All Muslims who can be should be deported; all Muslim immigration should be completely stopped; all other Muslims, excluding Amahdiyyas, Ismailis, Druze (who aren't really Muslims - I know) and any other dissident Muslim sect who doesn't believe in Jihad and/or Dhimmitude, should be sent to internment camps to await deportation to a willing Muslim country.

As anyone who has bothered to study this issue even superficially realizes after awhile, the Sunni and Shia Muslims who come to the West are here to take over. They are not coming here to become part of our societies and contribute to their development. They have understood our achilles heel: 1) our legal protection of religious freedom and freedom of conscience gives them free reign to try and convert all of our citizens to their cult; 2) our democratic systems of government mean that if enough Muslims move to our countries they can influence and change our politics. I know I am preaching to the choir stating this on LGF but sh*t this can't be said enough times.

I spent almost 45 minutes tonight teaching someone who knew nothing about Islam the basics. For goodness sake, he didn't even know that Muhammad was a general, fought himself in a number of battles, reputedly killed a man, tacitly condoned assassinations, tacitly agreed to mass murder, etc.. And, of course, he was Catholic and I had to break through all the assumptions that some Christians make about other faiths (he was of the opinion that all faiths are equally valid; that all faiths are tolerant teach people to love one another). What a struggle folks. I think I convinced him to read the Qu'ran and visit Jihadwatch.org before the evening was out. I did my duty guys. What the f*ck did you people do. I know, I know, if you're too drunk to post, don't post.

We must resist the Halal toasters. Put BLT's in the toaster. Resist.

Are Infidels allowed to use these Sharia-complient services? (shudder)

Look, the US and UK are great countries. You could do much worse than to be born in or move to either. So since we can say they're to some degree equitable, can we divert our Muslim immigrants to the UK? The Brits want them and want them bad, so everyone wins.

Even better, we both send them to Canada.

Doesn't this just make it easier for the laundering of funds?

Stop it now, before we can't stop it at all.

Mentat: It's already happening in Canada:

[Link: www.canada.com...]

When in Rome, change the banking laws and then, if you can, kill the emperor.

My tabloid headline for this story:

Big Bendover!

....and in the States

[Link: www.islamic-banking.com...]

#3 Model4:

If you are a US citizen, please for goodness sake invade Canada before it is too late. At current rates of immigration, we will be a Muslim country very soon. 1990 cenus, 100,000 Mobots; 2000 cenus, 583,000 mobots; 2010 census; 2.5 million mobots? Holy Sh*t! Please invade us now. It would be in your best interests.

The link may require membership in National Post. NOnetheless, the gist of the article is that Muslims are getting the political punch in Canada to sway elections and force dhimmitude upon the politicians.

3 Model4

The Brits want them and want them bad, so everyone wins.

Where did you get that idea?

This is a serious problem and I don't really think Mentat is fully off the ropes with his thesis.

Incidentally, who is the LLL going to blame when the truth in Sudan comes out and it makes Rwanda look like a tea party.

#3 Model 4

Even better, we both send them to Canada

Fuck, no!!

a nice organisation in California...

[Link: www.americanfinance.com...]

#1 Mentat 8/8/2004 06:35PM PST

been there done that. its almost a weekly thing. we should give the act a name. i lean towards a chicken little type name. after all 911 proved me wrong [during the 90's i always pointed out after an attack on israeli busses etc.... wait till stuff like that happens here] anyway maybe a chicken little award for those that screamed the sky is falling and people ignored them only to discover they were right. and mentat yer right about posting while drinking blah just hit post this comment

Its headquarters will be in Birmingham, England’s second city.

Now it will also be the 18th holiest city in Islam.

We have sharia compliant banking in Atlanta, as I've posted before. And Wyche Fowler is on the board. Looks as though the Brits are behind the times on islamic banking. How'd that happen?

The LLL have the same problem that all LLLs have - they believe that they can force people to be good. They believe that they can create a "new" man. They are just like the Islamist in that regard. They have so much in common. Everyone will be good. Everyone will be nice to each other - because we will force you to be that way!

......and over at Havard they're discussing.....

[Link: www.hifip.harvard.edu...]

.....Islamic finance with some 40 speakers, how nice....

it also includes a nice link to US Treasury press release about supporting Islamic finance

I agree, Mentat's ideas are accurate. However, the "melting pot" idea generated a sense of tolerance that served us well until it somehow got displaced by multiculturalism. Instead of a welcoming hand to the mohammedans with the expectation that they will obey our laws and respect our institutions, as we would thiers, if we ever wanted to go to one of those shithole countries, they are now told how great their culture and traditions are, etc. etc.

and mentat yer right about posting while drinking blah just hit post this comment

/damm did i say that out loud

16:

haha I'm not anti-American, you should know that....not even anti-Bigel.......don't try and Bigelize me....

going to bed now....have to be up at 8am.....

#9 Mentat:

If you are a US citizen, please for goodness sake invade Canada before it is too late.

Sorry, doesn't work like that anymore. We "evil" American "bastards" have a new plan. We're hoping that everything will come to a head in Canada at about the halfway point of Islam's transforming it into a desert nation. The theory is that it might even be kind of like our Midwest or Northern Plains states. Then your freakish left-wingers and Islamic extremist right-wingers will hopefully have killed each other off. The good, decent, hard-working, freedom-loving, humorous Canadians left over from previous generations? We want them to immigrate here now.

#11 BPP: By consuming the news. When you call an illegal economic/jihad migrant an "asylum seeker," it's pretty damn clear. And that's when there were plenty of other countries they could have taken refuge in along the way, or if it's from a country the Brits have friendly relationships with. That's just one facet out of very many reported.

Dave Ray

Harvard to return gift from emirates leader

Harvard Divinity School has agreed to return a $2.5 million gift from the president of the United Arab Emirates after 18 months of controversy over the donor's alleged connection to anti-Semitic and anti-American propaganda, Harvard officials said Tuesday.

