This is honestly going to keep me up tonight. I am absolutely freaked out by their depravity.

Jesus....

What the heck is it about the Arabs that makes them so satanic? Holy friggin moly...

It is another instance of the fact that we ignore the atrocities that happen to black people in Africa because of their color. That would not happen if they were Caucasian.

I am disgusted and saddened by the depravity of humankind, and the rest of the world's tolerance of it.

What's tragic is that this is not surprising.

Writer Mom! BonVoyage! e-mail me upon arrival, OK?
:-)

I posted this a few days ago. Prominent Saudis ordered an African assistant to rape a women who spurned their advances, and they videotaped the encounter:

[Link: www.albawaba.com...]

ISLAM IS ........

Sick, perverted, and disgusting.

OT:

ISRAELI MILITARY INTELLIGENCE: HIZBOLLAH MAY HAVE NON-CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS

www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPA rticle/ShowFull&cid=1090208250245

#4 Merav, thanks-what are you doing up so early :)
I'll use a more old fashioned technology to get in touch, and call you!

#3 Julia

You are wrong about that. It is ignored because the perpetrators are Arab. If they were white or Christian, there would be world wide outrage.

Jesus Christ, this is sickening.

And yet it's politically correct for the "non-racist" (cough cough) left to stand up for the Arabs.

This proves that Muslims will kill other Muslims for racist reasons, correct? I think both groups are Muslim. Which makes the "we have killed your God" comment really strange.

Writer mom,

I start a new job today, I'm a little nervous, I couldn't sleep.

Hope to talk to you soon!

Islam is both a tool and a justification for Arab Imperialism.

How's that for stating the obvious?

God help us, just when you think you've heard it all. . .

I think I'm going to be sick!

No, I'm not! I'm gonna get mad instead!

These things are not women (I'm not even sure they're human!)

To call them animals is insulting to animals. (And how dare these Moslem she-things look down on dogs and pigs, creatures obviously much higher on the evolutionary scale than they are?)

Nope.

These she-things are walking, talking cancer tumors, a walking, festering sickness.

#12 Merav - good luck, and we'll tawk.

Like father (Mohammed), like sons (and daughters). it runs in the R0P family. CURSE BE UPON THEM!

The point is that while we are accused about getting worked up about Muslims in America, the truth of the matter is that the Arabs are scum of the earth who are just as dangerous or more dangerous to their own neighbors.

Few liberals wish to admit it, but all current events reinforce the justice of Bush's decision to go to war against Iraq in order to reorder the Arab world. Arabs are the greatest threat to world peace and to themselves.

Wasn't someone bitching about a lot of us agreeing that Islam isn't a good thing on another thread?

This is an example of Islam in an Islamic society. We see the taqiya version here in the West.

Anyone trying to convince me different after three years of watching the news about this and extensive reading up on Islam, can kiss my star spangled butt first.

Here we have an example of racism.
In Darfur, the residents are mainly Muslim, it has been reported.
The attackers are Arabs, who are also Muslim.
So it appears that the hatred of the Arab attackers against the black victims is based essentially on racism, and with sexual greed and economic greed also, for the raping and robbing.
And it appears that the Sudan government is supporting the Arab attackers, or at least not doing anything to stop it.

There is, and has been, a genocide going on in Sudan. I would hope that the UN would address this and take effective action. Instead, the UN is dedicated these days to demanding that Israel remove the fence that protects Israel's children from Islamikazi splodeydope terrorists.

It appears that the UN does not much care about human life.

What surprises me about the article isn't the barbaric Muslim behavior, but the fact that Amnesty Intl actually issued an honest report concerning Islamic brutalities.

14: How about Ghost Bag:rarely see them and carry everything from HIV to Kafir Goodies.

When is the world going to wake up to these atrocities? I can hardly bear to read this, and I've been aware of the hell of the Sudan for a long time.

Why can't we do something? Why?

Back in Southern California, my brother, by no means a stupid or ignorant man, and certainly not a liberal, responded, when I mentioned the Sudan, by saying, cautiously, "I've heard of the country."

This is the result.

#5 peace be,

I read the article. You know who gets the death sentence don't you? That's right, black servant who was ordered by the Saudis to rape the girl. Wouldn't shock me, but I bet the girl gets stoned for being unclean. As for the young Saudi men that ordered and filmed the rape -- our State Department probably grants them visas to go to College over here.

#2 Sydney Carton

I am now beginning to think that Islam really was inspired by Mr. "Pleased ta meetcha, hope ya guessed mah name!" (Rolling Stones, "Sympathy for the Devil".) Moslems act Satanic because their religion is Satanic.

Writer Mom:

Have a good trip! Here's another Kamel hug!

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Merav:

Good luck on the new job! Here's a lucky Kamel dance, to help you!

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:>)

There! You are now assured good luck on your job!

OT - Israeli District Court Judge murdered al aqsa claims responsibility

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I hope this links properly.

cynthiajane

#10 Corvvs

And yet it's politically correct for the "non-racist" (cough cough) left to stand up for the Arabs.

Yep, it's "non-racist" to hand the Islamofacists the means to kill or rape anyone they want to.

Lysander

"But this is just a facet of their culture. Who are we to judge?"

Read my recent article at Israel National News entitled, "There They Go Again, Those Arab Racists".

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

There they go again. The story is so old already. Arab militia or Arab army or Arab terrorist attacks non-Arab. Or was that Muslim fanatic attacks non-Muslim? This time, it's happening in Sudan.

While we're sitting and talking, probably a few hundred more black Africans in Sudan have starved to death, or been brutally killed, raped, enslaved, or simply pushed off their land by 7th century Arab imperialist invaders, or more rightly "Arab settlers".

Oh yes, that's right. "Arab settlers".

Like the ones Saddam Hussein brought into Kurdistan - i.e., the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq - in the 1970s to displace the indigenous Kurds during his forced Arabization campaign. Forcibly relocating many Kurds from the Kurdish heartland in the north, he razed all Kurdish villages along a 1,300-kilometer stretch of the border with Iran.

Now Sudan is doing the same thing....

What does all this have to do with Israel?

Well, as I wrote in an article entitled "Israel Should Support the Kurds Against Syria":

"As the discussion of democratization of the Middle East continues, an important point that must be made time and time again, is the importance of building structures that liberate the minorities of the region from oppression.

"Non-Arab and non-Muslim minorities live throughout North Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to the propaganda that the region is Arab/Muslim, these minorities are remnants of the indigenous peoples, from before the great Arab imperialist wars of the 7th century, and the 'Islamicization process' that followed. Non-Arab Muslims like the Kurds in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran; the Berbers - known as Amazighs - in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya, have all resisted Arabization for over 1,000 years. Non-Muslims like the Assyrian Christians in Iraq - who are not Arabs - the Copts in Egypt, Christian Lebanese - many who claim not to be Arab, but Phoenician - the Christians in Sudan, and other Christians throughout the region, have been persecuted minorities since the rise of Islam. Others, like the Druze and Jews, have also been persecuted by Arab/Muslim regimes throughout history....

"Only Israel, the Jewish State, has fully liberated itself - in the political sense - from this Arab/Muslim oppression, although it still suffers from physical violence against her people. Israel should take the lead - in its foreign policy - to support democratization and regime change throughout the region. Israel shouldn't wait until countries of the region reform, but should pro-actively support the legitimate aspirations of the oppressed minorities of North Africa and the Middle East, and build alliances with them."

Like that Arab murderer in Sudan who said, "This land is only for Arabs," the late Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi said not long before his demise, "We will continue with our holy war and resistance until every last criminal Zionist is evicted from this land. By G-d, we will not leave one Jew alive in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews'." Most of the so-called "Palestinians" agreed with him.

Arab racism marches on....

Israel should speak out strongly against the ethnic cleansing and potential genocide taking place in Sudan today, just as I've urged it do about the atrocious Syrian occupation in Lebanon. Israel should support the rights of the Kurds to an independent state, and encourage other indigenous peoples and their liberation movements.

A major element of Israel's strategic foreign policy should be based on supporting the rights of minorities in the region. Only that way, based on democratization, liberation from oppressive regimes and encouragement of freedom, will the Middle East and North Africa be transformed into a region worthy of its millennia-old history.

A pre-Arab and pre-Muslim history, I might add.

. . . And Islamic culture accuses the West of being immoral, because the women don't veil themselves.

There's more than one way of being "immoral" snake-boys, and snake-girls! I'll take our Western decadence over your "morality" any old time!

/Sorry for posting so much, Charles, but this has really gotten me riled up! Kamel's on the warpath!

#18 PostalWorker: Yes, even though Islam explicitly condones and advocates rape, robbery, torture, genocide and bigotry, we learned earlier today that these things are a small price to pay compared to the greater good of Islam being allowed to exist in all nations. Many wise LGFers stepped forward to insist the teachings of Islam be protected as-is in our nation. Granted, I doubt any of them have had the opportunity to say these things while looking one of these Sudanese women in the eye, but I'm sure they'd find the strength to do so.

My understanding is that a lot of these atrocites are being backed by the Saudis, on top of all the other horrors that reside in and eminate from that hellhole. So when a Muslim packs his bags to travel there on the Hajj, without first insisting that the Saudis relinquish their hold on the sites of Mecca and Medina, think about what this endorsement says.

The Islamic world is and has been involved in both jihad (war against non-Muslims) and fitna (internal wars).
In the Sudan, the genocide has largely involved the Muslims against the Christians and animists -- that's jihad.

But in Darfur in the Sudan, this is Arab Muslims attacking black Muslims -- that's fitna. It seems to be based on Arab tribalism and Arab racism. It seems to be based on the fact that the Arabs have horses and are militarily far stronger than the blacks. It seems like the old idea of Arab tribal raids by the stronger against the weaker, with racism playing a very large role in this.

Where is the UN? Where is Kofi Anan?

The UN devotes most of its time to condemning Israel for having the audacity to defend itself. Currently, the UN is focusing on demanding that Israel tear down its main civil defense -- its fence -- for the protection of its children from terrorists.

This is too strong for the mainstream media. There is almost no coverage. I googled Google News and Yahoo News on "Pollyanna Truscott" the Amnesty spokesperson. What coverage there is is sanitized. It is preposterous to believe the liberal media is going to quote an Arab woman saying to a black woman:

""You are gorillas, you are black, and you are badly dressed."

I mean, the whole liberal universe would be threatened.

There has to be a special place in hell for these motherfu**ers. And I wish we would grow the balls to send them there....now !

This is so evil it's hard to find any words adequate to express my feelings. Sometimes women, too, even in civilized countries, can be extremely cruel to each other, especially if they feel inferior and are hooked up with a bully. They allow the bully to act out the meanness in their own souls and egg them on even more.

When blacks in North America wax poetic about their "roots" I wish they'd read this and take a good look at what real hatred and discrimination looks like.

I feel so badly for the women in this region. I don't know why Kofi Annan (another evil corrupt person) hasn't done something about this. Probably because he's being paid off by the oil barons and military bullyboys (one and the same?) in this region too.

