Oh. My. God. This is too much. Maybe that's how Cynthia McKinney got back in???

"integrates residents of the city who are disenfranchised in the decision-making process in schools"

Um, they are disenfranchised beacause **they shouldn't be here!!!** (Not in all cases, granted)

I don't know how you Bay lizardoids survive ..
:-(

First?

As much as SF thinks it issnt part of the US, I think the courts will rule differently if the ballot passes.

# 3 DP

This is the 9th circuit we're talking about!! Don't bet on it ...
:-(

Transnational Progressivism: It's What's For Breakfast.

Hey, I got an idea.

Why don't all the LFGers go to one precent in San Francisco on election day and say we want to vote. We'll elect the most obnoxious right winger we can find.

All right, I'm here working in SF, so here's the lowdown. Matt Gonzalez is a city councilman/county supervisor (we are combined) who lost a bid to be mayor last year. He is not running for reelection. He is the hero of the unwashing LLL masses here. He is also a Stanford and Columbia trained lawyer masquerading as a "working class Hispanic" lawyer. It's bullshit, of course. He knows that the California State Constitution says very clearly that no one can vote in this state unless they are 18 and a US citizen. End of story. There was also a wonderful quote from Leland Yee, who is now "representing" SF in the state Assembly, complaining that his poor mother who raised five kids in SF but can't vote because she is not a citizen. Folks, she has been here for 51 YEARS.

Can one say Kaddish for a country?

Interesting that the Frisco el cubos are so concerned about extending voting rights to non-citizens, but not a whit concerned about the lack of democratic freedom in the Arab/Muslim world. How about working for the Palestinian's voting rights for a change, instead of throwing stones at Israeli tanks and holding enraged protests about the "apartheid wall"?

Heh.

And NEXT month they'll be introducing legislation allowing family members to vote by proxy for deceased relatives.

And in September they'll be introducing legislation allowing pets ("they are thinking, loving beings!") to vote as well, by proxy, through their owners.

And THAT oughta be fun to see as politicians scramble to win the "crazy lady with 100 cats in her trailer" vote.

I'll be there to vote, or will they send me an absentee ballot?

“I believe this is important because it further democratizes our society,”

Democracy /noun/ Two wolves and a sheep voting on who's for dinner.

Which is why we have things like Constitutions to limit who can be eaten, and who gets to vote on the main course.

Build a security fence around San Francisco, Oakland and Berkeley.

# 7 s in E B

"Folks, she has been here for 51 YEARS. "

Well. you know how the citizenship test is just a tool for the white Bushitler cronies to keep the others down -- it must be impossible to pass!

/the sad part is you've probably actually heard a version of this before ...

OH yes, to hell with the state constitution, the federal constitution and the state laws. Just ignore them, no big deal. Let's get all these illegals registered so we can over run the legitmacy of those who are running for election. Hell if they can do it in SF, they can do it elsewhere in the state and then on to nationwide efforts. You don't need to be here legally, you don't even have to be a citizen anymore...sovereignty what the hell is that?
These sobs are seditious treacherous bastards.
The fact they are even trying to get it to fly is illegal. Making what ever is to be voted on unqualified, uncertified.
You better wake up californicans...your state is about to become a annexation of Old Mexico!

Does this mean I can vote in the French elections? Whose running against Chirac?

i want the right to vote by proxy for every sperm I lose that doesn't fertilize an egg.

OT

Euro scum spit at Lance.
[Link: www.reuters.co.uk...]

PDM :

Can one say Kaddish for a country?

McKinney in Georgia (and DC).

Adnan in Islamtramck.

Shari'a in U Penn.

Reconquista in SF.

(Have I missed anything?)

The enemy keeps gaining ground.

excuse me while I go work on a landslide...

Ah, but special attention will be paid to ensure that military votes are accorded proper recordation (into the circular file). /hidden addendum to the charter proposal

You Americans better take a good look at what's happening in Europe, if you want to see what's in store for you. You better stop this, or I won't have a place to move to when I get tired of paying the Jizya. Sorry, I meant of course welfare to poor, oppressed Muslim immigrants suffering from racist prejudice.

What he said:

“I believe this is important because it further democratizes our society,” said board president Matt Gonzalez, author of the initiative

What he really meant:

“I believe this is important because it further demonizes our society,” said board president Matt Gonzalez, author of the initiative

Coming next to SF? Sharia for RoP residents, then sharia for all.

