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Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:50:34 am PDT

Here’s a troubling piece about the nature of the Islamic political movement in Canada, which is taking credit for helping defeat conservative candidates: Muslim power in Canada.

A few days ahead of the federal elections, three Canadian Muslim leaders met at Concordia University in Montreal to discuss Islamic “committed voting.” The event, however, turned into an anti-Zionist, Jew-bashing fest.

The meeting’s tone could be felt at the hall’s entrance: flyers calling to boycott Mount-Royal Liberal deputy and Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, a human rights lawyer who defended such political prisoners as Nelson Mandela and Natan Sharansky and a strong advocate of Israel’s right to defend its citizens from Palestinian terrorism.

Bearded men and hijab-clad women filled the room. A handful of representatives from the Canadian Marxist-Leninist Party also attended, nodding in sync to all the speakers’ statements. I was the only reporter present.

CIC President Mohammed Elmasry opened the meeting by saying: “The Conservatives’ strong performance in recent polls should alarm Muslims” since, in his view, Conservative leader Stephen Harper espouses an extreme-right agenda. Mohammad Sherif Kamel of the Canadian Muslim Forum sounded the same warning bell: “The Conservatives are so right-wing they put Bush to shame; its members are all racists and Zionists.”

In addition to defeating the Conservatives, the Muslim leaders want to shake Canadian Muslims out of their electoral apathy. While the last national voting rate hovered around 60%, it was below 50 % among Muslims. Elmasry warned Muslims that if they refrain from voting, “we will end up with anti-hijab laws, and just like in France, will need to ask the police for a permit to pray in our workplace.”

CIC President Elmasry explained that thanks to the report he commissioned, Muslims were projecting political power for the first time in Canada’s history: “All MPs and their opponents know we are watching them. But don’t believe that all deputies who scored well are happy about it. Many resent, for obvious reasons, being associated too closely with Muslims.”

These “obvious reasons” were made explicit by Kamel: “The Zionists and corporations run the show in Canada, the Zionist Global Television and the Issi Asper Foundation want to form our minds and the next government.” ...

“I could not vote for a thief. Zionism is theft. A proud Zionist candidate commits a fatal mistake. I’ll name some people: Jacques Saada [Montreal liberal deputy and now minister] is a Zionist, he is therefore a thief!”

Kamel also denounced Prime Minister Paul Martin as a “Conservative in Liberal clothing whom the Zionists and the corporations elected as leader of the Liberal Party.”

Elmasry was upbeat about the emerging Muslim vote: “With an average age of 37 years, the Muslim population is young and growing twice as fast as the rest of the population. For the first time in Canada’s history, Muslims are projecting political power.”

The day after the elections, the CIC reported an improbable 88% vote participation among Muslims and congratulated itself on helping defeat the “Zionist” Conservatives.

Imam Elmenyawi was elated: “A Conservative victory would have been disastrous for Muslims. A minority government is a victory for us. We Muslims will wield greater power, especially with regards to foreign policy. There is no better shield from terrorism than Muslim participation in Canadian political life.

In case you missed it, that last quoted sentence is a thinly veiled threat.

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1 Ballistic Renegade  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:52:56am

Riiight...

Die pigs Die!!

Hope Canada wakes up & smells the Java!

2 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:54:42am

WriterMom deserves a hat tip. Charles?

3 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:55:00am
4 big L  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:56:18am

build the wall, now! Sadly Canada is a lost cause. Maybe the western provinces aren't. But rest is.

5 jgold  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:58:18am

#3 you got that right. I am a Jew originally from Montreal and I can tell you first hand they flat out hate the Jews and blame them everytime there separatist referendum goes down. Free Canada!

6 CSVA  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:58:21am

Calling all Israeli wall/fence experts to the northern US border. You are needed there right now.

And the canadian commies just sit there and nod: have fun paying the infidel tax morons!

regarding the southern US border: DMZ baby!

7 Charles  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:58:41am

Ward: WriterMom deserves all the hat tips in the world, but this one I didn't get from her.

8 Goldie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 8:59:43am

OT

bigel, how would you pronounce your nic?

Biggle? Bi-gul? Bi-jel?

I was telling a European friend about 'the bigel option,' and was stumped by this question. (My guess was "biggle.")

9 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:02:13am

The frontier between Zionist and Jew is fading away. Notice how all the people these bastards termed 'zionists' actually have Jewish names.
As many on LGF are worried about (following the example of Martin Luther King) this is all and only about antisemitism.
The new fact is that these cretins are more and more emboldened to speak out what they really think, and that is BECAUSE antisemitism is not considered as repugnant as it used to be. The defeaning silence of the majority is sickening and will but reinforce these motherf***kers in their jew bashing feast.
He who doesn't speak agrees.

10 WarBicycle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:05:42am

#3, I too am a Canadian originally from Montreal; Muslims in Canada had better not be too complacent because the silent majority has a deep mistrust and hatred for them.

11 Jakester  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:06:31am

I figured there was some requoting needed!

"There is no better shield from terrorism than Muslim elimination from Canadian life.”
12 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:07:36am

#8 goldie
And how did your eurofriend react at the prospect of bigelisation?
BTW, bigel, do you think we should use the British spelling 'bigelisation', or the American one 'bigelization'?

13 zombie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:08:15am

Western Civilization: Let's have an election; everybody votes, and the guy with the most votes wins.
Everybody: OK!
Muslim: If my guy doesn't win, I'll kill all of you.
Western Civilization: If you keep acting that way, then you don't get to vote.
Muslim: If I don't get to vote, and if my guy doesn't win, then I'll kill all of you.
Liberal: Gee, we really ought to let his guy win, in that case. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair -- we'd be denying them their right to have whatever they want!
(later...) Victorious Muslim Leader: OK, here's the priority list for the public executions this afternoon: #1, the Liberal, #2, the Jew...

14 Beagle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:10:03am

Malkin's book seems applicable here. About In Defense of Internment Can we deport them yet? Saudi Arabia needs workers.

15 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:12:37am

#10 WarBicycle

Muslims in Canada had better not be too complacent because the silent majority has a deep mistrust and hatred for them.

