It actually was islamic, before it wasn't islamic ...

Thom, LOL!

Only 9 people so far this year, but 52 last year? They've got a lot of catching up to do.

Seems like Sharia Law is not all that bad if this is representative of it. We could get rid of alot of perverts this way and I would not lose any sleep over it.

# 3 ev

This year they've been distracted by the Zionists errr terrorists operating in their midst ...
:-)

Interesting how they were drinking too. That isn't allowed. According to David Pryce-Jones in this book, sodomy of young boys is quite common. The beheadings most likely were for the drinking or for the kidnapping, not the sodomy.

I'm no dhimmi, but if someone anally raped my child I can't say I'd mind a little beheading.

Where are the feminists on this one? To think they call Republicans hypocrites...

Hey, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Sarah, not the drinking. That just gets ya 70 lashes or so. I'm pretty sure it was the sodomy because the Koran specifically lays out the death penalty for butt sex.

If Israel did that, wonder what the world would say?

#11

Very good point! It would mean sanctions for sure.

People expect the Saudi's to act like savages. People expect the Israelis to act like saints...or rather, they expect them to try and fail.

Why don't they just stick to their goats and leave the young-uns alone!

Did they got beheaded because they consumed alcohol in the Muslim holy month of Ramadan or because of kidnapping a young boy and sodomizing him?

When Canada adopt the shari’a laws, they'll have to behead half of the France Quebec's for consumed alcohol on Bastille Day.

Am I the only one here cynical enough to think that the charges were all concocted bullshit? Sodomizing a young boy? Since when is that a crime in Islam? After a drinking binge? Ooh! During Ramadamadingdong? Oh, that just does it. What could be more heinous to the devout? Why don't we add Practicing Witchcraft and, *horrors*, Consorting with Zionists!

I'll bet money the condemned were actually politicals. Just a hunch.

the Koran specifically lays out the death penalty for butt sex.

Even with a female??

Damn, that is reason enough to destroy their cult.

#10 evariste

But not all butt sex. Go to Sistani's website, it's right there under A. I'm always here with the divine law for my brothers. ;-) The wife must even consent. Wow!

Question:My question is, what does the holy book Quran and prophet Mohammad (pbuh) say about anal sex even if the wife agrees to experience this with her husband?

Thank you

Answer:As deduced from narration anal sex is permissible; but it is strongly undesirable. Permission is bound to wife’s agreement and consent to anal sex. If she is not consenting, it would be impermissible.

RightIsRight, LOL! I don't know the penalty for butt sex with girls but it is definitely also forbidden. But the Koran is specifically talking about gay sex when it prescribes death.

Whup, Beagle got me :-) It's allowed but you're not supposed to, looks like :-)

The War On Women

In Saudi Arabia in March, at least 14 girls may have died unnecessarily in a school fire because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. Members of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice interfered with rescue efforts because the fleeing students were not wearing the obligatory public attire (long black cloaks and head coverings) for Saudi girls and women. Also in Saudi Arabia, women's testimonies in court are equal to half those of a man.

A woman in Pakistan who has been raped and wants the state to prosecute her case must have four Muslim men testify that they witnessed the assault. Absent these male witnesses, effectively the rape victim has no case. Equally alarming, if she cannot prove the rape allegation, she runs a very high risk of being charged with fornication or adultery, the criminal penalty for which is either a long prison sentence, including public whipping, or, though rarely, death by stoning.

Still think Sharia is a good idea, TimK?

# 19 ev

"See! Women is Islam have rights! She can always say 'not in the poop chute tonight dear!'"

/I. Hooper

#21

So the "excuse" in the Muslim world is, "Not tonight dear, I a have a hemorrhoid."

10 evariste

the Koran specifically lays out the death penalty for butt sex.

Right, but is it not common with both young boys and girls?

