It was just beautiful, I haven't felt this good in a long time.

That moment needs to be immortalized.

Yes please do. I need to view it as well.

Fantastic speach

Video: Major Convention Speeches

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Yes pleasepleaseprettyplease.

I didn't see it and I'd love to.

Chris took the beating in the classic crimson face, slack jawed fashion.

Talk about a bitch slappin'! ! !

Pleeez!

Sorry, that last post I sent was NOT Zell Miller crushing Chris Matthews’s head tonite.It was the campaign speach of him crushing Ted Kennedy's and John Kerry's heads:P

What happened? Can anyone summarize the exchange for those of us who missed it?

I hope Michelle Malkin saw that, and I hope someone can get a copy of it.

that was so friggin' great. there were a few moments where matthews looked close to crumbling

That was great. But I want one thing mentioned above all else.

Chris Matthews badgered Malkin with the question "are you honestly saying he shot himself on purpose?". A question he asked, not Malkin.

A question ignorant of the facts raised not only in the O'Neill book, a book Matthews obviously did not read, but also by the Brinkley Kerry biography. John Kerry's own campaign admitted the first injury might have been self-inflicted.

So Matthews told Miller he was trying to correct the record. Correct the record Chris. You badgered Malkin 10 times with a question Kerry's own campaign refuted. And you never read either book in question, not to mention Malkin's.

Zell Miller put Matthews credibility on a spike.

THAT was freaking priceless... especially after reading Malkin's account of his idiotic and unprofessional behavior.

Hopefully Zell will help jar a few million bullshit detectors back into active service.

What a night.

= )

FREE SPEECH IS NOT JUST FOR CHRIS MATTHEWS!!!

Thankfully Zell Miller let him know this.

I've missed everything! I read Zell Miller's speech and it was fantastic!!!, but what happened with Chris Matthews?

OH my God, CSPAN is interviewing Alex Jones. whoooaaa.

ooo, it gets me to a quick boil that he actually said (Matthews that is) that he (Matthews) was DEFENDING Conservatives!!! My father heard him say that post interview, and we just looked at each other and said "WHAT?!?!?!" (I then added "He must be living in The Kerwards 2 Americas too")

I predict Chris Matthews goes out after the show and drinks himself into a stupor.

Maybe Uncle Teddy (D-Chappaquidick) will invite him to slam 3 or 4 fifths of Bushmills in Palm Springs this weekend during the hurricane to destroy every vestige of this unfortunate short term memory.

"Cheney, Miller Unleash Rage Against Kerry"

Nice unbiased headline from AP

Commander in Chief?

#20 Ed

Hey Ed,

Speaking of the hurricane...do I have to stock supplies AGAIN? (Tampa).

I missed Hardball. Not that I watch it anymore. Zell was on after the convention? Busy night for Mr. Miller

Challenged him to a duel!!!

OMFG

That was what I'd like to see more. Actual truth spoken to the people who believe they have power.

Matthews knows he's a rat on the Titanic.

Lovin' my fellow strong defense Southerners.

AP: so what if they do? Remember the American Soldier gives you the freedom to say that.

They're raving about Zell vs. Chrissy over at Free Republic. [Link: www.freerepublic.com...] Zell did good!!

I'm sorry to post OT but I just found this from the DU:

"I don’t think terrorism is all that big a deal. I’m really not frightened of terrorists. I don’t think there are that many in the world. I don’t think they are particularly well-equipped or led. Their destruction is spectacular, like a tornado, but they are not all that common. More people die from lack of health insurance than terrorism. More people die from botched abortions than terrorism. More people die of poverty than terrorism. I don’t think terrorism should be our #1 concern. I just wanted to say that. At the same time, I think it must be horrific to be the victim of terrorism, but it’s just as horrific to die from a drunk driver, or from a gun accident, or AIDS. I pray for all people who suffer. I think that focusing on terrorism as the biggest evil stops us working on more solvable problems which affect more people.”

It was posted on Blogs of War

I feel sorry for them, because I was a lefty untill 11/3 (I live in portugal but am spanish...) and I know how blind these people are. I only thank God I woke up... I feel very bad for all I said before.

I really loved Miller tonight! It payed up staying up very late!

Perdon por la mierda que nuestro "Zapatero" ha hecho a vuestra causa! Gracias por todo!

#20, Ed Moran Abu Weatherman

LOL!

I just caught the tail end of the exchange. Man, I wish it'd been Tivoed or I'd help you out, Charles.

Matthews invited Zell Miller to the MSNBC wrapup on Friday night, and he said it'd be great for the ratings 'cause everyone would think Zell was gonna beat him up. Somebody already tried that, Matthews said.

BTW, I haven't given up all hope that Beagle, Swamp Woman and the Florida minions are spared, and instead South Carolina gets hit by a weakened system, but Hurricane Frances is looking pretty much like it will slam area somewhere between Palm Beach and KSC as a Cat 4, equal to or stronger than Charley.

BTW, on average, September 10 is the middle of the hurricane season, as far as storms go.

Correction: Thursday night.

Wesley Clark is fucking pathetic.

Just.. pathetic.

Bienvenido Sofia. Yo tambien.

Poor Matthews. He has been having a rough week. Leftist extremist jump him on Tuesday and a conservative Democrat gets him on Wed. So sad.

Now, can DU be anymore funny -

Where is the link to Zell's anti-Bush speech at the Democratic Convention (?) in 1992. I hope the Democrats make an ad of it and play it over and over. I presume the rights to it belong to the Democratic Party.

Wrong Bush ya deeek.

ps - that was a rhetorical question, otherwise, we would be here all night :-)

Good night, y'all. It's been a great convention so far.
Pray that W can wrap it up tommorrow night.

Zell was fantastic. If they had been in the same room, Miller might have slugged the arrogant a$$hole. Chrissy definitely came out on the short end of that bout.

for the love of god I think I'm going to throw my remote control through the tv at Wes Clarke on fox... "Iraq was not a threat, they were going to go there before he was elected, I said it we all said it, they hyped the connection to 9/11, they hyped the weapons, they should have attacked iran"

AHHH!!! I can't take this ridiculous return attack. Face it guys, the Republicans have killed you, and the ONLY reason you're still not dead in the water is because Michael Moore and the MSM have done a really good job of brainwashing people!...

These first 3 days have been outstanding, and MUCH stronger and more powerful than the entire DNC. They've touted their importance, and their strengths, and they've smacked the $hit out of their opponents weaknesses!

Worst case, strong cat 1 in Tampa, with only sporadic power outages (Remember Hurricane Erin from about 7 years ago? Maybe a touch stronger than that by the time it reaches western Florida (although official forecast keeps it (barely) out of the Gulf.

Orlando could potentially see worse than Charley did there last time, somewhere between Palm Beach and Jacksonville could see a little worse than what Charley did on landfall in SW Florida.

Move to Texas! Lower taxes, lower humidity, half as many major hurricanes!

Night'all

Dang it! I missed it.

Didn't some lefty say something about NYC being on fire tonight?.

This propably wasn't the kind of fire they expected.

For anyone else who's TV challenged but has broadband, I've found the convention video at the gop website much better than C-span. Here's the link.

I know, too late for tonight...save it for tomorrow. I can never tell when I'll be able to have time to post or not, I have a 2 year old.

Y gracias a tu, Sofia.

Welcome aboard.

It's going to be a long, interesting, but unfortunately very bloody journey.

We'll be OK in the end, tho.

We'll be interested in hearing your take on what's going on in your neck of the woods.

y buenos noches, sofia.

Bienvenidos.

Oh.

UN sez Iran doesn't have a nuke program.

I didn't get home in time to see Zell's speech, but I saw him give the beating of a lifetime to Christ Matthews! I think I woke the neighbours hootin' and hollerin'!

I've been sending nasty notes to Chris Matthews all week
[Link: www.msnbc.com...]

I know I'm not the only one...

Oh sweet jeebus, that was a thing of beauty.

Had this happened in prison, Chrissy would now be in a hairnet and Chinese silk robe. And Zell would be selling him to other inmates for a carton of Kools per night.

Reply to #43

And if you are inland in Texas ... no hurricanes at all. :-)

Zell did a great job. Wish I had seen that clip with Mathews.

I guess this puts to rest the rumors of Cheney being replaced on the ticket by McCain or someone else.

Before taking the hickory switch to Matthews, Miller was on CNN. The "balanced" panel of Woodruff, Blitzer and Greenfield were attacking and ridiculing Zell during the entire interview. Of course, our man Zell would have none of it.

