I watched Fox this am and noticed a few points. The Russia Army hadn't sealed the area. Civilians were standing on the troop transports (apparently trying to get a better view?). Streets were very crowded with civilians. Who's running the show there?

i read in the Sun this morning that they were throwing t he bodies of dead children out the window.

What is the story with the terrorists insisting on speaking to Russia's Dr. Spock or whatever?

And just think. The slobs at CAIR disagreed when the 9/11 Commission labeled all of this "Islamist Terrorism" for fear it would "take away attention from real terrorists like Eric Rudolph".

Will the Government please, please step up and shut these anti-American, anti-Israel pricks down and haul their asses to jail, where four or five of their former employees already sit for breaking our laws?

from the article (front page above the fold)

A soldier at the scene told The New York Sun late last night that he witnessed children's bodies being thrown out of a window of the school earlier in the day.

Such lovely people. Let's give them a state!

Disgusting! I guess this is Islam at its finest...where are all the imams and muftis who are decrying this barbarism???

I am a teacher and schools in the US have very little security. Are we watching to see that this cannot happen here in the USA?

NPR devoted about two minutes to the situation on the top of their newshour this morning, referred to them as "militants" six or eight times, never used the word "terrorist" or any variation or synonym for "Islamic."

For all the context NPR gave, the school could have taken over by armed representatives of PETA, Moonies, or Up With People.

The Russians have offered the terrorists the option of releasing the hostages in return for safe passage, but the terrorists refused. No doubt the terrorists want to die in a hail of gunfire or explosions and all those kids be damned.

Isn't there a sleep agent they can pump into the school and then go root these Muslim Islamic Murderers out, separating them from the decent people?

I doubt that the children (or other hostages) released were Muslim. Apparently North Ossetia, where Beslan is located, is mainly Christian. This is probably why it was chosen in the first place.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

BTW, the CBC is still referring to the hostage takers as "militants". I suppose Michael Moore would call them Minutemen.

I am a teacher and schools in the US have very little security. Are we watching to see that this cannot happen here in the USA?

I want concealed carry in the schools, and teachers given marksmanship training free.

#1 Bob

I'm thinking the same as you, there appears to be little crowd control outside that school, lots of Russians milling about and getting in the way.

Meanwhile the local major newspaper here in Milwaukee has yet to use the "T" word in conection with this horror. They're still "militants", "Chechen separatists", "insurgents" or "rebels" (all used in one article).

DC Watson, they have two dogs. If the dogs pass out, and they will pass out first, the terrorists will set off the explosions.

My husband didn't know the terrorists were muslim.

He does now.

The Russians have offered the terrorists the option of releasing the hostages in return for safe passage, but the terrorists refused.

They had no intention of coming out of this alive from the minute they entered the school. I fear that for many of the terrorists that this has gone beyond terrorism in the sense of attempting to strike a blow for "allah". For many the object is more what we in the US would call "suicide by cop". The goal goes no further than "martyrdom" and the express line to paradise and the 72 virgins and if that means taking out a few hundred or thousand people in the process, so be it.

Sandy P-amazing.
The media's willfull blocking and covering for the Islamists really does have an effect, folks.

#14

Most people don't know OBL had anything to do with Somalia

Well I posted this basic thought on another thread.

I think there is a fundamental tactical error being made. Colt and evariste posted (on the other thread) that this is theater and they are correct. We are giving them an audience.

When they us that the hostages will live if we only do such and such, what do we do? We attempt negotiation, we allow a media circus, blah, blah, blah. In effect, we allow them to transfer responsibility to us.

What happens when street-protester idiots chain themselves to a fence with a lock that has no key? The authorites bring hacksaws, etc., to try to release them. They never let them suffer the consequences of their choices: no water, no food, soiling themselves, etc.

I think what needs to be done - at least one thing - is to be sure the consequence of this choice is reinforced. These people are starved. Yes, they will kill hostages and throw their bodies into the courtyard. But they also should die in utter isolation, without any recourse to the outside world, with the absolute knowledge that they are not being given any credence or applause.

These hostages will die, yes. But this is the only way, in my view, to save lives that are not now in imminent danger.

And Iron Fist, if you ever read this, this is the foundation of the philosophy of cruelty.

I started to get uneasy when the news reports came out about the children released. All of them were infants and their mothers, which makes me afraid that they're intending to blow up the school. Then again, I may just be watching too many action movies.

Sandy P., #14

I'd wager that most people in this country do not know that these terrorists are Muslim, the media has gone out of its way to avoid those identifications.

#6 Christy J:

No, we're not watching American schools to see that this can't happen here---though we should be!

I'm afraid demands for protection for American schools will have to come from parents themselves, along with concerned teachers; our law enforcement bigwigs just don't seem interested, and they won't be, until, G-d forbig, something actually happens, at which point they'll run around ineffectually, flapping their hands in the air.

Remember Columbine? Kids, who could have escaped, being told by 9/11 operators "Not to panic", and stay put---when they could have gotten away? (NOTE: DO NOT RELY ON 9/11 WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE! RELY ON YOUR G-D GIVEN INSTINCTS! IF THEY SAY "RUN", YOU RUN!) The cops refusing to let a sniper take out the two killers, even though the sniper had a clear view of them, and could have have gotten them? I honestly doubt most of our security guards, police, sheriffs, et al could handle a full-out, armed attack---or, even if they could, that they'd be allowed to do their jobs by the politicos, who might hamper them in the name of preventing "Panic", or soothing some group like CAIR---and G-d help everybody if the State Department butts in!

Given their current track records, I doubt groups like the FBI would be much help, either.

In my rantings yesterday, I said I thought it likely that, silly as it might sound, parents might have to patrol the schools, because it doesn't look like anybody else is going to---and I'm gonna say it again!

It saddens me to say this, but the era when we could reliably look to others to defend us might be over.

And, yes, we ought to arm teachers, like they do in Israel.

#6 christy

.where are all the imams and muftis who are decrying this barbarism???

They are busy trying to free the 2 poor Fwench journalists who have been mistakenly taken hostages in Iraq by mechants activists. The entire Arab word is thus mobilised for this unique and noble cause.

It's a pity most of you can't see the news coverage on this issue. The French are praising the Arab dictatorships, Al Jazeera (which for once harshly condemned the hostage taking, yup, I am not joking), the mad mullahs, the ulemas and so forth for condemning so loudly this ignoble crime.
You wouldn't believe how much the gov't and the media in France are literally fellating the entire Arab world, who is so humane, so liberal, so open minded, and above all so concerned about terrorism. And of course, Islam HAS TO BE the ROP.

Were those released Muslim?

They released the youngest, which since all children are "born Muslim" according to them, these were young enough not to have turned non-Muslim yet. Some women released as well I presume to carry the children.