After the end of Desert Storm I was waiting to get re-deployed and happened to be in Riyadh with some friends. Turned out it was chop chop day. We were drug up to the front of the crowd so we could witness "Islamic justice". I wish I had known then what I do now.

Buckaroo, LMAO! Yes. So many rights. Thank God Islam elevated women.
[Engineer], it's a lot more common with young boys than girls. In fact I would venture to guess that it's probably 99.5% boys who get buggered.

# 22 RiR

Except all that would mean is he just uses the, uh, "main thoroughfare" ...
:-(

#16 RightIsRight

Naughty boy~

Evariste:

Everything I have read, outside of the Koran, on Islamic day to day life states that sodomy of young men is a widespread act. They are usually family members.

Of course, that's not counting the girls who are "married" at age 9, [Engineer].

Next time McGreevy is int he middle east, I hope he detours through Riyad.

Joke of the day: Pale-terrorist - Barghouti - caught eating during Pale-"hunger strike"

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

That pig makes children sacrifice their lives for terror, while he won't sacrifice lunch. I would put him on a pork diet.

Sarah D, I'm not saying it's uncommon. It's extraordinarily common, I'm sure. I'm just saying, it's kept highly secret and if you're caught in a shari'a country like Saudi, chop chop.

# 25 ev

My wife has the best quote on Islam and women -- "In the 1200s a Muslim woman had probably more rights than in any other major religion. The problem is today she has those exact same rights and everyone else has moved forward!!"

#17--

That site is unintentionally hilarious. Look under "s"...

Buckaroo: your wife's wrong, IMO, but that's a clever thing to say :-)
In 1200 Jewish women had far more rights in Jewish law, that's a fact. And I'm pretty sure, so too did Christian women.

IF this isn't a bullshit case to kill them for drinking and they actually raped this boy then fuck em..beheadings fine by me. Personally I'd go for a shot to the head but child rapists need killing so I'm cool with whatever method is deriguer where the bastards are caught.

#31 evariste

Good point. Maybe we should adopt that law? Not a bad one really. Of course we would be beheading lots of Catholic priests! (And yes, I was brought up Catholic).

#30 peace be upon me

Somebody get that poor, starving paleo a Manssiere™ asap!!

Uh, no offense Charles, but if they behead someone for raping a young boy (or a girl for that matter), I'm not going to complain very much.

Hell, I'd probably give them a medal.

Sorry bro, but I have to disagree with you on this one. I have no tolerance for rape.

The only possible defense I can hear is that it isn't clear that the person was raped. That's it. But if there is real proof that they did it, then behead 'em, roast 'em, hang 'em, whatever you like ... means nothing to me.

-ron

#38 ballantrae

The point is the absurd claim that beheadings are "un-islamic", not the suitability of the punishment.

#36--

We'd have to behead Roman Polanski, too.

Of course, he's in France so he'll experience genuine sharia soon enough.

#32

"In the 1200s a Muslim woman had probably more rights than in any other major religion.

I'd like that fact checked. Seems more like Islamofacist / leftist talking points.

#38 ballantrae
Charles' point was all the Imams are saying that beheading isn't approved under Islam. I've seen them do it. They're very nuanced.

Thom and reaganite, you are all over it. I was just about to say that.
Sheesh!

#43 evariste
Yeah, but Thom beat me to it!

#39 #42

OK, I can hear that.

-ron

LGF: we av got ye dead ta rights

# 41 j

Considering we were told that extemperaneously by representatives of a local mosque at a "Intro. to Islam" night shortly after 9/11, don't waste your time. The point of the quote (and boy am I sorry I brought it up!) is simply -- do you want to be tied to a ~14th century system or a 21st?

#43 evariste
#44 reaganite

:)

So what constitutes a "young" boy? They don't mention an age.

And for those of you not entirely against the idea of public beheading when it suits your 'morality', do you actually place any trust in the Saudi justice system? I think it's more than possible that charges can be cooked up on anyone for any reason the Saudis see fit.

