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Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 8:29:18 am PDT

Abdurahman Khadr, a Toronto man who trained at Al Qaeda terror camps in Afghanistan, has testified that he saw “a lot” of Canadians there, training for jihad—and they’re now living in the West.

“A lot” of Canadians trained at al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and some still live freely in Canada, Abdurahman Khadr testified at a court hearing at which he revealed chilling new details about Canadian terror suspects and his father’s ties to Osama bin Laden’s training camps.

Mr. Khadr, a 21-year-old Toronto man who underwent weapons and explosives training at four camps in Afghanistan, said in testimony made public yesterday that he had given CIA agents the names of several Canadians who trained at camps such as Khalden.

“I know a lot of people that are living in the West and are living in Canada, and that live their everyday life now and are not under arrest or anything, that have been to Khalden,” Mr. Khadr testified at a July 13 hearing in Montreal.

“I had a lot of friends that were Canadians that came to Afghanistan and went to training,” Mr. Khadr said. “Some of them are dead now and some of them are back in Canada and some of them are under arrest.”

His contention that graduates of the Afghan camps are living normal lives in Canada comes as U.S. officials are concerned that al-Qaeda might try to use Canada as a staging ground for a terrorist strike some time before November’s presidential election.

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1 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:31:04am

Allahu Akbar, eh?

2 # 17  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:32:50am

Perhaps some of them were in the UK, and are now ensconced in Paddingtom Green Police Station.

3 Capt. Queeg  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:34:03am

Close the border.

4 NDMNTX  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:35:03am

and the liberal canuck govt will do absolutely nothing sensible about it.

5 FreakyBoy  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:35:43am

Jihad against acid rain?

6 Shinken  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:37:51am

OT

The Iranian Judoka who refused to compete against the Israeli is OVER his weight and DISQUALIFIED from the games


[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

CBC SPORTS ONLINE - An Iranian judoka who refused to compete against an Israeli for political reasons has been disqualified from the Games for being overweight.


If he was really angry at the Israeli, he should have competed against him to prove he was better. Of course, much like the the1936 Berlin Olympics, that plan might backfire.

7 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:39:37am

I wonder if any of them were named Canuckistan?

BTW, did it get banned?

8 westoner  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:42:41am

a "lot" of Canadians there.

Shouldn't that read,

a lot of "Canadians" there.

9 rob  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:43:33am

Well, we could close the border to all Canadians, or...

we could profile and close the border only to those Canadians whose profile makes the even reasonably likely candidates for being trained jihadis waiting for the call to action: let's see, must be the Dukobors, the Mennonites, the Inuit, blond English grandmothers from Toronto, tow-headed children from Saskatchewan, Chinese Christian fundamentalists from Vancouver...

10 Dave Ray  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:43:50am

More enemies within...just in the US this time...

[Link: www.wired.com...]

11 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:44:47am

The CIA has the names, they are done.

Maybe we should import them and re-export them to Najaf, just in time for the fireworks...

12 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:45:00am

#5

Jihad against American beer companies (like Coors)buying Canadian ones (like Molson).

13 FreakyBoy  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:47:34am

Chop... Chop... Time to round up a bunch gray haired octogenarian Canadian women to question.

/profiling is racism

14 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:48:14am

Dave Ray, from your link:

"If you feel that you must shut up someone through intimidation or false accusations or any other method -- you are not relying on the superiority of the truth," The Pull, co-founder of the online political action group Hacktivismo, wrote in an e-mail. "People can not condemn censorship and then embrace it."

"The Pull" hasn't visited DU or Idiotmedia, has he?.

15 GNIDAthe#seCond  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:51:59am

I have no doubt CSIS is tracking all these terrorists right now as they lead normal lives.

16 simsg  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:52:56am

As a person who travels alot from Canada to the US, US boarder control workers are very good and very tough. The Canadian boarder workers (going into Canada from the US) are not so bright.

17 spot  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:58:31am

"Close the border". No, surely you don't mean that. Come to Canada guys and see what a free-thinking, open-minded, fair and socially-aware society can do for your health and peace of mind. Lower stress levels, not worrying all the time that people are out to get you, no more paranoia. The realisation that there is life outside the US of A and it's not too bad. Try it, try it. And go to Europe too while you're at it. People don't hate you they just find you unbelievably paranoid and just a tad ignorant of other cultures. But if you don't go you don't know. So be brave - venture out into the big bad world. Go on, you can do it...

While we're on use of quotations, how about a "lot" of weapons of mass destruction or even a lot of "weapons of mass destruction".

Or maybe "elected" president Bush.

Peace

18 Dave Ray  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 6:59:56am
19 GNIDAthe#seCond  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:00:28am

I saw some suspicious East African cabdrivers two weeks ago in Toronto's "Entertainment District" among a throng of party-goers (in the thousands)--my sixth sense told me they should not have been idling among the crowds chatting away. That's all my suspicion is based on. So I'm obliged to stay mum. Meanwhile, in another part of the city a Somali cabdriver assured me Canada would never be bombed because "Canada does not make war." I reminded him of "Canadian Forces" in Afghanistan and he scoffed.

20 Killraven  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:02:15am

uh, spot, that would be closing the US border from Canadians. All the leftists and jihadists who wish to go to Canada from the US are welcome to as far as I am concerned, provided they never, ever return.

21 FreakyBoy  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:02:48am

Spot:

Glad to know the Jihadists are living stress free up there.

22 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:03:18am

#17 spot

You cannot be for real?!?! Canada is lefty, nanny-state, socialist central.

And, yes-I'm Canadian.

"Peace".

23 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:03:35am

#16 simsg

As a person who travels alot from Canada to the US, US boarder control workers are very good and very tough.

They let me pass a few years ago. I'd say the evidence is not conclusive enough.

24 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:04:44am

#17 spot

I'm in Europe. And you're an idiot.

25 greenmamba  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:05:26am

#17 spot (the brain cell)

26 FreakyBoy  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:05:26am

Oh, and spot:

Seems people feel the need to exit utopia, too:

Suicide levels equal or higher in Canada than US.

27 Norwegian kafir  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:05:55am

Iranian-Canadians like Ali Sina have warned about the consequences of Canada's appesement before. Of course, nobody will listen to them before many people die.

28 Dave Ray  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:06:41am

Mr Pol:

As a fellow who is also in Europe, I must congratulate you on outing Spot as an idiot...for he is

29 GNIDAthe#seCond  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:06:48am
30 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:07:05am

#17

Is it really "peace", or creeping dhimmitude?

31 maf  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:07:26am

see spot

see spot run

see spot run off at the mouth

pride in a country that offers food stamps for their pets

O Canada, O spot, O forget it

32 rob  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:10:41am

spot:

I suppose you think yourself clever. Canada, and the Europeans, are free riders: you have your welfare states and low stress societies because the Big Dogs, the United States of America, and the British, are busy defending civilization, maintaining freedom of the seas, and paying the cost of defence.

Most of the time we Americans don't mind so much that we're doing the job that has to be done without much help from those who benefit most (think you Canadians, the Froggies and the Bosche). We get testy, though, increasingly so, when you free riders nip at our ankles, criticize us for the defence you are too feckless to undertake and too self-indulgent to pay for.

If you want a seat at the table -- any table in the house, let alone the top table -- you have to pay the cover charge.

33 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:11:05am

#17 spot

On a business trip to Ottawa I ordered ostrich in a fancy restaurant. I was fantastic.
Thanks for reminding me of that.

34 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:12:53am

OT

MM's DVD will be released just weeks before election day.

35 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:14:04am

In my inbox, just in time for Christmas

What Muslims, multiculturalists, and the media hope you never find out about Islam


Sword of the Prophet
by Serge Trifkovic

Since the attacks of September 11, dozens of books have been rushed to market purporting to "explain" the religion in whose name the terrorists acted. Most of them strike a common theme: "true" Islam -- as opposed to the "fundamentalist" variety of the hijackers -- is a "religion of peace" that promotes charity, tolerance, freedom, and culture no less than "true" Christianity.

Such an viewpoint, argues Serge Trifkovic, foreign affairs editor of Chronicles magazine, is not only false but dangerous, since it blinds to the true nature of the enemy that threatens us. Moreover, it betrays a hidden agenda: to discredit Christianity and the West by comparison to an sanitized, idealized Islam that bears no resemblance to its actual teachings or history.

To correct this, Trifkovic gives us the unvarnished, "politically incorrect" truth about Islam -- including the shocking facts about its founder, Mohammed; its rise through bloody conquest; its sanctioning of theft, deceit, lust and murder; its persecutions of Christians, Jews, Hindus and other "infidels"; its cruel mistreatment of women; the colossal myth of its cultural "golden age"; its irreformable commitment to global conquest by any means necessary; the broad sweep of the military, political, moral, and spiritual struggle that faces us; and what we must do if we wish to survive.

Sword of the Prophet reveals the details and documentation for hundreds of "politically incorrect" facts about Islam -- such as:

• The Koran sanctions pillage, looting, ransom, and the rape of captive women as an incentive to join in jihad or "holy war"

• The Koran allows a man to have up to four wives -- at any one time. He can divorce a wife by simply saying so 3 times

• Mohammad had as many as 25 wives. One was six when they married; he was 54. He consummated the marriage when she was 9

• At least 27 people were murdered on Mohammed's orders

• Mohammed allowed temporary marriage "for three nights" or more, so that soldiers in the field could "marry" prostitutes

• The Koran assures the Muslim the right to own slaves by purchasing them or as a bounty of war. Mohammad had dozens

• In Islam, the definition of what is "right" or "just" is not fixed, but changeable by divine decree -- enabling the most heinous sins and crimes to be declared "the will of Allah"

• The joys and glories of the Islamic "paradise" are tangible and sensual and include sex with virgins -- and young boys

• The Crusades were a belated military response to three centuries of Muslim aggression against Christian lands and peoples

• Islam divides the world into the House of Islam (where Islam rules) and the House of War (where it doesn't). The two are permanently at war; there may be temporary truces, but peace will come only upon the completion of global conquest

• When Muslims are a minority community, the Koran permits them to adopt a peaceful attitude to deceive their neighbors, until they feel strong enough to dispense with the pretense

• The massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger in sheer numbers than the Holocaust

• Islam's "golden age" was parasitic on the Christian cultures and peoples it conquered, and ended when it "killed the host"

• In 1993, Saudi Arabia's supreme religious authority declared that the world is flat, and that anyone who disagrees is an infidel to be punished

Order your copy of The Sword of the Prophet and save 20% off the publisher's price.

Click here:

[Link: www.hebookservice.com...]

36 WarBicycle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:14:47am

Khadr ratted out on all of them, some day they'll coveniently disappear.

37 moshe28  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:14:53am

off topic

anybody here very familiar with or worked at any orthodox union certified meat restaurants???


Moshe

38 Tumulus11  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:15:48am

' If you can't run with the Big Dogs, stay on the porch.'

. Spot, sit.

Good boy.

Stay.

39 Smit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:16:41am

Ahh it was "spot's" first comment, ahh bless.

Spot, sweetie, you need to brush up on your LLL mantra.
It's not "elected" president Bush it's selected pResident *

Some of us read DU as well.

40 andthenblammo!  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:17:23am

Out, damned Spot!

41 Boy Hits Car  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:18:46am

Spot:

I've been to both Canada and Europe.

Paint with a broad brush much?

