I bet that he uses the term "Religion of Peace" at least once.

First?

No doubt the Dems will have ample rationalizations for this one.

"willfully blind". Burkas help too, Charles. But it's the hatred that really blinds.

Well, you never really know. My dad went to both the University of Washington and U.C. Berkley and is republican through and through.

Okay, he's old enough that he graduated before the peaceniks hit, but it makes a good story. I doubt this iman got his imanship before Uncle Mo dictated his protonazi manifesto.

The qur'an is the worst possible basis for law.

It needs to be emphasized that the allegiance of Muslims is not to a country, e.g., the United States, but only to Islam, and their Allah.

the disloyal opposition is willfully stupid...useful idiots, I believe someone said

Man, that was one heaping helping of mind numbed Islamic psychobabble. Why don't they just shut up and meditate like the yogis and Buddhists do?

[There is no sovereignty except Allah’s. He commands you not to worship any but Him. (Yusuf: 40)]

Allah, (PBUHV), can just kiss my star spangled buttocks. That goes for these "clerics" too. What is a PHD in Islam? Better and more refined ways to cut peoples freakin heads off? This "cleric" is nothing but a clothset Islamist.

This disgusts me more than anything I've ever seen from the left.

IDF! IDF! Kill more terrorists, please. Our country seems to have declared a secret moratorium on killing the fucking enemy (Islamists). (May they all burn in hell).

Screw the leftists, they offer nothing but chimera, smoke and mirrors. *spit*

What I think is interesting is how oft Arabs get mentioned (e.g. in connection with airport security, and by Obama in connection with getting rounded up with their families, which was strange...), and now this blatant pandering to Mohammedans with an Imam doing the closing benediction... but how rarely 9-11 is mentioned. They seem to think of terrorism as a sort of floating, abstract danger which is hard to see, and completely lacking in connection to the philosophy of Mohammedanism, whilst forgetting the lives lost to it.

Will we see audience segrigration? Men on one side, women on the other. What a freaking group of wingnuts they've turned into.

God, I wonder what 'tales', true 'tales' reaganite will have for us...at least those he can mention.

You can bet that Dubya will not be outdone in pandering to the RoP (a term I believe he coined). After 9/11 he had more islamic visitors than a whorehouse before martyr day. There have been Imans giving prayers in Congress and in the White House. Sami Al-Arian was even invited by Bush as he was being investigated by the FBI.

Grover Norquist who plays a prominent role in the party politics is in thick with the Islamonazis, and will make sure that they are well soothed by the evil GOP.

Sadly, although the dems are far more likely to surrender to them, the GOP sure as hell isn't eager to call 'em out in public at their convention either.

My best hope for the Republican convention is that they realize that they have lost the Muslim/Arab vote and pandering only makes them look weak. It is best just not to mention how luvable the RoP is, than to lie to your base who knows better.

#10 Mashiki

Will we see audience segrigration? Men on one side, women on the other. What a freaking group of wingnuts they've turned into.

Good idea. Dhimmis in the back rows, please.

#4 CCR

Berkeley is the worst shit hole school in the US. I wouldn't send a dog there for training. He'd wind up biting all the wrong people and shitting on the carpet the first night home.

TAYRAHZA seems botoxed out....

#12 J. Lichty

If Bush wants to win he has to wake up and start realizing that not everybody that smiles is your friend. But then again, I wonder if he isn't bending a little taqiya their way as well. It can work both ways ya know.

I don't want America to be friends with any Islamic nations. I believe what we did in Iraq is good, but if the Iraqis fuck it up and turn into an islamic theocracy, then we write them off and wipe our hands of them.

Same for any nation we have to kick ass on. It's *they* who need to learn, not us.

J. Lichty: and when the Republicans trot out the imams, I'll be just as harsh. Possibly more harsh.

OT:

United Airlines flight forced to return to Sydney after hoax bomb threat

So while the Dems have their imam close tonight's get-together, the WoT slogs on.

TAYRAHZA is totally incoherent...

Falls Church, Virginia, ahh, my former residence--3898th holiest site in Islam, I tells ya.

Let me give a shout out to my crazy mujahideen peeps at the 7 corners Starbucks:

ALLAHU AKBHAR!

I am just waiting for all of this to blow up in the [bigoted word]s' face.
It'll be like shit on a brick.

Charles:

I know you will criticize the Republicans and have in the past. I am a republican so I am not lobbying for criticism. Nor was not insinuating that you were playing partisan. Further just because the other party may do the same thing that is not reason not to criticize this party of appeasement for this. I am sorry that message did not come through.

My point was just that our country is suffering from the RoP disease on both sides of the aisle.

#5 Azure

From the horse's mouth:

[Link: www.shiachat.com...]

Thought Georgetown was a Jesuit university. St. Ignatius Loyola must be churning in his grave.

As long as it's an Islamic blessing and not a Christian one! Are these people but the biggest hypocrites? I can't stand it.

What I see here is the illumination of the central problem in Islamic theology. It is the shar'ia that is inviolable, 'in the name of allah', etc...
As the clergy in Islam is hegemonic, often monolithic, and impenetrable to the great mass of the people - interpretation of Quran is done by the few, and powerful - that is, while certain narrow variance of 'interpretation' is countenanced, never when it threatens the status quo.
The system is defended by recourse to it being of 'divine origin'...hence 'unchangable', but also unquestionable while in the hands of the clerical powers of the time, (or place).

Contrast this to Talmudic Law, which is conceptually VERY much in the hands of the people, that is: - to anyone who can master the scholarship; and where there is no heirarchy except as through recognized and publically witnessed and accepted scholarship, and where while conceptually the original 'underlying' document, Scripture, is understood to be of Divine Origin - Talmudic Law itself, this vast body of tort law, can be questioned by anyone, at any time - seeking new interpretations to evolving human circumstances.

#24, Connecticut Yankee. He isn't just spinnin', I'll bet he's trying to figure out how to get back and off the sumbitch.

#17 Charles

Yeah, and I'll be with you on that, even as a former Republican. I can't be loyal to a party anymore. I am only loyal to the US and my faith, which also has suffered over the years.

Charles - Don't miss this beauty.

[Link: www.debka.com...]

It is very flustrating to see the Lefts embracing of Islam-o-facists when its as plane as the nose on your face that if Shar'ia were to be the law of the land it would be the LEFTS favorite token groups that would suffer the most and first.

Homosexuals would be stoned to death in sports stadiums and the events would be broadcast on live TV

Women would be locked away in thier houses and treated in a more horrendous fasion than since the end of the feudal peasant system.

