They're just ticked they can't write in Capt. Hook anymore ...
:-)

First?

RESPECT ISLAM...BRING A PIG INTO YOUR LOCAL MOSQUE, KILL IT, EAT IT, DOWN IT WITH SOME BOOZE, ALL THE WHILE HAVING SEX WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND SINGING HATIKVAH.

That is offensive to a whole bunch of people who are not Muslims.

But it is guaranteed to piss them off more than anyone else.

#2 bigel
One of the few times I will agree with you (minus the capslock set on jihad ).

They aren't too bright are they?

For lack of a better place to post this -

Enemies of Truth

We report, you decipher.

"What does Islam say about democracy and is it permitted?" -- topic from the website

That was a nice reminder of exactly what I hate about these Koran-thumping extremists.

Don't like democracy? GO HOME! There are plenty of cesspool theocracies you are free to be abused in. Leave the decent countries alone.

Scum like Al Muhajiroun should respect the west... and get out of our countries - they can go and live like animals in any Islamic state they choose...

Gah -- I actually clicked on the link -- now I have to toss some lye into my eyeballs ...

# 8 Beagle

"is it **permitted?**"

all you ned to know about Islamists in one phrase ...

That's a damn good idea! Maybe they can organize a "Be a good muslim - don't get out the vote! Stay home and seethe!" campaign.

#11 Buckaroo:

Still watchin' the game? 2 zip TB.

Bastards.

Respect and Islam are mutually excusive as far as I can see.

I support the idea of them "respecting" islam by not voting.
Pass it on! :)

Thom™ (#12):

"Be a good muslim - don't get out the vote! Stay home and seethe!"

Better yet: "Be a good muslim - seethe all the way home on your one-way transatlantic flight!".

RESPECT ISLAM...BRING A PIG INTO YOUR LOCAL MOSQUE, KILL IT, EAT IT, DOWN IT WITH SOME BOOZE, ALL THE WHILE HAVING SEX WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND SINGING HATIKVAH.

Are we talking barbeque? Keggers? Any chili? What about some really loud music?

#6 bigel

Can I assume you are a Republican and plan to vote for Bush?

A sense of humor and sarcasm? Who'da figured?

Obviously, this islamist who posts periodically in the Toronto Globe and Mail didn't speak to his British jihadi bretheren:

[Link: www.globeandmail.ca...]

As a Canadian (and especially if I were a Canadian Jew), this is extremely worrisome. It was only a matter of time before the islamists woke up to the benefits of unchecked muslim immigration and procreation. Dhimmitude, anyone?

# 13 Cam

"watching" via Yahoo ...

Sorry man, tho if it expands publicity about the game to some folks who otherwise wouldn't know about it, it could be positive ...

Respect Islam: Leave.

#20 Buckaroo:

C'mon. The ones filling the arena down there are Canucks living out their retirement days...

;-)

now the underlying reason for this chazareyh is that democracy is manmade law and the sharia comes from the one and only--ta da--allah--and guess who is required to interpret the law of allah--the folks --no way--its your friendly ulema who get mucho status and perqs for telling you what to do and are real close to the caliph--so basically not voting is a "jobs program" for the scholars and the quadis--and a disaster for anyone else who might have a mind of their own--this is not a relgion --it is the perfect combination of social,political and mind control--giving the highest status to the priests--who without it might have to get off their fat asses and work for a living--allahu nakba

# 22 Cam

True -- along with a sprinkling of New Englanders -- but I can hope ...
:-0

They love death more than life and they don't vote...

Evolution in action.

#24 Buckaroo:

Truth be told, my friend, I'd rather not see hockey get too popular down south. The dilution of talent caused by over-expansion is ruining the game.

But then again, I wouldn't complain if I was a $1,000,000 a year lunch-pailer.

;-)

It's like saying Respect Facism, don't vote. They send brownshirts on the streets instead.

OT, I tend to avoid NPR nowadays, but I tuned in today, they were priceless!!! Scroll down halfway to Morrissey's Back to listen about the arch-whiner's complains about America's "big head" and "thick waist". Did you know that he lives in LA now?

There is also "Commentary: The Cost of Energy" about LLL wife taking cold showers.

Conserve oxygen...

... don't breathe.

HULUGU (#23)

this is not a relgion --it is the perfect combination of social,political and mind control

In other words, a cult, and a dangerous one at that.

Finally these guys say something I agree with. Now if they just packed up the camels and went home...

# 27 vb

"LLL wife taking cold showers."

must resist ... tasteless rejoinder ...

25 They love death more than life, instead of voting they stay home and seethe- and they teach their kids to be splodeydopes. And they reproduce at a much faster rate than native born populations in the West. At some point there is no need to vote.
OTOH- there are Muslims in the US who are assimilating. If the kids grow up in western culture, as tacky as it is, and get good jobs, it will be tough to convince them to become shaheeds. Least I hope so.

@18 reaganite

*LOL
You know, some things don't ever change such as Gordo trolls. But, bigel has toned down considerably. And, he does have a sense of humour...sometimes. :)

Another Pig in the Sky:

Islam has a history in democracy

#29 zulubaby

Like I've been saying...

I wholeheartedly support this initiative.

Not in Iraq.

Buckaroo, Iron FIst

If you listen to her little thing, she actually says that she has to do it for her husband. Makes you wonder...

#27 veebee
I caught that Morrissey thing on NPR also. I was really thrown for a loop when they said that he now lives in LA and is popular among East LA Latin gangbangers.
WTF???

Latino, not Latin.

#11 Buckaroo

That's the one. In our democracy we guarantee freedom of religion. We have rule of law. In Islam any Muffy, Ayassahola, Imama, or shiteheed can make it up as they go along.

The very idea that one book put together by tribesmen in the desert during the medieval period could answer modern questions should appear stupid to everyone.

