the coward should be beaten for this within an inch of his life. I don't care who did it, a good beating is called for.

...and this is news because...?

Just like any other city in Europe, when I visited Paris I knew when I was getting nearer the Jewish area when I saw more swastikas in the graffiti.

So it was on a cathedral. What an unlikely place to find antisemitism.

Unfortunalely for the free loving people of the world it's only a matter of time till france falls!
يا الله
طُوبَى لأَنْقِ& #1610;َاءِ الْقَلْ& #1576;ِ، فَإِنَّ& #1607;ُمْ سَيَرَو& #1618;نَ الله
To bad they will probably blame the U.S.

According to yesterday's JPost, the Lyon cemetery vandal has confessed. He signed his work "phineas," maybe because he belongs to the phineas brotherhood, a charming bunch who believe God made whites in his image, that "dark" races are inferior, and that Jews were created by Satan
And we call the Middle Ages the "dark ages."

Democrats are questioning Dick Cheney's patriotism:

Associated Press
August 14, 2004

Harkin calls Cheney a 'coward' and criticizes 'backdoor draft'

DES MOINES -- Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called Vice President Dick Cheney a "coward" for avoiding service in Vietnam...

[Link: www.wcfcourier.com...]

Meanwhile, Kerry avoided service in Vietnam, does Harkin view him as a "coward"?

Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty

Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who is trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President George W Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard and thus avoided being sent to Vietnam.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Its news to me.

It take a sick person to deface a church or cemetary with anything, especially that.

Hopefully they pay with their soul.

Sacre bleu, Mon dieu, gee, wonder what are the French gonna do?

Absolutely nothing of course. They'll say that they've got strong anti-bias laws, that it was the work of a small group of individuals. That it, in no way, shape, or form, indicates that anti-semitism is rampant in France.

Of course, the French don't particularly seem to mind that the German neo-Nazis come over to France since it's so much friendlier than Germany to openly show your anti-Semitic, Ayrian supremacist views. (note: story also ran in the NYT.)

#2: Kibi

So it was on a cathedral. What an unlikely place to find antisemitism.

Nowadays, perhaps. A cathedral today would be a perfect place to smear for an Islamist or L³: as synagogues are usually guarded and Christians the Sunday children, a cathedral would be adequate.

Three stones of the wall had been dislodged, police said.

You'll find these stones when the next pro-Islamist demonstration takes place. They'll crush some police car windows.

Don't you mean "on a wall of Notre Dame Masjid"?

I'm sure it must have been more of those evil American facists, called "Phineas" or "Mortimer" or "The Dweeb-Boys", or whatever, sneaking into la belle France for the sole purpose of painting antisemetic graffitti on the walls to make poor France look bad. Curse those American facists! Is there anything they won't stoop to?

/Heh, heh, heh, sez Fritzie the Talking Kamel. . .

However Chirac got his bowels in an uproar when Ariel Sharon said whatever knows, that France is a hostile place for Jews.

Has anyone investigated the hunchback yet? Maybe he's Algerian.

OT

Israel Weighs How to End Hunger Strikes

JERUSALEM - Israeli prison officials are considering using jailhouse barbecues to entice hundreds of Palestinians prisoners to break a hunger strike launched this week to protest conditions, a spokesman said Monday.

mmm, bar-b-q.

France will not bat an eye. Now, had the Arab (wild ass guess on my part) wrote "Death to Catholics" on the Norte Dame wall, that would have made an uproar. But Jews? That old news. "Weren't they supposed to be gone from here like 60 years ago in the first place?"

mmm, bar-b-q.

That's the words of my idol, they are!

When will we we grow up and name the true cause for these outrages? When will we admit publicly that this is all the Jews' fault for existing? If they weren't around to provoke these spates of anti-Semitism, Europe would be much happier. Damn those shylocks!

/Europe's internal monologue

Observer: is that what they're now teaching in French schools? I wouldn't be surprised.

My 'favorite' outrage is still the desecration of the tomb of French Jewish soldiers from WWI. Because you know, it's not like they died defending your shitty medium-sized country in spite of its historical anti-Semitism or anything.

I have been to Paris, just one more reason to hate that city.

OT; an update to a story I earlier linked to. A palestinian hunger strike.