OT: excellent editorial

Why appeasement is always wrong

"...Consider the stomach-turning symbolism: on the same day two of its suicide terrorists blew up 16 Israeli civilians in Beersheba, Hamas issues a plea for clemency on behalf of the French journalists, saying they deserved special dispensation in return for France's "honourable" anti-war stance on Iraq.

No democracy should have to jump through these hoops to keep innocent people alive. No self-respecting Western government should endure the humiliation of having bloodstained hands signing a statement of solidarity..."

[Link: www.theage.com.au...]

Anyone here have the suspicion that while this sort of attack will continue, that the Islamics will start to let the people go without harm?
I know that if I was trying to undermine the Bush presidency, that I would arrange for that to happen. Right now one strong point the president has is that you can't negotiate with terrorists.
I would not put it beyond their crudeness to deliberately pull off that sort of crap just before the election as a method of derailing Bush.

Of course, now all the lefties reading the blog will make every attempt they can to contact Al Queda and it's groups to make sure they have thought of this tactic. You people are the sewage of the earth, and you deserve to live in the sewers like the excrement you are.

#22 David PI

It's a pity most of you can't see the news coverage on this issue.

Charles, David is absolutley right. Perhaps you could start a thread on this and perhaps David could help with translation if any is required? My only source is No Parasan! but I still don't feel fullly informed.

read the above linked editorial re: France

"The blackmail demand from the terrorists to the French Government has no direct link to events in Iraq. Publicly, the kidnappers said the survival of the journalists depended on President Jacques Chirac revoking a French law banning Muslim headscarves in public schools.

All of France is distraught - and angry. This was not how it was meant to be. It is a bitter lesson for the French - indeed, for all of us - because it represents incontrovertible proof that there is no buying immunity from the war on terror."

#25 JonB

Anyone here have the suspicion that while this sort of attack will continue, that the Islamics will start to let the people go without harm?

I know that if I was trying to undermine the Bush presidency, that I would arrange for that to happen. Right now one strong point the president has is that you can't negotiate with terrorists.

Interesting point, but I do *not* think these people are that bright. I may be wrong.

Of course, now all the lefties reading the blog will make every attempt they can to contact Al Queda and it's groups to make sure they have thought of this tactic.

lol.

The latest news is that some of the terrorists have been identified and their relatives brought to the scene to 'help with negotiations'.

That sounds a bit like 'assisting police with their inquiries' - I have no doubt that the families of the terrorists will be targeted if the school is blown up.

Here in Australia, the terrorists are generally being called by their true name ( eg "A gang of terrorists took about 200 children hostage ..." )

- the headline in the Sydney Daily Telegraph is:

School siege: Terrorists threaten to blow up classrooms

But the local leftie rag, the Sydney Morning Herald, with its usual oozing hypocrisy, refers to them as 'armed attackers' and 'rebels'.

In every country, the Left is the Left is the Left. They will never change. They will make excuses for vile murderers until the same treatment is inflicted on them - cant be soon enough for me.

From IRAR-Tass:

Mr Dzantiyev was quoted as saying on Wednesday they threatened to kill 50 children for every fighter killed.

Putin should respond by stating that for every hostage killed 10 Chechen prisoners will be immediately executed. A strong message would be delivered that hostage taking will not only not further their goils but will be counterproductive. When they run out of prisoners perhaps the next tactic misht be for eash hostage killed one mosque in Chechnia will be bombed to rubble.

#25 JonB:

At the risk of sounding like I ought to be wearing a tinfoil hat, I think you might be onto something. I do think the current upsurge in Islamfacist violence has something to do with the upcoming election, and the RNC going on right now! They might be planning to release the hostages---or they might be planning to kill them, in an attempt to "up the ante", so to speak, or to make Bush look weak (at a time when he's distracted by the convention.)

September's here, and November's coming up awfully fast. The acceleration of murder and bombings from the "Religion of Peace" could be linked to that.

How do we know that these terrorists are Muslims? After all, apparently they have two (unclean) dogs with them.

#27 Moishe Pipick
A cruel lesson for the French maybe. Inasmuch as the 2 said French journalists were deeply pro Arab, with a point of view that would have made them honorary members of the ISM.
see my post here for details (and some additional infos on the same thread by Mr Pol on the personality of G Malbrunot, one the captives)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=1239 6#c0156

But I still very much doubt it will change their minds that easily. Not enough. ...worse, the whole story is being used as propaganda to demonstrate that the Arabs are friends of ours.

32 joe h
the dogs are self-portable miner's canaries - they pass out, the terrorists know they're being gassed.

unlikely in any case, as a dose to knock the adults out will likely kill the kids.

The Russians should offer a simple deal - release all hostages unharmed and thus avoid a nuke being dropped on the largest Chechen city.
Bush was right when he said that we can't win this war. They have to decide to stop fighting from within. A nuke or two might persuade the "moderate muslims" to moderate their "militants."

---But, not to worry, Lizardoids, the Moslem world IS protesting, at least in Merrie Old England!

Okay, okay, so it's not protesting their co-religionists' abuse of children---picky, picky, picky! It's protesting The Telegraph![Link: jihadwatch.org...]

But, hey, it's nice to know they're doing SOMETHING, right? Um, right? Right?

/Crickets chirp merrily in the background.

/At least the evil Brits took down that scandalous billboard of ladies in thongs!

#32 Joe H.

How do we know that these terrorists are Muslims? After all, apparently they have two (unclean) dogs with them.

Dogs are unclean only if they are in the role of pets. If they serve a 'working' purpose, such as police dogs, or seeing-eye dogs, they are acceptable.

Got that from the Wahhabis next door.

#30 beeblebrox

Putin should respond by stating that for every hostage killed 10 Chechen prisoners will be immediately executed.

Besides the strict humanitarian aspect, which would be fouled by such terrible retaliatory actions, I am not sure it would work well. These people thrive on martyrdom. Moreover, it would only strengthen the religious fanaticism in the region. This is common tactics used by many terrorist leaders (the Palestinians being the masters of it) to foster hatred and devotion to the cause amongst the population. Why do you think there are still hundreds of thousand Palis in refugee camps??

I am continuing with the updates.

#38 David 'Parisian Insider'

Of course it wouldn't work. OTOH, killing 50 women of child-bearing age would work.

There aren't enough cops in America to post enough of them at every school to stop 5 or 10 jihadis willing to die for the cause.

There is no simple solution to prevent that.

#41 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

Oh, yes, there is. Let the parents buy and carry assault rifles. A pissed soccer mom with a M-16 will wipe out a squad of terrorists.

#41 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

...and let the Girl Scouts bear arms, too.

#42 Mr. Pol

A pissed soccer mom with a M-16 will wipe out a squad of terrorists.

((( Mr. Pol )))

Chicks. With. Guns.

