I'd like to investigate them with a truncheon.

OT

Yet again, let me say - Fox's Martha McCallum, total hottie.

Back on topic, its nice to see the USS take these thug tactics seriously (although I never had any doubts).

And what does it say about the ACLU that they'll defend this kind of crap? (rhetorical question, of course) One news report I heard said that the lists gave out social security number and birthdate info as well. I haven't seen that in any of the print articles today.

I cannot express the depths of my contempt for the ACLU.

Indymedia pointing to this as "Evidence that Ashcroft is a book-buring free-speech quashing fascist" in 3...2...1...

“This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation and a message to activists that they will pay a price for speaking out,”

Why is it that they always try to hide their vile actions under the flag of free speech?? Endangering people by putting their personal info on the net WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION is not speaking out you idiot!!!

Damn these people get to me...

Even if subjected to Abu Ghraib-like torture, they'll never give up the location where the pink tanks are manufactured.

That's sweet.

It's funny how the site's administrators claim no responsibility.

Could the ACLU be anymore worthless and partisan?

Just to state the obvious, if the published list was of delegates to the Democratic convention, the MSM would be screaming BLOODY HELL. Expect this to be downplayed as well.

Can't wait for this to go before a judge. Only the looniest of the left leaning would agree with the ACLU's position. The level-headed response would be to look down at the ACLU lawyers and tell them, in no simple terms, that they're fighting an unwinnable case. The Nazimedia pricks had the chance to delete the post, turn over the poster to the Feds, and warn others against such actions. Since they threw away that chance in the name of "free speech," they deserve to spend time in the pokey.

This Moonbat got WHOIS-ed and got his info posted on the thread, but the post was deleted a few hours later.

“This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation and a message to activists that they will pay a price for speaking out,” said Ann Beeson, the ACLU’s associate legal counsel.

Funny, the Islamists running the humaniterrorism organizations say the same sort of thing when the FBI investigates them. Expect the next word on the esteemed counsel's lips to be "McCarthyism".

Damn - blogging like crazy today, Charles.

#10

If it was Democratic Delegates the MSM would be demanding an investigation and saying that the evil Bushitler was behind it all, pulling the strings...

As it stands now, since it was only evil republican delegates, it was just political speech that must be protected...f'ing amazing...screw you ACLU

OK, in the opinion of Ann Beeson , of the ACLU, we must not violate the rights of the subversives to publish addresses and private info about Republicans.
So, I presume she will defend my right to publish on the Internet anything regarding HER private life. Addresses, numbers of telephone, SS numbers, license plates, maybe income, credit card numbers, friends, little private stories, etc.

THANK YOU ACLU, hunting season is open.
I guess you are better in courts than in the wild.

YES!

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!

I jumped out of my chair cheering when I saw this... and I never did.

I hope Nessie gets 30 years, that freaking Nazi-loving "I only censor Zionists" racist.

The question I have is who in Republican circles is releasing this info to the Nazimedia types. Aren't there unique dummy entries being made to each copy of this kind of list, so that when one of them turns up in public containing one of the dummies it can be determined who exactly leaked it?

Lets not forget they published PW hack information as well as directions on fax bombing, ddos links and servers to kill.

They are slime and will try to say we just host the forum..Post a swift vet article and see how long it stays up.

How did they get the aclu so far up their ass so quick..

Excellent point Mr Evariste.Who be da mole in the HQ?Who who who...

How dare you invade my privacy and violate my rights to invade the privacy and violate the rights of conservatives!!!

//Indymediaidiot

What does the law really say about acts like this? Is it illegal just because the information is private, or is it only illegal if there's some implicit threat of violence in revealing the information?

But federal law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the probe is active, said there were concerns that posting of the delegate lists could subject the delegates to harassment, acts of violence or identity theft.

But leftist are peaceful people!!! (Do I need to mention this was sarcastic?)

OT - any ya' all heard of Link TV? Stumbled across it during an insomniac surf session last night - channel 375 on my Direc TV.

Link TV is the first national network offering a global perspective on news, current events and culture, presenting viewpoints seldom covered in the U.S. media.

Translation: The West is the Personification Of Evil In The World.

The "documentary" I saw was a fawning stroke-fest of Al Jazeera.

Following the show, Harry Belafonte turned up, begging viewers for money. The production values were quite good during the 25 minutes I watched.

So, is it okay if someone posts a list of all the ACLU lawyers, where they live, phone numbers, email address, kids names, route to work, favorite color, the atrocity(ies) defended, etc... I'm sure they defend that person's right to free speech.

I feel a chill wind

Meanwhile, a kind of warm and humid wind is decending on the Chesapeake.

A warm, humid wind with embedded tropical funnels and tornadoes!

#24 brianstein

Yikes! They may as well have called it Moonbat TV.

O/T:

Guess who supports George Bush.

Only in America, baby!!

It is simpler that that... Voter intimidation is a very serious crime in a democracy.

The investigation will not punish those who post public information, but those who use it to intimidate, and harrass voters. They might be the same people, but that is what the investigation is about.

Putting some fear into Indymedia might be just a side note.

If you were an investigator, and you were investigating voter intimidation, you would want to investigate the people who are providing the tools.

Freedom of speech does not allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater, OR hand out leaflets suggesting it either.

There are several lists of Republican National Convention delegates posted on the Indymedia site, including one listing more than 2,000 of them. Included are names, home addresses, e-mail addresses and the New York-area hotels where many are staying.

I don't see how you can interpret this as anything but harrassment and intimidation.

I wonder if Big Media will report this? If they do, how much you want to bet they will leave the above facts out.

#24 brianstein

Following the show, Harry Belafonte turned up, begging viewers for money

Or what, Mr. Tally Man gonna take him home?

Yay! About bloody time!

Now I'll go read the rest of our comments.

O/T but interesting: new reports say the post 9/11 air crash over Queens was al-Qaeda. Not that it's a big surprise ...

#31 Freaky Boy

Or what, Mr. Tally Man gonna take him home?

Either that or Mr. Talliban.

OT: Comrade Brokaw just finished interviewing Scott O'Grady (Bosnia pilot).
O'Grady has publicly accused Kerry of treason in reference to his Paris trip and ensuing Senate testimony.
He was very articulate and very correct.
Brokaw couldn't shake him no matter how hard he tried.

I hope the Secret Service agents wrestle them to the ground, like Hinckley.

Do they really think it's acceptable to threaten people if it's done with a wink and nudge?

So, I presume she will defend my right to publish on the Internet anything regarding HER private life. Addresses, numbers of telephone, SS numbers, license plates, maybe income, credit card numbers, friends, little private stories, etc.

Apparently you're note famaliar with the double standard principle. These rules do not apply to the ALCU.

"The American Civil Liberties Union, whose lawyers are representing the Web site’s administrators, gave the Secret Service the e-mail addresses of the administrators in a letter Monday. But the ACLU pointed out that they are not responsible for postings of lists of GOP delegates because the site guarantees anonymity to anyone who wants it.

The higlighted bit is key, but rather sloppy grammatically. At first glance, it appears to say that the ACLU is not responsible for the posting of delegates' names, etc. The more telling aspect of that sentence, and its' implications for weblogs with comments and internet forums. I'm not sure that their reasoning will stand up in court.

Can any of the lawyers here tell me if there's any case law to back uo the ACLU's assertion that webhosts are not responsible for what gets posted by outsiders with access to their site? It's tantamount to the ACLU arguing that Indymedia wouldn't be responsible for an incidence of criminal or terrorist activity committed by a party(ies) that used their forums to organize or recruit for criminal purposes, and that seems a bit of a reach on their part.

Meanwhile, on a packed railway train, many thousands of miles from the topic...
From Mohandis to Moonbat: Gandhi's Grandson Urges "Non-Violent" Invasion of Israel

The grandson of Mahatma Gandhi has urged Palestinian refugees to march home from Jordan en masse, even if the Israelis opened fire and killed protesters, to shock the world into taking notice.

Arun Gandhi, above, whose grandfather helped end British control over the Indian subcontinent, proposed to the Palestinian Parliament a peaceful march of 50,000 refugees across the Jordan River and said MPs should lead the way.

