hey mufti,

mufti this.

Imagine if some Southern evangelist said "every baby is born a Baptist." We'd never hear the end of it.

If I was born a Muslim, I think I'll end it now...

[shudder]

Sick bastards. The animals carrying this out need to die. My big question is: Why in the world haven't the Russians found a nasty, barbaric way to stop this? I seem to remember back in the 80's that the old Soviet Union had some rather unique ways of dealing with this kind of scum.

Children are Allah Most High’s pure and innocent creatures. As Prophet Mohammed said, ‘every baby is born a Muslim’, or, in other words, a creature obedient to God, and therefore any Muslim who harms a child harms his younger brother,” the mufti told Interfax

Isn't this nice, all babies are born Muslims except for Jewish babies, they are born infidels and should be killed.

"...all children are muslims"?

Good Grief! Is anybody writing this stuff down?

Muslim logic (an oxymoron, I know) is so bizzare. At what point to they become infidels? When they're old enough to have a go with the 72 houris?

As I posted in an earlier thread, Reuters wins the euphimism prize with "gunmen", "attackers", "rebels" and "militants" all in the space of one brief story. I guess the "T" word is verboten, in the interest of fairness and because the news service creams over "revolutionaries" of any stripe (especially the America and Jew-hating variety).

This article has some decent info:

Russia School Seized by Terrorists, 300 Hostages Held

A group calling itself the Islambouli Brigades claimed responsibility for the aircraft explosions and yesterday's bombing in a statement posted on an Islamic Web site.

"Targeting Russia is the start of a violent and bloody war against those who have dedicated themselves to kill Islam and its people,'' the group said. "This war will dissuade the criminals in Russia's house from killing Muslims.''

[Link: quote.bloomberg.com...]

Fox is running a reprint of AP's drivel on this one.

Yaaay! Go holy warriors of the religion of peace! Kick those kid's asses, you brave, brave restitance fighters!!

Fucking idiots.

what would the world be like without the wise helpful words of the muftis ?

and therefore any Muslim who harms a child harms his younger brother,” the mufti told Interfax.

Yeah, sell that line to the Paleostinian hate factories called "schools."

And I didn't think they could sink any lower. These scum deserve to burn in hell.

so that explains the little kids with bombs strapped to their backs

A couple more datapoints:

The BBC refers to the terrorists as "an armed gang", "Chechen separatists" and "Chechen rebels". Strangely there is no mention of the ROP

The Economist, (which is usually sensible) reports "...Russia's latest wave of terror attacks has little, if anything, to do with al-Qaeda" and notes that "A local Islamic leader who went to the school to try to intermediate with the hostage-takers was rebuffed..."

Mainstream media is covering for Islam.

Bottom line: A news story is meant to inform the reader. When journalists and editors shy away from identifying the attackers' Islamic ideology, they are failing to tell the entire story in an accurate manner. It's not just bias- it's really poor journalism.

al-Royters reports: "The Chechen freedom fighters, filled with humanitarian zeal, set aside their militant goals and denounced terrorist attacks, and publicly deplored their own killing of 187 Russian children, saying they would be leaving the -and we quote- 'filthy, blood-stained school' and moving quickly to the nearest hospital, where they could 'rape women, shoot pregnant mothers and devote mercy-killing of the aged and crippled.'"

Reuters salutes these fine, decent, selfless humans.

Hey, let's remember what John Francois Kerry said in his acceptance speech: we're going to get evidence about these kinds of things in the future.

Right now there's not a scintilla of evidence that those who took over the school aren't right-wing heterosexual, frat-boy, buddhist neocons bent on wiping out the breeding grounds of baby-seals.

It's un-American to presume guilt.

/ is the sarcasm tag really required?

Evil, thy name is Islam

Squalidness, thy name is Islam

Bloodshed, thy name is Islam

Barbarity, thy name is Islam

Hubris, thy name is Islam

I is for Inhmane
S is for Scumbag Shaheed
L is Loser societies of the World
A is for Arab Chavinism
M is for Murder of all deemed insufficiently islamic

Evolution is a fact of nature and of Civilization. Evolution points ever towards the future. Islam looks forever backward. Islam represents the worst of the past and is as doomed as the dinosaurs.