It might also be a subtle (when talking about Islamic fanatics, the "b" is pronounced) warning to Muslims that the polling places will be bombed. Not just for any one election - I mean, in general.

Could somebody in Michigan please print these signs off, make a zillion copies, and plaster them all over Dearborn on Nov. 1? For additional veracity, I would change it a little: "Mullah Achmed will issue a fatwa on any Believer who defiles himself by entering the infidel voting booth on November 2th. Any female who enters the Place of Filth will be considered a whore!"

Re: Hockey Game

Did you happen to see when they panned to all the TB wives in the stands? Mmmm hockey wives...

How about the following for Iran:

"Respect freedom, do not vote".

The phrase "Respect Islam, do not vote" sounds like a potential rotating title for LGF.

RESPECT ISLAM ... DO NOT VOTE
STAY A MUSLIM ... DON’T VOTE
...or...
RESPECT ISLAM ... DO NOT BREATHE
STAY A MUSLIM ... DON’T THINK

Charles, they are on to us!!!
Scroll all the way down to the botton of the link...

O Muslims, We have begun to follow behind the Jews and Christians into the ‘Lizard hole’, as foretold by the Messenger Muhammad (saw).

Doss

I was really thrown for a loop when they said that he now lives in LA and is popular among East LA Latin gangbangers.

I had to chuckle when they brought up the class issue in this regard.

A bit off the track (but maybe not): Irshad Manji, professor at University of Toronto and author of the recently published book The Trouble with Islam, and a very gutsy, courageous, uncowed and unbowed feminist, lesbian, dissdent Muslima with a great sense of humor, came to Rochester's Temple B'rith Kodesh last night to talk about her book and ideas and and field some questions. (Most of the audience were evidently Jews, but I noticed a few Muslims there, including young women.)

Since my card ended up on top of the question-card pile, two of my questions were relayed to her, and she answered them: whether it's possible to have Arab/Muslim democracies, and what can be done to put an end to the madrassa/jihadist brainwashing of children. She noted that the Koran said nothing about government, and therefore, on the question of which government was best, Islam was (ideally) flexible. She believes in the possibility of positive change, and that there CAN be Muslim/Arab democracies. But she isn't aiming to change the minds of the fanatics, the Khameinis of the world--an impossible task--she believes in encouraging moderate grassroots Muslims, especially women, to question the doctrines they have been taught to accept unquestioningly. She encourages them to think, to re-evaluate, to discuss and debate, to speak up and out, to agitate for positive changes, to take control of their lives. In other words, empowerment.

Naturally, the Wahhabist-Khameini-pro-jihadist faction consider her a threat, but officially diss her as a lone nutcase. However, subversive ideas like hers have a way of insinuating themselves into the minds and hearts of her readers, and spreading. Her target readership is moderate Muslims, but her book can be profitably read and enjoyed by Christians and Jews as well. She knows her history, and understands the truth about Israel. I like to think that her book, which is already available in several languages, is being read, passed discreetly around, and smuggled from sister to sister under their chaderis. Getting lambasted by the mullahs also provides good publicity. I presume that she is careful about her security.

On her Website, Muslim Refusenik, Manji has posted numerous letters, many from fellow Muslims, including young men and women, together with her responses. Some of the letters are venomous. Some indicate that her ideas have hit home. She promotes the classical concept of "ijtihad," or intellectual inquiry and open-minded debate, as a major legacy of traditional Islam...something that needs to be rediscovered and re-embraced my moderate Muslims.

In case you're curious to know more, I encourage you to visit her Website and read her book. She is not a fundamentalist; her view of Islam is shaped by a modern sensibility, insight into history, humanity, love, independent thinking, and common sense. The Koran, she notes, is so full of contradictions and ambiguities, to say nothing of human tampering, that it cannot be interpreted as the direct, immovable, immutable word of God. She's begun doing something about this psychotic glorification of jihad...making her readers think...about their faith, history, culture, values, and place in the world. She emphasizes free choice.

And yes...she debunks that "reward of 72 virgins for the shahid" business...it's not virgins, it's raisins. Y'all know that already, but it was news to some members of the audience!

By the way, I mentioned LGF on my question card (but that question didn't get asked). I plan to ask her directly. It'd be nice to have a permanent link here.

Manji undoubtedly saw the above headline urging Muslims not to vote and is likely guffawing over it. In her view, women should not only vote, they should hold office. And why not?

There ARE some voices of Muslim/Arab sanity in the world, like Walid Shoebat, Sheikh Palazzi, and Tamsin Ansary. The Arafats and ayatollahs and jihadists seem to get all the publicity, though.

Did anyone see the article on Andalus?

This is just one example of their obsession with the reconquest of Spain. Zappy the Pinhead, maybe you could just give it to them?

There was so much involvement of the women that it was close to allowing her to make (sic) decision, they even were made heads of guards, the role of the women in the state of Andalus was involve (sic) in the decline.

Let me summarize: Too much "booty," not enough killing for its own sake. No, not that booty. In their own words, Muslims are parasites.

However, when not slaughtering people for "booty," subjegating women, killing the unbelievers, or conquering new lands, they love to complain about very minor events in democratic nations.

Being arrested for speaking the truth is not unfamiliar to the Muslims and in particular Members of Al-Muhajiroun, however the heavy handedness and the violence used by the police officers involved was particularly disturbing.

Infamous for their institutional racism and ignorance about the sensitivities of Muslims, Eye witnesses said that, in their venomous hatred towards Muslims, police officers pounced on one individual, without warning and dragged him into police custody.

Member of Al-Muhajiroun Abdul Muied, a resident in the local area said “We came as we do every week inviting people to Islam, however, without warning 6-7 undercover police and uniformed police grabbed me, wrestled me to the ground and bundled me into the police station, in the process ripping my clothes and leaving me with bruises”. In shock of the police brutality, Abu Ismael, also a local resident tried to intervene; however was also arrested for his efforts.