Slavery would be re-established as a legal institution.

the first amendment would go out the window... every card carrying member of the ACLU would be fuel for a great bon fire.

Blacks would be treated with greater scorn since the sixties.... Aibed (aribic for the english terms, black, slave and filth) would soon replace the N WORD as oft heard curse words directed at black people.

All abortion clinics would be converted to female circumcision clinics.

and the list could go on and on and on....

and yet the left embraces these people while sneering 'FACIST" at republicans. Their hate of the right is so great they would embrace cannabalistic, satan worshipping puppy torturers if the republicans declared them evil.

For them it has become not just "Anybody but Bush" but "Anybody and anything as long as it isnt Republican"

I'm watching this nut speak right now, spewing illrational rhetoric about America with a thick accent.

Oh waite sorry, it's Terrisa Hienz.

The scholars of Usool-ul-Fiqh meet the scholars of Useful Fools.

You could probably find talk like that at a Christian university -- as an abstract point of theology. And some Americans, at least since the days of the abolitionists, have claimed God's law trumps man's law when the two clash.

The problem with modern Islam is this kind of legal fundamentalism is not on the fringes. It's at the core.

The passage above is about individuals. But it might as well apply to nations. Can a nation whose supreme law is the Qu'ran and the hadiths also obey international law?

Brave Muslims like Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im have wondered this, too. Should a nation living under Shari'a be trusted to follow the rules in the international community?

Sudan seems to be answering the question. I wonder if any of the Democrats will talk about Darfur.

Detracting from Allah’s oneness in legislation is no different from detracting from His oneness in creation and omnipotence. The One who commanded us to accept His decree and omnipotence in all things is the same one who commanded us to refer and defer to His shari’a in all legal matters.

This could be bolded too perhaps.

Awaiting Jack Frost to tell us more about the Christian theocracy that endangers us all...

Can we deport them yet? Internment? Ankle bracelets?

This charade that Muslims care about our constitutional republican democracy must stop. It's called takiyya. Until they admit knowing as much about their own faith as I do, I cannot trust any Muslim I don't already know.

The ones I know I'd like to question.

#26 Tiburon

I agree, and then there is Christianity, where any moron can start a "church" and preach whatever, as long as they can sucker enough people to believe their crap. Many fad beliefs etc.

That drove me from the church.

I can't believe what I'm seeing.

Grain of salt on this source.

From [Link: www.beliefnet.com...] - Chapter 2, Verse 190: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. This portion of the Koran was written in about A.D. 606, when the Prophet Muhammad and his followers were under attack in the city of Medina, says Imam Yahya Hendi, a Koran scholar who is the Muslim chaplain at Georgetown University. There, they had established their own state. But various coalitions of non-Muslim tribes — including Christians, Jews, atheists and animists — continued to go to war with them. This portion of the Koran explains their reasoning behind striking back. The passage actually refers to a defensive war, says Hendi: "You fight back. You go as far as it takes to stop the aggression but you do not go beyond that. So if you have to, you go as far as fighting verbally to get someone out of your home — but you don't shoot him after he is out. You don't keep going on with it — only if you are attacked, if there is an oppression applied to you. The idea is that justice prevails. You don't fight because you enjoy fighting, but because there is an oppression. "It could be military force or [in today's world] it could be media force, writing against you. But when the hostilities are over and the enemy offers a peace treaty, you should submit. Muslims are obliged to submit to a peace treaty offered by the enemy. You don't keep fighting."

From UBL's Fatwah to kill Americans.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

I! I oppose! I wonder to hear more of the nice Imam and great bad music!

Oh oh don't let the party end!

YEEEARRRGH! I'm going to pound a few beers with Howlin' Howard!

/sarcasm

OT: Europeans at the UN are shocked that Arabs there adamantly refuse to condemn anti-Semitism in a proposal at the UN General Assembly.

[Link: www.haaretzdaily.com...]

Tryin' To Make A Difference!

#29 Doobie

from your Debka link, near the bottom: -

DEBKAfile’s sources add: that the monopoly regime shared by Palestinian and Israeli entrepreneurs in consequence of the 1993 Oslo peace accords is still alive and well.

You know, what goes around, comes around.
Great news, if accurate. One of the first real rifts I've seen since the "internecine feuding" (which I've never bought into, so far) began in Gaza. The Natshe(Hebron) and Dura clans represent a formidible force.
Will they live?

#27 gymnast

You're right-- I had forgotten that Ignatius had been a soldier before he became a priest. That's why the Jesuits were organized and trained like a military order in their early days.

#30

Good list. And don't forget pagans, Wiccans, and rustica. Not all are on the left, of course (a good friend is fiercely pro-Iraq and working there to rebuild the water systems), but we seem to get more lip service from that direction when there's trouble. Under Shari'a, it would be chop-chop for us.

#33 Model4

Jack Frost ... LOL whatta maroon.

#23 Arrr
Good find, you're exactly right; Islam first has highest score for American Muslims. I hate that, but am not surprised. An online Islamic course? Shudder. Propaganda, not facts I'd wager.

P.S. Is that "arrr" related to Robert Newton as Long John Silver at all?

No surprise, coming from the Dhimmi-crats.

(But, yeah, the GOP will kiss up to the ROP too.)

#42 Connecticut Yankee

Depaul is Jesuit as well and it's signing Norman Finkelstien's paychecks.

Georgetown is a classic dhimmi university with people like John Esposito running the M/E studies department. It's also a primary institute for US foreign service training, something that Al Qaida thinks is a devil's clinic.

It amazes me. Everytime the islamic bashing starts the perps start in on christianity too.
I am a Christian. And, I do not go around preaching beheadings, stonings, genital mutilations, murdering, rapine, bigotry or hatred of those who are outside the premises of my faith.
So, why is it you posters can't show a little more restraint in your bashings? What's worse, is you consistently lump christians with those [bigoted word]s. Just not so, and it's getting to be right obnoxious.

#48 Quark2

I hope it's not considered Christian-bashing. All three monotheisms grapple with the issue of balancing God's law/man's law. It's probably a basic problem of any religion. To acknowledge that isn't the same as saying they're all three in the same state. Rather, it's a way to introduce the undeniable fact that two of them almost always do it very well and the other does it poorly.

"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." - Mohamed of Borg

Aint 39:

Europeans at the UN are shocked that Arabs there adamantly refuse to condemn anti-Semitism in a proposal at the UN General Assembly.

