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Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 6:47:56 pm PDT

The Associated Press would like us to know that Hamas kingpin Mousa Abu Marzook, on the lam from US justice in Damascus, has denied all the charges against him.

DAMASCUS, Syria - A senior official of the Palestinian militant group Hamas indicted in the United States for conspiring to fund terror attacks against Israel denied the accusations and said the charges were driven by election-year politics in the United States.

“This is election campaigning,” Mousa Abu Marzook, deputy chief of the Hamas political bureau, told The Associated Press in Damascus on Friday. “They (U.S. officials) want to say to the American public that they are succeeding in fighting terrorism.

“Every week they come up with a new case before the American public, but these (the cases) are drawn from files that are tens of years old,” he said.

Speaking by telephone from Damascus, where he has been living for several years, Abu Marzook said he had “nothing to do with” the accusations.

The AP, of course, isn’t going to mention Marzook’s connection to the Council on American Islamic Relations, the noted Muslim American “civil rights group.”

Here’s one article (out of hundreds) with the information about Marzook that’s missing from this AP story. Mousa Abu Marzook is the founder of The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, and the founder of CAIR’s parent organization, the Islamic Association for Palestine: The CAIR-Terror Connection.

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1 Furious J  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 4:53:11pm

Well, he comes close to saying that the charges are the work of "Republican operatives." The jihadis media savvy is a force to be reckoned with:

“This is election campaigning,”
2 SoCalJustice  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:01:43pm

Yesterday, the Chicago Tribune interviewed the current head of the Islamic Association for Palestine (and a Cynthia McKinney $1000 donor) for their follow up on this story, and failed to mention what IAP is.

"[Salah] has been just like any other member of the mosque, living and praying in the community. I saw him yesterday or the day before," said Rafeeq Jaber , a board member of the Mosque Foundation and president of the Islamic Association of Palestine.

Jaber called the allegations against Salah laughable but predictable. And like many people at prayers Friday, he said Ashcroft engineered Salah's indictment in an attempt to help the Bush administration politically.

"They obviously cannot find anything against Muslims in the war on terror, so they go after Muslims supporting the Palestinians," he said. "How dangerous is this man? He's been living here for 30 years, and now he can't even find a job to make a living."

Nothing about IAP being a Hamas front. Chicago Tribune = cowards/propagandists.

3 Orbit Rain  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:24:21pm

...yes, the Tribune company too has become a bunch of lying un-American bastards. As for all the Abu's, hunt them, kill them.

4 dchamil  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:25:30pm

OT - I don't know if Jews record martyrs for their faith,
but certainly Daniel Pearl was a martyr for his faith, and
so were Paul Johnson and the others. It is an outrage
that the Main Stream Media describe the Palestinian
suicide bombers as martyrs. To become acquainted
with martyrs, read "The Bloody Theater, or the Martyrs
Mirror of the Defenseless Christians" by Thieleman van
Braght, 1660. - David C. Hamilton, presbyterian.

5 mkanderson  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:31:21pm

Just the fact that he's in Damascus is an indictment.

6 Megan  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:43:44pm
“Every week they come up with a new case before the American public, but these (the cases) are drawn from files that are tens of years old,” he said.


Who does he think he is, Howard Dean?

7 Beagle  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:46:54pm

He must be innocent then. If he were guilty he'd throw himself on the mercy of the court and apologize for years of Jew-hating.

/head injury

8 foreign devil  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:50:33pm

"...has denied all the charges against him..."

What else would he do?

9 rorschach  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 5:51:25pm

Lie, Deny, Distract...


Oh, BTW, we will bury you.


/islamists

10 Cornholio  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:09:46pm

Is it just me, or is like half of CAIR's leadership now in jail or under indictment? Would be fun to see a list of all CAIR members charged /convicted with terror-related crimes.

Totally utterly OT: Just got a new Cornholiomobile today. Stay off the sidewalks :-p

12 z  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:24:29pm

Does information like this have a shelf-life that after it passes it is no longer good, or if you commit a crime and so many years go by it doesn't matter?

“Every week they come up with a new case before the American public, but these (the cases) are drawn from files that are tens of years old,” he said.
13 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:27:46pm

#11 Zulubaby

What? They say Arabs can't handle their own regional affairs? That sounds like racism and Islamophobia to me.

/Nodrog

14 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:39:29pm

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus, who knew, eh? ;-) Read on ...

Dr. Gehad Auda, a political strategist at the Emirates Centre for Strategic Studies and Research (ECSSR) in Abu Dhabi says that by rejecting UN Resolution 1556 the Arab League has "lost its moral stance" on other issues.

