But if we could only seek to understand their desires, and what we can do to make ourselves more understanding, the world would be a much better place.

Wouldn't it?

Damned oil... I'd be happy to let them keep the place.

“The [other] mujahideen successfully withdrew from the site, despite the strict security measures [by the authorities], toward safety,” said the message.

How the hell did that happen? Are the KSA security services that bad, or do they share the same beliefs as the terrorists?

Hey Colt - What's this I hear about you and Zulubaby?

Engineer,

Are you going to give Colt a rough time on his birthday?

Just wanted to remind everyone that today is Memorial Day; the day we recognize and thank the millions of Americans who served their nation and the cause of freedom throughout the generations.
Thank you.
God Bless America.

[Engineer]

It's a tough call - is an Arab police force incompetent, or did some sympathise with the terrorists? Probably a combination.

What's this I hear about you and Zulubaby?

News to me - what did you hear?

The Arabian Peninsula should be cleansed, from Islamofacist presence. All the places where Muhammed massacred Jews should be returned to the rightful owners. Let the death cultusts slaughter each other in their pagan black bloody block in Mecca.

It is not my birthday.

“The [other] mujahideen successfully withdrew from the site...toward safety,”

So, that would be in the direction of the KSA "Security Forces?"

Anyway, I'm all in favor of cleansing the Arabian Peninsula. And you know what's really dirty? Oil. Let's get it all out of there, and then their perfectly pristine peninsula will be all shiny and bright. The thought makes my heart glow.

#7 Colt

News to me - what did you hear?

That she was interested when we thought you were having a birthday. - figured it was because you would then be legal:-)

Colt-LOL! It's not?

#1 But if we could only seek to understand their desires, and what we can do to make ourselves more understanding, the world would be a much better place.

That's right. And let's not forget that it's only a microscopic minority doing that's ruining it for the rest of us.

ululululullululululullulululullululululu!

#11 [Engineer]

LOL! Sounds good ;-)

#12 Judith

{Sigh} No. It's an old LGF joke. There was a period of about a week after my last birthday, where people continusouly wished me a happy birthday.

#9 Colt It is NOW!!!
and what about this rumor of you and zulubaby? What about the rumor about ME and zulubaby, huh?

BTW, for all those interested, I've been legal for months now :-)

I'm on the Daniel Pipes mailing list, and I got one yesterday entitled "Support the Lesser Evil [in Saudi Arabia]". IOW, Pipes believes (with very little enthusiasm) that we need to support the Saudis against AQ because an AQ takeover would make things even worse than they already are in SA (if that's imaginable).

"Who prevails decides whether Saudi Arabia remains a monarchy that to some extent bends to the imperatives of modern life, or becomes an Islamic emirate reminiscent of the Taliban's rule in Afghanistan.

For Western states, the choice is an unhappy one, between the Saudi monarchy with all its faults and the still worse Ikhwan alternative. The policy options are thus limited to helping the monarchy defeat the even more radical threat while pressuring it to make improvements in a range of areas, from financial corruption to funding militant Islamic organisations worldwide."

#15 realwest

Hey, step off, dude. She's taken :-)

How're you doing?

Ethnic cleansing, right? I am waiting for the horrified clamour from our progressist media, which prides itself sooo much on fighting intolerance.
...
still nothing?
...
Shit, my hearing aid must be fucked.

Colt, just accept it, it is ALWAYS your birthday.

#20 Renna

Fine. In which case, I want presents.

Colt - A very happy un-Birthday, to You

Mcgyver, out

Congratulation for ZeBabe, Colt.
Though I had not realised so far that LGF was in fact an Internet dating service. I thought it was about geopolitics. What a strange world we re living in!

Hahaha! Just kidding. ;-)

#15 realwest

What about the rumor about ME and zulubaby, huh?

Stay away - I am the dirty old man chasing Zulubaby.

#18 Colt - she's taken? Whoa dude, better duck and run for cover!!
I'm doing ok; four broken ribs, one punctured lung, one "severely scratched" lung and a partridige in a pear tree!!!
I am getting better SLOWLY but surely. Now it only hurts when I breathe.
Happy Birthday!!