"What would happen? Maybe the Israeli army would shoot and kill several. They may kill 100. They may kill 200 men, women and children. And that would shock the world. The world will get up and say, 'What is going on?' " he said.

Asher Abrams

O/T but interesting: new reports say the post 9/11 air crash over Queens was al-Qaeda. Not that it's a big surprise .

Not true, the plane was mostly full of non-Bush supporters! This was obviously the work of the Chimptard, meant to distract from his culpability in the Enron mess which his Bush 1 started.

/MM

anyone have the link showing Kerry's great plan of giving nuclear material to Iran?

Why is the information public? I can see the delegates names and hometowns being public information, but not the rest.

Can anyone explain?

I hope reaganite is on the USSS Indymedia investigation team!

If I was the Secret Service, I would grab those servers before they can be wiped. And all the computers at the IdiotMedia center. There are always telltails. Chances are they would learn way more than they expect.

31 Freaky boy

Seen it before...couldn't believe it. I think (not sure) it's based in Canada, but it is a virtual freak show of everything un-American..."all enemies, all the time" should be their motto. They did a "documentary" on the security wall in palestine, the whole tome decrying the injustice, stating that there were other Jews who would be left on the wrong side of the wall to fend for themselves, how Israel has patrols guarding the construction worker from "frustrated youths throwing stones" but never mentioned that the IDF was guarding Palestinian contractors!!! They should rename it the Castro Entertainment Network!!

FLORIDA OR ONE OF THE CAROLINAS? THAT IS THE QUESTION!

Well, not looking as good for my prediction of a Carolinas hurricane for Labor Day Weekend, but it is still early. I'd guess Charleston, S.C. with a near repeat of Hugo, but I guess this is just like football. On any given Sunday, yada, yada, yada...

HURRICANE FRANCES DISCUSSION NUMBER 24
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT MON AUG 30 2004

REPORTS FROM A NOAA P-3 HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE INDICATE THAT THE CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 948 MB AND THERE WAS A FLIGHT LEVEL... 700 MB...WIND OF 122 KT JUST EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER. BASED ON THESE DATA THE CURRENT INTENSITY IS INCREASED TO 110 KT.
THERE IS STRONG UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW AND VERTICAL SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN LOW. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY DUE TO INNER CORE PROCESSES...SUCH AS THE CONCENTRIC EYEWALLS THAT WERE OBSERVED BY THE HURRICANE HUNTERS AND ALSO SEEN IN TRMM AND SSM/I DATA. HOWEVER... ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLE AND THE OFFICIAL WIND SPEED FORECAST IS PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE.

THE WIND RADII HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED A LITTLE BASED ON OBSERVATIONS FROM THE STEPPED-FREQUENCY MICROWAVE RADIOMETER...SFMR...ON BOARD THE NOAA AIRCRAFT.

THE HURRICANE REMAINS ON TRACK...275/12. A DEEP-LAYER SUBTROPICAL RIDGE IS LIKELY TO PREVAIL TO THE NORTH OF FRANCES OVER THE NEXT
SEVERAL DAYS. BEYOND 72 HOURS...SOME WEAKENING OF THIS RIDGE IS INDICATED BY THE GLOBAL MODELS. THE BAD NEWS FOR THE BAHAMAS AND FLORIDA PENINSULA IS THAT THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT MID-LATITUDE
TROUGH IN THE CURRENT MODEL FORECASTS THROUGH 5 DAYS THAT COULD SUBSTANTIALLY WEAKEN THIS RIDGE. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS SOME SLOWING AND A SLIGHT BENDING OF THE TRACK TOWARD THE NORTHWEST
BEYOND 72 HOURS...BUT THIS FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED A LITTLE LEFT IN COMPARISON TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. THIS IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH
THE CONSENSUS OF THE DYNAMICAL MODELS.

ONCE AGAIN...IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NOT TO FOCUS ON THE EXACT TRACK...ESPECIALLY AT 96 AND 120 HOURS...BECAUSE THE HURRICANE IS
NOT A POINT...ESPECIALLY A HURRICANE AS LARGE AS FRANCES...AND FORECASTS AT THESE EXTENDED TIME RANGES CAN EASILY HAVE ERRORS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES.

FORECASTER PASCH

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 30/2100Z 19.5N 60.0W 110 KT
12HR VT 31/0600Z 19.7N 62.1W 115 KT
24HR VT 31/1800Z 20.2N 64.8W 115 KT
36HR VT 01/0600Z 21.0N 67.4W 115 KT
48HR VT 01/1800Z 22.0N 70.0W 115 KT
72HR VT 02/1800Z 24.0N 74.0W 120 KT
96HR VT 03/1800Z 25.5N 77.0W 120 KT
120HR VT 04/1800Z 27.5N 80.0W 120 KT

Visible loop, Hurricane Frances.

Big picture West Atlantic satellite. Note the 120 hour forecast position is approaching the Kennedy Space Center as a Cat 4 Hurricane.

"...The posting of publicly available information about people who are in the news should not trigger an investigation.”

This is true. I could go through the phone book and post the information there on a website without any legal problems. My email addresswas public on the PW site but I had to join up to see other members' addresses.
The problem is Toups hacked PW to avoid having to join PW and copy/paste all 7500 addresses and then used Kfir Alfia's account to send out that insipid email. Indymedia then posted the hacked information, so in my mind they were complicit in the crime. Sort of like a thief and a fence.
I'm not a lawyer but I can see how this makes Toups and Indymedia culpable.

#40.

This is not really a departure from Gandhi's original message. He may have said and done a lot of admirable things, but when it came to Jews Gandhi was a raving moonbat.
Case in point- he argued that the Jews of Europe should let the Germans kill them in order to win a "moral victory."

#39, Charles could probably tell it better, but the idea is that when you run a public board, it's like the phone company running lines, nobody holds the phone company responsible if someone says, "booger!" over their lines. But the board is still responsible for removing bad stuff, once informed. This gets a bit sticky when the stuff gets reposted.

radical, accurate and passionate

More like raving, apoplectic, and purile.

Endangering people by putting their personal info on the net WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION is not speaking out you idiot!!!

Aren't RNC delegate's information already publically available on the interenet, with their permission because they are public figures, registered with the state?

-- “The posting of publicly available information about people who are in the news should not trigger an investigation.”--

Unless it's her information.

But I'm not that computer-savvy.

“...This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation and a message to activists that they will pay a price for speaking out,” said Ann Beeson, the ACLU’s associate legal counsel. “The posting of publicly available information about people who are in the news should not trigger an investigation.”

Yes it is, Ann dear, and don't you forget it!

I have this overwhelming urge to grin from ear to ear
;)

Ed

I noticed it lost some wind velocity earlier; could it be that some sheering is going on with this storm??

# 42 S L

As of a couple minutes ago, the links within the entry worked (Yes I visited J Forbes K's site -- your welcome!)

J Forbes K to"'call mullahs bluff" (!)

#46 paxnhymm

You can blame up for porous borders, bad weather (sometimes) and socialized medicine, but Link TV is definitely 100% American. Although, in some ways, it does remind me of the CBC.

41/FreakyBoy,

Thanks for the clarification!

51 Doug

it is my understanding that some of the information was of SS# and the like...THAT...is very illegal! As stated earlier it is a kind of intimidation that the Secret Service does not take kindly too. This is the kind of tactics the left has resorted to, like sending union thugs..err...reps to act as poll watchers...sounds like Jim Crow all over again...makes you wonder who really is the party of democracy...

This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation and a message to activists that they will pay a price for speaking out,” said Ann Beeson, the ACLU’s associate legal counsel. “The posting of publicly available information about people who are in the news should not trigger an investigation.”

Besides, this nice list makes it easy for any k-nob with a computer and an axe to grind to track down and make quack like a duck any non-anarchist they want. Isn't that what freedoms are for?

The problem is Toups hacked PW to avoid having to join PW and copy/paste all 7500 addresses and then used Kfir Alfia's account to send out that insipid email. Indymedia then posted the hacked information...