Israel Turns Up Heat on Palestinian Hunger Strike

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel declared psychological war on hunger-striking Palestinian prisoners Monday, saying it would barbecue meat outside their cells to try to break their will.
...

heh

One small comfort in life, is that PaveFrance.com is still on the case:

[Link: www.pavefrance.com...]
 

I guees if it said "death to the lefties" CNN and Katie Couric would be outraged and all over the story.

Alas - the left owns the Jew-hate wing of their movement.

Bravo lefties. Feel the hate - it's all yours.

#12 socaljustice:

Would that be Texas bbq? Or a Carolina BBQ? Korean bbq? Or nouveau cuisine bbq (NYC style fusion).

The smell from any of the above would probably have me in a homer simpson fugue in about 30 seconds :)

#6

Wow. I guess it's a different life in the US. My American friends also tell me they haven't seen anti-semitism of an overt kind at home.

In England, which I feel is considerably less overt in its anti-semitism than France, I have:
...been verbally abused dozens of times,
...been chased across busy roads
...been beaten up (once)
...been inside a yeshiva while a group of "youth" threw small rocks at windows and hurled verbal abuse at the scared boys inside
...seen innumerable antisemitic scrawlings on every building conceivable - courts, churches, synagogues, you name it (obviously they get washed off places like that faster than they get washes off toilet stalls).

Live and learn eh?

#6 Radian 8/16/2004 07:50AM PST

It take a sick person to deface a church or cemetary with anything, especially that.

Hopefully they pay with their soul.

Yes, and soon.

Not too OT -

On Guysen's English site, there is this picture accompanied by the caption:

The Greek observatory of Helsinki condemned the neo-Nazi graffiti - "Juden Raus (Jews out) Hitler was right"- which is on the Athens- Corinth highway, and the "State's lack of will to erase it".

So I'm googling around on this "Greek observatory" and found this, dated 2003:

OPEN LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER SIMITIS TO ASSURE NEO-NAZI ANTI-SEMITIC AND XENOPHOBIC GRAFFITI ON MAJOR CORINTH-TRIPOLI HIGHWAY IS ERASED

Accompanied by these photos:

[Link: www.greekhelsinki.gr...]
[Link: www.greekhelsinki.gr...]

A year later and the grafiti is still there?! Or even updated since the pics are different?

#16 Kevin P. When I first read your link, I thought they were cooking in front of the prisoners in order to entice them to eat the BBQ. But they aren't even offering the BBQ to the prisoners. LOL!

#14 Amos

Now, had the Arab (wild ass guess on my part) wrote "Death to Catholics" on the Norte Dame wall, that would have made an uproar.

I'd say the majority of Frenchmen stopped identifying with the Church soon after the Revolution. Writing "Sartre was a wall-eyed beret-wearing poseur!" might get a scowl out of them...

Hopefully the Israeli offer to french jews is still open and will be kept open. If I was jewish I would rather die defending Israel then live in france.

Lovely people, let's give them a state.

No, wait -

OT, and if you don't speak French, don't bother: Le Monde published an article today with the 'personal history' of the bastard who defaced the Jewish memorial of Douamont - so that we could all 'understand' him, you know.

Anyway, this article is the best anti-american propaganda I ever read. The only nationality ever mention is - guess what? And it's mentioned en passant or hinted to, just to make sure the impression it makes is unconscious. See, the bastard started turning neo-nazi when he displayed 'the flag of the southern american slavers', he 'enjoyed watching the images of the war in Irak, taking pleasure at the massacres', and he admired the 'american neo-nazi David Lane'.

Goebbels propaganda used a club. Le Monde goes with the thousand cuts method.

"We look at psychological means to deal with problems like this," Lefler said, saying the tactic has been used in other parts of the world. "Our interest is to return prisoners to eating as soon as possible." He said no decision had been made on whether to begin the threatened cookouts.

[Link: www.newsday.com...]

Is Amnasty International on this yet?

#28 next!

Lefler is an idiot. Our interest is to let them starve to death.

#5, William

About Kerry and Cheney:

1. That 1970 article has one sentence on Kerry's request for a one-year deferment and subsequent enlistment: "When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy."

2. Cheney, unless I've missed something, obtained five deferments and never served

Is this not correct?

"Severely sanctioned"? WTF does that mean? Are they going to be slapped with a fine, or prevented from doing business with people?