Sadly enough, I strongly suspect their distrust for [bigoted word]s equally matches their antizionism/antisemitism, like it is the case in France. I can tell you, some people here are eager to explain to you that if the Muslims behave badly, it is in fact the Jews' fault (ya know, Israel, occupation, massacres, genocide, blah blah blah).
Antisemitism is like the speed of light: it is invariant.

16 foreign devil  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:13:42am

OT: New York Post reporting that Swift Boat ad is having an effect with undecided voters:

"Anti-Kerry Ad A Hit With Undecided Voters"
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
"... Vietnam veterans opposing John Kerry have scored a hit with a tough TV ad that claims he lied about his war record — it makes swing voters think twice about backing Kerry, an independent study has found.

The ad planted doubts in the minds of 27 percent of independent voters who planned to vote for Kerry or leaned pro-Kerry. After seeing it, they were no longer sure they'd back him, the study found..."

17 csva  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:14:36am

#10 WarBicycle
I hope you are right!

#13 zombie
Did you hear that on a paris subway?

18 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:16:27am

Terrorism is only ONE of the arms of the war to conquer the West and make us slaves of muslims.
So, of course, muslims' participation and dominance in our Countries' political life shields us from terrorism...because muslims have won and the main goal of terrorism is reached.

The West has still to wake up. The latest, the bloodiest.

The invaders have nothing to rejoice about anyway. They will never win in the end, the answer can be late but it will be terrible. They should study much more history than they do. We are not warmongers and we are always reacting too slow, but this doesn't mean the invaders have any chance to win.

19 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:18:40am

#17 cvsa

Did you hear that on a paris subway?


That kind of Muslim doesn't bother to speak French anymore.

20 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:19:45am

ElMasary has been very outspoken in his goal for the islamization of Canadian politics. He even got an op-ed piece to this effect in the Toronto Globe and Mail before the June/04 federal election. If I were a Canadian Jew, I'd be VERY concerned.

And, not surprisingly, the sunni and shi'ite mainstrem mobots that ElMasary represents cannot even acknowledge that two of the only mobot MPs in Parliament are Ismailis!!!. The horror, the humiliation, the seething...

Also from Trudeaupia, CAIR-Can makes the incredible suggestion in its submission to the Ontario government re. shari'ah tribunals that they should properly be termed "Muslim arbitration tribunals". Worth a looksy at [Link: www.caircan.ca-...] see page 3 of the submission. Just...utter...taqiyyah and dissembling.

Finally, any LGFr's going to the anti-shari'ah tribunal demonstration at Queen's Park on Sept. 9? I'll be the one with the "ALWAYS A KHUFR- NEVER A DHIMMI"/"NO KHALIPHA" sign. Look for the secret identifier. BWA-HA-HA-HA! Who knows- maybe the Red Star's coverage by Ms. Siddiqi (no relation to Haroon Sadiqqi, of course) will be there for "balanced" coverage. NOT.

21 foreign devil  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:21:23am

#15 David 'Parisien Insider"

I think that estimate of the anti-[bigoted word] sentiment is just about right. I'm in Toronto and though it took a while, they general pop. is starting to 'get the message' and are no longer digging in their heels in conversations about Afghanistan and Iraq. They're beginning to see that what's happening there could happen here.

I don't find any more anti-Semitism than before (just the average amount you get in North America). Though it would be preferable to have none--we've never had a big problem that way and the odd occasion some neo-Nazi pokes their head out, they get smacked down right smartly, vis-a-vis David Stanley. We have the odd headstone defaced or kicked over in a cemetary (few and far between and usually makes front page headlines when it happens) so there really isn't a rise in that sort of aggression. But the Muslims, who in the past were mainly accepted or ignored along with everybody else, (we like to mind our own business), are now getting a sort of withdrawal from the citizenry. Where before you never thought about them anymore than if they were Indian or Pakistani, now people just visibly 'withdraw and clam up'.

22 denbike  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:22:17am

Uh oh, is another terror case falling apart already?

Translation Error Found in NY Terror Sting Case

23 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:22:29am

CORRECTION re. #20

September 8th 204. Mea culpa.

24 Partizaner  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:22:41am

Writer Howard Rotberg was shouted down in June when he tried to discuss his new book "The Second Catastrophe" at a bookstore in Ontario. The Chapters' bookchain management didn't care, and neither did the police. Rotberg has a long story in the Jewish Tribune. It turned my stomach. Time to bring Canadian Jews south, along with French Jews? Come on down, landsmen!

[Link: jewishcanada.ca...]

25 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:24:13am

#23

That's it for me today, I'm not fit to post here today- 2004 I'm an idiot. Preview's my friend.

26 Millie Woods  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:26:17am

jgold, FYI, the French and that includes franco Quebeckers hate everybody and when there are no vous-autres, to hate, they hate each other. They are haters with a gargantuan appetite.
As for the [bigoted word]s in our midst in Canada, they are as delusional as the francos with this big exception. The Quebeckers are disproportionately represented in the civil service because of the idiotic language requirements. Any franco can get away with speaking English like Chretien or worse but every anglo must speak French well enough to be admitted into l'academie francaise. Ergo all the unemployable doughheads with useless poli-sci degrees from UQAM and UdeM have infiltrated the fe4er al civil service big time. Not a good scene.

27 Big Al  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:31:41am

I am Jewish and from Montreal. I was living in U.S. for the last two years but recently moved back to Montreal for familial reasons. I really wanted to continue living in the U.S. but had no choice but to move back. The situation in Canada, especially in Montreal has become dire. There are certain areas in Montreal, notably near Concordia University, where you feel genuinely threatened. The hatred for Jews and Israel is palpable. Even traditionally Jewish boroughs like Cote-St. Luc are being overrun by hardcore Islamists (keffiyas, full-length hijabs, women walking 5 paces behind their husbands, etc...). I don’t have to tell any of you how militant Concordia has become. What's worse is that Quebec immigration policies have encouraged Arabs from French-speaking Arab countries (Morocco, Algeria, Lebanon, Egypt) to move to Quebec in droves. We're almost as bad as some of the worst areas in France and there is little sign of abatement. While there is still a strong and vocal Jewish community here, we have been loosing political and financial clout for several years now. Many of the younger generations have left for greener pastures in Ontario, B.C. and the U.S. I was one of them. I don't know what the future holds for the Jewish community in Montreal but I am not optimistic to say the least. For those of you from the U.S., count your blessings. It is the greatest place in the world to be. At least you have a government who is aware of what many of these individuals stand for and is not complacent, or at worst, complicit in their activities.

