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Ronstadt Booted from Vegas

Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 1:02:33 pm PDT

Last Saturday night, at the end of her show at the fabulous Aladdin casino in glamorous Las Vegas, Linda Ronstadt praised Michael Moore as “a great American patriot” and urged her audience to see Fahrenheit 9/11.

The doughy diva probably didn’t expect what happened next.

The crowd booed her, threw drinks at her, and tore her posters down.

Then, to add well-deserved insult to well-deserved injury, she got the boot from the casino’s owner. (Hat tip: zulubaby.)

And I mean the boot, baby. He didn’t even let Ms. Ronstadt go back to her gorgeous celebrity suite.

LAS VEGAS - Singer Linda Ronstadt not only got booed, she got the boot after lauding filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” during a performance at the Aladdin hotel-casino.

Before singing “Desperado” for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a “great American patriot” and “someone who is spreading the truth.” She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush.

Ronstadt’s comments drew loud boos and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air.

“It was a very ugly scene,” Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. “She praised him and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose.”

Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, decided Ronstadt had to go — for good. Timmins said he didn’t allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite and she was escorted off the property.

Ronstadt’s antics “spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it,” Timmins said.

Timmins said it was the first time he sent a performer packing.

“As long as I’m here, she’s not going to play,” Timmins said.

UPDATE: More details at the Las Vegas Sun: Aladdin expels Ronstadt after political remarks. Notice that the first report above may have exaggerated the extent of the drink-throwing, but it’s clear that this was not just a few angry people—“hundreds of angry fans” walked out.

Near the close of her performance, Ronstadt dedicated the Eagles hit “Desperado” to Moore, producer of “Fahrenheit 9/11,” and the room erupted into equal parts boos and cheers.

She said Moore “is someone who cares about this country deeply and is trying to help.”

Ronstadt has been making the dedication at each of her engagements since she began a national tour earlier this summer, but it has never sparked such a reaction.

Hundreds of angry fans streamed from the theater as Ronstadt sang. Some of them reportedly defaced posters of her in the lobby, writing comments and tossing drinks on her pictures.

Timmins told Las Vegas Sun gossip columnist Timothy McDarrah: “We live in a city where people come from all over the world to be entertained. We hired Ms. Ronstadt as an entertainer, not as a political activist.

”Whether you are politically on the left or on the right is not the point. She went up in front of the stage and just let it out. This was not the correct forum for that.“

Timmins said she was wrong to bring her politics to the stage.

”Our first and only priority is the enjoyment of our customers,“ he said. ”I made the decision to ask Miss Ronstadt to leave the hotel. A situation like that can easily turn ugly and I didn’t want anything more to come out of it. There were a lot of angry people there after she started talking.

“If she wants to talk about her views to a newspaper or in a magazine article, she is free to do so. But in a stage in front of four and a half thousand people is not the place for it.”

Squyres said half the audience walked out, an estimate that might have been high. But the number was substantial, nevertheless.

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1 quesnay  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:04:36am

Touche, the power of the free market

2 joel2  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:05:44am

Sweet!

3 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:05am

I HAIL the re-emergence of the REAL AMERICAN MAN.

Go to hell, Linda, you fat, pompous has-been.

4 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:09am

Linda, welcome to America.

5 brent  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:12am

The only thing that would have made that story better would be if she had produced Mikey from behind the curtain.

Sigh.

Although I'm sure he'd say the malcontents made up a small minority of the audience, the "cheap seats"...

6 TMF  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:25am

She peaked on the Simpsons

"Mr. Plow is a loser and I think he is a boozer...."

7 FreakyBoy  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:47am

Atzlan / La Raza seething in 3, 2, 1......

8 kstagger  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:06:51am

but her free speech! [/LLL moonbat]

Sounds like Timmins is a class act.

9 NC  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:07:07am

When a chill wind blows through Vegas, does it turn into a hot wind?

10 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:07:12am

Correction: he's BRITISH?!

Even sweeter.

11 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:07:14am

That's Censorship dangfarnit. They're violating her 1st Amendment Rights to Free Speech!

/cue the L³

Ah, someone taking on the persona of James Caan on Las Vegas. Excellent! :)

12 Oktober  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:07:34am

that is the greatest thing i have ever heard.

13 freedomsound  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:07:41am

#5 brent

Haha. But then he wouldn't have had the courage to show himself after that.

14 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:08:03am

Does anyone have an e-mail address for this righteous Brit?

15 beavereater  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:08:17am

Their all winners. A thousand 4 leaf clovers for that crowd!

16 gymnast  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:09:21am

Didn't Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) date this over-ripe peach about 40 years ago?

17 SoCalJustice  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:09:33am

Of all the things that may come out of this kerfuffle, I truly hope one is not Ronstadt posing nude on the cover of Entertainment Weekly.

18 Ellen  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:09:45am

Wow - I can't wait to hear the ravings of the LLL crowd.
Technically, what happened to her was not censorship.
She can say anything she wants, she just can't say it at the Aladdin.

As Laura Ingraham said in her book Shut Up And Sing.

19 zombie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:09:45am

I was just in the process of emailing this very article to Charles, when it shows up as a thread on LGF before I can even hit the "send" button. Man, Charles is cookin' today (and yesterday too)!

20 kaymad  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:09:51am

As much as this pleases me, I can't help thinking her being banned was a bad thing. We have Elton John out talking about censorship and all.

Still, I enjoy the thought of her having bottles thrown at her head.

21 A Recovering Liberal  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:10:30am

Her music is part of the soundtrack of my childhood. Not pleased to read that she likes Moore. Guess I won't be replacing those cassette tapes with CDs after all.

22 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:15am

Ah, another martyr for the "self-pitying celebrity pity party."

"Yeah, yeah, oh let me taste your tears Linda. Ummm, your tears are so yummy and sweet. .. Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness. Yummy, yummy guys." -- Eric Cartman

23 freedomsound  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:16am

Oh well Solomon X, now I am 2 for 3 on hat tip predictions. Zulubaby must have a lizard phone with a direct line to Charles!

24 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:30am

What are the words I'm looking for? Oh yes....BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

So much for a captive audience...

25 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:31am

I'm happy to hear it. The citizens of the red states speak loudly. And I pray they all vote in November.

26 zee  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:31am

Is that a sign that there is lots of pent up frustration out there amongst us 'flyover' types? I could go for a night like that.

27 Andrea/minnesota  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:11:45am

bwahahahahahahahaha
remember to pass this on
a new film coming
michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
click on filmmakers journey
moorelies.com
mooreexposed.com
moorewatch.com

28 David Simon  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:12:59am

What would you expect from someone who dated a first-rate loon like Jerry Brown?

29 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:13:01am

That is the most fantastic story I have heard in a long time.

I did not know Linda Ronstadt was a raving LLL, but now that I know, I will try to listen to her music even less than I do now, which will be difficult since I can't remember the last time I listened to Linda Ronstadt.

However, I would like to join the STFU Linda Ronstadt chorus.

30 brent  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:13:45am

#20 Elton

...and don't EVEN get me started on Elton - what has happened to his dumb self lately? Shouldn't he be simultaneously guest starring on / accusing "American Idol" of being racist?

If censorship were such a problem here, wouldn't he have trouble getting his opinion on Drudge every time he came up with something? The Bitch really is back.

Is his "Check Career" light on yet?

31 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:14:08am

This is probably as close as we're going to get to a drinking thread on a Monday, so I'm going to go OT and post a "Reno 911" quote that left me in a giggling fit all weekend.

Deputy Travis Junior: I actually wanted to be in the FBI for about 20 minutes after I saw that movie with Jodie Foster and that guy who eats people in his basement, but I was really stoned at the time. And to be honest with you, for about 20 minutes, I also thought about making a dress out of people's skin.
32 BH  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:14:12am

Tough sh*t. She was hired to entertain the guests, and she used it to push her politics. If her recording company added a 30-second audio track endorsing GWB on her CDs, how fast would the fit hit the shan?

These people really do come to believe the hype about themselves, and forget that they are just hired help.

33 zombie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:15:17am

This incident is extremely heartening. I've been trying to explain to my anti-idiotarian friend (who despairs at the endless parade of Moore-worshipping LLL lunacy in the SF Bay Area) that the average American has his or her head screwed on straight and knows full well that Michael Moore and everything he stands for is full of sh!t. This proves it. There is a complete disconnect between the media and the feelings of average Americans.

34 Shaka Ndaw  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:16:00am

Maybe LR can grab Whoopi Goldberg's Nutri-Slim gig. She could sure use it.

Does anyone recall about ten years ago when David Letterman had Ronstadt on his show and, because of her girth, everything was shot from the back of the auditorium? It was hilarious. No one said that's why they were doing it, but it was obvious.

Too bad, too. Her "Living in the U.S.A." is one of my favorite albums. Warren Zevon, Chuck Berry, J.D. Souther, Elvis Costello, Oscar Hammerstein -- someone sure knew how to pick songs.

35 J.D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:16:03am

How funny is that?
Don't let the door hitcha, Linda.

36 Dan Patterson  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:16:08am

Oh hot damn and hell yeah!

Girlie-men take note: There is a strong divide between right and wrong. Pick a side.

"You and me,
travel to the beat of a different drum..." So wrote Mike Nesmith (yes of the Monkey's) and so sung Linda Ronstadt. I guess she and me DO travel to the beat of a different drum.

Dan Patterson
Winston-Salem, NC

37 Rufus Lee King  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:16:13am

Sounds like Aladdin's lamp got the vermin scurrying for midnight at some other oasis.

I'd like to see her pull that crap at a Shriner's convention.

38 rabid fanatic  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:17:07am

When I go to Vegas I'm staying at the Aladdin.

39 Bob G.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:17:40am

I think the spirit of Frank Sinatra was in that room: "Swing like Joe DiMaggio, and rip that chick a new a-hole."

40 Solomon X  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:17:51am

re freedomsound #23

Oh well Solomon X, now I am 2 for 3 on hat tip predictions. Zulubaby must have a lizard phone with a direct line to Charles!

I wuz robbed!

41 Joel  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:18:34am

Another over the hill leftie. Viva Las Vegas!

42 paul in Va  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:19:28am

Another aging boomer feels the sudden shock of the political shift of our concert-going youth. Or whoever goes to see Ronstadt in Las Vegas, anyway.

The boomers and the LLL refuse to accept it, but man, these times are a changin'.

43 IdeaLover  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:21:00am

Is Ronstadt really that stupid, or is she just as dishonest as Moore?

The proof that F 9/11 is full of lies, errors, ad hominem, etc. is easily available to anybody who wants to see it. I conclude from this that Ronstadt and all other Moore acolytes just don't give a damn about honesty or facts.

Has anybody here ever come across a Moore fan who, when pointed towards the proof of Moore's dishonesty, etc., actually considered it and then changed his mind?

I know that many lefty ideas require willful blindness to believe, but acceptance of Moore and his unintellectual crap makes such blindness look like 20/20 vision.

Mark Peters

44 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:21:33am
45 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:23:10am
46 Paranoid Brit  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:23:54am

Hmm

If the Letterman show was anything to go by, it would be "Doughy Diva"

47 Evolutions Eve  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:24:00am

This is disgusting. How can you, who claim to be for free speech, support the utter trampling of Mrs. Ronstadts 1st Amendment rights ?!? Are we that afraid of rational, political discourse that we must turn into animals ?!? Truly depressing.

48 john5z  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:24:02am

4500 customers uncensored - that is great!

49 azul93gt  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:24:58am

Dame Elton won't like this one little bit. When the celebs ram their political agenda down the little people's throats all they're supposed to do is ask, "how high."

50 David2  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:25:15am

Did you go to a movie lately? Put money in some hollywood jerk's pocket? Thanks, Linda, for helping us all to see the light.

51 scaramouche  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:25:33am

Talk about misreading the crowd. You'd think someone who's been in the biz as long as Linda would have more insight into her audience. But then again, she's sort of been out of the spotlight since she was thin and Jerry Brown was the guv of California.

52 Paranoid Brit  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:26:03am

Hmm. Must get those new glasses. The report *did* say 'doughy'. I guess I was looking for media bias, expecting someone to call her 'doughty'.

53 Radian  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:26:47am

TMF

HA-Ha

/munse

54 milford421  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:26:48am

#1

Right...and also, an exercise in free speech from a non-liberal point of view.

55 Studsup  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:26:59am

Drudge is also running a companion piece where Elton John is decrying censorship in the USA. Says it's unfair that Toby Keith can express his views but the Dixie Chicks have problems when they do.

Then the self-absorbed celebs wonder why Americans are getting sick of them? They make millions. They think their celebrity status means they are inherently more knowledgeable and hat we have to believe their rants and be forced to endure them. All the while, they prove, as does Sir Elton in this piece, time and time again that they are bonecrushingly stupid.

Can someone please explain to Sir Elton, that in America, individuals are free to "censor" -- it's our government that can't do that. So we don't have to listen to Ronstadt's rot if we don't want to. Private companies don't have to book people whose views they differ with. Whoopi has no fundamental human right to product endorsements. And on a personal note, Elton, you irredeemable fathead, I don't have to buy your records, go to your concerts or listen to your music if I find your political opinions annoying -- which I do.

While the thought of Linda being escorted off the property is a nice finishing touch, there real heros are the half of the crowd that booed her and exercised their right "not to listen". To socialists, not only must they be free to speak, but audiences must be obliged to listen. That's how it is in their socialist totalitarian utiopias, but not here in America, at least not yet.

56 urban shocker  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:27:10am

Linda was one of my first celebrity crushes.

Later, I came to the realization that her politics would have created a rift between us, despite the fact that I was about 10 when she was peaking.

57 quark2  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:27:27am

Ah! She can now take on the job of secretary/treasurer of The Dixie Limplips fan club, permanently. :)

58 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:28:11am

Viva Las Vegas!

59 Moonbat_One  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:28:20am

Looks like Bush and Rove are planting their agents wherever celebrities speak, watching their every move, making sure that any patriotic dissent is drowned out in a chorus of booing. A chill wind is blowing, my friends.

60 Ernst  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:28:35am

Feeling better, now that we're through
Feeling better, cause I'm over you
I've learned my lesson, it left a scar
Now I see how you really are

You're no good, you're no good, you're no good
Linda, you're no good (I'm gonna say it again)
You're no good, you're no good, you're no good
Linda, you're no good

61 rabid fanatic  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:28:50am

#47 E^2

Please read #55.