RIPPED CLOTHES AND BRUISES?! OH, THE HUMANITY!

[DON'T VOTE]

I'd take it further.

DON'T VOTE,

Jump from the Dover Cliffs, and (to borrow a phrase from Dory the blue fish), "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming swimming ..."

How about, 'respect islam, don't breath'??

I know, they'll all die. That'd be a pity, wouldn't it?

(#51) Parpar

I think Irshad is wonderful, and I don't necessarily want to discourage anyone, but I am extremely skeptical of Islam being reformed, of it being brought into modernity. I've studied the Koran and much of the hadiths. These scriptures are just an unrelenting hatred toward non-Muslims, particularly Jews and pagans. Islam centers around Muhammed. He is its beginning and end. It is this hatred, more than anything, that seems to be the driving, unifying force behind Islam. A reformed Islam would be a dissolute Islam, one most likely to collapse, similar to other terrible, failed ideologies. It wouldn't be Islam. What would be left? As Ali Sina (faithfreedom.org) says about Islam, "where is the love?". If you argue that parts of the Koran are not from Allah, or God, then you enter an endless debate about how to interpret it, and what verses to accept. Furthermore, even if you say parts of the Koran are not sacrosanct, then how do you justify the narrative that is Muhammed's life, in his actions and the overall tenor of his mission? If you acknowledge his sins, and they are horrendous (few compare), then I would think the only conclusion you could come to would be to dismiss Muhammed as being any example for righteousness, as someone to follow who could be the bridge to God. You can make that point because this is a man who didn't even seem to follow his own religion, and one who also didn't seem to have much problem in breaking every one of the 10 commandments. And Allah? Don't get me started. Monumental bigot, who funny enough, never seems to have too much to say about Muhammed's outrages. This hatred is suffused all through the texts, in thought and deeds recorded. What is the justification for this prejudice, this provocation? Forget debates about jihad and just war. I'm looking at a religion that sanctifies hate and wanton violence against the innocent and believes its only destiny is to rule, regardless of who may oppose it.

As for the Koran, I doubt this book even existed in Muhammed's lifetime.

RESPECT ISLAM ... DO NOT VOTE STAY A MUSLIM ... DON’T VOTE

Yes we understand this fully.

So it is also futile to try to establish democracy and secularism in Iraq and other Muslim countries till the temperamental core of these countries remains Islamic. The paranoid submission to religion that Islam demands alongwith the call of Jihad to convert the world to Islam, goes against the spirit of both democracy and secularism. The countries of the Muslim world that we overrun are not Germany or Japan after World War 2. The populations of the Muslim countries hate us in a civilizational divide dating back to the foundation of Islam. This was not so in the case of Germany or Japan.

Western diplomats claim that Iraq can be a democratic country. WRONG! we have the proof that it's impossible!

Islam is today being portrayed as a peaceful and tolerant religion. History proves otherwise! Though there were certainly periods of relative tranquility and tolerance, minorities and non-Muslims have always been prosecuted under Islam. In fact, Islamic ideology is based upon an intense hatred of the non-Muslim. For Muslims, there exist two kinds of non-Muslim enemies... kafir (non-believers in Islam) and ahl al-kitab (People of the Book). Kafir, such as Buddhists and Hindus, must either convert to Islam or face execution. People of the Book include Jews and Christians. These people need only submit to Muslim authority (called Shariah) to avoid forced conversion or death. Although they may keep their original faith, their status becomes dhimmi (a "protected," yet inferior non-Muslim status). So instead of outright forced conversion or slaughter, the Christians and Jews would be allowed to remain somewhat unmolested as long as they acknowledged the superiority of the Muslim. However, as 100,000 dead Lebanese Christians and Israel's beleaguered Jewish population have discovered over the years, these guarantees have proved worthless! Islam, as a religion is militant and violent. Muslims are anti-non-Muslims and it is for the non-Muslims to listen to them and to submit to them and convert to Islam. Otherwise, there is war. This has become a global issue today. A worldwide war of civilizations seems to be staring us in the face today. It would be sensible to be prepared, proactive and pre-emptive.

[Link: www.newsonterror.com...]

Why do you agree with it?

Did you see the 'documentary' on the site entitled "Uncompromising
Jewish Convert - An Explanation as to why Khalid Kelly converted to Islam and rejected his previous western life"

[Link: www.al-muhaajiroun.com...]

I like where the (cough) former Jew referred to cunning Jews etc. and "quote Israel unquote"

If you watch the abovementioned video all the way to the end, you'll see one bit Arafat etc. wish you hadn't heard.

He mentions that there is no such thing as an Israeli "civilian" as they all end up in the army.

I guess that explains why three year olds and the unborn foetus in her mother's stomach are considered fair game.

"Midnight at the oaaasis,
Take your camel to bed..."

heeheehee

Charles:

Why do all these guys suck so badly at website design? Is Allah against text formatting?

#62 a noble vision

/LLLobotomy

How dare you judge our sites by your Waste-rn aesthetics. Your sites offend our eyes. They lack calligraphy. Where are the 99 names of Allah? And worst of all, they are contaminated by ... ugh ... pictures.

/LLLobotomy

#51 Parpar

Walid Shoebat is Christian.

#62

Is Allah against text formatting?

Yes, text formatting is not stoneage technology.

Not all Palestinians are militants you know.

#66

Not all Palestinians are militants you know.

True, the dead ones are not any more.

Did anyone see death in gaza on channel 4 a few nights back?

Speechless racists odd. Oh and before you start you are mostly racists in the way you demonise an entire race for the actions of a minority within that race

Oh and before you start you are mostly racists in the way you demonise an entire race for the actions of a minority within that race

What race?