28 Cam  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:35:05am

bigel, jgold:

To clarify, they don't blame Jews for the failed referendum. They blame the "ethnic vote", which, to their way of thinking, is anyone who wasn't a Quebecker 400 years ago.

29 Doug  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:37:21am

I concur with your assumptions. My French (Quebec) girlfriend has more than once expressed irrational hatred towards the "Jooos"

She has shut up since on this subject since I have slowly been feeding her a diet of LGF selections.

30 Max Darkside  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:47:34am

Sorta OT:

No need to build that Canadian fence... They're heeerrreee...

Terror by Taxi?

MINNEAPOLIS - Dozens of unattended taxi cabs, some with the keys left in them, were found at a convenience store just yards from the runway at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

Airport officals got tips from some cab drivers concerned that cars were being left unattended Sunday night. In all, 38 vehiciles were towed from the parking lot of SuperAmerica, a store near the airport fence and right next to tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel.

31 foreign devil  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:48:50am

I posted this on the previous thread because at the time there wasn't a "Kerry" thread so I'm posting it again with apologies if you've already read it.

New York Post reporting that Swift Boat ad is having an effect with undecided voters:

"Anti-Kerry Ad A Hit With Undecided Voters"
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
"... Vietnam veterans opposing John Kerry have scored a hit with a tough TV ad that claims he lied about his war record — it makes swing voters think twice about backing Kerry, an independent study has found.

The ad planted doubts in the minds of 27 percent of independent voters who planned to vote for Kerry or leaned pro-Kerry. After seeing it, they were no longer sure they'd back him, the study found..."

32 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:50:41am

Hmm...so much lizard food to comment on...

#7 Charles-you're too cute.

#8 Goldie-I tend to pronounce him as "biggle", like wiggle. I can't imagine that he would tend to the French "bi-jelle". Just wouldn't make sense.

#20 Earl

I am planning to go the demonstration.

#29 Doug-not to get too personal, but how long have you had this girlfriend and is it worth having a girlfriend who has expressed such sentiments. Do you feel she's changed?

33 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:50:44am

#10 - WarBicyle

I hope you're right (I'm in Toronto), because from what I see in Quebec, it comes down to whether or not the Quebecois hate the Jews more than they love Dhimmitude.

34 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:53:19am

#27 big Al
From your description, I agree with you that Montreal now looks like some places in France. Jews, and more generally anyone, gradually feel insecure in their very places of living.
You know, I am always amazed at some movements like Protest Warriors in the US, because it is not something we could do in France during demonstrations, lest we would be beaten to death by the mob. Anti war/pro pali demonstrations being of course the most dangerous ones, which can easily turn into a small scale pogrom (thanks to our North African 'brethrens'). This has happened quite a few times in Paris: some people were chased and attacked because they were Jewish (or looked like they were). This of course took place in front of the benevolent eyes of the so called 'anti racist' activists who did not lift a finger to protect them.

35 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:55:43am

#27 BA

There are now more mobots than Jews in Montreal (source: 2001 census)

My advice? Pack up your stuff, load your family in your car- and don't stop driving for five hours until you pull into your new driveway in Thornhill. Or York Mills. Or Riverdale. Wherever.

Sure, the bagels aren't as good (try Bagel World and you'll soon forget Montreal ;) ) and the clothes sense isn't as hot. But you'll be welcome here. And the dollar's on par. And the islamists still have along way to go before you'll feel unwelcome/uncomfortable in Ontario.

36 foreign devil  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:56:22am

Sorry. Meant to post that on the Kerry thread. Having a sh**ty day today for some reason. Everything's backwards. Arrrgggh!

37 Goldie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 9:58:13am

12 David 'Parisien Insider'

My Euro (Czech, Jewish) friend did not think the bigel option was a very good idea. It turned into yet another argument where I said Europe was the graveyard of the Jews and he got mad.

Then he wanted proof that Europe was getting out of control. I said Jews could no longer wear yarmulkes in Paris (your territory), and he said that was nothing new. Not exactly a winning response.


32 WriterMom

It seems weird to me, too, to pronounce it any way other than 'biggle.' But I'm still awaiting the official word.

38 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:02:51am

#33 Keelie

You going to go to the anti-Sha'aria demo?

39 Mashiki  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:05:49am

#20 Earl : I'll be at the demonstration as well.

I don't expect much in the way of balanced coverage from Canadian news anymore.

40 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:06:16am

#37 goldie

I said Jews could no longer wear yarmulkes in Paris (your territory), and he said that was nothing new. Not exactly a winning response.

Yeah, that's the main problem. Most people are theoretically against antisemitism but when it actually occurs, they all of a sudden bury their head in the sand and deny that there is anything shocking or worrysome.
I have seen it all the time in Paris: the people (usually Left wing) who are supposedly (and define themselves) the most anti racist fellows on earth are really swift to stifle any argument about the rise of antisemitism in Europe. Of course, we are paranoid, we are exagerating, etc...I 've come to understand why the world did not lift a finger to protect the Jews from the Nazis, and I now think that should it happen again (God forbid), they still would do fuck all.

41 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:09:51am

#33 - WriterMom

I may go - perhaps as a "security" person in case of trouble.

42 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:12:01am
43 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:12:40am

#41 Keelie and #39 Mashiki

Then the LGFers should have some way of identifying each other...should we all carry a white carnation, or wear green shirts or something like that?

44 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:15:01am

You all can't miss me-I still have a sun tan from Israel.