Anyway, Notre Dame cathedral will likely be sporting a crescent in place of its cross in 20 years or so.

#30 observer

You're correct - Comrade Ketchup was too dumb to dodge the draft.

Meanwhile, in an alley in East Texas, thousands of miles from the topic...

Okay, who put Hank Hill in charge of the Israeli prison system? Israelis Consider Using Barbecues to End Hunger Strike

Hank HillBoy, I tell you what, if grilling goat meat over sweet lady propane doesn't break that hunger strike, than nothing will.

Boomhauer Yeah man, I tell ya what, man. That dang ol' car swarm, man. You just go in there and hellfire and bang. Talk about cooked meat an ulululululululululululululululululu. Dang old cannibal savages, man.

VthK

So funny! This is the Shishlik system of psychological torture, which must be performed only by highly trained Mossad agents.

#23 Lively

When I first saw this story about the hunger strike. I knew the Israelis would have an interesting way of stopping it. What a better idea than to let them sniff of some open roasted meat! I can never resist... lol

More OT; Please put on your tin-foil hats.

Maybe the Israelis should bring in a couple of fresh, still steaming cars after they get hit by an IDF missle, and put THEM outside the cells of the hunger strikers. After all, it is their favorite cooked meat. And that so familiar aroma...

If anyone's interested, I have posted something about Notre Dame's history regarding the Jews.

#29 Mr Pol 8/16/2004 08:16AM PST

#28 next!

Lefler is an idiot. Our interest is to let them starve to death.

And by this account, they're still only threatening to BBQ.

*sigh*

#27 Mr Pol, I'm sickened.
#40 Roger L Simon, I'm interested. Gonna check it out now.

#42 evariste

I'm sickened.

We'd better learn from it. Those SOBs are raising propaganda to an art form.

#38, ploome hineini

Yeah:

March 1963: 1st student deferment; July 1963: 2nd; Oct. 1964: 3rd; Nov. 1965: 4th; Jan. 1966: 3A exemption. All in Selective Service records.

So? He did what he did, he said what he said about Vietnam being a "noble cause" but that he had "other priorities" in the 1960s.

You may, or you may not, connect his actions and words in the 1960s to his subsequent public service. But that's who he was, and how he behaved then.

#9 Cato the Elder

Or the Masjid al-Osama bin Laden (Plutonium Be Upon Him)

If I'm not mistaken the Brits employed the 'sniff the BBQ' strategy during the 1980s in an attempt to break an IRA hunger strike in which Bobby Sands died of starvation.
The [bigoted word] prisoners need not worry, they can look forward to the 72 raisins in paradise.

Meanwhile ... back at the EU ... the building of The Wall has been approved.

Oh wait ... not THAT wall!

[Link: www.globes.co.il...]

OT: Yesterday, I emailed New England Cable News to bitch at them for continuing to peddle the hippie-dippie summer camp program for Israeli and Pali teenagers, "Seeds of Peace," as a viable solution to the "cycle of violence":

I note that once more, NECN is flogging the tired concept of the "Seeds of Peace" camp, at which Israeli and Palestinian youngsters meet, play games, and supposedly learn to "co-exist in harmony."

These hold-hands-and-sing-"Kumbaya"-style projects are based on the supposition that two warring peoples will stop warring if they come to "understand each other" sufficiently.

Perhaps it's never occurred to the head-in-the-clouds sorts who run them that people war because they understand each other all too well. It's been long observed that few wars as as vicious as civil wars, and that hatred within actual families is more powerful than hatred of those who aren't related to one.

Golda Meir said 30 years ago, "There will be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs begin to love their children more than they hate Jews." How prophetic she was. And how willfully ignorant of this simple widsom the rest of the world, especially the media, remains.

Well, didn't that bend someone's nose out of joint! Charles Kravetz, the Head Bozo in Charge, wrote back:

Thanks for writing NECN. Hatred is learned. So is love and tolerance. That is, as much as anything, the lessons of Seeds of Peace. Apparently you have a better idea for peace in the Middle East. Perhaps you should act on that. All our best. NECN

Well, yeah, I do. It involves a few daisy cutters. But most idiotarians like Kravetz see that as racist!!! rather than realistic. (Of course, were it the Paleos dropping them on Jews, they'd beg us to understand the "root causes of the Palestinians' legitimate anger.")