Also what is the definition of 'sodomy' in Saudi Arabia? Many people seem to assume that it is anal sex, but sodomy can connote any sexual practice that violates laws or codes (religious or civil). In many places in the US, oral sex (heterosexual or homosexual) constitutes sodomy, though Lawrence vs Texas precludes prosecution on those grounds.

Was the death sentence for the kidnapping, the drinking, the rape?

I would certainly consider these factors before commending any decision handed down by Saudi Arabia. And I am happy to live in a country that doesn't punish criminals as spectator sport.

#32 Buckaroo

"In the 1200s a Muslim woman had probably more rights than in any other major religion."

Historian Regine Pernoud would disagree with this, judging by these two reviews of her book "Women in the time of the Cathedrals:

... Studying primary sources, Ms. Pernoud shows that during the feudal era in the Middle Ages, around 1100-1300 AD, women were intelligent, capable, and highly influential citizens, involved in all areas of life, including medical, professional, education, political and administration. Never again have women had such influential roles in their society. As the Renaissance began to grip Europe, and the University of Paris barring women and the resurgence of classical Roman law, the role of women completely diminished.

...In a recent TV programme I was surprised to hear Terry Jones, medieval historian and ex-Monty Python, describe women in the middle ages as merely 'chattels'. This excellent book shows how mistaken this view is. In Regine Pernoud's fascinating book you can read about the many and varied roles that women had in medieval times. here are powerful queens and duchesses, influential nuns, women saints, warriors, writers, doctors, tradeswomen and craftswomen, none of them at all chattel-like. This book shows how a woman like Joan of Arc could become leader of an army, there was nothing unusual in the Middle Ages about a woman taking on such a role. I had never thought before about the invention of the mill as the first great labour-saving device, but of course as Regine Pernoud points out, it freed women from having to spend their days in the back-breaking task of grinding corn by hand, something women still have to do in parts of the world. This is an absoultely enthralling book.

Cy_Kologis, I had a hunch Christian women had lots of rights even much prior to that timeframe but no real info on it. Thanks.
goldsmith, agree with your post completely. I'm pretty sure sodomy=butt sex as far as Islam goes, btw. But everything else, yes, especially on mistrusting the Saudis.
I can't stand that weaselly fuck John R Bradley but I don't believe the Saudis for a second.

I'm no fan of Saudi Arabia or sharia but I have no problem with this sentence.

#52 Morenuancedthanyou

You are missing the point.

#47
I'm just tired of leftists like Linda Herd from Arab News telling us how advanced Islam was because in the 12 century they wipe their butt with the left hand.

Reaganite,

You actually witnessed a beheading? What was it like? Did the head come off in one chop? Was there a lot of blood? Did the victim seem scared? What was the crowd like? Could you please describe the experience?

Thanks,

Zak

#55 Zakwhich

You actually witnessed a beheading?

Actually, it was three. And no, I'm not going to describe it.

I guess I'll have to rent Faces of Death.

Oh well.

:(

#49 goldsmith

Where in the US is sodomy considered the same as oral sex? Facts please.

Or visit [Link: www.rotten.com...]

Sarah D., sodomy is a legal term that may encompass any number of sexual acts, depending on what state you're in.

#49 goldsmith

Where in the US is sodomy considered the same as oral sex? Facts please.,/i>

It only is the same when the person's breath smells like ass.

#49 Goldsmith. "What was the death sentance for" Take your pick of any of the three. When they are trying to make a statement they nail the decapitated body to a wall in an inverted crusafix. Blasphemy results in 3 pieces-an arm, a leg and a torso short an arm and a leg that takes a bit of time to bleed to death. As the execution was in the Asir (south west Arabia) chances are the perpetrators were Yemenis or Asiris. Neither considered as high statutus types in the Magic Kingdom.

Oops, last sentence not supposed to be italicized.

Zakwhich, ROFL!

"Magic Kingdom" ... that's funny.

#58 Sarah D.

