Disgusting. AP=5th Column. I hope these guys get life in prison, or worse.

"Activists". You mean, they were carrying peace placards?

Well, blowing up a bus is an ACTIVITY, I suppose, but calling them ACTIVISTS leaves out the key part that the goal of these folks is for other people to end up dead.

But remember, not all Muslims are - um - "activists"!

Ghengis Khan was a militant. Hitler, an activist.

Yeah...I read that earlier today...disgusting isn't it? Why is it that no one uses the word "terrorist" anymore? it is like they are an endangered species or something. If anything they are like roaches.

OT: Israel unveils new tank...Merkava 4 Mk4

OMG what a tank!

Andrew B.

How does the Italian press report the activities of mafiosi when they're caught? Does it call them "militants" and "activists"?

Imagine the firestorm if someone started calling Hamas et al "subversives." Witch hunt! McCarthyites! Bad bad bad!

Goes both ways I guess. I refuse to call the AP, the Associated Press. More like Allah's Press or A**holes Press.

OT:

"activists" prepare for RNC in NYC

[Link: www.unitedmedia.com...]

From the article,

Hamas has been blamed for dozens of suicide bombings in Israel.

But only when Hamas does not brag about them, and issue statements taking 'credit' for them.

Early OT, but worth (so to speak) mentioning:

You're welcome, fuckers.

Islogic in action:

The players said they were grateful that Saddam Hussein's son, Uday, was no longer in charge of the country's Olympians, SI.com reported. He had tortured players for playing badly. U.S. troops killed him last year in Mosul.

Still, the team's coach said the ad was inappropriate and that the team does not support the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

Fuck you, swine.

We're fighting for le grand neant, I'm afraid.

Here's more reason to quake in your boots: US musicians working to defeat Bush -- among them, Sheryl Crow.

Please tell me Lance Armstrong isn't an idiotarian, too.

What is the AP going to call the anarchist rioters at the Repuplican Convention? Possibilities include "unhappy citizens", "peace scouts for a better America" "alternative freedom seekers" or "our kind of people". Probably, if the cops do their job, the demonstrators will be "innocent victums and injured children".

I'm not as bothered by the term militant as much, as it as least implies a tendency towards violence.

But "activist"? The people that went into the South in the 50s and 60s to register voters were activists.

Somebody at the Sierra Club who files a lawsuit to stop a housing development is an activist. A member of the ELF who burns down the development is not an activist.

This really is an insult to all people "active" in a non-violent manner in politics and their communities, no matter what their political affiliation.

Definition of "activist"

Definition of "activism"

Definition of "terrorist"

Definition of "terrorism"

Will someone please send these definitions to the AP, Reuters, AFP, al-Jazeera, CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC, The Guardian, The New York Times, Washington Post, Salon.com, NPR, ISM (International Solidarity Movement) etc...

Andrew B.

Is al Sadr dead yet?

Q--yeah, I posted a link to that story on the Poland thread. As I said there, although I think we were right to go into Iraq, I fear that we may have nothing but deposing Saddam to show for it. Gratitude will be fleeting at best, and they will end up creating another shariah hell-hole. On our blood and money.

OT

Headline from Drudge

The Kerry campaign calls on a publisher to 'withdraw book' written by group of veterans, claiming veterans are lying about Kerry's service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for Bush. Kerry campaign has told Salon.com that the publisher of UNFIT FOR COMMAND is 'retailing a hoax'... 'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag... Developing...

KERRY CAMPAIGN CALLS FOR BOOK BAN

A dead activist is just as good as a dead terrorist.

OT/

I was listening to NPR on my drive home last night and they were discussing Sudan with a former State Department official. Sorry, can't remember who. They went to great lengths to describe the wholesale slaughter in the Darfur region. It was pretty accurate, IIRC.

After some time the host, who was filling in for Diane Reem, asked is there was any Militant Islamic activity in the region. I almost put my fist through my new car stereo. What had they been describing for the past 15 minutes? Arrghh!

They just don't get it, and probably never will.

/venting to those who understand.

Didn't the US have Marzook under arrest at one time and deport him to Jordan?