42 William  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:19:00am

The Kerry Legacy -- not to be missed:

[Link: thenewsoldierbook.com...]
(note: page is slow to load)
 

43 FreakyBoy  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:21:34am

In one respect, I must agree with good boy spot.

We need to keep the Canadian border open until we get prescription drug prices under control and allow Cuban cigar imports.

After then, I don't care.

44 andthenblammo!  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:22:20am

#41 Boy hits Car:

I don't think Spot would know which end of the brush to grab, and which end to dunk in the paint.

45 Boy Hits Car  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:24:36am

Can anyone tell me why Canadians are so obsessed with what Americans do and don't do?

46 Dave Ray  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:24:54am

34 Sarah D:

and these were the muppets who wanted the South Park creators to delay the release of Team America because it could be seen as propaganda (or should that read patriotism?)!!! It's a marionette show you numbskulls! They happily chow down on MM's regurgitated lies and promote a piece of party political broadcast for Mr Kerry but object to a satirical take on Thunderbirds??? Has the world gone mad?

47 andthenblammo!  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:32:01am

#45 Boy hits Car:

I asked that question of our correspondents from Canada once. To sum up their answers; due to decades of de-facto one-party rule, and a very powerful political-correctness lobby, politics are boring up there. They watch ours for amusement.

48 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:32:48am

#45 Boy Hits Car:

Can anyone tell me why Canadians are so obsessed with what Americans do and don't do?

The short answer, to quote [spit!] Trudeau:

Living next to the United States is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even- tempered is the beast, one is affected by every twitch and grunt
49 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:32:53am
50 andthenblammo!  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:33:09am

And may I point out that the jinx of the dreaded post #17 still seems to be in effect?

51 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:34:45am

Oh, and spot? Don't soil Charles carpet anymore.

52 KirkPete  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:38:12am

OG (Off Geographically)

Anybody seen any stories in the States linking arrests in Britain to the recent terror alert for financial institutions?

SUSPECTS 'PLOTTED ATTACK'
Eight men arrested in an anti-terrorism swoop have been charged with attempting to launch a radioactive or chemical attack.
The suspects were also charged with conspiracy to commit murder and some accused of plotting a terror campaign against major financial landmarks in the USA.
Dhiren Bharot, from Willesden, north-west London, is charged with possession of plans for the stock exchange and Citigroup bank building in New York, IMF headquarters in Washington DC.Along with Nadeem Tarmohammed, again from Willesden, he was also accused of owning documents relating to an alleged attack on the Prudential Building in New Jersey.

From SkyNews via Command Post via Michelle Malkin

53 Boy Hits Car  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:38:49am
politics are boring up there. They watch ours for amusement.

andthenblamo:

But that doesn't explain why they always think they know what is best for the US and that their way is the correct way. Why do they think Americans are completely ignorant of history, foreign cultures, and social issues, especially since the US is the most cultural diverse country in the world.

54 andthenblammo!  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:39:42am

#49 Kevin P.

For laughs, I looked at ol' Gwynn's bio. He's just packed full o' nuance! Or some other substance.

55 Mentat  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:40:08am

Fifth column. Quislings. Intern. Deport.

56 Tango  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:41:52am

Any reassurances from the PM that would-be travelers to Canada needn't worry?

57 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:43:22am

Kevin P:

Disregard anything that twta has to say. He spoke at my high school and I got kicked out for (mildly) disagreeing with him.

58 Mentat  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:44:35am

Andrew Whitehead over at Anti-Cair has coined a new word which should come in handy for LGFers. The word is "Ameriphobic". I kind of like it. Next time you are talking to a Muslim who expresses distaste for the US while at the same enjoying its fruits, you can say, with great relish, "You are so Ameriphobic!"

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

59 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:46:16am

BTW, "twta" is an obscure western Canadian spelling for "twat".

;-)

60 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:50:03am

Canadian attacks Olympics


The order to step up security was launched after the 31-year-old, dressed in a tutu and clown shoes, mounted one of the boards and plunged into the water during the competition Monday evening.


He stayed in the pool for several minutes before officials at the Aquatic Centre realised he was not supposed to be there and pulled him out.

61 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:51:12am

OT...

I checked Amazons reveiws of the Swift Boats book and had a flying pig moment. There are 20 customer reveiws (less then I thought there'd be) and ALL of them positive. Whenever a conservative commentator puts a book out, the first day he/she gets wacked in the reveiws by people who obviously have not read it.

Perhaps the LLL's are laying low while they work out a strategy.

So far they are primarily saying that vets didn't serve with Kerry (false) and therefore can't comment on his behavior (very false). That and an evil Republican help found the 527 group (what was that Mr Soro's?).

NRO reports that O'Neill pre-restrained the DNC by faxing a long letter with documentation to TV stations two days before the Dems tried to censor the ad. I really like these guys. They are smart, honest, and very brave. And they are not backing down.

By three relatives who served in Vietnam thank you.

62 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:51:57am

#60 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

I understand he was awarded 9's accross the board, except for the freakin' Russian judge, who gave him a 5.8. sheesh.

;-)

63 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:53:49am

#60 Ed Moran

I hope that he has earned a full cavity search by the Greek authorities. By the way he was dressed, I can understand why they thought he could be a participant in the sync diving competition.

64 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:54:29am

Cam


I'm just glad Greek security was so on the ball. No way al Qaeda will ever be able to pull on over on those guys.

He stayed in the pool for several minutes before officials at the Aquatic Centre realised he was not supposed to be there and pulled him out.
65 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:54:49am

"..he saw a lot of Canadians there..."

How could he tell? I couldn't tell a so-called 'Canadian' from an American or a European. In fact, Canada and America are made up of so many races that it would be very hard on any given day to say where any particular 'man-on-the-street' came from.

If he means he saw a lot of people who looked like they might be from Pakistan by way of Canada; or Iraq or Iran or Saudia Arabia via Canada, meaning they had Arabic or Persian or Pakistani characteristics, then maybe he did see some 'Canadians'.

More Taqiyya to confuse the infidel and put fear into his heart.

We're on our second week of the Olympics and no attacks so far; we've alrealdy had the Democratic convention and no attacks. Let's just see.

I say if nothing happens during the Republican convention we will probably get to the elections without an attack and if we get through them safe and sound, then I think we can put most of what these "Jihadis" say, as Mary Habecek calls them down to the only ammunition they have left.

I think Al-Qaeda is a toothless old lion. Aside from trekking to the Iraq flypaper to fight the 'infidel', the jihadis have no strength left.

66 OldWrightWinger  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 7:55:27am

#17 Spot

Of course you can live a stress free life. You and your socialist idealogues are parasites. You live free because the US of F...g A guarantees your security and survival with the blood of our own. Those few that give all so freeloaders like you don't have to do the heavy lifting. You remind of the reform minded Jews who want to shake hands with the poor misunderstood Arabs. Netanyahu was absolutely correct about the hand-wringing, kvetching, and self-loathing these intellectual Jews have for their countrymen.

BTW...When everyone is out to getcha...paranoia is just good thinking!

LotsaLuv

67 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:00:04am

#64 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

LOL!

68 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:01:10am

#54 andthenblammo!

I know what you're saying. I am searching google now with his name. He was the asshat who said the Israelis would start expelling the palis from the West Bank once the Iraq war started.

Link.

69 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:02:52am
I understand he was awarded 9's accross the board, except for the freakin' Russian judge, who gave him a 5.8. sheesh.

Oh, get over it already.

70 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:02:58am

#57 Cam

Good for you! lol

71 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:06:53am

#60 Ed Moran: Abu (I can't keep up with your nics)

That guy in the tutu and clown shoes who jumped into the pool is sooo "Canadian". You can just see Jim Carrey doing that in one of his dumb or dumber movies.

Canadians don't mind laughing at themselves.

That "stunt" is the first laugh I've had in these BOOORRRING Olympics so far.

72 Cadpig  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:07:30am

Dirk:
Uhhh I don't think that was what he was referring too... it's an old joke, the idea that the soviets would only give good marks to soviet competitors...

73 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:10:30am
That "stunt" is the first laugh I've had in these BOOORRRING Olympics so far.

I don't know. The USA men's basketball team has been good for a few laughs so far.

74 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:14:16am

#66 Old Wright Winger:

F.U. and leave Spot alone!

75 Killraven  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:14:44am

Hey, the US Basketball team still has a chance!

But yeah, if they continue to hose out, we should just send the Harlem Globetrotters next year.

That would rule.

76 Smitty  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:17:33am

Only in Canada can a suspected terrorist sue the government to get a passport. Unfuckingbelieveable.

77 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:18:21am

Does the U.S. Men's basketball team still have a chance for a medal? I mean, exactly how important is the round-robin part of it anyway?

78 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:18:26am

OT; another LLL'er is arrested for helping terrorist.

The Poster Girl of the Israeli Left

79 Innismir  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:18:39am

Ray:
I saw the crimth1nc guy at a computer security convention I go to, the man creeps me out. The funny story was I think he (and I as well) was expecting a lot of sympathtic voices at the talk, but he had to be escorted out by security as people were ready to pummel him.

The best line was from the crowd: "So, there is no room for dissenting opinions in your uptopia?"

Kinda sums up a lot of LLL right there.

(PS: Charles, and anyone else for that matter: If you notice your site being attacked by these nuts, I will gladly volunteer my services to answer questions, assist in defense and, if something happened, autopsy and cleanup. I do this for a living. Drop me a line through e-mail)

80 H-town  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:21:02am

#17 Asshat AKA Spot

..Lower stress levels, not worrying all the time that people are out to get you, no more paranoia

That must be due to the huge amounts of pot that is grown/sold/smoked in Canada?

81 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:22:30am

OT - But thank you, thank you, thank you for making me LMAO -

Israelis to barbecue outside hunger strikers' cells

JERUSALEM -- Israel declared psychological war on hunger-striking Palestinian prisoners today, saying it would barbecue meat outside their cells to try to break their spirit.

The 1,700 inmates, seen by Palestinians as symbols of resistance to Israeli occupation, want wardens to stop strip searches, allow more frequent family visits, improve sanitary conditions and install public telephones, supporters said.

Please do more stuff like this :-) :-)

82 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:23:30am

I never cease to be sickened by the ineptitude, cowardice and pathetic pandering of the government of Canaduh. Pfft!

BTW spot from one Canadian to another--FOAD, eh.

83 Studsup  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:23:32am

#32 Rob -- "If you want a seat at the table -- any table in the house, let alone the top table -- you have to pay the cover charge. "

They couldn't afford the cover charge let alone the cost of the meal.

84 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:24:17am

#80 H-town:

{cough, cough}

Whatever do you mean?

;-)

85 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:25:43am

#82 Gabba Gabba Hey:

from one Canadian to another--FOAD, eh.

LMAO!

86 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:26:23am
Hey, the US Basketball team still has a chance!

Call me unpatriotic if you wish, but I hope the 'Dream Team' doesn't even qualify for a medal (which they probably won't anyway). Let the team with the best grasp of the fundamentals of basketball take home the gold.

87 H-Town  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:27:42am

#84

Not that there is anything wrong with that!

And by the way, are you gonna keep talkin' or you gonna pass that thing over here?

88 greenmiler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:28:36am
it. People don't hate you they just find you unbelievably paranoid and just a tad ignorant of other cultures

Spot---'ignorantly' blissful if he thinks nobody in the world hates Canada

89 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:28:38am

Only thing about the USA losing in b-ball is that they lost to Puerto Rico, which isn't a country.