#22 DeKalb

The melting pot was fine when the people who came here held the same basic assumptions about society that we did. In the past, for instance, with the Mormons, the US had to stomp on them because they wanted their own state and did not share the same assumptions of the majority of people in the US. Then, after the US stomped on the Mormons, they changed their tune. I do not think that is possible with the Muhammadans.

#27 Mentat: Use your cognitive powers! Islam will succumb to the osmostic pressure of Western Culture eventually-- already there are female reporters on Al Jazeerah, movie theaters, radio stations that broadcast something besides qu'ranic recitation-- Try your prahna bindu trance!

BTW, should I visualize you at Pieter De Vries or Duncan Idaho? :)

What the hell is wrong with allowing Muslims to set up a bank that operates in a way consistent with their religious beliefs. As far as I'm concerned, their way of getting around interest payments is rather contrived and stupid, and opens up a huge way for the bank to take advantage of its less informed customers, but if they want to do it that way, I just don't care. The sharia we should be worried about is when it is inforced on all people, not just a voluntary option for Muslims. Heck, I wouldn't mind setting up a sharia compliant bank myself because I suspect it could be extremely profitable.

As far as I can tell, it looks like LGF is devolving into a community of groupthink and knee-jerk Muslim bashing, and that disappoints me. Over the years that this site has been up, there have been thousands of legitimate reasons to criticize Islamic societies and western rulers who are unwilling to confront the clear danger posed by Islamicism, and I am extremely complementary of the work that Charles has done to publicize these issues.

But when you insult Muslims when they really aren't doing anything wrong you guys are weakening you own case and opening yourselfs up to allegations of being anti-Muslim rather than just anti-Islamisist. As someone who wants to convince the public that we need to strongly strengthen our response to the Islamicist threat, I think its just as important to police our own side and criticize extremist thought coming from our camp.

I've been saying it for years to anyone you will listen. Cut-off all immigration from Moslem countries. Then deport all hostile aliens: hint, most point their arses West five times a day.

P.S. Mentat, that's MOSLEM. Moslem is the proper, Anglicized, spelling. Or better yet, Mohammandans or Mahometans. "Muhammad should be left to the pedants," _Fowler's Modern English_

I think this "Muslim" thing has a whiff of P.C. about it. Anyone know its origins? Amritas, help!

Davide:

The Islamist threat is already being played out in Canada and the U.S. by such groups as CAIR and MPAC which have effectively weakened requirements for airport security review, [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

set out a political agenda and formed voting blocs in Canada (Coleen Beaumier and Carolyn Parrish can pin their election wins on Muslim voters) and have been buying influence in the U.S. installing their mouthpieces such as Rashid Khalidi at Columbia. It's all chilling and its being played out before our eyes.

Sharia bank, I don't give a hoot as long as the authorities are able to monitor where the money is coming and going.

Davide:

Until 9/11 I knew next to nothing about Islam. On the day of 9/11, I happened to be home and watched, live on TV, people jumping out of Windows to their deaths.

After that, I determined I had to learn about Islam. I read the Qu'ran, studied the Sharia, studied the ahadith and studied the history of Islam. The more I learned about it, the more alarmed I became. The more I learned about it, the more I loathed it. The more I learned about it, the more convinced I became that it was a blot on humanity, that it was as a damaging for Muslims as it was for the rest of us.

Ecrasez l'infame!

This decision is irresponsible.
And irreversible.

@1 Mentat

Like many other posters here, I educate those willing to listen EVERY day. When I'm at church I give an update on what's what, as many of the members do not use the internet.
So before you, drunk or otherwise ask what we're doing, be sure of where you stand before shooting yourself maybe in the foot.

#29 davide: You don't see the problem with having different banking systems for different races/ ethnicities/ religions?

As far as I can tell, it looks like LGF is devolving into a community of groupthink and knee-jerk Muslim bashing, and that disappoints me.

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 1

Maybe you ought to take more of a stand against that which you don't like. Just a thought. Don't get me wrong, you look cute parachuting in with your flack vest and kevlar helmet, tucking, rolling and flinging out the "you guys" condemnations before your silk hits the ground.

Davide: The problem is that the bank is in England. All these Mohammadans can think to do is recreate the hell-holes that spawned them.

The reaction time of banking regulators is so slow...and not at all oriented towards national security issues....

Each and every Islamic controled bank is a natural front for money transfers to jihadis. With enough institutions in the network, the routing can quickly become so complicated that the trail is lost....

Nothing whatsoever should be done to expand islamist culture in the land of the free....

@3 Model4

*LMAO!

You know Colt might disagree with your plan. :)

So I suppose sharia courts to enforce the sharia banking agreements will be just fine with our latest "oh so concerned" driveby (Registered lizardoid since: 08/08/04 06:51:57 PM)?

Don't get me wrong, you look cute parachuting in with your flack vest and kevlar helmet, tucking, rolling and flinging out the "you guys" condemnations before your silk hits the ground.

How can anyone not love LGF? Where else do you get to read such fabulous things?

#9 Mentat

If you are a US citizen, please for goodness sake invade Canada before it is too late.

Why would the US do something stupid like that? The weather sucks & the US would have 2.4 million more Islamomaniacs to deal with. Besides there are already too many Canadians in Florida which is reserved for Cubans. When will they start singing "Oh Canada" in Arabic?

Muslims:

Allah is all-powerful. Allah is alive. He is moving. Allah is in the world. He reaches in, out and around us. He has told us he is closer to us than our jugular vein.

Allah has come to me. He came to me on 9/11. He caused me to turn on the television. He made me see his children jumping to their deaths, writhing in agony. He made me see his childrens’ pain. Allah forced me ask myself what has caused his children to kill his other children. Allah forced me to read the Qur’an. Not once. Not twice. But many times. And now, I read the Qur’an every day. Allah caused me to study the Sunnah. Allah brought the Sharia to me. Allah forced me to look upon these works. I protested. Allah, I said, why must I read these terrible, dark, hateful revelations? But Allah prevailed. I studied Islam. I sucked up this knowledge like a dry sponge.