Get out of my country!

This has got to be overturned by the courts if passed. Would the ACLU help out enforcing the law??? After all, they love that "separation of church and state" ruling.

#10 LOL! I'm all for giving dogs the right to vote. Dogs would *never* vote for Sharia for example :)

Overturn this fu**ing bulls*it now !!!

There are some interesting changes coming soon to California. The population is increasing rapidly in two areas: the Central Valley, and the inland suburbs east of LA. Both of these areas are more Republican than Dem. And many of the young families in these suburbs and small cities are Republican, not Democrat. The numbers are changing. By the way, an aside for the California readers on LGF today: The Orange County Register has proposed a series of ballot measures to overhaul the state budget process. 1. The Legislature goes back to part time (in other words, they would have to have a real job), 2. If only one house of the Leg has passed a budget by June 15, it goes to the Gov without the other house voting, and 3. If neither house has passed a budget, the Governor's budget becomes law. Wow!

#19 Q,

McKinney in Georgia (and DC).

Adnan in Islamtramck.

Shari'a in U Penn.

I referred to the first two in a thread about the third as representing a gradual downhill slope.

Reconquista in SF.

It's been a good day for those who want to see America go to hell (and the day is still young).

Citizenship seems pretty easy to me. Mi suegro and his brothers and sisters all came to this country because their father needed medical treatment in Houston for cancer, and all of them are US citizens now. They're pretty sharp people, but hardly rocket scientists.

Back from Tulsa, beautiful scenery once away from the refineries, but a pretty laid back town.

I think it used to be somewhat common for non-nationalized immigrants to vote in school board elections.

#25 American Infidel
Isn't that something? Purely disgusting.

#32 Ed Moran

Did you once get drunk in Tulsa ???

Eh, actually, I goggled and this is fairly common. New York has been doing it since 68 for example. Some cities go back even further.

Google on (sorry, don't know how to do links in here): school board elections "non citizens"

#37 Rayra

That has to be one of the most concise and truthful posts that I have seen in a while :-P

San Francisco is the craziest city I've ever been to. Ever walked around "Tenderloin District"? If you haven't, don't. The bright side, SF is due for A Big One.

On topic, eh, nothing.

Above poster is right. New York allows non-citizens to vote in local election. That's fine with me since I don't live in NY. But the CA constitution says 'No'. Let's see, now, our most recent ex-Governor got thrown out of office because, for a lot of people, his signing of the law giving drivers' licenses to illegal aliens was the last straw. Matt Gonzalez has said in print here that the people of California will vote to change their state law to allow non-citizens (and illegals with kids in school) to vote. Doesn anyone out there want to place a bet on this happening?

I got a question?? How in the Hell are they going to keep track of this system?? Does this mean if I move to SF I can vote multiple times. 1st I could vote with my legal card then the one as my allias Hoolio from Mexico, then JoJo from Jamaca, then San Jaun form island X, then bubba gump from peru. If you are a illegal immegrant with no name in the system how exactly do they identify you as a illegal. What do they ask me my mothers maiden name yeah its Jesus excuse me Hozaa. Does this mean that now if I commit a horrible crime I can just move to SF and claim to be from the shanty town outside of teawana talk a little spanish then some broken spanglish and whola I get a fresh start as Holio Jaun diggler or what. Or hell work it backwards like say if I never have been arrested go get one of these Illegal's ID's then accidentally get arrested for a minor crime to get fingerprinted then travel around the US killing raping and pillaging and laughing my ass off at home as they get on TV and chase Hoolio Hozaa Bandito from SF. These people are freekin retarted and the fact that the LLL's can even get away with these kind of ideas make me really lose faith in the American population. It is sad when the majority see no hope in fixing things so they just let things run rapid and meanwhile nothing can change and nobody with new ideas can come along because the majority that would vote for him lost hope. Bush is the lesser evil but we need a 3rd group to come along to shake things up and get rid of the NORM that has formed in Washington. The two big parties are two entrinched fat and confortable to risk shaking the boat.

New York has been doing it since 68 for example

If true, sounds like some in New York are as oblivious as these folks in CA.
 

#38 Right Wing Conspirator

LOL

#37 Rayra 7/21/2004 01:39PM PST

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Dear God,

Today I got my first period!

