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Russia Warned of Iraq Terror Attacks

Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 7:47:21 am PDT

Russian President Vladimir Putin says Russian intelligence warned the United States that Saddam Hussein was planning terror attacks in the US—after September 11: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam. (Hat tip: Power Line.)

ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, in comments sure to help President Bush, declared Friday that Russia knew Iraq’s Saddam Hussein had planned terror attacks on U.S. soil and had warned Washington.

Putin said Russian intelligence had been told on several occasions that Saddam’s special forces were preparing to attack U.S. targets inside and outside the United States.

“After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received information that the official services of the Saddam regime were preparing ‘terrorist acts’ on the United States and beyond its borders,” he told reporters.

“This information was passed on to our American colleagues,” he said. He added, however, that Russian intelligence had no proof that Saddam’s agents had been involved in any particular attack.

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1 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:49:42am

I'm amazed al-Reuters printed this!

2 Claudia  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:50:15am

The timing is curious. Putin maybe wants to continue dealing with a prez he knows...
C.

3 h0mi  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:50:19am

But he was a toothless, contained leader of a country that posed no threat to us! oil oil oil!

This war makes me so mad I could strangle a manatee blearagh!

4 [Engineer]  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:50:38am

La la la la la, I can't hear you

/LLL mode off

The press will bury this.

5 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:51:03am

Ha! Finally a FIRST!

(OK, I'll quit acting like a rookie now...)

6 BC  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:51:10am

NY TImes headline "Russian intelligence had no proof that Saddam’s agents had been involved in any particular attack"

7 h0mi  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:51:32am

Ah crap ... my "preemptive strike" faux html tags didn't take.

insert sarcasm tags liberally.

8 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:52:31am

Putin has seen today's cartoon at

www.coxandforkum.com

9 IWuvLGF  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:53:06am

This you can't bury.

That's it, folks. Game, Set and Match to W.

10 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:56:04am

Kudos to Vlad, at least on this point. This plus Cheney's smackdown of the New York Times could well turn the whole "No Link Between Saddam and Al Qaeda" thing into a huge embarassment for the press, rather than for Bush.

OT: reaganite--if you're out there, check your e-mail.

11 Necklace of shoes  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:57:30am

Kinda OT- From today's NY Daily News

"America's air defenses were aimed at stopping the Soviets and utterly "unprepared for the type of attacks launched against the United States on Sept. 11, 2001."

My letter to Editor

Newsflash for you. The Soviet Union has been disbanded. Repeat. Disbanded.

cc: Howard Dean

12 David Simon  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:58:21am

And planning terror attacks isn't a justification for going to war? Thanks a lot, Vlad.

13 Mary  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 5:59:36am

#2 Claudia

That was my feeling too. The timing and revelation is curious.

OT Anyone watching the Blair/Chirac showdown on the naming of a head of the executive European Commission? Do any Europeans have insight/opinions as to outcome?

14 IWuvLGF  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:01:42am

#12

It's OK -- of course Putin has to spew the "international law" drivel, that's expected.

But the antecedent is nothing less than a guaranteed November victory for W.

15 Joshin  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:03:07am

So why did Putin oppose the war again?

16 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:03:52am

#1 a soldier's dad

Roger that. I was equally suprised to hear it on a top-of-the-hr radio newscast (CBS, I think).

Godspeed to your son (daughter?).

17 rabidfox  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:06:24am

#15 - Bribes for oil, I think. Putin is acting smartly now, after all, Saddam is out of power and the US isn't. Where would you place your bets?

18 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:07:29am
19 grayp  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:08:19am
20 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:09:04am

#15 Joshin

Maybe because we play the nutcrackers all the time about his war in Chechenya and we criticize all the time Russia's alleged violations of human rights (of the same islamofascists who then attack us as soon as they get out of Chechenya...).

21 brent  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:09:48am

Michael Moore(backbaconplease) was on GMA(?) this morning, and funny thing - he never mentioned the Putin story.

He did say that Disney was trying to censor him, that his movie was not political, altho in a sense everything was political.

I think he said he was a big, fat liar, but maybe that was just his mouth moving.

It put me in a foul mood, need to never watch him in the morning. Or afternoon. You get the picture.....