Literally shaking with anger, Woodruff concluded the interview with, "Why don't you just leave the Democrat party!" That three-way ambush put Miller in a mood to rumble with Chrissy.

I CAN'T SLEEP.

Let's see if I can summarize. I caught most of it.

Mathews was trying to get Miller to admit he (Miller) had sometimes voted against bills even though he was for them, because they had other appropriations tacked on. Miller said that if he did, he never defended those votes and never PUT THEM IN HIS PLATFORM like Kerry had (apparently Kerry put the anti-military votes in some sort of memo about his record, like he was proud of them). Miller said Kerry did it too many times, it was no coincidence, it was a pattern.

Miller read a couple of weapons Kerry voted against. Mathews kept overtalking him and said that those particular weapons hadn't been of any use in the war anyway. That's what got Miller hopping mad. I'll tell you, I would not want to tangle with him!! He held up sheets of paper and said something like this, "I knew you'd do that! I'm ready for you! I have a list three pages long with all the weapons he voted against!"

He kept going, although Mathews kept trying to interrupt. "I saw you what you did to that young women the other day! You wouldn't let her speak! You think you can do to me what you did to her?" At that point Mathews tried to say, "You know what she was saying? She was saying Kerry shot himself PURPOSELY..." (i.e. he STILL doesn't get it).

Zell interrupted him, "I saw what you did. I'm not her! You get in my face, I'll get in your face. I'll look you right in the eye! I wish you were here and not there, I'd show you."

Mathews actually started to look abashed at that point. Sheepish. Like he didn't know what had hit him. He tried to schmooze a bit, say how he liked Miller and was just trying to ask him a question, something like that, but Miller wasn't having any of it. Miller said, "That's just garbage!" (actually, he said that quite a few times at different points). Again, he said he wished Mathews were looking him face to face, he'd challenge him to a duel. "I don't know why I said I'd come on your show." Then I think he said the interview was finished.

Mathews was subdued, said could he ask him another question? Miller said, "Are you going to SHUT UP and let me answer it?" Mathews said yes, the interview went on a few more questions.

Not exactly a transcript, but that's the best I can do. I feel like Howard Cosell.

Joe Trippi is on MSNBC right now suggesting the Rs "gave" Miller something to do this...

Well, if there is a Hurricane begining with a Z this year I nominated that it be named Hurricane Zell

Zell's temper is legendary and, while this was a really good boost for W, we don't need to have a "WOOOLLLFFOOOWWWITZ" moment. Zell's done his duty...now he needs to be reigned in before he jumps the shark.

#22

What a lame salute. That rates a dressing down by a DI.

#38
The democratic party in Georgia have been doing exactly that for a week or so here. Apparently hoping that we're too dumb to know which George Bush Zell was attacking then.

Chris Matthews' problem is that he doesn't bother to really LISTEN to his guests. With Michelle Malkin, he misunderstood what she was trying to suggest, and then pounded her repeatedly about his misunderstanding and she just didn't ever get a chance to clarify what she was saying. With Zell, I think that one of the problems was that Zell just couldn't hear Chris all that well. If Chris has listened a bit better I think he would have realized that. Instead he just kept pounding him until Zell just kicked his ass.

#26 American Infidel

Thanks. I have to see it. Listening to Zell now.
Such a nice southern gentleman!!!

Matthews was trying to catch Miller on Miller's criticism of Kerry's many votes against all those weapons systems. Matthews said, don't liberals use a similar technique against conservatives, that is, citing votes against large appropriations which might contain money for say, school lunches and the homeless, and claiming therefore that the conservative is against the poor and children.

Miller was having a hard time hearing the questions (it was a remote, and both of them were in noisy places) and misunderstood. He though Matthews was accusing Miller of being against the poor and children.

Miller took offense and wished we still lived in a time when he could challenge Matthews to a duel.

Miller's other criticism, that Matthews asks questions and doesn't give a person time to answer was on target however.

Nearer the end, Matthews asked a question and Miller asked "Are you going to shut-up" so he could answer. Matthews agreed to shut-up after he asked the question.

The long overdue thrashing of the rudest host on air.

A thing of beauty.

I didn't see the exchange on CNN but according to the mandarins at DU, Zell Miller was a blubbering wreck while three way gang raped by journalistic stalwarts. Yeah right.

#54 AI

Thanks for the link, I'll have to watch it when I get back home from vacation. I'm currently in backwater AZ and using smoke signals (dialup).

#53 iowahawk

LOL!

Aviator (#63),

What a lame salute. That rates a dressing down by a DI.

And it was at a speech he gave to a Veterans group no less.

Will Harball be rebroadcast tonight?

iowahawk, LOL!

Who's speaking tomorrow besides Dubya?

Nope. Already checked the tv guide.

Sorry, that was for #75

Wow, this is great news! Glad to see Chris Matthews getting a taste of his own medicine. Want to play "hardball", buddy? Pick on someone your own size.

Gen. Tommy Franks will be an added speaker tomorrow night. He just got added yesterday.

The bully, Matthews, finally got his "come uppance"...

Zell Miller articulated what the clear thinking American people believe. (Note to Non-Americans - Miller is a DEMOCRAT!)

Michelle Malkin...you have been vindicated. I only hope you were watching.

I thought Andrea Mitchell was going to cry.

Infidel,

Thanks. I saw Franks being interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he said he hadn't made up his mind yet as to whom he was supporting, but he was "leaning" toward Bush. I guess he's made up his mind.

How good of a speaker is he?

#86,

The Power Line Blog people have him on video saying he is supporting Bush.

86 Abu Maven
If you had seen him yesterday with Hannity, you'd know that you wouldn't want to miss it. He had as much emotion in his voice as Zell, but not quite as eloquent.

MSNBC highlights Ron Reagan, Jr. as a "political analyst"?

The only credentials he required for this position were his far left liberal views.

#85: Andrea Mitchell is definitely not having a good week. She seemed like she was in pain discussing Zell Miller's speech.

Ronald Reagan, the Jr. is an afterthought NOW!

#43 Ed

Move to Texas!

If KSC is wiped out, my wife's work might be concentrated in Texas for some time.

Thanks for the updates, but could you knock down the wind speeds a bit? I'm about ready to crap in my pants. Our best case scenario so far involves sustained winds over 100 MPH and 20 inches of rain.

The last hurricane to hit Orlando before Charley (three weeks ago) was in 1960. If you look at maps showing impact points for storms, we've never been hit from the East. So much for statistics.

blogaddict

That was quite well done.
William sometimes manages to locate this stuff.

What a great speech. What a courageous man.
Wow.

Yeah,

Frankly I was surprised he was even considering not voting for Bush. I mean, isn't he a Republican?

By the way, I just went over to the DU for shits and giggles and they are all saying that Zell was like the Dean scream and that the Republicans are imploding.

Funny how both groups can look at this so radically different. I hope we are right, but frankly, I was a little concerned about Zell on Matthews. I think that sort of thing may not well play. I really wish he would not have done any interviews after his speech.

There's GOT to be a video of this.

I was sooo high after this incredible night, watching on FOX. But their post- coverage was incredibly lame, as it always is with Ms. "Court T.V." Sustern. I wanted MORE. I wanted real incisive debate...and I got Greta. Lame, lame, lame. Besides, if I see Susan "Hul-lo, doll" Estrich one more time with her grating voice and smug puss I'm going to give up FOX for good. (Hardball is no longer an option. Who'd have thought it would be the show of the decade.)

So I turned on a movie. And they wonder why we lose interest in the political process.

Hardball, I hereby dub thee--HAIRBALL.

"Ron Junior, just asked if Zell Miller received cash payments???

On MSNBC Scarborough..."

As opposed to the fellatio he gets? What a piece of human debris...

A little off topic, but did anyone else see Don King on Fox this afternoon in the MSG? I am not a fan of his but you know how he can get on a rant about a boxer? Well he is now 100% pro Bush, anti dimmi, and totally logical and believable. I was shocked.

VIDEO

Zell Miller's entire speech posted here:

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/09/zells-ba rnstormer.html



recycler

#37 Dar ul Harbarian
Poor Matthews. He has been having a rough week. Leftist extremist jump him on Tuesday and a conservative Democrat gets him on Wed. So sad.

What leftist jumped on him last night?
How long was the Miller exchange tonight?

I only watched Fox News.