God help these poor Christian blacks. If he has the power to create the earth, why doesn't he show his face and help these people? They are truly his most faithful servants because they have maintained their Christian faith through all this persecution. I don't know what else to say. So sad.

Kofi Assinon was just in the Sudan....He came.... He Saw... He gave gave his blessing....Had no time to deal with this....he had more pressing problems, such as the drastic decline in dead jews due to the Anti-terror wall...

OT

does hanoi janes husband own TNT Tv station? also anyone else watch The Grid? it was really good i just cant believe its a turner production. ok back to beer and watching the grid repeat

Man, Islamism really seems to be the continuation of a 1500 year old dream of world conquest.

This story reminds me of a line from a Woody Allen film where the character, played I think by Max Von Sydow, remarks that he isn't at all shocked or surprised by the Holocaust, but is rather surprised it doesn't happen more often.

But, as he continued, as seems to be the case, it does.

#15 WriterMom

Have a great trip :-)

And if you happen to meet any of the lizardoids over there, buy 'em a drink for me.

Don't worry, I'll, ummm, I'll pay you back in Vegas ;-)

#24 TalkinKamel

LMAO with your lucky camel dance :-)

#11 Beagle 7/19/2004 07:54PM PST

"This proves that Muslims will kill other Muslims for racist reasons, correct? I think both groups are Muslim. Which makes the "we have killed your God" comment really strange."

The people being slaughtered in Sudan right now are a combination of Christians, and indigenous tribal groups. This grim situation is about nothing more or less than the violent, militant spread of Islam.

This is Ghengis Khan. This is Poland.

This is Mohammed.

Peace

You are pigs, you are Arabs, and your socks don't match.

Kofi is the Neville Chamberlain of the modern world. He came back with "assuarances."
He and the whole organization is ossified and corrupt.

These people are just savage scum and nothing will be done about it, France will make sure of that because they have business interests there.

The movie was "Hannah and her Sisters." The character was the older lover of Lee, played by Barbara Hershey. According to the database, the character's name was Frederick.

OT- speaking of dhimmis . . .

Just in case you thought French Jews weren't fighting back, this is anecdotal but interesting:

Last February, the Inter Press Service reported that demonstrators from the Union of Jewish Students attacked a Lyon theater where the alleged anti-Semitic comedian Dieudonne was performing. Demonstrators threw acid and tear gas into the packed theatre. Several audience members were injured while fleeing the theater. That same month anonymous letters were arrived at the Paris Olympia Theatre threatening to terrorize the playhouse if the producers did not cancel a scheduled Diedonne performance. The show was cancelled.

I am conflicted. OTOH I dont' like to see us Jews respond at the same level as our attackers. 1) we should be better than that and 2) anything we do in response will get used against us, so we are better off using non-violent means. OTOH. . . . Heh.

Luigi:

I mean, the whole liberal universe would be threatened.

Yeah, all three and a half acres of it, and that includes the hemp patch.

Last week I was listening to an interview on NPR of an Arab (I forgot his name) who was complaining that the Arab media are completely ignoring what's going on in the Sudan.

It's disgusting that things like this are happening; but it's more troublesome -- and says more about the Arabs as a whole -- that the Arab masses don't care!

They don't want to hear about stuff like this. They only want to play the victim. Any news that doesn't allow them to feel victimized and thus "justified" in their self-righteous anger is willfully ignored.

Sickening. I have no words. Okay, I had "sickening" .. but you know what I mean.

Zak

Hey #28 Ariel Natan Pasko, if you have not already, get in touch with Professor Mordechai Nissan of the Hebrew University. He wrote a book about Middle Eastern minorities and I took his course back in '95.

Zak

Dan Darling, incidentally, identifies the Janjaweed militias as al-Qaeda. Worth thinking about.

I am under no illusions about females necessarily being "the kinder, gentler" sex - I know women can be cruel.

But women celebrating rape - the mind reels.

Just when you think the Islamonuts can sink no lower - they start digging.

Hey Donna V .... how's it going? Nice evening, ain't it?

Zak

Where is Kofi Anan?

Kofi's "got his," dontcha know? Wealthy, well-dressed, connected, feted in the Western world. I don't think he's looked back except when forced to, and then with an expression of disgust on his face. Too many atrocities going on under his watch to say otherwise.

#34 foreign devil:

God help these poor Christian blacks. If he has the power to create the earth, why doesn't he show his face and help these people?

Maybe He wonders just how much power, security and wealth He can provide us with, and yet we won't stand up to a warlord cult we could crush like a paper cup.

Unfortunately, most African Americans will never hear about this. They are being fed "Bush=Taliban" propaganda by NAACP instead, and even more poisonous brainwashing from Nation of Islam, Five Percenter rappers, etc.

Someone please enlighten me, I don't get time to be up on things as much as I'd like, but, I thought Amnesty International wasn't the most "forthright" or "
unbiased" organization...

Did they report this because they had no choice, they'd be skewered if they didn't? Or are they reporting better now? Or is my perception of them incorrect?

Donna, you are right- girls can be cruel too. My little sister just got back from camp and told me that some other girls had created a "We Hate Sasha (my sister) Club."

Of course, I don't think they'd go so far as to encourage boys to rape her. But this was Jewish camp, not Arab camp.

Zak

Can we stop calling Muslim women "victims" now?

To Zak -- people as victims. Hitler always played the Germans as victims to justify his actions -- the New Testament shows us Christians as victims in the 1st century -- (and in fact Christians were-- and in fact the Germans had a substantial case that they were unfairly treated after WWI) -- but people who see themselves as victims feel that it is righteous to smash other people -- the NT gives no license for this but in fact Christians have smashed other peoples in history; although nothing like the nazis or contemporary Arabs. This same sense is currently given to Jews via the Holocaust. And it needs to be treated with care.

I think one of the most important things which a Radio Free Arabia could do would be to smash this sense of victimization in a people who has been ridiculously privileged.

#39 Braintrust:

You defile Ghengis Khan by lumping him in with these savages. He would ulterly destroy the capital of the country he invaded but after that, it was all about extracting tribute and moving on. Since he was an animist, if you survived the initial onslaught, he did't care what religion you worshipped

#51 freedomsound

Amen. That's why I send these articles to my black friends, what a fight this is, they have to go through social/familial hell if they see this stuff, believe what's up, and profess it. But more and more are going through it.

#54 D-Fens:

Yeh - you can just call them smelly.

#38 Right Wing Conspirator

Thanks! I'll send you a Lucky Kamel Dance, if you ever need one!

#54 D Fens

Yes.

Donna V.

How are you doing? You take care of yourself! (That's an order!)

The Arab Muslim world: a powerful victimization complex driving an even more powerful revenge complex.

Levi wrote regarding victimization: This same sense is currently given to Jews via the Holocaust. And it needs to be treated with care.

I hear ya. I agree some Jews also use victimology, for example perhaps Bigel. Personally I hate thinking of myself as a victim. It reeks of weakness and, as you noted, results in violent self-righteousness.

Zak

You guys, this rape thing is serious and all, but I just read a report that a Palestinian farmer has lost a grove of olive trees because of the fence, and also 150 little Palestinian children from the village of Abu Kalba have to walk three extra miles to go to school now.

The rape, murder and genocide is sad and all, but we shouldn't lose focus on the real issues in the Middle East.

Zak

Maybe these singers can back up el cubos at the GOP convention in NYC. It'll go good with their 9' tall papier mache puppets!

Yet the Jew hating, tyrant coddling Black Left in America, the uber el cubos, will find a way to rationalize their unstintng support of Arab and Islamic barbarism! Mckinney prolly has a plank in her platform denouncing Zionist complicity in the Sudan genocide

#52 Sojourner

No, you are correct. I never read anything they publish without a grain of salt. For instance, some of the other topics for the 2004 report:

National security and 'war on terror'

The US-led "war on terror" continued to be waged using indiscriminate and disproportionate means.

Take note of the scare quotes, theirs, not mine.

Hundreds of foreign nationals remained in prolonged indefinite detention without charge or trial in US custody outside the US mainland. Most of those detained as so-called "enemy combatants" were held without any form of judicial process; for a handful, the only way out of their legal black hole appeared to be through grossly unfair trials before military commissions. Authoritative worldwide opinion condemned the blatant disregard for international and US constitutional standards by the USA. Many of the measures taken by the US authorities in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks undermined the fabric of international law. Other aspects of US security policy, including the threat in July to cut off military aid to 35 countries for refusing to guarantee US nationals immunity before the International Criminal Court, threatened to have a similarly corrosive effect on the international rule of law.

Again, their quotes.

Scroll down on the page for this:

Economic insecurity

Promoted as a vehicle for alleviating poverty and boosting development, the proposed Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA) and other similar agreements prompted sceptical and hostile responses from many sectors of civil society wary of their impact on economic, social and cultural rights, including labour rights, access to health and public services, and rights related to the environment.

Now, tell me how many 3rd world countries are worried over said cultural and labor rights? Isn't the issue in Darfur an example?

Here we have capital punishment:

The death penalty continued to be imposed in the USA and Caribbean, and the USA stood in shameful isolation by executing child offenders. In Latin America, Cuba resumed executions and there were occasional proposals to reintroduce the death penalty in response to rising levels of crime.

As opposed to public decapitations, female circumcisions, people run thru shredders, we of course execute children.

I am not saying that I don't believe that the atrocities are happening in Darfur. I just wonder why AI would suddenly be fully honest in a report, when that isn't their normal mode of operation.

I wonder what the real story is.

To #45 Zak, in the above article "There They Go Again, Those Arab Racists" (#28) I wrote:

"The situation is so horrendous that Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, the former editor of the prestigious Arabic daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), recently published an op-ed titled, "The Death of 300,000 People". In the article, Al-Rashed decried the Arab media's apathy to the violence in Sudan.

Al-Rashed wrote, "They are not the victims of Israeli or American aggression; therefore, they are not an issue for concern... Is the life of 1,000 people in western Sudan less valuable, or is a single killed Palestinian or Iraqi of greater importance, merely because the enemy is Israeli or American?"

He continued, "It is a grave matter that government-sponsored forces or militias should be allowed to carry out the annihilation of people in order to achieve quick or decisive victory... As for Arab intellectuals who see nothing in the world but the Palestinian and the Iraqi causes, and who consider any blood not spilled in conflicts with foreigners to be cheap and its spilling justifiable, they are intellectual accomplices in the crime."

P.S. I read his book and know Dr, Nisan well...thanks

This is no great surprise - look what women from the Islamic world do to their own little girls. If they can do that, anything is possible when it comes to the hated enemy.

Last Thursday, at the rally over Sudan I attended in San Diego, there were a number of Sudanese in attendance, and what they had to say about the situation were very clear. It's been going on for twenty years, the government in Khartoum has always been complicit, and people have been dying in job lots.

I have bit my tongue on this for ages, and sent money to feed people, buy them out of slavery and so on. But what I really want is to send lawyers, guns and money, and overthrow this nightmare thugocracy.

