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BBC: Saddam Almost Got Nuke from A. Q. Khan

Sat, Sep 4, 2004 at 6:20:54 pm PDT

A new BBC miniseries has a bombshell revelation, in every sense of the term: shortly before the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein came “within a whisker” of purchasing a complete, off-the-shelf nuclear device from Abdul Qadeer Khan’s Islamic nuclear black market. This ought to be huge news. But it isn’t. It’s a tiny blip in a BBC show mostly about Libya.

There’s no transcript online, but you can listen to the audio here: Dirty Wars. (Hat tip: tictoc.)

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1 lxj  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:22:59pm

What? Nothing to see here, no story, move along. Please visit Big-Ben!


/LLL

2 ftm  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:25:57pm

I need some help here. does anyone have any links to or information about french photo journalists who shoot pictures while terrorists shoot weapons.

3 TAS  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:28:38pm

C-SPAN is currently airing the most apprehensive explanation of the war on terror ever seen ...

"The Military in the 21st Century"

presented by Thomas Barnett

4 Kevin P.  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:33:51pm

Bush lied....

HUH?!

LLL mode off now/

Oh $hit! Hope the LLL'ers don't find out about this!

I could have some real fun trolling with this bit of info,. And from the BBC no less! LMFAO!

5 ördög Johnson  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:35:26pm

#3 TAS

apprehensive = comprehensive?

6 TAS  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:39:19pm

Isn't that a song ...

"I say apprehensive, I mean comprehensive"

"Let's call the whole thing off"

/end idiocy

7 noshariaincanada  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:41:01pm

Holy Shit !

8 csva  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:42:20pm

mass graves?
WMD?
torture?
terrorism?
None of this has been proven in the EU court!
How dare those infidels defile saddams good name and standing in the dictator community.

9 rorschach  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:43:49pm

If they were available "off-the-shelf" fourteen or fifteen years ago, how many must have been sold in the years hence?

10 Bruce  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:44:05pm

It doesn't count if it was gonna be smaller than a megaton. Then it would only count as a Weapon of Medium Destruction. There no news.

Really.

I swear those are the rules.

I sear. I mean swear.

11 Skippy  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:44:11pm

Oh, c'mon do I really need to post the predictable old LLL response to this that that was then and this is now and Saddam was no longer a threat and the U.N. hadn't found anything...and blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda...snooze....

12 Bleeding heart conservative  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:44:18pm

Libspin: "Who cares? Bush didn't know about THAT!"

13 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:48:33pm

Y'all, these devils are going to get their hands on a nuke or so sooner or later. Just like the Communists did, with a little help (as per usual) from their Lefty friends. We can make it real hard for them but I'm sure it will only delay the day.

Then what? Seriously--if we assume that they get a nuke, do you think the retards will get enough out of the way to let us really flatten them? I think we'll have to take off the gloves, burn them, and throw them away.

14 Michael Moore's Dromedary  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:51:00pm

nothing to see here....


WHOOOOOSH


(shroom cloud)

15 Final Historian  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:53:05pm

This has almost met the requirements for Wretchard's Second Conjecture...

16 mr. beamish  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:56:28pm

Oh, well hmmmf! Everybody knows Saddam Hussein was seeking WMD until 1998, when Clinton bombed Iraq until Saddam started paying out oil vouchers to communist 527 groups that support Democrats and organize anti-war demostrations.

17 Beagle  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 4:58:59pm

But Bush lied! Saddam never had any weapons of mass destruction, programs, or the intense desire to acquire them.

/Democrats trying not to abandon the sinking Swift Boat

18 mr. beamish  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:01:11pm

oh, did I spill the next big thing?


If Kerry does not back Bush's call for the 527s to stop, the 527s are going to come under scrutiny. Much of this work has been done already. Kerry's 527's got skeletons in the mass graves closet.

19 Throbert McGee  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:04:22pm

I love this bit:

He also investigates what is being dubbed "the Nuclear Wal-Mart" -a secret supply network that streches from Asia to the Middle East and Europe.

Dubbed by whom? Perhaps by BBC hacks who wanted to underscore for their right-thinking readers on both sides of the Atlantic that the secret supply network is a bad thing? If this sentence were a TV studio, "Wal-Mart" would be the big sign flashing BOOS & HISSES to the audience.

OT: Once again I want to recommend the fabulous Baghdad Girl to LGFers -- especially to LGFers who have (a) digital cameras and (b) photogenic cats willing to pose. The site is run by a 13-year-old Iraqi girl who is determined to tell the world the shocking truth about PRETTY KITTYCATS who dress up as math teachers or tea-drinking debutantes, and it's beyond charming.

