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Death Cult Kiddie Movies

Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 8:01:42 am PDT

I thought there could be nothing more horrific and maddening than the home movies of jihadis cutting off heads.

But then LGF reader ‘Norwegian kafir’ forwarded a link to a Swedish Islamic forum, where he found a video that’s a glimpse into a parallel universe inhabited by demons.

From a discussion thread titled Al Qaeda for Kids, posted with a comment in Swedish (“Salam aliykom. Look how cute!”), here’s a death cult video that breaks new ground in loathsomeness, as smiling, laughing Muslim children reenact the savage beheading of Nick Berg.

Muslim kids play “Holy Warrior.”

How cute. How incredibly, terminally insane.

UPDATE: And in order to play-act the decapitation of Nick Berg, these children must have studied the actual video.

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1 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:02:32am

First

I don't know what is worse. The original Berg video or this one.

2 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:04:21am

Excuse me while I go puke.

3 William The Barbarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:04:32am

Loathsome
Despicable

This is a WAR. We must not be derailed by the left.

4 RightIsRight  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:05:28am

What??

Am I the only one that played "Behead the Infidel" as a child?

5 DreadPirate  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:05:29am

Is it time for a new moniker? Jihadi Psyco Death Cult?

6 centaur  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:05:35am

Sick. OT, and I'm surely way behind on this, but:

lefty cant generator...

Is this where Stern is getting his material lately?

7 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:06:32am

What next? Western kids having to do this as part of their Muslim awareness education? Come to think of it, this film is indeed raising awareness as to the true nature of the death cult.

8 zenbone  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:07:09am

This is unbelievable.

I'm going out for a coffee. Collect my thoughts.

9 BH  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:07:54am

I saw a catalog once that sold a kids Crusader set. It had a plastic shield with a cross on it, and a "sword of righteousness" or some such thing. I thought it was cheezy as hell at the time, but I'd love to see it get ad space on Nick. hehe

10 Jeff S.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:08:21am

Oh come on, it's no different than American kids who played cowboys and Indians while growing up.

/LLL moral equivalence

11 Harlan Pepper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:08:22am

There is no hope for those children, their minds are already filled to the brim with poison.

12 brent  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:08:24am

Now, now - this is no worse than playing Cowboys and Indians.


Well, except for the part about growing up and doing it for real.

Ok, maybe THAT part is a little worse.

13 hepcat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:09:31am

I wonder if this will be shown in the EU theaters as a preview before Fahrenheit 9/11.

14 Nukeitall  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:10:15am

What's really strange is that I had to use power DVD to open it.

Maybe it was one of those damnable Sony cameras that record to a DVD format..and...

Well, I'm getting off topic. Yeah, it's messed up - but they're just dumb kids. I'd focus more on the "parents".

15 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:10:45am

It is threads like this that earn LGF the epithet "Anti-Muslim Hate Site."

Which says a lot more about those who throw that epithet around than it does about LGF.

16 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:10:56am

brent

Well, except for the part about growing up and doing it for real.

What do you mean grow up. Muslim kids can take the role of shahid by 13 or 14 years.

17 Tupsox  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:12:01am

I was going to write something snarky, but I'm just speechless.

18 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:12:41am

Was anyone in the DC area listening to WTOP-AM this morning? They actually had an interview with someone from Free Republic, who gave an excellent discussion on the mainstream Muslims' need to renounce all ties to terror.

{THUDDD!!!}

That was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor of my car.

19 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:12:59am

Hello hepcat

It turns out the Korean's lack of English didn't bring him much luck.

/previous thread

20 Dragon Fly  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:13:41am

RoP!

21 jinni  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:14:06am

Sharpening your sword early today, Theseus?

Why is this surprising? Bedouin tribal customs are inculcated early, and reinforced continuously in Islam.

22 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:14:15am

Does anybody have a clue where this was taken?

23 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:14:19am

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were put around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." --Mark 9:42

24 Baldy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:14:43am

From the land that produced Raoul Wallenberg...

25 roach[deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:14:52am
26 NDMNTX  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:15:20am

There go my swedish roots. Volvo, the car of the Jihad!Oh yah Ole, come look at dat der svenska infidel. Yah he sure is cute yahknow? Mit dat kleine svord and all.

27 stumbley  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:16:01am

Someone on a previous thread was looking for a name for the "people" who can perpetrate these horrors. "Terrorist" is somehow too lame, "Animals" is unfair to animals, and all the rest of the euphemisms for "bad people" still allow that there's something human in their actions.

I think Wretchard of the Belmont Club had it right when he called them "morlocks."

28 Amos (Zionist Minion)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:16:32am
Bedouin tribal customs are inculcated early, and reinforced continuously in Islam.

Nicely put. This is exactly the reason why no one ever wants to move to these dark-ages hellholes, and all who seek better life do everything to get out of them.

29 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:16:36am

Who knew that the 21st century would turn out worse than the 20th?

Things will get much worse before they improve.

30 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:17:52am
#18 Frank IBC 6/23/2004 08:12AM PST
Was anyone in the DC area listening to WTOP-AM this morning?

Nope. I usually divide my time between WMAL ( the kitsch value of a talk radio host/ex-congressman/ex-Gopher is just priceless) and DC 101. Elliot was reading over a website about morbidly obese freaks of nature.

My jaw was safe. It was my stomach contents that were in danger of hitting the floor.

31 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:18:23am

Look! How cute!

32 hepcat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:19:26am

19 amir

Tell me about it. I guess that fact that he was a Christian evangelist didn't help.

Regarding the Swedish website, if this crap continues to emininate out of Europe, I think we will have to separate out American civilization from Western civilization because it looks as Western civilization has come to a full stop.

33 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:19:45am

"Allahu Akbar! Alla *gack*"

34 Ckimoo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:20:38am

Did you notice the girl on the left standing kind of in the shadows a little. But, unlike her little brother, she keeps the "gun" pointed at the "prisoner."
When the time came for the beheading, she participates almost ceremoniously--very creepy.

35 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:20:44am

#18 Frank IBC

I missed that, but I did hear them (WTOP) refer to al-Zarqawi as a "terrorist", which caught me off guard.

Whoa - I just checked the AP news article on the death threat to make sure I was spelling al-Zarqawi right:

The audio, found Wednesday on an Islamic Web site, is supposedly from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the same Jordanian-born terrorist whose group claimed responsibility for the beheading of American hostage Nicholas Berg and Kim Sun-il, a South Korean whose decapitated body was found Tuesday evening between Baghdad and Fallujah.

Linky

36 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:20:48am

The irony of Sweden: in its quest to become the most liberal, enlightened, politically-correct nation on the planet it now tolerates the most insidious forms of intolerance and has become a festering swamp of Jew-hatred.

37 Jeffrey -- New York  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:21:28am

Raed Jarrar: Americans are Responsible for Beheadings

Iraqi Bloggers Central

Check it out.

*

38 Harlan Pepper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:21:45am

#22

Does anybody have a clue where this was taken?

Somewhere warm, notice the rotating fan to the side.

39 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:21:58am

The production quality stinks, did Michael Moore direct this?

Walter in Denver

40 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:22:46am
Elliot was reading over a website about morbidly obese freaks of nature.

I used to listen to Elliot until I reached my tolerance threshold, much like Howard Stern. If I hear that laugh one more time...

41 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:22:54am

#31 mississippi

Who was that and who shot him?

#32 Hepcat
Didn't know he was Evangelist. What was he doing in Iraq?

/clueless

42 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:23:33am

#1 Rednek

First

Like we freaking care.

43 Smit  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:23:34am

#29 Pro-Bush Canuk - I dunno, I think this century has a lot of catching up to do to rival the last one in the worst century ever stakes.

Still, we're only four years into it...

44 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:24:06am

What the military should be working on right now is a weapon that would sterilize Islamofascists en masse. Ideally a virus that would kick into effect as soon as the subject says "Allahu akhbar." Failing that, a neutron-bomb-style weapon that only affects men in face masks and jihadi sashes.

Boom. Poof! Sperm count drops to zero.

It wouldn't solve the problems with the current generation, but it would stop them from breeding more of these little monsters.

And the women could still procreate - just not with their jihadi cousins. The poor dears would have to date Jews and Christians.

/wishful thinking off

45 halfastro  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:25:08am

The subhumans that have raised these poisoned children make me rethink the meaning of "innocent civilians".

46 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:25:32am

I just saw it!

What can we do with a culture that permits little children to watch those videos (even *I* haven't seen the video of Berg's murder)?

Meanwhile, back in the Land of the Lotus-Eaters, it's time for more Kobe, Scott Peterson, Jacko, J-Lo, and "reality" TV. . . .

47 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:25:38am

For comparison, my kids love, love, love superheros and are forever acting out plays where they take turns being the hero and the bad guy. I asked them what they liked about the superhero, expecting to hear something about how cool he was or how powerful, but without skipping a beat they answered, "Because he helps people from the bad guys."

Exactly.

48 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:26:11am

#41 Amir

That was an "Iraqi" insurgent taking aim at a coalition compound. He then became witness to the U.S. Marines shooting ability

49 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:26:31am
It was my stomach contents that were in danger of hitting the floor.

Come to think of it, that was also my response when Hannity was talking to Lanny Davis. I'm really glad to have Glenn Beck as an alternative to Hannity on the drive homeward.

50 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:28:40am

When I was a kid, my friends and I would reenact the massacre of indigenous peoples after the invasion of Europeans into North America.

Pretty freaking twisted, eh?

We called the game "cowboys and indians."

51 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:28:59am

Depraved doesn't even begin to describe this. It's sick. It just shows a continuing pattern of indifference, open and active support for terrorist activitives as well as a career planning recruitment video for future jihadis.

These kids aren't acting with revulsion for the beheadings - they're hoping they can be the ones to do it.

---

Now, I'm sure someone will come on and ask how is this any different than playing cowboys and indians...
/rueful sarcasm

52 centaur  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:29:25am

#29 (P-B C) & 43 (Smit) , well, a bit more appeasement and blind faith in international diplomacy and we will be well on track to matching it.

53 GoatGuy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:29:46am

The power of the new open press, I see is impressive. Islamodolts [for real] line up like apparitions, hooded, anonymous, taunting bastards of a dark satan. Before them is a hapless victim. They spout their raunchy interpretations of their faux-god's will, louder and louder. Then they wax the sacrificial offering. Power! Power! the upraised guns, the long knives! Hear our unbreakable rhetoric, all ye who long to cure your self-made impotence. Call for revenge! The infidel was placed before you for your murdurous catharsis. The goatgod will guarantee a swell afterlife, should you become his sword in this one.

That is the power of the open press, the new Internet, the world of no-controls communications. The children see the vids, and now emulate them. They are powerful! They are preparing for a life sanctioned only by their goatgod, and his followers! They will enjoy the gangland spoils of implacable higher authority. If only there weren't so many men, every man would have three to rape and call slave, no competition.

Civilisation lies in balance, I fear. Civilisation that pits love-of-creativity against an anti-civilisation that holds human life to be black or white: in, or infidel. Dead, or more dead.

To those above who said, "i'm going to go get coffee and consider this"... I'm with you. That is exactly where I'm off to, for exactly the same reason.

To those who either seriously or tongue-in-cheek quipped that the vid is no different than the Cowpokes'n'Injuns games of [my] youth, I wholeheartedly agree: it is exactly no different, in that an impressionable youth is acting out the screenplay that they have themselves experienced, they, like us, are too unable to understand the moral duplicity of their own acts. They too have parents who are so bowled over by their jihadeen protege's being so creative that they film the scene, and gloat. As did certain red-blooded American mom's and dad's when their sons re-enacted mythical scenes of cowboys and indian battles.

But let us never forget: these scenes, these reenactments are merely mirrors on what a larger society is enacting. And that has be fleeing this forum to find a hot cuppa, like a banshee.

GoatGuy

54 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:29:47am

#40 Jefe

I used to listen to Elliot until I reached my tolerance threshold, much like Howard Stern. If I hear that laugh one more time...


Damn right. Can it be any more forced...I can't even take 5 minutes of him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAAHA !!!

55 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:29:53am

The really important question is this:

Do these children support gay marriage?

/Walking in a Looney Liberal Land

56 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:03am

#48 mississippi

Live and learn.
Next time he'll take cover behind a car or a child or something.
Oh wait, there's not going to be a next time for him.

57 Bleeding heart conservative  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:13am

holy crap.

58 Powderfinger  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:22am

#50 Upchuckistan

Yes, you're a freak. Is that what you wanted to hear?

Sadly, it's not for the reason you're thinking.

59 Oktober  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:36am
60 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:40am

#10 was an almost perfect anticipatory aping of #50.

Bravo, Jeff S.!

61 NDMNTX  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:30:55am

#30 V th K... ex Gopher as in MN Gopher?

62 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:32:03am

OT - Looks like VFI has some friends in the news:

Gardaí step up surveillance of terror suspects

A dozen suspected international terror suspects operating in Ireland are being closely monitored as security for the visit of the US President tightens.

The suspects, linked to the al-Qaida network, are top of the surveillance list drawn up by the Garda Special Branch.

63 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:32:09am

#50 Canuckistan

I used to play that game too, but I don't remember the part where the cowboys chopped the heads off the Indians.

64 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:32:24am

#61 --- Nah, as in he played Gopher on the Love boat.

65 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:33:22am

Yeah - but Nick Berg was a dirty-Jooo. so it's okay...right?

According to death cultists and death cult apologist leftists, It is quite okay to hate and kill the dirty Jew.

--
Leftist apologist sickness off/

66 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:33:55am

ok so here we go.

How is "Cowboys and Indians" a game where you run around and pretend shooting one another anywhere close to this?

If you had, perhaps, dressed your little brother up like a NA and reenacted the Trail of Tears...well yea we'd call it pretty twisted too.

67 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:34:21am

#63 scaramouche --- Perhaps if Canukistroll is feeling guilty about living in "Occupied Territory," he should flee the Canadian Entity and return to France or wherever.

68 Megan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:34:23am

So, when will the U.N. and human rights organizations like Amnesty International condemn this?

69 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:34:59am

Canuckistan,

You're a fucking liar, you've never played anything more violent than "Dolly's tea party" in your whole life.

70 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:35:33am

#67 V the K

He could always move to Quebec.

71 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:35:53am

Ixnay on the cowboys and indiansay, he is an assholeay.

72 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:36:08am

#50 - did that include Custer's last stand?

Massacres are only in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

73 David2  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:36:33am

OT

Saddam has just written a letter to his wives and children and MSNBC has been putting excerpts up on the screen:

"Let me the fuck out of here." "When I get hold of the infidels who plucked me out of my spider hole I am going to shred their descendants." "Where is my viagra? The chicken has died." " This place is the mother of all cellblocks." " Would somebody please turn the channel I'm sick of The Waltons." " Elect John Fairry, please." "George Bush is a VERY BAD MAN."

74 Sean II  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:36:40am

Who is this Canuckistan anyway? Why the hell is he/she so concerned about protecting the members of the death cult? Wacko! Coddle the enemy why don't ya...

75 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:36:48am

#71

Aye

76 teacake  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:38:08am

#50 - reinacting is totally different from being TRAINED. You are not very bright. As a kid, were you even aware when playing cowboy indian of the massacres ? I bet not. Cops and robbers... cowboy indian... is not jr. jihad.

77 Bleeding heart conservative  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:38:12am

#50 Canardistan

Go ahead. Equate play combat between opposing forces mimicking cheesy westerns which were in every cinema in the 50's...
to the re-enactment of a vicious, inhuman, brutal slaughter by an armed gang of a bound, helpless and innocent individual.

Schmuck.

78 rabidfox  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:38:30am

As I remember, when we played cowboys and indians it was a toss up whether you'd be a cowboy or an indian. It changed from day to day. Mostly I remember running around a lot and no one even played at dying.

79 Harlan Pepper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:15am

#50

When I was a kid, my friends and I would reenact the massacre of indigenous peoples after the invasion of Europeans into North America.

Pretty freaking twisted, eh?

We called the game "cowboys and indians."


You're an idiot. As Charles pointed out, these youngsters were obviously shown (and then studied) the horrific film made of Berg's murder. Did your parents force you to watch snuff porn as a tyke? Don't bother replying, considering your consistent imbicility in each thread your scummy posts pollute, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

80 Cole Slaw  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:19am

I think those kids were just rehearsing for a school play in the NYC public school system. Remember fellas, diversity...diversity.

81 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:32am

Congratulations to Jeff S. (#10) for predicting the line of defence the el cubos would use.

82 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:37am
you've never played anything more violent than "Dolly's tea party" in your whole life.

(Canuckistroll plays tea party with his stuffed animals.)

Canuckistroll: "Would you like some tea, Polly Prissy-pants.

Polly Prissypants/Canukistroll (high voice): "Why thank you, Canuckistroll, you are handsome and coo'"

Canuckistroll: "Why Thank You, Polly Prissypants, what do you think, Clyde Frog?"

Clyde Frog: "I think you're a fat sack of crap."

Canuckistroll: (pause for effect) "Hey!"

83 hepcat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:41am

41 amir

They said he was working as a translator, but didn't elablorate on how he knew the language.

84 teacake  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:39:58am
Canuckistan,

You're a fucking liar, you've never played anything more violent than "Dolly's tea party" in your whole life.

LOL!

85 Crusader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:40:05am

Canuckistan isn't worth the effort--you can't *reason* someone out of a position they didn't use *reason* to reach.

86 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:40:21am

Another sign of Swedish decay: they fix their soccer games.

87 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:41:07am

From the NY Post:


Arab Media Report Victory Over U.S. - Amir Taheri (New York Post)

The group that beheaded Paul Johnson calls itself "The Fallujah Brigade," after the Iraqi city which was the scene of a brief insurgency a few weeks ago.

The Arab media, especially the satellite TV channels, presented the Fallujah insurgency as "one of the greatest battles the Arabs have ever waged against the Crusaders," as an editorial in the daily Al-Arab claimed.

The Arab media claimed that the U.S. had deployed "all its military might" to conquer Fallujah and had failed.

The "heroes of Fallujah" fought like lions and succeeded in winning "a spectacular victory," thus "saving Arab honor."

More than a dozen Arab poets have already committed odes and sonnets to commemorate Fallujah as "the Arab Stalingrad."

The satellite channels that peddled those lies are all owned by Arab governments (including the Saudi one) or individuals related to the ruling families.

What really happened in Fallujah?

According to the UAE Red Crescent, "The number of those who died did not exceed 270, almost all fighters, not civilians. The resistance was made up of former [Iraqi army] officers with a small number of [non-Iraqi] Arabs representing Salafist [radical Islamist] groups."

Paul Johnson was killed by the sheiks who finance Arab television, and who continue to finance the terror organizations.

See what happens when victory is NOT TOTAL and UNCONDITIONAL??? They claim a victory. This is why the beheadings are happening.

Does anyone know why Israeli citizens captured by arab terrorists are not beheaded??? Because every arab knows that he will be hunted down like an animal and killed. Just like the killers in the Munich Massacre. It took years, but Israel killed every one. When America starts doing that, the beheadings will stop. Guaranteed.

88 NDMNTX  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:42:15am

a trolling we will go... a trolling we will go... High ho the merry-o...

89 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:43:31am

Great. We have a registered Hosehead house troll.

Off to lunch on that note. . . .

90 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:44:06am
Canuckistan isn't worth the effort--you can't *reason* someone out of a position they didn't use *reason* to reach.

True, but as a comedic device, he's priceless.

91 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:44:56am

#87 Andy in Agoura Hills

Does anyone know why Israeli citizens captured by arab terrorists are not beheaded??? Because every arab knows that he will be hunted down like an animal and killed. Just like the killers in the Munich Massacre. It took years, but Israel killed every one. When America starts doing that, the beheadings will stop. Guaranteed.

Instead, Israelis are simply shot or blown up. The men who send the perpetrators sometimes die, but their deaths are quick. Some, like Arafat or Meshaal or Nasrallah, live for a long time.

BTW, one of the Munich murderers is still alive and in hiding.

92 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:46:00am

#50 Tiresomely predictable Canuck Conformist
"Cowboys and Indians"
Did you base this on actual film of Indians being butchered? Did your parents urge you to re-enact this for real and congratulate you for your Euro-ethnic zeal?
How many Indians have your people killed for real lately? (Oh, wait, you're Canadian, disregard that last question)

93 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:46:21am
94 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:46:41am

The real depravity is the parent who PROUDLY VIDEOED HIS KIDS PLAYACTING MURDER!

This video was shot by someone who paints swastikas on Jewish tombstones. Probably on welfare from the swedish motherstate claiming asylum from oppression.

95 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:47:41am

#87 Andy

Does anyone know why Israeli citizens captured by arab terrorists are not beheaded???

I'm 95% sure it'a because the zionists are the ones behind the beheadings.

96 David Simon  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:47:45am

#82 V the K - LMAO on the visual, spraying water through my nose on the narrative. Perfect.

97 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:48:29am

Those poor, tightly swathed kids are gonna cook their little brains from heatstroke. No wonder they have a fan nearby.

98 centaur  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:49:25am

Looks like canuckboy dropped a turd in here without reading any preceeding or follow up messages. Surely he/she/it crawled back into some hole with a smug sense of self-congrats that that little, predictable, unoriginal and sadly indefensible snippet of abject moral eq. got us evilneoconracists good. Probably bragging to his/her/its friends right now.

99 rockman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:50:02am

A culture that does this to children is capable of any evil imaginable.

100 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:50:17am

#91 Colt

BTW, one of the Munich murderers is still alive and in hiding.

I'm pretty sure he's not in hiding, but is a chief of police in Gaza. I'm not kidding.

101 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:51:46am

Re: Dolly's tea party. I used to have a doll named Kooky. She was a beatnik doll--sort of a hippie precursor who looked like she'd read lots of Jack Kerouac. Kooky had black stockings, long straight hair and lots of kohl around her eyes. When you pulled her string she said a variety of "hep" expressions like, "don't be a square" and "hey, man, it's faaar out". She even did a bit of bee-boppish scat singing. Definitely not a tea-party kind of chick, she looked like she preferred the kind of herbal relaxants that give you the munchies.

I don't know what happened to my Kooky, but I've been searching for another one on ebay and other sites for years, alas to no avail.

(Please forgive this nostalgic digression. I'm stuck at home for the second day running with a sick child and and suffering the effects of cabin fever.)

102 Bob G.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:53:41am

Yes, and when they "play doctor," the little boys perform mock clitoridectomies on the girls.

103 rebmiami  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:53:51am

15 V the K

re: the epithet Anti-Muslim Hate Site says more about them than it does about us.

Yes, to portray in an accurate manner what some Muslims actually write and say in their own words, and to portray what they do in material they themselves prepare is so offensive to the mushy headed moral equivalence that is the unofficial civil religion of America that anyone with an interest in doing such a thing must be hater. I think I may have just hit something I've been buzzing around for a long time, that explains the vehement resistance I get from non-LLL friends and acquaintances when I pop LGF memes on them -- I'll say "something has gone wrong with Islam as a world religion" -- pop - jerk "no, all religions have their extremists." We're so used to joking on here when an attack occurs that it must have been Presbyterians or Buddhists, that I think we may have lost sight of how far we have departed from a very strong ideological pillar of the American civil religion -- not only are all religions free to practice, but they are all valid, and we are prohibited from criticizing the substance of their beliefs (except evangelical Christianity and that is largely because they depart from the civil religion by evangelizing other religions, implicitly criticizing them as wrong). We have no problem going balls out to extinguish a murderous ideology like Nazism, but because the murderous ideology we are facing is hiding in a mosque, we are all fucked up as a society in how to fight it. What genius.

There was a very touching story last night on Larry King on CNN (wife was flipping channels) about a 13 year old poet with muscular dystrophy who died. This kid obviously believed in peace with all his heart, believed that there is only one God, and each religion is a path to that God, and that that God loves all the names he is called but doesn't want us to fight over which is the right name. Sigh. Deep breath. Very very touching beliefs but entirely useless to respond to someone whose believes God wants him to kill you. That's the whole point. They will not stop until we kill enough of them, and that will probably be an awful lot.

Shit I would settle if they'd just at least stop calling us racists. Islam is not an ethnic group, it is supposedly a religion. And I really, honestly do not hate Islam. I am angry and frustrated that this religion is not violently and vehemently puking out, disavowing, condemning, and eviscerating the jihadis. Every day that they don't, I slide a little more into seeing them as complicit sypathizers. Personally, as I often have written here, I don't care if you believe the world is on the back of a turtle, that Hale Bopp comet is a spaceship, or that Gabriel dictated a book to Mohammed. The only time I care what you do in your appointed place of worship is when the end result is that you are being incited to kill me. That, and no more, is the extent of my concern with Islam as a whole -- its implicit tolerance of murderous incitement. To be fair, after Mr. Johnson, I'm starting to hear peeps of protest here and there. CAIR itself has even made some helpful noises, albeit corrupted with too much qualifying material (yes, but the U.S. should watch how it conducts itself, and attacks on Muslims will only lead to further "misunderstanding", etc.).

It's gotta be sound bite short, though.

How about this:

I don't hate Islam, I hate the murderers who acted in its name. If you insist that means I hate Islam, that means you are insisting that true Islam is inextricably tied to murderous practices. I'm sorry to hear that, I was rather hoping the religion could be reformed...

104 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:54:57am

#91 Colt

Sorry to disagree, but the Israeli businessman that was just released still had his head on his shoulders. The 3 dead soldiers were not decapitated. I believe I did say captured Israeli citizens, did I not??? Blowing up one's body in order to kill Jews, precludes the possibility of capture and beheading.

As for the Munich Massacre, all those terrorists IN MUNICH at the time have been killed. The last one to die was in Lebanon. If you believe one is still alive, I'd like to know the name. However, I remember it the other way.

105 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:55:05am

V the K (#82),

LOL!

106 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:55:49am

#9 BH

. . . Yeah, and can you imagine the uproar that would ensue if lots of people started buying Crusader toys for their kids? "Islamophobic!" "Violent!" "Politically incorrect!" "Teaching hate!"

/To say nothing of the fecal matter that would hit the whirling fan if it were discovered that schools were teaching kids history by having them dress up as Crusaders, assume Medieval names such as "Bohemond" and "Charles Martel", and pretend that they were off to rescue the Holy Land. (As happened recently in California, with schools teaching Islam.)

/Or, if a group of college students, at some fine institution of higher learning, such as UCI (heh, heh, heh. . . ) insisted upon carrying banners to their graduation, inscribed with the slogan "Deus Lo Volt!" (God wills it---Crusader motto) in order to express their faith, explaining, of course, that it means nothing violent, that it is just a Christian's way of obeying God's will. . .

#50 Canukistan

Read post #10, Jeff S, and post #12, Brent.