Every few years they have elections in Puerto Rico, where they offer 3 choices: statehood, independence or status quo. A National geographic story I read last year quoted a local who said the bars were always closed, because the Puerto Ricans hate the US, and if they voted with their hearts they'd vote for independence.

They'll never vote for statehood, because, besides hating the US, they'd have to pay taxes.


But they'll never vote for independence either, because over half the population of Puerto Rico receives assistance courtesy of the US taxpayers. Not PC, but thats sounds awfully close to the definition of parasitism.

And next up is Greece, and I get the feeling they hate us almost as much as the French do.


But if USA men's b-ball was losing to Micronesia or Australia or The Czech Republic or Lithuania, well, I'd be ok with it.

90 justdanny  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:29:50am
His contention that graduates of the Afghan camps are living normal lives in Canada comes as U.S. officials are concerned that al-Qaeda might try to use Canada as a staging ground for a terrorist strike some time before November’s presidential election

FUCKING DUH !!!

Canada is not only the enemy of every US citizen, they are unafraid to let us know it. When the attacks are launched from Canuckistan, their government will forbid any US retaliation and then will negotiate on behalf of the jihadis. Mark my words.

Fuck you Canada

91 greenmiler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:31:12am
spot 8/17/2004 08:58AM PST


Close the border". No, surely you don't mean that. Come to Canada guys and see what a free-thinking, open-minded, fair and socially-aware society can do for your health and peace of mind.


free-thinking open minded from a country that bans foxnews and allows aljazeera( aljagism)

92 OldWrightWinger  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:31:45am

Hey ForeignDevil

FU? that's it? That's all you have? Can't you muster up something about my relatives, my spouse, my children. No prejorative terms concerning my in-laws, siblings, or grandparents.

Just an F.U!

Peace Be With U

93 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:32:48am

#85 Cam

Zut! I should've added "please" in keeping with the notion that Canadians are always polite and nice.

94 Talking Stick  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:33:15am

As a Canadian border resident, I find no reason to bash Canadians. My greater concern is our lack of will to tackle this thing head on and secure our borders. I guess the first step requires this administration to clearly and loudly identify the enemy. Perhaps we should also consider letting the military adjudicate border issues and not the civil courts. I can already hear the caterwauling.

95 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:34:01am

#87 H-Town:

LOL. I know, I know, it's not a microphone - I just didn't realize I was bogarting it...

;-)

96 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:35:58am
Only thing about the USA losing in b-ball is that they lost to Puerto Rico, which isn't a country...

Yeah, well neither is Canada and they beat us in hockey at the 2002 Winter Games.

/Braces for a barrage of tooks, back bacon, and Celine Dion albums

97 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:36:53am

#93 Gabba Gabba Hey:

Are you still in Onterrible?

I've got to fly there for a freaking wedding reception on the Labour Day w/e. $500.00 for two days.

98 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:39:45am

#96 Dirk Diggler:

/Braces for a barrage of tooks, back bacon, and Celine Dion albums

Hell, I'll chuck Celine Dion atcha, if you all will only keep her.

Best Celine Dion slag (from This Hour Has 22 Minutes)

"Celine Dion had her baby this week. Sources say she is beautiful and looks like both her parents. It is unclear at this point which source is true."

;-)

99 greenmiler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:41:11am

The Islamaborg will try to assimilate every country; the PC ones will go easy

100 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:44:13am

#17 spotted:

Sorry for taking so long getting back to you -I was away aat lunch. Fuck off and die. A "fellow" Canuckistanan.

101 Grim reaper  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:47:36am

Spot, I must confess. I thought at first your comments were tongue in cheek, and you were on your way to a great punch line. How disappointing! As a Canadian, this is the kind of smugness that makes me vomit.
OldWrightWinger was correct, we are parasites, letting the yanks do all the dirty work in the world, while we benefit from the peace and security it has provided us.
Judging by the way you wrote "realisation", the Brit way, do you also say "sheduel" for schedule, and work for the CBC?? Sorry, I forgot to mention the world of academia.
I could say "peace" like you, which is so disingenuous and cheap.
May your Allah have mercy upon your sick heart.

102 NDMNTX  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:48:12am

Maybe Canuckistan should start cooking up a bunch of back bacon for all of the jihadists living there now.

103 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:49:02am

#97 Cam

"Onterrible" -- good one! Ain't it the truth though? I won't be back to the until next month. $500.00 for two days? Ouch! Man, I hope it's a REALLY good wedding.

104 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:49:17am

#101 Grim reaper:

I thought spot was kidding at first. Still waiting for him to return with the punch line.

105 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:51:16am

#103 Gabba Gabba Hey:

I keep trying to get disinvited to these things but it ain't working. Apparently my strategy of getting obnoxiously drunk and punching out an uncle is not working.

106 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 8:56:55am

#92 Old Wright Winger:

What relatives? Who'd marry you?

107 Kevin P.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:00:13am

Sorry...OT again, but good!

A Mission to Cambodia

by Kevin Whitelaw | May 08 '00

Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver weapons to anticommunist forces. When he returned last week, the mission was official, but dicey nonetheless. At the request of the United Nations, Kerry is trying to broker a compromise on how to try leaders of the former Khmer Rouge regime, whose late 1970s reign of terror claimed the lives of some 1.7 million Cambodians.
...

I wonder why Kerry won't "set the record straight"?

LMFAO!

108 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:00:50am

#106 foreign devil

I'm sure he has a sister or brother that might marry him???

109 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:08:49am

#108 BIG:

Then all his offspring would be id'jits...oh wait! They are...Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Maybe they're Can'juns. ;)

110 Saeel  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:10:04am

The worst part about having these enemies within is the fact that they have so many apologists and enablers.

ACLU misleads feds to get cash - Promises to use hiring 'black list' but then refuses to actually check names

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero noted the agreement said an organization could not "knowingly" hire a person on the lists, so he simply decided intentionally not to refer to them.

Leo cites comments Romero made on National Public Radio: "I've printed them out [but] I've never consulted them."

Nadine Strossen, president of the ACLU board, said that the "knowingly" gambit was "a very reasonable, certainly clever interpretation."

Writes Leo: "The Romero excuse will now take its place alongside 'It depends on what the meaning of the word is is' and 'He was never alone in a hotel with her.'"

111 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:10:50am

#109 foreign devil:

Interestingly enough, your Cajuns are descended from french-speaking Canadians, a group called the Acadians, who were expelled from eastern Canada.

112 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:13:21am

OT to anyone:

Did Gordon manage to get himself banned? I haven't seen him in a while.

113 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:14:05am

OT - I don't know if anyone's brought this up yet, but last week (9 Aug) the Saudis were accusing Israel of manufacturing anti-Semitism in foreign countries so that Jews would return to Israel and steal land from the poor little defenceless Palestinians.

114 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:14:53am

#111 Cam:

Say it isn't so! Does that mean that James "Ragin Cajun" Carville might...(gasp!)...be related!
Aaaarrrgggh!

115 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:16:26am

#111 Cam

The Canadians *expelled* someone?

They musta been worse than Islamofascists.

:)

116 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:17:55am

#114 foreign devil:

The only thing that yahoo is related to s Gollum, from LOTR.

;-)

117 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:17:59am

Otee -

13 ###holes in Blackburn, Lancashire

MORE TERROR ARRESTS IN BRITAIN

Eight men arrested in anti-terror raids have been charged with conspiring to commit murder and launch radioactive or chemical attacks.

One of them was also charged with having plans which could have been used as the basis for a terror attack on the New York Stock Exchange, the IMF in Washington and Citigroup in New York.

The men were among 13 arrested on August 3 in a series of raids by the Anti-Terrorist Branch and MI5 in London, Bushey in Hertfordshire, Luton in Bedfordshire, and Blackburn in Lancashire.

118 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:18:23am

#112 Cam

There was talk. I seem to remember he was being rather offensive, so it wouldn't surprise me.

OTOH, he might just have got fed up with his lack of results. Most of the responses to his blatherings were bland and unexciting.

119 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:18:58am

#115 Paranoid Brit:

They were french-speakers who refused to pledge their allegiance to the British king after the french were kicked out.

120 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:20:28am

Otee -

13 ###holes in Blackburn, Lancashire

MORE TERROR ARRESTS IN BRITAIN

Eight men arrested in anti-terror raids have been charged with conspiring to commit murder and launch radioactive or chemical attacks.

One of them was also charged with having plans which could have been used as the basis for a terror attack on the New York Stock Exchange, the IMF in Washington and Citigroup in New York.

The men were among 13 arrested on August 3 in a series of raids by the Anti-Terrorist Branch and MI5 in London, Bushey in Hertfordshire, Luton in Bedfordshire, and Blackburn in Lancashire.

121 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:21:16am

Sorry for the DeePee - not sure how that happened...

122 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:22:31am

#119 Cam

Well, I had known about the Acadians, but aside from my cheap comment, I hadn't known that was reason why.

If they'd hung around a bit longer, they could have just moved to Quebec, eh?

123 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:24:14am

Sorry, on reading the article, I realized that these are NOT new arrests - just charges brought against people who were arrested on August 3 - InstaPundit's headline lead me astray...

124 Elcid  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:24:44am

48 Cam

The short answer, to quote [spit!] Trudeau:

"Living next to the United States is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant."

At least he did say "elephant", he could have said donkerry...:).

Speaking of what has become of 'Margaret', formerly of the Trudeau clan?

125 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:27:34am

If they'd [the Cajuns] hung around a bit longer, they could have just moved to Quebec, eh?

Yes, but then there would have been no Cajun food - no Crawfish Etoufee - no Red Beans and Rice - no Popeyes - it would be like that episode of Star Trek/TOS when Dr. McCoy goes through the time portal and changes the history of the Earth completely...

126 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:27:43am

Paranoid Brit:

We weren't a country when that happened. My history is a lot fuzzy now but back in the day--the days of early Canada, the Brits and French were fighting and one of them came and cleaned out all the people in eastern Canada (though it wasn't "Canada" then). Okay?

So this bunch came along and said to all these people "You can't live here anymore" and they all had to pack up and move; most of them to Louisiana. I guess it was the Brits did it and the people were French.

They moved to Louisiana and voila, as they say, bob's your uncle. Cajuns!

Short history of Canada.

Oh then after that, some American General named Adams or Grant or something, tried to capture Niagara Falls and got his ass kicked by the not then Canadians. They were because they'd been living there for several hundred years but they didn't have allegiance to either France of Britain so they were Canadians but not in name.

Long story short--these Canadian farmers, some Indians and what have you continued on down to Washington and BURNT YOUR BLOODY WHITE HOUSE!

Until Pearl Harbor, it was the first and only time there'd been a successful attack on US soil. Then came 9-11.

But we did get to capture the castle!

How'm I doing!

Any historians in the crowd? Are you wailing yet?

127 Gruen  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:28:23am

Why do you people respond to these trolls? This idiot just parachuted in, left his little comments and then fucked off.

Just ignore them.

128 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:29:20am

Paranoid Brit:

LOL.