Where in the US is sodomy considered the same as oral sex? Facts please.

When I was in high school (early 60's) in Texas, a classmate and her boyfriend were arrested for sodomy. At that time, the law read "any unnatural sex act."

The American Heritage Dictionary says of sodomy:

Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.

Now, that still doesn't answer my question of what states STILL consider oral sex as sodomy.

# 58 Sarah D.:

I believe it's called oral sodomy. Especially in the South, any type of sodomy was a crime, even between husband and wife.

This is old, 1989, but still interesting.

reaganite,

You seem to have led an interesting life in the miltary.
When I was in Viet Nam I didn't see a beheading but I did see a drunk staff sargent drink a bottle of nuoc mam sauce on a bet.

Ohhh, even better:

Etymology: Anglo-French sodomie sexual intercourse between men, from Old French, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom, from the supposed homosexual practices of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1-11
: the crime of oral or anal sexual contact or penetration between persons or of sexual intercourse between a person and an animal; especially : the crime of forcing another person to perform oral or anal sex —sod·om·ize /'sä-d&-"mIz/ transitive verb

Forcing seems to be the operative word when oral is this issue.

What is "nuoc mam sauce?"

Hot sauce of some sort?

#69 Paul

I did see a drunk staff sargent drink a bottle of nuoc mam sauce on a bet.

Hey, don't leave it like that! WHat happened to him. Did he live? does he still smell like dead fish? Can he smell?

#71 Zakwhich

What is "nuoc mam sauce?"

Take some fish guts, leave them in the sun for a few weeks and then bottle it.

It is a fish sauce used in Vietham.

Zakwhich, #71

Nuoc mam is a suace made by fermenting fish. The Vietnamese put sardine sized fish and salt in a screened barrel. The fish ferments in the hot sun and the liquid drips down into a collecting pot. It has a strong smell and is very pungent. The Vieitnamese and the Thais use it extensively in cooking---its actually quite tasty. You can buy it in any Asiatic grocery store.

Yo, I'll stick to my kimche.

[Engineer], #72

I'd rather not go into details but the sargent did live to collect the bet although he didn't feel too well, even his sweat stank of fish for a couple of days.

I have a big bottle of it in my pantry. I wouldn't recommend drinking it...I've never gotten that drunk, but it makes a great fish stock if you don't happen to have the raw parts available.

you can bet $50 dollar oil that if three "royal princes" were caught doing this they would be expelled to geneva--asiris are like the hillbillies of s.a so this was punishment for a "deliverance" type violation--they are laughed at as unsophisticated -"zero sevens"-their area code- and are like holy roller country bumpkins to the degenerarates in riyahd--meanwhile wahabbism and jihadism has such a grip on this area of arabia that many of the 9/11 hi jackers came from there--we should j dam king khalid university there and we'd all sleep better at night--maybe it was night in the moonless hills and the drunken 'rabarians thought the little boy was a goat--anyhow the punishment for non royal short-eyes is the chop-- so move on--nothing to see

Sarah D.

Well, I have to go commit some indecent acts myself, but I did a quick search. For instance, North Carolina has a wonderfully vague definition of sexual badness that was applicable to both homo and heterosexuals, and was (as you can see by the initial cite) based on Henry VIIIs law of 1533, as are many such statutes.

There's also Alabama:

Section 13A-6-65  Sexual misconduct.

(a) A person commits the crime of sexual misconduct if:3. He or she engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another person under circumstances other than those covered by Sections 13A-6-63 and 13A-6-64. Consent is no defense to a prosecution under this subdivision.

Louisiana:

The unnatural carnal copulation by a human being with another of the same or opposite sex or with an animal, except that anal sexual intercourse between two human beings shall not be deemed as a crime against nature when done under any of the circumstances described in R.S. 14:41, 14:42, 14:42.1 or 14:43. Emission is not necessary; and, when committed by a human being with another, the use of the genital organ of one of the offenders of whatever sex is sufficient to constitute the crime.