107 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:55:59am

#98 centaur

Looks like canuckboy dropped a turd in here without reading any preceeding or follow up messages.

Unfortunately, an effective troll may only need one stupid comment to derail an entire thread.

108 Smit  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:57:37am

Egypt to Arafat - Behave or we won't protect you in Gaza!

Egypt Gives Arafat Deadline

An Egyptian presence could help prevent a collapse into factional anarchy or an Islamist takeover in the Gaza Strip...

But Egyptian help depends on Palestinian security reforms that would mean Arafat ceding some powers as well as on agreement from armed factions wary of Cairo's role in a territory held by Egypt until the 1967 Middle East war.

"We have two months to issue decisions, make necessary security reforms and security appointments and advance the dialogue between factions," Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie told Reuters. "After that, security experts from Egypt will arrive."

A war between Hamas and PLO/Egypt?

109 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:58:30am
#98 centaur

Looks like canuckboy dropped a turd in here without reading any preceeding or follow up messages.

I was pointing out that kids will reenact what they see on TV, even if it involves killing people.

As for not responding... what, do you think I take the tea-party allegations seriously?

110 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:58:46am

#108 Smit

A war between Hamas and PLO/Egypt?

Yes, please.

111 Joel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:58:47am
a parallel universe inhabited by demons.

Charles no truer words were ever spoken. It is as if these "people" inhabit another planet, their values are so f***-up. I really want total separation form these monsters (after militarily beating them and forcing them to acknowledge that they are beaten).

112 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:59:47am

#109

Do you think they saw the whole Berg video on TV?

113 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:00:35am

#49 V the K

I'm really glad to have Glenn Beck as an alternative to Hannity on the drive homeward.

Cool, thanks for the tip. If I hear one more shill for that damn calcium supplement...

114 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:00:41am

#100 amir

I'm pretty sure he's not in hiding, but is a chief of police in Gaza. I'm not kidding.

That's ballsy.

Sorry to disagree, but the Israeli businessman that was just released still had his head on his shoulders. The 3 dead soldiers were not decapitated. I believe I did say captured Israeli citizens, did I not??? Blowing up one's body in order to kill Jews, precludes the possibility of capture and beheading.

The three soldiers' bodies were desecrated, and photos displayed along the Lebanon-Israel armistice line - Charles had photos.

Since Munich, thousands of Israelis and Jews have been murdered by Arab terrorists. But because they weren't beheaded, Israel has a lot to be proud of? The Israeli record fighting Arab terrorists is better than most, but not exactly the benchmark.

115 Goldie  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:01:17am

When I was little, I was obsessed with dolls, especially stuffed animals. Every time my sister and I did something new, like skiiing or roller skating, we'd try to recreate the scene for our dolls once we got home. (She had the brilliant idea of rigging up a ski lift from the window shade - and we made paper roller skates for everydolly.)

Now I realize we were actually playing at being prison wardens to a bunch of oppressed stuffed souls, yearning to be free of the humiliation. Oh, the humanity.

116 Joel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:01:27am

#104 Andy

The last time I read one fo the three mosnters that Germany freed is alive and hiding in Africa. He was interviewed in the excellent documentary "One Day In Spetember."

117 Jeff S.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:02:29am

Thank you, logger and Colt. Either I'm prescient, or they're predictable.

118 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:02:44am

Er, the second part of #114 was for Andy from Agoura Hills.

119 aaron  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:02:47am

you'll note that the source of the video is shareeah.org, currently lurking in a datacenter in Hong Kong...

IP: 210.245.167.135

ISP: hostrino.com
Shop 1012
Tuen Mun Town Plaza Phase 1
Tuen Mun
NT
Hong Kong SAR

The site is registered to and hosted by the notorious Islamist webhosting outfit 357hosting.com

Registrant Name:A. R.
Registrant Organization:357Hosting
Registrant Street1:Postbox 674
Registrant City:Nieuwegein
Registrant Postal Code:3430 AR
Registrant Country:NL
Registrant Email:host357@hotmail.com

120 Joel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:03:00am

#114 Colt

When the Isrealis put the mark on someone, that perosn is as good as dead. The problem is that Israel pulls its punches too much.

121 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:03:19am

#106 TalkinKamel

explaining, of course, that it means nothing violent, that it is just a Christian's way of obeying God's will. . .

Ahh, yes, a spiritual Crusade! For inner peace, or something.

122 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:03:35am

#114 Colt

Okay, fair enough. Where can I see these photos??? On LGF???

123 bp sf  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:04:03am

Allah be damned.

If you have four Yahrzeit candles in your house, please light them for the poor kids in that sick clip. Those children are as good as dead, never to know joy or what this wonderful world has to offer.

And fuck the clown who ran the camera.

124 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:04:32am

112 Rednek

Do you think they saw the whole Berg video on TV?

I wouldn't be surprised if Al Jazera showed it.

125 Rootless Cosmo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:04:50am

Ok, now we've got 4 beheadings, the bridge incident and other cold-blooded murders from these animals. Sooner or later, they're going to provoke a response from outside our government and our military. Then what happens? Do cab drivers start disappearing in Brooklyn? Do fires start breaking out in mosques? The responses from the hometown of the most recent American victim of beheading is telling: ordinary folk are starting to view all Muslims as the enemy. Woe betide Islam if that becomes the norm.

On the other hand, are we being left with any other choice?

126 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:05:27am

#103 - rebmiami, exactly. I think by civic religion you mean "political correctness" (i.e. "factual wrongness") Any you are correct that those who have the most invested in it (like Gordo) also have the most violent reaction when it is challenged (like Gordo.)

But the other civic religion of the Western world is self-indulgence, part of which is spiritual self-induglence, manifested itself in the belief that one can make up one's own god, one's own religion, and it is no less valid than any other.

Once you do that, of course, it becomes much easier to erase Christianity, since Christianity is no more valid than a hippie worshipping a pile of leaves and dog droppings in his backyard.

#98 and #107 --- I enjoyed making fun of Canuckistroll. If he wants to come by and be ridiculed again... any time, Hoser, my boy.

127 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:05:45am

There are a number of conclusions that can be drawn from the little tykes' video

1) They saw the Nick Berg video in its entirety
2) A parent or older sibling likely showed them the video
3) A parent or older sibling likely let them use video equipment to play-act the Berg video
4) A parent or older sibling likely posted the play-acting video on the internet because they thought it was cute.

All of these are disturbing conclusions.

All have nothing to do with playing Cowboys and Indians.

128 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:06:04am

#120 Joel

I don't doubt their abilities, just their willingness. The methods used in Operation Wrath of G-d would be effective against terrorist financiers.

129 Smit  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:06:04am

Re: "One Day in September:"

Jarnil Al Gashey... discusses his state of mind back in 1972--his desperate wish to return to his family's homeland, and his expectation that he would never be able to do so. Although the Israeli Mossad (Secret Service) eventually killed the other two surviving terrorists, Al Gashey has been in hiding somewhere in Africa ever since, where he lives with his wife and daughters.

One Day In September

130 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:06:18am

Colt and Andy

"Amin el-Hindi, chief of the PA's General Intelligence Service,
helped plan the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre in which David Berger, a
member of the Israeli athletic team who was also an American citizen, was
murdered. (New York Times, October 14, 1993)"

link

131 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:07:49am

125 Rootless Cosmo

Ok, now we've got 4 beheadings, the bridge incident and other cold-blooded murders from these animals. Sooner or later, they're going to provoke a response from outside our government and our military. Then what happens? Do cab drivers start disappearing in Brooklyn?

Your anger is misplaced. Brooklyn cab drivers had nothing to do with the bridge incident or beheadings in Iraq.

132 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:07:56am

OT: Nutty SC senator Fritz Hollings declares that we Americans are infidels.

He also states categorically that "there was no evidence or intelligence of 'Iraqi support for terrorism against the United States”', and that "President Bush must have known that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq". Of course, there didn't USED to be terrorists in Iraq, but NOW there are--they've been allowed to come into the country and "reek [sic] havoc". Oh, and, "[i]n the war against terrorism, we’ve given the terrorists a cause." See, they didn't have one before; they destroyed the WTC just for shits n' giggles.

Another stunning revelation from Fritz: "Peoples the world around have a history of culture and religion."


(Via Taranto)

133 Mississippi Kid  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:08:03am

#113

If I hear one more shill for that damn calcium supplement...

Amen to that, Hannity's views aren't a problem, it's that he's horrible as a talk show host. The man just can't argue.

134 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:08:27am

98 Centaur


Comments 10 and 12 shouldn't count against Canuckistan because they never said "White Genocidal Oppressors and Peaceful Indigenous Americans.

He would've caught that for sure.

135 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:10:37am

. . . And, of course, one can imagine the howls of dismay that would arise from the L3's if somebody were to create, say, a "Lil' Crusaders" cartoon show, or comic book, or a, "Richard the Lionheart" adventure show---even if said comic/cartoon/newspaper strip desperately tried to be politically correct, and "show both sides of the story", etc., etc., etc., yadda, yadda; "Islamophobia!" "Moslems will be offended!" "The Episcopal Church will be offended!" "EVERYBODY will be offended! AAAIII, the horror, the horror!"

136 The Big Guy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:12:09am

#50 Canuckifart

When I was a kid, I also played that game. We also played cops and robbers.

Good guys v. bad guys?

Strange, I don't play those games anymore. I wonder why?

Oh, I know!

I FUCKING GREW UP!!!

BTW, by Europeans you meant Spanish, and North America, you meant Mexico, right?

137 rebmiami  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:13:10am

106, 121
A "crusade" for inner peace -- LOL!!!

The Crusaders were not nice. They murdered civilians in Jerusalem, including thousands of Jews. They sacked Constantinople for no reason. They were certainly nowhere near politically correct, nor did they mirror the best of Christ's teaching. However, they stopped the spread of Islam by military conquest. There would otherwise not have been a Christian West, and we would all probably speak Arabic (linguistic imperialism marked the first wave of Arab conquests, particularly in North Africa -- this didn't happen in the subsequent Ottoman version).

Similarly the Serbs, Hungarians, and other Eastern Europeans held the line against Turkish expansionism for centuries, in a manner reminiscent of Tolkien's fictitious kingdom of Gondor at the gates of Mordor. This did not refine their characters, and they still have a mean streak. They were putting Ottomans on spikes feet first while French artists were painting water lilies and such.

138 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:13:13am

#122 Andy in Agoura Hills

Yeah, they're on LGF.

According to this, Abu Daoud (the man who organised the Munich hostage-taking) was shot by Mossad in Warsaw in 1981. He apparently survived and went to live in Jordan, before requesting asylum in... Ramallah in 1999. He even voted in the Palestinian National Council in 1996. However, after revealing his role in the 1972 attack, Germany and Israel issued an arrest warrant. As of August 2002, he claimed he was in Cyprus.

139 CopsWife  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:14:06am

What? No "this isnt islam" or "this goes against the teaching of islam" from muslims...

They wanted us to learn about their "religion" wanted us to know the "real islam" so we read the koran, look at the horror that is in that book and they still try telling us "this is against islam". They would have been better off keeping us in the dark about their "religion", would have been easier to bullshit us that way. Too many people are becoming educated and aquainted with the koran for that nonsense to work anymore.

As for the "kids" I am sorry to say that there are not children, just future jihadists. From birth they dont stand a chance, yes a very few might wake up and think for themselves before its too late, but for the vast majority its birth, hate and death...

140 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:15:43am

#129 #130

Hmmm, to quote Rick Blaine: "I was misinformed". However, if Israel knows where these guys are, why don't they kill them???

141 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:17:22am
Hannity's views aren't a problem, it's that he's horrible as a talk show host. The man just can't argue.

That is exactly my issue with Hannity. A couple of days ago, he was arguing with Bill Press. Hannity could not get off the point that Press was condemning Bush for "lying" about WMD, but not condemning Kerry or Clinton, who also said Saddam had WMD, or Kerry for voting for the war authorization. Press said it was alright for Kerry and Clinton to threaten Saddam, because they never went to war about it. To me, the obvious vulenrability of Press's argument is that Kerry is saying he wouldn't follow through on threats of military action --- sheer idiocy. And Press all but handed him the opening on a silver platter... but Hannity couldn't get off trying (futilely) to get Press to admit that he was a hypocrite.

Hannity's monologues are fine. It's when he tries to argue that listening to him gets frustrating.

142 FabioC.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:21:34am

Another evidence that Islamists are dwelling in a pit of depravity of unfathomable depth. They are producing a mock "society" made of men with the same mindset of serial killers, and women nurturing this horror. Only because they think an entity called Allah takes pleasure in that.
If this disease of the soul spreads more than it has done, the confrontation between the free society and this aberration will cause death and destruction on a scale never seen before.

143 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:22:11am
144 [Engineer]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:22:11am

#98 centaur

ooks like canuckboy dropped a turd in here without reading any preceeding or follow up messages.

Of course, that is what he always does. He just wants people to
talk about him and people here fall for it everytime.

If you answer the trolls or talk about them THEY WIN. They want to derail the thread so that the evil LGF can't talk about the subject and, most times they win.

Just GAZE at the trolls and they will go mess up some other blog.

145 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:22:58am

"Abu Daoud, the leader and planner, remains at large even though he admitted his role in his autobiography. He claims his terrorist agents never intended to harm the athletes and blamed their deaths on the German police and the stubbornness Golda Meir. Daoud was awarded the Palestine Prize for Culture in 1999 for his book.

Besides Daoud, at least one other PLO terrorist linked to the planning of the Munich attack is living freely in the PA areas: Amin al-Hindi, who heads Arafat's General Intelligence Service. Israel objected in 1995 when Arafat tried to appoint another Munich suspect, Mustafa Liftawi (Abu Firas), as PA police chief in Ram'Allah.

In January 24, 2000, the official newspaper of Yasir Arafat's Palestinian Authority (Al-Hayat Al-Jadida) urged Arab regimes to boycott the summer Olympic Games in Australia, because a moment of silence was planned at the start of the games in memory of the eleven Israeli athletes murdered by Arafat's PLO terrorists at the 1972 Munich Olympics."
Daoud was awarded the Palestine Prize for Culture in 1999 for his book.

146 jinni  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:24:12am

#138 Colt: I asked Dan about al Muqrin's age on the 'Fearsome Visage' thread at Winds. I've seen four different versions.

147 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:24:18am

My friends and I used to play 'Indiana Jones' and run, dive, and roll under a closing automatic garage door. Whoever came closest to getting squished won the game, I guess.

We also used to beg my uncle to drag us behind his car on sleds in the snow while we held on to jump-ropes tied to the bumper.

Kids are stupid. They need parents. These poor kids only have jihadis to guide them.

148 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:27:29am

Since most of my childhood was in the post-"Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" period, I grew up playing Indians and Cowboys. We all wanted to be Indians. I always wanted to be a Seminole, because I thought they were particularly cool, for reasons which I don't remember.

In any event, I honestly don't recall that we would begin by exclaiming, "let's re-enact genocide!". But maybe that's just my faulty memory.

In other news, alleged boy sooper-genius Al Gore didn't break 1400 on his SATs. And yet he still went on to invent the Internet. It just goes to show you.

149 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:28:17am

#101 scaramouche

Dee Dee Beatnik ???

150 jinni  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:28:56am

[engineer] Well said! I don't understand why anyone bothers with trolls anymore-- Why did Charles put in all that work for Shield Lockdown Mode anyways? Ignore them, they'll just melt away for lack of attention. I really wuv the new, improved, LGF! :-)

151 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:29:46am

49
There is so much excellent competition for the afternoon drive here that Hannity is moved (by delay) to evening - when there is VERY little else on.
I never understood his hard-on for Ollie North, for all that. Then again, I never understood how he stayed out of jail. I was, however, 'only' 16 at the time...

152 Delta Burka  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:30:34am

This video has been posted before.

Who says all parents love their children?

153 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:30:50am

OT - Army unit claims victory over sheik

The Army's powerful 1st Armored Division is proclaiming victory over Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr's marauding militia that just a month ago seemed on the verge of conquering southern Iraq.
The Germany-based division defeated the militia with a mix of American firepower and money paid to informants. Officers today say "Operation Iron Saber" will go down in military history books as one of the most important battles in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq.
154 CyberPinoy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:30:51am

OT (but not really):


(From the Beheading Broadcasting Companÿ)
Saudis offer amnesty to militants

Saudi Arabia has announced an amnesty for terror suspects who turn themselves in within a month.
A statement read out on state TV on behalf of King Fahd said the amnesty would cover anyone who had "committed a crime in the name of religion".

"Those who turn themselves in voluntarily within a month of this speech ... will be treated according to God's law," it said.

The al-Qaeda leader in Saudi Arabia was shot dead by Riyadh police on Friday.

Abdul Aziz al-Muqrin died in a shoot-out in the capital Riyadh during a police search for him and his associates, wanted for the beheading of a US engineer, Paul Johnson.

Correspondents say King Fahd's amnesty offer appears to amount to a pardon for those who do not have blood on their hands.

It was read out by the de facto ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah.

The government said the killing of Muqrin had substantially weakened al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia.

155 ErnieG  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:31:14am

I just got here, and I went to look at the .avi.

No point in reading the rest of the thread.

No point in coming up with something clever. Maybe later.

Right now I'm speechless.

156 Rootless Cosmo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:32:08am

#131 Canuckistan:

125 Rootless Cosmo


Ok, now we've got 4 beheadings, the bridge incident and other cold-blooded murders from these animals. Sooner or later, they're going to provoke a response from outside our government and our military. Then what happens? Do cab drivers start disappearing in Brooklyn?

Your anger is misplaced. Brooklyn cab drivers had nothing to do with the bridge incident or beheadings in Iraq.


What did Berg have to do with the insane Islamic rage that led to his murder? Try and help rebuild one of their societies? What about Pearl? Reporting? How about Johnson? Working to develop resources that would still be in the ground without the West? And the most recent victim? What did he do?

Sorry pal, time for the peaceful reformation of islam is running out -- or should I say the meter is running?

157 Andrew  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:35:17am

Canadiarabian (#50)

Please engage in some serious intellectual and moral retrospection.

Are you rebelling for a just cause, or is your conscious decision to choose obvious evil over good a product of the subtle forces of manipulation and propaganda?

Are you aware of the term 'Useful idiot"?

The record of Islam suggests a failure of instilling universal morality and values which are the recognized hallmarks of modern societies throughout the world.

These values and morals are deeply rooted in the Judaeo/Christian tradition and is what seperates us from them.

The question is, do you wish to darken or possibley lose your soul by enlisting in the army of the Satanic Nihilists?

Or do you wish to stand in opposition to their ambitions by at the very least recoginizing and opposing it in any small way you can for the greater good of humanity and posterity.

The degree of violence committed by islamists on a global scale throughout history is not the exception, but the norm. I wish it were the exception.

I wish I saw more Muslims helping in the war against this titanic evil. But their deafining silence only indicates that the vast majority secretly (And not so secretly)subscribe to the spirit of global Jihad.

BY BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THE TRUTH, YOU ARE IN EFFECT INTENTIONALLY CHOOSING EVIL OVER GOOD? WHY ARE YOU COMPELLED TO DO SO?

P.S. Think about what you risk.

158 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:36:56am

#149 Right Wing Conspirator

Very close. Dee Dee seems to be a non-talking version of Kooky, although mine had long brown hair and wore a striped shift over her leotards.

159 The Big Guy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:39:14am

#53 Goatlover
I wholeheartedly agree: it is exactly no different.

I whole heartedly disagree; It is entirely different. When playing cowboys and indians, or cops and robbers, we would be even. Not outnumbered. Not on your knees waiting to die.

160 California Observer  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:39:25am

I am speechless.

161 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:39:47am

#154 CyberPinoy

Saudis offer amnesty to militants

Saudi Arabia has announced an amnesty for terror suspects who turn themselves in within a month.

Translation:

Saudi Arabia has announced it is suspending all counter terrorism operations for the next month.

162 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:43:12am

148


No defense of al Goor, but I had to take the SATs a second time to break 1400.


What did he get?

(My best, picking and choosing between versions was 740 V, 720 M, but my best in a single SAT was 1440 (740V, 700 M).

I suspect all the beer I drank, around the world has knocked at least 100 points off of each.

163 merav  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:43:52am

Unspeakable evil. Child molestation.

Absolutely inexcusable.

164 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:45:59am

OT: Far be it for me to suggest the French are a bunch of pussies, but...

The southern French city of Marseille called off a three-week hunt for a black panther on Tuesday after the animal sighted by several residents turned out to be a large house cat.
165 jrdroll  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:47:15am

OT Baghdad Stock Exchange ISX set to open:

By the way, we were informed formally that the ISX is starting tomorrow and it’s no more the decision of the coalition advisors, they have passed this responsibility to the general manager of the ISX to decide when to open after he can secure the building and have ready staff to start.


[Link: iraq-iraqis.blogspot.com...]

166 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:48:42am

Right Wing Conspirator (#153),

Army unit claims victory over sheik

Um, no way dude, yesterday Bill K. told us that BushCarter ran away crying from Fallujah utterly defeated.

Why would you believe the Generals in charge of the operations over him?

167 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:48:52am

154

Have I ever mentioned I've been drunk in both Pampanga and Zambales provinces (Angeles, Olongapo, Barrio Barreto and Subic City).

I still regret being in the airport in Anchorage, during my brief break of my Flying Tigers Airlines 747 flight (in-flight movie: "The Natural", with Robert Redford (up until then, I had always assumed FT was a cargo airline)) and not buying a couple of beers due to excessive price, as I can't claim to have ever been drunk in Alaska.


Ditto the airport in Pittsburgh, back when I flew Allegheny to visit my grandmother in the suburbs of Boston.

168 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:49:12am

Uh-oh! Breaking News

US war crimes immunity bid fails

The US has given up trying to get its soldiers immunity from prosecution at the new International Criminal Court.

It has withdrawn its attempt to have its exemption renewed by the United Nations Security Council, because it failed to gain enough support.

The US won special status for the last two years, arguing its troops could be subject to malicious prosecution.

But UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said it should not be renewed, partly because of the prisoner abuse scandal.

169 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:50:14am

OT - FoxNews - Purported Zarqawi Tape Threatens Iraqi PM

From the article (purported al-Zarqawi):

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on Earth," the voice said.
170 merav  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:52:18am

I'm tempted to send this video to islamonline and ask the "moderate" muslims there to denounce its disgustingness. But from what we've seen on the other thread, they'd probably celebrate it.

Charles, is it a parallel universe? Or is it Hell in a transparent wrapping? Is this twisted sewage what is meant by the statement, "Hell is the absence of justice?"

Maybe what we're glimpsing is emissions from Hell.

171 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:52:20am

Another good news story

Army unit claims victory over sheik

Gen. Hertling said Mahdi's Army is defeated, according the Army's doctrinal definition of defeat. A few stragglers might be able to fire a rocket-propelled grenade, he said, but noted: "Do they have the capability of launching any kind of offensive operation? Absolutely not."

The division estimates it killed at least several thousand militia members.


Ahhh...That was nice...I want to read that again


The division estimates it killed at least several thousand militia members.

Once more

The division estimates it killed at least several thousand militia members.

oh yeah.

172 Ribbity Frog  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:52:34am

Those little kids blow up so quickly these days.

173 Megan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:52:34am

I can just imagine hearing some idiot (like Michael Moore or Kofi Annan) saying that it's America's fault for making those poor innocent children and their parents hate us so much that they would do something like this. And then they'd say that those kids (and parents) aren't antiamerican, but they just diasagree with George Bush's policies and would absolutely love us if only we were smart enough to elect Kerry as president.

174 Baldy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:54:30am

OT: Man Kills Wife, Three In-Laws and Niece in Okara (Daily Times, Pakistan)

Khizar Hayat, a retired soldier from Akbar village, married Bakhtawar (daughter of Shahdat Ali) of 49/3-R village in Okara eight years ago. Khizar had suspected his wife of having illicit relations with someone and after a dispute, she left his house for her parent’s two weeks ago.

OT: Expo Captures Iraqi's Plight (Gulf Daily News, Bahrain) THE National Committee to Support Iraqi People is holding a photography exhibition today at the Ebrahim Khalil Kanoo auditorium at Al Oruba Club, Juffair. The exhibition, under the theme American Freedom to Hell, hosts 45 photographs of atrocities committed by US

175 kippy kipod  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:56:13am

I'm disgusted, again. This is becoming a state of normalcy...can one really get used to the urpy feeling inside the stomach that scenes like this cause?

I think the worst part of the video (for some reason, thank g-d, there was no audio) was the little kid playing "nick berg" who practically died of laughter as his friend sawed at his neck.

*puke* [upon the parents]

as far as the beheading count goes, DEBKA reports:

In three weeks, al Qaeda has executed 14 captive Americans or allied nationals in Saudi Arabia and Iraq by beheading or cutting their throats.

FOURTEEN??? In three weeks???

/dumbfounded

176 pat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:56:16am

#161 Paco Exactly the same read I have> The Saudis are basically asking the terrorists to go to Iraq or elsewhere to fight the infidels. I quarantee airfare and money are part of the deal.

177 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:56:36am

Democrat (of course) Senator Echoes al-Qaeda Line, Calls Americans "Infidels"

Even though Saddam is gone, the majority of the Iraqi people want us gone. We have proven ourselves 'infidels.'

- Senator Fritz Hollings, New member of the "jihadist" wing of the Democratic Party.

178 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:56:53am

(#148) OR

In other news, alleged boy sooper-genius Al Gore didn't break 1400 on his SATs. And yet he still went on to invent the Internet. It just goes to show you.

But that test is culturally biased ... (true - that bias is supposedly in his favor, but still.) ;-)

Speaking of Gore, did you see he's speaking at GULC tomorrow, in the Moot Courtroom.


The American Constitution Society
is pleased to invite you to a speech by:

Vice President Al Gore

Thursday, June 24, 2004 from 12:00 - 2:00 p.m.
Georgetown University Law Center
McDonough Hall - 2nd Street Entrance
Moot Court Room
600 New Jersey Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 20001

In a major Washington policy address sponsored by ACS, former Vice President Al Gore will accuse the Bush Administration of intentionally misleading the American people by continuing to falsely claim a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

Gore will also discuss the implications of the Administration's claim to be above the law in ordering the torture of suspects - and their claim that the Commander in Chief's power trumps all other laws. He will call for the Administration to reveal all orders given the military on the treatment of prisoners.

I don't suppose they'll offer equal rebuttal time to someone who's not showing latent signs of mental illness.