It’s strange that for people defending Jew’s you are very Nazi like

Sorry race isn't the right word i mean Muslims

#68

No, but I saw a pitiful documentary on the USA.
Chapter 1 was titled"An empire in denial", and when the documentarist started to talk about the "Pax americana" I watched something different.

#72

Sorry race isn't the right word i mean Muslims

No, bad grammar or wrong word. you mean "cult".

Cult same is said for Christianity and judaism and could be said about this website

#75

No, you should practice terminology. Christianity and judaism are religions.

Explane the difference between a cult and a religon? it must be to subtle for me to see. sorry.

Are we "cultists" then?

Can't say rasict, gotta say Nazi.

You're a dim little bulb, mikey boy. Run along.

#77 Mike, read this by Steyn

Now, enough said as we are OT. If you wish to discuss the subject find another forum.

I'd say so. Oh and i said racist aswell

When the British were in charge of palestine the jews persauded them to give them there so called promised land by terrorist means ie murder

#78 Powderfinger

I am afraid he is right - we might be a cult?

"2. a devotion or homage to a person or thing (the cult of aestheticism).
b a popular fashion esp. followed by a specific section of society."

(Concise Oxford)

True and a rather small Section at that

#82 odin

Well then, at least we're funny. :-) And we only want to kill people who, as the Texans say, need killing.

Another interesting def. from American Heritage:

"An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest."

There's a lot of cults out there. But only one world famous death cult...

Type little green footballs into google and go onto the third address its got a great and very hard quiz on it

#84 Powderfinger, exactly!

The most famous death cult is probaly the nazis nut i serpose with a bit more you lot could be up there with them

How funny!

I just got an email from my synagogue reminding me to vote on this Thursday!

So if we're not racists what are we Mike?

#82 odin, I read your no2 as "a devotion to a homepage"... In which case LGF is most definitly a cult!

Useful idiot of the day = Mike!

#12 Thom

That's a damn good idea! Maybe they can organize a "Be a good muslim - don't get out the vote! Stay home and seethe!" campaign.

I agree. It SOUNDS good. Only problem is, some lefty-loonie will come up with the idea that in order to practice "true" democracy and yet be "sensitive" to multiculturalism, the only "fair" way to be "inclusive" is to presume a block of votes equal to the highest estimate of muslim voters and count them as if actually voted for the candidate/policy most favorable to muslim interests.

#92

Only problem is, some lefty-loonie will come up with the idea that in order to practice "true" democracy and yet be "sensitive" to multiculturalism, the only "fair" way to be "inclusive" is to presume a block of votes equal to the highest estimate of muslim voters and count them as if actually voted for the candidate/policy most favorable to muslim interests

Good one! The worst thing is that I would not even be surprised if that happened!

All your hanging chads are belong to us!

Did you see the 'documentary' on the site entitled "Uncompromising
Jewish Convert - An Explanation as to why Khalid Kelly converted to Islam and rejected his previous western life"

No, but I saw the documentary with "Yusuf Khattab" (ne Jospeh Cohen), a really sick puppy who was raised in a secular Jewish home, became a baal teshuvah and entered, in rapid succession, a Litvish yeshiva, some sort of Hassidic yeshiva, and finally joined up with the Satmars, moved to Israel, became a Muslim, moved his family to the West Bank and joined Hamas. He's pretty disgusting - all Israelis are legitimate targets, the whole world will become Muslim, either through dawa "or the rifle." Sick, sick, sick.

By telling not to vote they are calibrating their instrument. Thenm when you tell them to vote you are controlling a bloc. Then you shop for the lowest priced party to influence. The bazaar is open. Dhimmitude is on sale soon.

I wholeheartedly support this initiative. Democracy, with its "voting" and "voice of the people", is antithetical to Islam. Ergo, good Muslims should not vote.

Let's spread the word here in the USA too.

#70 Powderfinger 6/8/2004 03:07AM PST

Oh and before you start you are mostly racists in the way you demonise an entire race for the actions of a minority within that race

What race?

Uh, the one that Charles refers to here:

Unclear on the Concept

This is rich. Here’s a site run by Islamists that tries to imitate Jihad Watch and Internet Haganah; its motto is “Exposing Islamaphobes and Racists.”

And the name of the site contains a disgusting Arabic racial slur meaning “non-Muslim,” that’s also used as a derogatory term for black Africans: Kafir Watch. (Hat tip: Norwegian kafir.)

#98 oxfordboy

So, if it [kafir] were referred to as a disgusting religiously bigotted slur meaning "non-Muslim", you'd be fully on-board with that, right?

Sing it loud, oxfordboy! Kafir Watch = religious bigots!
Say it with me: "Kafir Watch = religious bigots!"

There, now. Doesn't that feel good to express your outrage over the intolerance these folks, especially now that their bigotry has been correctly labelled as religious - rather than racial - in nature?

"oxfordboy" has been crowing about this in several comments now. He thinks he really caught me.

A derogatory term for black Africans? Hello? Racial slur, anyone?

This is the kind of empty nitpicking that tools like oxfordboy are reduced to.

Yup. We're all about the accuracy here, are we not? Fundementalist Islam is the worlds most violent creed, no question. Christianity once was, but we reformed. It is now commonplace to be non, post or ex-christian, or even never was christian. That option is closed to those from a muslim culture. The last thing I want is for it to be closed to those from a christian background, too.

I just wanted us to be consistent - either, as you seem to accept, Muslims are not a race; or, as Charles sometimes seems to say, they are.

From their letter section: Britons should leave their homeland because they are "not Muslim"

Assalammu-Alaikum, I have watched your demo video on your website, and was curious to know, your members say that freedom is disgusting...

