Here is a great link to who Ayaah Hirsi Ali is--

Behind the Veil: A Muslim Woman Speaks Out

I admire her heroism...

He will remain in the Dutch Parliament as a one-man party.

Doesn't it take two to party?

I have a Dutch coin. Will it be worth more now because of this?

3 Cornholio

Ummm, from what I've been told...not if you are handsy, ummm...handy...no, hell that didn't sound any better...awww fuck it.

# 3 C

It takes two to tango ..
:-)
:-)

Hey, I thought I was the one-man party.

4 SST

Will it be worth more now because of this?

Oh sure it will...:-).

Hope he doesn't meet the same end as Pim Fortuyn.

OT, but Tragic Fire in German museum

Even money this is arson by a jihadi.

I thought the same thing about "The Scream" being stolen... destroying the heritage of Europe is a critical step in the creation of Eurabia...

I see criticising Muslim bigotry toward host country is right-wing, accepting Muslim bigotry and subjugation of women is liberal.

I wonder if he'll be gunned down in the streets?

OT -

I saw a bumper sticker today that I've not seen before.
it read:
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."

#2 Christy from your link

"If the West wants to help modernize Islam, it should invest in women because they educate the children."

Well, if women remain under the control of men, it ain't gonna do much good will it? But wow. Wow.

#6 bigel

Holland was done for when they gave Pim Fortuyn's killer a slap on the wrist.

WHAT? Tell me more.

Watching the movie "Remains of the Day" right now. What an unbelievable classic.

The scene with Chris Reeves as the American politician ripping the European appeasing "gentelmen" new orifices over trying to engage in "peace" with Hitler is poignant and timely.

W. is Reeves.

Kerry is the French ambassador with the achy feet!

just got in from the pub...the news just gets worse today (well this morning now)...

OT: Thought I'd share my mirth at my own misunderstanding of the headline Cheyney says Kerry doesn't understand the West.

I thought he meant the West and in "the Western World", and agreed with the statement.

Turns out he actually meant the Western U.S.

#6

Now, the Dutch are nothing but immoral, multiculti, filthy, Euronazi Jewkilling animals like the rest of that filthy, degenerate shithole of a continent.

If postings like these can stand unchallenged and uncondemned on this website I think I will not bother coming back here.

If you can't see blanket racism and bigotry at its worst or even tacitly approve it, there is nothing to discuss or comment anymore.

I hope I'm wrong.

American Infidel

No you are not confusing nations, you are deceiving nations!

True German Ally

Trust me, Bigel's posts are not enjoyed. We have grown numb to his callousness.

Fortunately, Charles has asked him to tone down his act.

Bigel, you need to end that shit.

Charles:

over the last couple of days, have we not seen enough bigotry and hatred spread...

please crack down on this

Now, the Dutch are nothing but immoral, multiculti, filthy, Euronazi Jewkilling animals like the rest of that filthy, degenerate shithole of a continent.

Bigel. Have you no boundries?

American Infidel:

Behold... you are deceiving nations!

Deceiving nations, I tell you!

“We have chosen to put on the market a selection of songs from Cat Stevens, to show to the Iranian youth that not everything in the West is bad,” the organization’s music director Reza Mahdavi told AFP.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim musicians.

27

Aaaahhh!

I clicked on the Cat Stevens thread. I know I did!!!

#21 True German Ally

You must be new. bigel gets challenged and bitch-slapped on a regular basis. His conviction that the binding theme of the entire world is to kill Jews gets slapped down alot.

But, if you don't see us diving on his case in this instance, there are two reasons;

Slamming bigel can totally derail a thread from its orignal purpose/discussion.

He is bigel. A one-trick pony sometimes. And we just say, 'yeah, bigel, whatever'.

But he is a Jew who lost family in the Holocaust, who has family in Europe that is threatened by the anti-semitism that feels more comfortable to expose itself than it has for 60 years.

It's not that that situation give him a status or prestige here - but his is a voice that knows something most of us never have - but most certainly will if Islamofacism is not stopped.

MP Geert Wilders has quit the Liberal VVD party in a dispute over his outspoken right-wing views.

Every time you see this term used in a news story, you know the reporter is from the Chomsky school of objectivity. If anyone ever sees the term left-wing in an article by a major wire service or standard MSM outlet, shoot up a flare.

#15--bigel

I think you misunderstand what Ms. Ali stands for...

read more about her on this link:
More about muslim women in Holland

A quote from Ayaah Hirsi Ali:

I intend to start on shelter homes, and turn them into women's liberating centres, where women not only get therapy and food, but also training on how to become autonomous. These programmes would be designed especially for Muslim women, because there are no programmes at all. They tend to go to the shelter for a while and then go back to a very abusive environment and then they come and go again.

"Her statements triggered a torrent of abuse and even death threats, and Mrs Ali found herself on the run again. She went into hiding late last year and spent some time abroad, but returned after receiving police protection. She is determined to continue her mission to promote integration and improve the plight of Muslim women. "

#30 bigel

would you mind to explain?

#19 saramouche

But does Kerry understand much of anything?

One more thing about Aayan Hirsi Ali--she considers herself an ex-Moslem.

Wow! You can FEEL the love on this board!

#21 True German Ally --

To quote the above: "to ignore the trolls..."

Bigel gets ignored a lot. I no longer read any of his posts. Nobody agrees with him, but countering his outrageous antics is counterproductive as he thrives on attention. Please don't bother rising to his bait. If sufficiently ignored long enough, he will evaporate from this blogosphere.

#42 bigel

No, I haven't forgotten, Bigel. I still have a number tattoo on my arm to remind me of those times.

Your remarks were right out of the Stürmer. Did you forget where these led?

#46--

I know the history. But being that harsh is a bit unnecessary. Remember how Denmark saved their Jews? Not all Europeans are defeatest anti-Semites, even if their media make it seem so sometimes.

#45 TGA

I still have a number tattoo on my arm to remind me of those times.

bigel? hallooo? time to apologize. again.

Here is
a link to a tv news report about the anti-islam film by Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Theo van Gogh. It's in Dutch, but it has many images from the film.

#48--

I know a Polish lady who was a little girl at the time. Her Jewish childhood friend got spared through her family's efforts.

There were collaborators. There were also good, decent people. Raoul Wallenberg ring a bell?

American Infidel, did you click the link? It is an Arafat quote. No offense. Not inside. Simply funny.

Bigel,

I see from reading the thread, you lost family in the Holocaust.

So did I. My Paternal Grandfather was the only in a family of 8 brothers and sister (plus parents, aunts and uncles) who escaped the Lodz Ghetto before Jews could no longer escape.

There are cemeteries in Poland with my family name on a crapload of gravestones.

I know what the Germans did. I do not need an education.

And maybe it is because I am Israeli, that I can see past the stupidity of your "Ramboistic" and apocolyptic vision of destroying Europe.

I do know that if what you advocate comes true, then the world will lose a lot more than a bunch of European Jew haters.

The world will also lose that stand by the Jewish stae and people. The families of righteous gentiles will be lost. Good people that simply want to live their lives in peace, raise families and do a little business will be wiped out.

All because of a fantasy that you have of retribution against a whole lot of people that had nothing to do with the murder of the previous century.

I OWE HAVE NEVER BEEN BETTER OFF!
It's only TV and the media
That make people think
That the end of our world is coming.