And then Allah came to me again. He showed me my path. Allah put me on the straight path. Allah made me see that he has brought a flawed revelation to the Muslims. Allah showed me that day that my destiny is to help him destroy his flawed revelation. Allah is moving through me. He is guiding my hand. Allah is writing these words. Every day when I wake up I am filled with his spirit as he guides me to write journalists, politicians, academics and ordinary people to bring to them the truth of his flawed revelation. Allah has called me to help him destroy Islam.

Allah has called Robert Spencer. He has called Hugh Fitzgerald. He has called Ali Sina. He has called Ibn Warraq. He has called Taslima Nasrin. He has called Charles Johnson. He pulled them out of darkness and into his light. He has called them to his struggle to destroy his flawed revelation. Allah is moving through me and through them.

And he is moving in all Muslims. Every time he calls you to fight us, to destroy us, he is working in you to cause your destruction. For if you will not abandon Islam, he is forcing you to destroy yourselves and Islam with you. That is why he is calling you to death. That is why he is calling you out of the light and into the darkness. That is why he is calling you back. Allah is telling you to abandon Islam or face certain death at the hands of his helpers.

You think that if you bring death to us that Allah will smile on you. That he will give you power over us. That he will make us your slaves. You are wrong. When you bring us death, Allah will not smile. He will bring you destruction. He will burn and vaporize you. He will take you back to him – all of you. Allah knows he has made a mistake. Allah knows he has brought a flawed revelation. Allah is working to destroy that flawed revelation. You can see him moving everywhere. Allah has brought us a mighty victory in 1948 in Israel. Allah helped us to triumph again in Kuwait. Allah brought us victory in Afghanistan and Iraq. And Allah will bring us further victories until Muslims abandon Islam or they return to Allah.

Allah is alive. Allah is moving. Allah is working in the world. Look upon his handiwork, Muslims. LOOK. Look upon his actions in this world.

Let's all hope and pray that MI-5 has this bank wired inside out, up one side and down the other, so that not a farthing changes hands that they don't know about it.

Davide: What is wrong is when that so-called religion advocates the killing of those who do not accept its tenets or beliefs. The constitution, as has been previously reported, is not a suicide pact. Until the muslim community can start convincing the rest of society that there is a definitive distinction between them and the "Islamists", the rest of us will likely go with out instinct for self-preservation. One further note: contrary to popular belief, another terror attack on the US is NOT likely to bring about a change in government this fall. This is not Spain or the Phillipines. Rather, expect anger... pure, unbridled, cold-blooded anger. Such anger is rarely given to fits of nuance, and I would expect a substantial increase in our tolerance for collateral damage as a result.

"I'm deeply troubled and disappointed..." -Tom Daschle

How We Will Lose the Islamo-Fascist War

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

I don't have a problem with Moslems' legally operating a bank in a Western nation based upon Islamic principles. It's their freedom to do so, and it's likely that most people who use them will do so solely out of religious devoutness -- no jihad involved. It may be odd and certainly un-American to us, but, as much as I despise multiculturalism, I can't bring myself to condemn this.

However, I also realize that this system makes it incredibly easy for the bankers to gain large amounts of money, and I am concerned about where that money is going.

You're an Islamic bank? No problem.

Oh, but you have ties to a company in the M-E? Be sure to take some pictures of the fabulous tropical paradise of Gitmo!

[LLL]Of course, we can't investigate the Islamic banks; it would be violating their civil rights to... er... well, I'm sure that it would be violating their Constitutional civil rights to something (which is most likely not mentioned in the Constitution). [/LLL]

davide

Your claim that what difference does it make is very short sighted. What difference does it make that the moslems hate the Jews? What difference does it make that they hate the Christians and all other faiths? What difference does it make if they set up their own court system? Why not their own police forces? Hey, shouldn't they have their own armies? Shouldn't we teach Farsi as a second language in our schools?

Anything which keeps them from assimilation into our culture makes them a threat to our way of life. The French are just beginning to understand this but it maybe too late for them. The British aren't far behind. It is not too late for us, but changing our banking or any other system to accomodate them is a big deal and a very bad first step down a very slippery slope.

Wyche Fowler is a Wahabbi stooge and Saudi apologist. Too bad we can't deport him.

#34 quark2

All I can say is thank you! From the bottom of my heart.

I find it difficult to educate people in the part of Canada that I live. Here, you do not talk about two things: religion and money. Almost anything else is fair game.

The subject is very hard to bring up and even harder to discuss.

MOSLEMS: The day you meet Allah may be fast approaching, just keep testing our tolerance:

www.ohio.navy.mil/

Quark2: Colt's second round audition at Winds is tommorrow!! IMHO he's a shoo in!:)

@37 blert

Well, welcome back stranger. :)

And, you're spot on.

Davide.

Banking in and of itself is not the problem. But with the Moslems (ie, note the now proper spelling), is giving them especial priviledges that other ethnic groups have not recieved sends the message that it's okay now to push for more outrageous demands to be met. They are no more special than any other group that has immigrated, but they do demand it.
I'm like Mentat in that respect. I'm sick of them and their whinging, poor me pity parties and expecting special bypasses that others are not granted. It would be a great world if we were to wake up tomorrow and there were NO moslems in the world....just gone...for good.

Moslems: Don't count on Denzel Washington being on board.

@50 jinnderella

Thanx for the heads up. :)
I was going to email you our latest acquisition, a very nice 15.0 hand paint gelding. But my camera has decided to not work at this time. I guess it will be put in shop. :(

Since the bank will not charge interest, the only way for the bank to make money is to chage a transaction fee on the transfer of funds aka. the laundering of money. There will be so many transaction fees it will be impossible to monitor or trace.

#47 Eddie P

Wyche Fowler, is a former Georgia congressman whose successor in the House of Representatives was none other than Cynthia McKinney, who is now running to regain her former seat, as Denise Majette is running for the Senate rather than for reelection. On behalf of the less dhim-witted here in Georgia, our apologies on all counts.