62 Buck  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:09am

OT:

Darfur Documents Confirm Government Policy of Militia Support
Human Rights Watch has obtained copies of government documents that indicate a Sudanese government policy of arab muslim militia recruitment, support and impunity.

63 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:20am

lawhawk 7/19/2004 01:07PM PST
That's Censorship dangfarnit. They're violating her 1st Amendment Rights to Free Speech!

/cue the L³

**********************************************
Evolutions Eve 7/19/2004 01:24PM PST
This is disgusting. How can you, who claim to be for free speech, support the utter trampling of Mrs. Ronstadts 1st Amendment rights ?!? Are we that afraid of rational, political discourse that we must turn into animals ?!? Truly depressing.

**********************************************
Please post and point out EXACTLY what portion of the 1st Amendment was violated, I do not want to see what you THINK it says I want the text posted and the parts violtated illustrated.

Because I wonder if you have ever actually READ the Constitution?

64 freedomsound  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:26am

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
You been out protesting fences for so long now...

Oh, you're a lard one
I know that you lost your reason
These terrorists that are pleasin' you
Will hurt you, and how

65 john5z  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:38am

#49 azul:

I think you meant "How deep?"

66 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:40am
Zulubaby must have a lizard phone with a direct line to Charles!

It's a conspiracy! ;-) Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

I just love this story because this ...

Ronstadt’s comments drew loud boos and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater.

... restores my faith that the country is not overrun by lunatics. I think they're just noisy.

67 Solomon X  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:48am

IdeaLover said

Has anybody here ever come across a Moore fan who, when pointed towards the proof of Moore's dishonesty, etc., actually considered it and then changed his mind?

In the LLL universe, truth is relative, or rather, there is no objective "truth". Feelings define truth, your "narrative" shapes the truth, and the liberal propaganda machines (media, acedemia) make that truth reality. Factual errors in Moore's film can be accepted while not calling into question the greater "truth" of Moore's message.

68 MnJoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:51am

I just LOVE these feel good stories on LFG. Love 'em.

MM is spreading the truth. Right, sure, whatever, Linda.

69 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:29:55am

Much of the left labors under the delusion that free speech rights flow only one way, that there is a right to express a left-wing opinion, but no right for anyone else to respond to it.

70 Shaka Ndaw  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:30:17am

#47

She has her free speech. She doesn't have a right to get paid to entertain and then instead do a political speech. Once she's done that she's violated the casino's trust in putting her on the stage to perform. Outside, where she's not getting paid, fine. I might agree with you if the owner had pulled her ticket for something she said off the premises.

71 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:30:22am

P.S. Solomon X, I'm happy to share my hat tip with you :-)

72 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:30:28am
73 Joel  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:30:46am

#43 IdeaLover

People like LR are very predictable and arrogant. They inhabit an echo chamber of just speaking to people in Malibu, Brentwood, the Upper West Side, etc. in which the only form of debate is "how stupid is George Bush?" They are actually shocked that other people do not share their opinions. LR probably thought that the people visiting in Las Vegas all agreed with her. Vegas gets people from all over America, not just L.A. and S.F.

74 FreakyBoy  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:30:49am

Ronstadt's performance was well attended only because the long-running "The Jeffersons on Ice" was forced to close a week earlier.

RIP Weezie.

75 struan al kufr  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:31:07am

Blew Bye - YOU!

Bwwaaaa-haaaaaa-haaaaa.

76 crown_of_feathers  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:32:12am

Sorry to be trite here, but.....ROTFLMAO!!!!

Linda used to be hot. Now she's just gotten too big for her britches.....literally

77 D-Fens  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:32:35am

I've long suspected it, but now I am sure. Evolutions Eve and Elton John are the same person.

78 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:33:02am

#43 IdeaLover

Has anybody here ever come across a Moore fan who, when pointed towards the proof of Moore's dishonesty, etc., actually considered it and then changed his mind?

No, and that's the problem. It's the "don't confuse me with the facts..." crowd. Their hate for the middle, and what used to be considered liberalism (today's conservatism is yesterday's liberalism) is just beyond reason. But it is my hope that the majority of Americans are still rational and will vote in November.

It would make a pleasant surprise to wake up the day after the election and see Bush is still President. Of course, the LLLs would go ballistic, lawsuits would follow, heads would explode...and more!

79 Joel  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:33:47am

#47 Evolutions Eve


This is disgusting. How can you, who claim to be for free speech, support the utter trampling of Mrs. Ronstadts 1st Amendment rights ?!? Are we that afraid of rational, political discourse that we must turn into animals ?!? Truly depressing.

How dare Linda Ronstadt inflict her political opinions on a crowd that came to hear her sing? She was hired to sing, not editorialize.

80 centaur  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:34:13am

It was, in fact, a perfect display of freedom of speech. She spoke her mind, and so did her (former) fans.

Do any of these LLL celebs have an original thought? Did they all take a seminar somewhere together?

81 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:34:39am

What we saw there is NOT a violation of 1st Amendment righst but the exercsie of those rights by both sides of a debate.

If you hold that LR had the right to express her opionions then you are forced to accept that the 4500 people in that room had equal rights.

Both sides voted and one side won.

She is free to continue to express her ideas. NO ONE has done anything to prevent that. I expect she will do so in the Media if not the Courts if she had a contract with the Casino.

82 Judith  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:35:00am

My intro to Linda wasn't really very good. I was forced to take a class on improving my inner awareness as a humanity elective when I was getting my CEGEP degree way way back in 1978. Our "professor" gave us numerous lovely assignments like painting with a broad kindergardern brush while listening to classical music as we "flowed" with the music and other fun stuff designed to broaden our mind.

Our final assignment was to present our favorite song to the class with a description of why it was our favorite song and what impact this song had had in our lives. She gave hers as her example. It was a Linda Ronstadt song called "I've been cheated" been misleaded etc, when will I be loved. She then told us all the intimate details of what an SOB her husband was (and I mean ALL, way more than anyone ever wanted to know) and told us this song expressed her entire life story and was the only relevant and shaping event of her life.

I always avoided Linda Ronstadt's songs after that, associating her with this flakey fruit and nut prof from the lunatic fringe. I also kind of felt I was being fair to Linda Ronstadt.

I have now been vindicated!!

(I got an A in the course because my fav song was "Here comes the sun" which I felt was optimistic and upbeat and made me feel good about myself.)

83 brent  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:35:08am

I can't get this image out of my head - Linda Rondstadt belching "Blue Bayou" on the Vegas blue hair circuit....

That's the REAL reason she was booed - the crowd couldn't stand her not keepin' it real. No Linda, not your classic!

It's either that or the lighting made it look as though Michael Moore HAD taken the stage. Thanks for coming out to the show, see my new movie!

Doughy, that's kind.

84 honstee  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:35:36am

Linda Ronstadt and Whoopi Goldberg will probably be the next celebrities that show up wearing pro-Kerry shirts on this mildly humorous web site.

[Link: www.kerrylicksbush.com...]

I purchased a shirt from the site as a joke gift for a friend of mine. He promptly put it on his Weber Grill and burned it. He didn't see the humor in it. Anyway, if you'd like to see Jesse Helms wearing pro-Kerry stuff, check it out.

As I said, it's mildly funny in a juevenille sort of way.

david

85 Solomon X  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:35:40am

Thanks for sharing zulubaby!

86 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:38:10am

Kewl. Booking my rooms at the Aladdin now.
Linda's expected respone:
"I've been cheated, been mistreated..."

I'm hoping for the chance to use this argument the next time some moonbats moan censorship: Anita Bryant was spokesperson for Florida orange juice until she joined up with an anti gay group in Miami in the late 70's.
The OJ cartel promptly fired her.
Was that a violation of her free speech rights,or a smart business move?

87 Radian  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:39:19am

47

I wonder if she applies for unemployment.

The free speech of the crowd seemed to take precident...

These people need to figure out that the majority of people think they are full of shit.

Maybe fat mike will lend her a dime..

88 View from Ironyland  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:39:22am

#47 Evolutions Eve

Surely the Aladdin has come under the thumb of Bushitler, and his minion A$$croft.

Ms Rondstat should be given an encore, a pension, and perhaps a tiara.

Do these right wing crazies have no shame?

89 Rednek  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:40:27am

CENSORSHIP!!!!

I BLAME ASHCROFT!!!


But seriously...OT

Maybe the environmentalists will shut up about SUVs now.

90 coastygirl  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:40:39am

LOLOL!
Now, why on earth do I have to hear, day in, day out, "Everyone in America MUST see this movie!" As if it never occurred to us that things may be amiss in the USA, as if we're all brainwashed ZOMBIES doing the bidding of Bushcoetc. Really, it makes me think quite the opposite, that it is the L3's under some mass hypnosis, when I hear the same talking points trotted out, all about the same time. URG, sorry rant over.
I think #58 Sarah D.deserves a prize for the best comment, Viva Las Vegas!

91 m410  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:41:23am

Need to see F 9/11 in order to better argue with LLLs?

Plan A) Go see it, but pay for another movie to get in.
Plan B) Read the transcript.

92 dexter green  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:41:46am

If I'm ever in Vegas, I know which casino will be duping me out of my money. :)

-dg

93 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:42:39am
Has anybody here ever come across a Moore fan who, when pointed towards the proof of Moore's dishonesty, etc., actually considered it and then changed his mind?

People don't go to Michael Moore for "truth" any more than people buy porn movies for the sparkling dialogue kick-ass soundtrack.

Did Bush collude with the Saudis to cause 911 so UnoCal could build a pipeline in Afghanistan? Sure, and guys who work for Domino's can barely make it through a shift without servicing surgically-enhanced bimbos in a menage-a-trois.

94 C-Low  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:42:55am

Bout the time the silent majority is finally getting fed up with being silent and taking it laying down.

I also saw about Protest Warrior. If I lived closer to New York I would go jump in withem. Unfortunatly if I took off that much time I wouldnt have much to come back to. But at least I get to enjoy beating the LLL's around me over the head with Reality. I just love how LLL's think "everyone should be equal" sounds real good until you ask them if they work harder then the lowest paid guy near them. Then after they say hell yeah, see them skwrm as they realize it was a good idea as long as the equality meant making them what the boss made for thier work but not for the guy under them to make what they make hell no. the excuses are great well I have more expierence, work harder, more training, ect... ya know what they say "reality sucks"

95 Richard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:43:30am

"Ronstadt’s antics “spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it,” Timmins said."

Let me get this straight- She said something on stage that people in the crowd disagreed with, those said people react by destroying property and throwing glass containers it the air, and SHE spoiled a wonderful evening? If I were at a concert when this happened, I would start swinging at the assholes who, when confronted with an idea they don't agree with, start destroying private property.

That being said, of course there was no censorship, private business can book whoever they want to perform. I just think the audience behavior was despicable, and I can't believe how many people in this forum cheer it on.

96 M. Simon  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:43:52am

Now think of her audience. Probably to the liberal side. Not exactly yer average Mississippi bible thumpers. At least somewhat sympathetic to her and her politics. Had she mentioined the rain forest she likely would have been fine.

And yet an oblique criticism of Bush causes a riot. Among people who are in the age group most likely to vote.

My guess is that Bush will win in a HUGE landslide.

This has got to be shaping up as a huge "upset the status quo" election.

Add in that the Democrats in California may be giving that state to Arnold and by his coat tails Bush, and you have the makings of a very interesting election.

97 hepcat  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:46:11am

#17 SoCalJustice

Yeech!
LOL

98 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:46:33am

Imagine if this were to be the beginning of a new awareness on the part of owners of venues where tese brainless wonders 'perform', and suddenly their bookings dried up, or they were to have to agree to keep politics, for either side, out of their gig. What they choose to do at a political rally is their judgement call, and most seem to show a narcissitic idea that they are the political pundits we all look to, rather than those whose idiotarian statements and hate have the opposite effect.

Saying that, CA Gov. Schwarzenegger's 'girly girl' comment was not the brightest remark ever made...and Maria is supposed to address the dhummicrats? Oy! What a fun couple!

99 mikalm  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:46:49am

The Aladdin Guest Book -- send Mr. Timmins a note of support here.

fthevote.com And here's a LLL link that deserves a thread all its own (are you listening, Charles?)

100 DHIMMIPOWER  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:47:12am

Linda Ronstadt and the Stone Ponies (or stoned phonies)

Away with her ugly ass, and Michael Boor too!

101 Baldy  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:47:31am

Good news. Thank you zulubaby and Charles for posting this.

102 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:49:20am

In any case, we now know where Ann Jocobsen's Syrian band was performing, back up for La Ronstadt.

BTW, Courtney Love's problems apparently have nothing to do with being a mentally unstable drug addict, apparently Courtney Love's problems are all Bush's fault.

Despite everything, Love believes her predicament is the result of a coordinated financial, legal and personal smear campaign. In a recent interview with London's Sunday Telegraph, she was asked if she bears any responsibility for her current problems.

"The last thing I want to say is, 'I'm a victim', but I am. I believe it's a trickledown from Bush "

103 Joseph  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:49:30am

YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

104 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:49:51am

#95 Richard

If I were at a concert when this happened, I would start swinging at the assholes who, when confronted with an idea they don't agree with, start destroying private property.


And then...

I just think the audience behavior was despicable, and I can't believe how many people in this forum cheer it on.

W..o..w

105 The Bruce  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:49:55am

Vox Populi in Vegas. Yeah, baby.

Shine it on, Linda! Just don't shine it on us.

106 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:51:03am

#99 milkalm

You should really post a damn warning with that.

107 TmjUtah  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:51:46am

Anybody price a dinner and show in Vegas lately?

What's 4500 people times $75.00 (just an example - been years since we went) plus tips a head? That, on top of your room, the time you put aside for the vacation, and the two hundred bucks you just left at the blackjack table?

She's lucky they just threw drinks. And the Aladdin management deserves kudos.

108 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:51:49am

Richard (#95)

Free speech for me,

If I were at a concert when this happened, I would start swinging at the assholes

but not for thee.

I just think the audience behavior was despicable

Hypocrisy, anyone?

109 Baldy  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:51:53am

Remember when Esther, AKA Madonna, AKA The @$!?? of Babylon, AKA the ex-Mrs Sean Penn, AKA... shortly after 9/11, hoped the US wouldn't go overboard in "responding" to the attack? The audience booed....