179 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:57:18am

148:

Well, growing up in the 50's we did at least as much WWII as we did 'Cowboys and Indians' -- and the bad guys in that game were the 'dirty Japs'

But, then again, the Japanese had a great deal to answer for: the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, etc., etc. (A good friend of my dad's was a survivor of the Bataan Death March, and he wouldn't have anyting to do with anything Japanese or any Japanese person.)

180 Lou Gots  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:58:35am

More re the Cowboys and Indians: Obviously, there is lack of moral equivalence between reenanctment of the combat incident to wresting the frontier from the savage and celebration of the butchery of helpless, bound prisoners.

But that's all right: just wait until we start playing Cowboys and Camel Jockeys.

181 M. Murcek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:58:36am

They're warming us all up for a day when "exterminate them all" will necessarily mean exterminating a bunch of vicious tykes.

And, no, doing it won't make us "just as bad as them."

182 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:59:02am

Paco from Sefarad,

No more US involvement in UN "peacekeeping" missions. Fcuk the Socialist bastards. The UN has long ago strayed from it's original intended purpose and is now the most corrupt institution in the world. It is nothing more than a club for Marxist ideologues and Third World dictators to blame the US for all their problems. Fcuk 'em.

183 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:59:03am

Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

Lots of hints and downloads for your personal online privacy and security:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

184 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:00:32am

I guess just beheading isn't enough anymore


Booby-trap planted in beheaded South Korean

Maybe we should start strapping bombs onto some Muhammads and catapulting them into Fallujah.

185 Atlas Wannabe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:01:32am

Canuck-a-fuck

"I was pointing out that kids will reenact what they see on TV, even if it involves killing people."

No you weren't. You were saying that these kids weren't doing anything more harmful than we did as children. That they are equivalent - the same as - us. But you were wrong. W-R-O-N-G.

IF either of my children saw the Nick Berg video they would puke, cry, puke and then not sleep for a week. Notice how different that is than what you see in that video clip.

What DID your kids do when you showed then the Nick Berg video?

186 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:02:30am

#184 Moses Cleveland

Their freaking depravity never ceases to amaze me.

187 Megan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:07:02am

132: From the article by Fritz Hollings

We have proven ourselves “infidels.”

Good. But it seem like we're underachieving. Why try and prove ourselves "infidels" when we could prove ourselves to be "the Great Satan?"

188 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:07:36am

#176 pat 

I hadn't read the BBC report.

"Those who turn themselves in voluntarily within a month of this speech ... will be treated according to God's law," it said.

[snip]

Correspondents say King Fahd's amnesty offer appears to amount to a pardon for those who do not have blood on their hands.

It was read out by the de facto ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah.

189 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:07:44am

Ed grasping at straws for hope of early season tropical cyclone action and then being bitterly dissapointed when nothing happens watch.

Although that probably isn't a bad thing as the Gulf Coast will get Beaucoup rainfall without any tropical enhancement anyway watch

There is a blow-up of thunderstorms off the Tamaulipas coast this morning.
Over water temperatures near/over 28C, with the water vapor loop perhaps suggesting a little bit of short wave ridging over the storms between the pronounced upper lows over the Eastern Gulf and northern Mexico, which might aid upper diffluence and reduce shear.

Another view of the convective cluster from the long range Brownsville, TX WSR-88D NexRad Doppler radar loop.

Bad news is that models don't forecast development

But is that really bad news, considering I lost all my engineering textbooks in 2001 Tropical Storm Allison, and thus will never pass the Practices and Principles exam, and will never become a Professional Engineer in the State of Texas, able to hang out a shingle as a consultant, and give expert testimony in a court of law?

Especially if we get 3 inches of rain (7.6 cm) today, and another 3 inches/7.6 cm tomorrow?

190 Oktober  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:08:13am

did you hear? that cowboy bush is giving more money to fight aids! when will this imperialist war against this down trodden, misunderstood disease end?!

Bushitler's imperialist war against AIDS

191 Tziporah  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:09:24am
192 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:10:19am

#182 Spiny Norman

That link is updated now:

Even though US troops abroad may now be subject to prosecution at the court in The Hague, Washington has already signed bilateral agreements with 89 countries to ensure they do not bring cases against its personnel.
193 solstice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:10:57am

I can't wait for IKEA's new line of minimalist, ergonomic products designed to make Jihad easy to use and easy on the eye. :-)

194 a soldier's dad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:11:18am

I'm coming in very late to this thread, but...

#15 V the K

With that statement, you have hit the nail on the head about folks like Gordon, Canukistan, Trollman, etc.

They are either complete fools or complete hypocrites because, they appear to be welling up inside about people on this blog that are venting frustrations or anger and make accusations about those dreaded LLL sins of stereotyping and profiling, all the while missing the reality that this is just a blog and that comments made here do not physically impact anyone. All the while, they express not an ounce of concern or compassion for the innocent victims of jihad, for the thousands and even millions that are slaughtered for their refusal to submit to islam.

"Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly." Proverbs 13:16
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm." Proverbs 13:20
"Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips." Proverbs 14:7

and just one more...

"The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception." Proverbs 14:8
195 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:13:11am
Correspondents say King Fahd's amnesty offer appears to amount to a pardon for those who do not have blood on their hands.

And for those who do have blood on their hands, what? A pat on the back, a new scimitar and a suggestion to religiously go out and do it again: outside Saudi Arabia?

Are the Muslims really going to be successful in driving us to a modern variant of General Philip Sheridan's view of Indians:

The only good Indians I ever knew were dead.
196 Cochrane Collins  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:15:00am

#148

If I remember correctly (and I don't have time to research this now), Al Gore also flunked out of Vanderbuilt law school, with straight F's in his only semester.

Cochrane Collins

197 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:15:20am

Ps: I like to think of Phil Sheridan as the Curtis LeMay of his day.

198 Killraven  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:15:57am

It's that weird Islamic parallel universe. When confronted with the Nick Berg murder and subsequent corpse mutilation, muslims here seem to do a lot of conflicting things.

1) pretend it's all part of the sad cycle. "what did we expect? we use bombs on them, right?"

2) deny it could have been muslims. "It's Americans or the Mossad in disguise! That guy was wearing a ring! and there was no blood, so despite the fact that we have a very real body, Nick Berg wasn't actually killed."

3) celebrate it privately and trade the videos back and forth. "Oh how cute! Kids re-enacting!" or all the ClearVision types talking about how they too would like to saw the heads off of infidels.

199 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:16:02am

Why is it that everytime I watch that ass with the RPG in the middle of the street get smoked I laugh harder?

200 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:17:04am

#158 scaramouche

See ! Sometimes my OCD can be a good thing :-P

Scooba Doo

*if that isn't it, I concede defeat.

201 Killraven  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:17:50am

(cont)..

The same cycle was used for the Danny Pearl kidnap and murder. (we didn't do it!..he deserved it!.. download the video right here!) and the WTC bombing. (It wasn't Osama, it was the Jews! See how the mighty Osama strikes back at the infidel!)

202 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:18:37am

C-Span is airing the debate/discussion over H. CON. RES. 460.


H. CON. RES. 460
Regarding the security of Israel and the principles of peace in the Middle East.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 22, 2004
Mr. DELAY (for himself, Mr. HOYER, Mr. HYDE, and Mr. LANTOS) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations


CONCURRENT RESOLUTION
Regarding the security of Israel and the principles of peace in the Middle East.

Whereas the United States is hopeful that a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be achieved;

Whereas the United States is strongly committed to the security of Israel and its well-being as a Jewish state;

Whereas Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has proposed an initiative intended to enhance the security of Israel and further the cause of peace in the Middle East;

Whereas President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Sharon have subsequently engaged in a dialogue with respect to this initiative;

Whereas President Bush, as part of that dialogue, expressed the support of the United States for Prime Minister Sharon's initiative in a letter dated April 14, 2004;

Whereas in the April 14, 2004, letter the President stated that in light of new realities on the ground in Israel, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949, but realistic to expect that any final status agreement will only be achieved on the basis of mutually agreed changes that reflect these realities;

Whereas the President acknowledged that any agreed, just, fair, and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a permanent alternative and the settling of Palestinian refugees there rather than in Israel;

Part 1

203 The Man from Copenhagen  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:19:40am

#89:
The swedes are indeed reprehensible people, but I can assure you that there was no cheating involved in that game of footy.

The Italians were just venting their disappointment over being knocked out of the championship, and a few hasty words were spoken.

204 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:21:49am

#198 KillRaven --- More logic, insight, and common sense in one post than Gordo or Canuck-a-troll have posted in their entire lives.

205 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:22:34am

Part 2

Whereas the principles expressed in President Bush's letter will enhance the security of Israel and advance the cause of peace in the Middle East;

Whereas there will be no security for Israelis or Palestinians until Israel and the Palestinians, and all countries in the region and throughout the world, join together to fight terrorism and dismantle terrorist organizations;

Whereas the United States remains committed to the security of Israel, including secure, recognized, and defensible borders, and to preserving and strengthening the capability of Israel to deter enemies and defend itself against any threat;

Whereas Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism, including the right to take actions against terrorist organizations that threaten the citizens of Israel;

Whereas the President stated on June 24, 2002, his vision of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side-by-side in peace and security and that vision can only be fully realized when terrorism is defeated, so that a new state may be created based on rule of law and respect for human rights; and

Whereas President Bush announced on March 14, 2003, that in order to promote a lasting peace, all Arab states must oppose terrorism, support the emergence of a peaceful and democratic Palestine, and state clearly that they will live in peace with Israel: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That Congress--

(1) strongly endorses the principles articulated by President Bush in his letter dated April 14, 2004, to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon which will strengthen the security and well-being of the State of Israel; and

(2) supports continuing efforts with others in the international community to build the capacity and will of Palestinian institutions to fight terrorism, dismantle terrorist organizations, and prevent the areas from which Israel has withdrawn from posing a threat to the security of Israel.

Jim Moran even rose in support of it, with a few equivocal points about the U.S. not engaging enough in the peace process.

Pelosi is rising strongly in support of it right now.

Nick Rahall "supported" it, but used his time as an opportunity to bash "neo-cons" and said that he wished that the bill wasn't so "one-sided."

The other people I've heard speak are Tom Lantos and Eric Cantor - who are both great on this issue.

It will be interesting to see what the vote will be.

206 a soldier's dad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:22:53am

#199 Moses Cleaveland

with the RPG in the middle of the street get smoked

I must have missed this somehow, but somebody mentioned it before in some other thread. Whats it all about???

(feeling clueless...)

207 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:23:18am

Lizards!!!

Try to stop feeding Canuckistan. He is a troll IMHO, and a screwed up Canadian jerk who doesn't deserve your attention. Everything he says is meant as a provocation, he doesn't want to learn anything.

Please, mentally put him on a plane to the Arab world where he belongs and don't feed him.

Please, please, sniff, snifff...

208 lazytart  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:23:51am

#Ed, #189, are you still having bloody snot?

209 grayp  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:23:57am

Ot burton the Whacked News of the Day front:

On Saturday and Sunday, 140 persons had requested admission to see the saviour and his mother. Police explained there never was such a patient, but were told: "I know you are lying. I can see it in your eyes."


ESSEN - A rumour that the messiah has been born to a Turkish woman in a maternity ward in western Germany has drawn crowds of Muslims from as far away as the Netherlands, but hospital officials said Wednesday the proclamation was an internet hoax.

210 Axiom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:24:12am

When I have nightmares I dream about my childhood where it is depicted that the Transformers and GI Joe shows were about real violence and real death. In later dreams I am older and a much more violent person and the surrounding world is entirely intolerant of humor.

Unfortunately for some children in this world my dreams are their reality.

211 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:24:31am

#196 Cochrane Collins

Gore's undergraduate transcript from Harvard is riddled with C's, including a C-minus in introductory economics, a D in one science course, and a C-plus in another. "In his sophomore year at Harvard," the Post reported, "Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale." Moreover, Gore's graduate school record - consistently glossed over by the press - is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of "Inventing Al Gore," he received F's in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C's. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).

link

212 selpaw  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:24:41am

The PC enabling appeasers of the world better get their act together for these little kids are without a doubt growing going to be far worse than their past/current depraved standard of role model. If this fact not send chills up and down ones spine, nothing will. What's wrong with the world? Alarm buzzers should be going off everywhere...!

What really gets to me more than anything is the EU, UN and almost everyone else condemn Israel 24/7 yet they ignore this and everything else the so-called RoP attest to. Some say whitewashing truth and political correctness in relation to all things Islam is seated in fear. If this is true than ignoring it and worse, lying about it will lead to our demise.

It is either us or them for we are surely talking about generations of evil here. Generations growing more dangerous by the moment. Generations that threaten the world! Something has to give because the handwriting is 'undeniably on the wall.'

213 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:24:53am
#126:
part of which is spiritual self-induglence, manifested itself in the belief that one can make up one's own god, one's own religion, and it is no less valid than any other.

[ring-ring!]

"Hello, LGF clue phone, Throbert speaking."

"muh-wanh-wuh, wanh waah?"

"Yes, V the K is on the thread somewhere -- can I tell him who's calling?"

"Woo-wuh wuh-wanh"

"Brigham Young? Hang on, let me..."

"Waah-wunh wahwah"

"Oh, Zombie Brigham Young, my bad. Okay, well, I don't see V around right this second. Can I take a message? Yeah, go ahead, I've got a pen..."

"Wuh-wunh-wunh-wah, wah wah wunh-woo..."

"Er, let's see, is that 'Ix-nay' with one X, or two?"

/ArrogantAtheist

214 a soldier's dad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:25:31am

Nevermind. Catching up now...

I'm at work and video files are blocked, so I'll have to check it out at home tonight...

215 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:27:58am

#206 a soldier's dad

There's a video linked here (#31 on this thread).

216 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:28:03am

#206 a soldier's dad

Hey, hold this in your face

There's also a nice apache helicopter clip from a few months back.

Enjoy.

217 ted  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:29:45am

OT..."So let's say John Kerry loses the election. What is he going to do with the rest of his life? He could go back to the Senate, but he's been spinning his wheels there for 20 years and must be getting tired of it. But the Boston Herald reports his wife has an idea:
Trying to erase the image of her husband as aloof, Teresa Heinz Kerry [Friday] insisted Sen. John F. Kerry "likes people" and went so far as to say he would make a great nursery school teacher.

"He actually does feel at ease in the world," Heinz Kerry said.

[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

You couldnt make this stuff up if you tried...!!!

218 Cochrane Collins  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:30:49am

#211

My bad for giving Al worse law school records than he got.

Point is well taken though. The guy is thick.

Cochrane Collins

219 kstagger  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:31:15am

#206 - direct link to vid is here

Terrorist Iraqi with RPG gets hit with M-249
http://www.ehowa.com/show/media.html?image=iraqiwi thrpg.wmv

220 Andy in Agoura Hills  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:33:58am

#191

Here's the money quote:

"If democracy in Iraq is anything like it is here, they are better off without it."

Lovely. F***ing lovely.

221 a soldier's dad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:35:31am

#215 and #216

Thanks for the help. I'll have to check them out from home tonight.

222 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:36:06am

SoCalJustice (#202, 205)

Thanks for the info. If that doesn't get the arabists all seething nothing will.

223 Nannette  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:36:54am

The Islamists are building whole new generations of terrorists who think that death, destruction and murder is "normal"...

Are there any more than .0001% of Muslims who are moderates?

224 Oktober  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:37:26am

they just dont understand

I hate cartoonists...except C&F of course :P

225 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:37:47am

#206 a soldier's dad


The video shows a freedom fighting Iraqi militant protesting the illegal and immoral occupation of a sovereign country as he is brutally gunned down by U.S. forces fighting Bush's war for oil.


/LLL turret's syndrome

226 BB  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:39:04am

Sick stuff. This is why the cultural war is just as important as the military war. UNfortunately the parents are to blame. These parnets are possed by demons, as mohammad was when he wrote aspects of the koran. Salaman Rushdie delved into it in the satanic verses. These children have been polluted. the teachers of these children are polluted. The demons of this world have found a champion in Mohammads teachings. Allah is the excuse for such demon worshiping. There is no prayer to a lord. The work of the lord does not get passes on in the actions of a beheading of another person just because they have another religion. But in islam, pushing your faith in demon gods is a standard. The islamo demon worshipers need a lesson taught to them that they can teach their kids. Sometimes, the one being beheaded has friends and family, like them. And one day, maybe not today or tommorrow, they will have justice served one way or the other upon the islamo demons.

227 [Engineer]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:42:07am

#179 rob

the Japanese had a great deal to answer for: the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, etc., etc. (A good friend of my dad's was a survivor of the Bataan Death March, and he wouldn't have anyting to do with anything Japanese or any Japanese person.)

My first girl friend's father didn't have any fingernails, they had been pulled out in a Japanese POW camp. He was Air Force and many service men married Japanese after the war so he was around Japanese women a lot. He could deal with the women he said because they had been kind to them in the camps, but he would leave the room if a Japanese man walked in. Somethings you do not and should not forget.

228 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:43:10am

I mean really! Will my fellow Americans please, please, please, wake up! The enemy is near, more near than we think, when they start instructing their children on how to kill the "Infidel" then time has come!

I plead with you America vote for Dubya, or suffer the consequences, I will not suffer, I have been trained in counterinsurgency!!!

229 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:43:19am

#149 Right Wing Conspirator

Bingo! Man, you're good.

230 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:44:28am

#205 SoCalJustice

I'm at work so I can't watch, but I'd appreciate a heads up if my local Jew-hating congressman George Miller has anything to say.

231 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:44:56am

208


Well, if you want details, yes and no.

Not gobs of fresh blood, such that I was surprised yesterday I didn't have a bloody nose, like yesterday.


Just bits and flecks today.


I think I'm nearly 100% better.

232 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:45:16am

Ed #162

My best, picking and choosing between versions was 740 V, 720 M, but my best in a single SAT was 1440 (740V, 700 M).

I suspect all the beer I drank, around the world has knocked at least 100 points off of each.

So without the beer, you would have made at least 1640? Impressive.

233 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:46:11am

scaramouche-I just noticed that RWC tracked down your doll...how sweet is that?

234 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:46:53am

Renna,

Did you see the little Rummy treat I left for you?

235 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:47:31am

Charles, I sent this topic, and the link to the streaming video, to James Taranto. It's too late for today's BOTW (I just got it), but maybe it will appear in tomorrow's edition.

Today is one of those days when I don't have much hope for Western culture (and the West in general).

/heavy sigh

236 CheezNCrackers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:48:48am

These people have no sense of humor - like real humans do!

237 J.D.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:48:55am

How I long for the days when this sort of thing would have shocked me. This is the contribution of the Saudis to the world scene. Lovely group.

I used to go to Saudia-online just after 9/11 to stir things up with the truth on their message board, whereby I was labeled "culturally arrogant" by the 'Peaceful Saudis™'. When you turn that accusation around on them, they are quite insulted, and - it goes without saying at this point - frustrated and humiliated.

238 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:49:23am

OT

I am listening to Neal Boortz now (here the broadcast is delayed) and he's doing a hell of a job about iranian nukes.
He just invented a "future" reportage from NY hit by a nuclear bomb in Central Station.
Impressive.

He's pushing hard for an immediate intervention against the mullahs.

239 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:50:05am

227


While I'm being gross and talking about medical conditions, in 1989, about six months after I had gotten out of the Navy (I had had ingrown toe nails treated several times in sickbay) I went to a DO with a small clinic in a strip mall next to a Kroger's on Main Street in Euless for an ingrown toe-nail. He said the only solution was removing the entire nail and destroying the nail root. Involved hypodermic needle under the nail, and extreme pain comparable only to getting Se&ntildeor Feliz stuck in the zipper of my overalls once when I zipped up w/o checking the path was clear.

Very painful. No nail for about a month, than it suddenly grew in very rapidly. Was quite ugly for a while, very thick, flaky. Like that several years. Now it pretty much looks like a regular toe-nail again.

240 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:51:21am

#227 [Engineer]

And "they" call pink panties and standing for four hours torture.

But no doubt the Abu Ghraib detainees have similar aversions to being in the same room with Americans now, which would explain why some of those released asked to come to the USA. They're so traumatized they can't wait to live here.

241 Luigi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:51:25am

#234 WriterMom

Today is one of those days when I don't have much hope for Western culture (and the West in general).


Whar you are having one of those days, remember Saddam's comment about the American soldiers who captured him: "Would you fight these men?" He was really talking about us, you and I. We are stronger then them.

242 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:52:17am
"In his sophomore year at Harvard," the Post reported, "Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale." Moreover, Gore's graduate school record - consistently glossed over by the press - is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of "Inventing Al Gore," he received F's in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters.

I repeat: Gore is depressed. He has been depressed for decades. He is unaware that he is depressed.

243 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:52:56am

#239 Ed Moran

Thank you for sharing.

/barf

244 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:53:00am

#227

he would leave the room if a Japanese man walked in. Somethings you do not and should not forget.

Yup. My father's friend would also leave the room if anyone Japanese entered, male or female. My dad, who'd known the man before the war, said he was a healthy, strong, athletic fellow before his ordeal. After WWI, I remember him only as a thin, broken man, physically frail and with many health problems. He much younger than his contemporaries.

I am increasingly of the view Islam will have to be fought a l'outrance and that coexistence will not work. Like Cato the Censor:

Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit
245 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:53:06am

OT: If Bush is Hitler, what does that make Hitler?

246 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:54:09am

OT - weirdest search request ever?

correct method for hanging toilet paper

247 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:54:23am

#239 Ed: That post belongs back in the "Things More Disgusting than Markos Zuniga" thread.

248 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:56:13am
249 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:56:27am

232


Not at all. The 1400 SAT was mainly pre-beer. I do remember an awesome frat party I went to at Worcester Polytech in early December, 1981 after taking my AP exam that morning(Chem, Physics and Biology) and getting trapped by a poorly forecast snow storm in Worcester. ( I lived w/ my grandmother for a few years when the family moved to Texas in order to continue on with a Jesuit education. Hence my having been drunk in Massapequa and Boston despite having lived most of my adult life in Texas (except for the time spent in upstate NY, Illinois, Florida, California and throughout the West Pac and IO in the Navy, and my summer jobs in Mississippi, California and Louisiana)

No, I'm saying I doubt I could break 1200 today.

250 [Engineer]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:58:03am

OT

"What if the worst happened?"

That is the headline on a Washington Post story they start talking about nuclear weapons going off in Wahington, but the deaths are not the worst in their view, no the worst is about "survival of federal rule"

First of all, the phase "federal rule" sets my teeth on edge, second, if the local offices didn't have to check with HQ, the quality of federal service should improve.

251 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:59:48am

WriterMom,

I remember begging/hinting for one but I had to sign off for awhile, so I suppose I missed it.

252 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:00:40am

OT

On the way to work this morning, I saw a bumper sticker on an obviouly LLL vehicle (Toyota 4Runner):

AXIS OF ARROGANCE
BUSH CHENEY RUMSFELD


Which made me think of a bumper sticker I'd like to make:

I DON'T BRAKE FOR JIHADIS

or maybe;

I DON'T BRAKE FOR LLLs

253 john5z  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:01:36am

OK - I wonder if Daniszewski from the LA times saw this before he wrote "There is nothing particularly Islamic about decapitation. . ."

He is so stupid and wrong it should be classified as gross negligence - I'm 95% sure of that.

254 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:01:43am

#186 RWC

Their freaking depravity never ceases to amaze me.

Umm, thats a standard trick. Had a class instruction regarding booby-traps when I was in the Army and rigging a corpse was SOP in SE Asia theaters.

If you catch some of the footage from Israel, you notice that the IDF uses a robot to move a corpse around to trigger any possible explosives.

255 black_flag  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:01:50am

an interesting tidbit, if you mouse over the link on thier forum where the video is linked it turns up that the files itself is hosted on [Link: www.shareeah.org...] ... Abu Hamza anyone?

256 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:02:10am

248 Colt

10 kg device hidden in a kid's backpack.

More of the same.

257 piglet  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:03:17am

The slowist buffalo theory holds that beer makes one smarter:

The Buffalo Theory

A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, much like
the brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. The slowest
buffalo are the sick and weak so they die off first, making it possible for
the herd to move at a faster pace.
Like the buffalo the weak, slow brain cells are the ones that are killed
off by excessive beer drinking and socializing, making the brain operate faster.

The moral of the story, drink more beer, it will make you smarter.

258 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:03:40am

185 Atlas Wannabe

IF either of my children saw the Nick Berg video they would puke, cry, puke and then not sleep for a week. Notice how different that is than what you see in that video clip.

You might be surprised, kids have really neutral attitudes to what they see, especially when they're young. The line between fiction and reality is not so clear to them. They can't tell the difference between a real beheading and a beheading from "Attack of the Clones."


What DID your kids do when you showed then the Nick Berg video?

The screamed "ALLAH ACKBAR" and started ululating furiously. Just joking. I didn't show them.

259 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:04:12am

#49 V the K

We have Beck here in DC too. I normally stay away from news talk --even likeminded news talk-- mainly because it depresses me and I get enough news online through LGF and elsewhere. Instead, I listen to sports talk in the car: even in the dead part of the year (i.e., now) between the NFL draft and the NFL season, the talk shows are a good escape.

Unfortunately, the sports talk day has a "dead zone" too, between 3 and 5 when both sports station carry John Thompson (even if he weren't a racemonger, the show is still too homer anyway). That is how I found Beck, and I like him much more than Hannity; he can still be lighthearted. . . .

260 john5z  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:05:00am

Maybe they can train the kids to practice the "St. Pancake maneuver." And rehearse in real life.

261 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:05:22am

Luigi, that wasn't me it was Ward Cleaver :)

Renna-no worries, here it is again...

Rummy sez: You Da Sistah!

262 zulubaby  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:07:09am

Colt (#248)

Thank G-d.

263 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:08:03am

#245 scaramouche

nice editorial

264 zulubaby  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:08:07am

WriterMom, great pic of Rummy.

265 john5z  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:08:13am

Canuckistan - are you from vancouver, the home of the Bertussi maneuver?

266 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:10:11am

#265 john5z

Winnipeg, the home of... well, not very much.

267 john5z  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:12:03am

Aha - a Uke!

268 Luigi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:12:35am

261 WriterMom

Sorry, I'm on the run and just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in..

269 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:14:01am

#249 - Well, it was funnier when it sounded like you meant that you could have exceeded 1600 except for the beer.

I coudda schcored 1700, no wait, 1800 on thoush SATs if it haddna been for thu beer (hic).

And graduated sumo cum laude no doubt. Okay, now I don't even remember the troll I'm mocking...

270 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:14:11am

logger Phd --- Beck is followed by a sports program on one of the stations (I tend to flip around a lot), so you're in luck. It is better for me because it's a Frederick station, so the traffic reports are more relevant to my commute.

271 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:14:52am

#256 Perry

10 kg device hidden in a kid's backpack.