[ It's their freedom to do so, and it's likely that most people who use them will do so solely out of religious devoutness -- no jihad involved.]

Financing the radicals is jihad and Islamic banks do it. These people came here to change us and that is what they are doing step by step. This is only one small step. I call bullshit on this stuff. If they live here they live by our laws, our rules. If their systems were so great why the hell move here in a land full of people they basically despise?

I have to quote the Great Standup Philosopher George Carlin:

"Fuck the fucking fuckers".

OT
I recieved this email from realwest, and he ask me to pass it on to the rest of the lizardoid minions. :)
[Original Message]
From:
To:
Date: 8/8/04 1:22:17 PM
Subject: Re: Me

Hi - yeah I'm sort of getting better but heal by "meshing"
so even the "growing together of the bones" HURTS!!! A LOT! Plus some of
the NINE original medications didn't like each other. I'm down to three
(plus Aleve which is more of an anti-inflammatory than a pain reliever).
And starting tomorrow, I'm going to have 24 hour//7day a week at home care
(if Charles wanted to start a realwest financial support thread, I wouldn't
object!!) I'm right handed, so naturally the 4 broken (two if
which were broken in TWO places - which I THINK equals six (6) broken
ribs), are all on the right side and typing HURTS. The e-mails, not to
mention the packages of goodies from LGF'ers has helped my morale
enormously.
I can't imagine why, other than my perceptive political observations and
UNBELIEVABLE sense of humor, so many people care about me, but it defiantly
makes me feel better
Thanks for e-mailing; if you want to do some sort of post (even just
copying and pasting this e-mail) I'd appreciate it

Mentat is right again.

The mohammedans are not a bunch of wacky Hare Krishnas or any other religious group. They are a murderous political movement. Treat them like the communists. That is, known communists were not allowed to immigrate. Those already here were denied certain jobs. And I am not talkig about McCarthyism whatever that really was. They weren't allowed in the military, in defense-related industries.

Mentat: You are very emotional for a Mentat. I thought Mentats were supposed to be supremely rational and calculating, a sort of carbon-based copy of the forbidden thinking machines of the Butlerian Jihad.:)
Confronting muslims with a diatribe won't help-- you need to be subtle and clever.
True, I understand your need to vent, we see plenty of that here. But unless you plan on offing 1.5 billion homo sapiens, I think you will have to readjust your discussions-- your diatribe will not convince any muslims to convert, IMHO.

#55, Bat 1,

Wyche Fowler represented the 5th district, centered on Atlanta in Fulton County. John Lewis succeeded Fowler. Cynthia McKinney represented, and will likely again represent, the 4th district, centered on DeKalb County. She succeeded Ben Jones, who played Cooter on "The Dukes of Hazard."

Quark2:

latest acquisition, a very nice 15.0 hand paint gelding.

Sounds gorgeous! What is his performance domain?

Oh, I am soooooo jealous! I have emailed realwest FOUR times, and not even the threat of djinn power has made him respond! :)

Personally I think Mentat was being facetious. :>p

realwest, if you're reading this:

{{{realwest}}}

And that was "real gentle," realwest, out of consideration for your ribs.

I don't think Mentat is talking about "offing" 1.5 Billion Moslems. He/we just don't want them moving out of the designated psycho wards, i.e. those nations already infected with this type of insanity.

#59 Jinnderella

I am a drunk Mentat. Also, being clever does not work with Muslims. Why do you think they are so ignorant? According to Sharia law, they are not even allowed to learn anything that might make them question their faith.

#60 Dekalb

Thanks for the factual correction. I can hardly remember when I didn't vote for John Linder. Needless to say, the apology still stands.

@61 jinnderella

He's going to a trainer in Diboll tomorrow evening. We'll find out what his strengths are in about 90 days. Watching him move freehand he's very floaty, and strangely enough for a quarter horse type, he trots with his tail hiked like an arabian and he can post like an arabian. Using his hind legs he synchronizes them...you know the peppy la peu sprong. As soon as I can get the pics downloaded I'll send you pics. My husband claims he's to be my next riding horse...this will occur if he can stand the rigour of dressage training. :)

I hope and pray that the young generation of muslims in the US get as decadent as our own young people. Public schools should have the desired effect. 12 years of mind numbing stupidity will wreck anyone's value system. ;)

#66, Bat 1,

I hope I wasn't abrasive.

John Linder is a good representative and I hope his fair tax plan catches on.

I moved out of DeKalb County some years ago and now live in Northwest Georgia, far, literally and figurately, from Cynthia McKinney Boulevard, which was Memorial Drive in DeKalb County.

quark2 is right. I never said anything about offing 1.5 billion people (as if a drunk old fool up in Canada could do such a thing anyway). However, my primary concern is to ensure the survival of Western civilization. That means ensuring that Muslims do not take over in Western countries. Agreed?

#68, PostalWorker

It's public schools' stupidity which is promoting this menace.

@67 me

OH I just hate when my html tags play
hiden'seek with me. :(

Mentat:
Where in Canada are you?

Mentat: Oh, a drunken mentat!! A new experience for me-- that explains it! I'm sorry for being so snippy! :)
Are you also into Dune? What translation of the qu'ran do you use? Or do you read arabic?

Quark2: I commented at Belmont Club!!
I was scared to death! And I had to make a blog to comment-- My blog is called 'The Hot Needle of Inquiry'-- but I haven't blogged anything yet. Just leaving a comment was scarifying enough! :)

How can anybody object to the introduction of Sharia-compliant banking? Perhaps it will serve to demonstrate to the British people that they have nothing to fear from the Muslims in their midst and lead to better relations between the Muslims and the unbelievers. What is so wrong about that?

As Sharia is implemented in the Muslim portions of Britain, the unbelievers will become more tolerant and cease to resist the implementation of Allah's (swt) divine law throughout the country.

