The oily Fwench. Gak

That's how many dead Jews for a million barrels of oil?

Let's all go to France to pee.

OT, but why do the archives only show this month?

Speaking of the French

Former French PM Calls Balfour Declaration "Historic Mistake"

I nominate French bureacrats and profiteers to have descendants who are apes and PIGS.

On the other hand, it could be a zionist conspiracy, I'm 95% sure of that.

Perfect day for my "Fuque le French" t-shirt :-)

#5:

That's a good one.

Where did he want to jews to go after the europeans failed in exterminating them?

Paladin, LOL!

#5 Amir

The proper response to that should be Former President Bush saying 'liberating France was a mistake.'

Man are the frogs gonna be pissed when they discover hating Jews isn't enough to get somebody off the dhimmi list.

They are amoral and disgusting. But, should we really be surprised? This simply follws that pattern.

They cannot be trusted as allies.

OT

From Townhall.com this really excellent apology to the Arab world.

Read and enjoy.

+Photi

#8 john5z

He didn't want the europeans to fail.

But where are the signs "TotalFina Out of Iran"?
Where is the outrage?

#11 Photi

Good one. Thanks for the link.

amir (#5)

The French government reported this month 180 incidents of attacks or threats against Jews or Jewish-owned property since the start of 2004. France, with just over 60 million people, has an estimated five million Muslims and 600,000 Jews - the largest numbers of both populations in Europe.

I'm 95% sure of it that the French can go phuck themselves.

Israel is a "unique and abnormal condition," he said, "because it was created with a promise, and [because] millions of Jews gathered from all around the world, creating an entity that continues to pose a threat to its neighbors until today."

Can you believe this!? What are we going to do, throw bagels at them?

Quid Pro Quo
Moore derides Canadian Conservatives
Liberal Party of Canada applauds

If on June 28 Canadians do elect a Conservative government, Moore predicts there will be “dire consequences.”

8 days until Election.

Screw 'em.

Which is a nice seque to this OT post:

Bloggers to Attend Political Convention

Some of the bloggers seeking credentials say their coverage plans involve little more than going where the mood takes them. Their personal accounts are unfettered by editors — and most don't pretend to be objective.

"We don't have those constraints, which provides for more colorful coverage," said Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, whose Daily Kos is among the most visited political blogs. "If I want to use profanity in a post, I'll use profanity."

Moulitsas, a 32-year-old from Berkeley, Calif., who has applied for Democratic credentials, said he would "probe and pry and look in corners that the political press isn't looking."

Well, we all know that much is true.

Never mind that they'll sell out Western civilization to the so-called Axis of Evil for a few Francs.

What really bothers me is that the French don't like us now because of Bush! I want them to like us even if it kills us!

/LLL opinion synopsis

zulu #15

95% LMAO

A week or two ago this appeared in the Seattle Times and it seems nobody took notice:
France's determination to boost ties with Beijing paid off yesterday with visiting Chinese officials...

In addition, French police have arrested dozens of members of the Falun Gong spiritual movement that is outlawed in China. France banned the group from a Chinese New Year Parade in Paris.

Did anyone expect anything better?

Remember how, some months ago, they treated that Syrian who had previously been tortured by Assad's regime. That also ended up in a trade agreement.

So is the stupid white man going to do a "documentary" on the corruption of TotalFinaElf?

#17, Gnida

Breaking News: Stephen Harper elected Prime Minister of Canada and issues an immediate fatwa against MM.

#16

It's when I read such crap, that I think Israel should wage an all-out war and take as much lad as she can, because Jew-haters despise the very essence and existence of Israel, not her size and politics.
So why show restraint, when it's going to change nothing?

But then, there are still many reasons to prefer peace to war.

john5z, I have been giggling about 95% for two days now. Everything is 95%! LOL.

France sold out its own people during two world wars. Why should anyone be surprised they would sell out "foreigners?"

take land, not lad...

#17

When I left Canada about 20 years ago, the Conservatives were to the left of the US Democraps, then Canada had the Liberals and then the Canadian New Democraps who were members of the socialist international.

What does Moore want, Stalin in power?

OT - Police surround home in search for kidnappers of American; al-Qaida cell says security assisted abduction

Meanwhile Sunday, the al-Qaida cell behind Johnson's killing and a number of other recent attacks on Westerners in the kingdom detailed the abduction of the American, saying it was helped by sympathizers within the Saudi security forces.

I can't wait to see that fu**ing country destroyed by it's own creation.

FabioC. (#13),

But where are the signs "TotalFina Out of Iran"?
Where is the outrage?

Oh yeah. And any day now there's also going to be a huge demonstration in Paris about how these people have been illegally detained.

I mean they are so outraged about terrorists being "illegally detained" at Gitmo, this travesty will probably have them calling for a general strike against the government.

Don't forget then, the glass is 5% empty!

French = descendants of PIGS

All you have to do to understand the French is look at how they treated their own parents and grandparents last summer. What was it, over 18,000 died from lack of air-conditioning?

But there is good news concerning France.

EU offers conditional backing for Israel's pullout from Gaza: French FM

Egypt has offered to send up to 200 personnel to the Gaza Strip to train a 30,000-strong force to maintain security in the territory during and after next year's promised Israeli pullout.

If Israel needs to reconquer Gaza (which it will need to do), the Paleatinians will have been trained to surrender.

Amir #33

Paleostinkians that surrender are 95% zionist 5% of the time I'm sure.

It's 1204, do you know where your corrupt French are?

800 years of no learning. France's greatest accomplisment.

Listen to the rhetoric of former French PM Rocard that mimics the language of his Muslim masters: "Israel is a "unique and abnormal condition," he said, "because it was created with a promise, and [because] millions of Jews gathered from all around the world, creating an entity that continues to pose a threat to its neighbors until today."

So in his mind, Israel is an abnormal condition, like a tumor. A (Zionist) "entity" that threatens its neighbors (who have been the aggressors in war after war against it). It owes its existence to the Europeans (who tried to exterminate the Jews) and to a piece of paper (the Balfour Declaration - which the British essentially reneged on anyway when they blocked Jewish immigration after WW2), not to the labor and sacrifice of the citizens and soldiers who actually built and defended the nation.