110 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:52:50am
Hypocrisy, anyone?

He's soaking in it.

111 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:53:26am

#95 rich

I just think the audience behavior was despicable, and I can't believe how many people in this forum cheer it on.

Who died? A few glasses were broken and posters were ripped. Though if you would start swinging on patrons, I think you would follow right behind Linda in handcuffs on assault charges (after a good beating).

112 Rednek  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:53:36am

#93 Furious

and guys who work for Domino's can barely make it through a shift without servicing surgically-enhanced bimbos in a menage-a-trois.

I worked for Domino's in my youth and I could have made an R rated movie based on the experience. But not an X.

113 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:54:28am

#108 zulubaby

Copycat :-P


ps - OT - but regarding celeb/politics - a couple of my friends went to Ozzfest yesterday and they said there was no Bush=Hitler stuff shown. Maybe Oz finally wised up (yeah right.)

114 mikalm  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:55:07am

#106 RWC

Sorry -- I was so astonished at the site that I forgot it might not be very family- or work-friendly.

115 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:56:58am

RWC, what did I do?

Furious J, Courtney Love should stay off the crack. The paranoia is getting to her, big time.

116 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:57:15am

#114 Milkalm

It's alright. And I am not to worried about the content, it is just I have some nosey freakin' people outside of my office and when they hear that,.....well,.....I don't want to get in trouble for those sounds.....again ;-)

117 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:57:22am

M.Simon,

I'm from Mississippi. GGGGRRRRRRRR....>:{

118 struan al kufr  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:57:28am

#93 Furious J

Bwaaaaaaa-haa-haa!

119 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:57:45am

Oh, I see ... #104 :-)

120 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:58:43am

Richard,

Don't be a girlyman.

121 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:58:56am

A few funny observations.

1) How many idiot liberals do we have to listen to cry about violating First Amendment Rights? The First Amendment talks about government censorship. Your First Amendment Right consists of your ability to voice your opinion on any given street corner without interference from the Government. No where does it say any private firm or individuals are prohibited from responding to your free speech, which of course includes firing you as a spokesperson for a particular product or company. No where does it mention you being given a platform to broadcast your views, such as a privately owned corporation or establishment. Know what it says before you open your pie-hole.

2) These are the very same idiots who demanded that Dr. Laura be fired for making anti-homosexual comments on her radio show. Uh, check me if I'm wrong Sandy but isn't that a violation of her First Amendment Rights under the revised liberal version of the Constitution?

3) When will idiot celebs realize that their marginal talent as performers doesn't make them any more politically enlightended than the average Joe in the audience? It's almost like thinking that because your some kind of media person that your opinion is certainly more important than the general public.

I can't believe how friggin stupid these people are, as well as those who come here to defend their idiocy.

122 D-Fens  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:59:06am
#99 milkalm

You should really post a damn warning with that.

Yes, please post a warning, lots of us are at work and could get sacked for clicking on a link like that.

123 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:59:07am
A few glasses were broken and posters were ripped.

Not to get nit-picky, but there's nothing about glasses being broken. It just says cocktails were flung in the air. It's possible only the contents of the glasses were spilled. I get more property damage than that when the kids have a sleepover.

124 Thousand Sons  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:00:04pm

Somewhere out there
Beneath a pale moon bat....

125 zombie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:01:09pm

Has anyone noticed the irony of this taking place at the Aladdin of all places -- the only Arab-themed casino on the strip? In the early days of Vegas there were several "Arabian" casinos, based on the desert/hot/sand similarity bewteen the landscape around Vegas and the Arabian Peninsula. But most of them eventually went out of business. Only the Aladdin remains. I'm really wondering now: what were the owners and designers thinking when they came up with this casino theme? It was pre-9/11, but still. Now, I'm really wondering just how much they regret it, considering the events of the last 3 years. And I wonder just how much it pisses off the Muslims -- having their culture appropriated for a hedonistic sin palace!

126 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:01:17pm

#119 zulubaby

Exactly ;-)

Now, if we want to talk about what you didn't do >-(

127 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:01:23pm

Did anybody else happen to noticed that the picture of Looney Ronstadt that yahoo news had with the article to which Charles linked is damn near 20 years old?

128 John Schneider  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:02:03pm

#55 Studsup:

bravo! It seems to be extremely taxing on the celeb/hollywood/elite crowd that individuals and companies are allowed to restrict the "hired help" from spouting personally held views. The state may not censor political views(except those calling for violent overthrow...hello Michael Moore...), but if I or my company don't wanna pay you to spout privately held opinions, I don't have to. And since you don't have a job working in my hotel, you don't need a place to stay in my hotel.

It's wonderful to see the folks in the flyover states take a stand.

129 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:02:05pm

Lovin' the celebs who speak out and then get blasted. They don't expect it because they forget that their fans are not like their friends, who think a certain way, only. The so-called liberals of today are stuck in a PC world dominated by the LLLs. If you disagree, you are a fascist. They have a pretty high opinion of themselves. "Excuse me. Do you have any grey poupon?" Snobs.

130 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:02:20pm

lazytart, LOL!

131 Richard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:02:33pm

#108- zulubaby

Absolutely no hypocrisy there. LR can say what she wants, the crowd can SAY what they want. By this story, the crowd crossed the line. They destroyed private property and thew galsses. That is dangerous and destructive behavior, not "free speech".

132 Studsup  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:03:01pm

#95 Richard -- "That being said, of course there was no censorship, private business can book whoever they want to perform. I just think the audience behavior was despicable, and I can't believe how many people in this forum cheer it on. "

Linda taking money from people and then lecturing instead of entertaining is what is despicable, not the audience for booing and leaving. I'd be one of those booing and leaving, it wasn't advertised as a political even -- so she can leave her freaking politics home. If exercise my right not to listen is despicable in your view, then cry me a river. Defacing and throwing drinks on her signs outside the theater wasn't to bright but so far, I haven't seen numbers of people here endorsing that.

Fortunately, the celebs can't resist the urge to use their concert and other entertainment venues as political platforms. So I just keep making my list of entertainers whose art I will not support because I refuse to enable their views by paying for them.

133 Kevin Shook  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:03:18pm

#47 - How were LR's rights trampled? No one prevented her from saying what she did. If anyone was abusive, it was LR. People paid to hear her sing, not voice out her political views.

Your complaints are so typical of the LLL, but what you don't undertand is that freedom of speech comes with responsibility. If your only response to criticism to your speech is the First Amendment, then maybe you should keep your yap shut. Obviously, you haven't clearly thought out your views to support them.

134 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:03:59pm
135 Rufus Lee King  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:04:05pm
Looks like Bush and Rove are planting their agents wherever celebrities speak, watching their every move, making sure that any patriotic dissent is drowned out in a chorus of booing. A chill wind is blowing, my friends.

Yeah. Bush probably has SS agents everywhere making the crowds, y'know, boo Lefties. What if, like, on the Simpsons last night, Bush, y'know, had everyone who, like, ever disagreed with him in government-run, y'know, re-education centers?

Then you'd be sorry, you fascist scum.

/LLL, flowering with political insight and the stirrings of moral certainty.

136 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:04:11pm

GOOD LORD! I went to that link... is that a blow up doll on the bottom?

137 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:05:32pm

Richard

They destroyed private property and thew galsses.

They did?

138 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:06:22pm

#131 Richard

You said that you would start swinging at the assholes who did this....and then stated that you were appalled by the audiences actions. That is what is hypocritical.

139 Baldy  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:06:39pm

Richard - I consider what she said "Fighting Words."

140 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:06:57pm

#123 Furious J

Not to get nit-picky,..

You're being nit-picky. ;)

141 Nierka  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:07:37pm

One more to boycott. The $$$ are really starting to add up ! Might just take myself to Vegas and stay at the Aladdin !

142 C-Low  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:07:45pm

#95 Richard 7/19/2004 01:43PM PST
If I were at a concert when this happened, I would start swinging at the assholes who, when confronted with an idea they don't agree with, start destroying private property.


Yeah that would have been right before you got "NOCKED THE F*CK OUT"

143 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:08:02pm
144 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:08:38pm

#95 Richard

I just find it funny....I was having a bad day and this story put a smile on my face.

145 a.k.a. Will  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:09:24pm

Try to find a little empathy in your hearts. In their youth, these sixties left-overs received standing ovations for their anti-war, anti-establishment pronouncements. Adjusting to a new time is so hard.

146 lazytart  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:09:43pm
147 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:09:52pm

#131 rich

That is dangerous and destructive behavior, ..

Apparently the hotel manager and security thought otherwise.

You are looking for stones to throw and coming up with pebbles.

148 Cybrludite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:10:00pm

In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz, "Haaaaaaa-ha!"

149 Zack  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:11:05pm

...and a good time was had by all - eventually.

150 Paranoid Brit  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:11:19pm

And in any case, what if the audience did destroy *private* property. That's an issue the Aladdin might want to take up with the disgruntled audience.

The're no criminal action there that I can see. No injured party (aside from an ego).

151 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:11:41pm

112 Redneck

I worked for Domino's in my youth and I could have made an R rated movie based on the experience. But not an X.

I flashed a few Domino's delivery guys in my misspent youth. Maybe you were one of them, and I humbly apologize if I damaged you in any way.

152 Kevin Shook  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:11:43pm

#132 - I totally agree. Why is it that the entertainment industry can potificate on social and political issues? When and where did this become part of their job description? If I spouted out my political beliefs to the clients I work with, I know that I would find my ass without a job. Our clients pay for legal advice not my political views. The audience at the Alladin paid to hear LR sing, not her political views. (I don't know why the audience was surprised considering LR used to be Jerry Brown Jr.'s main squeeze.)

153 Renna  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:12:10pm
No where does it mention you being given a platform to broadcast your views

A fact lost upon my local paper, who it seems has made it its mission in life to run story after story about how Bush is not "allowing" protestors their rights to stand on other people's property and hold up signs in certain places.

The paper never comes right out and says the protestors are losing their 1st amendment rights, because they could easily be proven wrong, but they imply and imply and imply.

And the masses of good people too busy working and living to investigate the real facts or spend too much time thinking about it will be deceived into thinking that ol' chill wind is a'blowin'.

154 brent  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:12:48pm

131 Richard / Hypocrisy


"If they would have done that while I was there, I'd have started swinging.... " loose quote

So it's OK to hit strangers as a way of expressing your views, but you better not spill your drink while you're at it - that type of behaviour is erratic and repressive.


Wheeeee, that's some high powered reasoning going down......

155 Someone took my name!  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:13:15pm

Wow, Sharon insults France, Norway wants to ban Islam, this hag got kicked out of her own concert... looks like people are finally starting to show some backbone. 'Bout damn time.

156 Keelie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:13:22pm

#20 - Kaymad

Not banned... Just free speech and its consequences, for better or for worse...

157 IdeaLover  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:14:07pm

#67, 73, 78, 93:

I know that the meaning of Michael Moore's popularity is that the left simply doesn't care about honesty or facts, and that these days, they don't care who knows it.

But that is still so bizarre to me that I shudder to think of what must be going on (or maybe not going on) inside a lefty's head.

If believing in pacifism requires living in a bubble, sheltered from the real world, then what does believing in "Mooreism" require? Are all these people having LSD flashbacks?

Moore's films are clearly not documentaries, and even as the film equivalent of op-eds they're abysmally bad: op-eds have to be _honest_ opinions, and they have to contain at least _some_ actual ideas.

I guess the silver lining here is that if Moore is the best the left has to offer, they are _through_, and we should just hope they keep producing more of the same.

Mark Peters

158 Thousand Sons  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:16:02pm

This is for all the idiots in the Entertainment industry.

I want entertainment, for Zod's sake! Not political commentary from Hollyweird whores.

In the words of Santa from "The Narrator that Ruined Christmas":

"It's not about you, douchebag, no one needs your self-important grandstanding! Don't you see? You showbiz types are just trying to shift the focus away from the crisis and onto yourselves. You're an entertainer. It's a simple job, OK? Do a dance, show us your boobs and make us happy, monkey!"

We know you're important
with thoughts in your head
BUt its hard for us to take it!
So get back in your cage
Paint your ass red
And shake, shake, shake it!

159 Paul  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:16:46pm

I could have been better, Linda could have had Whoopi Goldberg as a surprise walk-on before she launched into her political rant.

Linda, like Whoopi, doesn't understand the give and take of political speech. You can say what you want, but you have to be prepared to take criticism, even unfair criticism, in return. Somehow people in the entertainment business don't seem to understand this. They believe that they can say anything they want and there should be no consequences (other than adoring applause).

160 Ral  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:17:11pm

Paging Sir Elton lol

161 scaramouche  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:17:27pm

OT: Why is this man still smiling?

162 PostalWorker  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:17:46pm

#63 Dan Kauffman

You've been trolled. ;)

#98 NY Nana

I'm loving it that Arnie won't apologize.


Evolution's Eve - LOL you still got the bait girl.

163 norar  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:18:37pm

I hope Alladin sues her for endorcing an enterntainment product, which MM's film certainly is, an activity that must be outside her contract with Alladin.

164 C-Low  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:19:43pm

158 Thousand Sons 7/19/2004 02:16PM PST
This is for all the idiots in the Entertainment industry.
"It's not about you, douchebag, no one needs your self-important grandstanding! Don't you see? You showbiz types are just trying to shift the focus away from the crisis and onto yourselves. You're an entertainer. It's a simple job, OK? Do a dance, show us your boobs and make us happy, monkey!"

Missed the movie but thats the Freekin best qoute Ive heard all day. I may have to go rent the Santa show now.

165 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:20:01pm

#151 Stormi

knock knock

Excuse me ma'am.....Large cheese pizza for ya....:-P

166 The Continental  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:20:38pm

#91

Why pay to see F/911 when you can watch it streamed here for free?

;-)

[Link: vatt.dotnet17.hostbasket.com...]

^^^ Windows Media Player file

167 Sean  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:21:17pm

The audience was exercising its right to free speech.

Deal with it Linda.

168 coastygirl  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:21:24pm

#125 zombie
I was just thinking about that, one of my favorite all American, and for the most part unchanged (except for the generations) places in Seattle is a diner/bar called The Mecca. Nothing Arabic about it.
I think there was a time when such things were romanticised.

169 freedomsound  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:21:27pm

This was clearly a violation of Linda Ronstadts 1st Amendment rights! Are we that afraid of rational, political discourse that we must turn into animals?