22 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:09:58am

#14 IWuvLGF:

But the antecedent is nothing less than a guaranteed November victory for W.

I wish I could believe that. But I'm not betting my pension fund on it at this point.

Meanwhile, Andrew Sullivan approvingly quotes from a New Republic article by Paul Berman on the liberal internationalist critique of the Iraq war:

We could have applied the lessons of Kosovo, which would have meant dispatching a suitable number of soldiers. We could have protected the government buildings and the National Museum, and we could have co-opted Saddam's army--further lessons from Kosovo.

Uh, Andy? Just what the hell is this guy talking about? The "suitable number of soldiers" dispatched to Kosovo was approximately zero--pretty much the whole shootin' match was done from the air. The National Museum lost a grand total of, IIRC, 35 not-very-important pieces; surely if US troops had been killed because of a protect-the-museum mission, Berman would be writing "we could have protected our own troops, rather than some old pots." And I'm quite unfamiliar with our alleged successful "co-opting" of the Serbian army in Kosovo.

23 mad_scientist  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:11:17am

I am not a big fan of Putin, but he deserves Kudos for putting this info out there for the liberal media to choke on....if they even cover it that is.

24 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:11:29am

#18 WriterMom

Powell has received CAIR ? Is he crazy ?
Another battle that W doesn't fight: BOOT POWELL, BOOT POWELL NOW ! THAT MAN IS A DANGER !

25 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:11:45am

#17 the strong horse, rather than the one that's either dead and buried (OBL) or wearing prison jumpers (Saddam).

The timing may appear curious, but there were reports that the US was getting Russian intel prior to the US action in March 2003. Perhaps this is simply the highest level confirmation of that fact - and a not so subtle smackdown at the BS spewed by the mainline press (who appears to be taking the collective Koolaid/smoking weed/burning facts rather than reporting them).

I've come very close to putting my foot through my TVs, throwing them out the window, and ripping the radio out of my car when I hear the AP-driven stories about 'no connection' blathered ad nauseum, when anyone who reads the reports can read the exact opposite.

26 Bob with one O  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:13:07am

It's amazing how items come to light, with almost perfect timing, for GWB. I wouldn't want to play poker with that man.

27 brent  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:14:17am

#25 reads ?

Why would anyone want to read these things, Dan Rather will explain it all to us.

Really. Now take your pill, it's time for the Wheel...

28 rabidfox  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:14:47am
Intelligence reports of a link between Saddam and al Qaeda were part of Bush's rationale for the invasion of Iraq where more than 830 U.S. soldiers have died after 14 months of violence.

Sorry about the double post. I read the news in the Chicago Sun Times and I didn't notice that it had the snide little last line that the Reuters report had.

29 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:15:22am

I wonder if Russian intelligence also briefed our guys about the brand-spankin'-new Russian-made MANPADs that turned up in Iraq. Hmm.

30 LthrNck  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:15:40am

I think the Russian non-support for US actions in Iraq are a tit for tat answer to our standard line of non-support for military action in Chechnya without seeking a diplomatic answer... yadda yadda.

I may be wrong, I haven't seen any official statements from our state dept, but I can only imagine they contain the standard line.

31 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:17:10am

#16 brianstien

Thanks! That would be son (Engineer, Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger, Bronze Star w/ V device, and coming soon, maybe SF). Can you tell I'm proud of him???

;-)

32 selpaw  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:17:56am

18 WriterMom

US Muslims Discuss Foreign Policy With Secretary of State

What else is new? I thought Powell worked for the RoP all along. Sometimes it appeared to me that he was their spokesperson.

solicited their input


Like always! You want to see someone bend over backwards to the wrong people check out our Secretary of State.

This one I love:

America's image in the Muslim world, and the role American Muslims can play in helping to formulate polices that will improve that image."

Yah, they really want to improve America's image in the Muslim world......right. The only polices Muslims can help with is the one to make America look meaner and uglier.

Powell turns my stomach sour.

33 grayp  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:20:34am

#32 selpaw


You want to see someone bend over backwards

I think he's bending over in the other direction.

34 TMF  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:22:18am

Lets face it guys nothing less than:

1. Discovery of an enormous stockpile of WMDs

and/or

2. Smoking gun proof of Sadaams involvement in 9-11

will change the minds of the LLL re: the war. Frankly, I doubt either of the above would be enough. Actually, Im certain of it.