Only 60 years ago, They were leading Jews to their death, Like sheep to the slaughter! No Country, No Army. 55 years ago!

Seven Arab countries declared war, On the small Jewish State, Only a few hours old!

We were then 650,000 Jews! Against the rest of the Arab world! No IDF [Israel Defense Force]. No mighty Air Force, Just tough people with nowhere to go. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, attacked all at once. The country the UN "gave us" was 65% desert. The country started from scratch!

35 years ago! We fought the three strongest armies in the Middle East and wiped them out in six days!

We fought against different coalitions of Arab countries, with modern armies, and masses of Soviet Russian weapons,and we still won!

We have today a country, an army, a strong Air Force, a Hi-Tech Economy, exporting millions.
Intel - Microsoft - IBM develop their stuff here.
Our doctors win world prizes for medical developments.
We made the desert flourish, selling oranges and vegetables to the world.

Israel has sent its own satellite into Space! Three satellites all together! We sit proudly, with the US, with 250 million people, with Russia, with 200 million people, with China, with 1.1 billion people, with the Europeans --France, England, Germany, with 350 million people, the only countries in the world to shoot something into space!

To think that only 60 years ago, we were led, shameful, with no hope, to our death!

We crawled out of the burning ashes of Europe, we won our wars here with less than nothing we built an country out of nothing.

Who the hell is Mr. Arafat to make me scared? To make me be terrified? You make me laugh!

Passover was celebrated; Let's not forget what the story is all about.

We overcame Pharaoh,
We overcame the Greeks,
We overcame the Romans,
We overcame the Inquisition in Spain,
We overcame the Pogroms in Russia,
We overcame Hitler,
We overcame the Germans,
We overcame the Holocaust,
We overcame the armies of the seven Arab countries,
We overcame Saddam.
Take it easy, folks, We will overcome the present enemies too.

Egypt? Anyone know where their empire disappeared to? Greeks? Alexander of Macedonia? The Romans? Does anyone today speak Latin? The Third Reich? Anyone heard any news about it lately?

Don't worry. This is a great time to be a Jew. We are here to stay and we do not need the ravings of a madman to defend us, Bigel.

(Recycled for Bigel's sake)

Bigel, I could tell you a story, too. But would you listen to it? And would it change anything?

Bigel:

maybe you should take your self-importance elsewhere. Millions lost their lives in the death camps and ovens of the Reich, their relatives are now their living and breathing memorials...but not one...and I repeat not one I have met has the insensitivity...the callousness...the absolute sickness of mind...to display such hatred, bigotry and mindless moral bankrupcy to spread the kind of shit you are tonight (or this morning)...

You have displayed that you're a good man. Prove it by using sensitivity, empathy and intelligence to calm your more psychotic urges...tonight/this morning at least.

#53 True German Ally

But would you listen to it?

No, he wouldn't.

I would though. Thanks for posting.

I posted this on another thread. It might be apropo here.

That’s when their obsession began. Put yourself in an Arab’s mind. What did he think then? That the Jews were a mediocre people with no martial traditions, a people that just had almost been completely wiped out in Europe by Christians who were then totally defeated by other Christians. The Jews were the weakest of the weak, the most easily defeated people on earth. But those losers par excellence fought back and won. If the Arabs couldn’t beat militarily 10% of the number of Jews the Germans had so easily exterminated only some years earlier, what did this tell the Arabs about themselves? Nothing particularly pleasant to hear. In short, Israel’s resilience became the living proof of how low Arab power had sunk.

Europundits

TGA, if you choose to tell your story, you will have a respectful audience here.

bigel, of all the things I've thought of you, some good, some bad, I've never considered you a coward. Until I see you ignore TGA's post #45.

bigel, you never answer my questions, how about addressing #45 True German Ally's?

#52 - AG in Houston

That was beautiful...thanks for sharing it.

AG, that's a Mamba Jamba of a post if ever I saw one!

They tried to kill us. We won. Let's eat!

Bigel, I've always sympathized with your anger, but you're overshouting yourself on things you don't know anything about. Yes, Europe sucks. Yes, the Netherlands is thoroughly f***ed up and with a guilty conscience of WWII, but I don't think your conscience is lilly white either. Stop preaching down on random Europeans. Try some humility for once, you self righteous hypocrite.

That said, I again urge everyone to check out the tv report about Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Theo van Gogh's anti-islam film 'Submission', which will be on [Link: www.theovangogh.nl...] in its entirety soon.

Bigel:

Any other night. I know in my heart of hearts you are decent man. Just now when the time is right to be quiet.

I woke up this morning (not after much sleep) and watched the news...I saw terrified children and adults waiting for an end to a siege in a school. I took my kids to their school (as I have to on my days off to give my wife a break) and then returned home...within an hour I was seeing kids covered in blood screaming for their lives...dead bodies, gunfire and helicopter gunships circling a school...as a parent of children that are the age of some of the kids I saw on TV and as a man I cried my eyes out watching it. I did something earlier that many in Breslan can't do tonight...I kissed my kids goodnight as they slept.

If you can't see why this is a bad time to bring out your hackneyed, bigoted rants then I despair...but more than that I pray for you.

This is the last I have to say on THIS subject tonight.

bigel

I must say that you are gracious, to a degree...for your words, even with your "My apologies" will never erase "a number tattoo on my arm "

If turkey is allowed into the Eu it will signal that Europe has no morals and no regard for history whatsoever.

Of course they will, and afterward america can seal the spike wound between the "atlantic alliance" once and for all. I for one am sick of pretending anyone in "old europe" is on our side or even wish us well.

the fact that Yasser arafat condemned the french kidnappings was reason enough for me to know why it is we are so polarized. Of course those dhimmi fucks get released I wish they werent.

true german ally--Im sorry. may your days play out in peace and prosperity. also:safety.

The very short version:

My father (of conservative, catholic leaning) opposed Hitler since 1932. He spent 1933-1937 in Dachau, when he was released very sick. He recovered and took up his clandestine fight (which included procuring faked papers for Jews who wanted to flee Germany). The Nazis didn't find out. In 1944 he was involved with the Stauffenberg coup (not a central actor). He was arrested and we never heard from him again. My whole family was sent to Buchenwald (Sippenhaft). With some incredible luck (and some help) I managed to escape and was hidden by friends in a basement in Dresden, only to live the firebombings. The house was totally destroyed and I was recaptured and sent to Buchenwald again. With some more incredible luck I avoided the "Death March" to Dachau and remained in the camp, to be liberated by American troups in April 1945, half dead.
In 1946 I was called as a witness to Nurenberg. But I insisted to testify that the Soviets had turned Buchenwald into a concentration camp (for their "enemies") again. The Soviets applied considerable pressure, so my deposition was only taken in written.
When I returned to the "Zone" (although I was warned by Americans not to do it), I was arrested by the Soviets, tried for "Antisoviet Propaganda" and "Spying for the USA"), convicted to death, "pardoned" some weeks later to 25 years forced labor in Siberia, sent to the GULag, spent 9 years in Workuta (Arctic Circle), before Adenauer managed to obtain the release of the remaining German POWs and many German inmates of the GULag.

I neither hate the Germans (I am German), nor the Russians. And believe me, I did not chose my name in vain.

