How brave of the little monkeys! They're f**king terrified, and they're getting desperate, and it's not going to be pretty.

BRING. IT. ON.

That really pisses me off, especially publishing the personal info of the people at the top of it.
The LLL keeps figuring out new ways to cross the line and go way too fucking far. If I knew who these people were I'd beat the living shit out of them.

Those a**holes. Maybe you can call them Charles, since they published their info. But then again, they're probably getting bombarded with moonbats harrassing them.

Is there nothing we can do about Nazimedia? This is just so wrong. They published their telephone numbers and home addresses! Scum.

That's their way, 'riste. They're cowards, they hide being their computers and their keffiyehs and snipe and harass and break the law, because that's the only way they can gain any ground. It's how terrorists and 'anarchists' work.

And to think, I justregistered last week for PW. Well, friends, this feels to me a little like a terroristic threat, that is to say, I feel personally violated and intimidated and I'm curious to see what happens from here. If I receive a harassing or threatening message, I might, if I can, seek legal recourse. I am not amused.

Fortunately, the home address here in Austin they published is actually a massive complex of hotels rooms, apts. and offices that is gated off. I doubt they could find them easily.

I posted this on another thread (apologies) but DC Indymedia is doing the same thing.

so far I haven't gotten any nasty emails yet, maybe they did not get the complete list??

I think this shows thier desperation. Like little children acting out in frustration of facts.

SCREW THE LITTLE ANARCHISTS! My name and e-mail is on that list and I am PROUD of it! I don't hide underneath a hood or mask like some member of the KKK or Hammas. I'm not ashamed of my words or actions!

Yeah my address in on there, is there any recourse if they harrass me via email or phone?

I have a funny feeling that something bad will happen to, or at Indymedia, call it a premonition.

If you decide to help out, you do so on your own terms and accept responsibility for what might happen.

Excuse my fr*nch...but fucking pussie cowards

I am the most paranoid person, if my name were on that list I'd be freaking out. I'm freaking out anyway, on behalf of everyone else. This is sinister.

who are the digital brown shirts here then? Publishing lists of undesireables sounds a little...well Nazi to me. These morons are truly repulsive...hope they get hammered for this.

Lock and load.

Imagine the uproar if a right wing group had done this. What a bunch of shitbags.

Where's The Bruce? I want him to take care of these punks. LOL.

Such charming 'people'. I fell all warm and fuzzy knowing I am on the opposite team.

I didn't see it at first but they've published everyone's e-mail addresses too.

Complete protestwarrior member list:

And then hundreds of e-mail addresses. I'm so disgusted! Who does something like this?

#20

Answer: Brownshirts!

I would suggest that anyone who's private info was published by Indymedia get in touch with their local District Attorney's and start putting pressure. The hosting server companies must be notified of possible criminal liability if they don't immediately remove this information and boot Indymedia.

California is cracking down on Identity theft and cyber-crimes. But only a lot of pressure gets this stuff off the ground.

zulubaby

Where's The Bruce? I want him to take care of these punks. LOL.

Can we through in Iron Fist and Mr. Pol too?

zulubaby, I understand and appreciate your concern for those of us on the PW list. But I'm not scared in the least. I am more than equipped to handle myself here in NY. If they want to come calling they will receive a bitter welcome.

I don't see my name on their...weird.

Who is Indymedia's Hosting Server company?

My name and e-mail address is on there and my response is "Bring it on Brownshirt!"

OT:

"Pali" rapper in the suckful SF Chron Magazine. ON THE COVER!

[Link: sfgate.com...]

I just found my addy on their list.

This is going to generate a complaint to whomever I can find.

Why hasn't indymedia taken this down? It's unethical at the very least.

I can't wait until these punks try to "take on" the NYPD.

As far as I know, hacking is a crime. Nazimedia has the IP address of whoever posted that, and the bastard's ISP has name and address. I expect his asshole to be substantially enlarged during his stay in jail.

zulubaby:

You and me both. I'm not as paranoid as I was, I like my privacy tho.

With any luck they've got a nice list of logs showing who did it.

My guess would be a bloody script kiddie, no skills, no brains, no talent, no life. This shows exactly what type of people they are, I'd like to see the FBI getting involved about now.

Both a primary and proxy address are now toast. Just beautiful...come to my front door ya little bottom feeders. I've got a fist full of love for you.

I'm not registered with PW, but if I were, the prospect of hate e-mail from these losers worries me somewhat less than the fact that several former Nigerian government officials have my email, and want me to help them in a suspicious financial scheme.

Have all those who signed for Operation Liberty have all their plans worked out? Do y'all email and/or call each other?

The email I received from the hacker was the same email used for the HQ membership rather than the regular PW newsletter. HQ requires people's phone numbers so they can verify who is in their operations.

Any of those little s**ts call me, I'm going ballistic.

There's no need for the Bruce...from scanning the list I notice quite a few US Army e-mail addresses...just hope they're big burly Marines with short tempers

To those whose emails were listed, I would not lose sleep over it. The hacker described himself as an "anarchist" - not exactly the most organized of the LLL.

They are a bunch of punk kids who vandalize the Gap and kick in Starbucks windows. They'll never amount to more of a threat than that.

#7 Ms. Andi, that's slightly reassuring.

And how typical fo the LLL scum to sacrifice their own followers with misinformation.

What do I mean? By saying that DOS attacks are not "hacking" -- as in actual intrusion -- they are implying to their dumber followers, the potential script kiddies, that DOS is not breaking the law.

That is a 100% freakin' lie -- to their OWN PEOPLE!!!

# 10 Kevin Shook:

I don't hide underneath a hood or mask like some member of the KKK or Hammas. I'm not ashamed of my words or actions!

Amen, brother, amen.

#35 Dave Ray

...from scanning the list I notice quite a few US Army e-mail addresses...just hope they're big burly Marines with short tempers

Umm, dude? That makes them soldiers not marines!

Rmember this the next time one of their lord he haws starts bleating about the patriot act and digital privacy...yada yada yada

The Stalinists are getting increasingly more dangerous. Unfortunately for them, most Americans are not Stalinists. If any of them even dare touch a police officer in NYC, look for a Bush landslide.

From the page:

"That's all for today, kids. Stay out of trouble, and don't get caught! "

Feh! Kiddies with toilet paper. Guess they want to feel all big and stuff.

Funny, when I protested stuff I knew I'd be caught. That's part of the point ain't it?

#36 Cornholio

To those whose emails were listed, I would not lose sleep over it. The hacker described himself as an "anarchist" - not exactly the most organized of the LLL.

Good point - lots of chiefs, and no Indians.

Belize042, LOL!

Ms. Andi (#23)

Can we through in Iron Fist and Mr. Pol too?