The Euros recognize that such meaningless actions of condemning anti-semitism gives them diplomatic cover for their jew-hating motivated policies toward Israel.

But the stupid Arabs won't play along -- yet again. You can bet that the Europeans (as the Irish did last year) will completely scuttle the resolution, or at most abstain from voting.

For shit sake, the Euros would not even vote to condemn attacks on Israeli children unless the Arab children were also mentioned.

#48 quark2

Bashing another religion helps color reality. It's like when talking about terrorism the likes of Nichols and McVeigh always come up despite the fact that they are two of about 10,000 terrorists.

I think Quark2 is referring to PostalWorker's #35 post.

#51 J. Lichty

Why is Europe counting Ireland among them? Send the pseudo-neutralists packing please.

I say that as an Irishman too.

In the spirit of the Democrat convention:

"It's Islam Stupid!"

They need to change thier mascot from the Jackass to the Ostrich.

(or, maybe Jackass is a good fit)

#48 Quark 2

I'm with Quark 2. Ease up on the Christian bashing, please. We're imperfect, but we aren't the enemy.

#52 - Axiom

McVeigh was not a Christian. He was an agnostic and referred to himself that way, not as a Christian.

I see said the blind man.

Y'all have fun then.

/sarcasm

#48 quark2

What you said. My comments about Georgetown were meant in sadness-- I went through graduate school with several Jesuits and they were not to be messed with. I certainly agree with you about the indiscriminate religion-bashing that crops up here from time to time.

Ahem.

And what's *WRONG* with Agnostics?

A terrorism-linked imam delivering the DNC benediction? Gawd, what next? Does Kerry make his speech dressed as Bizarro Superman?

Thank goodness Zell Miller is speaking at the Republican convention. That ought to shake some of the cotton candy out of some Dems' brains.

What about black christianity and black judaism who assert the real religion was stolen by evil whites. how do they fit into the scheme?

#35 Postal Worker, #32 Byronic106

In fairness to Christianity (not being one ;-)), I suppose we can say that while maybe centuries ago various churches practiced similar techniques, holding political power by fiat supposedly "based on Scripture" and hence 'the will of G-d' - the Church has grown and it's adherants are educated, literate, and value the same.

And while yes, there are perhaps still many who 'sucker in' the naive and spiritually vulnerable, (oh, and the High Anglicans and now Presbyterians with their LLL nonsense - perhaps another incarnation of the same?) generally, Christian Believers are impervious to this, they can read Scripture themselves.

That's the other thing, of course: - generally, (correct me if I'm wrong), Christians don't stray too far from the Source, Scripture, in their theology. If I've got this right then, it's sort of automatic that 'social engineering' on the scale we might expect from a sha'ria state, is basically impossible.
{The sort of things Mr. E. Train was spooking us with, in #30...}
Obviously, Jews stray pretty wildly far from the Scripture, at least in a surface reading without Talmudic exegesis. But then, we've got the "inside curve" ;-) And anyway, it all pertains to us, nobody else. We don't make 'other peoples beliefs' our business.

has the imamama had his say yet?

OT/

Does anyone have cba's email address?

/I now return you to your regularly scheduled Passion Thread. :P

As if we needed more proof that Kerry and his merry band of dhimmicrats have a lip lock on hte nearest Islamofacist tuchas they could find.

Lysander

#62 - Paranoid Brit

And what's *WRONG* with Agnostics?

When they are not blowing up Federal buildings and committing mass murder, they are fine people PB.

Also, I found this: Terry L. Nichols was not a Christian either until recently.

No idea if he was either agnostic or atheist before his "jailhouse conversion".

#51

Exactly. This would expose the Europeans that they have been appeasing the Arabs who would rather hate and murder Jews.

@69 RIP Ford

*LMAO!

Good news....so check yer email! :)

LGF is setting the highest log-ons and the largest thread-comments I've ever seen.

(cause for optimism?)

I don't think you need to even bother with Nichols and McVeigh's religious beliefs re: their motives.

Once you move away from Islam, most people's motivations are secular anyway.

What religion was the Unabomber anyway?

#62 Paranoid Brit

McVeigh's name came up on a thread some while back as a supposed example of a Christian political extremist, and several posters pointed out that McVeigh did not consider himself a Christian. I think Jimmy the Clam just wanted to make sure that that specific misunderstanding didn't resurface.

I don't give a shit if McVeigh was the Pope. I can hand you a copy of the Bible and you can read for yourself where what he did was wrong on many levels. Pick up a Koran, the story's totally different.

Christianity is a faith. It is not the sum of the actions of people who profess to be Christian.

#31 Loyd Dobber

Speaking of the devil, read her shit and weep!

This really knocks me out...

With John Kerry as President, global climate change and other threats to the health of our planet will begin to be reversed.

With John Kerry as President, the alliances that bind the community of nations and that truly make our country and the world a safer place, will be strengthened once more.

Here are some Hanoi john photos that beg for captioning. I wonder if he thought he was going to find one of the 'foreign leaders', like sadamn, who allegedly support him, and the color is so perfect for a fake fwog! The article is hilarious!

BTW, any Christian bashers will have to contend with this Jew....be warned. STFU

#64 Jakester, #69 RIPFord

LOL!

#75 quark2

I have no idea what that term means, but by his response I'll take it as good news. {Whew}

#80 NY Nana

I've heard from little birdy that you have cba's email address. Could I get it from you?

@74 American Infidel

Um....not putting anything past anyone...they might. :(

#65 Tiburton

Yes, that looks fair. Christ ("render unto Caesar ...") and his apostles didn't lay down a set of laws to govern every niggling detail of public and private life. Muhammad (OK, "Allah," if you insist) did.

There's always going to be a John Brown or an Eric Rudolph out there. You can find their equivalent in any faith. And you can bet the dhimmis will try to disarm you with a moral equivalency attack.

All the better reason to be ready for it; point out the disparity in numbers, and the fact that what is an occasional aberration in modern Christianity is the driving force in modern Islam.

Could this convention be any more painful to watch?? I had to turn it off after THK. She was the worst speaker I have ever heard in my life, and that's saying a lot. And I am so impressed that she could speak English, Spanish, Italian and Portugese. Big fucking deal. She can just eat me, the self-impressed bitch.

#80

To use language from the old country

"What a load of old codswallop"

But I have to say, we must never, never restrict free speech. Let her get up and speak whenever and wherever she likes. May the media swarm about her like flies around a camel's ass.

Then, shall victory be assured.