45 zulubaby  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:15:26am
My French (Quebec) girlfriend has more than once expressed irrational hatred towards the "Jooos"

I cannot imagine being friendly with someone who hates Jews but I suppose that's because I'm a Jew. It just seems bizarre to me.

46 genard  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:15:45am

There is no conceivable compatibility of conservative principles and Islam, but that does not prevent George Bush from asserting it. He is wrong in that and wrong to say that Allah is another name for the Universal God.

On the other hand there is no conceivable compatibility of leftist principles and Islam other than the temprorary truce of enemies who ally to fight a larger enemy.

Islam is compatible only with Islam and the antithesis of all other human thought.

47 Big Al  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:18:43am

#34 David

I wasn't in Montreal when the riot broke out at Concordia when Natanyahu spoke but I heard it was a full blown pogrom from my friends in the field. The rioting was bad here and there is a lot of anti-Jewish animus, poorly disguised as anti-Zionism. The police here stood idly by because they did not want to "cause more rioting" I was told. Whatever. They're the product of the same effete, liberal backwater that the French authorities smugly bathe in. But I don't think Montreal is as overt about its anti-Semitism as France is. The Canadian government still attempts to cast a veneer of legitimacy over its efforts to pursue these individuals by making very vocal public statements about the need for a pluralist society, that these types of acts will not be tolerated, yadda, yadda, and, in some instances actually bringing major transgressors to justice, like the creeps who firebombed United Talmud Torah. But we are becoming more and more like France every day. Soon police will be afraid to venture into certain areas of the city, much like in France, and will remain increasingly complacent in the face of outrageous acts of criminality that are becoming increasingly banal. I am genuinely afraid for the Jewish population here. In ten years, this city has drastically changed. In another twenty, we’ll be reciting the Shahada I’m afraid.

#27 Earl

Thanks for the invite pal…but my wife moved me back, along with my mother-in-law and there’s no way she’s gonna go on another adventure. The U.S. is the place to be, although Toronto is a lot more welcoming than Montreal. I don’t think the indigenous population of Ontario share the same quotient of anti-Jewish animus as the indigenous French speaking population in Quebec…but I wonder how much longer Canada itself will be insulated. Funny thing you mention the bagels. Bagels and smoked meat are things which returning ex-pats cite as some the best reasons for moving back to Montreal to assuage the feelings of self-doubt, unhappiness, and discomfort they feel at moving back!

48 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:18:56am

#43 - WriterMom

You can't miss me: I look nondescript.

49 Mashiki  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:24:55am

A green shirt works for me, I have one of those. It is a lizard-ish color after all. But if we stick to either of those it should be good. Keep it simple.

50 ddd  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:26:39am

As a Canadian this country is a disgrace. We are born appeaser and backstabbers. We talk endlessly about UN Peace keeping, which never has worked.

51 jocelyn  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:26:43am

#43

I'm going to be there, too. I'll be wearing my LGF tshirt! Anyone else?

52 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:27:11am

How about one of these hats? Subtle, lizard lounge wear.

53 beavereater  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:27:58am

"Muslim population is young and growing twice as fast as the rest of the population."

Now you know why they are called fucking Muzzys!

54 Cam  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:29:30am

Writermom:

How come your link in #44 won't work?

BTW, I'm trying to talk my mother into going down for the rally. She's pretty much an LLL but is absolutely livid about this shari'a bullshit.

55 Mashiki  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:35:13am

#54 Cam : try copying the URL first then pasting it into another window. It doesn't seem to like direct linking.

#52 Writermom : Well it fits the bill. Just where is one to get a hat like that.

56 Veil All Camels Now  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:35:30am

First "official" post...
No surprise here. Mohammed Elmasry and "Imam" Elmenyawi are both darlings of our national broadcaster, the CBC. They are never challenged by interviewers and are treated in the most deferential of manners. I remember seeing them on CBC the night of 9-11, needless to say they were the angry and aggrieved parties.
Canadians are for the most part spineless, emasculated useless idiots. I take no pride in calling myself a Canadian. As for Quebecois, they really do hate everyone whose family was not part of New France (I mean old, old stock Quebecois). However, they especially hate those terrible Jews, who they consider to be the source of all humanity's failures. It is so absurdly preposterous yet they ardently believe it. They also tend to view all Palestinians, and Arabs by proxy, as being brothers in arms, up against those nefarious, imperialistic Jews and Anglos.
Such is my daily existence, surrounded on all sides by fools.

57 John B  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:38:18am

Re: 35 Earl

You should have added that the Chinese/Thai/Italian food in Toronto is much better though. Bagels I can live without but would someone please explain why Montreal is the only place you can get great smoked meat?

Re: 24 Partizaner

It's interesting that this would happen at Chapters which is owned Heather Reisman who is married to Gerald Schwartz. But then she founded the Indigo chain which bought Chapters and inherited its management. I wonder if it was brought to her attention.

58 Goldie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:39:05am

40 David 'Parisien Insider'

Most people are theoretically against antisemitism but when it actually occurs, they all of a sudden bury their head in the sand and deny that there is anything shocking or worrysome.

I guess the idea behind this argument is 'they've always hated us without killing us - why would that change now?'

Except it's totally not true - Europe has a long history of murdering Jews, as we all know. The question should be, why would THAT have changed?

There's no reason to think it would've. Any possible reason - more educated population, widespread concept of human rights, etc. - is refuted by the fact that they have a bunch of disenfranchised, downtrodden minorities who just happen to be medieval savages to do the killing for them.

59 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:39:08am
60 Mashiki  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:40:46am

Anyway, if those who are going decide on what the 'offical' LGF wear will be for the anti-Sha'aria demo. Do post it, my vote is either LGF wear, green shirt or white carnation.

I'm off to get some sleep before I head off to Toronto tonight. Take it easy all.

61 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:46:37am

#47 Big Al

But I don't think Montreal is as overt about its anti-Semitism as France is.