I am getting really disappointed in LGF recently... this is how I saw things fall:

1. Someone anonymously posts to nazimedia a story about how protestwarrior was hacked.
2. Linked to by LGF
3. LGF commenteers do a whois on indymedia find Toups' name
4. Now Toups hacked into protestwarrior?

This doesn't make logical sense... what if I posted anonymously here to LGF saying I hacked Michael Moore's website, then Nazimedia did a whois on littlegreenfootballs.com and find whatever name is listed there and say that HE hacked Michael Moore's site? I would be pissed because it would've been me, not LGF!

Comon guys, we need to have our facts straight, or else we are going to look stupid!

#35 Frank NH
I saw that. O'Grady was unflappable.

OT - I just found this:

One of the editors at al-Reuters wrote a letter condemning those who want to stop partial birth abortions. But that's not the issue. This editor slams Bush.

They're getting sloppy over there and almost as obviously wacko as dhimmimedia.

#55 Buckaroo

Thanks. I'm trying to convince a ABB voter how dangerous Kerry is, but since I'm in NY I'm wasting my time.

OT: About that spy scandal, the Villlage Voice has it all figured out.

Funnily enough, the words "Wolfowitz" and "Haliburton" fail to appeal, but some of the other usual suspects who regularly figure in the el cubos' overheated imaginations are there.

# 63 S L

Keep up the good work! It's never hopeless until you stop!

What's the particular strain of BDS this person suffers from? WMD "lie"? F9/11 belief? We may have targeted treatments available!
:-)

There was some shearing earlier, but water vapor imagery suggests outflow is improving. The system is also surrounded by rather dry air, which isn't super favorable. But the air is less dry the further west Frances heads.

Still about 10m/s shear southerly shear, which isn't perfect for development, but isn't too bad.

Pressures, which had been rising slightly most of the day, have started falling again, meaning the slight weakening is over.

Official NHC track graphic saying Florida gets hit before South Carolina.

could this also come under the stalker laws as well?

#45 2x4 wielder

If I was the Secret Service, I would grab those servers before they can be wiped. And all the computers at the IdiotMedia center. There are always telltails. Chances are they would learn way more than they expect.

you'd think they'd have doen this beforehand. Maybe soem smart person has doen taht allready? The hosts of these sites must keep logs probably.

OT, and involves the "A" word.

But an al-Reuters editor reveals how fair and unbiased he is.

#60 doug2:

Isn't it interesting though that Matthew Toups turns out to be the system admin. in charge of N.Y. Indymedia? I'm taking that information from the N.Y. Times article. So whether by bad luck or whatever, his name surfaced (on the PW hacking and threatening email) and then he also turns out to be involved in the dissemination of the RNC Delegates Address Lists etc.

68, meet 62.

Pleasure to meet you 62

Thanks Ed. We really like(d) our house.

From the article,

“This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. You guys should get to know each other. You have a lot in common.

OT-

We've given all our donation money already, but we have a friend who's been sending monthly checks to Bush-Cheney. He wants to know who he should send next months check to.

I know that Bush-Cheney is now limited to spending $74 million, and that 527s have to quit advertising soon.

Is the RNC money limited now, or are they a good choice for him?

I looked around a little on the internet with no luck, I figured someone here would know the answer.

Thanks in Advance

OT

Some new poll evidence giving a clearer lead to Bush :

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

# 68 Ed

Saw that a day or two ago; The al-Reuters mask slips! (what little is left of it, anyway)

OT (not necessarily a bad thing, I'm starting to think) -

I've collected some recent releases on 587 here.

#72. I can't give you a precise answer, but there a various Repbulican groups/committees, that direct funds

Like the Senate caucus, or the state parties. Maybe even a local congressional candidate involved i a tight race.

The more whakko the left gets, the easier it will get to defeat Hanoi Kerry. I still really can't believe these people thing it's a free speech right to publish iformation that could put people in jeopardy.

My husband made up a bumbersticker during one of the ACLU's last idiocies (LA County Seal). It reads: "F the ACLU!" Not very original, but we like it.

The ACLU is no longer a true civil rights organization.

It merely plays politics.

When web sites are used by patrons to publish - say - the names and addresses of Planned Parenthood's patients, the ACLU is then concerned with the right to privacy...

Can this be a drinking thread?

I think the londoners on LGF know what the Notting Hill Carnival is about. I went there, with friends who had a chilled drinks stand...

Now, fellow lizards, repeat with me:
"I will not drink alcohol neither eat junk food again; I will not drink alcohol neither eat junk food again;..."

#25 FreakyBoy

So, is it okay if someone posts a list of all the ACLU lawyers, where they live, phone numbers, email address, kids names, route to work...

I humbly ask if you could please pass on that list I would be most grateful. It's for research purposes only, umm.. term paper, ahhh ... yeah.

#72 Elizabeth B.

As I understand it, the Bush/Cheney campaign cannot accept checks after Thursday night, but you can still donate to the RNC after that.

abu Ed:

I feel a chill wind

Meanwhile, a kind of warm and humid wind is decending on the Chesapeake.

Dude, nice segue!

Of course, this is just another example of the evil Ashcroft trying to surpress dissent. If he's so quick to surpress dissent, how can they account for the presence of all of those unemployed dopes in Manhattan this week? (And if these morons are all so worried about improving the US economy, why don't they get a friggin' job and pay some taxes?)

Back on topic. did the ACLU take the same position in the case of the postings of the personal information of the abortion providers?

I fail to see if this situation is any different, since it was an obvious attempt to expose those "evil Republicans" to abuse or worse, by Indymedia morlocks?

#79 FabioC:

Now, fellow lizards, repeat with me:

Not a chance in hell. Now gimme back my beer.

hmmm, and what is the ACLU's position on BOTH candidates suggesting POLITICAL FREE SPEECH should be silenced?

Did I miss their press release on this?

Apparently not.

"It is probably no accident that freedom of speech is the first freedom mentioned in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The Constitution’s framers believed that freedom of inquiry and liberty of expression were the hallmarks of a democratic society."

[Link: www.aclu.org...]

but nothing on either Kerry or Bush's comments about 527s.

Guess they have their priorities on right.

#72 Elizabeth B.

Tell him to keep sending his money to the RNC or the GOP's Senate or House Committees. I just finished reading Hugh Hewitt's newest book - If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat - and his argument is that the GOP needs to win not only this election but in every election for the next 10 years. We can not afford to have the Democrats (in their current state) controlling either the Whitehouse, Senate or House. Just do a google search for Republican and House or Senate and you will find the sites. After reading Hewitt's book, I'm making a monthly committment to both of these GOP committees.

He wants to know who he should send next months check to

How about to the Ohio state republican organization? W has to win Ohio.

I wonder how the ACLU would feel if a list of its directors and key administrative people, including a raft of personal information were to be obtained and broadcast over the internet by opponents to the ACLU's political agenda?

I believe the ACLU would be suing the culprits and demanding a Justice Department investigation to be followed by Congressional investigations. I don't think they'd be defending the First Amendment rights of the perpetrators.

In fact, I would think that the convention delegates themselves would have personal lawsuits for invasion of privacy against those that gathered and published this information.

# 79 Fabio

to the USSS, for having the tneacity to bring the lawbreakers within ISM to justice!

Salud!!

OT dumb question

what is the "rss" link at the bottom of post?

#39 sharona

Can any of the lawyers here tell me if there's any case law to back uo the ACLU's assertion that webhosts are not responsible for what gets posted by outsiders with access to their site?

Even if Indymedia is not formally responsible for the content, many poster here can attest, that Indymedia do censor their site on regular basis, so the case can be made that they were perfectly aware of the illigal content posted on their site, and did not take measures they usually take against much lesser offences such as posts that contradict their party line, which are removed regularily.

OT

Tonight's "invocation" at the RNC will be given by "Imam Pasha" of New York, NY.

[Link: www.2004nycgop.org...]