Mike

Scarborough talking to some people on the street just now, some protestors and a few supporters...

HAHAHA... oh my god, msnbc isn't even good at hiding it anymore!

Ron Reagan and Scarborough are talking to the crowd, so they ask if there's any undecideds, and one guy says he was until last week... So Ron sticks a mic into the crowd and says "what made up your mind?". The guy starts to say that he decided to vote for bush because, when suddenly Ron Reagan yanks the mic away and says "I must have missed that, we have to go to commercial, we'll be back."

absolutely ridiculous tonight guys... Get over yourselves, let people who disagree speak!

AP headline - "Cheney, Miller unleash rage against Kerry"

Send your comments to AP at;
info@ap.org

It's long past time that these assholes got taken down a peg.

OT and sorry for the interruption:

I need to find out what percent of the people in the Middle East believe in the conspiracy theories about 9/11 (the Jews did it). I'm googling and I can't find numbers. Does anyone perhaps have a link?

Thank you and again, sorry for the interruption.

#102 john blake  

Don King is on our side? Now we've got the ticket with 'better hair' !

That was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I loved when Zell got all nostalgic for the days of the field of honor. Now, let me just say this, and go on and flame me...I'm not a fan of Zell Miller. I think he's a hair away from going all Ross Perot/Ralph Nader on us, if you know what I mean. But I can't stand Matthews, and I loved seeing him squirm. It was like seeing the schoolyard bully get smacked around by the ex-mil custodian. Priceless. Now, if only we could lock Zell in a room with Al Franken...

#97 Abu Maven

The substance of the speech was unassailable. The Democrats are left to attack the style. Well, guess what? That's what Zell's speech was all about, substance over style, winning a war over politics.

The major targets for the terrorists are major cities, in order to maximize the body count. Who lives in the major cities? They are disproportionately populated by leftists. New York, SF, and LA are the bastions of liberalism, and likely terror targets when the Islamists get their hands on NBCR weapons, if they don't have them already. I'm sure they have some chemical, biological, and radioactive material, if not a nuclear bomb. When the dirty bombs start going off, don't come crying to me LLL.

There are no wake up calls the leftists can't snooze apparently.

Andrea Mitchell thought Zell might scare women. What a patronizing view. If that's the case, maybe we shouldn't have a woman president. Oh dear! War and defense issues are too scary for the fragile female types, according to Democrat Andrea Mitchell.

Miz Mitchell obviously isn't well acquainted with us LGF women.

BOUNCE !!!

Beagle,

I am with you. I live in NYC, surrounded by idiotic LLL. I want nothing more than a thorough Bush ass-whooping on Nov. 2.

But I'm a tad worried about Zell. The speech overall was good, maybe a little too much. The Matthews thing was definitely too much. He's not doing us any favors acting like a nutcase.

justdanny, big big bounce. The last three nights have GOT to be worth five points, minimum.

(wish i knew how to bump up font size for that BOUNCE a few times)

I'd love to see Ron Reagan Junior suggest to Zell Miller that he was bought off. It'd be a replay of the iowahawk prison scene, without the Kools.

#109 I don't know about the Middle East, zorkmidden, but a friend of mine told me on the phone tonight that he believes that "whoever is behind Cheney" masterminded 9/11. I was kind of shocked, though this friend works at an organization that gives taxpayer money to 'artists' who smear jelly on themselves, so he's had daily injections of this insanity for several years now. At this rate, and given my profession, I will have no friends left in the near future. Any social liberal/libertarian, conservative fiscal hawks in New York care to have coffee sometime?

*Sigh*

I don't know what else I can add ... thanks for the descriptions of the debate. I wish I saw it. I've loathed Chris Mathews for a long time now. He deserved whatever Zell doled out to him. It's about time somebody told him to shut up. Hmmm ... we were talking about Mathews earlier this evening.

evariste, I get a little light of breath when I think about this coming election. When I was a child I wished not to get the things I wanted, to try to trick the poverty. It did'nt work. Now as an adult I have no such naive trick to occupy my wantful mind.

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As for the comparisons between Zell Miller's speech and Dean's scream - those of us in the South will recognize Zell's speech for what is was - an impassioned preacher's sermon. That kind of thing is alive and well down here. Dean's scream was just the result of a subtherapeutic lithium level.

#120 - goldsmith

I'd gladly meet up with you, but I'm a little crazy actually moving out of NY (sadly, not early enough to have my vote count in a swing state)... Also, I'm 22, so I prefer beer to coffee in social situations.

back on topic, I think it's nice to keep in mind that msnbc bills their coverage as "Unconventional"... certainly true, no SANE person would actually think these guys are reasonable people, especially not when they have conservative guests on.

Slap me around if you wish if I'm wrong but,

I see the world teetering on this election.

Oh, Justdanny, you are exactly right.

No question.

Any social liberal/libertarian, conservative fiscal hawks in New York care to have coffee sometime?

I just sent you an email. Most of us LGFers in NYC fit your profile. We get together occasionally.

Here is part of it.

Matthews: Do you believe truthfully that John Kerry wants to defeat the world with spitballs?

Zell: That was a metaphor. You know what a metaphor is?

Matthews: Well, what do you mean by that metaphor?

Zell: He wanted to cancel these weapons programs. Cancel, means to do away with. I think we ought to cancel this interview.

Matthews: Well, that would be my loss Senator. Well, let me ask you about this because I think you have a view on reporters of the world. You said, “It was often the soldier, not the reporter, who has given the freedom of the press.” What was your point?

Zell: Well, it certainly got a rise out of you.

Matthews: Well, it’s a shot.

Zell: You’re a reporter. You didn’t have anything to do with the freedom of the press.

Matthews: Why did you single out reporters… Because you could get an applause line at a conservative convention.

J.C. Watts: Now come on, Chris.

Zell: You’re hopeless. I wish I was over there. In fact I wish we lived in the…

Matthews: If a Republican Senator broke ranks and spoke for the democrats would you respect him?

Zell: Yes, I’ve seen that happen from time to time.

Matthews: Jim Jeffords switched parties after getting elected…

Zell: Wait a minute, wait a minute… If you’re going to ask a question..

Matthews: It’s a tough question. It takes a few words.

Zell: Get out of my face! If you’re going to ask me a question, then step back, and let me answer! I wish we lived in a day where you can challenge a person to a duel. Now that would be pretty good. (Norah Odonell loud laughter)

Don’t pull that stuff on me like you did that young lady when you had her brow beaten to death. I’m not her! I’m not her! You get in my face I’m going to get back in your face. [Jim's note: I presume this is a reference to Michelle Malkin?]

Matthews: Senator can I speak softly to you?

Zell: No, no. You won’t give me a chance to answer. You ask these questions and then you just talk over while I’m trying to answer just like you did that woman the other day. Why don’t why I even came on this program.

Matthews: Well, I’m glad you did. Well let me ask you this…

Zell: No, Are you going to shut up after you ask me! Are going to give me a chance to answer it.

Matthews: Yes, sir. I’m going to give you a chance to answer.

I have the Zell Miller / Chris Matthews video and will be posting it to my blog shortly (have to convert it to WMV)

I'll be posting the link here when it's up!

recycler

ZELL MILLER ON IMUS TOMORROW MORNING...

didn't say when though... anywhere between 6 and 9... I'd be interested in hearing if they bring up Matthews... If you heard this morning, Imus officially changed his vote from Kerry, to undecided. Of course, he had G.H.W.B. on, so he may have been pandering a little... but who knows.

(Carter had a Son??)

LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

re #135, recycler:

Recycler, I knew we could count on you! Your blog is among the best!

Zorkmidden and goldsmith:

I thought I heard something very strange on the radio this afternoon. I don't recall what show I was listening to, or what poll they were referring to, but I thought they said there was a poll in NYC, and 50% of the people polled thought Bush knew about 9/11 ahead of time and did nothing to stop it.

I immediately thought of the polls of the Arab world where 80% or whatever it was thought the Israelis did it. But, New Yorkers and Bush? Although I shouldn't be so surprised. A good friend of mine said it about two years ago, and I thought she'd lost her mind. But I now I realize she's far from alone.

Here's a link to the video on MSNBC. It's about half way down the page on the left.

Zell on Hardball

I know the patriot missile system did not work over Israel. Or anywhere else for that matter.

And I may make a major mistake by asking, Why can't Israel be the 51st state of the US ?