More of the same.

They are getting pretty predictable.

#262 zulubaby

Good news from Debka:

DEBKAfile adds: Terrorist groups kept short of funding by fighting over monetary control among Arafat’s lieutenants, Saudi stoppage to Hamas and Tehran’s redirection of cash for showdown in Iraq against June 30 transfer of sovereignty.

Well, the last bit isn't so good.

272 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:15:58am

266


That makes you and Judith practically neighbors. I'm sure she is thrilled.

273 Canuckistan  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:16:13am

267 john5z

A little bit!

274 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:17:53am

#261 WriterMom

Thanks. At another board, gals were debating who should play Darcy in the newest Pride and Prejudice remake and I'm thinking RUMMY!!!

275 piglet  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:18:08am

OT While the UN keeps an eye on Israel.

Polio on the rise in Africa
Sudan now also harbors disease

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Pray that a vacine resistant strain of the viris does not evolve.

276 kerry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:22:00am

Did you read the post ' On the terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia. ' at [Link: zaway.blogspot.com...]

Another story about jihadis. This one talks in gruesome detail about the muslim/terrorist (those two are the same) who killed two dozen infidels in Saudi.

277 BB  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:22:22am

#95 amir:

u r crazy man. or one of the demons. U must be dumb to say such a thing. or u must have been watching the video with glee and training your children to act it out. Fool. Islam is the problem. this whole islamo blame the zionists crap is getting old, and terribly in-accurate. believe what you like. but kow this- you are wrong.

278 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:22:41am

Hey Canuckistan, isn't Neil Young from Winnipeg? He should break a guitar over your fucking head.

279 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:23:01am

275 piglet

A resistant strain could develop, but that's less likely than the prospect of the bad guys concocting bio weapons, IMHO. The people getting it were never immunized, thanks to the RoP.

280 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:23:40am
They are getting pretty predictable...

...and desperate. These are definitely lean times for Palestinian terrorists, be they Marxist or Islamists.

281 lazytart  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:23:52am

Ed Moran, LOL! Sorry for the rawther personal question. It's just that after you mentioned it the other day, and not needing to do anything but sleep and vitamins, I mentally scolded you.

Held my tongue, though. Planned to scold you if you hadn't been better by now, though. (As if your wife isn't enough, I'm sure- now you're being scolded by a complete stranger on the internet. Oh well.)

282 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:24:27am

zulubaby and Renna-I aim to please :)

Piglet-the the vaccine is a Zionist plot to destroy Muslim fertility. You silly!!!

283 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:25:43am

V the K, you're in Maryland?!

284 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:28:22am

(#222) Geepers

If that doesn't get the arabists all seething nothing will.

Indeed. Another thing that's got them in seethe mode are the pronouncements that the Intifada may be coming to an end.

For example, Charles Krauthammer's column (that Charles linked to in a thread titled The Intifdada Is Over), self-satisfied Israel-hater "billmon" linked to it, and titled his thread "A Dark Victory."

And the comments - typical for his site - included such contradictory sentiments that Israel, as the regional superpower and backed by the world's sole superpower, has a free hand to do whatever it wants, up against weak, oppressed, Arabs - and then there were those who were crowing about how the "death of Zionism" is around the corner.

Creepy people. I can't imagine thinking that either the defensive efforts to stop suicide bombings targetting innocent civilians is "a dark victory," or that the fact that land wasn't "liberated" by suicide bombings targetting innocent civilians is also, somehow "dark."

Again, they are truly creepy.

(#230) D-Fense

but I'd appreciate a heads up if my local Jew-hating congressman George Miller has anything to say.

The debate is over - I didn't see the beginning, so don't know if he had already spoken, but he didn't speak near the end.

285 SwampWoman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:28:56am

Hmmm. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this completely, but seems to me that this is functioning also as a valuable object lesson for Muslim children as to exactly what will happen to them if they decide they would rather not be Muslims any more or, for girl children, if they have the bad biology to become pregnant after having nonconsensual sex with their uncles, or daddy, or brothers, or the next door neighbor, or if their husband gets pissed off at them. I imagine the boys might get the same, er, treatment if they complained about what was being done to them. And if any of them start getting too attached to the idea of self-determination and making their own decisions, well, this is where that will surely lead. Looks like the surest way to be safe is to latch on tight to the craziest mofo out there to follow.

Yep, I think maybe this is an object lesson aimed squarely at Muslims as well as us infidels.

286 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:29:06am

Neil Young's Canadian??? But he's good!

I mean look at the rest of the shit they've given us! Avril Lavigne, Alanis Morrisette, Celine Dion, Sum 41, Bryan Adams, Moist, Our Lady Peace, Barenaked Ladies, Crash Test Dummies...the list goes on!

287 piglet  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:30:43am
but that's less likely than the prospect of the bad guys concocting bio weapons, IMHO

Nations filled with people who have had bad healthcare,
poor sanitation
and unless they went on the Haj, have never encountered anyone outside their group who might have exposed them so immunity was developed?
I think even if they did create a bioweapon, it would likely end up killing more of them.

I saw a duck swimming in the polluted canals of Amsterdam and said to my friend,
If you could sample that ducks blood you could develop a cure to every disease known to man.

288 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:31:33am

Dave Ray: Canada has also given us:

scaramouche
cam
cba
and myself

+David Frum and Mike Myers so give us a break!!!

289 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:33:57am

writermom:

smacked wrist accepted. Sorry, but you have to admit those bands and singers have a lot to answer for! :-)

290 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:35:08am

#286 Dave Ray


Neil Young's Canadian??? But he's good!

I mean look at the rest of the shit they've given us! Avril Lavigne, Alanis Morrisette, Celine Dion, Sum 41, Bryan Adams, Moist, Our Lady Peace, Barenaked Ladies, Crash Test Dummies...the list goes on!

I like Neil Young's music enough, but he is an LLL truly cubed.

At least Canada has given us two fine slabs of Canadian bacon, Shania Twain and Diana Krall --who generally keep their cakeholes shut politically (the closest to a statement was Krall playing a Lilith Fair, AKA Armpit Hair Fest).

Ugh, then there's Bryan Adams. . . .

291 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:37:06am

#288 WriterMom

And my personal favorites, Great Big Sea! Maybe they cancel out Celine Dion.

#277 BB

Easy there. It's a joke, referencing Saudi Crown Prince Somethingorother blaming 95% of terrorist acts there on Zionists.

292 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:37:19am

logger phd:

with you on that, I know he's LLL but I do love his music.

Can't believe I forgot Shania Twain on my list! D'oh

293 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:37:50am

Oh Man, Canuckistan is in Winnipeg?!?!

At least my moving there will reduce the Troll Quotient&trade.

294 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:39:28am

better take some troll repellent!

295 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:39:47am

#292 Dave Ray

C'mon, just hit mute and look at Shania when her videos are on!

296 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:43:14am

287 piglet


I think even if they did create a bioweapon, it would likely end up killing more of them.

Yup, could be. But if Kay could find stuff in Iraq, is it too much to assume the other terrorist states have it too?

Ignorant question. What's the state of their delivery mechanisms?

297 angeles  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:43:42am

91 Colt

I think you're missing the point made by Andy of Agoura Hills.

The Israelis (Jews) are onto Arab behavior because they have been contending with it on and off for about 3500 years (check out the protoype, Ishmael, in the Bible). The recent track record of the Israelis (since, say 1948) has been what it has been for a number of reasons, some good, some not so good.

The current point (since the Intifada in Israel and the fallout from 9/11) is that Israelis and other Jews have been pointing out this loathesome behavior on the part of the "Palestinians" re: educating their children right up front. Pictures of toddlers armed, khafiyyaed, etc., mock blood on their hands in imitation of the manglers of Ramallah (disemboweling, eyes gouged out, thrown out window--two reservists) have been on the Internet. So, the "education" against the Jews is now the "education" aganst the Americans. First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people. Need I go on with slogans?

If you and other people have to learn it again, then learn it again. The Arabs currently only respond to stronger power, the way an enraged animal does, and sometimes not even to that. That I believe is the only way for people to deal with them: use power and quickly. If this is indeed not done quickly, they will certainly attempt their behavior in the US, headcutting and all.

298 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:47:24am

#291 Jefe

Thanks for defending me, but BB is right. I am dumb. I heard what Prince Faisal said and believed him, so I repeated what he said.

And ... I like Alanis Morrisette.

299 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:48:06am

Don't ever forget, Lorne Greene, star of the big and small screen, famous for his roles in "Earthquake!" and "Battlestar Galactica" was Canadian.


As is Leslie Nielsen, although apparently Canadian parents have a bad habit of naming boys "Leslie".

300 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:50:17am

191 -
Liked this bit
more than half the population of Iraq is under 14, and these children are bearing the brunt of the occupation,
well, DUH! "the brunt" of ANYTHING is "born" by those w/in a range of the median age group...
The downside is that this is a situation similar to post WWII France, where there was a HUGE disparity in the male/female ratio. This led to a situation in which all a man had to do was be breathing and he could get laid. Ergo, the the French men aquired a rep for being rude and arrogant, the french women were thought of as 'easy.'
Possibly both true and justified. Unfortunately, even after 60 years, the balance LONG since restored, the french are still arrogant, and the french women are still regarded as 'easy'...
My point is this - what are we going to do w/ (even more) ARROGANT Iraqui men and Desperate Iraqui women?

301 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:50:29am

logger phd:

Neil Young has taken American citizenship. He also votes Republican.

302 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:50:59am

amir:

"And ... I like Alanis Morrisette"

don't worry, we're here for you...

303 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:52:19am

#299 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

LOL. I have worked with an grizzled old prospector who went by Buzz - his Christian name was Leslie, but nobody ever gave him a hard time about it.

;-)

304 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:52:53am

[sigh]

I admit-there is no force powerful enough to counter Celine Dion ;)

305 Rednek  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:54:27am

OT

Another reason to dump the UN

U.S. Drops U.N. Bid for War Crime Shield


Several council members refusing the compromise cited the abuse of Iraqi detainees by U.S. soldiers and Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites)'s opposition to renewing the exemption for a third year.
306 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:55:15am
307 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:55:35am

I spoke to Neil Young on the phone once. I was at a party at some guys house in Santa Cruz, CA who was a drummer who played once in a while with Neil Young. The phone rang and I was close to it so I picked it up. The guy on the other end said, something like "can I speak to Dave" (I don't remember the guyd name). I said sure and handed him the phone. it was Neil Young.

308 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:56:05am

248 Colt

The man delivering the bomb, identified as Mohammed Abed Rabeh, 23, told interrogators he was being paid NIS 500 for the job.

How much is that in USD?

309 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:56:14am

For that first really angry Alanis Morrisette song that was big on the radio ("You Ought to Know"?) I just figured her voice was like that because its an angry song, so I thought it was pretty cool.

But, then I realized, listening to songs like "ironic" and "Hands in Pocket(?)" that her songs are stupid, and her voice is always chalk on blackboard.

Compare and contrast to Jewel. Her voice is very nice, although if you listen to her lyrics she realize her IQ isn't way out there.

But she is cute, in an Alaskan yodeling girl next door kinda way.


Moral of the Story: None.

310 dennisw-matamoros  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:57:20am

This is too much indulgence for the Mohammedans and too much psycho play acting by them and their children. The Bigel hour draws closer. Not for Europe but for Mecca/Medina. The Mohammedans are crawling from bar to bar, cruising for a bruising and they're going to get one. The head of Islam is Mecca and it will be chopped off via a few well targeted ...

Some call it nuclear Ritalin.

311 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:57:44am
#283 logger phd 6/23/2004 11:25AM PST
V the K, you're in Maryland?!

Live in Frederick, work in Gaithersburg.

312 Andrew  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:57:51am

Canadian Bacon has kids?

What moral guidance will he provide?

Will they absorb his lack of convictions?

Will the world they inherit be an Islamic one due to Western decay in the face of this danger as demonstrated by their father?

313 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:58:54am

305 rednek

Eh. The BBC story has this as the last paragraph:

Even though US troops abroad may now be subject to prosecution at the court in The Hague, Washington has already signed bilateral agreements with 89 countries to ensure they do not bring cases against its personnel.

Could it be that the State Dept has gone and done something useful?

314 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 9:59:17am

Shania Twain is just ok in my book.

I actually think, oh whats her name, Canadian woman country singer, big, healthy woman, with a DWI conviction.


I'm thinking. Now I like her. DWI conviction has nothing to do with it.

315 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:00:33am

#301 cam

Neil Young has taken American citizenship. He also votes Republican.

Cool. I feel better now (especially that he's a Republican). I've liked his work for a long time, going all the way back to Buffalo Springfield (think Expecting to Fly).

OOT, some people think he ruined Lionel trains. I don't have an opinion on that, since I'm not a model train guy.

316 Mcgyver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:01:18am
Nits grow up to be lice

- John Brown, American Abolitionist

and

Nits make lice

- Col. John M. Chivington, Colorado Volunteers

I never before understood these men, and their zeal. I do now.

Mcgyver, out

317 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:01:34am

godfrey (#308),

How much is that in USD?

According to the The Universal Currency Converter ®

$111.09

318 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:01:45am

#307 Amir

I once saw Neil Young sitting at the counter of a Sambos coffee shop in Thousand Oaks California.

I guess ex-Canadian rock stars do normal things like make phone calls and eat pancakes.

319 lazytart  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:01:51am

Entirely OT: Just watching juror #5 from the Scott Peterson trial; he has been dismissed.

He is an absolute, complete, head-spinning LOON

320 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:01:53am
I actually think, oh whats her name, Canadian woman country singer, big, healthy woman, with a DWI conviction.


Terri Clark?

321 dennisw-matamoros  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:02:25am

amir
___

Great story. Neil Young is near the top. He endures, same as Van the Man and nothing can change that. Not ever!

322 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:03:05am

#309 Ed


Alanis Marmoset?

323 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:03:29am

#314 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

Terri Clark. Alberta girl.

324 EddieP  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:04:29am

COMING TO A DAY CARE CENTER NEAR YOU!

Let the kiddies see how Islam, the Religion of Peace, encourages non-believers to become followers of muhammed.

Moms, we'll show your kids some entertaining and enlightening movies about infidels such as Danny Pearle, Nick Berg, Paul Johnson and our latest victim convert from Korea while you run to the bookstore to get your copy of "My Life".

We'll also be demonstrating the latest in suicide bomb belts as well. Get your child fitted this weekend, while supplies last!

325 Bensmom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:04:48am

Wow... been gone all day and go online to find this.

Have mercy.

Those poor kids. They looked SO DAMN HAPPY to be playing jihad beheading.

Colt, thanks for the report re thwarting of attack in Jerusalem. Needed a little good news.

326 dennisw-matamoros  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:06:47am

Abu Ed Moran: not a rocket scientist though maybe a meteorologist.
___

Oh oo oh you think you're special
Oh oo oh you think you're something else
Okay so you're a rocket scientist
That don't impress me much
So you got the brain but have you got the touch
Don't get me wrong, yeah I think you're alright
But that won't keep me warm in the middle of the night
That don't impress me much
I never knew a guy who carried a mirror in his pocket
And a comb up his sleeve--just in case
And all that extra hold gel in your hair oughtta lock it
'Cause Heaven forbid it should fall outta place

327 Knight who says Ni  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:07:02am

I didn't read the entire thread, but what I got from what I did read is basically this:

"Cowboys & Indians" = simulated decapitation = Attack of the Clones.

Got it


Ni!

328 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:07:02am

#288 WriterMom

Don't forget Gordon Lightfoot and Anne Murray!


What?

329 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:07:45am

OK

If we're famous people stories. I was sitting with a couple of friends in a restaurant in Jerusalem eating whatever when my friend sitting across from said that the guy sitting at the table next to us looks just like Bibi Netanyahu. I looked non chalantly, it was Bibi Netanyahu.

The Sambos story must be old, since they changed their name long ago.

330 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:08:40am

#326 dennisw-matamoros:

LOL. I always scratched my head over that tune. I mean, c'mon, being a rocket scientist is pretty frikkin' impressive.

;-)

331 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:08:48am

Terri Clark is gorgeous, and hers are real. I'm 95% sure of it.

332 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:08:51am
333 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:09:29am

I met Billy Duffy and Ian Astbury of The Cult once...well, I was excited. If no-one else was.

334 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:09:47am

#316

Also, the rise of Islamism makes me fully appreciate the Crusades and the idea of the Carthegenian Peace.

Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam

and appreciate

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit
335 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:09:48am
I guess ex-Canadian rock stars do normal things like make phone calls and eat pancakes.

Since you mention it, the Dave Chappelle sketch about eating pancakes with Prince is... hands down... the funniest thing I have seen so far in the 21st century.

336 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:09:57am

Ed Moran

I always thought Liz Phair did the angry chick thing much better than Alanis. And the fact that most things she sings about in "Ironic" aren't actually ironic always bugged me, too.

337 SwampWoman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:10:01am

#297 Angeles

If you and other people have to learn it again, then learn it again. The Arabs currently only respond to stronger power, the way an enraged animal does, and sometimes not even to that. That I believe is the only way for people to deal with them: use power and quickly. If this is indeed not done quickly, they will certainly attempt their behavior in the US, headcutting and all.

Well, some of my ancestors wiped out whole villages of technologically advanced invaders, stealing and enslaving the women and adopting or enslaving the children. That didn't work out real well for that side of the family because they burned our villages and farms and food supplies and killed the peaceful with the warlike, combatants and noncombatants, men, women, and children. Then they captured and hung our leaders, and sent the few starving survivors off to live on the most worthless bits of ground the country had.

I don't think they really ought to come play total warfare with Americans, cause Americans are purty good at that shit. But, if they insist, I am willing to respond in kind.

338 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:10:08am

#328 papiyossi

Gordon Lightfoot is awesome. I've seen him a number of times and he's a wonderful performer. He's WriterMom's mom's fave.

339 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:10:30am

This guy is my new hero.

340 Smitty  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:10:40am

#288 WriterMom

...Rush, the Tragically Hip, Leonard Cohen...

341 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:10:58am

OK, WAYYY OT but...
Did anyone else here this?
Paul Harvey, Noon broadcast, 6/18

Not quite half way through (starting at 6:15 of the 15 min bit) he talks about a medium range, large area electric "Lightning Gun" that could be used for "Crowd Control"...
WTF?!?!
When the hell did we get something cool like THAT?!?!

REAL player version here

342 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:11:03am

Terri Clark

No, never convicted of DUI

"That was a night I was out with my record label president and we just had a couple of glasses of wine and got pulled over," says Clark, "the wanted me to take a breathalyser test and I wouldn't take it. In Tennessee if you don't take it they automatically put you under arrest. It got dropped to reckless driving after that. I never did get a DUI.
343 amir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:12:48am

Once the lead singer of the eightees band Devo (cant remember his name, probably never knew) sat behind me in a movie theater. We were watching A Clockwork Orange.

344 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:13:45am

#340 Smitty

In grade 7 I memorized all the lyrics of a Rush album to curry favour with the cutest boy in the class. To this day-I can still sing 'em all.

345 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:13:52am

V the K:

Chapelle is by far the funniest guy on TV. Did you catch the one where the slavery reparations payments were distributed? Laughed my ass off.

346 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:14:04am

Thanks, Geepers.

But how'd you do that? I looked at the little pull-down and didn't see "NIS" -- what *is* that? I was going to guess New Israeli Shekels, but shekels are listed in xe.com's pull-down as ILS (Israel New Shekels).

347 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:14:35am

#329 Amir

Yes...the story is old, 1982 or '83.

BTW- There is still one Sambos, the first, in San Jose.

348 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:15:14am

Smitty:

The Hip rocks. In my high school days I actually smoked a joint with Gord Downey (lead singer) backstage at a concert in Ontario.

349 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:16:23am

#345 Cam --- Dave Chappelle is also, no kidding, up for the lead in the movie version of "Superfreak: The Rick James Story" ... which is more hella-ironic than anything Alanis ever came up with.

350 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:16:29am

I wanna play celebrity close encounters, too.

Exene shot up in my bathroom once. She left a razor blade stuck in the wall. yuck. She asked me where she could buy some "mexican brown" and I said "I have no idea what that even is, ask somebody else." I found out later it was heroin.

351 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:16:33am

I held the door once for John McCain, and he said "thank you". Oh, and I saw Jessica Simpson in the Atlanta airport at the candy shop/newstand place. She was trying to look non-descript by wearing a hat pulled down low, but the hat was a blinding bright yellow, which had the opposite effect. She's much smaller in person (in more ways than one).

352 Smitty  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:17:33am

#344 WriterMom

That 'a girl!

353 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:19:31am

#343 amir

Mark Mothersbaugh? He's known now for composing the Rugrats theme, among others.

354 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:20:54am

writermom:

Well, did it work? Did you also manage to do Getty Lee's high-pitched scream/voice?

;-)

355 Luigi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:21:02am

Gaza rules in effect in Fallujah.

356 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:21:16am

Sitting at a Tampa Yankees game, people kept coming up to some white-haired guy in the bleachers in front of me. Finally, I had to look. George Steinbrenner.

I've also given a ride to Peter Noon of Herman's Hermits, played gofer for 3 Dog Night and The Grassroots, had dinner with Michael Waltrip, got autographs from TooTall Jones, Scott O'Grady, Harry Gant, and Jimmy Carter.

But most impressive, I saw Instapundit At The Mall!

357 Powderfinger  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:21:42am

#350 D-Fens

No shit? That's legendary.

#345 Cam

How about the race draft?

"And the Asians pick...Wu-Tang Clan!"

358 Darleen  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:23:14am

Speaking of Michael Zepplin Moore, how come THIS isn't getting a tad more attention?

The company distributing filmmaker Michael Moore's Bush-bashing movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" says it won't reject an offer of help from Middle East terrorist organization Hezbollah.
The movie industry publication Screen Daily reported, "In terms of marketing the film, [distributor] Front Row is getting a boost from organizations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there's anything they can do to support the film."
The story then quotes Front Row Managing Director Gianluca Chacra: "We can't go against these organizations as they could strongly boycott the film in Lebanon and Syria."

MM is launching this "film" as a political ad for Kerry. When will we hear from Kerry distancing himself from such a creature of MM that gets full support of Islamo-fascists?

359 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:26:55am

358


You don't visit Little Green Footballs, much, do you.?.?

Thats ok, I'm sure Charles will still give you a hat tip.

360 jrdroll  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:28:09am

#356

But most impressive, I saw Instapundit At The Mall!


Ouch.

361 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:28:18am

D-Fens (#350),

That's totally excellent. Shoot that link to Charles, that deserve front page treatment.

362 drunkenwookiee  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:28:36am

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet (I don't plan on browsing through ~350 posts to find out), but I found this humorous:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ci d=564&ncid=564&e=9&u=/nm/20040623/ts_n m/security_usa_prisoners_dc_5

Oh no! We're using dogs to perform hideous acts of torture upon Iraqi prisoners now! Let's view a picture of this horrendous crime upon humanity:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u= /040611/photos_wl_me_afp/040611143023_ospjg098_pho to0

Oh. Nevermind.

The dog is just standing there, for Christ's sake.

363 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:28:57am

357 Powderfinger

No shit? That's legendary.

It was indeed a legendary night. I got evicted.

364 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:29:31am

D-Fens:

Who's Exene?

365 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:29:54am

Sam Donaldson walked past me very quickly on a sidewalk in D.C. and avoided eye contact.

366 Darleen  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:31:29am

Ed

No need to get snarky... I'm here often, though I yesterday I was busy with family stuff and wasn't on the 'net.

Excuse me for not scrolling through the last couple of days post before making my own contribution.

Sheesh.

367 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:31:50am

OK, I'll tie this all together.

My first job was washing dishes at Sambo's, circa 1978.

Allanis Morrisset is God, at least in Dogma. She should be out kicking some muslim ass.

My cousin's went to High School with Devo.

I saw Neil Young in solo concert.

Top that.

368 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:32:14am

#365 godfrey

Ted Koppel walked past me on a DC sidewalk, but he said "good morning" or something.

Exene - Exene Cervenka (?) of punk band X.

369 jrdroll  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:32:35am

I saw the Queen of England once on tv.

370 smooth rat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:32:38am

#87 Andy in Agoura Hills

See what happens when victory is NOT TOTAL and UNCONDITIONAL??? They claim a victory.

If one terrorist is left alive, they call it a "victory."

If we kill them all, then they call it a "massacre."

371 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:33:44am

godfrey (#346),

This is what I used.

NIS is Israeli New Shekels. I would have to assume the variances are due to international monetary notation differences.

372 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:34:02am

Terri Clark is quite the hottie too, but can't deal twith the tattoo. . . .

373 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:34:51am

I wanna play celebrity close encounters, too.

I was walking in the pit area at the Milwaukee Mile some years ago. I did an abroupt about face to say something to my friends behind me and immediately bumped into someone, and just about knocked him over. I blurted out excuse me and heard the standard reply. I glanced down and realized this little guy was Jason Priestley.

The next night, my friend stole a potted plant from Billy Corrgan's front porch in Chicago.

I've had Shannon Dougherty give me some of her pizza in New York...

Oh well, just had to add that.

374 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:35:09am
I saw Neil Young in solo concert.

Top that.

Two words:

Leo

Sayer.


Ha!, eat my dust.

375 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:35:34am

Never met a kareoke machine I didn't like...even sober.

376 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:37:36am

I saw Bryan Adams in downtown Toronto. He is a very pocky faced shrimp!

And I saw Bibi Netanyahu at a hotel, and he wouldn't give me an autograph. He's a fine looking dude...

377 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:37:41am
I saw the Queen of England once on tv.

Did she do that funny wave?

378 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:38:35am

Exene

Lead singer of early and long-lived punk band called X. Also a poet and idiotarian. Was married to idiotarian Viggo Mortenson and John Doe (not at the same time).

She was the oracle of wisdom and truth to many. I just thought the band kicked ass.

379 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:39:52am

#353 jefe

I was working in a deli on Sunset blvd. In one day I served Mark Mothersbaugh (from Devo), Johnny Ramone (he's a Republican), Iggy Pop (he's tiny) and Dwight Yokam (he's bald).


What any of this has to do with death cult kiddie games I do not know.

380 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:41:25am

I had a summer job ('93) at the Staples on Wisconsin Avenue in Bethesda.

Checked out purchases at the register for Jim Lehrer and Alan S. Blinder. Blinder was a Clinton econ advisor, but I knew him as the author of a macro textbook I used. I even told him that, though he probably was sick of hearing that by then. . . .

Sorry, my stories are limited to Washington wonks, unless you are into indie rock. . . .

381 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:42:26am

I've seen Elvis' stomach contents ( from the night he died.)