This is what CAIR has to say about him:

NY IMAM TO GIVE INVOCATION AT GOP CONVENTION

On Monday, August 30, Imam Izak-El Mu'eed Pasha, the Muslim chaplain of the New York City Police Department will give an invocation at the Republican Party convention. Pasha is the Imam, or spiritual leader, of Harlem's Malcolm Shabazz Masjid. In June 1999, New York Mayor Giulianni appointed Pasha as the city's first Muslim police chaplain.

The convention is scheduled to start at 7:45 p.m. Pasha's invocation is the fifth item in the order of business.

[Link: www.cair-net.org...]

#45 2x4 -- "If I was the Secret Service, I would grab those servers before they can be wiped. And all the computers at the IdiotMedia center. There are always telltails. Chances are they would learn way more than they expect. "

Gee, if they start wiping those servers now, they'd be just like those accountants who started shredding the Enron materials.

Now, this group of fine progressive liberals wouldn't want to behave like the big bad capitalist corporate looters now would they?

Oboy... Via the Link TV site I mentioned earlier in the thread: Veteran White House Correspondent Helen Thomas on Iraq: "We've really Damaged Our Psyche, Our Soul, Our Image"

AMY GOODMAN: You said even Kerry. What do you mean?

HELEN THOMAS: Well, when he's -- was supporting, he would still support the war, despite the fact that none of the facts stack up. And then he said the president should have the authority. Authority, you know, I mean, it was shocking. I think that’s very misplaced; dictators have authority.

Someone call the NYT - Kerry supports an entrenched dictator. Shocking!

#72 Eliz...

I'm alwasy accepting donations.

# 90 Red

A technical answer that includes some real, live, common English words too! :-)

#87 Security Mom
Good suggestion!
Also, the Cleveland area GOP. Or, Ed Herman, the guy running against Dennis Kucinich for his house seat. Both face an uphill battle. They say that without Cuyahoga, the state is about 20 points up for the President, so if they can get the Cuyahoga County numbers up a bit he will easily win the state. The Party leaders calculate that the Pres needs to win >38% in the County, which is, I think, more than he got last time .

#96

Thanks.

I'd really like to have onem ore shot, but I must stop here if I want to function tomorrow at work.
Why this cute korean girl I like prefers women to me??

I'm totally sick of the ACLU fucktards coming out with bullshit about harrassment. Posting personal information about delegates is totally inapproriate and certainly is a violation of their privacy. It indeed does endanger delagates and I hope Indymedia gets its ass prosecuted to the hilt.

OT: Abu Ed Moran weather guy extaordinaire:
Given that predictions 96 - 120 hours out are iffy- but what is Frances likely to do after hitting Fla and/ or SC? (Not another Isabel, please.) DC lizards want to know.

I recall when Hugo hit Charleston it was predicted to move NE along the coast, DC was to get heavy rain and wind. Once Hugo hit land it headed straight NW for Ohio. We had a gorgeous day here.

Whatever happened to the idea of seeding storms so they dissipate? If we can put a man on the moon and depose two tyrannical governments in less than two years, why can't we tame hurricanes?

Thanks all!

I'll let him know.

Ohio is an interesting suggestion.

Sorry, Joel2. I don't think you'll make the cut, but I will pass on your answer--my friend will get a kick out of it.

ploome,

It's obviously a "Nation of Islam" mosque too.

Weird choice:

Masjid Malcolm Shabazz, New York, NY. One of the most famous and historical Masjid (Mosque) in the United States. The Masjid became famous under the leadership of Malcolm X during the late 50s to the early 60s. From the late 60s to the late 70s it was the headquarters of the National spokesman of the Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan. Today the Masjid has become a model community leader in business and community development.

OT: Excellent piece from the JPost on France's trauma.

It reiterates the link between global Jew-hatred and global terror.

Bunch of putzes. Queslings.

Been a rough day, #1

# 104 SCJ

So, is NoI (relatively speaking, of course) "better" of "worse" than a whabbi mosque?

Buckaroo

I wouldn't say better or worse - just different. It is equally as hateful.

Way, way OT, and please feel free to say nasty things to me about it.

But I just got some information that upset me.

The Foundation I work for got a proposal that, for purely technical reasons, we can't fund. But this is the sort of group I wish we could.

They're called "Friends of Sound Horses" and they're organized to do something about something called "soring" of Tennessee Walking Horses.

Soring is applying caustic chemicals to the inside of the hoof to make the horse pick its feet up because they hurt.

Oh. My. God.

Anyway, they can be found at this address

Re: Invocation my Imam of Nation of Islam mosque. Can you say "pander"?

I think we need to focus on how to protect the people who had their names released. There is no way in hell that the assholes at Indymedia and at the ACLUseless will ever get anything but praise and encouragement for this crap.
We're it not illegal to do so, I might even go as far as to bet my vote on it being that way.

As for Frances, I don't care what the weather people say. After watching Gaston sit and swirl up to TS strength without moving very much at all, and then sweeping north, followed by Hermine, moving to the North.. well. You get the idea.
I'm thinking about buying water, and preparing for power outage, and I live in Virginia

Dammit! #1 beer

# 110 scar

Yeah.
:-(

Maybe they're just tryin' to outflank Rev. Al ...
:-)

#105

I've read news in italian saying that Allawi declared that there is no possible neutraility against terror, and now France is seeing it ( my very brief summary).

Some French minister got pissed off, and said that this can cast doubt of France's stance against terror. Rich, isn't it?

(If my post sounds incoherent, think that I certainly could not drive with my alcohol level...)

FWIW

Salon.com: Harlem's un-Sharpton

{great title}

Rudy Giuliani finds an ally in Imam Pasha, a black Muslim leader with a pro-Giuliani, pro-police message.

April 06, 2000 | NEW YORK -- Praise for Mayor Rudy Giuliani is in short supply these days. Following the death of Patrick Dorismond, the fourth unarmed black man killed by New York police officers in just over a year, the mayor's popularity is in free fall.

Giuliani's decision to release Dorismond's juvenile arrest record provoked outrage in minority communities, as did his incendiary comments days after the shooting, which included the portrayal of the slain man as a violent, hotheaded criminal. Even some police officers said his aggressive rhetoric makes their job more difficult.

Two polls released in the past week show Giuliani's Senate rival Hillary Clinton with a slight edge for the first time as a result of the Dorismond uproar. Even the much-exalted drop in New York's murder rate, which Giuliani has taken credit for, has begun to reverse. Homicides rose 13 percent between January and the end of March, making his leadership even more vulnerable to attack.

But the mayor hasn't alienated everyone. The police department's staunchest defender has an unwavering ally of his own -- a high-profile African-American, no less. Imam Izak-El M. Pasha, spiritual leader of 8,000 African-American Muslims in Harlem, offers an uncommon assessment of Giuliani: "I think the mayor is a great man."

With that statement, delivered the day after police arrested 27 protesters at Dorismond's funeral, and with his unflagging support for the mayor, Imam Pasha has further cemented an unlikely, but durable, political alliance. But by standing behind the mayor, the imam has also distanced himself from most other African-American leaders, who have criticized Giuliani's handling of the Dorismond incident.

"We have to struggle to move away from a more emotional basis to working with the mayor," he says, implicitly disparaging Giuliani's nemesis, the Rev. Al Sharpton. Pasha leaves no doubt about his distaste for Sharpton. "Though tragic things happened," he says, "a respectable leader won't blow up the whole building to get to one rat."

I'm withholding judgment and trusting Rudy for now. We'll see.

Anybody watching Brit Hume?
Major Garrett just did a segment on the Swifties.
He aired the recent comments by Vorphal, one of those on PCF-3 that was disabled by the mine, stating that there was no enemy fire during the incident that Kerry was awarded the Bronze Star.
That should add fuel to the fire.

Buckaroo:

What's the particular strain of BDS this person suffers from? WMD "lie"? F9/11 belief? We may have targeted treatments available!

More of the - what has Bush done for me? I'm not any safer than I was pre-9/11? Why is Iraq such a mess (I ask him how could he expect utopia after 1.5 years)?

Thus guy is a big believer in Al Franken's Lying Liars... so I'm wasting my time with him.