Gee, I wonder what LLL President did that...

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I'm not the only person at LGF (someone agreed w/ me) that Dan Rather et ux will use violence at the RNC as part of the meme about GWB being the most divisive President in history, etc., etc. I'm expecting to see favorable comparisons to the "activists" in Chicago in 1968. I fully expect footage to be edited to minimize the role of the eye-brow pierced tattooed bongo playing and urine throwing freaks, and maximized to show the few normal appearing protestors, and the money shot they'll prize is a cop swinging a baton at a normal looking citizen, preferably a senior citizen.

#14, on the topic of ELF:

They burned down some houses around here a year or so back. Eventually, though, they're going to pick the wrong place, and one of them will die of a brain hemorrhage. A 9-mm one.

Jumpin' Jiminy Cricket on a pogo stick! LOOK at that tank! No way on G-d's Green Earth that I am gonna stand in front of that thing and throw a rock!

Andrew, most of those "definitions" are tautologies. Here's a less tautological definition, FWIW:

terror = a non-citzen's deliberate use of violence against civilian targets to achieve political and/or religious goals

If you're a citizen and you do the above, you're a criminal under the law. If you attack military targets, you're an enemy combatant.

terrorist = someone who does the above

terrorism = what terrorists do

Isn't this SoCalJustice's hat tip?

Assist: Mr. Pol and zulubaby.

If I were a real activist, I'd be campaigning to take that term back.

But of course many activists don't believe that Hamas is a terrorist group. Or they weasel out of condemning it by pointing to its charitable activities.

Charitable or not, there will be no peace until Hamas is destroyed. And it must be destroyed through a Palestinian civil war, led by a strong, decisive leader i.e. not Arafat. As that is exceedingly unlikely, we can assume that true peace cannot be achieved within any forseeable time frame. If the world took its collective head out of its ass for one minute, it would see this clearly.

I'm in a bad mood this morning - I heard an interview with Jose Ramos Horta, the Nobel laureate from East Timor, which is part of the coalition in Iraq. His comments on Iraq were cogent, lucid and on the mark about what had to be done there. He took a hard line against terrorism and said specifically that he could not have been part of the East Timorese liberation movement if it had targeted Indonesian civilians.

But then he goes into the tired old argument about how the US needs to put pressure on Israel to stop the killing and that this is what's needed to win friends in the Arab world etc. with no mention whatsoever about how Palestinians violate every day the principles which he says are so important to him. It just makes you want to puke. Arab propaganda over decades has just overwhelmed people to the point where it is now conventional wisdom, even among people who seem to have the right instincts.

(#26) mommydoc

Nah, zulubaby's the one who spotted the AP's "activist" ridiculousness.

#12 godfrey

OT Political rock stars make me sick, says Alice Cooper

It's a subscription link but here are some quaint phrases.

The shock-rocker, a staunch Republican who attends NBA games in Phoenix with Arizona Senator John McCain, was disgusted when he learned of plans by Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, R.E.M. and other bands to hold a series of concerts aimed at unseating U.S. President George W. Bush.

"To me, that's treason. I call it treason against rock 'n' roll, because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics," says the 56-year-old Cooper

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick.

"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Wall Street Journal."

"Everyone thinks if you're in rock, you're a liberal, and that's absolutely not true. I know more people who are pro-Bush," he says. "Besides, when I read the list of people who are supporting Kerry, if I wasn't already a Bush supporter, I would have immediately switched. Linda Ronstadt? Don Henley? Geez, that's a good reason right there to vote for Bush."

mommydoc (#17):

Gratitude will be fleeting at best

If that. Gratitude, love, respect -- indeed, altruism of any kind does not and cannot exist in the Islamic Antiverse. Our blood and money would be much better spent on securing the oil fields for ourselves.

#22 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

More on the NYC RNC activists.