It's pretty obvious that if you are a non-Arab Muslim and actually believe that 'equality in Islam' BS and demand equality, then you automatically become an apostate, and are therefore fair game for rape, killing, slavery or whatever the hell else the Arab Muslim wishes to do to you.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

#68 Dianna

Why bite your tongue? If the reality is what it is, let's try to do something about it.

I don't see what good lawyers would do, since these thugs don't follow the rule of law.

The trick is to get enough people behind it, and our "horrible, horrible" government to decide to "steal their oil", so that we can go in and fix the problem. More taxpayer money, but I for one wouldn't begrudge it. These people need help.

How do we do that?

Louis Farrakhan and Abdul Mohammed of the National Islamic Fruit Company show their solidarity for their brothers in the Sudan:

"The [Baltimore] Sun is a Zionist Jewish daily…Reject the Slavery propaganda against Sudan…Don't let the Zionists get away with damn lies!"

"As in all other cases, I am sure that this 'Big Lie' being circulated by the American Anti-Slavery Group [the group publicizing the facts of slavery in the Sudan and Mauritania] against Libya and the Sudan will eventually be exposed as another manipulative devise [sic]. I believe their propaganda is intended to continue to divide the black and Arab people in America and on the African continent."

OT comic relief: what really happened between Cheney and Leahy. It's from the NYer but it's got a Scrappleface vibe....

Arabs using rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing in Darfur Good article, I recommend.

39

The people being slaughtered in Sudan right now are a combination of Christians, and indigenous tribal groups.

No, not in Darfur.

This story shows that as Muslims become more isolated and prevented from expansion and killing 'infidels', they kill one another.
I'm sure this isolation is a part of the WOT strategy, of course they choose reform or war when forced to focus on theirselves. We don't choose that for them.
At this early stage, they are only choosing war with one another. Hopefully they will eventually choose reform.
All Muslims should be doing some of that internal jihad that keep talking about, because they will soon only be able to do external jihad on each other!

#56 john5z 7/19/2004 08:46PM PST

"You defile Ghengis Khan by lumping him in with these savages. He would ulterly destroy the capital of the country he invaded but after that, it was all about extracting tribute and moving on. Since he was an animist, if you survived the initial onslaught, he did't care what religion you worshipped"

I merely used the comparison for aggression's sake.

Although I've never thought it possible to defile the Khan before, I tend to agree with you that I may actually have done so in this instance!

Now that I think of it, not even the Nazis were known to sing whilst raping...

I may have just invoked Godwin's Law, but I believe the point may still be valid nonetheless...

Peace

Note on Sudan--- we cannot go through the U.N. Security Council as all of the oil concessions in the Southern Sudan belong to Elf Aquitaine and the other french oil company and China and Canada.

No oil for blood!!!!

current oil concessions

#66 Ariel Natan Pasko
Thanks for the post.
Three cheers to Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, a compassionate person of Arab heritage who is not afflicted with the honor-shame neurosis nor the tribal syndrome, and dares to be honest. And brave enough to speak out.
That's one good voice for the people of the western Sudan, from among the Arabs.

And where are the other voices? Their silence is very damning.

54

Can we stop calling Muslim women "victims" now?

Since the women being raped are Muslims, too, that would seem to be premature.

The perpetuators of this criminal activity are sowing the wind....and they will reap the whirlwind.

I'm reminded of something that was posted today on another thread. Let them support the destruction they advocate, they are killing off their own kind by doing so.
Attrition can come in strangely shaped packages.

#28 Ariel Natan Pasko

Thank you for that post, Ariel. Please make it available to the Hebrew speaking Israelis as well. Sadly, the Israeli Hebrew media outlets (even Arutz7) have been shamefully inadequate in their coverage of Arab expansionism/ colonialism/ imperialism.

#9 Split Level Head -
You took the words right out of my mouth. As long as it's Arabs doing the killing, and Blacks doing the dying, Kofi Annan, the UN, the LLL, the Euroweenies and the Islamofascists will maybe wag a finger, but that's about it.
By the way, does anyone know what religion Annan is?

What can we expect? The Mauritanians and Sudanese deny to this day that they practice chattel slavery, despite all the evidence. The Sudanese government denies that it is behind the killers, and the world says, "Oh, OK, if they say so, we've got to give them the benefit of the 'doubt'" and just tells the Arab government to stop Arabs from killing, raping and enslaving Blacks. Uh huh. They're gonna jump right to it.

#55 levi from queens -
I disagree that the Germans were treated unfairly after World War I. They were treated harshly, which isn't the same thing as unfairly. Because they started a purely imperialistic war, an entire generation of young Europeans was virtually wiped out. The carnage was unbelievable. Years and years of it. Millions upon millions dead on the altar of German ambitions. England never really recovered.
I don't blame the rest of Europe one bit for sticking it to Germany. They should have carved Germany up right then and there, undoing Bismarck's creation of the German nation state. Maybe it would have prevented WWII by blocking centralized power.

#75 TS

I hate to yell at anyone on LGF, but...

What's been happening in Sudan for twenty years has not been a matter of the muslims being isolated. Please rethink that post.

Two million people have been slaughtered.

In Darfur, the people slaughtered, 90,000 or so so far, are frequently muslim themselves, just black, and subsitence farmers on the edge of the Sahara. This is the policy of the truly terrible government in Khartoum.

This is simply genocide, and nothing else. It never has been.

Sarah, I've been writing letters and sending money since I read a story in The Economist when I was much younger and much, much more naive. For all the good it's done, I might as well as saved the ink and the stamps. Well, maybe my tiny contributions did some good. Damned if I can tell.

I am sick at heart, and weary. I want help, and I'll take it from the devil himself. My congresscritter is an idiot. My senators don't seem to care much. The State Department publishes a very clear 'country profile' but don't seem to be able to do much else.

Don't even ask about the UN.

What can we do? Send money to the folks, including, heaven help us, Doctors without Borders and Amnesty International, who will publish reports and feed people. I can't think what else to do. People don't know, and, given the number of other crises grabbing their attention, we can hardly expect them to do much to help.

I know that this story will get a few more people's attention, and I'm grateful for that. But I don't expect too much. Every five years or so, a hand-wringing report is issued, and about 20 other people will take notice and keep taking notice, but there are so many terrible things in the world, and you can't do something about all of them.

34 foreign devil

God help these poor Christian blacks. If he has the power to create the earth, why doesn't he show his face and help these people? They are truly his most faithful servants because they have maintained their Christian faith through all this persecution. I don't know what else to say. So sad.

Well, actually these are poor Muslim blacks. And maybe the story of the awful things that are being done to them finally making getting the world's attention is G-d's way of helping them.

Zak: Weatherwise, yes, it's a lovely night. I do like Wisconsin summers - when they finally arrive.

I remember hearing a black convert to Islam saying on NPR that he had converted because "under Islam all men of all races are brothers."

“You are gorillas, you are black, and you are badly dressed.”

Kinda blows a hole in that theory, doesn't it?

Dianna -
Take heart. For years, I contributed to the American Association for Ethiopian Jews, which bought the freedom of Ethiopian Jews one at a time at $10,000 a head. That was the Ethiopian government's price for letting them go.

And, lo and behold, the Israeli government paid attention, paid the ransom and got the vast majority of them out in two airlifts.

The AAEJ then dissolved itself, because it was no longer needed. Pretty damn amazing.

The key is PUBLICITY. The more we insist that the press cover this genocide, the more we pressure our members of Congress to insist that the UN do something, the greater the chance that something will be done.

Don't give up!

Carters' old security advisor is on Charlie Rose. I'm too tired to type the creeps name correctly, I'm sure you know who I speak of.
He's talking about how we need to have a relationship with Iran. And how we need to be careful not to turn the whole of Islam against our country.
What planet is this guy living on? Islam declared war on us...on HIS watch....and turned against us at that time.

Gah!!!! I'm ready to say, pull in our troops, shut down the borders...start deportation of all not citizens....and tell the world to go to hell in a stinking handbasket!

#83 Dianna

Well, I've never believed that the money goes where I want it to unless I'm there to spend it, buy it, and distribute the goods.

DWB are doing good things with an LLL slant. I won't denigrate them, but I understand where you're coming from.

This crisis finds us in a unique time. While you are correct that we have many other issues to deal with, the American people are more in tune with Islamic atrocities than ever before. Get the American people in motion, and you have a tidal wave. Screw your elected officials, do what the LLL does....get the public behind it.

Post pictures of the slaughter, post the personal accounts, cite the numbers. You're in CA right? They love this stuff if it's presented right. You have the power of speech. Make it loud, and refuse to be silenced.

Send me some ideas, I'll post them on campus.

#30 Model4

I just guess we are in the knee jerk catagory. My knee jerks too often though. After awhile don't people see a trend?

If there are moderate muslims, they better start doing something before the rest of humanity awakens and says it is enough.

Kinda doubt it though. Tey've had over 1400 years or so.

#86 Amy

I've been working for twenty years, up to and including pinning people to walls and boring them at parties. Chilean parties, at that. I haven't given up, and I won't, but I'm very, very depressed and tired. I don't know if we even made the paper in San Diego, never mind television. And there were real, actual 'victims' there, though they wouldn't have called themselves that, being good and serious people, not the sort who whine.

No, I won't give up. But publicity, for some reason, never gets to the level it ought to. You'd think slavery, rape and murder, not to mention spreading desertification, would catch the attention of the west.

Why doesn't it? Damned if I know, and I refuse to blame it only on the leftist press.

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UK based Muslim website attacks "moderate" Muslims. Read this if you are wavering on the issue of deportation of this scum from the Free World:

[Link: icssa.org...]

#90 Dianna

It's very simple.....it doesn't sell. It has to be in red, black, and white.

I would just about guarantee you that if you called the LA newspapers with this story, with the slant that it was the Bush administration that was causing the genocide (like through faulty relations, sanctions, etc.) it would get printed.

#88 Sarah D.

I have some neat, well composed little flyers I picked up at the rally last Thursday. I will be happy to scan and send them to you.

Try also the i-abolish folks. They're good, even if I feel they're not all that good at getting outside the Christian community. As a strictly secular type, I'm not all that comfortable with them.

I think you've over-estimated the true compassion of Californians. End of dry understatement. They care about what the left tells them to care about, which means anything they can blame on the US.

Deep breath.

The worst problem for me is that I couldn't organize a group of drunks to go into a bar. I'll help. I'll show up, and do anything else needed. But I can't organize if I offered to sell my soul.

So, though I will do what I can, I feel a bit of despair.

But I'll send a copy tomorrow morning.

#89 PostalWorker

What? Humanity say enough? No...the /LLL won't let them! They must be kept under control, and do exactly what they are told...after all...isn't the world a beautiful paradise right now in places like Cuba, and N.Korea? We can turn the *whole* world into a place just like it if we work hard enough!

It's enough to give you nightmares. I don't know if the moderate muslims will ever speak up...they whispered after 9/11, they kinda waved their hands in slaute after the first cold blooded beheadings and now they turn a blind eye to Africa...and stuff like this. Eventually it will end up being a cultural war once again and a nasty one at that.