Good ol' Dr. Nick

382 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:43:54am

I've never had a celebrity close encounter.

I had a girlfriend in college, however, who had her breasts autographed by Ratt, spent three days on the road with Metallica (and helped Lars Ulrich pick out a donut at Dunkin' Donuts), turned down sex with CC Deville of Poison, and, as a radio station intern, hung out for three hours with Julian Lennon.

Also, while flying to Texas for Spring Break, the pilot of Northwest Airlines flight invited her to the cockpit and let her sit on his lap.

And a guy I knew in college got jiggy with it with his boyfriend while wearing Steve Yzerman's jersey. (His dad had some connection to the Red Wings.)

383 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:44:03am

Renna, damn you.

384 rebmiami  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:44:40am

*turns notch way down on the serious-meter*

286 Dave Ray

Crash Test Dummies -- if there was ever a better band name wasted on a worse band, please let me know.

385 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:45:39am
Also, while flying to Texas for Spring Break, the pilot of Northwest Airlines flight invited her to the cockpit and let her sit on his lap.

Um, probably should have indicated... the aircraft was over Tennessee with about 140 passengers on-board at the time. Ah, the good old days.

Damn you, al-Qaeda, damn you all to hell.

386 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:46:11am

#384 rebmiami

Crash Test Dummies -- if there was ever a better band name wasted on a worse band, please let me know.

I might add that Canuckistan is a pretty damn cool handle wasted on a troll.

387 Darleen  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:46:25am

More Democrat Senile Dementia

In the war against terrorism, we’ve given the terrorists a cause and created more terrorism. Even though Saddam is gone, the majority of the Iraqi people want us gone. We have proven ourselves “infidels.”

via James Taranto

388 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:47:05am

writermom:

Brian Adams, is, to borrow a term from the prez, and major-league asshole. Years ago in Whistler I had a friend whose wife was his agent. Adams was coming into town and needed a skiing guide so another friend and I took him out. He was an arrogant prick. I lasted 15 minutes with his endless pissing and moaning and called it a day. My buddy managed to last an hour and then offered to kick his ass on the gondola.

389 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:47:08am

My brushed with the famous: I met Liza Minelli during one of her infrequent clean and sober phases. She was sipping Perrier in the bar of the Sutton Place Hotel and I invited her to come sing at my brother's wedding, which was soon to take place on the top floor of the hotel. She was very nice, but declined my request.

In 1985, I ate dinner in a restaurant in New York City called De Marco's. Seated at the table next to me were Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward and their daughter. It was my first night ever in NYC, and I was suitably impressed.

390 mad_scientist  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:48:02am

#339 D-Fens


Wow that was a pretty good link. I would reprimand that teacher for tearing down a students sign simply because she disagrees with the point it is making. Typical LLL action...silence opposition, not debate ideas with them.

391 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:48:47am

Now that the thread has officially jumped the shark, I've seen Lou Diamond Phillips jump on the stage at 2:30 AM in Deep Ellum in Dallas and start singing. And it wasn't La Bamba, to everyone's disappointment.

392 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:49:00am

384

true, very true

my vote has to go to Manic Street Preachers. Welsh po-faced idiotarian rockers but a great name none the less

393 coastygirl  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:49:09am

Celebrity name dropping; I set a table for Oprah (she is STUNNING in person), brought a cappuccino to Eric Clapton (I was young, had little idea who he was), and didn't see them, but got on shift just in time to clear the disastrous MESS left by Kurt Cobain and Courtney (BLECCH!) Love. They did leave some posters, though, my little brother got the famous baby swimming/dollar one, and I kept a cool Smiths one. No one else wanted them. My long ago life as a busboy(girl)

I want a beatnik Kooky doll! There is a cool Lenore doll, but she's not as cute as she is in the comic book.

Also, when I was a kid, my friends and I would re-enact scenes from Xanadu. Or anything on roller skates.

394 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:50:08am

#385 V the K

Damn you, al-Qaeda, damn you all to hell.

No joke: Every time I am in the security line at the airport, the phrase "19 a**holes" always pops in my mind.

Considering we now have to be discalced in the line, I should curse those 20 a**holes including Richard Reid.

395 Mcgyver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:50:26am

I never had the opportunity to rub elbows with any famous Rock Stars, etc. Well, I saw Alice Cooper at German Bike week a coupla years back. He looked just like he did when I was in High School and our (very unofficial) graduation theme song was "Schools Out", but that's another story.

Anyway, I did get to spend some time with a real hero once. I was in CAP in High School. At the Wing Convention, in Idaho Falls, the guest speaker was a very quiet, soft spoken man, who recounted his time in Vietnam. He found out I had to take the bus back to Boise, and offered to give me a ride home as it was on his way (he lived in Kuna). I sat next to him all the way home and just listened. He talked about life and family and honor and I don't know what else. He drove a VW bug. Hows that for unassuming?

Can you imagine what this meant (and means) to me, as a kid who wanted more than anything to be an Air Force pilot? Years later, I was privileged to be a member of the 1 SOW, which grew from the 1st Air Commandos. (My Uncle had also served previously with the 1st Air Commando Wing, in Panama)

NY Nana - This is a HERO

Mcgyver, out

396 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:51:38am

Not to let freshmen psych raise its ugly head, but did anyone else notice that this silliness may be just what we needed in the face of Death Cult Kiddie Movies?

397 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:52:53am

#396 Renna

Exactly.
Which is why I love those who make us laugh on such nasty threads.

398 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:53:25am

Xanadu-Oh-my-God!!!

Now that you're here, now that we're near
In Xanaduuu-uuu

I told you not to get me near a kareoke machine...

I loved ONJ!!1

399 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:53:59am

V the K

Damn you. Now I have to spend the rest of the day thinking about your ex-girlfriend's breasts.

Autographed by members of Ratt?

We're not worthy!
We're not worthy!

If I had milk, it would have come through my nostrils by now. Beautiful.

400 Darleen  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:54:31am

Hey, I live in So. Cal... when I go to a restaurant in Elay, I always get waited on by actors.

401 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:55:13am

I went out with one of the original girls from ZOOM

I took Alice Walker's writing workshop in college. Lauren Slater was in that class too.

I delivered furniture to Tommy Heinsohn and live down the street from Bob Cousey

Those are the only brushes with celebrity that come to mind.

402 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:56:19am

#391 RIP Ford

Now that the thread has officially jumped the shark

No.

By the way, didn't Hitler indoctrinate the Hitler Youth with similarly gruesome films? Didn't the Nazis similarly dehumanize Jews and other undesirables even before their little children?

There, now it has jumped the shark.

403 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:56:21am

396 Renna

Yeah. There've been a lot of threads like that lately... Good medicine.

404 zulubaby  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:56:27am

Darleen, LOL!

405 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:56:28am

downhearted that no-one was impressed that i met The Cult...I'm off to the pub...sob, sob

406 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:57:00am

383


How well did you know this "guy" who made out while wearing an NHL players jersey?

( Autobiographical?)

407 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:57:57am

A health club I work out at in downtown Houston is right across from the Four Seasons hotel where the Lakers stay when they're in Houston. On one occasion last year, I think it was an early Thursday morning, the entire team was working out there. It was wild! There was no one else there, just me and the Lakers and their trainers. I met Shaq and Phil Jackson. Shaq and Phil Jackson were nice enough, saw Kobe but didn't get a chance to talk to him. Didn't see Gary Payton or Karl Malone, but I heard they were there.

408 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:58:18am

#405 Dave Ray

Hey, I was impressed! Haven't listened to them in awhile, but I used to be a pretty big fan.

409 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:58:21am

I once bumped into (literally) Phil Donahugh at O'Hair, I have a pic of Gene Roddenbery at a party from the college days (mine, not his) and some of the first naked boobs I saw post-puberty belonged to Wendy Carlos, about two years before she did the music for Tron

410 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:58:42am

Sightings and musings on the JTS thread:

Went to HS with Emanuel Lewis (nearly killed him when I nearly walked right over him)
Saw Jerry Seinfeld and Will Smith outside office building
Met ELP at a backstage party
Saw Lena Olin (mom on Alias - damn I wish they got her to come back for another round of ass-whooping)

Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

And, when I worked for the NYS legislature, I used to run into a bunch of high profile pols. Also, sat thru a Bill Cosby commencement address - not nearly as controversial as the one given this year.

411 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:59:02am

#405 Dave Ray

I would have been more impressed 10 years ago. However, I admit that I was disappointed the Cult did not open for U2 when I saw them in 10th grade. We got the BoDeans instead.

412 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:59:44am

#387 Darleen

No senile dementia required: Fritz Hollings is an old racist buffoon and he's always been that way. He would have us believe Lincoln was a tyrant and the Union Army were terrorists.

413 dennisw-matamoros  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:59:51am

My cousin was tour manager for the Allman Brothers in 1988. Dickie Betts pulled a knife on him. My cuz left shortly thereafter.

414 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:01:17am

ps sorry to anyone who was enjoying the political debate section of this thread...I think I was to blame for steering it off thread by saying that Canadian bands have a lot to answer for! :-)

415 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:01:26am

I used to work for Aspen Skier Services my second job (everybody who's not a star has a second job in Aspen) was at Carl's Pharmacy so I got to take money from lots of stars.

It's fun seeing John Denver come back in just after shopping to buy tampons or see Leon Uris paying for his own books.

One night just as we were closing Robert Wagner and Stephenie Powers came in, Robert looked like he could start filming any minute, Stephanie on the other hand (who was buying $100 worth of toiletries) looked like hell.

And speaking of looking like hell, When I was in Spain for the "Guitar Legends" concert series Ecic Clapton was staying on our floor, sheez he looked like a wino on a three day bing.

416 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:02:13am
How well did you know this "guy" who made out while wearing an NHL players jersey?

Not in the Biblical sense, if that's what you mean. Friend of a friend, I guess, is the most accurate way to put it.

But at the time, Yzerman was only just below Reagan and Jesus in terms of my personal esteem.

Hm, upon reflection, Yzerman is still only a little below Jesus and Reagan in terms of my personal esteem.

417 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:02:46am

Ok, celebrities: I spent the summer of 1967 in San Francisco, and had friends active with the Diggers. As a result, I went to many private parties with, among others, the members of the Jefferson Airplane, the Grateful Dead, and Country Joe & the Fish, met and talked with most of them at length, including Gracie Slick and Janis Joplin. Vast quantities of recreational pharmaceuticals were had by all and sundry. It was a real trip.

418 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:03:12am

My Aunt used to knock-boots with Jeff Goldblum :-P

419 stumbley  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:03:28am

Celebrity close encounters:

Urinated next to Herb Alpert in the Village Theater (Westwoood) bathroom

Got patted on the stomach by Steve McQueen (for letting him into the same theater free after the last show had started)

Served coffee to Marshal Dillon (James Arness), Samantha Eggar, Lucille Ball, Burt Lancaster, James Garner

Shook hands with Groucho Marx and Fred Astaire, took money from Walter Matthau (who *paid* to see his own movie at the selfsame Village Theater!) and was personally thanked by Charlton Heston for letting him and his son into the theater ahead of the line.

Was among the first 3 people to see "The Godfather" anywhere outside of the studio (producer, me, the projectionist)

My grandfather worked for Walt Disney briefly


...and no, none of this makes me at all special, just *lucky*.

420 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:04:29am

#418 RWC

You should have spared us that. . . .

421 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:04:42am

But, if it makes any difference, in my closet at home is a jersey from the 1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey Team.

422 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:05:24am

#411 logger phd

BoDeans are cool, too! I saw them awhile back at Wolf Trap with The Connells. My roommate was supposed to buy tickets, but he forgot until about 2 days before the show. He called up to order, and they told him they only had lawn seats left. He asked if they could check again, and they found two seats in the pit section. We didn't realize it until we got to our seats, but they were first row, dead center.

423 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:17am
My Aunt used to knock-boots with Jeff Goldblum :-P

Your aunt is Laura Dern? Rrrrooowwrrr.

424 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:21am

#416 V the K:

Gotcha beat. I met Stevie Y at the driving range in Whistler when Team Canada was in town for training. Chatted with him for about 10 minutes. He was very amiable, and tolerated all of my hero worship. I thought it was pretty good of him, considering I was falling down drunk.

Same weekend I also met Eric Lindros (chump) and almost ran down Gretzky in the Village Square.

425 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:37am

#398 Writermom

I loved ONJ!!1

I met her a few years ago. She was wearing a t-shirt and jeans and no make-up and I had no idea who she was until someone told me. I just thought she was a very attractive older woman with an Aussie accent.


BTW, to a 25-year-old (at the time), 40-something is "older".

426 rebmiami  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:40am

I saw Martin Lawrence and his crew coming to play basketball at the Downtown Athletic Club in Miami

I saw Jackie Mason at an Atlanta Bread Company (sandwich chain) near the federal courthouse in Fort Lauderdale.

I shook hands with John Kerry in my law firm's lobby.

427 dennisw-matamoros  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:40am

lawhawk
___

Lena Olin ranks. An immortal beauty with intellect. She's in "Enemies, a Love Story" which has a Roger Simon (blogger site by Charles) screenplay plus Alan King (may he rest in peace) is in it as rabbi Lembecker. My step mother was a court reporter in Great Neck, Alan King was often there to stand for his errant kids (troublemakers)

428 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:53am
It's fun seeing John Denver come back in just after shopping to buy tampons

Please do not, I repeat, DO NOT elaborate on why he would need tampons!!!

429 Perry  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:06:57am

Any bets that Charles would win this contest?

430 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:07:00am

#419 stumbly

Yours don't work because they are...well, impressive.

While the rest of us are bragging about riding up the elevator with Potsy...

I mean, wow.

431 rob  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:07:59am

Oh, and, for the radicals:

In 1970, I coverd (for the campus radio station) Jerry Rubin's visit to UC Santa Barbara. Quite the party, we ended up at some radical lawyer's place in LA (Allard Lowenstein) with Jerry and groupies plotting to take over the world, which somehow required a number of attactive coeds to get naked with Jerry in the hot tub -- to his wife's disapproval, but somehow she was gotten out of the way to do something else. I don't remember too much of the night after about 3am, but I did wake up around noon the next day back in Santa Barbara.

432 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:08:05am

As long as musicians are fair game, I spent an entire evening with John Jorgenson (Nashville session guitar ace, among other things). He couldn't have been a nicer guy, and he got me into a private party for Scotty Moore (Elvis' lead guitarist), which pretty well pegged my (ahem) celeb'o'meter.

433 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:08:09am

I once drank a Budweiser with Robert Stegemeier.


I once drank a beer with Buster Bloodvessel.


I saw Steven Tyler at BOS once, American Airlines baggage claim. He is uglier in person.

Kiefer Sutherland's dad (I can't remember the name, you know the guy from M*A*S*H and "Animal House) once urinated in the next urinal over from my brother in the airport in Saint Louis.


Laura Bush sent me an e-mail, at my house, yesterday, that started "Dear Edward".

I saw Mathew McConahey (I know, spelling) and Sandra Bullock at the post office store between "The Crown and Anchor" and "The Posse East". I didn't know who he was at the time. I thought to myself, that looks like Sandra Bullock, only shorter. When they left the owner told me who they were.

I walked by Emilio Estevez in Eastwood Park once. He was filming a movie nobody ever saw ("The War at Home"). He is also very short, but, and I'm not gay or anything, but he had striking blue eyes.


Speaking of short, I saw Peter Gardere, the last Texas QB to go 4 and 0 against the Sooners, who later played in obscurity for a CFL expansion team, in the 7-11 on Guadalupe near 26th. He was supposedly 6'0". BS. 5'10", max. No wonder he got picked so often, he couldn't see over the shoulder pads of his O-line.

About the Cult, I saw them open for Billy Idol at the Cow Palace.

434 Mcgyver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:09:10am

Come to think of close encounters with celebraties, I once saw Elvis in Walmart buying suppositories...

Mcgyver, out

435 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:09:40am

#422 Jefe

I was never into the Connells either.

Speaking of, I'll segue to part of my indie rock moments. When the bands play small clubs, it's so easy to get up front. I also had a minor hobby of snagging and collecting the little song lists they scribbled to put on the floor. I have no idea what happened to them since my parents moved, but in any case probably the most famous set I ever got belonged to Helmet, just before they became MTV Buzz Bin hyped darlings in '92. . . .

436 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:10:10am

I forgot to mention my other brush with the famous: I once shook hands with Bubba himself. It was in my previous LLL incarnation--which I often forget I once had--at a fundraiser for a Jewish organization that my mother dragged me to. I must admit that I found him kinda sexy at the time, in his raging horndog, Southern, former-leader-of-the-free-world kind of way. Now, of course, I wonder what on earth could have possessed me.

I'm not planning on reading The Doorstopper--all 900 plus pages--which is certain to be the greatest unread bestseller of our time. Most people, I'm sure, are only interested in reading the naughty bits, and since Slate has thoughtfully provided them in this summary, everyone can spare themselves the trouble and expense of having to stand in line at the local Borders.

437 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:10:18am

I guess most of you have seen this by now, but here is a list of useful hints and programs for being more safe while surfing and anti-Jihading:

[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]

438 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:11:57am

WriterMom (#428),

It was funny. His wife would sit in the car and make him come in to do the shopping.

439 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:11:58am

#434 McGuyver

Come to think of close encounters with celebraties, I once saw Elvis in Walmart buying suppositories...

Which might help explain why he ended up expiring on the commode.

440 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:12:31am

Otis Redding, Jr. went to my high school for about one year, or maybe just one semester.

I saw Harry Hamlin at a newsstand in Studio City. Dressed plainly - or should I say, dressed in clothes that were nice in the late 70s (this was 1993). Sunglasses (of course), a bit smaller than I expected.

I saw Chloris Leachman ("Phyllis") on 3rd Street in Santa Monica. Some people can handle years in the sun without too much damage to their skin - sadly, she was not one of those people.

I think I mentioned previously that I saw Roger Waters of Pink Floyd while I was on my way to meet the manager of the venue at which he was playing, to ask him to drop charges (he did) which resulted from a beer too many at a previous concert (Ronnie James Dio) at another one of his facilities.

441 superchachi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:12:38am

what this video tells us is that the US military is even more successful and efficient than originally thought. "Collateral Damage" had been written off as a mistake, now we know that in some cases we may be exterminating the Terrorist Class of 2019.

442 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:13:09am

#339 D-Fens

What an awesome webpage. I wish I'd been that courageous in high school (during the Ford, and then Jimmuh Carter administration) but we didn't have such big worries then. We just worried about stuff like zits, and "Do you think she likes me?"

443 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:13:13am

#420 logger phd

Sorry, here is one to cleanse the palate. I hung out with her and her friends a couple of times :-)

444 Thousand Sons  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:13:41am

I met Robert Anton Wilson at Dragon*Con.

He made me an official Discordian pope! Its true!

445 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:14:13am

Shot some basketball with David Robinson...

Had drinks with Micheal Vick

446 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:15:52am

scaramouche - don't worry you are forgiven!

I can't think of a single lefty that 'does it' for me, not a single whiskey, sexy, democracy chemical charge among the entire left wing.

447 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:16:13am

On the non-celebrity, but LGF-relevant side of things:

I've shaken hands with King Abdullah of Jordan, met the Security Ministers for Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE, and was in a college band with the nephew of General Zia (the Pakistani dictator who was assasinated by plane-crash).

448 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:16:27am

#335 V the K:

the Dave Chappelle sketch about eating pancakes with Prince is... hands down... the funniest thing I have seen so far in the 21st century.

I literally fell off the couch laughing when whatsisname said (after getting his ass kicked by Prince on the B-ball court), "... and then he took us back to his house, and made pancakes". I still can't figure out why that was so goddam funny. But it was.


My best celebrity encounter while living in NYC: I was walking down 5th Avenue just before Xmas, lost in thought, when the two women in front of me whirled around and gasped, "omigawd, that was Elle McPherson!". I turned, saw the back of a tall, long-haired, amazing figure striding down the avenue; wondered briefly how in the hell I could have failed to notice Elle walking right by me. Decided that I could either a) go to my grave not knowing if it was really her, or b) follow her to find out. Opted for b). Some might call this "stalking"; I call it, um, I'll get back to you on that. Followed her into Bergdorf Goodman. Pretended to be interested in the merchandise there; from the price tags, I quickly realized why Elle shops there and I don't. Got close enough to see it was, in fact, her, even heard her cute Aussie accent as she asked the salesgirl a question.

Celebrity encounter in Washington, DC; I frequently see Mark Shields having lunch. (How pathetic is that? I want Elle back.)

449 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:16:54am

Oh yeah, I forgot:

I signed up Amanda Mackaye (Ian's sister) up for a video membership at the (now defunct) video store I worked at (summer '91).

. . . and if you don't know who Ian Mackaye is, you suck (even though he's an LLL too).

450 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:08am

#446 WriterMom

C'mon. You mean Al Franken has never made you weak in the knees?

Me neither.

451 Mcgyver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:24am

#439 scaramouche - Uhmmm, that WAS the joke.

Is anything on topic this thread? No? How 'bout this?

This Just in, 20 Killed at Iraq Militant Hideout

Yes!

Mcgyver, out

452 HULUGU  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:25am

damn--the only famous person i ever saw at carl's pharmacy in aspen was myself when i looked in the mirror to check out some cheap sunglasses i was trying on--anyone who lives in new york--goes to aspen--and visits l.a.-- has had more contact with non-civilians than on the old m.g.m. lot--its no biggie--although clint and sean connery moved my cheese a little--imagine dancing and turning around to see "james bond" boogying next to you--almost but not quite blew my legendary cool

453 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:36am

395 Mcgyver

That's a nice story.

I think that many in our society have stupidly forgotton how important it is for boys to learn about honor and being a man. Heroes are more important than any LLL realizes.

454 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:40am

logger phd:

Fugazi...that brings back memories

455 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:18:57am

#435 logger phd

I snagged the setlists from both bands at the Connells/BoDeans show, but I've since lost them. I grew up in Va. Beach, where the Connells were pretty huge, but it's rare to find anyone else who's even heard of them. I remember the over-hyping of Helmet, along with Pavement. Another of my favorite indie bands was Guided by Voices, though I've never seen them live.

456 Joel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:19:04am

One of my classmates in Junior High School (what they now call Middle School) was Al Sharpton (before he became a Reverend). One of my classmates in Hunter College was the future actress Ellen Barkin.

Back to topic - great news! Major suicide bombing in Jerusalem thwarted
AS I have posted many tiems in LGF and debated many posters 0 teh fence was a fantastic idea taht should have been built years ago.

OT- A meeting of anti Semitic minds - Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader. Nots ince Hitler and Stalin figuratively shook hands in 1939 has two Jew haters who share nothing else in common made "love." Ralph Nader: Conservatively Speaking Warning - MAJOR BARF ALERT!

457 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:19:14am
Speaking of short, I saw Peter Gardere, the last Texas QB to go 4 and 0 against the Sooners, who later played in obscurity for a CFL expansion team, in the 7-11 on Guadalupe near 26th. He was supposedly 6'0". BS. 5'10", max. No wonder he got picked so often, he couldn't see over the shoulder pads of his O-line.

Peter the Great! A friend of mine from Beaumont played high school football with former UT quarterback James Brown and nearly knocked out highly overrated former UT quarterback Chris Simms out at a bar in Austin. Speaking of former Big 12-South quarterbacks, Corey Pullig (Texas A&M 1993(?) - 1997) is a regular at that downtown Houston club as well.

458 Moses Cleaveland  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:19:33am

Dave Ray, correction. It was bashing that ass, Canuckistan with a Neil Young guitar that got the ball rolling. Thank you very much.

BTW, not much muslim seething here in Cleveland since Fawaz was found guilty. Somewhat surprising.

459 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:21:40am

Occasional Reader,

I frequently see Mark Shields having lunch.

You poor man, you need to find a new lunch spot. ;-)

460 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:22:23am

Moses Cleaveland:

I stand corrected and humbly apologise

461 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:22:26am

For Star Wars geeks, I've chatted with Peter Mayhew and Anthony Daniels. AD was on stage at the time but I was the only one answering his questions and he liked my shirt.

Worst celebrity brush: watched Alan Kulwicki's plane crash.

462 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:22:35am

#443 RWC:

I hung out with her and her friends a couple of times :-)

Have I mentioned that I think you're a terrific guy, and that we really need to get together more often? Feel free to, ah, bring your friends.

Also: I saw Jerry Stiller in his underwear*, in the locker room of the New York Health & Racquet Club. I'll still take the Elle sighting over this, call me crazy.


___
* he was not wearing a "bro"/"manssiere"

463 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:22:57am

#417 rob
When the Boomers and ex-hippies take over AARP and turn it into a lefty version of SPECTRE, we'll use you for a deep cover agent. ;-)

#418 Right Wing Conspirator
Thanks for the visual. Eck!

#419 stumbley

Very cool!

Oh forgot one, I got high with JB Hutto once.

464 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:24:13am
465 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:25:50am

#455 Jefe

A HS friend of mine made me a tape with "Fun and Games" on it; that's their only song I've heard (I FFed past that one).

My "save the show" moment: Kurt, the lead singer for Lilys (even if you have never heard of them, you have have heard their music on a Calvin Klein ad back in '95), was so desperate at the Black Cat when I saw them that he asked the audience for something for his throat. Fortunately, I was in front and able to give him a breath mint I had.

466 Enik  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:26:10am

Was a van driver during my brother's failed attempt at being a concert promoter. We were running around like chickens with their head cutoff the day of the show and I ended up being late to pickup Joan Jett at the airport. After a 5 minute lecture (ok the lunatic was screeming at me) by her manager I left with the band for the hotel. Being nervous as hell, I took the wrong exit out of the airport (dumbass). I ended up on a major highway going away from the bridge I needed to cross the river. At the next exit I decided to find another route in a town I didn't know. Once the band finally noticed (they were busy in the back of the van) I was driving through a residential area they inquired about how much longer to the hotel (I lied...roads are closed due to the hydro races...) they bought it and went back to their joint. I sweated it until I finally got back on the bridge and found my way. The only thing I heard from Joan was Thaaanks, said slowly in the lowest raspyist voice you image.

My brother re-assigned me the next day...

467 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:26:18am

#451 McGyver

Coulda happened. Considering how he died, someone must have seen him buying suppositories.

468 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:26:34am

#443 RWC

Who is that?

469 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:27:26am

#447 - in a similar vein:

Met Shamir, Peres, Bibi, Rafael Eitan, and Benny Begin all in 1994 while in Israel. Participated in group interviews with all. Eitan only spoke to us in Hebrew (difficult since most were not native Hebrew speakers).