Now, because of you, Lower East Side bodegas, Greenwich Village tattoo parlors and some of the city's many glorious cheap-eats places will be overflowing. Vibrant ethnic neighborhoods like Brooklyn's Sunset Park and Sunnyside in Queens will play host to you, and while you sleep late after a long evening of party protesting, its residents will be trudging uncomplainingly off to work at the capitalist enterprises that seem to cause you such ideological distress.

snip

We do have a problem with terrorism, though, and if you try to do something cute like let off a stink bomb in a Herald Square crowd to create a WMD panic, your life won't be worth a plug nickel.

Very good, read it all!

One of these fuckers came into the country as a graduate student at Ole Miss.

No university of immune from this subhuman scum.

Not too long after September 11th, I took my little boy to the bathroom in the Union before a football game. The bulletin boards were plastered with vile anti-Israel propaganda, which I promptly tore down and stuffed into the nearest garbage can.

Even those old fuckers standing around with their toddies stopped staring at the football games playing on the TV long enough to wonder what in the world that little woman was doing grunting and tearing papers off the walls. It was all I could do to refrain from screaming WAKE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

#32 lazytart

You crack me up...I like your style.

#8 hepcat. I absolutely adore the name for Associated Press: Allah's Press. Can we officially adopt this name in all further discussions. Does anyone else agree that it is fabulous?!?!?!

Marzook is one of the founders of the Hamas front group Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), which is also linked to CAIR.

Thanks, Charles.

SoCalJustice, I'd share a hat tip with you any day. In fact, you can have most of it ;-)

How I hate the media. The AP is the worst though, they go out of their way to distort. I've noticed too, in the Yahoo! slideshows, that the worst pictures have

(AP Photo / Kevin Frayer)

I'm sure the Palestinians consider him one of their "brothers".

using the AP model , I thought I would list some historical " activists"

Osama Ben Laden
Timothy Mcvay
Terry Nichols
Abu Nidal
Carlos the Jackal

funny thing about these "activists"...I don't see where any of them were actually "active" in anyone's political process!!

What is wrong with the US Marine Corps.Marine Corps Press Release: "Islam: a peaceful religion at the core"MARINE CORPS AIR STATION MIRAMAR, Calif.(Aug. 19, 2004) -- Religion is a powerful subject. Many have strong opinions, while others chose to avoid even the knowledge of such. The strength and determination religion brings to those who believe can be seen throughout the world in an array of forms from good faith to assassination.

In Iraq, the war is brutal and said to be a holy war amongst Muslims. Of course, 95 percent of the population in Iraq is indeed Muslim. But, 80 percent of all Muslims are not Arabs. There are more found in Indonesia, a large minority in China and about five million right here in the United States.

A Muslim is a person who submits to the will of Allah. To a Muslim, Allah is the only divine and worshipful being. They believe he is the God for all Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and even atheists. Islam, with the root word meaning peace, is the actual submission process and has five pillars...

Jihad, meaning struggle in Arabic, is allowed when fighting for religion and in self-defense. So, there it is, a holy war where each party truly believes they are right according to a religion passed down from generation to generation. A non-discriminatory religion of peace, torn by power, under one God, known to Muslims as Allah.

A non-discriminatory religion of peace" ?
Yeah right, let's just ignore 1400 years of history...
Who was the idiot who wrote this crap?

The above was a cut and paste job.

A non-discriminatory religion of peace" ?The above was a cut and paste job.

Hamas "Activists," heh.

This reminds me ... in the Moonbat War Council thread, papijoe linked to this piece by noted moonbat Starhawk:

I cannot stand with an Israel that tortures prisoners, an Israel that has mounted a restrictive and dehumanizing occupation, that assassinates political leaders as a matter of policy, that has cut down ancient olive groves to destroy the livelihood of the Palestinians, that is daily committing war crimes: refusing medical care to the wounded, firing on journalists and peace demonstrators, bombing civilians, destroying homes

Let's get it straight, folks. Hamas members are terrorists activists, and their bosses are terrorist masterminds political leaders.

Re: My #14

Actually, a divisive President isn't, by definition, a bad thing.

Abraham Lincoln, by definition (mine, anyway), was the most divisive President in US history.

If almost half the American public, spoonfed pre-digested pablum from the MSM doesn't see the terrorist threat, and a large subset of that group sees Bush as an equal threat to bin Laden or Saddam, well, by definition, an effective President will be divisive.