All muslims should repent and come to JESUS before its too late.

The media refuse to accept that jihadi triumphalism is the same in Chechnya, Sudan, "Palestine", Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and every other place when Islamists are engaged in destroying modern civilization.

#20 Scaramouche,

Will you do the Fondango?

That was right on! Well put.

This morning I actually heard a reporter on Fox use the "T" word (without qualification) for these monsters. Though, I don't remember if she mentioned their "religion".

Sorry, I felt compelled to use the scare quotes there.

As Prophet Mohammed said, ‘every baby is born a Muslim’

Let me get this straight.

This means that, say, as soon as a baby is babtised, he's then apostate, and should be immediately killed.

I mean, that's supposed to happen to all apostates of Islam, right?

Does this fucktard even realize the implications of what he's saying?

/you don't have to answer that

I made the light go on in a co-worker's head today when I told him, because he never caught this on the old media, that when they say "Chechen rebels" they mean Muslims, and when they say "janjaweed" they also mean Muslims.
That was a big aha moment for him.

Every baby is born a Muslim? I thought my mother had me baptized a Catholic.

Maybe the press just doesn't want to distract from the Republican National Convention.

18Z GFDL offers hope of only a Cat 1 hurricane hitting Charleston, but latest satellite shows a westward jog.

The longer that continues, the scarier it gets in Florida.

After all that has happened, especially in the past week, you'd think that the MSM would have finally run out of euphemisms, code words, weasel words and sneer quotes and started telling the truth...you'd think.

Meanwhile, on the streets of New York, the LLLs are looking for the "real terrorists".

I wonder how long this pretence can go on. Muslims are everywhere attacking us in whatever way they can. We, or atleast th MSM, refuse to see it. But the longer the refusal to see reality, the greater will be the price to pay, when the time comes to pay up. The trouble is that it isnt the editors of MSM who will pay the price, but it will be us.

Daniel Pipes said that Denial is a river in Egypt though Denial seems to have flooded the planes over here.
There will be a price to pay for this denial, this hding from the truth, this pretence, this obsession PC even if it kills us.

"Children are Allah Most High's pure and innocent creatures. As Prophet Mohammed said, 'every baby is born a Muslim', or, in other words, a creature obedient to God, and therefore any Muslim who harms a child harms his younger brother,"

Which is it? Are children born Muslim or obedient to God? It can't be both. Last I checked obedience is learned behavior. But why let facts disrupt a craptacular statement that makes no sense?

Quick tango from what he really believes into the taqiyyah Western translation, all in one sentence. It's nice to see it, even if very few people will grasp the implications. #20 scaramouche and #23 Lewis (and more) obviously do get it.

Put you guys in charge!

I actually heard NPR run a spot by a BBC reporter who went so far as to sneer: "The rebels -- the Russian government calls them 'terrorists'..." Also, the New York Times calls the kidnappers "insurgents," which seems to be catching on from Iraq coverage as the favorite way to avoid using the T word. As for Al-Reuters, a friend of mine who works there sent me their infamous internal style guide memo banning the use of the T word shortly after 9/11, if anyone's interested.

“militants”, “hostage takers”, “a “group” of “attackers”, “hostage-takers”, “armed militants.” And Al-Reuters.com calls them an “armed gang,” and says “It remained unclear who the attackers were.”

Let's not jump to conclusions! It's could be those English Methodists again; they will stop at nothing!

And, let's take a look at the root causes of English Methodist militancy. The occupation by the Anglican Church is to blame! All the humiliation and the oppression and the Anglican Imperialism and stuff.

And don't forget about Bushitler's responsibility when those schoolchildren die. The real terrorists and murderers are in the Whitehouse, remember? Just like they said during the demonstration in New York.