... and that they do not want british freedom. I respect your group for the fact that u stand your ground and do not compromise your beliefs, but surely if we hate this country and its policies, we as Muslims then should not be residing in this unislamic country, u group members r saying they don't like freedom, but they choose to live under freedom(democracy), I just want to know, what should our reply to the kuffar be, when they ask us Muslims, what we r doing in this country, if we don't like the british way of life, u see...

...I don't want to sound like a hypocrite, and the hypocrites have been mentioned in the quran, as people who r doomed and found in the lowest parts of jahannam

Reply :
Abu Bara' Wa 'Alaikum Assalam Wa Rahmatullah, May Allah reward you and strengthen you and increase your confidence in your deen.

Muslims are people who believe in laa ilaaha illallah, that there is none worthy to be worshipped, followed or obeyed EXCEPT Allah (swt), this earth does not belong to the kuffar that we should follow their way of life, it belongs to Allah and we should all follow His (swt) way of life.

Allah (swt) created us all whether Muslims or kuffar. He created all of our actions right or wrong, he created the entire earth and everything in it whether east or west, he created this island called britain and everybody in it, he created the continents and the seas. He is "lord of the east and the west", the king over all of mankind including 'queen' Elizabeth and the prime ministers and presidents.

He (swt) obliged upon us law and order according to His commands and He gave us all the free will to abide by it. However, that free will does not include the choice to do so or not, obeying Him will gain reward and disobeying him will gain you nothing but punishment. He (swt) is king above the world leaders and his laws are above all others and none have the right to be obeyed except His (swt).

UK was created by and belongs to Allah (swt), he is king over it all and he said in the qur'an "the way of life chosen for you by Allah is Al Islam" and if the British government and/or people do not like His way of life, then what right do they have to remain on the land of Allah (swt)?

Jazakh Allah

Some help for the oblivious:

Arabic = A language

Arab = An ethnicity

Muslim = A political/religious ideology
 

Charles: your original comment had two parts -

1: the name of the site contains a disgusting Arabic racial slur meaning “non-Muslim,”
2. that’s also used as a derogatory term for black Africans: Kafir Watch. (Hat tip: Norwegian kafir.)
It is possible to read it like that isnt it. In fact thats the most sensible way of reading it, no?

btw, is there a way my addy has been seen - it's only used here, and has been attacked with a virus attachment.

That is strange, isnt it?

oxfordboy--2things. Charles was not referring to Muslims as a race in your link--he just said that muslims use the racial slur, kaffir, as a derogatory term for black Africans. You've flipped the implication. Persons of black African descent asre obviously a race. Saying that the KKK uses racist slurs does not imply the KKK is a race.

re: Christianity used to be the most violent creed--20 times as many people were killed in every single 10 year timespan between 1914 and 1985 (1922-1931, e.g.) in the name of secularist movements who believe in the redeeming power of a strong central government as have been killed in the name of Christianity in all of history.

BTW, I see the immature name calling - 'tool' - that you encourage amongst your minions is part of your style, too. I take it that were I to fling poo at the lord high lizardoid - 'you tool!' - I wouldnt last that long, would I?

#106 oxfordboy

Shut up, tool. Your nose nit picking is really annoying.

BTW, any thoughts on the vicious jihadis and Jew haters at Kafir Watch? Or are you one of them?

Thom you cannot be reffering to the religion of peace there. The jihad is being waged by Bhuddists!

#102 JJ
According to My Cornish doctrine the muslims are invaders of Britain under the guns of the english and have no right to live there. Settlers occupiers and invaders...also hypocrites. I believe that it is within the right of any Cornish person to take the life of a muslim invader and we should remember that Jihad is obligatory upon all muslims and therefore ALL are legitimate targets. I have copnfronted certain muslims upon this and told them, their time is short...they said they were invited in, I replied not by me, then they tried to claim that everyone came from Africa...I said that is inot consistent with their teaching and I didn´t believe their fairy tale...I then told them to leave or face the vengeance...

BTW, oxfordtool -

btw, is there a way my addy has been seen - it's only used here, and has been attacked with a virus attachment.

Bullshit.

Nope, I am not one of them - read my post at 101. I actually take it upon myself to inform my friends, blogreaders and relatives about the threat from militant islam - to jews, to christians and atheists - in fact, to all non-muslims..

I'm just not racist, is all. I am so glad that Charles isn't either. Can't say that for the rsst of ya, but there ya go.

BTW, 107 Thom: telling people to shut up when they disagree - is that more typical of Islam, or democrats?

levi from queens: thank you, thats informative. I dont mean to be referring to 20th C. movements though - christianity has a very long and bloody history. As it happens, some of those bloody regimes you refer to had christian roots, tho - the Russian orthodox church and many german churches colluded in the antisemitic policies of their supposedly secularist governments. The minor fascists in Spain, Italy and elsewhere also had no problem in quieting the opponents in their lands who would have protected their compatriots.

Like some in this thread.

Who, by the way, may find it futile to send me viral attachments when disposable addresses take about 3 minutes to set up. If you think thats a strong accusation, you'd be right: no-one outside of LGF readers have that email address.

Shut down freedom of speech? That's kinda islamic, ain't it?

Thom: I'll forward the next one to you before I delete and report it then, for you to verify. OK?

oxfordboy: "Look at me! I'm important! The LGF wingnuts are trying to shut down my freedom of speech! Oooh! They're sending me viruses! Love me, daddy!"

Tool. And a self-debunking tool at that.

#110 Thom

Hotmail addys never get viruses...or spam for that matter. This is because most hackers and spammers have never heard of Hotmail, or that Microsoft thingy.

Therefore, any virus that finds it's way into a Hotmail address must have been sent by a Nazi/Jew/Lizard.

It's quite simple, really. Just don one of these, and it will all become clear.

/Duh!