Not far OT, because the imam may be one reason: a lot of Dems have decided to skip the convention because they don't want to be associated with JFK:

EVERY DAY, Washington Republicans batter Democratic candidates with accusations that they're aligned with the high-profile liberals of their party like Massachusetts senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry and New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

In more conservative states across the South and Midwest the image of their Democrats sharing a stage and posing for pictures with these types doesn't usually sit well with voters. This year a number of candidates have opted to distance themselves their party's presidential candidate, John Kerry, by staying home from the convention or refusing to associate with the national ticket.

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

@80 NY Nana

I wuv you! :)

@83 RIP Ford

Talk to NY Nana, she can fill you in on the medical terms.
And she's had personal dealings with it too. :(

#85 Byronic 106

Yup, that about says it in a nutshell: -

the fact (is) that what is an occasional aberration in modern Christianity is the driving force in modern Islam.

GWB fell off his bike again.. I don't blame..he saw these pictures LOL

Sorry everyone, this has probably been everywhere before now, but could somebody please tell me where THZ is from?

70 American Infidel

what did he say?

you think there is a transcript?

#77 - Paranoid Brit

What religion was the Unabomber anyway?

He was an Atheist, as was the rest of his family.

Yoo,hoo, little birdie, did you forward it...and you know who you are! :)

#83 RIP Ford

I will do the job myself, since the above-mentioned, (winky, winky) AKA 'she whose name shall not be divulged', apparently forgot...ahem....

Oh s**T, I mean THK, duh!

#80 - NY Nana

Thank you!

#97 Fay
Mozambique, IIRC

#92 greenmiler

LOL I love that shot of Kerry and Dukakis together on the tank. :P

I know of no Mountain Bikers that don't fall off their bikes. In fact, it was very common to hear that if you don't come back from a ride bruised or bleeding, it wasn't a good ride.

I will kill any Islamist fascist that is bold enough to try to enure me to sharia law.

My blood will not be shed for any religion of infidels and hatred.

.

#96 NY Nana

LOL

Click on the nic to get my email address... :P

There are many things that Jesus did. He separated church and government. He liberated women. Just read about his conversation with the woman at the well. The impact was huge culturally and politically. He turned the path of retribution in lieu of adultary with his message of let him who has cast the first stone. There are many many things that were tossed upside down and changed with his ministry.
All of the things we see being accusatory does not apply to Jesus, it applies to those who came behind him and fell short.

Allahu Ackbar

Allah is dead.

#80 NY Nana

Thank you for your warning and support!

#90 quark2

How is your husband's health these days?

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OT-- for anyone who wants a photoshop photo-op: Jonathan Last posted a photo he took last night of MM and Jimmuh. People with queasy stomachs-- you've been warned!

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Charles - Why in the world is this picture not on LGF? It's as if you posed these two beauties yourself. See Picture

They may kill homos in Gaza, but that doesn't stop the tough guys from swapping spit every now and then.

Fatwa: Malaysian Muftis Ban Text-Message Games - Report

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia's guardian of Islamic law has banned Muslims from using text messaging to take part in prize-winning competitions, ruling that the practice is a form of gambling, a newspaper said on Wednesday.

The ruling by the National Fatwa Council, a group of Islamic scholars appointed by the king, means Muslims caught sending text or short messaging service (SMS) messages in the hope of winning a prize could find themselves in a sharia court, The Star said.

"These people spend a lot on these SMS but win nothing. This should not be allowed in Islam," the newspaper quoted council chairman Dr Ismail Ibrahim as saying.

Text message games, usually based on quizzes, can be a way for companies to promote themselves but can also be used by firms to make money from telecoms fees.

#80

Quoting THK,

In America, the true patriots are those who dare speak truth to power.

You are "power." You are one of the most influential people on the damn planet. Heinz has dozens of factories, most of them overseas. Benedict Arnold First Lady, yuk!

If you want truth, your husband is the worst candidate for president in my lifetime.

Get over your 1960s flashbacks and realize you've grown up to be what you hate: a sell out gold digger. Your husband the gigolo should be able to explain it to you.

#100 RIP Ford  7/27/2004 08:48PM PST
 
I know of no Mountain Bikers that don't fall off their bikes. In fact, it was very common to hear that if you don't come back from a ride bruised or bleeding, it wasn't a good ride.

We called them "blood-and-mud" rides as I fondly recall.

#110 denbike

We called them "blood-and-mud" rides as I fondly recall.

I had many a good ride. Even broke my collar bone, once... Ah, the care free days of a misspent youth.

:)

#80 NY Nana

Likewise, I hope, will the Jew-bashers have to contend with us Christians -- at least with this one.

The difference between Shari'a and Jewish/Christian "law" is, as I understand it, that the latter two are generally open to interpretation (plus the oft-quoted 'Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...'). I'm not an expert on Judaism -- far from it, except for the 'Three rabbis, five opinions' saying ;-- so I'll say nothing about that.

There has been freedom of interpretation in Christianity since the lives of people like Martin Luther and, not least of all, the Calvinists, who encouraged people to read the Bible for themselves. Call me an idealist, but I hold out hope that some such person will arise to rationalize Islam.

Granted, it probably won't be in the lifetime of anyone here. In the meantime, we have the IDF, US Marines and Army, and the Royal Regiments.

#48 quark2

I'm sorry you misunderstood. I was talking about fad religions. THose who introdice "new revelations" into the weekly sermons and mislead people. I used to attend a church that was very cool, untio they got into this stuff.

I was recieving phone calls from people asking me to attend meetings to "cast out my demons'. SOrry but that cit the tie for me.

I have a very personal spiritual relationship with the Great One. I don't need some hell shouter to lay hands on me and push me around.

I am NOT bashing my own faith, trust me.

Can anyone find a transcript if the RoP representative's benediction, by the way?

@106 Connecticut Yankee

He's okay, the VA has finaly evaluated him as 100 percent disabled, and cannot be trained. But his health is improving, the heart problem is stablized. As far as the head injury/PSTD that is a global head injury and I'll just have to live with his 'craziness' *LOL
Thanx for asking.

@113 Postal Worker

I understand. I was outside of the church for many years.

 
#111 RIP Ford  7/27/2004 09:02PM PST
 
#110 denbike

We called them "blood-and-mud" rides as I fondly recall.

I had many a good ride. Even broke my collar bone, once... Ah, the care free days of a misspent youth.

:)

LOL!

I broke a frikken leg(!), had to get carried out of the back-country. I'm older and much wiser for all the experience.

