Just curious

When was the last time that a muslim/arab apologist had to go into hiding because of death threats?

Can he be tried for sedition? Please?

For the record:

I did not, nor do not issue threats to someone who says stuff I desagree with.

Bazian needs to pour himself a nice hot cuppa shut the f*ck up, grab the remote, and start watching Fox News.

Hatem

I'm sure I'm not the first to make this observation, but that name is so appropriate.

The situation in London universities isn't as bad as that, thank goodness, but there is certainly cause for concern.

LSE Extremism Row The director of the London School of Economics has apologised to Jewish students after the leader of extremist group Al-Muhajiroun addressed a seminar at the campus. Anjem Choudary, the group’s UK head, was among the speakers at an event this month organised by LSE-based charity INFORM. The organisation, created with the help of home office funding, was set up to provide information on minority religions. In a letter to the university’s Israel society, seen by TJ, the university’s director Howard Davies said: “I am sorry that the presence of Mr Choudary on the LSE campus has caused concern and anxiety among Jewish students at the school.” But he insisted the event was not advertised as part of the school’s programme and the institution’s authorities were not consulted about the line-up of speakers. Al-Muhajiroun, which is unwelcome at National Union of Students events under its no platform for racism policy, organised an event entitled 11 September: A towering day in history, to mark a year since the attacks on New York and Washington. The group’s headquarters were raided by anti-terror police last July. Pro-Israel students expressed “deep shock” after learning of Choudary’s participation in the event days after it had taken place.

A statement from the Israel society’s executive committee said the decision to grant Choudary a platform “has caused us to feel threatened, and we feel that our right to study in a safe, secure environment, free from racism and hatred, has been violated.

"This is especially true in light of the unfortunate connection LSE has had in the past with Islamic extremism.”

Eileen Barker, emeritus professor at LSE and chair of INFORM’s board of governors, told TJ organisation tries to hear as many perspectives as possible and it didn’t necessarily agree with the invited speakers.

In a letter to the Israeli society executive committee, she said: “As the conference was about the dangers of new religions, we asked Mr Choudary as a leader in a movement that is considered by many – not just the LSESU Israel society – to be dangerous.”

Nice post, Charles. It's incredible that folks like Bazian try to play themselves off as moderate.

What the hell is a political intifada anyway? Could he get any more Orwellian?

Charles, have you seen Colt's #52 from the previous thread? It's a pretty interesting photo...

Pat Buchanan and Jesse Jackson in the same sentence? I find this person's grip on reality tenuous at best.

We should e-mail the reporter who wrote this story and send him the verbatim text, with the bolded passages emphasized. It's obvious he was calling for a terrorist campaign in the United States, and the reporter who was duped, either by this scumbag or by his own idiotic biases, should know that.

OT - #7 Raj against the Machine check this article out.

The Michael Moore Conservatives

Wow, I wonder how long it takes him to read his email?

I am so tired of these scumbags lying about what they have said, even after being confronted with the tape recording, I want to puke.

This is inciting to violence and a call for revolution. If one person takes any action based on it, he's toast for consipiracy.

Paging Lizaroid VDH. Please pick up the White Phone and dictate the UC regents some more brilliance using Hatem Banzian as an example of a collegiate faculty out of control.

100,000 Emails? You GO girl! 2 snaps and zig-zag!!!

deliberately incite violence, then claim to be “taken out of context,” paint yourself as the victim, and moan about how your “free speech” is being taken away—as you’re quoted in a newspaper.

Boo-ya! spot on, Charles.

(cut/pasted/filed away for future reference)

I expect the Hatems of the world to spew such bile. I don't expect such Protocols from Adminral Zinni.

Note: Montreal-Lebanese Shipping Tycoon arested for attempting to send night-vision goggles to Hizbullah in Greece

Seems to me that the arab/muslim terror apologists are the ones most likely to be meting out death threats, all under the guise of "freedom of speech."

OT, a UCSD student was coerced into cancelling a showing of the Berg beheading by university administration. He wanted to stir support for the troops. And a representative of the muslim students' association supported this, out of concern for sensitivity for the Berg family--as if his own father hadn't politicized the murder!

[Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]

OT #2: Nice review of Walid Shoebat's talk at UCLA yesterday in the Daily Bruin. I just can't help but wonder whether, if he wasn't now a supporter of Israel, they would have used "militant" instead of terrorist. I love the part in which his critics can't come up with anything more original than labelling him a "racist" and accusing him of "hearsay."

Death threats to a guy who is just asking to be more radical than palestinian terrorists ?
It's a shame...

He wants Americans killed, he should get flowers and candies and maybe a medal.

Maybe Kerry will give him his medals.

#12

"The White phone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers. NO PARKING" said the voice at LAX

oh...ZONE...white ZONE...duh...

#7, well both Jesse Jackson and Buchanan hate Jews, that's why he puts them in the same sentence.

I don't doubt that this individual has recieved a few death threats, however. If somebody calls for a terrorist campaign in the United States, they should be ready to reap the whirlwind. I'm not saying I would have sent him death threats, but I'm not losing sleep over anyone who did. The guy did basically make a veiled death threat against all non-Muslim civilians living in the US.