Love, Margaret

While Republicans are a lot stronger than the Dems on these issues they dont' have the balls to change the norm either. America as immigrtation laws for a reason. The purpose is simple the immigrants are supposed to come in a controlled way so that they merge into the American culture were as uncontrolled immigration will do the reverse the American culture is merged into the immigrants culture. Especially when the majority come from one country. We already see the results of mass uncontrolled immigration today in the form of some of the policy that have been proposed and allowed to move forward. Like bilengual teaching in school and all Gov services why not Chineese, Albanian, Russian, German, ect... "amnesty" giving immigrants and even illegals Welfare and Medical hell even allowing immigrants that went back to mexico to get their benifits what kind of crap is that. Nothing will ever change until a 3rd party comes along that isnt scared to rock the boat. The 2 today will never change anything just let things slowly slide away.

What drives me crazy about this is that there are already plenty of countries rife with liberal/leftist policies. Why not pick one and move there if that's what you want, be happy, and leave America to Americans? If I wanted to turn this country into Yemen and the folks weren't buying it, I'd just up and move to Yemen.

I really can't fathom what's behind all this going on in the Democratic party, beyond hatred and ignorance.

#44 Throbert McGee

I did not see that one coming.
LMAO!

#7 Scott--

More on Leland Yee, who has now advanced from SF Supe to Assembly Member but has been outspoken on the non-citizen voting issue.

He is well known among local gardeners for a goofy rant about how a perfectly reasonable program to restore native plants in San Francisco green spaces was xenophobic plot and akin to ethnic cleansing.

Plan to save plants too toxic for some -- 11/18/02, SJ Mercury

One supervisor, Leland Yee, took umbrage at the notion that only native species should be kept, and exotic ones eradicated, comparing it to racial cleansing or "xenophobia."

"Plants and trees without the proper pre-Mayflower lineage are called 'invasive exotics' and are wrenched from the soil to die," Yee wrote in a local newspaper editorial. "How many of us are 'invasive exotics' who have taken root in the San Francisco soil, have thrived and flourished here, and now contribute to the diversity of the wonderful mix that constitutes present-day San Francisco?"

#12 Furious J -- "Democracy /noun/ Two wolves and a sheep voting on who's for dinner. "

Ben Franklin completes that thought by concluding:

"Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote!"

[Link: www.llywelyn.net...]

#46 Model4

Gonzalez isn't a dem, he's a Green.

That's why he didn't win the run-off and Gavin Newsom did, the City voted for the candidate they thought marginally saner.

Don't ask if that's true. Thank god that, like Scott in the East Bay, I only work in San Francisco.

Diana-you have to admit there are moments when SF govt can be sort of fun - like today, when Tom Ammiano referred to himself as the "senior girlie-man" on the Board of Supes.

Gonzales is a "watermelon" -- Green on the outside, red on the inside. Newsome (his opponent in the most recent mayoral elections) is a loathsome tranzi tool, but marginally better than Red Matt.

Gonzalez's "partymate" Peter Camejo -- a blue-eyed California gringo who pretends to be "Hispanic" -- is running on the Green Party ticket for Prez.

Camejo is vociferously supported by the "Muslim vote."

'Nuff said.

OT: These clowns are relentless

Annan Urges Israel to Tear Down West Bank Barrier

By Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Israel should heed a World Court ruling that it was legally obligated to tear down its West Bank barrier despite its unhappiness with the judgment, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said on Wednesday.

#51 Scott

Yeah, and what about the wonderful run-off between Amiano and Willie Brown, when you saw old money walking around with "Re-elect Willie" buttons? That was fairly classic, too.

Or what about Willie taking Gavin Newsom to Glide Memorial, and calling Gonzalez a racist? I loved that.

I think the next logical step is to prohibit citizens from voting. Those who want to vote in SF will have to renounce their U.S. citizenship.

quark2 #15

You better wake up californicans...your state is about to become a annexation of Old Mexico!

I think about half the ones who wake up leave.

Well, I work for the city, and I can tell you the union "activists" hate Newsom, but the people running my dept sure like him. Willie was an outsider to the old money in town, but he took care of business pretty much. With Gavin, the Nob Hill/Pacific Heights crowd is fully back in control. Fine with me. No Care, No Cash.

I haven't been drunk in Tulsa in almost ten years.

Business trip, working 'til 6pm each evening, then off to dinner and sidetrip to Oral Roberts University, which bears an uncanny resemblance to what "Tomorrow Land" looked like at Disneyland when I visited in 1969.