#108 Zorkmidden

I need to find out what percent of the people in the Middle East believe in the conspiracy theories about 9/11 (the Jews did it). I'm googling and I can't find numbers. Does anyone perhaps have a link?

I think that would be around 95% of them, though I'm only 95% sure about that.

I was a Democrat prior to 9/11 and Zell Miller's speech resonated deep within my soul. Over the past 3 years I have realized what a mindless sheep I was and how the Demcratic leadership had failed this country. Their talk of a 'Village', 'nuance' and loathing of American values betrayed what I knew in my heart: America is the greatest country in the world because of our ideals of freedom and liberty. I have gotten over much of my anger for my past stupidity. And I believe that is why the "Kerry Supporters" (protesters) in NYC are so angry now. Reality is hitting them - HARD. Their ideas are failing. Their leaders are failing. Their ideology is failing. Their anger is really going to increase when Kerry, the poster-child for the generation of Democrats who championed the "America is Evil" hijack of their party, gets his ass kicked in November.

"Leave and vote Republican!"

zorkmidden (#108)
I can't help you out with polls of Middle Easterners in re: 9/11 but fully half of New Yorkers polled last week believed that some of our leaders knew about the attacks in advance and consciously failed to act. Of course, it's a Zogby poll, but fairly frigging disturbing that there are that many dumbasses out there.

BTW, I found the poll at Allah who has been providing the funniest liveblogging of the convention.

#125 peach

an impassioned preacher's sermon

You nailed it. The tone, cadence and structure. I imagined I heard a couple of "Amen Brother"s from the floor.

blogaddict, Titus

Thank you, I also know it's a vast percentage but I need numbers. I'm arguing with an anti-semite who insists the numbers that believe "the Jews did it" are the same in the West as they are in the ME and I would like some hard facts to rub to his face.

Melissa, thanks! That must be the poll I was referring to--

Beware of the man who has nothing to lose and everything to gain. :-)

I'm still shaking. Saw the replay of the speech as well. No matter what the Quislings say or how they spin it, this man's honest passion lances like lightning from his eyes.

Love how he filleted Chris Matthews. Southern gentlemen Hate to see any man push a young lady around.

Just one more reason to love them.

MSNBC: "After Hours", in commercial break, Zell and Matthews clip is next...

Good too see so many former Democrats who have come over to the Right side...now we just need to make good social conservatives out of you and you will be completely enlightened...but your on the right way...

Devon in Alberta

Zell/Chris Mathews about to be reviewed /repeated on MSNBC after hours

Scarborough is going to replay Miller's bitchslap of Chrissy on his show shortly. Should be a hoot.

Repeat of Zell- Mathews duel on MSNBC now.

Scarborough replaying part of the Matthews interview right now, I'm taping it!! But I don't know if he's going to re-play the whole thing?

They're so busy slapping each other on the back here. Idiots. Where's the good part?

#120 goldsmith

You're not alone. ;-)

I'm marooned on Houston and Mott Street, and work in the entertainment biz. But it's not the performance art crowd, thank God.

We should have a NYC LGF meetup.

it's coming!

Yeehaw, James Lileks on Zell.

I’m watching Zell Miller speak, and Holy Crow he is perturbed. The angriest man at the convention turns out to be a Democrat: who'd have thunk. He's brutal. He’s hammering Kerry like a blacksmith; if Kerry was a horseshoe he’d be thinner than aluminum foil. Zell doesn’t gesture, either, which makes him look like someone in handcuffs making a final defiant speech before sentencing. He’s one of a kind, ol’ Zell. Let us not forget that he wanted to provide Beethoven to all Georgia newborns. But an Ode to Joy that speech was not. As an former Democrat myself, I understand exactly the roots of his exasperation. Look, over in Roosia y’all got a hunnert Islamic terrorists holdin’ schoolkids hostage with bomb belts, and they’d do it here in a heartbeat, and they might probably will. So can we talk about spendin’ federal money on carvin’ up embryos later?

rw
Thanks for the link.
Chris Matthews has become a total jerk, rather than just a partial jerk.

I would gladly buy tickets to that duel.

Beautiful
Mathews is such a fool!

Man I just watched that Chrissy Matthews Zell Miller interview...awesome...wow...did this guy bitch slap the left wing and the media tonight or what!!!

Hilarious...I am keeping both his speech and this interview forever...great night to be an American!!!

Sigh...alas...still a Canuck...

Devon

It speaks volumes about Hardball when you look at the crowd that surrounds it.

Matthew hates Israel. I once saw Carter pollster Pat Quaddel on hard ball blamed Carter lose in 1980 due to Jewish vote. This is simply wrong. In 2000 Matthew was in love with Mcain and he was all in favor of Kosovo intervention but when it comes to Arab states loud mouth Matthews want to understand them.

Drudge has this, and this doesn't include C-Span:

FOXNEWS BEATS BROADCAST NETWORKS FOR TUESDAY NIGHT COVERAGE OF CONVENTION -- HISTORIC UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS FOR CABLE

10-11PM

FOXNEWS -- 5.2 MILLION
NBC -- 5.1 MILLION
CBS -- 4.4 MILLION
ABC -- 4.3 MILLION
MSNBC -- 1.6 MILLION
CNN -- 1.5 MILLION

---

Over 22 million viewers - that's respectable.

Charles,

I caught the Matthews repeat on video. If you don't get another copy I'll be glad to make the transfer to .mpg for you.

Oh, Charles, please post it!

Larry Gatlin is bitchslapping the rude asshole protestors for interrupting him.

WTF?

I've never seen conservatives so riled!!!

When little Chrissy makes a point about a Republican joining the Dems, Chrissy kissed McCain ass for 2 years except Chrissy does not want McCain opinion on Israel and Mdidle East

Here's the Zell link.I hope I do this right.

[Link: mediabistro.com...]

We should have a NYC LGF meetup.

Email me, I'll add you to the list. We should aim for another brunch or dinner after the con is over, after Labor Day.

lazytart, what are you watching?

Wow! I like Lilek's

You are the editor

Fantastic way of describing the effect of the internet and blogging!

#171 Babe

Thank you sooo much!! I'm watching it right now and I am truly moved. Reading it doesn't do Zell justice. I was in my tax class while it was broadcast, but thanks to this wonderful Al Gore invention (fucker), I am seeing it now.

Note to self: Pick up some Gaitlin Bros. CDs and Enemies, a Love Story.

Chris Matthews knows history and normally uses it to his advantage by intimidating people with that and his badgering. He's worse than he has ever been before. It's classic BDS.

#141 justdanny

Have you ever seen the videos of what the patriots did to the scuds over Israel?

Obviously not.

Zulu,

MSNBC (PUKE). It's over now, though.

I mean, Larry Gatlin (being interviewed by Ron Reagan, was just PISSED. He called out and scolded the crowd for their rudeness... Barnacle, Reagan, etc. kept saying, " You Republicans are feisty... you guys are fired up..." so on .

They CANNOT GET OVER that we are not going to take their BULLSHIT any longer.

LOVE IT!

Reuters sneer quotes watch:

With so many children held, the attack tests President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites)'s resolve not to negotiate with "terrorists."

I am so sick of the terrorist enabling media.

Just watched the clip - even the bystanders enjoyed it.

POSTED CHRIS MATTHEWS / ZELL MILLER VIDEO

Zell's appearance on Chris Matthews:

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/09/zells-ba rnstormer.html


recycler

lazytart, I'm sorry I missed that. Watching these prats on MSNBC, etc. makes me think that the Democratic party is in its death throes. Something else is going to have to replace it. Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave from that son of his.

Thanks rw #140 and Babe #171!

Did anyone see Andrew Sullivan's recent comments on the Miller speech?

It was like he was watching a completely different person. I know Andrew isn't very popular around here anymore but I still think he's worth a read, although I'm starting to question even that.

[Link: www.andrewsullivan.com...]

Zell Miller's address will, I think, go down as a critical moment in this campaign, and maybe in the history of the Republican party. I kept thinking of the contrast with the Democrats' keynote speaker, Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young American, speaking about national unity and uplift. Then you see Zell Miller, his face rigid with anger, his eyes blazing with years of frustration as his Dixiecrat vision became slowly eclipsed among the Democrats. Remember who this man is: once a proud supporter of racial segregation, a man who lambasted LBJ for selling his soul to the negroes. His speech tonight was in this vein, a classic Dixiecrat speech, jammed with bald lies, straw men, and hateful rhetoric. As an immigrant to this country and as someone who has been to many Southern states and enjoyed astonishing hospitality and warmth and sophistication, I long dismissed some of the Northern stereotypes about the South. But Miller did his best to revive them. The man's speech was not merely crude; it added whole universes to the word crude.

