Dan ? Can your hear us ? Daaan ?

Roger L. Simon recently compared Dan Rather to OJ Simpson. Interestingly, I have been thinking of the same comparison.

Prelude: When I typed the forged memo on my Word 2000 the default settings did not match. I bought my copy of Office in Israel. Default page size is set to 210 X 297 mm. When I changed it to 8.5 X 11 in. It worked out.

THE DAN RATHER FORGERY TRIAL
Dan Rather is being tried for producing forged documents for sixty minutes. Expert witness Charles Johnson explains how the documents can be reproduced using default settings on Word 2004. Defense attorney insists that Mr. Johnson demonstrate this with a new computer and newly installed Office 2004. “If the document doesn’t fit, the jury must acquit,” he explains. Mr. Johnson types the document in court and, gasp, it doesn’t fit. (Apparently, defense brought a copy of Word purchased in Europe).
Dan Rather is acquitted. Facing reporters he proclaims, I will still be searching for the REAL typewriter that produced those ’72-’73 memos.

Excellent!

Thank you, Charles

+Photi

OT: Charles, to the (longstanding!!!) request for LGF onesies, may I add one for LGF pajamas for adults?

All-cotton flannel perhaps?

:-)

IslamOnline: Hugging opposite sex is forbidden

Allah has set certain clear boundaries and limits for interaction between males and females. These include prohibition of all sorts of indiscriminate mingling and mixing between them, including hugging, kissing, touching, and flirting, etc. These things are forbidden not because everyone engaging in them will be committing adultery, but because they can all become leads, means, and preliminaries of fornication. Once allowed, they can become a slippery slope. How many have become victims of such activities?

On the other hand, even if hugging is considered a sin, drinking camel urine is good and healthy, according to Muhammed:

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 797:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

A group of people from 'Ukl (or 'Uraina) tribe ---but I think he said that they were from 'Ukl came to Medina and (they became ill, so) the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) she-camels and told them to go out and drink the camels' urine and milk (as a medicine).

I know we've had roughly 40 stories on this subject in the last few days... but I'm still not sure we've paid enough attention to a few small pieces of paper which are about to become the basis for a week of attacks that will get John Kerry absolutely nowhere.

#7 N.K.

You mean that Dan Rather drinks that ? Or that he should ?

drink the camels' urine and milk (as a medicine)

#6 norwegian kafir
You certainly mean hugging Muslim women. According to some figures in Scandinavian countries, to touch (to say the least) kufr women is not.

If you believe that the link I gave to drinking camel urine isn't relevant for Muslims today, think again:

[Link: www.media-watch.org...]

Q:Please tell us about your stay with Qazi Hussain Ahmed

He had the habit of drinking camel urine and camel milk early in the morning. He replied that it is Islamic practice that is supported by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded. But Qazi explained to me that it is true. He told me three or four Hadiths in which the camel urine and camel milk drinking is suggested. So Qazi wanted to drink the camel urine and camel milk along with the Sheik.

Don't forget this link, which was handed to me by an anonymous, but fair and balanced individual.

I don't know what it means, but I was assured it upholds the same rigorous standards of authentication that CBS News uses. I'm sure there's some sort of story in there.

;)

How about linking the rest of the "other" memos popping up in this thread?

That's a lot of blogging for a guy in his Dr. Denton's. ;-)

Wow, not even a week since the 60 Minutes episode.

I am wondering how this will end. Will the forgers come clean, or will the topic largely be ignored (by the MSM)? It's looking more like the former, still, who knows?

Maybe this is the Trojan Lizard which starts the fall of the MSM?

Given the MSM's continued indifference to the Iraqi Holocaust, I doubt they'll pay undue attention to a minor thing like political forgeries.

For the 40 threads listed (including this one) over 7,627 comments have been made.

And Charles calls us verbose? ;-)

"The Lion King" used to teach 9/11. Bush equated to "Uncle Scar". Middle school students taught that their civil rights are being taken away from them.

Just another day in San Francisco...

Finally!!

I'm sorry, but didn't Danny Boy tell us last week that CBS got these documents from an "unimpeachable source"?

Because what I'm reading now is that they are saying:

"We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer. "There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

Yes...I believe that was in the CNN interview that Danny said that wasn't it? But now I can't find that interview on the CNN site.

So I'm confused...

Yeah, Charles!...our HERO!!

Don't smoke hash in Saudi Arabia, kids
Remember, beheading is non-Islamic. That Muslims do it over and over is just your imagination. Sleep, dhimmi, sleep.

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Photios! Good to see you!

Israeli rocket attack targets militant leader
JERUSALEM (AP) — An Israeli helicopter fired a missile at a car in the West Bank town of Jenin today, killing three people, including a resistance leader, Palestinian security officials said.

The main target appeared to be Mahmoud Abu Halifa, a leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, an armed resistance group linked to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement...

I cannot find in search the post bt someone who is a family friend of Mary Mapes.Looks like she was the one to first receive the docs.

One thing that would be nice. . . .

a comprehensive list of the contacts, e-mails, and addresses of all the 60 minute advertisers -- so we can discuss with them possible economic consequences of sponsoring fraudulent news programs.

Anybody have a list lie that?

60 Minutes advertisers.

What is the status of "the 200 missing" Russians?