OT (as if this thread has a topic anymore -
Pakistan Denies AQ Link As 'Biased' (sneer quotes in original)

470 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:27:41am

#464 Rayra, sweetie:

GAZE at Canuckistan.

471 Mcgyver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:27:42am

#453 D-Fens 'zactly my point. I don't have a clue what constitutes a hero now. Major league ballplayers? feh

When I get home, I am instituting a major project to enlighten my kids. They live with their Mom and, sadly, I haven't had enough influence in that area.

Mcgyver, out

472 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:27:52am

I have been drunk at the Posse East. And West.

473 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:28:35am
One of my classmates in Junior High School (what they now call Middle School) was Al Sharpton

I had a shoeshine next to Sharpton about two months ago (I think I mentioned that here). I ignored him.

#459 Geepers:

Shields usually has a pile of newspapers or clippings in front of him, eats alone, and sort of mumbles a bit to himself as he reads through them. He comes across as something of a nutty homeless guy, but better-dressed. Still, he's not unpleasant, and it's a pretty quotidian lunch spot, nothing fancy, so I give him credit for mingling with the proles.

474 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:28:58am

#418 right wing conspirator

Sorry to hear about your aunt.
I see Jeff Goldblum around town quite often (I live and work in Hollywood). He's always with a different young vixen.
He is a true horn-dogger.

475 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:29:36am

#462 Occassional Reader

LOL. Sorry, I haven't seen her for a while. But she did have some cute classmates. (ps - never saw her out though :-( )

OT - I don't know when this took place, but here is an interview with Aaron Weisburd.

476 Sean  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:30:13am

I met Ben Stein at the Las Colinas Studios when he came out of a dressing room while I was herding summer camp kids through a tour.

He's quite friendly and a very classy individual.

477 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:30:42am

They're building their youngsters into coldblooded killers.

Eerily reminiscent of Ender's Game.

Except, we are the buggers.

478 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:31:34am

#474 Ringo the Gringo

This was a long, long time ago. Long time.

479 peace be upon me  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:32:12am

WHY BUSH'S PROJECTION OF AMERICAN WEAKNESS AT FALLUJAH AND NAJAF, IS SUICIDAL

1. The current crisis of Islam is comparable to the 4 other crises that that filthy cult has experienced:

[Link: www.milligazette.com...]

Those aware of our centuries long history can rightly point out that the danger was not new though unique it may be, that earlier too we had grappled with such situations of gloom. Confronted yet again with a major crisis, probably the fifth one in our history - the earlier four being; the civil strife leading to the death of the third Caliph, the sack of Abbasid Baghdad, the fall of Grenada, and the termination of the Ottoman Caliphate - we however appear to be a lot devoid of a vision for the future. The psychological fallout of ‘war on terror’, the direct occupation of Iraq, the colonization of Afghanistan, the subjugation of Libya and Iran, the continued humiliation of Pakistan and other Muslim nations in the face of American imperialism and the ever changing-stance of our Ulema/ intellectuals on issues of strategic importance have reinforced the notion that our intellectual crisis is more acute and religious thought more muddled than what meets the eye. In fact, we do not know where do we go from here?
Our waywardness is a logical outcome of our self-engineered dismissal from the seat of authority and guidance, the God-ordained status of the chosen Ummah. The very first crisis of our history, the civil strife leading to a situation when center could not hold, eventually set our caravan to a road to perpetual crises. With the murder of Othman not only the political authority was lost but the very ‘spatial atmosphere’ of Revelation was sent to exile in which Muslims of the first generation breathed. Since then onward we Muslims have been journeying centrifugally away from the pure revelatory weltanschauung. The message of Islam, that sharp-edged revolutionary dicta of human dignity and liberation that once had taken the world by storm was no longer that attractive owing to the new Muslim colour it had acquired. Confronted with technological prowess of western imperialism, today when we desperately need, more than ever before, that sharp-edged revolutionary dicta, the mesmerizing nay, rather sublime power of revelation, we find it transformed into a set of lifeless rituals. Having been assigned to lead the history till the end of time, we have yet to realize in full that our crisis is of a cosmic dimension. The world without us is doomed to fail. But before we go ahead to reinstate ourselves once again in the seat of leadership and guidance we need to set our own house in order, or so to say, rediscover the divine light of revelation that once had shown our way.

ERGO COMMON SENSE DICTATES: ACT QUICKLY AND DECISIVELY, AND BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. THE PROBLEM WITH ISLAMOFASCISTS IS: THEIR LIVES. WE MUST MAKE MUSLIMS COMPLICIT IN THE MASS KILLING OF THOSE SAVAGES, BY IMPOSING STARVATION SIEGES ON EVERY MAJORITY MUSLIM CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. THE EXCHANGE: THE DEAD BODIES OF EACH AND EVERY [bigoted word] WHO EITHER FINANCED, PERPETRATED, ACCEDED TO, GAVE MORAL SUPPORT TO ISLAMOFASCISM, IN BARTER FOR FOOD. EITHER THEY DO OUR KILLING FOR US; OR THEY STARVE.

Part 1

480 Thousand Sons  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:32:18am

#461 Renna

I hung out with the original Boba Fett!

481 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:33:11am

OT (like almost everything else here):

Looks like they're getting closer to al-Zaqarwi in Fallujah:

U.S. Kills 20 Foreign Fighters in Iraq, Official Says

482 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:33:39am

#474 Ringo the Gringo

I used to think Jeff Goldblum was sexy until I realized that it was only because I thought he resembled former Band-guy Robbie Robertson--who really is sexy. (That voice; those eyes.)

483 Sean  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:35:00am

Charles, I need a Cycle of Violence thread.

484 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:35:20am

#482 scaramouche

Ah, forgot those Canadians from The Band.

485 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:36:19am

Ed Bennett and Pat Buchanan's crazy brother Hank both used to eat regularly at the McDonald's near my house.

My memory of Bennett was of him shoving a fistful of fries in his face while he was still waiting for the cashier to give him change. Ewww!! He was, uh, quite a bit bigger than I expected.

One time when Hank Buchanan was there, a busload of students from Brandeis entered. I could swear I could see Hank's hair standing on end.

486 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:36:59am

#465 logger phd

A HS friend of mine made me a tape with "Fun and Games" on it; that's their only song I've heard (I FFed past that one).

An old college roommate told me he couldn't stand the Connells because Fun & Games was so overplayed in the Hampton Roads area, and that was the only song he knew. He was converted when I lent him a few cd's. I haven't listened to them in years, though. They do get kind of repetitive.

487 godfrey  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:37:18am

What happens if US troops take Zarqawi alive?

Turn him over to Iraqi custody? Ship him to Gitmo? Put panties on his head?

That'll show him.

488 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:37:35am

479 peace be upon me

Izzat you Camel Prophet?

489 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:37:39am

I sense a newly incarnated Camel Prophet is among us...

490 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:01am

479 peace be upon me

Camel Prophet?

491 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:13am

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

The Germans are out of Euro 2004!!!

scuse me while I put on a very upper class British accent and loudly exclaim:

"Harry Hun you've been beaten and humiliated, go home to Dusseldorf and drown your sorrows with pilsner and schnitzels! The Krauts are out, the Krauts are out! Rule Britannia...etc etc"


I am now so happy, it's amazing!

492 smooth rat  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:23am

Once I was in the Delta Crown Room at JFK, and George Plimton started eating my bowl of snack mix at the bar (honest mistake, and he was very polite).

And then there was the time at the 96 Olympics when I sat right behind Johnny Cochrane at the "Dream Team" basketball game. My knee was pressed into his back (long legs and small stadium seats)...Oh! how I wanted to "accidently" spill my Sprite on his head.

493 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:35am

Hah! It's agreed, then.

494 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:46am

#484 logger phd

When I was seventeen (it was a very good year) I saw The Band with Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young at an all-day outdoor concert in Toronto. One of the stellar memories of my youth.

495 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:38:53am

1000 sons

Bulloch?

I'll be expecting an autograph in the mail, thank you very much.

496 lizzy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:39:30am

hi all!
long time no see.. big hug to zulu, wsba, cba, etc! had computer problems, and il write you all soon..
as for this gorge -riisng thread,,, im in shock.
i bet it was made in gaza, as those are very very local looking floors.. anyone who has ever been in israel wuold recognize them immediately...

497 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:39:53am

Looks like Camel Prophet's back.

498 Beagle  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:40:10am

Back to playing SpecForCom, Navy SEAL, 101st Airborne silly games like I always do.

I'm reading "The Warrior Elite: The Forging of SEAL Class 228," by Dick Couch

Dick is an unassuming guy. I'd suggest you not make fun of his first name, though I doubt he'd kill you with one finger like I'm guessing he's capable of.

SEAL BUDs training is the hardest athletic and psychological training I'm aware of. I'd get hurt, freeze and quit, or just do a face plant and never move again.

Just being honest. Even if I was young, ouch!

499 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:40:16am

Cmon Rayra, let's hear your celebrity dirt.

500 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:40:28am

Hi lizzy!

(((welcome back)))

501 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:40:29am

#440 Frank IBC 6/23/2004 01:12PM PST

Otis Redding, Jr. went to my high school for about one year, or maybe just one semester.

We all felt sorry for the kid who sat behind me in Miss Sullivan's drama class at University High School. He just had no talent at all (I was much better than he was), and worse for him, his father and brother were famous actors.

He was the nicest guy in the class, however, extremely friendly even to the geeks, but he had a lot of trouble after graduation, but eventually straightened out and "got it."

His name -- Jeff Bridges. (There is hope for the rest of us.)

BY THE WAY... The evil clip appears to have been taken down -- anyone know of an alternate site?

502 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:41:08am

Okay, so maybe only Charles would appreciate this, but the dude in the center row, far left, was my roommate in college my first two years.

He also has two adorable sons.

503 HULUGU  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:41:19am

scared of moutaches--robbie robertson is a full blood mohawk indian--for what its worth--big pink is one of the ten best rock albums ever

504 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:41:25am

457

If Simms had redshirted his freshman year (no, I wouldn't even have started him in the Aggie game with Applewhite sick) I think he would have been a much better quarterback. Great physical skills, needed more work.

He may turn out well in the NFL.

It saddens me, but every year Texas manages to have a pretty good, but never a great season. Back when Gardere when 4-0 against OU, they couldn't beat A&M. Now that A&M can't play their way out of a wet, pre-perforated paperbag, they can't beat OU.


Maybe this year'll be different. Strange, hard to fire a coach with, say a 10-2 or 9-3 record, but do you let Brown go a decade winless against OU?

505 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:41:59am

Didn't realize The Band & Robbie Robertson are Canadian. I'm not sure where it's from, but one of my favorite mp3's is a live Broken Arrow with Peter Gabriel.

506 mountb  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:42:08am

#339 D-Fens

Mine too! I notice that challenging the LLL establishment is becoming a cool, "subversive" thing for young people to do. It was probably inevitable given the left's vicegrip on our media and educational institutions.

507 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:42:51am

#496 lizzy

Welcome back lizzy.

508 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:43:02am

Occasional Reader,

Shields usually has a pile of newspapers or clippings in front of him, eats alone, and sort of mumbles a bit to himself as he reads through them. He comes across as something of a nutty homeless guy, but better-dressed.

LOL. Yup, that's the image I get of Shields.

509 Ms. Andi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:43:22am

As far as celebrity run-ins, I ran into Courtney Love at a 7-11 in Seattle around 3am. Actually, she almost stumbled on me, I braced her fall. Her response? "Get your f-ing hands off of me you c**t..." Charming.

Oh, this was her pre-plastic surgery days, she looked (and smelled) like hell. Ghastly woman.

510 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:44:08am

OT: But Scary As Hell: Flight Attendants Still Being Taught to Cooperate With Hijackers

Flight attendants on commercial airlines are still being trained to cooperate with hijackers and be victims rather than fight back, despite the attcks of September 11.

The article goes on to say that the TSA is still working on training guidelines, and plans to have them in place next year. Three years plus after 9-11.

And liberals wonder why the right thinks the government is incompetent.

511 Ms. Andi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:44:29am

that's weird how my post looks like that

512 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:44:40am

Hey, now it's all coming back to me...

ANNND, I was once on a fairly small turboprop commuter flight from Providence, RI to LaGuardia; a whole buncha models were on the flight, including SI Swimsuit Issue model Roshumba Williams.

I asked the flight attendant at one point if they had any newspapers, and she said no. Roshumba heard me, passed up her USA Today, and gave me a smile. My brain shut down for the rest of the flight.

So, summing up: Elle McPherson, Roshumba Williams, and Jerry Stiller in his underwear. I have, indeed, lived a very full life.

513 peace be upon me  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:44:50am

Part 2
WHY BUSH'S PROJECTION OF AMERICAN WEAKNESS AT FALLUJAH AND NAJAF IS SUICIDAL:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

The group that beheaded Johnson calls itself "The Fallujah Brigade," named after the Iraqi city which was the scene of a brief insurgency a few weeks ago.

The Arab media, especially the satellite TV channels, presented the Fallujah insurgency as "one of the greatest battles the Arabs have ever waged against the Crusaders," as an editorial in the daily Al-Arab claimed.

The fact that the Arabs had hardly played a role in the historic Crusades (which were largely fought by Turks, Kurds and the Mamelukes) did not prevent the propagandists from exaggerating the "Epic of Fallujah" far beyond an understandable degree of hype.

Dominated by pan-Arabists and Islamists, the Arab media claimed that the United States had deployed "all its military might" to conquer Fallujah and had failed. The "heroes of Fallujah" fought like lions and, supported by non-combatants, including women and children (who
died in thousands), succeeded in winning "a spectacular victory," thus "saving Arab honor."

More than a dozen Arab poets have already committed odes and sonnets to commemorate Fallujah as "the Arab Stalingrad." One Syrian composer is working on an opera about "the heroes of Fallujah," while a couple of Egyptian hacks are breaking their typewriters to
produce scripts for a film and a TV series on this latest of imaginary Arab victories.

The phrase "the Fallujah butchery" has been hammered into the Arab consciousness to justify an almost pathological hatred of the United States as a power responsible for "many thousands of civilian deaths."

The beheading of Paul Johnson, therefore, is presented as an act of revenge for deaths that, in fact, never happened.

ERGO COMMON SENSE DICTATES: THE UNOFFICAL ARAB AWAKENING (AS-SAHWAH) MOVEMENT - WHICH HAS THE SUPPORT OF MOST ARABS, WILL MAKE CAPITAL OUT OF BUSH'S SNATCH OF DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY. FALLUJAH-MYTHOLOGY WILL FUEL TERROR IN EXPONENTIAL PROPORTIONS.

514 [Engineer]  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:44:56am

#330 Cam

OL. I always scratched my head over that tune. I mean, c'mon, being a rocket scientist is pretty frikkin' impressive.

Doesn't mean you are a nice guy - think Von Braun

515 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:46:10am

Definitely Camel Prophet.

516 Jefe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:46:33am
Oh, this was her pre-plastic surgery days, she looked (and smelled) like hell. Ghastly woman.

She still looks like hell IMO. I remember seeing a Hole video on 120 Minutes before their big break. I thought they were horrible and would never amount to anything. Then, she married Kurt Cobain.

517 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:46:39am

#509 --- Ms Andi, I'd lay odds that the little kids playing "smite the infidel" have a better shot of growing up normally than Courtney Love's kid.

518 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:47:39am

I won't even get into who my stepmother met working at the Chanel boutique in Downtown DC: more than I can imagine.

Let me just say this: she got hit on by Sargent Shriver at work. Even people associated with the Kennedys by marriage are leches!

519 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:47:47am

The voting for the H.Con.Res. 460 just occurred.

The vote, I think, was like 407 yea, 9 nea (1 republican, 8 democrats), 3 present (democrats), 16 not voting.

I'll see if I can find the individual votes.

520 daylight  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:47:57am

Sadly still pertinent:

"WHEN THE ARAB MOTHER LOVES HER CHILDREN MORE THAN SHE HATES ISRAEL, THEN PEACE MAY RETURN TO THE REGION"
(MRS GOLDA MEYER PRIMEMINISTER OF ISRAEL 28 YEARS AGO)

521 Piglet  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:48:13am

Ahhh Werner Von Braun... I aim for the stars but sometimes hit London

(Harvard Professor who became a comedian...I forget his name said it should have been Von Braun's autobiography)

522 HULUGU  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:48:15am

the band was canadien--but they lived and created music in upstate new york--woodstock--you might have heard of it

523 Atlas Wannabe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:48:20am

Canuck-o-fuck

"You might be surprised, kids have really neutral attitudes to what they see, especially when they're young."

You sir, are a condescending fuck.

524 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:48:43am

#482 scaramouche:

Again with the Canadian musicians!

;-)

525 DGMS  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:49:07am

Will the West survive?

[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

526 EW1(SG)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:49:20am

#148 OR: Growing up in the Pacific Northwest, we'd play cowboys and indians when I'd go out to my grandparents ranches. With real Indians, and we played with real horses too: kind of confusing in retrospect-were we all cowboys or how does that work?

Now, as to Canadian vocalists, Cam might possibly heard of my two favorites: Valdy and Lyndia Scott. Who was almost as much fun to look at as OR's Elle sighting.

527 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:49:21am

Good thing reaganite isn't here, he can completely kick all of our asses combined on the celeb-encounters bit.

528 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:50:36am
The vote, I think, was like 407 yea, 9 nea (1 republican, 8 democrats), 3 present (democrats), 16 not voting

Summary:

(1) strongly endorses the principles articulated by President Bush in his letter dated April 14, 2004, to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon which will strengthen the security and well-being of the State of Israel; and

2) supports continuing efforts with others in the international community to build the capacity and will of Palestinian institutions to fight terrorism, dismantle terrorist organizations, and prevent the areas from which Israel has withdrawn from posing a threat to the security of Israel.


Link

529 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:51:35am

461


Ever wonder if an owner-driver like Kulwicki would still be top tier if he was alive today?

Of course, extra sad is Davey Allison, all the skill (at least) of the 24 driver, none of the whining annoying personality.

I'm starting to wonder if Rusty Wallace hasn't entered (despite the win at Martinsville) the 5 year "death slide" former superstars like Richard Petty and Darryl (Past Champions Provisional) Waltrip were in at the end of their careers. Ditto Texas Terry in the #5 car, especially in what should be similar equipment to the 24, 25 and 48. Although neither Rusty or Terry are as truly awful as Petty or Waltrip at the end.

I saw DW race in person only once, back at TMS. Joy of joy, the 24 wrecked in turn 2. Massive front end damage, no amount of 200 mph tape could fix it. But he came out, oh, 15 laps or so down, and would be lapped about every ten laps or so. Waltrip, in an undamaged car, ran with Gordon the rest of the day.

530 scaramouche  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:51:51am

Re: The Band. I think four of the five were Canucks. Levon Helm, the drummer, was from Arkansas. They started out in the 60s playing backup in Toronto for Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins, a rockabilly expat who still lives up here.

See Martin Scorscese's 1978 movie The Last Waltz for more historical info.

(Which reminds me of what happened when I saw the film in the movie theatre. Sitting in front of me and my friend in an audience where the average age was probably 16 or younger, were an elderly Jewish couple. As the lights went out and the movie came on, I heard the woman speaking in a distinct Yiddish accent say to her husband "nu, so vere's the valtz?' It seems they thought the movie had something to do with Johann Strauss and some smaltzy Blue Danube-type walzes, and had instead happened upon Cripple Creek.)

531 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:51:51am

Yup, it's Camel Prophet.
(Check the post three up from that link.)

532 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:52:04am

Welcome back, Lizzy!

Glad to hear the good news from Jerusalem.

Shalom!

533 Sean II  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:52:55am

Bussed the tables of Rose kennedy and that Actress that played the oldest sister on the Cosby show in a rural town in Mass. Sat across from Jon Bon Jovi (sp?) at the Foxy Lady in Providence, RI.

534 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:53:21am
She still looks like hell IMO. I remember seeing a Hole video on 120 Minutes before their big break. I thought they were horrible and would never amount to anything. Then, she married Kurt Cobain.

She really fucked over the guys from Nirvana too. She's a fucking c#$t. I wish she'd overdose on heroin or something.

535 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:55:02am

[Engineer]:

Good point.

jefe:

Robbie Robertson and the Band started out as the backup band for Ronnie Hawkins. Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks. It was later on that they worked as a backup band for Dylan and became the Band. Fantastic musicians. Not so good at coming up with original band names.

;-)

536 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:55:45am

#488 Papijoe, #489 WriterMom, #490 Jefe, #497 & #515 RIP Ford -

Charles puts us in the picture, tells us what he means

537 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:56:36am

V the K (#510),

Sent that link to Charles this morning.

I bet the flight attendants are just thrilled to death about this part:

Additionally, air marshals and pilots are told that if necessary to "shoot through" attendants, and air marshals are being trained to do so during training simulations.
538 Harlan Pepper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:58:10am

SEMI-OT

The stuff below was just posted in a hacking newsgroup...

Korean Internet Users Launch Hacking Attacks on Ogrish.com

This was the article found on the main page of ogrish.com:

Launching personal attacks on Ogrish.com is taking the law into your
own hands : a method of action much like that of the
terrorists.(Cyber-Terrorists?) We trace all IPs and will prosecute
any attacks to the full extent of the law. Ogrish.com is not
encouraging harm to Kim Sun-Il or anyone else... in fact, we are
trying to discourage it by showing the reality of how evil these
terrorists are. Ogrish.com is merely trying to keep the public up to
date and provide the reality of the violence that goes on in the
world.

According to the link posted above, here is the following article..

Korean Internet Users Launch Hacking Attacks on Ogrish.com
Korean Internet users have launched "Hacking of Fury" attacks on a
website, Ogrish.com, which is trying to obtain and spread the video
of Kim Sun-il’s decapitation. This site posted the unabridged video
of Nicholas Berg’s beheading in May. The site enraged Korean Internet
users by posting an advertisement looking for video of Kim's
decapitation when Kim was kidnapped.

The site is posting a message on its main page that Kim has been
decapitated and is asking people to send in videos or photos of Kim’s
decapitation if they have them. In regards to this message, Korean
Internet users have gone on collective hacking attacks on the
website, saying, "We will punish a shameless website that is trying
to commercialize the death of a man."

Korean Internet users have posted ways to hack into Ogrish.com on
various Korean websites like DC and are making all-out efforts to
bring the website down. An Internet user resentfully suggested,
"Let’s hack in to hang a Korean flag on the site... Spreading a video
of the beheading is to ridicule the death of Kim Sun-il." Korean
Internet users have voiced concerns that a video of the beheading may
be circulated around the world and this would be tantamount to
killing Kim twice. Korean Internet users said, "Let’s join hands
together to prevent the circulation of the video of Kim Sun-il who
was killed undeservedly."

539 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:59:00am

#533 Sean II

that Actress that played the oldest sister on the Cosby show

Sabrina LeBeauf?

Last seen performing as Beatrice in Much Ado About Nothing here in DC???

She was a babe, although hardly ever seen on the show. . . .

540 Crusader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:59:24am

My brush with "celebrities" (you'll see why I use the quotation marks in a second).

15 years ago, when I was in my 20s, I travelled a lot with my job. I ran into Pro Wrestlers Kevin Sullivan, Rick Steiner, and Mike Rotunda at then-Washington National. Since all three of them were playing psychotic "villains" in their career at the time of my encounter, they seemed quite surprised when I approached them and asked for autographs. They were very nice about it though.

541 Mary  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:59:47am

My list is not impressive:

Judd 'Brat Pack' Nelson was at my friend's Bat Mitzvah (70s). We're from Portland ME - and he danced with my best girlfriend - all the while feeling her bum. Not my close encounter, but I did see him. Matt Dillon lived in the East Village in the 90s and I saw him around a bit. Also, spotted Cindy Crawford and hubby in Ruby Foos a few years ago. I apparently walk by famous people all the time in NYC but never recognize any (I often hear from friends, 'That was Jerry Sienfeld who just passed us.')

If my husband was here he could say that he is a fashion photographer who worked on many of Victoria's Secret catalogs in throughout the 80s. Kathy Ireland, Jill Goodacre, etc...

542 DGMS  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:59:54am

520 plus posts, hard to read each one before tomorrow morning, BUT speaking of Canadians, I haven't noticed John Candy being mentioned.

543 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 11:59:55am

Hi Lizzie!

544 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:00:14pm

#526 EW1(SG):

Our company drilled the well on his property on Saltspring Island. Paid right away, which makes him a good guy in my books...

We also did the one for Randy Bachman, also on Saltspring.

545 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:00:42pm

I was in Phillips in Harborplace in Baltimore eating lunch with my family, and our waitress points to a lady eating on the deck outside, and says "look at that lady over there - do you know who she is - that's the actress who played Louise Jefferson!!!"

She didn't just tell us, she told the entire friggin' restaurant, and pretty soon there was a line about 20 deep in front of Ms. J for autographs.

If I had been the manager of that restaurant, I would have fired that waitress so fast it would have made your head spin.

546 Dave Ray  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:01:03pm

538:

My estimation of Koreans has gone up in to the stratosphere!

547 sharona  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:01:29pm

V the K & Cam:

Dave Chapelle is my probably my favorite comedian - something about everything he does has me laughing out loud while holding my sides to keep my ribs from breaking.

Re: Prince & Pancakes, I have to say: Shirts vs. Blouses.

That, and this season's Wayne Brady episode are too, too funny.

Celebs I've Met or Seen:

Former British PM Harold Wilson (in college, such a sweet man & a bit of a flirt): A-Ha walking down the kings road in London: Wimbledon champ Stefan Edberg, Peggy Fleming; Jasmine Guy trying on furs at Neiman Marcus on Michigan Avenue (best spot for celeb spotting in Chicago besides Gibson's); Freshman year of High School with John Cusack; Joan Cusack owns a house in my neighborhood; Richard Gephardt, Harold Ramis & Rob Reiner when I worked at Wilmette's Walker Bros. pancake house (and I hate his politics, but Rob Reiner was such a nice guy - why can't he be a Republican!); Steve Dahl )for those of you old enough to remember America's original 'shock jock'); and my best, a near celeb sighting:

My London flatmate and I were able to talk one of Eric Clapton's roadies into letting us in the Royal Albert Hall during one of Clapton's week-long gigs. Backstage, we were looking for Eric and his manager at the time comes over and starts giving the roadie a hard time. I asked if Eric was there, got a "no, blah blah blah", so rather than risk a total loss I strode out on to the the center of the stage and took a picture of the view from the stage. The manager was laughing 'cause I pushed him out of the way and just walked out on stage like I owned the joint. I thanked him for his trouble and left. Sadly, this same manager was killed the following year in the same Alpine Valley (Wisoncsin) helicopter crash that claimed Stevie Ray Vaughn.

