Does that say "Datsun" on it??? Aren't they "Nissan" now?
:-0

First?

Also, doesn't it look more like a big syringe rather than a missle? No artistry at all ...

{calculates how many seconds [or is it tenths of seconds?] he would last against I.F. .. }

Uh, no ...

=:-0

(#1) Buckaroo

LOL

It says "Qassam" in English - meaning it's likely another ISM 'Arts & Crafts' project.

And the Israeli's are supposed to know this isn't a real missile from 100-300 yards away how?

According to the French, Hamas is a charity group. So, how can anyone say that children shouldn't be involved?

/fin de sarcasme

Al-NY Times chimes in with: "LETTER FROM GAZA"
Balancing the Mideast Ledger in the Wounds of a Dead Child
By JAMES BENNET

Published: May 21, 2004

AFAH REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip, May 20 — Set in fields of white, pink and red carnations, the giant cooler here, which usually holds vegetables or flowers for sale to an Israeli company, has been turned over to the dead.

It was to this cooler that, inevitably, the Palestinian doctor came Wednesday morning, when, just as inevitably, the latest Israeli Army raid touched off a parallel struggle to define reality. Were there, in fact, children among the dead, as the Palestinians claimed? How many? Did they die from Israeli sniper fire or from militants' explosives?

The doctor, Ahmed Abu Nikera, had had enough of these questions. In the dank, shadowy room, he yanked and pulled to open the bloodstained white cloth wrapping one of the bodies as tightly as a mummy.

"This is a child," he said, after he revealed the pale gray face of Ibrahim al Qun, 14. "This is the exit wound." He pointed at the ragged, softball-sized black hole where the boy's left eye had been. A sniper's bullet entered at the back of the boy's head, he said.

Still, in the icy book of accounts that one carries to follow this conflict day after day, something else also had to be noted: During the fighting Tuesday night, Dr. Ali Moussa of Al Najar hospital had said there were seven people under the age of 18 among the dead; a list of names and ages compiled by Palestinian hospital officials Wednesday morning showed four people under 18.

Along with the chaos of gunshots, tank shells, planted bombs and armored bulldozers that accompanies life here, there is a dense fog of war. There is also a war of fog, of often fuzzily presented but always sharply conflicting versions of reality.

Like so many characteristics of this conflict, the tension over competing truths is shared across the desert, in Iraq. There, American soldiers and insurgents are not only fighting very different kinds of battles, but also describing very different ones. In the end, it seems that the contest of descriptions matters more, at least to the leaders and to the analysts who guide them.

Whether the casualties on any given day are on one side or the other or both, there is also, in a dark space somewhere, a reality. There is a dead child; there is an exit wound.

How many dead children is too many is a question often asked by Palestinians and Israelis, but it shows no hint of being resolved.

A couple of hours after the visit to the cooler, life here took another cruel and bewildering twist. On Wednesday afternoon, an Israeli helicopter gunship and a tank opened fire as demonstrators approached a neighborhood on Rafah's outskirts that the Israelis seized Tuesday.

Men with agony in their faces ran carrying little boys who bled from many shrapnel wounds. It was bedlam, panic, a vertiginous glimpse of hell.

There were dead and there were wounded, covering the beds and even the floors of Al Najar hospital. Television reports were of more than 20 killed. But one had to ask, hovering ghoulishly with pen in hand and account book at the ready: Where were the bodies?

Palestinian health officials said at least 10 were killed. But Dr. Moussa acknowledged Wednesday night that he could not "guarantee" that number. He said that some families had taken their dead for burial before the bodies reached the hospital.

Muslims bury their dead as swiftly as possible. The bodies of 14 Palestinians were in the flower cooler only because their families were trapped under Israeli curfew and unable to bury them.

Dr. Moussa's uncertainty contrasted with Israelis' precision in gathering their own dead. A few days ago, Israeli soldiers on their knees formed a line in the sand not far from here, to sift for tiny fragments of comrades killed when militants blew up an armored vehicle.

Israeli officials did not publicly contest the sum of Palestinian dead on Wednesday. They generated a different kind of fog.

In a statement by the army, and in disciplined remarks by many officials, the Israeli government expressed sorrow for any deaths of civilians. It called the incident very grave. It said that the incident might have been caused by tank fire. It also suggested that the cause might have been explosives planted by militants. The helicopter and tank fire was legitimate, the government said, because there were gunmen in the crowd of protesters.