It really seems to flare up every hundred or so years...were going to be due for another one, people will pick their sides and it will go from that point unless they reform it. But I don't see it happening...do you?

I get to the point where I cannot read any more point by point atrocity documenting of these creatures.They do nothing but war against everytthing.The Peace they seek is the peace of armageddon where nothing living stirs ever again.They are the anti-life.period.We who love life and love our own kind must defeat them once and for all.

HA!

MANILA: A kidnapped Filipino truck driver was Tuesday still being held by kidnappers in Iraq, officials said, despite the withdrawal of all Filipino troops from the country.

/schadenfreude

I'm curious. Did the CIA at any point report "Seven million Filipinos work abroad, some in dangerous countries, and the families of foreign workers form a powerful constituency. Expect the leadership of the Philippines to take that into account in any decisions they make."

Too disgusting for words. These are the bloodiest barbarians in history. And they want to rule the world.

They have to be stopped. Helping their victims is not enough when there are more & more every day.

#93 Dianna

Please do send them. I'll do what I can from here. I don't get out a lot but I can put them up on campus (after the dean approves them) and I have lots of folks in my life that still have a life and can get them put up elsewhere.

I also know lots of people who work with ministries that spend lots of time over in that area. I'm going to have a talk with them too. The publicity is what you need.

#93 Dianna

Forgot to say: Exactly, they want to hear what the US is DOING to other countries. As horrible as it sounds, I would rather you get your publicity based on our "colonialism and imperialism" and get help for these desperate people, rather than none.

And forgot to say too:

Good night all!!!!!! ((LGF))

Cheers Sarah D.

Night to everyone here as well.

These Janjaweed definitely need to be taught via MOAB.

-ron

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You need to know something about the Wahabi concept of "savior" ("mahdi"), which differs from the Shiites "twelver" ideology of returning oligarchs:
[Link: www.allaahuakbar.net...]

According to these Reliable, Authentic, and Universally Accepted Narrations, Imam Mahdi will:

1.Be from among the family of Prophet (SAW), among the descendants of Fatima (RA);
2.Have a broad forehead and pointed nose;
3.Appear in one night;
4.Appear just before the day of judgment;
5.Have same name as Hazrat Muhammad (SAW);
6.Escape from Madina to Makkah where people will pledge allegiance to him;
7.Receive pledge and help of Iraqi people;
8.Fight in battles;
9.Rule over the Arabs for seven or Eight years according to Sunnah;
10.Spread justice and equity on earth;
11.Eradicate tyranny and oppression;
12.Lead a prayer in Makkah which Jesus (pbuh) will follow in;
13.NOT be the same individual as the Promised Messiah (Jesus).
14.Allaah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits,
15.He will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great.
16. He is one, behind whom ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (AKA: Jesus) will pray.

"Broad forehead and pointed nose?" Then he better have charisma!

ploome:
Insulting an Arab savage (pardon the redundancy) challenges their "honor." So, they don't publicize insult words in their Assyrianized-Hindi language. However, one source does:
[Link: www.gayegypt.com...]

What serious depravity. When I boot-up my laptop and visit this site, the first thing that comes to my mind is "What did the [bigoted word]s do today?". Every day its either car bombings, mass rapes, mass murders, kidnappings, beheadings, Palestinian car-swarmings and subsequent collection of body parts, chopping off the ears and nose of a young girl, or a combination of them all.

Thanks for running this site Charles, because this kind of stuff gets virtually 0% coverage in the mainstream media, and when it does its usually either spun to death to desensitize it or its hidden in the back of newspapers.

I'd never thought I'd see the day where other women were celebrating and encouraging rapes. But then again what should one expect from a culture that has more in common with the Dark Ages then it does with the 21st century.

#87 quark2

Have you read this NRO piece by Michael Ledeen? Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert Gates have an agenda. For Islam.

Linky

cpl menno:
Despising Islam isn't enough. Start thinking of shelving the smart bombs, and dusting off the nukes.

Only shit-for-brains lgf-pollutants like engineer, steve miller and (would like to be a) reaganite, support Bush-Powell's turnover of Iraq to the Islamofascists, in the name of their perverted notion of "freedom."

If Israel nuked Iran, the Texas-Crook and Horseface would be forced to defend that action, and whatever had to be done to squelch the reaction of the [bigoted word]s.

I love the smell of nuked Muslims in the morning.

OT - Dave Ray, email me wouldja?

@107 Attaboid

No, but I will. Thanx for the linky.

Watching him on Rose's program tonight made me want to reach through the telly like a screeching valkerie and impale him. The face of treachery.

Thanks for the info, Ploome hineni.

:)

The Islamic supremacists are slaughtering the Muslims in Aceh too folks...

moderate don't 'play'.

Why does this not surprise me?

OT:

For anyone awake now, its 3:02 am in Toronto and on MSNBC, right this minute they are doing a whole piece on the story of the journalist who reported the odd behaviour with the Muslim Group on her plane a few days ago/

They are interviewing 2 passengers who were also on that plane

I think the show is called Scarbrough Country----might be repeated later in the day?

ShiksaGrrrl (#115),

Scarborough Country

Watch it by clicking the top story.

Geepers

Ah thanks, I wasnt aware of it earlier but thanks, no I am able to watch it on my TV, which I am doing now.

;-)

ShiksaGrrrl, Her story is completely consistent. But it's all just fears.

This has just reminded me of hearing complaints by a Nigerian Muslim of the racist attitudes he had encountered from Arab Muslims. "We Muslims are supposed to be brothers and sisters" he said, "But the Arabs think we are inferior to them".

PBUM: If you have been prescribed medicines that say you shouldn't operate heavy machinery, you probably shouldn't post here either. If Israel nuked Iran France would nuke Israel. The annihilation of all life on earth is a muslim goal, not a Jewish goal.

ShiksaGrrrl, Her story is completely consistent. But it's all just fears.

This is the feeling I got as well watching the interview.

In her original article, she mentions how one man runs his fingers across his throat in a manner that implied, at least in print, to cut ones neck.

But the motion she used on TV, showing it, wasnt like that at all and it was that one movement in print that had me concerned.

CCR
What mean non sequitor?

charles
cleanup in aisle 108

# 108 peace be upon me
I love the smell of nuked Muslims in the morning.

Start with Riyadh, Mecca, and Medina then urban renewal to tear down that trashy dome of the rock in Jerusalem at least you won't have to nuke it to get it done.

Oh I forgot where do we sweep the trash to?

ShiksaGrrrl,

In her original article, she mentions how one man runs his fingers across his throat in a manner that implied, at least in print, to cut ones neck.

that one movement in print that had me concerned.

It's what you translated it into in your mind. A sinister action.

That's what makes a good story.

And did her husband siting next to her "with my hands shaking" help fuel her fears? As they compared notes and agreed on their conspiracy?

And something that just doesn't add up is why would an arabic speaking man mouth the word "no" as a secret signal?

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State of the art of Euro-dhimmism:
[Link: bellaciao.org...]

Hey! Nation-building ain't working. Murder-cultists control 7 Iraqi cities. Not even Halliburton could make a buck in Islamofascist Iraq. Iran is going nuke. Iraqi Shiite clerics are uniting culturally with Iran's Ayatoilets. Hizbollah could launch a WMD attack on Israel. Something is wrong there. Those who point the finger at critics, point said finger away from folly. Say it: BUSH BLEW IT. Say it now or later, but you will admit it when your ad hominem' gas fizzles out.

Somebody's been in the gin.

Please do not forget that the war in the Sudan is the continuation of a Jihad which was officially declared about ten years ago and reaffirmed recently with the new Islamic government.

It is a Jihad initiated by the Arab Muslim north which officially instituted Shiri'a law and wants to impose it on the entire country including its large Christian population whoa re the victims of yet another example of Arab brutality.

The reasons are:

1) They want to kill or remove Christians from Sudan.

2) The Arabs want to make Sudan all Arab, hence the killing of Black Africans.

9) They want the fucking oil.

Where is America now?Didn't we rush to aid Muslim victims of Christian violence in the Balkans only to have the Balkan Muslims retaliate by burning down every church they can and butcher our citizens in new York City on 9-11-01?Did we not have UN authorization under Clinton to act on Muslims behalf in the Balkans?

It's ok to excuse these Satanists because they are Muslim and uneducated. But they are killing in the name of GOD. They are raping in the name of GOD they are burning and destroying and bombing in the name of GOD. When will we realize that they are a Satanic cult that is actually more like Nazism than anything else.

Read the story of the Battle of Tours in 732. The French under Charles Martel (Known as the (HAMMER) had no choice but to confront a Muslim army outside the city of Tours. Makes you proud of the French, they saved Europe from the fate that has befallen country after country at the bloody hands of ISLAM.

But think about it...we blame multiculturalism for allowing the spread of this disease. But how then did other contries and cultures fall to islam in its 1300 years? Was it a sort of tolerance that we see today, where Islam was able to germinate until it forced itself into the position of dominant power and also outright invasions?

So if that is the case then any presence of Muslims in a non-Mohammadian society certainly spells the begining of its Islamification...is this what history shows?

Maybe there will be a time when there will be another battle of tours where a worldwide Islamic Umma will try once again to conquer the last remaining non-Muslim societies on earth. Only now it is possible that they will have nuclear weapons.

From their fruit you will know them.

The blood of the blacks runs like water, we take their goods and we chase them from our area and our cattle will be in their land. The power of [Sudanese president Omer Hassan] al-Bashir belongs to the Arabs and we will kill you until the end, you blacks, we have killed your God.

Kinda catchy. Needs a good baseline riff - maybe they should sample some Simon & Garfunkel?

If any of you want to write a letter on SUdan to a well read AFRICAN (S.AFrica, most read newspaper in SA) then write to:

letters@sowetan.co.za

Send me your letter as well and I will let you know if they published it. I could scan it and send it to you.Please believe me, black South Africans need to know about this. You cannot believe how much they hate America.

Thanks to anyone who helps.

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From nowhere-to-nowhere department: senior Iraqi Sunni cleric declares Muslim-Aggression (jihad) against US liberators:
[Link: www.chinadaily.com.cn...]

Fellow LGFérs,

Please be advised that the reasons the terrorists kill Jews us is because they have "grievances". The BBC is 1st runner up for the Dhimmi of the year award behind France.

BBC Thinks terrorists have Grievenances

Any cocktail journalist reading this: please seek help now. You are sick.

#130 JAPAM

Of course they hate America. Who wouldn't when America gets such bad press. It could be seen that America always takes the side of Arabs and Muslims. Yet we are hated.

Question JAPAM: Do the Black Africans hate the Arabs that are causing them harm?

Question JAPAM: Is this a war of Muslim Arabs against Black Christian Arabs?

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Dore Gold (JCPA) denies the Likud-NeoCon link:
[Link: www.dailystar.com.lb...]

NeoCons are softline interventionists; Likud is hardline on counter-terror.