The area of Louisiana, now known as Acadiana, comprised about 22 parishes. It forms a triangle from Lake Charles at the west to Grand Isle at the east, with Pointe Coupee at the apex. The Acadians were the largest group to settle in this area from 1765 to 1785. Although other nationalities were there, the Acadian culture was dominant in many places. When bits and pieces of these other cultures were added to the Acadians, a variation of the Acadian culture was created. These people, and this culture, became known as Cajun ... a derivation of the word Acadian

El cid:

I believe she spends most of her time raising money for a foundation that raises money for avalanche safety - one of her sons was swept to his death by one. No word on whether or not the RCMP is still scoring weed for her.

;-)

129 IowaGirl  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:32:11am

Does anyone remember this Canadian?

Also seen here.

130 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:34:29am

#126 foreign devil:

The battle you are referring to is the Battle of Queenston Heights, not Niagara Falls. The American general to whom you refer was U.S. Major General Stephen Van Rensselaer. And sad to say, most of the fighting was done by British regulars and our Native allies. The York Regiment was at Queenston heights, but it is doubtful that they had much of an impact.

131 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:34:50am

#126 foreign devil

WTF! *MY* White House? :)

I thought it was my lot who were the arsonists, coming up thru' New Orleans or something. But then, back then, you were us too.

I heard also that before burning the place, the troops ate the dinner that the staff had prepared for a banquet.

They do say that a marauding bunch of bloodthirsty arsonists marches on its stomach.

132 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:36:01am

Cam and El Cid;

I believe Margaret Kemper (aka Trudeau) most recently made the news (within the last week, coincidentally) for DUI in the National Capitol Region (aka Ottawa)

133 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:36:39am

Iowa Girl -

That gut looks awfully familiar.

And why is the Swedish guy spanking him? I thought spanking was illegal in Sweden.

134 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:37:09am

#105 Cam

Maybe you should try goosing the bride :p

135 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:38:15am

Cam, et al.

Now, I presume that Acadia National Park, Maine, is in some way connected.

136 Keelie  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:38:40am

#49 - Kevin P

Dyer must have lost his brain at the same time as Eric Margolis.

Hope this "Sudden Insanity Syndrome" isn't catching.

137 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:39:36am

Foreign devil:

Here is a pretty good depiciton of the battle. You can damn near spit accross the Niagara River to Lewiston there.

138 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:40:44am

Paranoid Brit

The Battle of New Orleans was a loss for the Brits which occurred after the negotiation of the Treaty of Ghent (?). If I recollect, the marauding Brits were on thier way to Orlando on EasyJet but were so drunk that, on a stop-over at Dulles, they got off the plane and headed off for downtown D.C. with inflammatory consequences. Can anyone help me out?

139 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:40:49am

#130 Cam:

Okay, okay! If you wanna be toffee-nosed about it: "The Battle of Queenston Heights".

But we did burn their White House, didn't we?

Of course, international readers...NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THAT ANYMORE!!

Ask an American who burnt the White House almost to the ground in 17.. something or other? They won't answer or won't talk about it but WE DID, WE DID.

ninner, NINNER, NINNER! Gotcha!

Sorry Paranoid Brit, I forgot I was talking to a Paranoid Brit and my fingers got carried away in my excitement and I used the pronoun "them" instead of "their". 'pologies!

140 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:41:21am

#134 Gabba Gabba Hey:

LOL. Tried that too.

#135 Paranoid Brit:

It is indeed.

141 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:42:14am

One more post:

The awful song "Canadian Driftwood" by the Band (I think) was about the expelled Canajuns.

142 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:43:39am

So getting back on topic, tell me again why we don't throw falafel laced with smallpox into the mosque at najaf?

143 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:43:56am

#139 foreign devil:

LOL. I've never heard the expression "toffee-nosed" but I get the drift. I'm gonna have to use that.

And yes, it was a mixed force of regulars and militia that torched the WH- I believe it was in 1813.

And yes, they ewre drunker than a fiddler's fart at the time.

144 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:45:15am

foreign devil,

The War of 1812. Yeah, I remember. Revenge, a dish best served cold. If I become president the first thing on my agenda is putting some real acid in the acid rain. That's just the warm up. MUHAHAHAH! Mu-MUHAHAHAHA!

145 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:45:53am

#141 Son of a Pig and Monkey:

Hey, Hey! Watch it! "The Band" any version, is my favourite group! Still! "Cripple Creek" is my rallying song!

146 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:46:20am

Can someone say "Plains of Abraham"?
*ahem* :)

147 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:47:54am

#146 Paranoid Brit:

LOL. Sure, like beating the French is any great accomplishment...

;-)

148 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:49:16am

#146 Paranoid Brit

Dude, you saved (most of) them from speaking French. They should send you a Plains of Abraham card every year.

149 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:49:21am

#147 Cam

Touche :P

150 dennisw-matamoros  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:49:33am

Canada cares not a whit about hosting Jihadi scum because they know they will use Canada as a base to attack America.

Canada is well along on the dhimmi track so immune from attack.

151 John B  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:49:48am

Re: #90 Danny

Charles - anybody - please get this guy some lithium.

152 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:49:59am

Topically enough, Arcadia is (was) a province in the Pelopenese, which came to be known mythologicaly as a "paradise of pastoral simplicity", except for the sheep-droppings. A well-known painting by Poussion(?) is called "Et in Arcadia ego"

153 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:52:02am

So if AQ is pissed at Spain because of an event from what, 600 years ago (my pre-1900 European knowledge is limited), perhaps there are a bunch or redneck terrorists (or leftwing terrorists) sitting around somewhere saying "we'll we waited long enough to avenge the Brits burning the Holy City of Washington (7th most sacred site in the redneck world). Let's go Jihad on them!"

154 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:54:00am

#150 dennisw-matamoros:

I disagree. We are as much at risk as you, because the jihadists don't just hate the U.S., they hate Western Civilization as it exists. Truth be told, we could paradoxically be more at risk now, as the U.S. has tightened their borders, while Canada has not, making it theoretically an easier target to reach.

155 RIP Ford  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:54:58am

#147 Cam

Dude, you saved (most of) them from speaking French. They should send you a Plains of Abraham card every year.

Hey, even Mexico has beaten the French.
Cinco de Mayo

They were led by a Texan, of course. :P

156 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:55:15am

#144 Beagle:

The rest of the world doesn't realize that we've had our differences too. Yes we burned the White House and no--better not to talk about it.

We still--until those bastards flew into the WTC--had the world's longest undefended border with few or NO PROBLEMS.

This whole war has driven a wedge between the Canadians and Americans as surely as anything else in two hundred years. TWO HUNDRED YEARS we've been friends and overcome most obstacles even a couple of World Wars through diplomacy. Now we're at each other's throats.

I hate these Islamist rat bastards and anything I can do, as long as I have a breath, I will do to bring them down. I'm physically disabled now but I can still read and type and I've spent a lot of time doing that since 9-11 under TERRIBLE CONDITIONS!

All joking aside, for the first two years I was posting on this blog I was using an interactive webtv system--didn't have a computer. But it served.

Now, of course, I'm loaded for bear! Extreme High Speed and everything--all the bells and whistles. Of course, I still have to stay awake and type the stuff.

157 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:55:47am

cam #154

Yes -think about Saudi Arabia. They're pretty close to the cause, but haven't necesarily been spared the AQ rod -at least the dhimmis living there

158 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:57:56am

#140 Cam

Could always try punching the bride instead of an uncle or giving her a good cross-check. Make sure no referees are in the room first.

*ducks head* -- only joking, not advocating violence against women

159 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:58:54am

#155 RIP Ford:

LOL. Ah, the French "military". If they weren't around to mock, who the hell would we make fun of?

160 sgt tom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 9:59:37am

139 fd
the british burned the white house.
except it wasn't called the white house, until after being reconsctructed... and painted white to mask the burn marks... benefits of a white house tour!

161 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:01:00am

Dave the...

7th most sacred site in the redneck world

Which begs the question, what are the top six?
1. Nashville, TN (music, duh)
2. Daytona Beach, FL (the 500, RIP Dale)
3. Tuscaloosa, AL (Bear, we luved yoo!)
4. New Orleans, LA (daymn, thet wuz a guy?!!)
5. Tupelo, MS (Elvis, we luved yoo! It would rank higher, but have you been to Tupelo?)
6. Padre Island, TX and Pensacola, FL beaches (cuz a redneck needs to redden his neck somwharz)

162 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:01:45am

#158 Gabba Gabba Hey:

I will take under consideration, but my now-sister-in-law is a pretty tough broad. She'd probably shit-kick me.

I am considering setting fire to the head table, though.

163 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:03:15am

#159 Cam

Actually Islamic armies make the French look like fierce warriors. They have been on an almost 400 year losing streak against western armies. They have won a couple of battles, but have lost all the wars.

164 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:03:47am

#112 Cam

I was blissfully unaware of his absence

#126 foreign devil

BURNT YOUR BLOODY WHITE HOUSE!

Don't worry, revenge is a dish best served cold.

Actually, Ottowa is so frickin' cold, we might not get around to returning the favor.

165 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:04:19am

Throw Atlanta, GA in there somewhere, cuz yew know SHERMAN BURNED ATLANTA!!!

166 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:04:29am

#160 sgt tom:

"...except it wasn't called the white house, until after being reconsctructed... and painted white to mask the burn marks..."

So...be grateful! Canadians gave you THE WHITE HOUSE as opposed to The BROWN HOUSE or DARK BLUE HOUSE.

If we hadn't burned it down you'd never have thought of painting it...now would you? Be honest?

And why White? Because they used MILK paint in those days because there weren't too many colors.

Anyway, what's a little bonfire between friends, eh?

167 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:04:33am

And the White House burning brought us the famous tale of First Lady Dolly Madison saving the portrait of George Washington.

168 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:07:25am

The Cajuns were generally an ok people, but I had a hard time meeting women when I was there.


That, and some of the more isolated towns, like Delcambre (DELL-cum), where everyone had the same last name. (Delcambre, of all things).


Not all the Cajuns are French. New Iberia is a town of, I'd guess, 20,000 or 30,00o people total, and almost all of them are decended from the Rodrigue, Domingue, Viator (Espa&ntildeol: Villa Toro), Romero or Segura families, given a land grant by the King of Spain when Luisiana was on loan to the Borbon royal family from the Bourbon family.


I've been drunk in Acadiana.

169 Isobella  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:10:58am

OT

I hope this backfires and causes the Swiftboat Vets story to be pushed into the MSM...

MoveOn PAC accuses Bush of allowing false advertising

170 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:11:28am

Since we've evolved into a SW Louisiana thread...

I've always enjoyed Zydeco music (which if I understand my music history right is the black version of Cajun, more of a rock/blues beat then a waltz).

171 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:11:55am

#164 papijoe:

Don't worry, revenge is a dish best served cold.

It's already done. U.S. Forces burned York (now Toronto) in retaliation. It was the capital at the time.

So we's even-steven.

;-)

172 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:12:56am

#166 foreign devil

So...be grateful! Canadians gave you THE WHITE HOUSE as opposed to The BROWN HOUSE or DARK BLUE HOUSE.

It's too bad they didn't use masonry...then it woulda been a...BRICK...HOUSE!

OW!

Mighty...mighty...

173 RIP Ford  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:14:17am

#159 Cam

Ah, the French "military". If they weren't around to mock, who the hell would we make fun of?

The Angolans? :P

174 Andrew B.  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:14:25am

Speaking of "French Military Victories"...

get a load of this...

Google search of..."French Military Victories"

Andrew B.