I know that we're facing a threat today that compares to the barbary I've witnessed. And we will only win together.

on topic -- Geert Wilders is another one who has woken up! Cheer that, and determine to wake up some more.

True German Ally

No post of mine could ever put the raving Bigel in his place better than what you just did.

You are a righteous person and always welcome in my home.

God bless you.

#71 True German Ally
I'm speechless. Amazing words.

TGA:

I know that we're facing a threat today that compares to the barbary I've witnessed. And we will only win together

...and those last six words in sequence are the key...that so many miss.

#72 bigel

We all make mistakes. Apology accepted.

TGA, I don't know what to say. I'm honored by your presence here and humbled by what you have to say.

Bigel, please don't stay away for long.

We will miss you!

#71--

So many stories people never hear. You have the distinction of suffering both Nazi AND Soviet prison camps. I wonder how many others managed that?

I'm glad you made it out in one piece.

True German Ally, I'm sorry for all that you've been through.

bigel, take good care of yourself.

Only on LGF...

Bigel:

Don't be too hard on yourself. We all have had times like this. You're a good man...you just need to calm it sometimes.

What zulubaby said (#80)

#71 True German Ally

Well that was quite a story for one to live to tell. Wow.

71 True German Ally

You should change your nom de plume to, True World Citizen.

I think I'm gonna go have myself a cry.

Been feeling like it since this morning.

Russian babies really got to me... now to hear from TGA...

What a bittersweet time to be alive.

#75 reaganite

I am very sad and angry today as well. To learn that fleeing children get shot in the back is something the Soviet Communists would not have done.

And I think not even every SS officer would have done it... well a lot would have.

This is not Islamofascism. This is Islamonazism, the total disrespect of the most basic human values.

I don't go so far and blame it on the whole Muslim world. But I think the world MUST ask them: Why do you remain silent? Why do you silently (and often loudly) approve?

It's the same question the Germans had to face after 1945. And no longer does anybody have the cheap excuse of "we didn't know" or "had we only known".

It's live, on TV

72

Good luck to you and you opinion is always welcomed by me.

Personally i think LGF does a good at self policing and see no reason you would be banned.

While harsh at times, considering your background I understand your perspective.

It takes balls to say you were wrong and people should do it more often.

Regards,
radian

Yes, True German Ally, honored by your presence here! God bless you.

Forcing that mother to choose between her children was a lovely trick the Islamic Nazis learned from the German ones.

# 71 TGA

I neither hate the Germans (I am German), nor the Russians. . .

I know that we're facing a threat today that compares to the barbary I've witnessed. And we will only win together.

Truly an inspiration to hear you could survive that without hatred and bitterness. And to comprehend the graver danger we face today. Hatred will not help us win this war, only determination to create a better world free of that vicious hatred we face. May God bless you.

I simply cannot believe how many here are wishing Bigel well.

I hope you get the fuck out of here and never come back with your bullshit, bigel.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Bigel.

Bigel,

Why on earth do you find it necessary to attack and alienate those Europeans who are actually /could actually be your allies? This includes me, by the way.

LGF doesn't get much European visits - as you pointed out earlier.. This has also to do with the fact that 1) it isn't easy to participate on American blogs/websites if English isn't your mother-tongue 2) most of us are asleep while LGF is at its most active.

That doesn't mean I can't understand you. You have every reason to be angry. After the Shoah, you should be. What I will never understand is the love for collectivism over invidual responsibility. I thought you were a republican. And why are you so incredibly pessimistic? I thought the Americans where the "can do" people. I loved that about Reagan.

This isn't the first time I've tried to tell you this. Alas, it will not be the last time either. Some discussions have no end.

That will never change that the fact that I am on your side, nor that I really do appreciate (some of) the points that you are making.

AG,

I know he's vile at times, but personally I don't feel like shitting on one of us today.

#88 True German Ally
You, above all others deserve the answers to you questions. You lived it.

It's live, on TV

That sir, is the statement of the decade.

#71 True German Ally

It takes stories like that to make me realize how incredibly lucky I've been. We so often complain about a few percentage points on some economic indicator, traffic, weather, or other trivial things. Americans should wake up, kiss the ground, and count our blessings every day.

I hope you consider writing all that in a book, with more detail, if you already haven't.

#93 AG in Houston
Hard to disagree with you.

88 ( ein(e) deutsche 88) ha. did I phraise it right, I used to be fluent in german and have forgetten most of the language, i regret losing all that work.

tag,
I agree with you. Islam must stop this or it will drag us into a very bad situation. This act is beyond the pale.

Sadly there are people out there defending it because of russian actions in chechnia.

DU is a vile cesspool of humanity.

Thank you all. I'm glad I was mistaken about the nature of this site.

I normally don't tell my story, I prefer to let my arguments stand for themselves, not to back them up (and overwhelm them) with personal things.

I just felt I had to, right on this day.

Shalom Bigel. May your heart be filled with sweeter things.

True German Ally

I am an American woman 'of a certain age'. For the first time in our memory Americans are beginning to wonder if what you endured is in our future and if we could bear it as you have.

Our imagination fails. I hope our courage will not.

I don't know how those of you who have been utterly helpless in the hands of evil sustain hope.

But, without doubt, we must do it. Please don't go away. Please feel at home here.

bigel: If you learn that even in the face of the utmost evil, there is hope and faith and love, come back. Otherwise, I think it's better for you and for us that you stay away. This is not a site of poison. But I wish you well and I hope you heal.

G-d what a night.

#102 grayp:

G-d what a night.

You said it.

lazytart

If good Muslim people would take a minute and "shit on their own" -- there might be a whole hell of a lot less terrorism today.

Fuck Bigel.

AG:

Bigel and I have have had many pissing contests, many firefights and many inane ramblings but I do not wish him any ill feeling. Believe it or not I can see where he is coming from, I don't agree with it but I do understand. I loathe the way he expresses himself sometimes and I wish Charles would delete his more outrageous comments...but it does not change the fact that I would gladly have a beer with him (for a Brit that's the ulitmate compliment to all the US posters)...because as I've said, in my heart of hearts I know he is a good man.

He needs to learn boundries and if we are any kind of friends surely we should be suggesting them to him (I know I rant at him...but I'm too quick with my mouth as my grandmother would say)...maybe I'm wrong?

This is not a drinking thread, but after what I've seen and read, I do believe I'm going to have an ice cold Vodka, straight up, neat.

Cheers to True German Ally
Cheers to our wonderful country
Cheers to our President
Cheers to our gracious Allies
Cheers to ALL

True German Ally, thank you very much for sharing your story with us. We will never forget.
Please stick around.

L'chaim.

#101 True German Ally

I'm glad I was mistaken about the nature of this site.

I'm glad you're going to stick around. You'll be amazed at the spread of knowledge here.

I don't want bigel to leave. Yes, he's often over the top but a lot of what he says is true. Europe is not our friend, make no mistake. I'll never condone genocide, I'll never condone nuking an entire country or an entire people, but I do not consider Europe a friend. The EU are criticizing Israel for threatening Syria. The EU is not criticizing Syria for sending mass-murderers into Israel to slaughter Jewish women and children. Europe ain't no friend of mine.

102

I think bigel is hot headed and emotional. Everyone should be able to express themselves, with restraint, and back up their arguments.

