in combat the media would call them all civilians.
I agree that it was sick and perverted what these 6 whole people did to a handful of Iraqi scumbags, what with humiliating them and all, and I do believe they should be punished, but the media and Daschel and Kennedy and Kerry and Boxer and Polosi and H R Clinton, among many more, are the ones responsible for screwing things up in Iraq. And then there's the 911 Commission and the Photogate Commission.
I say we give Rummy an overdose of gamma radiation, piss him off really bad (maybe by showing him naked pics of Hillary) and let him loose on the Middle East.

#121 cont. My point is that one saved American life is totally worth the degredation of a few Iraqi scum in this situation.

Rice = Rise
damn, preview is my friend!

#113 FH

Someone once mentioned this which would have better accuracy and less recoil (for a lady)

#113 FH: Sounds divine, but what about close in? You know, wet work?

#123 FH

Article, maybe ... but that is not what Martin intended to imply, I believe.

#121 andreaSF

Exellent post. As much as I hate to admit it, I'm more pissed off at the bastard who took the photos or the dumbasses who *let* themselves be photographed than I am at the actual abuses.

The scandal now endangers our troops, risks a genocidal civil war if we pull out, and harms morale.

Terrible. The Lefties get their wish -- more genocide that we can blame on the US!

Repugnant reaction of the French press:
Not a word of disgust about the gruesome ordeal of Nick Berg. In fact, the crime is mentioned IN THE BODY of articles about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The beheading of a poor fellow is not worth an article of its own. Of course, the articles are quite factual, without a hint of outrage from this barbaric deed.
Concerning the Israeli soldiers body part, not much either. The best article is from 'Le Monde'; as could be expected from this piece of antisemitic rag. First sentence:

Des groupes armés palestiniens ont tué mardi 11 mai six soldats israéliens et paradé dans les rues de Gaza en exhibant ce qu'ils affirment être des "restes" de leurs corps, alors que sept Palestiniens, dont un enfant, ont péri dans cette ville après un raid de l'armée israélienne.

whic translates into:
Armed palestinian groups killed 6 Israeli soldiers and paraded with 'remnants' of their bodies whilst 7 palis including a child perished after an army raid.

Yuck!!

Daybrother, I'm no lady! I'm a grrrl! :-)

Zombie, *taps foot impatiently* You forgot what we were arguing about, didn't you? Well I didn't! Islam is not a single meme! It is a bundle of millions of memes! So there! ;-)

I'm too sleepy to argue, anyway.
Charles, you were heroic today. Gratitude.

#105 Globular Cluster 5/11/2004

Well the NYTimes is partisan so their spin (or counter spin) is part of the game. I think that the American public is more aligned with the center and recognizes that the liberal media has no greater goal then defeating Bush. Even at the cost of US lives and prestige.

Ultimately this will backfire on the left. Americans are at core patriotic. I can see it now:

Kerry agitated against the US during the Vietnam war, campaigned against the US war in Iraq. Do you think he will work for the US when he is president?

#112   Jack Frost

Its the sick perversion and twisted imaginations of these Abu Ghraib army personnel that really throws our efforts in Iraq back ten fold. There is no way to rationalize what happened there.

Whhaaat? Haven't you been paying attention? The Abu Ghraib pictures were staged, photographed and released by the US government on purpose. That's common knowledge by now. There was no perversion or twisted imaginations. It was all part of a well-planned strategy to bring a mountain of shame down on the Arabs. Personally, I think it was brilliant. All across Iraq -- in fact, all across the Arab world -- jihadis are now thinking, "Holy dung! If the Americans capture me, they'll put panties on my head! And broadcast the pictures!" This is their greatest fear. They think they're terrorizing us by filming decapitations and such. Didn't work. Instead of growing fearful, we only grew more angry. The Abu Ghraib pictures did work. The Arabs are trying to put on a good face of acting angry, but in secret the Arab men are all humiliated and fearful that it could happen to them. It's bad enough that an American woman would have you on a leash; but everyone seeing it is worse than death. I actually believe the Iraqis who say they would prefer to be tortured to death by Saddam than be humiliated by an American woman.

Saddam got 99.99% of the vote in the last Iraqi election. And it wasn't even rigged! They all voted for him because they feared him. The US government used this primitive way of thinking to our advantage: most Iraqis "like" the US now because they fear it. Now all we have to do is weather the liberal media storm in the West. It will blow over. I personally think the Abu Ghraib photos are a major strategic brilliancy in the war effort, and have helped us on the road to victory immensely.

AndreaSF

My point is that one saved American life is totally worth the degredation of a few Iraqi scum in this situation.

It's that kind of stupidity that gets people like Daniel Pearl or Rick Berg into the troble when caught by enemies.

#131 G.C. Thanks brother. #112 Jack Frost - Another point, probably in bad taste, here in San Francisco, you have to pay high dollar for that kind of humiliation.. Those very scenes depicted from Iraq would cost you a pretty penny in some of the downtown clubs.

It's that kind of stupidity that gets people like Daniel Pearl or Rick Berg into the troble when caught by enemies.

If your stupid enough to believe the terrorists' words then yeah, you're right.

#104

If the abuses at Abu Ghraib are blamed for this crime, which I am absolutely not in favor of them being, then it is the perpetrators of the abuses who are responsible, not the media.

In other words, I disagree with both your premises.

#133 Twisterella

Of course, how thoughtless of me; I knew that. Close/wet work weapon

#136 Lance - Who have we beheaded? Who have we pushed out into the sea into a wheelchair. Who's buildings have we collapsed? Who blow up da owl? These vermin brought the war to us. Nothing we did caused Daniel Pearl's death. He was beheaded because of Muslims irrational hatred of Jews.. Rick Berg was beheaded because he was a Jew. I'm sick of the "whaaat have done to deeeserrrve this" crap. Islamists set out to destroy the west 40 years ago. I suppose the contractors in Falluga were killed because Al Qaida got the abuse pictures before the US press did? Good G-d please..
Q

Ahhh "the media" . . .

...another cast of characters awaiting history's derision. The solution is simple...pay them little attention, ignore their advertisers...shun them...

You can find out what is going on in this world today without using a television, or a newspaper...Enjoy the new media while the old media drowns in their own vomit. (of course here I'm mostly preaching to the choir)

In the mean-time while you're enjoying your respite from the Peter Jenning's of the world, do as I like to, and convert as many away from that evil known as "national network news."

The truth is easy (and natural) to use while you are arguing with the uninformed (and dumbasses) of this world...lgf makes that job a lot easier.

"People are trying to kill us. It's better if we get them before they get us. wtf is so hard to understand about that?!""

Lance, your link was disgusting, too.

#133   twisterella

Zombie, *taps foot impatiently* You forgot what we were arguing about, didn't you? Well I didn't! Islam is not a single meme! It is a bundle of millions of memes! So there! ;-)

Sorry, sorry -- I'm slow! Once I get commenting on a thread, I'm always about three hot topics behind everyone else.

No I didn't forget our "argument" (read: stimulating intellectual theorizing). But two little things called "sleep" and "work" prevented me from continuing.

Actually, I think you're wrong: a million memes is too many. I might agree that Islam was a bundle of, say...8 or 10 basic memes. 15 at the most. Not a million.

But however many, that didn't address my points that, a. It had reached an evolutionary dead end; and b. that thusly the only way to rid ourselves of it is to get rid of the "carriers." I know it's philosophically forbidden to mix the metaphor of memes with the reality of bodies, but I think the two must be seen as an interdependent system.