These true believing 'Mujahideen" are following the instruction of the Demon Possessed Pedophile Prophet of Islam™
---"Piss be upon him"

Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said during his final illness, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia.”

Ishaq:364 “Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate.”

Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)

Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)

Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)

"For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)

Sura 8:67 “It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

“I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah” (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196)

You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) (Hadith, 4363)

“No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel).”(Hadith vol. 9:50)

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Hadith Sahih 4366)

Islam "Religion of Peace"™

#23 David 'Parisian Insider'

Though I had not realised so far that LGF was in fact an Internet dating service.

Dating? Who said anything about dating? ;-)

#25 realwest

How did you manage that?

Now it only hurts when I breathe.

Well, duh, don't breathe :-)

#26 fc - A bit different from "Love thy enemy," isn't it?

#24 [Engineer] I am NOT dirty.

Besides, I couldn't chase anything for any reason whatsoever now. sigh.
shit.

#17 Hershel

I generally agree with Pipes but in this case I think the story is different.

The Saudi regime is in full cahoots with AQ and all these attacks are staged to take the heat off of Saudi Arabia for their incitement and support of terrorists worldwide. Notice how 3 out of 4 of the terrorists conveniently got away.

It doesn't hurt them that this will drive oil prices way up. The spiral continues where they get more money from higher prices to lavish more largesse on the AQ network right here in the USA.

The environmentalist maniacs that force our dependency on the Saudis by not allowing nuclear energy and drilling in Alaska are feeding us to our enemies.

We should break our dependency on the Saudis and then put extreme pressure on them to end support for terrorists. This would stop the problem at the root.

#28 Colt - I had help. If you rally want to know (it's a boring story) send me an e-mail.
See, I was defending this damsel in distress from eleventymillion bad guys and...

The Al-qaida statement is nonetheless interesting on several levels:

1. They want to ethnically clense Jews and Christians ("infidels") from the Arabian Penninsula - so it is NOT about Jews "occupying" Judea and Samaria. Good to know.

2. They boast about "mujahadeen" escaping - not fighting to the death going to paradise? An error, or are they having trouble keeping up the morale of the rank and file?

3. The fact that they were able to penetrate the compound so easily, stay as long as they did and then escape points to corruption/collusion in the Saudi armed forces and police - or - sympathy and support for al-qaida among that same armed forces and police. Since the same minister in charge of Saudi internal security is also in charge of the religious police there, this is perhaps the most worrisome sign.

4. They may be worried about losing support among their fellow muslims if they continue to kill muslims - note how much emphasis they placed on sorting out muslims from others. They used to be (IMHO) much less concerned with that.

#30 realwest

Besides, I couldn't chase anything for any reason whatsoever now. sigh.

Been there, but mine was only one broken rib. Isn't getting old fun?

Leave the poor little oppressed Muslims alone! They're just carrying out the will of their prophet:

~~~
[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
~~~

Religion Of Peace (c)

OT (P.C.A.)

Palestinian youths hold protest signs and ordnance during an anti-U.S. and anti-Israeli demonstration in the Brazil section of the Rafah refugee camp, near the border with Egypt, Monday, May 31, 2004. The children were protesting against an Israeli military offensive that ended last week, that left 46 Palestinians dead and dozens of houses destroyed. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

Realwest - (and everyone) Saturday I spent at Henri-Chapelle, Belgium, 7,989 American Military WWII dead. Sunday, at Lorraine American Cemetary, St. Avold France. 10, 489 American Military WWII dead. My pilots flew the missing man formations. Very solemn and sobering. One thing VERY noticable - I at first didn't see any Mogen-Davids (is that the right term?, the Jewish star?). Just acres of crosses (Lorraine has 113 acres and Henri-Chapelle, 57). row after row. And then once I searched and saw the first (star), they became very evident...

I'm leaking around the eyes again

mcgyver, out

#32 realwest - Check your mail.

#37 Mcgyver - I usually spend Memorial Day visiting relatives and brothers at two military cemeteries but couldn't do that today (I'm lucky I can get out of bed, go to the bathroom, pop a prescription pain killer and get back into bed.
BTW - for now, and for as long as I can milk this, if I say anything really stupid or ignorant, it's the painkillers talking.
Sorry folks, gotta leave for now, be back later.