Here in the dark blue state of Oregon, not one reference on any of the news channels that the Chechen "rebels" are ISLAMIC. Been watching for 2+ days, have yet to hear the adjective "Islamic," or the word "Terrorist." All the good, pious lefties probably have the vague impression that these "rebels" are oppressed by big, bad, Mother Russia-- and should be given their "Freedom" forthwith.

And I should add...

Or as my dad said to the next door neighbor after he beat me like a gong to no avail

"You know what they say, Art - whatever happens, don't ever let them give you to the women".

These people thrive on martyrdom.

I more than understand that. I also understand that traditional tactics (negotiation, prosecution, etc.) are worse than ineffective, they are counterproductive. You state that it would only strengthen fanaticism, I would think that that is already occuring by indecisive action on the part of those who are looking for a "peaceful solution". In the end there are going to be two types of "peaceful" fanatics: those who are dead, and those who are too full of fear to act. The Russians, not known for their tact in these situations, may be very useful as the war on terror's thugs. They could do a lot of the things that we would rather not be seen doing ourselves.

# 16 Evariste:

So sadly right you are (and thanks, Charles, for so effectively demonstrating the MSM whitewash). I cannot wait for tonight’s euphemism(s) - “brigands” perhaps? I thought I was going to be sick watching the BBC last night (I’m forcing my wife to sit through all of this to open her eyes --- she’s coming around; the LLL DTs are very tough),

OT: I happened to catch a little bit of Fwench news last night and felt kinda sad, actually. There was Fwance, like a painted-up old putain running out of dance partners, being passed around the Arab League, calling in favors, for one last can-can…From what I could make out, the kidnappers are reveling in the publicity while Fwance sells whatever she has left to buy a few more years of intoxication for the Republique. Au revoir, Fwance, au revoir!

#47 beblebrox

No, actually, these 'people' do not 'thrive on martyrdom'. They have perfected the tactics of genocide: target women of child-bearing age and under. They don't give a shit about men and boys being killed, but they sure protect the girls - until they've got a couple or more kids.

Wanna scare the shit out of them? Use the exact same tacticts, kill girls and young women.

Evariste, this looks bad then. I wasn't aware of the explosives. I thought they just had firearms. My mistake. These poor kids.

I disagree with these bastards being offered safe passage by negotiators. What the hell is up with that? They're criminals.

I know I'm preaching to the Choir, I know you know. But when kids are victimized like this I really get pissed. And, I agree, our teachers should be armed. It's obvious that these Muslim lunatics will stop at no boundry.

I pray for these people.

Take care dude, out to lunch now.

#43 Mr Pol
Wanted to ask you something. How do you feel about the news coverage of the French hostage taking? The French media and gov't are really ass licking the Arabs, aren't they? The other moron, Barnier, pleading on Al Jaz...yuck I am disgusted. But this should come as no surprise.

Wonder what kind of justification Ignacio Ramonet will find to explain the ignoble deeds of the freedom fighters. Probably, it will be the US' fault.

#51 David 'Parisian Insider'

It's slightly more despicable than normal - but only slightly.

CHECHEN REPUBLIC OF ICHKERIA
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Thursday, 02 September 2004

Official statement on the hostage taking in school in Northern Ossetia.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs categorically rejects attempts of the Russian government to put the responsibility for the hostage taking in school in Beslan (Northern Ossetia) to the leadership of the Chechen
Republic of Ichkeria.

The leadership and the Armed Forces of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria do not have any relation to the hostage taking in Beslan. President Maskhadov and the political and military Chechen command categorically condemn all forms of terrorism.

No matter who is behind these taking children in hostages in Beslan, we categorically condemn this act of terrorism and join the Security Council of the United Nations in calling for the release of the hostages.

At the same time, we deeply regret that the Security Council of the United Nations has never condemned or expressed condolences about the more than 42.000 Chechen children that have been killed in Chechnya at the order of the Russian government.

For ten years Russia has been killing the Chechen nation right in front of the eyes of the all humanity using most barbaric means of state terrorism and genocide. The Security Council of the United Nations and
all other international organisations and national governments must either held Russia accountable for her mass and systematic crimes in Chechnya or admit the hypocrisy of their position towards the still ongoing Russian genocide of the Chechen nation.

Press Office
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Chechen Republic of Ichkeria

www.chechnya-mfa.info

#49 Mr Pol
Is that so? I mean, is it something that is, if I may say so, taught in 'the perfect jihadi manual', that is a widely accepted strategy amongst Islamic fundamentalists?

Anyway, NO western democracy is ready to tackle these bastards on their own battleground.

I like the previous suggestions about blowing up mosques or executing 10 Chechen prisoners for every hostage killed. Playing nice will never work. You have to out-terrorize the terrorists. When are Western schoolschildren going to be taught the true history of Islam and its millennia and a half of ceaseless brutality and warfare? Instead, our sensitive PC teachers instill guilt in our children and confer legitimacy on terrorists and offer sympathy for their grievances. It's a sure prescription for suicide in this battle.

#54 David 'Parisian Insider'

Is that so? I mean, is it something that is, if I may say so, taught in 'the perfect jihadi manual', that is a widely accepted strategy amongst Islamic fundamentalists?

Yes, it is explained in the Qu'ran, as a tactics to destroy your enemy: take their women.

Anyway, NO western democracy is ready to tackle these bastards on their own battleground.

Alas, true.

#51 David 'Parisian Insider'

I know the media does have a huge effect on some minds. But don't many French people see the disconnect from what they are being told, and the reality of what is happening in front of their eyes, over and over?

#57 Beagle

Yes, more and more people are seeing it. But they are scared of speaking up.

#49 Mr Pol:

Wanna scare the shit out of them? Use the exact same tacticts, kill girls and young women.

As much as I find it beyond distasteful I can't disagree. Perhaps what is in order here is a private video for the terrorists of what is being done to their wives and daughters. Success or failure, life or death doesn't seem to deter these animals perhaps it is time to hit them somewhere it hurts: in their precious honor and pride.

#59 beblebrox

That 'so-called honor and pride' is nothing more than a smokescreen for institutionalized genocide.

I have a sinking feeling...that the Arab-loving French journalists will be released. They can go back to gay Paris as conquering heroes, step up before the news cameras & blame those awful Anglo Saxons in America and GB, spew platitudes about noble Iraqis, and catch up with whatever Michael Moore & Jacques Iraq are saying. So fashionable. So French. Does anybody know etymology--- does "gall" come from Gaul??? I've always wanted to know...

#61 Firebreather

On the one hand, I'd like those two racist bastards to be beheaded, just to cleanse the gene pool. On the other hand, the image of France in Europe, and the influence France still has, would be damaged quite a lot by having islamic terrorists openly recognize France supports them - by freeing those two bastards.