Have to wonder why these kids all haven't converted to islam yet. Do they really want to live under islamic law? When will they realize they are dupes?

The puke is flowing on this one. And when I get through with the emesis, I going to add this enemy combatant the The List.

@8 bbcrackmonkey

Apparently this reporter did not DO his/her/it's homework before interviewing 'bygosh hatem'
No background work, no reviewing of the original speech.
This reporter isn't biased, just on the other side.

Did anyone seriously expect a fair shake from the Berkkkley Student paper?

Just for grins, what is the source on the transcript? Does someone have this guy on video or audio tape?

The video of Bazian calling for intifada in the US is here:

[Link: users.lmi.net...]

Think about this. You get a death threat. Do you delete it or save it? This guy must have a huge file full of "I'm gonna come cut your head off" letters stored away somewhere.

Right?

#20 teacake

When will they realize they are dupes?

How about never? When the enemy was totalitarian Marxism/communism, the left was duped into being a fellow traveler. They have merely exchanged communism for Islamism without pausing to examine the real agenda of those they support. Why should they, when the real issue is to show how "wised-up" and "progressive" you make common cause with America's enemies? And if these are the same enemies of Western Civiliation, so what? Those pale, boring, dead men of the west lack the dash and panache, that enticing sense of grievance, that motivates the Islamic totalitarians.

Only a true intellectual could be so dumb.

@24 Charles

Thanx Charles.

Best defense is always DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT !!

I want to see more of these blatant and seditious threats to our nation outted.

I thought an "Intafada" was all about death threats and violence. He's getting exactly what he asked for.

You just can't please some people.

On the bright side, at least Hatem didn't pronouce it "In-TEEEH-fadah".

The single "death threat" quoted in the article is actually pretty lame. You'd think off all the "death threats" Hatem has supposedly received there'd be at least one with more quotable content.

Even though I think he's a terrorist supporting, seditious freak, at least I could respect him if he stuck to his guns.

But this attempt to rewrite history and slip the word "political" in front of "intifada" - well, now he's a cowardly, weasely terrorist supporting, seditious freak.

A perfect description of many U.C. Berkeley Islamic/Middle Eastern Studies "professors."

#23

BTW The Daily Planet is not the Cal student paper, it's just an advertiser supported free rag. There's no shortage of Berkeley businesses that agree 100% with this author.

Kinda ironic a Berkeley paper is titled "Daily Planet."

Which planet?
 

BTW Charles:

Amazing post.

The 'Daily Planet' (or the Chronicle, for that matter) is certainly not going to report in any type of honest manner about Bazian and his lying.

Thank you.

#33 William™

Which planet?

I might as well say this before someone else does:

Uranus.

So it's okay for him to call for intifada in this country but he doesn't like it when he receives threats? Typical hypocrisy.

this schmuck was recently on O'Reilley's show. unfortunately old Bill reserves his research and enthusiams for exposing "risque music videos" and pimping his tote bags.

the guy was lying thru his teeth and Bill cd not have cared less.

Hatem also claimed on O'Reilly that the video footage in question was edited so as to, um, ah, make his comment appear out of context.

[Link: www.campus-watch.org...]

BAZIAN: I—yes. And I—once again, that has to be put into context. I was calling for a political intifada similar to the statements of calling for regime change, political activism. And if people have listened to all the speech, which I think—agreed I—the people who took the quote out, did a masterful job of editing my talk to indicate as if I'm calling for violence in the United States, which is far from what I had been engaged in.

He also dances around O'Reilly's questions about violence and terrorism. It's a common tactic for these folks: To claim that they themselves would never be violent, of course, but to leave the door open for anyone else to be. That's why he won't explicitly condemn Hamas and Hizbullah.

O'REILLY: But no violence. You don't want anybody to use violence?

BAZIAN: No. I've been activist for the past 20 years or so. And I have never engaged in any violence. And non violence is the method that I choose for political change.

O'REILLY: OK. Therefore, I assume then you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?

BAZIAN: Well, I condemn the targeting of civilians in any situation. I think relations to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you have the Hatfields and McCoys getting at each other. And I think it will behoove us here in the United States not to aid or encourage either side to engage in violence.

O'REILLY: OK. But we did a very exhaustive search on you, professor. And we've never seen you say that you condemn the violent methods of Hamas and Hezbollah ever.

BAZIAN: Well, yes, if you want me to speak about the violence that has taken place, I just spoke to you, telling you that violence is unacceptable.

O'REILLY: OK, but you yourself have not come out and condemned it. I think if every responsible Muslim person in this country—and you're certainly in a position of leadership at U.C.-Berkeley—did condemned Hamas and Hezbollah, it would be a lot more difficult for those people to operate, wouldn't you agree?

BAZIAN: Well, I think it's—in here, once again, it's very contextual in the sense that every time a Palestinian appears or a Muslim appears, it seems that there is an electronic attempt to try to silence them by you know putting this—that they have to condemn this and this. And I think it's far more contextual to try to address the fundamental issue between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

O'REILLY: Well the fundamental issue is absolutely—has to be addressed. And we want to hear that, but I think that are you're wrong in saying—we want people to condemn terrorism and that, Hamas...