Many witnesses said there were no gunmen. The matter is under investigation, the army said.

#7 FH:
That's the point, isn't it? And then we'll have yet more condemnations of those satanic Israelis killing Palestinian children who were picking olives and bringing in laundry on their way to pet the animals in the zoo at their school.

Or something.

Charles,

Did you see the photo of the Israeli "peace" marchers... one boy was holding up a banner that said "I Love the Beatles"... I don't know how to post a photo.

Iron Fist (#2),

The unanswerable question is why the Israeli's allow these freaks to live.

You got that right. I've tried, and have yet to come up with a satisfactory answer.

# 6 SCJ

"ISM 'Arts & Crafts' project."

Motto -- "Equipping Idiotarians for protests since 2000"

Buckaroo,

Dude, Iron Fist is all talk. Man, you can take him easily. I am talking about real damn quick.

pssstt...SoCal...pull up a chair...wanna beer for the show >-)

When did PDM start working for the AP.

# 14 RWC

nice coatholding ...
:-)

#15 Buckaroo

Thanx...at least I didn't put any money on it.

But dude, lemme borrow a hundred to put on you, easy money my man. You got this in the bag.

(just hanging around 'cause I am not getting involved in the other thread ;-)

How long can the F5 key last if it gets punched alot?

# 16 RWC

Too much Samson option talk for ya?
:-)

Drudge reporting new FBI memo to local law enforcement to watch for people wearing jackets on warm days, or people who won't unclench their fists. FBI memo also reports suicide bombers may be disguised as pregnant women.

No mention about why the FBI is issuing such a memo now.

ted (#9),

Wow, that article is a load of crap. Talk about editorializing the news.

# 17 Ann

If you do to it what I use the mouse and the "Refresh" icon on the toolbar for a typical day -- about 8-10 weeks!
:-)

Todays Al-NY Times again chimes in gushing with praise: "Mr. Barghouti, 44, is the most prominent representative of a pragmatic, secular Palestinian leadership that is losing ground during the conflict to Muslim extremists calling for the Israel's destruction.

Although Mr. Barghouti defends the current Palestinian uprising, he was once an eloquent proponent of the 1993 Oslo accords, which established a governing Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Gaza, occupied by Israel in 1967."

#6 SoCalJustice

It says "Qassam" in English - meaning it's likely another ISM 'Arts & Crafts' project.

ISM arts & crafts project...LOL! Brought to us by the same ISM defense contractors that build those papier mache tanks, no doubt!

Ann (#17),

LOL. Keep at it and let us know, huh?

# 20 I.F.

Oh, yeah -- those guys -- no prob.!

{Desperately trying to remember his last fistfight - jr. high or college? -- early 80s or late? Pretty sure he lost in either timeframe so tactical review would be useless ... }

cba (#10)

And then we'll have yet more condemnations of those satanic Israelis killing Palestinian children ...

That should be ...

And then we'll have yet more condemnations of those satanic Israelis killing retarded Palestinian children

... don't you know?

Ted:
re #9

I guess it would wrong to have hoped the Pali kidnappers had gotten this dufus into the trunk of their Mercedes.

#27 zulubaby:
My bad. I forgot they were all deaf and blind as well.

cba, LOL!

School night?

The Palestinians whoring their children again.

Palestinian children wearing chains, depicting prisoners, participate in a demonstration demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, in the northern West Bank city of Nablus, Monday May 17, 2004. The poster features a picture of an unidentified prisoner and it reads in Arabic: 'Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades,' referring to the militant group affiliated with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's faction, and 'Freedon for the freedom fighters.' (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh).

#18 Buckaroo

That's fine with me. It's just when the folks who are disagreeing with eachother start treating eachother like shi*. Ya know, I'm a sensitive type of guy :-)

#20 Iron Fist

Ixnay on the skillzay, trying to make some monezay.

yeah, I suck. I never got the hang of that pig-latin crap

I don't know if anyone else has seen or mentioned this yet, but I found it interesting:

Michael Moore Hates America, a documentary

#33 zb

Thx. for messing up my dinner!
:-(

#32 Ann

School night?

That's what you think. I'll have you know I got another extra FULL hour to stay up since I cleaned my plate tonight. :-P

#29 Ed...on the contrary,Ed, ...Bennet spent his time well in the trunk, after cleaning the shit out of his pants,he pennied not one but two aricles in todays Al-NY Times...the Barghouti article is his too.