#57 beagle
After 30 years of brainwashing, people are slowly opening their eyes. It will take time, or, God forbid, a major terror strike in a European city, of a magnitude exceeding that of 9/11.

True, it's still really difficult to talk about the issue of Islamic fundamentalism, and I am not talking about the warmongering inherent to the very core of Islam. But now, some people I have talked to in France say things they would not have said 2 years ago. That is, in private, since any public figure mouthing some concern about the fundamental of the Koran would be trashed by the intelligentsia.

But you have the same problem in the States, albeit to a lesser extent.

Anybody who has studied the recent history of terrorism knows that the leading imams, mullahs, clerics, et al...are far less inclined to offer themselves as martyrs than the illiterate foot soldiers doing their murderous bidding. They value their own lives, at least more than the foaming maniacs they dispatch on suicide missions. Think of those human pustules like Arafat and the wheelchair-bound "spiritual adviser" the Israelis whacked a few months ago. They preached death & martyrdom, but lived to a ripe old age. I think torture, abduction of their women & children, humiliation, assassination of clerics, and other tactics are all fair game. Why is it morally acceptable for Muslims to use such tactics, while we wring our hands and worry about what Kofi might say? In a fight for civilization, we can't afford the niceties of endless legalisms, etc.

A reporter from German ARD news who is on the spot in Beslan has just confirmed that former Ingushetia President Ruslan Aushev achieved the release of the 16 hostages. He was actually sitting in the car that drove some of the hostages away. At the same time, local officials have now admitted that the number of children alone among the hostages is 400, so that the total number of hostages is is actually closer to 800 than the 300 claimed by the Russian authorities.

In another new development, there are rumours about a second attack against a nearby village. The ARD reporter said that this was probably true, since they could hear exchanges of fire and airforce activity in the distance.

#62 Mr. Pol-- Do you think it would do more PR harm to France's position if the journalists are released? I should think their deaths would illustrate the utter moral collapse of France's across-the-board appeasement of/ collaboration with terrorists. Here they are appeasing in every way---and the terrorists still don't live up to "their end" of the bargain by releasing the journalists. Maybe the journalists' deaths would strengthen the Le Pen crowd and their hand--- and France may eventually (years from now) come onboard with GB & America to fight terror.

I just want to say that I have these kids in my mind all the time.
I can't even think what those mothers and fathers are going through in these hours.
I can't do a thing for them and this drives me crazy.

It is a shame we have allowed the situation to get rotten to this point.

I want the muslims out of the West.
I want them killed by the thousands as soon as they try something.
I want leaders able to bear the responsibility of this war and able to decide, and able to tell the truth.
I have enough of leaders half commies who share the same values of the subversive left.

I have those kids in my mind and you will please forgive me if I am unable to talk in an orderly way.

Thank you LGF for existing.

#66 Firebreather

How do you think Italians, for example, will react? France supports terrorism, Italians get killed. Don't think Berlusconi wouldn't point it out... The PR damage would be huge.

The typical media tone for this story might be captured in the headline "Separatists detain pupils". It doesn't take any imagination to figure out what tone the MSM would take if the perpetrators were not one of its protected groups.

You know, 3 years ago...America was putting heavy diplomatic pressure on Putin to give greater autonomy to the Chechen fanatics, give more attention to human rights, blah blah blah. It was the same mushy diplomacy during the Clinton-Albright years. What were we thinking??? I hope we don't pull the same BS when the Uighur Muslims in Western China start blowing up hotels in Beijing.

#67 Poitiers-Lepanto Amen to your sentiments.

It's time to create new political parties with explicitly anti-Islamic, anti-racist agendas. Huge sections of the electorate in Western countries are ready for this now.

I have this strange feeling that the hostages will be released. For once, the worst terror supporters in the Arab world have gathered in a morally repugnant ceremony to beg for the release of the French hostages.
Its telling of France's special relationships with their amis les Arabes.
Would it be a terrible PR blow? Probably but who needs further proof of the French gov't infamous collusion with terrorist states. Everybody knows about it, apart probably from the Frenc people themselves.

That said, I feel a bit queasy about the whole affair. Afetr all, we are talking about human lives. Whatever these journalists have done, and regardless of the fact that they are staunch Arab supporters, no one deserves to be killed like that.

#70 firebreather

"I hope we don't pull the same BS when the Uighur Muslims in Western China start blowing up hotels in Beijing"

Don't worry about hotels being blown up in Beijing. If the Uighur Muslims, or any other group of Muslims, try that shit in China, then they will cease to exist.

#67 Poitiers-Lepanto

Nobody wants to know it, apparently. You will pardon me if this is brutal, but:

I have those kids in my mind and you will please forgive me if I am unable to talk in an orderly way.

Those kids are dead. The only thing you can do for them is send some money for their funeral. Accept it.

# 68 Mr. Pol--- You may have a point. France might be more "isolated" if that were to happen. But then they would continue their current course of appeasement. The executions might wake up some in France to the fact that no separate peace is possible. I agree with you about Berlusconi--- in fact, just read an old interview from 2003 in which he commented on anti-Americanism in Europe. He said: "What Europeans don't understand...is that America is a WRONGED nation, a wounded nation...and what America is doing now (in the war on terror) benefits all of humanity..." Great leader.

#73 David 'Parisian Insider'

Whatever these journalists have done, and regardless of the fact that they are staunch Arab supporters, no one deserves to be killed like that.

Charles Enderlin. 'nuff said.

Is it confirmed that the hostage/child ratio is 800/400 and not 400/200 as previously believed? In that case, the airliners blown up were not Russia's 9/11--- this hostage situation is.

#76 firebreather
A good indication is that Berlusconi is probably even more despised than Bush by the French.

#73 David PI

regardless of the fact that they are staunch Arab supporters, no one deserves to be killed like that.

Reap. Sow.

#80 grayp
Schadenfreude is big today ;-)

Mr. Pol

Charles Enderlin. 'nuff said.

Charles Enderlin? Please educate.

Isn't it interseting that the old, totalitarian Soviet Union kept Islamic fanaticism under wraps for the most part (in Kazahkstan, Uzbekistan, Chechnya, et al.)...but now that Russia has splintered & shifted to democracy, they're far less capable of containing these zealots? There may be a lesson in that...democracy/laws/higher morality/deference to international opinion... may not be equal to the task of fighting radical Islam.

#81 David 'Parisian Insider'

Tell you what: find me a rusty, dull knife, and I'll behead Enderlin myself.

#82 grayp

Google 'Mohammed al-Dura'. The 'reporter' who fabricated that piece of propaganda is Charles Enderlin, from the state-owned France 2 TV channel.

#81 David PI

Schadenfreude is big today ;-)

If I knew how to say 'fuck off' in French I would. So I'll say it in English. Fuck off.

This is not Schadenfreude. I take no joy in the dhimmitude of the French. It is a horror to me that I stuggle to understand.

