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Mon, Aug 2, 2004 at 8:39:42 am PDT

It’s like a Marx Brothers movie, except with grenades and guns and dead people: Gunmen Kill Suspected Collaborator in Gaza Hospital. (Hat tip: SoCalJustice.)

GAZA (Reuters) - A Gaza jail guard hurled grenades at prisoners accused of collaborating with Israel, and militants later killed one of the wounded men in his hospital bed on Monday in the latest sign of internal Palestinian turmoil.

The guard, a Palestinian policeman, carried out the attack in a cell holding inmates suspected of helping Israeli security services track and kill militants, security sources said. Seven prisoners were wounded, two of them seriously.

Hours later, gunmen burst into Gaza City’s Shifa hospital and killed one of the inmates, Mahmoud Sharif, shooting him several times in the head and chest, medical and security sources said.

Such lovely people. Let’s give them a state!

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1 Michoel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:43:06am
2 kstagger  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:43:08am

good old Palestinian 'due process'... [/sarc]

3 dennisw-matamoros  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:43:09am

Looks like an extra-judicial killing to me.

4 Ellen  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:44:01am

I'm prepared for the howls of outrage from Amnesty International and the Red Cross.

5 JusTalkin  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:45:07am

We should give them a state! I vote that we should give them Atlantis!

-JusTalkin

6 SoCalJustice  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:46:34am

This just crossed the wires: They killed another one!

Palestinian Collaborators Killed in Beds

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Palestinian gunmen entered a Gaza City hospital Monday and shot to death a man convicted of collaborating with Israeli intelligence, the second such slaying in a hospital in a day, witnesses said.

The slain Palestinian was identified as Walid Hamdiyeh, 42, who confessed during a 2002 trial to providing Israel with information that helped its forces kill Imad Akel, a founder of the Hamas military wing, in 1993.

[snip]

Eaelier (sic) Monday, five masked men broke into a hospital and shot dead a convicted Palestinian collaborator [Mahmoud al Sharef] who had been wounded in a grenade attack in his prison cell just hours earlier.

And the day's not over yet, either.

Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

7 Sol Roth  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:48:24am

Prima facia example of Islamic logic, Islamic culture and the threat it poses to the civilized world.

8 Spiny Norman  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:48:28am
ISM breaks through the fence

Crap! They weren't shot, damnit.

"Nothing will dissuade us from breaking this fence," Yonatan Pollack, of Anarchists Against the Fence, said.

You've got to be fcuking kidding me.

9 Tupsox  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:51:48am

Boo, i definitely posted this first.

Not that I'm, uh, bitter or jealous... :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Still dreaming for that first hat tip.

10 RIP Ford  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:52:51am

Anarchists Against the Fence

Laughable if it weren't so sad.

11 Tupsox  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:55:01am

Shooting people in hospitals reminds me of the pediatrician of death (may he rest in pieces) whose perscription for kids was to strap on explosives and kill jews...

12 TalkinKamel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:56:43am

#1 Michael

I hope Israel boots the ISM and the Anarchists out, before they start helping their Palestinian brothers murder more "collaborators."

13 FabioC.  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:57:04am

OT - Reports are that US forces are sorrounding Al-Sadr's home in Najaf!

14 NuclearTinkerbell  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 6:58:56am

Hey! South Africa is a new breeding ground for terrorists! Where aren't they breeding?

"Even in our sermons we used to say `Oh, God, Destroy America'" said Sedick. "Now we say `Destroy Bush.' We say it from the pulpit. We make the worst of prayers onto them."
15 foreign devil  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:01:11am

These people kill because they like to kill. It's that simple. If they didn't have Jews to blame their lust for killing on, they'd have to invent them and when they finally can't get their hands on Jews because of "the Wall" then they'll kill each other because they are like nasty, spoiled, bratty, SPITEFUL children! And they must vent their spite on someone, whoever is handy once there are no Jews and anybody will do as long as they're "different" -- not from my street, my clan, my house, my family, me. That's the pecking order. Everyone but me can be an object of blame--as long as it's never ME!