Daybrother: But who am I defending myself against with spoons? Micheal Moore? :-)

zombie: lol. you are too funny! I bet amritas is reading you right now!

#145 twisterella

facinated by the spoon, he comes closer and then *pow* he becomes even Moore of a eunuch

zombie: There are stranger things under heaven than are dreamt of in your phlosophy! You need to read my "Theoretical Population Genetics for Dhimmies"! But it is l'heure de dormir for me-- a demain!
:-)

OT:

Some very good news from a soldier in Iraq involved in the fighting against Muktoada alSadr's thugs.

Why we will previal in the end:

Marine Capt. Brian R. Chontosh

While leading his platoon north on Highway 1 toward Ad Diwaniyah, Chontosh's platoon moved into a coordinated ambush of mortars, rocket propelled grenades and automatic weapons fire. With coalitions tanks blocking the road ahead, he realized his platoon was caught in a kill zone.

He had his driver move the vehicle through a breach along his flank, where he was immediately taken under fire from an entrenched machine gun. Without hesitation, Chontosh ordered the driver to advanced directly at the enemy position enabling his .50 caliber machine gunner to silence the enemy.

He then directed his driver into the enemy trench, where he exited his vehicle and began to clear the trench with an M16A2 service rifle and 9 millimeter pistol. His ammunition depleted, Chontosh, with complete disregard for his safety, twice picked up discarded enemy rifles and continued his ferocious attack.

When a Marine following him found an enemy rocket propelled grenade launcher, Chontosh used it to destroy yet another group of enemy soldiers.

When his audacious attack ended, he had cleared over 200 meters of the enemy trench, killing more than 20 enemy soldiers and wounding several others.

***

"I was just doing my job, I did the same thing every other Marine would have done, it was just a passion and love for my Marines, the experience put a lot into perspective," said Chontosh.

BREAKING NEWS:

ISRAELI MISSILE STRIKE IN GAZA

More to come.

Israel Fires Missile in Gaza

The missile hit a building and smoke was rising out of the structure. Palestinian medics said a number of people were wounded and ambulances rushed to the scene.

From the JPost:

"The IDF's top officers, including Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon and Givati commander Col. Eyal Eizenberg are in the area to supervise and assist the operation. "

Note that Lt. Generals and Col. partake in the action. "In the area" means that they are in Gaza. The IDF is the only army in the world where Generals go to the action and lead their troops.

It was true of Patton for the US army during WWII.

So I ask? Where is that faggot Abiazad (sp?), the US commanding general of troops in Iraq? Why isn't he leading the attack? Why is he in a fcking conference room answering questions from AL JA Fcking Zeera?

We will win when we have real leaders with balls like Patton and Sharon.

Abiziad??? Did he get the job because he is a muslim?

We need real leaders. CHARGE.

Where is Patton? Where is Stonewall Jackson? Where is Washington? Where is Sherman?

It seems to me that Geraldo Rivera has more balls than our "general"!

Fck!!!

Where are the LEADERS? WHERE!

Have you seen Abiazad 's(sp?), our "commander" in Iraq, holster and gun...he carries this gay leather holster with a fcking revolver.

If I was a general I would have two .45 glocks, one on each hip, holstered. And I would lead the Charge on top of an Abrams!

Anybody think it's time to picket the local media?

Like Charles, I live near LA -- anyone think we should start picketing the Times?

Just a thought...

#156

I asked you a fcking question first!

I know its OT..but not really.

#156

Lost cause./

Might as well go picket Arafart.

Debka confirms that Nick Berg was Jewish. This is Daniel Pearl all over again.

i am ANGRY AS HELL

The BBC says

Mr Berg said the fact that his son was Jewish may have exacerbated his predicament.

"If there was any doubt that they were going to kill him that probably clinched it, I'm guessing," he said.

That's it. That's how they report he was Jewish. The Spanish press here haven't mentioned it all, that way they can continue with their line about Israeli aggression, "Jewish tanks" and poor oppressed Palestinians.

Tell the BBC what you think.

I'm not convinced that Nick Berg's killers were aware of the fact that he was Jewish (or at least has a Jewish surname; not to mention his siblings' first names are common Jewish names). In fact, I have not heard any conclusive evidence that he was Jewish, although I believe he most likely was.

If his killers knew he was Jewish they would have had a field day with it, like they did with Daniel Pearl. Since I have not read any comments about his probable Jewishness from the cowardly terrorists, I am inclined to believe they killed simply because he was an American.

I watched the video. His screams will be in my mind for a long time. His brother was quoted as saying the decapitation was a quick death, but perhaps he thought his brother was murdered with a single, swift blow from a sword. I don't think he was aware that they slaughtered his brother like a sheep and that his brother was clearly aware of what was happening to him for what seemed to me to be an eternity.

I feel so conflicted right now between my democratic, Western moral values and my desire to witness severe vengence.

I think we
would get more traction from this story if we concentrated on our own local media.
Writing an angry letter to the editor noting how the beheading of a ""JEW"" isn't newsworthy
as opposed to Iraqi fancy boys getting promenaded doggie style by an american woman.
Also a call Channel 3 (or insert your local station here) for action by your Rabbi, always stirs the pot.

Hey dumbasses (that includes most of you). Both stories are being covered by the media. Do I really need to show you the stories on CNN, the NYT, um, everywhere, on the beheading? Or will you just continue to believe what you feel comfortable believing, wholy unsupported by facts? That's what I thought.

As you were, idiots.

Thank you Paco, now I guess I know. I wish I would have held off writing my previous post. But on second thought, the fact that influential segments of the media remained mum about this important element of the story speaks volumes.

Damnit, these Islamofacists keep slaughtering Jews like we're lambs! Fuck them! It's time to roar like lions

Go Israel!

Go USA!

Death to the Islamofascists!

Abizaid's job is to man CENTCOM, and having an Arabic speaker in the Middle East is a good move.

Kimmit is the man who could/should lead in person an attack.

How did Nick Berg get into iraq? I very seriously doubt that State issued a visa as he had no job or contracts and he traveled there via Jordanian air?

Something smells. This stories has more holes than a sieve.

Remember Daniel Pearl

WTF?!

The BBC Talking Point now has a whole bunch of entries from From BBCArabic.com and none from LGFers?

...an enemy that behaves like animals in the name of God .

-U S Senator .

Does a picture speak a thousand words or what!

But then this:
International press more interested in beheading of American hostage than in mutilation of IDF bodies.

An examination of international newspapers reveals that the beheading of American national Nick Berg in Iraq occupies the western press more than the mutilation of the Israeli soldiers. It can be assumed, however, that the decision made by leading Israeli news networks and the country's Foreign Ministry to avoid airing the horrific pictures from Gaza led to lack of interest internationally.

Still, all in all I am happy there were no pictures.

Hey assnuts, check out the picture on the left leaning Salon today.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

Nick Berg - another Daniel Pearl?
This AP report raises the possibility that Nick Berg was brutally decapitated because of his being Jewish:

Berg's father said his son was Jewish and had a fringed religious cloth with him, but he did not think Berg wore the clothing in public. Still, "there's a better chance than not that they knew he was Jewish," Michael Berg said. "If there was any doubt that they were going to kill him that probably clinched it, I'm guessing."
Jewish Telegraph Agency has more on this.

[Link: www.news-leader.com...]

[Link: www.jta.org...]