35 big L  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:22:20am

Great! We get our real news from the Moscow Times, instead of the New York Times...
Picture the New York Times masthead photoshopped as the "New Dork Times"....Or the
"Now Irrelevant Times".

36 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:22:59am

#31 a soldier's dad:

(Engineer, Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger, Bronze Star w/ V device, and coming soon, maybe SF)

Yep, just another one a' them slacker kids....

Sounds like you're doing a great job as a dad! You can be proud of both him AND yourself.

37 David Simon  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:22:59am

#31 a soldier's dad -

Can you tell I'm proud of him???

So are we.

38 IWuvLGF  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:25:01am

#20

More importantly, Europe has been playing the nutcrackers on Chechnya lately. Putin needs Bush's friendship.

#22

The MSM simply can't hammer W. on Iraq casus belli without looking like complete asses at this point. This isn't some hated neocon talking, it's the Russian pres.

This totally destroys many of Kerry's talking points.

Believe! ;)

39 Mary  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:25:37am

#19 grayp
Many thanks!

40 Bob with one O  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:26:47am

Soldier's Dad,
May God Bless you and your son (tear in eye).

Writer Mom,
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.

41 [Engineer]  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:30:26am

#25 lawhawk

ripping the radio out of my car when I hear the AP-driven stories about 'no connection' blathered ad nauseum, when anyone who reads the reports can read the exact opposite.

I put a CD changer in my car because the news on the way to work was driving my blood pressure up not to mention what it did to my driving.

Just about the only time I see or hear major media now is in the company cafeteria where they have CNN on.

42 Doss  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:30:54am

Hmmm. Would this be the same Russia that "provided Saddam with lists of assassins available for 'hits' in the West ?"
Is this the Russia that seems to be sliding back to authoritarianism as Putin closes independant media?
They're reverting to their Soviet form a little at a time and we should see Putin's statements through that prism. Looks like he's hedging his bets should W. be re-elected.

43 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:33:04am

#24 P.L

Crazy? I don't think so. Naive...unwilling to really look into the heart of darkness that is Islamicism.

44 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:34:09am

#40 Bob with one O

Interesting nic...

45 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:34:32am

One reason Russia probably opposed the war was the lesson of GW1. US made weapon systems, from tanks to attack aircraft, tended to be far superior to Russian made systems, and probably didn't help Russian sales any.

I think if the none MMM media can build this up big enough (Drudge, Hannity, Rush) at some point maybe Dan "$1000 a plate Democratic Party Fundraiser" Rather will be forced to mention it, at least in passing.


A boy can dream, anyway.

46 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:34:38am

Thanks Occasional Reader, David Simon and Bob!

47 billhedrick  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:35:05am

Putin is a pragmatic SOB. He also personally likes GWB, senses in him a kindred spirit. Vlad will do what's bes for Russia first and then he's got our back. As long as we realize that we'll be ok, as opposed to Chiraq who is a complete yutz.

48 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:38:06am
49 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:39:22am

#41 [Engineer]

I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one that is seeking to completely isolate myself from the media sources. I keep hoping that they would experience enough of a drop off in subscriptions/viewership/listening audience to shock them into reality.

50 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:40:49am

Not a word on CBS News web site.
Nothing on ABC News Website.
But it is on MSNBC.

Can CBS and ABC hold out if CNN and MSNBC run it?

Talk about heart-pounding suspense and drama!

51 Judith  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:42:17am

I'm really happy about this. GWB will suddenly get a huge boost if this isn't buried somehow. Might boost Harper in our elections too. I am no longer expecting a terror attack just before the Canadian elections. Harper would definately win then because he's walking around arguing for better action against terrorism and he's STILL in a good position to win. AQ wouldn't be that stupid.

Still, did anyone see that terrible recent peice in the Globe and Mail by Naomi Klein (of the 'I worship at the alter of St Rachel Corrie' crowd) saying Canada must avoid being hated by doing everything America doesn't do and that is our only possible salvation? It was in Tuesday paper I think. Such dhimmi drivel. Prainsing the wise people of Spain she learned their lesson and such. UGH! When the dhimmi suck=ups start squealing the threats maybe I do have something to worry about.