War Metaphor of the Day: Portrait of how the anti-war protestors will be remembered by the Iraqi people

(The wrong side of history)

175 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:15:10am

OT: But just saw on WND that the EU/UN are going to build a FENCE. The fence is being built to separate recently added EU members Poland and Hungary from their new neighbors – Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. The EU said the fence is necessary to "prevent the free movement of migrants seeking to enter" EU territory.

So, it is ok for the EU but God forbit that Israel be able to protect itself from splodeydopes who like to kill women and children just because they are Jewish.

Will the hypocrisy ever end?

176 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:15:18am

#172 papijoe:

IIRC, the White House was originally built of sandstone blocks. It has, however, been a looong time since I took the toor, so I may be talking out my ass.

177 Tupsox  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:15:54am

OT, somewhat: Good Daniel Pipes article today on naming the enemy:

'Terrorism' battle is really fight against Islamism

178 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:16:09am

#171 Cam

Well...uh...let that be a lesson to ya!

179 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:16:10am

#169

A) This won't fly (Bush is keeping his distance here)

B) The Swift Boat guys are smart and well prepared. They have documentation to back up their claims.

C) Yes, it will help our side.


D) OT, I'm listening to Michael Medvid right now. He's talking about the protestors/domestic terrorists plans for NYC.

Lefty wacko Tom Hayden says they are bringing 6 million to NY for their Hate-Bush protests. I'm sure that's highly optimistic, but you get the point.

180 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:16:32am

I have since misplaced it, but I had a pretty good Beausoleil casette in my car called "La Dans de la Vie" (IIRC), that had cool songs, including an instrumental piece titled "L'Ouragon", which I liked simply because of the title.

181 Tupsox  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:16:59am

#173 RIP Ford

:)

182 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:17:03am

#171 Cam

Um, was that after the Blue Jays won the World Series?

183 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:17:22am

#176 Cam:

"toor"?! What kind of spelling is that, you half wit? You make me ashamed to be a fellow Canadian...

184 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:18:41am

# 77 Cam

(Tho everyone's probably forgot the question by now!)

Team USA must finish 4th or higher in their group of 6 to qualify for the quarterfinals.

185 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:18:50am

foreign devil,

Seriously, I know that many Canadians (especially out West) don't agree with the government's dhimmi approach. The French speakers are hopeless. The big cities are pretty bad for the most part.

If Canadian Muslims cross the border and pull off massive terror attacks, especially if the Canadian government knew about the perps, that will seriously strain relations. Throw in some legal manuvering to save them from the death penalty and there might be some righteous anger down here. Not that I'm a big fan of the death penalty, but mass killing is not a bad time to impose it.

If the Canadian government is too obstructionist there might be real tensions, a la Canadian Bacon (Michael Moore's most factually accurate movie).

186 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:19:57am

#180 Ed Moran:

My personal fav (though it's everyone's) is "La Jolie Blonde"!

BTW: US Basketball--they're up one right now.

187 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:19:59am

I've been drunk in Canada.

188 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:20:06am

#184 Buckaroo:

Who else is in their group? (I'm not google-illeterate, just lazy)

189 reason  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:21:06am

Blame Canada.

Invade Canada.

The "new" Afghanistan

190 Ostracized  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:21:17am

GAR!

I am a Canadian. These low-lifes are living off of tax-payer money, using our healthcare system, and all the while planning Jihad against us.

They should be sent on a raft back to Afghanistan with no food or water.

191 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:21:38am

Primarily a question for the Canucks ...

Reading Steyn as I do, using him as my ultimate authority on the Canuckian Political Pulse, I wonder just what it *would* take for the country to take credible steps to limit the progressive islamification.

For example.

Truck bomb at the base of the CN Tower?
Sarin attack in Quebec? (no clapping, please)
20 acres of weed ruined in Kelowna?

I guess I'd like some idea of just what it would take for the average *vocal* Canadian to realize that the developed world is all in this together. (Assuming that you agree that we *are* all in this together).

192 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:22:37am

#186 foreign devil

The Flatlanders did a great cover of that song.

193 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:23:22am

# 188 Cam

Well, Greece (obviously, they're playing them this moment), PR (who beat them), the Aussies, Lithuania, and mighty Angola!

194 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:23:27am

#189 reason:

Huh?

#191 Paranoid Brit:

20 acres of weed ruined in Kelowna?

Dude, I already told you - that's not my bag! I was just holding it for a buddy.

;-)

195 Isobella  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:23:47am

179 Dave the...

I told a Vietnamese friend of mine at work yesterday that I was voting for Bush. Since he was surprised - I told him all I knew about Kerry's so-called "Vietnam service". He said that his Dad fought on our side during the war and that after the US left - his Dad had to spend 6 YEARS in a 're-education' camp. I told him he could thank Kerry for that. It seemed to have made a real impact...

196 reason  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:25:49am

I can totally see why they would choose to live in Canada and invade the USA. If they are hurt in the process of trying to kill our citizens they can get immunity and free medical care.

"Hell of a thing, killin' a man. You take away all he has, and all he'll ever get."

197 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:26:00am

#191 Paranoid Brit:

But seriously, I should point out that Canadian Forces are fighting and dying in Afghanistan, and were among the first to volunteer in that coalition. True, we are not in Iraq, and I have my own feelings about that, but it cannot be denied that our boys are serving with distinction in Afghanistan.

198 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:26:30am

Beagle:

Please believe me when I say that we are WATCHING FOR THEM!!! BIG TIME!

So far they haven't come across the border and they're NOT GONNA.

Canadians are sooo pissed with Martin right now that if there's ANY KIND OF SCREW-UP there will be another election so fast his head will snap off and Harper will tighten up the border so that my relatives won't be able to cross. Either way!

A lot of the "new Canadians" voted for Martin or he wouldn't be sitting there. I voted for Harper and so did a lot of others.

We have a coalition government now and if Martin missteps or we don't like the cologne he's wearing his ass is grass.

I'm not kidding!

199 dennisw-matamoros  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:26:47am

Cam

Why on earth would your Jihadis attack you? Because of your troops in Iraq? LOL! (You don't have any)

Because they are unhappy with you rubber stamping their sharia courts in Canada?

Because you let in that Khadr family of Afghan JIhadists?

[Link: 66.102.7.104...]

No ... Canadian Jihadis will attack America. You are their sanctuary

200 EW1(SG)  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:27:06am

#156 foreign devil:

TWO HUNDRED YEARS we've been friends and overcome most obstacles even a couple of World Wars through diplomacy.

I think you are forgetting that little pig incident in 1859 known as the Pig War.

201 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:27:15am

"Reason"


Before you get too snippy with our neighbors from "The Great White North", remember every bit of true satanism like Bryan Adams is balanced by good music like Rush.


Don't forget that Lorne Greene, star of films like Earthquake! and TV shows like Battlestar Galactica was from Canada.


As is Leslie Nielsen, star of Police Squad! and Airplane! although I've never understood the Canadian habit of naming boys "Leslie". Almost as bad as the English naming boys "Hilary".

202 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:27:43am

#193 Buckaroo:

Thanks bro. I have yet to watch one minute of this Olympics.

Although I had a pretty good view of them out on the water last week.

;-)

203 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:27:44am

#190 Afghanistan

They should be sent on a raft back to Afghanistan with no food or water.

One problem with that proposition - Afghanistan is landlocked.

Otherwise, I rather like the idea.

204 Promethea  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:28:00am

#156 foreign devil . . .

This whole war has driven a wedge between the Canadians and Americans as surely as anything else in two hundred years. TWO HUNDRED YEARS we've been friends and overcome most obstacles even a couple of World Wars through diplomacy. Now we're at each other's throats.

Don't we fight over fish alot?

#155 RIP Ford . . .

Hi! How's it going?

205 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:28:53am

#194 Cam

Dude, I already told you - that's not my bag! I was just holding it for a buddy.


Thanks man...you can give me that bag back now!!

206 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:29:03am

#179 Dave the...

So Tom Hayden is going to bring 6 million of his followers to protest in NY. Look on the bright side, nobody is going to miss work because of their travel plans.

(Maybe Bush should reduce the unemployment so these morons don't have so much free time.)

207 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:29:32am

#197 Cam

Not denying or belittling your contribution in the least. At an operational level, I can't fault Canada (except that in absolute numbers, we'd like more of you guys).

But .. when I communicate with Canuckians in other contexts on the web, it seems though most of them believe that they have nothing to fear from Islamic Terrorism. All I get is laughs when I say that bombing the WTC was as significant to New Yorkers as demolishing the CNT would be to Ontarians.

"Why would they do that to us?"

208 Canuckistan  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:30:52am

To all those people who like musing about the possibility of a Canada-US war: just remember the 1 million or so Canadians living in the US right now. They look like you, they dress like you, they talk like you (well, almost, eh?)

You worry about the enemies within... BUAHAHAHAHA!!!

209 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:30:54am

#193 Buckaroo

Oz has a pretty good b-ball team too, don't they? Basketball is practically a national sport down there, as much as football (soccer) or cricket.

#201 Ed Moran

Battlestar Galactica was cool.

210 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:31:10am

I've been drunk in Madison Square Garden.

211 RIP Ford  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:31:31am

#204 Promethea

Very good, thank you. I haven't seen you around in a while, how ya' been?

212 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:32:39am

The great thing about Cattlecar Galactica was you could tell who the baddies were by looking at their heads - didn't they all have 6" long unhealed lobotomy scars?

213 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:33:11am

Re: #208

That reminds me, anyone ever see Canadian Bacon?

214 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:33:44am

#199 dennisw-matamoros:

I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree. Bin Laden's fuckwads didn't crash the WTC because of a U.S. troop presence in Iraq - there wasn't one at the time. They did that because they view the West as decandent and corrupt. All of western civilization is under attack - just ask the Spaniards.

#207 Paranoid Brit:

There is a large degree of smug complacency, particularly (in my experience) in eastern Canada. I'm afraid it will take an attack here to make most Canadians give their heads a shake.

215 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:34:05am
20 acres of weed

But officer, that was for my own personal use, glaucoma, back pain, cancer...

Oh crap, I'm going to jail aren't I?

216 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:34:17am

Ed M. -

I know that "GOMEX" is for "Gulf of Mexico", and "28C" is "28 degrees Celsius", but what does "aoa" stand for?

(This has to do with ocean temperatures that bring about hurricanes, right?)

BTW, I heard that Hurricane Danielle is a devotee of the "Kabbalah Center".

217 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:34:46am

How come there aren't any Canadian food restaurants in Houston?


We have UK style pubs, Vietnamese, Mexican (thousands upson thousands), Central American Brasilian, French, Italian, Spanish, Thai, Japanese, Argentinian, Filipino, Korean, Indo-Pak, even irish style.

But no Canadian, at least that I've ever seen.

218 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:34:56am

#212 Paranoid Brit

No, I think you're thinking of France.

219 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:35:51am

#206

I highly doubt that 6 million people will be there, but even if there are 1/10 that much there could be some serious trouble...the police will be extremely outnumbered.

And if anyone listened to Hannity yesterday, that woman that was on wouldnt even say that she encourages the protestors to be non violent. She kept saying nonsense like, "we have many diverse groups protesting"...well ok, but how does that stop her a PEACE PROTESTOR from denouncing violence from the other protestors?

In my opinion a lot of these lefties want something to happen. I know it sounds bad, but that is just the way I see it.