# 35 FH

Was tossed around a bit yesterday -- somebody like C. Heston needs to open up their pocketbook to make sure that hits some screens in the summer -- and video shelves in the fall!

#33 zulubaby

I think if Charles were to actually integrate all of the pali child abuse photos into the slideshow there wouldn't be room for much else on this site. I know I grabbed about 20 (they may have been older pictures) today alone.

BTW: Al- NY Times neglected to mention this about their hero:... Barghouti was convicted of orchestrating the attack which killed an Israeli in January 2002 in Givat Ze'ev; the murder of Father Georgios Tsibouktsakis, the acting superior of St. George's Monastery killed in a drive-by shooting on the Jerusalem-Ma'aleh Adumim highway in June 2001; and the March 5, 2002 late-night shooting attack on the Seafood Market in Tel Aviv in which three people were killed. He was also convicted of the attempted car bombing at Jerusalem's Malcha mall.

Relating to each attack specifically, the judges said Barghouti had ordered the attack on a Pisgat Ze'ev gas station, and was directly involved in its perpetration; he gave an order for a shooting attack in which the Greek Monk was killed; and he was a member of the group which planned and carried out the attack on the Seafood Market restaurant in Tel-Aviv. He was involved in planning the attack on Jerusalem's Malcha mall.

RWC, what the Palestinians do to their children is criminal but do we ever hear a word about it?

I guess my main objection to suicide bombing is how commercial its all gotten. Back during the old intifada of '88, a guy strapped some explosives to his chest, walked into a building and blew himself up. Now he's got to make a video, pose for eight-by-tens. Maybe I'm old school, but whatever happened to the suicide bomber who just did it for the love of the hate?

Ah...Dennis... LOL. He kind of has a point. Look at it- it's a photo-op.

#38 RWC:

Um, the arab kids.
They show up at wedding parties at 3:00 am, car swarms, rock throwing during school hours, and photo ops of them grabbing dead people parts. No school? At least a madrassa?

The nose of that missile looks suspiciously pink to me. Could it be that these children are carrying the armaments to the dreaded Leftist Tank?

#43 zulubaby

Rhetorical question, right?

Of course not. Reporters can't take sides remember. (well, I guess I should say they can't take Israels side.)

#45 Ann

Oh OK. Now I understand.

but I still did get my extra hour :-)

of course the article should be titled biased agianst USA extremely biased against Israel
"Balanced in Iraq, Tilted in Gaza
In the wake of similar deadly incidents, media outlets grant US spokesmen a voice Israel is denied.

On Wednesday (May 19), two very similar incidents caused the death of 10 Palestinians in Gaza, and about 40 Iraqis along the Syrian border. In both events, local witnesses immediately claimed that military vehicles intentionally fired upon unarmed civilian crowds. In Gaza, the IDF immediately denied this; likewise in Iraq, US commanders firmly disputed it.

Responsible news coverage should have conveyed the disputed nature of the two unfortunate incidents. Yet while most media outlets were careful to express the US position prominently in the headline and opening sentence, that same balance was denied to Israel. The effect ― a worldwide suggestion that the IDF deliberately murdered innocent Palestinian protestors. Some examples:

Washington Post
Iraq - US position presented
in headline, first sentence
(see full article)
Gaza - Israeli position presented
in third paragraph.
(see full article)

Headline "... Target Disputed"
"Israeli Attack on Gaza Protest Kills at Least 12"
First sentence "...striking what ... U.S. officials called a way station for foreign infiltrators."
"An Israeli helicopter gunship and a tank fired rockets and artillery shells at Palestinian protesters..."

Comments to: letters@washpost.com

LA Times
Iraq - US position presented
in headline, first sentence
(see full article)
Gaza - Israeli position presented
in twenty-ninth paragraph
(see full article)

Headline "Military says it hit a militant safe house"
N/A
First sentence " ...what the U.S. said was a suspected safe house for foreign fighters."
"Israeli forces fired a missile and tank shells toward a large crowd of Palestinian demonstrators..."

Comments to: letters@latimes.com

BBC
Iraq - US position presented
in headline, first sentence
(see full article)
Gaza - Israeli position presented
in eighth paragraph.
(see full article)

Headline "US Denies Bombing Wedding Party"
"Israelis Fire on Crowds in Gaza"
First sentence "The US military has denied allegations that its forces in Iraq killed dozens of people celebrating a marriage..."
"Israeli troops have opened fire during a protest by Palestinian demonstrators..."

