I. just. can't. stand. it.

Know thy enemy.

Religion of Peace

Someone needs to send in the Dept. of Social Services to remove these children from their abusive homes and place them with loving families who will teach them core values such as "murder is wrong", "your god doesn't really want you to kill innocent people", and "it's better to get an education than to be a loser who hates people who have excelled in life".

OT

Good news on Fallujah from the Financial Times ?

[Link: news.ft.com...]

The UN: Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil

Did I mention that the Palestinians are savages?

The EU: Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil

That's funny. When I was ten, I learned reading and comprehension, math, science and other skills that I still carry with me today in earning a living that doesn't require me to kill anyone of any religion. Where did my parents go wrong in sending me to such a radical school?

That sounds just like the Deathcult™ summer camps for children with Arafat clapping and cheering.

I've been wondering if there is another border on this planet that separates two such disparate attitudes and peoples.

KerryEdwards.com: For Sale on eBay?

"It's the only fair thing to do," said Kerry Edwards, an Illinois man who has owned the domain name kerryedwards.com for years. Edwards, who originally paid $25 for the site and hoped to pass it to his son, Kerry Edwards Jr. one day, is now looking to sell the site for "five figures" since John Kerry's recent announcement of John Edwards as a running mate. The Kerry campaign balked at Edwards' offer for the site, according to a recent report in the Chicago Sun-Times. Now Mr. Edwards is considering an eBay auction.

Hitler Youth, meet your 21st Century parallel.

Dick Morris has a great op-ed today:

MR. SHARON, BUILD THIS WALL

#13 Beagle

More true than we may initialy suspect...

Learn the Truth about Islam

The Difference Between Israelis and Palestinians:

[Link: www.campkimama.org...]

where the only lesson taught is how to kill Israelis

Our welfare dollars at work.

Emma Hurd is extremely brave, I mean, I know it wouldn't help their cause to kidnap or kill a female journalist but the risk is always there.

They are also made to do an obstacle course, crawling under barbed wire and leaping through hoops of fire while their instructors fire live bullets overhead.

Shocking, and if any of these kids die, no doubt the death is attributed to Israel.

OT, from Robert Reich in The American Prospect:

the Bush campaign wants religious groups to enter the political fray -- with costs offset by the federal government. The reason, of course, is that the ground troops of the Bush campaign are America's religious right -- mostly right-wing evangelical Protestant churches, but also right-wing Southern Baptists, anti-abortion Catholics, and even a smattering of extreme pro-Israeli and anti-Arab Jews. For George W. Bush, firing up the troops means firing up "friendly" right-wing congregations...

the left just gets worse and worse...

What's a Palastinian?

Oh, that's right...poor chaps. They are so , so sweet. Who would want to hurt anyone raising their kids to be such outstanding individuals!?

/sarcasm off

( Did I do that right? :) )

owl

Is this run by Pop Warner?

What's with Sky News?

No self respecting news org would run a story like that these days . . . Palis in a bad light . . . ridiculous.

#19 Ken

Robert Reich uses the same arguments in his book "Reason: Why Liberals will win". He basically laments anyone that is Religious that is also into politics. He might as well call them irrelevangelicals. But if we put his comments into perspective he can only get away with saying this because the evangelicals don't fight back against anti-religious bigotry.

Could anyone avow a politcal stance that told people to ignore the black vote because it's 95% Democrat? They be slammed for racism.

What's a Palastinian?

I begin to type that Pale..., but then I hit backspace and enter the correct spelling - D E A T H C U L T™.

Such lovely people. Let's give them a state!

I've almost become inured to stories of Palestinian depravity. Every time you think it can't get any worse, it does. That's why the only solution is to fence them off and let them rot. But then I also think of those kids. As a parent it just breaks my heart to see that kind of abuse of helpless children.

I really think the children's advocacy NGOs need to wake up and see this abuse for what it is.

They are also made to do an obstacle course, crawling under barbed wire and leaping through hoops of fire

Leaping through hoops of fire? I can think of only two places where that skill can come in handy. Circus and hell.

This terrorist day care center has been brought to you by a grant from the Ford Foundation.

Did people check out the slideshow?

These 'kids' are lost already.

The trick is to neutralize them before they do any damage to human beings.

The proper name of these young paleostinians is Hitler Jugend.

Maybe someone here remembers the photos of the ten-twelve years old German boys dressed as soldiers for the defense of Berlin...

Sadness and rage...

I failed to mention earlier that Fox News carried this story early this morning with some great video of the hoop jumping (btw, AW, great insight). It gave me some good focus at prayer services.

Why you folks just can't understand the Palestinians' bloody hatred of Jews and desire to kill them all as merely an alternate life style, different from those you exalt in the West but, by gum and by golly, just as good, is beyond me.

That many of our "elites" actually believe something close to this is more tragedy than farce by now. But as the German poet Heinrich Heine said more than 100 years ago: "Where people believe absurdities, they will commit atrocities."

Again. Still. Always?

Sorry, can't resist...

"Hello mudda, Hello Fadda

Here I am at, Camp Intifada

Bombs we're building, belts we're making

And we may get to kill some Jews if it stops raining..."

Is it too late to get Madison to switch their sister-cityhood to this lovely Hamlet ?

Maybe we can get it in before the final vote.

It would be so nice to see these little kiddies in Packers, or UofW unies.

Finish building the security fence and cut these sick freaks off from Israel forever. It's the only way.

#19 Ken

Denying the existence of principled intellectual opposition is a standard LLL tactic. Yawn. If they can't strawman, they can't debate. I support Bush despite his occasional pandering to those groups.

My foreign policy obsession is equivalent to their religious feelings. John Kerry is a foreign policy antichrist. To strain a stupid analogy, the UN is my "Satan." Until the LLL media comes to grips with their sacred cow (the UN) being corrupt, don't expect much in the way of debate.

OT: Three Cheers for PFC Hammer

We treat our cats better than they treat their children. Then again, his fondness for felines was one of the Prophet's (Paedophilia Be Upon Him) few redeeming characteristics.

Can we not just send them back to Egypt and Jordan now? Wall them off and let them stew in their self-created murderous depravity. Sorry but if you twist your own children into inhumane monsters, you forfeit any right to be treated humanely.

Just compare this kiddie murder camp with eyesoftheworld's link in #16.

One of the best articles on the Palestinian issue I've ever read. Just in case any of you missed it the last time I posted it:

Why Don't I Care About the Palestinians?

The brave, noble Iraqi 'resistance' strikes again!

Assassins try to kill Iraq's Olympic head

Assassins tried to kill the head of Iraq's Olympic committee in an ambush of his convoy in the middle of Baghdad, the head of the committee said Tuesday.

Insurgents fired rocket propelled grenades at the convoy, damaging his bodyguards' car and injuring one of the guards, he said.

"I am surprised at this attack because the Olympic Committee has nothing to do with politics. This committee belongs to all Iraqis, regardless of their political, religious or ethnic origins," al-Hijeya said.

You know that they are only keeping the children off the streets, because of all crime and corruption. Besides this will help give back to the community and help these young boys turn into men by giving them a skill. Besides we have the Boy Scouts of America!

(sarcasm!)

Beagle (#13)

Hitler Youth, meet your 21st Century parallel.

That's the truth. How people fail to see this and instead feel sympathy for the Palestinians is something I will never understand.

#37 V the K

We treat our cats better than they treat their children.

Don't forget dogs, tropical fish, pythons, birds, ferrets, hamsters, but maybe not all gerbils.

A young Palestinian must be swift as a greyhound, as tough as leather, and as hard as Krupp's steel.

Channeling A. Hitler

This is from March 2003, but it perfectly illustrates the stark contrast between Israeli culture and that of their neighbours.

Israeli teens prepare for humanitarian mission to India

Ben-Yehuda will be part of a select group of 16 youths from across Israel heading to India to teach basic medical treatments to their peers. The group of specially-trained young Israelis, aged 16-18 years old, will teach their Indian counterparts the basics of first aid, how to maintain personal hygiene and the importance of health awareness. The trip will be the second journey to India by young Israelis taking place under the auspices of the Israeli Medical Cadet organization ('Pirkei Refuah'in Hebrew).

"My goal for the trip to be able to pass on my knowledge of first aid to the teenagers in India and I hope that the Indian teens will be able to make use of it in the future," says Ben-Yehuda. "I also want to expose them to Israeli culture and people, so maybe when they're older, they'll visit us. They'll realize that there are good things happening in Israel."

I can't wait till these kids grow-up and show the world that Islam means peace.

The boys "graduate" at the end of their training, receiving a special certificate.

There are no words for this depravity.

Tman 33

ROFL!

Z'babe:

The boys "graduate" at the end of their training, receiving a special certificate.

Look at the bright side.

At least those at the head of the class get to be killed by the IDF.

Jeez, you have to respect their culture, ya know, it's a Paleo thang! This is how the arabs educate their young to cope with the complew modern world, you racist imperialist!
/L³ Filter Off

BTW, did any of you know that John Kerry was in Vietnam?

Hi all,

Speaking as an veteran Israeli/American father of five school-aged children (5th & 11th graders) in Jerusalem, all learning at average state religious schools, I can state for a fact (and am willing to back it up offline for doubters) that they receive a fair, compassionate view of Palestinian children their age, so unlike the appaling SKY report.

Remember the glass display cases and the feltboards along the walls in the halls and back of the classrooms (well, at least some of us) we grew up in? My kids have those collage-y, tinfoil and tempra paint pictures of co-existence with Palestinians and Israeli Arabs, dialogue and sharing tacked on them. Can you smell the Lepages glue yet?

I only mention this point because there is NO earthly parallel to the hideous toxicity Palestinian youth imbibe daily from birth.

Here's a

Received this note from a friend of mine in Ann Arbor, MI. It seems that a number of protesters have been showing up outside a local grocery chain called "Hiller's" because it is a Jewish owned business and supports Israel. If you live in the metro-Detroit area, please try to make it.