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go make plans to disrupt the Republican National Convention in NYC.

170 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:22:27pm

Hi, Kevin.

I was looking up some minutiae, and accidentally came across this 1979 Newsweek Article on Looney Ronstadt and Governor Moonbeam Which includes a prescient photo of LR touching the bottom of a baby camel.

Some quotes are choice:

Brown once confessed that he couldn't marry Linda because it would cost him the White House. That wasn't exactly a Duke of Windsor approach to love, but then Linda had admitted to experimenting with grass and to using so much cocaine that she had to have her nose cauterized twice.
As for Linda Ronstadt, what a historic achievement to have a self-made woman presiding over the White House.
171 D.C. Law  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:23:30pm

151 - Flashing Dominos drivers? I get the sense that must have been something to see....

172 William  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:23:37pm

Well done.  She exercised her free speech, and the audience exercised theirs.

Big Loser Whoopi Goldberg exercised her free speech last week, and then whined afterwards when she got booted from SlimFast that "in this country we value free speech without consequences."

Well, only the first part is guaranteed, not the last part.

Every action has consequences.  To verify, tell your boss his mother is uglier than a bulldog.

You can say so freely -- just don't expect to have a job afterwards.
 

173 ted  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:24:32pm

Two washed up has beens, Whoopi and Ronstadt....Both truly thought they could insult the intelligence of " the little people"

Slobs both....

174 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:25:02pm

Not to digress into playground antics, but how funny is it when a liberal threatens to drop some hammers on an obviously non-liberal concert crowd.

I give you two words, burley and pussie.

Which one do you equate with the democratic party and which one with the Republicans? I'm thinking Christians versus the Lions here if the couch warriors ever get feeling a little too snippy with the gun toatin cowboy crowd.

175 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:25:03pm

165 RWC

How glad I am that you did not bring the pepperoni.

176 Renna  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:25:47pm
using so much cocaine that she had to have her nose cauterized twice.

Well there you go folks. No wonder she thinks MM is brilliant. She done burned up all her brain cells.

177 Sean  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:27:01pm

I tried four possible combinations of email addresses at the Aladdin domain.

bill.timmins@aladdincasino.com is the one that postmaster@aladdincasino.com didn't bounce.

Whaddya think?

178 David Simon  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:27:16pm

#152 Kevin Shook -

If I spouted out my political beliefs to the clients I work with, I know that I would find my ass without a job.

Exactly. Which is why professionals shouldn't make provocative comments in a business setting, Little Richard. Ronstadt was paid to sing, not shove her liberal political beliefs down the audience's throats.

1st Amendment right, my ass.

179 paxnhymn  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:29:14pm

Moore & Ronstadt.....hmmmm....two pigs in pod!!!

180 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:29:18pm

#16 gymnast

Gov. Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) and Linda were not a couple, they were "beards."

They were friends, and traveled together, but, well, you know... They are not "the marrying kind."

Actually, despite her politics, I understand that Linda is a reasonably nice person and probably feels like crap right now. Jerry, oddly, turned into an effective mayor of Oakland -- but is a moonbeam.

The current "Governator" is facing a real crisis -- trying to pull necessary public services out of his hat while holding the line on taxes. It may not be possible, especially in higher education. Moonbeam my give him a go at the next election.

181 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:29:58pm

171 D.C. Law

Flashing Dominos drivers? I get the sense that must have been something to see....

Well, I can't speak to that, but I do know that the next four times we (houseful of wild college girls) ordered pizza from that place we got the same delivery guy. That had never happened before.

182 Globular Cluster  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:30:52pm

Fucking awesome!

183 reaganite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:30:59pm

#102 Furious J

"The last thing I want to say is, 'I'm a victim', but I am. I believe it's a trickledown from Bush "


RWC, I am disappointed in you that you would let such an easy one go by...

Have you seen a picture of Courtney Love? "...trickledown from Bush" Maybe she should wash once in a while.

As for tubby LR, good riddance!

184 foreign devil  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:31:11pm

LUV IT!!! Good for them and good for the manager. This is the first time one of these Hollynuts has had the reaction first hand rather than torrents of email or letters. (Ooops! I guess the Dixie Chicks got their review first-hand, sorry!)

This is sooooo coooool! Too bad cause I used to like her singing, especially with Aaron Neville. Oh well. Easy come, easy go! Bye-bye Linda!

185 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:32:34pm

Hey Hollywood: Freedom of speech works two ways.
Funny - all uber-libs do NOT get this. She will probably join the chorus of frogs saying it's "a climate of fear" and
"the republican attack machine is out to silence me" blah blah blah.

I'ts nice to see ordinary Americans standing up for truth rather than sheepling up to the elites.

Too bad about Linda - I used to like her. Another one bites the dust.

186 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:32:49pm

OT -- PCUSA

Rotten break for the Presbyterian Church USA. Just when they finally figure out who's behind all the evil in the world something unexpected happens and throws a wrench into their analysis. Yes, they spared no expense to get to the bottom of the international situation before blaming Israel for everything -- checked it out a couple of times. And now this:

Pastor Assassinated While Preaching In Central Sulawesi

Rev. Susianty Tinulele of the Presbyterian Christian Church of Central Sulawesi (GKST) in Palu was shot dead while speaking from the pulpit during the 6.00 p.m. service on Sunday 18th July.


Who knew?

187 William  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:33:28pm
Need to see F 9/11 in order to better argue with LLLs?

Plan A) Go see it, but pay for another movie to get in.

That's pure genius.
 

188 Roll-aid  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:33:33pm

From The Las Vegas Sun, via Drudge:

Her performance was uninspired and generally flat. She lacked stage presence, doing little more than sleepwalk from song to song. The fiasco at the end was the most exciting part of the show.

Maybe the audience was kinda in a pissy mood anyway. By the time LR got to her political speech, it pushed people over the edge.

Also, from the Sun:

Some of them reportedly defaced posters of her in the lobby, writing comments and tossing drinks on her pictures.

No mention of throwing drinks in the show itself.

Las Vegas Sun

189 hans ze beeman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:33:45pm

Yeah! How many lizards were present?

190 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:34:12pm

Oi! Reaganite!

191 reaganite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:36:28pm

#190 Stormi
Come on, Courtney Love gives skanks a bad rep!

192 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:37:26pm

Never forget that:
BOOING IS FREE SPEECH!

Elton John is a complete moron and total idiot.,
We the people have every right to say no to holywood elites who say things we don't agree with.

oh -wait -I must be part of the evil Republican administration.

The left have gone mad, & they don't understand the criticism works both ways.

193 John B  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:37:46pm

Re: #47 Evolutions

I was looking for your sarcasm tag and then realized that you are serious. The right to freedom of speech doesn't include the right to bamboozle people into paying for overpriced tickets and then harangueing the audience with your political views. The audience excercised their collective right to free speech as well and she got tossed out on her keister.

Also #95 Richard

Both you and Evolutions (above) would do well to remember Elvis Presley in an interview he gave when performing in Las Vegas (I would guess about 1969-70 approx.) The interviewer kept pressing him on his views about Vietnam and he kept responding politely that he was only an entertainer and wasn't qualified, nor would it be appropriate for him, to offer his opinion in public on such matters. People came to hear him sing.

194 Richard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:38:26pm

My comment about "start swinging" was meant in the vein that when people in a crowd start acting a fool, I will protect myself, and try to stop destrucion, not just start popping people upside the head.

Look, why is so hard to understand that regardless of how fucking dumb Ronstadt might be, people who react by destroying stuff are obnoxious. Same kind of people as the morons who riot at a Guns n' Roses concert and destroy the arena. So what if it was not a great amount of damage? The mentality is the same, and people who react to a recomendation to see a movie the don't want to see by throwing ANYTHING are simply ASSHOLES.

So how about agreeing to this thought: The audience and the performer are both the same- FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.

195 reaganite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:38:52pm

#193 John B
*Pssst* Evolutions Eve is a froll.

196 john5z  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:38:58pm

#186 Luigi:

I guess they didn't get the message that they were allies. Or can any christian church really be allies with the [bigoted word]s. Maybe just assistants - and better pay their dhimmi dues.


Hi Reaganite - Hope you finally found a drinking thread Friday night.

197 Thousand Sons  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:40:20pm

#164 C-Low

Missed the movie but thats the Freekin best qoute Ive heard all day. I may have to go rent the Santa show now.

Even better, you can check it out online!

The Narrator that Ruined Christmas

198 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:42:15pm

191 reaganite

Um... OK. I don't like Courtney Love, I swear. I was just sayin hi. Don't yell at me please.

199 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:42:21pm

Richard, while I agree that destroying things wasn't the preferred solution, that fact that they loudly protested that dumb bitch is just fantastic. The point you are missing, however, is that the one person who had the most at stake from the destruction is the owner of the Alladin, and unless I'm missing something, he didn't have a problem.

200 john5z  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:43:15pm

#194 Richard:

Check out the movie "The Blues Brothers." Some audiencies throw drinks when they're happy or pissed off.

Last year James Brown played at the Hollywood Bowl and asked for a minute of silence for our troops. Some guy mouths off. James totally took him to task and guess what, even in Hollywood people supported James supporting our troups.

201 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:43:15pm

196 john5z

better pay their dhimmi dues.


They are, dude.

202 azul93gt  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:44:13pm

#121 Jack Burton 7/19/2004 01:58PM PST

The Constitution is a living document (except the IInd Amendment). You're too narrowly reading the bill of rights. The unqualified free speech of your uber-lib Showfolk is obviously emanating from the penumbra in there somewhere.[/SARC]

203 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:44:36pm
My comment about "start swinging" was meant in the vein that when people in a crowd start acting a fool, I will protect myself, and try to stop destrucion, not just start popping people upside the head.

Richard, may I suggest you actually take a few minutes and read the article instead of hyperventilating about what didn't happen?

204 Furious J  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:45:01pm
So how about agreeing to this thought: The audience and the performer are both the same- FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.

Analysis: A fading pop-star with a coke-addled brain makes an unsolicited pitch to a paying audience touting the virtues of an agitprop con-artist and urging people to purchase his anti-American screed is the same as a patriotic audience forcefully rejecting said pitch for agit-prop con artist's anti-American screed.

Verdict:
Moral Equivalence: DENIED

205 Vegas Infidel (the worst kind)  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:45:09pm

At some point, “celebrities” are going to have to realize that they are there to entertain people, and that’s it. They are nothing but dancing monkeys. We do not need or want their opinions about anything; we want them to sing, and then, STFU.

Richard, I’m not buying what you’re sellin’. And if you ever see me in Vegas throwing my drink in the air, stay the f*** away from me or I will definitely censor you, “big time.”

206 Renna  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:45:36pm

A quick search of zip code 89***, in and about Vegas, on fundrace.org reveals that the CEO and chair of Mirage dropped 25 thou on the RNC. No mention of Timmins either way. Andre Agassi, however, spent his 23 thou on the DNC.

207 J. Lichty  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:45:42pm

It is really not a big deal for Ronstadt, I am sure that her message will be welcome in Branson, MO.

208 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:46:27pm

#6 TMF

That's when she jumped the shark.

Sheesh, I thought she had retired. As Laura Ingraham would say, "Shut Up And Sing!".

209 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:49:35pm

Right now Michael Medved is discussing this topic on radio.

210 Crusader  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:50:02pm

Richard:

Sorry, but "No Sale".

The article made no mention of arrests nor of any complaints AGAINST THE AUDIENCE by the management of the Aladdin.

If THEY don't have an issue with the audience, and the authorities don't have an issue with the audience, I don't either.

211 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:51:41pm

Yes! Annoying day at work, and I come home to a good story - smiling now. The silent majority is starting to seethe! Good!

Evolutions Eve:
Caught me once, but not this time-:)
Try Massengill...

Richard:
Wrong thread, or possibly wrong blog for you?

212 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:51:57pm

The "doughy diva"?

Priceless, Charles, priceless.

I remember when she was a babe (early to mid '70s).

213 D-Fens  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:52:31pm
Verdict:
Moral Equivalence: DENIED


You tell em, J. Now we know what the J stands for. Here comes the judge, here comes the judge.
/flip wilson

214 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:53:18pm

Looks like this story has legs.

215 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:54:37pm

From the July 15th Night & Day centerpiece of the San Diego Union Tribune

"My careed has befuddled other people and it's befuddled me" admitted Ronsdadt, 58, who finds her fans are polarized by her nightly on-stage salute to "Farenheit 9/11" filmmaker Micheal Moore.
"I've been dedicating a song to him- I think he's a great patriot- and it splits the audience down the middle, and they duke it out," she said.
"This is an election year, and I think we're in desperate trouble and it's time for people to speak up and not pipe down. It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundemental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment, I'd rather not know."

Translation: "I'd rather not know, but I'll provoke a reaction by lavishing praise on the Pillsbury Agit-Prop Boy"

216 BH  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:56:34pm

#207 J. Lichty

It is really not a big deal for Ronstadt, I am sure that her message will be welcome in Branson, MO.

WTF? Is this sarcasm? They would have escorted her to the city limits in Branson. With torches.

217 Crusader  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:59:45pm

216 BH:

I wish she WOULD try that act in Branson!

And if she survived it, I'd pay to watch her try it at 6 Flags over Texas!

218 Beagle  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 12:59:55pm

#89 Rednek

Great article! It's hard for me to worry about "global warming" when the mechanisms for plunging us back into an ice age or worse are well known.

The temperature (between ice ages) goes up a half degree (maybe) and the loony left wants to end industry in the civilized world and send it all to China.

Linda,

You ignorant bitch. If people cared about your politics they would elect you to something. Or, as stated above in a book title, "Shut Up and Sing." I REALLY don't care what ANYONE in Hollywood has to say, unless that person is NOT in the entertainment industry.

We've all heard what Hollywood has to offer. Now, I wish they would put the whole star under the walk of fame. "Just pour that concrete right in on Tim Robbins' head....." "Martin Sheen, sure, plenty of room for him too."

219 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:00:26pm

#215 Fenway_Nation:

It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundemental Christian.


What?! So only Republicans and "fundamental" Christians are the only ones who love this country?
She's conflicted?
WTF.

220 csva  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:01:53pm

This is so sweet!!! And I love how moonbats say her free speech has been crushed- what a bunch of garbage.