AFP, Paris, 20h02: les déclarations du premier ministre irakien ne "sont pas acceptables" pour Paris
"Ces déclarations semblent en effet jeter un doute sur la détermination de la France dans la lutte contre le terrorisme [...] La France mène sans relâche une action résolue contre ce fléau et elle a toujours apporté son soutien et sa contribution à toutes les initiatives de la communauté internationale dans ce domaine", a affirmé ce soir la porte-parole adjointe du Quai d'Orsay, Cécile Pozzo di Borgo. M. Allaoui avait déclaré lundi matin à la presse internationale que l'enlèvement des journalistes français montre qu'il "n'y a pas de neutralité possible" en Irak et que ceux qui ne "combattent pas" aux côtés du gouvernement n'échappent pas au terrorisme.

#107 Buckaroo:

My memory is fuzzy, and things may have changed, but in the fifties and sixties, the NOI had little to do with tradional Islam. The NOI theology was based on the writings of W.E.B. DuBoise, IIRC. It was very bizarre L. Ron Hubbard kind of thinking. One of its central tenets was that all men were originally black, but a mad scientist (Dr. Yakub, I believe) had captured some and did a bunch of Mengele-esque bleaching, etc, and thus formed the white man. There may also have been a spaceship involved, if I recall - I'm not kidding. There was more of course, but it's been years since I've read The Autobiography of Malcom X.

Malcolm X, BTW, towards the end of his life, made hajj and converted to the more traditional Islam, and changed his name to El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, hence his widow's name, Betty Shabazz.

Educated guess: The information on nyc.indymedia listed where the delegates were housed in NY. I doubt the feds are interested because it violated some peoples right to privacy. They are interested because it was done with the intent to intimidate and have others intimidate the delegates in order to prevent them from executing their duties as delegates. I don't practice federal election law but I have no doubt there are codes on the books making this criminal behavior. It is interfering with our political process and our right to vote.

And I am sure the feds don't care that indymedia says they are not responsible for the content on their boards. They run them. They were made aware of the info. The did not take it down for several days. It has been transferred to other indymedia websites. If the feds sent out supeonas on 8/19, they were well aware of what was going on before PW was hacked into and people started complaining to their local FBI office.

# 116 SCJ

So my out-flankign comment was almost accurate -- w/o me knowing it!

{"I'd rather be lucky than good" -- Lefty Gomez}

studsup #93

The idiots at indymedia can use whole boxes of kleenex to wipe the harddrives on their servers clean. It won't help.
They can even take hammers to them, it won't help.
Plus, the servers they are using, are in the most cases not theirs. They have been hijacking bandwidth off of the servers at several universities. Even that won't help, the information is now 'carved in stone'.

I didn't realize the Secret Service did "investigations" -- isn't this more an fbi kind of thing? I don't want to hear the ACLU whining about the investigation being illegal because it was conducted by the wrong arm of the law.

In any case, nazimedia's in trouble, so ulululluulululululululullululululululululuuu!!

# 120 Cam

Dude, that is more than I ever wanted to know about NoI!

I'm so glad our N. neighbor keeps folks up on such things
:-)

totally OT -- who's gonna win tomorrow in W.C. hockey? Who's gonna win the whole thing? & is this the last top-tier competitive hockey we see for the year??!!

France, "pas dans la lutte contre le terrorisme"? Dites-moi que ca ne'st pas vrai!

OT-

Anybody else watching Sabato hosing the MSM coverage of the protests on Brit Hume

Awesome

Wahoo Wah Larry.

# 118 S L

Well, you could point out to him there's a **reason** no one tunes into Air America -- and then try to get him to read some VDH or Steyn or H. Hewitt ...

#114 Fabio -- "I've read news in italian saying that Allawi declared that there is no possible neutraility against terror, and now France is seeing it ( my very brief summary)."

I don't think France is seeing it at all. I've read the French press stories and they are blaming the abuduction on the USA, that's right, our war is the reason why the French are suffering now. These articles pretty much take the approach that France is on the Muslim side and the Muslim Iraqis' are being unfair. One article went so far to say that the French attitude on the war (opposing the USA) gives them great leverage in Bagdhad. Another said that the muslims are using the say weapons as their oppressors (meaning the USA).

So, the French still don't see the threat for what it is. This is just over the clothing ban, wait until the well-armed muslims in France start agitating over every other perceived slight. It will get ugly and the French have been conditioned to be lazy socialist leeches, dependent on goverment largess for existance. They don't have anything to rally to or unite them against a very determined enemy within.

They and their vaunted culture will ultimately disappear and in the final gasp will still blame the USA for their submission to Islam.

#124

MISSION STATEMENT
The United States Secret Service is mandated by statute and executive order to carry out two significant missions: protection and criminal investigations. The Secret Service protects the President and Vice President, their families, heads of state, and other designated individuals; investigates threats against these protectees; protects the White House, Vice President’s Residence, Foreign Missions, and other buildings within Washington, D.C.; and plans and implements security designs for designated National Special Security Events. The Secret Service also investigates violations of laws relating to counterfeiting of obligations and securities of the United States; financial crimes that include, but are not limited to, access device fraud, financial institution fraud, identity theft, computer fraud; and computer-based attacks on our nation’s financial, banking, and telecommunications infrastructure.

[Link: www.ustreas.gov...]

Okay, OT, I'll admit it, but to me this means there is hope and that people are more conservative than they admit:

"Seattle P-I online poll:

Would you favor raising the state sales tax if the extra money went to fund education? (See related article.)

25.3%
Yes

62.7%
No

12.0%
Maybe

Total Votes: 2445"

Now, compare that to this poll:

"If you were asked to declare a political party affiliation today, what would it be?

46.9%
Democratic 21.2%
Republican

2.9%
Libertarian 2.6%
Green

1.8%
Other 20.7%
Independent

4.0%
Don't know

Total Votes: 3771 "

Comment as you see fit...

92/SCJ,

That's great news. This is an important step forward.

These assholes really need to be taken care of. They're trying to kill the police horses in NYC watching them. They're throwing golf balls at the horses' feet & laying spike strips on the ground for the horses to step on.

#127 American Infidel
You must have FOX on all day, like I do.
I'm on the 'puter in the other room but I keep the volume up loud enough that when I hear the words "Swift Boat", I get up and park myself in front of the tube till that segment is over.

OT: ACLU ACTS AGAINST PROTEST WARRIORS!

Meanwhile, back at the HQ yesterday, a goon squad of ACLU "blue hats" showed up and called the police because we had some signs outside against the building in case late comers arrived, along with maps. You should have seen these ACLU guys go nuts! They also just happened to have a full blown video camera and camera man along with them. So, these five cop cars come screaming up and about 15-20 cops come out. I went down to see what was up. I explained to the cops that I was manning the HQ while the PW"S were out at the march and that these were our signs. The ACLU guys were talking to another set of cops telling them that the PW"S needed to be charged because of the "inflamatory signs". I told the cops that if the signs were a problem I could bring them inside. The ACLU guys wouldn't allow it as they said that the signs were now legally "abandoned property" and that the city had to remove them from the street. I was told I wasn't allowed to touch the signs.

At this point I hear the head cop asking the head ACLU guy just how he and his crew and his cameraman happen to end up here on 38th street to make this huge complaint...Hmmm? I explained to my set of cops that the ACLU hate us because we are a conservative group and when they talk about civil liberties they are not talking about my civil liberties because I disagree with them. I added that the saying on their shirts "Protecting the Protestors" didn't apply to me because I was protesting from an opposing view. I then starting telling them about the food I had planned for the evening, 6' heros with salads, etc., and how I had organized the food, yadda, yadda, yadda, son in the Navy... The cops and I were all smiles as I went back in the building. But, about 40 minutes later all the cops were still down there waiting for the garbage truck, the ACLU guys were gone. I went back down and one of the cops called out "when are the heros arriving?" I said if you hang around much longer you can all eat with us! Well, we chatted and then I said again that I would be happy to take the signs inside and they could all do something other than stand around waiting for the garbage truck. The cop in charge said to me "If you can get the signs inside right now, do it." There were two male PW"S upstairs that had gotten cut off from the others so they came back to HQ. We quickly got the signs inside.