Realwest - Take it slow. get better. No probs on the meds (heh)

Mcgyver, out

#3
Engineer

Debka thinks some elements of the Saudi family do support al Qaeda as a means of wresting power from other elements of the Saudi family. When you have several thousand princes, some are not going to get along with each other. When you add in the fact that the Wahabbist philosophy that the Kingdom is founded on has as its ultimate logical conclusion groups like al Qaeda, it makes sense that some elements of the KSA security services have been infiltrated by al Qaeda.

#31 facts of life

The Saudi regime is in full cahoots with AQ and all these attacks are staged to take the heat off of Saudi Arabia for their incitement and support of terrorists worldwide. Notice how 3 out of 4 of the terrorists conveniently got away.

The way I understand what is happening in the KSA is that one faction of the Royal family is led by Crown Prince and First Deputy Prime Minister Abdallah bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud who is half-brother to the King. He controls the military and is said to be pro-American.

The other faction is controled by Prince Naif bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud who is in charge of Saudi internal security and the religious police. He is said to support AQ and hates the West.

Of course, they both hate the Jews.

I don't have any sources to back this up, it is what I have come to understand after reading a lot over the last two years. If anyone can point to sources discussing this division in the Royal family, it would be very nice.

Mr Muqrin tops a Saudi list of most wanted terror suspects

Excuse me? Mr Muqrin? WTF?!

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#43 - ploome hineni

Yes, the BBC is reporting the same thing; also they referred to the gunmen as terrorists (listening to Radio 4 over Bank Holiday dinner with the parents).

43 Ploome

CNN reporting it too.

God bless Fox for reporting the truth. This is not just the "rest of the story". This is the story... true Islam.

I guess this is what the great scholar Bernard Lewis means when he reiterates no where in Islamic jurisprudence is terrorism condoned. No, just the usual jihad: genocide, ethnic cleansing, nicely layered with added layers of taqayyah, cooked up and feed to an ever-gullible, fact-retardent media.

#43 ploome hineni

And they call themselves "commandos?"

Realwest, get better soon, sorry to hear about your dustup. And many, many thanks for your service and the service of all our veterans. It is deeply appreciated.

The only good thing about the recent Islamoid violence worldwide is that it's taking place in the runup to our election--the enemy is forcing the debate on the electorate whether our politicians want it or not. When W keeps insisting that the enemy is not Islam, I know that the pollmeisters are reporting a massive shift in the American electorate's attitude. W may be afraid of a religious world war, but the public is becoming enraged at Islam.

You don't even hear Kerry saying we're not in a war. Last week, he was definitive about killing AQ and its axis networks. He may have been lying, but the public is becoming enraged at the Moslem jihad.

The mass media is still clueless about the change that is taking place in the American mind, though--even as they're being ID'ed by the public for the seditious bastards that they are.

#47, 48

I think those terms are oxymorons like these:

Brave Muslim warriors
Unbiased journalism
Honorable DNC Chairman
Thrifty Congressman
Jumbo shrimp
Humble Frenchman
Palestinian Nation

Only one of them exists, and it's very tasty, especially with cocktail sauce.

Muslims kill more muslims than everyone else combined. In Iraq/Iran, in the Sudan, throughout the middle east...

So I wonder if this cuurent "cleansing" of Arabia will include the Shiites? We forget how much the majority Sunnis hate them. To judge by the rhetoric, it's a lot:

www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&A rea=sr&ID=SR01102

Dr. Abu Muntasir Al-Baloushi explains on a Sunni Web site,[22] "because the Jews invented the Shi'a [the Shi'ite religion] and [the Shi'a] is pervaded by [the Jews'] beliefs and principles, from the day it was created

I have read many times rehtoric similar to the above, stating the Sunni belief that Shiites are even worse than Jews, that the Shiites will be turned into apes and pigs when they die, and so forth. AQ spews a lot of this, too.