I just wrote back:

Goodness. What a snarky email. Defensive much?

And NECN wonders why people criticize it for bias and watch FOX News instead.

"Telling it like it is"...what a joke.

Lizardoid minions, and especially my fellow New Englanders (particularly those here in the People's Republik of Taxachusetts) should feel free to drop Mr. Kravetz a line and tell them what they think of him.

Mr Pol-yes, we do need to watch what they're doing with care. And I'm glad you report on this to us. We don't really get to see this stuff that goes on in the French media, otherwise.

JERUSALEM - Israeli prison officials are considering using jailhouse barbecues to entice hundreds of Palestinians prisoners to break a hunger strike launched this week to protest conditions, a spokesman said Monday

Damned, cruel Jews!

(especially if they import it from Texas)

Hell, *I* just got hungry ... *whine*

Ya know this death to Jews is getting really old. What about a little creativity and use the hate for something more interesting... like self threapy or something useful.

Ahhh the old chirac and de villepin tossed a coin, heads was the buried American troops, tails was Phineas, blame game is to begin, again.

OT

Got another one:

AP: Tel Aviv District Court orders pro-Palestinian American activist Adam Wilson deported from Israel

source: Ha'aretz ticker

Google search on young Adam.

Indymedia, Pravda, etc..

Him and his buddies bragging about lying about being tourists on a recent trip to Israel.

Buh-bye.

SoCalJustice -- No, suspicion should not fall on Quasimodo. He was a Gypsy. One of the only other people the Germans hated and feared as much as the Jews.

On the We-Won't-Eat strikers:
Among their demands -- in addition to computers, copiers and refrigerators in their cells -- is to have KNIVES and KARATE LESSONS.

The BBC will think it inhuman to deny such reasonable requests.

A wife of one of the hunger-strikers whines that hubbie has not seen the kiddies in years.

There are Israeli men who will never see their children again in this world because of creatures like her poor hubbie.

#54 SoCalJustice - little dogooder shits. Guess they forget America's occupation on native American land. The pot never tires of calling the kettle black. Asswipes.

Love the part where these spoiled brats think that America's laws should apply to another country.

SoCal, this is priceless:

Bacon still bears the scars from being shot at with rubber bullets during one demonstration. But he says he has no regrets. "I had been interested in going to Palestine for some time," he says, dating his motivation to his efforts as a student at the University of Texas in Austin against the United Nations sanctions placed on Iraq. "I became more knowledgeable on other Middle Eastern issues, like the struggle in Palestine. But I didn't want to go to Palestine in the context of an unconnected observer.

What a tool! It's like a parody in the Onion! "Bacon still sports two bloody stumps where his hands had been, but after his captors amputated and released him, he says he has no regrets..." Incredible.

Cheney, unless I've missed something, obtained five deferments and never served

So is Cheney a "coward" as Democrat senator Harkin states?

Associated Press
August 14, 2004

Harkin calls Cheney a 'coward' and criticizes 'backdoor draft'

DES MOINES -- Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called Vice President Dick Cheney a "coward" for avoiding service in Vietnam...

[Link: www.wcfcourier.com...]

Kerry applies for a deferment, and is rejected.

Cheney applies for a deferment, and is approved.

Seems to me, the only difference between the two is one was approved, and one was rejected.

Another difference is that Cheney did not aid the enemy, as

2 Kibi

So it was on a cathedral. What an unlikely place to find antisemitism.

I'm sorry to tell you, Kibi. But unless you are cynical, you are mistaken. Christianity has an atrocious record on anti-Semitism. Until the mid-twentieth-century, Christianity was even worse than Islam.

To give one example, at the end of the 15th century all Spanish Jew fled (read: were forced to flee) to the Ottoman Empire. Turks forced the Jews to live as dhimmis. But in Spain, only the Inquisition and death awaited them.

Ah, I see. Seeking deferment = cowardice, i.e., using the approved, legal method is cowardly. But running away to Canada, say, on "principle" -- that takes real courage.