This is exactly the rhetoric of the mad mullahs and the despots of the middle east, right down to the choice of words.

That this man was a Prime Minister of France brings shame on that nation. That he is a member of the EU Parliament brings shame on all of Europe.

amir, did you see this?

IDF envisions 'remote control' border with Gaza

The Israeli army envisions a "remote control" border with the Gaza Strip after a troop withdrawal, including unmanned patrol cars and computerized observation posts that would automatically spot and kill attackers, a military official said Friday.

The technology already exists, but the plan hasn't been approved yet, and other options are also being considered, the official said on condition of anonymity.

Although a pull back from Gaza might be taken as a sign of weakness, a few clusters of howitzers ready and willing to retaliate in case of any attack from Gaza would be a good mitigant.

Any foreign observers in the wrong place could then be nominated as a St. Tidbit.

Speaking of France

France looks to Israel for technological leadership.
Or. France not to declare war on microsoft (a shame really, since France would lose (or surrender)).

'We are not starting a war against Microsoft,' says Civil Service Minister Renaud Dutreil

Marois said he believes the German, Israeli and Malaysian governments also envision moving to open-source software.

If anyone was wondering, Israel wasn't declaring war against microsoft either.

#21 Barry
The French also held joint naval exercises with the Chinese a couple months ago (provacatively timed just before Taiwanese elections).

Make that provocative.

#17 Gnida

Re Canadian elections and the current lead of the conservatives.

Quotes from the pro-terrorist, anti-semitic, anti-American politicians in Canada

A sample:

Carolyn Parrish, Liberal Party of Canada, Member of Parliament:

"Damn Americans … I hate those bastards" Press event, Ottawa, Feb 26, 2003
*
“[Palestinian terrorism] is a question of an occupied people who must resist by any means possible”.
*

The question for the Canadians, essentially, is do they want to be Americans or do they want to be French? I suspect looking down the road many Canadians--even liberals--can see that the central European path, as dominated by the Franco-German power base, is headed for a disaster in terms of Islamic immigration importing fundamentalism and all of its totalitarian tendencies and anti-Semitism.

#37 zulubaby

I saw it but don't know what to think of it. What do you think of it?

(pause)

I thought about it.

I think the most accurate statement from the article is:

other options are also being considered

amir, I think the whole thing is a disaster waiting to happen and I hope I'm completely wrong about it. I don't agree with the pullout from Gaza and I never have but I acknowledge that I may not fully understand it.

“[Palestinian terrorism] is a question of an occupied people who must resist by any means possible”.

Sometimes I wonder if there is any atrocity committed by Palestinians which would be so horrific that the LLLs would stop supporting them.

I intend to ask this question to an el cubo in the future.

Blah, blah, blah, terrorism, blah, blah, blah, oppression, blah, blah, blah, no weapons, no other choice, blah, blah, blah.

Just exactly what kind of atrocity would cross the line, eh?

I rather suspect that, to these folks, the "occupation" is an excuse for ANY behavior, no matter how barbaric.

testing

Zulubaby

If you only understood what kind of hell hole Gaza is, you might agree to the pullout.

Gaza is a death trap for Israelis... about 95% of the time.

We must pullout and envision the remote controled border. Use robots as crossing guards, employ cameras, digicams, infrared, night vision, and those kick ass machine guns that fire if a dogfart hits it the wrong way.

To all:
That statement about the historical mistake was allegedly made by Michel Rocard, former French premier, as reported by the egyptian paper Asharq Al-Awsat. Rocard had vigourously denied that. It looks like the Egyptians tried a nice little scam.
Rocard is, IIRC, not a deadly foe of Israel. This kind of sentence could have been said by other French politicians or journalists, but privately.
I very much doubt that they would dare to say it publicly. during an interview they perfectly know would be retranscribed.

Ah, and I am surprised that the French human rights league (LDH I suppose) publicly criticised the gov't policy towards Iran. They are typical LLL morons. They did not demonstrate during the big march against antisemitism 2 months ago, because they wanted the demonstration to be against all kinds of racisms. They are as supportive of Israel as, say, Oxfam.

Testing. Excuse please.

#42, a noble vision

From your link, this is why we need regime change in Canada ASAP.

Scroll down at your own risk.

Testing

I was looking at some art that depicted Paris and the French countryside.

I wish they weren't such a-holes so that I could visit.

The only French entity I accept into my home is Pepe Le Pew... and I accept him reluctantly.

testing, sorry

zulubaby

When Oslo broke out I was serving in the reserves at the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel.

Everyone was elated.

The Israelis I served with said that Palestinians would no longer be coming into Israel and they will no longer serve there during reserve duty.

The Palestinians I met, said the crossing would be taken down and they would be given free access into Israel.

I guess everyone was wrong.

The present dissengagement plan is an illusion as well. Sharon is very disappointing.

BTW, the Erez crossing reopened today for the first time since Yassin was dealt with.
I guess the suicide bombing is around the corner (God forbid)

#55 AG in Houston

The only French entity I accept into my home is Pepe Le Pew... and I accept him reluctantly.

My son likes to watch Lilo and Stitch, the Series. There's this bad guy, a little rabbit dude with a crazy faux-French accent...

Lilo and Stitch I welcome into my home with open arms.

From the number of tests, it seems other people are experiencing the same problem as I am. It seems to work if you preview before posting.

Amir

You were at the crossing when I was serving in Gaza.

Our paths might have crossed in the early to mid nineties.

It appears other registered people weren't able to post earlier either.

FabioC: I guess big oil companies are only bad when they're American and begin with the letter "H."

Well, as P.J. O'Rourke says (and I know I quote the man alot, but he has an uncanny knack for hitting the nail squarely on the head):

"France is a treasure to mankind. French ideas, French beliefs, and French actions form a sort of lodestone for humanity. A moral compass needle needs a butt end. Whatever direction France is pointing - toward collaberation with Nazis, accommodation with communists, existentialism, Jerry Lewis, or UN resolution veto - we can go the other way with a quiet conscience."