Powel. I still hope this is a good cop/bad cop routine.

52 Judith  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:48:15am
They're reverting to their Soviet form a little at a time

Nix that. Hubby dearest just got back from a trip to Moscow. The place has been transformed from the most depressing place he ever visited to a booming economic powerhouse just starting to wake up and feel itself. The people there enjoy their freedom but are largely too busy buying selling and consuming to care much about anything except local news. He reports little to nothing about what is going on in the reat of world reaching them and they know it can coulod care less, but the genie is out of that dictorships bottle and isn't going back in any time soon. Besides, those who want to know can get any news they want on line so who cares if the government controls the press?

53 Judith  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:49:03am

3/3? Love those new little footballs, Charles! So cute.

54 [Engineer]  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:51:26am

OT

I am wearing my "Don't Mess with Texas" polo shirt I got from Infidel Apparel (See top right of this page) and I have been getting lots of good comments about it at work.

55 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:52:13am

Judith-I posted that article by Naomi Klein that bitch a few days ago. I'll try to find it. It was, even for her, a new low.

56 [Engineer]  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:54:27am

#53 Judith

Love those new little footballs, Charles! So cute.

They sure are, plus they help spot the trolls since you have to be registered to get one.

57 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:54:55am
58 IWuvLGF  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:57:37am

"Russia opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, but Putin said the issue of going to war was separate from a potential Iraqi threat. He said there were international norms that weren't observed in carrying out the war.
"

Ouch.

59 nickberg aka razorburn  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:58:21am

I believe there are a few iraqi agents doing time in a Kuwaiti prison for a bungled attempt to detonate a car bomb in the vicinity of #41 back in '93. That clearly establishes a link between saddam and terror attacks against the US. Had the predecessor to #43 had the stones his wife has, we would have resolved the iraqi problem back then.

60 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 6:58:38am

Judith,

I gave up reading the Mop and Pail precisely because they publish drivel by the likes of Klein and Suzuki and Simpson.

BTW, I can't wait for the howls of anguish we're sure to hear in November when W. renews his lease on the White House. I also have the feeling that the LLL's would be more upset with a W. victory than normal people would with a win for JFK.

61 halldor  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:04:14am

Just a totally cynical manoeuvre by Putin to ingratiate himself with Bush, and with an influential sector of US public opinion.

For an analysis of the true picture in Russia today, see FrontPage Magazine:

KGB Resurrection

Vladimir Bukovsky: The rest is recent history which most would remember. Explosions of apartment blocs in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia, (blamed on Chechens but obviously caused by the FSB), a "small victorious war" in Chechnya, which still goes on and has turned into a genocide (but still continues to fuel Putin's rating), closure of all independent mass media in Russia, attack on independent businessmen, a Stalin-type atmosphere of xenophobia and spy-mania, first political prisoners, strict censorship and a prevalent fear in the country. KGB is in power again, with all the consequences it entails.
But this time, it cannot be justified even by a crazy ideology, and there is no control over it by any ideological body. What used to be done for the glory of an idea, of the World Socialist Revolution, is done today for the sake of a personal ambition of few non-entities, and of a corporation called KGB. And this time around, it is much easier for them to murder their opponents in a dark lane than to put them into Gulag. Cheaper and easier. As Josef Stalin used to say: "No man - no problem".
62 CyberPinoy  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:06:50am

Bush needs to lose the dhimmi Powell. From day 1, he was the great Muslim appeaser.

I'm tired of this "Islam is Peace" nonsense that Powell and the rest of the State Department Arabists are pushing.

KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE.

63 Lyana  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:09:02am

#24 Poitiers-Lepanto

Sometimes I wonder if Powell and some the stuff that gets us so annoyed is simply a diversionary tactic on the part of the Bush administration to keep CAIR et al just a little off their backs while they engage elsewhere.

We keep hearing about Bush being a mean poker player, and I'm hoping that if this is a good cop/bad cop charade, we'll be able to drop it soon (after re-election?) and get down to the business of winning this war.

64 FabioC.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:18:27am

I don't know the details of the latest catfight at the head of the EU, but something's quite sure: the EU is not as united as some Euro-dreamers believe. Especially, many countries are pissed off by the tentatives of France and Germany to gain egemony.