The Jewish Federation has declared “Shop at Hiller’s Day” on Sunday, July
18 from 2-3 p.m.For more than three months, Hiller’s Market (located in
Arborland - Washtenaw Ave, near I-23) and its owner, Jim Hiller, have been attacked by picketers
calling on community members to boycott the supermarket. From 2:00 P.M. to
3:00 P.M. every Sunday afternoon, protesters compare Zionism to racism and
excoriate Mr. Hiller. His crime? Carrying Israeli products and donating the
profits these products generate to social services and victims of terror in
Israel.We applaud his support of Israel’s economy and her farmers and
producers. We are proud to see Israeli products alongside imports from more
than 35 other countries. And we honor Hiller’s decision to provide
humanitarian aid to Israeli citizens. Let these picketers know what you
think of their tactics. Thank Hiller’s for its courageous stance. Join the
community on July 18 (and beyond) in supporting a local Jewish merchant
under attack. If you can’t make it from 2-3, come before or come after —
it’s your support that counts.

Maine's Michael, it's hard to believe that people do this to their children. It's obscene. Can't we kill Arafat today? Please.

21 joel2
Is this run by Pop Warner?

Joel 2, Actually it's quite sad that these kids are wasting their youth by throwing rocks, etc. Some of these kids have pretty good arms and should be playing baseball like normal kids their age.

#43 --- Hell, Beagle, we treat our roadkill better than they treat their children.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Interesting food for thought. Will too many boys make China and India aggressive militarily?

Can't we kill Arafat today? Please.

What? And offend Bush and especially the State Dept, not to mention the British Foreign Office?

Are you mad? ;)

Maine's Michael

Are you mad? ;)

Well, yes ;-)

I was just saying the other day that, with summer now upon us, the Pali Death Cult Summer Camps must be in full swing. Sure enough...
With all this, is there any wonder why a civilized society wants to wall itself away from this twisted, degenerate cult of savages? Where is UNICEF now?

Hello mulla. Hello fatwa.
Here I am at Camp Intifada.
Camp is very entertaining.
And today we had some special sniper training.

I went hiking to Ramallah.
Arafat gave me half a dollah.
He said "be martyrs, don't be traitors..
"Or we'll hang you like we do collaborators."

Amazing how groups like the LRA and the Tamil Tigers are condemed for using child soldiers, but the Pali's get a free ride. The article itself was neutral on the morality of the subject, but they probably consider it a manifestation of the oppressiveness of the Iraelis that children would want to fight.

Hepcat,

Wish I shared your optimism on the subject, but I think the word "sad" does not do the situation justice. Maybe "EVIL" or "SATANIC", but "sad"?

Don't tell 'em about this school over at

[Link: forums.gawaher.com...]

or all those kiddies will rush the school to join while, of course, deny there is such a thing set up for such a purpose.

If I recall correctly, Sky news is part of the conglomerate owned by Rupert Murdock, which also includes Fox. Which explains why those are the only 2 TV networks that would carry this story.

Ah, time for the yearly excursion to the Deathcult™ Summer Camp, where bright eyed, sweet boys and girls under age 18 (yes, we are open to both sexes here), can learn the martial arts. Children will be exposed to gunfire, weapons training including breaking down AK-47/74s, captured enemy arms, and learn the latest in fashion coordination for infiltrating the Zionist positions. Our highest achievers will learn how to spot areas frequented by Zionists, plant bombs, and detonate them from a safe distance. Others will learn how to wear bomb vests with the greatest aplomb.

Special courses have been arranged for this year's camp session including Bombmaking 101 by Imoud 'One Armed Bandit' Abu Bigmess and Wall Uululation 305, which will be taught by a very special guest (identity will remain secret until camp time).

Will too many boys make China and India aggressive militarily?

Or give them a generation of global dominance in hairdressing and interior design.

#66

Will too many boys make China and India aggressive militarily? Or give them a generation of global dominance in hairdressing and interior design.

Either way, its a frightening prospect...the consequences could be dire.

Re Bubbaman's #53:

How pathetic that these morons target a friggin local grocery store. Is this the new tactic? Intimidating jewish business owners who don't get on board with the destruction of the jewish homeland and the murder of jewish children? A mob-imposed yellow star? I can't wait until they show up outside my office.

Hillers Market rocks, BTW, best quality food in metro Detroit where you don't have to get a second mortgage to buy a good steak. You suburban Detroiters know what I'm talking about.

Send a supportive message to Jim Hiller!

Hillers

Either way, its a frightening prospect...the consequences could be dire.

Unless you're a rice queen with a uniform fetish, in which case you win either way.

Hello Mudda, Hello fadda,
Here I am in Camp Intifada
Camp is really very exciting
And we learned some tricky ways to do jew-fighting.

We went playing in the ocean,
In our wetsuits, poison potion,
Arafat gave us, to do his bidding,
Killing jews is really fun and that's not kidding!

Little Abduli, he's Yasser's darling,
At the jews, he's always snarling
But come sundown, Yasser summons,
To come over and don't forget a box of WetOnes!

Well at least they are learing the valuable life lesson of jumping through a hoop of fire.

___

Zbaby #42:

How people fail to see this and instead feel sympathy for the Palestinians is something I will never understand.

The majority understand and that is why they feign sympathy for the Palestinians. Afterall, Hitler did not work alone. I would suggest that those who sympathize with the poor palestinians really don't like Jews very much (and than includes many Jews).

Further, there are those who have been misguided by an evil media, who you guessed it, hates Jews (and America).

Finally, all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

OT (not really):

Hi, all - sory I haven't been around lately.

Please join in forwarding the message below to the following three organizations, under the heading:

"The Building of the Israeli Fence"

It couldn't hoit.

ecu@un.org - United Nations
civis@europarl.eu.int - EU Parliament
info@curia.eu.int - EU Court of Justice

Message:
When Israel builds a fence to keep out terrorists, the UN and EU are up in arms because it makes it difficult for terrorists to kill more Jews.

When terrorists shoot (point blank!) an 8-month-pregnant Jewish woman and her 4 little girls, there is absolute silence from your organizations.

If you think your indifference goes unnoticed, count the number of messages you will receive world-wide in the next 48 to 72 hours under this heading.

Will too many boys make China and India aggressive militarily?

Or give them a generation of global dominance in hairdressing and interior design.

On a vaguely related note: I read in the WaPo's free subway handout this morning that the BBC is launching a copycat version of a show that originally aired on U.S. television [!].

But it gets better...

In a Coals-to-Newcastle twist, the show in question is Queer Eye.

A round-up of world opinion in the WaPo on El Blobbo's movie. With the exception of The Who's axeman, Pete Townsend, (who rightly calls Moore a bully), the consensus seems to be that Moore is unfairly blaming the Saudis when everyone knows that it's really the fault of (drumroll, please) THE JEWS.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Every once in a while, life hands you a straight line that can be attacked so many ways you don't know where to begin.

From the NY Post

Teresa Heinz Kerry surprised and worried some of the 1,000 guests at Friday morning's Women for Kerry breakfast when she looked out at the crowd and said, "We had better get you women some birth control, there are so many of you here!"

So many angles:

1. The member of the elite frightened by the profligacy of the lower classes angle.

2. The wasting brith-control advice on a "Womyn's Group" angle.

3. The "Stop the Feminists from breeding for the aethetic future of humanity" angle.

4. The "Theresa stay off the crack-pipe before breakfast" angle.

Has there ever been a major culture/civilization in modern times that did things like this?

A couple of months ago I asked about Nazi Germany. To the best of my knowledge, the Hitler youth groups were not tought to do cold blooded murder. They may have been incited to it, but there was no role playing where young German kddies were trained to murder Jews in the streets.

#54 zulubaby

Can't we kill Arafat today? Please.

I would love to see that SOB dead. Now. But, I wonder if his death would really change things all that much.

Such evil...

Dave the...

What the fuck is the difference?

#76

The Hitlerjungen may not have been given instruction in how to become human time bombs, but like the Palestinian children, they were convinced of their own innate superiority. For the Nazis. this sense of superiority was premised on race; for the Palestinians it's based on religion. If the Nazi holy book had been The Koran instead of Mein Kampf, believe me, you would have seen a greater emphasis on "martyrdom".

#76 Dave the...:

there was no role playing where young German kddies were trained to murder Jews in the streets.

They didn't need role-playing. All they had to do was open a window and see examples every day of how to victimize Jews.

A must see: This outstanding cartoon by Gary Clement regarding The Fence.

[Link: mirror.media.canada.com...]

#76 Dave the...

Has there ever been a major culture/civilization in modern times that did things like this?

This question doesn't really apply here, since we can't consider the Jordyptians (or the rest of the Muslim world, for that matter) to be a "major culture/civilisation".

At least those at the head of the class get to be killed by the IDF.

Well I suppose that is one bright side. I actually laughed outloud.

Then I recalled, wasn't it Golda who said the cruelest thing the Arabs to us have done is force us to teach our sons and daughters to be killers?

Cute editorial cartoon in our local newspaper the Winnipeg Free Press. Sharon as the little dutch boy with his finger in a hole marked "IJC" in the dike marked as "security wall".

Thank you, Master of the Universe for providing Israel with an unprincipalled, tough, ruthless SOB like Sharon when she really needed one. (I think. I hope.)

Filed my police report today. I found out the idiot who rear ended me and totalled my car hadn't renewed his very expensive license (due to multiple speeding tickets) and he shouldn't have been driving. The company whose truck he was driving will be responsible for the costs Autopac incurs. It won't be enough to bankrupt the company (about $5000) but it will hurt them enough so they will sit up and take notice and likely fire him.

He is in SO much trouble with Autopac that he likely won't drive again for years and if he does he will be paying big big time in fees. It kind of makes me feel a bit better about my poor car. There is a purpose for everything and I now see myself as having taken this idiot off the street before he could kill a kid and destroy an innocent small business owner's livelihood and cost eight other employees their jobs.