We may have to fly Mr Pol in from France but it'll be worth it.

goldsmith (#24)

Happy to hear it. I'm a super freak about my privacy though so that's why my blood is boiling about this. It's so disrespectful to do this to people, really disgusting behaviour. The left are an embarrassment.

Those W**kers also sent me the same Email (I didn't read it though)

#33

several former Nigerian government officials have my email, and want me to help them in a suspicious financial scheme.

Wait a sec. Was one of them from the Most Honorable Robert Msfume ???

Because I sent him my checking account and credit card information about 2 months ago and haven't heard anything back from him. If you do hear something, please keep me informed. I have some great plans for my 25% of that $45,000,000.

40:

Excuse me for my military ignorance Reaganite. To me if your carrying a gun and wearing camo you're a soldier. Sorry for any offence to any marines or infantary men out there! Ooops

reaganite, LMAO! Dave Ray's British, cut him a little slack ;-)

bp sf (#28)

Um, who is the Nazi that wrote that article?

These artists document a modern diaspora. The Palestinians are predominantly Muslim, some Christian and occasionally Jewish Arabs who are originally from what is now the state of Israel and its occupied territories.

I nearly just fell off my chair.

I have sent a complaint to the NYCIndy website. Appears that they have a "Moderator" who approves such postings. I'm asking them to remove my e-mail address, give me the name of their 'moderator' who approved the posting and the information on the person who sent the posting. I have also threatened to file a complaint with the NY AG's office. Any other suggestions?

These are weenies, not serious hackers. They almost certainly exploited a known vulnerability in whatever mailing list software the Protest Warriors were using.

The attack looks like it was limited to the mailing list. There's no sign that they actually got into the PW web site.

But it's bad enough that they got all those addresses. That's why I asked if anyone knew what software they were using?

#30 RightIsRight 

I can't wait until these punks try to "take on" the NYPD.

Neither can I.

Here are some interesting links about the anarchists' tactics (If you can call this "tactics")

Unarresting an activist(s) is quite simple: when an activist is arrested, the bloc of anarchists acts swiftly to pull that person free from the cops. Sometimes a tugging match is required to free the activist, but if you have the element of surprise, you can usually be successful because the cops are so shocked that activists aren't playing the game correctly (i.e. negotiating their own imprisonment). Unarresting work in two situations: 1) where you have a few cops and several activists involved; or 2) when the unarresting bloc outnumbers the officers by a ratio of 3:1 or better.
. . . .
Obviously, unarresting a person is more important if the arrested person has done something that would lead to felony charges. Play to win!

Thugs who wear masks in public and then try to stop police from making lawful arrests deserve a major New York aswhuppin.

#s 40, 48 & 49

Too funny! I wondered how long it would take Davey Ray to be corrected. Love ya Dave.

#48 Dave Ray
I know a Gunny who would have dropped you on the spot for mixing the two up! LOL.

#49 evariste

Dave Ray's British, cut him a little slack ;-)

I wasn't rude! :-Þ

Hmmm...they didn't get all of the addresses,
cause mine isn't there.

RELATED TOPIC: PROTEST WARRIORS IN CHICAGO

I was hanging with the protest warriors in Chicago today. It seems that a group of asshats decided to protest the Air and Water Show. I took pictures, however I have no place to host them. If Charles or a LGF regular, or another blogger would like to host them, I would be happy to email them to you.

I know you weren't :-)

Where can check to see if they have my info?

They got my email, but I am not going to lose any sleep over it.

I do hope they can get the FBI on this and at least scare a few people and make them spend money on legal fees.

They've got the addresses from the PWHQ database sure enough, that's the only place I've used my primary. My proxy is tossed as well, which was used on the forums.

Their 'upstream' provider is AT&T. Their hoster is 'freespeech.org' a progressive group that 'say this is what democracy looks like'. Bottom feeders.

Charles, I know they're using MySql, but that's all I know.

#47

Dude, you settled too cheaply. I'm getting 33% of the pie. And a friend of mine is getting 40%, and a co-worker is also getting 33%, and...

Wait a minute...

bp sf (#28)

That's one of the worst articles I've read in a while, outside of Al-Jazeera, Arab News, etc.

#53

Something just occured to me, if they publish their tactics, doesn't that mean the "enemy" i.e. society, now knows what they plan, and can easily counter these tactics?

Just a thought.

-ron

#56 Sarah D

It's definately a partial list. They have over 7000 members.

Those little brats. I hope they make total fools of themselves. Did anyone see this? Looks like the PWs are going to have some street theatre of their own.

Any new tactics you can share that you have planned for New York?
We’re going to be involved in some street theater. Everyone knows the left does have a monopoly on this. We’re going to have a group called Communists for Kerry. They’re Protest Warriors who will dress up as their favorite communist leaders. We have one guy who’s a spitting image of Lenin. He’s a dead ringer. We have another who’s growing out a beard to dress up like Che Guevara. And they’re going to be walking around with their own banner, telling people why they should vote for Kerry, and why the American communist movement supports Kerry. We have some other ideas that we’re developing, but that gives you a little taste.

#62 Sarah

Btw which more secure, postgres or MySQL?

Anyway, this whole incident just goes to show that if you want security stick with OpenBSD!!!

-ron

Charles you are on the radar..

From indymedia:
Please do not try to do anything to [Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...] They are not fascists, they are just trying to expose the hate that is at the heart of Islam.

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Hey, it's the least I can do...

I just checked the Bill of Rights, and it says, "Only Moonbats have the right to peaceably assemble." Read the fine print, folks.

/LLL off

Ok, don't know whether this helps or not.

I consulted someone who does more with computers than wordprocess and keep books, and this is what we came up with:

nyc.indymedia.org

216.82.161.253

10 80 ms 80 ms 80 ms atm3-0-182-20M.cr1.SJC.gblx.net [208.50.13.113]
11 101 ms 110 ms 110 ms so3-0-0-2488M.ar1.JFK1.gblx.net [67.17.72.18]
12 111 ms 110 ms 110 ms 216.128.66.98
13 121 ms 110 ms 110 ms 216.82.161.253

128.95.76.170

12 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms dustbuster-GE1-8.cac.washington.edu [140.142.153.2]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 40 ms 51 ms 50 ms quanyin.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.170]

209.133.53.10

10 80 ms 80 ms 80 ms gw-transbay.transbay.net [209.249.37.108]
11 80 ms 80 ms 90 ms cromwell-sj.transbay.net [209.133.55.9]
12 81 ms 90 ms 80 ms gauss.transbay.net [209.133.53.10]

to: abuse@gblx.net
abuse@apl.washington.edu
abuse@transbay.net

subject: Abuse by subscriber to your service

To whom it may concern;

[Link: nyc.indymedia.org...] contains a long, triumphant announcement that someone hacked Protest Warrior. Further, this 'article' contains a list of e-mail addresses, including my own.