There are positive aspects in the Union, but they are being buried by the negative ones.

65 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:23:11am

#63 Lyana

I don't know. Maybe you are right.

My problem is that the Administration is not building the strong public opinion that we will need for the years to come.
Diplomacy and apologies aren't a good substitute for the "blood and tears" speech that we has never been delivered.

This war will not end in a few years, it will go on for a long time and this Administration is not making clear who the enemy is and what attitude we will need.

Because of that, even the hopes in a second term are today pretty shaky...

66 Daybrother  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:29:26am
67 halldor  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:34:51am

#66 Daybrother


LOL

68 Baldy  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:39:17am

Here's the AFP story: Russia Warned US That Iraq Was Planning Post 9/11 Attacks: Putin (AFP/Yahoo News)

Putin's surprise comments came just two days after a September 11 commission in Washington concluded there was no link between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda, one of the pretexts used by US President George W. Bush for the Iraq invasion.
69 Lyana  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:40:01am

#65 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'll second that - they've got to figure out a way to get around the media disinformation/spin - Fireside chats, maybe? Bush seems to have gotten more direct in his speaches of late. As things are, there's no way that a person whose only news intake is the national media is going to have an accurate picture of what is at stake.

The enemy must be named; my blood froze yesterday when I read the the numbers you put up re: the "tiny minority of extremists" - TWENTY times the size of our entire armed forces, on the low side of the estimate!!! Only when we're hearing things like that from the Administration, and are continually exposed to the horrific nature of life under Islam, will people begin to understand the gravity of the situation and the years of sacrifices it will take to see it through.

70 Geepers  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:40:03am

Poitiers-Lepanto (#65),

My problem is that the Administration is not building the strong public opinion that we will need for the years to come.

And how would you suggest that this administration go about that? Seriously.

71 brent  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:41:20am

#48

CNN may be reporting it, but they're doing their best to not discredit the 9/11 commission's findings.

Obviously this all started AFTER 9/11.

Move along......

72 brent  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:42:40am

#71 oops

The warnings were provided after the 9/11 attacks and before the start of the Iraqi war, said Putin.

CNN made sure to frame the time window so that it was POST 9/11.....


73 Blue Falcon  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:50:01am

The story has now made MSNBC, CNN, and Fox. The NYT, LAT, etc. can now collectively choke on this story.

74 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:54:54am

#70 Geepers

Well, the Administration must be very prudent in the choice of words in any case but I think that during the speeches of Mr. Prez there should always be a map of the world behind him, where he could show the front of the "islamists" attacks.
The front is actually...everywhere.
He could start using true words, like "WORLD WAR".

He needs not to declare war to "Islam", but he could make very clear that (as we were saying some days ago), a "tiny minority" of ONE per cent of the muslims is still 12 million persons.

He could start explaining that with our best effort we can't even imagine that the threat will disapppear in a few years, given its size and diffusion.

He could call things with their true names, instead of using a strict diplomatic jargon:

take the example of today: wouldn't be nice to go on television and ask why NO muslim spiritual leader is calling for the life of the hostage in Saudi Arabia to be saved ?

Every day he is losing precious occasions of building, in the American mind, the complete image of what is happening.
Because he's afraid to be "scary".
He should be scary not to be scary ENOUGH.

75 Judith  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:58:45am

BBC is posting the story too. Hilarious. 'Iraq was planning something but no one knows if Saddam knew.'

Nothing from Al Jazeera but they are reporting that his wife has picked a lawyer for him.

Thanks for the link writer mom but I don't think I could stomach reading it a second time. Anyone needing a nonoral version of syrup of ipecac should definately check it out though. Poison control should keep a file of her readings to read over the telephone for emergencies when people don't have it in the house.

76 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 7:59:49am

Poitiers-Lepanto (#65)

My problem is that the Administration is not building the strong public opinion that we will need for the years to come.

Bingo. The administration's PR efforts have always been abysmal, and it's gotten worse in the wake of the Fleischer & Hughes departures.

How hard can it be to issue regular reports on all the positive accomplishments in theater? The White House seems uwilling to lift a finger to counter the L3 media spin. It's mystifying to me.