16 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:02:46am

Re: "collaborators". While no doubt there may be a few Palestinians cooperating with various Israeli security services, I'd guess even the "confessed collaborators" (not that Muslims would ever torture people) just wound up on the wrong side of a power struggle.

17 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:04:56am
18 Model4  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:04:58am

Hmm, no ISM members caught in the crossfire trying to protect these innocent Jordyptians from the war-crimes genocides? Isn't this how prisoners at Gitmo are treated, what with the hell and the medical experiments?

At least getting shot in your hospital bed or having grenades thrown into your jail cell isn't as bad as someone putting up a fence, or having to go through a checkpoint.

Welcome to the PLO, where there's a death penalty for not being sufficiently anti-Jew.

19 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:08:39am

OT

RADAR, SATELLITE IMAGERY SUGGEST TROPICAL STORM ALEX DEVELOPING AN EYE, MEANING IT WILL SOON BE A HURRICANE


Can you see the eye in this visible satellite still?

How about this Long Range WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar loop from Charleston, SC?


Still, only forecast to deliver a glancing blow to the Carolinas.

20 selpaw  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:08:53am
It’s like a Marx Brothers movie

Without bomb belts and guns.

One reason the palestinians pretty much get away with everything they do is there is no accountability. This can not be denied. All those that want them to have a state do so without the least bit of accountability.

Bomb detector finds explosives residue in Palestinian ambulance at Hawara roadblock near Nablus
21 Radian  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:12:12am

8

A well placed baton round, rubber bullet, or live round to the thigh would do that job well.

As would a german shepherd.

22 Norwegian kafir  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:12:53am
23 pragmatist  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:14:44am

OT again (sorry)

More good news. Rasmussen reports Presidential
Tracking shows a 3 point shift to President Bush
in just ONE day!

No bounce for the democrats at all.

On November 2 our President will be re-elected
with a stunning majority.

President Bush Gaining Ground

24 Necklace of shoes  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:15:22am

Were the gunmen taken to the hospital in a UN ambulance?

25 Killraven  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:16:36am

Between 15,000 to 30,000 people have been outright murdered in the last 6 months in the Darfur region.

Of course the ISM won't dare go in there and defy their islamic masters.

26 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:18:52am

#8, #10: Spiny Norman and RIP Ford:

In a related topic, Israeli athletes are getting an additional fence at the Olympic games at the request of the Israeli government.

[Link: wcbs880.com...]

The US originally requested an additional fence for its athletes but then withdrew the request.

27 NuclearTinkerbell  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:18:52am

Ed Moran
Myrtle Beach is going to be a mess.

28 Michoel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:19:37am

#12 TalkinKamel,
Yeah, the ISM are very, very terrible. I just can't stand those people. Worse than the Palestinians, in my opinion.

30 dhimmi smits  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:21:55am

CNN's ticker called this unfortunate chap a convicted collaborator. does anybody at CNN actually read their own ticker? or, maybe they read it and put it up anyways...

OT - but did anyone see Sen. Byrd on CNN yesterday? what a senile doddering old fool, plugging his book and waving a copy of the Constitution. Blitzer, to his credit, kept pressing the issue, and Byrd, to his shame, stammered on and on and on, never addressing the questions. what an embarrassment to anyone who supports that old KKK alum

31 meshbender  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:22:33am

Speaking of the fence, the IDF did stop a planned attack last night. Go IDF!! Now, I'm wondering how the ISM was able to penetrate part of the wall then.

Anyways, it ticks me off to no end that it is so easy for groups like the ISM that want to see the destruction of Isreal can get into Israel so easy. And it's not so easy for people who would actually like to help Israel...unless there's some volunteer programs I'm missing...?

32 Joel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:23:16am

Senior Hamas fugitives apprehended in Tulkarm
Off to the interrogation center you go!

33 NuclearTinkerbell  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:24:20am

#22 Norwegian kafir
Silly frog didn't read this.

34 grayp  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:24:24am

Via Fox news

French press reporting U.S. troops surround Sadr's house - lotsa smoke

FWIW

35 TMF  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:24:25am

Hopefully this story will result in Al Sadr's CORPSE.

Fingers crossed!!!