The Guardian coverage refers to Daniel Pearl but fails to mention that both he and Berg were Jews.

the islamo-animals warn in their depraved "slaughter-video" that the worst is yet to come !

Indeed !

palestinian islamo-animals tore apart the bodies of killed IDF ,and are "playing with the remains " .

Yes , the worst is yet to come - for all .

I think its time to start burying the bodies killed islamo-animals with the carcasses of pigs ...its only appropriate...but a bit unfair to the pigs .

Canada ADMITS the US was right about Saddam Hussein having Weapons of Mass Destruction

Ok kids, hang onto your hat cuz no one was more shocked then I to read this yesterday...

WMD threat: PM SADDAM'S MISSING WEAPONS IN TERRORISTS' HANDS: MARTIN

WMD threat: PM

SADDAM'S MISSING WEAPONS IN TERRORISTS' HANDS: MARTIN

By STEPHANIE RUBEC, OTTAWA BUREAU

PRIME MINISTER Paul Martin says he believes Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and they've fallen into terrorists' hands. Martin said the threat of terrorism is even greater now than it was following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, because terrorists have acquired nuclear, chemical and biological weapons from the toppled Iraqi leader.

"The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Hussein had, we don't know where they are," Martin told a crowd of about 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal. "That means terrorists have access to all of that."

'NOT OUT OF IT YET'

The PM's comments run counter to opinions expressed by leaders in such countries as France and Germany who have accused the U.S. and Britain of fudging evidence of WMDs to justify the war against Iraq.

When asked to assess the threat level since Saddam was captured by U.S. troops, Martin said he believes it has increased.

"I believe that terrorism will be, for our generation, what the Cold War was to generations that preceded us," he said. "I don't think we're out of it yet."

Martin disagreed with former prime minister Jean Chretien, who publicly blamed poverty for terrorism and the Sept. 11 attacks. "The cause of terrorism is not poverty, it is hatred."

He said he'll lead the charge to convince countries to join forces to combat terrorism and make sure the Third World has the tools to stamp it out.

Martin said he's lobbying the international community to set up an informal organization to tackle world issues such as terrorism.

GETS NOD FROM BUSH

He said he got the nod from U.S. President George Bush during his visit last month to Washington, D.C., and will take his idea to the European Union and Latin America next.

Of course, it could be a ploy to garner conservative votes in the upcoming election or a deal struck to have the borders opened up to Canadian Meat...but thought some might want to see something they will proabably never see again, a Canadian PM admitting that perhaps, the Americans got it right about WMDs after all.

#163 Tristram

Hey dumbasses (that includes most of you). Both stories are being covered by the media. Do I really need to show you the stories on CNN, the NYT, um, everywhere, on the beheading? Or will you just continue to believe what you feel comfortable believing, wholy unsupported by facts? That's what I thought.

Sure - feel free to educate us. Show us all of the mainstream press areas where the brutal murder of Nick Berg has the at least the same level of coverage and outrage as the coverage of the Abu Ghaiba abuse claims.

Let's see them? Let's have a count of the number of articles in just the last 24 hours printed / added to the web on the two subjects? By all means, also include the press stories and articles over the desecration and mutilation of the 6 IDF soldiers yesterday.

Where are your facts that counter the statements made here? If they are so common, it should have been easy for you to present them to bolster your claim. Why didn't you post them - or is that the best you can do?

Israeli Missile Strike Kills 3 in Gaza

"We understand it hit civilians, but they (the militants) are carrying explosives in civilian areas and if we hadn't hit them we would have seen another event like the one yesterday," an army spokeswoman said.

If the [bigoted word]s get so angry about "innocents" being injured, why do they keep trying to use them as human shields? At least the Israelis get it.

I just surfed Merde in France. The French can't draw or think. Cox and Forkum deserve a Pulitzer and a Nobel. That might help clean up the awards' reputations.

What will it take for the West to defeat Islam?

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

I am the only one who is, every now and then, thinking Bigel might have had the right answer all along?

...as Islamo-animals run amuck around the globe , its time to get serious and play hardball .

- in Africa [Nigeria} motorists are stopped and "asked " to recite islamic prayers ...a reply in the negative will warrant their murder .

- BURY'EM with dead pigs . The Brits had it right decades ago .[at least in that respect].

Pigs with bombs. PETA would attack "military targets" in the US. Indymedia and PETA launched a surprise attaack on a HS ROTC today...

MSNBC Headline:

"Senators to view [in private] additional Iraqi abuse photos: Pentagon warns unreleased images could deepen international fury"

The blood has flowed and now the Senate has sobered up. Nick Berg has taken away the sins of America.

The cartoon makes no sense whatsoever, since the media spent the balance of the day covering the revolting atrocity committed against Berg.

The media was right to cover it, of course. So for these cartoonists to suggest the media is ignoring such atrocities in order to focus on Abu Ghraib--well, they need a reality check.

If anything, it Cox & Forkum's bias which is on display.

#184 Luigi

Rule of law. Must. Do. It.

Mainstream Moron Media (I propose "MMM" Seconded?) ---> bad.

Is the Pentagon making a joke about Muslims "seething"?

"Deepening international fury?"

Peachy. They are already foaming-at-the-mouth rabid boat assault rabbits already.

Just a thought:

If the media referred to the "Prisoner" Abuse scandal as a "Terrorist Baby Murderer" Abuse scandal in the headlines, would there be as much as an uproar?

If the "abuse" involved Osama, Muhammed Atta or the like, would people really give that much of a shit? I wouldnt. Ill admit that right now.

Because thats EXACTLY who these "Prisoners" were. I mean, if were interested in accuracy in reporting and all...

#184 Your a moron. This story will last one week, TOPS. Prisoner abuse story will last MONTHS. Plus they didnt show the actual beheading. NY Times doesnt even have a headline about it, or any pictures on the front page. Who's biased again?

Nonsense, Robert S., nonsense. Today's NY Times has 4 columns across page one on Marines "storming a building near a mosque" that was used as a military base, and 1 column pushed on the right for the killing featuring the "prison abuse by G.I.'s" angle. The Times is still at wat with us. The Times editor is calling himself lucky he had something with which to snuff the Berg story.

#184 Robert S

The cartoon makes no sense whatsoever, since the media spent the balance of the day covering the revolting atrocity committed against Berg.

The media was right to cover it, of course. So for these cartoonists to suggest the media is ignoring such atrocities in order to focus on Abu Ghraib--well, they need a reality check.

If anything, it Cox & Forkum's bias which is on display.

Go back and check where I predicted the prison abuse scandal was tantamount to the MMM's biggest story since the Earth cooled.

Then, when you absorb the concept of matters of degree, come back and make a rational argument.

186 One Angry TMF

Just curious, what does the T stand for

?Nation of Islam. Tidings of dawn and winds of victory have begun for God has honoured us with roaring victory in Falluja. ??Nation of Islam. Is there any excuse left to sit idly by? And how can free Muslims sleep soundly as they see Islam being slaughtered, honour bleeding, photographs of shame and reports of satanic degradation of the people of Islam, men and women, in Abu Ghraib pris on? ??Where is the care, fervor and rage for the faith of God, where is the concern for the sanctities of Muslims and where is the revenge for the honour of Muslims in the crusader prisons?