Don't believe France is more overt about antisemitism than Quebec or whichever Western country. The situation is exactly the same. People are horrified by antisemitic acts as well, the media write editiorials crying 'no more' and at the the same time criticize Israel in everyway possible and chastise the Jewish community for being too sensitive about this issue...
But in the main, France's rethorics is no different from what you can see in many other country, including the US I am afraid. The same Thirld Worldist rant, demonization of Israel under the cover of a fight for 'peace' and 'justice'.
It's something all LGFers should understand: France is just a little more 'advanced', if I may say so, because the media, the elites and the gov't have uniformly adopted one point of view and that is only one that is available to the French audience. There is much to say about why particularly in France this kind of behaviour is generalised but still...the opinions you find in France are no different from that of Moore's, the Democrats and so forth. That makes for a lot of (non French) people doesn't it?
What horrifies me is that I ve realized, from reading various threads of LGF, that the French interpretation of world events has begun to pervade the entire Western world. You people from other part of the world should better watch out if you don't want your countries to become like mine. There is a spirit of cowardice, collaboration with Islamic fundamentalists, white man hating that seems to be spreading universally.

62 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:47:37am

#54 Cam

Awww crap! I was just saying I still have a sun tan from Israel. I'll be easy to spot at the rally.

63 Goldie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:48:43am

42 bigel

A lot of people here think I am a mad nuker, but we are talking about a concept that Israel really would use only in its last dying gasp, with nothing left to lose.

Well, that wasn't exactly my version of it. I explained it as an ultimatum that Israel could use to keep those chicken Euros from acting against it. Not as something that Israel would do when it 'had nothing left to lose' - what purpose would that serve?

I was interested in the idea of having something to threaten the Euros with, since they clearly only act in their own cowardly self-interest.

64 Teacake!  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:48:54am

Story of how the "International Jew" got started, in a nutshell.

Jews lived in forced ghettos thoughout all of Europe for generations. In Germany, where the first Mr. Rothschild who was by no means a wealthy man, I forget his occupation, would be visited by some German officer who took his savings on a regular basis, along with severe beatings. This left a huge impression on him and he raised his sons with the intention of all being bankers. All his sons did exactly that and became what was called the House of Rothschild.

When Napoleon rose up to power and certain European nations needed loans for military purposes, they went to the Rothschild banks. Each Rothschild made the same deal, you get the loan if you make sure that Jews are given equal rights. These people walked off very angry. But as Napoleon gained power, the first country to cave in to the Rothschild demand was England and I believe the other heads of state caved in as well, and the rumor of the "International Jew" who controlled "all" the banks of Europe was born.

65 David 'Parisian Insider'  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:49:47am

Grr, many spelling mistakes...PIMF!

66 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:52:45am

#60 Mashiki

I actually don't have a green shirt or an LGF t-shirt, but I have a fabulous pink hat! I'll be the one in the pink hat.

67 Goldie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:57:06am

Veil All Camels Now

Welcome! Cute nic.

68 peace be upon me  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 10:57:48am

As Muslims reject the West, we allow them to migrate here, and even celebrate their sick cult:
[Link: www.pakistanlink.com...]

Before being welcomed to the White House, this creep - Akbar Ahmad - was allowed to propagate for Islam, in a 6 part BBC series, "Living Islam" (1993):
[Link: muslim-canada.org...]

Akbar says that West Muslims have a right to resort to "jihad" in their new countries (read: frontline terror bases):
[Link: muslim-canada.org...]

This leaves the option of jihad. That too is difficult in our age. A small deprived minority cannot easily take on the power of the state, but it can try. The attempt to assert independence, to fight for one's dignity and culture, explains what is going on in Kashmir and Palestine. Communication between the government and these groups appears to have broken down. For Muslims the state is represented by the brute force of soldier and policeman. The women in the area live in dread of their honour and dignity being violated; young males are in the constant fear of being picked up for interrogation and torture at any time on any flimsy pretext. For the elders there appears to be no real alternative but to give free rein to the youth in their attempt to break loose and create their own response to the world, whatever the costs. It is a dreadful choice, full of pain and disruption. But when dialogue breaks down it appears to be the only one open for the time being.

Islam is terror; Muslims are terrorists.

69 DP111  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:05:04am

I do not know what the general feeling is in the USA but here in the UK, there is extreme disquiet about Muslim presence in the UK. What with dirty bombs plots and treasonous behaviour of the Islamic fifth column, something is going to give soon.

This problem has to be sorted out soon, as it is affecting how Western nations interact within and amongst each other. The very nature of the West is now being changed for the worse and even survival may be in question.

This cannot go on for too long without a major political fallout.

70 Ashamed Canadian  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:08:28am

I'm Canadian eh...
Let me tell you...we continue to be part of the coalition of the unwilling and our liberal bleeding heart government will do nothing to stop Muslims from taking power.
Everybody should read Stewart Bell's Cold Terror (how Canada harbours, nurtures and exports terrorism around the world).
Somebody save me!!!

71 CCR  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:10:09am
I wasn't in Montreal when the riot broke out at Concordia when Natanyahu spoke but I heard it was a full blown pogrom from my friends in the field. The rioting was bad here and there is a lot of anti-Jewish animus, poorly disguised as anti-Zionism. The police here stood idly by because they did not want to "cause more rioting" I was told.

No Jew should live anywhere where they do not have the right to bear arms.

72 Veil All Camels Now  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:12:26am

#67 - Goldie

As my beloved Quebecois compatriots would say...merci bien!
Been following LGF for a while, it has been my gateway to sanity in a world that has me wondering at times if I am not the insane one. Mostly I wonder though how the average Westerner can be so very stupid.

73 blogaddict  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:15:54am

I always thought it was pronounced Bee-GEL (hard "G," accent on the second syllable). I imagined it as being a sort of Israeli pronunciation.

As for the fact that Jews in France can't wear yarmulkes anymore for fear of attacks--can you imagine if the French acted like the Danish king who wore the yellow star when the Nazis ordered it for the Jews? Best example of standing up to this kind of nonsense I've ever heard of--

Except, it unfortunately appears to be only an urban legend (although the king himself was apparently a stand-up guy): [Link: www.auschwitz.dk...]

74 jgold  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:22:22am

To my Jewish Montrial Friends:

When Moshe's and the Snowden Deli close down we are in deep shit! Get out now before it is too late.