No one at this site has my permission to display my contact information. This is a violation of my privacy.

This is an abuse, and you may consider yourself formally notified that I, personally, object.

Please notify me of whatever action you take against nyc.indymedia.org for allowing this information to be published, and further, leaving it up.

So there!

I am not surprised the left hacked the PW site. THe leftist all know about PWs now and it is driving the, crazy!

5 Protest Warriors (PWs) from WA state witnessed the true fist of leftist fascism today at Operation Heat Wave Part II located at Green Lake in Seattle and it was not pretty. Approximately 350 lefties rallied together to stomp out freedom of speech both physically and verbally.

The leftites told their sheeple that 40 Pws attacked an elderly woman in a wheel chair last week. ( there was not even a wheel chaired person at the event last week). Also, two new PWs busted some leftist handing out fliers to shoppers at a local cafe that had lies about the PWs and our pictures with Nazi symbols super imposed on our shirts.

The leftists assigned a "peace keeper" to each of us to ensure that we did not get violent with any of the “peace” activist. The irony was, the “peace keepers” actually ended up having to protect us. That is right, they had to repeatedly ask the "peace" protesters not to touch us and to step back or calm down. My very own personal "peace keeper" told me to "fuck off" for no reason. Thank goodness for the peace keepers. About as useful as the UN peace keepers.

I am a tad freaked out about how violent, angry, vulgar and hateful the "pacifist" leftist were. There were 350 of them vs our 5 and they still felt the need to physically intimidate us, block our signs, push us off the walk ways, and yell profanities at us. Amazingly creepy.

Related Topic: Hate to pop in and out of here so sporadically, and then only to drop a link (apologies, seriously) but there is other hacking related news out there. This time the good kind of hacking...you know, where the hackers go after terro-zombie websites.

The main page used by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's minions for their snuff film releases was hacked yesterday and shut down. The hackers left this message "Hostem...watch out...we B cominz for you"

The hacker group calls itself 'TeaMz UsA' and replaced Zarqawi's site with a large American flag and a pic of UBL crossed out.

One more apology, because it is a link to my site but I have more info there...

Zarqawi Site Hacked

#59 Raziel

Click on Charles' link at the top, and either search the list, or just scroll through. I found mine by just scrolling.

I have no idea if they can find me or not. I don't really care. I'm just annoyed. Very annoyed.

#67 ballantrae

Btw which more secure, postgres or MySQL?

postgres, according to vulnerability incident reports.

I prefer FreeBSD myself. But, I'm poor!

#72

There were 350 of them vs our 5 and they still felt the need to physically intimidate us, block our signs, push us off the walk ways, and yell profanities at us. Amazingly creepy.

That's what happens when the "free speech" monopolists lose control.

#72 Naarah

I've been wondering if some of us who have some martial arts and street experience shouldn't start teaching some self-defense for the various PW chapters.

Do you think that's a good idea? I've been worried, particularly about some of the smaller, younger people who show up for us.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Teresa Heinz Kerry has financed the secretive Tides Foundation to the tune of more than $4 million over the years. The Tides Foundation, a “charity” established in 1976 by antiwar leftist activist Drummond Pike, distributes millions of dollars in grants every year to political organizations advocating far-Left causes. The Tides Foundation and its closely allied Tides Center, which was spun off from the Foundation in 1996 but run by Drummond Pike, distributed nearly $66 million in grants in 2002 alone. In all, Tides has distributed more than $300 million for the Left. These funds went to rabid antiwar demonstrators, anti-trade demonstrators, domestic Islamist organizations, pro-terrorists legal groups, environmentalists, abortion partisans, extremist homosexual activists and open borders advocates.
...
The antiwar movement often boasted that MoveOn.org and the radical website Indymedia provided them “alternate media coverage.” Indymedia, an enormous news and events bulletin board with local pages in most of the world’s major cities, provided a vital link for radical activists often with violent agendas to coordinate their protests. Indymedia received $376,000 from the Tides Foundation.

An interesting link, don'tcha think?

It's about time Teresa disclosed her finances... in fact, overdue.

Radian: I've been on the radar of those goons for quite a while now. For a while someone was posting fake news stories at Indymedia, claiming I had been arrested for child molestation.

I've detected and/or fended off several attempted attacks against LGF, one of which tried to insert (into our referrers page) a UNIX system call that would have deleted all files on our server as soon as someone viewed the page -- if I were stupid enough to leave a hole like that.

Every day our error logs show probes for known vulnerabilities.

This is a big advantage to having custom-written all the software that runs LGF. There are no known vulnerabilities that can be passed around in the caverns of the Morlocks.

This is truly pathetic that any group has to stoop this low to hack into information regarding attendees at the RNC and/or the Protest Warriors mailing lists. These are the same people who bitch and moan about the Patriot Act being abused (it has not) by our government to get “personal” information and “looking” into our lives. And they have the audacity to call us “brown shirts”.

#72 Naarah

I am not surprised the left hacked the PW site. THe leftist all know about PWs now and it is driving the, crazy!

Sure does. We have been having fun with them each week here in Dallas. One of our guys got pushed out into oncoming traffic, luckly, the SUV stopped in time. The police now keep them away from us.

I swear, some of their cars are held together only by all the bumper stickers they have on them.

Open public threats against Charles (and others) and someone bragging about their terrorist plans for the RNC.

At DC IndyMedia noted in entry #8

when does LE step in?

#79 Charles
Sir, you rock!

#72 Naarah

Someone a few days ago was posting about the first Operation Heat Wave and that the PWs outnumbered the peaceniks. I guess word got out. LOL!

The peaceniks always get pissy about the PWs and sure enough, some story will come out about "someone being attacked by the PWs." Even though they (the PWs) are filmed, photographed, followed to their cars, licience #'s taken down and, of course, personal info posted on the web, not one has been able to publish any proof whatsoever of any violence committed by any PW.

Leftists love the taqqiya as much as their islamists overlords.

Charles

Every day our error logs show probes for known vulnerabilities.

yours would be quite a scalp for these weenies and tools, wouldn't it.
I'm glad they can't touch you.

#83 reaganite

#79 Charles
Sir, you rock!

You're damn skippy!

I've alerted Hosting Matters to the threats against LGF and Instapundit.

#85 Ms. Andi

I have a story about that, myself. It's why I never drive to BART when I attend a PW event, but walk.

#86 evariste

You're damn skippy!

I originally found this site wondering what the hell a "little green football" was. I've been here ever since, because Charles thinks about events instead of "feels" events.
Yeah, he rocks.

Charles : You do indeed rock.

The spite and hate from these people is amazing. To think they they consider what they do 'freedom of speech'.

79

Good deal. Just a heads up. I'm sure you run on a budget but NAS snapshotting has come a long way. You can restore a machine to a point in time on 5 minute intervals instantly. Just in case.