Fascists! Free speech is only for liberals. Free speech is only for leftists. Thanks Allah (pissBUH) for a sane NYPD.

#125 Buckaroo:

Well, I'm probably biased, but...

Canada favoured to win.

I was speaking with my buddy Aaron a couple of months ago, and he had just come back from an NHLPA meeting. He said that if there was a season at all it would be a short one. I'll be seeing him this weekend at my bro's wedding reception and I'll have to ask him about it. I'll let you know what comes up.

#127 American Infidel
I don't know if you've had a chance to read the interview of Adm. Schachte by Lisa Myers of NBC.
Here's the link to the page on the Swifties site with that interview.
[Link: swift1.he.net...]

OT but interesting: Red stocks, blue stocks

Since July 26, when the Democrats convened in Boston, stock sectors that should thrive in a second Bush administration -- according to conventional wisdom, anyway -- have outperformed the broader market. The defense, utility, tobacco and pharmaceutical industries have gained 4 to 5 percent, while the S&P has risen about 2 percent.

..."There are a lot of factors that go into decision-making" about which stock sectors investors choose, said Michael Panzner, head of sales trading at Rabo Securities USA. "But on a whole, [these sector gains] are consistent with the view that Wall Street expects the election outcome will be favorable to the Republicans."

Some analysts, in fact, believe that stocks as a whole have thrived in recent weeks because Bush has lately gained ground on Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, his rival in November.

AI

Yeah, I heard excerpts of Edwards' speech. I don't think that dog will even get out of bed, much less hunt.

OT -

Its funny, Hume is really P-Oed about the coverage on the MSM. Anybody see him roll his eyes when he was talking about McCain and Rudy.

Hi, folks. I've just picked up my press credentials, and I'm off to the RNC in about 15 minutes. Will see Giuliani and McCain tonight, Arnold tomorrow.

Protesters are about what you'd expect: one guy in front of the Penn. Hotel on 7th Ave. was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Christ with the crown of thorns, and the caption "LIBERAL." A few folks with handmade signs, most looking like patchouli lefties, about half are middle-aged 60s retreads. The young ones are imitators of their elders.

But there are very few of them. They had their Big Day Out yesterday.

The "anarchists" are planning a violent day on Thursday.

It'll be wild being in a room full of conservatives in NYC! My man. ed. is a mighty nice woman, but she's been brainwashed. I kidded her that I was going to bring her a garlic bag to wear around her neck to ward off the Evil Ones, and she did laugh. But she went to the DNC in Boston and gloried in it along with all the other Dems and journalists. But she did praise the NYPD for their calm professionalism.

BTW: I was in CA this week, and going thru the Minneapolis airport, ALL the bookstores were staffed by moslems, and ALL of them had a sh*tload of Bush-hating books. Unfit for Command was nowhere to be seen in ANY of them, nor ANY other book that might be called conservative, or even middle of the road. Bastards.

Reason number 59 why the Demcratic party is a joke (and Zell Miller knows it). Dem star Garrison Keiller wrote an article in something called "In These Times" and discribed Republican-Americans as:

“... paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element.

... a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics

The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong's moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt's evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we're deaf, dumb and dangerous."

Dave the “hairy-backed swamp developer”

Lady

DIA was the same way. 70% of the non-fiction wall was filled bush bashing tomes.

Oh, yeah, my managing editor said "there will be a few TOKEN BLACKS at the convention." And that Powell "is said to have refused" to speak at the convention, but she did not have a source for this startling assertion.

Any Protest Warriors out there, if you can eavesdrop on the journos in the restaurants or as they call folks on their cell phones, you can overhear their bias loud and clear.

I call misanthropic frat-dogger!!!

Hoo2004: Did you know that Brit Hume is a Hoo? He was in the Jefferson Society.

I'm a Hoo. Hoo you?

Brit is a good UVa boy ('77).

I have been impressed with his coverage. Its no wonder that they are on top of the game.

The left is saturated with people who truly, honestly believe that only some sort of revolution, even a violent one can stop what they perceive as the "fascists state."

They have spent years convincing themselves of this and now with the "evil Republicans in power," they have their trigger. I fear that if Bush wins, they'll be entering a new violent phase in their actions.

They will do anything and align themselves with anyone (islamofascists, white supremacists, commies) who opposes the State.

The fact that they think the mainstream media is "right-wing" and/or "Zionists" is a testament to their lunacy and deranged sense of what is left and right. Where they put the center in the left/right spectrum is beyond me.

#135 Mojo Jojo

Where's PETA? The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? They're probably out there in the lead, maiming the horses, wearing their Birkies, crying about the sanctity of ferret-life and how the Bush Oil Empire is responsible for destroying the habitat of the rare blue tailed spider.

I really wish you hadn't posted that.

No, actually now I have a good reason to hate the protesters, while just 10 min. ago it sort of a nebulous, hard to put into words loathing.

No links to jpgs tho, okay?

Damn, my slow typing catches up with me again.

Yep, CLAS 04.

What were you in for?

That's fully in line with the real democratic party line. "Don't fund education unless all funding increases will go into union contract black holes. We want to keep the kids stupid so they'll grow up to be unthinking prols who will then vote straight ticket Democratic"

Wow. That troll's post disappeared in an awful hurry. I had my bloody mary all ready and was looking to play. Oh well.

CLAS, '93. I majored in driving the UTS buses.

#144 Lady

I spend alot of time flying between several main European airports and in the bookstores are ONLY the ramblings of Michael Moore (all of his books), both Clintons and all the standard DNC hacks shilling for Kerry. For some reason the Clinton books are stacked 6' high and seem not to be selling, but they have been on display for months.

You will not find ONE conservative book on the shelf. Ann Coulter is unheard of over here, but so is Ayn Rand.

Sweet. You guys always did a good job. Yeah you'd aim for me, but unlike most public transportation at least you'd always turn away at the last minute ;)

Jheka,
just looked at the Blog. I'd have to agree w/ Ryan - doesn't Suck ;)

The leftists have been drive to tears ! ! ! (VRWC has succeeded, but the mission is not yet accomplished, padded cells for leftists)

I'm expecting a fax from Halliburton any minute now on what to do next. KKKarl Rove called earlier with detailed instructions also.

I'll send a secret coded message to LGFers with the orders.

# 161 A I

"The leftists have been drive to tears"

That's not really to difficult to accomplish ...
:-)

Tho the last 2 weeks have been awfully good times, I'll breathe a sigh of relief (& a shout of victory!) in the early morning of the 3rd (eastern time) presuming the recent polling numbers do all fall into place ...

#137 Victory Now Please
#135 Mojo Jojo

arrrggghhh!

Buckaroo -

I'm hopeful, but I won't start relaxing until I see polling numbers in October, after bounces have a chance to sort themselves out.

OT

Monday, Aug. 30, 2004 6:02 p.m. EDT
Zogby: Undecideds Moving to Bush

NewsMax

This thing seems all over the place, except I do like the main headline.

#164 Dave the...

Standing by...

Synchronizing...

(#122) Buckaroo

So my out-flankign comment was almost accurate -- w/o me knowing it!

Pretty prescient.

I hope it pans out that way.

I forget, what setting should the tin-foil beanie be in to properly recieve my orders? IIRC its 'Devil Horns', but I could be wrong.

I call Aggressive dork!

#163 Hoo2004:

Thanks!! I know that I always went for that "doesn't suck" brass ring back at UVa.

As for UTS, you know, honestly, that was the most fun I ever got paid for (even if it was $5.23 an hour for some pretty demanding work). I twice took my bus completely airborn (once by accident, once on purpose).

How do you think the football team will do? I'm thinking 10-2 or so. I figure that we upset either FSU or Miami and blow one against GT or Clemson or NCSU.

# 170 j

I knew a guy on a Yahoo message board who would toss out a totally random set of letters & numbers that was **supposed** to be marching orders for a subset of the board regulars -- dunno if any of the trolls there ever figured it out!
:-)

#160 Buckeye Abroad

I also noticed all the Karen 'islam is good for you' Armstrong books in prominent position at airports books stores. Grrr ...