[Engineer], a soldier's dad

I can't remember the last network newscast I watched. Within a year of 9/11, I discovered that I was getting 80-90% of my news from the net. For the most part, I ignore broadcast entirely (except for the really big stories: Reagan funeral; Saddam capture, etc).

77 [Engineer]  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:03:44am

#66 Daybrother

Hey! I'm getting one too. Is it well made? You like it?

Not bad quality, not as good as my Ralph Lauren's ones, but OK. I am going to order a second one, probably the "Don't tread on Me"

78 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:04:24am

#75 Judith

no one knows if Saddam knew.

So now we finally know why he was torturing so many people. He was desperately trying to be informed about what was really happening in the country, poor man.

The media are the enemy.

79 paul  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:05:29am

And so, the slow drip of info continues.
"Saddam was not a threat!" Lie.
"Saddam was not an imminent threat!" Now, clearly a lie.
"No WMDs!" Lie. Serin found. Nuclear program exposed by October.
"No Saddam/AQ link!" Lie.
"No Saddam/AQ/9-11 link!" Probably will be proven a lie.

80 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:07:17am

#77 [Engineer], #66 Daybrother

This might be a nice addition to your wardrobes. It works nicely in mine...

81 andthenblammo!  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:09:05am

I'm just posting to see the football next to my name.

82 HULUGU  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:13:12am

i'm looking into this man's soul and i'm liking what i'm seeing--now if he'd only admit that "rogue" russian intelligence agents helped the sad man hide his wmd in syria--we'd get a double double--but the russkies are not stupid--they've probably concluded that they are going to have to deal with gwb and his progeny for a long time and want to get in on his good side--not to mention sucking up to the new iraqi government so it can get its share of oil contracts--which would not be available to unreconstructed past friends of the baathists--not for nothing are the russians the best chess players in the world

83 Lyana  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:15:05am

#79 paul

For that crowd, I guess whats-his-face's picture in a big mural with planes crashing into buildings wasn't a good enough link... Oh - must have been painted POST-9/11 - and it was his minions who did it for him (as a birthday surprise, no doubt), to show the glory of the great Saddam! GAG!

Even if he wasn't in on the original planning, isn't there something about "accessory after the fact"?!?

Arrrggh! These people make me mad!

84 Geepers  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:15:11am

Poitiers-Lepanto (#74),

Good ideas all.

Can we get you a job in GW's Public Affairs office? :-)

85 Daybrother  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:15:21am

#77 [Engineer] 

Thank you very much.


#80 brianstien

I'll look into it..

86 imtoast  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:18:54am

Fox talkied about the Catapillar letter from Ziegler. They said (Fox) the UN denied that they had anything to do with the "letter" and that Ziegler is unpaid and has his own agenda....huh?

87 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:22:43am

#80 brianstien

Love thoseshirts! I've got the "Freedom Tour" one and the "Bush 2004 - W branding the donkey" one and they always get grins and approval nods from conservatives and looks that can kill from LLLs. It's a great way of telling where people stand.

88 Daybrother  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:23:45am
no one knows if Saddam knew.

Exactly how much information is he providing anyway? Surely someone has asked him...politely...or is that against the Geneva Convention...("And then the filthy Americans asked him over and over about his weapons, and refused to provide him with medicinal hashish or couscous...turned OFF his 'faces of death' video at midnight...)

89 paul  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:32:22am

#83 Lyana

Arrrggh! These people make me mad!


I know, it's totally frustrating. But supposedly the slow trickle of info is timed to crest just in time for Nov. Smells like Rove.

Supposedly even action against Iran is being postponed until after the election, since any IDF attack or economic blockade would send oil prices through the roof in the runup to elections. It's a dangerous game, and it's maddening.

90 HULUGU  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:32:55am

we also have bush being introduced today by his good buddy john mccain--all in all a bad day for the libs

91 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:33:50am

#87 a soldier's dad

I bought mine shortly after this encounter.

92 HULUGU  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:36:02am

also a very big deal today was the pakis killing nek mohammid in wana--this guy was the worst and a big ubl protector--its major

93 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:38:10am

OT - Just heard a radio report that Paul Johnson has been beheaded.

94 paul  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:39:49am

American beheaded
Guess the Saudis didn't care enough to lift a finger.