Bunch of little punk asses deserve some federal pound me in the ass prision time.

I'm sure someone here hase taken the time to contact the federal authorities.

Free speech for us, but not for you. Fuckers.

#88 Dianna

Oh goodness, peaceful little angles, aren't they.

The idiots could not even get the whole list.
I looked for my e-mail on their lame list and didn’t find it.
That pisses me off that they can’t even steal a simple list without F**king it up.

-/ sarcasm.

Just a reminder folks - it's a good idea to have more than one e-mail address - at least one of which does not give any hint of your real name - in anticipation of situations like this.

Charles

one of which tried to insert (into our referrers page) a UNIX system call that would have deleted all files on our server as soon as someone viewed the page

My life would be a mess without LGF archives! LOL. Bless you and your brilliance.

radian -

All their red Swingline staplers are belong to us! :)

94

Agreed, I have never registered for any site with a private or business addy. I feel sorry for the harvard guy.

I hit their sites with proxy software on..

reaganite, I don't even remember how I found LGF, but I remember the date. 9/11/01. I was desperately looking for news that day and while the major media websites all melted down, blogs kept going strong. LGF was one of the sites I discovered, and one of the few I'm still reading. I lurked for a looong time before I started posting.

#92

Somehow, they don't seem to understand what 'peaceful' means.

I've thought about borrowing the halo and wings from my dog's angel costume, but it just looks too bloody stupid, and reminds me of being a little angel in Christmas pageants of my youth.

#81 Engineer
"I swear, some of their cars are held together only by all the bumper stickers they have on them"

LOL! My brother was given a car by his ex-GF's daughter, all painted with salmon and FULL of stickers (one said "Forced lobotomies for Republicans" Nice)
He peeled them all off but kept the lovely paint job. Last week he asked me for a GW sticker and put it on, which'll probably turn heads (if the paint job didn't already) since my bro has a long haired "grunge" appearance.

I mentioned this the other day here, but I'll repeat it. I had this dream that Bush won the election by a pretty good margin, and some moonbats set themselves on fire like those MKO freaks did in France.

#98 evariste
I found this place via Joanne Jacob's blog. CENTAF HQ used to freak out when they gave us "secret" briefings and I already knew from reading here.

I fervently desire that Ms Andi's dreams come true.

#99 Dianna -

LOL, that costume would be great. As for "stupid", that's the only language they understand, so nothing to be ashamed of.

96

I was sucked into the world of doom 3 for a while. They have multiple refrences to the red swingline in the game.

They are complete idiots. They won't be laughing when the FCC fines individuals a half million for fax spamming. Messing with PBX exchanges will put you in federal prision.

#101 Ms. Andi :
It wouldn't surprise me if they did it too. Then blamed Pres. Bush for it. It's all his fault! When I bailed from the left it was almost a cultish atmosphere.

What wouldn't surprise me is if they tried targeting polling stations to disrupt the election.

I mentioned this the other day here, but I'll repeat it. I had this dream that Bush won the election by a pretty good margin, and some moonbats set themselves on fire like those MKO freaks did in France.

Stop getting our hopes up...

Normally, when a site is hacked the admin has to shut it down to do a complete security audit. This of course costs a significant amount of money. While the hacker may not be tracable, Indymedia -- by publishing the list and hackers message (vetted by an editor no less) seems like they may be liable.

Looking at the amount of money Indymedia seems to operate with I would say PW should talk to a lawyer. familiar with law and the internet.

Folks might want to keep copies of that page.

Operation Liberty Rising is right. The Republicans think that they can rape NYC and the 9/11 attacks to further their political agenda of endless war and breaks for the rich upper classes and multinational corporations. The people of New York are rising up to let them know that they won't be getting away with it. Millions of people in the streets will be shutting the convention down, and your extremist right-wing minority can do nothing to stop it.

We're not fighting to put Kerry in office, and we're certainly not fighting for a socialist dictatorship. We are building a society free from all parasitic ruling classes... Democrats, Republicans, they're all on the same party of capitalism and the state. We dream of a world free from presidents and politicians who exploit us enslave us and do everything except represent us. We've had enough, and we will settle for nothing short of total world liberation for one and all. And we're willing to do whatever it takes to achieve these visions of a free society.

I don't what drug produces that kind of insanity, but I'll bet it causes chromosonal mutations.

#99 Dianna

LOL!

Zulubaby

My life would be a mess without LGF archives! LOL.

Can you imagine! Everyone would be asking you, "zb? what was the name of that guy who did that thing at that university somewhere? Ya know?..."

I can't remember what link I followed to get in here - at the time I was reading mainly Taranto, Sullivan, and had just started reading InstaPundit regularly. My first visit was on a thread about the Beltway Sniper case, on October 22, 2002

reaganite:

CENTAF HQ used to freak out when they gave us "secret" briefings and I already knew from reading here.

LOL!

Charles,
Don't know if anyone's brought up this entry from DC Indymedia page yet;

Re: Phone numbers, addresses, and e-mails of over 1600 RNC delegates!
by DownWithRNC
(No verified email address) Current rating: 0
22 Aug 2004
TIME TO SHUT DOWN LGF, INSTAFASCIST AND THE REST...BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

THE DIGITAL BROWNSHIRTS WILL BE STOPPED.

ENJOY YOUR LAST NIGHT OF SAFETY GLEN, CHARLES AND THE REST...TICK, TOCK, THE END IS NEAR FOR YOU FASCISTS.

[Link: dc.indymedia.org...]

OK, now I remember - I think the link was from IsraPundit - he had some very good analysis of the Sniper Case, as he was a longtime Montgomery County resident, and he had a link to LGF.

OT but y'all just have to take at look at this scan of an article from July 23, 1971. Kerry exploiting the POW/MIA issue... omigod!

Something hit me while I was sitting here.

I emailed this stuff to Drudge. Including the RNC info that they've posted...I wonder if he'll do anything about it on his show tonight. :)

#104 Frank IBC

I'm sure I'd look better than the Code Pink ladies do - shudder!!! - but oh, my, what my fellows would think.

#108 ambisinistral

Saved off as a Word doc, in glorious color. I don't know how to do more exciting things, like screen shots.

FrankNH, Charles is already on the case :-)

Ms. Andi -

I'm just picturing our Zulubaby with an old-fashioned card catalog...

Damn, I must be old if I can remember those things. :(

It's illegal to post email addresses on the internet without permission, and in this case, not only lawyers should be brought in, but the police have a special unit to tackle this crime...

It's time for those responsible to be put behind bars where they belong.

Dianna: hit the Printscreen key on your keyboard, then start Paint, ctrl+v to paste, then File->Save as, change the file type to gif or jpeg, name it something memorable, put it somewhere easy to find, hit save.
If you want to show it to others, put it on uploadimages.net.