"Arabs always condemn Israel because it rejects UN resolutions and its army collaborates with settlers who want to take lands from their lawful owners," he said. "Yet that is exactly what is going on in Sudan right now."

More Muslims were killed in Darfur by Arab militias in the last year than have been killed by Israeli bullets since the start of the Palestinian Intifadah in September 2000. Arab silence on the atrocities against black African Muslims has led to charges of racism and genocide.

Auda says racism could be a factor behind the Arab League's foot-dragging, but said it was more likely that the organisation's internal conflicts were diluting the efforts of a handful of Arab states and non-governmental organisations (NGOs). Disputes between League members have paralysed the organisation in recent years and left it unable to forge a united stand on many issues.

I can't stand it that mainstream media carries this disgusting propaganda, and if Kofi got off his ass and did some actual work once in a while, 50,000 Sudanese may still be alive. Instead he, along with his Arab brothers, continues to obsess about the fact that Jews breath. So obsessed that they can think of little else. People are being slaughtered and blown up all over the world and they're more interested in labeling produce from Israel 'cos they can't get us to wear yellow stars anymore. The world has turned to crap.

15 Beagle  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:39:47pm

#11 zulubaby

Someone thought the Arabs were capable of handling their own regional affairs? That's news to me.

16 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 6:40:59pm

Beagle, yeah, just ask Kofi, he thinks they're the best!

17 Andy in Agoura Hills  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:01:32pm

Well, let's check out Kerry's anti-terrorism plan.

18 Beagle  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:11:41pm

AP is all over the Swift Vets now, for Kerry
I hope Chris Matthews, Lanny Davis, and Susan Estrich can be properly medicated, and read this article, before they go on TV again.

Any minute now Kerry will be telling MoveOn to stop their attacks on President Bush.

/thinking Kerry might know hypocrisy is bad



At a fund-raiser attended by about 750 people, Kerry said the attacks by a group of Vietnam veterans and former Swift Boat commanders have intensified "because in the last months they have seen me climbing in America's understanding that I know how to fight a smarter and more effective war" against terrorists.

"That's why they're attacking my credibility. That's why they've personally gone after me. The president needs to stand up and stop that. The president needs to have the courage to talk about it."


If President Bush does talk about it he will bolster Kerry's charges where he claims Bush violated the campaign laws concerning cooperating with 527 committees. GWB has condemned all the tens of millions raised by these committees, mostly for Democrats. But, by the MSM rules of unfairness, this cannot be mentioned. That might add some balance to this Bush hit piece.

19 SoCalJustice  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:12:14pm

(#11) zulubaby

Yeah, he has to slam Israel to retain his "credibility" amongst Arabs. Typical.

But speaking of Darfur, tomorrow's NY Times piece on Sudan is really going to piss CAIR off:

Religion Feeds Sudan's Fire

FURBURANGA, Sudan - In the war-torn Darfur region of Sudan, the killers pray toward Mecca.

That might be my favorite start to a newspaper article, ever.

It continues:

The million displaced people do as well. Marauding men on horseback, the women raped by them, the rebels who incited the fighting and the politicians, soldiers and police officers who have failed to control it, nearly all are Muslim.

[...]

Inside the mosques of Khartoum, which follow the Sunni branch of Islam, there has been plenty of discussion about Darfur but little success at finding a way to end the bloodshed. No religious leader has yet publicly chastised the combatants, either Arab or African. But America-bashing, long a theme at Friday Prayer, is as fierce as ever.

"We caution our people in Sudan and our people in western Sudan against trusting the U.S.A., that it wants to help them," an imam, Abd-al-Jalil al-Nathir al-Karuri, said in a sermon broadcast on television in early August. "What is being done now is for the interests of one country - Israel."

They're so obsessed. Almost as obsessed as the Middle Eastern Studies department of Columbia or Berkeley.

20 Crill  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:21:31pm

Election campaigning? Does he honestly think the American public knows who he is?

21 rusta  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:34:32pm

After years of praying in a tent, Muslims in Irvine finally are getting a real mosque.

From an article in OC Register, sorry you have to log in

In the OC I don't even see tents when Ringling Bros. and Barnum Bailey come to town.
The article later states that services have been held at the Irvine Marriot Hotel contridicting the headline.


the Koran supersedes the Bible.
Islamic ethical standards parallel those of Christians and Jews.