220 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:36:35am

In case anyone was wondering what that last little bit of silliness was about - I was envisioning the cast of The Weather Channel and Hollywood Dirt Tonight Entertainment Tonight swapping places for a day.

221 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:36:46am

# 209 T

Yes, Down Under has invested in the hardwood game for some time now and it's paying dividends. As one of our proud parners in the WoT, I don't mind them picking up a bunch of medals, in swimming, basketball, and since there's no US team, baseball (they are also favored there!)

222 levi from queens  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:37:18am

I believe that before the pre-Canadians and British burned Washington that we burned York (maiden name of Toronto)-- their then capital. So I think we've all counted it as even. And we paid them compensation for winning at New Orleans after the war was over-- but great JOhnny Horton song.
York (Toronto) was burned by U.S.
I can't find a link showing U.S. paid UK indemnity for the battle of N.O; perhaps I am deluded.
music and lyrics to "The battle of new orleans" but to get the right effect you'll have to sing the lyrics to the banjo (drunkenly?--its a bit early for that)

223 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:37:38am
But we did burn their White House, didn't we?

Um... kind of. The War of 1812, which incidentally lasted a lot longer that one year and, was a peculiar comedy of errors, did result in the White House being burned to the ground. The arsonist involved was Rear Admiral George Cockburn, a member of the British army who was also a Canadian (but such things as Canadians didn't exist then). He was assisted by a large complement of mercenaries hired by the British and recently freed up after the defeat of Napoleon and numerous irregular Canadians who apparently were rather impetuous and eager to go burn DC. The army burned only official government buildings and decided to spare the library of congress after the pleadings of the librarian on the grounds that the library was the property of the American people and not its government.

The whole thing was a kind of leftover of the War against Britain. Canada was founded by two groups, the French who preferred the idea of British control to being a minority French 14th state and the 1/3 of the American populace who rejected the Declaration of Independance and moved north to remain under Birtish rule and found Ontario, usually after being looted and stripped of all their wealth on the way up the USA.

A group of "hawks" apparently forgetting why Quebec and Ontario weren't already US states decided we would be happy to be rescued from our plight under British subjection and marched north to rescue us. ou have to understand that the USA was this little spit upstart of a nation and part of the rationale was the subjected northern British people (later known as Canadians) would welcome US troops when they arrived and the British would be too busy fighting Napoleon to do anything about it. Hence the USA's manifest destiny of ruling all of North American would be fulfilled just as G-d had assured them.

It didn't quite work out that way.

The USA whopped our butts in anything involving naval battles, but we Canadians stunned the hawks by fighting back and we held out very nicely until the Brits finished up with Napoleon and then got around to dealing with that damn upstart US again. (About three years.) There were a whole lot of USA doves who obviously recalled their history and had no desire to try to rescue the Canadians without consulting them first as to whether or not they wanted rescuing and tsked tsked and "I told you so"ed when the Canadians (you must recall we were British subjects then and there was no such thing as a Canadian) declined the kind of offer of liberation by killing a whole lot of American troops.

The reason the British irregular army (read Canadians) didn't burn the city was largely because of the general desent in the USA against the war on Canada. Also it is not polite to burn things that belong to innocent third parties.

Cockburn had a very famous painting of himself commissioned which was entitled "The Flames of Washington Warming My Ass."

224 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:38:04am

#213 TQC

Hell yeah. I loved Canadian Bacon. Is there any way I can send Michael Moore about 30 pounds of it? What's back bacon anyway, same thing?

I love Rhea Pearlman as the crazed sniper. Nothing says funny in a Michael Moore movie like a crazed American with a gun. The uberpolite RCMP guys are funny also.

225 Crapulentis_Sum  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:38:53am

How does the old saying on not standing up against the "bad" folk in the world:

"They came for the people 2 doors down and took them away and me and my neighbors said nothing.

They came for my neighbors and took them away and I said nothing.

They came for me and my family today and took them away. No one was around to say anything..."

226 Promethea  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:39:07am

#211 RIP Ford . . .

I've been around--reading but not posting. Haven't had too much to add to the already clever discussions. Once in a while I pipe up, like the Dormouse in Alice in Wonderland.

227 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:40:24am

#217 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C:

How come there aren't any Canadian food restaurants in Houston?

Sure there are. They're called bars.

;-)

228 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:41:40am

al-Qaeda is not stupid. They'll hold off on attacking Canada only as long as it's politically expedient for them to do so (like to drive a wedge between Canada and the US). It's not because they like Canada, or Canadians.

229 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:43:28am

#197 Cam

Did you see this story?
Canadian soldier leaves with a heavy heart

230 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:43:48am

#221 Buckaroo

Me neither, I'd love to see Australia take the gold in basketball. Honestly, I think if the USA loses (just like we did to Puerto Rico and Italy), maybe it'll teach us not to think we're hot stuff fielding our "Dream Team" of pro-players when the whole idea to the Olympics was that amateurs who worked hard and gave their all (and aren't making millions of bucks) are supposed to be the ones competing.

#224 Beagle

Yeah, and I thought the part where they cross over to Canada and start dumping trash all over the place was hilarious. It reminds me of this guy who worked as a janitor at the grocery store I worked at when I was growing up, guy by the name of Virgil. We were talking about Canada one day, and he was walking by. He stops, looks at us, says "Canada? Man, they always walkin' 'round lookin' fo' stuff to pick up.", and walks off. It was hilarious when it happened.

231 RIP Ford  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:44:13am

#226 Promethea

Good to see you around, again.

Haven't had too much to add to the already clever discussions.

Yea, me too. Unfortunately, It does not stop me from posting. :P

232 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:44:28am

#224 Beagle
Back bacon is what we brits call the section of bacon with the big oval section of lean meat in it.

As I understand it, Canadian Bacon is cut from that piece.

So, British Back Bacon is like one part Canadian bacon, and one part American (grow a fat ass from all the fat) bacon.

233 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:44:49am

Ed M. -

I've never seen a restaurant advertising "Midwestern Cuisine" either. Or "New Jerseyan".

The South, Southwest (except maybe Arizona), Northeast (except Jersey), Florida, California and the Pacific Northwest are covered, but haven't heard of Oklahoma or Rocky Mountain states cuisine.

234 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:46:25am

Cockburn had a very famous painting of himself commissioned which was entitled "The Flames of Washington Warming My Ass."

I guess he warmed it a little too much and wound up burning his C**k.

235 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:46:26am

Judith

"The Flames of Washington Warming My Ass."

LMWAO!

They didn't call him a Rear Admiral for nuthin'!

236 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:46:32am
I can't find a link showing U.S. paid UK indemnity for the battle of N.O; perhaps I am deluded.

Full reparations were indeed made. In recent history this idiotic Virginian senator Jesse something who seems ot make headlines every year or so for being an ass (kind of a straight version of our Svend Robinson) introduced some sort of law allowing any American or their descendant who had ever lost anything when Castro took power in Cuba, the opportunity to sue any third party anywhere in the world who did business in Cuba for reparations for said losses.

This resulted in a huge kerfuffle because a whole lot of Canadian companies would have been left open to being sued by Americans. Among the things that happened, a group of Canadian descendants of the Loyalists who had originally owned the farm that said idiot lived on, immediately launched a legal battle suing him personally for compensation of their ancestors loss of the land. As part of his defense he brought up the reparations treaty of the War of 1812 which terminated all such claims. Hence the suite was unsuccessful.

Anyway, the law wasn't passed to Canada is still safe.

237 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:46:42am

#210 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

Wouldn't it be easier to just list the places you haven't been drunk?

BTW, thanks for the weather updates. I spent a few hundred on plywood and Charley missed me. But I am sure that if I didn't, he would have come straight up the coast and got me.

239 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:47:44am

OT: 'work accident' in Gaza. A senior Hamas terrorist killed, his assistant wounded, in explosion at home.

240 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:48:01am

aoa stands for "at or above".


Still true, although a weak ago offshore Texas and Louisiana were over 31C, and off the southwest coast of Florida was almost 32C. The "October" style cold front, with dry air, gusty winds and nightime lows near 15C cooled the northern GOMEX to about 29.5C, and Hurricane Charley cooled the water off Florida down to about 30C.


Not all bad news. A Cat 5 in the Gulf is now very unlikely.

I once read 28.5C was the minimum temperature for a major hurricane, and about 26.5C is the minimum for tropical cyclone genesis.


In about 6 weeks, when most of the Gulf cools below 28C as Canadian fronts and decreasing sun angles and longer nights take their toll, I'll probably have to either e-mail Charles and ask him to change my nick to "aob 28C" or get a Hotmail address so I can re-register.

I know registration makes Charles' life easier, but I miss being able to vary my name every day.

241 Beagle  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:48:34am

But there are a half dozen kinds of Southern BBQ. Culinary art, it's what we do best. ;-)

242 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:48:39am

#233 Frank IBC

I've never seen a restaurant advertising "Midwestern Cuisine" either.

What do you think Golden Corral is? ;)

Alright, I'm off back to the tox lab, see youse guys later.

243 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:50:24am

#229 papijoe:

I did. Reminds of the fact that we can be a beacon of hope.

#230 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus:

Years ago there was a program shot in Toronto, callde, IIRC, Night Heat. It was a cop show, supposedly in New York. One scene called for a trash filled alley. There were unable to find one sufficiently trashy, so they strew a bunch around and shot all morning. They broke for lunch, and when they returned, all the trash had been cleaned up by the city.

244 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:51:20am

Judith:

Whoooaa! That's more history than my tiny brain can handle! Your's is the correct version; mine's the 'dropout' version. ;)

Ed Moran:

True Canadian food is hard to find. There really isn't such an animal but next time you're drunk in Newfoundland, ask for 'codfish and brewis'. Though the codfish may be off the menu these days. You'll love the 'brewis'. But bring a hammer.

#200 EW1(SG):

"461 Americans--14 guns versus 3 British warships, 70 guns and 2140 men over a pig"

Now THAT'S what I call a 'fair fight'. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

They should have just roasted the pig and had Bar-B-Que!

245 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:51:47am

oh and I would suggest ignoring spot. He's obviously from Toronto, the necrotic center of Canada, and the rest of us never take anything out of Toronto seriously.

246 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:52:12am

# 240 Ed

"but I miss being able to vary my name every day."

Frankly, we miss it too ...

247 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:52:13am
248 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:52:22am

Brrr...Danielle's looking a little scary right now.

249 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:53:10am

Um, the baddies in Battlestar Galactica, with the exception of one human, who looke Greek to me, and one lizard I saw once, were all robots.

Did you ever see the video game from 1981 that had a happy face named "Evil Otto".


The Cylon robots talked like that.

250 Necklace of shoes  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:53:17am

From the "I don't expect you to give a flying fig about this department"...

The doors from a side entrance to the White House on the day it was torched currently are the front doors of my girlfriend's parents house. That house was built in 1888

251 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:53:54am

# 243 Cam

"They broke for lunch, and when they returned, all the trash had been cleaned up by the city."

I beleive you, but a link would be priceless!!

252 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:54:43am

ploome -

I'm not sure that's such a bad development - I don't think it's going to strengthen his support among the Muslims.

253 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:54:52am

Now, let me get this straight?

Rall wants Bush to go medieval on Pakistan and Saudi's ass because most of the 2800-odd dead in the WTC were Democrats?

Wouldn't this further enrich Halliburton, or are our boys and girls expected to forage for food?