Ms. Andi, LOL. I use LGF archives like it's my personal online library :-)

Diana -

Actually, you should bring your dog along -

"Adorable Angelic Little Dogs for War and Destruction". :)

I am stocked up on gasoline and coke bottles. I have a feeling that it is going to be very "hot" for some of these attending GOP fascists.

What sick bastards!!

Here's a lovely post

by No war but class war (No verified email address) Current rating: -2 22 Aug 2004 Ha-ha, now we have the RNC Nazis in a tizzy. Good thing I have their home addresses. Now local activists might pay these nazis a visit at home and "persuade" them not to show up in NYC. If you happen to burn down their house, we will vouch it was an "accident."

Who's in a tizzy???

Frank IBC (#119)

I'm just picturing our Zulubaby with an old-fashioned card catalog...

And risk getting a paper cut!?

The party of 'inclusion and tolerance'...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I have the feeling that before this is all over, a few more IdiotMedia sites will be forced to end open publishing.

Speaking of them, why is it that whenever I go to the main site, I always get a page that is in German?

Dianna -

For the Print Screen function, if you're in a hurry, it doesn't have to be saved to Paint, you can paste it in Outlook or Word.

#64 zulubaby

That was the COVER of Sunday's SF Chronicle magazine.
My wife hid it at first.
(They've also featured dearly departed jihadis.)
Ctrl+F to confirm that Arafat's name isn't mentioned once.
A feature article on "blame the Jews". New low for the SF Chron.

Is anyone getting screenshots of these posts? OMG!

#119 FrankIBC

LOL yeah, I remember them too.

Thanks Dianna

Mine doe's not seem to be there for some reason ( I'm currently (sp?) resident in Eurabia), If that matters.

Do you know how many cops died on 9/11? I want to see these guys try to "unarrest" one of their little punks... and so, I expect, do the NYPD...

evariste, thank you. I will do so, consulting your directions as I go.

#123 Frank IBC

I can't bring two dogs on BART. Besides, if things ever go bad, the kidlets might get hurt, and I would never risk them.

Though, to make my point, whenever I attend a protest, I bring pickup bags with me, and offer them to anyone who brought a dog, explaining that I have enough fecal matter to wade through already.

Zulubaby -

Uggh, paper...such a scary thing... :)

#125 Ms. Andi

If that were part of a law exam, the answers would be something like "conspiracy and arson."

Good thing the Patriot Act has stifled all free speech, and the little hatemongers can't post that sort of thing.

/sarc

These people are capable of violence. At the weekly rally I attend, we've had two members attacked by "peacelovers"... they tend to go after the woman and younger kids, not wanting to tackle the grown men...

This REALLY pisses me off!!

Is that why the PW forum is down?

I must sign off for a bit.

Let's launch denial of service attacks on Indymedia.

bp sf (#129)

Besides anything else, it's full of lies! What is it with the Muslims and rewriting history.

New low for the SF Chron.

And that's saying something. Disgusting people.

Looks like the mods are deleting the arson posts, but of course still leaving up the personal info and instructions on attacking the RNC delegates.

#139 dcbatlle

Let's launch denial of service attacks on Indymedia.

Let's not.

OK, who's "Richard Hertz"? Fess up...

(Evariste, Thom - I'm looking in your direction...) :)

#139 dcbatlle

errr, bad idea. Let's see indymedia and their travelers prosecuted the legal way.

Dang I can't find my email address on there. I only signed up a few days ago when I learned they had a campus chapter here. I hope those Morlock f*** got mine. Playing with LLL minds is such cheap fun and easy too, almost too easy.

This makes me wonder what will happen next week. Its reassuring to hear this site is more secure, but still if the freaks are up to these kind of measures, who knows what they'll do at the RNC.

I'm thinking these people are mostly all talk, but this hack is already a criminal offense. They deserve jail.

I wish my LLL brother's delusions about AshKKKroft and the facist Patriot Act were just 10% accurate, and those turds advocating arson, and (gasoline and Coke bottles) murder (or assault w/ a deadly weapon, at least) were heading to the detention camps tonight.

My addy is not there.But I am pissed,If they want to play those childish games fine,but if anyone of those people that has those addy get's hurt,I will take it personally and I swear that I will make them wish that they never had stooped down to play those childish games.

It's a shame the Democrats aren't distancing themselves from the brownshirts. I mean, since they didn't cause any problems at the DNC, but are planning to at the RNC, an observer might get the idea these guys -- despite the rhetoric -- are just tools of the Democrats.

Wait... isn't Indymedia funded by big-time Democrats?

139

Bad idea. Dont sink to their level, and ddos is for little punks. There are beter more efficent, private ways to compromise systems.

Frank, LOL! Not I.

What's the big deal?

Isn't the idea of protesting or joining a group like Protest Warrior to get the word out? You guys often blast trolls who choose to be anonymous and now your upset about your privacy being invaded? Fuck. Your WARRIORS. Be proud and revel in your warriorness. Bring it on is right.

That site wasn't hacked and it wasn't cracked. Someone found (or more likely read about) a vulnerability in the mailing list software they use and was able to harvest the subscriber emails. It almost certianly a known vulnerability and if your on it I would expect a sudden influx of spam. Don't think for a second Indymedia has anyong on a professional spammer, if they have it, so do a gazillion marketers.

Myself, I'd be talking to the manager of ProtestWarrior and asking why he didn't bother to read the forums, patch his software or subscribe to the developer list for whatever piece of crap software he is using. This isn't blaming the victim, this is expecting someone who posts a privacy policy to educate himself enough that he can enforce it.

Robert Crawford -

IIRC, Bill Moyers had a role in it.

Troll -

That site wasn't hacked and it wasn't cracked. Someone found (or more likely read about) a vulnerability in the mailing list software they use and was able to harvest the subscriber emails

That makes as much sense as Kerry's explanations of where he was in Christmas 1968.

That site wasn't hacked and it wasn't cracked. Someone found (or more likely read about) a vulnerability in the mailing list software they use and was able to harvest the subscriber emails

Bill Clinton"I didn't have sex with that woman..I was having my horn scraped"

errr, bad idea. Let's see indymedia and their travelers prosecuted the legal way.

My money's on Idymedia getting off scott free. Nobody will prosecute these guys.

154 Determined Idiot

Its a known vulnerability of 24 hour mini-marts that a man with a pistol can force the clerk to turn over all the money in the cash register.

So robbing 7-Eleven's is ok, right?

Troll -

"your" = possessive case of 2nd person pronoun "you"

"you're" = contraction of "you" + "are".

"anyong" = not a ghost of a clue...

Re: ProtestWarrior has been HACKED
by how do I get off that email list
i'm merely an infiltrator there.

PW should be aware of people doing that.

Clinton found, exploited, and harvested known vunerability in in the intern's skull.