Additional whoppers in this article most likely spoon fed to a Register reporter from CAIR in Anaheim which also was mentioned in the article as a Civial Rights Group

22 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:37:01pm

#19 SoCalJustice 8/21/2004 09:12PM PST

hardly mentions the slaughter of the christians and animists

23 Mashiki  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:37:36pm

Not a surprise. It's the 'evil' Americans and their 'Zionist' puppet masters doing this all. I am but a simple man!

Let me roll my eyes and drink! lol

Cheers all, I'm going off and get some sleep. G'night!

24 Innismir  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:39:28pm

Those misunderstood mullahs in Iran have shown the world once again that they are a peace loving and devout people...

by hanging a 16 year old for having a "Sharp Tounge".


[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

Yikes

Apologies if this is a repost.

25 bbcrackmonkey  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:47:44pm

Innismere, not only that, but it's a 16 year old girl, and it looks like she was the victim of a rape.

26 Reza  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:49:28pm

The racial and religious bigotry of most of the people posting here is truely astounding. You cheer and rejoice every time another innocent Muslim is persecuted by intolerant Western governments, regardless of the fact that most such victims eventually are released for lack of evidence after the desired media propaganda storm has been stirred up. Furthermore, almost never are the accused Muslims charged with any overt acts of violence. Rather, they are seized for falling afoul of trivial bureaucratic regulations established precisely for the purpose of entrapping the innocent.

The road to peace is obvious and wide open. Simply stop warring against Almighty Allah (swt) and stop oppressing and abusing Muslims. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, every one of whom is praying and working to the best of his or her ability to bring about the triumph of Islam. The unbelievers have neither the courage nor the will to long stand against the tide. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the commands of Allah (swt). Be part of the bright, shining Islamic future, not a forgotten part of a dim, dying past.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar

27 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:50:38pm

rusta (#21)

Would you mind posting a bit of that article? I'm really interested in seeing it.

28 rusta  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:53:25pm

Reza
To quote General Boykins "My God is bigger than your God!"

29 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:56:10pm

SoCalJustice (#19)

Almost as obsessed as the Middle Eastern Studies department of Columbia or Berkeley.

It's a toss-up between who is more obsessed. It's not only their frenzied hatred of Jews that repulses me, it's crap like this too:

An Arab sheik spoke first, saying the conflict could be resolved without outside involvement if everyone would simply follow the principles of Islam. "Prophet Muhammad says in the Koran that Muslims should talk and discuss and solve our problems," he said. "The Islamic religion has as its principle to love and be peaceful."

The arrogance of it, that if only we were all Muslim, peace and love would reign. So what about the evil and brutality we have seen, all in the name of Islam!

30 rusta  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:57:35pm

zulubaby
with pleasure:

Irvine mosque set for grand opening
Three years in the making, the Islamic Center symbolizes the religion's growth in Orange County.

By JEFF ROWE
The Orange County Register

After years of praying in a tent, Muslims in Irvine finally are getting a real mosque.

Work is nearly complete on the Islamic Center of Irvine, which will open Aug. 28. The facility is an affirmation of the expansion of the religion in Orange County and the migration of Muslims to south county.


In all, Orange County now is home to 14 mosques, double the number a decade ago and reflecting the growth in followers of Islam. About 170,000 Muslims now live in Orange County, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a national civil-rights organization whose Southern California office is in Anaheim.

A bazaar, prayers and a dinner will mark the opening of the $2.6 million center.

Muslims who live and work in the area have been attending daily prayer services at the Irvine Marriott in a tent the hotel uses for group events. Up to 500 attend these prayer services, said Mohammad Harake, a student at University of California, Irvine, and a member of the Islamic Center board.

With its multitude of ethnicities and religions, Muslims find Irvine a particularly tolerant place, he said.

ISLAMIC CENTER OF IRVINE
Where: 2 Truman St.
Community: About 500 families
Opening activities Saturday !evening: Bazaar opens at 6 p.m.; Mayor Larry Agran speaks about 7 p.m., prayers at 7:45 p.m.; dinner about 8:20 p.m. Basic beliefs of Islam:
• Followers believe that the prophet Muhammad came to Earth in 570. Over a series of years, Allah (God) revealed the Koran to him. • Jesus is thought to be prophet but not divine; the Koran supersedes the Bible. • Islamic ethical standards parallel those of Christians and Jews.

Some, though, wonder if the growth of ethnic, cultural and religious centers may lead to a society fragmented into cells defined by beliefs and customs. Such groups foster "social control" and "strong in-group feelings to socialize within your own kind," said John Bedell, chairman of the sociology department at California State University, Fullerton.