BAZIAN: I condemn terrorism throughout. But at the same time, I would like people here in the U.S. to begin condemning the Israeli assassinations.

O'REILLY: All right. Well, they're going to condemn them based upon what they feel is right or wrong. Now if you condemn terrorism, sir, then you would have to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah, because they are terrorist groups designated so by the United Nations.

BAZIAN: Once again, I'm telling you, I condemn all acts of violence that were targeted at civilians, regardless of who does it. Once again, always to try to put the Palestinians as the testing ground is completely rejected. And I accept it.

Sheesh.

I'm sure people will say, "there goes that 'odious Neanderthal' Charles Johnson again." Well "odious" might be deserved if Charles were the professor in the article calling for the infitada. And "Neanderthal" would be deserved if Charles were the reporter uncritically transcribing everything the infitada-caller said. The reason people slander Charles Johnson is obvious. They justifiably find what they read in the articles he posts odious. But since their political pre-dispositions won't permit them to attack the source of the odium, they're forced to lash out at the person who calls their attention to it.

This why the LLL and their fellow travelers get so pissy about the Protest Warriors, etc. because they don't want anyone who disagrees with them documenting their public protests. God forbid anyone challenge them with, ya know, facts and stuff.

The “death threat” claim is a favorite tactic of the whining far left—it makes them look courageous and noble, standing up to the evil right-wingers and their death threats. It’s the easiest claim in the world to make, and people like this Daily Planet reporter invariably accept it without a word of skepticism.

That perfectly sums them up.

Apparently, Schiller has the death-threat beat at this paper.

That, or Berkley just has a lot of death threats.

Telephone Bomb Threat Follows Campus Debate
By JAKOB SCHILLER (10-07-03)

Berkeley Police officers escorted Alison Weir, founder of If Americans Knew, into her organization’s South Berkeley office Monday afternoon, three days after a voicemail threat warning her to stay away from her office at 2 p.m. Monday or risk losing her life.
Weir was one of four panelists who spoke during a debate Thursday on the UC Berkeley campus where participants presented contrasting views of the Israeli/Palestinean crisis—with Weir as a representative of the Palestinian perspective.

She said If Americans Knew was created to inform and educate the American public about issues she says are unreported, underreported, or misreported in the American media.

The anonymous caller claimed to have attended the campus debate and expressed outrage at Weir, who he claimed was helping to “destroy Israel.” The voice on the message—which she replayed for reporters—sounded young, American, and intense, with long heavy breaths in between words.

“Hi. I heard your speech today in UC Berkeley; the debate. And I’m telling you this right now. On Monday, at 2 p.m., you better not be in your office. Because me and my buddies, who were trained in the Israeli Army, will come and kill every single one of you sons-of-bitches for what you are doing to destroy Israel. So watch out, this is not a joke. On Monday you better watch out. Don’t come to work. And close your organization or you’re going to die,” the message said.

[Link: madison.indymedia.org...]

A few weeks ago I found myself shopping in a nice store in downtown Northampton, MA, home of Smith College. My wife picked up a videotape offered for sale, co-produced by one of her former professors, claiming to be about the "truth about the Middle East and how the media reports it." As we started to examine it, the old hippies who ran the store ran up to us and started to laud the message in the tape and how it tells the truth, despite the attempts at "surpression." Then we realized the premise of the tape - that the media is manipulated to only show the Israeli side of Pali terror and somehow surpresses the Israeli responses and their persecution of the poor palis, who were just sittin' around, doin' nuthin,' pickin' olives, goin' out for cigarettes, etc...

As anyone who frequents this website (or who has half a brain) can tell from the incredible bias of AP, Reuters, BBC, CBC, Peter Jennings et al., nothing could be further from the truth. Yet, these lefties are convinced that they're being surpressed or persecuted somehow, and that their "message" is being squashed by some sinister conspiracy.

First posting here,been reading for awhile...

This reminds me of something I heard on NPR several weeks ago when Israel killed the new Hamas (or was Hezbola) leader. A Palistinian apologist was saying Israel claims he was calling for the death of Israel but that was only political talk. He had to say that to get attention but you (the U.S. listeners) must not believe those words.

That's not an exact quote but is very close. How stupid do these people think we are?

Joe

Anti-free speech at Berkeley??

A petition was circulated at UC Berkeley Law School - Boalt Hall recently demanding that Prof. Yoo either resign immediately or officially recant his position on the application of the Geneva convention to Gitmo prisoners or other captured terrorists. There was an accompanying protest involving many faculty and something like 1/4 of the law students.

Apparently, if you disagree with the "clearly correct" PC leftie opinion, you will be forced to recant your position or forced to resign. Wow.

And the Berkeley Planet doesn't think this is an issue of "acedemic freedom".

Academic freedom protects viewpoints; it does not amount to immunity for immoral or illegal actions. If a professor commits a crime or behaves in a morally reprehensible way, the community has the right to demand accountability. If, as we believe, Professor Yoo’s actions amount to aiding and abetting war crimes, that absolutely demands accountability.