#111 oxfordboy

What part of "shut up" have you failed to understand?

I'll forward the next one to you before I delete and report it then, for you to verify. OK?

<sarcasm>
Umm, sure. Why not? I can't think of a better proof that you're not full of crap.
</sarcasm>

And I thought Oxford was for smart people!

Now I guess it's a place for useless idiots to learn how to be useful idiots!

oxfordboy,

Feel free to come down for some re-education with a baseball bat. Free lesson for you!

Love

londongeezah!

Umm, sure. Why not? I can't think of a better proof that you're not full of crap.

So is it bullshit or crap? I couldnt actually forward it - so proving my fullocrapness - if it's bullshit, now could I? I think you'd rather not have it confirmed - it ensures that you can maintain the fiction that it didnt happen.

Thom 115:
re What part of "shut up" have you failed to understand?

BTW, 107 Thom: telling people to shut up when they disagree - is that more typical of Islam, or democrats?

How to protect freedom by destroying it! I thought we all agreed the best answer to bad speech is more speech.

#117 JWarrior 6/8/2004 08:21AM PST

oxfordboy,

Feel free to come down for some re-education with a baseball bat. Free lesson for you!

Love

londongeezah!

Classy. Try and learn to understand, now that you've learned to read. Putting on your bully boy cap does nothing for the credibility of your ideas, as many minor fascists (amongst others) have found out in the past.

PS: Your assumptions about my home town are lovely.

#118 oxfordboy

SHUT UP! For the love of Bob why doesn't this person shut up?! He just keeps yackin' and yackin' ...

Why don't you try Yahoo! Mail? They have a virus scanning system built in.

You could forward the email to me, with full headers intact and virus attached, if you weren't full of crap. Or are you just computer illiterate?

(Oops don't ask him questions or he'll never shaddap.)

Thom: try to pay attention, eh?

#112 oxfordboy 6/8/2004 08:07AM PST

Thom: I'll forward the next one to you before I delete and report it then, for you to verify. OK?

Charles: you demean yourself with such low level sarcsm. I don't think that my comments are sufficiently important enough to warrant action from malicious grade school debating opponents.

They did.

#109 Crusade Now

Easy there. Al Muhajiroun's line is insane, but threatening violence against all immigrants is not advisable either.

Re. oxfordboy

What is a troll?

1. Is he trying to take over the discussion? yes
...

I suggest you all ignore him

good grief, is that Oxonian boy here again?

I was all set to listen to his arguments until he left off the closing '[/b]' tag.

oxfordboy,

Putting on your bully boy cap does nothing for the credibility of your ideas

Credibility of my ideas? WTF? I haven't told you any of my ideas other than what I would do to twats like you that come to this site and fling pathetic accusations and half arsed, nit-picking arguments!

as many minor fascists (amongst others) have found out in the past.

If hating self-righteous, holier than thou, leftist moonbats like you, makes me a minor fascist then I guess I'm a minor fascist. Whodathunkit, eh?

Your assumptions are lovely too, hypocrite! At least I have actually been to Oxford! oh, and I don't go on websites to make a complete arse of myself like you!

Now I will refrain from feeding the trolls, even if they are the British commonal Garden variety!

The problem is that LGF doesn't have a Hyde Park soapbox for Oxonian-boy to stand on.

#121 oxfordboy

Fine with me. But you damn well better not monkey around with the headers.

#125 steve miller 6/8/2004 09:07AM PST

I was all set to listen to his arguments until he left off the closing '[/b]' tag.

Yh, that pissed me off so much I refuted my own bad self.

#126 JWarrior 6/8/2004 09:08AM PST
No comment.

Oxfamboy,

#126 JWarrior 6/8/2004 09:08AM PST
No comment.

Shame that wasn't your attitude before you posted on the site then we wouldn't have had to waste our time on you!

well, you show SOME signs of having a sense of humor.

#128 Thom™ 6/8/2004 09:09AM PST

#121 oxfordboy

Fine with me. But you damn well better not monkey around with the headers.

I think my formatting skills - as seen above - demonstrate my incredible levels of hackery. No, I wouldnt be able to monkey around with headers. I'm not sure why you would accept the offer, but i will warn you in advance - thats if it ever happens again. Actually, thanks for your offer of help - maybe it would be useful.

BTW, stevemiller - maybe you could just read what i posted before the formatting error, logically that would not put you off, no?

#132 oxfordboy

I am not an altruist.

1) I don't believe you received a virus;
2) Even if you did I don't believe it was sent to you by an lgf reader.

So I am, in effect, trying to prove you a liar. dB^þ

#122 JJ no they are not insane, it is their world view. Their minds have been poisoned by Islam but they are not insane. My world view is coloured by my history and experiences and what I see go on around me.

Why should I not threaten, my people were and are still killed (health in Cornwall is a joke because we don´t have sovereignty), expelled and refused re-entry. I get questioned regularly at Heathrow and my bags searched...the humiliation...If same had happen to them would they not do same? Some indigneous person should make andjam chaudrey etc an example to the other hypocrites there...in my time in London I didn´t look for fights but when the opportunity arose on a few occasions I released some frustrations about my immigration status as a Cornishman...There was one time some muslim at Finsbury Park bus stop said something to some jewish kid, but unfortunately I had my head phones on and didn´t have time to question the kid on what the muslim had said as he got on a bus. Still its not the fact that the muslim said something to a jew, its the fact that this stinking piece of shit can live on my land from which I am barred, and bring his fight here and bang on about Israel etc injustices etc and these things have ACTUALLY happened to me and from which he benefits from my DISPOSESSION.

If I had heard that comment, believe me that muslim and all who tried to help him would have been under the bus...You would have had a thread devoted to me...
Amazing that nothing happened in London while i was there. I had the motive, means and ¨insanity¨ to carry out my threats...