I've calmed down enough to go to sleep..

Night, ZB! Night, everybody!

#180 Lazytart

Something just occured to me... remember Arnold's line last night referring to John Wayne? Remember how the Duke has been a hero to Republicans and that John Kerry sneered about the "John Wayne mentality" in his 1971 seditious turn before the Senate?

John Wayne always portrayed the masculine ideal of duty, honor, steadfastness, heroism, courage regardless of fear, and very slow to anger.

But, if truly angered WATCH OUT

That's where Republicans are...we are very pro-America optimists...but we have had it UP TO HERE with the Leftist nihilism and sneering "America is no big deal" crap. Damn straight we are pissed.

My favorite John Wayne movie is The Quiet Man. Dems ought to view it and be reminded.

Night lazytart :-)

One of the problems with the GW1 Patriot intercept count was that the PAC-1 system was an anti-aircraft system pressed into service for terminal SRBM defense. Tactics were developed on the fly. Sometimes a salvo of 2 or 3 intercepters was fired at a single SCUD. Even a direct hit could technical be scored as low as 33% effective. ABM opponents claimed the SCUDs broke up spontaneously on re-entry. There was some evidence this occassionally happened but not anywhere near consistantly. A major problem with scoring proximity hits was the lack of instrumentation monitoring the intercept. Later studies showed that some of the 'misses' flogged by CNN were artifacts of the camera.

The upshot was that the PAC1 system did get "close enough" to many incoming SCUDS to make further development of a dedicated system attractive.

Kerry was against it.

Ooooh oooh

raises hand

Excuse me...I have a question...

How in hells bells do you get the vids to work ???

When I click on it, it shows two screens that look like they are both trying to stream the video ?

Ah ha :-)

It worked this time.

Babe & recycler

Thank you very much!

Phil

I guess Sully was writing about that other America.

It's sad, but he's a one-issue voter and was dishonest with his readers for way too long about it.

And when (fingers crossed) GW beats Kerry in Nov. maybe Sully will return to his senses.

Maybe not, but hey, I'd like to read him again. But right now I just won't suffer his dementia.

Darleen

Loved Quiet Man, Sons of Katie Elder, The Shootist

My favorite scene was the climactic shootout in True Grit.

Darleen,

I actually emailed him for the first time saying basically what you just said but in a nicer tone. I questioned why he's even bothering trying to justify voting for someone (Kerry) who he shares absolutely no values whatsoever with.

He should sit this one out if he's so inclined but voting for Kerry would be to sell out his own principles.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Thank you, Andrew Sullivan. For reducing an honest man to a cultural caricature.

They always do this to non-LLL Southerners. Smear and slime them as "Dixiecrats" and "racists." Peckerheads.

LBJ was as cornpone as they come. And he shoved the Civil Rights bill through a reluctant Congress.

Beware: some of us know history.

Thanks for the Matthews link. The mediabistro one worked better for me.

Look! Rachel Corrie posters being held by protestors!

OT: Has anyone noticed how much of Charles' bandwidth we've chewed up the last two days? 3,200 comments today, 2,500 yesterday. Golly, we are a gabby bunch.

Does anyone read Sullivan anymore? To think I used to admire him, but he's sunk into the sticky treacle swamp of pc up to his thick neck. Post racial? I'm sorry but much of the reason Obama makes them all starry-eyed is that he's black. It makes me cringe, especially since he's so intelligent and can certainly stand on his own merit. But they love "diversity" so much that they can't see anything through the rainbows in their eyes. I don't like Zell Miller's stand on many issues, but it's just plain bigotry on Sullivan's part. Shame on him for betraying so many gay men like me who used to look up to him as a voice in the wilderness. He'll be shilling like David Brock in a few month's time.

He's a phony, a third rate hack and the world's biggest poseur. Go back to the hammock, Sully. And stay there.

Sorry, I'm just royally pissed off.

Also thanks recycler #183!

Sullivan and Matthews are prime examples of Bush Derangement Syndrome striking apparently intelligent men.

There was a time when reading Sulivan was, for me, an antidote to the lunacy that has overcome the mainline churches.

Matthews and Sullivan are deluded asses, both ultimately, are devoted servants of their chosen ideologies.

Miller gave a great speech. It was wonderful to hear someone say the things I've been living for years. (I'm a former liberal Dem) The liberal spinning is outrageous and makes my blood boil.

Olympic Committee gives Theodorakis an award.

Sullivans paean to Obama was the ultimate-
What a pandering loon he's become.

Cheers & G'night all. I'll catch you all later in the day.

--Barack Obama, a post-racial, smiling, expansive young American, speaking about national unity and uplift.---

Socialist and gun-grabber.

#183 - Recycler

Thanks a million for putting up that link. Glad to see someone that Chris Mathews could not over talk.

Yehudit- is it stil possible to hook up with any NYC ebents with Protest Warrior or anty LGF NYC area folks?

I fel like I'm missing out on an historical event.

#199 Yehudit

I don't think it's much of a stretch to call St. Pancake the "Horst Wessel" of the 21st Century.

Thanks recycler...

Now off to sleepyland with a smile on my face :-)

'night all.

I caught the Miller/Mathews duel over at recyclers. There was a lot more smiling going on than one would gather from the reports. At the same time, Zell wasn't taking any sh*t, and Chris did indeed appear chastised.

God, I love the internet.

Are any Montreal LGF lizards interested in a meet-up?

# 204 nanadoc:

(I'm a former liberal Dem) The liberal spinning is outrageous and makes my blood boil.

And so it does to many of us here.

#201 goldsmith

I really think this election has torn Sully up so much his brains fell out somewhere along the line and all he has left is his hatred because Bush endorsed the FMA.

Now if he wants to endorse Kerry because the the FMA (weird, because Kerry says he's anti-same-sex marriage too..at least on even numbered days), FINE DANDY be that way. My beef is that he knew he was voting Kerry months ago and spent weeks denying it while posting ever more outregeous Emily Latilla type anti-GW diatribes.

Go ahead and be mistaken...just be honest!!

I've always been more in the libertarian wing of the GOP (even spent a few years as a registered Libertarian), but as Zell said, "My family comes first" and right now, the Republican party, for all the differences it has on social issues gets it right on the big things.

Can we please take care of making sure there's food in the fridge and a roof over our head before we argue over the place settings?

I really think this election has torn Sully up so much his brains fell out somewhere along the line

As the saying goes in the United Church of Christ- "we're open minded- some of us are so open minded that when we bend over our brains fall out"

Thanks all who have posted the links that I missed while studying how to tax your asses! My heart is swelling right now, and I'm pretty sure it is not just the Barton's. I can't wait to vote. As a young pissant cowboy, I have grown up over the last four years, immensely. I have grown up with LGF over the last two + years too. This stupid shit we do everyday is a product of the whole notion of America. I'm so thankful I wasn't born in N. Korea, Syria, Pakistan, shit, anywhere but here. I'm listening to Arnold right now, because I missed it last night because I was in class again. I can't describe how proud I am to be an American right now. I watched the tribute to R.R. replayed, and it brought tears to my eyes. This jaugernaut is only getting stronger, and I am putting my full soul, and effort behind it. This idea is contagious and it's spreading too fast to contain it. Keep kickin' ass, because I know we all will! Is it Thanksgiving yet?

I found a link to footage of the nut jumping onto the Hairball set and he's yelling - get this - "Remember Abu Ghraib!" with a black bag over his head. LOL! Another room-temperature-IQ left wing imbecile.

[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

Go to Alaa's site. He posted again, and his eloquence has not faltered.

Sullivan is just way too pathetic to tolerate at this point.

He's entitled to focus on the one issue - it is, after all, very personal to him.

However, in this, the hyprocrisy of Sullivan is a real issue. He decides to bury his 3 years of raving for the President's response to 9/11 because of the President support for the FMA. He claims that he is in favor of States rights - yet the fact that 2 years ago California voters by a margin of 62-38 defined marriage as between a man and a woman is immaterial.

Bottom line - he raves for years about the war on terror, the islamofascism threat, 9/11, 3K Americans murdered, the need to stand up to the threats - then endorses Kerry (which undoubtably he wants back) because Bush supports the FMA - regardless of Kerry's position du jour.