??As for you Islamic scholars, you will answer to God. Do you not see...the Muslim youth who humiliated the greatest power in history, cut off its nose and shattered its arrogance. ??Do you not see that it is time for you to learn from them the meanings of responsibility and sacrifice. Until when shall you remain like women, excelling only in...wailing and crying? ??One person pleads with the free of the world, another with (U.N. Secretary-General) Kofi Annan, a third asks for help from (Arab League Secretary-General) Amr Moussa and a fourth calls for peaceful demonstrations as if they never heard God?s order for the Prophet (Mohammad) to rally the faithful to fight. ??Have you not had your fill of the war of conferences and battle of words. Is it not time for you to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the prophet of prophets. We ask you not to condemn what we will do just to please the Americans.

??The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered (his army) to strike the necks of some prisoners in Badr (battle) and to kill them...And he set a good example for us. ??As for you Bush, dog of the Christians, anticipate what will harm you and difficult days. You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped foot in Iraq and dared to violate Muslims. ??A message to the traitorous agent (Pakistani President) Pervez Musharraf: We tell him that we wait eagerly to receive your soldiers and, by God, we will demand them before the Americans and avenge the blood of our brothers in (Afghanistan). ??As for you, mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the American administration to exchange this prisoner for some prisoners in Abu Ghraib, but they refused. ??We tell you that the honour of Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and other (prisons) are more noble than blood and lives. ??And you will only get shroud after shroud and coffin after coffin slaughtered in this manner.??

It is up to us, the people in the blogsphere to keep Nick Berg's decapitation (and the now forgotten dragging of an American body through the streets of Yanbu, SA), alive!
E-mail your friends with links to the video of the decapitation. Ask them to forward those links to their friends. Bombard major TV Networks and Newspapers with letters requesting to show the video in full. Protest any muslim institution in America. Picket in front of Muslims schools, etc, etc, etc.

The latest terrorist propaganda -- gladly parroted by the media -- is that Nicholas was murdered in 'retaliation' for the terrorist prisoners who were photographed naked.

The Italian journalist who was forced to dig his own grave, and was then shot in the head by terrorists in Iraq last month, would likely have a different take.
 

Here's a novel idea...

Instead of dropping bombs on Gaza, drop pig entrails all over the city. Lots and Lots of pig guts.

- in Africa [Nigeria} motorists are stopped and "asked " to recite islamic prayers ...a reply in the negative will warrant their murder .

Is this true?
Do you possibly have any links showing that this does in fact happen?

I am not doubting you, but I just havent ever heard this before and would like to see more on the subject, if you are able to provide any, without any effort please?

#189

That would be my first initial, which shall remain a mystery. The "MF" being my middle and last, and not the epithet that your were thinking of.

Although it would be cool if my middle and last names were "Mother Fucker".

William,

How about the murders of two Americans in Yanbu las week? As far as I remember, nobody mentioned retaliation then, So why were they murdered and one dragged (one victim) through the streets of Yanbu, SA? As a matter of fact, the International School was a target. Are the left and its friends, the islamozoids, holding children responsible for the abuses of few soldiers?

#190

The enemy, I guess? Spooks!

Bomb. C4. Kill. Murder. Carnivore, or something!

OT, check out this letter from Gen Sherman to the mayor & city council of Atlanta, linked by Belmont Club today.

Imagine if Sharon met with Arafat, or Qureia or whoever wanted to listen, and said this:

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If [Israel] submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of [Iraq, Somalia, Algeria, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Pakistan, Indonesia], which is eternal war.

You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of [the West Bank and Gaza] can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

I myself have seen in [Israel in 1948, the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, Jordan in 1971 and Lebanon in 1982] hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of [suicide bombers] to carry war into [Israel], to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through [an end to terrorism followed by a credible negotiated end to the conflict], and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success.

But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

/idle daydream

OT Not sure if this got posted, but it might have been overlooked yesterday

Plot to rob and murder wealthy Jews and other non-Muslims on the West Coast?

OT: UFOs

Did you see where the Mexican AF was buzzed by UFOs?

A videotape made widely available to the news media on Tuesday shows the bright objects, some sharp points of light and others like large headlights, moving rapidly in what appears to be a late-evening sky.

The lights were filmed on March 5 by pilots using infrared equipment. They appeared to be flying at an altitude of about 3,500 meters (11,480 feet), and allegedly surrounded the Air Force jet as it conducted routine anti-drug trafficking vigilance in Campeche. Only three of the objects showed up on the plane's radar.

"Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before," said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a taped interview made public Tuesday.

"I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real," added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator. Vazquez insisted that there was no way to alter the recorded images.

Dunno bout that last one. But I ain't too good with the newfangled technology stuff.

As I said, "The cartoon makes no sense whatsoever, since the media spent the balance of the day covering the revolting atrocity committed against Berg."

When this news broke yesterday, the news stations covered little else. Providing the example of one paper's headlines does nothing to diminish that.

In fact, it's been the lead story on CNN.com for hours and is still there at this writing. It's the lead story on the BBC News site. In fact, it the lead story on the NYT site right now.

The cartoon depicts the media overlooking a horrendous atrocity against an American to go cover prisoner mistreatment by Americans. And that's simply not what happened.

Both were covered. And all sane people will agree that the beheading was more atrocious. So what's your point?

Seems like some people on this site live in a bizarre fantasyland where nobody on the left is offended by atrocities committed against American. Actually, most of us are just angered by any atrocities. Period.

Would that more in this forum showed equal appreciation for human life and anger towards those who devalue it--whether those committing such violence be Iraqi or American, Palestinian or Jew.

#194 ShiksaGrrrl

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Young men armed with knives and clubs were stopping cars in Kano on Tuesday to search for "non-believers", forcing people to recite Muslim prayers to prove their religion, university student Amina Usman told AP news agency.

She said she had seen two bodies while another student, Mohammed Aliyu, said he had seen five bodies in a different part of town. Other reports spoke of up to 10 dead. Some bodies were charred.

#200 Beagle Matamoros

Who the heck has been joyriding in the Zionist/Lizardoid shuttlecraft? Scaly heads will roll, I promise you!

Also OT -
Coast Guard prepares for terrorist threat during Savannah summit

This site is graphic and the gutless bastards with the major newspapers and the broadcast networks who reveled in the photographs of naked folks in the Iraqi prison don't have the balls to show the photographs of the murder of a Jewish guy from Pennsylvania...

[Link: qando.net...]

#210 Robert S

Would that more in this forum showed equal appreciation for human life and anger towards those who devalue it--whether those committing such violence be Iraqi or American, Palestinian or Jew.

Ah, yes. Thanks for getting the preachy speech out of the way. As I said, all your debate points are belong to us.

Beagle, that not an argument you've made, just an ad hominem attack. If this were a debate, you'd already be losing.

By Sam Anvil
[Link: samzanvil.blogspot.com...]

Oh, the humiliation! The horror! No wonder the press cries out! Worldwide revulsion, disgust and Moslem rage! Shame on you!

Of course they’re not speaking about what Sadam did to his own people: the gassings, the rapes, the strangulations, the mass graves, etc. Or any of the atrocities countless Moslem leaders inflicted on their fellow Moslems over the years. But why not? Weren’t those things disgusting too? Is there something going on here that ordinary people like you and me don’t understand?

Well, actually there is. But it’s all very simple really, and it makes perfect sense to Moslems. It’s only we infidels who have difficulty understanding it.

You see, in the Islamic view of things, the lives of infidel kafirs like us (Christians, Jews and everybody else), are “worth” something between a Moslem woman and a camel. I’ll bet you didn’t think there was room between those two lowly categories to wedge a fingernail in, let alone the vast majority of human beings on this planet, but there is. There’s room for each and every one of us. It’s another of Allah’s miracles.