All of which makes me wonder why the US doesn't exploit it more. If Iran (Shiite Muslims) is supporting AQ (Sunni Muslims who want to eredicate all Shiites) ... and the Itanian people are already pssied at their govt and want democracy ... and the ethnic.tribal rivalries are already large (Iranians are NOT Arabs!) ... would it really take all that much to topple the Mullahs? Or at least drive a wedge between the terrorist groups?

I mean, if we wanted to, that is.

#50 Belize042

Only one of them exists, and it's very tasty, especially with cocktail sauce.

Or cut up into a green salad which I just had for lunch.

Tom Thumb (supermarket in Texas - part of Safeway) has been having a sale on big shrimp (21-25 to the pound) from Vietham and I still have several pounds left -yummy.

So the Arabs are the victim's of western imperialism, yet they want to reestablish the caliphate in Spain and cleanse their lands of infidels. Typical cognitave dissonance.

Happy Birthday(again) Colt ! I want to have as many birthdays per year as you do! Or at least as many presents--
Here is one present, Dan Darling on Al-Muqrin's age:

twisterella:
Al-Muqrin is indeed 18 years old and a high school dropout and it behooves me to note that he shares the latter status with none other than Abu Musab Zarqawi himself. It is perhaps best to keep in mind that al-Qaeda does not adhere to Western age limitations and that some of the Afghanistan al-Qaeda began training at as early as 15, hence some of the "children" that the US is currently holding at Guantanamo Bay. If al-Muqrin's age would seem to prevent him from assuming such a position within the al-Qaeda hierarchy, allow me to explain how he got into the position that he did. The initial head of al-Qaeda's operations in the Gulf was Abd Rahim al-Nashiri, who was captured in November 2002, at which point he was succeeded by Khalid ibn Mohammed al-Jehani, who decided to serve as one of the suicide bombers in the first Riyadh bombings in May 2003. Then Khalid Ali bin Ali al-Haj, a former member of bin Laden's bodyguard, took up the mantle until his death at the hands of Saudi security forces on March 16, 2004. In all honesty though, my own perception of al-Muqrin is that he's more or less the figurehead of the Saudi al-Qaeda movement because of his age (which enables him to appeal to the youth) and that the real underpinnings of the network in the Kingdom are done by one Lewis Attiya Allah, who is also a member of the Supreme Council of Global Jihad.

LOL! You are the same age!!

cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of infidels

And who said they sounded like Nazis?

what fun it must be to be an ordinary Saudi -if there is such a thing!

you have the choice of rule that is the islamic equivalent of facism and stalinism!

their problem not mine!

learn to think!

reasoning is banned in Saudi since the fall of the Mutazilla!

oh for a return to the days of the islamic inquisition!

#43 ploome

Cultural differences. You just don't understand. It's very nuanced.

/duh

#49 Gary Bruce:

Do you have links to polling data showing the attitude shift you mentioned?

At least everyone can agree on one the one detail... Its been 1300 years or so, and The Arabian Peninsula is in desparate need of being "cleansed".

Engineer

That's one of the things I miss since I moved away from the Gulf. Here in the Rockies, seafood is a specialty, with its own section on restaurant menus and its own (small) section in stores.

In Florida, seafood is just...food.

#3 [Engineer], #41 Ed Moran

The Saudi Paradox

Summary: Saudi Arabia is in the throes of a crisis, but its elite is bitterly divided on how to escape it. Crown Prince Abdullah leads a camp of liberal reformers seeking rapprochement with the West, while Prince Nayef, the interior minister, sides with an anti-American Wahhabi religious establishment that has much in common with al Qaeda. Abdullah cuts a higher profile abroad -- but at home Nayef casts a longer and darker shadow.

The doctrine of Tawhid ensures a unique political status for the clerics in Saudi Arabia. After all, they alone have the necessary training to detect and root out idolatry so as to safeguard the purity of the realm. Tawhid is thus not just an intolerant religious doctrine but also a political principle that legitimizes the repressiveness of the Saudi state. It is no wonder, therefore, that Nayef, head of the secret security apparatus, is a strong supporter of Tawhid. Not known personally as a pious man, Nayef zealously defends Wahhabi puritanism because he knows on which side his bread is buttered -- as do others with a stake in the repressive status quo.

A very long read; but detailed and iluminating. Machiavelli would have run away screaming from this clusterf*ck.