Good thing I have their home addresses. Now local activists might pay these nazis a visit at home and "persuade" them not to show up in NYC. If you happen to burn down their house, we will vouch it was an "accident."

Looks like they're prepared to go well beyond turning America's streets into Kristalnaght as they did in Seattle. Now they're prepared to come after individual American homes.

Peace-fascist collaborators should review Misprision of Felony statute;
"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
[18 USC Section 4]

Tips and Leads should be reported @ http://tips.fbi.gov/

#91 Radian

I'm sure someone here hase taken the time to contact the federal authorities

I'm filing a formal complaint with the FBI Internet Fraud site. I'm pissed. My email is on there too.

#154 DT,

Bank vaults may have vulnerabilities, you still can't exploit them to go in and "harvest" the cash.

I checked it out and I'm not on there. Probably because I'm just a Warrior and not a leader. It's easy to send an email to a chapter leader by accessing that info on the site.

So I would imagine it was easy to get that info and copy it over to their site.

Those whose addresses were copied to nazimedia, are you chapter leaders? Is that where it ends?

Although it's crappy for them to do this, it's not surprising. I don't care to get bombarded with email, I just don't want to be ambushed physically...

One thing is always forgotten by these idiots who want to forbid gun ownership: We're the guys with the guns. Think about that before making any housecalls, kids.

#53 Cornholio

I know some of the Federal officers going to NY on task force. They've read all the protester 'plans' and have some 'plans' of their own.

#165 Bernadette

No I am not a leader, but mine is there. Seems to be a sampling or as much as they could get before Alan and Kfir shut things down. From what I hear, they have over 7000 members.

McGreevey found, exploited, and harvested known vunerability in in Golan Cipel's...

oh, OK, I better not go there...

NuclearTinkerbell (#167)

That's comforting. Somebody should send the Nazimedia link to the White House.

As of this morning PW was approaching 8500 members. I didnt find my email on that list. The HQ and the PW forum sites are down. But protestwarrior.com is still up.

I made the cut! I'm on the list!

Looking for somebody who *knows* the answer : is this truly an actionable event? Can we go after IndyMedia and their deep deep pockets?

The irony of class-action lawsuit eating up Tides Foundation money appeals to me. I don't even care if the parasites^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H lawyers keep it all.

I needed a hobby anyway...

#172 Cadrys : Contact the FBI Computer Fraud unit and inform them of it. Let Indymedia rot over it...let them have their machines seized.

Professor Kaos, 8500! That's too cool.

I think before their FOX debut, they were around 3000. That's a big jump in just a couple of months.

#154 DT

Stealing is stealing. Get that straight, otherwise it bloody well is blaming the victim.

And, while the thought of some damn fool appearing in a mask at my door makes me giggle as the old Celt rises in me, it's not funny for someone with kids. Whatever I may think, and however proud I may be to be a member of PW, it's still an invasion of my privacy. I never gave the cracker permission to publish my e-mail addy. I certainly never gave indymedia permission to do so.

If legal action can be brought, I will join. I don't care too much about money, but I want them punished for allowing this garbage on their site.

Ms. Andi -

I'll go back and search for mine again to be sure it's not there, but didn't find it.

By doing a "find on this page" I should know, right?

The Leftists are playing with fire. Do they really want to go tit-for-tat with Right-wing hackers? Do the pencil neck vegetarians and pasty face grad students really want violence in the streets?

I think it's a lot of this is armchair radicalism with no substance behind it. If push came to shove and some real hardasses showed up at their little rally and started busting heads the Leftist wennies would sob and beg for the same police that they normally scream at and call facists.

I'm not advocating counter-violence against these assholes, but if they keep pushing people like this, eventually something will happen.

#77. I am a 5 ft 105 lb female who was attacked by a 50 yr old pacifist a couple of weeks ago and have it all on camera. Martial arts would be great, but honestly, carrying mace for protection and having the police called in advance in our best chance of not being harmed by these violent leftists. The best tactic against these lefties is the element of surprise. Shock and Awe campaign of leftist opposition always throws them off.

#81 Go Dallas PWs!!! I read your featured story on PW hq and you were our inspiration. You guys rock!

#84 Word ;)

ProtestWarrior HQ is being updated with better security measures. No worries though, we will be back online by tomorrow morning. -kfir

This is whats currently up on the HQ site.

#178 Naarah

I'm 5'3", and these days, I'm very slow and stiff, to the point where I'm contemplating using a cane. The trouble with mace is, it's not all that effective, and the police just don't get there in time. There are some simple techniques, mostly involving knowing how to avoid getting hit, that I strongly recommend learning. You're exactly the sort of good person I worry about, because these jerks focus on you, not on the six foot guy with shoulders that blot out the sun.

I am not a soft target, but I've been mistaken for one a few times. I know mace makes you feel safer, but please find someone who can show you the simple stuff that keeps you from getting hurt. It's important, at least to me.

#180...Good suggestion. WA state has an awesome company that teaches people how to protect themselves(run by former special forces guys). I will sign up to take a class like that this month.

Well.

The little fuckers didn't get my email addy somehow but I almost wish they had. I am SO fucking tired of the blatant hypocrisy, ignorance and general nonsense that I have about had it.

This is bigger than just the upcoming election and I think a lot of you realize this - things are building towards some sort of crescendo and it's not going to be a happy one. I may sound like a freaking kook, but can any of you honestly tell me that an all-out civil war is impossible? Far-fetched, possibly... possibly.

I'm too smoking pissed to make much sense right now, if any of you are in/near Asheville and would like to compare notes, get some actions plans in place or just shoot the shit, email me.

Also, I wasn't going to go to the RNC but I most certainly am now - if anyone in my neck of the woods wants to try to coordinate transportation, I'm game. I have an ozone destroying 5.9L Jeep Grand Cherokee, a horrible attitude and a brand new S&W .40.

Lock and load indeed.

Smug.

Oh, another thing... I emailed every "member" of the Asheville PW group and not one response. I'll gladly take the reigns if anyone in hAsheville really wants to do something.

email me.

Smug.

P.S. PIF, dammit... = )

ugh...

Apparently preview is NOT my friend...

I hope this inspires all of you who havent done so to sign up with PW. We have a very active chapter here in San Diego. Theres nothing more enjoyable than watching the confused look on a hippies face when you throw logic at them.

Okay, not to be a post hog, but if any of you out there feel the need to have some defensive measures handy I can supply you with pepper spray, stun guns, tasers, stun batons and a plethora of other goodies at just about wholesale prices. You would pay a couple (literally) bucks over cost and shipping. Email me with any questions and I can get you prices, etc.

I don't have my website up yet but will gladly email info.

Smug

bNOSPAMwolfe@gmail.com

178

A male on female assault in my state is justifiable homicide. My wife is armed and knows that she will any loose any physical fight with a man. If she can not get away or diffuse she will put shots in the 10 ring.