548 HULUGU  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:02:16pm

this is going to be a 600 post "jump the shark" thread about odds and ends and celebrity sightings because charles has probably gone bike riding in palos verdes--oh well--just another sign of randomness in the universe

549 Frank IBC  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:02:59pm

#501 Mardukhai -

Miss Sullivan's drama class

That's what I'm going to call a certain blog from now on. {giggle}

550 stumbley  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:03:20pm

Okay, last one, I swear.

Once, while working at the Director's Guild theater as an usher (Academy Award screening of 'On a Clear Day You Can See Forever'--how long ago was *that*?), I was moving chairs out of the aisle just as the film started. My attention directed toward the screen, I was too distracted to notice that guests were still arriving.

Carrying the chairs at "chest height", I inadvertently bumped into Candice Bergen('s), who (graciously) didn't punch me out for my faux paws. She was really nice about it.

551 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:03:38pm

Ed:

I think Crusty's still got some jam in him.

And Jeff Gordon blows goats.

552 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:04:00pm

#518 logger phd

She doesn't still work there, does she ???

553 lester1/2jr  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:06:15pm

A friend who speaks swedish tells me that the posts following the first one flame it heavily.

"

yeah,

"look how cute"
*Video of children with sticks that laughes at the camera, then reacts the beheading of Berg while giggeling.*

Followed by about twenty posts of people saying ''what an idiot you are'', ''you are sick'', ''lock this thread'', ''people like u gives Islam a bad name''.. etc"


This same friend disagreed with some of the facts in the other topic based on the swedish muslim thing and says the two girls who were kicked out of school for wearing the flag also were wearing swastikas. I haven't been able to find the story to verify though.

554 EW1(SG)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:07:00pm

#527 OR: Oh yeah, forgot to mention celebrity encounters--I've seen reaganite in a bar in DC.

555 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:08:04pm

Saw David Hasselhoff at Redeye Grill restaurant about 3 years ago.

Saw Jackie Mason on the street (53rd & 8th) about 2 years ago.

Saw Al Sharpton and some cronies at a hotel bar about 1.5 years ago.

Saw "Grandpa" Al Lewis on the street (49th & 7th) about 6 years ago.

Saw Howard Stern and Crazy Cabbie outside the Penn & Teller show at the Beacon Theater about 2 years ago.

Christmas Eve 2002: was having dinner at La Cote Basque, and towards the end of the meal, Bubba, Hillary and Chelsea (and one of Chelsea's friends I think) were seated at the table right next to us. My head was back to back with Bubba's. I'm no fan, and wouldn't feel right disturbing them, anyway, but my mother-in-law has no shame (and is quite crazy), and went up to them after the meal and gushed over Bill and Hillary for 5 minutes while me and my wife waited by the coat check. I was half hoping some of the Secret Service guys who were sitting at the bar would tackle her or something.

556 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:08:55pm

#547 sharona

Thanks for the reply yesterday, and yes the F1 race at Indianapolis was great. I had some great seats and got in some good shots.

Picture II

Picture III

557 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:09:11pm

Here's my last one-the girl who played one of the friends on A Different World went to my high school. The one with the irritating voice. She does Rugrats voices now. There was a school trip to Greece and Italy and she made sure how to learn:

I want to spend the night with you. in both languages before leaving.

Also Deborah Cox the singer.

558 Thousand Sons  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:10:30pm

#495 Renna

The same. He was very polite and charming.

Didnt get an autograph. How 'bout a pic? ;)

559 Ms. Andi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:10:36pm

#517 V the K

Ms Andi, I'd lay odds that the little kids playing "smite the infidel" have a better shot of growing up normally than Courtney Love's kid.

LOL! No doubt.

Here's another story about her when I lived in Seattle. There was this surprise show that Nirvana and others played to raise award money to help find the guy who murdered a local musician. I had a friend who worked at this club, and I was hanging out with her after the show. Next to us were the guys from Mudhoney and Curt Cobain. Well, scary Courtney suddenly had a fit, probably thinking Curt was getting too much attention. She promptly marched over to where they were, pushing folks out of the way, and screamed "get in the car a**hole!" He just sulked away, got into the limo waiting in front. The window was rolled down, he just had this pouty, pathetic look on his face as he sat there. Meanwhile, she starts yakking really loud to the guys in Mudhoney acting like she was their best friend. They were pretty pissed her told her "we were talking to him, what's your problem?" She then had one of her trademark tantrums and stormed out, screaming and yelling. Even when she got into the limo, she was still screaming.

560 DGMS  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:11:24pm

Star encounters..does living next door to Harry Smiths'* family, as a child count?

*Harry Smith you say...Ummm yeah, his stage name was Jay Silverheels.

And Harry come home quite a bit.

561 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:11:57pm
Korean Internet Users Launch Hacking Attacks on Ogrish.com

Yes! Excellent!

562 J.D.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:13:06pm

PC strikes Afghanistan?
Statement on Taliban Beheadings Retracted

I shook W's hand. Met the King. Of golf. Arnie. Talked to Barry Bonds coming out of his hotel in Cincinnati and he was a di*k.

I drove Johnny Paycheck back to his hotel after a concert. That was before he shot the guy in the head. I didn't see the concert, but my ex-husband had set it up. Barbara Mandrell was the opening act. I wasn't into country music at that time, but it's growing on me. A little.

My fence contractor is going on safari in Africa next month bow-hunting with Ted Nugent. Does that count?

563 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:13:48pm

#552 RWC

No, she quit when she and my dad moved to Norfolk. She got a big haul of discounted Chanel stuff though! (including a bottle of Egoïste I always kept for covering up the cigarette smell after concerts)

564 V the K  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:15:20pm

#559 Ms-Andi

She then had one of her trademark tantrums and stormed out, screaming and yelling. Even when she got into the limo, she was still screaming.

So, it comes as no surprise whatsoever that Courtney Love Supports John Kerry

565 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:18:28pm

#563 logger phd

Oh OK. Chanel used to be right downstairs but they just moved out to Tysons.

566 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:19:07pm
I was in Phillips in Harborplace in Baltimore eating lunch with my family, and our waitress points to a lady eating on the deck outside, and says "look at that lady over there - do you know who she is - that's the actress who played Louise Jefferson!!!"

I wonder how much Isabel Sanford had to tip her...

(Wasn't there a scene in Mommie Dearest where an aging Crawford went "incognito" to a shopping mall in sunglasses and a kerchief, while her personal assistant circulated in the crowd whispering "Am I seeing things, or is that...")

567 sharona  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:19:16pm

#556 RIP Ford:

I will have to look at them later, as my business blocks any photo pages (that or you could attach them to an e-mail to the address I'm registered under - sorry!). B*st@rds!

Sir Lurksalot:

I have a good Clinton story, too. I was in London just before Christmas 2001 (at that time, Chelsea was pretending to matriculate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, and Daddy came to visit her). My sister and I are eating at the Cafe Rouge across from the Hans Rd. exit. There's suddenly a back-up of cars, none of which are moving for a good 5 - 10 minutes. A man from a neighboring table and I get up from our chairs to see what all the commotion is: lo and behold, it's Billy C. gladhanding the crowd.

568 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:19:38pm

OT - this is too much!!! Palestinian Factions Oppose Egyptian Role in Gaza

A statement by the 10 factions late on Monday put them at odds with the Palestinian Authority...{snip} the militant groups said after a meeting of exiled leaders in Syria.

They said such a role would make it look “as if the Palestinian people were the problem, not the occupation”.

ummm...well...NO SHIT! Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Gawd...I feel the overwhelming presence of doom allah(mui grande piss be upon his, and their, heads) surrounding us at times.

569 newscaper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:20:45pm

re celebrities:
In May at Disney World we got a couple pics with Colin ?? of the US Whose Line Is It Anyway.

A few years before thatwe saw Julia Roberts incognito at a pool (also at Disney).

I saw Sammy Hagar on a plane out of Richmond back when he was still with VH.

Back in the '70s I saw Fred MacMurray (MY Three Sons) ath the King Tut exhibit in New Orleans.

Oh, and I had a friend who, on a road trip to another frat house at Cornell, pissed on Carl Sagan's lawn.

570 DP111  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:21:54pm

27 Stumbley

I pointed out that given the depredations of Islamic Jihadis, calling them terrorists such as the IRA, a bad name.

571 newscaper  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:21:55pm

... and how can I forget...

I had my copy of Will signed by G. Gordon Liddy when he spoke at RPI in Troy, NY back in the mid '80s.

572 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:22:10pm

sharona:

he got a lot of practice gladhanding Monica.

573 Ms. Andi  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:23:06pm

#564 V the K

LOL! He's really scoring some winner endorsements.

The Mullahs, 'Lil Kim and now Courtney

574 sharona  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:25:50pm

Sir Lurksalot:

He also had a reputation for gladhanding chicks, or propositioning women for the same privilege, during the time that I worked for his campaign back in 1992. His favorite line?

"How'd you like to sleep with the next President of the United States?"

I kid you not. Needless to say, I didn't work for him during the 1996 campaign. Unlike many Liberal women, I saw the light very quickly!

575 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:28:17pm

#565 RWC

They're not at the Willard anymore?!?! That is the ideal place for celebs in town, since movies are always shot nearby. I was also told it was their biggest boutique in the world outside Paris.

576 SoCalJustice  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:31:11pm

Roll Call vote for H.CON.RES.460

Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 220 1 6
Democratic 186 8 3 8
Independent 1
TOTALS 407 9 3 14
--- NAYS 9 ---

Conyers - D-MI (Dearborn)
Dingell - D-MI (Dearborn)
Kilpatrick - D-MI (Dearborn)
Kucinich - D-Mars
Lee - D-Bezerkeley
Paul - R-TX
Stark D-CA
Waters D-Compton
Woolsey D- CA


--- ANSWERED “PRESENT” 3 ---

Payne - D-NJ (Paterson)
Watson - D-CA
Watt - D-NC

We'll have to wait and see whether Cynthia McKinney rejoins the anti-Israel block of Congress.

577 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:31:30pm

Sharona:

Probably a better line than:

How'd you like to sleep with the next President of ...the Hair Club for Men
578 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:31:56pm

#574 sharona

He hit on you??? That would not surprise me. . . .

579 papijoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:35:24pm

#574 sharona

Based on your experience in 92, what's your opinion of this story:

Juanita Broaddrick

580 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:37:00pm

#576 SoCalJustice

Kucinich - D-Mars

LOL!

581 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:37:14pm

#297 angeles

No misunderstanding, or disagreement. My complaint is that the Israelis aren't tough enough on the Arabs.

#325 Bensmom

Colt, thanks for the report re thwarting of attack in Jerusalem. Needed a little good news.

This is the 57th suicide bombing stopped (in Israel) this year :-)

#496 lizzy

Good to hear from you :-)

582 EW1(SG)  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:37:17pm

#544 Cam: One album, Folksinger Deluxe and side of fries, that sold quite well. Decided he didn't want any part of the business and retreated to playing venues in BC.

583 sharona  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:37:41pm

Actually, logger phd, it wasn't me that he hit on (we never actually met one-on-one during the time I worked for the campaign). It was an acquaintance of mine, a photographer. She was one of many I heard about this from.

/ *glad not to have been slimed*

SoCal Justice:

Kucinich - D-Mars

Nice one - ROTFLMAO!

584 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:38:19pm

My funniest "famous person" story:

My team mate Chris (some of you met him at the last DC meet-up)and I were working a USSS detail when Clinton went to Manhattan, BTW, it was the event Denise Rich supposedly paid off Slick Willy for her ex's pardon. We were standing one level above the magnetometers watching who came through (Cindy Crawford, Michael Jackson, Larry King, etc.) when Doctor Ruth approached us with her NYC police escort. She looked at us and said "I will teach you sexual secrets if you tell me where the president is!" She was very persistent!

We were highly amused!

585 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:38:41pm

If we're allowed to go out to two degrees of separation:

An ex-girlfriend who did some modeling in the early 90s claims she was propositioned by Cindy Crawford. No, I have no video evidence of this (dammit dammit dammit dammit).

586 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:41:41pm

Reaganite just reminded me--I met Dr. Ruth, too, at a party in NYC. My friends dared me to hit on her. I was too chicken.

(I think reaganite should repeat the story he told at the DC gathering... the one about the demand to clean up a table... but that's up to him.)

587 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:41:43pm

#575 logger phd

Nope, they just moved about 2 weeks ago. Now that you bring it up, more celeb sightings downstairs - just recently - Richard Gere and *cough* - umm, does Dr. Phil count. Also sat next to ratboy James Carville at the Palm.

Oh, and sit and have drinks sometimes with President Bush's tailor.

588 Beagle  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:44:16pm

I met Chief Justice Warren Berger between Reagan's shooting and their ruling as a HS student. I met Trent Lott.

Jack Nicklaus, Rod Laver.

I've met George Takei. Sulu had the helm, I was fascinated.

All those were a long time ago.

About ten years ago, my friend and I, and our wives, offended the Village People in Atlanta. We were at the Midtown Music Festival. The Village People, or most of the Village, were in one elevator with some entourage.

Well, there were four of us, and we sort of looked at each other like, "um, that's a lot of Village People."

I think they were offended by us. I'd like to officially apologize to the Village People for our elevatorplungephobia possibly interprted as homo or costumophobia. Really, I love teasing some of my friends with "In the Navy." Also, once drunk, anyone will not only sing, but dance, YMCA. You guys are great. Anyway,

I saw Sally Kellerman at a campground for a while. She seemed nice, but I didn't bug her. I think she was like, hanging.

I've seen some other polticos.

OTOH, I saw Corey Feldman in a glass store front last time I was in LA. I don't know if the show aired. I don't know if it was adopt-a-celebrity... Sorry Corey, I do know it was a show attempt.

Here's his official site for you really big fans

589 sharona  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:45:42pm

papijoe:

Unlike some of the broads who came out of the woodwork re:Clinton, I believe Juanita Broaderick. She was extremely reluctant to come out with her story, did so only at her husband's behest, IIRC. She also, from what I understand, was able to confirm some of the things about Clinton's anatomy that we now know to be true. She had never varied from her stated facts, and has never wrote a book, talked to Barbara Walters, or any of those other silly things that said broads did. I really feel for her.

As we all know, rape is an extremely difficult charge to prove (unless the perp's DNA is evident and the victim shows physical signs of trauma that one doesn't present unless she has been forcibly penetrated). Because he charges were from the time that Clinton served as Arkansas Atty. General, and we long since past the standards of the Statute of Limitations, Clinton skirted being charged/punished criminally & politically. I think he is also of the sort who is so accustomed to women falling at his feet that he would be unable to recognize when someone doesn't want to be with him. He might honestly not understand why she would be so angry & upset with him. What a sicko he is, in so many ways.

590 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:46:53pm

I've seen Nelson Mandela, Prince Charles and Melanie Phillips; met Raphael Israeli, David Pryce-Jones, Bernard Henri-Levy, Anne McElvoy, Rival Schools, the lead singer of The Icarus Line.

I bet Charles' list makes our lists (maybe reaganite excepted) look weak :-)

591 Sir Lurksalot  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:47:06pm

#588 Beagle

I met Chief Justice Warren Berger ...


Mmmm, Burger.

592 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:49:41pm

#590 Colt:

I bet Charles' list makes our lists (maybe reaganite excepted) look weak :-)

Yeah, but neither Charles nor reaganite have seen Jerry Stiller in his underwear. I mean, picture it: this man, in his underwear. You're jealous, aren't you? Just admit it.

593 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:51:15pm

My aunt was Danny DeVito's PA for a while. A friend has met Zinedine Zidane. I know the guy who played "Young Lucius" in Titus (and am pleased to see he hasn't had any work since - twat). I've seen Matthew Perry and Hugh Jackman interviewed by Michael Parkinson (in studio - not on TV :-)

594 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:52:22pm

#592 Occasional Reader

LOL! The Elle thing is probably the best so far.

595 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:54:24pm

Elle MacPherson.

Yum.

Ever see Sirens?

596 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:55:07pm

#586 Occasional Reader

I think reaganite should repeat the story he told at the DC gathering...

Umm, well since I'm still in the military I'll be a little vague...

I was working another USSS detail in Georgia once for a certain ex-president. I was walking across the event site back to where my team-mate was. A certain ex-president's wife told me to bus a table. I informed her as politely as I could that I didn't work for her and turned to leave. She grabbed me by the shoulder, spun me around, and started screaming at me. I again informed her (less politely) that I didn't work for her. I then turned around and left.

Anyway, the detail ended and I returned home. The following morning I walked into my office. My flight chief was standing there looking pissed and told me to report to the Wing commander's office.

I walked in, stood at attention, saluted while reporting "sir, Sergeant *** reports as ordered". He very sternly said to me "sign this". I looked down and saw a formal letter of reprimand. It was for the events of the day before. So I signed it, slid it back across his desk. He added his signature to it, crumpled it up and threw it into the trash can. He stood up and said "I consider this matter closed" as he reached across to shake my hand.

597 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:57:38pm

#592 Occasional Reader

Yeah, but neither Charles nor reaganite have seen Jerry Stiller in his underwear. I mean, picture it: this man, in his underwear.

But I have seen Madeline Albright in her house coat. *shivering*

598 nonic  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:58:30pm

#23

Amen.

599 grayp  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 12:59:59pm

Ok, 'cuz I've lived in the DC area for so long I know lots of people whose names would be familiar. But I like this story the best because it makes me look like the idiot I sometimes am.

Back in the '80s I was flying home for Christmas from DC to Pittsburgh. Awful weather. We finally landed and the pilot told us it would be awhile before we could get to the gate, so just get up and stretch our legs. So we did. And the gentleman from the seat in front of me started a conversation. He hadn't seen a winter like this since Britian in WWII. Well, he looked really familiar. And my dad had served in Britain during the war, and I'm thinking, "Jeez, is this one of Dad's friends that I just can't place. He's gonna kill me if I don't pull it up." We had a great conversation about the war, his experiences and my dad's.

We were in the last two rows of the plane, so he exited just in front of me when we finally debarked. And the cabin attendents just beamed as he approached. They said "Merry Christmas, Mr. Stewart!"

Yep. Jimmy Stewart.

I'm an idiot.

600 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:00:28pm

#596 reaganite

LOL!

Is there anyone who isn't sure who the pres (more particularly, the first lady) in question is? :-)

601 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:01:20pm

"House coat"? Is that like "birth suit"?

602 logger phd  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:02:13pm

#599 grayp

To think, there was an age when actors were unashamed about having fought in a war for America. . . .

603 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:03:04pm

#600 Colt

Is there anyone who isn't sure who the pres (more particularly, the first lady) in question is? :-)

Shhh!

604 jinnderella  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:03:11pm

Well, I can beat you all! My trainer's roomate in college DATED Trent Reznor...LOL, she said 'he was very, um, dark'!

605 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:05:17pm

SoCalJustice

Thanks for the update. I see my congressman voted yea, so I'll send him a letter of thanks. Positive reinforcement works on dogs and children, so maybe it works for pinkos, too.

606 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:06:47pm

#601 Colt

"House coat"? Is that like "birth suit"?

You are one sick puppy! ;-Þ

607 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:10:39pm

#660 Colt:

Is there anyone who isn't sure who the pres (more particularly, the first lady) in question is? :-)

I am as shocked as you are at reaganite's mistreatment at the hands of Mamie Eisenhower.

BTW, it's confirmed that I'll be in London from July 8th through about the 11th or 12th. If you want to grab a pint, e-mail me how to reach you.

608 jinnderella  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:10:49pm

#603 Reaganite: I got a beautiful signed picture of George and Barbara Bush in the mail today, from my dad, 'cause he is a charter member of the grassroots club. I thought of your brother and my sister, and how either one of them would have torn it up and flushed it...sigh, it is hard to believe she and I share the same genetic material.
BTW, this is my new nic! The lamp-rubbing jokes are over, let the pumpkin jokes begin!!!

609 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:11:35pm

#606 reaganite

Ah, housecoat. Yeah, that's gross...

610 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:13:12pm

#607 Occasional Reader

I'll check my schedule ;-)

It should be possible - maybe get some other UK-based LGFers to come along?

611 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:14:10pm

Since we're OT:

I once (in 1979) saw Paul Newman working as a crew member on a Formula Ford car (probably a friend's car)at the SCCA regionals, at the old Great Southwest International Airport. He was just another one of the guys, and nobody bothered him. Pretty cool.

612 nonic  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:14:25pm

#50 Canuckistan

Pretty freaking twisted, eh?

Right. And look how you turned out.

Proves it to me.

613 J.D.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:15:02pm

I also saw Nixon. And Clinton.

614 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:17:58pm

#611 Ward Cleaver

Very cool.

615 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:18:05pm

#608 jinnderella

I thought of your brother and my sister, and how either one of them would have torn it up and flushed it...

Just to be fair, I have a L³ brother and 2 L² brothers and a L² sister. Only the L³ brother would have torn it up. My sister read my accounts of Reagan's funeral and asked me to send it to the newspapers. They're all loony, most of them aren't way off the deep end yet.

My neighbor works at the terrorist cell on Fort Bragg. While I was working at the Whitehouse I got a signed pic of W for his son. I had to get it mailed because I was leaving. It went to his office. His CO called him into the office and asked him why he was getting mail from the Whitehouse!

616 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:21:19pm

Semi-OT:

An LLL I've been debating via email says that after November, there's a bill that will probably pass restarting the draft. Any truth in that?

I just got my Selective Service papers back :-)

617 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:23:51pm

#616 Colt

Any truth in that?

None.

618 J.D.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:23:52pm

Colt

NO.

619 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:24:00pm

#616 Colt

email says that after November, there's a bill that will probably pass restarting the draft.

None that I'm aware of. It was an idea bounced around by a few LLL Congressmen in the hopes of scaring the voters away from supporting the Iraq war. Nothing more then that, that I'm aware of.

620 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:27:23pm

Good.

621 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:29:23pm

Had my picture taken with - Stargell, Tekulve, Moreno, Pena.

Also - Greene :-), Bradshaw, Ham, Harris, and Blount

And was at a cookout at my Uncles with Jaromir Jagr.

Black and Gold baby !!!

622 Thousand Sons  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:31:27pm

#596 reaganite

As an old boss of mine once said:

"Son, you didnt eff up. When your name appears on a report on the desk of the President, then you'll really know you effed up!" ;-)

He was a real deal SEAL, Vietnam era. I stood a full head taller than him, outweighed him by about 50 lbs, and he could still put chills in my spine with just a look. But he was one of the coolest guys I've known.

623 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:31:28pm

#620 Colt

With your birthday being today, that would put you past the eligible age limit anyhow, wouldn't it?

624 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:31:56pm

#621 Right Wing Conspirator:

I went to the Hockey Hall of Fame when I was in Onterrible last week. Freaking amazing. Even got to kss the cup, but the pic didn't come out. About as close as I'll ever get to my boyhood dream...

625 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:34:24pm

#623 RWC

LOL! I can imagine the look on the Embassy official's face if I tried that excuse as to why I didn't sign up as soon as I could.

626 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:34:25pm

#624 Cam

That's pretty sweet. But, with some of those stories involving the Cup, I don't know if my lips would have been anywhere near it.

*ahh, hell. Yeah they would have.

627 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:35:10pm

#622 Thousand Sons
My SF brother when he was on the Teams was called the "token liberal"! But he is one scary individual. Soldier's medal winner and all that. But trust me, he is a liberal!

"Son, you didnt eff up. When your name appears on a report on the desk of the President, then you'll really know you effed up!" ;-)

Well, my name surely at least reached the desk of his wife!

628 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:38:20pm

#626 Right Wing Conspirator:

It was pretty cool. They've got everything - Gretzky's first skates & jersey, etc. The little blurb on the Great One's exhibit mentions in his first year, as a six year old playing against ten year olds, he only scored one goal. He made up for it the next year by scoring 364.

629 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:39:16pm

celebrity close-ups...
i once ran into - and spent about half an hour talking with - bill clinton. actually he seemed like a very nice guy... just came across as "we went to high school together" sort of person.
oh well.

630 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:39:54pm

reaganite (#625),

Well, my name surely at least reached the desk of his wife!

An honor you can be proud of. ;-)

631 lizzy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:42:01pm

awww, hi hevreh!
i missed you all!

632 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:42:47pm

Anyone got anything better than "I'm going to London to meet a guy I met on the Internet" to tell my parents?

633 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:43:02pm

i also bumped into jason robards at a gallery in washington, dc. the gallery guards were all, like "go get his autograph" so i went over, and he seemed pretty grumpy, and didn't seem at all pleased...
but then, i didn't have a pen either (i'm not into autographs except on large-sum checks)

634 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:43:51pm

#630 Geepers

An honor you can be proud of. ;-)

I am!

I'm hoping for a similar honor with a certain candidate...

635 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:44:30pm

#631 lizzy
Hi lizzy! Real good to see you!

636 justme3  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:44:46pm

Regarding celeb-encounters.
I lived in LA from 1983 to 1992.

I remember sitting in a booth at the rainbow with Axle Rose and my girlfriend when she triggered Axle into tossing his drink at her...this was before he was anybody..I always thought he was a jerk.
I was friends with Poison and other bands (Faster pussycat, La Guns..) right before they made it big...I was one of the first with a camcorder and have quite the home movie collection of those guys.
The Eighties RULE..

Makes me sad thinking of that time, about how innocent we were of world problems.

I know way to much now :(

637 Smit  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:45:35pm

Colt - Occasional Reader, I'm up for an LGF meetup then.

638 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:45:54pm

#632 Colt

Anyone got anything better than "I'm going to London to meet a guy I met on the Internet" to tell my parents?

Tell him he's a barrister representing you in a kiddy porn scam!

639 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:46:17pm

597 reaganite
was it madelaine albright shivering, or was it ~you~ shivering at the SIGHT of her?
inquiring minds want to know!

640 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:47:57pm

Should have read "them not "him".

641 nonic  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:48:30pm

#125 Rootless Cosmo

Ok, now we've got 4 beheadings, the bridge incident and other cold-blooded murders from these animals. Sooner or later, they're going to provoke a response from outside our government and our military. Then what happens? Do cab drivers start disappearing in Brooklyn? Do fires start breaking out in mosques? The responses from the hometown of the most recent American victim of beheading is telling: ordinary folk are starting to view all Muslims as the enemy.

I think that's part of the plan. The terrorists have already admitted they want to incite civil war in Iraq. I think at least one factor in the beheadings and the PUBLISHING of them on the internet is IN ORDER to stir up racial/religious hatred, which will create a kind of civil war in this country.

642 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:48:49pm

#639 sgt tom

was it madelaine albright shivering, or was it ~you~ shivering at the SIGHT of her?

Dude, that's so wrong, on so many levels...