Comments to: newsonline@bbc.co.uk

Reuters
Iraq - US position presented
in headline, second sentence
(see full article)
Gaza - Israeli position presented
in fifth paragraph.
(see full article)

Headline "US Army Disputes Reports it Killed Civilians"
"Israeli Forces Fire on Crowd in Gaza, Killing 10"
Opening 2 sentences "... targeted 'a suspected foreign fighter safe house'"
"Israeli tanks and helicopters fired toward protesters in a Palestinian refugee camp Wednesday..."

Comments to: editor@reuters.com

AFP
Iraq - US position presented
in first sentence
(see full article)
Gaza - Israeli position presented
in third paragraph.
(see full article)

Headline "US troops accused of killing 40 at wedding"
"10 Palestinians killed as Israeli army fires on protest against bloody raid"
First sentence "...the Pentagon said air strikes were conducted on a house used by foreign fighters..."
"...Israeli troops fired on hundreds of demonstrators..."

Comments to: contact@afp.com

Moreover, other reports from the Evening Standard, the Independent, AFP, Associated Press, and Reuters failed to convey the actual IDF version of events at all.

And some media outlets immediately inflated the casualties:

Ireland On-Line: 'Israeli missile strikes kill 23 civilians in Gaza'
Voice of America: 'Israeli Forces Fire On Gaza Protesters, at Least 23 Dead '
After the 2002 Jenin experience, one would have thought journalists would have learned that part of the Palestinian strategy in this war is to disseminate false claims of Israeli 'massacres.' This, in the hope the falsities will make international headlines.
[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

How can the media continue to peddle the myths? Journalism is just brazen lying now. No, Al'Propaganda, parents DON'T do anything like this with kids in the US.

If Americans were waging an "intifada" we would attack military targets in groups. We would not use women and children as shields. In the history of US warfare, I don't recall any history of using children as faux weapon carriers or shields.

It is reminiscent of May Day parades back in the bad ole days however.

OT
Blaming someone else for a change

Night, I.F.

That photo, whether the rocket is real or not, is being carried by a child! What does that tell you? See his mom or dad trying to get him out of the rally? Look at the boys face and eyes in front of the rocket carrier...what I see is surprise and fear with a lot of confusion. I AM SITTING HERE WONDERING WHY THESE PICTURES AREN'T SHOVED UP COLLIN POWELLS and CONNIE RICES ASS, SHOVED DOWN PRESIDENT BUSHES THROAT AND DISPLAYED ALL OVER OUR MEDIA. Gee, could it be that the pics may disgust someone, or that what is really happening to the arab children is what Israel is being accused of? THE reality and brain polluting of intensive training in "boot camps" for arab children courtesy of the Hamas is what you are looking at..but they are still learning..didn't you know a Quassam rockets are also launched by the so called innocent arab children against Israel? THESE KIDS ARE A MINOR, YET, IMPORTANT PART OF THE TERRORIST ACTIONS. tHEY HAVE MANY "USES", INSTRUCTION MANUAL INCLUDES: CAN FIRE ROCKETS, GUNS, SET OFF BOMBS, STAND IN FRONT OF IDF TANKS, THEY ARE EASILY DISPENSABLE AND EXPENDABLE , OBSTRUCT THE IDF'S ABILITY TO GET TO THE COWARDS THAT ARE HIDING BEHIND THEM,(YASSIN WAS A MASTER AT THAT, AND GOOD PR FOR HIM..TO BAD HE COULDN'T TAKE THEM EVERYWHERE, LIKE THE MOSQUE WHERE HE TOOK 3 ROCKETS!) AND HE LOST EVERYTHING BUT HIS HEAD..HOW APPROPRATE~!!!
I guess he had to turn all those virgins over to Rantisi, lmfao. WHAT A CROCK OF SHEEP SH_T!!! Pun intended!!!

Kathleen Hunter (#53),

It is infuriating isn't it?

Want to really get your dander up? Check out Charles' slide show:

Palestinian Child Abuse

109 more like this one. And it only really scratches the surface.

Looks like the Pali's got another 'dead kids' victory. Fox News has IDF retreating (whoops - 'redeploying). White House lost its nerve after worldwide caterwauling about the 23, no 17, no 10, no 7... dead.