Mace works, but there is no question that a 9mm will work better. Most people run away when a weapon is drawn and fired.

If you do mace someone, be sure to spray their eyes and hands.

#72, Please, you frighten me when you talk about five of you against 350 Seattle lefties! I truly fear for you. Please be careful. These are not nice people.
I go quietly as among the enemy holding only the knowledge of how I am going to vote, and looking for opportunities that are not too dangerous to say a word or two.

I have a hard time figuring out what motivates them. Hate, sure. But why?

Here is the fbi site for Cyber Investigations, and it has a link for "File a complaint through the internet fraud complaint center".
I'm sure that the more complaints they get, the more likely that there will be action taken.

Reposting...
Check out this website (sorry about the long thread, not used to commenting on this site). This is the email that was sent out to all the left wing groups in Seattle in order to combat the "warmongers" that crashed Seattle longest running "peace vigil." This is the email that whipped 350 people into a frenzy of hatred, violence and anger against 5 little Protest Warrior.
misc.activism.progressive

My favorite lines are:

"I don't think that it should ever look like there are more Bush supporters there than progressives"
[Link: 64.4.18.250...]

"By the way, the republican folks were mostly quite friendly, and did not pose any threat to any of us. A bit obnoxious perhaps, with some of their questions, but there is no need to respond to them as they already knowthe "correct" answers."

Classic! These lefties could actually be funny if they were not so scary.

Their plans for the RNC are also available...

[Link: 64.4.18.250...]

I'd be proud to have my name on that list, and I've already added my comments to the pissants website. This may be the straw that makes me get off my butt and become an active contributing member of Protest Warrior.

GTC

People... I strongly recommend that we follow the money.

NYPD is ready for these anarchist idiots. Maybe Indymedia, an anarchist hangout, is already being investigated:

Sources say the NYPD has identified 56 primary anarchists who will be followed 24 hours a day. One supervisor and six cops will be assigned to each person.

Sources say detectives are leaving this weekend for Boston, Washington D.C., North Carolina, and California to begin surveillance and tail the protestors as they travel to New York.

great posts, I am truly fortunate to be in the company of such thoughtful,caring smart people.

the PWs really rock. That is so gutsy, i.e. 5 PW to 350
lefties...and
"Comunists for Kerry--" total LOL.

there was one PW sign at a rally in SF during the ru-up to the Gulf War II--it was something like "Blood for OIL--sounds like a good idea..." but it was funnier than that.
Are those photos archived?

#14 zulubaby
I am the most paranoid person, if my name were on that list I'd be freaking out. I'm freaking out anyway, on behalf of everyone else. This is sinister.

No, zulubaby, I am the most paranoid person. For good reason. You wouldn't believe the effort I've expended to protect my identities. I've expunged all trace of who I am from the Web, with one g*ddamn pesky exception that seems unexpungable. Makes me very very nervous, this one line in one Web page that hasn't even been accessed in 5 years. And it doesn't even reveal who I am -- it just makes a connection between one online persona and another. Now that's paranoid.

Back on topic: this is war. Indymedia just attacked. And not metaphorical war: REAL war. The battle on the internet is practically as important as the battle in "meat-space."

Things are getting very serious. I am girding myself.

Oh my gosh!

That's terrible what Indymedia did! I'm sure they would be wholly pi$$ed if "conservatives" did the same thing. If you want to protest against the RNC and Bush, that's ok, but to resort to publishing everyone's email address and personal info b/c they don't agree with the multiculturists (many of whom are anarchists) is just going to far. Isn't there some legal action that can be taken to get Indymedia shut down? This goes against the right of privacy BIG TIME. This is despicable beyond words. These are our "fellow American citizens" doing this! I really don't know who's worse: Muslims or these American "peace activists".

I just checked their list and I'm not on it. I live in NYC and I'm a little scared at what these anarchists will do when the RNC comes to town in days time. I heard rumors that these "activists" wanted to release rats into restaurants and such!!! You know rats, lil' animals that carry such "peaceful" diseases such as AIDS, plague or even worse...

God! Maybe I should read Orwell's "1984"...I heard many people recommend this book. They say with what's going on now, Orwell predicted that the world would get this stage. Whoever had their email and personal info violated by indymedia, I hope you're successful in getting your info removed.

#196

Don't panic.

Since when do rats carry AIDS? Link, please.

As for the plague, it's the fleas that ride on the rats, not the rats.

Calm down.

#67 ballantrae

Btw which more secure, postgres or MySQL?

postgres, according to vulnerability incident reports.

I prefer FreeBSD myself. But, I'm poor!

Sorry to be pedantic, but the source of this kind of attacks is not usually on the kernel nor on the SQL engine, but on bugs of the web application. It is, if the app has an unsecured way to disclose information, the backend doesn't matter at all.

This is, assuming this was a code injection exploit (it sounds like one), not a stack smashing like code red or the likes.

#197

OK, I'm too lazy to google about rats carrying AIDS but even if fleas on rats are responsible for plague, I still wouldn't want to be in Starbucks, enjoying a caramel macchiato and some "peaceful anarchist" decides to go against a big corporation by unleashing rats into the place of business. The point I was trying to make was these peace activists can be downright nasty when the situation arises, and that situation is the RNC. Maybe nothing bad will happen...but then again..."maybe" something will...I just hope for the best (Am I an optimist?)

I think these wackos underestimate an important factor when they try to use these intimidation tatics. I think they actually believe we won't defend ourselves or can't figure out who is behind it. They are in for a shock. These people don't even understand what real violence is. It's just a juvenille fantasy. Those who have experience brutal raw violence would never talk like that.

Okay folks, it's 4 a.m. est and I have to get to bed but here's the skinny:

I have posted all and I do mean ALL the pertinent information on the RNC Delegates situation to the Chairman of the RNC with instructions to bring in the FBI or whomever to investigate the hacking. I don't want to be more specific because the morlocks are reading our mail. More tomorrow.

Nite all!

TO: Terp Mole
RE: Going for Home

"Looks like they're prepared to go well beyond turning America's streets into Kristalnaght as they did in Seattle. Now they're prepared to come after individual American homes." -- Terp Mole

Use of deadly force is authorized against someone about to perform an act of arson on a building that could be occupied by people.

Inside the house, in this state, you can use deadly force if you are in fear for the life of someone in the house. It's the Make My Day Law. My scout platoon sergeant used it, before it became a law. We suspect he didn't call the police until the stupid burgler had just about bleed to death after being shot with a large caliber pistol in the thigh.

RE: The Threat

I'd take any such message sent to me personally as evidence to justify a concealed carry permit. And I'd bring it the attention of the police. May as well start building the case.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Never bring a pistol to a gunfight that starts with any number below 4. -- US Marine Rules for Gunfighting]

I don't think they got the full PW list- my address is not on there.