It's truly scary the self-delusion they hold and teach their children. What the hell kind of minset do you have to have to want to die and kill as many other men, women, and children as you can at the same time.

Ronald Wilson Reagan was a great American and we lost a good one this year.

New exception to the 4 H's of journalism - who, what, when, and where:

When the "what" is an act of terror, and the "who" perpetrating it are member(s) of the RoP, identification of the "who" is sanitized to remove the fact that they are members of said RoP.

OT
Here is an article that caught my eye

Expert Calls for Reshaping "French Secularism

[Link: www.islam-online.net...]

Why is that so many Jews believe that by being the ultimate pacifist dhimmi, they somehow will be spared the sword or dhimmification? Bloody amazing.

But a quote from her gives me hope that France is doing something that is very very right

The French expert stressed that the practices against the French Muslims would only push some of them to leave the country and return to their homelands.
The Jews, at that time, had no place to go, whereas the Arabs and Muslims in France are still having connections with their homelands, and if they were pushed to return to their homelands, they would do although most of them don't speak Arabic," she said.

Her view is that this would be a disaster.

Heaven help me. I'm off to bed. This has been a bad day, with the enemy making all the News and our MSM doing its best to hide it.

It's night in North Ossetia. Can you imagine how tired and scared those children must be?

OMG I've heard it all now, our local news promo'd the story thusly:

"Attackers wrapped in suicide belts..."

Wrapped WTF?

Considering the amount of buggery and honor killings inflicted on Muslim children, I say the mufti is just egging the terrorists on to be worse.

#33 Reagan

What the hell kind of minset do you have to have...

Three words explain Islamic terror pretty well: jihad, shaheed, assassin.

It's proven throughout human history that you can turn children into killing machines. Our troops faced them in Somalia. Not to mention everywhere the scourge of Islam exists in its 'pure' (read: medieval, or medevil) form. Once you corrupt them as children cold-blooded murder is easy for them. They are the modern Hitler Youth, and grow up to be Nazis.

This is just sickening...will the MSM just die already. Not even the guts to call them what they are...how weak. I wonder how long before they are forced to report actual news...since their viewership has self-destructed.

I remember a few months back, drudge had a report of one show on MSNBC getting a 0.1 on a 62,000 audience share during primetime.

#35 DP111 (from that article)
I'm not sure that woman really knows what she's talking about.

She warned that the principles of the French Revolution are threatened with extinction if France failed to live up to its multi-cultural society.

The French Revolution had nothing to do with creating a multi-cultural society. Even today, most French people don't want a multi-cultural society. A multi-racial society is fine with them...so long as everybody is a proper, cultured, French-speaking person (having some degree of anti-Americanism helps, too.)

The French expert stressed that the practices against the French Muslims would only push some of them to leave the country and return to their homelands.

Which is what the French really want, but will never admit, even to themselves.

minset = mindset

#36 Rust:

Yes I can, and hungry too. I pray to G-d that there are enough (non terrorist) adults in there with them to comfort them and help them sleep.

Fucking barbarians, it's horrible enough when they do this to adults but to hold a school full of childrten hostage? There is absolutely no fucking hope for these deprived savages.

Fucking barbarians.

I agree with the word-choice of the above-referenced journalist outlets; afterall, who's to say it's not montana militia men? Does Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?

oh yeah, I'd better add this

/sarcasm

OT

F' Ron Reagan, Jr.

Charles, I showed one media outlet who did call them what they are... terrorist.

OT; I have been a bad boy the last few days. My latest "fun". Near the end of the thread. Moonbats hate facts.

Sure you can turn children into murdering psychopaths, but that doesn't explain the supposed adults who teach them these things. Rumor has it these people are over 18 and chose this course of action. How on earth do you willfully strap a bomb to your stomach and say I'm going to kill a bunch of children as a political statement?

any Muslim who harms a child harms his younger brother...”

I guess the Palestinian terrorists never got the memo.

Journalistic political correctness has gone from absurd to imbecilic. Rebels do not take children hostage. Insurgents do not take children hostage. If/when they do, they "graduate" to terrorists.