An August 13th NYT article, 'Thwarted in Germany, Neo-Nazis Take Fascism to France' seemed to bend over backwards to present neo-nazism as a right-wing Le Pen sort of phenomenon. It presented French Muslims and Jews as equally under threat to attacks from neo-nazis:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It's frustrating how the real fascism of our time is glossed-over by the Times. Overwhelmingly, racist hate crimes in France are perpetrated against Jews---most often by French Muslims. You wouldn't gather this from the Times article, which puts Jews and Muslims in the same victim category, persecuted by presumably white French skinhead Nazis.

So the point is missed entirely that the New Fascism---Islamofascism---is global, and on the rise, unlike French skinheads.

#62: Umm, Tacitus? You may be interested to know that there is another blogger, very famous, named Tacitus. Just FYI. There will be namespace collisions and you will be mistaken for him, my advice is to change your nick. I'm not completely familiar with the details but he might be severely disliked here after feuding with Charles.

#18 Bravo lefties. Feel the hate - it's all yours.

Coulda sworn swastikas belonged to the far right.

The more famous Tacitus.

#33 V the K

Hank Hill

ROTFLLAHIH!*

*Rolling on the floor laughing like a hyena in heat

40 Roger L. Simon

I’ve taken the liberty to quote you extensively:

On either side of the central portal, in tall niches, are two female figures, Ecclesia and Synagoga. On the left as you face it is Ecclesia, a beautiful woman wearing a crown. She represents the Roman Church. On the right is Synagoga, a woman blinded by a serpent around her eyes, with her head bowed, and her staff shattered; the tablets of the law slip from her hand. She represents Judaism. Variations of these figures are common in church architecture all over Europe and in medieval art as well.

Indeed, this pretty much sums it up. Christianity sees itself as the inheritor of Judaism. That’s why a collection of Judaic writings (basically the Tenak) is called the Old Testament and makes up the first half of the Bible. Christianity believes that trough Jesus Christ, a “New Covenant” was established between God and mankind. The “Old Covenant” had been superseded.

Christianity can either stress its bound with the Judaism, or, on the contrary, it can consider the continued existence of Jews as embarrassing. In extreme cases, this can end in supporting the killing of Jews. This happened in Spain in the 16th century, in the Ukraine in the 17th century, in Russia in the 19th century. This is why a lot of Christians remained silent when the Nazis rose to power.

blinded by a serpent around her eyes : Because the Jews hadn’t recognized Jesus as the/their Messiah.
her staff shattered : The Jews are no longer God’s chosen people. The Christians have taken their place.
tablets of the law slip from her hand The Mosaic Law, “the Old Covenant” has been replaced by the New Covenant.

#63, 65

Thanks.

Not sure what I can do about it. It seems difficult to change my name from Tacitus to Marcus Tacitus, which would distinguish things more completely.

#59, William

I never used the terms ("coward" etc), nor made the equations.

But look, if the war in Vietnam seemed like such a "noble cause" to the young Cheney, why make such efforts to avoid serving in that cause?

He had "other priorities." Good enough--staying alive is a sensible priority. But drop the bs about the nobility--as the Germans say--"ohne mich"--without me. I have a friend who joined the Marines to advance this noble cause. After 12 operations--he stepped on a Cong boobytrap--he lives primarily on disability. He told me that while he served, "I hated the demonstrators against the war. If I had known then what I know now, I might have joined them." Is he a traitor too?
I don't like throwing terms around that easily, neither "coward" nor "traitor."
Too much nuance is ridiculous, the right amount is wise.

I may sound very harsh on Christianity, but it is no coincidence that most pogroms started on Easter Sunday after the Easter Mass. The Orthodox Churches incited their people on that day. The image of the Jew-as-Christ-killer has been promoted for centuries. Mel Gibson’s ‘The Passion of the Christ” didn’t come falling out of the sky ... The Vatican remained silent while the Jews were gassed. The worst anti-Semitic writing before “Mein Kampf” was to be found in Martin Luther’s writings. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism ... Indeed, the Nazis quoted Luther extensively, and they didn’t have to take much out of context either.

I may sound very harsh on Christianity, but Christianity has also been responsible for humanism, for secularism, for our modern vision of tolerance, and for most of the values we hold dear. Most of the people who did risk their lives to save Jews during the Second World War were deeply religious Christians.

Christianity has a very mixed record. Islam has a very one-sided record. And, Christianity has finally changed.

But, a cathedral is far from an unlikely place …

I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, everyone dies, eventually.