Long Live the Smoke Meat Sandwich!

75 DP111  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:29:15am

68 peace be ...

Thanks for the links.

76 Big Al  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:37:08am

It is bad everywhere it's true. But France hasa really long and entrenched history. Hatred of Jews is banal there. Here, there is a significant portion of the population that still frowns upon it. Whether that translates to a safer environment for Jews in Montreal than in Paris is anyone's guess. From what I have heard, the kind of attacks that occur in France has not yet manifested itself as regularly, or with the same degree of intensity in Montreal, but I am sure that will change.

77 thinkingmom  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:38:18am

#69 DP111,

I do not know what the general feeling is in the USA but here in the UK, there is extreme disquiet about Muslim presence in the UK.

I suspect that if a political candidate said that, given the *ahem* problems with islam and terrorism, the United States should declare a moratorium on muslim immigration, he or she would get a lot of support. The fact that neither major political party even raises the issue is pretty disturbing.

78 WarBicycle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:40:28am

My family has lived within a 100-mile radius of Montreal since the mid 17th century. I left Quebec in the mid 1960’s when I entered the military; ninety-five percent of my childhood friends also left the province Most of my family and friends are scattered throughout Canada, families have been broken up as a result of subtle ethnic cleansing on the part of French Canadians. The only relatives I have in Quebec are a Jewish aunt and my younger sister; both families chose to remain in Quebec because they were bilingual and owned successful third generation businesses. The Jewish and English population that remained in Quebec were small business owners, once they die off within the next fifteen to twenty years, the Jewish and English population of Quebec will disappear for good.

79 Big Al  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:41:53am

#71 CCR

Canada has all but outlawed the right to bear any arms...we're not as bad as England, but we are a close second...you should think of us as one big state of Massachusetts...without the guns..and a lot more liberals

80 Big Al  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:44:28am

#74 jgold

Moshie's marinated shish-kebab is still the best thing I ever ate followed closely by Schwartz's smoked meat...Snowden Deli is ok, but they do make the best party sandwiches!

81 blt  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 11:49:12am

As a Canadian living in the US right now, I propose some sort of "population exchange." Industrious, hard-working Canadians in favor of less government and of doing what's needed to win the war on terror (and willing to be responsible for their own healthcare) could all come to the US. Moonbats, LLLers, everyone who works for NPR and Michael Moore could all go to Canada and live in paradise. Include members of the armed forces of both countries in the exchange -- American troops wanting to be blue-helmeted peace-keepers could change places with Canadians troops itching to do something useful. Then we divy up the military resources proportionately to the troop movement.

Some territorial changes would probably be required. We would probably need to include the left coast down to northern California, the mid-west border states (especially Minnesota) and likely some of the northeast as part of "Canada" in order to accomodate the moonbats. They would probably also need a few dozen or so institutes of higher learning for Paul Krugman and the social science professorial elite to feel comofortable. And Hollywood might have to be a special "Canadian enclave" in southern California.

But otherwise it works for me.

82 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 12:05:24pm
83 Beagle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 12:08:15pm

Dammit bigel, don't wuss out on me now. I've learned to love the bomb, and everyone else should too. I think of nuclear war as bottled sunshine. :-)

84 lilith  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 12:12:11pm

Anyone in Toronto..what time is the Sept.9th demonstration called for?

85 virtual  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 12:17:26pm

#42 bigel

It's pronounced Throat Wobbler Mangrove.

/gratuitous Monty Python reference

86 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 12:52:08pm

#81

Some territorial changes would probably be required. We would probably need to include the left coast down to northern California, the mid-west border states (especially Minnesota) and likely some of the northeast as part of "Canada" in order to accomodate the moonbats.

You forgot to mention the Canadian land we would get in return, such as the lower halfs of the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba.

87 DP111  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:14:37pm

77 thinkingmom

I suspect that if a political candidate said that, given the *ahem* problems with islam and terrorism, the United States should declare a moratorium on muslim immigration, he or she would get a lot of support. The fact that neither major political party even raises the issue is pretty disturbing.

It is not just amazing it is unbelievable, given that a politician will do almost anything to get elected. It is surprising that no politicain or party has raised the "I" word and whether we really need it. Our governments in the West, and all politicians of note, just do not want to mention Islam or Muslim in the context of the war. There almost seems to be an OECD/NATO fatwa on this.

So why the reluctance? In a way, given our own religious wars of the past, I can understand not to mention a religion as the cause of the war. The powers that be in the West, the media and everything else, is just not yet ready to go down that road. They would much rather that it could be solved in the usual way.

To me, there seems to be an unspoken understanding among politicians and major media, to avoid the use of Islam or Muslim as much as is possible, to praise Islam if possible and ignore it, when the news is negative on Islam. Given all that has happened in the last 3 years since 9/11, it is hard to dispel that suspicion.

88 Joseph  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:16:47pm

I weep for the Toronto/Canada I once lived in and loved.

89 Curious  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:21:47pm

Bigel, don't necessarily disagree when you go into Samson mode, but you're so much more constructive when you don't, and you probably get a wider, more receptive audience. Don't forget your allies here in the UK.

Canadians are worse than Brits for Leftie stuff.

OT, sort of, has anyone checked out Belmont Club comments lately. Some really deep stuff, very profound. Eg, 'The perfect is the enemy of the good' (talking about utopian ideas like leftism, Shariah etc). Really amazing.

90 FredFlak  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:26:19pm

Hi,
I am usually a lurker and daily follower of lgf, but since this strikes close to home i'm gonna come out and add my little comment to the story.

I am a french canadian currently live in Montreal, I moved here from Quebec City 6 months ago, currently living in a very diverse part of town, lots of Hindu and asians in my building.

Anyway, one of the thing you have to understand about Quebec, is that the elite has never truly represented the general population. And that anti-semitism amongst the so called elite is deeply rooted and was very present before and during the second world war for example. Another thing to remember is that the 'Elite' i'm speaking of includes the journalists, who since the birth of journalism in Quebec have been working for the government instead of working for the population.