#56, reader:

I appreciate your response. Irshad Manji argues for the reformation of Islam. There ARE historical precedents, notably the Moorish Golden Age in which Maimonides (Rambam) and Averroes (Al-Rushd) flourished. I'm not an expert on the topic, so I don't know exactly what the Jews' and Christians' status as dhimmis would have been. I do know that they lived in peace and relative harmony, with a productive intellectual interchange--medicine, astronomy, philosophy, art, literature, architecture...a precursor of the Italian Renaissance. There was open dialogue. Theologians in each culture borrowed from each other. Yep, Judaism borrowed from Islam...the practice of secluding women behind latticework partitions in Orthodox synagogues is one legacy of this influence.

Is it possible for Muslims to really live in peace with non-Muslims? I guess it depends on which faction holds sway with its interpretation of the Koran and Islamic law: the Wahhabists or the liberals. We can help influence the outcome by supporting outspoken moderates, encouraging them, buying their books and sharing them, giving them public platforms and media coverage, etc.

I have hope. This is a Jewish attitude: one must never relinquish hope.

But we need not retreat one inch from our commitment to Israel's security and our ongoing battle against Islamofascism.

Looks like Saudi Arabia is reaping a bitter harvest now from its years of Wahhabist fanaticism. I feel sorry for the people who have had to live under this repressive regime. I just hope that the Iranian can overthrow the mullah-ocracy before Israel mounts a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear-bomb factories.

#64, Colt:

Yes, I'm aware that Walid Shoebat is a Christian. That's why I used the phrase "Arab/Muslim." That would, I trust, include Maronite Christians and others who are ethnically Arab but not Muslim. I know that there are Pakistani Christians too--one of the most persecuted and terrorized religious communities in the world.

#126 JWarrior 6/8/2004 09:08AM PST -

I didn't say that you were a fascist. You seem worryingly quick to self identify as one tho.

Don't feel that you have to waste time on me, anyway. If you think I'm a troll - ignore me.

the best answer to bad speech is more speech. Anti Defamation League

S'easy.

Crusade Now:

Look no one here is defending Islamo-fascism. But your tone is a bit concerning - let me give you an example, immediately after Sept 11th, a Hindu man was shot to death because he was mistaken for a Muslim. And, there are actually, believe it or not, Muslims who abhorre Al Muhajiroun and terrorism. they are too intimidated right now to make a stand, and that is a big problem. But, believe me on this one, blind rage leads to tragedy.

I am curious: How are you "barred from your own land" as you claim? How are you dispossed? Please expand.

And, with all respect, please come off it, no one in Cornwall is being killed or oppressed!

As for those Muslims who "bang on about injustices", they have absolutely nothing to say about the injustices caused by suicide mass murdering terror against Israeli civilians, or famine and mass slavery in Sudan...

ok, I take it back.

This one is even more disturbing:
Blair courts British muslims

What all Muslims know about Islam is that what Mr Blair finds unpalatable and a cause to be labelled militant and extreme (and would rather eradicate from the Qur’an) like Jihad and the need to govern by the Shari’ah wherever Muslims may be – are issues known from Islam by necessity which no Muslim can deny without committing apostasy.

Ok. All muslims know that you have to be extremist... And another quote:

social and economic incentives for Muslims by the moderates (read non-practising Muslims here).

Ok. If you are not blowing people up then you are a non-practicing Muslim?

...suddenly we find the Blair regime falling over itself to please the moderates lest the masses suddenly unite with these fundamentalists and turn Britain into an Islamic State!

And then let the stonings, beheadings, hand-chopping and wife-murdering begin!

-RBJ

My guess is that the only reason this group has not been rounded up and arrested by Scotland Yard is because they are using them to gain information about the part of the network that lies underground - the majority of it. AMJ is the ugly surface.

"Oh, for crying out loud!

Now we have "Linda S. Heard, Arab News" seething over Sharon's "unique" democracy, citing his maneuvers to give the Pals free housing--er, I mean a state!

Look at this raving--

It’s all down to demographics and the discrepancy in birth rates between Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories (six children) and Israelis (two). Even the most conservative estimates show that within 20 years, Muslim and Christian Arabs will outnumber Jews. Sharon wants to dismember Gaza from the equation in the hope that Israel can continue maintaining its Jewish character. At the same time, he does not want it to seem Israel has been forcibly pushed out as it, more or less, was from southern Lebanon. And hence his parting gifts to the people of Gaza: Mass demolitions, missile strikes and ruthless attacks on peaceful protestors.

Sharon knows that a two-state solution, with one state (his own) being infinitely larger and more puissant than the other cobbled-together mish-mash of Bantustans — a state in name without the game — is inevitable. The other alternative, which increasing numbers of Palestinians are calling for — is unthinkable: One state, comprising Jews, Christians and Muslim s in which Jews would eventually become a minority.

Does this personage actually believe that Arab Christians are going to *trust* their butcher--er, murderer--er, killers?

Got any "peaceful rocks" to lob in your purse, L. S. Heard? (Who, Islogically, should be neither neen nor...)

And what's with the "cobbled-together Bantustans?" I thought "Balestine" of the [Arabic language doesn't have a "P"] Ages traces its roots to the first Balestinian Islamist muslim dinosaur!

And "puissant"? Is that an extra-credit vocabulary word, or is it too dangerous to state clearly that Israel is more "powerful" than (fill in the blank--with G-d's help, they've won every war the Islamists have started against them.)

I tell you, I may just have to seethe in a corner...

/;^}

#137 JJ As an Australian citizen I am banned from living in the Uk. I tried to immigrate there, I was barred from owning property and from working. If this happened to you and you were aware of your peoples history, you might have a short fuse too.

People are oppressed there...

[Link: www.cornwallgb.com...]