643 Geepers  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:49:35pm

Hi lizzy! How've ya been? Hope everything is fine.

644 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:49:43pm

#637 Smit

Cool. Click here.

#638 reaganite

LOL!

Seriously, though, what would your reaction be if your son (similar age to me, IIRC) said the same thing (not the kiddy pr0n thing ;-)?

645 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:50:31pm

#632 Colt

I dunno if this helps, but I was in the same predicament that you will find yourself. Last week in Chicago, I just told my traveling companions that I was going to meet some family. Telling them "I'm goin' to meet people I met on the internet" is just a little too creepy.

Moral of story: Lie. :P

646 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:50:58pm

#641 nonic

I think at least one factor in the beheadings and the PUBLISHING of them on the internet is IN ORDER to stir up racial/religious hatred, which will create a kind of civil war in this country.

Not just here (I assume you are in the US) but everywhere.

647 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:51:15pm

642 reaganite
sorry, couldn't help myself.
been a long day, and it's hard to catch up on a zillion-post long thread... just tryin' to get a smile in

648 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:53:15pm

#644 Colt

Seriously, though, what would your reaction be if your son (similar age to me, IIRC) said the same thing (not the kiddy pr0n thing ;-)?

Hell be 18 in December. Honestly, I'd go with you/him. You and my son are both very rational, but you never know with all the preadators out there.

Maybe suggest you'll bring a friend or two with you?

649 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:53:24pm

#645 RIP Ford

The problem is I have no excuse for going to London.

650 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:54:01pm

#631 lizzy

Hi lizzy :-)

Hope all is well over there. Missed ya.

651 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:54:30pm

One day, I promise, I'll use preview!

He'll, not hell!

652 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:56:26pm

#648 reaganite

My parents? No frickin' way :-p

They wouldn't be able to come anyway (I'd rather not get in to that).

As for a friend, I guess it's possible. But see #645 - it's kinda embarrassing. There's a stigma about it.

653 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:57:00pm

#649 Colt:

Exactly how old are you? If I add up your LGF birthdays, I come up with 6,712.

654 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:59:23pm

#649 Colt

You don't know anyone there?
How 'bout a trip to the British Museum? See some sites, stroll the Embankment, visit the Globe and revel in everything British for the weekend...

Sorry, probably no help. Perhaps, be honest? I dunno, my friends would have laughed their asses off at me.
:P

655 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 1:59:52pm

re: several comments regarding the restarting of the draft.
not going to happen. the military doesn't need it or want it. it takes a lot of time and money to train and teach a soldier. it takes a year or more to make a decent basic soldier... and you don't get that with 2-year hitch draftees. all you end up with is cannon fodder.

656 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:00:02pm

#652 Colt
I've met OR in person on more than one occasion, he's okay, well aside from being a lawyer! RIP Ford may have a point.

657 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:00:03pm

#653 Cam

LOL!

658 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:02:29pm

#653 Cam

I'm 18.

#654 RIP Ford

They'd smell a rat with the tourist thing.

I dunno, my friends would have laughed their asses off at me.

That's the problem.

659 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:02:35pm

Colt
don't skip the victoria and albert museum. trust me.

660 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:03:06pm
The problem is I have no excuse for going to London.

Just to ride a pony?

661 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:03:42pm

#656 reaganite

Should we tell Colt about that one thing OR does ? Or do you think that may scare him ?

:-P

662 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:05:31pm

#656 reaganite

I don't doubt that. I bet he's a blast compared to the British barristers I've worked with.

My parents are fairly strict, and more than a little protective. Any time I go out (evenings), they always remind me that they'll come get me any time, and wait up for me. The reaction to the truth would be pretty extreme.

Which sucks.

663 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:07:13pm

#659 sgt tom

I've been before. I'm not an art fan...

#660 Renna

LOL!

664 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:07:29pm

Colt:

Tell the 'rents you're going to score some smack and you've heard that London has the best heroin around. Then, in the shocked silence, gently let them down and tell them it's a political meet-up. They'll be so thrilled that their son isn't a horse-head that they won't mind a bit.

665 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:07:58pm

ot: foxnews broadcasting pictures of murdered iraqi policeman
things are going to get really hectic until the 4th of july passes. and since my best 4th of july involved a display of howitzers, i'm hoping we celebrate that way in iraq this year, taking out the bozos.

666 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:08:35pm

#658 Colt

This is a long shot, and not one I would recommend, but I've used it when I did not want my parents knowing where I was. (I really was a good kid I tell you!)

Tell them you'll be somewhere else for the weekend. I was "supposed" to be at a friends place in another city (Houston), but drove to Montreal instead. Come to think of it, I used that to go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans and the beach in Florida. It's not that I didn't want them to know, I just did not want to explain things to them. Talk about lazy. Really, I was a good kid! But it risky and easy to get caught after the fact. I kept blabbing about places I shouldn't have been to in front of them...

I'm probably, no help.

667 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:10:45pm

#664 Cam

LOL

I've used that too. Told them I went to jail for the weekend, and then blurted that I'd only gone to Oklahoma. (Similar, though they may be) It takes some of the pressure off.

668 sgt tom  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:10:59pm

663 colt
ok well never mind.

669 Mar  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:12:32pm

Re Famous persons encounters; I shook Bob Hopes hand on Robson Street in a drunken stupour and once stepped on Jimmy Pages foot at the Queen E.


As for the video, shocking in so many ways. My kids are 3 and 7 and I can't imagine them viewing a snuff film and then thinking it was so cool they'd mimick it afterwards.

We watched Pride, with the taking lions, the other night and they both went hysterical when the bad lion killed the cubs.

670 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:12:36pm

#661 Right Wing Conspirator

Should we tell Colt about that one thing OR does ? Or do you think that may scare him ?

Dude! You promised not to say anything!

671 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:13:13pm

#664 Cam

LOL! Or maybe, "I'm joining the Marines" instead of the heroin.

#666 RIP Ford

Too risky. They'd probably call whoever I'd be staying with.

This is like trying to get out of Alcatraz. Pisses me off.

672 Colt  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:14:02pm

What does OR do? :-)

673 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:14:57pm

#671 Colt

LOL
Understood. Perhaps, the LGFers could come to you? (A real long shot)

674 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:15:02pm

So now if anyone pops in here - not only are we islamophobic racist hatemongers, but we also teach folks to lie to their parents.

Great.

675 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:17:05pm

#674 Right Wing Conspirator

So now if anyone pops in here - not only are we islamophobic racist hatemongers, but we also teach folks to lie to their parents.

Don't forget, we insinuate things about others...
:-Þ

676 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:21:01pm

#674 Right Wing Conspirator

LOL

Really, I was a good kid. I think I never fooled the parental units, anyway. I just had this traveling bug.

:P

677 Donna V.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:22:01pm

I saw Teddy Kennedy trying to hail an imaginary cab in Georgetown at 2 a.m. one Saturday night back in about '87 or so. His arm was up and he was calling "taxi." It was on Q St. There were no cabs driving past at the moment. Teddy looked pretty plotzed.

I also saw Ariana Huffington at Nora Restaurant. If I had known she'd turn LLL, I'd have thrown an organic tomato at her:-)

And I saw Bush I and Barbara go past in a limo one evening after I left work. Bush waved at me - well, he waved at about 15 of us standing on the corner of 12th and Penn. NW.

That was the only big shot I spotted in a limo in DC. Most of the time (95%) of the time, the windows are tinted and you can't look in.

Most of my contacts with fame are the "6 Degree of Separation" sort of thing. An ex-roommate worked in Heinz's office and met the missus a number of times, so I'm only 3 degrees of separation away from John F'ing Kerry. That's rather disturbing.

678 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:23:39pm

#670 reaganite

Hey, I didn't make it to the meetup in time to witness it. I am going by what the other tables around us said. i am surprised that you all didn't get kicked out.

#672 Colt

Nothing...nothing at all...honest...

Seriously, nothing. :-)


Colt - just let your folks read through one of the drinking threads,

oh, ummm.

Maybe not.

679 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:27:06pm

Colt, just a suggestion, but my husband was a bit concerned when I mentioned going to a lgf meetup ("Haven't you heard about all the axe murderers on the internet, honey?") I invited him to come along. He declined, but my offer soothed him somehow. Don't know how that affects the axe-murderousness of those I'm meeting, but he DID feel better about it.

680 Ann  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:29:50pm

Colt:

Any University-searching option here?

681 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:30:14pm

Colt,

Get a newspaper with listings of what is going on in London on that date, find something in it that you actually would like to do, then say you are going to go do whatever it is (see a play, hear an author read, whatever).

Go to London, do whatever you told your parents you were gonna do, then go meet your LGF buds. No lies necessary.

When my daughter was 17 and wanted to go driving across Texas with some girl she only knew from the internet, I of course said no way. But if she'd been sneaky enough to look up some educational activity in Dallas, I might have fallen for it.

682 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:31:16pm

#679 Renna

Actually, grayp brought her hubby along on the last one and there were no axe murders that took place. You just asking your hubby to come along, even though he didn't, and there are no axe-murders at that meet up either.

Hmmm, I am going to have to do a little research here but there seems to be something to this...

I'll report when I know more...


interesting...

683 Donna V.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:33:43pm

Oh, and a friend of mine had a small part in Serial Mom. He played the perv in the bathroom.

He said Kathleen Turner was nice in a bossy big sister sort of way.

684 Renna  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:34:56pm

research-smesearch.

You've got two data points, you've got your proof.

685 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:35:34pm

#682 Right Wing Conspirator

Promethea brougth her hubby along as well. He left after a while, when I guess, he decided we were harmless.

686 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:36:55pm

#685 RIP Ford

he decided we were harmless.

Silly man!

687 brakes  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:39:51pm

I haven't seen many famous people, but my husband has seen quite a few. When he was stationed in Germany many years ago, he saw Marlo Thomas and David Niven at a casino in Baden Baden. Once he was served a drink by Clint Eastwood in a bar he owned in (I think) Carmel. About 10 years ago we saw Martin Sheen, who came to our parish for a Latin Mass when he was filming in Portland. About that long ago my husband and daughter saw Jay Leno when he was at the Portland Saturday market, where they had a booth. My husband talked to him about Hemmings motor news.

As for me, I usually go around unaware of everything around me with my head in the clouds:-P

688 Cornholio  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:41:09pm

Contrast the video to the typical American parent who never lets their kids play with toy guns, because even pretend guns are "bad"

Which kids will grow up with a more realistic view of how the world works?

689 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:42:43pm

#686 reaganite

LOL

Funny thing was, Promethea, Donna V and I were the last one's at the bar.

Alas, Iowahawk left very early and evariste was a no show. I had a great time.

690 RIP Ford  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:43:28pm

PINMF

I had a great time, anyway!

691 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:45:43pm

#688 Cornholio

Contrast the video to the typical American parent who never lets their kids play with toy guns, because even pretend guns are "bad"

You just described my mother...

#689 RIP Ford

Alas, Iowahawk left very early and evariste was a no show. I had a great time.

OR and RWC were the last of the DC meet-up. My team member and I had an O-dark early show time the next day. As it was, we stayed way too late!

692 grayp  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:52:41pm

#682 RWC

Actually, grayp brought her hubby along on the last one and there were no axe murders that took place.

(Jeez, this is the longest freakin' thread...)

Yes, of course I did. My husband didn't know LGF from candle wax except that I talked about it alot. To say that I wanted to go downtown to meet in person people I only knew from the net, and not ask him to be a part of it is not something I would ever understand.

He had a great time. His only problem was his hearing, as it is at most social situations. When he was in the Army, some asswipe fired the main tank gun while he was standing next to it and over the years, his hearing has degraded. Even with hearing aids, he has difficulty.
But RWC, even tho he couldn't hear us, he knew we were sharing phone photos of our pups.

693 Mar  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:54:55pm

Colt,

I used to tell my parents I was going to the movies.

694 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 2:58:58pm

#692 grayp

I didn't know about that. Heck, you two should have been closer to the middle then.

BTW, which one of you were waiting for the puppy hotel to open the next morning ;-)

695 andrew  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:02:38pm

Man, I just read this whole thread...you guys are the best! I love LGF!

696 Cam  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:05:42pm

Back again.

In school me and two buddies told the folks we were going camping so we could drive to Buffalo for a Dead show. The jug was up when Trevor used his Dad's cellphone to phone home while we were en route to the border. Trevor failed to hang up the phone properly and his Dad sat there listening to us congratulating ourselves on having pulled the wool over their eyes.

Really good show, though...

697 D-Fens  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:05:53pm

Hi Andrew, I hear you, I love these folks too. LGF gets me through many a day in my cubicle.

698 grayp  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:09:24pm

#694 RWC

I didn't know about that

Ha! By the time I met him, he was comfortable with being bald and I was comfortable with - never mind.
But as our physical conditions change with age and injury, we cope with it in our own way. It is my place to respect his comfort level with what he has to deal with and speak up or keep my mouth shut accordingly.

Of cource, that doesn't preclude me, in the confines of our home, to yell, ARE YOU WEARING THE FUCKING HEARING AIDS OR DO I HAVE TO RAISE MY FUCKING VOICE?

I don't know how I lucked out. I love this man more than anything. And he loves me back.

699 CrusaderGirl  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:11:29pm

#677 Donna V

Few LGFers can say they actually sat down at the same table with Al Gore and engaged a conversation with him. He was giving a keynote speech on internet and libraries or something like that, and I was actually given the honor of sitting at a table with him. It was either 1994 or 95.

He seemed normal back then, but, then again, if I knew then what I know now, I'd be looking for the signs of LLL syndrome.

I had the honor of almost being driven over by Paul Simon as he sped too quickly out of the Senate parking lot. It was only as I was giving him the finger that I realized it was that Senator guy with the bow-tie.

I lived off that event for several years: "Hey, do you know who I flipped the bird to?"

700 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:14:36pm

#698 grayp

Of cource, that doesn't preclude me, in the confines of our home, to yell, ARE YOU WEARING THE FUCKING HEARING AIDS OR DO I HAVE TO RAISE MY FUCKING VOICE?

LOL...got it :-)

701 Donna V.  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:31:56pm

RIP Ford: I had a good time too. I enjoyed meeting all of you:-)

My sister knows I'm obsessed with politics, so she wasn't surprised I was going down to Chicago to meet people I "met" on a political website. Her fear was that I'd get down there and meet 1 person with 20 different personalities.

"Hi, Donna V., I'm iowahawk. I'm also Promethea, sharona, and RIP Ford, but only on Tuesdays and Saturdays. On Wednesday, I'm andthenblammo! and on Christmas, Rosh Hashana, and Groundhog Day I'm tupsox,...,"

Crusadergirl: Well, I guess Al had reason to be pleasant then, in the days before hanging chads. He believed he would be the next occupant of the White House.

You flipped off Paul Simon! LOL!! That's great!! (Now if it had been Zell Miller or Bill Frist, I would have felt bad,..,:-)

702 CrusaderGirl  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:41:11pm

#701 Donna V.

About Simon: that was the funniest, most satisfying double-take I ever took in my life

A distant second is the time I realized I was getting my copy of Black Hawk Down signed by a guy (Mark Bowden) who used to haunt the office of my former manager at the Pentagon. I kept on thinking: Where have I seen this guy before? And I swear to this day he looked at me and thought the same thing (not the "guy" part). After he signed my book, I walked away but looked back only to share a puzzled double-take with him

703 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 3:52:25pm

#702 CrusaderGirl
I know this isn't quite the same thing but here goes.

After he signed my book, I walked away but looked back only to share a puzzled double-take with him

During Desert Storm I had an interesting run-in with some 1st SF Group Sergeant Major. As soon as my team had a chance we ran away! (not pertinent to the story, but we were up to no good). Anyway, we knew there was an Army EOD unit within a mile of where we were trying to hide so we went there. We introduced ourselves and our situation so of course they hid us. Their Top and I kept looking at each other sharing that same puzzled look you had with Mark Bowden. Turns out, 10 years earlier he was my class leader in EOD school!

BTW, any chance you can get me an autographed copy of Bravo 2 0?

704 reaganite  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 4:17:37pm

Shit, wrong author.

705 Baldy  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 4:44:41pm

OT: Felons Paid in Voter Registration Drive (AP/Yahoo)

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - A Democratic group crucial to John Kerry (news - web sites)'s presidential campaign has paid felons — some convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary — to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in at least three election swing states. America Coming Together, contending that convicted criminals deserve a second chance in society, employs felons as voter canvassers in major metropolitan areas in Missouri, Florida, Ohio and perhaps in other states among the 17 it is targeting in its drive. Some lived in halfway houses, and at least four returned to prison

I agree many felons deserve a second chance. But should they send rapists & burglars to people's homes???

706 PostalWorker  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 5:21:56pm

[But should they send rapists & burglars to people's homes??? ]

He'll be sending Gitmo detainees around next month. ;)

707 coastygirl  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:29:53pm

I forgot this one!
My dad used to be involved with the local Irish community about 20 years ago. Anyway, he now sees Baghdad Jim McD at the grocery store quite a bit. So BJM's behind Dad in the checkout line once, and he's like "I KNOW you" and Dad's like "I don't think so" and BJM's like "Are you sure we don't know each other?" and my dad's like"We wouldn't know each other, I'm a Republican."
LOL!
I know this sounds like a 13 year old's writing.

708 Beagle  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 6:47:13pm

#591 Sir Lurksalot

I may have misspelled his name. But, today is a day of cranial celebration not to be wasted on spell checks. I celebrate with naps and medication. Have fun everyone!

Burger, Berger, Bildabooger, I don't much care.

My greatest public figure meeting: (I did not want to brag) (Ha, that's a lie)

I got Ronald Reagan to sign Phil Crane's book "Surrender in Panama" back in 1979 as a volunteer -- yelling "Future President Reagan, can I get your autograph."

*Score one for the 14 year old true believer*

Secret Service: remember, I had a pen, and you looked a bit concerned. 1979 Sarasota, Florida -- Van Wesel Performing Arts Center

Yes, this Reagan thing could really work out for me. Ugh, I need a shower.

He had written the intro. I wasn't, like, showing him The Little Red Book: "Ronnie, check this out..."

709 CareyOnly  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:15:40pm

>:(

and

:'(

710 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:30:15pm

I haven't met many famous people, but one I did meet outranks all the Hollywoodists and rock-stars put together: Winston "Blood, Sweat, and Tears" Churchill himself.

I was seven years old when he came to visit our school one winter day in 1956.
Our teacher had told us that he was the greatest man in the world, that we should behave accordingly, and that the direst possible consequences would ensue if we didn't.

When he arrived, I thought he seemed very old and quite red. I had seen only black and white images of him and was surprised, I suppose, that he was not monochromatic in person. I was also surprised that he didn't have his famous bowler hat.
He shook my hand and asked my name, I told him, then blurted out that my dad had been in the RAF during the war. Mr. Churchill asked me his name, and repeated it as though he were trying to be sure of remembering. He also asked which squadron my dad had been with. I told him and he said that he had visited there during the war and been most impressed. He named the squadron's station corrrectly, in any case, even though I had not mentioned it.

He went on down the line and asked questions of everyone. Before he left, he repeated my father's name and unit again, and I really think he did care and remember.

711 Billy Hank  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:54:46pm

Entertaining thread - more than 700. My quickies -

March 1989 - Just transferred to DC and getting settled in. Brought my girl friend up from TX. Went to a restaurant called Peking Gourmet. Headwaiter said he couldn't seat us. I protested. Back and forth. He agreed to seat us. As we sat down, everyone in the room started applauding. Funny, I thought, first time I'd ever seen people applauding someone for outlasting a headwaiter. Turned around and it was Bush 41 and Barbara and guests coming into the room with SS and press pack in tow. He stopped and chatted with a lot of people. I got a quick hand shake. I remember he was wearing a navy and orange striped tie. Looked very UVA. The party then went to the far side of the room and proceeded to order and eat. The press pack of about 12 was squeezed into a little alcove big enough for 4. They looked so silly as they stared at the Bush table from out of their little cave.

As we left, GF said, "Gee Mister. You sure know how to show a girl a good time. First time in DC and you take me out to dinner with the President."

Let's see, for some other thread, I've got the story about John Wayne giving me, as quite a young lad, a tour of his boat and showed off his kachina collection. Then there's sharing my last cigarette with Julie Christie at the 3 AM tag end of a party off Mullholland. Most dangerous was almost getting run over by Mike Tyson during an early morning walk along the Boardwalk in Atlantic City.

712 Bordm  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 7:58:17pm

#677 Donna V.

I met John F. Kennedy about an hour before he was shot, I was in the second grade. He patted me on the head and asked me if I was going to become a priest. I was introduced to him because I have 5 aunts who are nuns and an uncle who is a priest. I was about 15 feet from Robert Kennedy while he was campaigning in Nebraska about a month before he was shot. Kinda makes me wish I’d had the opportunity to hug Teddy in 1963 instead of meeting/seeing his brothers in 63 and 68.

713 Zonie  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:06:22pm

My Swedish grandparents would be horrified. I'm horrified anyway, but... just dam*.

714 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:38:28pm

God knows I'm a day late and a dollar short with this, but I remember playing oppressed urban minority who only chose stealing as a means to feed his family and racist opressors enforcing the system that keeps hard working folks down. Well, that would be the LLL definition of Cops & Robbers.

#31 What a surprise! The cameraman is only a few feet away from the 'insurgent'. Aside from the voice-over, the people in the background seem a little surprised that the infidels would return fire. Can this be one of Al-Sadr's hard-luck losers?

715 skyrocket  Wed, Jun 23, 2004 10:45:28pm

UPDATE:

Seems the word got out and this post is now removed and replaced with some BS about how Americans are killing innocents (cough) in Fallujah. (In English...)

The post disappears five second after I clicked on the home page of this website and then went back to the thread page.

716 BRUTUS  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 12:40:23am

131 Canuckistan

Your anger is misplaced. Brooklyn cab drivers had nothing to do with the bridge incident or beheadings in Iraq.

Really? What if that cab driver, like you, refused to condem those beheadings. What if that cab driver excused and justified those beheadings, as you seem to do? Those who defend the morally indefensible, when the result of the morally indefensible is the torture and death of our compatriots, are the enemy. They can be seen as traitors, and some people may in fact see them as such.

Freedom of speech only goes so far. When we are at war with terrorists who attempt to kill us for our faith and/or nationality, that freedom does not extend to promoting those very terrorists. In other words, don't wrap yourself up in flags of freedom and expect those flags to shield you from reprisals to your venom.

717 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 1:09:32am

Shiplord Kirel

I bow before your celebrity story!!!

Churchill???

/we are not worthy, we are not worthy.

Wow!

718 Nannette  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 2:42:55am

They've changed the post that Charles put the link to. It now says:

It've come to our knowledge that there's been some discussions regarding this post on an australian webblogg(?). The post post on the blogg and some of the comments indicates that Islam is some kind of obscene deathcult cutting peoples head off.

It's very unfair if pepople believe that all muslims are bloody killers. The mediaexposure regarding those beheadingincidents have been tremendous. Before and after the killing of Paul Johsson all americans prayed and cried for him but in the meantime children and women in Iraq where salughtered by coalition missiles. The day after the killing of Mr. Johnsson over 22 civilians where killed in Faluja.

Who cries for them? The american media?

Its terrible that people have to die and espcially in this cruel and brutal way but we have to get this into the right perspecitve because lots of innocent iraq women and children have died before him.

719 Sir Lurksalot  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 3:13:42am

#708 Beagle

I wasn't being a pedantic spellchecker. (I think you spelled it right)

Just making a Homer Simpson reference/joke.

720 Uhller Isshaytan  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 3:16:17am

Just playing?

Or TRAINING?

721 David2  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 4:34:04am

OT

Addendum to #73 (Saddam's letter home)

"Hello Mother, Hello Father, Here I am,
In Camp Fartwada...yada, yada"

722 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 5:18:56am

Just stepped back into this thread, and I see that Colt saw right through my plan to lure him to a secluded spot in London so I could harvest his kidneys for sale on the black market. Damn.

Colt (if you're still here)--I thought you lived in London? Anyway, that's where I'm headed (for a wedding), so an LGF London meetup on July 9th or 11th would be ideal.

723 EW1(SG)  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 7:39:37am

#597 reaganite:

But I have seen Madeline Albright in her house coat.

I am SO glad I left the office before you posted that: I'm not sure I could have survived Beltway traffic while having that image in mind.

#632 Colt: You're going to a seminar given by an internationally renowned attorney who specializes in foreign relations: mostly with young women in far off lands, but hey.

#645 RIP Ford:

Telling them "I'm goin' to meet people I met on the internet" is just a little too creepy.

Hey, I resemble that remark! (But seriously, I know OR is going to rub this in my face: You've met more lizards, but I know INTERNATIONAL lizards!")

#678 Right Wing Conspirator:

Hey, I didn't make it to the meetup in time to witness it. I am going by what the other tables around us said. i am surprised that you all didn't get kicked out.

Dude, I am not now or ever going to reveal the criteria by which I choose door prize winners, suffice it to say that OR has not won one yet.

#692 grayp: Criminantley! When I told you to yell louder you should have replied that you don't hear any better than I do!

724 piglet  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 9:06:33am
Ahhh Werner Von Braun... I aim for the stars but sometimes hit London

(Harvard Professor who became a comedian...I forget his name said it should have been Von Braun's autobiography)


Very funny, but I the real piglet here, did not post it!

-piglet

725 Nannette  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 9:33:47am

#720

They're training of course...

726 Nannette  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 9:35:59am

#722 occasional reader

If you are going to have a meet in London, could someone please let me know... a meet in Golders Green would be good for anyone who's kosher and likes freshly made bagels! :-p

727 Shaka Ndaw  Thu, Jun 24, 2004 12:38:46pm

My best memories are musicians. I sat on the floor of a bar in South Bend with Frank Zappa and spoke with him at length about Igor Stravinski. Very nice man, although by this time (1980 or 1981) his deep voice couldn't go all night on stage so he had hired a guy who sounded exactly like him to help out with singing.

Years later I met Woody Herman (no one here knows him, I'm sure) and got what I believe was his last autograph (he was very sick and was signing a will -- no it's not like that MD who forced George Harrison to autograph a bunch of stuff -- he was genuinely surprised that someone had a copy of his band's recording of the Ebony Concerto) for a friend of mine.

Recently Christopher Hogwood while I was singing at a Mozart concert, and last week Marvin Hamlisch (very nice man).

And I was once Robert Plant's guest at a concert at Merriweather Post Pavilion outside DC, although I didn't meet the guy. This is the one my teenage sons think is the coolest.

728 bos  Fri, Jun 25, 2004 12:21:25am

What's a troll, someone who makes a good point disagreeing and so freaks you all out?


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