Someone already mentionned that the general population here doesnt like muslims, and that's true. There is some anti-semitism amongs the population, it's mostly a blind following of the thinking classes, who learned from the teachings of notorious anti-semitism.

Heck, at the Laval University in Quebec City, after the second world war they welcomed with open arms french who collaborated with the nazis and gave them jobs teaching there while inviting them as guests of honor to private parties.

But there is a growing chasm between the elite and general population. We can see it in another topic that's hitting Quebec City where ordinary poeple, the kind who work and usually dont have time to protest, are taking to the streets in record numbers to protest the forced shutdown of probably one of the only right wing radio station in quebec, while the censure and shutdown itself is backed by the journalists and most university thinking head.

Personally I think that if the muslims go too far and only listen to what the liberal 'elite' say, they are in for a major surprise when their mosque start being the target of firebombs. French canadians tend to be very emotional and quick to go to extreme, and these days the general population is starting to fight back against the liberal thinkers.

Anyway, I hope i'm correct. I might be wrong, but I sure hope i'm not. They will cross a line one day, and they will get a rude awakening.

Enough talk for now.
This is Fred, one of the proud french canadian right wing nutjobs, signing off.

91 virtual  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:28:11pm

#56 Veil All Camels Now

I thought anti-Semitism was a thing of the past in Canada, or something I only saw on the news from Montreal ever so often. I had a rude awakening at my favourite local pub. I was having a few beers when an acquaintance started raving about how he couldn't believe that the Palestinians were getting a bad rap for their 'resistance'. Right away I was in a shouting match - this fellow actually said that victims of suicide bombings 'deserved' their fate, and that the only thing Israelis could do to make things right was grant 'unrestricted right of return'. I pointed out that that would mean genocide and an end to the state of Israel. Apparently they 'deserve' this too.

The next night I got in a violent argument with another guy who took much the same tack. At least the first guy claimed not to be anti-Semitic (the old 'I'm not anti-jew, just anti-zionist') - this one openly admitted he disliked and distrusted Jews.

Bad enough that not one single person took my side in the argument (until later, when a few privately admitted that they agreed with me to varying degrees). But much worse was the fact that these two weren't old fossils. They were both well-educated twentysomething hipsters. I guess this is what passes for inclusiveness and understanding in Canada these days.

That was when I became horribly disillusioned about the nature of the Left. While I am a foreign-policy hawk, I have always considered myself a bit of a social liberal, but I won't even wear that label anymore. I found the political blogging scene and I'm not looking back. I've been a soldier for 17 years and I've never been so disgusted with and ashamed at the people I serve.

A strange postscript: neither of my opponents knew I was an Army officer. When they found out, both were super enthusiastic; they gushed about how much respect they had for the military and for what it represented. Maybe they thought it was full of other frothing racists like them.

Not my military. You fucking scum.

92 Curious  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:36:52pm

91 FredFlak

Good to hear from you. Maybe I'm wrong about Canada. Sounds a bit like UK where the chattering classes (Guardian etc) really do not represent the people. Sooner or later there will be a clash.

93 DP111  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:43:47pm

Wretchard has commentary on Norman Podhoretz's World War IV.

[Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

Worth a read.

94 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:48:27pm

#90 - FredFlak

Greetings from Toronto.

So nice to hear the voice of reason from La Belle Province.

95 FredFlak  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:48:59pm

92 Curious

Yeah it sounds like it's the same. We face the problem where the majority of the teachers in our schools are left wing, pretty much like the US from what I read, but the problem is that almost all of the french canadian media are left wing also. And since our public education system doesn't teach us any real english, most poeple are stuck with what the teachers and media says, since they cannot look outside the province. I am glad that I decided to learn english on my own when I was young, mostly to learn to play video games ;) but still it allowed me to look elsewhere and learn.

I personally think the clash you mentionned is starting slowly here. Peacefully. And what triggered it is the forced shutdown of the only right wing french canadian radio station that i know of in the province by the canadian broadcasting agency. They pissed off the wrong poeple by exposing corruption and speaking out against the government.

It is quite amazing when you think that every other french canadian media is applauding the shutdown while the slightly more right of left media of english canada are screaming out against it , seeing it as the threat to freedom of speech that it is.

And the first clash that I talked about is this:
[Link: www.pdionne-photo.qc.ca...]

50 000 poeple taking to the streets in Quebec City, has never been seen before.
I personally expect things to get more heated at the end of the month when the station is supposed to stop broadcasting if things don't change. If they still are asked to stop, I expect someone to keep broadcasting anyway, and tell the government to shove it. Might get nasty if they decide to send the police to force it, might spark riots, which Quebec City was famous for. :)

96 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:51:31pm

#90 - FredFlak

Oh - and here's an idea (hopefully one that may work) for the radio station.

Broadcast from just over the border in the US, if you can.

Some years ago (many years ago) the Brits outlawed a radio station, and they broadcast offshore - Radio Luxembourg it was called. It was immensely popular with the young British crowd, including myself.

97 WarBicycle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:56:22pm

#90
When I was a kid growing up in the 50's and early 60's in Quebec, the elite were those individuals singled out by the Catholic Church to be educated at a seminary that went on to become priests, lawyers, doctors, professors or politicians. In those days the Catholic Church controlled just about everything. That is until the Quiet Revolution took place in 1959/60.

98 FredFlak  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 1:56:53pm

96 Keelie

It's a good suggestion, the host that is the main target of the attack on the station and also part of the management actually looked into this. But he found that no stations close enough to the border there would be powerful enough to reach Quebec City where the station was actually broadcasted from. They were thinking of buying a station to do just that, but for now it can't be done.

I remember one also saying as a half joke, they could load up the broadcasting equipement on a boat and broadcast from the middle of the St-Lawrence river. ;)

Personally I more than back them if they keep broadcasting, and would join up to block access to the station and broadcasting tower to keep poeple from shutting them by force.

99 Keelie  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 2:37:22pm

#98 - FredFlak

I remember one also saying as a half joke, they could load up the broadcasting equipement on a boat and broadcast from the middle of the St-Lawrence river.

Actually one group in the UK began broadcasting from a boat in the English Channel...