But Ben Hubbard, chairman and professor of comparative religion at CSUF, says coalescing around beliefs or culture is "natural and healthy." Striving to maintain cultural and religious distinctions increases the size of America's salad bowl, but immigrants really want to be part of America, he says.

About 40 percent of the Muslims in the United States are immigrants, says Yassir Fazaga, the imam, or leader, of the Orange County Islamic Foundation, a mosque in Mission Viejo.

Completion of the center follows by two weeks the opening of the Jewish Community Center of Orange County. Soon to open across the street from the Islamic Center is the Chinese Cultural Center.

The opening ceremony for the Irvine center will be at 6 p.m. Aug. 28. Mayor Larry Agran is expected to be among the speakers. A prayer service is scheduled for 7:45 p.m. followed by dinner. Tickets are $15, which includes dinner.

Services will be led by Sheik Sadullah Khan, director of religious affairs. "Sheik" is an Islamic term referring to a leader or learned one.

Khan was traveling and was not available for comment but few are likely to question his command of the Quran: Harake says Khan has memorized all 600 pages of Islam's holy book.


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31 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:57:57pm

Oh Reza, shut up already with your nonsense.

32 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:58:25pm

rusta, thanks a gazillion!

33 SoCalJustice  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 7:59:35pm
You cheer and rejoice every time another innocent Muslim is persecuted by intolerant Western governments

If only you were bright enough to understand the irony of posting that two spots below the story where a 16-year old girl was hung for having a "sharp tongue" (more likely because she was raped), then you'd be worthy of discussion.

Until then, your grandchildren will be Hare Krishnas.

34 SoCalJustice  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:04:29pm

(#29) zulubaby

They're always looking for an excuse as to why the Ummah is so messed up.

Even the so-called "educated" ones do it. It's really tragic. Nothing but excuses and blaming. Never looking in the mirror. The thought doesn't even occur. Sad.

Reza here is an example of just how pathetic, useless and tiresome that is.

35 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:10:37pm
With its multitude of ethnicities and religions, Muslims find Irvine a particularly tolerant place, he said.

Oh I'm so pleased to hear that, and it could be why

About 40 percent of the Muslims in the United States are immigrants

'cos in the countries they come from, most of them would probably be dead by now.

A bazaar, prayers and a dinner will mark the opening of the $2.6 million center.

Who funds this?

36 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:13:00pm

Innismir (#24)

It's just unbelievable what goes on in the world. Awful :-(

37 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:17:31pm
Islamic ethical standards parallel those of Christians and Jews.

Yeah. Remind me, when was the last time a Christian or a Jew slaughtered 3,000 in the name of G-d? Idiot. The bigger idiots, of course, are the people who actually swallow these lies.

38 rusta  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:18:48pm

zulubaby

You are zuluwarrior and I like it!

I think the Fraudis are funding it; the Irvine Marriot is not cheap!

Even the Mayor is expected to speak Ugh!

Also they have been working on an Islamist Center on State College just south of the 91 freeway in Anaheim, this also looks close to completion

39 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:24:13pm

rusta, this warrior is getting kinda weary :-)

I tried to Google for how many mosques there are in the US. Found this link but I'm not sure how up to date it is.

That's what I thought too, that the Saudis are funding all of it.

40 rusta  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:41:33pm

zulubaby

Isa 40:31 but they that wait for Jehovah shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; they shall walk, and not faint.

The construction is done by the Bin-Laden Corporation
some coincedence uh?

41 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:50:54pm
42 stoj  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 8:58:54pm
43 Yehudit  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:01:29pm

Find out what Arab leaders really think of Israel and Arafat. If they said in public what they say in private, the whole world would change.

44 Victory Now Please  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:03:52pm

These slims have a point, although I don't think it is the point that they mean to make. The point is that it is disgusting that our government has allowed these murderers to openly operate here in America for the past decade. I guess we didn't mind if they kept the slaughter to jews in israel, but 911 crossed the line. You can't murder jews here. You risk killing "innocent" non-jews.

45 Rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:05:33pm
46 SoCalJustice  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:08:07pm

MSNBC sob story on Palestinian Olympic Swimmer:

Palestinian enjoys Olympic dip, but wants more


By Martin Fletcher
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:17 p.m. ET Aug. 19, 2004

ATHENS - Ra'ad Aweisat came dead last, 59th slowest time out of 59 in the 100-meter butterfly. But he beat his personal best and it would be nice to write that this young athlete leaves Athens as an example of what the Olympic spirit is all about -- competing and not winning, the pleasure of taking part.