At the top of the heap are Moslem men, Masters of the Universe, the purpose of all creation, the exclusive custodians of the eternal Truth, and the people whose feet we kafirs should all be kissing. Below them are Moslem women, whose job it is to wash those feet. Below them, us, then camels and other useful creatures like sheep that don’t make too much of a fuss when a Moslem man whips out his knife.

So when a Moslem man tears out another Moslem’s fingernails and rapes his daughters and slits all their throats, well that’s just the way things are in Allah’s dysfunctional little family. And when a Moslem man shoots dead a pregnant dhimmi woman and her four daughters as they drive through a part of the world he thinks belongs to him (and of course every square inch of this planet rightfully belongs to Moslems and to nobody else), well, that’s his natural-born right as Master of the Universe. Even the kafirs of Europe don’t dare deny him that right.

But if a kafir, a dhimmi, one of those so-called people whose role in this life is to be properly submissive to and respectful of his Moslem betters, should turn around and strike back, well that’s completely unthinkable. It’s against Allah’s holy law. It’s as though a wife should, perish the thought, hit back when her husband beats her. It’s a shameful humiliation, a travesty of Allah’s creation, it can’t be allowed to stand, and it “fuels Islamic rage.”

It’s shameful and humiliating because what the dhimmi is saying when he strikes back is that maybe, just maybe, Moslem men are not the pinnacle of all creation, the reason why the whole universe exists. And when the dhimmi creates a free society in which people have real hope of better lives, while Moslem men use their oil billions to create one hellhole country after another, the dhimmi is saying: “Don’t give me this crap about how wonderful you are, and how Allah himself has chosen you to rule the world.”

And that is a message no Master of the Universe wants to hear. Not from his wives, not from his slaves (and yes, they do have slaves in this twenty-first Christian century), and certainly not from the dhimmis, the sons of pigs and monkeys. So he runs for refuge to his holy books, which tell him to – guess what? – kill the infidel! And if it’s not possible to kill the infidel right now, to do what Prophet did: lie to the infidel, make a false peace while you prepare for war, and plan for the long term. Send him your masses to overwhelm his country with the fruits of your wombs, take advantage of the kafir’s unsuspecting nature, use his democratic laws and rights to undermine his society, enlist the help of the dull-witted, remind him of his wars against you and when he mentions your wars against him, call him a racist, and in the end – maybe a hundred years from now, maybe a thousand – you will finally rule the world as Allah intended. Patience. The infidel is too stupid to understand what you are doing.

And that is how the dhimmi world came to recoil in revulsion at photos of Moslem prisoners being abused, while the Islamic world danced for joy at the photos of the charred bodies of murdered dhimmi hanging from a bridge.

Do you understand now?

#206 Robert

Only if your friends were judging.

Beagle #208

Debating faux pas alert!!:

You are making an assumption not based on objectively verifiable fact to support your premise, which is a serious transgression in the art of debating.

I.e., that Robert S has any friends.

#201 Robert S.

Would that more in this forum showed equal appreciation for human life and anger towards those who devalue it--whether those committing such violence be Iraqi or American, Palestinian or Jew.

The point of the thread was that the media has two standards. Otherwise they would have shown the worst images of the 9-11 attack, and the beheadings of Daniel Pearl and NIck Berg.
The point isn't to be "evenhanded". It's to counterbalance the enormous bias in the mass media.
It reminds me of the way NPR whines when anyone has the audacity to point out their pro-Palestinian bias.

SKI MASKS WON'T SAVE YOUR COWARDLY BUTTS

By STEVE DUNLEAVY (NY Post)

I KNOW why you wear ski masks.

I know why you tied up Nick Berg, leaving him unable to fight back.

I know why the odds were 5 to 1.

You say your unspeakable act of barbarity was retaliation for what happened in Abu Ghraib prison.

What a convenient excuse: A bunch of untrained Americans hazed and humiliated Iraqi detainees.

But if that hadn't happened, you'd have found a different justification.

Maybe because we captured your fearless leader, Saddam, cowering in a rat hole.

Or maybe you'd have just fallen back on that old standby - Israel.

I can see right through you.

You wore those ski masks for two reasons.

Number one, you're afraid you'll be identified by the coalition and forced to answer for your atrocities. And number two, you shamed your fellow countrymen and fellow Muslims - and just maybe, you're also afraid of them.

You and your wimpy, terrorist brothers around the world are getting your butts kicked. In Baghdad, you're facing Iraqi soldiers who could beat you with water pistols.

So what do you do?

You kill an American when his arms are tied.

You blow up Iraqi cops with bombs because you can't do anything face-to-face.

You mutilate four Americans and hang them from a bridge.

I can't even remember what excuse you used for that one.

But this country won't forget that stomach-churning outrage against humanity - or this one.

Then there was the assassination back in 2002 of Daniel Pearl by some of your brothers in Pakistan.

Well, he was a Jew, you said. Any reason is better than the truth: You hate freedom.

But there's one piece of good news in all of this.

You have as much brains as you do guts - you just pulled the rug out from under soft-headed liberals on Capitol Hill. This will get even them pissed off.

But if you think this ultimate act of barbarity will weaken the resolve of the coalition - and the decent people of Iraq (news - web sites) - you are wrong.

The overwhelming majority of the Muslim world wouldn't waste their spit on your graves.

I know why you wear ski masks. It is because you are cowards.

But hear this: Ski masks or not, you and your brothers in terror will fall soon enough.

#201 Robert S.

In fact, it's been the lead story on CNN.com for hours and is still there at this writing.

CNN has spent the majority of the morning on the prisoner abuse scandal, and is currently swooning over the release of Clinton's memoir.

Nick Berg has been back burnered, but quick. This is no surprise.

Or, C&F must be psychic.

No time for lenghty posts. Just saw this comment.

#201

Seems like some people on this site live in a bizarre fantasyland where nobody on the left is offended by atrocities committed against American. Actually, most of us are just angered by any atrocities. Period.

Would that more in this forum showed equal appreciation for human life and anger towards those who devalue it--whether those committing such violence be Iraqi or American, Palestinian or Jew.

Please list the atrocities germane to current events perpetrated by Americans and Jews. Also list atrocities comitted by Palestinians, Iraqis and Al Queda.

Compare and contrast.

as someone recently said:
It's going to take an enormous amount of evidence
(more, likely, than will ever come to light) to convince the American people that Rumsfeld and his neocon cabal have been operating essentially as a rogue regime, routinely violating not just international law but also the norms of what most people would consider civilized behavior - all in the name of the war against terror. To admit that would be to admit just how far into the darkness America has fallen since 9/11. If the German inhabitants of the towns and villages near Dachau and Buchenwald could ignore what was going
on right next door - for years - because their government told them it was necessary to defend the Reich, most Americans are likely to find it far easier to pretend that abuses committed far away, on Cuban or Iraqi or Afghan soil, are just the isolated mistakes of a few "bad apples."

OT: Checkmate.

Can anyone tell me what the moral difference is between beheading an innocent US civilian and beating an innocent Iraqi to death is?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

#52

Re Steyn piece... LLL's would prefer to "feel the shame" shame good, anger bad and not LLLthink.