Hey, we bikies are almost hijacking a serious thread.

#113 - PostalWorker

I then stand corrected as well.

Then again, I think casting out demons might be rip roaring good time. ;-)

#99 Paranoid Brit

Thanks :-O

#106 Cognosus

No, you got it about right: -

that the latter two are generally open to interpretation (snip) I'm not an expert on Judaism -- far from it, except for the 'Three rabbis, five opinions' saying ;-- so I'll say nothing about that.

As I understand it with my own limited view, pretty well everything in Jewish Law (well, except the obvious stuff) is "open to interpretation". It's just that to get a 'new interpretation' accepted, you have to go back about 2200 years when the Talmud began to be written down (previously it was father to sun, teacher to students) and work forward, disproving the position of every generation's Talmudic 'Einstein'....and then when you're done with that, all you have to do is prove your 'new interpretation' based on everything they all missed, and of course in perfect harmony with the laws of Talmudic exegesis which are basically fixed from Sinai.
Sounds a little troublesome, I grant you, but it's been done - for instance recently mushrooms were deemed kosher for passover, despite that fact that they grow on fermented grain, which is chometz... Seems a small thing, but I suppose not if you're a mushroom grower selling to Jews! :-D!
Anyway, this is a partial explanation why most orthodox rabbis have another secular degree or two - like medicine, or astrophysics. They do it for the 'relaxation'. ;-)

#117 denbike

Hey, we bikies are almost hijacking a serious thread

Yup, I'm pretty good at that.
Anyways, time to hit the sheets, it's late in flyover country. We'll continue this another day.

G'night, y'all.

Do not, I repeat, do not click on the link doobie posted in #107 if you want to get some sleep tonight. Truly frightful.

122 DonnaV:

AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!

I should have listened to you. This is worse than monty pythons killer joke. I'm blind - need a braille keyboard.

#115 quark2

Glad to hear that his heart problem is stable now and that his overall health is better-- please tell him he has a lot of friends here pulling for him!

#108 SoCalJustice

Put a fatwa on you for using text messaging...you can't even make this stuff up.

I love how Reuters actually tries to rationalize these fatwa-crazy freaks' excuse for making this "ruling" with this last line:

Text message games, usually based on quizzes, can be a way for companies to promote themselves but can also be used by firms to make money from telecoms fees.

#13 NuclearTinkerbell:

I've questioned the whole lay ourselves infront of those who hate our guts for awhile. I've never liked moving too far from the status quo...must be that nasty conservative streak. But having a preaching by that individual...I really question it. I really hope the RNC doesn't do anything quite this...questionable either.

#80 NY Nana:

Some of those quotes are nasty. But you can do...so...much with some of them. Amazing at the amount of arrogance that you can get out of one person. The entire time she was talking I expected her to tell the people to bow down and supplicate themselves for her vast wisdom during her speech.

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On a different note, I keep getting flashes in my head of some wahhabi imam chuckling at the entire thing and saying...'soon...so soon'.

#116 quark2

NP, I should slow down and try to re-read before posting. I'm not really "outside" the church, just don't go inside very often. (I have to work on Sundays).

I still have my faith and will defend it. Just ask Nana.

Jimmy: I see the confusion, but I didn't bring up McVeigh and Nichols for the christian connection. I brought them up as non-muslim terrorists. An exclusive bunch those non-muslim terrorists.

#129 Axiom

Those people were on the edge, just waiting for an excuse to blow, and Janet Reno obliged them with Waco.

I told my wife that Waco was going to inflame the lunatic fringe of the right and sure enough ...

The Waco tradegy is just that. Janet Reno still has to answer for that. It was unjustifiable to let that scenario get to the point that children were burned to death.
Unbelievable and damning. You listening you old hag Reno?

#63 Sanity Inspector

Hello, me am Bizzaro Superman-Kerry, with my wife Bizzaro THZ. She am really ugly and obnoxious, which make her great charmer on Bizzaro World! HAHAHAH, Stupid Earth people prefer am liking pretty women with pleasant personalities! Us on Bizzaro World am having much more nuanced taste in females!

If me elected president of your rotten country, me will defend it by surrendering to all your enemies! Am't this smart? If us not attacking enemies, enemies not attack us, right? If anyone am bad to us, me will send those cops from "Law and Order" out to arrest them, since they always catch bad guy! Them not real, but that okay! Me will fire all real people in government, and hire T.V. characters instead! Me want Bonkers the Bobcat, from the Disney cartoon, to be Secretary of State, 'cuz him am smarter and prettier than Colin Powell. Buzz Lightyear will head space program, and Bizzaro THZ will be queen of Earth, with big crown of ketchup bottles on her head. Bizzaro Superman-Kerry promises french fries for everybody!

/Did me tell you me served in Vietam?

NY Nana:

KAMEL HUG!!!

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Allah = Satan

Well, that's one opinion, and the shoe does seem to fit the cloven hoof. But now that you've reminded me: What do Orthodox Jews say about the authorship of the Qur'an?

I assume that with all the mishegas that the Arabs have been throwing at Israel for all these years, someone must've issued a theological statement.

Is the Qur'an seen by deeply religious Jews as just a man-made fabrication to advance Arab supremacy, or are there schools of thought that the Qur'an was maybe inspired by Satan (meaning the provocateur in the Jewish story about Job, not the Christian chernobog)?

Or, has anyone considered the possibility that G-d himself inspired the Qur'an as part of some final trial by fire for the Chosen People? (As in, "If you can persevere and win over these crazy-ass Arabs infected with this mental virus called Islam, then I'll know My children are ready for the next big phase in My Divine Plan.")

I'm not endorsing these positions; I'm an atheist with maybe of smidgen of Deist who admires Judaism but doesn't necessarily believe in YHWH. I'm just curious as to whether any Jewish thinkers have speculated along these lines.

#129 - Axiom

No, I wasn't thinking in that direction. It just too often repeated that McVeigh and Nichols were Christians and in fact they were no more Christian than my cat.
Now that I think about it, my cat does not blow up buildings... that I know of.

That IS used very frequently by many Muslims as a kind of moral equivalency "proof" of "Christian terrorism".

I just thought it was important enough to point out so that we all have a response when an Islamist will throw that one out there.

Here's another one: Hitler was a Pagan. He was NOT a Christian either. That one comes up a lot too.

With John Kerry as President, global climate change and other threats to the health of our planet will begin to be reversed.

With John Kerry as President, the alliances that bind the community of nations and that truly make our country and the world a safer place, will be strengthened once more.