20 Beagle  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:07:41pm

#18 mr. beamish

I'm already there. When I saw the list at MEMRI, wheels began turning in my head also. But the whole oil-for-food scandal is polticially inconvenient now. When the whole world is corrupt there aren't many options. When I floated the theory on LLL's were I used to post I had to leave. Some things are sacred, you know. Puke.

I, for one, welcome our new giant insectoid overlords.

21 kathyn  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:19:31pm

Be sure to read Gordon Prather's blather over at Worldnet Daily. He wants us to vote for Kerry because Bush was wrong about Iraq and he's also wrong about Iran and how this supposed nuclear stuff in Iran is really nothing at all, just more war-mongering by the neo-cons, doncha know?

There are no end to useful idiots these days. But the stakes are too high now just to write off their ignorance. I keep wondering, what's it gonna take for these numnuts to get it.

22 tictoc  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:22:49pm

Thank you Charles for the hat tip and I would like to share it with fellow LGFer DP111, who independently came up with a link to a summary of the program on the BBC website (for those unable to listen to the audio).

Earlier in the program, a journalist tells how in the year 2000, he visited an international arms technology trade fair, at which the Pakistanis had a booth with glossy brochures showing the whole kit and caboodle -- the "one-stop shopping nuclear weapons package" -- that they were offering to anyone interested. He walked up and they gave him a brochure together with an appendix of technical specifications.

I repeat, this was in 2000 and there was nothing clandestine about it.

23 RightIsRight  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:28:58pm

TAS,

Thanks for the heads up.

Very interesting show, so far.

24 peace be upon me  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 5:59:47pm

Death to America!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Could someone take the opposing position?

25 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 6:28:26pm

I wonder what the going rate is for a garden variety nuke on the black market? SoDamn Hinsane surely had enough money for a shipping container full of them with the 10 Billion dollars he raked in through the U.N. 'Food for Oil' scam.

26 Steve  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 6:44:26pm

Welcome to Iran the worlds largest glass factory and parking lot.

imaging a mushroom cloud here.

27 lizard#9  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 8:18:46pm

#3

Wow that guy said some stuff that made a lot of sense.
I think he wrote that book called "The Pentagon's New Map." I wish him luck trying to make all those ideas work. In the Q&A he said that the Muslims' main stumbling block is their view and treatment of women. He also said that we are in a race to integrate the middle east globally before we switch to a hydrogen economy and the petrodollars begin decreasing. The best articulated plan to winning the GWOT yet.

As to Saddam's nukes, I seem to recall Bush saying Saddam was actively persuing WMD. This Khan-Saddam connection would just be another log on the fire supporting Bush's assertions.

Also, don't forget, Saddam had no connections to Al-Qaeda at all.
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

Just scroll down to the bottom.

28 andrew2  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 10:20:52pm

So what? "Bush Lied and People Died".

In reality, Bush saw and Islamists were in shock and awe.

Moonbattery /

29 piglet  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 10:35:10pm
Amazon.com
When Nick Ut photographed 9-year-old Kim Phuc running down a road, her body aflame with napalm, he turned a terrified girl into a living symbol of the Vietnam War's horror. Even after the war, the North Vietnamese government made the severely scarred Kim a reluctant poster girl for American atrocities. Although her parents, once relatively prosperous South Vietnamese peasants, were reduced to dire poverty when the state took over her mother's noodle shop, Kim was allowed to receive further medical treatment in Germany, to visit the Soviet Union, and to attend the University of Havana. These privileges did not assuage her spiritual turmoil: Why had she been singled out for fame when so many others suffered and died? Searching for answers, Kim converted to Christianity and in 1992 defected with her husband to Canada, where they now live with their two sons. Canadian author Denise Chong's sensitive biography, which doubles as a fascinating social history of Vietnam during and after the war, captures Kim as a complex woman of powerful religious faith: "It was the fire of bombs that burned my body. It was the skill of doctors that mended my skin. But it took the power of God's love to heal my heart."
30 jagan  Sat, Sep 4, 2004 11:01:15pm

Pakistan has to be defanged. Period.
Hope the floggy bottom ever comes to realise this.

One danger - Saddam gone, but the chinese made Paki nukes are still there- in one of the world's most volatile, Islamist festated nations - Pakistan.

Give Peace a Chance, Break Pakistan into Paki Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and Paktoonistan. That is the solution. Long lasting guaranteed.