#44 Iron Fist

I been trying to tell ya!

#47 lewis

Sometimes I wonder if there is any atrocity committed by Palestinians which would be so horrific that the LLLs would stop supporting them.

Well, they supported nearly till the end the Soviet bloc, ands its 100 million deaths.

Love Lilo; hate Stich. But then, I'm a Yosemite Sam gal, myself.

I am not at Lilo and Stitch yet. Maybe in a couple of years.

I will gladly accept any anti French into my home... but the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, so no Jihadis who want to blow up Paris.

I cannot forget Pepe's line, "I am ze peanut, you are ze breetel."

numero 42 (number 42)

Do you think Olivia Chow will win her seat? My quiet residential street downtown is rife with Chow signs that read "We'll work for you!" (in Italian and Portuguese). The NDP signs outnumber Conservative and Liberal ones by at least 3:1

What can you do!

#47 Lewis

Just exactly what kind of atrocity would cross the line, eh?

Well, if the Palis suddenly decided they were going to repudiate Islamic fundamentalism, anti-semitism, homicide bombing and become money-hungry free market capitalists opposed to collectivism, that would probably be an atrocity in their minds. Look how they feel about Republicans. To them, there is no higher atrocity than resisting the collective.

AG in Houston

I was at Erez once for about four weeks on reserves. I brought a puppy back I had found. She's still alive. The Oslo agreement which was born at the same time, is dead. That's the only time I spent anywhere near the Gaza strip. My wife, though, spent most of her regulat duty in Gaza and Khan Younis during the first Intifada as a Kambatznikit (sorry, don't know the English for that).
Other than that I served in the North (Lebanon, Golan, Jenin area.)

AG in Houston and amir, I just don't like it that Jews are being thrown out of their homes. I'm responding to the whole thing emotionally, so keep that in mind too.

BTW, the Erez crossing reopened today for the first time since Yassin was dealt with.

I saw that and went numb. Sheer stupidity.

#58 Lewis

There's a Lilo and Stitch series?
Wow.
My daughters would love that.
My middle one was disguised as Lilo for Purim.

I'm working on the registration code. Sorry for the small glitch.

Amir,

I believe 'kambatznikit' is in operations officer.

As opposed to a kibbutznikit or a jobnik.

Ktzinat Mivtza'eem.

Sound about right?

I have a question here. I don't blame Halliburton for the war in Iraq nor do I credit them with it. They are simply a company that the US government hired. What about these French companies: Alcatel, TotalFina and Renault? Do they deserve blame or are they just doing business like Halliburton?

It's a little like operating on a conscious patient.

I'm still boycotting all french products after 2 years,

how about the rest of the minions?

I dunno. Pepe always struck me as being somewhat-- how shall I put it?--less than robust for a supposed ladies' skunk. I know he was supposed to be a parody of Charles Boyer, but still, Bugs Bunny in drag was more manly that old Pepe.

#69 Iron Fist

Depressing -- yes. Realistic -- absolutely.I doubt the world will ever be as we would wish it, with everyone getting along and no one hating anyone else merely because of differences be they religion, skin color, language, culture or whatever.
As for me, I want to take out the dangerous haters--swiftly and in large numbers.

Charles, It's spelled Perfidity, not Perfidy.

I also take exeption to #31. The french of today may be pigs, but their ancestors were not. France was once a great nation, but then Charles Martel died.

ftm, I won't boycott anything. Not even the French. I don't go out of my way to buy French products and if there is a substitute made elsewhere I'll certainly opt for it but that's as far as I'll go.

No no no. Pepe is king.

He can get away with classic lines that would sound stupid coming from one of us.

"Where are you my darling, I am coming to collect you."

Spectacular!

Charles (#75),

It's a little like operating on a conscious patient.

They do that, during brain surgery. :-)

So, what's the registration count up to?

To get back to the main topic

Lawyers for a French human rights group are accusing the French government of making a deal with Iran, to crack down on exiled Iranian opposition members in return for lucrative oil contracts with the mullahs:

I don't trust human rights groups either, especially not French human rights group. And neither should anybody else here. If you follow the link in the articcle in the Guardian (The Guardian! Yet another reliable source!), you find out WHO those exiled Iranian opposition members really are:

LGFers: Meet the People's Mujahideen or Mujahedeen-e-Khalq. This organization that doesn't deserve to defended, but destroyed. To describe them as opposition suggests they might be a democratic opposition.

In reality, the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq is a terrorist organization that operated from Iraq, protected by Saddam Hussein. Their ideology is a combination of Marxism and Islamism (!). They also have the costum of setting themselves on fire (which should be encouraged).

#81 zulubaby

ftm, I won't boycott anything. Not even the French. I don't go out of my way to buy French products and if there is a substitute made elsewhere I'll certainly opt for it but that's as far as I'll go.

These days, it would be very hard to boycott an entire nation. For example, if you have DSL, then the equipment at the telephone office is probably French since they have about 80% of that market.

Engineer

You are totally wrong, they control about 95% of the 80%.

Get it right.

zulubaby

Jews are a pretty mobile people, by choice or not.

My gradfather, my father and myself were each born on a different continent.

Jewish government evicting Jews from their homes just shows that we have become a nation among nations.

I weep.

#53 Delta Burka

She must get care packages from Arafat.

Here's another gem:

John Godfrey, Liberal Party, Member of Parliament

"if we had missile defence at the present moment, [the Americans] might well be bolder in dealing with North Korea in a way that would be dangerous for the world." Does this mean we are safer if the US is defenseless against incoming missiles?

Bending over backwards to bury their heads in the sand!

We'll if only they'd tighten their immigration policies to keep out al Qaida, they'd at least be a good buffer state. I hope enough Canadians are revolting against this nonsense.

#82 AG in Houston

Pepe may be

#86 AG in Houston

You are totally wrong, they control about 95% of the 80%.