#61 brianstien

The link you posted points back to this thread. Can you fix it? Looks like just what I was after.

And the winner of today's prize for most obvious headline: Reuters, for "Quaeda attack points to shortcomings in Saudi security".

#62 [Engineer]

Sorry about the link. 2nd time's a charm.

/preview is for nancy-boys.

It's interesting to note that Muhammed near last words were that Arabia must be cleansed of Christians and Jews...and they were...this proclamation is
100 percent Islamic teaching...and of course it is racist and warped...but such was the deranged mind of Muhammed!!

Thanks

64 brianstien

Thank you - I am about half way through and that is just what I was after. Looks like I was right on the basics and it explains why Bush took Prince Abdullah to his ranch. G-d what a mess. If we could just get the left to let us build nuclear plants, we could get out of having to make nice to the Saudis.

These guys need to get laid BAAD!

Is there a religion of scantilly clad women that does Middle Eastern missions?

I used to live in Nevada. One day I took a piss in the dessert (oops!...that's a whole different story), I mean the desert. By the time I finished and was zipping up, the piss had almost evaporated and was steaming up in an evil hiss and and a choking odor that made me cover my ears and bury my nose in my armpit. I reeled about and became disorientated. I ran back to my car with the intention of leaving this place as fast as I could. The radio was on in my Hummer. It was a station in Las Vegas, an favorite of mine. The song they were playing was a Johnny Cash classic...

when I was just a small boy,
my momma told me, son,
always be a good boy,
don't ever play with guns,
well I shot a man in Reno,
Just to watch him die...

Well, way back then I wasn't smart enough to understand all this...so I went back home and watched Oprah. The program was soothing I was astounded by the high level of discourse, of understanding about each of us, and as a nation, as a people, as to our place on this planet. I resolved then and there that in the future any time I took a piss in the desert I would be armed to the teeth and shoot any image that might fog my understanding.

#68 Axiom aka Iron Chef Patton

Is there a religion of scantilly clad women that does Middle Eastern missions?

Heh, I guess you missed last night's thread, eh?

LGF Calendar Girls

OT

My lawn desperately needs the rain. Its a warm, almost summerlike 34C here in HOU, with dewpoints of 23C, well, its warm and humid.

But not as warm and humid as say the gateway to South Texas, the All American City of Alice, TX (where I have been drunk), where it is 36C with a dewpoint of 27C, creating heat indices of 50C. Hot and humid. Yowza! Because of the warm dry air blowing off the Mexican plateau (40C already in Del Rio, 38C at Monterrey, NL MX. ), temps would have to reach nearly 40C to break "the cap" there and allow rain.

At 2pm local GOES satellite estimates of CAPE for South Texas neared 4000 J/Kg, and I just read a discussion out of Austin saying latest GOES sounder was showing 6000 J/Kg available CAPE.

Shear is weak, so main severe threat is damaging straight line winds, although with such high CAPE, tornadoes would be possible near any mesoscale boundaries.

Possible role of pre-existing boundaries in tornadogenesis in high CAPE/low shear environments

Lamar, Colorado high CAPE/low shear tornado event.

Looks like a storm is breaking the cap in Comal county, not too far from Schlitterbahn!

¿ Distrito de Colon tormentas?

Arafish - Days are numbered?

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Wow! We can only hope!

Big Ed

I, to, have urinated in Nevada.

#54 twisterella

Actually, that's my first present :-)

That's just... weird. These kids don't even get a childhood.

Oh dear, as if drinking threads were not dangerous enough, now we have peeing threads, too...

;-P

I, for one, will not mention where I have peed.

LMG: Do you have links to polling data showing the attitude shift you mentioned?

No public polls, but public behavior and rhetoric on the part of Kerry and senior Democrats.

Last Sunday on Meet the Press, Senator Joe Biden (D-Del) tried to recruit Senator McCain to be Kerry's running mate.

Last Friday in Seattle, Kerry said the following: "This country is united in its determination to destroy you [the terrorists]. "As commander in chief, I will bring the full force of our nation's power to bear on finding and crushing your networks. We will use every available resource to destroy you."