Tempers are lost when the argument is something you have lived not just read about.

His perspective is valuable. I hope he finds his way back.

AG, bigel is not a terrorist.

Dave Ray, you're a mensch.

Look, I'm not trying to defend the indefensible, but I have always tempered my thoughts about Bigel with my knowledge of his background.

He apologized; he is obviously chastened enough to leave and potentially not come back. Perhaps that is for the best... perhaps I'm wrong to acknowledge his apology and his weaknesses and his inappropriateness. I don't know... I just have always felt that when someone apologizes, sincerely, they deserve to be given a chance to prove whether they meant it or not.

Personally, I think Grayp spoke for most all of us.

Don't mean to offend you or anyone here... truly.

zulubaby, I second that:

Dave Ray, you're a mensch.

#111 Radian

Everyone should be able to express themselves, with restraint, and back up their arguments.

"Restraint" and bigel in the same argument? His hatred is the same as the terrorists. bigel won't even answer questions that contrast his world view. Good riddance if he never comes back.

No Dave Ray.

We Jews are good people.
We Jews have higher standards than Bigel is showing tonite, or any other night on LGF.
We Jews have higher standards.
We Jews have higher morals.

Bigel represents the worst of the Jewish people... just like those in Hebron that worship the dog, Baruch Goldshit.

This is the worst my people have to offer and I will corral them and show them they are no better than the Nazi scum we Jews overcame 60 years ago.

And I will shut them down at every turn.

And I will not condone their words or excuse thier actions because they are Jews.

Fuck Bigel.

Hot damn Reaganite.

I agree.

lazytart (#114)

I don't know... I just have always felt that when someone apologizes, sincerely, they deserve to be given a chance to prove whether they meant it or not.

That is what my parents taught me too.

I hate when a thread goes blue on blue.

AG I understand your point and agree, he was way over the top. He did apologize however.

Hopefully he will take something from this and express himself more reasonably in the future.

My vote is we take a drink and drop the topic. Not to be presumptious but hate for this to get ugly..

Can we please let it go? Please? I'll buy everyone a round.

Come on, guys, please?

zulubaby, remember how you rightly get insulted because people think you, as a Jew should vote as a certain way? You're zulubaby, right, with her own opinions and her own ideas, Jew or not.

Well, the European govt's are not our friend but bigel treated every European like those people treat the Collective of the Jews.

I don't want bigel to go away either if he learns.

#118 AG in Houston
You've been here a long time. You're one of the people I hold in the highest esteem. I not only respect you, I agree with you.

#120 Radian:

My vote is we take a drink and drop the topic.

Works for me.

{{DRINK}}

{{{GROUP HUG}}}

John Kerry is an asswipe.

Radian, I second that too. Let's have a drink and drop the subject. Today was a heartbreaking day and we've all been extremely stressed.

zorky:

I'll buy everyone a round.

Don't worry about me, I'm a cheap date ;-)

Hell, I'm just a bloody echo-chamber tonight. But what lazytart said...

{{{group hug}}}

especially

{{{TGA}}}

Welcome.

grayp, not just the EU, a lot of Europeans, a large percentage, believe that Israel is the greatest threat to world peace. Jewish graves are desecrated, Jews are attacked, vilified, ... you know the story. Read my post again. I wrote:

I'll never condone genocide, I'll never condone nuking an entire country or an entire people, but I do not consider Europe a friend.

cba, lol, well then, I'll buy reaganite and grayp an extra.
;-)

Europe is not a block, a government, an ideology. It's a continent with millions of ideas, experiences, hopes... and errors.

Most false judgements are made out of ignorance. So as long as we are ready to listen and learn, there is hope.

We came a long way. For decades, a war between Germany and France has become impossible. Now the danger of a war between Europe and Russia has become remote.

President Bush has reminded us yesterday of the "hopeless" situation in Germany 1946.

The German poet Hölderin once wrote:

"Wo aber die Gefahr ist wächst das Rettende auch" ("There where the danger is, that which saves also grows")

Well tomorrow is opening day for dove season so I'm off.

red wine (spanish)and dove grilled with bacon and jalapeno peppers, mmm

evening,
guten tag
Laila tov

I don't want this thread to turn in a Bigel-bash-fest.

I didn't know that so many people had taken on Bigel while I was writing my contribution. Let me say this in Bigel’s defense. LGF and Bigel in particular played a role in opening the my eyes. Bigel HAS a point. And he has an important role to play in LGF. I have become active in my own country, and Bigel can take some credit for that. Some of Bigel's family members are my fellow-citizens, including his cousin. I hope will meet each other in battle sometime -- it's a small country over here, and we can still crush anti-Semitism and beat the enemy.

However Bigel (and to some extent LGF in general) could have a much larger impact than it has now. Let's work toward that goal too.

And Bigel, please have an open discussion with me some time.

Take care Bigel. Or even better, come back!

#131 zorkmidden

I'll buy reaganite and grayp an extra.

Promise?

Regardless, any NYC LGFers want to get together during the UN general assembly?

"Bigel:

Any other night. I know in my heart of hearts you are decent man. Just now when the time is right to be quiet.

I woke up this morning (not after much sleep) and watched the news...I saw terrified children and adults waiting for an end to a siege in a school. I took my kids to their school (as I have to on my days off to give my wife a break) and then returned home...within an hour I was seeing kids covered in blood screaming for their lives...dead bodies, gunfire and helicopter gunships circling a school...as a parent of children that are the age of some of the kids I saw on TV and as a man I cried my eyes out watching it. I did something earlier that many in Breslan can't do tonight...I kissed my kids goodnight as they slept.

If you can't see why this is a bad time to bring out your hackneyed, bigoted rants then I despair...but more than that I pray for you.

This is the last I have to say on THIS subject tonight."

AG, this is what I said to Bigel earlier...the same goes for you now...back the fuck down. You've picked the wrong man here.

and as for your...

We Jews are good people.
We Jews have higher standards than Bigel is showing tonite, or any other night on LGF.
We Jews have higher standards.
We Jews have higher morals.

...may I remind you that we Jews are also humans...and if it didn't escape your limited view...humanity took a downturn today! We're all feeling sick and guilty (well, we should)...that's why I picked Bigel up on his self-important bigotry and why I picked you up on your potty mouthed self-righteousness!

Reaganite:

I take it he still hasn't answered your questions? Hope you haven't been holding your breath. :-)

133
pimf

guten nacht

TGA

One of the traditions of this site is that on Friday nights we all get silly and drink together. It's been a tough week and we need it.
Here are the rules to the LGF Drinking Game

It will load slowly, there are almost 600 comments.

Welcome. Time to get shit-faced.

Fuck you Dave Ray.

My self-righteousness stems from the simple fact that I know my standards are higher than those calling for the deaths of a people.

I will never call for the deaths of a people.

I will never call for a country to be destroyed.

Never.

Because looking for the good in people is part of the values that were instilled in me. This is part of being Jewish.

It is because of my 'limited world view' that I know people like Bigel should be whipped and stamped out like the ideology he proposes.

I just wish I could get up in your face, like good ole Zell.

Self fucking righteous. Go have a beer by your fucking self.

I know when I am right.

And it is now.

#139 American Infidel

Bigel has left for the evening...

Even if he were here he still wouldn't answer.