/LLL mental deficient

Tacitus: it seems difficult, why? Just register the new nickname.

Requires a new email address. The one I am using (marcus_tacitus@yahoo.com) is registered to just plain 'Tacitus.' The registration bot claims that only one nickname can be ascribed to a given email address.

Tacitus-aaah. Email Charles and ask him to change your nick in the database. I'm sure that he will.

#63 English Liberal

Socialists are still 'left' aren't they? A more nuanced approach might bring you to the realization that there was not a drop of difference between Stalin (far 'left') and Hitler (far 'right'). Socialism always leads to repression and deaths, whichever direction in which you think it points.

BTW, it's always a bad move to post your email address in plaintext on the web, you're basically begging for spam. Next time do something like "marcus_tacitus on the yahoo.com domain" or "marcus_***@yahoo.com" so you're not exposed to spam-bots.

Anti-semitic anything by "Christians" has been an ugly and shameful history.

For what it's worth, Rust, you might be heartened somewhat to know that this business of "New" vs. "Old" testament was never presented to me (a thirtysomething Roman Catholic) as supercession.

The teaching since my childhood is that "new" is a misnomer. There is no "new" covenant: there is only an extension and renewal of God's first convenant (with the Jewish people) to the gentiles, i.e., all of humanity. "The Old Testament" is best rendered as "The Ancient Convenant," meaning the one of greater antiquity.

We RC's are properly, therefore, to look to Judaic believers as "our elder brothers in faith."

I just wish RC's were more consistent and forceful on this point, particularly in the Vatican.

#70 Rust Never Sleeps
#77 godfrey

Thanks to idiots like Stephen Sizer, replacement theology (that believe the Church has replaced the Jews as G-d's chosen) is still alive and well, but like you godfrey, I've had no personal exposure to it as an evangelical Christian. This is a huge topic, but from my perspective, the founding of the state of Israel was a wake up call to Bible believing Christians, and compelled us to go back to what G-d said about his People. There is a much more spiritual dimension to it than this of course, but it's tough to be spiritual on a Monday morning!
;-)

I never used the terms ("coward" etc), nor made the equations.

Never said or implied you did.  I simply asked:

Is Cheney a "coward" as Democrat senator Harkin states?

Your response is?

And I would also ask, how do you feel that Democrats lie and falsely claim that Republicans "questioned Max Cleland's patriotism," and then come out with this nonsense directly questioning Cheney's patriotism?

Such behavior gives new meaning to the term audacity.

But look, if the war in Vietnam seemed like such a "noble cause" to the young Cheney, why make such efforts to avoid serving in that cause?

Similarly, if the war in Vietnam seemed like such a noble cause to Kerry, why make efforts to avoid serving in that cause?  During his DNC speech, Kerry stated "I defended my country in Vietnam" but during his 1971 testimony he claimed he, his fellow soldiers, and their commanders, were all "war criminals" and that the Soviet-backed North Vietnamese army were simply fighting a "war of liberation" and that the thousands of Americans who died in that conflict had died for "the biggest nothing in history."  Which is it?  Did Kerry "defend his country" or are he and the other veterans "war criminals" who fought for "nothing"?  How about those who died in the Korean War, are they also "war criminals" who fought and died for "nothing"?  Why did Kerry serve as Useful Idiot for Ho Chi Minh and the Soviet Union upon his arrival home?
 

Coulda sworn swastikas belonged to the far right.

The far left has replaced what the far right used to be.

He told me that while he served, "I hated the demonstrators against the war. If I had known then what I know now, I might have joined them."

What does he "know now"?  He fought to contain communism.  Those who hampered his mission, were the likes of

Coulda sworn swastikas belonged to the far right.

All evil is rooted in the desire of some people to impose their will over other people. Whether this is done in the name of Nazism, socialism, environmentalism, Islamism or any other -ism is just a detail.

#54 SoCal

Excellent story. Thanks for posting that. I ♥ when ISM people get booted out of Israel. Ya made my day.

#79, William

Fair enough.