As for schadenfreude, I admit I won't weep when any nation denouncing the war on islamozealotry is hit. I'd be a liar if I said I felt much sympathy for a nation whose leaders and people denounce the war on terror and believe Islamic killers occupy the moral high ground in this battle. Reap what they sow (or enable) indeed.

#87 Firebreather

In that particular case, when the two 'journalists' are well-known for supporting Arab terrorism, when both of them have written and published pieces demanding that France stop criticizing Balestinian terrorism, why, schadenfreude it is. I want those two fuckers dead. Too bad you can't trust a [bigoted word] to do a good job.

#84 Mr Pol
Ah, ce bon Charles...je l'avais oublie celui la!

#82 grayp
On the history of one of the most vicious anti Israel propaganda, read here:
http://www.chretiens-et-juifs.org/article.php?voir []=205&voir[]=2078

Worst, it now appears that the footage showing al Dura being killed in the arms of his father (images which have been distributed worldwide, for free, by the French TV France 2) is a fake. That according to various independent investigators, who believe that the boy could not have been killed ie that everything had been orcherstrated and staged beforehand.
Charles Enderlin has consistently refused to show the rushes to the investigators.

#89 David 'Parisian Insider'

Tu vas voir que ces deux connars vont s'en sortir... travail d'Arabe... rogntudju...

Where are the gendarmes, the French Foreign Legion? These institutions once embodied French masculinity. Has this nation learned none of history's lessons...it's OWN HISTORY at that? Is it so neutered by the past, so reluctant to fight its own battles, so (secretly) confident the big, bad Americans will clean up the problem...that it's just completely emasculated?

I feel awful for the children in that school, and I think that their fates have already been sealed. I am sure that after they are killed, or the school blows up or whatever happens, Russia will be chastized for any actions they take to prevent future attacks. The left (always found it funny that the word "sinister" is Latin for left) will then decry any retaliation or any sanctions imposed by Moscow.

I don't know much about Chechnya, but based on the terrorism coming from there, I think that these terrorists should be obliterated. Obviously, they are not followers of Gandhi...and the publicity (ie. power) that they are getting from this will only inspire more.

My question to both Bush and Kerry is--what are you doing to prevent this from happening in the USA...and why do we allow so much immigration from Muslim countries???

Mr. Pol.

Got it.

#91 Firebreather

Short answer: yes.

#86 grayp
Read Mr Pol's post #88 and you'll understand why I mentioned schadenfreude when talking about those 2 journalists, dear. They were supporters of terrorism BIG TIME.
Now, in case you need it again, 'fuck off' translates in 'vas te faire foutre'.

Any of you bilingual French speakers know if the word "gall" is etymologically traceable to "Gaul"?

#96 Firebreather

Gall comes from Middle English galle, from Old English gealla, from Latin galla, all meaning nutgall.

#86 grayp

If I knew how to say 'fuck off' in French I would. So I'll say it in English. Fuck off.

French Lesson of the Day

Vas te faire foutre (fuck off in the singular)
Allez-vous faire foutre (fuck off in the plural)

I knew it would come in handy someday that my mom comes from France and made me learn French.

#90 Mr Pol
Evidemment qu'ils vont etre liberes, eux. Le quai d'Orsay doit etre en train de pomper la queue des plus gros dictateurs du MO (remarque, ils ont l'habitude), Chirac est certainement en train de pleurnicher aupres d'El Assad...si ca se trouve, ben Laden himself va faire une declaration condamnant cette acte 'd'une incroyable barbarie'. Et puis, ils vont leur filer du ble, aux terros, comme ca ils pourront s'acheter des armes toutes neuves qui leur permettront de buter de vrais enemis: sri lankais, italien, americains etc...
Et tout le monde en France sera content. Des fois, je meprise mon pays.

/end of French transmission

The Left always trots out Ghandi (or Christ), passive resistance, "turn the other cheek" and other coping strategies to avoid unwanted conflict. What they fail to discern is that such tactics only work against an enemy with some semblance of a conscience (i.e. Ghandi standing up to the British). The Jews used this same "tactic" of Ghandian passive resistance against Hitler's stormtroopers--- obviously, to no avail. Will Ghandi's tactics prevail against robotic Muslim zealots for whom the murder of infidels is a sacred religious duty? Anybody with a brain knows this is impossible. Unfortunately, 50%+ of liberal westerners have no brain.

# 97 Mr. Pol-- Thanks. That clears up a longstanding misunderstanding of mine.

ChristyJ

My question to both Bush and Kerry is--what are you doing to prevent this from happening in the USA...and why do we allow so much immigration from Muslim countries???

It's only a question of when. And when it does happen, the US will be so enraged that things will start to happen fast -- that is, if we manage to keep W in the White House or put Giuliani & Co. there in '08. We need leaders who know how to fight, and we need people who will not scoff at the old idea of a militia. I pray it won't, but it may come to that.

#71 Firebreather

thank you

#75 Mr Pol

yes

That is driving me crazy.
And the West remains open to the next massacre, and to the one after that, and to the one after that...and so on...

Unending blood... and we don't unleash the dogs of war.

I take all this first of all religiously, not politically, we are committing a monstruos sin of OMISSION.

La pleurnicherie...ca c'est vachement francaise...

La caracteristique plus francaise, c'est l'attitude larmoyante...

That means--
Whining --it is so French...
The most French characteristic is their sniveling attitude

The "brave" Chechnyan Islamists have freed some little children, a handful of those born between 2002-2004... but there are many more little children held hostage!

And our hand-wringing leftists are still sympathising with the terrorists???

Those who defend civilization from Islamic barbarism can mobilize to wage total war and win it now while we're still relatively strong--- or wait (or continue the present course of fighting with half measures), exhaust ourselves and lose the battle over time. Demographics may eventually tell the tale. They're outbreeding us at least 2 or 3 to one.

#104 ChristyJ

Tout à fait: c'est le point commun entre la France et le monde musulman :-)

But a crowd of hostages' relatives keeping vigil outside the school was shaken when a pair of explosions went off just ahead of the release. Officials said militants fired rocket-propelled grenades at two cars that got too close to the school.

How frightened those children must be. I almost can't stand to think about it. How is this going to end? :-(

Interesting. The "related slideshow" is

Terrorists Hold Children Hostage at Russia School

As long as Jews aren't being targeted, I guess the media doesn't mind identifying terrorists as such.

This from News Channel 8 in my hometown: "The rebels were provoked by Russian heavy-handedness and they see their action as the only way to bring international attention to the issue of Chechnya." This is nothing but EDITORIALIZING, unapologetic propaganda/cheerleading masquerading as straight news.

That's probably why they understand each so well one another.