Dave Ray, Sorry, I missed that part of your post.

zorkie, where have you been? I haven't seen you in like ages! Ann and I finally met today. We had lunch in Old Town. She is a true Pittsburgh, down-to earth girl. We had a great time.

Reaganite, what's with the UN? I thought you blew off Las Vegas?

#138 grayp

Too complicated to work out all the reasons. It's early morning here (don't need much sleep), I'll have another glass of Scotch with you all!

And enjoy the sunrise of a warm late summer day

STOP.

Dave Ray

A bunch of god damn pussy ass Jewish no it alls actually trying to lecture me on being a good person.

Double fuck you.

Fuck this place.

reaganite, of course! :-)

L'Chaim, reaganite, zulubaby, grayp, cba, Dave Ray, ok, I'm running out of money for rounds here, folks, can anyone chip in? There's more people on this thread I wanna buy a beer for...

#140 AG in Houston
Go easy sir. Dave Ray has had my back many times while I was bashing bigel.

Holy shit. AG.

AG, relax. This is really getting ugly. Please. bigel is not here, he's left, leave it alone.

True German Ally, I just found a dollar under the couch pillow! I'm buying you a drink.

Ok, people, chip in for a round here!

#146 zorkmidden

I'm running out of money for rounds here, folks, can anyone chip in?

LOL, I normally buy but most LGFers won't let me! But I'll chip in!

Bigel thread in 3...2...1...;)

:(

And John Kerry... the liar... the Thurston Howell who would be President

#146 zorkie

There's more people on this thread I wanna buy a beer for...

I'm in. I've got plastic.

Oh. Wait. Do they sell beer at Nordstrom's?

"My self-righteousness stems from the simple fact that I know my standards are higher than those calling for the deaths of a people.

I will never call for the deaths of a people."

Neither would I but then again I'd never follow up a statement like that with a statement like this...

"It is because of my 'limited world view' that I know people like Bigel should be whipped and stamped out like the ideology he proposes."

...so Bigel should be whipped and stamped out? What's the word I'm looking for??? Hypo...Hypocr...Hipo...Hypicri...oh that's it...TWAT.

Don't get me wrong. I despise Bigel's outpourings, I wish Charles would delete his more absurd commentry...but your attitude earlier sucked. The man apologized.

"I just wish I could get up in your face, like good ole Zell.

Self fucking righteous. Go have a beer by your fucking self."

I'd rather have a beer on my own than share one with someone like you. As for getting in my face? You'd have a long walk...but hey if you you're ever in Britain...fine.

You may know when you're right...but I know when I'm right and when to accept others as being right and shutting the hell up. Take the hint STFU.

71 True German Ally

I actually managed to look over your testimony.

I was to busy with my making my own point. Shame on me. I don't think I will ever forget you story. Shame on me twice if I ever would.

I'm much younger than you, and I hope to fight on with many more of my generation even after you're gone. Let the torch be passed on, but stay with us as long as you can please. We need you.

Take care.

Nordstrom's? Plastic?

I need some mascara... any takers?

#142 grayp
The UN is a normal "scheduled" thing. It was my turn, the guys have been getting screwed too much for me to kick it back.

I thought you blew off Las Vegas?

If I had known it was Vegas when I blew it off I would have shushed!

AI,

I missed it... sadly! Did you know that Rush is supposedly dating that Dagen whatever... honeybritches from CNN?

reaganite, honey, you're buying! grayp, keep the Nordstrom's card, reaganite is buying!

Dave Ray, you know you're one of the people I'd buy a beer for. I'm a little broke here, True German Ally got my last dollar, but I'll borrow from reaganite, he's feeling rich tonight.

TGA--You are inspiring. I think many of us are hurting very badly over the Russian massacre, more so since so many will spin it as having nothing to do with religion.

We needed to hear your story. I for one needed to see your restraint and courtesy in the face of Bigel's misery.

Reaganite, honey, I need some mascara...

Zorki:

Get me a continental lager. I feel lucky!

#163 zorkmidden

reaganite is buying!

You know I'm trying to get my "Greek woman pissed at me" quotient down right? If you aren't pissed that's a 50% down trend!

#165 lazytart

honey, I need some mascara...

Is that Bacardi or Jack Daniel's? I only do booze!

Speaking of Nordstrom's - I AM AN IDIOT!

They have a shoe sale every August and this is the first year in 5 years I've missed it. I completely forgot.

My dotage impends.

Damn.

American Infidel

Ummm...something tells me, you really, really like Zell, am I correct in that "something"?

LOL! Definitely Jack Daniels.

College football starts tomorrow... I'll be in Oxford, MS, with 25 lbs. of Abner's chicken fingers in the grove and my flask stuffed down my husband's pants...

YAY!

I never buy the drinks :(

Anybody in particular need a "Rattle Snake" ? Thats all I've got temper for.

(That sounded bad.)

Dave Ray, anything you want you got it!

;-)

reaganite, this greek woman not only is not mad at you, but... um... hmmm... well... she's not mad at you!

:-P

I will STFU as soon as I leave LGF.

Let me tell you first and foremost Dave Ray, that I would beat you within an inch of your life. And you will know a true Jewish soldier.

I do not take kindly to Jews with opinions who should have no opinions. Especially when it comes to the defense of the Jewish people.

I do not take kindly to Bigel's half witted apology whilst he has been declaring for the destruction of 3/4 of the world for as long as I can remember.

"Whipped and stamped out" Let me reference Zell again. Do you know what a fucking metaphor is?

Bigel's statements are exactly the type that are used by the Irvings of the world to show how truly vile the Jewish people are.

If Bigel had the balls apologize for every time he declared a nuke for all of Europe and the Islamic world and everyone else he didn't like, I might think of accepting it.

If I had the power, I would ex communicate the piece of shit.

What have you done for the Jews Dave Ray? Have you defended the Jewish people? You have accepted Bigel's apology for jumping TGA's bones?

Or do you just sit behind a computer thinking you are a tough guy.

Think about it long and hard before you stand up to me.

But you are in merry ole England.

Too bad you are not in Houston.

What is it with you Yanks and sour mash whiskey?

Jack Daniels is a tad sickly for my liking...any chance of a scotch single malt?

lazytart

College football starts tomorrow... I'll be in Oxford, MS, with 25 lbs. of Abner's chicken fingers in the grove and my flask stuffed down my husband's pants...

Betcha ya can't say that twenty times fast, without it sounding lewd...LOL.

#175 lazytart

(That sounded bad.)

LOL! Not to your husband, I'll bet!

Back On Topic:
I knew a guy named Dutch Miller.

Personally, I like Maker's Mark.

Elcid probably has got money for a round. Elcid, do you?

justdanny, what is a rattlesnake?

Elcid,

I said it once and sounded lewd!;)

#176 zorkmidden

reaganite, this greek woman not only is not mad at you, but... um... hmmm... well... she's not mad at you!

Don't hold back, tell me how you really feel!

Dave Ray, I never liked Jack Daniels. But I'm not crazy about scotch either. A nice Remy Martin (yes, I know it's Fwench, but I can't help myself) is good for me.

Zorky,

LOL!!! You sound exactly like me and my girlfriends when we escape our broods and go out... hmmm... HE looks like he can buy a round... hmmm...

Reaganite:

Regardless, any NYC LGFers want to get together during the UN general assembly?