The main objective is to give the Liberal government and all its lackeys high blood pressure.

100 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 3:05:04pm
101 armytramp  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 3:07:42pm

Black is white and up is down and people who call themselves "Liberals" support a religion that denies all women equal human rights; openly supports the enslavement of non-Muslims; allows for wife-beating; openly demands the killing of all non-Muslims who are not also "People of the Book"; demands a lifelong protection tax be imposed for all People of the Book and those who fail to pay may be murdered; claims that Jews are "pigs"; declares that the word of a non-Muslim in court only has half the weight of the word of a Muslim, and the word of a woman is halved again; declares genocide (jihad) on all non-Muslims over 100 times in explicit terms that have everything to do with cutting people's heads off and nothing to do with a "Spiritual War"; and this is a movement "Liberals" support?

What the hell?

How can anyone who calls themselves a liberal possibly claim to be pro-Islam?

Only a secular Islamist (a contradiction in terms like secular Christian) could possibly be a liberal and no one quoted in this article has any business calling themselves anything but conservative. They are the definition of connservative. Koran-thumping, backward thinking, old school yahoos. God help us all if they keep breeding and voting. They won't stop until every last woman is in a burkha and every last infidel is dead in the streets.

How liberal.

102 WarBicycle  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 4:33:36pm

#100

When I was in grade nine my history teacher told us that had the English not prevailed on the Plains of Abraham, the Quebecois would have revolted against France within ten years and fought a war of independence. French Canadians despised the French aristocrats.

103 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 4:39:21pm
104 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 4:44:00pm
105 Pennies for Patriots  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 5:06:15pm

Re: #44
Writer Mom


Golly, now I can say I have seen a fine Jewish tuchas. Although, I might have seen one at the Museum of Natural History way back in the sixties. Clearly I was too young to appreciate it then.

I'll keep my eyes open for it if I land in TO for the September demo.

106 MootPoint  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 5:44:50pm

Is there any proof that the Borg were not partially modelled after the ROP?

They are infiltrating now, converting the weak minded, and waiting until their numbers are strong enough to enter the House of War.

107 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 6:21:36pm

#76 BA

"From what I have heard, the kind of attacks that occur in France has not yet manifested itself as regularly, or with the same degree of intensity in Montreal, but I am sure that will change. "

Damning with faint praise. Remember Krakow, c. 1934? Without being cynical, do you really think that PM in his Eastern Township eyrie will really give the rat's anus when your kid is attacked for wearing a yarmulke, or your wife is driven off the road for "looking Jewish"? "Oh, those tiresome Jews- boy, I'll have another T&T, thanks. And clean my clubs before putting them back in the Bentley, there's a good chap".

GET OUT NOW! Bring your brains and human/fiscal capital to Ontario. You are welcome here.

#84 L

It's on Sept. 8th, 2004. At Queen's Park. At noon. Be there or be trapezoidal.

108 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 6:29:37pm

Jay-sus, I just re-read my post 107. I sound like Bigel, sans nukes.

Then again... anyone got a problem with that?

109 Earl  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 6:47:49pm

OT, but...

Well, well, well. Canada takes a smack upside the head from our American neighbours. Any bets on how far east this program will extend... like the Atlantic Ocean.


[Link: cnews.canoe.ca...]

Smarten up, poutine eaters
110 pat  Wed, Aug 18, 2004 6:57:09pm

Whenever I discuss the proliferation of petty crime, uncivilized behavior, beggars, and resentful immigrants in Canada, I receive unmittigated anger from Canadian LGFers. But I love Canada. I warn you: You are committing national suicide. It is irrevesible. Because you beleive in nothing except your own delusions, you are meat for those who are serious and readily perceive your weakness.

111 WarBicycle  Thu, Aug 19, 2004 3:16:51am

Such was life in the 1740's, the parish priest wasn't interested in little boys when there were plenty of widows for him to screw.

112 Feralee  Thu, Aug 19, 2004 4:46:32am

Yes, that last sentence is very telling. Basically saying: give us control, or else. But giving them control is the same as terrorism. Not as bloody and shocking, but just as horrible. Subjugation to a backward, failed, sick ideology. A slow, painful death, versus a quick one.

Poor Canada. So nice and polite and tolerant. And this is what you get! Politicians who'll whore themselves for the multiculti vote while screwing over other Canadians.

113 Lamp  Thu, Aug 19, 2004 9:08:47am

How come the article posted doesn’t match the one of the link?

114 Investigator  Thu, Aug 19, 2004 9:32:06am

I lived in Montreal for three months this last year as I was preparing to move my wife and new son down here to Cali.
I made a ton of observations.
1. What a socialized pile of garbage the canuckistanian Govt is.Healthcare,Policing(lots of parking tickets..gotta feed that coffer)TAXES TAXES and oh yeah..lets TAX your Taxes!
2.The French are French.Montreal french are no different then the yellow surrender monkeys across the pond.Rude,Backwards and miserable.
3.IT's FRIGGEN COLD there.Who the hell ever thought to establish a city where on many days in the winter it is -40 degree farh.?Old town Montreal is pretty,looks just like europe where I was posted for many years.
4.They hate Jews,it's almost a sport there.They hate Americans too.(my wife and son are both jewish,I am not)There will come a day when being jewish in Montreal quebec Canada will be generally UNSAFE.
5.Great Food!!!
6.Girls are pretty there
7.The anglos there loved it when I was someplace out and about mingling amongst both and went off on one of my anti french rants! whether in a mall or on the street...anglos feel undersiege by the French laws there in Montreal.
8.French young men can get pretty cocky if they find out you're an American and say pretty terrible things about you...say in a McDonalds restroom,on the way to Mt Tremblant...they stop quickly however when you politely apply a right cross to their jaw,another elbow to their chest and then step on them while continueing to the head.His friends(four of them) did nothing to help him in typical french fashion.I just growled,"I'm an American,I got a badge and do you french skirts want what he just got?"
Silence.
I have a million of these adventures while in canuckistan.never got arrested.
Wonders of the world are not over.

115 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 19, 2004 11:20:04am

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