A long time ago, when Reagan brought morning to America and I drank Toothsheaf stout by the litre, I used to receive death threats, too. I was the token conservative columnist on the state u. campus newspaper. I used to receive photos of incinerated corpses from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with promises that it would happen to me, too. I was told how good I'd look with a Soviet jackboot on my head. I was told how hard it was for someone to grow up with different opinions in smalltown America. I tried to tie these pieces together into something coherent, but just ended up stacking them up in a pile.

One day it dawned on me that only one of the campus loonies knew where I lived, and I gave the letters to the local police along with a recommendation they pay this fine young man a visit. I stopped getting these lovely letters after that, although I often wished I had them back so I could publish them as "Letters from Peace-Loving Liberals."

Bazian’s tactics are straight out of the radical Islam, pro-terror playbook; deliberately incite violence, then claim to be “taken out of context,” paint yourself as the victim, and moan about how your “free speech” is being taken away—as you’re quoted in a newspaper.

No more phone calls please! We have the rhetorical equivalent of a grand slam!

I am sure he is taking those death threats the wrong way...when someone says they are going to cut his head off ...well thats just a saying...they are being taken out of context by hatem.

And when is a death threat not really a death threat? Why, when it's delivered by a paleostinian terrorist. Seems Madge now states that she has cancelled her Israel tour not because of the death threats she received by those nice paleostinian freedom fighters, but because of Israeli policy.

It's okay when a lefty blames the victim.

Perry White must be spinning in his grave.

Perry White must be spinning in his grave.

Great Caesar's ghost!

The article is full of whoppers like this; Bazian actually claims that the pro-Palestinian side is being “silenced” in mass media:

He's not wrong, the pro-Palestinian side is being "silenced," or more accurately, doesn't exist. There's plenty of air time and attention given to the anti-Israel side, but you'd be hard-pressed to find an organization that cares enough about Palestinians to actually be considered "Pro-Palestinian." I for one am still waiting for the "pro-Palestinian" group to address a single Palestinian issue outside of Israel (refugee camps in Lebanon/ Syria, expulsion from Kuwait, lack of travel visas to Arab countries given to Palestinians, just to name a few) or to even do something about the PA gangs controlling the areas.

Even in the rare occurence that such a group does exist, they're rewarded with a cut in funding.

mommydoc (#48),

Seems Madge now states ...

You're so funny. The ever so subtle put down.

And I would have to believe that people in high places take death threats from terrorist groups rather seriously now a days and some people asked her to show the nonexistent evidence.

It sounds like the "death threats" against her and her children is total BS.

Pathetic lying publicity whore comes to mind for me, not "Madge".

Political Intifadeh makes as much sense as introspective Jihad. He's copping out because things are getting hot. The dude smells a Smith Act prosecution about to fall on him.

There are, however, 250 Berkeley nutjobs calling for the resignation of Professor James Yoo because he wrote a memo for the DoJ concluding that al Qaeda terrorists and Taliban militia do not fall under the protection offered soldiers and civilians by the Geneva conventions.

Pro-Information here, LLL opinion here and here.

Is this guy a US citizen? If so, he needs to have his citizenship stripped for advocating the overthrow of the government by force and violence.

If he is not a citizen, he needs to be shipped to Gitmo.

Either way, if he says he wants an "intefada" = terrorism, BELIEVE HIM.

Why, by the way, is the University of California Beserkley STILL getting federal funding? Let them be anti-american without MY tax dollars.

#42 Darwin Akbar:

As anyone who frequents this website (or who has half a brain) can tell from the incredible bias of AP, Reuters, BBC, CBC, Peter Jennings et al., nothing could be further from the truth. Yet, these lefties are convinced that they're being surpressed or persecuted somehow, and that their "message" is being squashed by some sinister conspiracy.

I run into so many of those same Lefties. Their persecution complex is an inherent part of their worldview: to question it would threaten the foundations of their self-image. Hence why so many Lefties seem to have devolved, if not remained inert, from the political stance of their youth.

Most of us at least alter our politics after we get out of school, make a living, raise families, etc. Reality can't help but get in. However, the Left, even when they are routinely pandered to, will invent an environment of suppression.

Hi, Geepers! Yup, that's me, subtle as a blow torch :-)

Almost wrapped up with the moving thing (God, I hate moving) and on my way to Santa Fe tomorrow for a little feliz cumpleanos a mi.

"Intifada" = non violent politcal change
and
"jihad" = internal personal struggle against sin.

Riiight.

"Breaking my foot off in your traitorous ass"= a difference in opinion.

#57 mommydoc

A preemptive happy birthday from me.

If he didn't intend to refer to a political intifada, why did he make the remarks about changing the political dynamic in the country? If he really intended to incite violence, he probably would have just said "change the dynamic." Then, he goes on O'Reilly and clarifies is remarks in a pretty tame interview- he's against violence.

#56 - Sharona - it's also evident that those who stay in these bucolic, insulated college towns (i.e, Northampton, Berkeley, Madison, etc.), unable or unwilling to outgrow their early influences, are able to cling to their outmoded world views despite all evidence to the contrary. The nostalgia of these aged baby boomers (and I am one) for the "good fight" against Vietnam and Nixon gets juxtaposed upon Iraq and Bush/Sharon, and those who weren't there in the "good old days; just follow along because they think that they should be "against the war and the oppressers."