Here is a short article from one of the most influential Islamic organizations in Great Britain. It shows how Britain will peacefully become an Islamic state and provides a short description of how that state will differ from the present British society. As you can plainly see, there is nothing to fear. Indeed, the new societal order will be welcomed by all people of good will.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

#71 DeKalb

Think peer pressure. Think sex, drugs and rock and roll. Well I realize it's not the 70's anymore.

Reza, go fuck yourself with a barb wire dildo.

If you want to ignore me becuase that was my first post on the site post-registration required, so be it. But I have been reading the site for over two years, and posted sporatically back in the day. I haven't posted recently (and obviously hadn't registered an account) because I tend to think that this site has gotten too big to carry on a good conversation. As you can see, about 50 posts have been made in an hour on just a random topic that's not particularly significant. That's a lot of writing, and I just feel it's too much work to try to keep involved in all of that stuff, so I haven't posted or read many of the comments sections recently.

I guess the main difference I'm seeing between my views and the views being expressed by the commenters and to a lesser extent Charles is that a lot of people here are expressing the view that Muslims are beyond hope, and that there's nothing we can do to integrate them into our societies, so we should get rid of them some how. Whereas I think that there is still hope for Muslims to reject fundamentalism and Islamicism, even while I aknowledge that Muslim communities are a massive, massive problem right now.

Whenever people are in extreme poverty and ruled by an incompetent, thieving elite, which discribes the current state of almost all Muslim countries, there is normally a trend toward religious fundamentalism, so to a certain extent it's understandable to see why poor Muslims are attracted to Islamicism. If your life is a living hell because your rulers suck, its easy to desire an afterlife filled with compliant virgins. Which is why I think what we are doing in Iraq is so important. I think we have a real chance to establish a successful, moderate state in Iraq, and that this will make a world of difference in the Muslim world. We are already seeing a certain amount of progress in Palistine, where the leaders of the Infitada are beginning to realize how stupid their war is and may begin to slow it down.

I guess if someone is convinced that Islam is beyond repair, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. But I don't see how it helps the cause of anti-Islamicism to take this opportunity to bash Muslims over something that's not particularly offensive.

#69 Dekalb

No offense taken at all. In a few years the kids will be out of school and I would like to move farther north and into the mountains too, though she "who thinks she must be obeyed" is deathly afraid of the cold.

Speaker Hastert has recently thrown some support to bringing Fair Tax up for discussion. There is always hope.

I had a townhouse in Avondale Estates many years ago, but that was before Dekalb county housing became a contest between Rennaissance and Section 8. Best Regards to you and yours. I have in-laws in Dalton.

#76, PostalWorker

It won't work, mohammedans are the biggest hypocrites. The males will enjoy the sex, especially raping non-mohammedan womena and consorting, as Saudi princes do, with young boys. They's even drink, too. Just remember what the mohammedans of Sept. 11 were doing in the time leading up to their "martyrdom."

As Sharia is implemented in the Muslim portions of Britain, the unbelievers will become more tolerant and cease to resist the implementation of Allah's (swt) divine law throughout the country.

Ah, c'mon, Reza has to be a fake troll. No-one could write that with a straight face.

[I guess the main difference I'm seeing between my views and the views being expressed by the commenters and to a lesser extent Charles is that a lot of people here are expressing the view that Muslims are beyond hope, and that there's nothing we can do to integrate them into our societies,]

I think you are right about some of us. I for one don't think Islam is compatible with a free society, as it by nature tends toward if not demands to be in a theocracy.

How can you reconcile that to the millions of American infidels like me, whose "decadence and vulgarity" they will never be able to accept?

I won't stand for sharia law in my country and buddy, that is exactly what they are shooting for. Read Reza's link.

Perhaps I should make it clear that I emphatically support heavy supervision over these banks to see where the money goes. I have no problem with picking out Muslims for increased scrutiny. If they have a problem with it, maybe they should do a better job policing their communities. And hell, if the supervision is done secretly, we might be able to get leads on terrorists by seeing where the money is transferred.

My church gets charitable work through running a term-deposit scheme, and a mini-banking system. I can't see the problem with Mohamedans running their own bank. It's a free country, and I see no problem with people setting up lawful businesses to meet a perceived demand.

Of course, the government should keep an eye on where the money is going, and who it is coming from (so that we can be confident it's not terrorist money), but, surely they need to do that with all the banks.

#79, Bat 1

DeKalb County was a great place, a setting for idyllic childhoods.

Best regards to you and your family. Are you in Gwinnett?

Mentat, where are you in Canada? Anywhere close enough to make it to the Vancouver area LGF meetup?

#74, jinnderella:

"The Hot Needle of Inquiry"

(tips hat to another Larry Niven fan)

#72 Quark2:

this will occur if he can stand the rigour of dressage training.

Nooooooo! The horror, the horror... Don't you know dressage is just an ordeal you have to endure to get out on the X-country course?

Reza: You are without a doubt the most boring troll I've ever seen here-- you always say the same thing, and you never debate anyone. I never evn read your posts anymore-- you act on me like a deadly soporific!

#84 David

Who pays for the increased oversight, audits of books and records retention?

I know, throw a dhimmi tax on *them* to pay for it.

/hears ACLU screaming into a can of worms

#78 davide

Islamic wealth brings, with alarming consistency, extreme radicallism...

Atta was an educated technocrat-wannabee...

We are not being attacked by the poor....

The extreme poverty line is totally bogus...drop it.

Wasallam,

I think Reza's the genuine article. He has seen shari'ah and knows of its glory; the Magnificance of Allah Ta'ala, the Compassionate, the Merciful, and the joy of submission to the divine will.

#87 Dar al Harb: Well, I needed a spaceship, and The Serenity was taken! :)

#91, Aisha

Why are mohammedan countries shitholes?

#29

oh .. the ways i could respond to Davide ... !!!

but with a limited wordspan .. i'll leave it to a minimum.