Add to this the very lame plea for $100K to cover "bandwidth costs" - at the start of his P'Town month long vacation. Frankly, my vacation from Sullivan will continue a lot longer...regardless of his continued whinging.

Why does Sullivan still blog - and DenBeste calls it quits? It's not fair!!!

That was, by far, the best speech I have ever seen on TV. It was exactly the rage I needed to hear from a Democrat who feels betrayed by his party. It is the rage everyone should feel at the betrayal of the Democratic party towards the American people.

I, of course, had to comment on it:

http://nerra.com/broadsword/archives/2004/09/01/25 3/righteous-indignation/

It was an absolute necessity for America to hear that at this time. That man deserved the standing ovation that he got. He got one from me at home when I heard it. He pummeled the betrayers of this country and I hope that he just finished Kerry tonight. The Democrats will be flaying him alive tomorrow, but he seems absolutely prepared for it as evinced by his rebuttal of Matthews on MSNBC tonight (which was fantastic).

That man truly is and was a Marine. he doesn't seem to be taking any betrayals lightly and certainly not the lies thrown about by the Democratic party. It is time that others like him stand up and join him and Ed Koch and others who stand up for what Democrats used to stand up for with Republicans in our times of need.

OT Debka snippets:

Powell says US wants UN sanctions against Iran after concluding Islamic Republic on verge of enriching enough uranium for four nuclear bombs

Israel points finger at Damascus. Israeli ambassador will Friday hand administration officials fresh intelligence on Syria’s complicity in terror against Israel and looting of Lebanon’s resources and ask for Washington’s intercession.

Sharon says order for twin attacks on Beersheba buses, which killed 16 Israelis and injured 100, came from Hamas HQ in Damascus. (Victims listed in DEBKAfile News Box below.) Mofaz: Most terrorist action in Israel tied to intensive activity in Lebanon and Syria involving Iran and Damascus-based Hamas command.

Sorry Damascus, sorry Tehran.

El cubos seem like they are on another planet. I am not sure though, they can be quialified as intelligent lifeforms, ifthat would be the case, only barely.

Speaking of another intelligences... who knows:

Mysterious signals from 1000 light years away

What time will Bush be speaking tomorrow?

Hi zulubaby. :)

I'd figure around 9pm EST I think. That's probably the best time they have to put him on.

Or maybe 9:30pm.

I also think Sullivan, whom I used to like reading, is being eaten up by some sort of rage. He's angry at Bush for what he sees as a betrayal, yet he clearly doesn't think much of Kerry either and is angry at that. But Zell Miller REALLY seemed to press a button for him.

I was moved to do some research on Miller, and wrote Sullivan a letter, which he may or may not even read (I assume he gets lots of them). Here's a portion of it, in case anyone's interested:

Since you're so angry at Miller for harking back to a "shred of ancient rhetoric" on Kerry's part, why are you so insistent on bringing up Miller's ancient racism? Back when Miller was coming up in southern politics, there was no future if you weren't a racist, especially in Georgia. Yes, Miller cut his political teeth under the notorious Lester Maddox. Yes, he didn't diss Maddox at the man's funeral. And I'd love it if you could provide a link for the quote about Miller saying that LBJ had sold his soul to the Negroes (I couldn't find it when I googled it). But Miller's record since the 60s, as far as I can tell (and I did a fairly lengthy search) has been fine on the subject of race. Which is far more than can be said for Kerry on the subject of defense.

I failed to see anything in Miller's speech tonight that was even remotely relevant to race issues. Does that long-ago history--which all southern Democratic politicians share, and which Miller seems to have corrected long ago--disqualify everything he says now? And what stereotypes about the South did he do his best to revive in this speech? I read your post several times, but I couldn't find an answer.

I'm neither a Dixiecrat nor a Southerner nor a Republican nor a racist, but I share Miller's fear that, if Kerry were elected, the physical safety of all Americans would be more threatened than if Bush were elected. That's a valid position to take. You may not agree with it, but many Americans do. Sorry if it's not subtle enough for you.

Recent quotes from Miller on race and the South:

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...] [Meet the Press, November, 2003)

That’s not what the South is. The South right now, if you took its economy, it would be the third largest in the world, next to the United States as a whole and next to Japan. Fifty-five hundred African-Americans right now hold office in the South. In Georgia we have several statewide elected officials who are African-American and who were elected last year in a race where a senator and a governor were being defeated. They were being elected in a state that’s 70 percent white...
MR. RUSSERT: Do you think the Confederate flag should be flown in public places?

SEN. MILLER: Maybe at a museum or somewhere like that. I think you may know—it’s in the book— that whenever I was governor, early on I tried to remove the Confederate emblem from the flag in Georgia.

And this, from an article in Slate [Link: slate.msn.com...] :

A National Party No More [Miller's recent book] makes it clear Miller sees today's Democrats as snooty elitists—and he resents them. "The biggest problem with the party leadership is that they know nothing about the modern South," he writes. "They still see it as a land of magnolias and mint juleps, with the pointy-headed KKK lurking in the background, waiting to burn a cross or lynch blacks and Jews.

Hi Banagor, howzit going? :-)

I was half asleep and just had this horrible thought that I wouldn't be home in time to watch Bush tomorrow night. I'm a bit odd.

# 229 zulubaby:

I was half asleep and just had this horrible thought that I wouldn't be home in time to watch Bush tomorrow night. I'm a bit odd.

No, not at all; I call that a reasonable panic.

ördög Johnson, Syria is where the evil is bred, trained, armed, and funded, and Israel needs to bitchslap them. Soon.

Israel May Strike Syria Over Pair of Suicide Bombings

Israel on Wednesday bluntly threatened to attack targets in Syria to retaliate for a pair of near-simultaneous suicide bombings that killed 16 passengers and wounded dozens of others aboard two crowded commuter buses in the southern city of Beersheba.

Although the bombers belonged to a local cell of the Palestinian militant group Hamas operating out of the West Bank city of Hebron, Israeli officials said there was direct evidence that Hamas leaders in Damascus, the Syrian capital, had orchestrated Tuesday's attack.

"Syria is continuing to harbor the leaders of these terrorist groups," said Raanan Gissin, a senior aide to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. "That's where the orders emanated from — we have hard proof of that. And geographical location is not going to serve as immunity for anyone."

A similarly worded warning came from the Israeli army chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, speaking to a parliamentary committee. "Anyone responsible for terror against us shouldn't sleep soundly at night," he said.

RickZ, I suppose you're right. It's such an important election. I was thinking about the DNC and how much more powerful the RNC has been so far, such incredible speeches and just a totally different atmosphere. I'm trying to look at it all objectively. The thing that I remember about the DNC is Kerry sweating so badly I thought he was going to melt. And that's about all I remember. Kerry didn't seem to know where he was going, what he was talking about, like it was his first time speaking publicly.

# 232 zulubaby:

I'm trying to look at it all objectively.

I have to admit, I'm not. As a suth'uner, well, Virginian, Zell spoke to my heart. Growing up in Virginia, where the American Revolution ended, and our Civil War began and ended (both at McLean's Farm, first living in northern Virginia where it started, then moving southwest to Appomatox where is ended [great Jeopardy! question]), I have a deep, abiding respect for those who serve. My belief is that it is because in the South, battlefields are sacred ground. I've walked many battlefields throughout the South, including that No'thun one in Gettysburg.

Zell is the type of politician who made me a Dixiecrat, not like the Dhimmis today. They've lost touch with reality (as we all know), but to hear it from someone like Zell was absolutely perfect. The odds are that his speech threw the election over to Bush, because of the strong Southern traditions that exist in many voters pissed off by the lunacy of Kerry and his supporters.

So, you're right: I wouldn't want to miss Bush tomorrow night, either!

PS - I hope you did get to hear Zell's speech, coming back late as you did. It was truly magnificient. Simply awesome. Like nothing I've heard since Cuomo in '84.

Some OT humor:
A cookbook left by the little green men in Northern Africa

Just kidding... Qaddafi's hallucinations and his Little Green Book (whatever that is).

# 234 ordog Johnson:

Qaddafi's hallucinations and his Little Green Book (whatever that is).

Like Mao's Little Red Book, except in the other Christmas color.

RickZ, I did get to watch it. In fact, I watched it twice. It was magnificent.