Also from Fox

The names of more than 700 American service members killed in Iraq will appear in a "Doonesbury" (search) comic strip during the Memorial Day weekend.

Sort of like how the fine citizens of Fallujah honored the reconstruction work of the contractors by dragging their bodies through the street.

"This is a child," he said, after he revealed the pale gray face of Ibrahim al Qun, 14.

(I am appalled--maybe the doctor is, too...)

"This is the exit wound." He pointed at the ragged, softball-sized black hole where the boy's left eye had been. A sniper's bullet entered at the back of the boy's head, he said.

14 is plenty old enough for shahadah, say the Palie martyr-makers. And note: SNIPER bullet to the BACK of the head, when the boy is most likely to be FACING the Israeli troops.

Along with the chaos of gunshots, tank shells, planted bombs and armored bulldozers that accompanies life here, there is a dense fog of war. There is also a war of fog, of often fuzzily presented but always sharply conflicting versions of reality.

Now we hear gunshots, and maybe a reporter's growing concern over the stories being spun?

Like so many characteristics of this conflict, the tension over competing truths

Of truth and lies, maybe?

How many dead children is too many is a question often asked by Palestinians and Israelis, but it shows no hint of being resolved.

(And won't be, as long as Palies say, "More, we need more!" Only the Pa's can stop the Pa's aggression. Nobody else can decide for them.)

A couple of hours after the visit to the cooler, life here took another cruel and bewildering twist. ... But one had to ask, hovering ghoulishly with pen in hand and account book at the ready: Where were the bodies?

(In Jennin, peut-etre?)

Palestinian health officials said at least 10 were killed. But Dr. Moussa acknowledged Wednesday night that he could not "guarantee" that number. He said that some families had taken their dead for burial before the bodies reached the hospital.

(Is the religious custom useful to hide evidence from snoopy reporters?)

Muslims bury their dead as swiftly as possible. The bodies of 14 Palestinians were in the flower cooler only because their families were trapped under Israeli curfew and unable to bury them.

(So, an unexpected delay allowed examination.)

Dr. Moussa's uncertainty contrasted with Israelis' precision in gathering their own dead. A few days ago, Israeli soldiers on their knees formed a line in the sand not far from here, to sift for tiny fragments of comrades killed when militants blew up an armored vehicle.

(May they find favor with the Almighty.)

Israeli officials did not publicly contest the sum of Palestinian dead on Wednesday. They generated a different kind of fog.

(Fog, eh? The "fog" of "the investigation isn't over yet"? What, they should read minds, and the future as well? This may just be "great novelist" journalism, but it casts suspicion on somebody who has acted and spoken openly...)

In a statement by the army, and in disciplined remarks (Horrors! *Disciplined* military--or is this maybe admiration?) by many officials, the Israeli government expressed sorrow for any deaths of civilians. It called the incident very grave. It said that the incident might have been caused by tank fire. (A popular sniper's shoulder-mounted weapon, the tank... Not!) It also suggested that the cause might have been explosives planted by militants. (Which could even have included ammo, or projectile objects that acted much like a round of gunfire.) The helicopter and tank fire was legitimate, the government said, because there were gunmen in the crowd of protesters. (Again, no rifles/shotguns/water pistols in the crowd, concealed under robes, etc.--right?)

Many witnesses said there were no gunmen. (But the boy who *should* have been safely buried before examination had what kind of fatal wound?) The matter is under investigation, the army said. (Maybe they could hire David Copperfield and the Amazing Randi to shed light on this trick: Now we have fatal gun wounds to the back of children's heads in a crowd, now we don't have guns. Maybe a family just got their kiddo's deathwish, some cash, and a friendly nod from the imam next time they go to the mosque. Maybe not. But it doesn't look clean to this reader.)

#33 zulubaby

I know it isn't like carrying a gun in a war zone, but can you imagine stressing those little muscles and ligaments that way, making those kids march with their hands overhead?

If we could only get them adopted away before, maybe, age 2-3 (when they are thoroughly indoctrinated)...

That is just cruel! And for a lousy photo op.

Funny how those Paleo-brats have a knack of showing up in the wrong place at the wrong time. You think that their parents would try to protect them, but that assumes their parents are civilized!

Just wondering when the kids are old enough to exchange the fake missles for the real ones???

Im adding culture to that phrase (RoD):

Religion and Culture of Death.