36 Dan Patterson  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:25:21am

Foreign Devil has it about right: These people like to kill. No spiritual guidance, nor any secular ethic provides authority to kill people you just don't like. Evil (that's the DEVIL for you whom are not ACLU members)allows for and maybe demands such contortions, and that is NOT the same as any reasonable religous practice.

If the terrorist types like to kill so much maybe we should introduce them to some of our southern throwbacks. Hell, we have people around here that should be tied to a tree in the back yard. Deer season doesn't start for a few months and they can't WAIT for a reason to go kick somebody's butt.

"Allriite now. You boys get 'tem damn towels off your heads and line up agin 'at wall ov'air. Don't gimme no lip now, I mean bidness..."

That might be fun.

Dan Patterson

37 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:27:36am

#25 kill raven:

According to this, 30,000 have been killed so far. But have no fear, the UN is beginning to air drop supplies to survivors. 22 tons so far, and 1,400 tons total expected to be air dropped.

No mention on how those supplies will actually reach those who have the need and not those pesky militias on their horses that can swoop in and grab the food and supplies before the survivors can get 'em. Not like the UN has boots on the ground to make sure that the materials dropped get to their intended destinations. But the UN can say that they tried.

38 No Leaf Clover  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:28:10am

I love the whole convicted part, as if Arafat himself awarded the poor shmuk a trial, and said, my dear poor boy, you have indeed helped the Israeli's, now you are convicted. This is a mockery, a sham, a travesty! A travashamockery! It's all good though, civil war is right around the corner.

39 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:28:17am

YIKES !!!

I was away and I come back and see this thread only now. YIKES !!!

Paleostinians and all the other islamofascists teach us that there is no bottom of hell, they can always get worse.

YIKES !!!

40 selpaw  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:29:35am

31 meshbender
They penetrated the wall simply because the IDF is stretched to the limit stopping suicide attacks.

ISM gets in primarlily because Israel is a democracy. It is much more difficult however to get into Israel than right here in the USA. Back to ISM, some come in with the Birthright program. Unless there is a possible red flag on a person or group, they will get in.

41 mpax  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:29:53am

The news about A Sadr's hometown on Fox griped me. Why must they call Najaf the "Holy City of Najaf"? Is that the official title? It's not holy to me. If they just say Najaf we'll all know what they mean.

42 meshbender  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:30:12am

#35 TMF

I don't know if we'd be so lucky. Naturally, it would probably be better if we could get him alive, but I sorta doubt that will happen.

#32 Joel

I was about ready to post about that, then I saw you beat me to it. LOL

Looks like the IDF was pretty busy last night.

43 Axiom  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:30:17am

Islam's worst enemy is the New Testament.

If Jesus is a prophet then why do his words mean nothing to Muslims?

44 Joel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:34:17am

42 meshbender

the job that the IDF, Border Police, GSS, undercover squads Samson and Cherry, informers, etc. do is fantastic. They have saved thousands of lives and they operate with no margin of error at all!

45 Joel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:35:49am

#37 lawhawk

God how I hate that term "boots on the ground." as VDH has said, having boots on the ground means nothing unless the soldiers are sent in to engage and kill the enemy. just showing the flag and patrolling around to be blown up is not very prodcutive.

46 Bob24  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:35:51am

OT: AFP's reporting that US troops have Sadr's house surrounded:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I was wondering when this would happen.

47 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:35:54am

Drudge links NYT story about source of latest terror alert in NYC and DCA

48 Joel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:40:15am

OT - I saw on Saturday night on PBS the 1962 Manchurian Candidate. Stay away from the remake which is lefty proaganda pure and simple. In the past few months the following films all of which could have been sponsored by the DNC ahve come ut

1. The Day After Tomorrow
2. Fahrenheit 9/11
3. The Manchurain Candidate

even a silly film such as The Anchorman had a cheap shot at Bush.

49 meshbender  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:40:17am

#40 Selpaw

Considering how thinnly stretched the IDF is, they still do an amazing job. I have a lot of respect for them, and the crap they deal with.

I remember reading about their abuse of the Birthright program a few days, which is sad.

#44 Joel

I totally agree!

50 Michoel  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:41:17am

#40 Selpaw "some come in with the Birthright program"
I've heard about this also, but I just can't allow myself to believe that large percentage of ISM is Jewish.