1. No, I don't think Cheney is a "coward."
2. I'm no Kerry enthusiast or defender (I just posted on another thread, taking off from a poem, that "Kerry, once caught in the fact, shows you a fair pair of heels"), but I do not equate a change of mind on the Vietnam war with treason.
3. Nobody doubts that some massacres of civilians took place--they do in every war on both or all sides, but that does not turn ALL soldiers into war criminals.
4. Kerry, I agree, made his own soup here--a war hero and critic of the war--if his rhetoric had not been so extreme in 1971, could you accept both stances --if not from him, but from an honest and patriotic serviceman who during his tour of duty there experienced enough to become disillusioned with the cause and conduct of the war? My Marine friend did this, but unlike Kerry, never indicted those who served honorably there.
5. Cheney-- what does he care about? I don't know--I know more about the cultural issues his wife supports (and I mostly agree with). At times, he strikes me as Bush's Nixon, but I'm sure you'll find this unfair. I don't think I'd like to sit with him over a Guinness and talk about the issues in America that concern a lot of us. Rumsfeld, probably--I think he'd give straight answers. Cheers.

Death to France. Down with the infidels.

observer,

5. Cheney-- what does he care about? I don't know--I know more about the cultural issues his wife supports (and I mostly agree with). At times, he strikes me as Bush's Nixon, but I'm sure you'll find this unfair. I don't think I'd like to sit with him over a Guinness and talk about the issues in America that concern a lot of us. Rumsfeld, probably--I think he'd give straight answers. Cheers.

for your reading pleasure:The Conservative Case For Cheney. Psst, don't tell anyone, but he's a hero and a mensch.
Time to make the donuts.

observer and evariste, off-sides, Cheney is the only guy on the ticket I have any real respect for. He made his money legitimately, in the private sector, without help from his dad, without marrying a rich widow, and without suing baby doctors out of business.

#86, evariste

OK, the article makes the case for him on the issues and on his loyalty.
I haven't seen the Mensch and heroic sides. I'm not saying they may not be there.

Speaking of Christians who need to be dope-slapped, I got this in my inbox today. This is my punishment for signing up for the South Beach newsletter. :-(

#87, Furious J

A solid point, maybe a touch hard on Edwards who did what the legal system allowed (or encouraged).

Yep, channeling an unborn child's thoughts, and successfully selling them to jury, is still legal...

Zulubaby,
I never understood why Nationalist SOCIALISM (Nazism) was considered to be a right wing movement either. It seems by their very name they thought themselves to be leftists.

#55 Clio

Thanks for the info on the "hunger strikers" demands. Yahoo news is a little bi-asssed in their report. The main horrible "condition" that they're protesting is that they are no longer allowed to have cell phones (appropriately named) when it was discovered [surprise, surprise] they were using them to orchestrate terror attacks on the outside.

According to soldiers who have done guard duty, the prisoners conditions are better than that of their guards. They can cook anything they want, get all the latest newspapers, movies, CD's; play soccer, hone their jumping through fire skills, etc. In fact, IDF soldiers have complained that the Arabs had access to so much stuff that it jeopardizes the safety of the guards.

Also, in the past, what they called a "hunger strike" was to not eat one thing, like oranges or bread. I don't think it's the case this time. I heard they're actually not eating (shock), only drinking. Milkshake anyone?

#80 zulubaby

The far left has replaced what the far right used to be.

Another way of putting it would be to say that the far right and the far left are contiguous - just as they were in the 1930s.

#93 halldor :

Very true. The left back in the 30's used to scream that *spit*Hitler*spit* was just 'misunderstood' that everything he was doing were lies, and the Jews deserved it. Or he was protecting their 'soverignty' or some such. Well they did right up until he started bombing the UK into dust every night. But even then you had those who hung onto those ideals. Radical left sums it up.

Good quote for Le Monde's article Mr Pol mentioned above:

Devant les images de la guerre en Irak, il jouit des massacres, debout devant le poste, comme dans ses jeux de simulation de guerre.

which translates: "Watching the images of the war in Iraq, he relishes on the massacres, standing in front of the TV, as if in a war simulation game."

No need to say more about the professionalism of the Frecnh media.

And BTW, no article has been written, ever, about the Iranian judoka who refuse to compete with the Israeli. To be honest there was 2 lines in Le Figaro, very en passant.

#89 papijoe

My sympathies - hope you've decontaminated your inbox! Spong, the self-described 'christian' who debunks every tenet of the Faith and fashions God in his own image. Wouldn't like to be in his shoes when he faces his Maker.