Why would the Democratic Party leadership try to recruit a Republican hawk to be their vice president?

Why would the Democratic presidential nominee state his intention to wage war against Al Queda in such stark terms?

Answer: their private polls are telling them that a majority of the electorate is committed to the war against the Islamo-fascists.

Drill ANWAR

Nuke MECCA

#49 Gary Bruce . . .

The mass media is still clueless about the change that is taking place in the American mind, though--even as they're being ID'ed by the public for the seditious bastards that they are.

Why do you think there's been a change in the American public's view of Islam and the war? I'm surrounded by LLLs, so I don't see any evidence at all of any change.

Please advise. Thanks.

OT

Is Egypt ready to flush the Fish?

Hermaphroditic weather watch for areas just north of HOU and northeast of AUS

#74 Colt: I hope you liked it! :)
Here's a liitle more--

twisterella:
As far as al-Muqrin goes, just keep in mind that Lewis Attiya Allah is a rather scrawny and unappealing figure, especially to the 16-28 year-olds that al-Qaeda hoping to attract. He's a clever SOB and he keeps the cash flowing, but he's more or less a glorified accountant for the network and there's a reason that most of the poison he pumps out is written rather than spoken. Al-Muqrin, OTOH, fits the image of the Arab Rambo super-warrior, which is why he shows up in all the recruiting videos.
Posted by: Dan Darling on May 31, 2004 07:41 PM

Anybody here from San Marcos? Hays County?

No warnings yet, but strong storms developing near Schlitterbahn in Comal county/New Braunfels metro, and a new cell popping right over Texas State University-San Marcos campus/Aquarena Springs.

I've heard that Ralph the Swimming Pig is permanently retired.

Ralph could be a distant cousin of the flying pig.

Are there any rational sane people in that shithole country that can be trusted to run a decent country? I got it, let the foreigners, who realy keep the machines moving and oil and electricity flowing, take control and they can cleanse all the Islamic parasites out of there! But first nuke Mecca and Medina, the most useless, fascistic cities on earth!

Gary Bruce . . .

Got your answer in post before I posted. Thanks.

Nap time.

Promethea: See my response in #76.

I must admit that my answer in #76 really focuses on the first part of my previous statement.

Regarding my claim that the public currently has ID'ed the mass media as seditious?

Proof one: a continuing loss in readership and viewership of the LLL media outlets over time.

Also this poll by Columbia Univ. (of all places), called the Project for Excellence in Journalism. The report is called State of the News Media 2004. See [Link: www.journalism.org...]

"Americans think journalists are sloppier, less professional, less moral, less caring, more biased, less honest about their mistakes and generally more harmful to democracy than they did in the 1980s.

"Consider a few changes in the numbers between 1985 and 20021:

 The number of Americans who think news organizations are highly professional declined from 72 to 49 percent.
 Those who think news organizations are moral declined from 54 to 39 percent, and those who think they are immoral rose from 13 to 36 percent.
 Those who feel news organizations try to cover up their mistakes rose from 13 to 67 percent.
 The number of Americans who think news organizations generally get the facts straight declined from 55 to 35 percent.
 Those who feel who feel news organizations care about the people they report on declined from 41 to 30 percent.
 Those who think news organizations are politically biased rose from 45 to 59 percent.

Thanks, twisterella. I'd forgotten to check out Dan Darling's recent works :-)

Bloody hell. The things I wouldn't do to get an internship at the AEI...

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Ed! We got golf ball size hail in Austin! Sounds like a stampede on my roof.

I believe most people see that Islam has something to do with terrorism (jihad). I've seen one poll that indicates this. However, a good many may not be sure whether it is the terrorists who are misguided, in their interpretation of their religion (this is the angle the media continually works from), or if it is just anger and frustration on the part of terrorists because many are forced to live under tyrannical Muslim governments, which may or may not be abetted by western imperialist powers (media, but much more so, the LLL angle). Another words, its a real soup of misunderstanding out there that I think still exists. If I had to guess what percent really understands Islam and what it teaches and how it operates, of those who have taken the time to maybe read the Koran or have read books by authors such as Robert Spencer, I bet the answer would be no more than 20% of the population, if that many. Maybe no more than 10%. Books critical of Islam are moving very well, in libraries and bookstores, and there are so many that have been written, most post-9/11. I generally don't move in LLL circles. Among them, I would guess at least 80% remain largely ignorant of Islam, but I have met some that are getting it. The problem is, while they may still surmise the threat, they usually think Bush is the greater enemy, and so, will look the other way. These are my observations, having spoken with hundreds of people.