Given the Russians notably poor success with hostage situations, I fear another Maalot.

One media outlet (possibly CNN, believe it or not) had a decent interview this morning with someone from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (I think--sorry, it's been a long day) who pointed out that some the "Black Widows" are employed and paid (presumably family gets the money of those who suicide), and that since the original Chechen separatist movement, numerous independent factions have developed. Essentially chaos.

While the Chechen separatists originally had a local political agenda (arguably justifiable), they have since linked up with al-Qaeda (some received training in Afghan camps) and at this point deserve no sympathy, and Chechen terrorists no mercy.

The "all babies are born Muslim" thing isn't quite so ourageous as it seems on the face of it.

The word "Muslim" literally means one who is in submission (implicitly, to Allah or God).

So a baby is born in submission to God.

This is not the Christian view, of course, but not inherently offensive.

What is offensive is the behavior of those calling themselves "Muslim".

BTW, I am the same "Salman" as the FReeper with that handle..

I think Romney is positioning himself pretty well for a run in 2008 along with Rice (who I suspect doesn't really want to be POTUS) and Giuliani.

Imagine if two or three real giants run for the GOP nod in 4 years, versus the Demonrats 7 dwarves this year.

Maybe I just ought to be grateful that I don't understand the mindset. I just wonder how ugly this is going to get. Those kids are dead it's just a matter of how and when. Anyone who is able to walk away from this is a miracle. The Russians absolutely cannot give into these monsters lest they encourage more such atrocities. These fuckers really can't die in a painful enough manner.

41 mickthemick

France must be attempting a kind of aversion therapy. To make it work, some more laws that prohibit the public manifestation of a religion such as Islam, must be made soon. Call to prayer over loudspeakers, for a start.

As Islam is a public in your face ideology that seeks to dominate the public square, its removal from the public square will mean that Muslims are no longer able to practice their ritiuals as they are required to. For Muslims, a private faith is not a proper practice of Islam. If they cannot practice Islam publicly, they cannot practice it at all, and they might just go back.

Well lets hope so.

If "all children are born Muslims", then I guess Thomas Hobbes was correct: All people are born evil and need a strong hand to guide them towards good.

..."As Prophet Mohammed said, ‘every baby is born a Muslim’, ...

Yes, especially since mohammed used to like to marry them and then fuck them...

#37 Fay

Yesterday a would-be suicide killer was apprehended at an Israeli border crossing with explosives sewn into his underwear.

What next? Semtex suppositories? Exploding tampons? They've already tried loading dynamite into Adidas.

What can one possibly say about a culture whose creative efforts seem to be devoted to deadly couture?

The word "Muslim" literally means one who is in submission (implicitly, to Allah or God).

Thank you Salman, we didnt realise that muslim meant submission. And btw, God and Allah are two differing concepts. Try not to confuse the two.

If anyone is interested, I have a schematic of the complex on my site ... I'll translate some Russian articles a bit later.

As Prophet Mohammed said, ‘every baby is born a Muslim’

Well, lemme see... like most babies, between my birth and the age of about two and a half, I whined all the time, didn't have the brain power to have empathy with anybody else, seethed whenever I couldn't get what I wanted, was selfish, and contributed little to the world except crap.

My God! I WAS a radical Islamist!

First they try to rip off Abraham, calling him a Muslim, then Jesus, then Israel, then North America. Now they ratcheted it up a notch to rip off all the kids in the world by putting that awful Muslim label on them, and you thought only Christians believed in original sin.

Valgasov also urged the attackers "to come to their senses and comprehend their deeds and remember Judgement Day, when we will all answer for our deeds."

But I thought shaheeds were honored on judgement day, may Mr Mufti isn't such a good Muslim himself?

# 8 scaramouche:

I guess the "T" word is verboten, in the interest of fairness and because the news service creams over "revolutionaries" of any stripe (especially the America and Jew-hating variety).

Boy, is that ever the truth.

Reagan,
It's pretty easy.