The Edge of the Razor

...far too long to post but here is a small sample from the end of the article:

Which brings us back to the razor's edge. If the United States rapidly adjusts its Iraq operations to take realities in that country into account, rather than engaging on ongoing wishful thinking, the situation in Iraq can be saved and with it the gains made in the war on al Qaeda. On the other hand, if the United States continues its unbalanced and ineffective prosecution of the war against the guerrillas and continues to allow its relations with the Shia to deteriorate, the United States will find itself in an untenable position. If it is forced to withdraw from Iraq, or to so limit its operations there as to be effectively withdrawn, the entire dynamic that the United States has worked to create since the Sept. 11 attacks will reverse itself, and the U.S. position in the Muslim world -- which was fairly strong in January 2004 -- will deteriorate, and al Qaeda's influence will increase dramatically.

The Political Crisis

It is not clear that the Bush administration understands the crisis it is facing. The prison abuse pictures are symptomatic -- not only of persistent command failure, but also of the administration's loss of credibility with the public. Since no one really knows what the administration is doing, it is not unreasonable to fill in the blanks with the least generous assumptions. The issue is this: Iraq has not gone as planned by any stretch of the imagination. If the failures of Iraq are not rectified quickly, the entire U.S. strategic position could unravel. Speed is of the essence. There is no longer time left.

The issue is one of responsibility. Who is responsible for the failures in Iraq? The president appears to have assumed that if anyone were fired, it would be admitting that something went wrong. At this point, there is no one who doesn't know that many things have gone wrong. If the president insists on retaining all of his senior staff, Cabinet members and field commanders, no one is going to draw the conclusion that everything is under control; rather they will conclude that it is the president himself who is responsible for the failures, and they will act accordingly.

The issue facing Bush is not merely the prison pictures. It is the series of failures in the Iraq campaign that have revealed serious errors of judgment and temperament among senior Cabinet-level officials. We suspect that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is finished, and with him Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. Vice President Dick Cheney said over the weekend that everyone should get off of Rumsfeld's case. What Cheney doesn't seem to grasp is that there is a war on and that at this moment, it isn't going very well. If the secretary of defense doesn't bear the burden of failures and misjudgments, who does? Or does the vice president suggest a no-fault policy when it comes to war? Or does he think that things are going well?

This is not asked polemically. It is our job to identify emerging trends, and we have, frequently, been accused of everything from being owned by the Republicans to being Iraq campaign apologists. In fact, we are making a non-partisan point: The administration is painting itself into a corner that will cost Bush the presidency if it does not deal with the fact that there is no one who doesn't know that Iraq has been mismanaged. The administration's only option for survival is to start managing it effectively, if that can be done at this point.

#216 Filth

From your post:
The Red Cross report detailed three allegations against British troops. The most serious concerned the death of Baha Mousa, a 28-year-old hotel employee.

Allegations (= truth in a leftist context). I would wait to see what the investigation brings, but your hurry to moral equivocate is coming through loud and clear.

#215 A Reed

If the US would murder 6 million Islamists and try to hide the evidence, you would have an actual point, but at the moment what a happene is a sick hazing stunt and those directly responsible are being prosecuted. Get over it. Maybe you would like to hold others to the same standard you do the US?

routinely violating not just international law..
International Law? Ha ha ha Quick, call my lawyer!

#214 - A "neocon cabal" running the nation? Equating Gitmo to Dachau? Funny, the fat-assed jihadis coming out of U.S. custody look nothing like the children of Buchenwald.

You are a vile, disgusting person.

Or maybe you just missed your meds today.

#216

Oh, where to start. For your benefit, I'll accept your free and easy interpretation of the RC report at face value and suppose that this Iraqi was a) innocent and b) beaten to death.

This still leaves the question of your point. Are you saying US troops should torture and kill Iraqis, so that there is some moral equivalence with the behaviour of the Islamosavages? What did you have in mind, Guantanamo prisoners lines up in a row and stoned to death, Sharia style, on live TV?

#216

Can you tell me the evidentiary difference between video tape showing a beheading and totally unsubstantiated, unproven, hearsay statements by blatantly biased sources?

#219

Iraqi 'beaten to death' by US troops

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

#216 FilthColm

Can anyone tell me what the moral difference is between beheading an innocent US civilian and beating an innocent Iraqi to death is?

We arrest and prosecute the perps. We take no pride in such things.

#223 FilthColm

Another link to the same carbon copy rumour mongering... well, that's really got me convinced.

I suppose there's a tape of this beating, with US soldiers waving bibles and singing 'hallelujah' as the man screams?

Shouldn't FTT, but OK, I'll bite. IF the allegations are true, there is no moral difference between the acts of killing those individuals.

There is an ocean of moral difference between those who punish murderers and those who glorify them.

Any other brain-teasers?

A. Reed,

"It's going to take an enormous amount of evidence
(more, likely, than will ever come to light) to convince the American people that Rumsfeld and his neocon cabal have been operating essentially as a rogue..."

No, Reed is going to take a major attack on US soil to convince Americans that, even if Bush had done nothing, like you propose, the islamists' aim is the destruction of the US and the elimination of the State of Israel. Nothing short of this will placate them!

#216 FilthColm

Can anyone tell me what the moral difference is between beheading an innocent US civilian and beating an innocent Iraqi to death is?

Sure. From your linked article:

that an inquiry by the Army's Special Investigations Branch was launched when they were first aired.

That investigation found that QLR personnel should answer charges in relation to the death, and six have since been arrested over various incidents.

Our society views this as wrong and will punish the wrongdoers. Another society (guess which one?) views this as OpsNormal, Allah Ackbar

now, go play in the street

Mcgyver, out

#214

If the German inhabitants of the towns and villages near Dachau and Buchenwald could ignore what was going on...

...and if the Iraqis could ignore what was going on when Saddam ran Abu Gharib...

*sigh*

OT - ish

The BBC have had a moment of clarity:

"Fight and slay the pagans wherever you may find them," the masked men say, quoting the Koran

Shock, horror! That's not in the Koran, is it? But surely... it's been taken out of context?

/feigned ignorance

#225 emo

Another link to the same carbon copy rumour mongering... well, that's really got me convinced.

It's a bit short on facts, as well. Google News comes up w/ 2 hits, both the same story. The other version is the Borneo News.

Maybe filth can tell us who Lieutenant Mohamad Abdel Abbas is, how we know that his word is truth, and how al-Guardian and al-Jizzerra managed to miss this...

Whoo-hoo! Dogpile on 216!

Mcgyver, over

#15 Shaefer

If you don't like the fact that no one has posted anything about this murder on imc sites then post it yourself. Use their tools against them.

thats what I did and continue to do in Atlanta.

Six Questions for Journalists

Saw this letter yesterday and LOVED it. Kudos to this gentleman for asking...

There is no moral difference between the act of beating an innocent to death and decapitating an innocent. The moral status of a culture lies not in the presence of evil acts; such acts are inevitable in any culture/society. Rather, cultural moral value lies in the reaction of a society to evil revealed in its midst.

The US soldiers that humiliated prisoners and the UK soldiers that allegedly killed an innocent will be charged and tried as appropriate. The jihadists who decapitated Berg will be promoted and lionized.

MODERN REPORTING

A guy saw a pit bull attacking a toddler. He killed the pit bull and saved
the toddler's life.

The reporters swarmed the guy. "Tell us! What's your name? All Paris will
love you! Tomorrow's headline: "Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!"

The guy says, "but I'm not from Paris."

Reporters: "That's OK. All France will love you. Tomorrow's Headline:
"Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!"

The guy says, "I'm not from France, either."