Forget it. Aweisat is bitterly disappointed and upset that he never had a chance.

Waaahh.

His best time is a full 4 seconds behind the qualifying time, 12 seconds behind the world record.

Aweisat got in as an allocation, a favor to developing nations who otherwise wouldn't have any athletes at the Olympics. And walking among the 203 flags of competing nations, he was sad at the lack of facilities he has back home.

"I hope to go to college in the United States, and get the best coaching in a real pool. Then maybe I'll get faster. My dream? Beijing in four years," Aweisat said.

Any sponsors out there?

Martin Fletcher, ladies and gentleman.

And I stopped following another Pali-Greek Olympic story, but just googled to find out what happpened:

Sakorafa bid to throw for Palestine rejected

The International Olympic Committee has turned down a request by veteran Greek javelin-thrower and former world recordholder Sofia Sakorafa to compete in the Athens Games under the flag of Palestine, in a symbolic “peace and solidarity” gesture.

At a press conference yesterday at the Palestinian diplomatic mission in Athens, Sakorafa, 47, said the IOC had told Palestine’s Olympic Committee that she could not take part in the Games “due to a technical problem.”

“Until now, nobody knows the reason,” said Sakorafa, who has been granted honorary Palestinian citizenship.

The secretary-general of the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), Istvan Gyulai, was quoted by The Associated Press as saying Sakorafa had not done well enough in her trial throws. “The Olympic Games are not for political demonstrations,” he said.

Whatever. Tell that to Iran.

47 Cornholio  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:35:47pm

Rayra  

#41 Heehee.

Our journalism schools need to be purged.

We need an LGF School of Journalism.

48 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:43:56pm
49 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:47:24pm

SoCalJustice (#46)

Waaahh.

My sentiments exactly. The media make such a fuss about the Palestinians, like they're so fucking special.

His coach is his father who has gone $20,000 into debt to finance his son's dream, and he gets almost no help from any official Palestinian institution.

Like none of the other athlete's parents don't do that and much, much more? Ugh, makes me crazy.

Anyway, the US rocks! Did you see those magnificent swimmers, they are phenomenal. A nation of winners :-) What gives me a smile too, every time I think about it, is how many times the American national anthem has been played :-P I hope it irks the hell out of all the haters. What a country this is!

50 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:51:13pm

And, I forgot to add, set a new world record. Fabulous.

51 Tony from Oz  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 9:58:48pm

#49 and 50 zulubaby

Hey, don't forget the Aussies. Their work in the pool was simply outstanding (too). And there'll be more to come.

Nice Coalition at the Olympic Games.

52 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 10:01:48pm

Tony from Oz, had I known you were lurking I would have congratuled you on the women's swimming! :-) Great stuff, the Aussies are amazing too.

53 bad elvin  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 10:04:21pm

I too was enjoying the gold medal moment of the US men's swimming relay team, yet was abruptly brought back down to earth by the image of a South Korean crowd shredding the US flag

Korean War Casualties
Korean War Casualties
(figures are approximates
United States
Killed 54,246
Wounded 103,284


Taking a huge symbolic dump on 54,246 graves, on top of the millions of dollars of US taxpayer money and military sacrifice keeping their ingrateful asses free and safe.
you're welcome, South Korea.

54 bad elvin  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 10:05:33pm

that was an awesome swim by the Australian women

55 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 10:16:44pm

They grow them strong in Texas.

Aaron Peirsol

Brendan Hansen

Ian Crocker

56 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 10:52:06pm

You gotta love it every time a member of our 'unilateral' coalition kicks butt, I get this mental picture the euro's and their pals spitting and seething - does the old heart good. It'll be interesting to see the stats.

Tony heard anything about yesterdays work accident? Man undergoing surgery after bomb explodes Its done a disappearing act in the media.

57 Mr Pol  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:06:04pm

OT: Fire destroys Paris Jewish community center. That's the one on 5 rue Popincourt, just next to the synagogue on 7 rue Popincourt. Nazi and anti-semitic slogans were found, but according to the cops as well as Le Monde and Le Figaro, this is a criminal act - meaning it's not anti-semitic. Remember, there's no anti-semitism in France.

58 Mr Pol  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:09:42pm

Here is Ha'aretz' take on this. Note that 'criminal in nature' means 'just a common crime, no anti-semitism here'.

59 Tony from Oz  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:15:42pm

#56 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Sorry mate, the best I can do is another link (doesn't say much more):

[Link: www.theage.com.au...]