#196 Queen_Meroe

I heard rumors that these "activists" wanted to release rats into restaurants and such!!! You know rats, lil' animals that carry such "peaceful" diseases such as AIDS, plague or even worse...

You mean these rats?
If anyone bothers to import a bunch of rats to NYC, I want to know: 1) What the h*ll they were thinking? 2) Where did they get the rats and how did they transport them? 3) How many seconds the invading rat army lasted before getting jumped, and beaten to death with little rat nun-chucks by the tough, native NY rats?

Please, someone take a video of the rat release.

about the only practical effect I can see of the nerds getting ahold of our email addresses is they'll sell em to a couple thousand spammers to clog up our inboxes. Dear god no, not MORE viagra ads.

I do find it amusing that the "corporate elite" they hate so much are responsible for making all of the parts that constitute their computer (ie their only social outlet).

How many seconds the invading rat army lasted before getting jumped, and beaten to death with little rat nun-chucks by the tough, native NY rats?

Delightful image!

NYPD has identified 56 primary anarchists and their employers...

OK, I added the last 3 words as a joke.

I wonder if they used Patchouli-sniffing dogs?

People should not get their knickers in a twist over this.

#67 Ballantrae

With regard to OpenBSD:

a.) Most computer security professionals consider OpenBSD's security features to be rather worse than their advertising suggests. Contact me off list for some examples of security holes they have introduced into their code by blindly applying code `audits' and not listening to suggestions from people who know what they're doing. Both of the other BSD projects, particularly NetBSD, have a much better record on providing, rather than claiming, security.

b.) Theo DeRaadt, the founder and autocratic leader (his words) of the OpenBSD project is a paid-up card-carrying moorlock moonbat, who recently talked himself out of a juicy government grant by insisting that he was not willing to `write code which might support US oppression in Iraq' or some such moonbatry.

My email was on the list but i haven't recieved anything as of yet.

TO: Gruen
RE: In a Twist Over This

"People should not get their knickers in a twist over this." -- Gruen

Not so much over the fact that that site's data files were hacked. But over the item that is being addressed a few doors up the hall from here, i.e., the threat e-mail.

I don't care if it was merely e-mail and the dweeb who sent it is a sadistic drunk, it's still communicating a 'threat'. And it's against the law.

There may be too many such cretins out there for the police to deal with, so one had better be prepared to deal with them oneself, should the necessity arise.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Guns don't kill people. I kill people. -- US Army Airborne-Ranger-Infantry]

Chuck,

If you really think a bunch of spotty geeks who probably haven't seen sunlight in 5 years constitue a threat then you're beyond help.

There are bigger battles to fight, you're just allowing yourself to descend to their level.

TO: Gruen
RE: Murder & Mayham...

"If you really think a bunch of spotty geeks who probably haven't seen sunlight in 5 years constitue a threat then you're beyond help." -- Gruen

...a game anybody can play.

Look at Heinrich Himmler. There's a 'spotty geek'. And look what he accomplished.

Besides. I'm a one too. Spotty geek that is. Just ask evariste. But I'm one who can make bombs out of Bisquick. [Note: The Army taught me that. As well as being pretty good with a .45 cal ACP. Not to mention an M21.]

Did McVeigh's picture strike you as someone who could kill 183 people?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God is alive and Airborne-Ranger qualified. -- graffiti on a latrine wall at Fort Benning School for Boys]

I heard rumors that these "activists" wanted to release rats into restaurants and such!!! You know rats, lil' animals that carry such "peaceful" diseases such as AIDS, plague or even worse...

Um, believe me, there are already plenty of rats in NYC restaurants . . .

Hi, I volunteer for PW, and I am repsonsible for most of HQ, including its security and overall design.

Fist I want to sincerely apologize for any inconvience I may have indirectly caused. We are not sure how they got in, but I have been busy plugging any possible holes -- including putting in sleepless nights to relaunch a more secure version of HQ. A security analyist took a look at our code base, and less than 24 hours later, we have plugged the holes he audited.

What you need to worry about.
about 1 out of 4-5 PWer's emails (around 2400) were collected.
you could be spammed.

What you don't need to worry about.
Hackers getting ahold of your personal information.
We know they didn't have access to anyone's personal data. That remained secure, and beyond thier reach.

Again, thanks for your consdiration and support, and I hope this doesn't change your relationship with ProtestWarrior, or your willingness to join our fight to make America a little saner place.

Sincerely,
Brian Cavanagh

New Yourk's rats say, "bring it on!"

[Link: www.agrizap.com...]

Adams has been hunting and killing New York's notorious ''super rats'' for 27 years, but city agencies and politicians now are scurrying like never before to rout the extraordinarily fecund rodents, which spread fear and uncleanliness across the city and can cause disease.

As long as there are rats, health authorities say, there is the potential for rodent-borne disease such as the plague, which has never occurred in New York. A rodent-borne illness called leptospirosis has been diagnosed in only two people in the last 10 years in New York; otherwise the city has been free of such diseases.

Experts have no precise way of counting New York's rat population, but estimates range from as low as 8 million -- about one rat per person living in the city's five boroughs -- to as high as 25 million.

So who is winning the war on rats?

``I'm gonna tell you: Nobody's winning. But we're not losing,'' said Adams, who specializes in baiting his prey and artfully applying poison powder and pellets to kill rats, according to his colleagues on the Rat Patrol.

Adams said he has developed methods to bait rats, which are neophobic (that is, they avoid the unfamiliar and stick to familiar surroundings and familiar food).

Scientists say rats live about a year. A female can conceive at two months old and can become pregnant again just 48 hours after giving birth to a litter, which usually numbers five to seven rats.

The description ``rats as big as cats'' has become an urban legend and part of the city's lexicon, but in reality, Gibson says, they do not grow that large. He said the biggest reach 18 inches from the top of the head to the tip of the tail.

I'm not sure if my name made it to that list...
But me, sturm and ruger are makin' sure they don't get too big for their britches around my property.

Hey everyone, I have a question, and I would appreciate any response...
I saw that my e-mail address DID get onto that list.
The thing I was wondering is, can someone find out your home address information/telephone number/etc, the information that is registered with your email address (it is my private one through my ISP), JUST by knowing your email address? I know that there are websites out there that claim to search an email address that you give them to see who it belongs to.
So I went to one of those sites and it had a disclaimer saying "* Disclaimer: We limit retrieval to documents or information available from a public entity or public utility which are intended for public use and do not further elaborate on that information contained in the public entity or public utility records."
So does that mean that they can't find anything out just by knowing an email address?

Just curious. I highly doubt they'd spend the $40 bucks for it anyway, but I was just wondering about it.

By the way, has anyone who's email was on the list been getting sent any viruses? My anti-virus software has caught two already, both Netzky...