The United Nations "Strongly condemns the recruitment and use of child soldiers by parties to armed conflict"...

so we should hear very soon from the Security Council...

any minute now...

I'm not even sure these kids are Palestinians. They're probably Zionists trying to make Arabs and Muslims look bad. Again. At least, that's what my good friend, Iranian Surpreme Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, tells me.

Ayatollah: U.S., Israel Support Iraq Insurgency

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's supreme leader on Tuesday accused U.S. and Israeli agents, not Muslims, of responsibility for the wave of beheadings and kidnappings in Iraq, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also described terrorism as a "loathsome, horrible" and said fighting it was "of great importance."

In comments made during a meeting with visiting Singaporean Prime Minister of Singapore Goh Chok Tong, Khamenei said: "We seriously suspect the agents of the Americans and Israelis in conducting such horrendous terrorist acts and cannot believe the people who kidnap Philippines nationals, for instance, or behead U.S. nationals are Muslims."

#76 Dave the . . .

No need for nazis to kill jews on the streets when they're already packed into boxcars, stripped naked and/or gassed.

The kids did get to loot the jews' houses for toys.

#72 The Dread Pirate Gryphon

Please join in forwarding the message below to the following three organizations...

Done.

OT--- re: too many boys
This type of occurance has actually happened in China before. When there got to be too many boys, society became unstable and the Emperor sent the lawless males to Taiwan... I think it was taiwan... to colonize it (it might have been Korea?).

Unfortunately this behaviour doesn't make females more valuable... women become commodities that fathers and families buy and sell. All because some groups think that males are more valuable. Such a waste!

# 72 Gryphon

Looks like they are getting slammed already... I went to email them (Court of Justice) and got a form letter email back... said got to their website and enter a note in their form... went there... entered my text... got this message...

ORA-01653: unable to extend table COLDFUSION.CGLOBAL by 13 in tablespace USERS

... looks like the table that holds the messages send to them is full and Oracle (must be an Oracle database behind the site) wouldn't let the web page increase the size of the table space.

(yea... ok... I'm a geek... programmer for the DOE)

Walter in Denver

Okay everyone, you can stop kicking me. I get your point.

I apologize if I came across as saying Nazi Germany wasn't as bad. I was just commenting on the tactics the two groups used.

This is old news people. Haven't any of you seen the movie "Relentless"??? They show the exact thing described here. "Relentless was out about a year ago...

However, how about IDF abuse of paleostinians??? Hmmm??? That seems off everyone's radar... This is not what a "light unto the nations" should be about. However, I understand the difficulties in war.

Charles, put up the picture with it?

#89 Walter L. Newton:

Heh heh heh. Thanks for the info!

#87 Victoria:

Thanks.

By the way... Here is what I sent them... compiled from

Let's Remove All Fences

Stop the Israel Fence?

You're complaining about the fence in Israel. Let's remove all fences in the world!

First, we start with the fence between Mexico and the USA. There is really no need for this fence since the millions of illegal Mexicans in the United States do not commit suicide bomb attacks in American restaurants. Write to mr. Bush and mr. Powell today. (Nobody told them about this fence.)

Then we continue with the fence between North and South Korea. A totally useless fence since the regimes of both countries share the same democratic values. Remind their representatives about this:

A fence in Europe! Could it be? But those people live in peace! The fence between Cyprus and the Turkish occupied territory should be removed at once, not only opened during daytime.

Another fence in Europe! In Northern Ireland this time, where thanks to wise British policy, Catholics and Protestants live in peace together for centuries. Let's get rid of this fence! Write to Mr. Blair. He does not know of these fences in Belfast!

This is a good fence, as friendly Dutch people know how to build. It is only meant to keep illegal immigrants from leaving the harbor area of Hoek van Holland. But the purpose is like any other fence: keep the wrong people out of your country.

Now, this is really bad, A fence between 2 major United Nations members, India and Pakistan.

Another one in Europe! Is it possible? In Solana's own country! Spain erected a barbed wired fence, guarded by soldiers, in Ceuta, on the border with Morocco, in order to keep illegal workers (without bombs) out of Spain.

Saudi Arabia, one of the most vocal critics in the Arab world of Israel's "security fence" in the West Bank, is quietly emulating the Israeli example by erecting a barrier along its porous border with Yemen. The barrier is part of a plan to erect what will be an electronic surveillance system along the length of the kingdom's frontiers - land, air and sea. The project, involving fencing and electronic detection equipment, has been in the planning stages for several years. It may cost up to $8.57bn (£4.58bn). Behind the plan is a deep-seated lack of trust in the Yemeni authorities' ability to arrest infiltrators before they make it into Saudi territory.

Residents living near the Botswana border with Zimbabwe have welcomed a move by the Botswana government to erect a 10-foot-high electrified fence to separate the two countries. Officially, the fence is to keep out livestock from Zimbabwe suspected of carrying foot-and-mouth disease but people are hoping it will block the path of thousands of illegal immigrants who are fleeing the political and economic turmoil in Zimbabwe.

And the UN is BUILDING A FENCE AROUND THEIR HEADQUARTERS.

Only after we get rid of all these fences, one could ask Israel not to build a fence that protects her citizens from Palestinian terrorists.

Walter in Denver

Andy in Agoura Hills- Applying a different standard of behavior to Jews compared to what you require of anyone else around Jews is a form of antiSemitism.

The checkpoint commander was removed from duty and a military investigation was launched.

When was the last time you heard of any Palestinian commander being removed from duty for treating Jews badly?

Israel is a light unto the nations sitting in the midst of a great terrible middle east darkness so take your double standard and FOAD with it.

#75 V the K - That's priceless. I think Theresa may have just surpassed Ariana Huffington and Barbara Streisand as the quintessential modern-day Marie Antoinette.

#76 Actually Dave you are wrong. Kids were brought to march in the parades and encouraged to do the opposite of acts of loving kindness to Jews. They would break a window of a Jewish shop and lure the owner into coming after them leading to waiting storm troopers. Play acting Jew hunts and ratting on your parents was also part of the State's educational program. And it worked, 15% of the grandchildren of these robots, who watched their cities burn and allied troops march into and occupy the Reich, are true believing Nazis.

These Pali kids will live with polluted brains and their grandchildren will be similarly deluded- just as the PA leadership wants.

In the 80s I used to tell people that Gorbachev's desire to re-energize the soviet system would fail: "if you want to be Stalin you must doStalin." The Palis want to be Hitler so they are doing Hitler.

The Pal people are the perfect embodiment of the totalitarian state- an ideology wrapped around the complete absence of the rule of law in complete denial of reality.

And I am glad of this. The Palestinians have defeated themselves and continue to inflict needless irreparable damage on themselves. The more they do so the better, the worse it is, the grimmer the defeat, the bigger the lesson they will learn.

OT - Incredible French Story:

The mother who pretended to have been attacked in a french train told the police she lied.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040713/85/3yqth.html
(the news is in french, I think it will soon be available in english versions of yahoo)

That's terrible news for French Jews, who're going to be told once more, that there is no antisemitism in France, except in the imagination of crazy people.
As for Arab media, I bet 10 bucks on the following title : "The proof of the Jewish Conspiracy".

#57 Tupsox: The answer is this will be a huge problem, sociobiologically speaking. To see the phenotype of a culture dominated by XY beings, just look at the ME, where the sex ratio is probably proportionate, but women have been held as cipher-nonentities for centuries. It is hard to get the accurate data out of China to project the theoretical population genetics equations over, say, the next 50 generations, but in my estimate, this is a huge problem.

It is interesting that this trend (preferring XY) contravenes the forces of natural selection currently in operation. Sykes, in his book "Adam's Curse", postulates that the Y chromosome is 'blanking out', losing active loci.

V the K/Furious J:

My man!!

This is lame!!!

[Link: www.worlds-apart.net...]

Dude, you are trying to pitch 1930's style Flash Gordon sci'fi in the 21st Century. That just ain't happening.

Let me give you a GOOD story line. Let's do an alternative history.

Lets say that the Loyalists, upon losing the Revolutionary War, moved to Africa and hooked up with the Boers. They formed a dictatorship that enslaved the Africans, then took in Southerners who fled after the Confederate loss in the Civil War. These people kick procede to conquer the world, enslaving everyone who don't escape the final nuclear war.

OOPS!!!

[Link: pages.prodigy.net...]

My bust!! Somebody beat me to it!!!

I'll keep working for ya', buddy!

Cochrane Collins

#89 Walter Newton

I just realized that I received the same error on their webpage...after getting an email bouncing my original back. Is there anything else I can do or should I wait a little while and try again?

Can someone-anyone-post a link to the UN putting up a security fence story? It is just too good to be true.

OT: Charles, the Virtual Tour: World Trade Center link is dead. It's been moved to here.

Judith:

Link

#97 Aytollah

The Palestinians have defeated themselves and continue to inflict needless irreparable damage on themselves.

Indeed, everything about their way of life and society sets them up for failure, to be penniless and powerless. The problem is that idjits of the world keep propping them up. And much of the time with MY money.

#101 Va Girl

No... The system admin of that site will have to notice the problem and then increase the table space for that table manually.

Maybe try again in a few hours... tomorrow... or...

/

Drop off a copy with that Muslim “think tank” in Springfield, Virginia. They'll handle it for ya...

/s off

Walter in Denver

OT

I caught a bit of this on C-SPAN in the wee hours this morning. A very facinating conference sponsed by the Hudson Institute. Great questions from the audience. When some important brass from the Pentagon's Saudi desk asked what can be done about the Wahabbists in the kingdom he got alot of blank stares. Chilling stuff.

Saudi Arabia in Crisis

video

#106 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

#77 Vic

Sure it would. Like the flying monkeys thanking Dorothy in Oz. That's what you DO to murderers. Imagine if someone took his money and put it to work for the people. But killing him would only be good. For sure.