My guess is that it may be gang related - but you never know. Melbourne has a lot of Jewish targets. Story developing.

#72 zulubaby

Yeah, not a bad haul for Oz. (But that Michael Phelps is a machine!) Check out the comparisons:

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

Great fun watching the competition - apart, that is, from the sour notes of the Iranian who pulled out from the judo, the IOC message that it has recognised the country of "Palestine", and the lack of any official memorial for the 1972 Israeli athletes. Did you catch that Israel got a bronze in judo?

New Zealand has landed a single gold medal (so far - double sculls) with the likelihood of another medal or two still to come. Heaven knows what happened to the country that "grew" Peter Snell, Murray Halberg, John Walker (great runners all), Mark Todd (equestrian) and Danyon Loader (swimming). It seems to have lost its sense of national pride and self-esteem.

60 evariste  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:19:41pm

#49 zulubaby:

Anyway, the US rocks! Did you see those magnificent swimmers, they are phenomenal. A nation of winners :-) What gives me a smile too, every time I think about it, is how many times the American national anthem has been played :-P I hope it irks the hell out of all the haters. What a country this is!

LOL! You rule. So does the USA. That was a delightful bit of rah-rah :-)
It made me happy, I haven't even been watching the Olympics but I just switched channels to watch them because of you..
#53 bad elvin: Not every South Korean is an ingrate. Many of them remember. These South Koreans you link to are the equivalent of LLL protestors here, don't judge the entire nation by them.
#57 Mr Pol, oh no.
There is no antisemitism in France. There was never any antisemitism in France. And anyone that says otherwise is a sale juif.
I spit on the French.

61 Mojo Jojo  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:23:36pm

#57 Mr Pol

this is a criminal act - meaning it's not anti-semitic. Remember, there's no anti-semitism in France.

It means Chirac ordered the community center burned down as a warning to those nasty Jews not to be so mean to the "benevolent" Frogs.

62 evariste  Sat, Aug 21, 2004 11:26:51pm

Mojo Jojo, c'mon nah. Chirac may wink and look away but I doubt he personally orders synagogue torchings.

63 JohninLondon  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 12:29:23am

OT

Good article in the Telegraph on their interview with John O'Neill of the Swift Boat Vets.

t the end of the article it mentions that he recently donated $20,000 to a Dem candidate in Houston - as well as his claims that he might have voted for any Dem candidate - except Kerry.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


PS - I loved the comparison on another thread of Kerry with Major Frank Burns, the pariah of M.A.S.H. !!!

64 Norwegian kafir  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 12:49:49am

This has nothing to do with Islam, but I thought it was quite funny:

Video of a Linux ad from China a year ago

66 Dave Ray  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 1:20:30am
67 Mr Pol  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 1:40:06am

OT: French TV now says it's an anti-semitic crime.

68 Norwegian kafir  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 2:23:56am
69 Norwegian kafir  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 3:12:17am

Men also fleeing forced marriages

Crisis centre groups say it's not just young immigrant women who are fleeing forced marriages engineered by their families: many young immigrant men are also desperate to escape arranged marriages with women from their home country.

Horsens' Crisis Centre for Men has reported, on average, four-five cases per year for the past three years, involving young male immigrants who go underground to escape a pending forced marriage. Centre director Ole Nelsson spoke with daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten about the phenomenon.

'We're seeing the emergence of a new group of centre users - namely, young men of non-Danish ethnicity who have been promised away by their parents, but don't want the marriage. They don't want to marry a cousin from Pakistan, for example, so they hide out with us. It's a problem, though, because immigrants have a huge network at their disposal, and they'll do anything to find these men,' said Nelsson.

Counsellors say both men and women have an extremely difficult time hiding from relatives and finding help. 'There's a huge network between immigrant groups,' Manu Sareen explained. 'Families know each other and help each other out in situations that are bound up with a lot of shame. Taxi and bus drivers may spot these young people and notify their families. I once dealt with a young girl who hid out in a room for three months. She didn't dare to go out, for fear of being recognised. Finally, she couldn't stand it anymore. She came to me and told me she was going back home. And then she was married.'

70 Sean II  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 3:24:02am

Reuters reporting it as Anti-Semitism, srprisingly:

Arsonists Set Fire to Parisian Jewish Soup Kitchen

PARIS (Reuters) - Arsonists set fire to a Jewish soup kitchen in central Paris early on Sunday morning and daubed Nazi symbols on the building, police said, in the latest anti-Semitic act in France.