Mommydoc- good to hear from you. I saw that story on Madonna, too, complete with the gratuitous slur against Israel. The part I like, though, is that she says "her manager won't let her" tour in Israel, so as to avoid having to take responsibility for her cowardly actions or refusal to make the threats against her public (as that might make the Pali thugs look like bad guys).

And as for Madonna's interest in Kaballah - haven't we Jews suffered enough?

Darwin Akbar (#61)

The part I like, though, is that she says "her manager won't let her" tour in Israel ...

Somehow Madonna doesn't stike me as someone who allows others to make decisions for her.

And as for Madonna's interest in Kaballah - haven't we Jews suffered enough?

LOL!

The article is full of whoppers like this; Bazian actually claims that the pro-Palestinian side is being “silenced” in mass media:

Actually he may have a point there. Some of the media is starting to do things like verifying details and checking with the Israelis for their side before accepting Palestinian statements at face value as the pure pronouncements of the blessed oppressed noble savages. It's rare, but it is happening.

Just yesterday I was picking up my car (ran over a nail, got a flat) and out of a clear blue sky (well actually it was raining) my mechanic commented that he heard "this Pali guy" talking about the shooting of Palestinian children by Israelis and what he wanted to know was, "if they care so damn much about their kids, why do teach them to run outside and throw stones at tanks, put bombs in ambulances, and hide terrorists in hospitals and Muslim churches? I mean how stupid is that?"

I think some of the world is beginning to catch on.

And as for Madonna's interest in Kaballah - haven't we Jews suffered enough?

I do often find myself wishing she'd take some other religion. (rolling eyes)

When I was still in college at CUNY, my campus was bitterly anti-Israel.

Every campus newspaper interview, including those on topics which had nothing WHATSOEVER to do with Israel, included questions at the end like, "And what would you say to the Israeli aggressors..." "And what is your opinion of the Israeli occupation," etc.

And since the "editors" were careful to choose interviewees who agreed with their views, the answers were always sanctimonious.

Regarding claims of death threats: Once anti-Semitic professor, Dr. Leonard Jeffries, gave a speech at my campus, where he spewed lies about the midrashim and Talmud, blasted anyone who'd ever dared to confront him on his racism, and blamed all the world's evil on "Jewish Hollywood, with their partners the Mafia."

Then he announced that certain factions wanted to keep this information secret, so they were always leaving him death threats. To a chorus of gasps, he announced, "THEY EVEN THREATENED MY POOR MOMMA." Of course the "they" were "the Jews."

But what was interesting to me was how he went on to compare himself to "Malcolm and Martin."

Also, we were all searched before admission, and no recording devices of any kind were permitted. Wouldn't want the racist to be confronted with evidence of his own hatred.

OK, I confess.

I sent precisely 99,750 emails to Bazian. Each one was unique and sent using a unique alias. You wouldn't believe what a pain it is to have to set up 99,750 hotmail accounts - 18,000 of them on the first day alone.

DBerg, LOL!

So Hatem got hatemail? How appropriate!

Here's a lengthy but good essay on the level of anti-semitism on the Berkeley campus at the moment:

Berkeley Intifada

Beyond Double Standards

The fact that he was allowed to say what he did, yet be excused by the college president is way beyond a double standard. He was advocating that people rise up and start a war in the US against the US.

I support Free Speech. However, I'm getting pretty sick of hearing about scumbags like this professor getting away with saying what they like because his group is considered one of the groups to be protected.

Free speech for everyone. No more double standards.

Can you imagine if there was a professor, who was Jewish, advocating we rise up and kill Muslims? That professor would be tossed out on his rear end. Same would happen if the professor were Christian.

Look at all the grief Horowitz gets when he advocates for political diversity among colleges. If he were advocating for increased 'hate speech guidelines' that would further erode our free speech, he'd be welcomed with open arms at the colleges. (As long as the guidelines were to muzzle non-Leftist speakers.)

Never forget. Never submit. Never quit until the job is done. .- An Angry American

#42 Darwin, #56 sharona

You may be right about the persecution complex with regards to folks who seem to think the media leans right, but I've always thought that instead of a willfull blindness on their part, they do in fact see what the media presents but they are sooo far left, that it looks right-leaning to them. Many of them probably read Marx and think, "Right-wing extremist."

Example, calling the disputed territories the "occupied" territories is not neutral but taking the Pali side as it assumes Pali ownership of the lands in order for them to be occupied by Israel. However since the lands are not called Palestine, in their worldview it is biased towards Israel. Unbelieveable really.

Just yesterday I was picking up my car

Note to self, don't mess with Judith. ;-)

mommydoc, have fun!

Palestinians are marginal because there is no such thing as a Palestinian, or country of Palestine. Last time I looked on a map it said ISRAEL. Try reading a book sometime Mr. Bazian.

Look hard -- this is the face of the Left.

If such as Mr. Bazian need to whine for protection to the authorities and the media, it only shows how America is wising up to their Fascist tricks. Abu Ghraib may not have been such a bad thing after all...?