AP would call a Palestinian who abused a child to death a "stern disciplinarian."

#37 Eric Mudasi

That is posted on Jihad Watch, and there is some suspicion it is a hoax...I clicked on the link and it doesn't seem to be on Marine letterhead, and there was no contact info-seems a little fishy.

In 1981, Marzook founded the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) in Richardson, Texas. Throughout the decade, the organization featured Hamas terrorists and radical clerics as keynote speakers at its annual gatherings...

One of the IAP’s most prominent spinoffs is the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). A vehement critic of the Bush administration’s policies in the war on terror, CAIR was formed by two IAP officials, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, the latter of whom has openly pledged his support for Hamas...

President Bush’s designation of Marzook as a global terrorist leaves no doubt that American Muslim groups like IAP and CAIR that he helped to create are fundamentally based on extremist ideologies and form an integral part of an international terrorist support network. It should be no surprise that these groups routinely defend those who commit such egregious acts and attack the policies that are designed to prevent them.

I think it's better that the Left go completely nuts in public than restrain itself--this way the country can see where the political opposition leads. Their behavior and rhetoric will do in 2004 what it did in 1968--totally alienate most Americans socially and politically. Trouble is, W won't take advantage of it the way Nixon did; W is soft that way.

#39 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

Yeah, Lincoln lied and 650,000 people died. He promised us that the war was to "Preserve The Union". (I'll just use PTU hence forth). So he goes to war for PTU and lo and behold, he springs emacipation on us??? WTF, here we are fighting for PTU and he free's the slaves. That's not the reason he gave for going to war!

So here we are in the election of 1864 and the Democratic nominee is decorated general McClellan. Gen. McClellan is promising to bring our boys home and all he has to do is appease the Confederates. He just has to cancel this "freeing of the slaves" thing and all will be peaceful.

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Kinda strange how history is repeating itself.

This is probably the first thing I have ever appreciated done by Ashcroft.

Ben Yehuda

(#45) HBY

What about the al-Arian indictment in 2003?

That's fine DOJ work too - and Reno never indicted him, even though the investigation started way back in 1995.

And she's from Florida. She should have made that a priority.

And what about the Infocom conviction and the HLF indictment last month?

I say this as a Democrat who was freaked out about Ashcroft becoming AG as well. But his record on fighting Palestinian terrorists and their front groups is much, much better than the previous administration.

And it's not about timing, it's about political will. Because Hamas and Islamic jihad have been doing this stuff here for years.

But to give credit where credit is due, it was the Clinton administration that named these groups as specially designated terrorist organizations back in 1996.

This has been a great summer for the law enforcement side to the War on Terror, and Ashcroft should get some credit for that.

#45 Herschel Ben Yehuda

Why?

Findlaw has a copy of the indictment[PDF]

Three cheers for Attorney General John Ashcroft, and for the good people working under him, for their outstanding efforts in the war on terror.

And his successes are exactly the reason that the terrorist-enabling crowd (e.g. CAIR) seek to demonize him and his hardworking people.

Their taqiya should not distract people from the basic fact that Ashcroft and his people are getting results.

The whole Bush team deserves credit for pursuing the war on terror, something that the Democrats could not effectively do; they don't have the stomach for such a war. Ask Ed Koch. A lifelong Democrat.

Here is former NYC mayor Ed Koch:
[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Now, for the first time in my life, I am going to vote for a Republican candidate for president, the incumbent George W. Bush.

.. my position as to why I support President Bush for reelection. I support him because of the Bush Doctrine -- "We will go after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them." He has demonstrated that he means it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, both threats to their regions and to the U.S. I do not believe that the Democratic Party, which is now dominated by those who preferred Governor Dean for president but decided he could not win, has the stomach to take on worldwide terrorism. Indeed, a New York Times-CBS poll of the delegates at the Boston Convention demonstrated their opposition to John Kerry's position which is not to get out of Iraq now. It is the party activists whom the candidate has to rely on to get elected and whose positions generally prevail.