There will never be an end to the Palestinian-Israel conflict until Saudia Arabia, Iran, etc. fall from despotic dictatorship into democracy.

I believe that Saudi Arabia uses the Palis to get at Israel. Nobody over there wants to integrate the Palis into their own country because they're so useful where they are.

Disposable people - the Palestinians. As the ME islamofascists who are pretending to be friendly to the US, like the Saudis, wring their hands about the Pali-Israel difficulties, they've helped create the hopeless group of suicide bombers, ready to do their bidding and rid the ME of Jews.

Not one chance in he77 that the Saudis or any other country will open its borders to the Palestinians. Not one chance. What, and give up their anti-Israel guerillas?

#53 Bubbaman

I'll try to make it over there -- unfortunately, after having grown up in the Ann Arbor area, I'm not surprised by the "protesters" actions.

Ugh.

Has the Detroit Jewish News been notified of this?

DON'T SCROLL - KEY POINT about semi-OT "IDF" Pal abuse!

#95 Judith 7/13/2004 10:29AM PST
Andy in Agoura Hills- Applying a different standard of behavior to Jews compared to what you require of anyone else around Jews is a form of antiSemitism.

Um, about that "Jews"--let's read *this* sentence again:

Israel Radio reported that the checkpoint commander was a Bedouin who was described by friends as suffering from severe mental problems.

Sounds self-explanatory now...

OT

Saudi's Bought Out of Loudoun County, VA

The Saudi's had bought quite a bit of land in Loudoun County, VA in hopes of building a 3500+ students islamic "academy". Fortunately, they were bought out...at a price of $13.5 million. A small price, IMHO, for the peace of mind this brings knowing they aren't going to be right down the road from me.

Unfortunately, Fairfax County is still stuck with the death cult followers. But as a resident of Loudoun County, I can't tell you how relieved I was.

#100 Cochrane Collins

Lets say that the Loyalists, upon losing the Revolutionary War, moved to Africa and hooked up with the Boers. They formed a dictatorship that enslaved the Africans, then took in Southerners who fled after the Confederate loss in the Civil War. These people kick procede to conquer the world, enslaving everyone who don't escape the final nuclear war.

This scenario makes absolutely no sense. Why would the Loyalists to the British Crown make common cause with a bunch of Franco-Dutch rebels AGAINST the British crown, who incidentally happened to exist about a century AFTER the First American revolutionary war.

And why would the Confederates from the Second American revolutionary war, with their emphasis on states' rights and constitutional government, help to establish a dictatorship with a group of people who their grandfather's fought to gain independence FROM?

The thing about *good* alt-hist sci-fi is that it explores believable storylines.

Thanks Cam. What a bunch of hypocrites.

#109 Plato

Like the flying monkeys thanking Dorothy in Oz.

Great analogy...LOL!

I guess my question comes from wondering if the pals are so filled with hate that they are beyond help. Especially the kids. "They" say that a child's personality is pretty much determined by his/her 5-7th birthday. The evil and hatred these children are exposed to is unbelievable.

Khamenei says America and Israel, not Muslims, behind beheadings and kidnappings in IraqWe didn’t do it. It isn’t our fault that we’re doing it. It shows that we’re winning that we’re doing it. We’ll bring you to your knees by doing it. And we didn’t do it.

LtWt-irrelevant. The snide comment about IDF abuse of Palestinians came from someone applying a double standard to the Jewish state. That Bedouin may not be a Jew but he is a member of the Jewish state's army.

Besides, you can't tell me there hasn'
t been one Jew anywhere in the entire disputed region who has never been abusive to a Palestinian. APplying a double standard the other way is also a form of antiSemitism. In Israel, the majority are Jews, including the criminal organisations, the drug dealers, the embezzlers, the thieves, the wife beaters and the prostitutes. The point of the Jewish state is to have a state that is good enough to be an example, not a state that is perfect. The perfect Jewish state awaits the Messiah (or his return if you're Christian).

#95 Judith

Did you read my fucking post, you ignoramus??? What does the last line say you dumb cow??? I'm not holding Israel to a different standard, just a MORAL one. How a mental case like the commander is in charge says a lot about the lack of oversight and testing by the IDF. First, keep your own house in order. If the IDF did that, there would not be any violations caught on tape. This is NOT what the IDF teaches. This commander makes it worse for Israel. So, STFU, STFD, and FOAD.

What a stellar time to finish lunch and get back to work. Bye, all.

The problem is that Israeli commander may be bad but he is more moral and concerned with pal rights then the entire consignment of pal commanders put together so what does that make them(the pal commanders)?

#118 Judith

The snide comment about IDF abuse of Palestinians came from someone applying a double standard to the Jewish state.

Snide comment??? Let's look again at the title of the article:

IDF accidentally captures soldiers' abuse of Palestinians on film

Hmmm, looks like the word abuse is used. I guess the reporter is being snide too.

FOAD

#76 Dave the...

Has there ever been a major culture/civilization in modern times that did things like this?

A couple of months ago I asked about Nazi Germany. To the best of my knowledge, the Hitler youth groups were not tought to do cold blooded murder. They may have been incited to it, but there was no role playing where young German kddies were trained to murder Jews in the streets.

No. In modern times civilized cultures have adapted to rules of warfare. Rules of war are not stupid, as they might sound with a first glance at the term. War seems like the cessation of all rules. But, the rules of war are actually based on a Golden Rule approach to POWs and civilians.

In the sense of rejecting the rules of war, the Nazis and splodeydupes are the same. In practice it's quite different. Although, the Nazis did carry out some suicide attacks at the end of WWII.

Most Hitler Youth were taught their absolute superiority and the "need" to wipe out the Jews. The next step was easy. There were many young teenagers (Hitler Youth) shelled to death by Allied soldiers simply tired of going house to house by the end of the war in Germany.

The Allies had family to think about also.

# 95 Judith:

Israel is a light unto the nations sitting in the midst of a great terrible middle east darkness so take your double standard and FOAD with it.

I'll second that.

#121 New York's Michael

The problem is that Israeli commander may be bad but he is more moral and

Hmmm, I always thought that you were a moral person or you weren't. So, if I broke 2 commandments and someone else broke 9 commandments, I would still be a moral person??? Or just moral relatively speaking. In which case I would be immoral. Get it???

What is it w/ Palis and flaming hoops?

If the self-detonation thing doesn't work out, they'll go into the circus instead?

' United Nations, , May. 7 (UPI) -- Work on improved security at U.N. World Headquarters began Friday ...'

'It will include ... a granite-based steel fence about 10 feet high and bollards, said a U.N. spokesman.'

'For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.

They conceive mischief, and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit.'
Job 15; 34-35

OT again

Speaking of Khamenei (my #117) did we cover this already? Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called for the armed forces to be boosted, as the Islamic republic unveiled a locally-developed fighter jet, the official news agency IRNA reported Friday.

Locally developed? Later they call it

a modified Northrup F-5.

part of efforts to replace an air force fleet largely comprised of US-made planes bought before the 1979 Islamic revolution.

And here

“In order to divert attention from Israel they turn to Iran, which has been merely working on its (peaceful nuclear) technology.”

why the parenthetical insertion by the writer? ;-)

Andy... Are you saying that until Isreal is absolutely perfect that it cannot point at others and say " hey that ain't right?"
Not being facetious... I wish to clarify your position

It seems that we have trolls, frolls, and now a new category . . .

the Unglued

A bit OT

The Khadrs (Canada's Bin-Laden-sympathsier family) are being investigated by the authorities for child abuse for sending their kids to terrorist camp and encouraging them to become homicide bombers.

I have no idea if anything will come of this though

Andy in Agoura Hills

At least said IDF commander isn't shooting pregnant palistinian women at point blank, and then following through with said woman's daughters,

you jackass.

#111 Bonnie:

Re Hiller's

I don't really know whether the Detroit area Jews know - that's why I made mention of it. If you have any connections with them, by all means forward the information.

The key difference is that abuse of Palestinians by Israelis is a cultural aberration, while murder and hatred of Israelis by Palestinians is a cultural norm. The simple presence of abuse on both sides does not make moral equivalence.

#119 Andy in Agoura Hills:

Whoa there. Judith was making an observation. Hardly reason to get so chippy.

#131 Shrike:

Thanks for that info. I was in Canada on a ski trip when these clowns came back there to exploit the health and welfare system. One of them is now in a wheelchair. The clowns welcoming them back were practically prostrating themselves before these scum.

in case some are unaware, some Kadr's got killed and one injured fighting FOR the talliban.

[Link: www.campsaginaw.com...]

And this is the type of SUMMER CAMP that Jewish children in the US (and others? maybe) go to. Camp Saginaw. Gee..I...dont recall learning how to KILL PEOPLE at Camp Saginaw.

Swimming, horseback riding, braiding some kind of crap into key chains, baseball, Dodgeball, canoeing, Trampline, and putting on a Show in the BARN., drinking "bug" juice... etc. Worst it got was lively COLOR WARS..HELLOOO

Are these people TOTALLY insane or what? YES..they are nuts.

10 year olds???(*)&_)*)(*+_)(*+)(*&)&^%(^%R)*& amp;*_)(+)(*)(_&^(%(*&(*()_

#135 Cam:

That wasn't chippy, that was bezerk.

Cam (#135):

He's just an asshole, here to stir up shit, nothing more. Ignore the troll and he'll fuck off (hopefully).

#138 john5z:

LOL. I was trying to think of a polite way to say that. I always got called "chippy" when I played hockey, and I don't think that they meant it in a polite way...

;-)

#70 Maines Mike: PERFECT. Have to keep that.

Andy in Agoura Hills-

1) I read your post.

2) I am not a cow.

3) I am not dumb. I can actually speak out on a lot of thing.

I'm not holding Israel to a different standard, just a MORAL one.

A different moral standard one from that you require of anyone else or why else bring up the "light unto the nations" comment? Hence my conclusion your different standard for Jews = "I am an antiSemite."