Sure thing. It would cheer up RealWest to meet you, especially.

I'll contact the leader of the NYC listserv. What days?

I've posted this on another board (Rantburg). That's how I feel about the "deafening silence" of the Islamic World today.

---

The leaders of the Western World should have a joint communiqué, demanding an answer from every Muslim leader, authority and organization to tell us where they stand. No ifs and buts. Just a Yes or No. Silence will be counted as approval of terror.

Those who approve those actions, make lame exuses or stay silent will be treated as enemies. Period.

The free nations will formulate what has to be said... in Arabic and all other languages used in Muslim countries.
And we want statements in all national TV stations and every mosque.

A formal, encompassing condemnation of terror. Nothing added by them, nothing left out.

Time frame: One month.

And after that, anyone who supports states, political or religious leaders/organizations that have not clearly denounced terror, will be treated as a supporter of terror.

We must force them to make a stand. Silence is not an option.

And yes, after that, I'd like the same statements from anyone who counts in the non-Islamic world.

Both sides must show their cards. But let's find out about them first.

reaganite, LOL! I don't want to appear too easy, you know. Last time I did that my reputation was shot and I had to leave LGF for a month. Surely, you remember.

;-)

Who here has ever had a Three Wise Men?

#192 The Bruce

What days?

I don't have orders yet but I am one of the team leaders. No earlier than the 15th though and no later than the 27th.

"I will STFU as soon as I leave LGF.

Let me tell you first and foremost Dave Ray, that I would beat you within an inch of your life. And you will know a true Jewish soldier.

I do not take kindly to Jews with opinions who should have no opinions. Especially when it comes to the defense of the Jewish people.

I do not take kindly to Bigel's half witted apology whilst he has been declaring for the destruction of 3/4 of the world for as long as I can remember.

"Whipped and stamped out" Let me reference Zell again. Do you know what a fucking metaphor is?

Bigel's statements are exactly the type that are used by the Irvings of the world to show how truly vile the Jewish people are.

If Bigel had the balls apologize for every time he declared a nuke for all of Europe and the Islamic world and everyone else he didn't like, I might think of accepting it.

If I had the power, I would ex communicate the piece of shit.

What have you done for the Jews Dave Ray? Have you defended the Jewish people? You have accepted Bigel's apology for jumping TGA's bones?

Or do you just sit behind a computer thinking you are a tough guy.

Think about it long and hard before you stand up to me.

But you are in merry ole England.

Too bad you are not in Houston."

oy, he's a live one nurse...has someone just become bigelized all of a sudden?

Listen you twat, think what you will. As we're all behind computer screens let's not have a "who's the hard man competition"...let's just have a "who isn't sounding like a complete and utter prick competition" eh?

1...2...3...I win. You sound like a complete and utter prick.

#194 zorkie

Last time I did that my reputation was shot and I had to leave LGF for a month.

reaganite, don't fall for that. She was shopping...

zorkmidden

Elcid, do you?

If I say "I DO", that would make me a 'fog'...ok since you speak Sicilian...a 'Biga'mist'

grayp, lol, I wish.. :-(

#194 zorkmidden

Last time I did that my reputation was shot and I had to leave LGF for a month.

Are you accusing me of being PC? Þ

Dave Ray

If not giving the Irvings of the world ammo is being a prick, then so be it.

If not accepting the apologies of a scumbag make a prick, so be it.

No tough guy. Just wishing you were here.

Not to be friendly.

A plague on your house Dave Ray.

Elcid, I'm only asking you to buy everyone a round fer crissakes, I don't wanna marry you! Good grief! Now all you guys are gonna be running away from me in fear?

Drinks! Think drinks, everyone, please!

Reaganite:

I don't have orders yet but I am one of the team leaders. No earlier than the 15th though and no later than the 27th.

OK. Would you prefer a Friday or Sat. night?

I drank a bunch of this one time and jumped from a third floor balcony. I never really have known why.

Good lord.

reaganite, you, PC? I haven't been on LGF that long, but even I know better than that.

I'm drinking melon water, btw. Cheat date that I am. Homemade, honeydew melon water.

AG:

Bigelization is complete.

"If not accepting the apologies of a scumbag make a prick, so be it"

...you're a prick. Accepting an apology makes you a man. Making idle threats over the internet makes you more of a prick.

"a plague on your house"??? What century was that from? Grow up.

I meant I'm a cheap date, not a cheat date. Sheesh...

lazytart, what are you drinking?

Justdanny,

"There is not a particle of dirt or filth to be seen." A paling fence was built around the foundation to keep the hogs from shacking up under the joint in the winter time. Moreover, the drainage was downhill from the cattle feeding pens and troughs, and so cow manures, both hard and soft, did not get into the mash tube."

Well, THERE'S your problem. Clearly, there need to be hard and soft cow manures involved in the interest of preventing folks from jumping off of tall structures upon ingestion.

#204 The Bruce
On these kind of trips, the days of the week are irrelevant. Honestly, I won't know what my free time will be until I go to the meeting.

TGA

The leaders of the Western World

Most leaders of the Western World want to see the U.S. go down in flames. Gerhard ran and won on a ticket defined by anti-Americanism. Forget the current French gov't, the French have hated us forever and we are only now learning to return the favor. I read somewhere that the entire French Gov't went to Friday services in the mosques in Paris. Are you familiar with Bat Ye'or's Eurabia?
Here is a link to one of my favorite articles The Genealogy of anti-Americanism. The author, James Ceaser is a professor of Political Science at the University of Virginia. This is a precis of his book, The Reconstructing of America. He wrote it after visiting Europe for a conference and found views of America among the European academics that were so skewed he thought they had been indulgin in recreational pharmaceuticals.

Currently, I am drinking Maker's with a splash of Diet Coke on ice.

justdanny, :-(

I feel like singing

"Bye bye Miss American Pie
Took my Chevy to the levy
but the levy was dry..."

(Rye whiskey always reminds me of this song. But I've never drunk rye in my life.)

#207 zorkybabe

I'm drinking melon water

You stumped me! What is that?

AG in Houston / Dave Ray

Would you two gentlemen, PLEASE cool it. Geezuz H. Christ, HUH?

Maybe I should accept an apology from Arafat. Hell, he really killed people.

That would make a real big man.

He espouses the same rhetoric and odious ideology.

You obviously do not recognize it.

God, I truly hate people like you Dave Ray.

Think-you-know-everything-cocksuckers who refuse to call a spade exactly what it is, a shovel.

You are definitely part of the problem with my people.

AG, I love you to death but seriously, this is beneath you. Dave Ray is not your enemy and neither is bigel, for that matter. Your anger is misdirected. Go kiss your baby and give him an extra one from me.

justdanny

I actually have a bottle of Old Grand Dad in my pantry, along with the Makers Mark. I even have a bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle (made in Lawrenceburg, it says).

Were you hurt very badly?

No Zulubaby

Bigel is the enemy.

AG:

have you finished making yourself looking stupid or have you further to go?

Are you honestly comparing Bigel to Arafat?

ELCID:

sorry to you and all other LGF'ers, but this idiot's got me pissed.

reaganite, you put slices of honeydew melon in water and let it sit for a few days, and then you add a sprig of spearmint and drink it. Refreshing, but that's about it. It has no alcohol in it so that's probably why you don't know about it.
:-P

lazytart, what is Maker's? Bourbon?