David PI

Sorry, David PI, I evidently misread your post(s). Please accept my apology and thank you for your gentle correction. But I must tell you that I understand the French people and the gov't to be an enemy of the U.S. and of me. I don't relish the dhimmitude of France. Even if France chooses to be an enemy of me and mine, I do not wish dhimmitude.

Mr. Pol, I understand on a tactical level your idea of killing women. But you deny men their own humanity if you think this can be done with impunity to the souls of our own.

Why don't the geniuses in the US state department see how ultra-tolerant immigration policies in western Europe have put nations there in grave danger? Algerians, Moroccans, Turks, Palestinians et al. are remaking Europe...politically, culturally, socially, you name it--- and not for the better (as if anybody needed reminding). And here in America, Arab immigrants are being fast-tracked into our cities w/out even cursory background checks. I know, we should never fear 'The Other,' even when The Other wants to destroy our civilization and replace it with some tyrannical system that comes straight from the primordial ooze.

I think that Mr. Pol might be right and that everyone should prepare themselves for the fact that every single one of those children could be either dead already, or will shortly be murdered.

The minute these Islamonazis put their plans into place, innocent lives are lost. There is no hope for dialogue-that is not their interest. They just want to kill. They want the headlines. The question is not that which is asked so often by moonbats "why-why would they do such a thing", like 'what kind of misery drives them to do such things'.

The question is really why aren't we doing more to stop them, and cut their heads off? Or, why shouldn't they continue on with these tactics when it so obviously pays off?

#113 WriterMom

...everyone should prepare themselves for the fact that every single one of those children could be either dead already, or will shortly be murdered.

God forbid... :-(

#111 grayp

I understand on a tactical level your idea of killing women. But you deny men their own humanity if you think this can be done with impunity to the souls of our own.

I don't have kids of my own, but I do have nieces and nephews. If protecting them means damaging my soul, then so be it.

#111 grayp

I must tell you that I understand the French people and the gov't to be an enemy of the U.S

Alas, it's mostly true. I couldn't agree more with you, that's something that pisses me off so much. On a brighter side, nothing is always black and white though. There are French people who think well of the US and are ashamed of their country's behaviour. Many of them are Jewish, but not always. I know some good people. They are to few, unfortunately.

#64 Firebreather

Why is it morally acceptable for Muslims to use such tactics, while we wring our hands and worry about what Kofi might say? In a fight for civilization, we can't afford the niceties of endless legalisms, etc.

I agree that we should take off the gloves and replace them with brass knuckles. But I don't think, give our superiority in every way, that we need to stoop to their level.

We should move from trying to put the jihadis on trial to just making them die. It would be simple to do if we just decide to do it. The major obstacle is making people realize that imams, mullahs, and ayatollahs (Oh my!) are military leaders more than spiritual leaders.

If they call off the attack dogs, they sit. If we were to simply kill the more violent religious leaders there would be a huge initial backlash. But if we keep doing it, look for their bravado to turn pragmatic. But it's a dangerous strategy in the short term.

The media is, and will continue to be, on the side of the enemy for the most part. The media is waging a fantasy war where they hope that by wishing the Muslim clerics are peaceful that makes it so. There is no honest reporting on Islam, but the MSM feels free to insult Christianity and Judaism. I don't know if it's fear, bigotry, stupidity, or all three.

Mr. Pol

If protecting them means damaging my soul, then so be it.

Mr. Pol the sin-eater. I would damage my soul for my family also. And how did HaShem give us this love? I don't know. Perhaps it is a matter of trust - we trust the love given to us by HaShem.
David PI

Many of them are Jewish

No kidding.

No comment
French leaders pray for hostages at a mosque in Paris

The Islamic crocodile is just starting to bite Frawnce.

No offense meant to anyone, and I admire them for refusing to lift their ban on Hijab Headscarves, but the French continually fail to realize that if it weren't for the United States, they'd be swirling around in the shitter.

They take themselves, and their opinions, far too serious. They are in Dhimmitude, and are trying to claw their way out to a degree, but they haven't made any of this easy on the West.

They're arrogant elitests...and should put their feet back on the ground. Muslims in every land ignore and disrespect the laws of the countries they've infested. They expect special treatment. The world needs to learn to tell these bigots NO.

#100 Firebreather

The Left always trots out Ghandi (or Christ), passive resistance, "turn the other cheek" and other coping strategies to avoid unwanted conflict.

If you study Biblical history, Jesus hung with a rough crowd of rebels. He didn't get his hands dirty, but his friends did.

#119 David Parisian Insider

That's revolting!!!

#119 David PI

"We might die at any moment if this law is not repealed," Mr Malbrunot said.

If you need help getting to th U.S. let me know

#123 writermom
Bah, they try to make friendly with the French muslim community, which, to be honest, has unanimously condemned the hostage taking (for once).
Note that they don't say whether they prayed Allah style. Still, I wonder if some at the Quai d'Orsay (French equivalent of the SD) have already converted.

#15 beblebrox

They had no intention of coming out of this alive from the minute they entered the school. I fear that for many of the terrorists that this has gone beyond terrorism in the sense of attempting to strike a blow for "allah". For many the object is more what we in the US would call "suicide by cop". The goal goes no further than "martyrdom" and the express line to paradise and the 72 virgins and if that means taking out a few hundred or thousand people in the process, so be it.

From what I have read, the Chechen suicide bombers are virtually all women whose entire families have been wiped out. Here's a scary thought... Islam teaches women that God holds them in contempt and that they are going to go to hell, since heaven is the place where rightous men go and get away from women as their reward. (Those 72 virgins and 28 young boys are magical creatures, not human women and children in the afterlife.)

So your children, husband, parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. have all been wiped out by the Russians. You decide that you would rather go to the hell sooner than later, and you are going to take as many Russians with you as you can manage. And the idea of hundreds of grief-stricken Russian parents whose children have been blown up makes you cackle with the closest thing you have felt to joy since your own children were killed.

Islam offers women very, very little in the way of hope, or self-worth, or even the most minimal incentive to avoid damnation by avoiding evil. She's already damned, what more can God threaten her with? It's not at all hard to imagine that if you push a Muslim woman far enough she will convert to death-worshipping nihilism.

I've afraid that the Russians have really bitten off way more than it would first appear. Islam has told these women that they are damned in the afterlife, and Russia has damned them in this life. Now Russia faces an army of the Living Dead, hatched in the mysogynist evil of Islam and matured in the fire of Russian butchery.

cathy :-)

David 'Parisian Insider', of course the Muslim community is condemning this kidnapping. Everyone knows that the idiots made a mistake and kidnapped their friends!

#125 David

It's so gross, going back for more. They lick the Muslim's asses, then the Muslims kidnap "their" people. So what do they do? Go back for second helpings at the mosque?!! Prostrate themselves in a mosque and sing the joys of the ROP? Feh!