I knew this guy was an unmitigated rabid loon, but dear me, is that an understatement.

Also, aren't some of those comments libellous (despite the fact that the targets are public officials)?

254 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:55:35am

Let's see. There is also Saskatoon jam, rhuberry pie, Nanaimo Bars, smoked Winnipeg goldeye, buffalo burgers, and smoked wild rice. From Quebec I would add sugar pie, poutine, and baked beans in maple syrup, and of course Montreal smoked beef.

mmm

255 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:56:16am

From the Ted Rall article

The Republican delegates here to coronate George W. Bush are unwelcome members of a hostile invading army. Like the hapless saps whose blood they sent to be spilled into Middle Eastern sands, they will be given intentionally incorrect directions to nonexistent places. Objects will be thrown in their direction. Children will call them obscene names.

So the soldiers sent over there are hapless saps?? Can this guy get any more condescending. If I ever saw this guy on the street I would punch him in the face.

256 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:56:32am

#243 Cam

I remember the Canadian snipers who did such an incredible job and IIRC the Canadian govt wouldn't even let them accept a citation from the US.

257 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:56:47am

I thought "poutine" was that stuff the Irish drank, that makes them see Leprechauns?

258 Canuckistan  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:57:28am

Speaking of Michelle Malkin, it looks like she's taken up the rewarding hobby of a crystal-meth addiction:
[Link: www.100monkeystyping.com...]

259 mad_scientist  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:57:55am

oops I meant in #255, from the Ted Rall article that was linked to in #238

260 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:58:29am

# 249 Ed

Ah yes, the golden age of video games -- "The human must not escape!"

261 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:58:45am

OT:

ADL Letter to Sacha Baron Cohen (Ali G)

[Link: www.adl.org...]

262 Crapulentis_Sum  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 10:58:51am

#255 mad_scientist 8/17/2004 12:56PM PST

If I ever saw this guy on the street I would punch him in the face.


You'd have to stand in line. By the time you got your shot in he'd be less than a bloody pulp...

263 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:00:02am

#244 foreign devil

True Canadian food

What about poutine?

264 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:01:11am

Canada is a pathetic disgrace. I cannot open a newspaper these days without seeing yet another disgusting story.

To be fair, there is much the same thinking (and actions) rampant on the US Left.

265 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:01:42am

We have these people in Winnipeg who wear little red and gold and black uniforms and they walk around in pairs looking for tourists who might be lost, panhandlers who need to moved along, and of course, they pick up trash and put it in litter recepticles as they go.

Nothing is more unnerving to the typical American tourist then having one of these pair follow after them picking up their litter and smiling politely and asking "Can we help you?"

I recall seeing a husband and wife arguing about on Main street and she said "Watch this." She tossed her empty cup on the street and someone walking by stooped, picked it up, and tossed into the garbage. "See! See!" she said to her husband, pointing, "They all do it here."

"Okay, okay, I get the message I won't litter anymore while we're in Canada."

Then my bus came.

266 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:02:12am

Canuckistan -

Got a problem with Asiatic eyes, racist?

267 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:02:39am

# 264 PBC

"there is much the same thinking (and actions) rampant on the US Left. "

Well duh! They went to school together, go to UN receptions together, etc ...

268 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:03:22am

WTF canucklehead? Any of the Canadians I know living in the US couldn't give a beaver's balls about Canaduh. They have no plans of moving back and wonder at the fiberal yoke asshats in the Great White North elect to endure. Take off.

269 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:03:54am

#258 Canuckistan

Speaking of head cheese...

How was your vacation in Afganistan...?

270 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:04:07am

# 266 Frank

Naw, I just think confident women scare him ...
:-)

271 EW1(SG)  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:04:40am

#257 Frank IBC:

I thought "poutine" was that stuff the Irish drank

Naw, that would be "potcheen," which is no longer allowed to be imported into the US. To steal a line from Ed, I've been drunk on potcheen in Pensacola, and my liver hurts just thinking about it.

272 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:05:51am

#126 foreign devil :

I would argue that it was the British who burned the White House, not Canadians. Since Canada didn't become a independent country until 1867. I would also say that Canada wasn't it's own soverign country(still under the British Mandate Charter) until 1982 when it got it's own Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I'm still torn if we are or are not a 'free' country as we still recognize a foreign head of state as a leader, and so forth.

That pretty much makes me a anti-monarchist and pretty anti-Canadian according to the Liberals. Ha!

#191 Paranoid Brit :

It will probably take a lot of people dead or dying for people here to change their PoV. If I talk to the people at the GM-NPDC here, you hear anger at the government for doing *nothing* all the time. Or lots of pretty words. They know that if something happens...alot of people are going to die because of it.

273 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:06:42am

Frank IBC 266 -you forget, its only racist, anti-semitic if said by a gun-toting red-neck, or by a Bushitler supporter...

274 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:06:42am

258 Canuckistan


On the thread below pictures of Malkin having a spirited debate (yeesh, you ever seen Ted Kennedy go into a drunken rant where you need subtitles to understand his version of Boston style American-English) we had an LLL who demonstrates just how sensitive the LLL is to avoiding ethnic stereotypes

Hey Michelle, how 'bout a short time? Or long time? O O??

Posted by: Sailor at August 17, 2004 04:47 PM


BTW, I'm married (so is MM), but give me a room full of woman that look like her or Ann Coulter, on a bad hairday w/o makeup, than a room full of Susan Estrich, Molly Ivins, Andrea Dworkin, Barbara Mikulski and Hillary Clintons anyday.

275 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:07:16am

#257 Frank IBC

Make sure you ask for poutine and not putain :P

276 Canuckistan  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:09:15am

266 Frank IBC

Hey, you have to admit that this expression is startling, Asiatic eyes or not:

[Link: www.100monkeystyping.com...]

BTW, I think Malkin's hot, but sadly, I think she's also cwazy!

277 levi from queens  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:09:37am

Judith-- great picture and link of cockburn (any relation to Alexander?)

Jesses is now gone(replaced by Lib Dole)-- but he was North Carolina not my native state of infinite pride, Virginia.

what about ice beer?

Now there is an African-American running in N.C. as "Jesses Helms is back--and this time he's black"link

278 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:10:25am

Ah...I think I got it - poutin = boudin? Am I guessing right?

279 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:10:56am

I say we should all ignore Canuckistan too. If you click on his little football you discover he needs to brag about the length of his equipment and we all know what that means.

280 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:11:38am

What about Ice Beer?

Yes, I hear that's a good remedy for Cockburn.

281 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:11:58am

poutine-Freedom fries with gravy and cheese.

282 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:12:07am

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but has everyone seen LGF take a beating via links by Instapundit and Winds of Change to a Norwegian blogger's site fretting the amount of "anti-Muslim hate" in the blogosphere?

This is from Instapundit:

I'VE BEEN MEANING TO POST SOMETHING on this item by Bjorn Staerk about the growth of anti-Islam comments on a lot of blogs.

Here's the link to the Norwegian blogger (slamming LGF!):

[Link: www.bearstrong.net...]

283 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:12:43am

#278 Frank IBC

poutine = french fries smothered in cheese curds and gravy

284 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:12:50am

#279 Judith -

I think he has a little trouble with English-to-Metric conversion.

285 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:12:56am

279

No kidding!

Canuckistan
Registered lizardoid since: 06/22/04 09:21:50 AM

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 23

Web site URL: [Link: members.shaw.ca...]

Rumors of me having a 12 to 13 inch schlong are in fact true.

286 RickZ  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:13:05am

# 166 Foreign Devil:

The presidential palace in Buenos Aires is the Casa Rosada. So a neutral white is not the worst of colors.

287 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:13:30am

# 277 levi

"{Robinson has endorsements from}Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, as well as Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and conservative commentator Pat Buchanan."

There's a horrible xenophobic-close-the-borders joke in their somewhere ...

288 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:14:00am
I think Malkin's hot, but sadly, I think she's also cwazy!

I prefer Laura Ingram to MM or Ann Coulter. Just my two cents.

289 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:14:07am

Schlong? Yeah right more like a schlort.

290 Isobella  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:14:15am

OT

Fox news just said that Sadr refuses to meet with the delegation sent by the Iraqi government.

291 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:16:40am

Poutine is disgusting.

Canadian Maple Syrup is good.

Tim Hortons coffee is good. So is Mike Myers.

Other than that-most of what is "Canadian" sucks.

292 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:16:48am

Thanks for the correction levi. I knew it was somewhere down there.

Ice beer? Never heard of it but American beer is so awful I suppose one could freeze it and not notice any difference. My father used to always bring lots of Canadian beer whenever we went to hte USA and offer it around to the poor deprived Americans with the comment he didn't understand how a nation that could put a man on the moon couldn't make a decent beer.

Now that you've bought up Molson that should change.

Now ice wine, that is another matter. Yes, we invented ice wine but personally I find it too sweet.

Have a commented on Kahdr yet? No? He talks so much I think he's likely to end up dead. I just hope CSIS, CIA, RCMP, and FBI are taking as many notes as they can before he does.

293 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:17:32am

schlort

Is that like a schnargle, my reaction when I read his profile?

Oh, I get it now - LOL!!!

#281 Judith, #283 Gabba -

Uh, I think I was better off not knowing that. A bit too rich for my blood. :(

294 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:17:53am

#289

Or a schlrimp?

295 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:17:57am

#258

Canuckistan was always a lesser, bottom feeding troll (like a Gordon without teeth), but his attack on the stunning Michelle Malkin has proven his judugement is as unsound as his logic.

The boy has been in Canada so long, he no longer likes beautiful women. I guess his preference has switched to beaver.

(The rodent, people, the rodent! Get your heads out of the gutter, fellow Lizards!) :-)

296 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:18:08am
Other than that-most of what is "Canadian" sucks.

Saskatoons are great.

297 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:18:14am

schargle = snorting sound made when you laugh abruptly

298 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:18:19am
299 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:18:24am

Judith:

"...poutine-Freedom fries with gravy and cheese..."

Heart attack on a plate! :(

300 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:18:58am

Re: Moonbat LLL women, like Andrea Dworkin, Barabara Mikulski and Hillary Clinton: Do they become moonbats, dedicated to destroying what they perceive as patriarchal western society because they are so awful looking they never got asked out on dates (by men, anyway) as teenagers and now are incredibly bitter?

301 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:20:30am

OT - SA, Iran discuss defense cooperation

This is a link to the Jerusalem Post, so I'm not sure if you need registration to view it. Here's the part that scares me:

At the conclusion of the meeting the two countries signed a Memorandum of Understanding on bilateral cooperation, which included an arrangement for South Africa to sell uranium to Iran, Channel 1 TV reported.
302 Buckaroo  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:20:53am

# 282 Abu

Interesting misrepresentation of LGF (and others).

I'm reminded of a thread about a week ago or more where someone (IIRC, Dirk Diggler) best framed the "moderate muslim" discussion -- one poster had positied "Presume, as D. Pipes says, that 10-15% of all Muslims are Islamists. That leaves 90-85% of Muslims opposed to that agenda."
The invaluable repsonse was: "Until those 85-90% SPEAK THE HELL UP, THEY'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!"

303 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:21:18am

#300 Ed Moran

Most are 100% butt ugly. But even I have to conceded that Naomi Klein-a filthy slut of an LLL freak-looks much better now than she did when she was at my university. She had a bowl cut in those days.