That sounds REALLY yummy.

Yep, it's bourbon. Really tasty bourbon.

Rattlesnake is:

1/2 shot Amaretto Almond Liqueur
1/2 shot Southern Comfort
1/2 shot Triple Sec
1 splash 7-Up
1 shot Sweet and Sour Mix

Also in 1978 I mixed Everclear grain alcohol in a gallon (minus evrclear) of orange juice.

Within two hours the Principal had been savagely struck in the nose and upper lip in one fiersome blow.

(followed by years on the City Bus going to the main library):

#222 Dave Ray
I'll take AG's side long before I will take bigel's. I don't understand why he is slamming you but I do agree with his main point.

Fuck you again Dave Ray

I have never opened up on anyone like I am after you right now. And I have been here for a long fucking time.

If Bigel could, he would push the button. Recognize it, asshole.

If Arafat could, he would.

And on down the line.

There are no apologies.

I would advocate nuking England now if it would just shut you up.

justdanny:

that's 95%!!! thats a kamikaze drinking session.

Ag in Houston

God, I truly hate people like you Dave Ray.

Well, that's going to be your problem. Don't take it out on the rest of us on this site. You post your email and I think Dave Ray posts his. Take it outside.

If you nuke England you'd miss

(I feel like it's Thanksgiving at my in laws' house, and my mother in law and sister in law are screaming and cursing at one another and I'm looking at my father in law and saying things like, "So... what are you drinking?"...

OY.

#223 zorkmidden

It has no alcohol in it so that's probably why you don't know about it.

Now you're calling me an alcoholic? Damn, if I wasn't a drunk, I might take offense! :-Þ

Great point Dave Ray.

I would miss.

Skirt the issue we are arguing.

The issue is that the Bigel types of the world have the same qualities across the board.

Yet, you take an apology from an obvious p.o.s.

Honestly, I question your judgement.

And that is why I am after you. Because your fucking judgement is shit.

reaganite:

believe it or not...and I believe I typed it earlier so do I. I have a problem with the way Bigel expresses himself and and wish that Charles would edit his more stupid comments. However, AG's potty mouth and saying for bigel never to come back is over the top...to the point of...well being bigel-like. Let Bigel say what he wants, let us pick him up on it. There was no need for AG to go in for the kill after Bigel had apologized and left for the night.

#210 lazytart

Waist up soded lawn , waist down cement sidewalk.

#214 zorkmidden

For me it was always Something by Van Halen. Kentucky Bourbons and that chopped up strat blend, blended flawlessly. In 1978.

reaganite, lol!

lazytart, I don't have a father-in-law, but I have a dog. Works equally well during the Thanksgiving holiday.

I really-really wish we would stop fighting! Dammit! There is no frigging reason for it!

American Infidel, LOL.

how old is this baby???

Not very :-) Mamba Jamba, go to sleep! I love you, please, go to sleep.

Shabbat Shalom.

AG:

I meant if you nuke England you miss me...as I'm not in England

AI, very fresh. I admit, I was NOT MYSELF when new baby sleep deprivation set in...

zorkie

but I have a dog.

A dog? I thought you had two?

justdanny, maybe we should bring our guitars out and start singing to these guys here. They'll either quit fighting and start yelling at us to shut up or they'll start singing along. What do you say?

LOL! Yes, there's that.

grayp, I do, but the little one is the back-up, emergency dog so I don't count him as a whole dog. So in reality I have a dog and a half which I round down to one dog.

AG in Houston / Dave Ray

You are BOTH pissed. Do you realize, how much BOTH of you are sounding like, children?

Worse yet, I'll get you BOTH pissed at ME, do you realize how much you BOTH are making this thread sound like DU'land?

#235 Dave Ray
You have had my back as many times as AG. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. OTOH, I wouldn't think twice if bigel never came back. I wouldn't mind at all. I prefer my friends not to be as insane as my enemies.

242: Zorkmidden

I tell you what...you hum it and I'll sing it.

#220 J.D.

No I was'nt injured at all. And soon after I was with some crazy guy and we flipped his honda civic three times
, on that steep curve at the start of Walnut Hill - Chilesburg Road. Was'nt injured then either.

#212 grayp

I'm less than impressed with many European leaders (including Schröder), but until we can vote him down in 2006, we have to make the best of the situation.

I have bookmarked your link.

Bat Yeor makes for interesting discussions. I would not agree with everything she says but the meetings and papers of the 70s and 80s she describes did happen.

I would agree with her characterization of many members of the intellectual European "elite" that has tried to suck up to the Islamic World, praising its cultural importance for Europe and neglecting its intolerance and current lack of cultural and economical impact (oil excepted). I will gladly admit that I admire the Islamic architecture of the Middle Ages, but I cannot transfer this admiration into present times. There is a lot more to be said on this but I will leave it at that for today.

What she says about Muslim immigration in Europe is debatable though. Also the intellectual impact has been limited.

But the rise of Antisemitism certainly has to do with those initiatives. In the 70s the extreme (and not so extreme ) Left took up the "Palestinian cause", and this blended into a new form of Antisemitism closely associated with the State of Israel. The Palestinians have turned from leftist terror to islamic terror, but the European (and I dare say American) Far Left still romanticises Palestinian terror as "guerrilla" or "freedom fight" and there is a very unhealthy meeting of extreme left and extreme "right" (read Neonazi) antisemitism.

There is "apologist" mainstream Antisemitism as well in Germany. The current Israeli "crimes" (please note the "") are volontarily equated with the barbary of the Nazi regime, in the sense of: OK, these were bad times but others are not much better and now even the Jews do it.

It's hard to educate the extremists. But the "apologists" must be confronted. These are most of the time "normal" citizen.

Justdanny,

My god. You sound for all the world like my husband.

Dave Ray, LOL!!! It's a deal :-)

People, I'm warning you! We'll be starting singing "Kumbaya" in 30 seconds if the fighting doesn't stop! You've all been warned.

#243 AI

There is something else as well...If that baby is young enough, and the child birth was natural...(hint hint hint)

You really need to back off and acquire some manners.

Elcid:

that was such a low blow, it barely registered on my shin...I'll shut up and go.

Reaganite:

good point, but on the other hand no matter how insane a friend is and how much he pisses you off...you made the effort to call him a friend.

Night. Even though it's 5.45am here.

Grayp, I think we're all just trying to figure out what is going on. It was meant to be funny. I'm sure no offense was intended.

Sheesh.

I'm about to call it a night.

zorkmidden

Elcid, I'm only asking you to buy everyone a round fer crissakes, I don't wanna marry you! Good grief!

That's the nicest thing you've said to me, since I've had the pleasure of knowing you...;). Thank you.

Thank you Reaganite.

I have been over the top.

I just wonder sometimes... we do have a fantastic friend here on LGF in evariste.

He happens to be an Arab of Jordanian blood line.

I wonder how he feels when some stupid fucks on this board talk about nuking the Arab world and killing and death and destruction. What would happen to evariste's family? Whether he agrees with their politics or not.

Dave Ray, your assumption of Bigel's apology as worth the 'paper it's written on' is naive at best.

And it is in defense of our friends, Euros, Arab, et al that I attack Bigel and you with such ferocity.