"

First, keep your own house in order.

while letting the terrorists do anything they damn well please. It is better for Jews to not have a single infraction of any moral code than for Jews to stop terrorists from gunning down pregnant women and babies in the street of Tel Aviv. Better that Jes should die than defend themselves. I only support Jews who are victims. Israel cannot defend herself until she is perfect. Until she is perfect, any terrorists can do anything to her and be justified in doing so."

Your double standard is showing again. Hence my conclusion, again, that your different standard for Jews = "I am an antiSemite."

So, STFU, STFD, and FOAD. c

I know you should but what should I?

Well, strictly from a selfish point of view, I'd like a world with more females and less males.

But I don't now how you achieve that, short of expensive spermatozoa filtering, or the lower tech Chinese/Indian way of ultrasound and abortion or infanticide. War tends to wipe out more men than women, although recent trends of the past century (bombing cities) suggests that won't work as well.

My suggestion, take full advantage of testosterone induced stupidity. Anybody recall about ten years ago one of Disney's film divisions put out a movie about a college football team that bore an uncanny resemblance to FSU? They re-edited the movie after release, because too many teenage boys were imitating a scene in the movie where the recruits proved their "manhood" by lying on the centerline of a dark country road late at night as cars whizzed by within inches of their heads.

We need more scenes like this, and more "Jackass" type movies, if we're going to try to make the world a better place with a better female to male ratio.

Okay, that was fun. However, I promise I will stop feeding the troll now.

On a lighter note, an OT item from this afternoon.

On the same day President Bush is holding a huge rally in the normally Democratic stronghold of Duluth, an activist judge unilaterally overturned Minnesota's conceal and carry law. The law has been in effect for a little over a year, and even liberal Attorney Gerneral Hatch says there have been no problems with the law.

The anti-2nd amendment rights crowd will vote for Kerry no matter what.

I used to live in Duluth and the union boy Dems are big into gun ownership. This may push many of them to actually think about who to vote for this year instead of just automatically voting Democrat.

Minnesota and Wisconsin are two big "battleground states" this year.

#133 Bubbaman

I found this too:

These same picketers have been demonstrating in front of an Ann Arbor synagogue on the Sabbath as well.

Henry Herskovitz, who leads the protesters, said what they do is a "very respectful, silent vigil."

"I wear my suit, I starch my shirt, wear a tie, attempt to be as respectful as possible at the synagogue," he said.

A retired mechanical engineer who considers Beth Israel "my synagogue" though he is not a member, Herskovitz said he began the protests because he was prohibited from sharing his message before the Beth Israel congregation.

He said he will stop only if Beth Israel holds weekly sessions on his list of topics or signs a draft resolution by Ann Arbor's Human Rights Commission to suspend military aid to Israel until it ends its occupation of Palestinian territories.

Rabbi Robert Dobrusin said the synagogue doesn't owe anyone a forum. [Thanks, Ann Arbor News, via the Brit Tzedek v'Shalom site.]

So, he doesn't belong to the synagogue, yet he wants them to hold a weekly forum on issues he's chosen. What a jerk.

I'll forward this on to my rabbi, and to the Detroit Jewish News.

I was thrilled that Fox News gave this story such big play this morning, including video. The more people see the utter depravity of these monsters, the better.

Still, I can't help but laugh at all the "Camp Intifada" parodies. You guys are brilliant.

Last week at an international convention in Istanbul President Bush spoke warmly of "THE GOOD CAUSE OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE" and how "THEY DESERVE A STATE OF THEIR OWN"

Maybe the CIA never told him about how they pursue their "GOOD CAUSE" ???

#144 Judith:

Got your email. I am in the middle of replying but it's taking me a while. Thanks.

OT: In case nobody has mentioned it, Orson Scott Card has a must read piece on Opinion Journal about the LLL media.

[Link: opinionjournal.com...]

#143 Ed

Seems kind of extreme. Couldn't you just take a scrapbooking class? ;-)

Wouldn't work on a worldwide scale, but I'm 95% certain the room would be XX heavy.

Flying Pig Moment:

UN blasts Arafat, says Palestinian Authority near collapse

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - The United Nations said that the Palestinian Authority was in danger of collapse, blasting Yasser Arafat in a hard-hitting statement that drew Palestinian anger and Israeli praise.

The UN's Middle East envoy, Terje Roed-Larsen, told the Security Council there was a "steadily emerging chaos" in Palestinian areas and that Arafat had shown a "lack of political will" to reform his Authority government.

"The paralysis of the Palestinian Authority has become abundantly clear, and the deterioration of law and order in Palestinian areas is steadily worsening," Roed-Larsen said in the monthly council briefing on the situation.

"This collapse of authority cannot be attributed only to the Israeli incursions and operations inside Palestinian towns. The Palestinian Authority is in deep distress and is in real danger of collapse," he said.

He said Arafat had given "only nominal and partial support" to Egyptian efforts to reform Palestinian security services, called for under the internationally backed "road map" for Middle East peace.

The statements drew a stinging rebuke from the Palestinian representative at the United Nations, Nasser al-Kidwa, who questioned whether Roed-Larsen was in fact speaking on behalf of the world body.

"We have serious problems with this statement. We're not even sure that it is reflective of the United Nations position," Kidwa told reporters.

"I would say that the Palestinian Authority has serious problems, but ... this is the direct result of Israeli policies and Israeli actions," he said.

In an unusual turn of events, Israel praised Roed-Larsen, who is a regular target of Israeli criticism over his statements on the conflict with the Palestinians.

"This is basically what we have been saying all along," deputy Israeli ambassador Arye Mekel said. "We welcome any time there is a statement that is realistic."

Roed-Larsen also took Israel to task for failing to freeze settlement building and for not yet carrying out Prime Minister Ariel Sharon 's proposal to withdraw Israeli troops and settlements from the Gaza Strip.

But the envoy also warned that the situation in Gaza was troubling.

"Clashes and showdowns between branches of the Palestinian security forces are now common in the Gaza Strip, where Palestinian Authority legal authority is receding fast in the face of the mountain power of arms, money and intimidation," he said.

#146 Bonnie:

What a jackass. He needs the NOFX Jewish handshake.

I had quite a long hat-tip drought going there. Thanks, Charles.

BTW, and not at all OT to the subject at hand, our State Department sometimes has a fine gift for understatement. From Monday's press briefing:

QUESTION: Richard, this morning, the Sharon government has invited Labor in to try and form a new unity government and that would necessitate new elections in the short run; and also with the Palestinian Authority, they've postpone their parliamentary elections for three months. Has this World Court ruling this past week caused this, your envisioned timetable to slip for 2005 for creation of a Palestinian state and such?

MR. BOUCHER: (Laughter.) No. (Laughter.) I think we'd already said well before any of these events occurred that it was—while we certainly hoped to make as much progress as possible, as quickly as possible, towards creation of the Palestinian state, that the continuation of the violence, the failure of the Palestinian Authority to take up its responsibilities and the continuing difficulties of making progress on negotiating—on negotiations had made it increasingly unlikely that we would be able to make the 2005 date.

Translation: Oh, yes, by all means, let's give them a State. But not yet. Likewise, there may yet be more than meets the eye to Sharon's disengagement plan. Does anyone outside of the Arab world and Iran really want the IDF out of Gaza?

Poker is not a pretty game to watch when each side knows that the other is bluffing.

Off topic (and excuse this if its been posted before):

The woman who claimed to have been attacked on the Paris Metro was fibbing, a la Twana Brawley.

Woman and boyfried admit to it

#134 Furious J

The key difference is that abuse of Palestinians by Israelis is a cultural aberration, while murder and hatred of Israelis by Palestinians is a cultural norm. The simple presence of abuse on both sides does not make moral equivalence.

Not just the cultural norm, its openly encouraged and reinforced by their leaders and media.

Here's the moral difference between the two sides:

In Israel, an Israeli was sentenced to jail time for shouting "Death to Arabs" at a soccer match.

Does the opposite hold true in the West Bank, Gaza, or the whole of the Arab world (and parts of Europe)?

Are Israeli children fed a steady diet of hatred in their pop culture? Are they taught that killing Arabs thru suicide attacks is Gods work?

We all know the answer to that...and if anyone thinks theres 'moral equivelancy', you're an idiot.

Plain and simple.

#137 Vickie

10 year olds???(*)&_)*)(*+_)(*+)(*&)&^%(^%R)*& amp; *_)(+)(*)(_&^(%(*&(*()_

Sure, but M@()*!@"�$!

Read a story recently on one of the reasons China is producing so much stuff right now...

With population control and the desire to have boys instead of girls, many Chinese families are having one boy, no girls. Ater a few years of this, you have a large young male population that can't get a date.

So they go to work in giant factories, living in dorms. It's not like they have a wife and kids to support or go home to.

Check out today's (13th July) day by day cartoon. Its really funny and on topic.

SoCalJustice (#152),

Thanks for the link.

The UN's Middle East envoy, Terje Roed-Larsen, told the Security Council there was a "steadily emerging chaos" in Palestinian areas and that Arafat had shown a "lack of political will" to reform his Authority government.

What the hell is Terje talking about? Arafat said he was going to have new elections, .. sometime,... possibly, ... if he felt like it.
What more could you ask?

SoCalJustice, I had to read that twice. I can't believe it.

Palestinian Authority near collapse

If only.

#152 SoCalJustice:

Any thoughts on how we can make the collapse "imminent"?

#155

Why in the hell would people do that??? There is enough hatred for Jews without the staging of goddman hoaxes.

What is she trying to prove?

A little more than halfway through my UT education, I thought to myself, as I sat in classrooms with about a five or ten to one male:female ratio and I couldn't get a date (and I thought it again in 1998 when I was laid off when oil crashed to $10/bbl) that if I had gone to nursing school instead, the ratio would have been reversed, and half of those men would have been gay, and I would have had a lot more fun in college.