What really scares me is most people still seem to think that whenever Muslim leaders, academics, religious leaders in the west talk about Islam or the many issues surrounding Muslims, they are speaking the unadulterated truth, that they are actually representing their religion, in its culture and history, what Islam's scriptures teach and say, correctly and honestly. That is, they still have no idea how devious the so-called moderates can be, when they want to be. So while many may have some understanding of Islam, due to their limited understanding of Islam and the Muslim mind, they may lack the requisite wariness and therefore lack the sense of urgency and vigilance required to resist this internal threat. Muslims and Islamic organizations and groups are trying to infiltrate the west in order to subvert it, and are doing so in a big way. Books written for western, non-Muslims that teach them what sharia is or how the process of cultural Islamization is implemented or unfolds have generally not been written. Hopefully, Bat Ye'or's upcoming book Eurabia will bring some attention to this reality, though I wouldn't bet on it. Fallaci has written books for the masses, and she remains almost completely ignored, both here and in Europe, despite her two books on the Islamic threat being huge bestsellers. Its so frustrating, just about any book critical of Islam will not get reviewed or discussed in the mainstream media. Likewise, the media ignores what is being taught and said in Muslim nations.

For me, I would love to see a book that shows how Muslims manipulate language (benign English words, duplicitous intent) and interweave these with certain lies over and over. Basically, they're propaganda, in both its technique and arguments. I've read enough forums to where I can anticipate so many Muslims' almost scripted answers and phrases. I know such a book would be quite incendiary and scorned by most media, but it would be a welcome addition to a phenomena I see everywhere (i.e. religion of peace). Perhaps Ali Sina is working on a book based on the texts of his many debates with Muslims. It would be a great book. The best long debates I've seen with Muslims, particularly Muslim scholars, have been on that forum.

The ex-Muslim Ali Sina will indeed publish a book later this year. From his website, everybody SHOULD educate themselves about the concepts of taqiyya and kitman - lying for Islam. They are EXTREMELY important to know about to understand what Muslims do in Western countries:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

Never been toasty in the former Soviet Union. Or France. Or Germany.

Alcohol was unavailable to me during my brief visit to al Masirah, my only visit to the dar al Islam.

Never been toasty in South America, or in any of the English speaking provinces of Canada.

Speaking of toasty, 42 toasty degrees C (107F) in Laredo at 4pm CDT. The 5 pm OB is 109F. Yes, I have been drunk in Los Dos Laredos (Laredo, TX and Nuevo Laredo, Tamps.)

Rain along I-35 corridor in Austin-San Marcos-San Antonio metro area.

At their slow rate of movement, these wouldn't reach my thirsty yard until near midnight, which means they wouldn't reach here at all, as these will weaken at sunset.

#17 hershel

They don't really need our support. They already have billions upon billions of US/French/British/Russian made weaponry. What "we" should be doing is supporting ANYONE willing to kill Islamocysts, including other Islamocysts. If, in the short term a Taliban like victor emerges, so much the better. In time it will be so bloodied and so hated, that taking over and supplanting it, will be pratically effortless. (See Afghanistan). My only problem with what the US is doing in Iraq now, is that they did not arm the various competing factions and let them have at each other for a good ten, fifteen years. Kinda like was done with Saddam and the Iranian Mullahs. War is an expensive enterprise. They have the black dollars to pay for it. Why deny them the chance to recycle these dollars on US made arms? In the mean time the US should be talking with the Russians, the Chinese, Indians, and of cos the Israelians about a future ME geopolitical map. :)

"No infidels in Arabia" has the makings of a tremendous deal.

No infidels in Arabia in exchange for no Muslims anywhere else.

Draw it up and put Colin on a flight to Riyadh immediately.

All Muslims outside the Islamic homeland to be immediately transferred to the Arabian peninsula.