#43 axiom The "old testament" or what Jews call the Torah is also not a big help for them. The Koran badly messes up when recording historical occurrences that are recorded in the Torah. It has been claimed that the sinister Jews changed the Torah to contradict Islam! Problem is that the Torah was already translated into Greek in the posession of other nations 600 years before the Koran. Tough break.

51 Daybrother  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:42:27am

#36 Dan Patterson  

...Evil (that's the DEVIL for you whom are not ACLU members)...

LOL You beat me to it!

52 selpaw  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:45:47am

50 Michoel
A large percentage are 'not' Jewish.

49 meshbender
They always have done a remarkable job. They are my heroes.

53 Throbert McGee  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:52:34am
Islam's worst enemy is the New Testament.

If Jesus is a prophet then why do his words mean nothing to Muslims?

Hey, if the NT can't even get the basic facts of the Crucifixion straight -- every educated Muslim knows that it was a lookalike who actually died on the cross, not the prophet Isa (Jesus) himself -- then why should Muslims trust it as a reliable record of Isa's words?

54 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:55:06am
...militants later killed one of the wounded men in his hospital bed ...

It must take very special, extremely brave warriors to shoot a wounded man in a hospital bed. Think of the danger the militants were facing. Dirty bedpans, dripping IVs, cranky nurses...

I, for one, admire their courage.

55 Dave Ray  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:57:51am

OT

Celebrities thank the government? Who'd have thunk it?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

56 TMF  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 7:58:35am

OT:

Im having a just purchased Oceanspray white cranberry peach "juice drink".

Not recommended.

57 Paranoid Brit  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:02:29am

#55
Yeah, who would have thunk it. The BBC saying words like 'Crusade'.

Taken out of context, you'd almost think they'd lost their bias.

58 TMF  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:02:41am

OT

Actually, I'm going to do a Kerry style flip flop on that. Its not THAT bad, but I dont think I'd buy it again.

59 papijoe  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:03:04am

54 zorkmidden

Welcome back, zorkelah!

Bring back anything good?

60 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:08:57am

hi papijoe! :-)

Sorry, no baklava. Ate it on the plane trip back.

:-(

I owe you one.

61 papijoe  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:13:28am

[gggrrr]

I pity WriterMom, she don't bring me no halvah


[gggrrr]

62 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:18:42am

LOL! I bring some homemade cheese - peppery, tangy, and very-very stinky. I'll share.

But we may get kicked out of LGF due to the smell.

:-)

63 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:22:21am

Meant to say "I did bring" or "I brought".

The preview button forgot me while I was gone and we're just now getting re-acquainted.

64 bigel[deleted]  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:23:52am
65 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 8:29:02am

bigel, thank you :-)


I feel normal here.

And thanks for everything, btw.

{{{bigel}}}

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

66 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:15:52am

[Link: www.nypost.com...] -

Israeli military intelligence has concluded a report on the killing of three American security guards in the Gaza Strip last October — and how Yasser Arafat botched the investigation.

The Americans were escorting U.S. Embassy personnel into Gaza to interview Fulbright Scholarship candidates when a roadside bomb blew up their vehicle.

The Israeli report, dated Monday, said the bombing appeared to be carried out by a group called the Popular Resistance Committees, which is made up "of people who left [Arafat's] Fatah [faction] and former members of the Palestinian security apparatuses."

67 Jakester  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:22:44am
Such lovely people. Let’s give them a state!


Such lovely people. Let’s give them a grave!

68 Jakester  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:26:31am
#17 bigel 8/2/2004 09:04AM PST You know, if the Palis keep this up, Israel may be able to take the barrier down in a few years -- because the Palis will have obliterated each other.

Ah Bigel, that would be such a sweet dream!

69 selpaw  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:39:59am

66 lawhawk

botched the investigation

Botched? Botch insinuates a mistake (s) was made. How about did nothing. He did nothing, plain and simple. To go one step further, he laughed in the face of the US government. Once again, we are dealing with zombie terrorists people who are never held accountable...only promised a state by the infamous architects of the road trap to non-peace. Promised a state plus vast amounts of money and world sympathy. Terror pays.