Utah:

76-5-403. Sodomy, Forcible sodomy

(1) A person commits sodomy when the actor engages in any sexual act with a person who is 14 years of age or older involving the genitals of one person and mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant.

This is all historical, as all of these statues (and the ones I haven't listed) have been invalidated by Lawrence vs Texas. For more legal fun regarding butt and mouth sex, try Sodomy Laws, which is a very thorough, accurate and happily biased source.

Their page about Saudi Arabia's sodomy 'laws' is a real laugh riot, especially when compared to the torturous lists of citations, amendments, legal proceedings and precedents of the US state codes:

Saudi Arabia

Statute:

Penalty: Death

Restrictions:

On Topic

Heart warming Arab News story from June, about Saudi Arabia's chief head-chopper, a regular family guy!

JEDDAH, 5 June 2003 — Saudi Arabia’s leading executioner Muhammad Saad Al-Beshi will behead up to seven people in a day.

“It doesn’t matter to me: Two, four, 10 — As long as I’m doing God’s will, it doesn’t matter how many people I execute,” he told Okaz newspaper in an interview.

...

His first job came in 1998 in Jeddah. “The criminal was tied and blindfolded. With one stroke of the sword I severed his head. It rolled meters away.” Of course he was nervous, then, he says, as many people were watching, but now stage fright is a thing of the past.

He says he is calm at work because he is doing God’s work. “But there are many people who faint when they witness an execution. I don’t know why they come and watch if they don’t have the stomach for it.

“Me? I sleep very well,” he adds.

...

He has executed numerous women without hesitation, he explains. “Despite the fact that I hate violence against women, when it comes to God’s will, I have to carry it out.”

There is no great difference between executing men and women, except that the women wear hijab, and nobody is allowed near them except Al-Beshi himself when the time for execution comes.

...

An executioner’s life, of course, is not all killing. Sometimes it can be amputation of hands and legs. “I use a special sharp knife, not a sword,” he explains. “When I cut off a hand I cut it from the joint. If it is a leg the authorities specify where it is to be taken off, so I follow that.”

Al-Beshi describes himself as a family man. Married before he became an executioner, his wife did not object to his chosen profession. “She only asked me to think carefully before committing myself,” he recalls. “But I don’t think she’s afraid of me,” he smiles. “I deal with my family with kindness and love. They aren’t afraid when I come back from an execution. Sometimes they help me clean my sword.”

A father of seven, he is a proud grandfather already. “I have a married daughter who has a son. He is called Haza, and he’s my pride and joy. And then there are my sons. The oldest one is Saad, and of course there is Musaed, who’ll be the next executioner,” he adds.

#80

Gawd ... that's just so touching. The loving family of executioners. It's beautiful, man. I can see the children arguing over who gets to wash daddy's sword when he comes home from work.

'Wack the Iraq' boardwalk arcade criticized as anti-Arab

#79 goldsmith

Ok other than Utah's vague description...I still don't see the reference to oral sex as sodomy.

person commits sodomy when the actor engages in any sexual act with a person who is 14 years of age or older involving the genitals of one person and mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant.

I would hardly call that a vague description. So what's your point anyway? Is this a legal argument or a common usage argument? Frankly, I've lost track. If you're still claiming that no state code in the US has ever defined sodomy legally as oral sex between opposite sex partners, you're wrong.

If you're trying to say that when most people speak of sodomy, they're talking about (as the cunning linguist evariste so delicately puts it) butt sex, well you're partially right. But I thought the argument was that the term sodomy was (or has been) defined in a broad way to encompass whatever the legal and social mores of the time deemed "acts against nature", and has not been strictly limited to 'butt-sex' or 'butt-sex between boys'.

Somehow I think my date isn't going to accept this argument as a legitimate reason for tardiness, whatever his fondness for the subject may be, so I'm afraid I have to run.