But needles and vomit really gross me, so I don't know if I could have hacked it.

Regarding the collapse of the PA.
Sharon and Peres are presently negotiating forming a coalition gov't. If this happens, saving the PA will be Peres' first priority. Just like they did with the Oslo agreement. Don't hold your breath waiting for Arafat to leave the scene.

#152 SoCal Justice--

Great article. I had missed Rev. Danforth's appointment as our new UN Ambassador. He could work out real well there. A strong moral voice.

The point made about Gaza in the last paragraph that you quote from the article echoes my last point at #154.

:-)

#114

Check out the link I gave in the previous post, and then these links:

[Link: sites.inka.de...]

[Link: www.smstirling.com...]

Steven Stirling, a former Canadian "bouncer" (shades ofthe Jeopardy/Holiday Inn Express commercial) has made a ton of money on this scenario you find improbable. I noticedthese books were particularly poplular with military officers.

Cochrane Collins

So, he doesn't belong to the synagogue, yet he wants them to hold a weekly forum on issues he's chosen. What a jerk.

I'll bet he doesn't pay dues either. It is a fact of synagogue life that there is an inverse relationship between services demanded of a synagogue and the amount of complaining about the synagogue with the amount of money donated by the individual doing the demanding and complaining. Oh well, a good synagogue is like a village and no village is complete without its resident idiot, unfortunately.

#156 Thousand Sons (um, myself)

"We all know the answer to that...and if anyone thinks theres 'moral equivelancy', you're an idiot."

Let me rephrase that:

"We all know the answer to that...and if anyone thinks theres 'moral equivelancy', they're an idiot."

Man, that was bugging me! That sounds better.

PIMF

#168 Judith:

no village is complete without its resident idiot, unfortunately.

Shhh! Gordon hasn't made an appearance yet, so don't Beetlejuice him!

#163

Turns out she has a history of telling false stories to the police.

AG in HOuston

Same concept as that college student a few months ago who faked her own abduction.

Its called "mental illness".

#172 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

Wasn't there a college professor somewhere in the States a few years ago that vandalized her own car with racist messages and then claimed she did it "to raise awareness"? Sort of a victimhood Munchausen-by-proxy.

It brought tears to my eyes just thinking about how these people poison the hearts and souls of these children.This group the Popular Resistance Committee is the same gang that proudly boasted of murdering Talia Hatuel and her 4 beautiful little girls.I think these are the same kids that could be doing exactly the same thing in another 5 years or 10 years to another Israeli family and it makes me sick to my heart.I think the Israeli government should forcefully take these kids from their families and the sick,cruel enviornment their being raised in.They are being abused just as much as children who are beaten or burned with cigarettes.

Awesome, precedent-setting news!!!

US Court orders PA, PLO to pay for 1996 murders

In what may be a landmark blow to global terror financing, a federal judge in the US ordered the Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organization to pay $116m. to the family of a US citizen who was murdered in Israel eight years ago.

...This case has proven that individuals can join the fight against terrorism and that litigation can be successful against terrorist entities, the Ungars' attorney, David Strachman, said Monday.

The case was filed in 2000 under the Anti-Terrorism Act of 1991, which allows American victims of terrorist attacks overseas to seek damages in US courts, and Strachman praised the court "for recognizing, exactly, the purpose of the Anti-Terrorism Act, and that is to create an economic penalty for terrorism."

...Rejecting the PA's defense, Lagueux wrote, in an April decision, that the PA and PLO do not constitute a state as defined by the law of the United States and applicable to international law because both entities lack a defined territory with a permanent population controlled by a government that has the capacity to enter into foreign relations. He added that 'Palestine' is an amorphous entity whose status remains a question, and that most states recognizing 'Palestine' as a nation view it as a legitimate aspiration rather than an existing reality.

In Monday's decision, Lagueux upheld Martin's order to sanction the PA for its deliberate actions to delay the completion of this litigation, and he demanded that it cover nearly $12,000 of the Ungar's legal fees. The PLO was ordered to pay an additional $6,345 in legal fees.

#173 Cam:

That was this year.

There have been several cases where Israelis have lied about being abducted by terrorists and escaping.

OT: The head of the WHO is off to Sudan to assess the medical situation in Darfur. I could have saved him the trouble: the situation is really, really bad. According to this article 100,000 have been reported killed and more than 1.2 million have been displaced. Many are squatting in squalid refugee camps near Chad. (Which begs the question, when can we expect the UN to set up a bureacracy to make these people into perpetual refugees, like the Palestinians?)

#91 A in A H

The checkpoint commander was removed from duty and a military investigation was launched. "The IDF educates its soldiers to act according to high moral standards," the army said.

"The idea was to make a PR film, and instead we photographed abuse," a military source involved in the filming by the IDF Educations Corps told Maariv.

From your article. This is exactly how things happen in democratic nations with rule of law -- where, shit happens, the individuals making up that nation are not perfect. As for being a "light," eh, whatever.

#167 CC

I only said that *good* alt-hist relied upon believable premises. I didn't say that there wasn't money to be made even with not-so-good alt-hist.

There's no accounting for taste, right?

The woman who claimed to have been attacked on the Paris Metro was fibbing, a la Twana Brawley.

I've been waiting for this comparison. The woman was *not* Jewish. Neither, as far as we know, was she being used as a pawn by Jewish politicians to further their own political aspirations.

Unless her boyfriend turns out to be a Jew. Either way we're in for it I'm afraid.

The most amazing thing about the abuse story at the checkpoint is that the IDF released the film to public. They didn't have to do that. (in my opinion they shouldn't have done it). It was like someone at the IDF said wouldn't it be great if we had our own "abu graib" (sorry about the spelling).

Andy,

At least the IDF is holding an inquiry into the situation. You can't blanket the whole iDF as being bad because of one bad apple.

The thing was, a story about multiple Muslims terrorizing an innocent woman and child while the French did nothing, while apparently not true this time, was completely believable.

Ed

This goes beyond mental illness.

Every real attack on Jews will now be in question because of this ridiculous precedence.

Why stir the shit if there is no shit to stir???

Regarding the whole Asian "better to have a son" thing...I remember a few years back reading a story on the news about how miraculous it was that a little baby girl had somehow lived after falling onto the tracks after somehow slipping into the toilet system on the train. I couldn't have been the only one thinking "gee, you think someone intentionall flushed her down?"...but no one reported it that way. hmmm.

Anybody here from Illinois?

Now that is what I call a supercell!

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1645
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0139 PM CDT TUE JUL 13 2004

AREAS AFFECTED...NORTHERN IL

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 619...

VALID 131839Z - 131945Z

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE RAPIDLY DEVELOPING ON THE OUTFLOW FROM THE INTENSE TORNADIC SUPERCELL NOW MOVING SEWD THRU LA SALLE COUNTY. THESE NEW STORMS IN SRN LEE AND NRN BUREAU COUNTY ARE IN A VERY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT TO BECOME POTENTIALLY TORNADIC SUPERCELLS AS WELL. THE AIR MASS FEEDING THE STORMS FROM THE WEST IS EXTREMELY UNSTABLE WITH MLCAPES IN EXCESS OF 4000 J/KG ALONG WITH 30-40 KT OF DEEP LAYER SHEAR.

..HALES.. 07/13/2004

#180

true

#185 AG in Houston:

Exactly. Every time there is an actual attack there will be doubts about its veracity. These two dipshits have done more to aid anti-semitism than they can possibly imagine.

Ed Moran & AG in Houston:

Have we found out that there was no attack, or is it that it was recently revealed that the woman was not in fact Jewish, just mistaken to be so?

AS IF the fact that she wasn't Jewish made any difference - the suburbs of Paris have been taken over by Islamist thugs who care not for the safety of any woman or child.

Does bitter cold weather in South America mean higher orange juice and coffee prices?

In southern Brazil, where people were still enjoying beach weather a week ago, winter weather slammed the region on Sunday with the coldest temperatures in a decade.

Temperatures reached minus 6.8 degrees Celsius (19.8 degrees F) in the state of Rio Grande do Sul on Sunday, the lowest mark of the year, while the neighboring state of Santa Catarina was hit by the coldest temperature in 10 years, minus seven degrees (19.4 degrees F).

BTW, only 4 months ago that Brasilian states of Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina were struck by first ever known South Atlantic hurricane
Link to "Hurricane Catarina"

Cam #189

Everybody know Jews don't make up stories about being attacked. When Jews want to make a point, they simply organize the attack themselves. This according to Arafat.
Arafat: Israel masterminded Tel Aviv bombing

In addition, Arafat said, "We most not forget who stands behind them, as was in Beit Lid [1995 double suicide bombing attack that killed 21 for which Arafat repeatedly blames Israel]. Who stands behind Beit Lid, who murdered [former tourism minister Rechavam] Zeevi, who is behind Zeevi... [Israel] ...attempts to cover up what happened in Hague," according to statements broadcast on official PA television, as reported by Palestinian Media Watch.

When will this thing die?

OT,

I just read that our president is arrogant, maybe it's just the Texan in him, but I want everyone to realize without the re-election of George, we will be in dire danger with john, john.

Our President has done more for us by stepping up to the plate in combatting terroism, and if we give in to these LLL's and not re-elect him then we are in trouble,after all, they are surrendering all around the world, because of our President, he is on the offensive as it should be, (HE IS THE PRESIDENT!), he was elected to safeguard the United States and I for one think he's doing a great job, just IMHO.

#187 Ed Moran:

There are many of us LGF'ers in Chicago, myself included. They've been talking all day about storms, but a Supercell?

Now I'm scared ... my TV had better not fink out! I gotta watch Joe Torre and my AL Boyz kick some NL a$$!