If a Non Citizen can vote in a SF election then how about a Citizen not From SF? Where are my voting rights in SF? I want an absentee voting form also. I'm being descrinated against my voting rights as an American citizen not being alllowed to vote when No Americans are able to.

I echo the sentiments of Egfrow (#60)--as a U.S. Citizen, *I* have a more legitimate claim to voting rights in SF than any illegal does, no matter how long they've lived there!

I could not wait for the backlash down the road that will occur and I hope the city government of has the cajones to face charges of treason against them.I want them hanged,shot and quartered and their carcass thrown out to the sea .They have no right to be called americans and I hope to God that the Governor of California and the people of the US starts cracking down on this traitors.

scott in East Bay

It's often said that many illegal aliens vote in all California elections. Is there any check to prevent them from voting anytime they like? I think I've heard that it's illegal to even request an ID at the polling place?

I cannot see how this law, if passed (and in moonbatville, it surely will be), could possible be legal.

There must be something in the State Constitution proscribing this.

#10 ccwbass:

And NEXT month they'll be introducing legislation allowing family members to vote by proxy for deceased relatives.

No need to bother with a pesky law; Chicago can show them how. :-p

Isn't this measure illegal under the no foriegn influence parts of the constitution?

I'm not a citizen of San Francisco (I live in a different state) - can I vote? Since it would be inconvenient to fly to SF for the election, could they mail me an absentee ballot? Oh, and which Republicans are running for office there?

aka Will-I don't know if it's state law or up to counties, but here in San Francisco a voter may NOT be asked for ID. Ever. (you know, "minorites", the homeless, illegal aliens, etc might be intimidated and not vote). In the suburban county I live in, they don't ask either. In all counties, you sign on the line next to your name on the list, and they are supposed to verify the signatures (yeah, right). In San Francisco, anyone can walk into City Hall, go to the Registrar's office and register to vote. No ID required to prove residency. You can say you are homeless. No address. No problem. You get registered as Joe Smith, homeless, party (Green, Workers World, whatever). So, come election day, you go to City Hall to vote. No ID, no nothing. Just say you are Joe Smith, homeless, and sign on the line that no one will ever look at. Dozens of people can do this, and then go vote in City Hall. And then go vote where they really live. One "San Francisco Special" is to drag all these people out of housing projects to register them to vote. They never do vote, of course, but Little Miss Indymedia can go vote in their place, since no one knows that Little Miss is not 80 years old and black. Welcome to democracy.

#68 Scott

Stop! Stop! You're giving away all the secrets!

San Francisco's weird election results are supposed to be mysterious and inexplicable. Like the ballot boxes floating in the Bay a couple years ago.

Scott and Dianna --

Meet me at the Starbucks on New Montgomery!

Scott - correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Politburo that runs this godforsaken place (like you and Dianna - I work here but live near Travis AFB) claim that people could no longer be pet owners but pet "guardians?" You see? Giving Fido the vote is only a matter of time.

If you ever want to see what a liberal government can do - come see the sewer that was once known as "The Athens of the West."

Then weep.

Is that Boston? I was there in the 60s, and I loved it. Never mind the politics then, it had a wonderful academic feel to it. Reminded me of Oxford, where you just wandered around going from college to college, with Harvard, MIT, UBos, UMass, etc. I have heard it has changed. Does anyone actually work there, or are they always on strike?

#70 Carolina

Name the day and time. I'm losing hope on the Meet-ups.

Diana-giving away all the secrets? My union just "ratified" (dont you love scare quotes?) the latest contract. All during the negotiations, our union people told us that "85% of members support blah blah blah". Strangely, neither I nor anyone I know at work every got a phone call or a questionnaire about any of these questions. I asked one of the union puppets at work about it, and I was told these figures came from meetings for members held onsite at work. I know those meetings- they have them here in my bldg. The average attendance is less than 10 people. (out of 1600 employees) But of course, 85% approve of... etc. Blech.

Model4:

I really can't fathom what's behind all this going on in the Democratic party, beyond hatred and ignorance

You're watching a national party go insane in public because they're terrified of becoming insignificant. They don't control the executive or legislative governments at the federal level, don't have a majority on the High Court, and don't have a majority of state governors.

So they're launching a general political assault wherever they control the legislative or judicial apparatus, including NGO's, mass media and the academy.

What bothers me is the Republican refusal to defend the political ground they occupy from these continuing attacks. W is so weak that his entire domestic agenda other than tax cuts IS the Democratic agenda.