Butty boy, butty boy! /ali g.

Islam=MEMBLA

Actually I was thinking that regardless of how much you want to dig thru old laws (Georgia still has one that states pig stealing as a hanging offense) there is NO state that actively prosecutes for oral sex. We just had that big debacle over sodomy in Texas (?), but NO issue over oral sex. So, the issue here really IS as evariste put so nicely "butt sex" and between a man and an adolescent. This is NOT consensual "butt sex" between two men. This is the invasion of a small person by a big one. Ewww.

So when you say:

Also what is the definition of 'sodomy' in Saudi Arabia? Many people seem to assume that it is anal sex, but sodomy can connote any sexual practice that violates laws or codes (religious or civil).

We KNOW that it is either forcing the adolescent to take it or blow it (seeing as the adolescent is male, we now where he is taking it). From what I understand of Arab practices, it is the latter.

While no law in the US specifically targets oral sex, ANY sex with an adolescent is ILLEGAL.

So, let us do away with the "nuances" of the sex laws in this country.

And on that, goodnight all.

Remember all those articles claiming that beheading is “un-Islamic,”

Islam is unislamic

This thread perfectly exemplifies what I love so much about LGF -- it bounces from capital punishment in Shoddy Arabia to the vagaries of state sodomy statutes in the U.S. to Vietnamese/Thai fish sauce. Taking those in reverse order:

1) As some have already said, Asian fish sauce by any name is intimidating to smell (let alone taste) at full strength, but it's a wonderful and surprisingly subtle cooking ingredient. And not just for Asian cooking, either -- you can use it as you would anchovies for Italian and other Mediterranean cuisines. Any strong, savory sauce can benefit from a splash of it, in my opinion, including homemade BBQ sauces.

2) The last time I checked (maybe 10 years ago), the UCMJ statute on sodomy barred both anal and oral sex and was neutral with respect to the participants' gender and marital status. In theory, it was (and I think still is) a prosecutable offense for a male servicemember to perform cunnilingus on his wife, with her consent, in the privacy of their bedroom. I remember reading of case (again, about 10 years ago) in which a soldier was actually prosecuted under the UCMJ for consensual, marital oral sex. (I think the couple was caught in the back seat of a car, or something like that, but whichever of them was the servicemember actually got charged for the oral sex, not just for semi-public indecency.)

3) Gymnast hinted at it with the reference to the low status of Yemeni Arabs in S.A., but most folks seem to have missed the possibility that these three jokers earned their cranial amputations not by sodomizing a young boy, but by sodomizing the wrong young boy -- one from a higher "caste," so to speak.

Re: Asian Fish Sauce

I tried to make Pad Thai noodles back when I was in college. This was to impress a first-date.

I must have added too much fish sauce because the whole apartment smelled like the shithouse floor on a tuna clipper. We ended up getting some Greek food at Evelyn's down the street.

We did date for a few months, although I can not recall if I sodomized her or not.

#90 RightIsRight

My guess is that you never got the chance to...the stench probably ran her off.

Had a Laosian(sp) neighbor once. I swear that every time she cooked, which was every day, it smelled like a boiled fish head. Must have had a big bottle if fish juice.

Sarah,

My two roommates wanted to castrate me. It took two days of open windows and Lysol to clear the place.

BTW, did your parents have a good time in Sturgis?

Laotian, Sarah :-)

Obviously, the Muslims who said beheading is un-islamic were liars. Let's move on.

IF it really was a case of anal rape, (and given Saudi-style justice I would not take it for granted) then I have no problem with the execution or the way it was done. Heck, it might do a world of good if we started to use that method here on known, verified child rapists.

As for nuc-mam, is it anything like worchestershire sauce? That is made with anchovies. Just curious.

#92 RightIsRight

Yes sir, they did. And brought me the t-shirts to prove it. Thanks for asking.

As for nuc-mam, is it anything like worchestershire sauce? That is made with anchovies. Just curious.