[Link: ourworld.compuserve.com...] - look at Pro-cornish actions under John Angarrack who is taking the government to task for their oppression. People are being killed there as the indigenous Cornish have poor health ( due to lack of sovreignty). We are the english peoples summer serfs.

As for genocide...

The King being a mere child at the time, further orders were issued by the Lord Protector, the Earl of Somerset, and Archbishop Thomas Cranmer for the genocide of the Cornish people. Under Sir Anthony Kingston, English and mercenary forces moved into Cornwall and, in all, brought the slaughter up to 11% of its population before the butchery was stopped. With families deprived of their menfolk and livelihoods, the true figure of deaths caused by this barbaric crime accounted for 20% of the Cornish population. Proposals to translate the Prayer Book into Cornish were also suppressed. Those that had led the ethnic slaughter on England's behalf were richly rewarded. The Cornish Holocaust has, for years been omitted or glossed over by English "history" books but is now coming to light more publicly

[Link: www.bavidge.co.uk...]

It may surprise you but from that link...a nice summary

Cornwall's right to its own sovereign Parliament, and the powers it processes under the Charter of Pardon were confirmed as valid in British law by the then Lord Chancellor, Lord Elwyn Jones in 1977. The ramifications of this irrevocable Charter, in association with the Duchy Charters of Creation mentioned above, in respect of the Westminster government's (and its agents,) presence and actions are huge. In British law - a law that has been continually ignored and breached by England - no officer or agent of the Crown (this would include both Westminster and the Anglican Church) can legally set foot upon Cornish soil without the express and joint permissions of the Duke of Cornwall and Cornwall's Stannary Parliament. It can be immediately seen that such agencies as the Church of England, the Crown Prosecution Service, H.M. Customs and excise and H.M. Inspector of Taxes operate within Cornwall illegally.

So you are a Cornish seperatist? In which case your beef is with Westminister?

Anyway, as an Aussie doesn't your passport count as a commonwealth passport making moving to the UK easy?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway... I'm sure Cornwall has its fair share of problems, but, in the words of the Dude from the Big Lebowski, just take it easy, man...

commonwealth passport means nothing just like the c/wealth...Nope I can´t live there...I have seen aussies deported...

Central London has more Australians than Australia I think... it can't be that hard, finding a job, getting a visa, and eventually citizenship if you stay long enough. Then you could live in Cornwall.

142 crusadenow

#137 JJ As an Australian citizen I am banned from living in the Uk. I tried to immigrate there, I was barred from owning property and from working. If this happened to you and you were aware of your peoples history, you might have a short fuse too...

People are being killed there as the indigenous Cornish have poor health ( due to lack of sovreignty). We are the english peoples summer serfs.

Are you saying that you're an Australian of Cornish descent, and claim some sort of "right of return" to Cornwall? Is that's what's going on here?

It appears to be the case. My point is that if he really wanted to, he could probably live in Cornwall, there are plenty of Aussie immigrants in the UK who are naturalized British citizens...

#146, 147

Yes, you have to have found work in the UK (or be wealthy) before you come - like everywhere else in the world. You can't just move in and go on the dole.

I don't know about being wealthy, but yes finding work is a must, but there are plenty of jobs

(#135) Parpar

I've never written on a "day-old thread", so I don't know if this comment will take notice, if you will find this.

One of the contentions Irshad makes is that it is Islam which spawned the European Renaissance. On this I too am very skeptical, based on what I have read, although I have to add I am not a historian. This is sort of like saying Algebra, the number zero, Arabic numbers, the modern hospital, modern science and even democracy are Islamic in origin, all claims I have heard other Islamic scholars argue, when in fact none of them are.

As for the so-called Golden Age, that likewise appears another gross exaggeration. Here are some articles on this subject as well as the history of science:

dhimmitude

history of science

Serge Trifkovic on so-called Golden Age

Judeo-Christian origins of modern science

For books, I would include these:

The Beginning of Western Science: The European Scientific Traditions in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, 600 AD to AD 1450
David Lindberg [this is a great book]

How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs (1949)
DeLacy O'Leary

The Scientific Revolution and the Origins of Modern Science (2002) John Henry

The Sword of the Prophet
Serge Trafkovic [chapter 4 debunks Golden Age]

I'm glad you are keeping an open, inquiring, and critical mind. Beware of apologists and their arguments. Islam is rife with these, which are often taken and used as scripts by Muslims online. They infest the highest levels of academia. People need to bypass these intermediaries and go right to the scriptures to know Islam. If you also want to include a study of sharia, or Islamic law, the most critical source, beyond the hadiths, is the book:

The Reliance of the Traveller

Finally, ask yourself why is it only Irshad that you see on tv anywhere being critical of Islam proper? Why not Bat Ye'or or perhaps a Muslim apostate? The word "dhimmi" has yet to even put in appearance on tv. Its like the media is trying to tell us Islam does not have a history of slavery and Jim Crow-like laws, but they do, and ITS STILL FLOURISHING. This is a terrible injustice, but oh so typical of these politically disturbed times, where so-called fairness trumps truth.

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Any independently minded person, on reading the Koran and Ahadith, will perceive psychopathology. Mohammed's 'Allah' is his own dissociated ego; to be sure, bits of Judaic and Christian thinking are tacked onto the struggle - there are indeed parallels between the Koran and Mein Kampf, given the differences in culture. His efforts at founding a cult didn't work (they never do); to the end of his days he was terrified of dying, and of what he termed 'the torment in the grave'. That is sick. And it's no wonder that those who buy into these cultic texts have no understanding of, or love of, democracy.

The West's error is that it doesn't learn from history, and thus complacently takes democracy for granted.

I should have added in my previous post: his efforts at founding a cult didn't work for him.

Alas, they worked for a billion others. That's a tragedy.