It's a crime that W and the entire Republican Party, locally and nationally, have gone into hiding during an election year.

I'm pretty sure anyone who wants to can vote in San Francisco since the dumbass system is soo screwed up. Dianna's not kidding with the ballot boxes floating in the Bay (which I'm convinced were Willie Brown shenanigans).

But Scott's right - the tide is turning population-wise. In the recall election, Davis only one about four coastal counties (including S.F., L.A. and Santa Cruz). I even ventured the opinion over drinks the other night with a liberal (but a NICE liberal) that Hillary would never win California - she might get a sizable chunk of the vote, but I don't think she could win here.

And Dianna - don't despair about the meet up - we just need to set up a definitely place and time. I'll be there and bring my lurker friends who are addicted to the Board (and they know who they are). I may even import a few from other places. We need to go to a nice Moonbat bar, spout real facts and watch their heads explode.

...Excuse me..."Davis only WON..."

I was scared by hominyms as a small child...

Carolina Girl, were you? Homonyms flee from me. On the other hand, I used to dream of being trampled by Houyhnhnms.

I've not read all the posts, but this jumped out at me.

Under the proposed charter amendment change, parents or guardians of children in San Francisco schools - including undocumented immigrants - would be allowed to vote

If these parents are undocumented, couldn't they conceivably vote more than once? One man, multiple votes for non-citizens.

Dianna and Carolina Girl: You know, those meet-up boards don't seem to be working that well.

We had a pretty good turn-out in Chicago and the way it was done was one person (andthenblammo! in this case) posted on LGF threads (a very short post on many different threads) that there was going to be a meetup in Chicago on such and such a date and that anyone who wanted further info should E-mail him. When I did, he reponded by naming the time and some of the attendees and providing a link to the location. I E-mailed him back to confirm I could make it. Things went pretty smoothly. It seems to go easier if one person handles the details.

scott in east bay #68

Wow, it's as bad or worse than I'd heard. And the LLLs fight any attempt do anything so unreasonable as ensuring that only citizens vote, or that the person voting is the person registered (for all that's worth).

Sorry, my commute beckons. I'll check in later.

#78 Harvey

In this City, I imagine they already are. God knows the homeless people can vote, and all of Willie Brown's friends back in Texas probably vote.

Willie Brown is now going to run for Insurance Commissioner. The King of Graft reallly wants into the henhouse. But like Scott has aluded to, the populace has changed. Willie has never had to run for office outside the small area of San Francisco (i.e, Kern County, Imperial County, San Joaquin, etc.) so I don't think "Da Mayor" has a CLUE as to how much the people in this state hate his grafting little guts. It'll be quite the come-uppance.

See Willie.

See Willie run.

Run Willie run.

Preferably to Oregon.

I can't agree more with Carolina Girl. San Francisco's like Chicago in that even the dead can vote. Of course, that's only b/c Da Mayor wanted it that way. Don't know what's worse, Da Mayor or Gavin Nuisance...Dang...

Can't wait to go to drinks, Carolina Girl...you know the dril...just let the rest of us know...

To: The Bruce

It's a crime that W and the entire Republican Party, locally and nationally, have gone into hiding during an election year.

I agree wholeheartedly. I've never seen so many dawgs runnin' with their tails 'tween thar legs! Seriously, I'm aggravated with the Republican Party at this time, and WISH that SOMEONE (other than us) WOULD BE WILLING TO STAND UP TO THE LLL's.

L³ madness carried to the Nth degree!

As a British (EU) passport holder resident in Spain I can and do vote in local elections. I pay taxes and am on the electoral roll. I cannot vote in national elections. I can however vote in UK national elections by postal ballot. That all seems very reasonable and proper and as far as I know its the same all over the EU.

Now, how do you register to vote if you're in a country illegally and have no valid documentation?

Before I go, I must drop a quick link - Willie isn't running for Insurance Commissioner; he's taking the money.

Willie's Real Plan

So if I pop over to SF on holiday how many weeks should I go for to vote in the election?

Ral, I think it's three weeks, but I'm not positive. Make it a month, to be on the safe side.

San Francisco is a great party town. The bar-crawling is spectacular, the scenery is great, and you can spend a whole month wandering around. Check out Craig's List for an address and a room to crash in cheap.

Enjoy yourself.