1) Islamists have no respect for human life, and say so.
2) Jihad is holy war -- the greatest oxymoron ever created.
3) Shaheed means 'martyrdom' in the sense that the only sure ticket to heaven in Islam is dying while committing murder for Mohammed.
4) If you look up assassin in any good dictionary, it's derived from a long-lived tradition in the Muslim world, terrorizing the infidels (us) and the kuffar (unbelievers).
5) They start the kids very young. Charles has a whole series of pictures showing how the kids learn to hate Jews and other unbelievers. MEMRI has a scary, and I mean scary, video of a smiling Islamic woman teaching other women to teach their toddlers to hate Jews and unbelievers. Her own children are obviously well on their way.
6) Sharia (Muslim law) is medieval. There is slavery, a tax for unbelievers, no rights for women and children, stoning, death for apostates, wife beating instructions, honor killing, polygamy, etc. It's the worst legal system I've ever seen.
7) Mohammed (the pedophile) beheaded, lied, and stole. He's the role model for devout Mohammedens.
8) It really is a death cult. Look at the way the Paleos pass around body parts after the holy Apaches launch holy hellfires into Hamas leaders.

Basically, it's a sick religion unless someone throws out huge chunks of the holy texts, and spins what's left a great deal. There are nice statements in the Koran, really. But the overall impression I'm left with is that the worst parts of 'the' Bible don't come close to the ugliness enshrined in Islam, not by a longshot.

The Economist, (which is usually sensible) reports "...Russia's latest wave of terror attacks has little, if anything, to do with al-Qaeda" and notes that "A local Islamic leader who went to the school to try to intermediate with the hostage-takers was rebuffed..."

from #15 midas mulligan

I'm upset with the economist lately for other reasons. This just adds to my resolve not to renew my subscription. They haven't been that balanced with the presidential race, and they didn't even mention Uganda and just slammed Bush's push for abstinance first, then condoms for AIDS in Africa (and yes, there are stats that found that Uganda's AIDS rate decreased AND that the number of people being unfaithful decreased...and these from an Oxford University study, not exactly a right wing study.)

So, I'm going to not renew my subscription and send the $ and time I would have spent reading it at LGF and townhall.com

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Cheers to Mufti Rulan Valgasov, for trying to save some lives.
He sought to do this by speaking in terms that the terrorists might relate to (he thought). How else could anyone hope to reach the terrorists' minds?

As to the media, in hiding the Islamist terrorist situation throughout the world inclucing the Chechnya jihaditerrorists, and making the public unaware of it, they are trying to mislead the public concerning the nature of the enemy, the thinking of the enemy, the religious rage of the enemy, the octopus-like branches of the enemy, and the actual threat posed by the enemy because of its nature. Whatever their reasons for doing so, by misleading the public the covering-up media are adding to the capability of the enemy.

Im without words..(not for long tho) for these ?? PEOPLE?? who go into a SCHOOL??? and use CHIDREN? ...BABIES??? for their Political Purposes. Just...tooo...discusting for words. I hope someone 100 years from now read our reacctions to this whole group of people and how THEY expressed their grievences. ^&(*()*+)_*_*&^&*&(+)+ (worse than what Cartman says)

You might find it interesting that the German press (left and right) calls them "terrorists"...

In a way the Mufti gets it correctly, the terrorists do what they do exactly because they believe the Islamic 'all your children are belong to us' mantra.

#68 True German Ally - This is because there is an internal contradiction over Chechen Islamic terrorism against Russia in the current German government - such as it shortly came to the fore during the Moscow siege two years ago when humanitarian calls for the European Union to intervene in the Caucasus conflicted with a broader EU policy of alliance-building to prevent the American liberation of Iraq. Now Gerhard Schröder tries to keep up his relations to Russia as an ally against the United States while Joschka Fischers Green Party and some others blame Vladimir Putin for stealing the Chechen election. They understand that the Islamic terrorists tried to cause a Spain with the recent airplane bombings and failed, but is trying again with the school siege just right now. The conduct of elections in Chechnya might indeed have been more like in an Islamic state than in a democracy, but for singling out a world leader just being targeted by terrorism, Claudia Roth deserves another Double Standard Award.