Sorry:-)

amir, I suppose we're not called Wandering Jews for nothing.

I weep.

I do too.

Charles is messin' around again. What I was trying to say before I was cut of was "Pepe may be le roi but he's no Sponge Bob Square Pants. But then, who is?

#88 a noble vision

Bending over backwards to bury their heads in the sand!

Which creates a rather amusing visual.

:^D

Holy crap, The Boston Globe prints a favorable story about Iraq?!

What's going right in Iraq

On June 11, US military commanders bestowed awards for valor on five Iraqis -- soldiers in the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps -- for saving the life of a US Marine during an ambush in Al Karmah. When the Marine was shot by insurgents, the Iraqi riflemen with whom he and other members of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines were patrolling with didn't hesitate. The citation presented to Imad Abid Zeid Jassim tells the story:

"Under a hail of enemy fire that was accurately targeted on the wounded Marine, and without regard for his own safety, Private Imad Jassim moved forward . . . He dragged the wounded Marine out of the line of fire to a covered and concealed position . . . aggressively pushed forward . . . dislodged the enemy fighters. . . . His efforts clearly saved the life of the Marine."

#3

Let's all go to France to pee.

Wee, wee.

#37 zulubaby

IDF envisions 'remote control' border with Gaza

The Israeli army envisions a "remote control" border with the Gaza Strip after a troop withdrawal, including unmanned patrol cars and computerized observation posts that would automatically spot and kill attackers[...]

Can we get a couple of those here, too?

#17 Gnida, well ofcourse Moore hates the Conservatives and applauds the Liberals Party. The Liberals do what they do best, lie, cheat, steal, blow through billions of dollars, lie some more. Of-like-kind right?

Only 8 more days and then I can vote to kick to kick them out of office.

#88 a noble vision

if we had missile defence at the present moment, [the Americans] might well be bolder in dealing with North Korea in a way that would be dangerous for the world." Does this mean we are safer if the US is defenseless against incoming missiles?

That has always been the reason the left was against a missile defense. They loved MAD since it prevented us from doing a lot against left wing governments.

France is the dictators and theocrats friend...

Some links about France's complicity in the Rwandan genocide and how it's helping Syria and Iran imprison and oppress their dissenters who arrive in France...

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

[Link: news.telegraph.co.uk...]

Jews in Gaza during this moment in history is ridiculous.

I don't weep for the settlers of Gaza. I implore them to move quickly, for their sake.

Once they are out, there should be "no reason" for Palestinian attacks from Gaza.

And if there is an attack, then the IDF can lob artillery indiscriminantly into Gaza.

Simple as can be.

The largest shareholder in TotalFinaElf is Canada based Power Corp. Power Corp also has a large chunk of BNP Paribas where most of the Oil for Food fraud money went through.

3 or 4 Canadian Prime Ministers have worked at Power Corp, including Chretien and Martin. Infact, Martin bought his 3/4 of Billion dollar Canadian Steamship Lines from Power Corp at a steep bargain.

I think Power Corp is one of North America's best kept secrets. BNP Paribas is one of the biggest banks in Europe. Through its subsidiaries, it is the 4th largest lender in the US. Power Corp also has extensive holdings in Europe through Pargesa. Not to mention having the top Insuranace and Investments companies in Canada. If you add all of Power Corps holdings, they are easily Canada's top company in assets and profits. It's a little too complicated to trace it all to see actually how big they are.

While I don't doubt French cynicism and opportunism, the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq belongs in the very same ashtray of history as the mullahs.

As far as I know, the US has also coöperated with the Iranians to fight the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq.

And I don't have a problem with that, as long the mullahs aren't left off the hook of course. That what the French will do, but I hope the US has simple plan: First the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq goes down, then the mullahs follow.

LET the French crack down on the MEK, ENCOURAGE the French to crack down even harder. At least, they'll get one part of the War on terror right!

This one's disappeared from the main Reuters Asia pages...

Fiery Death for Iranian in Paris Raid Protest
Wed June 18, 2003 11:17 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) - An Iranian woman died and another struggled to survive extensive burns on Wednesday after both set themselves on fire in protest against a mass round-up in France of left-wing Iranian exiles opposed to religious rule in Tehran.

Marzieh Babakhani, aged about 40, died in hospital after setting fire to her clothes early on Wednesday at a protest of about 100 exiles at an Interior Ministry office near the Eiffel Tower, the Paris prosecutor's office said.

Protester Segigheh Mojaveri, 38, set herself ablaze later at the same protest and was taken away badly burned, said exiles on the scene. In Berne, Swiss police stopped an Iranian from doing the same after dousing himself with a flammable liquid.

"We condemn the shameful deal with the mullahs," chanted the Paris crowd, accusing France of rounding up 159 exiles early on Tuesday as a favor to the Islamic republic with which Paris maintains diplomatic relations.

By Wednesday morning, police released all but 26 of those detained in Tuesday's raids on homes and offices of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a left-wing opposition group that opposes religious rule in Iran.

The raids also netted several suitcases of $100 bills worth at least $8 million as well as a large amount of communications equipment, police said.

Judiciary sources said NCRI leader Maryam Rajavi and others still detained could face terrorism charges for allegedly planning attacks in Iran from their suburban Paris headquarters.

Rajavi is the wife of Massoud Rajavi, leading figure in the NCRI military arm the People's Mujahideen, which the European Union and United States say is a terrorist organization.

In Tehran, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami indicated he wanted the detainees extradited to Iran, saying: "Because Iran has been their victim...our natural request is that they be prosecuted in the place where they have committed their crimes."

NCRI officials said the Paris detainees had begun a hunger strike and that the self-immolations were spontaneous acts of protest. An Iranian set himself alight in London on Tuesday.

An NCRI official at the protest added that Babakhani had had two brothers who were killed by Iranian authorities and had been living as a refugee in France.

AIMED AT MUJAHIDEEN

Tuesday's raids were aimed at the People's Mujahideen, which is based in Iraq and was recently disarmed by U.S. forces there.