Davide ... we are at WAR,

Believe it or not, we didn't declare the war .. we didn't start the fire, but its been burning for an awful long time.

Lets sum up the WAR to this point, should you not be up to date ....

Algeria, Liberia, Tunisia has fallen, Palestine has been cleared of Christians (as has most of the middle east). The lebanese christians? well .. you will find more in Brazil than you will in Lebanon now. Remember Sabra and Shatilla? Sure, I do. That was where it all ended for the PLO in Lebanon. Annihilation by the Leb Christians, who by that stage were mightily pissed off.

Iran is being cleansed as we speak. One story that comes out of Afghanistan on a regular basis is that the purpetrators of the massacres in the Taliban werent locals .. they were a bunch of arabs. In Iran, they are sterilising the influential potential of the local population. The Persian Gulf has been successfully renamed the Arabian Gulf now (under immense protest) for nearly 15 years.

Sudan? In dire straits. Pakistan? The only legitimate source of nukes for the Saudis, as they refuse to keep them in the holy land of Arabia. India? thank god there is already a bunch of angry Hindus there, or else .. it would be a lot worse there .. wait for the first rigged election .......

Iraq? Cleared of scum, but now a central point of dispute. Dont be fooled, France, Germany and Russia would love to go back to business as usual there. Foreign fighters making a mess of a degraded arab society.

Egypt? A cesspit, the training ground for the guys who do their best work .. making a mess of other nations.

Turkey? all i can say is .. Thank God for Attaturk.

Europe? Due to severe movements of immigrants after the cold war and previous patterns of immigration, there are large influential sectors of Muslims who have enough power to sway a government and flatten a nation into compliant Sharia. There are already no-go villages, signs in arabic, areas of total muslim influence and towns where if u aint muslim .. its time to leave. Europe may have areas that will fall soon, expect it.

America? scared shitless, but its not as bad as it could be yet. Expect worse, unless people are prepared to change things.

Canada? its already well instructed in how to support a full islamic regime. Again, unless situations change soon, expect trouble.

Mexico? a corrupt little place, wouldn't be too hard to construct something there with a load of cash.

I mean .. they have already done that with Argentina, Brazil, and Peru. Or, doesnt that reach your media?

Davide, again .. i repeat, this is a war. It may not have the glow of previous wars. But its not muslim bashing without a reason, and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech .. its got to do with freedom.

and the last thing u need in a war like this, is an easy source to distribute cash halfway across the planet.

I know, throw a dhimmi tax on *them* to pay for it.

LOL! Now there's an idea. A tax on burkhas and prayer-rugs! It's shari'ah compliant! We got the idea from the koran and hadiths!

#93

Due to the political set up globally and the Muslims getting pushed from pillar to post.

The problems of the Muslims shall only be solved if we adopt the method that was adopted of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and the Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum). That is the method of Imaan and good actions(Amaal-e-Saalihah). Imam Maaliki (RA) used to say the latter part of this Ummat shall not attain success till it adopts the way of the first part of this Ummah, i.e. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and Sahaaba Radhiallaahu Anhum).

Hence, Sharia'ah banks = less shit in the hole!

Islamic wealth brings, with alarming consistency, extreme radicallism...

For a second there, I though that said "Islamic wealth brings... extreme radiation".

#97, Aisha

Weren't they shitholes in the past, too? Even before the current political set-up?

#78 davide :

I think that there is still hope for Muslims to reject fundamentalism and Islamicism, even while I aknowledge that Muslim communities are a massive, massive problem right now.

Super. I can get down with that. But what did you think of Soviet immigration during the Cold War, and German and Japanese immigration during WWII? Better minds than mine determined this to be a Really Dumb Idea-TM. Even dumber, allowing them to transform our society to be like theirs. Dumber still, integrating them into our armed forces. You do understand why Checkov saying "Nuclear wessels" while on board one of our carriers was the only working intentionally funny line in that movie, right?

I'm all for you wiping the shit off your shoes before coming into my home. Just as we had no realistic way to determine which Russians, Germans and Japanese were as safe and friendly as possible, Islam should have to demonstrably reform itself and establish a lengthy track-record of non-violence before being welcomed to my shores. Your right to be a narcissistic idealist ends where my right to expect to be reasonably protected by my government begins. Want to live among people who believe in this bigoted and violent faith? Hit the friendly skies. Then we can both be happy. Something tells me that's not an option you're willing to consider.

Islamic wealth brings, with alarming consistency, extreme radicallism...

Mark Steyn often comments on how jihadists exploit European (mainly) and US (less common) welfare systems whilst plotting jihad against the west from Euro public housing.

Saudi Arabia has a particular problem with very affluent younger people with, literally, nothing to do but sit around reading the Koran and seething...

#98 Dar ul Harb

That inner glow could radiate at any time, now that the Mullahs are throwing the dice....

@92 jinnderella

Well mine was already up, an old one I haven't written in nearly a year. :)
I had no problem posting at Wretchard's. I was absolutely delighted to see s/he had opened up comments at last!

#101, ploome hineni

A lot of times, mohammedans' wives are cousins. In-breeding is common in those places.

i've been reading Reza's little posting. This is a classic example of how things would be under Shariah .. and i'll quote from the article itself.

Economically: The sale of alcohol or pork would be prohibited, gambling would be outlawed. The currency would change from paper money to the use of Gold as standard, thereby eradicating inflation. Stocks and shares would be prohibited as would insurance, interest based transactions and the current company structures - all of this would be replaced with a unique economic system encouraging distribution of wealth, banning exploitation and hoarding and ensuring transactions are done where the goods are tangible, the services specified and the companies are real. Man would be the trustee of God’s wealth on Earth promoting investment of it to please God – as in Jihad to conquer other lands to spread the law and order of Islam.

This shows absolute contempt for any known economic mechanism. As a brief insight into history would give, if u abandon a known standard, it will cause inflation. There were various times in history where the value of silver in the penny was lessened to allow for an inflationary period. Regardless of the mechanism inflation WILL happen if people cannot trust the currency.