No one was killed or injured in the attack on the kitchen which prepares food for the needy of Paris. President Jacques Chirac vowed to pursue those responsible and severely punish them.

It was the second anti-Semitic act in the French capital in about a week after vandals last Saturday drew a swastika and wrote "death to the Jews" on a low wall in front of Paris's Notre Dame cathedral early on Saturday.

A wave of such attacks have hit eastern France, with more than 300 tombs or graves desecrated since April -- many in Jewish cemeteries but also some Muslim and a few Christian graves.

"There's no doubt about the stupid and criminal motivations of those who burn down a soup kitchen while inscribing anti-Semitic graffiti," a spokesman for the Jewish representative council in France (CRIF) said.

"It's definitely Jewish hatred which inspires them. The CRIF asks the authorities to promptly arrest and sanction in an exemplary manner the perpetrators of this odious act which besmirches France," he added.

71 Tiburon  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 3:28:30am

OT - Great News for US and Israeli Tourism! Israelis to be banned from entry to 115 Non-aligned countries worldwide!
If reading news item, keep in mind the PA defines this as ANY lands captured from Arabs, ever; as for example in the 1948 Israel War of Independance (and therefore, most of Israel to the seashore.)
Just talk? But so are "Iranian nuclear ambitions", no?... :-(

72 peace be upon me  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:03:04am

You want to keep terrorist incitement out of your Illinois' neighborhood? Get sued!
[Link: www.dailysouthtown.com...]

More AP editorializing, disguised as reportage. These clowns break every fairness rule in this story:
[Link: www.dailysouthtown.com...]

How do unscrupulous reporters get the story they want? They question-frame, or provide the answer they want in the text of the question.

73 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:03:17am

OT - Did anyone catch VDH's Friday offering on NRO? It was, as always, great. VDH's call to Europeans (with commentary)

74 gerschor  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:13:50am

The Palestinian swimmer probably forgot to take the 20kg belt off before diving into the water.

76 Beagle  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:44:15am

#72 pbum

That's what really bugs me. Not only will they blow you up, poison you, and behead you -- they will sue you also. They know how to use propaganda and our own legal system. The media has yet to consider the fact that lying to spread the faith is part of Islam. As everyone says, fifth column.

77 Yossarian  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:45:00am

OT -- A disturbing possibility: Was 9/11 Supposed to Be 9/18?

In the spirit of the 9/11 commission's call for greater "imagination" in intelligence analysis, there is a strong case to be made that the original al Qaeda plan was not to attack New York and Washington on Tuesday, September 11, but rather a week later, on Tuesday, September 18 -- the day on which Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, fell in 2001.

A Sept. 18 timetable would account for one of the most mystifying and disturbing incidents that occurred after the attacks: The spread of the assertion, widely reported in parts of the Arab and Muslim world, that "4,000 Jews" had been absent from the World Trade Center and that their absence was evidence of "Zionist regime involvement" in planning and carrying out the plot.

78 Dave Ray  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:47:28am
79 Asher Abrams  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:47:46am

73/TQC, great post.

It'll be interesting to watch developments in Syria over the next few weeks, with Tehran working feverishly to isolate Israel. Whatever's going to happen, it isn't going to wait for the election in November, that's for sure.

80 Thom  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 4:54:58am

#74 gerschor

Ya mean it wasn't the tethered swimming event?

Damn.

81 GoatGuy  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:10:37am

Charles & LGF Readers...

I don't recall seeing this anyplace, but it is just aweful:

Brit sez Palestinian terrorism is Justified

There are a lot of things that are justified, especially in a world full of inequities. But, blowing up Israeli busses just for the hell of it, cannot possibly be justifiable. Yet this yoyo has done just that.

The enemy truely is within

GoatGuy

82 Dave Ray  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:13:17am

81:

Ted Honderich is a typical LLL gasbag, a counterpunch and Guardian regular...need we say more

83 Condor  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:15:40am

#43

I found much more disturbing an article at the same site, just down from the one about Arafat, in which the sons of some Arab diplomats were expelled from a French school for bullying a Jewish student; they appealed, and the result was that they were
permitted to return to the school, and the school had to pay
them $1200 each. Vive le France. . .

84 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:22:34am

OT - I'm really getting a kick out of watch Kerry and Edwards squeal...and this is only their election campaign!

Imagine if was U.S. faced with known and real threats which would cost the lives of thousands at any hour and these 2 clowns were at the helm...what we're being treated to is very likely how they'd respond. They'd beg and cry and maybe even get up the guts to 'tell' Kofi that he must 'plead with the these mean, mean people to stop.' Scary.