221 piglet  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:02:52pm

Maybe she was lulled into a false sense by the middle eastern atmosphere of the aladdin:

1.“Oh, I come from a land
2.From a faraway place
3.Where the caravan camels roam.
4.Where they cut off your ear
5.If they don’t like your face
6.It’s barbaric, but hey, it’s home.”
222 letsgosurf  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:03:24pm

You can book me a room at the Alladin next time I'm in Vegas.

223 lone star  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:03:36pm

I'm old fashioned, but can anyone say " America, Love it or Leave it" (circa Viet Nam era I believe)

Next time I go to LV...the Aladdin's for me

224 Globular Cluster  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:04:00pm
Yeah! How many lizards were present?

Han z beeman where you been baby!!!!

225 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:04:09pm

#215 Fenway_Nation:

"I've been dedicating a song to him

Which one?

"You're no good, you're no good..."?

226 jrdroll  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:05:04pm

To our collectivist friends: There is no such thing as a "free" speech.

227 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:05:59pm
What?! So only Republicans and "fundamental" Christians are the only ones who love this country?

No, apparently they hate it and are preventing America from becoming the glorious worker's paradise that they truly aspire for it to be.

228 daNightman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:06:11pm

Sounds like this Timmins fellow is a real class act.

As for Linda, well, there's some advice from the late great Man in Black, Johnny Cash, she should have taken to heart.

I think it goes like this.


Practice your harmony and diction,
learn your lessons well,
and if you have any political convictions...
keep them to yourself

229 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:07:18pm

OT -- Times Israel Coverage

The good news is the New York Times is rotating out James Bennet from the Israel beat after 3 years of biased coverage. The bad news is he'll probably be replaced with someone much worse, given today's climate of ever-increasing anti-israel media. Here's Bennet's farewell, filtered through the lens of the invaluable Timeswatch.org

Bennet's Bye-Bye to Israel: Dreaming of a Palestinian State

230 Bleeding heart conservative  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:10:31pm

Parody: This was originally a Roy Orbison song, but it was hit for Ronstadt:
Blew By You

Linda, I feel so bad you lost your gig in Vegas
I’m so hungry in my penthouse suite
Since you praised my huge behind, the truth blew by you

Hording hundreds, paying dimes, slinging crap ’till the sun don’t shine
Looking forward to happier times? The truth blew by you
I’m getting fat all day come what may truth blew by you
Where I sleep all day and the media display how truth blew by you

All those Casinos with their limousines if I could only see
That familiar rich payout through engorged eyes, how happy I’d be

Go to see my movie again
And be with some of my friends
Maybe I’d be happy then cuz truth blew by you

I’m getting fat all day, gonna stay cuz truth blew by you
Where the Palme dor is mine and the lies are mine oh it blew by you
Oh, Linda mine blather by my side the silver dollar inn has an evening aside
Oh, some sweet day gonna buy an oil well on the side
I’ll never be blue, my dreams have come true, cuz truth blew by you

231 PostalWorker  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:10:39pm

#228 daNightman

And the one on the right is in the middle
and the one in the middle is on the left
and the one on left is on the right,
and the guy in the rear
burned his driver's license (musta been anarchist)

232 Globular Cluster  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:10:45pm

#229 Luigi

I can't believe the media whore piece Bennet wrote this weekend.

Who can possibly be worse?

233 ted  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:12:45pm

Anyone think Ronstadt still tootin' the white stuff ?

Sure
Looks like it to me...

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

234 Thousand Sons  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:13:33pm

#225 Ann
#215 Fenway_Nation

I've been dedicating a song to him

Why, so have I!

"When the show is just a-pallin'
There's a man you should be callin'
That's KL5-4796,
Let it ring!"

"Michael Moore is a loser,
And I think he is a boozer,
So you better make that call to the Liz' King!"

UUUUURP!
/barney

235 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:14:33pm

232 Globular Cluster

He was actually an improvement over the one they have before (name escapes me).

236 mudmarine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:17:10pm

This is great news! I do hope it is an indicator of sorts.

#215 Fenway_Nation

"It's a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundemental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment, I'd rather not know."

How the hell does she walk down the street, she must be in eternal conflict. Doesn’t she know that we're everywhere.

237 quesnay  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:19:42pm

# 47

Nobody denied Linda Ronstadt's freedom of speech. She chose to politicize her performance and the paying customers did not like that part of her act and as a result was booted out.

238 Dave the.....  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:20:47pm

#211

I see the backlash against Moore and the looney Hollywood left in full swing.

Some people credit the Nixons election success to a backlash against the unwashed, poorly shaven, anti-US hippy freaks of that time.

Perhaps Moore is the best thing that could happen to GW Bush. Just ask Daschle if he now regrets huggin Moore.

239 azul93gt  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:21:23pm

Richard,

From my own experience with DJ'ing and promoting events; if a performer does something to cause a near riot (an exageration in this case) you're going to have to hold the performer partially responsible for whatever damage occurred.

240 Cybrludite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:22:36pm

Mudmarine,

"How the hell does she walk down the street, she must be in eternal conflict. Doesn’t she know that we're everywhere."

This is a Limosine Liberal we're talking about here. She doesn't walk anywhere...

241 scaramouche  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:25:02pm

OT: Intidada turns on Arafat.

About bloody time.

242 scaramouche  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:26:57pm
243 mudmarine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:27:01pm

240 Cybrludite

"This is a Limosine Liberal we're talking about here. She doesn't walk anywhere... "

LOL. Your right, how could I forget.

244 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:30:18pm

#236 mudmarine:
Hi Bud!

How the hell does she walk down the street, she must be in eternal conflict. Doesn’t she know that we're everywhere.


Maybe that's why she, and people who think like her feel that they must "protest too much"?
They bleat, and get ignored... to a point.

245 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:33:02pm

#183 reaganite

Sorry my friend. I have been away from the computer for a while ;-)

246 jrdroll  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:33:30pm

#241
The fish bowl of Arafish is imploding. BAH WA HOWEY

247 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:35:39pm

#245 RWC:
Work comes first, of course! ;)

248 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:39:37pm
249 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:39:52pm
Doesn’t she know that we're everywhere.

Good point, but you left out the sinister laughter....

250 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:40:23pm

247 Ann

Hold your tongue, woman!

Work! Pshah!

251 WV.Hillbilly  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:40:41pm

233,
Look at the date on that photo. It's almost 20 years old.
The only thing she's tooting now is too many twinkies.

You'd need a truck scale to weigh her now.

252 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:42:10pm
253 LthrNck  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:42:22pm

Kerry aide: Bush 'flat-out lied' on Iraq

I'm getting sick of this trash. Nobody blinked an eye when Comrade Clinton launched missile strikes on Iraq in order to "degrade Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program and related delivery systems..." as quoted by the office of the White House press secretary. When is anybody going to call these bastards to task? The same intel was used to justify those attacks in 1998. I don't recall hearing the good senator carping about it then. What a bunch of sick, disgusting bags of monkey dung. I need a beer...

254 axiom  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:44:08pm

Ahmed Quriea has resigned. Another Abu Arafat is an Abu Hasbeen.

255 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:45:56pm

#248 Rayra:
These people, given an audience to hear them sing feel that the audience also cares about their social views.
They don't.
Go on Larry King.

256 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:47:48pm

#153 Renna,

I've not read the News Sentinel since early 2002. They ran a particularly vile anti-Semitic screed against Israel, and I called up their Op-Ed guy and left a particularly obscene and screaming rant in his voice-mail in response :-)

I haven't bought a copy since (not even Sunday papers for the coupons).

257 freedomsound  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:47:54pm

#95 Richard 7/19/2004 01:43PM PST

If I were at a concert when this happened, I would start swinging...

Now that I would've paid to see.

258 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:48:15pm

#247 Ann

Away from the computer doesn't mean, ummm, what was that word ???

Had to take a walk, was getting s.l.e.e.p.y.

259 Barbara Skolaut  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:49:25pm

Hot double damn! You go, Alladin!

This makes my day. :-p

260 Owl  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:50:14pm

Dan Patterson, I like the way you think. Well, what can I expect from a fellow Southerner I guess. ;)

As for Sir Homosexual, he wouldn't know LIBERTY if I ran him over in mine(Jeep Liberty that is)! What a bunch of nonsense he's spouting.

LLL - You must listen to my records.
You must listen to my political views.
You must not stop buying my records because you hate my views.
You must not leave now...hey....HEY...WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE ALL GOING?!?!?! I have my RIGHTS !!!!!


Can I do it? Can I ?


BWWWWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA


:)
owl

261 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:50:23pm
262 Frank IBC  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:51:19pm

Didn't she sing Cojones de Mi Padre?

263 [Mark]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:52:19pm

Linda's very upset now. She missed out the comped buffet, and she's really hungry.

264 Bleeding heart conservative  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:52:32pm

Sob! I guess the parody sucked.
sigh.

265 PIGLET  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:53:45pm
Before singing Desperado for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush.


Was this her greatest hits show with a full orchestra?
Not exactly a rage against the machine type crowd she must have had, duh! Must have been funny, hope someone taped it.


Yes michael moore is the real patriot...

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses?
You been out ridin' fences for so long now.
Oh, you're a hard one,
but I know that you've got your reasons.
These things that are pleasin' you
can hurt you somehow.


266 Kay  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:54:01pm

Excellent.

267 john5z  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:55:20pm

OT, Memri reports:

"Syrian Newspaper Hints: Saddam Better Off Committing Suicide"

The newspaper doesn't specifically say suicide, just gives examples of other failed leaders who did. Maybe they should send a copy to Arafish

268 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:57:06pm

Rayra

I thank you ever so much for your friday silliness. I truly believe that monday air causes cancer. As proof, I direct you to 20 years worth of Garfield comic strips. But who needs proof? That's how I feeeeeeeeeeel.

269 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:58:31pm

#207 J. Lichty,

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

Oh, she'd get a welcome in Branson. It'd most likely involve a rope and a tree, but it would be a most memorable welcome :-)

270 Warthog  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:00:38pm

I am very glad to hear that the Alladin crowd responded so viscerally. It indicates to me that the heart of America is still beating strongly despite the relentless attack from an increasingly mean-spiritied left on the character attributes that Americans have valued most for many generations.

271 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:03:19pm

#258 RWC:
Yes, I understand :-)

Had to take a walk, was getting s.l.e.e.p.y
272 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:06:12pm

#268 Stormi:
Um, how long until you can leave work? I felt the same way today:)
Home...

273 GT Charlie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:06:22pm

#82 Judith

"When Will I Be Loved" is not, I repeat, not an LR song. It was written and sung by the Everly Brothers, and I like the original quite a bit better than her version.

GTC

274 mudmarine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:06:37pm

244 Ann

Hi back at ya.

This is a somewhat embarrassing confession, but in the interest of full disclosure I must admit that through a wedding, a brother-in-law and a couple of cousins, I am somewhat, in a remote and miniscule way, and not that she even knows my name, connected to LR.

Oh, the shame. Unfortunately, a majority of the family feels the same as she. And, sadly, as they (the family) do have a certain influence in my city, they do get listened to.

275 Stormi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:08:53pm

272 Ann

It's 1:00 in the morning here. I've been home from work for an age, 7 hours or so. I just spit and piss and moan when that nasty word is mentioned.

276 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:09:50pm

POOR POOR PITIFUL ME
-Linda Ronstadt


Poor poor pitiful me, poor poor pitiful me
Oh these boys won't let me be, Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me


Well I met a man down in Hollywood, now I ain't namin' names
He really worked me over good, just like Jesse James
Yes he really worked me over good, he was a credit to his gender
Put me through some changes Lord, sorta like a Wareing blender

277 Cam  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:11:01pm

Furious J:

LOL. Everytime I see a pic of moonbat maestro Jerry Brown, I'm reminded of the old DK tune:

I am governor Jerry Brown, my aura smiles and never frowns...

;-)

278 Model4  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:11:43pm

I can't help thinking that "Booted from Vegas" doesn't quite have the same cachet as "Banned in Boston."

279 Glen Wishard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:18:09pm

The last Linda Ronstadt fan on earth wrote:

I just think the audience behavior was despicable, and I can't believe how many people in this forum cheer it on.

Oh, get off it. The next time she performs somewhere, all they have to do is put up a chicken-wire barrier to keep her from getting hit with a beer bottle, and she'll be fine.

280 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:19:30pm

#274 mudmarine:
I have an LLL acquaintance that is now disrupting a very accepting group of people that we have hung out with for over 10 years. She cannot discuss, she must preach, and convert by intimidation. Sound familiar?
I do feel that these hysterical people must know that they are not thinking logically. They are just too frightened to face the fact that that their happy little world is threatened by a real evil. They must invent a safer evil - our government, its history, and any failure that can be found.
It's sad, but reality.
I just want to get one of those monkey statues of "See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil".

281 MichTO  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:23:03pm

I think that Ms. Ronstadt is a twit who found out that freedom of speech cuts both ways, and it's a wonderful thing that it does.

However, it seems to me that nasty comments about her weight ("doughy", "missed the buffet", etc.) are out of line. It is well-known that she has a thyroid disorder (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis), and her weight is likely due to that fact.

282 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:24:51pm

#279 Glen Wishard:
LOL! Blues Brothers...:)

283 Andy in Agoura Hills  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:26:34pm

Hmmm.... Richard may have a point.

What if Rondstadt said that GWB is a great patriot and deserves re-election. And some members of this virtual audience behaved exactly like the actual audience in the story. I would venture to guess that the LGF audience here would have the same feelings as Richard.

284 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:27:18pm

Totally OT personal rant.


Damn, Damn, Damn:

Cranked up the old creaky Denon amp to teach the obviously deaf idiot upstairs that I don't want to listen to her music (have asked her twice on other occasions to turn it down), and how would she like some NIN, and I blew the damned fuse. Got it cranked up pretty good before meltdown tho. Presently quiet up there.

Damn!!!!

OK, I'm done.

285 piglet  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:30:07pm

[Link: www.seboots.com...]

Is that Michael Moore singing next to Emmylou Harris?

286 jinnderella  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:32:09pm

I think you guys are all celebrating a tad prematurely-- look at the demographics-- La Ronstadt is what, 58? What are the demographics of her conservative, vacationing, middle-aged, middle-class cauc audience? Of course she got booed.