There is a reason people flee from these shari'ah based nations. Most are overpopulated, underpowered, third world and shari'ah has a lot to do with it.

#85 Dekalb

Gwinnett it is... now home top over 180 identified "youth" gangs with roughly 25,000 members. So much for idyllic.

Davide: Here's a real brief lesson on how the world works: It takes both parties to an agreement to be honest, faithful to the terms of the agreement, and respectful of the other party, for that agreement to be successful (see further Hitler/Stalin, Hitler/Chamberline, Kim-Jong-il/Madeline Albright, etc., ad nauseum) This is the basis for Ronald Reagan's marvelous dicta: "Trust, but verify." When one party merely sees the agreement as an opportunity get itself out of the other's gunsight long enough to reload, then there really ain't much point in the agreement. This is exactly what the Dems on the left refuse to accept, and why the Cold War lasted so long, to the horror of those trapped behind the Iron Curtain. All the sophisticated calls for nuance and acommodation, for understanding and trust get to be rather tiresome after a while when you know the other guy is set on destroying you. Haven't heard much lately about the lack of "gravitas" have we? Again, unless the rest of Islam can convince the rest of western society that there is a real, marked distinction between them and the "Islamists" and demonstrate their comittment to fighting the terorists with the rest of us, then the advantage, and the victory, go to the West, where progresss, however it is to be defined, economically, technologically, scientifically, or militarily, is not hindered by the shackles of a state religion.

in sectors such as alcohol and tobacco.

No wonder LLL love sharia. It's just the new progressive nanny state. What a rude awakening. At least I'm old enough to not have to grow up in the soon to be dhimmi states.

#107, Buster Bunny

A gold standard could be inflationary, even if strictly followed. In other words, infaltion could, and did, occur without debasing the coinage. Worse, a commodity standard could be deflationary.

in sectors such as alcohol and tobacco.

No wonder Pat Buchanan loves sharia. It's just the Christian theocracy he wants to implement. At least I'm old enough to not have to grow up in the soon to be dhimmi states.

#100 Dekalb

They are only shitholes when viewed from OUTSIDE the palace walls .. . however many palaces there may be.

#91 Aisha:

I think Reza's the genuine article.

Oh, but does he have to so boring? I don't mind trolls, truly i don't, as long as they pass the snore test. Reza is awful. :(

BTW, I wuvved the Carol King Parody! :)

#112, Bat 1

I would imagine that what happens inside the palace walls is unpleasant, too. Wife-beating, pedophilia, funneling money to terrorists, and whatever else those people do makes them shitholes, too. Maybe gold-plated shitholes.

#111 Pssst Beagle! Let's go to the top thread and hijack it into byzantine mosaics and gnosticism-- Some one already mentioned the DaVinci code! I bet Zombie is up for it, and Charles has either run out of Waits or gone to bed-- how about it? :)

#115 jinnderella

Sure, but only if we can throw in Atlantis, world government, the second coming, and the Illuminati. ;-)
I'm not defending the Da Vinci Code. Scared the shiite out of me.

#114
Dekalb

Unpleasant? What a true masterpiece of understatement! School starts in the AM. Lets do this again soon.

#117, Bat 1

Yes, it's late.

Jinderella:

But unless you plan on offing 1.5 billion homo sapiens

I think you're inflating their strength in numbers by several hundred million. Don't fall for their propaganda on anything because everything they say is propaganda when communicated to non-Moslems.

On topic, I think Blair is now in free-fall to the hard-core Left of the Labor Party, actively undermining whatever value the English may have had in being part of an anti-jihadist coalition. Really depressing to witness this turnaround take place at the speed of light.

#116 Beagle: Compliance!-- see you at the top! :)

Mentat: Impressive. I'd guess that you are either from from the west, or from some place in the GTA. Just a guess(I do love guessing heh), but do let us know where you are from. There are quite a few of us...various provinces. Some don't consider ourselves 'Canadian' anymore, and only citizens of their respective City-State....such as Ontario. lol

The article itself...bad idea all around, I hate this PC crap already..but when countries bend over backwards to allow things like this...it bothers me. Why is it if I travel to their country I'm expected to adapt, and yet I'm expected to 'adapt' here to their customs. Right...lets turn my 1st world country in to a 3rd world pile of crap.

Don't use your left hand at the dinner table! Ugh.

more US Islamic Finance companies....

[Link: www.msa-natl.org...]

US Government hires Islamic Law expert....

[Link: japan.usembassy.gov...]

Dave Ray (#122)

I wonder if those banks are run according to sharia law.

Filed July 2 in U.S. District Court of the Eastern District of New York, a federal court in Brooklyn, the complaint alleges that the Arab Bank launders money raised by the Saudi Committee in Support of the Intifada Al Quds.

Through its branches in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the bank pays death benefits to the families of suicide bombers, the suit argues. It also charges the Arab Bank with serving Hamas and its charity front organizations.

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Others have sued Arab and Muslim governments that are sponsors of terrorism. Many have won their cases but have had difficulty collecting damages, often due to opposition by the State Department, which opposes efforts by U.S. citizens to collect damages against foreign governments on the grounds that they impede U.S. foreign policy and may result in similar suits against the United States.

The bank case was initiated by Gary Osen, a New Jersey attorney who resolved to combat terrorism personally after his neighbor was killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center.

Investigating Middle Eastern and Saudi institutions and charitable groups, Osen said, he found “brazen” connections to Palestinian terrorist organizations.

124 Zulubaby:

as their listed as Muslim finance companies I would imagine so, there are many listed on other sites as Arab finance. Understandably I ignored these lists as a lot of the institutions wouldn't necessarily be strict on the sharia aspect. As this list states that "Information taken initially from the MSA National's Islam Awareness Week Resource Manual", I would think that they would be sharia compliant.