31 mr. beamish  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 3:25:11am

#20 Beagle

We must raise the issue ourselves, always.

32 Sarah D.  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 4:02:10am

The Washington Post does it again.

Ever since the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the Bush administration has searched for explanations for how to defend the war, such as the need to bring freedom to the Middle East and to end the brutal nature of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's government. With Bush's convention speech, the administration laid out its most sweeping case to date -- and campaign officials are betting voters will buy this retooled version of the need to go to war.
Rand Beers, the Kerry campaign's national security coordinator, said, "It is part of the big lie, or the big misrepresentation, to make the connection, because if it is perceived there is a connection, it takes away from the failure to find weapons of mass destruction."
33 dcbatlle  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 5:16:24am

It's best you don't go out of your way to draw attention to this documentary. As soon as your average Lefty finds out you think this documentary is important, he'll go out of his way to avoid watching it, and will slander it as propaganda.

34 WacoWacko  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 5:59:22am

#24:

Thanks for that link. . . . . scarey stuff. I think we need to move Iran to the top of the glass coated parking lot list, and the sooner the better. After reelection, I hope W puts them in the crosshairs. At this point, I think the theocracies are far more of a short-term threat than the NoKo's in the WOT.

35 Curt  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 6:01:16am

#29 to follow on to piglet's post

Amazon.com
When Nick Ut photographed 9-year-old Kim Phuc running down a road, her body aflame with napalm, he turned a terrified girl into a living symbol of the Vietnam War's horror.

If you can ever find the actual, uncropped picture of Kim running down the dirt road, you will see off ot her left, three photographers walking behind her and taking picture. Do the math: one horribly burned child, four clicking away with visions of Pulitzers dancing in their heads media types. In their economy, human misery is the currency of their fame.

In my little consrvative pea-brain, full of conspiracy and eveil thoughts, according to the MSM, I ask a simple (for us, but not for them) question: WHY DIDN'T ANYONE DROP THEIR CAMERAS AND START FIRST AID?

Saddly, we know the answer...so, does the MSM secretly welcome the "bad guys" getting nukes, so they have more "photo ops" in the future? Saddly, I think we know the answer to that one, also.

36 MadfishWillie  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 6:46:48am

#35 Curt

Those assholes are like the photographers in the 'When Animals Attack' videos that just stand there filming while their buddies get mauled and eaten by grizzly bears and mountain lions... they don't even have the decency to yell "run awaaay"

37 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 10:46:33am

Pakistan is still blocking the United Nations from investigating AQ Khan:

Pakistan's foreign minister insisted Monday his country was cooperating with a United Nations probe into Iran's suspect nuclear program, but ruled out allowing inspectors into Pakistan as part of the crucial investigation. "Of course we will cooperate and are cooperating," he told a press conference. "But as far as inspections of Pakistan are concerned, that is out of the question. We are not a signatory of the NPT (nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty)."

Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have found traces of highly-enriched uranium inside Iran, leading to suspicions Iran has been trying to produce nuclear bombs and not just atomic energy as it insists. But Tehran maintains the traces found their way into the country on equipment bought on an international black market operated by Pakistan's disgraced former nuclear chief, Abdul Qadeer Khan. ... Kasuri refused to elaborate on how Pakistan would help the IAEA in this regard, preferring only to offer a fresh run-down on how important the nuclear deterrent was to his country's national security.

AFP, Aug 10, 2004

Half a year ago:

"We will share all this information with the IAEA," [Pakistani Foreign Minister Mian Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri] said. "The IAEA is not an investigative body. The IAEA has a certain role, and we will do all we can to support the IAEA in that role. Any information that we have got which bears on Iran or Libya or terror, we will cooperate fully."

AFP, Feb 10, 2004

So where is Pakistans cooperation regarding Iran?

38 DP111  Sun, Sep 5, 2004 12:44:26pm

22 tictoc

It is the graciousness of so many LGFers, such as you, that distinguish this blog from many others. Thank you.
--------------------------
Are you concerned at the rush of events of the past week? Last week was without doubt one of the worst. From dozens dead in Israel, ditto in Iraq, the continuing persecution/murder of non-muslims in Indonesia, Kashmir, Iraq. The massacre of children in Russia and the blowing up of two airlplanes.

All this and probably more, so much so, that it is getting difficult to keep up with the messages of peace from the RoP. I hope that this is not a curtain raiser for the remembrance week for 9/11. If so, I wonder what the Islamonazi Jihadis have in store for us this week.


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