By the way-the reason that the French Muslim community is condemning it is because they don't want people to make the obvious link: Muslim=Muslim=Muslim. The kidnappers aren't any different then the whining locals. Same goals, different strategies.

#127 zulubaby
I know.

#124 grayp:
Thanks for the offer, I shall remember it in due time should the necessity arise. Mr Pol says we have only 2 years left, but Mr Pol is a big time pessimist ;-)

#129 David 'Parisian Insider'

Optimists think we live in the best of possible worlds. Pessimists fear they might be right.

Beagle #117 --- The media's fear, bigotry, stupidity...it's all 3 and a lot more. I would add "enabling", "cheerleading" (recall the disgusting comments of Ted Turner, Ted Koppel, and many others) and other words that aren't printable for a family-oriented website like LGF. F--K these enablers. They have so much blood on their hands--- think of Abu Ghraib and how it was deliberately exploited by the wider media to further inflame muslim passions and delegitimize our moral standing, leading to the Berg and other beheadings...not to mention fuelling the wider "insurgency," leading to the deaths of many more of our troops and further destabilizing the situation on the ground. All the outrage over humiliation was moral preening on the part of the media. They weren't exercised at all when our contractors were burned to a crisp. All's fair in an election year, as far as the establishment media is concerned. In sowing moral confusion, they have attempted-- and to some degree succeeded-- in conferring moral legitimacy on the terrorists. The damage they've done is incalculable. Sorry to rant at length...these anchormen-rodents-editorialists occupy a special rung on the ladder of intellectual & moral depravity.

#107 insider

Tout à fait: c'est le point commun entre la France et le monde musulman :-)

Malheureusement, je suis d'accord. J'ai honte de mes origines francaises...

English: Unfortunately, I agree. I am embarrassed by my French roots.

#130 Mr Pol:

Optimists think we live in the best of possible worlds. Pessimists fear they might be right.

Oh, that's priceless. I'm going to use that one.

#133 Cam

You are welcome to it. Read David Gerrold's War against the Chtorr series for more quotes like this one.

Each time I see Comrade Ketchup, one such quote pops in my mind... "Never trust a tall dwarf. He's lying about something."

I knew this one.
Optimists think we are all going to eat turds. Pessimists think there won't be enough for everyone.

#135 David 'Parisian Insider'

Actually, I don't expect widespread cannibalism in France. Not in the near future, at least.

A Fren(chie) sauce tartare, bwahahaha!

#134 Mr Pol:

Never trust a tall dwarf. He's lying about something."

LMAO! Oh, I'm keeping that one too.

:-)

There is still one horrifying topic about this hostage taking that I am loath to bring up, but I unfortunately feel that I must. From what I understand, the Koran holds Muslims blameless for having sex with captives, as is indicated by this verse (among others):

070.030 Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,

Thus, it should be expected that any female in the school old enough to be considered an adult is a target for rape.

May God protect these innocents from their brutal captors.

#139 Cy -Kologis

Thus, it should be expected that any female in the school old enough to be considered an adult is a target for rape.

Welcome to the real worldl. Sorry,

#126 cathyf 9/2/2004 11:07AM PST

You're scary!

#131 Firebreather

Indeed. Very well said. My personal jihad is against the MSM. I have the sent e-mails to prove it.

#139 Cy-Kologis... Heartrending scenario. Think of the mentality of some Muslim Chechen man sitting there in the school...it's his last opportunity to have "earthly sex" before blowing up himself (and his victims) & ascending to heaven, where Allah has promised him 72 celestial virgins. So he knows he's about to die...and he avails himself of some 4 year old student, with full Koranic sanction. Makes you want to heave your guts out.

Any Chechen man who sexually assaults a female student-- however young she may be-- can cite not only the Koran as divine sanction...but the great Pedophile Prophet himself. Muhammad took girls as young as 7 to share his bed during his wars of conquest.

I think I've found the perfect way for the French to get out of their hostage situation:

Why don't they PARTLY revoke the ban? Just keep the parts that prevents Christians from wearing crosses and Jews from wearing skullcaps, but revoke the part that prevents Muslim girls from wearing the head scarves.

Yeah...that will show the backbone that we all know the French are famous for! And that way the wonderful solidarity of the French with Muslims can continue to prosper and grow.

#100 & #109 Firebreather:

I hear you, friend! I also sometimes wonder if, even when passive resistance does work, if the results it brings about are always the best ones. Dr. King's work, was, of course, great in civil rights, and helping American blacks, but look at all the millions who were massacred in the India/Pakistan conflicts, after the Brits pulled out of India. The Brits left without mass bloodshed---but mass bloodshed occurred, all the same.

/I also think King was a much smarter man than Ghandi was.

Yeah, yeah, it's all going to get blamed on Russian "heavy handedness." Murder, torturing children, homicide bombings and genocide can all be excused if they're done in the name of some noble "political cause"! which brings me to. . .

#126 Cathyf:

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! I knew it was just gonna be a (brief) matter of time before the Chechnyan Black Widows got remanticized into tragedy queens! Cathy, think---WHY do you think their Islamofacist menfolk (who usually despise females) recruit them to aid them in their abuse of children and helpless civilians? It's because they're hoping the press is going to hone in on these "poor" women, and the sad tale of how their families have been killed by the evil Russians. These guys know that Islamic females usually come across as more sympathetic than Islamic males---and that Americans are suckers for sob stories, love stories and underdogs!

(Grayp---I know you and I were discussing this, the other day! Any thoughts on this? I know I'm getting into ranting mode again---I think you're a bit more sane.)

Cathy, I am sorry for the suffering these women may have endured---but I am even sorrier for those helpless, frightened children, being held prisoner in that school, and their weeping parents. Nothing---NOTHING justifies the murder and torment of children, no, I don't care if the Russians have killed some of these womens' relatives---I don't care if they've killed ALL of them! Nothing justifies terrorism!

And if anybody checking the black widows' tales of grief and woe? How do we KNOW they're all doing it because their relatives were killed by Russians? How do we know they're not "dishonored" women, whose families are very much alive, and forcing them to go through with this to restore the family honor? or they're divorced because they were barren, or had only girl children? This is bad, but it's an evil their own society is inflicting on them. What are we supposed to do to change that?

How do we know they're not fanatics, as cruel as their menfolk---who may have been killed by the Russians for very good reasons? They may be Islamic versions of Bonnie Parker, or Ma Barker.

Islam is cruel to women, and the Russians have been cruel to a lot of people---but, what do you suggest we do? We can't jump in a time machine, go back and fix up the miserable lives of these women! We can only deal with them women in the here and now, when they perform cruel and murderous deeds---stop them!

And whatever we do, we mustn't get sentimental about them, or start feeling so sorry for them we start excusing what they do. Please---you obviously possess great sympathy, but save it for the victims of the Black Widows, not the Widows themselves!