I was at the Warped Tour yesterday. Believe me, Mike Al-Moor wasn't getting any boos there. This is what ubertwit canadienne pit Tour reporter "Meghan" has to say:

I had the opportunity on my day off to see Fahrenheit 911, the film by Michael Moore. This movie should be seen by every American before they vote in the next presidential election. The lies that have been fed to the American public for the last four years are absolutely ridiculous. Its so important now, more than ever, that we all rally together and vote in the election in November. If you are going to be 18 by November 5 and you are not registered to vote, stop by the Punkvoter.com booth, talk to Kevin and get registered. Seeing this movie made me think how lucky Canadians are to not live in America. It was quite the experience seeing this movie in Canada, and knowing that the Canadians think that Americans are idiots. Needless to say I was a little riled up on my day off.


How many people are seeing the Warped Tour as opposed to Ronstadt? And what are their demographics? Sixteen to thirty, I'd say, and those beings are going to be voting for years!!!

287 piglet  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:32:24pm

second times a charm

[Link: www.seboots.com...]


[Link: www.seboots.com...]

288 Thousand Sons  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:32:36pm

#284 Sarah D.

Ha ha!

You rock my world, girl!

NWO by Ministry has the same effect, BTW.

289 Bleeding heart conservative  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:32:36pm

#280 That was more profound than you may know

290 Daybrother  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:34:44pm

#212 Ward Cleaver   

The "doughy diva"?
Priceless, Charles, priceless.
I remember when she was a babe (early to mid '70s).

The truth is, up close and personal, she was never a babe.

Richard:

My comment about "start swinging" was meant in the vein that when people in a crowd start acting a fool, I will protect myself, and try to stop destrucion, not just start popping people upside the head.

Bullshit. That's not what you meant at all. Do you think everyone is as stupid as you?

There'll be giggling in Clovis tonight. My favorite? "Adios"

291 Crusader  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:34:52pm

#288: Thousand Sons

Ministry *rocks*!

292 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:35:19pm

#284 Sarah D.

If you don't mind me asking,....where..the..hell..do..you..live ???

293 jinnderella  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:38:43pm

Reaganite, Stormi-- Courtney KILLED Kurt!!! :(

Sarah D., Thousand Sons-- Trent rules, but Ministry is GOING TO TOUR THIS YEAR!!!!

294 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:40:13pm

#283 Andy in Agoura Hills:
Yes, I just bought tickets to a Toby Keith concert!
Can't wait to be around some folks who are grateful for the life that they have been able to have...

so far.

Off to choose my dinner (Blue Fin tuna, out of the Chesapeake yesterday), make my coffee for tomorrow, go to a job that I chose, hang out with a man that I have chosen to share my life with, get my clothes ready that I choose, and watch Fox, that I choose. I have a computer that I chose, two cats that I choose to care for, and I love the fact that I can choose LGF to learn from.

Yes, life is good, for me.

What is wrong with yours?

295 Crusader  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:40:44pm

#293 jinnderella:

Given Courtney's apparent implosion, I'm beginning to think it may have been the other way around--Curt killed Courtney.

296 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:42:03pm

#292 RWC

In the crappiest, white/black/hispanic/muslim trash filled shithole in Tampa Bay.

I had no idea that to be poor it was a given that you also had to be a self-centered, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug-dealing, thieving, pimping, and whoring piece of crap.

I now know different.

297 RickZ  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:42:48pm

# 281 MichTO:

However, it seems to me that nasty comments about her weight ("doughy", "missed the buffet", etc.) are out of line. It is well-known that she has a thyroid disorder (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis), and her weight is likely due to that fact.

Alright. We'll just stick to "has-been." As in "Linda has been through the buffet line twice already." Sorry, couldn't resist.

I did see her in college, in '75, as the opening act for The Eagles. Now you want to talk about an ugly reception!

298 GT Charlie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:42:55pm

#228 daNightman

Thank you!

Searching "practice your harmony and diction" and "Cash" I found the following;
Cash knows bashin doesn't pay.
This is excellent advise, and I'm going to add that song to my repertory.

GTC (refuses to pronounce or spell french words correctly)

299 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:45:28pm

Glen Wishard

The last Linda Ronstadt fan on earth wrote

LOL!

Ann (#294)

Great post.

300 Max Darkside  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:45:58pm

FAN-FLIPPIN'-TASTIC !!!

I'm goin' the Aladdin next time to blow my "stockpile" of cash.

301 Shinken  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:47:33pm

More to this story than is being reported on the front pages of the funny papers.


In an interview with the R-J's Mike Weatherford before the show, Ronstadt said with a laugh: "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."


[Link: www.reviewjournal.com...]

Why does everyone's coverage leave out this fact? Are they trying to paint conservatives with a broad brush of knee jerk reactionism? I highly doubt it was republican's night at the Alladin. Sounds like she was trying to get herself out of some contractual obligations.

302 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:47:46pm
What if Rondstadt said that GWB is a great patriot and deserves re-election....

YAWN

Pearl Jam
Bruce Springsteen
Black Sabbath
Dave Matthews Band, Jon Bon Jovi, Mary J. Blige, Wyclef Jean, John Mellencamp, John Fogerty
Coldplay
Jadakiss
etc. etc.

And these were the ones I could come up with off the top of my head. Call me when what you describe actually happens.

303 Radian  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:48:39pm

284

I lived in the smallest apartment known to man in school. The moron hippie girls who lived behind me were always up playing bongos until 2am. I asked them at least 3 times to kill it at midnight, class work and all. No luck.

I had this great pioneer surround sound amp with 400w output, so for a week I would kick off Wagner, Hendrix, Bosstones or plug in Full Metal Jacket at 6 am when I left for work before class. It was impossible to sit in the room. That shit stopped quick. And no calls to the police..

304 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:50:21pm

#294 Correction:
Blush. Blue fin from the Canyon, 65 miles east of Ocean City, MD.
It tastes like steak, somehow.

305 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:52:06pm

#303 Radian

Had someone else tell me that faced with the same situation, they plugged in Debbie Does Dallas through the surround in the morning before leaving. Can you imagine what that sounded like full blast at 6AM??

Too funny.

But, I have to get my pre-amp fixed now dangit.

306 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:52:28pm

OT - Arafat and the BBC

Liberals never actually seek to replace fascists with democratically elected leaders, they just ask them to "reform". Whenever you see a liberal call for "reforms" you know they're talking about fascists. Of course, they always give them good press to encourage them to quicken the pace of reforms.

Arafat faces new calls for reform

307 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:52:29pm

#296 Sarah D.

OK, thanks. Don't know what to say after that.....the reason I asked was with your earlier post and a post that you had the other day complaining about your neighbors, was just curious.

308 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:56:15pm

#307 RWC

LOL! It's OK, I don't know what to say either.....other than where they can stick the lease.

Can you tell I'm a little FED UP!!!!!

Hopefully moving within a month.

309 Luigi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:56:47pm

OT - Arafat again

Just one more. This is beautiful, and I must admit I saw it coming. From the same BBC article.:

Kofi Annan said it was essential to restore order following days of violent demonstrations in the Gaza Strip.


The UN is sh*tting a brick their world will be stood on its head is Arafat bites the dust. Kofi, you dawg, why is it so all-fired important to you that "order" is restored? Are you aware of the sort of "order" that has existed there?

310 Dave the.....  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 2:58:07pm

283, 302


I see it as a difference between supporting a legitimate candidate for office, versus spewing hate against someone else.

If Linda would have said "I like John Kerry and think he'd make a good President", fine. You can moan and hiss a little, but no big deal.

But she presented anti-Conservative-American hate by promoting Moore.

311 Elvis  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:00:43pm

Sorry if this was posted already, but I heard on the car radio driving home from work that Elton John will be teaching civics and history courses at a Boston area post-secondary school. You can't make up shit like this.

312 Beagle  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:03:11pm

#302 RIP Ford

Coldplay is probably the best example of intelligent people with good intentions completely missing the boat in terms of information and political thought.

Moby is an otherwise smart and reasonable guy also.

Michael Stipe comes to mind.

All victims of socialist/anarchist/blacbloc/Commie/revolution du jour thought.

313 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:03:44pm

You never know how loathsome celebrities really are inside until they open their maws and start bloviating about political matters. I might have mistook Ronstadt for a decent human being before hearing of this quote.

314 Donna V.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:04:11pm

OT, but an interesting article about the different mindset of Americans and Canucks in today's WSJ Online:
Go Ahead, Call Us Cowboys

315 micaiah  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:06:52pm

Whatever happened to the old saying "what happens in vegas stays in vegas"?

316 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:07:09pm

#312 Beagle

It's the belief in the Utopian dream that blinds them from reality. Having the funds to not worry about real world problems on a daily basis does not help matters, either.

317 [Engineer]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:08:14pm

#296 Sarah D.

I had no idea that to be poor it was a given that you also had to be a self-centered, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug-dealing, thieving, pimping, and whoring piece of crap.

Being poor didn't cause that. Being that way is what makes them poor.

318 hepcat  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:11:54pm

Here in SF, CA, for every ten Hate Bush/No War bumper stickers I see (and there's a ton of them), there's maybe one vote for Kerry sticker. Now, if you drive out of the SF bay area and into the countryside - most of these "hate" bumper stickers disappear.

319 Beagle  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:15:26pm

#296 Sarah D.

I had no idea that to be poor it was a given that you also had to be a self-centered, rude, loud, disrespectful, drug-dealing, thieving, pimping, and whoring piece of crap.

I now know different.

Having a great day?

Apartments vary, that's a certainty.

320 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:16:28pm
321 micaiah  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:16:49pm

#206 Renna,

Timmons, nothing. But Alladin itself has donated a grand to Bush and $250 the RNC.

322 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:18:58pm

#317 [Engineer]

Their being that way is what makes me want to load up with RPG's.

I grew up with bikers, who my snooty side of the family liked to call trash. They didn't know what they were talking about.

323 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:20:05pm

#316 RIP Ford

Having the funds to not worry about real world problems on a daily basis does not help matters, either.


Your making light of the problems that they face. I, for one, am always concerned that my PB&J sandwich arrives at 12:32 pm without the crusts.

Buncha whiners.

324 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:22:11pm

#319 Beagle

Having a great six months.

Sorry, I'm sure none of you want to hear all this. I simply don't have anyone else to rant to.

/complaining off

325 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:25:14pm

#281 MichTO

I have had Hashimoto's Thyroiditis for nearly 15 years. Yes, weight gain is a part of it, but once the diagnosis is made, of Hashimoto's, which is an auto immune disease, or of garden-variety hypothyroidism, the thyroid medication, which usually must be tinkered with by the endocrinologist, till the patient is euthroid (normal TSH results), there is an accompanying weight loss. I must be on Synthroid for the rest of my life, but otherwise it is now totally asymtomatic. I do not honestly think that Hashimoto's causes permanent weight gain.

My TSH level is checked twice a year, and ironically, the meds were increased each time...till I was diagnosed as a Type II diabetic, also. Once I was in control, I have been on the same dose of Synthroid for nearly 8 1/2 years.

There is no medical excuse for her boorish behaviour. Poor judgement from a 'celebrity' is nothing new. They should stick to scripts, as so many of them have foot in mouth disease when they go unscripted.

I don't recall anyone having to use Mrs. Barbara Bush's Graves Disease, which causes far more problems than Hashimoto's, as an excuse for bad behaviour.

326 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:26:41pm

#323 Right Wing Conspirator

I, for one, am always concerned that my PB&J sandwich arrives at 12:32 pm without the crusts.

LOL

You're right, of course. I know I hate it when I can't get my help to clean up a potential crime scene. Good help is so hard to find these days...

327 Right Wing Conspirator  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:26:51pm

#324 Sarah D.

Rant on kiddo....

Venting here may be the deciding factor in keeping you off "COPS." :-P

*and not only you ;-)

328 Glen Wishard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:29:26pm

Andy in Agoura Hills tries to sneak through the LGF perimeter, disguised as a Girl Scout:

What if Rondstadt said that GWB is a great patriot and deserves re-election. And some members of this virtual audience behaved exactly like the actual audience in the story. I would venture to guess that the LGF audience here would have the same feelings as Richard.

Gosh, wouldn't we feel ashamed if that happened. Boy, that would really show us. I'll bet Ani DeFranco is planning to do that at her next concert, just to make us all feel bad.

Do you have any old Linda Ronstadt posters that I can hug while I sob myself to sleep?

329 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:29:37pm
330 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:36:34pm

#327 RWC

That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time.

And somehow that very fact is extremely pathetic.

Thanks ((RWC))

331 Glen Wishard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:40:19pm

#276 RIP Ford:

Just to avoid any confusion, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me" was not written by Linda Ronstadt.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "WRITTEN BY LINDA RONSTADT", unless she's been forging prescriptions for diet pills.

"Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me" was written by the late great Warren Zevon.

332 piglet  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:41:53pm

Hey, at least bikers give toys to needy kids, and when they give, they give big.

[Link: groups.msn.com...]

333 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:43:18pm

#331 Glen Wishard

Sorry, you're probably right. The website I got it from attributed it to her. But, I really know very little about the "artist". :P

334 Oat  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:46:07pm

Ann (#280),

#289 is right: you make a potentially profound point in your post, and I wish that someone would explore/research it further.

I've been a registered democrat for over 20 years now, and I daily read blogs from both the right and the left. Thing is, blogs from the left increasingly leave my stomach tied in knots and a bitter taste in my mouth over the ridiculousness of their claims. Meanwhile, I feel much more at home on blogs like LFG and Instapundit.

I've been trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the party to which had pledged my allegiance for so long. Finally, with your post, Ann, I've found a very compelling explanation.

335 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:48:10pm
336 Glen Wishard  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:50:53pm

#333 RIP Ford:

The website I got it from attributed it to her.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

It's a good thing I'm not writing this at a Linda Ronstadt concert, or I would have just thrown my monitor at her head.

337 Smith Space Technologies  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:53:18pm

Why do people like Linda Ronstadt have to spoil a good thing by opening their mouth? Today's advice for Linda Ronstadt when in doubt, just shut the hell up and have stage fright. Linda Ronstadt has managed to plant a seed for the left lib's to be UN-successful, soon to be poor with facial hair and FAT! Think she will get on her knees and beg to sing again because she is 57 or 58 years old now? I can see it now her on the street with a sign "Will sing for FOOD!"