What we need to be sending to Darfur and the Chiristian & Pagan south isn't food. We need to send them Kalashnikovs, ammo, and folks to teach them how to use them effectively. The Arabs are about as brave as the French when someone actually shoots back...

This link is a studyby the Indian government on Islam. It ties with the Norweegen Kifir's link on the outlawing of Islam.

Outlaw Islam?

Horribly OT but quite chilling.

Read through the comments after the end of this piece pointed to by Jonah Goldberg at the NRO Corner, MASS GRAVES....Does this matter?

This is our next generation of Holocaust deniers where ever the horrors be found.

American Infidell, #139

How much more can Islam be outed? It is historically the most militant and warring religion on Earth. Everybody at least is aweare of this fact to some degree. It has caused more blood to flow in Europe and America and with mass media, there can be no mistaking Islam with the Quakers.

Sure, a revival ain't gonna happen Sure islam will continue onward trampling everythin in its way. I am for making it illegal if possible (I know that is impossible), but perhaps certain aspects made illegal, such as mass immigration of any Muslim with a suitcase.

I am for Immigration Reform Now in Europe And America, and Australia if possible. Either way, the Islamic Hordes will mass again on their quest for a worldwide umma, and who will be the next Hammer with the will to confront them?

Please read this bit of absloutely outrageos insanity. Once again the Robed fascists of the court are engaging in dictating from the bench at the expense of the safety of the people.

This assinine jurist ruled that the NYPD is NOT allowed to check everybody going to theGOP convention...truly sick. How did these people wind up in positions of authority when they are so damn stupid.

No Blanket Searches of Bulky Bags at GOP Convention

Re: Andrew2

Of course they hate America. Who wouldn't when America gets such bad press. It could be seen that America always takes the side of Arabs and Muslims. Yet we are hated.

Question JAPAM: Do the Black Africans hate the Arabs that are causing them harm?

Question JAPAM: Is this a war of Muslim Arabs against Black Christian Arabs?

Actually, its wrong to state that they all hate USA. But majority do simply because of what they read about USA. SA is an extremely leftist country. A beautiful and great place to live mind you.

Answer1: I imagine those that understand the ARabs are causing them harm do hate them. Im not sure if many of them far away from Sudan know that Arab militias are causing them harm

Answer2:No. Darfur is an an ethnic war. Its Arab Muslims wanting to get rid of all Black Africans - regardless of what their religion is. The war with the South is based on religion - Islamists vs Christians. The only reason they are making 'peace' is because of recently discovered oil in the South, which the Northern Arabs want to be able to purchase.

Good morning :)

#24 TalkinKamel

{{{{{{{{{Kamel}}}}}}}}}} to you, too.

And, I am taking some vibes from your good-luck-at-work camel dance for my flight, I hope that's OK.

#38 RWC

Thanks, guy. OK-a drink for Israeli lizards on you (it might have to be ice cream coz there's going to be kids around). I got BIG plans...so far Merav, Shira, Claudia, "wasltib", want to get together, and lizzy. I remember reaganite sent a hug for lizzy.

If there are any other hug requests-you can e-mail me, and I'll check e-mail every once in a while!

L'hitraot (see you soon).

Sorry Andrew2: I have just read some more of your posts. Obviously you know more about this than I do. Write a letter to the newspaper i told you about!

Mark Steyn is ringing in on the subject: Democracies dependant on visa section of Sudanese embassy to help. Cracked up UN beyond redemption.

Still minor coverage. The story is too strong and too un-politically correct. Maybe its still gaining steam, but my gut tells me the liberals can't stomach it. As I mentioned above, how can liberals have Arab women saying to black women:

“You are gorillas, you are black..”

Sure enough, bro', CNN's carrying a Reuters release which is sanitized. No gorillas were involved. And the bad guys are amply represented:

The Sudan embassy in Beirut said in a statement that the Amnesty report was aimed at defaming the government, distorting Arab culture and driving a wedge between Sudan's ethnic groups.

Wouldn't want to distort Arab culture, would we?

OT:

Israeli Forces, Lebanese Guerrillas Exchange Fire

By Hussein Saad

EITA AL-SHAAB, Lebanon (Reuters) - Israeli forces killed a Hizbollah fighter in a clash on the Lebanese border on Tuesday, a day after a Hizbollah official was killed in a Beirut bombing the group blamed on Israel.

Two Israeli soldiers were also killed in the fighting, Hizbollah's al-Manar television reported. The Israeli army declined comment, citing censorship rules.

A Lebanese security source said one Hizbollah fighter died as Israeli forces traded fire with Hizbollah guerrillas near the Lebanese border town of Eita al-Shaab. Al-Manar then broadcast confirmation of the death.

There were conflicting accounts of the clash. Hizbollah said it began when Israeli tank fire hit one of its observation posts. Witnesses said Israeli helicopters then struck a second position nearby.

The Israeli army said Hizbollah snipers fired first, on an Israeli military position on the border in western Galilee, drawing return fire and a strike by Israeli helicopter gunships.

Near the site of the clash, witnesses said Israeli helicopters hovered overhead as artillery fire rang out. Hizbollah officials in Beirut declined to elaborate immediately on the details of the incident.

Hizbollah played a key role in forcing Israel to end its 22-year occupation of southern Lebanon in May 2000. Hizbollah guerrillas took up positions on the border after the Israeli withdrawal and fighting has flared sporadically since then.

Syrian and Iranian-backed Hizbollah killed an Israeli soldier and wounded five others in May during fighting in the Shebaa Farms, a border area which Lebanon and Syria claim is Lebanese territory. The United Nations says it is Israeli-occupied Syrian land.

Hizbollah abducted three Israeli soldiers from Shebaa Farms in October 2000 and earlier this year traded their remains in a swap for Lebanese detainees in Israel and hundreds of the Jewish state's other Arab prisoners.

(Additional reporting by Megan Goldin in Jerusalem)

Dunno if this story's been posted before: Europe fears threat from its converts to Islam

ST.-PIERRE-EN-FAUCIGNY, France The Courtailler brothers grew up in this medieval Alpine town, children of a butcher who went broke, divorced his wife and moved to a job in a meatpacking plant far away. Two of the three brothers, David and Jérôme, educated in Catholic schools, foundered in drugs until they found religion: Islam. Within five years of David's initial conversion at a mosque in the British seaside resort of Brighton in 1996, the brothers embraced many of the leading lights of Europe's Islamic terror network. David, 28, is now in jail, and in late June, Jérôme, 29, turned himself in to the police in the Netherlands, days after he was convicted by a court there of belonging to an international terrorist group. The Courtaillers are part of a growing group of people who found a home in Islam and then veered into extremism, raising concerns among antiterrorism officials on both sides of the Atlantic that the new recruits could provide foreign-born Islamic militants with invisibility and cover, by escaping the scrutiny often reserved for young men of Arab descent.

Trust the spin masters at the BBC to save the universe of liberal assumptions by coming up with a creative way of telling this story without telling this story:
Khartoum 'backs Darfur militias'

A human rights group says it has proof that Sudan's government has been supporting Arab militias accused of killing thousands in Darfur.

The BBC has found a different human rights report to feature today which paints this as a political dispute -- and not a window into monstrous Muslim racism. No gorillas were involved. Its full of statements such as:

We can no longer trust Khartoum to police itself

Yawn. Go back to sleep. Its business as usual. The story is pushed to the daily sidebar and not futured with a picture. They do have a Sudan story in a box with a pix but it has a lefty do-gooder cast to it, something a liberal can get concerned about without having to think too much:

Ask the campaigner: How will a public appeal help Sudan?

Whoa, hold up everybody - the LLL comes to the rescue! Read this article in VOA for the left's plan for Darfur.

With the Bush Administration describing the situation in Darfur as ethnic cleansing and others, such as the Congressional Black Caucus, calling it genocide – there’s growing debate over what action should be taken in western Sudan. An American law professor says the issue may not be as clear-cut in a legal sense as some believe.

John Quigley is a professor of law at Ohio State University and the author of the books: “Genocide in Cambodia,” and “The Ruses for War – American Interventionism Since World War Two.”

Professor Quigley says whether the conflict in Darfur does constitute genocide “requires an analysis of the terms of the Genocide Convention.”

He says before Darfur meets the legal definition of genocide, a fact-finding mission should be undertaken.

He says this could be done by the African Union or the United Nations.

Darfur - A Law Professor Looks At Genocide Allegations

I'm sure this suggestion of a fact-finding mission will offer the greatest comfort to the African women who are being raped.

I used to think I didn't understand the hard left, now I think I'm getting to understand, and I don't like what I'm thinking. Wilful blindness.

159 American Infidel

Yeah, probably. I don't know why we don't solve these things with one bullet when we still can.

P.A. despot and lacky kiss and make up.

A sentence in an NRO story this morning reminds us of the obscene treatment of humanity and the obscene attitude of the left:

U.N. Human Rights Commission members such as Cuba, Egypt, China, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, and Zimbabwe.

Georgetown scholar's new book whitewashes founder of Wahabism.

Blistering Prager on Presbyterian Church

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ZERBISIAS equates FOX NEWS with AL-JAZEERA...

From its role in getting George W. Bush into the Oval Office, to sending Americans to die in Iraq, to working against the election of the Kerry-Edwards ticket, Fox is the White House's trained attack dog.

groan...

These b... merit their men!

#169 shadow's owner

The Zerb is an odious cow who suffers from BDS or BSE or both. Her opinions carry the intellectual heft of a rice cake.

Danforth enters the UN loony bin.

OT - Fox criticizing the New York Times

Fox TV is pointedly exposing the New York Times coverage of the Sandy Berger affair. One of the 3 anchors holds up the paper to show everybody the story is on (I think) page 17.

Mark Steyn on Darfur & the Sudan.

Read it all.

Sudan is getting away with murder

The Americans could probably make a difference in Sudan, too. The USAF could target and bomb the Janjaweed as effectively as they did the Taliban. But then John Mann and Harold Pinter and Rupert Everett would get their knickers in a twist, and everyone from John Kerry to Polly Toynbee would complain that it's "illegitimate" unless it's authorised by the UN. The problem is, by the time you've gone through the UN, everyone's dead...

We've tossed out the Maxim gun for daisycutters and cruise missiles. In Darfur, meanwhile, the Janjaweed on their horses are no better armed than the dervishes were. But we're powerless against them because we've fetishised poseur-multilateralism as the only legitimate form of intervention.

It is now time to wipe out all aggressive arab centers of gravity. Let's see how many rape songs these bigoted arab 'slims are singing when their homelands are melting.

Sorry WriterMom you beat me to that Steyn link!!!

I love this bit in the BBC report:

New York-based Human Rights Watch says it has government documents showing that officials directed recruitment, arming and support of the Janjaweed.

But Foreign Minister Mustafa Ismail said the documents were 90% false".

I thought 95% was the certainty level du jour for Muslim despots.

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David Limbaugh on What a typical Kerry supporter might believe.