Double Messages In The Mosque

Even I, the technophobe, know that he can't possibly have received that many emails. I have worked in academe my entire adult life and, even at such glorious places as MIT, nobody gets enough space on the server to receive a 10th as much mail as he claims to have gotten. Shoot, I used to get nasty notes from the Administratve Mail Police if I had more than 350 emails saved. And my email messages tended to be short.

Hatem is a Michael Moore acolyte, for sure.

All I can say is this.

With a little luck. that reporter from the Daily Planet was none other than Clark Kent... scouting out his enemies before changing into SUPERMAN! Defender of the American Way!

How I long for that kind of simple ethic.

And, of course, nothing will happen to Hatem Bazian, despite all those "threats."

Maybe they are from Sheherezad and we can them "A Hundred Thousand and One Arabian Nights."

(Ok, for you engineering majors, "A Thousand and One Arabian Nights" was a collection of tales told by a young harem girl, Sheherezad, to a Muslim ruler to distract him from his just and holy business of murdering her.)

Bazian’s tactics are straight out of the radical Islam, pro-terror playbook; deliberately incite violence, then claim to be “taken out of context,” paint yourself as the victim, and moan about how your “free speech” is being taken away—as you’re quoted in a newspaper.

Actually his tactics are straight out of any radical playbook. But here, in Orange County [bigoted word] students at UCI did the same thing, just last week. For years, these FOREIGN bastards have been chasing AMERICAN Jewish students around the campus and muttering insults, until the Jewish students threatened to sue the deans.

Now CBS put them on the local evening news because their mock "wall" was burned. (I wonder who actually burned it?)

#42 Darwin Akbar

Noho is "Cambridge in the Woods".
Were you just visiting our fair yet looney state?
Someday this country will produce an artsy/resort destination NOT created and staffed by moonbats
Even Park City in UT is like that. *sigh*

More of the same dreck

Israelis better at manipulating media

If only they were.

Can a group of us gather in Berkeley and take pictures at these events...saying that we want to give the shots to the FBI?

Are we too scared to do that?

How about getting a squad together to rip down all anti-war posters on public property in Berkely and SF? That is not illegal. And it is not dangerous. It just needs to be done.

#67 DBerg

Admit it! You are the entire conservative party in Canada!

;-)

#48 mommydoc

My friend bought two tickets for him and his wife to see Madonna this weekend at the MGM Grand in Las vegas out of appreciation for her doing shows in SIrael. Then she cancels the Israel tour and he has to see her show otherwise forfeit $200 worth of tickets.

mommydoc

Happy birthday and good luck with the move. Moving is the absolute pits!

papijoe-

Almost always those visitors felt afterwards that what they saw did not correspond with the image of Palestine they had before.

This quote from the article got me thinking about an experience some LLL family members had. They were taken to israel in two batches and stayed with Palestinian families. During the night of one of their stays, there was a commotion outside, the sound of car tires screeching and a woman screaming and male leering voices. Their host refused to let them look out the wondow or go outside claiming it was armed men. Later a sobbing woman burst in to report her daughter had just been raped by Jewish settlers. She then saw the visiting LLL sympathisers and begged them to say nothing lest her daughter's loss of honor resulted in her being unable to marry, with much dramatic fussing about her heart break and the horror of the occupation. Another family member made the same trip a few weeks later and the same thing happened again!

I sat there dumbfounded as they exchanged the details of the "rape" they had sort of been witnesses to and marveled at how common place and eerily similar such rapes by these Jewish settlers were. It was obviously well organised!

I burst out laughing and said it was obviously a staged show for the visiting tourists, like the shooting of Black Bart each day at 4:00 pm on "Main Street" at Frontier Town. They thought I was horribly insensitive.

Yup the reality these visiting tourists are presented with is indeed very different from what their previous understanding corresponded to. No bloody wonder!

Judith;
how come those ppl didnt realize when they compared stories?

#57 mommydoc

Don't miss all the free advice on Charles' moving thread

&iexcl:Feliz cumpleaños!

NY Nana and I were looking for this for zulubaby's b-day.
I finally found it!

Las Mañanitas

Here are the lyrics. I hope zulubaby doesn't mind my recycling her birthday post

how come those ppl didnt realize when they compared stories?

Hm. Ex husband number 2's family. Might have something to do with why he is my ex.

Ok. Hatem is just getting stupider and stupider. First it's a "political intifada" whatever that means. If he wants a regime change why doesn't he just call for a regime change? Why does he have to use the word "intifada"? When the two intifadas are characterized by disobedience, violence, enticement, and TERRORISM, don't you think that he would need a better word in order to convey his message of a peaceful regime change?

Even if he said, something like a political jihad...that would still carry on a lot of violent connotations. The only peaceful jihad in Islam is an inner one. There is no such thing as peaceful outward jihad no matter what prefix you add to it.

And the fact that he compared the desired American intifada to the one in Iraq and so-called Palestine which are primarily violent and not peaceful in any way you try to spin it AND how he wants the American intifada to be more RADICAL, you would think he's calling for an violent uprising.

But alas my lizard brethren, we have been duped the odious Jooo and watched the edited video of Hatem's speech which puts it out of context. He clearly meant a political intifada which is peaceful just like 7th century Islam. Disregard all of the other stuff that points to his intifada being a violent one. The crafty Jew added that stuff in. A good Muslim would never say anything like that. Never.