Such a blissful thought. Oh, such bliss!

International Islamic Conference: Genuine Call for Tolerance or Reiteration of Hollow Slogans?

[Link: memri.org...]

#89 Colt: Well, if there is anyone I know that could get one (besides Dan, I mean), that would be you!!

Reader: "For me, I would love to see a book that shows how Muslims manipulate language (benign English words, duplicitous intent) and interweave these with certain lies over and over. Basically, they're propaganda, in both its technique and arguments."

I think the US election will intensify the entire war effort, from the military and intelligence aspects, to political operations and propaganda campaigns.

Starting with the Democratic Convention in late July, and lasting until early November and the election, the American people are going to be under continual political, military and intellectual assault from all sides.

In short, the great majority of the electorate are going to be forced to educate themselves in the next five months.

To me, the Islamists are like Futurama's "Morbo" and the Western Media is like his airhead co-anchor.

"How are your children, Morbo?"

"Numerous and Belligerent!"

And no matter how many times Morbo looks into the camera and says, "We will destroy you!" The dimbulb west just chuckles and says, "Oh, you..."

Britain just chuckles and says we will fund your crap. We will make Britain muslim friendly--PUKE!
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
I don't suppose there are many calls for terrorists. When your only education is the koran and you are expert at jihadism, who will hire you, other than terrorists? So Britain caves in and funds these terror preachers. Britain is getting closer to becoming islamized. Next they will be installing sharia. God forbid!

Isn't it about time the un general assembly and security council formally blamed Israel for the saudi attack? Followed by as statement by mary robinson on behalf of the un human rights committee pointing out that it's all due to the occupation.

It's a wonder my ears weren't burning this morning. Where's Colt? He has some explaining to do ... ;-)

“We renew our determination to repel the crusader forces and their arrogance, to liberate the land of Muslims, to apply Sharia [Islamic law] and cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of infidels,” said the website message. ..

And if they did so from whence would come the funds for their terror camaigns? Remove the infidels who do the actual work in their oil fields and you have nothing more than a huge sandy hell hole. God knows that kind of labor is beneath anybody native to the Arabian Peninsula.

Dear LORD I wish we were much closer to a viable alternative energy source so we could dump this fetid region of the world. Then hopefully the Israelis could deal with the problem the way they see fit.

#93

That's good news. I know Ali. He'll understand the context of my statement. I think he is extraordinary, in the same way I think anyone that dedicates their life to justice and peace, and freedom from oppression and ignorance for those so burdened is. But Ali ... he debates where Muslims fear to tread -- in truth.

Yes, we not only have to show what Islam is but how Muslims apply it in the West, in their manipulation, to advance their subversive ends. Then we have to form a strategy or set of strategies to begin countering it, but foremost in that effort is in simply educating the masses about this. And throw that garbage that's being taught in public schools out! Where are the historians? We've got terrorist supporters writing textbooks!

It is interesting, a few years ago, if I were to talk like this, perhaps most people would think I was doing a scene from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". When I would talk about Islam, what they were hearing exceeded their grasp, their imagination. That's how much of a cultural difference it left (I might have had better luck describing Islam as a fictional, alien civilization). Religions just don't act like this. Now, I think enough of them are sufficiently worried or scared and have seen enough deviant behavior on the part of Muslims, both individuals and groups, to begin to ask questions. That's where it starts.

The Saudis let the gunmen go... there's no media pressure, no apologies, nothing... they just don't like being embarassed!

The House of Saud is doomed by its contradictions - a history of Saudi, by The Times of London

Nothing could make me more enamored with a faith than to see so many of its adherents, while not doing the killing themselves (in grotesque ways), remain silent. Or worse, once the killing is over to parade through the streets carrying heads and organs of the innocent slaughtered people. Or if not that extreme, just dancing in the streets, or saying the slain deserved it. To top it off, if anyone retaliates, it just pisses them off more. No democrats there to say be nicey-nice. Hey, we should send them Teddy! He will work it out. Like Kerry will? Sending Teddy might solve some things.

hmm..where did we hear rhetoric like this before? 1930s maybe?

ninjase,

Just yesterday.