Preemptive military action -- a first strike against a nation that is believed to constitute a threat to the U.S. -- is presumptuous, arrogant, reckless and irresponsible, even if the resulting military action also liberates the people of the target nation from tyranny and brutality. But unprovoked military action against a sovereign nation, such as Serbia, that couldn't possibly constitute a threat to the United States or its strategic interests is honorable and desirable

France is still waiting for Israel to explain Sharon's statement.[Link: www.reuters.co.uk...]

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OpinionJournal on al-Wahhab.

Now Wahhab has found a rare defender. Natana J. Delong-Bas, a scholar at Georgetown University, has written the first extensive explication of the theology. To call "Wahhabi Islam" revisionist is an understatement. Ms. Delong-Bas presents Wahhab, a man who personally stoned a woman to death for adultery, as a proto-feminist. There is, she asserts, no straight line from Wahhab to al Qaeda.

OT: Max Cleland (picks up live grenades) Rips Bush a New One -- proves own insanity in process

In a conference call with reporters, Cleland said the president went to war in Iraq “because he concluded that his daddy was a failed president” for not having removed Saddam Hussein from power after the first Gulf War. Therefore, Cleland explained, the younger Bush decided to “be Mr. Macho Man” by removing Saddam himself.

Cleland also said the president “flat-out lied” when he asked Congress to authorize war in Iraq. “He told us four things,” Cleland said, listing Bush’s claims of Iraq weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons programs, attempts to acquire yellowcake uranium in Africa, and ties to al Qaeda. “All of that was a pack of lies,” Cleland said. Both Cleland and Kerry voted to authorize the war.

“The president is living in a world of denial,” Cleland said. “So is the Vice President, and so is the Secretary of State.”

Cleland also said the president’s famous “16 word” contention that Iraq sought uranium in Africa “is a lie.” When asked if he believes former ambassador Joseph Wilson, the Bush critic whose story was substantially undermined in the new Senate report on pre-war intelligence, Cleland said, “I do believe that Joe Wilson is telling the truth. I believe he has tremendous credibility, and I’ve met with him personally for hours.”

Did they X-ray his head for small bits of shrapnel?

Georgia, you can do better. Never mind: Graham + Nelson.

It has always bothered me that so many American blacks have turned to Islam, the religion of total enslavement. By and large Muslim Arabs sold African blacks into slavery back in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. The proof of Arab Muslim depravity continues to this day. The article about the rape and humiliation of Sudanese black women prove without a doubt the racism of Arab Muslims. This kind of racism is not inhehent in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism. Why the hell to these blind, foolish African-Americans embrace the religion that detests and humiliates them for their color?

What total bullshit. Why was he stuffing them into his pants then? I'm sure that it is not because he happened to have extra room in there, the fat SOB. I wonder what he was stealing. And do you think that if this was Condi Rice who had done this, there wouldn't be just a slightly louder outcry of treason? But no, this was done by a dumbocrat, and therefore will only draw a "humff" from the almighty hypocrites on the left.

OT - Smile dear Infidel's and our Iraqi Brothers your on 'Islam Murders' Candid Camera' - A Chilling Iraqi Terror Tape

I do wonder if they receive any technical assistance...allo, BBC, Le Merde, Cnn...testing, testing, testing.

He was exhibiting the behavior of a thief...They always stuff things into their pants, and by his own admission he knew it was wrong, but unsure if illegal...

Stealing is wrong, and illegal...

If they are sending Martha Stewart away for what she did, they definitely have to send Sandy Berger to jail to become some dude named Bertha's sirloin.

As I said yesterday, why do incidents involving the Clinton administration have to do with taking something out of ones pants or putting something into ones pants?

It's stories like this that make me approve of fueling up the B-52's.

These are the kind of courageous men that Islam needs to redeem it from itself

but look at how he is being punished, in the UNITED STATES, for standing up for female equality. Female inequality is a deeply-seated belief, and I'm not sure Islam will successfully complete the transition into the adulthood of the religion as other religions have. It is still mired in the dark ages, quite clearly.

Catz

#190 Victory:

Not so fast. . . What got Martha into jail was lying to federal agents, which will get a person into trouble all the time. More on this later if you'd like.

Berger fessed up and said he took the stuff, so it will be much more difficult to hammer him. But he would look good as somebody's bun boy.

Honest question:

Knowing what we now know, are the Serbians still considered genocidal thugs or just a misunderstood people with tremendous foresight?

Hey, the Philippino hostage was released alive. Gosh those Arab 'slims sure are honorable people of their word! I shouldn’t let the hostage taking in the first place skew and distort my perception of this religion of peace, and those that choose to follow it’s precepts for murder. But then, I am just a stupid cowboy American. How can I be expected to know better?

OT -- BBC rescues Hitler

The BBC seems to come to Hitler's defense in this story by using sneer quotes around the word 'hero' for the people who tried to kill him:Hitler plot 'heroes' commemorated
Laater in the pix caption for one of the plotters there's this:

The Stauffenberg plotters are regarded by many as heroes

WTF is the BBC trying to tell us?

This might be of interest re: Sudan.

I'm glad that articles such as this, in the Guardian of all papers, are highlighting the sheer brutality of the Islanmist regime in Sudan. However, where were these articles, these actions in the UN, when Christians in the Sudan were being massacred?

A liitle tiny devil whispers in my ear, that these concerns for the people in Dafur, is because they are Muslims. If they had been Christians. Well, I wonder.

#194 A I:

My your on a tear this morning. Have got me all excited and now have to take a cold shower.

;-)

Berger fessed up and said he took the stuff, so it will be much more difficult to hammer him.

Are you kidding me? He is admitting to stuffing classified material down his pants and stealing them from the Whitehouse. If that doesn't warrant jail time, we might as well do away with any laws in this arena. Or we could go your way, and keep the laws on the books just for those that don't admit that they stole classified material form the Whitehouse. I guess if he apologizes on top of the admission, he should get his cabinet position back.

200 yankee zionist

Thanks for the link

# 19 EE:

Kofi and the UN will run and hide from the word "genocide" in the Sudan. If that trigger word were used, then the UN is mandated to take action immediately. They'll continue to use poite diplo-speak: Horrible, terrible, atrocity, etc. They will not use the word "genocide," especially considering Sudan sits on the UN's Commission for Human Rights. The UN wouldn't want their blantant hyprocracy exposed, as it would give too much ammunition to the US. Also, this is why the murdering of 800,00 Tutsis by Hutus in Rwanda was not genocide - the UN would have have been required to take action. It's easier for the UN to sit on the fence and piss and moan about mass murder than to actually do something to stop it.

How does one INADVERTENTLY stuff documents down one's pants?! Joe Lieberman would seem to know. He just claimed to believe Berger's lie about his theft.

Wow- on the other hand, Lieb just called it the "War on Jihadist terrorism"

That is a good step closer to the truth that this is a war against the west that Islam is forcing us to defend against.

# 207 Victory Now:

Uh, wrong thread?

# 207 Victory Now:
Uh, wrong thread?

Uh, Yup.

OT

The GOOD news for today:

35th anniversary of first moon landing

American ingenuity and know-how.

God Bless America.

OT: (big news) Chechen Muslims Forget Takiyya

The Ingushetian Shura Council in Chechyna has declared jihad. Of course, jihad has been raging there for some time, so this isn't really a new development, but there is a noteworthy point in their communiqué: the jihad is so that "the Earth could be cleansed of unbelief."

This assumes an endless jihad against unbelievers, until Islamic hegemony is established everywhere. This is traditional Islamic doctrine, but since it is obscured and denied by so many taqiyya artists (that's deception as allowed by the Qur'an, 3:28 and 16:106) and dhimmis, it is useful to see what they're saying about it in Chechnya -- which is the same thing, by the way, that jihadists today are saying worldwide, though few are paying attention.

Remember, when they say "Islamic world" they mean "Earth."

Lying is recommended for "good Muslims."

No secular authority matters to "good Muslims."

If you cannot think like a medieval redneck, good luck with majority Islam.

Late to the thread, but just floored by how sickening these Janjaweed creeps are.

Amazingly sick.

Awaiting an ICJ decision any minute now.

I'm sure Kofi and his UN stoogdes will do sweet FA about any of this.

They'll just issue another condemnation of Israel and think they are doing the world a favour while these Janjaweed devils keep on doing what they do best.

Actually in my googling haste to find more information on Darfur I'd almost forgotten to react.

This is just so completely sick - I can't think how any prejudice however deeply entrenched could encourage a woman to stand by and encourage her man to rape another woman.

This is pure evil.

forget the Berger story being buried in the New York Times... I DIDN'T EVEN GET MY TIMES TODAY!!! it's 10:00am, and I've yet to see a copy in front of my house, as there is every other day of the week! They must really not want me to know anything...
I still got the WSJ though.

we will kill you until the end, you blacks

Can't get any clearer than that. One doesn't have to listen to anyone here explain it to them. Just listen to their own words and see the evil.

Until the end. Not until any dispute is settled over land, politics, religion, etc. Until the end. And they will kill them, not push them out or take over power. Kill them. Until the end. And why? Because they are black.

How many American blacks converted from their Christian roots to Islam because they bought the line that Islam loves them and was their first, true religion?

I hope everyone has read the River War by Winston Churchill- circa 1890's. Fascinating read; Churchill is very readable.

Not much has changed in Sudan since then. The same old Islamic zealotry, mixed with slavery of blacks, rapes as intruments of social policy, etc etc. Same deal, different time.

Churchill calls the Mahdi and his followers as barbarians. A couple ogf years ago, this would have been deemed racist. However, reading what is happening in Sudan, 'barbarians' fits the bill pretty well.

Winston Churchill, as so often, gets it right, even though he is speaking across time of over 100 years.

As our war in the defence of civilisation languishes in confusion, I do so hope that we had a Churchill to clarify what is at stake. Pres Bush is clearly not up to the task. He left it to Tony Blair and though PM Blair has done a good job, he is no Churchill.

#199 Luigi

Dunno. I always respected Rommel both for being a good (brilliant) soldier and then trying to kill him when he thought Hitler needed to die. Too bad he and the others failed, repeatedly. Trying to kill Hitler almost defines "hero." It would have been nice if the Germans and Austrians didn't support Hitler at all, of course.

192 American Infidel

Back in April, 02', Condi stated 'We'll forgive Russia, ignore Germany and punish France.' Islam's dead meat...just about every country under, or within, its sphere of operations is in the beginning upheavels of civil war.

All I can say is 'faster please.'

If a poll was conducted in Europe or Canada which asked individuals which person they thought was more evil, President George W. Bush or Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir, who do you think would win?

#225 abu-hoo-hoo

punish France

Yeah? When?

This is very OT but I thought I'd post it because it's so strange. This is a blog by an American expat woman in Italy.

The whole story is still obscure. The ship, belonging to a German humanitarian organization, picked up thirty-seven alleged refugees from the Sudan who were crossing the Mediterranean in a rubber boat. The ship then sailed for Italy, requesting permission to enter one of our ports. Italy denied it for some time. As the ship was German, Germany ought to have taken care of the passengers. Germany, with its red & green gov’t, flatly refused to do so. Also, the ship should have sailed for Malta first, but the Maltese authorities would have nothing to do with it. In the end, as was to be foreseen, Italy caved in, the passengers disembarked, and it turned out that they were not from the Sudan and they were not refugees.