College Football News has us 9-3 with a 4-way share of the ACC. I think 10-2 myself, but if you can predict this season I want you picking my stocks.

No matter what happens It'll be good and we'll play everybody close. We have on of the best returning o-lines/D-lines, and the best returning linebacker corps. If you believe that games are won and lost in the trenches then we are in good shape. I'll be down for the UNC game, and can't wait. Call me crazy but I might get a little drunk.

Biggest worry is not to far in the future... debates.

Both kerry and edwards are debaters of worthiness..attorneys, senators. Both have debated tough opponents, before...and lets face it if neither were good at talking, neither would be where they are, today...because words are all they have...no action, just words...well, kerry had 4 months and 12 days of still to be completely explained, 'action'.

What did Bush mean this morning when he told Matt Lauer that we can't win the war on terror? Seems to be a dumb thing to say on the opening day of the convention which is going to showcase his leadership on the WOT.

Edwards jumped all over him. I'm afraid the pres has some splainin' to do and real quick before the LLL make that their slogan from now to Nov. 2.

AI

I knew I was forgetting something. Here's hoping that one didn't go into the wash!!

Hey Sports Fans, Buck & Cam

Watchin' the Prez right now on a local station, Detroit, Bo Schembechler's sitting right behind him. Who needs the Fat One...

# 174 A I

"so I will be able to sleep late the following morning"

Smirks a bit at the time zone advantage to being in the middle of the Pacific Ocean ...

Drinking??? At a UVa football game?? Why, in my day ...

Heh. If we play Temple close, we're in real trouble. Games may be won in the trenches but I worry that we have no deep threats (our best WR is playing QB) and a suspect secondary. The running game should be very good if Hagans can find a way to stretch the field a bit and no one will be able to run on us. In any case, Groh is building a great program. This year's recruiting class may wind up being the best in the nation.

Why do we bother with all the convoluted misdirection? We're up against people without the wits to solve a simple cipher, much less the multilingual eldritch monstrosities we use. BTW, this week is it Russian transliterated into Kanji or Japanese transliterated into Cyrilic? It all got so much more complicated when we switched from unicode back to regional 8 bit text standards.

P.S. Did you happen to read "The Official Handbook of the VRWC" by Mark W. Smith???

#171 AI. You know we are never to mention that in public. We can't have the "handbook" fall into the wrong hands.

The instructions were to be broadcast on VRWC member Fox News, but that's too obvious. The message has been moved to someplace where we can be sure that the general public will not see it. MSNBC.

# 185 GW

How's Bo doin' nowadays? Still has the radio show with Brandstatter? It was so sad when he had to bury Millie -- that guy is a tough warrior ...

The debates are not too worrisome. Cheney will spank Edwards, for no other reason than his double helping of sheer cussedness. I can guarantee you that Kerry will have a NE snobbery moment and completely underestimate G.W. If G.W. can get him back on his heels he will come off as the pompous prick he is.

Speaking of football, does anyone know if Tom Brady will be at the convention?

#182

What did Bush mean this morning when he told Matt Lauer that we can't win the war on terror?

Way too many nut cases in a world Islamic pop of 1 billion to "defeat" the enemy. The best you can do is violently discourage them.

EddieP,

Was it a live or editted interview?

And...

... How are we going to totally WIN? Can you see where he is coming from? We have been putting people in jail for years for committing crimes - but has crime stopped? NO. Should we stop prosecuting criminals? THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 CANDIDATES! Bush will continue the fight, Kerry will turn and run and pretend terrorism is not a threat.

#185 GW:

LOL!

# 195 A I

OK, so I was out of bounds ...

#182,

I think he probably meant "we" as in our generation. It's going to take decades to win the WOT, etc.

At least that's what he should say he meant.

#177 Buckaroo

I knew a guy on a Yahoo message board who would toss out a totally random set of letters & numbers that was **supposed** to be marching orders for a subset of the board regulars --

///Begin message///

The chair is against the wall.

John has a long mustache.

///End message///

-- Sorry, just finished Ambrose's "D-Day" and the cryptic messages from the movie "The Longest Day" seemed appropriate.

#187

If we play Temple close (which will happen, this is UVa we're talking about) then Hagens gets moved back to WR and Olsen takes over. As for deep threats, I think that there a couple of WR that might surprise you, especially if Ottowa Anderson took the off-season to learn how to catch.

We have 2/3 great RB's, which will help open up opportunities downfield. Hagens, Olsen and McCabe all have guns, so if the WR gets open, they can get it there.

Bo's looking good, but Bush is (now was) sounding awesome. He was laying out the family values stance, "The people are responsible for/to our children, our communities, our employees, etc"

Is it Thursday yet?

Bush's quote will be used against him (hey, I saw it as a headline on the website of a MSM newspaper at noon), but he's telling the truth.

By telling the truth, he will come out ahead in the long run. I kind of hope this quote comes up in the debates. It will remind people what the one unifying them is with Bush supporters.

#154 jemima

No links to jpgs tho, okay?

No. I saw it on the news & the video isn't on the stations website.

VRWC members, now beginning transmission:

Part 1:

Dave's not here, man.

Alright, even Fox is spinning this 'we can't win' issue the wrong way. Who wants to bet that McCain & Rudy's speeches are being re-written as we speak?

184 American Infidel

Certainly hope that's the way it goes, those last few weeks/days prior to an election...critical.

#185 GW

Bo Schembechler's sitting right behind him. Who needs the Fat One...

Bo is from Ohio, but don't tell any Michigan fans that.

Woody, Bo Took Rivalry to New Heights

Even on LGF there has been mixed reaction to the traditional values thing, but in my opinion, that is the second strongest issue for Republicans (WOT 1st of course).

Anyone can promise free stuff from the government (watch both sides pander to the Senior Americans, and other groups). And they can argue back and forth about who's better for the economy.

But the party of the ALCU and bashing the Boy Scouts isn't going to look good if those subjects come up (unless of course you already back those ideas).

# 209 B A

"Bo is from Ohio"

Yeah, then he wised up!
:-)

{OK, Michiganians, your fight now!}

#206 joel2:

LOL.

"No man, it's me, Dave. Open the door man, I think the cops saw me coming in here."

"Dave's not here, man"

;-)

Since the ACLU is sooo behind these 'peoples' rights, howabout we print all their names, address, home phones numbers, cell phones numbers etc, and then see what happens.

Idiots

For people who **don't** want to see anymore Lurch/Te-rasie-a fakeness ...

#201 Hoo2004:

I thought Ottowa Anderson was suspended for the season for academics. That leaves ... who? I don't know much about McCabe or Olsen other than what I've read ... I just know that the thought or Martinez getting the ball against a 1-A defense scares the bejesus out of me. Seriously, that USC game may have been the worst QB performance I've ever seen. I wonder if Martinez can play WR.

Best Bo-Woody story I ever heard is the one where as one of Woody's assistants, Bo and Woody were in Mich. recruiting/scouting. They are on there way back to Columbus but ran out of gas on the wrong side of the border because Hayes refused to buy gas in 'the godforsaken Michigan'

"Asked "Can we win?" Bush said, "I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

Grrr -- If he just would have had the wherewithal to say "in the conventional sense" after "it" it would have been fine.

Heck -- it **still** is far superior to J Forbes K's "be nice, talk with them, and partner with France" bit anyway!!!

An OT GRRR This was quite the evening rush home from NYC. A bomb scare in Hoboken that shut down PATH, NJ Transit and delayed upwards of 15,000 people for about an hour.

More details to follow after I go get dinner.

Hehe..Checking a Buckeye site, they tell the story with a diiferent ending, a Kerryism?

Woody refused, and the assistant drove on. The assistant, who saw the weather was starting to get bad, began to become worried about getting stuck in the middle of nowhere, and once again stressed his desire to pull over and get gas. Woody erupted: "No, goddammit! We do NOT pull in and fill up. And I'll tell you exactly why we don't. It's because I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan! We'll coast and PUSH this goddam car to the Ohio line before I give this state a nickel of my money!" The assistant knew he wasn't kidding, and they barely made it across the border and sputtered into the first gas station they found in Ohio.