#242 zorkmidden

Great idea. Let me hit the john right fast and I'll fire up the squier stagemaster hsh reverse headstock white on white floyd rose locking tuned down to d 30 watts on gain9 vol4 thru sony XPA earphones.

Goodnight, AI.

Damn, TGA #71! I have no words.

Glad you survived, and are with us now.

You know what most of us forget - how lucky we are.

#258 AG
Today was a really bad day. I understand your anger, maybe more than you do. I had to once give two dead sons back to their father. Do what I'm going to do. Go to bed and try not to have bad dreams about today. I still have your back.

Elcid, LOL!

Oy, what a day... And what a night...

There's 200 people dead in Ossetia tonight. Most of them kids I believe. There are parents whose world ended tonight. And here we are, on LGF, fighting each other. When we know what's out there. We all know this. I'm not going to hold grudges tonight, I don't think any of us will. We'll wake up tomorrow and the photos we saw today will have crystalized and we'll remember again what LGF is all about.

Dave Ray, sleep well.

True German Ally
I have posted my email. We have much to talk about. I will tell you that my husband by virtue of his profession, knows many members of Congress and I have, through his contacts, been able to speak to them personally. I don't want to abuse Charles' bandwidth but you are welcome to contact me.

Also, I would adivse you to watch for a poster here that uses the name DP111. He doesn't show up often, but when he does, he is priceless. And some of us suspect who he really is.

Zorkmidden,

Well said.

#265 grayp
Who do some of us suspect he might be, if you're at liberty to say?
:-)

Sleep well everyone. My brother is in town after evacuating Fl. I finally get to meet my nephew!

Foreign insurgency time calls.

Night all.

:P

Zorkmidden,

INDEED.

J.D.

if you're at liberty to say?

I'm not. I was stunned. Got it once today at lunch and again via another poster via email.

Don't make a big deal out of it. I don't mean to make a Deepthroat thing out of it. Doesn't matter if you would recognize the name or not. DP111's posts are excellent, and after all, we could all be wrong.

zorkmidden

Elcid, LOL!

Oy, what a day... And what a night...

There's 200 people dead in Ossetia tonight. Most of them kids I believe. There are parents whose world ended tonight. And here we are, on LGF, fighting each other. When we know what's out there. We all know this. I'm not going to hold grudges tonight, I don't think any of us will. We'll wake up tomorrow and the photos we saw today will have crystalized and we'll remember again what LGF is all about.

Ain't that the damn truth.

You left out the others slaughtered this week or so though, and here we have a 'pissing contest'...I can see and understand a man of principle, in this case TWO...but it pales with what went on.

Both of these people are outstanding gentlemen, but come on, huh?

Grayp

So who is DP111

lazytart, these pictures are going to haunt me. The one photo of the mother, dressed in black, touching her dead child made me break down and cry. I don't know how I'll sleep tonight. We really didn't need this argument here. We really didn't.

Zorkmidden,

I know. I just watched the entire slideshow on the photowire.

Those were the most horrifying pictures I may have ever seen. The parents were weeping over their children's bodies... all so thin, pale, bloody... the women pulling up sheets to see if it was THEIR child...

I just cannot fathom the horror. I am literally crying now... how in the world anyone in the media can refer to those animals as militants, I'll never, ever know.

There was one picture of a man running, carrying a child who couldn't be more than four years old... his underpants dirtied, bloody.. his hair matted... it looked EXACTLY like the photo from the Oklahoma City bombing of the firefighter carring little Brie from the bombed out day care center... EXACTLY.

All I know is that I am beginning to understand for the first time in my life why many old people crave to die and go on to heaven and leave this place full of heartache and pain and sin and evil. I haven't been to church in almost two years, but I know what the Bible says is true, because it talks about this. It talks about what man's sinfulness will bring to this earth, and it's absolutely horrifying.

I don't know what to do but cry.

The picture of the police man carrying the baby does me in every time.

lazytart

"EXACTLY like the photo from the Oklahoma City bombing of the firefighter carring little Brie from the bombed out day care center... "

We had the same thought. I saw that photo and the same thought crossed my mind too.

:-(

zulubaby, just seeing all these little kids covered in blood... I can't even express how I feel. I have no kids, I can only imagine the parents' agony. Actually I'm sure I can't even imagine it.

:-(

zorky, I don't even know what to say about it anymore. I was just on the phone with my friend, bawling my eyes out again. It's one of the worst things I've ever seen, and that there were women involved! How? I don't understand and I don't want to understand.

Sigh.

I must bid you all adieu... early morning tomorrow readying my chicken fingers and flask for my husband's pants. My son has strep, and he's absolutely DETERMINED to go to the football game; I have no doubt he'll be fine until kickoff, when his coughing and hacking will start.

But you know what? He's asleep in my bed right now, curled up in his Old Navy boxers and Scooby tshirt and he's HERE. He is HERE WITH ME.

Thank you, GWB.

Thank you, United States Military.

Thank you, GOD.

Goodnight, dear ones.

Gaskets blowing everywhere.

Nuke England? For a blog that is supposedly from the non-radical right, thats just stupid. If someone stated that in a bad argument, I could understand it; heat of the moment. But to take time to type it out, consider it and hit "post this comment" means that on this night, that man is a jackass.

Jameson Gold Irish Whiskey. One highball glass. One pure clear icecube.

Peace liquified.

Night lazytart.

#280 lazytart

My son has strep,

He has strep?!
HOney you ain't goin anywhere. I've had a kid sick with strep and that is one ugly illness. Actually, I had strep myself, twice, and I wanted to be dead.

I just realized it's 1:30 in the morning. Bedtime. reaganite, check your mail

Damn, now I'M wondering about DP111.

I have, in fact, noticed that his posts are typically excellent. Never thought he might be anyone I might've heard of, though.

So ... who want's to fight?

I say Old Weller is fantastic bourbon, and I'll put it up against Maker's Mark, Knob Creek, Jack Daniels, or any other pansy-ass whisky you care to offer.

The gauntlet is cast!

'Night, lazytart.

zulubaby I've been so stressed about this since yesterday, I knew it wasn't going to have a good ending, I've crashed now. I feel depressed and lethargic and life doesn't make much sense anymore.

"Endure, my heart; yea, a baser thing thou once didst bear"

(Homer, Odyssey)

True German Ally, that was beautiful, thank you. I should read the Odyssey in English, for the joy of it, but I've just read the Greek.

Grayp,

I know! The child had NO symptoms besides a low grade fever... when I had it, my head was exploding and I threw up constantly.

He's been on antibiotic since Thursday, though, so all that's left is his blasted sinus infection.

Well definitely have to see in the AM, though. I hate for him to miss it.. he's had a crappy week.

To our new poster, TGA, you are an inspiration. Please don't think us silly.. well, we ARE silly.. but we're mainly trying to distract two of our most beloved posters from fighting one another. Your posts have been fascinating, inspiring, wonderful. I'm glad you're here.

Zorkmidden, I know. Things like this stay with us... they SHOULD stay with us. They are burned into our souls for a REASON.

God be with the babies, the parents, the soldiers, the leaders, the Russians.

And God damn the terrorists.

Night, y'all.

Isn't ancient Greek considerably different than modern Greek?

Like, way-worse-than-trying-to-read-Chaucer different?