Seriously though, Hatem could save some face if he admitted that he did say that but got carried away and that he doesn't want a violent uprising in America. I'm sure his other speeches would incriminate his sincerity, but it's a lot better than saying the video was edited and that he clearly meant a political intifada. He didn't say directly from that speech that he wanted violence, but by using the word "intifada" he uses the default meaning of the word, not the Clintonian meaning. The default meaning carries the idea of it being a violent regime change or complete destruction of the current regime, not a reformation.

Really good point Charles, 100,000 emails...60 seconds per email...figuring 7.5 hours per day... means 7 months. Wait, there are no weekends off with that.

Take weekends off, and you need 10 months to read 100,000 emails.

Egyptian daily Al Wafd has gone all out in the anti-American stakes. The paper now regularly features a front-page cartoon of Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and co. calling for “the trial of Bush and his gang” as well as prominently-placed versions of those Iraq abuse pics, with captions such as “These are occupiers and rapists—get out of Iraq immediately.”

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British Pickle

Why bother with death threats against brain dead left wing professors who would make more of a contribution to society if they became garbage collectors?

Mind you, when democracy and freedom are threatened by such people, you can understand that ordinary people, you know, workers rather than intellectual imperialists like the good professor, take offence.

"... doesn’t tow the line will have to suffer a systematic smear tactic..."

It's TOE dammitt! TOE!!

What did he call for?

"Well, we’ve been watching intifada in Palestine, we’ve been watching an uprising in Iraq, and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don’t have an intifada in this country?"
In other words, the intifada he is calling for is similar to the intifada in Palestine and the uprising in Iraq. Both of those involve a considerable amount of violence, including murders and massacres, and that is what he has called for.

"They’re gonna say some Palestinian being too radical — well, you haven’t seen radicalism yet!”
He called for surpassing the most radical Palestinian in radicalism -- he means extremism. And that means he is calling for terrorism.

Freedom of speech does not include yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. And in these dangerous times where a global jihad movement is trying to bring down the US and western civilization, it should not include incitement to radical intifada here.

Is he an immigrant or visitor here? Has he violated anything concerning his admission into this country? Perhaps he can be deported if it can be shown that he is in violation. From a practical point of view in fighting the war on terror, he should not be allowed to continue what he has been doing. He should not have the privilege of using our benevolent generous tolerant system for the purpose of bringing down our country. We are engaged in a war that was forced upon us. So wartime standards should be applied to this case.

If Hate'm Brazen really got 100,000 emails, I am very proud of my fellow Americans. I think he should hear from us more. It appears, though that Hate'm Brazen is fond of the idea of being watched:

Hatem Bazian started his speech with a pragmatic gibe. Of all that had been taught throughout the weekend, he said, "you won't remember any more than the three or four main points -- unless you're part of the ADL, which is recording everything we say." Laughter erupted in the hall.

This is from his speech at UC Berkeley-hosted Islamic hate fest reported on fourth page of that very excellent Berkeley Intifada story. If you haven't done it yet, read it to the end.

EE

Is he an immigrant or visitor here?

As far as I remember he's a refugee.

Note Hatem's anti Jewish slur from the article linked by #96:

"At a rally on campus protesting the arrests, Palestinian-born Islamic Studies lecturer Hatem Bazian spoke stirringly. Cal's administration, he reportedly told the crowd, was under pressure to punish the demonstrators. As for the source of that pressure, Micki Weinberg recalls Bazian telling his listeners that the answer lay in the names of UC Berkeley's buildings. Zellerbach, Bazian offered pointedly. And Haas. And Moses.

Standing in the crowd, Weinberg fumed. Rising around them, after all, were the campus's other hundred or so buildings, with names anything but Jewish -- names such as Hearst, Barrows, Evans, Campbell, Tang, Giannini, Latimer, O'Brien, McCone, Etcheverry, Sproul, Warren, Morrison, Stephens, Edwards, Chavez, and King.

"I yelled out, 'That's anti-Semitic!'" he recalled. "But he just repeated what he had said. The crowd was cheering."

#94  grammarnazi  5/26/2004 05:20PM

Well said.

#83 papijoe

LOL. Actually there was quite a diverse group of us doing door-to-door canvassing today: a few local small businessmen, and a bunch of anti-idiotarian highschoolers. (not kidding.) Plus, the candidate himself, Jordan Katz - chef by day, neocon lizardoid by night!

It's TOE dammitt! TOE!!

If I didn't know better, I'd think that evariste had snuck back momentarily. And only he would appreciate why I'd think so.

Well let me open by saying that this professor sounds like a crackpot. But also state that while i don't respect this follow he does have my attention cause i like to be able to see whats coming at me. Personally I think he should be procscuted for inciting violence should any violenct arise. However I know this will never happen because he will claim the "lone wolf defense" should anything happen. THe lone wolf defense is that the person acting was acting of there own volition and you had no idea your speech which hinted at violence would cause violence since you always made it know that you don't advocate violence but you think violence would be cool.