304 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:22:30am

290. Not surprising. Allawi has tried and failed to negotiate, now he can bring the guns back out. Sadr is toast.
(At least I hope so. )

305 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:23:30am

#290 Isabella:

al-Sadre refuses to meet with the Iraqi delegaltion from that 'Peace Conference in Baghdad' that they interrupted the smackdown for? F...K Him!

I say enough of this shit. I would fire the next general who pays any ANY attention to that fat greaseball.

It's time to kick ass and fumigate the mosque or raze it to the ground!

306 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:23:57am

#303 WriterMom

Margaret Atwood *gag* was the keynote speaker at my undergrad commencement :(

Frank IBC

Thanks for the schargle definition :)

307 Paranoid Brit  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:24:16am

#305

Amen to that.

Faster, Please

308 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:24:39am

301
Big


South Africa's Defense Minister Patrick "Terror" Lekota and his Iranian counterpart Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani met on Monday to discuss an expansion of mutual cooperation between the two countries, especially in the domain of defense, the Islamic Republic's news agency (IRNA) reported.

Did the SA govt. destroy the plans they had for their nuclear weapons when they destroyed the weapons?


What mutual enemy do Iran and South Africa have in common?

309 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:25:18am

#291 WriterMom

You are nothing like poutin, sweeter than maple syrup, probably hotter than Tim Horton's coffee, almost as funny as Mike Myers, and you don't suck ;-)

[[[WriterMom]]]

310 Isobella  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:25:27am

#298 ploome hineni -

That makes no freaking sense! Isn't the Pope an infidel?
I wonder if the reason Sadr won't deal with his fellow Iraqi's is because he knows they will have him killed if he doesn't oblige?

Might be a stupid question - considering my lack of history knowledge - but has the Pope ever been known to take on this type of role?

311 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:26:44am

#306 Gabba Gabba Hey

Marg-irate Atwood is a terrible writer. Humourless and boring, preachy and silly. A true Canadian celebrity. Barf!

312 Judith  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:26:58am
The boy has been in Canada so long, he no longer likes beautiful women.

Clears throat-Try visiting in summer. You'll be pleasantly surprized but what's under those bulky coats and touques. (Dirk Diggler, note spelling.)

313 BIG  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:27:02am

308 Ed Moran

Aren't you glad that the UN is watching out for us to make sure that Iran only has peaceful intentions with their nuclear bomb program?

314 Gabba Gabba Hey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:28:12am

#311 WriterMom

Ain't it the truth. She lent a real air of celebration to the evening. Pfft!

315 Frank IBC  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:28:38am

Abu Sadr is probably bluffing - if he has any contact with the outside world, he knows that the Pope can barely move around.

Isobella -

IIRC, he mediated in a border dispute between
Al-Ghantinah and Chile.

316 foreign devil  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:30:31am

According to most of the Iraqi blogs I've read the Iraqis hate al-Sadr. And his minions are all over the south bullying the people.

What good is it liberating the country from Saddam and then allowing another bully to come along and do as he pleases.

Tommy Franks was talking to Paula Zahn last nite and said it'll be another three to five years before the troops can leave.

317 Dave the.....  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:30:46am

"I prefer Laura Ingram..."


Hey, Laura is the emcee at a huge Bush rally I'm going to tomorrow.

318 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:33:03am

As my old Economic geology prof back at UT, Dr Willem A van Rensburg, who used to be a bigwig in the SA mining bureaucracy liked to point out, South Africa was more than blessed with all nature of mineral wealth.

I always suspected that SA's importance in strategic minerals, like titanium, needed to manufacture the high tech US weapon systems, was one of the reasons the Reagan administration never came day quite as hard on South Africa during the apartheid era as the Left would have wanted.

A Communist sympathizing, terror friendly nation may have chosen to side with the Soviets, and refuse to sell the US the key material.


Not a defense of apartheid, but sometimes you have to tolerate one evil system for a while to avoid handing victory to the greater evil.

319 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:34:38am

#309 papijoe

Flattery will get you everywhere!

(((papijoe)))

320 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:39:56am

#308 Ed Moran :

Did the SA govt. destroy the plans they had for their nuclear weapons when they destroyed the weapons?

They 'say' they destroyed all they destroyed all the plans for their nuclear weapons when they destroyed the weapons. But we have to trust them on that. Right...

321 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:43:38am

Re: my comment # 320 Um. Maybe I should just retype that so it makes sense.

They say they destroyed all the plans, when they destroyed all the weapons. But we have to trust them on that. Right...

Preview is our friend. I hope that's better.

322 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:47:07am

310 Isabella

Howdy..all...The Papacy is rife in it's history with such corrupt acts, but let's be fair: at this point it is NOT the pope calling the shots. It is senior members of the Synod. The Pope is too frail at this point. On of the things that JPII was afraid of when he was at his full capacity was just this kind of apostacy!! Remember, the Church of Rome started the purchase of indulgences and the purchase of salvation to the common folk before the Reformation: they also denied the public access to sacred texts: and we all know that PiusXXIII turned his head the other way while Mussolini bludgeoned Italy into accepting Nazi facism...there is a long history...don't be surprised...as a former Catholic...I'm not...there's more to come...

323 piglet  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:54:31am
They 'say' they destroyed all they destroyed all the plans for their nuclear weapons when they destroyed the weapons. But we have to trust them on that. Right...

And you believe that the nukes in Cuba were really sent back in 1962?

One can assume that the outgoing White govenment did not hand over atomic weapons to the new black majority govenment. More likely they dismantled them and gave the components to a country that they trusted to be discret about it.

324 sequel mpls again  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:56:53am

random thoughts mostly re: food

Minnesota= hot dish (casarole for those less informed on the subject
Wisc. = brats
kansas city = BBQ
the mountain west...Rocky mountain oysters! (eew!)

Ed Moran "abu whatever it is today" is my hero. He's been drunk in more places than I've ever been or even seen pictures of for that matter.
I want to be just like him when I grow up. ( only in my 40's!) Got a lot of drinkin years left in me but I'll never catch up or get close, cause I do most all my drinkin in one place.
Guess I should get out more. Did get drunk in Dreyden Ont. last week though.

325 papijoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:58:01am

#319 WriterMom

Thanks I needed that! Especially now that Gary Farber has got my blood boiling again

326 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 11:59:54am

#323 piglet :

Yes but the question is not the nukes themseleves but the technology as well as the information to build them. They were to hand over all information related to them, but we have to trust that is what they did. I have very little trust when it comes to governments like that, or even transitional governments.

327 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:00:14pm

#324 sequel mpls again:

What in the hell took you to Dryden?

328 Son of a Pig and a Monkey  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:00:22pm

#323 "trust to be discrete about it" ---er, Israel?

329 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:04:06pm

#326 Mashiki

The white gov't of South Africa knew that whatever they didn't destroy would be taken by the ANC. Nothing was left in S.A.

330 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:06:25pm

I'm only 40.


I did most of my serious drinking during the period 1982 to 1997.

331 m410  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:12:00pm

For those interested I have been keeping a running thread on Abdurahman (and other Khadr) stories (with some commentary) on my web forums. Most of the links are to Globe and Mail stories which are behind registration now but worth it if you are interested.

Link

332 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:12:12pm

#329 Mr Pol :

You'll have to excuse my skepticism. That still makes us sit on the words of others saying that 'they got everything'. The only government that I've know to do such a good job at purging something was Canada with the Arrow.

333 DP111  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:14:26pm
A lot” of Canadians trained at al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and some still live freely in Canada

Surely he means to say, "a lot of Muslims who just happen to live in Canada".

334 NDMNTX  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:15:26pm

Not much in the realm of "Canadian Food"
[Link: www.canadianfavourites.com...]

335 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:18:48pm

#332 Mashiki

You're white in South Africa just before the end of the Apartheid. You know your country is going to be taken over by a terrorist group, whose motto is 'kill all whites'. You have some nuclear secrets that could help that terrorist movement to make a nuke, or help you to move out. What do you do?

336 NDMNTX  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:19:21pm

On the other hand... Minnesota Food: [Link: minneapolis.about.com...]

but they failed to mention Walleye nuggets, mmm

337 Isobella  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:22:51pm

305 foreign devil -

Agreed - the time to take care of him is LOOONNNG overdue.

338 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:25:35pm

#335 Mr Pol :
Contigency. Plan for an eventual return to power and keep secret stashes of all plans and information as duplicates. Second, hand over everything else to a world body. Give the world a 'nice down trodden face' then run for the hills.

Once things calm back down, in oh a generation or so climb slowly back up the political ladder with new people and reclaim the country with a second generation reclaim the secrets and restart the nuclear program...providing humans haven't developed something more powerful.

339 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:28:46pm

#338 Mashiki

Not bad. Most of your colleagues moved, though - and the ANC is still in power in S.A.

340 sequel mpls again  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:35:19pm

Ed Moran "abu whatever it is today"

OK so I'm older than you, but still want to be like you when I grow up. I doubt that I'll ever grow up so no need to worry about a clone running around. Maybe I'll change my nick to sequel abu mpls!

Cam
I went fishing up there. Fish was great. We ate out one time in red lake on that trip, they put brown gravy on my freedom fries! The horror!
And it cost me $60.00 Can. to fill up my Caddy. What the hell is wrong up there?.. I guess I already know but jeez.

341 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 12:44:08pm

#339 Mr Pol :

Thanks. Ofcourse you can always subvert people inside the ANC. It's easy enough to do with the right amount of money, as well as promises of power afterwards. It may take more then a generation, the best laid plans are only good until the first shot is fired. You have to adapt.

Make alliances with those you once wouldn't have. The point is to be flexiable. You are willing to do that, you can gain it all back. Stage an internal coup, or something else...well who knows. Give me more time to think on it.

Some people bargin in good faith, most governments do not. If you accept that, your are just being foolish and setting yourself up for self-destruction. Always something, else, always something hidden. It's terrible way to look at the world...but it is a sad reality of it.

What was said by Sun Tzu? If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

342 Cam  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 1:02:37pm

#340 sequel mpls again:

LOL. Did they force any malt vinegar on you...?

343 piglet  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 2:05:59pm

[Link: www.bullatomsci.org...]


As South Africa moves toward black-majority rule, the African National Congress (ANC) wants the country's white government to come clean about South Africa's secret nuclear weapons program. Pretoria has refused to confirm or deny that it had a nuclear weapons program before making the decision in July 1991 to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). When asked in an interview about the nuclear weapons program, Waldo Stumpf, chief executive of the South African Atomic Energy Corporation said, "You must be naïve if you think I am going to answer that question."1

Of course stupid is as stupid does:


Press reports in 1989 said that South Africa provided Israel with a steady supply of natural uranium for its nuclear weapons program. If such exports occurred after 1984, they would have been a violation of South Africa's pledge.

There are also concerns about what the ANC might do in the future. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported on January 9, 1993, that Western military officials were worried that an ANC-led government might sell off nuclear technology or material to countries such as Iran or Libya, or to the PLO, in payment of old debts.16 One event that fueled concern was Nelson Mandela's visit to Libya soon after he was released from prison.

The ANC's Jardine says such concern is "far-fetched." U.S. officials also consider nuclear sales unlikely in a black-majority government. Jardine said that if the ANC were implicated in a questionable export to a threshold country, its credibility would be severely damaged.

344 Mashiki  Tue, Aug 17, 2004 2:41:35pm

#343 piglet : A very interesting read. Thanks for posting it.


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