338 RIP Ford  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:53:22pm

#336 Glen Wishard

LOL

339 mudmarine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 3:56:42pm

Ann

Your 280 post sums it up very well. Especially;

"They are just too frightened to face the fact that that their happy little world is threatened by a real evil."

And, yes, it does sound all too familiar; I confront it every day on a very close and personal level. I think a part of it is that most Americans have never had to face any sort of evil (which is a mostly a good thing of course) or any real threat to their very existence.

Also there are many who are still holding on to the 60's dream of 'peace among all'. Who doesn't want that at bottom? But they fail to understand that sometimes peace can only come through war (Just how smart was Orwell?).

340 Eric Blair  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:00:57pm

I only wish the captive audiences of parents at the nation's commencements would start to react like the Vegas audience you describe. There is always some idiot speaker who thinks this is the perfect time to expound his partisan views (nearly always leftist).

This year, Ken Burns decided that the Yale Commencement Class Day (Barbara Bush, among others, graduating) was the ideal venue for a political rant about the evils of the Bush administration.

All the suburban mums and Wall Street dads gathered to celebrate their kids' accomplishments sat quietly though this, looking like an upscale version of the crowd on an AM subway car, when some obviously deranged person gets on and starts expounding his religious mania.

Here's to Vegas! Sometimes you can't just ignore the lunatics.

341 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:05:01pm

Liberals who are dangerously blind to the real dangers just outside our doors remind me of the guy in the final scene in Animal House screaming "remain calm" while everything goes to hell.

342 reaganite  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:12:26pm

#341 Jack Burton

remind me of the guy in the final scene in Animal House screaming "remain calm" while everything goes to hell.

In full blown hysterics! Perfect example!

343 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:18:31pm

#334 Oat:
I am adopted, so I believe in nurture and nature:
My parents, who I grew up with, were blue-collar Pittsburgh folks. I worshiped my WWII vet Dad. Democrat.
I found my birthparents twenty years ago. Birthfather was the Democratic Chairman of the County that he lived in when he was 20 years old. Met someone on a train - Roosevelt, I think. He died at 87, five years ago.
I have the privilege of registering independent, living in Virginia.
Party loyalty is good, but it can be blind. I feel, for me, that I must vote for the best organization, the best platform, for what is best for America. Not what is best for me. America comes first, not my self-centered interests.
I did not see any difference between Republicans and Democrats in the '90s.
Now I do.

344 Ning the Merciless  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:19:29pm

Add LR to the list of Limo Liberal Lamers.


So nice to know there are fans of good industrial/metal music on this blog. I think the right Skinny Puppy tunes like Fascist Jock Itch can have the desired effects too. Though I think the porno movie idea is funny it may be more liklely to get the cops called. If there is somebody with kids and/or no sense of humor in the building.


Some friends of mine who went to James Madison U. tell of an individual who pointed his speakers out the windows of the dorm while playing a prOno during parents week.

345 Elcid  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:24:16pm

Fuck Linda Ronstadt, hell 08/11 commissioner bob kerrey did, or was that jerry 'moonbeam' brown? Hmmm, maybe both did, AND at the same time.

346 JWM  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:27:41pm

In 1969 or 70 my friends and I went to The Whiskey A Go Go in Hollywood to see some San Francisco hippie band called Fever Tree. They scrubbed, and Linda Ronstadt went on in their place. She was awful. We walked out during her second song. This article made me smile. I got three words for ya' Linda: Ha Ha HA
JWM

347 M. Simon  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:30:31pm

#117 lazytart ,

I take it you are not an average Bible thumping Mississippian?

Good. You just lay back. I'll be glad to do all the work. :-)

Seriously. I think Kerry is very much in trouble. Domestically Bush is a disaster. But we have a war on. Bush wants to fight. He gets my vote.

Then I'm going to work as hard as I can against his domestic policies. Damed if I'm going to substitute the Texas Taliban for the Afghan one.

348 Sojourner  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:30:34pm

Hahahahahahahhaha!!!

Excellent!!

Thanks Zulubaby, that was a spirit lifter!

349 J. Lichty  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:36:12pm

BH:

Yes, I guess that you would call my comment in #207 sarcasm given that Branson is like Vegas run by Ned Flanders. They actually like America in Branson.

350 Oat  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:37:05pm

Ann,

More words of wisdom. Thanks. Yup, my background is somewhat similar to yours--at least, the part about being raised in a staunchly democratic household with a grandfather who was a WWII vet whom I idolized (we buried him three weeks ago; he was 90).

As a registered democrat, I've had a lot of conflicted feelings this campaign season. But I have gone far enough in my thinking to know that Bush is the one to vote for come this November.

As to whatever ties I have to the Left that remain: I keep playing a scene from the original Star Wars movie with one slight variation: "Help us Christopher Hitchens. You're our only hope!" :)

351 chiizzipain  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:43:15pm

Picked this off Reuter's article .

From the interview with R-J's Mike Weatherford :"Before her concert, Ronstadt had laughingly told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that she hoped that the casino performance would be her last.

"I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back," she was quoted as telling the newspaper. "

Apparently she was making snide remarks about Las Vegas, told people not to expect her greatest hits as the billboards promoted a greatest hits show..the billboards promoted her greatest hits and were approved by Ronstadt's people.

Linda did burn her bridges well.

[Link: www.reviewjournal.com...]

352 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:44:24pm

She should consider a gig in France, I'm sure she's receive a warm welcome there. Perhaps she can take Alec Baldwin with her. It's about time he made good on his promise to move there.

353 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:45:30pm

#339 mudmarine:

I think a part of it is that most Americans have never had to face any sort of evil


Yea, 9/11 was just a weird thing, to these folks. Whatever, dude.

Since then, I have talked to a 20 year old college student who fled Nigeria with her parents... amputees all around.
A woman who fled Iran with her parents in 1979. An Afgan-born man who fled with his parents in 1989. A young Saudi pilot who's family fled in 1999. He was quite dismayed that the sniper changed his name to mohammed. Sierra Leone refugee, who found out that his mom was murdered.
Sorry to be so maudlin. The "culture club" must be stopped.

354 jinnderella  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:50:05pm

#344 Ning the Merciless: Yah, but I almost didn't buy the new SP because of the title, but praise the gods I did!! It is emminently danceable. They are on tour right now also.

355 zionistentity  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:56:23pm

#38 rabid fanatic

"When I go to Vegas I'm staying at the Aladdin."

Ditto.

356 M. Simon  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 4:58:07pm

#339,

No one who understands human nature wants peace. Peace is inhuman. What is wanted is civil war. War with rules. Elections votes. No killing. Preferably.

Because of the nature of the alpha male struggle humans can never be at peace for long. We do have a good thing going with ritualized and institutionalized warfare. Elections, courts, judges, lawyers.

What we want to do is avoid the old alpha male forms of the struggle where the losers get killed and their children get sold into slavery.

357 Ann  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:03:23pm

mudmarine:
"To those folks", not you. I want to make sure that you know that.

358 Stop Hillary  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:14:53pm

#311 Elvis -- "Sorry if this was posted already, but I heard on the car radio driving home from work that Elton John will be teaching civics and history courses at a Boston area post-secondary school. You can't make up shit like this."

Well hopefully when he is done, his students will have learned from first hand experience as to why it was a good thing that their Boston area forebears kicked his forebears off this continent. Just don't let him "educate" our children about the First Amendment, he made a real hash of that today already. Besides, it was because of arrogant, preachy, asshole Englishmen like Elton John that we have a First Amendment.

359 adie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:15:42pm

#80

Do any of these LLL celebs have an original thought? Did they all take a seminar somewhere together?

LLL mentality was concocted in a bezerkley lab.

#207 J. Lichty

It is really not a big deal for Ronstadt, I am sure that her message will be welcome in Branson, MO.

The "Show Me" state would probably escort her out of the Ozarks, not just out of a casino.

360 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:22:11pm

131 Richard 7/19/2004 02:02PM PST
#108- zulubaby

Absolutely no hypocrisy there. LR can say what she wants, the crowd can SAY what they want. By this story, the crowd crossed the line. They destroyed private property and thew galsses. That is dangerous and destructive behavior, not "free speech".
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Sounded to me like the "property owner" agreed with the audience good buddy. ;-)

At least his actions and statements had no condemnation of the audience.

361 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:27:15pm

#59 Moonbat_One 7/19/2004 01:28PM PST
Looks like Bush and Rove are planting their agents wherever celebrities speak, watching their every move, making sure that any patriotic dissent is drowned out in a chorus of booing. A chill wind is blowing, my friends.

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Rotflmo they don't have to plant anyone, We are ALREADY THERE.

We live and work there. We actually PAY TAXES,

A Chill wind is indeed blowing.

It is called sponaneous rejection by the public.
Not planned not planted.

You may wish to supress OUR rights of freedom of expression, but it's not working.

362 Beagle  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:28:01pm

#324 Sarah D

Actually, by post #300 or so, my opinion is that anything is pretty much fair. Ranting is good.

Tampa could make you crazy. I used to shop at McDill with my dad. That was pretty neat. I remember F-4s. Now I guess it's mostly F-16s.

363 whiterasta  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:28:54pm

Who is Linda Rondstat and why does she think her political opinions are so important?

I believe she is a faded diva wannabe, a one hit wonder and she is as insignificant as a smear of batshit on a cave wall.

Who is she?

Who gives a G-ddamn what she thinks?

364 rcm  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:30:01pm

I was at The Comedy Cellar in the Village in Manhattan this Saturday for the 11 o'clock show. Several of the comedians bashed Bush (including one who hosts a show on Air America). At one point, one of the comedians asked the audience who was for Kerry. Two people mildy clapped. Then the comedian asked the audience who was for Bush and everyone screamed their approval. My heart was gladdened. It was definitely a "bridge and tunnel" crowd, which might skew more right-of-center, but it was refreshing nonetheless.

365 GT Charlie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:30:40pm

Mea saurus, mea saurus, mea maxima saurus.

OK, I crashed and burned after that last post, but I'm back, I'm bad, and I'm on-topic.

Bwa-ha-ha,
GTC

The One On The Right Is On The Left. Johnny Cash

There once was a musical troupe
A pickin' singin' folk group
They sang the mountain ballads
And the folk songs of our land

They were long on musical ability
Folks thought they would go far
But political incompatibility led to their downfall

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist

This musical aggregation toured the entire nation
Singing the traditional ballads
And the folk songs of our land
They performed with great virtuosity
And soon they were the rage
But political animosity prevailed upon the stage

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear burned his driver's license

Well the curtain had ascended
A hush fell on the crowd
As thousands there were gathered to hear The folk songs of our land
But they took their politics seriously
And that night at the concert hall
As the audience watched deliriously
They had a free-for-all

Well, the one on the right was on the bottom
And the one in the middle was on the top
And the one on the left got a broken arm
And the guy in the rear, said, "Oh dear"

Now this should be a lesson if you plan to start a folk group
Don't go mixin' politics with the folk songs of our land
Just work on harmony and diction
Play your banjo well
And if you have political convictions keep them to yourself

Now, the one on the left works in a bank
And the one in the middle drives a truck
The one on the right's an all-night deejay
And the guy in the rear got drafted

366 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:38:36pm

That dedication angered some Aladdin guests who spilled drinks, tore down posters and demanded their money back, said casino spokeswoman Sara Gorgon.

Reuters
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Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air
Yahoo
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Uhh somone want to point out to me the dangerous part here?

Or was the just bombastic rhetoric? ;-)

367 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:50:17pm

All RIGHT!!! I've been waiting for something like this to happen!

Saw this in the WSJ Online today: the writer went to 2 towns on the Canada/American border and compared them. Included this gem.

We made this trip in the first week of July. The "Canada Day" celebrations that took place in Stewart on July 1 were very vanilla. They included a "jaws of life" rescue equipment demonstration, a Name the Babies Contest, and the Annual Community Potluck Dinner in the early evening.

Three days later on July 4, Hyder USA spiced its national celebration with dashes of politically incorrect cayenne. There was an Ugly Vehicle Contest featuring pickups held together with duct tape and decorated with moose antlers (unlike the shiny ones in the driveways). There were parades of children with pets, toy guns and cowboy costumes. There was a Wilderness Woman Contest. Contestants raced to split wood, wash clothes, shoot a bear, flip pancakes, change a baby, and put on lipstick. The winner did it all barefoot.

Go ahead, Call us cowboys!
LOL

love the bit about pickups held together with duct tape and decorated wtih moose antlers

368 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 5:53:33pm

California's term limit law is complex and cumbersome.

And yes, former Gov. Moonbeam can run again.

The law was primarily designed to get rid of Willie Brown, a toxic, egotistica dictator who ruled the state with an iron fist.

Privately, few involved in California politics -- INCLUDING REPUBLICANS -- support the law as it is now written. It forces an unseemly game of musical chairs every six or eight years and deprives the state legislature of institutional memory.

As a conservative republican legislator told me, "As soon as you know the ropes and think through your ideas -- you're out."

Politics is more complex than an inchoate grumble. Learn something first.

A lifetime in politics and journalism has taught me three things --

1. There are no easy answers.
2. Never underestimate the public's desire for easy answers.
2. Study the Arab position and believe precisely the opposite.

369 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:00:08pm

You know folks I am curious about one thing.

F 9/11 has been out about 20 or so weeks before and since it has gotten a LOT of publicity.

However the Box office gross is not much more than that of "White Chicks" which was released at the same time and is listed as a D+ BOMB.

Oh and considering how popular "doesn't melt in your hand" is supposed to be?

His movie sure isn't selling over seas.
6.5 % of the gross is international sales.
Or take this movie released at the same time
DODGEBALL:
A TRUE UNDERDOG STORY

Whose heard of IT? Its grossed about 5 mill more so fare.

What IS the big deal?

370 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:04:00pm

#95 Richard

Now, Richard, don't get your panties in a wad. No one said anything about "destroying property."

They booed her. And threw drinks. She's lucky they didn't throw chairs.

371 justme3  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:08:50pm

Never know how much I love you..never know how much I care. NOT!

Shut up and SING!!!!!

;)

372 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:16:52pm
the assholes who, when confronted with an idea they don't agree with, start destroying private property.

Richard, Richard, you're making it too easy!

Seattle Riots, WTO

The vandals weren't difficult to detect: They were the ones with masks, carrying crowbars.