From the inimitable Imshin J:

One sentence jumps out at me from Haaretz’s report of yesterday’s incident: "Dozens of children marched at the head of the procession". These people were marching towards an area that was under curfew, in the middle of a military operation, and they put the kids in front. Cynical bastards.

You say they are the weak side, so they have no choice but to act as they do. And I say we are the weak side, because we have feelings of guilt when we kill, and they do not*.

Our guilt will be the end of us. The Palestinians' strength is that they have no such shackles. And they make good use of ours.

___
* I am aware that this is a generalization. Just as I know that not all Israelis feel guilty, I can imagine that not all Palestinians do not.

Not only is she correct, but it's another illustration of the fact that Israel and the USA are in the same war against the same enemy. Consider the US strike near the Syrian border. The US says that it attacked infiltrating fighters. The Arabs point to the large contingent of children in the group to argue otherwise.

As though the two cannot both be true.

One wonders how quickly liberals would be to whisk the child from an American family that did what these palistinan monsters do to their children?

A friend of mine happened to get into a conversation with an Arab woman who was trying to move to the USA to protect her son. From the Israelis? No. From the mind set of her neighbors who talked about having many children to raise up to become "martyrs" and from boys who end each statement of grevience with "Going to go blow myself up.

If only those bleeding hearts who decry Israel so much would spend half their energy on really caring for these modern day child sacrifices.

The child shield strategy is working, I must admit. Their only weapon is the media, and they know how to use it. When will the media quit encouraging the Muslims to kill their own children?

Could someone set up a "Not in Our Name" rally for those of us who want to make it clear that calls for sanctions against Israel and the leftist media's snivelling support for islamic terrorists are "not in our name"?

As long as using children as human shields works for the Palestinians, they will continue to do so. Israel must expel all reporters from Gaza, and then do whatever they must to utterly destroy all terrorist bases, members, infrastructure, etc. Israel, if she is going to survive, must learn to become every bit as ruthless as the Palestinians and to fight with every resource at her disposal.

The US, of course, must learn to do the same.

LtTw (#57)

Isn't that picture just awful? I'm so hardened toward the Palestinians but that picture broke my heart a little. They are so abused, it's so terrible.

Check out these incredible shots.
[Link: www.geocities.com...]

They say that a picture is worth 1000 words. The following photographs demonstrates vividly the moral issues facing Israeli troops when confronting armed Palestinian gunmen taking refuge among children and civilians. When taking into consideration this terrorist tactic -- operating from within civilian population -- one can only appreciate the relatively low Palestinian civilian casualty rate caused by IDF soldiers.

I think they are the most telling of all. You can see the terrorist shooting rifles while surrounded by dozens of kids. Does anyone know if there's anymore like these around. I never knew it was this bad and anyone I've showed them to is quickly converted.

What a waste of children's lives. We all know what Golda Meir said and it's still true today unfortunately:
"There will be peace only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."

There's a long, rambling piece on the Rafah demonstration incident in today's Haaretz. You can skip the first few paragraphs which try to provide personal background, but buried further down is some interesting stuff, including criticisms of the IDF (apparently they didn't use all available intel to monitor the demonstration) as well as a description of how impossible the situation really was (real risk of guys with anti-tank missiles in the crowd, which was getting very close to cutting off one IDF unit from another). Also this tidbit:

When men obeyed the calls over the loudspeakers to turn themselves in to the IDF authorities (and to the intelligence people who wanted to question them), they were confronted by members of the terror organizations, who opened fire on them and killed two children. A senior officer in Gaza reported yesterday that the IDF have in their possession pictures of this incident, of Palestinians killing their children. He expressed amazement as to why the army has refrained from publishing them.

Why haven't we heard more about this??

About the urgent necessity of the IDF's tunnel-prevention work in Gaza:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Justice Minister Yosef Lapid, however, said Thursday that Israel has to act against terrorists in Rafah because they are trying to smuggle in Strela anti-aircraft missiles that will be used against civiian airliners. "If this happens, God forbid, and airplanes are shot down, people will ask us why we didn't act to stop it," Lapid said.

If we could have done something to prevent 9/11, wouldn't we have the right to have done it? If the Lockerbie tragedy could have been avoided, wouldn't it have been right to take action to avoid it?

The Hamas genocide machine, which operates in Gaza, would not have any moral misgivings about smuggling in Strela anti-aircraft missiles and using them to bring down planes headed toward Israel. Israel's choice is to have such a tragedy occur, or to weather the storm of protest against Israel's taking preventive action by making the smuggling of weapons more difficult.