It's best described as "anchovy squeezin's," actually, so not quite like worcestershire sauce. However, the fact that anchovy is a key flavor component of something that Westerners will put on steak just goes to show why you shouldn't be scared of nuc-mam as a sauce additive.

I like to add a strip of anchovy to any recipe that starts with "saute chopped onions and garlic in oil." The anchovy practically dissolves into the oil and the flavor blends right in. You can use Asian fish sauce the same way.

Interesting, Throbert. I always wondered if anchovies could profitably be used in cooking, having decided that they were a completely terrible pizza topping.

Evariste, the thing is that when you use anchovies as a pizza topping, you're faced with these entire slabs of oily fishiness with the fine little bones that feel like hairs on your tongue... gah!

But add a couple strips of anchovy to the pizza sauce (or spaghetti sauce) while you're cooking it and the results are mmmgood.

Another thing I like to do: Buy a medium can (12-15 oz, something like that) of pitted black olives. Drain about half the liquid off and then chuck 'em in a blender with a few garlic cloves. Puree until you've got a nice brownish-black goop that can be spread thinly on toast, used as a pesto sauce to coat angel hair pasta, or added to sauces -- just decrease the amount of salt you put in, since the olive puree is already salty.

You can also mix in green olives to your taste; the name for this olive/garlic puree is tapanade.

Throbert, LOL! I always buy tapenades for too much money, never realized it was that easy to make :-) Thank you so much.

I have this odd vision of multi-culturalism...French moslems ...Didn't the Paris grand Mosque used to be a cathedral? -Notre something... and of course the guillotine... can't quite make it out...the future?
JWM

Throbert's right, anchovies are a much-maligned but IMHO essential element to cooking almost any dish. The ones I use are little anchovy fillets packed in oil- no bones, no heads or tails. If you add one or two to your food at the beginning of the cooking process, they just disappear. They add a complexity and a depth to the flavor; like Worcestershire sauce, they don't taste fishy when used in this way. I learned about the joys of anchovies from the great Jennifer Patterson (pbuh) of 'Two Fat Ladies' fame.

While we're on the subject of unexpected ingredients in cooking, shave a little nutmeg (buy whole ones and a shaver) into tomato-based pasta sauce at the beginning of cooking. If used sparingly (!) it works in the same subtle way that anchovy does (add anchovy fillets to the pasta sauce too). And remember that the PASTA is the star of a pasta dish, so don't drown it in too much sauce!

Maybe we should start a LGF cooking thread. I happen to like anchovy on pizza, but I am the only one in my office.

Throbert, LOL! I always buy tapenades for too much money, never realized it was that easy to make :-) Thank you so much.

Evariste, capers are sometimes added to the mix, too. And, yes, I've added a li'l bit of anchovy when pureeing the olives and garlic.

I didn't know you cooked, Rugby!

Capers! God, we are speaking of sublime things at the end of this thread about decapitation. I love capers. Love love love!

Which head do they cut off? Could be a good opening for a mohel?

Wow, what a turn this thread made! I happen to love anchovies on my pizza!

goldsmith and Throbert: I guess I'm lazy, I buy the tubes of anchovy paste to add to sauces ;)

Islamic Justice

Hear the deafening silence of the 1 billion muslims worldwide, who are in a vigorous fit of inactivity, calmly pretending not to know. But, the balance 5/6th of the world, (1.5 billion Christians, 1.1 billion Taoists, 1 billion Hindus, 700 million Bhuddists and others) can do something to stop this barbarism of the middle-east.

No matter how much Muslims punish homosexuality, you will still see gays and lesbians marching in Palestinian parades. It boggles the mind.

No problem with beaheading per se; big problem with the legitimacy of the trial and the hypocrisy of Moslems.

I am a capers-eating fiend, but I always just eat them with lox. I never really thought about where else I might eat them. When I make a tapenade I'll be sure to dump some capers in there too. Sounds delicious.