#175 Saeel

From the article:

In a July 12 decision, District Court Judge Ronald Lagueux of Rhode Island upheld the findings of Magistrate David Martin

I love that guy. He's that rare federal judge who's gifted with an abundance of common sense. A Reagan appointee. Go figure.

re: #181, you are right, the comparison the the Twana Brawley incident wasn't on. I meant it rather as someone lying and spinning a believable scenario.

I lived a few miles away from Wappinger Falls and I couldn't believe the allegations when they happened, but then folks looked around and thought this kind of racist evil might be happening. Her allegations had a bad effect on that nice multiracial suburban neighborhood. I've been on the Paris Metro, the recent allegations were entirely believable as groups of thugs move car to car.

#192 amir:

Good God. Why, in the whole of the middle east, is there no John abu Hinkley bin Jr. with a thing for Jodie Foster and a desire for glory?

#192 amir

When will this thing die?

When the fish dies. Faster, please.

#197 cam

LOL.

Except he must be a better shot than Hinkley.

#185 AG in Houston

Why stir the shit if there is no shit to stir???

Why do the Palestinians put the kids behind the "gunmen"?

She could be an attention seeker, cashing in on a fairly common crime in France. Looking for bad attention. There have been plenty of swastikas painted or carved all over France.

#119 Andy in Agoura Hills

Have you tried decaf?

amir,

Why can't Arafat just die already?

Maine's Michael, LOL! It hasn't helped me any.

196...I know you weren't being malicious.

As far as the story being believable, hindsight being 20-20 and all, it is *not* a very believable story IMO. Swatstikas in marker on a pregnant women's belly...no injuries? I'm very curious about the role her boyfriend played and what her motives were. This crazy bitch is bad luck for Jews.

Despite having been drunk in northern Illinois, I've never been to Pontiac.

Shi'ite Hitting the Fan Near Pontiac!

Chicagoland looks ok, for now.

Livingston and McLean counties in path of confirmed tornado. If the tornado misses you, the almost hurricane force wind gusts and hail to the size of tennis balls may not.

As long as were talking about Arafat dying, I don't when he's going to die, but one day he will die (I hope to live and see that day). The question is how will he die. Everyone make a prediction, the one who comes closest to the truth wins the jackpot.

I'll start. I predict he'll die when he smells his own breath.
OK, that's pretty lame, but I know a lot of lgf'ers have a better sense of humor than me. Anyone want to join in.

#205 Ed Moran

Despite having been drunk in northern Illinois, I've never been to Pontiac.

I'm glad I clicked your link before posting...I thought you were referring to Pontiac, MI. Incidentally, I don't know what Pontiac, IL is like, but there is no reason to go to Pontiac, MI. (I've been drunk in Pontiac, MI, though...and also in N. IL)

#206 amir

Everyone make a prediction, the one who comes closest to the truth wins the jackpot.

I'm pessimistic. I predict the rat bastard will (be allowed to) live to die of natural causes.

207

I wouldn't exactly use the word drunk, but I've been buzzed in Ann Arbor. At a co-operative dorm house, popular with socialists and other substance abusers, called "Joint House".

Doesn't look like the "jumping through flaming hoops" routine is paying off very well. Take these two, for example. They have no idea what they're doing beyond the insane hatred they have been indoctrinated with.

#205 Ed Moran, #207 mickthemick

I've been drunk in the back of a Pontiac. Does that count?

#197 Cam: Well, for one thing movies are haraam.

#206 amir:

There's been a dead pool on Arafat for quite some time. As it is, Arafat will die on a Jewish holiday, for any day he dies will be declared a Jewish holiday.

That said, I'm picking the 17th of the month - any month. :)

#213 lawhawk

With our luck, he'll probably die on february 30.

amir,

It may just go back underground for a century or so, only to spring out later. Only to go on a blood-drinking frenzy! Um, Anne Rice novels. The movie with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt...

Anyway...

He looks the part.

210

As a Navy guy not familar with semi-automatic and automatic weapons (actually, I'm a civilian, having x-ferred to ComNavSix Pac in 1988), I see the guys have two similar M-16 looking weapons, except one guy seems to have barrel envy. Whatza diff?

#209 Ed Moran
As an 11-year resident of Ann Arbor, I can say that I was buzzed...er, um...for 11 years (hides head in shame). LOL about "Joint House". They used to have some great parties. They'd always have lots of beer, and they'd try to get bands to play. "Joint House" was more laid-back than the other co-ops @ u of Michigan. But, in general, the co-op scene in A2 is where you'll find the most LLL of the local LLL.

#211 Saeel

I've been drunk in the back of a Pontiac. Does that count?

Yes. Yes, it does.

Woodford County, Illinois, large destructive tornado on ground as reported by storm spotters. Locations threatened include ROANOKE.
BENSON.
PANOLA.
SECOR.
EL PASO.
KAPPA.

OT: This just made me laugh my ass off

One of the things was information that the Saudi Arabian government gave $7 billion to Saddam to build his bomb. And that happened during the Reagan-Bush administration because at that time, remember, we didn’t have an axis of evil. We had a unicycle of evil: Iran. - Greg Palast talking to Alex Jones

a "unicycle of evil"? That's hilarious.

[Link: www.michaelmoore.com...]

moore's defence

#205 Ed Moran:

Pontiac is the home of one of Illinois' largest prisons.

Look your doors, everyone!

lawhawk

I don't mean to be a troublemaker, but i just visited your weblog. You got some pretty anti-Israel advertisers there. Do you have any control over that?

#210 freedomsound
The two must be dead or captured, the AP will never publish their pictures without face cover when they are free to kill the photographer or reporter.

#178 scaramouche

I didn't know Pete Townsend was a doctor, but then again he has plenty of experience with pharmacuticals. ;)

Re the fwag liar? ‘Anti-Semite’ victim arrest clouds Chirac TV appearance

Paris woman admits she fabricated anti-Semitic attack

None of this mitigates in any way the vile Jew hate in bloody fwance...and pooor jacques has a problem in his TV crap because of it??? He cannot see beyong the Pinnochio nose of his..try to picture a nose-to-nose encounter between jacques and the faux fwag, john f*ing kerry! They could start a forest fire!

Speaking of the devil, OT: Kerry, Edwards May Not Vote on Marriage... to each other?

Cowards! Saying that, I have to wonder if kerry does actually have fwench blood, although it has been denied by the mayor of the town where his grandparents owned a vacation villa.

#206 amir

Arafish will get mistaken for a flounder and filleted.

#72

Messages away!!

Thanks for sharing.

#209 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

I've been drunk in Pontiac, MI; and buzzed AND drunk in Ann Arbor, MI -- though not recently...

Sheesh, Ed, we might've run in the same circles. :-)

#210 freedomsound

MADE IN THE USA!

The rifles. I think anyway. Sorry. Every, damn, thing, says "China."

I'm in Northern Illinois right now and there's not a cloud in the sky. What the hell is a super cell anyway?

Support Palestinian elementary education. Because a mine is a terrible thing to waste.

looks they executed one of the buglarian hostages.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

#20 owl
There is no such thing as "Palestinians." Just another group of violent Arab/Muslims who want to kill all the infidels and take over the world. Unfortunately most of the media will ignore this story of "Pali" child abuse. The press is run by apologists for Islamofacists. Of course if Americans or Israelis ran a camp of this kind it would be all over the media day and night. We're living in a crazy world!

OT
Just heard on Fox that the savage Islamofacists in Iraq just beheaded a Bulgarian hostage. When is the West going to wake up to the fact that we are in a religious war against Islam?

I thought Kerry was a WASP-French mix, with a Jewish grandfather who converted and changed his name to hide the fact. (I think Kerry is actually Chen, but I'm sure somebody can Google that for me, I'm supposedly working).

I know he has distant relatives in France.

OK< I Googled myself

The Democratic presidential candidate grew up in a world of elite private schools and vacations on a French estate, something most Americans could only dream about. His parents, a U.S. diplomat and a homemaker, turned to a wealthy, childless great-aunt, Clara Winthrop, to help pay the bills.

...

Before he married Teresa Heinz, the heir to the food empire, Kerry had little more than his annual Senate salary of $133,600 and a trust fund valued at $50,000 to $100,000. When his mother died in 2002, he inherited trusts with $300,000 to $1.5 million in assets — a pittance compared to his wife’s estimated $500 million.

Social prominence and affluence etched Kerry’s early life.

His mother, Rosemary Forbes, was a member of the Forbes shipping family and a descendent of John Winthrop, who helped found Boston in 1630. She was one of 11 children, which thinned the family fortune somewhat. Her father was an international businessman, and she spent her early years in France at the family’s estate.

The finances on the Kerry side of the family were more modest. Kerry’s grandfather, a Czech-Austrian Jew and brewery worker named Fritz Kohn, changed his name to Frederick A. Kerry in 1902 and emigrated to the United States. In 1921, apparently despondent over mounting debts, he shot himself in a restroom at Boston’s Copley Plaza Hotel.

I think the people comparing this Gaza’s Killing School to the Hitler's Youth are closest to the mark but for reasons which haven't been stated.

First of all, what I absolutely detest about militant Islam is the Nazi-like arrogance its members. Born goose-steppers, every one. I would take up a collection to provide every exploding car with this bumper sticker: QUESTION AUTHORITY.

Secondly, knowing what we now know about the Islamic fighting principle of dissimulation or lying, I think we can now conclude the meaning of the worldwide crusade to equate Israel with Naziism: It means just the opposite of the truth. Every quality of militant Islam is Naziism, save one -- They can't win a battle in the field. Imagine them trying to hold Normandy beach?

I just have one question. Just one little question:

Who are their kids going to hide behind?

#223 - unfortunately, I don't have control over those ads, which are apparently generated by google. I'll see if I can get the site administrator to change them. The advertising thing is a new item on the site, so they'll probably be receptive to changes.

231

David Simon

I hope you have a high speed internet connection. This Java satellite loop centered near Des Moines explains everything.

#233 Pamela

May we never lose our outrage.

Bastards.

May we also never lose our resolve.