It seems Nader has been subjected to an array of 'dirty tricks' by the dhimmicrats and told Kerry to 'Call off the Dogs.' Sure does seem they can't take what they're dishing out...

I've just donated a few c-notes to the Swiftvets, they're doing and excellent job of getting Kerry & Co. to expose themselves. What a hoot!

85 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:25:24am

OT

Religion of Executing Uppity Women

On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center.

The sentence was issued by the head of Neka’s Justice Department and subsequently upheld by the mullahs’ Supreme Court and carried out with the approval of Judiciary Chief Mahmoud Shahroudi.

In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims.

The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.
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86 David 'Parisian Insider'  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:40:30am

Not that OT, a really brilliant essay about the WoT. A must read:
A view from the eye of the storm

87 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:42:30am

Another OT on the same subject but very telling A Smoking Gun?

The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, Campaign for America's Future, and dozens of other groups representing millions of Americans to organize a massive public mobilization. On Wednesday, May 14, join us by calling and emailing your representatives in Congress to let them know that the majority of Americans oppose more irresponsible tax cuts that go overwhelmingly to the wealthiest sliver of Americans.

my emphasis

88 David 'Parisian Insider'  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:46:13am

#57 Mr Pol
FFS, it's just 30 meters from where I live you know. I heard police sirens late at night yesterday, but it didn't last long and went back to sleep, thinking it was nothing.
Fucking bastards!!

89 SwampWoman  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 5:49:21am

#87 Looks like the "tax cuts benefitting only the wealthy" meme is a big lie, as well (posted at The Entrepreneurial Mind):

Tax Cut Myths Debunked by CBO
From the Congressional Joint Economic Committee:

"A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report produced at the request of Congressional Democrats confirms that tax cuts since 2001 increased the share of federal income taxes paid by the highest earners while decreasing the tax share of lower- and middle-income groups. The CBO analysis, Effective Tax Rates Under Current Law, 2001 to 2014, shows that the income tax remains highly progressive, with the top 5 percent of earners paying more than half of all federal income taxes.

Highlights:

* As a result of the tax cuts since 2001, all taxpayers face lower effective federal income tax rates than they would have without the tax cuts.

* While many characterize the CBO report as evidence that the tax cuts shifted the burden of taxation to the middle class, CBO data show precisely the opposite effect. The tax cuts actually made the tax system more progressive. The highest 20 percent of earners now pay a larger share of federal income taxes than they would have without the tax cuts, while the share of income taxes paid by all other income groups fell.

* The overwhelming majority of federal income taxes are paid by the very highest income earners. The top 1% of income earners pays 31.6% of all income taxes, the top 5% pays 51.4%, the top 10% pays 63.5%, and the top 20% of income earners pays 78.4% of all federal income taxes. The bottom four-fifths of income earners pay just over one-fifth of all federal income taxes.

* Some analysts cite total effective federal tax rates, as opposed to effective income tax rates, as the best measure of the effects of the tax cuts across income groups. This method can be misleading because it measures the burden of payroll taxes without accounting for the highly progressive Social Security and Medicare benefits to which payroll taxes are linked."

90 David 'Parisian Insider'  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 6:12:33am

Hi all. I am just back from there so here a visual account of what I ve seen. The place is, as I said, roughly 50 meters from my flat.
The police have cordoned the street (rue Popincourt) but they did not prevent anyone from having a look from the outside so that's what I did.
I pass nearly everyday next to the place when I come back from work. There were usually old people playing games, reading etc. The doors were always open.
Now, the beautiful wooden doors with carved Magen David are completely charred. Everything seems to have burned inside the building. There are around 50 people (all of them looking Jewish) looking very sad and distressed, some of them being quite petulant with the policemen for failing to protect them.
I feel really sad.

91 SoCalJustice  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 6:16:15am

(#90) David 'Parisian Insider'

Thanks for the eyewitness account.

It makes me sad just to read it.

I can't imagine what it would be like if stuff like that happened with the same frequency here as it does in France.

Chirac should apologize to Sharon, beg forgiveness, and give him a State dinner reception. (I know, it'll be when pigs fly, but still).

92 David 'Parisian Insider'  Sun, Aug 22, 2004 6:23:39am

It makes Le Monde's frontpage, but believe it or not, next to it there is an article on one skinhead who was arrested for desecrating a Jewish war memorial in Douaumont.
They do not want people to just imagine that muslim thugs could have done it.


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