Reporters: "That's OK. All Europe will love you. Tomorrow's Headline:
"Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!"

The guy says, "I'm not from Europe, either."
Reporters: "So, where ARE you from?

The guy says, "I'm from Israel."

Reporters: "OK. Tomorrow's headline:
"Vicious Israeli Kills Girl's Defenseless Dog!"

Let's get it on!

# 236 Great analogy! Succinct and clarifying.

#210 Papijoe

Didn't get a chance to respond yesterday...but there are several sites suggesting to read certain tehillim. Like
Psalm 83.

Speaking of tough Jews...

GAZE at the idiot Filthy Fifth Column...Do not feed.

And Lance Stein-you are a disgusting person, go back to your ISM meeting.

Kragar (proud to be kafir) (#149),

Thanks for that link. A story you will never see on the nightly news: American heroism.

The Catholic Church is condemning the prison torture: Torture troubles Church.

Of all the images that have been released, this one is the most "tragically symbolic" because it shows a desire to treat the enemy almost as an animal, it said.

I'm waiting for an equal condemnation of the grab for Israeli body parts and the beheading of Nick Berg. And about Tali Hatuel and her daughters...

...waiting...waiting...waiting.

#72

Not all cultures are equally acceptable.

From Concise Oxford re Culture:

1 a the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively (a city lacking in culture). b a refined understanding of this; intellectual development (a person of culture).
2 the customs, civilization, and achievements of a particular time or people (studied Chinese culture).

I think, you mean a cult.

1 a system of religious worship esp. as expressed in ritual.
2 a devotion or homage to a person or thing (the cult of aestheticism). b a popular fashion esp. followed by a specific section of society.

#201 Robert S.

more atrocious

So Mr. S., the difference is just in degrees of atrocity? Is this how you think?

Murderous atrocity and POW abuse aren't on the same axis yet alone differ by the indefinite 'more'!!!
Do you get it that Nick Berg is no longer alive? His life snuffed out by subhuman demonic bipeds. Yet your words equivocate.

#236

Great! That is Cox and Forkum-quality!

Editorial found on the NY Post

What cruel, sick bastards.

Indeed, you can't get much more barbaric than the filmed beheading of 26-year-old Nick Berg that splashed across a terrorist group's Web site yesterday.

In case the world needed a reminder of why America is waging its War on Terror, it got one yesterday.

It's hard to imagine the terror that must have filled Berg in those final moments as he realized his hooded captors really were going to kill him.

It wasn't enough that they slaughtered the young Philadelphia businessman like a sheep and held his severed head aloft as if it were a trophy. No, they filmed the whole thing for the world to see.

Soldiers don't behave like that.

Only cowards and thugs do.

Now it's time to ratchet up the response to this war.

Forget Abu Ghraib.

The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.

But the beheading of Nick Berg is par for the course for al Qaeda.

Of course, the terrorists of Muntada al-Ansar, an al Qaeda offshoot, claimed they were acting in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib abuses.

Bull.

There were no known abuses at Abu Ghraib when Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi were murdered by Islamic terrorists.

And the events at Abu Ghraib had not yet come to light when frenzied crowds in Fallujah burned and mutilated the bodies of four Americans and strung them from a bridge.

No, the massacre of Nick Berg had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib.

Instead, this slaying was about the war against the West in general - and America, in particular. Indeed, the beheading may have been carried out personally by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top aide of Osama bin Laden.

Some people - some Americans - have forgotten about 9/11.

That attack should have been enough to justify all-out war. But the hand-wringing over the war in Iraq - and over even the modest steps America took to defend itself, like the Patriot Act - suggests that folks truly have lost sight of what the war is about.

Yesterday they got a shocking reminder. And now they know: This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism. Those who have set as their goal the destruction of America.

There is no negotiating with such people. There can be no compromise with those who mean to destroy us.

Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." That's the least of it.

America has to come out swinging.

And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.

If that means a resumption of major combat in Iraq, so be it.

Would it mean another division or so of combat troops to get the job done?

Turn to our garrisons in Europe, or Korea, to get them.

In sufficient numbers to get the job done.

To hell with political sensitivities in the region.

To hell with negotiating with radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf and the Sunni insurgents in Fallujah.

To hell with handing Saddam Hussein over to Iraqis, as some want to do, and risking some reverse - perverse - kangaroo trial that results in his survival.

Evil, cutthroat terrorists need to be eradicated.

Let's face it: This is a job that's going to take overwhelming - yes, brutal - force. There is simply no "nice" or painless way to accomplish this.

As yesterday's slaughter showed (yet again), the enemy is bound by no moral compunctions.

America won't go that far.

But it had better steel it's backbone and get ready to fight like it means it.

It's the only way to win this war

not all media is bad.

Um, I'd hate that a great chill would descend on the media, especially Randi Rhodes, but doesn't the US Secret Service visit people over "free expression" like this?

The signing of comedian and best-selling author Al Franken gave Air America a liberal drawing card. But if his three-hour show on Monday was typical, he could sink the ship instead of saving it.

Two attempts at humor were offensive. In his "oy, oy show," set to Israeli music, a sidekick reads news reports - in this case, the murder of the Russian-backed president of Chechnya. Franken's role is to pipe up with a lighthearted "oy, oy, oy." Yep, nothing tickles the ribs like assassination.

...

The queen of venom, Randi Rhodes, followed Franken in the host slot. Her imitation of a cracker military type telling a soldier to "insert this fluorescent light bulb into that man's buttocks" was revolting. She compared U.S. prisons in Iraq to the "Nazi gulag" and said, "The day I say thank you to Rumsfeld is the same day I'll say thank you to the 12 people who raped me."

Rock bottom came when she compared Bush and his family to the Corleones in the "Godfather" saga. "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw," she said, imitating the sound of gunfire.

NY Daily News Michael Goodwin (linked by Drudge)

WriterMom, Lance Stein is just bitter because I caught him out in a lie. Big time. He keeps e-mailing my friend who is not interested in his moronic thoughts. Lance said that he'd met my friend but when I asked him about it, he said that if they have met, he doesn't remember. Anyway, I read Lance's comments to him (see here) and we had a good laugh.

#239 WriterMom

If my wife has a boy, he's getting a Hebrew Hammer action figure.

To quote from Sherman's letter to Atlanta (thanks to whoever posted the link):

"You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better."

#248 zulubaby

I remember that thread-he just needs a G+LANCE.

#246 Ed Moran

What a sickening sad sack that Franken is. And Randi Rhodes is ignorant, repulsive and certifiable.

The only way this picture could be better...the thugs are grabbing the reporter and his name is Dan or Peter.

Of course, they wouldn't decapitate a reporter.

Unless he was Jewish and worked for the Wall Street Journal.

Great cartoon.

And half an hour ago I enjoyed the images on Fox: Marines shooting like hell against a mosque full of terrorists.

I hope the show will extend to every mosque.

BTW, I am NOT hearing the APOLOGIES from ANY arab or muslim for their last crime: IF THEY DON'T APOLOGIZE, IT MEANS THAT THEY ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE, even the ones who hide in the States.

NEVER FORGET NEVER FORGIVE

#65 Jack Frost

I'll support my spooks humiliating enemy prisoners no matter what sensitive illusions everyone else carries about how they should be treated.

I'll support Rummy and President Bush and everyone else in this administration feigning deep sorrow for the benefit of everyones sensitive illusions.