This time I'm really gone. I will not allow myself to be ambushed by filing or anything.

Gay marriage isn't legal. They did it anyway and now it is being sorted out in the courts. If you think Florida 2000 was a Liberal Cluster, um, Mess, just think how fun it will be to sort out the California ballots.

As for not asking for ID when voting, I agree that it is scary. In fact, the last election (CA Recall) I had my baby in the front pack and let her vote (with parental supervision, of course) and no one said a word. Next time I am bringing my dog. Can I call him an assistance animal if he keeps me from voting a Liberal ticket? There is a t-shirt in that somewhere...

ot--LA county is going for the sales tax increase to 8.75% to help the sheriffs, who might need it.
However, don't you think major purchases might go elsewhere?
I think a prop 98 was for ERs and sheriffs, a few years agO.

#15 quark --

Mexico has already taken over Mexifornia. Hermandad & other pro-illegal immigration organizations have been registering Mexican citizens, including those illegally in the US, to vote for years. Voter fraud was clearly established in the 1996 eletion between Rep. Bob Dornan vs. Sanchez (Sanchez was declared the winner despite identified cases of fraud; not enough cases of fraud were proven to overturn results.)

The SFO board's action clearly violates the California constitution, & the California Supreme Court has upheld the state constitution before. Pray -- and fight!

But there are so many Mexicans in California, along with so many citizens of other countries, that Calif. is an endangered species. They are bleeding the state -- and citizens' pockets -- dry.

I'll re-assert something I said on another post: The US has 3 major enemies: 1. Islam; 2. Mexico; 3. China.

We face multiple dangers on multiple fronts and need to act to protect ourselves, our country, our rights as citizens.

#8 PDM -

I'd rather fight back first. We're not dead yet!

I wonder if we are sending absentee ballots to Mexico for them to pass out and return to SF?

Dasher - I'm sure that SOMEONE is sending the absentee ballots to Mexico and having a coyote bring them back to California on his next trip across the border. SUCK.

#44...
Hello God, It's me Margaret!

I nearly pee'd my pants. Thanks!

Between Lance being spat at my Infidels and SF becoming Mexicalifornia again... I needed a giggle.

Got it!

To modify an old Arab saying, Tranzi meet tent. Tent meet Tranzi. Got to keep them out.

#63 aka Will -

I was a precinct supervisor for CA elections in 1996 & another time. When the person gives their name & address, you have to check the rolls to be sure they are registered. Most hand over a driver's license to make it easy to spell the name, etc.

I turned away a number of people who gave names or addresses I couldn't find on the voter roll. My instructions were to send such people to the Registrar of Voters, who checks their identification/proof of citizenship, then gives them a ballot.

None of those I turned away could speak English (or speak much), yet it is a legal requirement to prove ability to speak, read, comprehend English before one can become a citizen. The Registrar of Voters told me no one from my precinct showed up with proof of ID & citizenship to vote.

"Motor voter" is the source of much of the fraud, because they do not need to go to the Registrar of Voters and prove citizenship, or even identity. Of course, it is felony perjury to sign the form stating you are a citizen if you are not. Hermandad and similar organizations get non-citizens, even illegal aliens, to fill out voter registration cards. Unless someone goes to the Registrar of Voters and objects to someone's registration, they are on the roll.

We need to revoke "Motor Voter" and require proof of ID & citizenship in order to register to vote.

#92 ibu guru,

I'd rather fight back first. We're not dead yet!

We're fighting now. But in the near future you may just be fighting for your survival and not the America we love. Today's news alone looks like suicide by Islam and suicide by Leftie.
I'm not a quitter. But, if I find myself on a sinking ship I certainly plan to get off of it.

I'm as conservative as they come,
and I had to vote Newsom, because our only choices were a socialist - Any twosome Newsom, and a communist - kill whitey and take his money Gonzales.

At the polling place (4 doors down from my house) I presented my drivers license and was told "oh no, were not allowed to look at that". Sheesh.

My husband went to synagogue tues for a current world affairs discussion, and was the only person under 65 in the room (he's 35), and the only conservative. Every senior in the room were panting about how they just had to get Kerry reelected, and distributed NY times clippings and anti Bush cartoons, and when my husband questioned their stance, they replied "well, the NY times and SF chronicle said so, and that's our source of the truth, they're very fair and unbiased.

The freakin Jewish seniors are LLL deranged here, too. And we thought we had a chance of a reasoned discussion of the issues..