As a force opposed to the Islamic state, the Mujahideen also have women in uniform who in the past have shown journalists visiting their Iraq base how well they can fire Kalashnikov automatic rifles and drive armored cars.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has accused the Mujahideen of wanting a "rear base" in France since being disarmed in Iraq.

Police said the detainees were rounded up on suspicion of planning terrorist attacks in a raid ordered by leading anti-terrorist investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere.

The NCRI said the arrests would spark anger in Iran, but diplomats in Tehran said the group was unpopular there even among those opposed to Iran's Islamic clerical establishment.

In an unusual convergence of views, both Washington and Tehran -- who have not had diplomatic relations since the 1979 Islamic revolution -- praised the round-up on Tuesday.

The Mujahideen joined the Islamic revolution against Iran's shah but later broke ranks with the clerical leadership. Based in Iraq since the 1980s, their fighters clashed with U.S. forces in the recent war but then reached a truce with them.

Mark Twain had this to say:

"The theologians say that mankind was created one step below the angels. I disasgree -- he was created one step above the French."

Check out this item from INN on Egypt's demands that Israel leave Gaza security up to them: [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Relevant part:
Opposition leader Shimon Peres, for his part, has laid down three conditions of his own. He said yesterday that he would not join the Likud-led government unless the government does the following: coordinates the retreat from Gaza with the Palestinian Authority; sets a clear timetable for the withdrawal; and begins negotiations regarding the final status of Judea and Samaria.

Peres is always trying to resuscitate his boyfriend Arafat politically. I have no doubt that if the old fish ever keeled over with a heart attack that Peres would jump right on him to give him mouth-to-mouth.

Must be true love.

#84 Rust never Sleeps

I agree that the MKO are a bunch of freaks (tried to post about them earlier while Charles was fixing some glitches). They should be monitored and detained for a variety of reasons.

However, the relationship between France and the IRI troubles me; and I wouldn't put it past the French to crack down on other opposition groups just to acquire TotalFinaElf et al contracts with Iran.

The "pressure" by the EU and France on Iran to improve human rights has been cosmetic at best. Last year, the IRI put a moratorium on death by stoning. More contracts were renewed, yet nothing has changed the doomed fate of those still waiting on their death sentence.

But I agree, the MKO are total weirdos hated as much as the Mullahs inside Iran. They're not to be trusted.

Re: Gaza and weeping

I don't weep that Jews will be leaving Gaza. In several ways, it is a gift for many of them - especially the children, who didn't exactly choose to be born or live within Qassam range of Jabilya, Khan Younis or Rafah.

However, I'm worried about the perception that the unilateral pullout will mirror that of the pullout from Lebanon. And even if it doesn't, Hamas and Islamic Jihad will still be active under the ridiculous Gaza "power sharing" agreement. And even if it was totally PA controlled, it would still be a jihadi nest.

Gaza will always be trouble. And now the residents will be able to travel through the border with Egypt. And when they get to Cairo, they will be able to go to Europe, Canada, Australia and the U.S.

World wide security efforts will need to step up. The world's about to become a more dangerous place, mostly because of U.N. and E.U. efforts to browbeat the Israelis into concessions while demanding little concrete movement from the other side. And of course, when a Gaza citizen blows himself up in Rome, Sydney or Toronto, the world community will be 95% sure that Zionism is to blame for it.

Craig

Do you think that all of the above is not going to happen regardless of your thoughts on Peres?

Then, in June, police arrested 164 members of the Iranian opposition and placed 17 under investigation for having links with or funding terrorism. The authorities said they were looking for a link with a mortar attack on the office of the supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, in Teheran in 2000.

Seems to me that, once again, the French have confused freedom fighters with terrorists. By what stretch of the imagination is an attempt on Khameini's life to be callled terrorism? Usually they confuse terrorists with freedom fighters, and now they have it bass ackwards. You can always count on the Frogs to be 180 degrees off target.

What is it that Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog said?

"You are French-Canadian? That means you are both boring AND disgusting!"

I keed, I keed!

SoCal

Exactly

I am 95% sure that the world community will blame Zionists 95% of the time for 95% of all terrorist attacks and threats cross 95% of the world.

Israel Attacks Suspected Hezbollah Outpost

Is this new?

Sorry, Triumph said,

You are French-Canadian, yes? You are obnoxious AND dull!

IAF hits Hizbullah AA position

Is there any doubt?

Seems I remember the last time they cracked the Iranian whip for them. La gay Fwrenchie's suffered an outbreak of explosions until they released those arrested. No need to worry, history never repeats itself...Chriass told us so.

OT

Happy Father's Day to all the daddy lizards.

#76 ftm

I'm still boycotting all french products after 2 years,

how about the rest of the minions?

I cancelled a speaking tour there after they started hustleing anti-US votes on the Security Council before we went into Iraq. Did an Italian tour instead.

And I'm learning to love South American wines.

What is this video they're showing on Fox right now? Anyone else watching?

OT on FoxNews

The Religion of Beheadings has a new video with a South Korean hostage promising to deliver his head if infidel troops don't get out of "their land."

#108 AG in Houston,

1) I don't think Sharon is going to bother coordinating the Gaza withdrawal with the PA, since he regards the PA as the Arafat Authority and he simply won't deal with him. He will deal with Dahlan, but that'll be mostly under the table, and the Egyptians will act as a proxy for the old fish.

2) The timetable over the withdrawal is already being set, and doing that is de rigeur anyway. So I don't see that as an issue. It's a moot point that Peres knows he's gonna get.

3) Negotiation on the final status of Judea and Samaria isn't going to happen now for the reasons stated in item 1. It would involve talking to the fish. Plus, I think most Israelis would rather just finish the barrier and see what happens in Gaza before they do anything about Judea and Samaria.

They really don't have to rush to do anything about that right now.

Peres will ultimately suck it up and yield because right now Labor needs to join the coalition more than Likud needs them. After the last elections Labor needs to rehabilitate itself and try to give itself some more relevancy.