With John Kerry as President, there will be a negotiated peace between the haunters of old mansions and those present in the here and now, between those that are here in corporeal bodies and those ectoplasmic phantasms that have not yet found the light to follow. John Kerry will provide that light.

When John Kerry becomes President, our troops on the frontline in the fight against mosquito-borne illnesses will be brought home, for John Kerry believes that mosquitos can be more effectively managed by applying sanctions than by waging a costly and ineffective warfare against the carriers of West Nile Virus, malaria, and dengue fever.

(Next!)

Hitler was every bit a humanist as Stalin. Their beefs were ideology and power struggle. Both cut from the same bolt.

If John Kerry were President, there would not be droughts and out of control fires in California. John Kerry would make sure that the rain was evenly distributed, for it is clearly not fair that the majority of the rain falls in the east. America is all about fairness, and John Kerry will work immediately to pass a law mandating that at least 50% of the rainfall will fall in the west.

#113 Postal Worker

I was recieving phone calls from people asking me to attend meetings to "cast out my demons'. SOrry but that cit the tie for me.

Dang! And here I would just ask "but then who would I have to talk to?"

#137 SwampWoman

Kerry would also stop all erosion, and no species would become extinct. Cars wouldn't wear out and would get infinite mileage. No one would die, and all doctors would treat everyone for free. He will also lay golden eggs to pay for it all.

#138 SwampWoman

I just told him to mind his own biz and not to bother calling again. The guy went off the deep end. Maybe he didn't pay the exorcist and got repossessed?

Maybe next convention they'll have a female Imam.

#141 Hey, there you go! I wonder why nobody thought of inviting one before.....(ROFL).

#140 Postal Worker

I just told him to mind his own biz and not to bother calling again. The guy went off the deep end. Maybe he didn't pay the exorcist and got repossessed?

Well, you know, sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between the voice from God and schizophrenia.

#141 Bleeding heart conservative

Ya killin me. Hey, maybe it should be suggested. No, DEMANDED that a female Imam be represented. Can't leave out the imaginary critters at a convention or it wouldn't be democratic.

Tiburon,

Thank you for the insight; I find that entire subject quite fascinating.

#122, your warning came, unfortunately, a few moments too late. On the bright side, I now have several sleepless nights open to catch up on the news.

#139 Postal Worker

He will also lay golden eggs to pay for it all.

No, no, NO! Get with the Democratic program!!! All of this can EASILY be paid for once the evil Republican Tax Cuts which give people back some of their own money are repealed. After all, we don't have to pay for any of this shit, only the TOP 1% of the Richest Americans! (Who will immediately find tax shelters, and guess whose gonna be payin' for this shit?)

#143 SwampWoman

It's easy to tell. ;)

Just ask Elijah.

#146 SwampWoman

Gawd what WAS I thinking. What cracked me up was all the talk about health care costs and here John Edwards made his money suing doctors for things that are not scientifically proven to be their fault. This caused MY insurance to go from 0 to 250 a month. My employer buys cheaper and cheaper insurance each year, so I wind up paying more out of pocket on top of that.

He used theatrics in place of science to prove his cases. He also claims to channel dead babies' to juries. Sound like a Democrat?

I'd rather see them start laying golden eggs myself.

#148 Postal Worker

He used theatrics in place of science to prove his cases. He also claims to channel dead babies' to juries. Sound like a Democrat?

I think maybe he got his wires crossed and thought for a moment that he was John Edward.

I wonder which is more profitable, channeling dead people for television or channeling dead babies for a jury.

#136 PostalWorker

I must save "humanism" from Stalin and Hitler.
Pico

"Humanism" is not anti-Christian as it has come to mean in some quarters of modern discourse; in fact, late medieval and early modern humanism is just the opposite. Late medieval and Renaissance humanism was a response to the standard educational program that focussed on logic and linguistics and that animated the other great late medieval Christian philosophy, Scholasticism. The Humanists, rather than focussing on what they considered futile questions of logic, semantics and proposition analysis, focussed on the relation of the human to the divine, seeing in human beings the summit and purpose of God's creation. Their concern was to define the human place in God's plan and the relation of the human to the divine; therefore, they centered all their thought on the "human" relation to the divine, and hence called themselves "humanists." At no point do they ignore their religion; humanism is first and foremost a religious and educational movement, not a secular one (what we call "secular humanism" in modern political discourse is a world view that arises in part from "humanism" but is, nevertheless, initially conceived in opposition to "humanism"). Humanists were, as Pico demonstrates, syncretists; part of the philosophy of humanism was that religious truth was in part revealed to all, both Christian and non-Christian, so that part of their project was to conform non-Christian thinking, especially the thought of Plato and his followers, to Christian thinking, and to point out, through exhaustive textual scholarship, the similarities between non-Christian philosophies and religions and Christian philosophies and religion. The importance of Plato for Renaissance humanism cannot be understressed; among other things, it gives rise to a particular species of Renaissance magic which will, in turn, form the basis of what we call "science" as it is invented in the early Enlightenment (late seventeenth century).

#150 Beagle

I meant to say that neither of them gave serious thought to religion. If they worshipped anything it was power or themselves.

Still have much to learn here. Point well taken.

Demand a female Imam... hah hah, that's really rich. Could it be that there ain't any? As far as I know they have to get permission from their hubbies to do just about anything including walking closer than 10 feet behind them.

Wonder how all the feminists in the Democratic Party swallowed this guy being their representative. I read where the delagate representation HAD to be 50% women.

I suppose anything goes if a few votes from the Muslim population are to be had.

Demand a female Imam...

I second that. Why are Muslims and Arabs such an important minority all of a sudden anyway? Why can't politicl parties bring Armenian Americans or Japanese Americans or Buddhist Americans to do the closing remarks anyways? Aside from the Japanese interment camps you never hear about these segments of population. It would be a good opportunity to showcase people who are contributing so much to this country.

#152 Miggie

LOL Yeah and flying spoons and statues wearing high heels. ALL imaginary creatures MUST be represented.

I want to see blue meanies, apple bonkers and a flying blue glove at the next convention.

#153 veebee

[It would be a good opportunity to showcase people who are contributing so much to this country. ]

They are all to busy contributing to the economy. ;)

I'd like to hear a Korean convienience store owner, or a Mexican construction company owner. Let's hear it from the loggers of the northwest. Anyone but these pompous pie in the skyers.

It's freaking ponderous what they are saying. They might as well promise a pot of gold for each one of us, cause it ain't happenin baby.