I have to admit, I'm not. As a suth'uner, well, Virginian, Zell spoke to my heart. Growing up in Virginia, where the American Revolution ended, and our Civil War began and ended (both at McLean's Farm, first living in northern Virginia where it started, then moving southwest to Appomatox where is ended [great Jeopardy! question]), I have a deep, abiding respect for those who serve. My belief is that it is because in the South, battlefields are sacred ground. I've walked many battlefields throughout the South, including that No'thun one in Gettysburg.

I had a conversation with someone yesterday, an American, who said that he thought that the laws should change to allow for immigrants to be able to run for president. I told him that I disagreed with him because there are certain things that someone who isn't born here will never understand and the part of your post that I just quoted is exactly what I'm talking about. When I arrive in South Africa, my heart can just about burst when I smell the African soil and see the African sky. There's a deep attachment to the place one is born. I really believe that. I've lived in the US for many years now and I still get homesick for South Africa, often. And G-d knows how much I love the US, how proud I am to be part of this great country. This is my home now, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.

Qaddafi should leave the real issues to the adults and figure out why he prefers to wear dresses.

Commando in Chief

OT (sort of)

Someone asked the other day why more Jews don't vote for Bush. I think this is your answer. The problem is Jewish Neutrality on Israel. Check it out.

#236 zulubaby

I would somehow disagree. US is not just piece of land, it is a land of ideas that attracted people from all corners of the world and still do, it became a place where they could feel finally at home. You don't have to be born in US to soak in what being an American is about (regretfully, a big chunk of people that are born in US have no effin idea). Some people are born American even if their birthplace is somewhere else. They realize it at some point in their lives and usually find some way to get home.

I am in Canada for 20 years now (well, 5 years in US from that), to realize that I am actually in a wrong place. Very likely, I will rectify this mistake in a couple of years. And the country in the middle of Europe where I was born? Never've been back since I left. In fact, Europe is for me now a strange land. I could probably smell what it would become when I left, intuitively.

However, the law about requirements for US presidency is right and makes sense. Nothing prevents people like Arnold to hold a very influential position within the administration.

#221 Athos

Yeah, $100K for bandwidth seems a tad much... Seeing as how I host over a hundred blogs and several forums for under $2K a year, and with room to spare.

I'd welcome SDB back even if all he ever wrote about was anime. I think eventually the need to write will get to him - it's in the blood, and you can't get rid of it. :)

Editor of Kuwaiti Daily: 'We are with President Bush'

(Of course, there is that "Islam has nothing to do with terrorism" thingy, but the guy is a Kuwaiti, so somewhat understandable that he would use a gratuitious remark of that sort)

Today, Ahmad Al-Jarallah, editor of the Kuwaiti Daily Al-Siyassa and the Arab Times wrote an article in support of President Bush. The following is the article:

"We are with President Bush who has said, 'I am the man who makes history.' Who, other than President Bush, can launch a war against terrorism? Who else will come to the rescue of people suppressed by dictators? Who else was there to build and develop nations? And above all who made democracy the new international system for all the people in this world?

"None of the Middle Eastern countries could face terrorism alone. Some of them went to the extent of making compromises and allying with terrorist organizations. These countries were afraid to kick out terrorists until the United States arrived on the scene, heading a coalition of the willing to root out terrorism. Some people may be skeptical about what the U.S. has achieved. But we know it has not only liberated Afghanistan from Taliban and its ally Osama Bin Laden but also created a modern democratic country with its own police, army and other civil institutions. The United States has also liberated the Iraqi people and created a modern country from the ruins of the former regime. There are some people who still call the war to liberate Iraq as 'baseless,' citing the failure of Americans to find any weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

"What they forget is the Americans did find many mass graves where millions had been buried alive. This alone is enough to prove Saddam's regime was more lethal than any WMD man has known.

"Quite recently the U.S. forces have cleansed the holy places in Najaf of the remnants of the former regime and other infiltrators. When we consider all these there is no doubt Bush is a man who creates history. Western countries, which were against Bush in his war on terrorism, are now feeling the painful stings of terrorism. France has two of its citizens kidnapped in Iraq. The kidnappers have threatened to behead the French hostages if France fails to reconsider its law, which bans Muslim women from wearing hijab in schools.

"Terrorism can be tackled only through war and only the United States, backed by a President who creates history, is capable of handling such a war. We must remember Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorists exploit the religion to achieve their objective, which is to destroy civilization, kill people, start wars and plunge the world into darkness. We saw how these terrorists kidnapped and killed innocent people under the cloak of religion only to forget all about their cause in exchange for a fistful of dollars.

"The entire world is aware of the cause and effect of terrorism. The killing and beheading of some innocent people won't prevent the United States or its allies from confronting terrorism. Americans are convinced of the need to fight this menace and no country is better equipped to do this job except the United States, which has the mightiest armed forces history has ever known. President Bush has the right to say 'I am the man who makes history' because he is fighting aggression against modern civilization. He is creating countries which enjoy democracy, peace, stability and security. These countries are now able to be a part of the international community sharing their traditions and culture with the rest of the humanity. Bush is the President of not only the United States but the whole world for he is making history on this small planet."

***Way OT

Reverend Alan Clifford sent me this unbelievably biased article written by Dan Grimmer of the Evening News (Norwich UK).

They are bashing him for...check out this headline..."pastor Should Shut Up and Stop Attack on Islam'.!!!

Please, Please, contact this rag and let them know that after a bloody week of Islam, they should SHUT THEIR MOUTHS about the good Pastor and go after the Moslem population in their midsts which are gaining power daily.

Pastor renews Attack On Islam

Well, good news/bad news scenario for Florida (or South Carolina)

Official NHC forecast track has a hit near Palm Beach, then northwest to Orlando with 110 mph sustained winds as it passes. Palm beach gets the 145 mph sustained winds in the official forecast (over 230 km/hr). At landfall, hurricane force winds forecast to extend north up the coast about 80 miles (130 km)

GFDL, in a Floydesque turn, has hurricane force winds reaching the Space Coast Saturday night, a slow crawl up the coast with hurricane force winds along the immediate northeast coast of Florida Sunday night, the a weakening system hitting Charleston as a Cat 1 (minor) hurricane.

The GFS, which is a lower resolution global model, is similar to this.

On the other extreme, NOGAPs follows the NHC track, to a point, with a hit on Florida and a strong Cat 1 or Cat 2 hurricane moving back into the Gulf near Tampa Saturday night. Then, after 2 days over Gulf waters warmer than 30C to recharge Frances' strength, a second landfall east of Pensacola.

Canadian global very similar, except its second landfall near Bay St. Louis, MS

The UK Met Office Tropical model is even further west, with a second landfall near Port Fourchon, LA. Note the UK Met Tropical also predicts a new storm to develop and follow a path remarkable similar to Frances.

Interesting to see how varied the models are.

I think the UKMET Tropical is right about the future Tropical Storm Ivan.

I had kind of though a few days ago the system north of that might become Ivan, and it still could become Jeanne, but either way it is already too far north to come all the way west.

But Ivan might be the mid-month hurricane.

I used to read the Daily Dish in the run up to the war. Sullivan got it, he understood.

Then GWB didn't embrace gay marriage, and suddenly nothing else mattered.

Gay marriage won't matter much if Sullivan is coughing up his lungs with anthrax or drooling on the floor after a Sarin attack, IMHO

I think Frank IBC had a rule about posting more than three times in a row.

Hey, Ed

Could you explain the "good news" part of the "good news/bad news" scenario to me? (Unless the good news is for people with Home Depot stock ;-)

Terrorist suspect Mullah Krekar, who has been convicted of terrorism in Jordan, sues Norwegian state:

[Link: pub.tv2.no...]

Mullah Krekar submitted his suit against the Norwegian government Wednesday. His lawyer said US Secretary of State may be called to give a witness statement in the case.

[Link: www.aftenposten.no...]

Krekar is the former leader of the guerrilla group Ansar al-Islam in Kurdish northern Iraq. His expulsion was based on the suspicion that he constituted a national security risk and the USA has long suspected Krekar or Ansar al-Islam of links to al-Qaida.

I woke up this morning anxious to see how the MSM would deal with Zell's performance.

On CNN, the Stepford Anchor didn't report what he said, she simply queried a guest with a line similar to "Isn't negative campaigning like that going to backfire on the Republicans?"

The Boston Globe didn't even mention Zell on page 1; the headline is "Cheney Leads Attack on Kerry", and Zell doesn't even get mentioned until page A31.

It appears that they are going to try to ignore and trivialize the most important and effective political speech in recent history. Good luck.