Sharon has got the "Greek Island Affair" out of the way and most of the Israeli population supports the Gaza disengagement, so even though he has problems with the NRP, he's really in control of the chessboard. I have no doubt that even if Labor doesn't join, even in a worst case scenario, Sharon could call new elections and Likud and Shinui would win enough seats to control the government because the electorate is afraid that Peres would give away too much.

A Korean hostage?

NOW YOU AMERICANS HAVE DONE IT!
Better horde up on canned food and gas.

Syria preparing sanctions against United States

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Reading CNN's report, you might also get the impression that Syria is benign liberal democarcy.

Don't forget that the Frenchs can be quite humane: after all, they accomodated late ayatollah Khomeyni (another spiritual leader??) for years in a superb villa in Neauphle le Chateau.

#117 Tenring

California wines are, on average, superior to French wines.

Even "two-buck Chuck" is an excellent wine!

Hi zulubaby!!!

Seems that South Korea has a commitment to supply troops to Iraq, even as the populace doesn't want to..

this is just a sequel to the terrorists successful Spanish manuever.

#112 zulubaby

That's in reatliation for all the rockets Hizbollah sent to Israel tpday, but that only made the Israel news!

#124 Darleen

Trader Joe's is my friend.

Willamette Valley produces an excellent Pinot Noir, as well.

And further on the leader of the group that killed Paul Johnson, CNN quotes

"(Muqrin's group) are a minority of the minority but they are very dangerous."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Ah Yes, how could I be so blind? So there Charles! You have been totally wrong. It is not a tiny minority BUT a minority of a minority. In future we must always remember that the Jihadis are a tiny monority of a tiny minority. I hope all LGFEers have got that? Good.

#98 [Engineer] 6/20/2004 01:18PM PST

That has always been the reason the left was against a missile defense. They loved MAD since it prevented us from doing a lot against left wing governments.

Yes, their goal is world socialism. In the grand scheme of things, they haven't thought out the problem of Islamism, though. When all the West's defenses are gone (as they are working toward), do they really expect Islamic political philosophy to disolve into secular socialism? Never going to happen. They will be in for a rude awakening.

(#122) DP111

Muhammad Habash, a lawmaker with moderate Islamic affiliations who is one of the campaigners for the draft law, said the law was meant to maintain the dignity of Syrians.

"We are not simple-minded to the degree that we imagine we can affect the great American economy," he said. "But we are able to maintain our dignity and slap the Americans so they know that if they continue with their arrogant policies, people everywhere around the globe will spit at them."

The dignity of the Syrians?

Absolutely laughable.

#99 nanette: Les Francaises are the friend of anyone with de l'argent.

My boycott of France continues. No more French wine - California produces excellent wines (Australia too!). No more French cheese (I use the Wisconsin products instead). No Nissan cars (partially owned by Renault) - I bought from GM instead. Oh yeah, the French can kiss my star-spangled butt!

Oh man, this is going to get the feminists up in arms:

SADDAM Hussein was a "vain playboy" who personally selected female agents for their looks so he could later take them to bed, according to a new book by the man who spent 20 years at his side as his personal doctor.

Saddam was a 'vain playboy' claims doctor

"Saddam was as vain as a peacock," said Bashir, revealing how the dark-haired tyrant dyed his moustache to keep him looking young and wore shoes two sizes too small because they made his large feet look more in proportion with his body.

LMAO. Saddam was a fashion plate. Who knew?

Hi Darleen :-)

They keep going through this kidnapping farce when we know that this man is as good as dead, poor thing. I'm sure the jihadis are salivating, waiting for the next video release of his beheading.

Nannette, AP's headline is:

Israel Attacks Suspected Hezbollah Outpost

Israel is always presented as the aggressor. Bastards.

OT but a CAIR office in Florida has ben vandalised

Islamic Center's Walls Covered With Slurs

[Link: news.tbo.com...]

#125 Iron Fist

You might want to evacuate yourself first :-P

You know, sooner or later, if nothing changes in France...I ll have to evacuate myself to other horizons. France will lose lotsa valuable people if the Jews have to move (including myself, hahaha :-P). Old story...

What worries me is that I ve noticed that the same Third worldist crap coming from Europe has reached the US, and now appears to be thriving.

David 'Parisian Insider', we're going to Israel. Start packing.

#122 DP111:

LOL!

"We are not simple-minded to the degree that we imagine we can affect the great American economy," he said. "But we are able to maintain our dignity and slap the Americans so they know that if they continue with their arrogant policies, people everywhere around the globe will spit at them."

We are not simple-minded... spitting on us will be damaging, though!

#135 zulubaby

Hizbullah gunmen fired several salvoes of anti-aircraft shells over parts of Western Galilee on Sunday.

Nannette, look :-)

Jeez, you can fill 10 whole websites with French Pefidy reports!

#138 zulubaby

David 'Parisian Insider', we're going to Israel. Start packing.

What do you mean by 'we'? You? The entire LGF crew minus gordo? The US?
Hey, I've got to pass my MD in july first!!!

131 socal justice

people everywhere around the globe will spit at them."

Spit! I suppose this is what the Right Hon member for Damascus South does when he wishes to show his opposition.

May I remind the Rt Hon Member of Syria's great parliament - we dont spit. We send Spitfires over.

Nannette (#140)

Thanks. I see that that report didn't make mainstream media.

David 'Parisian Insider' (#143)

The Jews.

Re French boycott:

#133 ajackson

My boycott of France continues. No more French wine - California produces excellent wines (Australia too!). No more French cheese (I use the Wisconsin products instead). No Nissan cars (partially owned by Renault) - I bought from GM instead. Oh yeah, the French can kiss my star-spangled butt!

Mine too. Costs me nothing, repays my sense of justice in spades.

Since the war in Iraq, my prefernece has been US travel. My next European vacation will be to one of our Allies (Italy, UK, Poland). I doubt I will ever go to France again. Stupid to travel in enemy territory or knowingly give your money to those who would have you killed.