I'm off call now and up too late. Good night all. A techie's work is NEVER done. Things just stay less broke for a few hours at a time.

Late to the thread, but wanted to affirm what
#61 Connecticut Yankee 7/27/2004 08:24PM PST
and
#48 quark2 write here:

What you said. My comments about Georgetown were meant in sadness-- I went through graduate school with several Jesuits and they were not to be messed with. I certainly agree with you about the indiscriminate religion-bashing that crops up here from time to time.
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It's tough to point out the social problems inspired by fanaticism or, in the case of Islam from what I'm learning, by outright doctrine, without becoming prejudiced as source.

Christianity is a process of change in a person and "church ceremony" and sitting in a pew does not Christianity make. So many people forced in earlier lives to just sit there and behave, who grow up to hate the idea of "Christianity" because of personal and/or familial issues affiliated with bad experiences...it's not what Christianity inspires or is. It's just the downside of human nature, all that bashing, distrust, maligning, insincerity, it's just the worst that human nature can spawn, it's not from Christ or an indication of Christianity.

I get trolled and harassed whenever I identify as a Christian, and it's always by people who accuse me of embodying their own personal failures and worst fears -- without any knowledge of me as a person, my life, my more profound beliefs and trials of decisions, all those things that makes for faith in works over time.

Anyway, I don't visit boards and share my worst fears about humans based upon religious doctrine, so it's difficult when I have to read that about a belief I hold (Christianity, as a Catholic).

About Islam, the world has reason to be concerned because of the obvious emphasis upon taking the lives of others and the assumption that others are subhuman and/or vile, even, if not of that faith. Again, however, it's important not to project those concerns onto others, particularly Christians and often, also, Judaists.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, thanks for the space, and I appreciate what quark2 and ConnecticutYankee have written here.

#133 Throbert McGee :

"Wide is the way but narrow is the gate."

So, I take this to mean that we've discovered the Divine Secrets of the Yahya, um, Brotherhood? ;-)

OT More Power to "The Grid"

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#158 -S- 7/28/2004 01:30AM PST

#133 Throbert McGee :

"Wide is the way but narrow is the gate."

Matthew 7:13-14, but what's that got to do with my question?

Some "American Open University" associates, although they have to adopt local curriculums:
[Link: alhuda.org...]

More articles which expose Muslim-Aggression:
[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

Target Florida
[Link: www.militantislammonitor.org...]

I'd like to hear a Korean convienience store owner, or a Mexican construction company owner

I don't know if its just NJ, or all over, but a couple of weeks ago my brother was complaining quite loudly about Pakistanis and ME's coming into this country in order to get 3% business loans and start up the convenience stores in his neighborhood, while those who were born here - who have contributed to their country for their entire lives if not for generations before - do not qualify for the same low loan rates.

So, don't think they are doing this country a favor - its vice versa.

#129

I see the confusion, but I didn't bring up McVeigh and Nichols for the christian connection. I brought them up as non-muslim terrorists. An exclusive bunch those non-muslim terrorists.

Non-muslim perhaps, but Tim McVeigh's attorney, Steven Jones, travelled to the Phillipines to get information about a possible terrorist connection, and later wrote a book about what he found:

"I believe Timothy McVeigh's role in the Oklahoma City bombing was a very minor one," Jones said. "A member of the conspiracy? Yes. The leader? No. The financier? No. The organizer? No. Timothy McVeigh saw his role as the cover for everybody else, to be the person to fall on the sword. It served deep-seated emotional needs that he had, and it furthered the role of the conspiracy."

However, trial Judge Richard Matsch didn't allow Jones to introduce any of this into evidence.

If you type mcveigh iraqi muslim into Google you'll get thousands of results, but one good summary is on
[Link: cbn.org...]

Keep in mind while reading that link, that all of this happened well before 9/11, well before al Qaeda was a household word.

For any of you who remain unaware of what Shariah law actually states, please find outlined below some examples. The complete legal texts and references for the below-mentioned examples can be found here:

[Link: boston.indymedia.org...]

1. Offensive, military jihad against non-Muslims is a communal, religious obligation;
2. A person who is ignorant about Islamic legal opinion must follow the legal opinion of a scholar;
3. The penalty for a Muslim apostate (someone who no longer believes in or no longer follows the tenets of Islam) is death;
4. When slaughtering animals for food, a knife must be used to cut the windpipe and gullet;
5. A woman is only eligible to receive half the inheritance of a man;
6. Marriage may be forced on virgins by their father or father’s father;
7. A non-Arab man may not marry an Arab woman;
8. A woman must seek permission from her husband to leave the house;
9. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman who is a Zoroastrian, an idol worshipper, an apostate from Islam or a woman with one parent who is Jewish or Christian, with the other being Zoroastrian; a Muslim woman cannot marry anyone but a Muslim;
10. A free Muslim man may marry up to four women;
11. Retaliation is obligatory in most cases when someone is deliberately murdered except when a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, a Jew or a Christian kills a Muslim apostate or a father or mother kill their offspring;
12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”;
13. The penalty for fornication or sodomy is being stoned to death;
14. The penalty for an initial theft is amputation of the right hand. Subsequent thefts are penalized by further amputations of feet and hand;
15. A non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim in court; a person who is “without respectability” cannot give legal testimony; a woman’s legal testimony is only given half the legal weight of a man’s (and is only acceptable in cases involving property); to legally prove fornication or sodomy requires 4 male witnesses who actually saw the act;
16. The establishment and continuation of the Islamic Caliphate (by force, if necessary) is a communal obligation;
17. Sodomites and Lesbians must be killed;
18. Laughing too much is forbidden;
19. Musical instruments are unlawful;
20. Creating pictures of animate life is forbidden;
21. Female circumcision, which includes the excision of the clitoris, is obligatory;
22. Slavery is permitted;
23. People may be bribed to convert to Islam;
24. Beating a rebellious wife is permissible; and,
25. Lying is permissible in a time of war (or jihad).

I know my fellow LGF readers care very much about winning the battle against disinformation and ignorance about Islam which is why we appreciate the wealth of accurate information found here regarding this blight on mankind.

But if we can easily Google info and post it for all to see why cant those in power whose job it is to protect their country and its people research before they invite such deceptive operatives to address a nation wide audience?

How can the Democratic Party get away with a allowing such a nefarious character from an Islamist organization praying at the conclusion of their convention?

My God, this has gone into the realm of pure moral bankruptcy on a colossal scale. Selling your country out to its enemies while promoting "Tolerance' Bush does the same shit with the coming Ramadan dinner. Who owns America? looks like the Muslims.