95 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:41:06am

#91

I bet we could have some fun in that little coffee shop (at least until the police was called in...)!

#93

Oh, no!

96 a soldier's dad  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:41:12am

#91

I bet we could have some fun in that little coffee shop (at least until the police was called in...)!

#93

Oh, no!

97 zulubaby  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:41:37am

Poor guy :-(

98 Lyana  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:41:54am

#93 brainstien

Tears here - WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP THIS?!?!

99 brianstien  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:46:59am

Agonized condolonces to his family.

G-d help and keep them.

100 zulubaby  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 8:47:11am

HULUGU (#92)

also a very big deal today was the pakis killing nek mohammid in wana--this guy was the worst and a big ubl protector--its major

What's that about?

101 Darth_Rummy  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:02:31am

Beheading now top story on NYT (as it should be) but still no sign of Putin.

102 HULUGU  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:03:54am

zb--nek mohammid was a taliban associate and a very big deal in the jihadi movement in the nwfp province in waziristan--he was all about allahu ackbar and death to infidels-now he's taking the sand nap--very important because it shows that finally musharrif is serious and has taken off the gloves

103 Beagle  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:06:35am

Putin is in a very difficult situation. Decades of Communism and repression leave scars long after the actual damage. He has problems with citizens who long for the glory of Stalin.

Hey, wait a minute.........

104 zulubaby  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:27:10am

HULUGU, thanks. I'm a bit suspicious of Mushy but whatever the case, this is good news.

105 Beagle  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:36:10am

#74 Pointers-Lepanto

I can't help but notice that President Bush should have a pointer for that. If he makes one mistake on geography, we'll have to argue it for weeks. Al Franken will assault the White House.

106 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:49:04am

Hi guys:

Thank you Charles for the football, just heard on Fox that Mr. Johnson has been beheaded, and I'm saddened by another American that has died due to terrorism. What is the soulution? I don't want the draft, however, it's time that we install it again, now, I'm against this, but in light as to how 'short' we are in military manpower, it's a step in the right direction, the downside is we may lose GW, and I don't really care what anyone thinks, he IS the only game in town.

I believe that we as the United States, need to put the ME on notice that we are coming like a force they have never seen, ALLAH will be a fiction of their imagination, when we strike! Al Quiada better get ready for their virgins and "whatever", here we come and YOUR DEAD!!!

107 Right Brain  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:50:33am

I have wondered all along why Senator Kerry has backed off any serious criticism of the war or the lack of weapons of mass destruction. I suspect this bit from the Russians is just the beginning of a torrent of information that is about to be given to the public by the present adminstration. That Putin waited until the day after the 9/11 commission released its results must be orchestrated, its just too handy not to have bee.

108 mika.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 9:54:12am

I think the Russian non-support for US actions in Iraq are a tit for tat answer to our standard line of non-support for military action in Chechnya without seeking a diplomatic answer... yadda yadda.

I've always felt that greater cooperation with the Russians in combating the Islamocysts is in our best mutual interest. Too bad there are still very many people in positions of power that can't see past their old cold war prejudices. Ending our support for NATO will help shift needed resources towards this new war as well as help Russia feel more comfortable regards our intentions. It might also help Europe become more appreciative of our presence (or lack of presence). Perhaps even plug some of the anti-American propaganda emanating from the political class there......

109 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:00:40am

#103 mika:

I agreee with you, if I understand it right the UN should be abandoned by the US, after all they are nothing but a comforting grandmother to nations in trouble, in other words just talk.

110 chris_l  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:05:44am

Al Franken? Who is this Al Franken? Is he some sort of fringe radio personality or something?

It is sad that the MSM would use terms like "tiny minority" in regard to the radicals in the RoP but they would never use the same phrase to describe Air America Radio's audience.

111 Frank IBC  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:08:58am

The LLLs who are denying the connections between Iraq and Al-Qa'idah probably denied that Darth Sidious and Senator Palpatine were one and the same, in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, unitil the very end of the movie.

112 Frank IBC  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:13:29am

So Kerry's going to be deprived of both the war and the economy as issues in his campaign.

Kinda reminds me of an SNL skit 24 years ago - Carter and Ted Kennedy were debating. Kennedy was instructed by one of Carter's aides that due to the hostage situation in Iran, he was prohibited from bringing up foreign policy. And domestic policy, too.