Came across this aussie blog.

[Link: www.whackingday.com...]

He really hits the Left in true aussie fashion. Very pro-isreal too.

#136 DP111 6/20/2004 01:54PM PST

OT but a CAIR office in Florida has ben vandalised

Islamic Center's Walls Covered With Slurs

I'll bite: I'm 95% sure this was done by CAIR. 5% unsure.

The old please feel sorry for me and respect my opinions, people hate me kinda crime. Of course the LLL love fake hate crimes, they see them as a "cry for help" from the oppressed. IMHO, a real vandal would have spread lard all over their trailer and written Koranic jihad verses on the walls, which of course, I would totally oppose.

Again OT but the fuse is starting to burn

The Fuze Burns...

[Link: www.velociworld.com...]

Read the comment by David Gillies - An excellent example English usage - a concealed understatement.

not starting a war against Microsoft,' says Civil Service Minister Renaud Dutreil

Heh. If they did, Microsoft would be marching down the Champs Elysees in just a matter of days.

re 150

In the comments section of the link in #150, rightisright comments

For any of your readers who haven't been there, I can not recommend little green footballs highly enough. Charles Johnson is a stalwart crusader against radical Islam who uncovers the stories you will never see on ABC or read in the NYT. His site is: [Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Islamic Center's Walls Covered With Slurs

Verses from the Qur'an?

Iron Fist -

bottled sunshine

Why do I think of Anita Bryant whenever I see that? :)

149 noble vision

Bedier said the families who attend the center were upset when they learned of the vandalism. He said the recent escalating violence in Iraq and the beheading of two U.S. civilians in the Middle East in recent weeks have Muslims everywhere on edge.

Yet again one sees, that the only response from moderate Muslims to gruesome or mass murder of infidels by Jihadis, is a selfish concern that they will be victimised.

OT - "No Blood for de Nile Mud!" Mubarak in Germany for operation

#154 Frank IBC

Why do I think of Anita Bryant whenever I see that? :)

Whenever I see that name, I remember that she had to have the term "69" explained to her.

149 noble vision

Thanks for the link.

Another example of great English usage by Silent Running.. It does involve the French, in a peripheral sort of way, so not quite OT.

Cry God for Harry, England and St... Hang on Andrew Sullivan has a few concerns..

[Link: silentrunning.tv...]

Scroll down to June 17 posting.

Iron Fist (#160),

From your link:

And, of course, I realize there are those who will hate Americans no matter what we do. But I believe they are such a minority of the people in the Arabic and Islamic world that, statistically, they barely register.

Sort of like this guys IQ. Talk about an article chock full of utter crap. And he's the freaking foreign desk editor.

There is little in the way of perfidy, double dealing, or flat out evil the French would do that surprises me.

If Bush makes the Iraq mistake again and goes to the UN over Iran and its nukes, look for France to act like an ally right up to the point they veto any resolution that actually means anything.

160 DP111

I plead ignorance of who Andrew Sullivan is, but anyone who worries about the "legal framework to hang a war on" has a fundamental misunderstanding of the world.

To sum up:

1. "International community" is a fiction.
2. "International law" is a fiction.
3. Nations act in their own self interest.
4. War may be necessary when national goals are not achieved through diplomacy.
5. Appropirate national goals for a state include at the most fundamental level, self-preservation.

See Charles Krauthammer's address to the AEI for an excellent and complete exegesis of the topic which should become required reading of all graduating high school students in the US.

DP111

I really did like the quote from "Henry V:"

The French, advised by good intelligence Of this most dreadful preparation, Shake in their fear and with pale policy Seek to divert the English purposes.

Excellent!

I actually went to France yesterday to visit something I have been meaning to see over a year now. It was about a 3 hour drive, but well worth it.

St. Avold

I thought I knew what to expect, but then as I walked around the 10' high hedge and saw the amount of graves filling the 114 acres it stopped me in my tracks.

It seems I'm in Linking mood today

Sharia comes to the US?

Will County judge OKs dowry pledged in Muslim law

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

IMHO a dangerous precedent is being set. I wonder what the legal eagles of LGF have to say on this?

OT

Looks like I'm going to work tomorrow.

Iron Fist

Osama bin Laden and his supporters hate us because of our foreign policy in the Middle East -- our first Persian Gulf War with Iraq

Right, Kuwait was clearly at least 95% zionist. That's why we came to their aid, to protect the zionists there.

What a bufoon.

His brain must run on chlorophyll. The lack of sunlight in Seattle is affecting his ability to generate ATP.

Iron Fist

I cannot believe such abject drivel! The IQ-challenged member in good standing of the LLL blithely sidesteps several elephants in the room... ie they don't like our "foreign policy"... translates, the US won't look the other way as they kill Jews. The arab "man in the street" likes American movies but doesn't like US admin..translates they like Michael Moore because he, too, hates American government while sucking at the teat of the culture that the government makes possible.

What a disgusting piece of propaganda.

Buckeye Abroad (#144),

It must be somewhat overwhelming. And the web site says that initially there were 5,000 more graves there.

#144? try #166, that about the third time I've 'misspelled' numbers today. Sheez.

161 Iron Fist

Emailing this guy is a complete waste of time and effort. He is from the Arabist section of State, ie the FO equivalent here in the UK, or completely naive or a knave.

Another thing that comes to mind is that Islamists of every hue, seem to love the American people but decry US foreign policy. A similar tack was employed by communists when the USSR was a going concern. Its main purpose was to isolate the government from the people; in a democracy this is a very effective ploy, and led to huge protests against Reagan and Thatcher in the US and Europe.

164 Noble vision

I agree with all five points that you set out.

After 9/11, the US admin had an excellent opportunity to redefine the world order. In fact as the US set out out to get Security Council approval for it actions in Iraq, that was what I thought its main purpose was. That is to destroy the old world order designed for a post WWII world, and bring forth a new one, to reflect a world where a megalomanic religion could end up with nukes in its arsenal. Given the brain power available to the administration, it seemed to be a really effective strategic policy. My hopes though were dashed. It seems that the Bush admin was genuinely seeking SC approval. The fact that the UN (the old world order) in priniple, can never sanction an attack on a member, didnt seem to have registered with the admin. I OTH thought that they knew that fact perfectly well and were using it as a means to destroy the UN. Some hope.