#194 Joel

No, it's not edited, it is on the MSNBC website. It is a little out of context as Bush goes on to describe the reality of the situation. But the quote taken out of context is what will be played by th LLL.

MSNBC

VRWC:

Part 2:

Ajax

Jhenka,

I hadn't heard about Ottowa, but if he is it's no great loss. Boy couldn't catch a cold.

Martinez is toast. He'll keep his scholly, be It'll be a cold day before he plays again.

AI

I think any of us here could find a way to get that point across w/o giving the Dems a freeby sound bite, one that they will bring up again and again.

Ok...final B (bullshit) C S Top 5

1. FSU
2. USC
3. OSU
4. Texas
5. Miami

There will be a split National Championship, again. FSU and USC. You heard it here, first...:-)

Don't like any of them...but until the 'Gators get a coach, they will not be top in the top 5.

Speaking of the French or the RoP or whomever...

How can anyone ever expect a culture to make peace with us that threatens to MURDER HOSTAGES, not protest, not boycott, not strike, but murder over the "right" to make young girls wear headscarves in school?
French Hostage Seeks End to Head Scarf Ban

The headline leaves out that the hostage "seeks to end" the ban because

... because our lives are threatened

Go away, ACC - shew! Pssst!

(this is a hit and run post - I'm outta here)

In the convention

Pledge, nice stuff.

What the Dems don't understand is that when we do this stuff, nobody (except moonwhores) thinks it is a sham.

Crowd is singing along. You can see the sincerity and love on the face of the delegates.

You best run boy!!! MA- GIT MAH SABRE!!!

The Imam quoted Reagan!!!

#224 Elcid

Real gooder...shit!

they will not be top in the top 5.

I know, I know PIMF.

Re the Repub convention, from Roto-Reuters:

Missouri delegate Marcie Thedinger sits inside Madison Square Garden with a copy of a book during the opening session of the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City, August 30, 2004.

The book, the title of which is plainly visible? "Unfit for Command".

I'll try a link, but Yahoo can be so...uncooperative.

link

# 229 H

A. Coulter's colun during the DNC was that virtually every delegate was a public school techer or administrator. Here, you probably have professionals, tradespeople, sm. business owners, salesmen, etc. -- but don't expect that to show up on the networks ...
:-(

the imam's invocation: opens with a quote from reagan about all americans want the same thing. He's talking about all humanity is "one" and the camera is showing minority delegates. sigh.

Wound my heart with a monotonous languor.

That color guard is pretty with it for a bunch of flatfoots.

American Infidel
On Bush's statement about not winning the war, could this be a possible poker ploy?
It's sure to be brought up in one of the debates, and if given to Kerry first, as a softball, that would be the perfect time for Bush to elaborate and show another huge difference in how each of them view the WoT.

#237 Ed Moran:

Again with those violins of autumn already?

WTF - Showtunes???

Make the bad men stop!!!

#241 lol

Fox picked the right time to switch to O'Reilly...

Is that Jeremy Piven on stage?

#211 Buckaroo

Yeah, then he wised up!

Bo learned from the master and made a name for himself and Michigan. Down south we chuckle for MI as a proud parent would watching their child use the toliet for the first time saying, "I'm a big boy now."

#217 GW

They are on there way back to Columbus but ran out of gas on the wrong side of the border because Hayes refused to buy gas in 'the godforsaken Michigan'

I believe it. I know alot of people who went to OSU in the 70's who told me you couldn't walk across the Oval with a Michigan shirt or hat on because you would be beaten.

OT: MI/OSU game 1989 in an Army barracks in Germany via Armed Forces Network. The game was winding down with about 20 guys from both states watching the game and one FNG from Wisconsin. The clock wound down and it was becoming obvious MI was going to win the game. Smack was being made by the MI soldiers with insults being hurrled...pushing, shoving, fists... furnished broken, bottles smashed.

A meeting with the CO the following morning for all those involved, but when he heard the reason why the incident occurred he dismissed all displinary action as he was from Wisconsin and "understood."

Hooah !!

SNL take off. BRILLIANT

The party is here!

Well, winnin' the war on any of the "isms" is hard, maybe impossible. Racism--you maybe can't make anybody stop believing the way that they do, but you can sure 'nuff make it mighty uncomfortable for somebody that acts out on it. Terrorism...as long as there are pissed off people ready to kill somebody, we gonna have terrorism. But if they can't get really deep pockets (state funding) to support them and if people say they a bunch o' crazy bastards that deserve the death penalty when they caught (and they are turned in), then I'd say the war was over and only then is it time for law enforcement.

#34 scaramouche to

#31 Freaky Boy : "Or what, Mr. Tally Man gonna take him home? "

Either that or Mr. Talliban.

Either that or Mr. Talliban.

LOL, guys! (but unfortunately not MAO)

Come, Mr. Taliban. Give us your Osama.
or Daylight come we gonna blow up your home...

It's nice to see the Republicans showing a sense of humor.

#224 Elcid:

How is FSU going to finish #1 after Virginia whoops them?

Hey Swampy!

Good to see ya.

:-)

Hey, Cam!

'Nother read and run, I'm afraid. Gotta go back to work (sigh).

Hey, Ed! Thanks for the update on Frances. I hadn't seen television for a couple of days, and durned if the weather forecaster this evening wasn't givin' me a 30% chance of losin' my house this weekend. (Well, maybe not LOSIN' it, exactly, cause they'd be some over here, and some over yonder, and maybe some out in the ocean...) Instead of 30% odds of losin' my house, why can't somebody give me a 30% chance at winnin' the lottery? I'd like that a lot better.

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: Acts of "Intimidation"?

Hmmm...

...my name and address could have been on that list. But I had other things I needed to attend to this iteration. However, if my name had been on that list and they decided to attempt such foolishness as to harrass or 'intimidate' me...

...in the words of the immortal Bush 43, "Bring em on." This state has a pro-active Make My Day law and I'm rather familiar with the use of side arms.

Besides, it would just allow me to get a concealed carry permit. For the distaff too.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

#235 Buckaroo

That would be called diversity.

Unlike a group of people with the exact same lives and point of view but they have the "right" mix of outside characteristics because someone purposefully managed things just for that mix.

Oh, and #146 Dave the...

I call "aggressive dork."

Ron Silver at the podium doing a great job of putting the case for the war to the crowd. "...this is a war we have to win..."

I always like Ron and he's really putting the thought out there... "..the President is doing exactly the right thing!...and that is why we need this President THIS TIME!..."

Why is it ok to post Repubs info when these "protesters" get all FREAKED if there is some dude on the corner filming them with a handicam or in the case of James Taranto of the OpinionJournal using his PDA?
OJ - 'Bush is a traitor'

Jason Sehorn and Angie Harmon are Republicans!!!

I heard Selma Hayek is a conservative (she can't vote here). Is that right?

Ok, elephant are my favorite animals, but I don't like that graphic. Plus it looks like it's in front of the rising sun flag.

shit! posted on the wrong thread. sorry.

Is this separate from the posting of the ProtestWarrior details? I assume they aren't all Republican convention delegates?

#224

As Allah is my witness with all his goodness and power, we will not share the National Championship this year. As it is written in the almight Koran. And we don't even have anyone on the team named Kareem.

Fight On!!!1

ONCE AGAIN...IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NOT TO FOCUS ON THE EXACT TRACK...ESPECIALLY AT 96 AND 120 HOURS...BECAUSE THE HURRICANE IS
NOT A POINT...ESPECIALLY A HURRICANE AS LARGE AS FRANCES...AND FORECASTS AT THESE EXTENDED TIME RANGES CAN EASILY HAVE ERRORS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES.

... sigh... They wouldn't have to say that if Americans weren't such scientific illiterates an innumerate losers...

cathy :-)

#249 Jayce:

Come, Mr. Taliban. Give us your Osama.
or Daylight come we gonna blow up your home...

LOL!

shit! posted on the wrong thread. sorry.

Hi, Ms. Andi! Nice to see you even if you didn't intend to be here :-)

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