Downtown merchants also say police considered the threat of property violence serious enough that the SPD distributed a memo to businesses weeks ago, urging them to brace for the worst. Merchants were advised to remove storefront items that could cause or lead to damage, plan evacuation routes, and cover windows with plywood.

The city's decision left merchants indeed boarding up windows Wednesday--after they'd been smashed. By Thursday, the estimated damage and retail sales losses were heading toward $11 million.

Crowbars. $11 million in damages.

373 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:27:49pm

#204 Furious

"DING! And the man gets a cigar!"

374 Sarah D.  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:42:53pm

#362 Beagle

Thanks for that. I worked at SOCOM out at MacDill and was privileged enough to get to see some Stealth Fighters along with lots of fighter jets....not to mention the Marines in those little running shorts, oh, er, sorry, I digress.........................

375 county swine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 6:53:39pm

**throws glass of water**

(saves drink and leaves)

376 mudmarine  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 7:12:20pm

I know the thread is dead, but just for the record.

#353 Ann
#357 Ann

Thanks for making clear. I was confused for a bit. :-)


#356 M. Simon


You make very good points, and I agree that that is the rational type of war and a much preferable way of dealing with our humanness.

On the other hand: you say;

"Because of the nature of the alpha male struggle humans can never be at peace for long."

We in this country (and I could add a very few more) have been doing a fair job since 1865, in just the way you describe, at least amongst ourselves. We have found ways to deal with our baser instincts. That is why the outcome of the war we are in is so important. That is why we have to be strong in character and purpose.

As I've said before, if we go, it all goes.

377 Albertadude  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 7:22:00pm

This is such a shame.......I've certainly enjoyed Linda's music and I still will......she does a killer version of Tumbling Dice by the Stones.........but I guess I shouldn't be surprised by her stupidity?!! The depravity and ignorance of the entertainment world is appalling...

Well, at least Keith Richards hasn't joined the LLL crowd........whew..........

378 Jakester  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 7:27:57pm

Another martyr to the fascist Bushitler regime!
/l³ off

379 gossard187  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 7:43:52pm

Dang, late to the party again. I must say stories like this are very promising. I live in LLL country (Ghey Area as some would say) and certainly most people I know here love Michael Moore.

380 zulubaby  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 8:04:08pm

county swine, smart move. Why waste a good cocktail?

381 deadman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 8:12:19pm

UPDATE: from another witness to concert via email to NRO:

My wife & I were at the Linda Ronstadt performance in question, at the Aladdin in Las Vegas, and quite frankly, Aladdin President Bill Timmins' account of what happened is complete crap. There was mixed booing and cheering at Ronstadt's pro-Michael Moore comment, and that was about the extent of the "bedlam" that supposedly broke out. I saw no posters being torn down or cocktails being thrown in the air, and if people stomped out of the theatre unhappy, it was because 1) that was the last song Ronstadt performed; it was her encore; and 2) she mainly sang her standards repertoire
382 Dan Kauffman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 8:28:31pm

Same thing happened couple of weeks ago.

"The biggest excitement of the night, by a long shot, came when Ronstadt then dedicated her encore of "Desperado" to filmmaker Michael Moore, kick-starting a boo-cheer competition throughout the venue that drowned out her singing and left grown-ups in tuxes and evening gowns yelling at each other on their way to the parking lot."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

383 SwampWoman  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 8:39:09pm

Hello, lefty entertainment people. Apparently most of you missed out on business 101 in your freshman year. Let me make it really, really simple for you. You are actually capitalists just like the prostitute renting out his/her body by the hour (or minute, as the case may be) or the physician treating the consequences of your latest STD. You are not selling your brain power because you don't have any for sale. You are selling what you do best whether that is acting like somebody who has a clue, singing mostly on key, or shaking T and A for those who appreciate it.

As any other businessperson knows from the restauranteur to the painting contractor, you have to give the customers what they want in exchange for a fee. This does not mean what you think they should have. If a soul food restaurant tried to force their customers to eat seaweed and raw fish, they would not be in business after a couple of days of customers refusing to pay for their food. If a painting contractor is told by the customer that he/she wants yellow trim and decides to exercise his right to artistic expression by painting the trim black, the painter will not be paid and will probably be sued.

And no matter how wonderful you are in your own mind, entertainment person, there is always somebody out there that can replace you easily if/when you cease to entertain the audience and start to annoy the audience.

384 Anonymous Al  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 8:53:01pm

I haven't had the time to read this entire thread, so I apologize in advance if someone has already posted this:

YOU'RE NO GOOD, YOU'RE NO GOOD, YOU'RE NO GOOD, BABY YOU'RE NO GOOD ~
385 Jack Frost  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 9:01:30pm

how unamerican of her! dissenting? she should know better than to talk bad of the president and god fearing americans. another stupid left wing celebrity speaking her mind. when will they stop?

386 theheat  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 9:12:36pm

I don't think this is a censorship issue as much as Americans expressing their right to let someone know what they feel is tolerable or intolerable. If people had no choice but to sit and endure her diatribe, THAT would be censorship. That would infringe on MY right to choose. THAT would be spoon feeding the masses.

This wasn't the government telling Ronstadt to take a hike, it was a group of regular ole Joe Q Public that were "mad as hell and not gonna take it any more".

Had I been there, I'd have done the same. I feel like every one of those folks who walked out, booed, and tossed their cocktails was speaking for ME, and I heartily thank them for it.

Still the best country in the world.

387 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 9:24:59pm

Somewhat OT -
‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ coming to S. Korea
YONGSAN GARRISON, South Korea — Base theaters might not have plans to show “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Michael Moore’s controversial documentary, but soldiers and civilians will get their chance to see the film when it debuts in South Korean theaters this week.

Monday, legislators from the Democratic Liberal Party will host two free screenings at the National Assembly in Seoul, as part of their opposition to the planned dispatch of some 3,000 additional South Korean troops to Iraq.

The film opens at regular theaters throughout South Korea on July 23.

According to DLP members, the free screenings — scheduled for 4 p.m. and 7:30 p.m. — are meant to build on anti-dispatch momentum that rose after a South Korean civilian was taken hostage and beheaded in Iraq last month.

“By showing the movie that proves the absurdity of Iraq war provoked by Washington, we want to accelerate the anti-dispatch movement in the country through cultural means,” said Kim Sung-hee, a DLP spokesman.

388 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 9:32:26pm
389 transferthem  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 9:37:35pm

Why doen't she stick to singing? No-one can remember her last hit and maybe that's cos she spends too much time sucking off fat boy's bile.

390 Mojo Jojo  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 10:41:30pm

I would also be pissed if I spent a couple of thousand dollars & I got a fat has-been going through the motions for entertainment. What was tha Aladdin thinking? Hire somebody good or don't do a show.

391 alimostofi  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 10:56:55pm

#383 SwampWoman

You seem to be quite passionate in your beliefs, and of course are bold about your views. As you know so much about the entertainment culture, please let me know if it needs the product flowing through the silk route as expressed in [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] comment #44. We all know that Clinton was close to the entertainment people. It is not a huge jump in the mind to make a link to the fact that Clinton did not really take the threats that seriously then. I am hoping that you can read between the lines.

392 andrew2  Mon, Jul 19, 2004 11:58:28pm

LINDA RONDSTADT
W. GOLDBERG
THE DIXI CHICKS
TOYKO ROSE
BENNEDICT ARNOLD
JEFFERY CLOONEY
B. STREISAND
MICHAEL MOORE
NEVILLE CHAMBERLAND
Bagdad Bob


I never thought I would include her in this wholely inadquate list of asshats.

393 norar  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 12:11:11am

#385 Jack Frost

how unamerican of her! dissenting? she should know better than to talk bad of the president and god fearing americans. another stupid left wing celebrity speaking her mind. when will they stop?

Well, do tell me, please, why would this singer, performing in Las Vegas of all places, and obviously you as well, think that anybody would pay a cent to hear her "speaking her mind" even assuming she has one? I personally do not care for singers political opinions when I pay for a ticket to a concert. Do you? And if you do, why?

394 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 1:11:51am
395 PDM  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 1:39:20am

From
Oh baby! (Living in the U.S.A LP)
to
Oy Gevalt! (CNN)

396 Geepers  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 1:44:21am

PDM,

LMAO.

Just gettin' in?

397 PDM  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 1:56:18am

#396 Geepers,

Just gettin' in?

Just a quick late night/early morning stop.
Hey, that second photo looks quite a bit different than the AP stock photo. I guess the AP photo is of 'her good side' (about 20 years ago).

398 Geepers  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 2:12:19am

PDM, At least it took her twenty years, not like some "stars"

399 Furthamathur  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 3:07:31am

Came across this from the San Diego Music Critic George Varga...

[Link: www.signonsandiego.com...]

he says....
"Those who complain that Ronstadt should just sing, rather than express her opinions, forget that all art has a responsibility to inspire and provoke, not just soothe and entertain."

I say BS. Art has no such responsibility. In the case of music, art is the conscious production and/or the arrangment of sounds.... period!

400 Furious J  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 3:32:11am

Welcome to comment 400, the purpose of which is to give props to comment #280. Right on!

401 Uhller Isshaytan  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 3:48:09am

Free Speech - The legal ruling.

(or, don't be conned by the 'free gift' trick.)

Like a 'free' smurf with every MacDonalds Hamburger, it is free if the price of the Hamburger is reasonable and not inflated by the 'free' gift.

If an excessive amount is paid for the Hamburger, then the excess over the reasonable price is the amount paid for the 'free' gift.

If the audience paid a reasonable amount for the entertainment, then they got a 'free' speech.

But if they paid an exorbitant amount, then the speech was paid for and could not be considered 'free'.

402 BronchialStatue  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 3:51:37am

Read what the idiots over at Fark are saying about this.

Fark.com used to be awesome. Now it's a haven for irrational LLLs.

403 SwampWoman  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 3:55:06am

#399 furtha

I say BS. Art has no such responsibility. In the case of music, art is the conscious production and/or the arrangment of sounds.... period!

I'm with you. Many plastic surgeons consider themselves artists (as well they should). Where would we be if some person went in to get a hooter lift and, instead of said lift, the surgeon decided to express his art and draw attention away from the elongated breasts by doubling the size of the nose instead? Well, the woman may be very upset because THAT was not what she paid for, but what the heck? Artists have a responsibility to inspire and provoke, after all.

404 eoin  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 4:00:37am

great news guys. Its good to know that some people realize what a liar moore is and that anyone who praises his work is also a fool. I live in Seville Spain the other night sitting by the river enjoying 90 degrees at 11 at night we overheard and English guy talking to an American who was without a doubt a member of the American hatebushLL. After five minutes or so the guy i was with, a NYC policeman, walked up and challenged both of them. They proceeded to tell him how the US has killed over 1,000,000 civilians in the last 30 years and is the biggest threat to wolrd peace, bigger then Al qaeda! Well it ended up with the self loathing Michael Moore worshipping leftist liar calling my friend an ignorant facist and then boom! on the ground saying sorry. He was then forced to tell us about all of the good things that the US had given him. Turns out he was a rich trustfund hippy from vermont who like St. Pancake had someone developed such a hatred for not only President Bush but for every American government. The scene was brilliant! But dont worry my facist friend didnt hurt the guy, he was almost delusional with all his hate filled language that we left him there to think about things. And I can tell you there is nothing more frustrating than seeing other Americans here making new friends by praising Moore and bashing Bush. And If you say you support the WOT you are simply regarded as ignorant. I'll be heading home soon enough, i cant justify my stay here by saying that I need to improve my spanish. As they say here. "estoy hasta los huevos"!!!! Fight on friends

405 Uhller Isshaytan  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 4:01:38am

Art is something expressed more from the 'art than the mind.

But with self promoted pop-stars to 'artist', they should take note that their 'art' equals three fourths of 'Fart'.

406 Miss Trixie  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 4:43:24am

#84 Honstee

"Kerry Licks Bush"

Hmmmmmmm.

That sounds like something Whoopie would say....

:D

407 vancomycin  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 5:18:56am

IdeaLover:

I have helped change someone from a moore-lover to someone who no longer believes the stuff in his movies.

He was arguing with me, so sent him all the links I could find to information debunking Moore's movies. He got real quiet for a few minutes and we changed the subject. The next day he said he had read the websites and was amazed at how many liberties Moore had taken with the truth.

408 Laurence Simon  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 5:37:23am

Linda's so stupid, she probably moved next door to the Paris thinking the French over there would love her Bush-bashing encore.

409 H-Town  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 5:55:51am

#392

Don't forget that fucktard Cat Stevens...er.... I mean, Yusuf Islam.

410 IdeaLover  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 6:06:21am

#407 vancomycin:

Good for you! Just out of curiosity, was the guy a committed liberal, or just a liberal by default (e.g., because he doesn't like some conservative ideas and figures liberal is the only alternative)?

Either way, he doesn't seem like lefty material to me.

Mark Peters

411 micaiah  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 6:48:15am

#399 Furthamathur

That was actually a certain parties idea why only good German music with no words should be the only tollerable music instead of that disgusting adulterers music (swing). But I'm not trying to insinuate anything, just can't afford to forget ya know.

But regardless, I am finding myself tire of the soap box songwriting too.

412 Thousand Sons  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 6:55:50am

To be fair, I also dont like performers from the Right laying their claptrap on me at a show.

Like seeing Ted Nugent waxing philosophically about Jesse Jackson when he opened for KISS.

Ted, I like you. I like your music. But.....you wrote 'Wang Dang Sweet Poontang'. I can never take you seriously!

I might agree with most of what you have to say, but if I want that I'll listen to your radio show. For FREE.

Now play freakin' 'Stranglehold' and let me get twisted with the KISS Army in peace!

413 Vancomycin  Tue, Jul 20, 2004 8:42:55am

#410 IdeaLover

The guy is still lefty, but at least he's thinking about the things he hears and is starting to analyze them for complete bs.

414 FormerMuslim  Wed, Jul 21, 2004 11:17:44am

From lgfwatch:


Said Johnson: "This country is fighting for freedom around the world, but not for the freedom of Linda Ronstadt to say she supports Michael Moore. I say she should be sent to Abu Ghraib. Or let the US military deal with her the way they deal with Iraqi wedding singers."
415 bos  Fri, Jul 23, 2004 11:05:43pm

Funny that Ronstadt never heard of this supposed incident or about getting booted until an hour later. Which would make this article a lie. But it's still fun to get all worked up about it.


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