As if that isn't bad enough, it was as easy as A-B-C to quickly discover this imams agenda...the Islamification of America through the usual Muslim motus operandi.

They (Not the enemy but Americans) are actually using multiculturism to justify non-exclusion of the enemy within, all to the cheers of the enthusiastic Bush Bashers and anti-everything normal crowd.

I know many people still have faith in America, but we can not reverse this damage without a revolution against the oligarchs in power like the swimmer Kennedy for example, who has promoted the invasion of America since 1965. A revolution or civil war seems to be in our future.

I am sure that the leaps and bounds attained by Islam in America is the result of Saudi money. How else can such an antithetical immigrant group, from such poor countries be gaining such power at such breakneck speed...with the aid of our government!!!

What other group has suddenly become such a menace and presence in so short a time? I was always told that "The squeaky wheel gets the grease". But who would have known that we would be paying for our own demise by being reliant on Saudi grease to lubricate the assertive and demanding Muslim imports to America?

Look at this truly screwed up report about Philadelphia, the birthplace of our nation’s heritage and independence. What the HELL is this? Tribal Muslims, SEVEN THOUSAND - 7000 - to be relocated and financed for LIFE???

Citizenship to 7000 Ahiska Muslims

All the while, the band plays on in Boston, complete with Islamic blessings.

How can I continue to love my country when it leaders give every indication of perverting everything that made America great and seem to seek its destruction.

All I can say is God help America and our children.

#167

Oh, Charles... where are you on this one?

7000 russian muslims to be relocated to the US? We are AT WAR with muslim extremists and we're inviting thousands to come live with us? Really, this is just TOO MUCH. Why not provide free housing and meals for LIFE for those poor North Korean soldiers while we're at it too?

The Department of State is holding a meeting on the 2005 Refugee Admissions Program, TODAY, from 1 to 3pm. You can fax your comments to them at (202) 663-1364

andrew2

It's kinda funny, but Bob Dylan foresaw all this many years ago, when he recorded "Slow Train" circa 1979 (I think). Check out the lyrics.

The train seems to be picking up speed...

Why isn't this surprising? These people aren't idiots. Well, they are, but not for the obvious reasons. They think they'll control the Muslims after they use them to get into power (hmmm history repeating itself yet again). They have a flowery happy version of crazy old Nazi Charlie Manson's fantasy-- get the ethnics to do the heavy lifting of American/societal overthrow then come out of their holes and rule the world because they think their patsies are too stupid to do the job. As much as I'd like to see these idiots get what will come should the win out, I don't want to have to suffer the same thing too.

OT: We need a new computer. Does anyone have an opinion on whether AMD processors are really better than Intel? We're budget restricted. Thanks

167 Andrew

I have been posting about this for the last two days. As no one commented, I began to think that the news was so unbeleivable that LGFers had decided to simply ignore it.

These 7000 are going to get immediate citizenship, all benefits and how to apply for pensions etc. I thought it was the EU, and we in Britain that specialised in granting benefits to one and all, with special TLC for Muslims.

Oh well.

DP111 #171

I am simply flabberghasted. I want my country back.

#133 TM

I'd also like an answer to your thought-provoking question. I've printed it, and will run it by a rebbe next I talk to one.

#83 RIP Ford

Quit your kvetching! Oh, and check your spam, as I said. :)

#90 Quark 2

I wuv U2! kisses!

#98 Jimmy theClaw

We are all part of the same family, just different branches. You guys give us more support and love than any place I know of, and it is returned.

#106 Connecticut Yankee

You do the same for us. I am still recovering from clicking on the link. Yuk!

#107 Doobie

That link? Feh! It is eough to induce vomiting..consider this!...courtesy of Freepers. At least these 2 shave. Interesting....they seem more loving than these 2, and my theory re Hanoi john having halitosis is thus disproved, unless the little john has trouble smelling.

#112 Cognosus

That is what makes LGF what it is. BTW, it can also be "2 Jews 3 opinions'...#128 Tilburon's explanation is great.

#113 Postal Worker

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#127 Mashiki

I sincerely hope that she brings him down, but he is doing a good enough job on his own; that 'entry' into Boston in a water taxi, with 'Nam vets, goes down in history as the most distasteful ploy ever used by a candidate for President. It shows that money cannot buy taste or judgement.

#132 Talkinkamel

ROFLMAO!!!! Here's back at you!

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#135 SwampWoman

Too funny! Between you, TalkinKamel, and the other stand-up comedians, I am sore from laughing!

#166 Mentat

Thank you so much for the info. I have saved it in my favorites...strange name, when you think of the subject.

NY Nana:

Oh so true. They(and he) are not coming off so swift...ha! These guys are really lacking in the connect between people...the elites think that they are the greatest thing since sliced bread...but that's about it.

A small smile at all of the DNC convention so far...you can almost see the entire party imploding before your eyes.

#175 Mashiki

In actuality, I did not watch it. I do see reports on the local news between 11:30AM and !2:30 PM, and now, from 5PM-6PM, then the world news from 6:30-7PM, then the local at 11:00 PM..and hear it on the radio. It was a snippet on the local news around noon. Feh!

I have no intention of watching it, nor the Republican convention, even though I am one. They are nothing more than high school pep rallies, with no mystery involved, as the candidates are picked (ha!) during the primaries. Years ago, the conventions were interesting, as the candidates often came out of the proverbial 'smokey back rooms'. To be honest, I sometimes wonder if the old system didn't work better! They certainly did not cost enough money to fund 3 small countries as they do now.

Hanoi john makes me want to puke, and I only pray that my fellow Americans wake up before Election Day, and realize that President Bush is the only viable choice, as he does consider the WOT to be job 1.

Lovely..charming..LOVELY charming...Just LOVELY. G-d almighty...sometimes I have NOT what to say. SELECTING...FOR these people..HONORING these people. I dont know.....................

#176 NY Nana

Tell you the truth, I can't blame you. But with Canadian TV...not much else that was on. That is really saying something. The old way was better, atleast what I can read and understand of it.

I'll probably listen to it when I go back out on the road tonight...oh in about 20-30 mins or so. Sometimes the only thing I can get are the boomers or 760AM Detroit. I don't listen to FM at all anymore...too much anti-Americanism even on 'music' stations. Bah.

For Hanoi John, true enough. I hope they wake up as well, I know none of my American friends are voting for him...atleast not anymore.

Take care ya! I'll see 'round tomorrow.