If you think that some day you might want to fly to that region of the world, you should be thankful that there are efforts to prevent the proliferation of weapons to shoot down airliners there.

Israel really has no choice. The only sane thing to do is to prevent the smuggling of such weapons. And if Israel is going to disengage from Gaza, which the US wants to happen, then some disarmament methods have to be carried out at this border area, including the elimination of tunnels, and the widening of the corridor at the border to make tunnel-making more difficult and easier to spot. With a longer tunnel, there may have to be air holes in the tunnel, and that would make them easier to spot.

The demilitarization work being done in Rafah has become urgent because of the disengagement plan. Sharon is serious about his disengagement plan, regardless of the views of his party's rank and file. And that means that he needs to be able to get this demilitarization work done at this time.

The international outcry against it is because of the fact that the international community places no value at all on Israeli lives.

Actually, it's worse than that. Reader "Sven" pointed out that he opposes Israel because he doesn't like the ratio of Palis killed compared with Israelis killed in this war. And that's probably the climate of stated opinion of the Euros, and much of the international community.

The number of Pali deaths is being held to the minimum, consistent with Israel's carrying out efforts to defend itself. The other variable is the number of Israeli deaths. And the Euros would like that number to increase, and so would the international community. Preventing Israel from getting rid of the tunnels helps the Euros keep the number of Israeli deaths high, just as opposition to the anti-terror fence helps keep the number of Israeli deaths high, and opposition to Israel's swatting down terrorists helps keep the number of Israelis deaths high. Keeping the Israel deaths high helps remove an irritant to the Euros. But the right and obligation of the government of Israel is to protect its population, and they have to do what they have to do.

Seeing how degenerate the Pali children have become convinces more then ever that Israel needs to do two thigns:

1. totally militarily defeat the P.A. and all its subsidiary terror braches, Hamas, IJ, AAMB, Tanzim, Fatah, PFLP, etc.

2. totally disengage from these Nazis. This means finish the fence, define defensible borders for your slef, massive retliation including aeiral bombardment of Pali cities and refugee camps if there are terror attacks, no more Pali workers in Isrel (why provide jobs for ungrateful Arabs?), no Pali access to Israeli social services, airports, etc. Completely cut off Gaza from the West Bank, keep a stranglehold on Pali water and energy supplies and cut them off if they act like the savages we know they are.

more palestinian lies and the media which buys into them:

[Link: www.gravett.org...]

If you were under seige, you'll defend yourself as well. Clearly, the Palestinians need more weapons. Maybe a few missiles and helicopters. The US needs to tell Israel to take a flying leap at the moon!

davmpls (#73)

The US needs to tell Israel to take a flying leap at the moon!

Really? Why is that? Besides for your own Jew-hating reasons, of course.

73# I am sure the Palestinians being under siege and oppressed and desperate is the real reason why they shot that pregnant lady and her 4 young daughters ages 2 to 10 in the head at point blank range several times.Then even after they were dead continued to pour bullets in their lifeless bodies and afterwards videotaped the results of their actions in hopes they could share it with all their other oppressed,desperate friends.Get real these people are evil.The terrorists are no different then Nazis.They should be dealt with in a similiar manner.If the world doesn't like it tough,when has the world ever really cared if Jews get butchered?

Looks like he's carrying an extra-large syringe of Krazy Glue.

No, that's a large magenta crayon. A kid has to express their artistic side.

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14 is plenty old enough for shahadah, say the Palie martyr-makers. And note: SNIPER bullet to the BACK of the head, when the boy is most likely to be FACING the Israeli troops.

What if he was shot from the back, while running away from the Israeli troops?

It's just going to get worse. the Philppines are going to head the United Nations starting in 2005. I lived there for 3 years and that was long enough. Mindanao, the lower island is a major trafficking station for weapons, training the terrorists, money laundering, drugs, planning attacks...I worked for the Navy back in the late '70's and teh first day I got there we were taken to a tent, by the Navy Officers and told the situations..the Muzslims had just made 12 airmen from Clark Air Force Base dig their own massive grave and lined them up and shot them all in the back of the head...what was done about it? NOT A DAMN THING!

The government in the P.I. is going to be worse in power at the U.N. than ever before and the Jews need to watch out! This is disaster in the making!!! and worse!!!