They don't need their own bank, HSBC for one are already pandering to Islamic culture:

Sharia compliant mortgages

Most UK mortgages involve the house-buyer borrowing the money and paying it back with some interest charged on top. No good for Muslims. To avoid the issue of paying interest, Muslim mortgages usually involve the bank buying the property and then the buyer purchasing it from them and renting it over a length of time at a slightly increased price.

Muslim mortgages also involve making other aspects of the mortgage Sharia compliant, for instance making sure that the money the banks use to buy the property comes from permissible sources.

It would appear that there are no benefits to these mortgages at face value, if there was I might have to inform my bank that I'd converted to Islam. And how could they prove otherwise?

I could even quote some of the violent passages in the Qur'an if they doubted my integrity. :-D

Spiritulized:

my understanding with HSBC (Hong Kong Shanghai Bank) is that they offer this service in other countries as well as the UK, and frankly if there no gain to it as the bank instead of charging interest simply buys the house and rents it back to the muslim in question at a higher fee. They may feel they are being compliant with Islam, while what they're doing as well is making the bank richer......no wonder such a big bank is interested in the idea. Not so much pandering to Islam, more seeing pound signs.

The Sharia bans the payment of interest on loans and investment in sectors such as alcohol and tobacco.

To deal with the no-interest payment rule, the IBB will itself buy the assets sought by its clients then sell them back at a fixed price via monthly payments.

Today our investment portfolio includes and represents some of the most aggressive projects and means of financing Jihad and turning back the clocks of history over 1400 years.

While finding a safe and secure means to laundry and direct funds to the terrorist organization(s) of our choice, the investment strategies of our bank are helping to secure a world void of individual freedoms, maintaining Islamic stagnation while ensuring destruction of the United States and Israel.

Working with the Organization of Islamic Conferences, the Arab League and newly acquired client states within the European Union, some of the current products and projects include: financing and securing Iranian acquistion of nuclear weapons and enhancing their fissionable destructive force through to purchase of deuterium-tritium gas from Russia; returning Iraq to a state of pan-Islamic repression and financing schools of terrorism in kindergartens and elementary across the Palestinian Terrortories©.

Come in, visit our bank and open your account today. Not only will you learn of the vast array of products we are offering to advance genocide against the West, as an opening and introductory offer, we well select and expedite an accelerated program most right for us to secure your children’s status as Martyr.

Visit today, have your children be the first on the block and within Great Britain to find themselves in the arms of Allah and enjoy the pleasures of “72 Raisin’s in Paradise®.”

{Note: All Islamic Bank of Britain accounts insured by the Bank of England, the European Union - Directorate General for Economic and Financial Affairs and Ummah Bank. Tax, licensing and explosive devices extra, please contact you local Mosque Arms specialist and cleric for details.)

#1 Mentat... surely a typo. Mental would be more appropriate.

Israeli banks, for example, comply with Jewish law regarding these matters as well (which involves an investment with a guaranteed profit rather than a loan with interest). I have no objection to setting up such accounts as long as the bank soes not use the money for supporting terrorists.

In any case, banks that charge interest could do so as well.

Actually, if the Shari'a law is at all analogous to Jewish law, then one is allowed to charge interest to or be charged interest by someone of a different religion.

Since a nonmember is not restricted by your rules (i.e. can charge you interest) then you are allowed to charge him interest.

If that is the case, then only Muslim owned banks would not be able to charge Muslims interest. Non-Muslim banks have no such restrictions.

Does anyone know if this is the case, or are Muslims forbidden to pay interest to Non-Muslims?

Note that this reasoning is why the church forced Jews to act as middlemen for loans during the Middle Ages.

Reza, thanks for the link to the manifesto for Britain, I was particularly taken by the section that decrees that mathematical and scientific advances are entirely due to Divine Revelation. Since the Islamic world hasn't produced anything worthy of the name 'advance' for half a millenium it would appear that the Divine is concentrating his gifts on the Infidels - makes you wonder if they have really thought this through....

I used to think that the French would fall under dhimmitude before the Brits. Now I'm not so sure.

#43 bat1:

Let's all hope and pray that MI-5 has this bank wired inside out, up one side and down the other, so that not a farthing changes hands that they don't know about it.

It could be used as a flytrap strategy. Let them set up an Islamic bank and then watch very closely to see where the money goes. That probably isn't what is actually happening, but the possibility is there.

Eddie P

I would have NO problem with teaching Farsi in the schools.

It's a wonderful language and believe me, the Mullahs of Iran prefer to speak Arab than Farsi!
So do the Arabs, that despise everything Iranian

Now i read that the arabic (non Iranian ) speaking Mullahs are planning to ban people to visit ancient persia's monuments and heritage sites,such as the Temples of Darius and Cyrus, the gate of Zarathustra, etc..

That's why most Iranians are becoming anti-arab and pro-Isreal (other than pro-US)

I wonder if the British will pay attention to the kind of money that will be flowing over there...

Hey Dhummies, it's ISLAM stupid !

It dosen't matter whether it's an islamofascist bank, or an islamikaze school, or a friggin islamobot ballet school, okay? It's ISLAM stupid!

Islam is a colonizing, arab supremacist ideology with the ethos of a PRISON GANG and all the hypocritical sanctimony that can be found in any theocratic community.

Every small inroad the [bigoted word]s make into my civilization, every small step they make towards entrenching themselves, makes them stronger and US WEAKER.

They are not here to "assimilate" or become a part of our societies, they are here TO CONQUER US. An islamic bank is a natural precursor to more terror, more oppression, more islamofascist agitation.

Destroy this "bank" Destroy every islamic Madrassah, every "mosque" every Islamic ballet school and Halal butcher, every Liquor Store and 7-11 if you have to. They are coming for us and we had better be ready to destroy them. Or else.

Zero Immigration and Mass Deportations NOW!

All Islamobots back to Islamic Turdestan, NOW!

You are not welcome in my Country.

You are not welcome in my Country

YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY COUNTRY

YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY COUNTRY

C'mon, repeat after me, Its' fun!

YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY COUNTRY