How jihad came to Chechnya
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The war in Chechnya has been transformed into jihad by Wahhabi money and Wahhabi jihad leadership.

The above article describes the infusion of Saudi-Wahhabi money to spur jihad in Chechnya, and to tie it to a neighboring republic, Dagestan, for an Islamic theocratic state combining these two republics of the Russian Federation.

There is also an AP article in my local paper mentioning Saudi-Wahhabi jihad leadership.

Some Arab fighters have joined the Chechen militants, including rebel commander Abu Walid, a zealously Muslim Saudi-born warrior, and Omar Ibn al-Khattab -- now dead-- another Saudi-born militant who joined top rebel warlord Shamil Basayev in 1999 raids in Dagestan that helped prompt the current Chechen war.

... An Islamic group has claimed responsibility for the plane bombings and the suicide blast in Moscow that killed at least nine people Tuesday night.

It appears that the Saudi-Wahhabis are incubating zealously Muslim Saudi-born warriors, to spark and lead jihad in various places of the world, including the 9/11 terrorists, and including Chechnya, and the Saudi-Wahhabis had also been active in funding jihad through their charities (don't know to what extent they are still doing this).

Chechen jihadis in Iraq also (as well as jihadis from elsewhere)
[Link: www.debka.org...]

To regard these battles of the Islamic jihad movement as distinct national issues overlooks the transnational nature of Islamic jihad, and the appeal that any battle in any area has to draw jihadis from all over the world.

Borders are porous. Al-Jazira is a unifying factor in the Arab and Muslim world, and spreads the urge to engage in jihad. The Saudi-Wahhabis are active in incubating jihad leadership and providing funding (as is Iran).

It doesn't make sense to assume that a battle can be completely contained geographically, and that floating jihadis from around the world won't be drawn to a battle.

Yeah, noticed this too.
But in the Washpost this morning, one of those simpering columns talking about RNC events manages "conservative film critic Michael Medved..."

Somehow that's ok...

News accounts this morning say that the Russians have ruled out force. Does Putin have any other realistic choice? I don't think so, not now. It looks like it's seige/negotiate for the moment and the world will be watching the muslim terrorists as much as the Russians. If kids start dying while the Russians hold fire, this, more than the attacks on the USA could be the event that sweeps away the Religion of Peace bullshit. Right now, the wire services are only talking about the grandmother that was killed, nothing about the 11 year old girls that was shot in the back by a "brave" Jihadi warrior. That sort of relentless coverup of muslim atrocities won't be able to work any more. But we are not there yet, and the Russians can be very crafty. They could work behind the scenes to get the terrorists to stand down, sort of the way it happened on the Achile Lauro (except, of course, for Leon Klinghoffer, the wheelchair bound man that was murdered and thrown overboard by Arafat's depraved henchmen).

This is scary, and it's scary because this could happen here in the USA tomorrow and the pressure on Bush to appease promptly would be enormus and the Dems would use if cynically for pure political gold. The muslims know that and I believe will be tempted.

The Muslims are pushing the world to the brink and if there really are moderate muslims, they had better step in and take charge now because the vast numbers of "true believers" are going to bring on a backlash that will have horrible consequences, and mostly, I believe for muslims.

The time will come when hardened attitudes will grimly recognize that those children caught in assault/hostage situations are realistically simply DOA and when it gets to that point, nothing will save the muslims from the retribution that will naturally follow. That is were we are headed because that is where the muslim world wants to take us.

We read these headlines exactly the way they are because we live in a world which places political correctness above that of truth. The media would much rather protect vicious islamofascist madmen than ever to tell the truth. Even when they slaughter poor innocent children.

#29 DP111

Yup. Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Where would we be without it?

Last week a caller on the radio pleaded with the host to stop mentioning "WMD's." It was "upsetting" her.

/ reality bites