Be an american and a strong believer in the american justice system i would like to believe against better judgement that this crackpot which managed to somewhow get a job at berkley will be arrested and held accountable for his actions in an american court of law. Though recognizing the lone wolf and first admendments his defense attourneys would bring up I doubt this would happen. so in lieu of the american court sysyem I can only hope that this crackpot has the urge to go the middle east and is captured by the IDF and faces charges there.

#60 Meg
Didn't the terrorist massacre in Spain right before the election there change the political dynamic in that country?

The fact that Hatem compared the intifada that he wanted to produce to the intifada in Palestine and Iraq, and that he referred to the most radical of Palestinians and said that he wanted to go beyond that, is indicative of the kind of violence that he has in mind.

The methods that incited were violent; the end that he wanted was political.

Isn't the shariatization of a country a political change? And isn't jihad, as it is normally understood, a violent and even a terroristic method?

He is calling for a political change using violent means.

Isn't that what revolution is all about, political change by violent means?

You shouldn't confuse ends and means -- they are not necessarily the same.

Hatem was calling for an intifada as in Palestine and Iraq, done by people more radical than the most radical Palestinians (read his statement to see this) -- in other words he was calling for violence.

Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

I'd just like to make a few final comments here:

Just for the record: I did not send any of those death threats to Bazian (if indeed he really did get death threats); in fact, I've never emailed him, called him, or communicated with him in any way. And I don't approve of death threats (or any other kind of physical threats).

Furthermore, I did NOT edit the video I took of his speech. I merely pressed the "Play" button on my camera, and let it run until I reached the maximum file size (because I was using a still camera, not a video camera, it has a maximum movieclip length of somewhere bewteen 60 and 180 seconds, depending on what the resolution setting is). I then took the clips raw and unedited and put them online. That's it. (Besides which, as some of you here know, I'm pretty much of a techno-idiot and would have no idea how to tamper with video -- I certainly don't have any software capable of that). Anyway, just watch the video yourself -- it's obviously not edited. Of course, it IS true that I didn't record his entire speech, for two reasons: it was long and rambling; and my camera's battery ran out of juice.

In Bazian's defense (of a sort): what I do remember of the rest of his speech was a lot of rambling about politics and corporations, and how McDonald's makes you fat, and on and on -- the usual claptrap. So, in a certain sense, I took his comments "out of context," since the context was a long meandering speech on a hundred different topics. Of course, every single statement by everyone in the history of newsmaking is just a "soundbite," a portion of a speech, etc. That's what news is: the important parts. What am I supposed to do: have a live 24-hour-a-day WebCam on Bazian to catch his every thought and utterance, so nothing gets "taken out of context"? Sheesh. Look: he said what he said into a microphone in front of thousands of people (including several other reporters with recording devices), in a public place. He knows he said it.

But here's something important: Though he is a Muslim, Bazian is not an Islamic extremist. His call for "intifada" actually has little to do with Islam. Instead, Hatem is a self-professed Marxist. A flat-out, unapologetic Marxist. So yes, in his mind perhaps he did think of his call for intifada in "political" terms, the way the 1917 Russian Revolution was a "political intifada." From my understanding of his mindset and politics, he was not talking about an Islamic overthrow of the US -- he was calling for a Communist overthrow of the US. So, it really does qualify as a political intifada.

And lastly, the bit about the emails. All I can say is: Ha! Aside from the (already noted) fact that it would take months to read them all (and weeks just to simply scan the subject lines), there is this salient point: Can anybody here name an email program that can handle 100,000 messages? My email program (a standard one that you've all heard of) starts getting grumpy if I have over 600 messages stored up; and it gives me "running low on memory" warnings if I let 1,000 accumulate. But -- 18,000 in one day? Give me a break. No email application could even begin to handle that many. And 100,000 total? Forget about it. That's like the kind of ridiculous exaggeration an eight-year-old boy would make: "I saw a million squirrels in the park!"

Hatem is simply reveling in all the attention he's getting. He's never been happier in his life. And now with "I've gotten death threats from Zionists!" on his resume, he's guaranteed a place in the pantheon of heroic leftist intellectuals.

Anyway, sorry for the long post.

Didn't Kathryn Cramer also claim she was getting "Death Threats" from Charles' minions at LGF?

I'm still waiting for the internet police to come arrest me because I dared disagree with her... er, I mean because I sent "Hate Spam" in a "Denial of Service" attack. If any of the rest of you have been caught yet, maybe you could recommend a good bondsman?

zombie

Can anybody here name an email program that can handle 100,000 messages?

UC Berkeley faculty and students have some sort of unlimited memory email accounts.

This is OT, but a good antidote to Berkeley Daily Planet. This weeks' cover story of East Bay Express is a great critique of the kind of cartoonish understanding of race relations UCB seems to promote.

So, we have to assume that the actions of the Soviet Union, their missles and mercenaries, were part of a "political" solution to stamp out capitalism through rape, murder, and intimidation? I'm sorry, that's garbage, as much as anything calling itself "intifada" while attempting to replace the legitimate government and culture of the United States is legitimately the target of deadly force.
Thank G-d I live in a place where the constitution still authorizes citizens' use of deadly force in defense of the State.