The Joy of Knitting

OT -- Toga Party

What starts out as a critique of a TV show seems to meander into a call for an American Empire. Interesting:

Ted Turner Humanizes Terrorists

American Infidel #187 -

That's a bit over the top, wouldn't you say? After all, Arabs are "white," too, although the LLL has done its best to include them as "people of color" so as to better champion them against the "transplanted European" Israelis.

American Blacks were sold a bill of goods by the likes of Elijah Mohammed, who was a vicious racist. He created a hate-mongering pseudo-cult which had very little to do with real Islam in its beliefs and practices.

American Blacks were (and are) attracted to the idea of Islam, because they were incessantly told that it was more "authentic" than Christianity, which was forced on them by slave owners. They were promised that Islam accepts everyone without regard to race, color or nationality. At a time when the US was mired in segregation and discrimination, that must have looked pretty good. It was a way of asserting themselves, gaining a modicum of dignity, returning to their alleged "roots" and rejecting what they perceived as the "slave mentality" all at the same time.

They were never told that Muslims spread Islam by the sword in Africa. They were never told that although some slaves were Muslims, most Africans practiced their own religions during the 17th and 18th centuries, when the slave trade was at its height. They were never told that the Muslims were up to their eyeballs in the slave trade, either, and Black Muslims in the US will deny it to this day, as they deny the dirty little secret of Arab racism.

I have Black friends who became Muslims and have now rejected Islam and returned to Christianity. They have come to realize that Islam is not the magic bullet they thought it would be. It does not confer instant African authenticity or provide any real link with an irretrievably lost cultural and religious ancestry.

I have had long, serious discussions with these friends about the search for those links. What they envy the Jews for most of all is our knowledge of our history and preservation of a continuous culture and peoplehood. They mourn their inability to really know where they came from. They are not accepted as African by Africans, either - they feel they belong nowhere.

What I say in response is that the only answer is to build a new culture here, based on hundreds of years of history in this country, which they have done (although I'm not going to get into all of the dysfunctional aspects of it here).

After all, the Jews were once divided up into twelve tribes, ten of which disappeared. We eventually gave up the tribe-based identity in favor of a larger concept of nationhood. We adapted to new countries over and over and over. And who the hell knows what any individual Jew's ancestry is beyond a few generations? We've been everywhere in the world, interacting and mingling with every other people. We are every race and no race. My mother used to get p.o.'d at me when I said that the Jews were the biggest bunch of mongrels on the face of the planet. But, as everyone knows, it's the mongrels who are stronger, smarter and more adaptive than the purebred dimwits. ;)

OT:
HateFest at NZ rugby Forum Alert

Hatefest

A few highlights

Join up this little green football site and bombard them with abuse. It's fun! C'mon guys and gals lets go.

Its pretty obvious why the fuckheads are reacting the way they are. I tested out their presidential poll:
1. George W. Bush
10344
73.9%

2. John F. Kerry
2602
18.6%

3. None of the above
719
5.1%

4. Ralph Nader
339
2.4%

Republicans extend an Olive Branch to American Jews when there is something in it for them and at no other time. It's all about Money and Republicans are World Beaters at playing the "Religion Card" when it suits their Plan.

George W. Bush if he had his way would abolish every Religion except the Religion of the White American Protestant, that is how Totalitarian he is in his own small mind.

For American Jews to accuse the NZ Government of Being Nazi's is really very absurd. As the Western Countries one by one continue to Ignore "Big Brother", they the United States of America will contunue to lash out against any and all no matter what size.

They will censure a foreign governments right to follow it's own Rules because it might just alter slightly from the American Master Plan.

America make friends when it's convenient to make friends and not because somebody is Pleasant.

America is even quicker to make enemies and is willing to do so to Nations that fought side-by-side with them and spilled equal if not more buckets of Blood for the same cause.

History means little to Americans if it's somebody elses.

You are nver to disagree with the American cause until told to do so. New Zealand was protecting it's borders by arresting the 2 Individuals whomever they may be. As a result of this, New Zealand has been labelelled an Arab State.

How fucking Jingoistic can peole possibly be? Don't ask me because apparently I'm a member of Al Queda, afterll I'm a Canadian aren't I?

As to Martha Stewart, she was not under oath when she talked to the federal agents, and that's what she was tried on. Her basis for an appeal looks pretty strong. Because if you can be sentenced for 'perjury' while NOT under oath then more people will be facing jail time.

As to Sandy Berger, I doubt very seriously he will face any thing very serious. He was Clintonista's security chief, and that's his pass from not going to jail. You will go to jail for an old parking ticket before he does.

Whatever slick willy's having covered up, destroyed or misplaced is probably something that will scare about a 100 years worth of life out of all of us if we knew.

228 - Luigi
that, is kinda funny. Definitely starts off as a critique of a show, and then it isn't... my favorite part;

Margulies says. "One of my favorite scenes is the one where my character says, 'I cannot support a way of life in which Muslim women aren't allowed to eat, sleep, work or breathe the way they want to.' And after I'm through ranting and raving, one of my analysts, who happens to be Muslim, looks at me and says, 'Have you ever bothered to ask a Muslim woman how she feels about that?' I mean, the arrogance of someone assuming that they're miserable just because they don't live as we live!'

riiiiiight... so after we ask, and she gives us the answer that her husband wants her to, we leave and he stones her for speaking too loudly... who wouldn't be happy?

I think everyone here is waaaaaay too critical of the Arab Janjaweed. They have "grievances" you know...

#83 Dianna
#75 TS
I hate to yell at anyone on LGF, but...
What's been happening in Sudan for twenty years has not been a matter of the muslims being isolated. Please rethink that post.
Two million people have been slaughtered.
In Darfur, the people slaughtered, 90,000 or so so far, are frequently muslim themselves, just black, and subsitence farmers on the edge of the Sahara. This is the policy of the truly terrible government in Khartoum.

I'm not sure why you want to yell at me. But rest assured I understand what is happening in Sudan, I know there there have been two million, at least, deaths of black Christians and animists in the south and that it's been going on for over 20 years, and now the possibility of a million deaths, at least, of black Muslims in the west, all carried out by the Islamist arab government of Sudan.
What I am saying is that it's not a coincidence that when the killing of the southern black non-Muslims subsided, due to pressure, that is when the mass killings, rapes, etc. flared in the west against black Muslims.
These things are connected. And, to me, it shows that when Muslims are isolated and kept from killing the non-Muslim other, they will start killing one another.
Because you know what will happen if they (God forbid) kill or drive away all the black Muslims? They will then commence to killing the half black/half Arab Muslims...and then if there are none of them left, it will be Arab on Arab killing. So, it's not so cut and dry, in my view, as just a genocide on blacks in Sudan.
It's about Islamist ideology to me. They NEED an 'other' to kill or oppress. That other can be non-Muslim, or can be a different ethnicity, or can be a different sect in Islam.
As far as the isolation comment:
Look what is happening around the world as Muslims find themselves blocked from killing the infidel, look what is happening now that Israel built the security wall, look now that Pakistan is forced to fight terrorists in their own country...hell, look at Iraq, Muslims are being targeted and killed by other Muslims...so while I see the Sudan situation with it's own characteristics, I also see it's similarities regarding the pressure the Muslim world is feeling to reform.

Maybe I have to revise my website behavior. I used to read Rugby Planet regularly.

"A man is known by the company he keeps."

Shame. I'll miss the game reviews.

# 236 TS:

Good post. Your last line:

so while I see the Sudan situation with it's own characteristics, I also see it's similarities regarding the pressure the Muslim world is feeling to reform.

makes it sound as if Islam is having one last binge before going on the wagon of reform. I just can't see them standing up and saying to the group: "Hi. My name is Achmed. I used to jihad every day. But now I've been jihad free for 3 days." {Polite applause} The other question is who would be their buddy to call when the urge to jihad is overwhelming?

OT, but ... Taqquiya, anybody?

I particularly like the idea that toilets are unclean. WTF? It's where I keep a copy of the Qu'ran on a hook.

Well that's it...we can now officially rename the 'European Union' to 'Euthanasia Utopia.'

"In a Europe with nine percent unemployment and 50 million poor people, we need to make sure people understand the importance of (European) policies"
[snip]
"We will have to look at countries close to us, in the Euro-Mediterranean ambit in particular...
[snip]
There are many points of international policy which are going to be requiring our attention, particularly situations close to us, in the Middle East."

This coming from the new President of the European Parliment, Spanish Socialist Josep Borrell, a strong opponent of the war in Iraq.

Can we just get this over with? Any changes, reform, in the middle-east will flush the EU down the terlet; they're dizzy enough from swirling around in circles all these years - we might as well pull the chain now.

If you feel the need to do something, writing representatives and media is probably the best we can do to stop the genocide. For more immediate help, this older guardian piece links to organizations where one can send money to help. I don't know much about the reputation of any of the aid groups, but I'm fairly certain the UN group wouldn't be your best choice.

The Guardian seems to have left out Franklin Graham's Samaritan's Purse, which I'm sure was an oversight.

#243

As I say from long time, jettisoning the worst and most backward words of Allah, and accepting the state/religion separation, would make Islam a decent religion. But evidently some people prefer cultivating their own fantasies of total war...

#65 Zakwhich

What is it with LLL's and Palestinian olive trees? They have such tender feelings for them, almost as if they were intelligent creatures (a tenderness they never extend to murdered Israeli children.) They're more upset about cut down olive trees---especially if they're old and useless, and can't produce fruit---than they are about Arafish robbing his people blind, or Israelis being blown up on buses.

#73 rosh

Thanks for the article. Gee, when the evil, wicked, rotten Serbs were accused of practiscing ethnic cleansing via rape, didn't the Left, and the media, go all ballistic, and demand we go to war against them, which we did? (Without a UN mandate, I might add.) How come's they're so quiet, now? Isn't MM going to make a movie, "Janjaweed 9/11"? Aren't Bubbles, and Susan Sarandon and all the rest of the Hollywood Harpies going to protest? Isn't Oprah going to do a special?

/Sound of crickets chirping. . .

Hmm. Maybe if somebody could offer proof that the janjaweed militias are raping centuries-old Palestinian olive trees. . .

/And forcing the trees to wear pink panties on their branches. . .

#145 Writer Mom

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226 Dirk

If a poll was conducted in Europe or Canada which asked individuals which person they thought was more evil, President George W. Bush or Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir, who do you think would win?

You could try it in the US as well. It should be interesting. One could also put OBL into the list.

American Infidel #235 -

I agree that the Nation of Islam as conceived by Elijah Mohammed is a racist cult; and it is not Islam, just as what the so-called Messianic Jews practice is not Judaism. Elijah Mohammed made it up out of whole cloth, inventing an entire ideology based on the demonization of Whites, with a smattering of Islam thrown in for good measure. After his death, the NoI moved towards more traditional Islam under Wallace Mohammed, although the likes of Farakhan remain unreconstructed bigots.