My comment #59 was directed out the global firestorm directed at the prisoner photos. When it will be primarily US citizens hurt and vocal about the brutal bestial savage murder of an innocent philanthropist.

And I can assure everyone here that even at LGF, the brutal absolute evil manner in which this good man died, will not get 1/5 the ink/comments the naked pyramid did, and will.

Very appropriate.

#201
Robert S. 5/12/2004 05:09AM PST

Would that more in this forum showed equal appreciation for human life and anger towards those who devalue it--whether those committing such violence be Iraqi or American, Palestinian or Jew.

Yes, we must condemn terrorism in all forms.

/muslim "moderate"

OT

Any clue about what's going on with Ranburg? No ping.

The cartoon nailed it.

My husband made me turn the tv off last night..because I was screaming at it..guess the children were shocked over mommy's impressive knowledge of 4-letter words.

If I hear one report of Arab "outrage" over attacking a mosque I may well and truly lose it.

On FOX this morning there was a headline caption "Universal Outrage" following a story of the beheading...they pointed out, that actually the headline was misleading, because there is no universal outrage.

#110 Zombie

I would like nothing more than for your theory to be correct, but it seems hard to believe that LGF hits would have doubled in one day because LGF posters were making insightful posts. My guess is it has something to do with the beheading. That said, if that is the sort of thing that brings people onto the site for the first time and some of them wind up sticking around, then great.

We know the media don't give a rat's ass about what anybody thinks left of center. But what about their sponsors? I think there enough pissed off people to flood their sponsors with what we( the non liberal whack jobs) think about their sponsorship of such crapola.

It's simplistic but...
Money talks and bull shit walks...

Just read the Nick Berg was Jewish.

Did anybody else know that?

[Link: www.totallyjewish.com...]

Revenge for Abu Ghraib, my arse!

We did get a very large number of visitors yesterday; it was partially due to thousands of hits from search engines as people tried to find the video. But even the non-search hits were up.

Robert S. repeats:

As I said, "The cartoon makes no sense whatsoever,

Not, "I don't agree. Here's why...", but it makes "no sense whatsoever".

So does it make "no sense" to you Robert? In which case your incredably stupid. Or, more likely, since you go on to explain all about it and attempt to refute it contentions, that you have an inadequate grasp of language? And are simply dumb.

In fact, it illustrates quite plainly that the media did cover Nick Berg's assassination, briefly and in how it relates to the "real" story, the atrocities at Abu Ghraib. For which we've been told, and which the media agrees, that this murder was a justified response to.

Google has a news map that can be used to see relative amounts of coverage (look at the area involved and the font size). For news of all types, click here. Note the big story: "Israelis Kill 5 Palestinians During Hunt for Bodies."

If you want just "World" and "Nation" news, it's here. The Israel story is even bigger. The second biggest story is about the abuse scandal: "Prison Report, Pentagon View Differ." (You can mouse-over to see the lead for more information.) There's a second article about Afghanistan adding to abuse charges.

Nothing about Nick Berg that I can see.

#262 Charles

50K unique users is pretty impressive. I'm curious what the highest daily total is. I remember hearing that DailyKOS was around 75K. LGF is getting up there.

#250 seahawk -

You're welcome.

What's amazing is that there's basically no one around these days (well, maybe Hanson or Ajami) willing to acknowledge the three simple points that Sherman understood with crystal clarity:

1. War is hell.
2. Sometimes war is necessary.
3. Those who start a war have to accept the consequences.

AndreaSF asks when did we destroy a building? Happen to swing by Fallujah lately?

I know zulubaby and WritersBlock feel a need to attack me personally, but all I did was link to someone else's opinion that I happen to agree with. So sue me.

No matter how horrific Nick Berg's murder is, the treatment against detainees at Abu Ghraib can only be pepetrated and condoned by savages. One does not equal the other. That is the terrorists logic.

LGFers may wish to add to the comments by this "Angry Jew!" at the discussion on this blog by a BBC producer who says:

The fate that befell Nick Berg is utterly shocking, grisly and vile. It cannot possibly be condoned under any circumstances.

BUT

- Berg had been warned to leave Iraq but refused.
- His father says he saw his trip to Iraq as "an adventure."
- He went to Iraq to look for work on reconstruction.

(Sources: AP and The Independent.)

If I want adventure I go scuba diving or horse-riding. If I needed work I'd search through the situations vacant ads.

Iraq isn't a place for freelance adrenalin junkies -- as the case of Nick Berg makes gruesomely clear.

I know zulubaby and WritersBlock feel a need to attack me personally

Boo-hoo. You've got a big mouth, Lance. If you're going to dish it out you'd better be prepared to take it.

... but all I did was link to someone else's opinion that I happen to agree with.

Ah, you innocent lamb. And I've told you, Clinton would prefer that you not link to his site from here.

#267 I was referring to the World Trade Center, maybe youv'e heard of it Lance, at one of your Kerry rallies. or maybe not. Falluga is a military response to the brutal torture and burning and desecration of American humans. The WTC was unprovoked, full of innocent civillians.. How stupid are you to have to have this explained like you are 5?
And no, one does not equal the other /your words/.. death is not equal to wearing ladies panties on your head..
Are you posting from a hospital?

Are you posting from a hospital?

LOL.

253 Poiters-Lepanto

And half an hour ago I enjoyed the images on Fox: Marines shooting like hell against a mosque full of terrorists.

I enjoyed that footage too as I sweated off calories on the elliptical trainer on my lunch break.

Mosque = target. Minaret = aiming stakes.
Is anybody (besides us and Fox News) connecting the dots here... how many psycho fanatic killers are saying Allah Akbar when they kill, how their actions match the words preached by the world headquarters of Islam at Mecca and Medina?

This murder did not enrage me (haven't seen the video) because I have long ago conceptualized who we are fighting. The concept became very clear to me on Sep. 12. They think all of us, including little babies and old people and nice LLL's and oppressed minorities, are literally the devil in human flesh, and they would kill us all without a moment's hesitation. Our only hope is to kill them first. Nick Berg may not have died in vain if his murder gets peoples craniums out of their rectums and gets people thinking straight about what is going on here.

The jihadis are vicious fanatics. We the west are pussies. That is why the moderate muslim majority (tm) is silent. I agree with you Poiters that the invocation of Allah by the killers puts that majority on the hook until their house is clean. I do blame them.

War is not pretty.
You can't fight a war until you know who the enemy is.

#267

No matter how horrific Nick Berg's murder is, the treatment against detainees at Abu Ghraib can only be pepetrated and condoned by savages. One does not equal the other.

I am glad to see you do not equate the two. I will assume that you are sincere.

Consider this. We know about the abuses at Abu Ghraib because the abusers were turned in by other US soldiers. The chain of command immediately began investingating and taking steps to punish the handful of wrongdoers when the story was leaked to the press and to Congress. Several high ranking military careers are being ended for failure to anticiapte and prevent these abuses. Prisoner abuse occurs in any war. The actual perpetrators will be tried, convicted, and imprisoned. The country, its governmental officials, and its military are by and large disgusted with the abuses that occurred, notwithstanding that those of us who retain our sanity are able to balance our disgust with a certain perspective that is by no means the same as condonation.

That's far different from deliberately murdering women and children at point blank range. Its far different than posing and dancing with the severed body parts of our enemies. Its far different than dancing in the streets and giving candy to children in order to celebrate the murder of innocent civilians.

For that matter it's not even the same as Saddam's rape rooms and his routine use of amputation and torture.