The only hope for SF is the young professionals who want to keep their money and raise their kids, and can afford 600,000+ for a two bedroom home in a somewhat questionable neighborhood.
Hopefully financial and family concerns will steer their values, like they do ours.

#98 PDM

We're already fighting for our individual survival as well as our country's. It is a war we must win, because I see no rescue ship if we fail. Good must ultimately triumph over evil. But the number of evils sometimes seems overwhelming. Many fronts to fight on.

I also blame stupid things like the Moter Voter law, and those in the US who want illegal aliens to have driver's licenses. I'm sorry to say, I blame both parties for this foolishness, though Dems are worse...

Who cares about national survival when we have craven rats like this spitting on the country every chance they get!

Scott, et al--

I'm from the East Bay too.

The Grand Lake Theatre (local landmark) has a sign up that the owner changed the rating on Fahrenheit 911 (who cares what the rules are?).

I used to call the Postmaster/mistress in SF and get people answering the phone who were completely unintelligble, from Asian countries. And yet...they got jobs answering the telephone. Same at some of the local community colleges. Also, some union people now parade around on the sidewalks and make a lot of noise.

This stay in the Bay area has knocked a lot of the bleeding heart liberalism out of me. And yes, imagine synagogues where no one wants to get up to defend Israel. Not PC enough. Too many people in the congregation would get upset.

angeles -

Yes, our synagogue seems to care more about gay rights and John Kerry. When confronted with the fact that Kerry wants the UN to have more say about US powers and that they passed more resolutions condemming Israel than any other org other than the Arab League, the synagogue seniors just say that the UN provides balance in the world. Whaaa...?

I'm dumbfounded by the life-denying attitude and total disregard of Torah right there in the temple.

angeles and Andrea -

Sometimes, I feel like crying. I just don't get how people out here can be so sickly, bowing down to their own destruction.

Dianna - at the risk of being discredited, I must quote HWSNBN (hint-M.S.)

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I used to work at the Pacific Stock Exchange. I will never forget seeing Supervisor Tom Ammiano picketing the Exchange with some group of losers. What they were protesting against was not particularly clear - it was something idiotic like "Stop the Corporate Insanity!!".

What the hell am I, or people running businesses, supposed to think when city officials are protesting against the place where you work?

As insane as the stories coming out of San Francisco are, I still don't think people in other parts of the country realize how deep the generalized "Death to America" attitude is in SF.

#41 C-Low

I got a question?? How in the Hell are they going to keep track of this system?? Does this mean if I move to SF I can vote multiple times. 1st I could vote with my legal card then the one as my allias Hoolio from Mexico, then JoJo from Jamaca, then San Jaun form island X, then bubba gump from peru. If you are a illegal immegrant with no name in the system how exactly do they identify you as a illegal. What do they ask me my mothers maiden name yeah its Jesus excuse me Hozaa. Does this mean that now if I commit a horrible crime I can just move to SF and claim to be from the shanty town outside of teawana talk a little spanish then some broken spanglish and whola I get a fresh start as Holio Jaun diggler or what.

C-Low you are the worst speller I've ever seen but you make an extremely good point. If illegals are allowed to vote, and if poll workers are forbidden to check IDs, then it would be possible for anyone and everyone -- felons, random tourists, underage people, lunatics who are bussed in from God-knows-where -- to not only vote, but to vote as many times as they choose per election. In fact, as C-Low points out, you could vote under your real name, then walk down to the next polling station and affect an accent and vote again as an undocumented alien; and then just repeat the process all day long.

This is sheer insanity. I feel it has no chance of passing, and even if it does it has no chance of surviving a constitutional challenge.

#107 Uncle Joe

As insane as the stories coming out of San Francisco are, I still don't think people in other parts of the country realize how deep the generalized "Death to America" attitude is in SF.

If you want to convince anyone how prevalent this attitude is, all you have to do is send themk the link to these pictures I took a couple months ago in SF, including one protester holding a sign that says -- yep, you hit the nail on the head, Uncle Joe -- "Death to America."

No further comment necessary.

Hmmm, now I would classify myself as a liberal, but giving the vote to non-citizens is certainly a strange one...

When are they going to propose sending ballots to Mexican and French citizens.

Does this mean I can vote for Tony Blair and against Fidel Castro?

Whats wrong with this? In Australia english people that were in on the electoral role before 1979 do not need to be Australian citizens...