Andrew Sullivan is a slug -- he's become that which he mocked last year. His descent into madness disgusts me, and this week upon his return from a 3-week vacation he called the SwiftVets a 'Republican smear' from Bush.

Here is an alternate link to Zell Miller vs Chris Matthews:

[Link: video.msn.com...]

Miller also refers to Matthews mowing over Michelle Malkin, when Matthews falsely put words into her mouth.
 

If you have Microsoft Windows, this is the page with the largest/clearest videos (link posted by others above):

[Link: www.dailyrecycler.com...]

(Speech and Matthews interview)
 

Oh man, he kicked so much ass.

4 blasts heard at the russian school.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Zell has my vote in 08 no matter the party.

If EVER there was a "good ole Georgia boy", he is it. We've known in GA for a long time that Zell was the face of the Democratic Party of 40 years ago...sure, he still doesn't believe in everything that I do, but he is strong in 99% of the areas that most Southern Republicans believe to be important.

Zell 08! :)

Owl
Georgia boy.

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Well, the good news is that there is still some model support for a wekaening Cat 1 or 2 hit on South Carolina, which would destroy far fewer homes, and maybe not kill anybody, as say, compared to a Cat 4 hit on Palm Beach w/ a second hit near Pensacola.

Here's the headline on today's local Knight-Ridder rag:

Republicans unleash assault on Kerry
Cheney, Zell Miller attack him as a leader

Which is, I suppose, the 'logical' follow-up to having identified Zell Miller as a Republican on the front page of Sunday's paper. Just one of those little errors, mind you, that happen from time to time. Nothing a little correction buried inside the next day can't fix.

Ed M. -

Rules are made to be broken.

I think my record is six in a row. Serves me right for posting on Saturday mornings when everyone else is recovering from The Friday Night Drinking Thread.

I didn't know Zell was a Mountain Man. No wonder I like him!

if Sullivan is coughing up his lungs with anthrax or drooling on the floor after a Sarin attack

Sounds like he's doing that already. :(

off topic:

I live in Jupiter, Florida, and the eye of Frances is going to go over my house (most likely at this point). The evacuations are going to start at 2pm. Let me tell you, this storm, if it hits as a 4 or 5, will cause some severe damage to the Palm Beach area. the value of the homes here are fairly sick, but I live in a rather modest (by local standards) home.

Many of the thousands upon thousands of people who moved here over the past few years have moved into those mass built development homes, and those things will not hold up to a 4/5.

Charley hit a rather sparse (by Florida standards) population; Palm Beach and the Treasure Coast is a densely populated area.

Say some prayers folks. Once I post this message I'm taking this computer apart and putting it in my care.

Zell Miller has a certain quality that distinguishes him from the rest of the democratic party:

Patriotism.

((( Teacake )))

UKMET Global Model says Teacake indeed
has a Cat 3 hurricane party Tuesday night.

If it is going to head for South Carolina, it had better hurry up and turn.

Check Logic and Sanity for the situation in Ossetia.

12 confirmed dead, suspicions that 15 men were executed inside, the terrorists have removed their masks and Basayev is denying he is involved.

Thanks, Colt, I was just getting around to wondering what was happening over there :-(

Thanks Ed. Now I get what you were saying.

I remember Palm Beach as having many very beautiful - but old - buildings. A gorgeous area. (My aunt lives in West Palm Beach - oy.)

Let's hope for the least amount of damage.

"I feel good, da da da da da." Sooo Goood, dadadadada.

Unbelieveable speech by all speakers last not.
I remember feeling so down and lost during the Carter DNC, until the Reagan RNC. Kerry the POODLE, yes a Standard Poodle.

Zell spoke for the heart of this country. He said it all. Only thing I wish he would have mentioned is the for ISLAMIC before the word Terrorism. Like in "ISLAMIC TERRORISM."

I hope Bush mentions the Russian school hostage crisis tonight.

God Bless America

Just so it's clear - if they take off their masks, they are not planning to leave alive.

#267 evariste

Yeah. It really doesn't look good. That gym is a death-trap- the diagrams I've seen show one large door in and out, and tiny windows at the top of the room - too small for quick entrance. The building is booby-trapped, their men are dispersed, etc. There's too much that could go wrong in an assault.

At least the kids are getting fed. Small mercies...

And those fucking dogs will give them time to decide whether to blow the place up if the Russians try to use gas.

I only read the first few posts in this thread, but if they indicate the majority opinion here, I'd like to disagree. I enjoyed Zell Miller's speech last night. I also thought his initial rebuke of Matthews was excellent and effective. However, Miller quickly lost his advantage by looking and acting like a lunatic. I am assuming most people on this thread want Bush reelected. How does this help his chances with swing voters?

Colt: Do you think the decision to kill everyone and themselves has already been taken by the terrorists? I think that's probably the case, and they're just trying to prolong the misery and give the Russians time to come up with some plan so they can blame the Putin's aggression for "forcing" them to blow it up.
I hope the Russians pull something amazing out of their hats :-(
I hate terrorists. Are you joining Mashal?

Boy, I love that Zell!!!

What a bitch-slapping that cornball Matthews took! He was slapped like a red headed stepson!

I thought Zell's speech was superb and precise, I thought he handled Slimeballs Chris Matthews perfectly.

Loved it when cornball Matthews cried like a bitch when he bemoaned how he was never treated like that by a guest...Boo-Hoo-ho.

Did you see him boot lick Zell at the end, '..."We're still friends?..."

I AM HAPPY A BOOT LICKING CORNBALL WAS FORCED TO EAT CROW PLATTER AFTER A GOOD OLE FASHIONED BITCH_SLAPPÍN!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

ZELL, You Da Man!!!

TZeb, sometimes fieriness can galvanize people to get on the right side. Swing voters just means people who haven't made up their minds. It doesn't mean people who must be softpedaled and appeased. And Zell didn't come off as a lunatic at all, unless you think speaking the truth passionately is "lunatic". Thanks for registering today to tell us that. Very insightful. Are you a "swing voter"? Didn't think so.

We got a voter registration form from Jeb Bush yesterday. They get it. They know some of us get it. But don't expect them to use the words "Islam" or "Muslim" at this point. Those who DON'T get it will explode in anger and accusations of crusader and bigot, and crush all their efforts to take action. So for now, its going to be "the thing of which we do not speak".

#275 evariste

Do you think the decision to kill everyone and themselves has already been taken by the terrorists?

Yes. The removal of the masks sealed it AFAIC.

I think that's probably the case, and they're just trying to prolong the misery and give the Russians time to come up with some plan so they can blame the Putin's aggression for "forcing" them to blow it up.

I think you're right. They're either waiting for an assault, or for something else to happen. Are there any significant Chechen/Ingush/Islamic anniversaries coming up?

I hate terrorists. Are you joining Mashal?

I'm going to try. Justifying the 'why?' is easy enough - days like today. 'Why not?' is easy, too. Why the fuck not?

#95 Deadman:

My favorite scene was the climactic shootout in True Grit.

Zell to Matthews: "Fill your hands you son of a b*tch!"

Re: The Child Hostage Situation. My grim conclusion is, with Russians on one side, and Islamists on the other, there is no way this is going to end peacefully.

andrew2, LOL!! Yes. You nailed it, that's why I enjoyed that so much. Zell made Matthews eat a shit sandwich, and like it.

Ed Moran: Can you alter the hurricane in any way? I have been planning for weeks, to go to Orlando this weekend for my birthday. Can't get my deposit back now.

Debka:

Three women with three babies reported released by hostage-takers occupying Beslan school in North Ossetia

Phil

Andrew Sullivan is a bigot.

#281 Colt

I think you're right. They're either waiting for an assault, or for something else to happen. Are there any significant Chechen/Ingush/Islamic anniversaries coming up?

I don't know, I'm completely ignorant about Chechen stuff and Islamic stuff is on a lunar calendar so it moves all over the year.

I'm going to try. Justifying the 'why?' is easy enough - days like today. 'Why not?' is easy, too. Why the fuck not?

Exactly. Why and why the fuck not are both easy to answer. I wish you well.

oldtimer

Zell to Matthews: "Fill your hands you son of a b*tch!"

I think Zell came off as the Virginian and Matthews came off as a combination Trampas/Shorty.

Morning all,

The speech by Zell was the most satisfying display of patriotism, that I have seen in a very long time, it's about time The American Soldier was defended and praised in this country.