Well anyway, subsequent events, with the admin repeatedly going back to the UN to get its approval, seems to indicate that the US admin, with all its talk of a new world order, still seems to play according to rules set by the UN.

Tis a pity. A wonderful opportunity missed. Yet gain. 9/11 was an opprtunity that does not come often. An opportunity to put paid to a very dangerous ideology for good. I wonder how much woe, blood and tears, will ensue as a consequence of that failure.

#134, Geepers

LOL! Brought back this memory.

#171 Geepers

It was. I took some pics and took my time walking around it (about an hour). The website pic doesn't do justice. It really was a moving experience.

DP111

As things happened, my impression was that the attempt to get the UNSC resolution was 1) a (hollow, as they know it would fail a vote) concession to moderates/Powell to show willingness to cooperate within the UN framework, and 2) to create evidence for Americans and our allies that the UN is a dead, efete irrelevancy, thus freeing our foreign policy from any allusions that UN approval is meaningfull. I beleive it succeeded on both counts. I think a lot fewer Americans now beleive the UN is on their side (which it isn't) or is relevant to their future (which it isn't).

I went to Paris, had my first Grand Mal seizure, took valium for remainder of trip (true story).

and I absolutely refused to speak any French.

176 noble vision

I beleive it succeeded on both counts. I think a lot fewer Americans now beleive the UN is on their side (which it isn't) or is relevant to their future (which it isn't).

On those counts it has succeeded. However I was hoping, given the Pearl Harbour type event that occurred on 9/11, for a sea change, as Pearl Harbour did. That is a completely New World order, defined by genuinely tolerant democratic nations. Islamic nations would have been put in a limbo, and by extension so would Islam.

It may well be that a lot fewer Americans believe that the UN is on their side. But that was not my point. The US, as the only global super-power, had the means and the justification post 9/11, to re-arrange the a new UN to be on the side of the US, just as it did post WWII.

Given that we face a much more insidious and dangerous enemy then we have ever faced, a new world order would have been a tidy pre-requisite to see off the Islamic threat.

Iron Fist

The Intelliencer of a post.

That's rich.
//chanelling Daffy Duck, since this is a Looney Tunes thread on steroids.

Dang.

Intelligencer.

Geepers is spreading a misspelling virus. Stay home when you're sick, dude.

Just trying to make the meter fit. Lame-o, but satisfying after all the crummy news.

Need some cake jokes, but there's still 2 or 3 more threads to read before everybody gets really punchy.

Perry (#181),

LOL. Sorry dude I didn't know it was catching.

Geepers!

You turned me into a dude!!

My husband will never forgive you.

Damn, I misspelled dudette in that last post.

;-)

Hmph. Didn't really want the hips back. ;-) yourself.

Perry, LOL. That's the way to look on the bright side.

Sorry about that. Welcome.

Thank you. I have appreciated your posts on the other threads today. Just now reading though. Always catching up, never anything to contribute but I never could keep my mouth shut. Back to the other threads.

It's true that the French government has historically been very cold and cruel, with a tendency to value foreigners (and most Frenchmen) merely as cannon fodder.

Still, there is a tendency within France for the occasional woman (like Joan d'Arc and Charlotte Corday) to do something supremely (and idiotically) grandiose. I think the person who will destroy the Grand Mosque of Mecca, including the Kaaba and the Black Stone, will be a French woman who has simply decided that those symbols must be destroyed. Oddly enough, I think she will be regarded as a classic French heroine.

There's hope for France. Admittedly, not much hope. The French Defense Minister may proclaim that "war is always the worst solution", as if she truly believes that her own violation in the streets of Paris at the hands of Islamist thugs would be an improvement over war, as if the safety of France were somehow dependent upon the emasculation of American power. Still, there is a stubborn streak in France, a certain cantankerousness, that will make France a fool's prize for any Islamist stupid enough to desire it.

In the next couple of decades, there may even be a wave of pro-Americanism in France, mainly out of a perverse desire (perhaps in teenage rebellion) to annoy Muslims, Socialists, Gaullists, and the rest of the French political establishment. Give it time, and the French youth of tomorrow could be like the Iranian youth of today.

190 sasquatch

French men and women I have spoken to are very aware of the dangers that Islamic invasion poses to France and to the West as a whole. The trouble is that, at this moment in time, there is no political avenue available for them to express their views. The Left is a goner, the mainstream Right is Left as well, and the extreme right, such as that of Le Pen is a non-starter. But times change and the Islamofascists will realise that it is no accident that the French have had the most bloody revolutions on the European continent.

This reminds me of a different time when the French were involved in the selling or saving of lives.
There is a book by Isaac Levendel, Not the Germans Alone: A Son's Search for the Truth of Vichy.

Levendel's search took him from his home in the United States to France more than twelve times over four years...

What he found shocked him. For decades Levendel believed that the Germans had taken his mother away. In fact, the archives contained evidence of widespread French collaboration with the Nazis, from government officials who prepared deportation lists to members of a gang in Marseilles who arretes Jews -- including his mother -- and sold them to the Nazis. This book details the French collaboration and is steeped in Levendel's anger toward those who participated.

But there were also those who helped the young Isaac -- sometimes at great risk to themselves -- after his mother disappeared, and Levendel remembers them here as well...

Today, the French regime is playing a role similar to the role played by French authorities during the Vichy regime, and similar to those gangs during that time that sold Jews to the Nazis. They are cracking down on the resistance to the Iranian mullocracy, in return for some favors.
I can only hope that the good people of France, including France's human rights league, will remind their government of the need to behave in a moral way. If they do that, then they may be considered the successors of those in France who did not follow in the path of the Vichy government nor of the gangs that sold people to the Nazis.