Just like all evidence brought forth by Israel this too might as well be thrown in the trash for it never gets anywhere.

The Israeli report, dated Monday, said the bombing appeared to be carried out by a group called the Popular Resistance Committees, which is made up "of people who left [Arafat's] Fatah [faction] and former members of the Palestinian security apparatuses."


Nothing will come of it.

70 Beagle  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:45:37am

#5 JusTalkin

We should give them a state! I vote that we should give them Atlantis!


As an informal representative of Atlantis, in my mind, NO!
---
Killing in hospitals: war crime.

Killing in prison: war crime.

Media claiming murderers are militants without holding them to any standards: Jew-hatred.

Militant, Dictionary.com:

Fighting or warring.
Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

n.
A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.


They fight like serial killers. Or, they fight without regard for any of the rules of war the media obsesses over with regards to Israel and the U.S. I await outrage. No, I'm not that stupid.
---
#43 Axiom

Islam's worst enemy is the New Testament.

If Jesus is a prophet then why do his words mean nothing to Muslims?

Islam's second and third worst enemies would be the Gnostic Gospels and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. Ain't no Allah in there either.

71 Stefania  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:48:26am

Do the Media know how to say the word Terrorists?

The Media calling the Thugs "militants" are accomplices...

72 Throbert McGee  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:56:06am
LOL! I bring some homemade cheese -

Meant to say "I did bring" or "I brought".

"Song she sang to me
Words that rang in me
Rhyme that sprang from me
Stinky homemade cheese she brang to me..."

/NeilDiamond

73 selpaw  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 9:56:39am

71 Stefania
The media 'selectively' uses the word, terrorist.

First thing that must be done is insist our elected officials quit using the term, RoP. Have to admit this has caused great damage in public perception. That lie has worked like cement. However, even the strongest cement can be cracked.

74 wordwolf  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:05:46am

I would like to compliment TMF and nominate him/her/whatever for, in comments #56 and #58, the most off-topic of all off-topic posts ever!

Seriously, thanks for the warn-off. When in doubt, always stick to unblended flavors ...

75 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:11:45am

#72 Throbert McGee

ROFL!!!

Do you think this may be a reason that I can't find a date?
;-)

76 Shifra  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:11:49am

mpax said

Why must they call Najaf the "Holy City of Najaf"? Is that the official title? It's not holy to me. If they just say Najaf we'll all know what they mean.

You are so right, can we do this too? As in several LGF posters live in the Holy City of Jerusalem and post often.

Shifra in a secular city in Maryland

77 zulubaby  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:23:35am

I just noticed something.

Palestinian Collaborators Killed in Beds

Two men have been killed.

78 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:25:10am

Shifra,

If we can have Holy Cities, can we please also have Holy States?


zorkmidden from the Holy State of California


(I feel like a saint already.)

79 zorkmidden  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:26:38am

zulubaby,

That makes the militants doubly brave.

80 yellowroseoftexas  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 10:48:51am

If the Palestinian arabs in the West Bank and Gaza someday regain their humanity and decency.These men who were murdered in their hospital beds for doing the right thing will be looked upon as heroes.But to me they already are.

81 mrsoc  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 12:22:59pm

My sister is a loony left wing asshat.
I had to say that, and I feel better now.
Thank you.

82 Victory Now Please  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 12:31:42pm
Such lovely people. Let’s give them a state!

Why not? these Pali-'slims already have at least two news agencies. Al Reuters and AP. If you add AFP to the mix, that's three. Hell. That's might be more than we have here in the states!

83 Spiritualized  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 1:08:59pm

Anarchists Against the Fence

Ahahahahahahaha

Wait, they're serious aren't they!?

Ahahahaahhahaha

84 Col. Milquetoast  Mon, Aug 2, 2004 2:05:43pm

A Gaza jail guard hurled grenades at prisoners accused of collaborating with Israel


How common is it for a jail guard or even a policeman to use grenades? I don't recall any cops in my neighborhood with a bandolier of grenades. Seems a little bit overkill...

or did he sneak them in? The PA cops seem eschew revolvers for machine guns so I do wonder if they carry grenades too.


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