Teddy asked "so what am I allowed to talk about?"

The Carter aide said: "Joan and Chappaquidick".

113 mika.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:39:00am

#109

Yes, the UN as well. The UN has done nothing to promote democracy around the globe, and worse, it has helped legitimatize illegitimate autocratic juntas everywhere. I would much rather see the funding that now goes to support the UN go towards helping legitimate democratic regimes, particularly those with emerging markets to help them solidify their economic/political position. Either that, or we start suspending membership to those member states represented by these thugs. This, I think, would send a good message to the Chinese folk as well, and help their reformers better fight against the entrenched commie apparatchiks…..

114 windbrother  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:42:55am

It's funny, it just struck me. All of the talk about how 9/11 couldn't have been foreseen. It's hilarious. Tom Clancy foresaw the use of airplanes as weapons - years ago. Peopl are idiots.

115 Bleeding heart conservative  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:43:48am

As I think back to the early days of the war, and the full-frontal assault the media launched on the Administration... i recall the blogosphere asking, "why doesn't Bush talk more about the ties to terror?" Mylroie and Stephen Hayes and Cliff May all asked that question too.

I always got the feeling "the truth was out there." That there was something they knew, that for some reason they could not say.
It appears that Bush and Cheney could not talk about Russian intelligence, probably due to some specific request from them: they may have deep cover agents working to expose terror links with the Chechnyans, or some other risk. (Maybe even a perfidious link.)

Putin's public declassification of this intel, I believe, was a result of the G8 summit. Wait for the LLLs to declare this info from Putin a lie, a quid pro quo boost to Bush for some economic gain. They won't take that a step further and consider that we may have bribed him, but not to lie, but to admit the truth.

Think about Bush's inelegance before the press gaggle. Think about his hesitancy when Sawyer kept digging about the unfound WMD stockpiles, and Russert. If you were constantly trying to find a way to express the essential facts without betraying a classified source, to keep a confidentiality, wouldn't you squirm?

Guile-less people have a hard time with this... some people aren't good salesmen, some could never be intelligence agents. Knowing how to crat your speech with manipulative but factually correct language is a skill of the dissembler.
That Bush is bad at it is testimony to his instinct to speak his mind. He wants to tell Diane Sawyer to kiss his ass, that Russian intelligence (and others we'll find out about later) reported Saddam's intent to use terror as a war by proxy, and that 9-11 gave him more ideas... but all he can do is sputter, grimace, tense up,and then say: "America is safer without Saddam Hussein." He exhales, knowing this is true, but he can't flesh it out without exposing secrecy.

116 Frank IBC  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:52:19am

#113 Mika -

The UN has done nothing to promote democracy around the globe, and worse, it has helped legitimatize illegitimate autocratic juntas everywhere

The UN was doomed in the start, when the Soviet Union was included in it.

117 mika.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 10:52:22am

#114

That kinda stuck me as well. I distinctly remember an interview I’ve seen, on MSNBC I think, (though not by him) regards this very scenario. And it was prior to 9/11.

118 mika.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 11:03:04am

#113

Yes. But now there is a chance for reform. I think. And reform in the UN could perhaps help isolate the current Chinese regime. I know the Russians and Indians will be game for that. :) So I would include India as a permanent member and drop France. One EU representative should be a plenty. :P

119 mika.  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 11:04:25am

ooopsy #113 --> #116

:)

120 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 11:07:33am

#117 mika:

I again concur with you, we seem to be on the same wave link, we as a Nation need to take this problem seriously,wether it be in a farm feeding chickens, or living in a high end apartment in some big city, what I'm trying to say is get prepared folks, they are coming to get us, and Homeland Seccurity is a good tool to follow

121 SwampWoman  Fri, Jun 18, 2004 11:29:30am

FWIW, a person I know has a couple close family members that work at No Such Agency. She told me that they both consider Mr. Powell a fine, honorable man that knows exactly what the score is re terrorism.

122 Chuzzlewit  Sun, Jun 20, 2004 9:17:40am

I'm not a big fan of Powell either. But his purpose is to play "reasonable cop"...

Between Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, Wolfy and GWB, I think we have a pretty good representation for the "tough cop" side..


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