What I'm talking about is American Blacks' conversion to real Islam. I don't think that the primary motivation for that was racism. Islam was attractive because it was the "Un-Christianity" and, supposedly, a return to what was touted as Blacks' "original" religion. It was a way of rejecting their slave experience and achieving a sense of belonging which they craved. Many have come to realize that it is not the answer, either, but to have to admit that the Arabs are racist, too, is a bitter pill for many Blacks to have to swallow. They're in denial.

And the problem of Blacks' ambivalence about success and "whiteness" is not really relevant and is a whole other issue that is way too complicated to get into here.

My problem with Clarence Thomas has nothing to do with the "Oreo thing" or his conservatism. IMHO, Clarence Thomas is a moron who has no business being on the SCOTUS. His only experience was in running a governmental administrative agency, his appointment to which was the result of affirmative action (Talk about biting the hand that fed him!). He was never a litigator or even a judge of any kind. He does not have the intellectual wherewithal to hold his own - he is merely Scalia's puppet. His appointment was an insult to the memory of Thurgood Marshall. I don't like Scalia's or Rehnquist's points of view on most matters, either, but at least I can respect them for having brains.

As for Condi Rice (and Colin Powell), all of the Black people I know were very proud that Blacks were appointed to such high offices and saw it as a tremendous step forward. I'm sure there are LLL's of color who subscribe to the whole dopy "Conservative = White" equation, but they are a decided minority. Belafonte's calling Powell a "house n*gger" did not go over well in the Black community.

223 Americamn Infidel

The River War is available ONLINE abs free.

[Link: onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu...]

Its only about 250KB and so a pretty quick download.

I could not stop once I started. The description of the arid deserts, the cruelty of the land and the people, all these are written by a man who knows. The battles are described with a keen eye, as Churchill was in the thick of it.

I attended a rally in front of the Sudanese embassy in Washington and we were heckled, and slightly threatened, by members of the New Black Panther Party. The rally was sponsored by a Jewish organization. Apparently they don't mind blacks being killed as long as they can hate Jews.

#247 AI

Maybe the socks were in his pants.

If you look at the map of the world, and you see where Islam is dominant, what you see is barren, uninhabitable, lifeless emptiness. Look at where Israel is and the earth becomes green again. Islam must be destroyed if the planet is to be saved. Think about this: Holland, now home to some of the largest mosques in the world, was once a Christian country. Holland was able to build land up from the sea, and create more territory for herself, and now she is sinking into a lawless morass now that she has jetisoned her founding principles.

#185 ashan -

Arabs dominated the slave trade by the 6th - 7th century. Islam has basically institutionalized slavery -- and slave-owning continues to this day. It's OK to enslave non-Muslims if you don't slay them for not converting.

Islam is not a "religion" - it is a philosophy of world domination even more evil than Naziism.

The horror of these actions is compounded by the fact that sex with captives is completely sanctioned within Islam. A "Right Hand Possession", according to Islam, is a woman who is captured during the course of Jihad. For a muslim, the usual rules of sexual morality are abrogated with regard to right hand possessions. So, the actions of the arab Sudanese fits squarely within what the Koran allows him; his wives are not opposed because he is acting "lawfully" (and, I suppose, because a right hand possession will never threaten her status, such as it is, as a muslim woman). Here's a relevant quote from the link above:

The second hadith shows that, many Jihadis were, at first, hesitant in having copulation with captive women whose husbands were infidels (polytheists, in this case). Muhammad (pbuh) sensed some trouble here. He realised that if Allah did not permit such pleasure to his Jihadis, then their motivation to cling to him will soon vanish into the thin air. He sought Allah’s intervention; and without any delay, Allah immediately obliged him by giving His foot soldiers the permission to ravish these captive women. It seems as if this whimsical Allah is promoting promiscuity among Mussulmans by codifying sexually deviant acts in his “holy” book.

Some Jihadis had sex with the captive women in the presence of their husbands and some were reluctant to do so (Sunaan Abu Dawud 11.2150)

Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 11, number 2150

Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Qur’an verse is 4:24].

One can have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is clear of her period and/or delivery. If she has a husband then her marriage is abrogated after she becomes a captive (Quran 4:24)…(Shahih Muslim 8.3432)

Sahih Muslim:Book 008, Number 3432:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)

Psychologist Chris Brand has a weblog: [Link: gfactor.blogspot.com...]
Maybe he has an explanations for Arab extremism.

#258 Cy: I can't speak to the legitimacy of your analysis of Muslim sexual depradations allowed during Jihad.

Unfortunately, your analysis falls apart in this case, because both the perpetrators and the victims are Muslims. Muslims can't Jihad against other Muslims. And I believe that we're not even talking about a Sunni-Shia type doctrinal dispute here either. So this barbarity has nothing to do with Islam - it has to do with ethnic and racial divisions within Sudan.

If you read the book Slave/by Mende Nazer
you will see just how evil all this is:

1) The african muslim sudanese mutilate their daughters
gentialia and then sew them up tight.

2) The arab tribesmen kidnap these young girls and
in order to rape them, sometimes have to literally rip them open.

When not being raped by the men, these girls are forced to spend long hours doing domestic chores for the arab women, and the girls are beaten of tortured if they don't do a good enough job.

Gordon:

You're right that Muslims are not allowed to conduct Jihad against one another. My impression was that the victims were not Muslims, from this quote:

"we will kill you until the end, you blacks, we have killed your God.”

If the perpetrators and victims are both Muslims, perhaps then it appears to be racism pure and simple, yet, I cannot help but think that the Islamic indifference (or even malice) towards those of a different religion might end up being easily transferred to those of a different race.

As for the legitimacy of my analysis, well, keep in mind that there is a wide range of interpretations of the Koran. My point has never been that all Muslims will condone the theology of right hand possessions I outlined above, rather, that such an interpretation (unfortunately) falls within the purview of mainstream Islam. Certainly the Hadith I quoted supports that interpretation.

# 260 Nodrog:

Muslims can't Jihad against other Muslims.

Since when? Muslims kill each other all the time. Binnie Boy did it, Zarqawi does it, the Iranians do it. Or is killing other Muslims just killing, and not, in your opinion, jihad? Jihad by any other name is still murder.

I don't understand. Didn't Malcolm X proclaim Islam the only religion suitable for black people? Though that's not quite as dumb as Cassius Clay/Mohammed Ali changing his name from that of an abolitionist to that of a slave-owner.

#264 American Infidel:

From the past stories I've read, the Sudanese victims have been mostly Christian and Animists, so that makes sense.

As for interpretations of the Koran, there is room for interpretation. Not all Muslims will agree on what the definitive word of Allah is. The Koran opens itself up to interpretation because it has so many inconsistancies between the verses Mohammed wrote in Mecca and those he wrote later in Medina. Mainstream Islam resolves this by "abrogation", that is preferring the more later (usually more bellicose) verses over the older verses. There are those (a relatively small number) who will argue the other way. There is, of course, the split between the Shias and Sunnis, that mainly revolves around the question over whose can authoritatively interpret the Hadith (although initially the split involved who had the right to succeed Mohammed).

In general, human nature is such that people will tend to "interpret" things. This sometimes extends to things that should otherwise be unambiguous (cf. postmodernism's criticism of science). What's more, people will often commit evil that is not sanctioned by their religion, but convince themselves they are not committing evil. The problem with Islam is that the interpretation which sanctions objective evil, like sexual slavery, is well within the mainstream, in fact, woven into the fabric of the Koran, in my opinion.

Arab singers? I heard it was Linda Ronstadt...

American Infidel (#269),

and said America was a Nazi state...

Is that right?

Do you have a linky?

271 American Infidel

The Weimar Republic preceded the Third Reich.

American Infidel

Perhaps that two of you can combine your brain powers and google Sudan Christians, and you shall quickly learn, that the killing going on in the Sudan goes something like this:

Yes, the Muslim Arab Sudanese from the north of the country have been killing Black Christians in the south. IN
Darfur, which is in
the west of the country, though, the victims are Black Muslims.

American Infidel

Ahh of course, that means that Hitler and the Nazis just all of a sudden appeared...K

Not at all. But it does mean that Ronstadt didn't call the United States a Nazi state. Granted, calling it a pre-Nazi state isn't particularly complimentary, but words are important.

#274 Ben-ami: Thank you for clearing that up. Cy wasn't sure, and was at least open to the possibility that the victims in Darfur were fellow Muslims. American Infidel on the other hand, doesn't want to let any facts get in the way of his Islamobigotry.

My understanding is that the Christian-Animist South and the Muslim North of Sudan have entered into a peace treaty after their 30+ year civil war. The problem started when the British didn't separate the southern part of Sudan from the north when it was a British colony, or protectorate, or whatever. And since the northerners were more organized and more numerous, they've been alternately ignoring and tormenting the peoples of southern Sudan ever since.

However, if Southern Sudan gets a true measure of independence, don't expect an African version of India to rise up from the ashes. More likely, expect another Zimbabwe, or Congo, or Central African Republic, or Ethiopia. Just another famine-ridden mis-ruled African "republic."

One more point, Cy and American Infidel. Note that our host doesn't refer to these women as "Muslim" women, or "ROP" women, but rather "Arab" women. He was educated several months ago in a rather nasty and brutal thread to the fact that the Darfur victims are also Muslims.

277 Gordon

He was educated several months ago in a rather nasty and brutal thread to the fact that the Darfur victims are also Muslims.

I just skimmed that thread. I'd like to say that it was surprising that there were so many people who were seemingly unable to absorb the simple facts of the situation in Darfur, but it wasn't.

I hope that people are still horrified about the rapes in Darfur now that they've been told that the victims aren't Christians, but Muslims.

Gordon...these black Muslims are looked upon as apostates, as they do not submit to their Arab betters, because they got sick of being attacked and abused by them.
I believe most of them are Sufi, to an Islamist being a sufi is pretty much apostate anyway. Put on top of it you are black, still honor your African heritage, and you dare demand to be treated equally...forget about it.

So you might as well classify this as jihad, not to mention the janjaweed seperate the war spoils, including women, just like Mohammed instructed them to do.

#197

The Serbians were the bad guys because of their close ties with the Russians. The war against Serbia was a power play to squeeze Russian influence from the European continent. The muslims were a useful tools in that play. The situation is analogous to that of Afghanistan in the 80's. My personal felling is that a great injustice was done to the Serb peoples. They were fighting for their Jerusalem and it looks like they've (temporarily I hope) lost their hold to their ancestral land. Israel should be supplying the Serbs with military and diplomatic assistance. I feel great shame that Israel followed the American lead in this operation. We all should have known better, given our collective experience in Afghanistan.

Gordon:

If Israeli whoite Jews were butchering Black Jews from Ethiopia, Im sure the world would not bring Judaism into it at all now would they?

Well, just because the Ethiopian Jews are poorer than their white counterparts (they arrived with nothing...duh!) African magazinesseem to be highlighting the Jewish aspect involved.