Man, I was joking about "Terrorists-R-Us" just a few days ago... I guess the Palis really do have something the French want...

#235 Ed

Wow. Rough to be him. Wasn't he in Vietnam, or was he against it?

breaking news:

bin Laden confidant surrenders to Saudi's

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

#237 lawhawk

Other than that it appears to be a high quality web site.

#238 Ed

A "Mickey Mouse" supercell? The head looks worse than the ears.

#239 Renna

Here Here Renna agreed 100%!

and God help the Philpinos and others who cave and appease.

OT - Meanwhile, while the nice, misunderstood, poor oppressed Palestinians are training children to kill Jews fight the occupayshun, those evil, evil imperialistic Americans are putting their lives at risk in Afghanistan.

The U.S. military has launched a new operation in Afghanistan involving thousands of troops to protect the upcoming presidential election, the top American commander said Tuesday.

So remember, America, who has only imperialistic motivations, is using its might and its lives to let the Afghan people (not America) choose who will lead them (again, not America). For people who are trying to take over the world, we sure are going about it funny.

Oh wait, the reporter let me know why we're going to all this trouble.

Peaceful elections would reflect well on the U.S. military and deflect criticism that it has failed to capture Usama bin Laden or Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar.

#235/241

Republican or Demorcrat, I'd be very uneasy being governed by someone who has that sheltered of a background.

Look at the difference between Ronald Reagan with his very modest beginnings, versus the young Ron Reagan Jr, who grew up in a more comfortable environment.

I think it helps to struggle a little and succeed without having everything handed to you to really understand the world correctly.

#238 Ed Moran - Holy crap. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking, but from that satellite it looks like it's moving away from Northern Illinois and going south.

Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations.

--- Yasser Arafat, El Mundo, Caracas, Venezuela, February 11, 1980
(quoted in Myths and Facts 1982, ed by Davis & Decter)

That statement was akin to Hitler's Mein Kampf. It explained Arafat's basic goal, and his basic method. His basic goal is the destruction of Israel. His basic method is to prepare Pali children with indoctrination and training so that the war to destroy Israel will last for generations.

The camps for kiddies where they are taught the methods of terrorist warfare are part of Arafat's method, and part of the legacy that Arafat will leave the world when he finally goes to his virgins in the Great Whorehouse in the Sky that the Islamists teach Pali kids about in their terrorist indoctrinations.

Faced with an obsession of the enemy for endless war to destroy Israel, a war lasting for generations, that country has no choice but to complete the fence to keep the terrorists away from Israel's children.

The fence has already shown its value. Now it must be completed. Let the terrorists moan about the lack of victims for them to kill. Israel cannot provide them with victims to kill.

But, in general, the co-op scene in A2 is where you'll find the most LLL of the local LLL.

I lived for a year in a U/M co-op. While I did catch a case of cooties, I did not catch Lefty Adolescent Alzheimer's Syndrome -- the disease that makes impossible to learn anything after the age of 12.

246 Renna

Peaceful elections would reflect well on the U.S. military and deflect criticism that it has failed to capture Usama bin Laden or Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar.

Disappointing to see that in a Fox story, but at least they can claim its from AP.

But really, of all the insulting pieces of twisted journalism this certainly is in the lead to take the cake. It is so deeply ingrained in the instincts of the media to hate America that they have to make up something like this to show us that the advent of democracy actually represents a "failure" for America.

247

Um, I think Ron Reagan Junior has had a problem with the "Religious Right" for a while. I think it had something to do with having to stay in the closet while his dad ran first for governor, then President.

You do know RR Jr. is speaking at the Dhimmicrap convention?

238

Well, its heading for Indiana. But I started tracking it in northern Illinois.

#252 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

Reagan Jr. is gay?

#216 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

I sure don't know the difference between the two weapons (other than noting the differences in barrel length, and the shorter one looks like it might have a folding stock), but the guy crouching in the foreground appears to me to have been firing off Rambo-style, while the other one looks like he wants to aim his weapon but can't seem to figure out how.

#353 Ed

Oh man, sure, I'll step right in that one.

Just don't amend the U.S. Constitution for that, please. I know, the Queer Eye is watching you, or whatever.

Maybe we could have gay states and not-so-gay states. Federalism.

#94 Walter L. Newton
Good post.

Kerry show irks 9/11 families.

Sen. John F. Kerry [related, bio] upset some families of 9/11 victims yesterday when he arrived - late - to a private memorial dedication in a sirened motorcade and glad-handed as though he were on the campaign trail

And while I believe that the 9/11 families do not wholly own the right to the tragedy, Kerry just comes off as truly classless.

#247: Well, Bill Clinton grew up in adverse circumstances, but it didn't make him a better president. And some really good presidents (both Roosevelts) were incredibly wealthy. So I don't think you can generalize. Besides, there are way too many other reasons to dislike John Kerry. ;)

#254 Cam -

Reagan Jr. is gay?

That question is rhetorical I hope :-)

RIP Ford

That can't be true because we know democrats would never use a funeral/memorial for campaigning purposes.

Well, Ron Reagan Junior has been doing guest spots as the liberal opposite such asshats conservatives as Pat Buchanan on TV.

Mr. Reagan said he knew liberals aren’t known for being great TV.

"I think the bar is set higher for liberals," he said. "It’s easy to be Ann Coulter."

Regarding Ms. Coulter’s recent comment about Joseph McCarthy being an American patriot, for instance, Mr. Reagan said that "to dignify those remarks by refuting them takes time. Conservatives have it easy: They just blurt out some nonsense."

In preparation for the July 28 broadcast of Buchanan & Press, MSNBC’s Web site promised: "Sparks fly when Pat and guest host Ron Reagan Jr. tackle the controversy over America’s first gay high school." But the sparks came mostly from Mr. Buchanan, who had the benefit of his trademark bark and tomahawk-chop gesture.

Mr. Reagan was smooth enough, but he didn’t leap off the screen. He did get in a slightly school-marmish jab at conservative guest Michael Long when he said: "Hey, Mike, I can’t help but notice that anything involving gay people gets you conservatives’ panties in a real twist. Why is that?" Then he cocked his head and looked quizzical for effect—a little too quizzical, maybe, but it seemed like a workable riff.

In any case, Mr. Long used volume to bark Mr. Reagan down. "Don’t play that kind of game with me, Ron!"

Mr. Buchanan ended things with the kind of zinger his audience laps up with a spoon. Talking about the gay-only Harvey Milk High School, he noted with a chuckle, "They might have a great football team!"

#261 Renna

That can't be true because we know democrats would never use a funeral/memorial for campaigning purposes

Never. That would be completely unheard of. :P

#247

Correct. I see your point.

And you could make the arguement that George W Bush grew up with a relatively soft childhood. Although Midland Texas isn't quite like the resorts of France. Main difference being a different type of grape is growing in the wineries of Texas. And fewer topeless beaches in Midland.

Re: Kerry's Privileged background.

To me, the silver spoon thing isn't so much the issue (besides which, Ricky Schroeder grew up to be an uber-hottie) but it is a component of the vibe I get from Kerry, which is that he wants to be president not so much to do something to for America, but to gratify his ego. Kerry seems to be empty of anything other than ego, which goes a long way to explain the complete absence of principle that manifests itself in the flipflops.

I'm sure the same is more or less true of most politicians, but take away Bill Clinton's ego and you were still left with voracious appetites of a sensual nature and an eagerness to please. Strip away Hillary's ego, and there is still the burning desire to create a utopian socialist nanny state. Take away Bush's ego, and there's a set of values that manifest themselves in good policies (defending American interests) and bad policies (prescription drug giveaway, campaign finance reforem).

Take away Kerry's ego, and I don't think there's anything left.

OT - JihadTV is reporting one of the Bulgarians has been executed.

F'ing bastards and butchers...including that POS al-J.

Take away Kerry's ego, and I don't think there's anything left

Well, there might be a few long trousered suits left . . .

Outer rain band from Tropical Storm Blas approaching San Jode de los Cabos, BC del Sur, MX

Tropical Storm Blas has reached the magic 26.5C sea surface temperature isotherm, and thus has reached its max intensity of 50 knots. Blas will be just a tropical depression within 2 days, and just a low cloud swirl within 3 days.

#241 Beagle

Wow. Rough to be him. Wasn't he in Vietnam, or was he against it?

I think he was for it before he was against it.

269

That is "San Jose de los Cabos".

PIMP!

#261, #263
They even say it wasn't political:

Linda Plazonja, executive director of the Massachusetts 9/11 Fund, said she understood some families were upset but said most appreciated the senator taking time from the campaign trail to support families. ``The man certainly has a lot on his plate,'' Plazonja said. ``In spite of all he has going on, he made it here - and most people appreciated that.''

And one family member, Lynn Retik of Weston, said she was thrilled Kerry showed up.

``He showed he cared by coming, it takes a lot of effort for the people who guard him now,'' said Retik, who's son, David, died aboard Flight 11 in the attacks. ``I don't think he was looking for any political advantage at all.''

Kerry's aides said the event was non-political.

yup. uh huh. sure. I believe that...

#265

Right on. I get the impression that W truly doesn't give a fuck if he is re-elected. I mean, I think he wants it, but he ain't going to relinquish his soul for the job. HE will do what is right without regard to his critics, polls, etc.

Look at his VP choice vis a vis Kerrys. W clearly chose Cheney for his experience and what he could contribute to his presidency, particularly on foreign policy.

Kerry, on the other hand chose Edwards for the most cynical of reasons- votes-- and NOTHING more.

#272 TMF:

Kerry, on the other hand chose Edwards for the most cynical of reasons- votes-- and NOTHING more.

C'mon now, maybe he has a plan. Perhaps he's going to sue the terrorists out of existence.

;-)

Cam:

You mentioned "he whose name shall not be spoken"
aka nodrog.

226 NYNana:

Way to funny - who would be top, who bottom?

Er, 252 became 353 and I'm not drunk.