#146 TalkinKamel

Re: Cathy... You took the words out of my mouth.

The odd thing about the black widows in the latest booms--no one has claimed their remains. That means only two things: A. No family member left (highly unlikely in the tribal character of Chechen society with extended families) or B. "Dishonor" type of scenario.

Re the French hostages. Just saw Dominique de Villepin (who is a man) on French TV. He sounded quite optimistic about the hostages faith. He ended his interview by a sentence like this: "tomorrow is the day of prayer (that is Friday, the day of prayers for [bigoted word]s) and I hope that on this special day we will see blah blah blah...
Dhimmitude at its best.

BTW, there is at the moment an documentary on al Mehdi army "freedom fighters" on French TV. The complacency of the journalists for these thugs, added to the rampant anti american stance, is a chef d'oeuvre of propaganda per se.

#148 David 'Parisian Insider':

saw Dominique de Villepin (who is a man)

LOL. He may be a male, but I doubt very much that he is a man.

;-)

#7

For all the context NPR gave, the school could have taken over by armed representatives of PETA, Moonies, or Up With People.

Bwahahaha!!

"Up, up with people, you meet 'em wherever you go [Hallelujah!]
Up, up with people, they're the best kind of folks we know!"

memories of elementary school...

#146 TalkinKamel

And whatever we do, we mustn't get sentimental about them, or start feeling so sorry for them we start excusing what they do. Please---you obviously possess great sympathy, but save it for the victims of the Black Widows, not the Widows themselves!

Actually, I was thinking about them more like you would think about a dog who has been turned vicious by being beaten by his master. You are filled with a murderous rage towards the master -- while you track down the dog and kill it.

My comment about Russian barbarism is more along the line of pragmatism. Beating a vicious dog more without killing it makes the future more dangerous for anyone who might get close enough to the dog to get injured or killed.

This is not about poor sympathetic widows. It is about a "religion" which so morally damages it's adherents that if they become victims of some bad thing it turns them into depraved monsters. So depraved that we have no idea what to do with them other than to hunt them down and kill them before they kill others. It is becoming more and more clear to me that we must convert all Muslims away from Islam, or at least lock them up and sterilize them, before they can destroy the humanity of any future generations. But in the meantime, if you are going to commit genocide against Muslims you had better be damn sure that you get them all. Because Islam makes Muslim survivors uniquely prone to turn into soul-less death-bots.

cathy :-)

Mr Pol if you are still around, have you read the declaration of our beloved foreign minister, Moron...errh...Michel Barnier on Al Jazeera.
It's repugnant, asslicking at its climax.
http://www.proche-orient.info/xjournal_pol_int.php 3?id_article=27968

Also interesting for those foreigners who can read French. You'll see (as you had already guessed) than France will stoop to doing anything to please the Arabs.

#149 Cam-

#148 David 'Parisian Insider':

saw Dominique de Villepin (who is a man)

LOL. He may be a male, but I doubt very much that he is a man.

LOL! Let's amend it to

Dominique de Villepin (who sports male genitals)

#153 evariste
He sports male genitals, maybe, but I don't think he has enough cojones to oppose the Islamofascists.

#153 evariste, #154 David 'Parisian Insider':

LMAO!

Ah, French-mocking. My favourite sport, right after hockey.

French Hostages Handed Over to Iraqi Group

Jean de Belot said on France Info radio that the news was positive, but that he remained cautious until the men were in safe hands.

"The latest information is that Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot have been handed over by the Islamic Army in Iraq to an Iraqi Sunni guerrilla group ... an opposition that we know for a few days now has been in favor of the release of the hostages," de Belot said.

#153 evariste

Dominique de Villepin (who sports male genitals)

Are you sure?

Explosions Heard Near Russian Hostage School

Is that new? The know the Reuters report says 5 minutes ago but sometimes they just update the stories. I hope this isn't in addition to the explosions from earlier.

France and the definition of Dhimmitude:

If you are willing to put your neck under a Muslim foot, the Muslims might be kind enough not to crush your throat.

#155 cam

Ah, French-mocking.

It's priceless indeed. Especially coming from a real French.

#156 zulubaby
You are so quick, I am impressed . Yeah, I told you, I am 95% sure the French journalists will be released.

BTW, if ever ever I should come to LA (one never knows,, a medical congress may take place there sooner or later), I would be sooo pleased to meet you. I will put you under the dreadful spell of my French accent (actually, mine is quite British but I have no problem forcing a French one). You won't be able to resist.
Zat eez ze Franch secret waypon
;-)

LOL, David, Cam-how about

Dominique de Villepin (who is said to sport male genitals)

#161 evariste :

LOL!

evariste:

Check yer mail.

Cam-I've got one from you from 11:36 am (central) that I just now replied to, is that the one you meant? I received a Windows Media file from someone named "Doug Smithson" but haven't got around to watching it yet, was that you? Who the hell is Doug Smithson? Doug, if you're reading and I should know your name, sorry about that buddy, I'm forgetful ;-)

#164 evariste:

Who the hell is Doug Smithson

One of my many alter egos, along with Choni Chavez and Rock Harder.

;-)

According to the Russian press they are establishing identities of the bandits and try to round up their family members. Official version is for - trying to collect more information about terrorists intention and plans, or persuade them to negotiate with their relitives inside. Speculations are - for having families of the terrorists in the hands of the Russian special forces.

David 'Parisian Insider', I'm sure they didn't realize that they were French when they kidnapped them.

Zat eez ze Franch secret waypon

LOL, you're telling me! ;-) And of course if you came to LA it would be lovely to meet.

#158 zulubaby

Is that new? The know the Reuters report says 5 minutes ago but sometimes they just update the stories. I hope this isn't in addition to the explosions from earlier.

They've been firing RPGs and grenades at cars 'too close' to the building. Hopefully this is more of the same.

If the terrorists blow the gym up, it will be very clear to the media at the scene.

Yesterday the mufti said all babies are born Muslim, so the terrorists released the Muslims.
Every picture I saw of children released, were babies or toddlers.

Senseless Violence

Courtesy of IMRA, this is a Saudi story deploring the terrorist takeover of the school in Russia.

When genuine political grievances are sought to be solved through perpetrating violence against children, it inflicts the most grievous harm on the cause that is sought to be furthered. The decent people who were supporting them in their fight against injustice turn against them.

Exception for Palestinians, who are allowed to murder as many children as they like.

#14, Sandy P..."My husband didn't know the terrorists were muslim..."

My wife refuses to believe the ROP would do such a thing and lambasted me for being a nazi racist.

#38 David..."These people thrive on martyrdom.."

It is my firm belief, we indulge them in their martydom, until they a) Come to their senses. b) Surrender or,
c) all die in martyrdom.

We should absoloutely take off the gloves and kill as many of the enemy as possible.