ROTFL!
Ra^thergate.com

Here's the e-mail I've sent to the CBS News Division, and to 60 Minutes II:

Subject: Specious news reporting by Dan Rather re: Killian memo

To Whom It May Concern:

To stand behind your story predicated on the obviously forged Killian documents is the absolute nadir of journalism. Dan Rather should either be dismissed or "allowed to retire" for his unrepentant attitude in defending this indefensible garbage.

Once, CBS News was something special, a ne plus ultra news messenger; obviously, those days are gone. Now, the news division is clearly biased and probably in bed with the DNC. I hope you enjoy your freefall into eventual oblivion, because the viewing public is not stupid, contrary to your beliefs, and will not tolerate such blatant lies.

I will never have anything to do with CBS or its sponsors ever again.

Sincerely,
Joel D. Terry

So there!

Joel T.

OT But there is a Presidential Election coming soon.

Monday, Sept. 13, 2004 11:06 a.m. EDT
Kerry: I'll 'Take on the Terrorists' With Gun Control

Presidential candidate John Kerry promised over the weekend that he would "take on the terrorists" who attacked the U.S. on 9/11 by forcing them to obey America's gun control laws.

Kerry said laws like the Assault Weapons Ban, which expires today, were valuable "not just to fight ordinary crime but to take on terrorists."

NewsMax

#28 Time Magazine isn't giving an official count, but claiming that the death toll could be as high as 500. Stan at Logic and Sanity doesn't have an updated figure either.

As far as I am concerned CBS News is one massive illegal soft money contribution to the Kerry Campaign. Where is the FEC on this outrageous violation of campaign laws?

OT -- The Immigration Timebomb

According to Center for Immigration Studies the foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Don't you think we need to work on assimilating these people before we take in any more? Rather than assimilating people we have turned to multiculturalism, and this can end our values and culture. Frontpagemag.com has covered the dangers of multiculturalism:

How Multiculturalism Took Over America

"Anti-Racism": the Mailed Fist of Multiculturalism

Hey, let's not forget who has ultimate custody of these 'secret Kerry military files" -- Donald Rumsfeld.

The Clinton WH made it clear that -IT- would retrieve and release personal DoD files on people who displeased it, to 'discredit' them (and then send a 'letter of reprimand' to the Pentagon flack who did the WH's bidding).

So the Kerry campaign must realize that Rove WILL find a way to access those records, and then leak out items of use to his efforts.

The only way to immunize the news media against promoting such disclosures is to discredit them in advance, by raising the spectre of 'fraud' and 'forgery' and creating enough smoke that Kerry records, even if authentic, can do no damage to the opinions of the Kerry voters.

And how do you innoculate the public with skepticism that 'leaked' Kerry military documents MIGHT WELL be forgeries?

You leak some forged Bush-related military documents of your own, through some patsy newsman like Rather, whose public humiliation [when caught -- the gambit requires the hoax to fail] will stand as a stark warning to any other newsmen who later, somehow, get highly-damaging Kerry-related documents [that are actually authentic].

They will be afraid to use them. Kerry's coverup remains intact.

I think there should also be post containing direct links to MSM articles about the scandal.

C00L! One-stop shopping! Thanks, Charles! For everything!

OT - but an AWESOME MOMENT FOR the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms, known as the 2nd Amendment !!!

Today, the idiotic and leftist anti-gun; anti-individual-freedom leftists are wallowing in their own sobbing tears...because today...

YOUR RIGHTS, AMERICANS have been given back to you( even if only just a little bit)...

The "Assault Weapons" bad ENDS TODAY.

" Fear the government that fears Your Guns"

John Kerry, you and your kind can NEVER, EVER have my firearms.

owl

What the heck happened to my Oprah link?

Oh my gosh.

I just called home in a vain attempt to get my dad to go next door (where Mary Mapes lives) and try to convince her that at this point she needs to think of herself, and quit CBS and start talking. She is going to go down with the Dan Rather ship--she HAS to know he is permanently radioactive at this point.

She's a good family friend and i'd like to help her out and salvage her career.

But alas, nobody was home.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

OT - BBC Pro-Palestinian Bias On Display Again

The BBC does this piece on those creepy little Pal kids that run around in the middle of gunfights and never even comes close to acknowledging what even the Muslims now acknowledge: Muslims use kids as a weapon of war.

The BBC damn well knows this. Everybody does. But just like CBS in this forgery, they are up to their ass in complicity, if not denial.

Yo, Ed Moran!

What's the deal with Ivan? I wake up this morning & the damn thing now has New Orleans as part of the potential strike-zone. Real glad I'm not part of the crew that has to stay at the hospital if that bad-boy does hit. A direct hit with a Cat-5 means no more New Orleans...

#40 Quark2,

Seems you and I were on the right track on HOW to find out where the documents came from... she's going down with the ship because she's behind this story.

Very OT:

Security breached at Buckingham Palace, again.

Waiting to see the SAS take this one out.

A Fathers 4 Justice campaigner dressed as Batman is staging a protest on the Buckingham Palace balcony...

I was just watching Marvin Kalb being interviewed on MSNBC about his buddie Dans memo story. According to Kalb the memos musts be authentic because they were reviewed by CBS lawyers. Another "journalist" has chosen to drink Rathers Cool-Aid and join him in the 9th circle. Anyone else see the interview?

@43 JoelT

Some one has to be the scapegoat. Apparently Kusty Klown knows that environment and culture very well, as she's very concerned about Mapes.
Mapes won't be the only one to crash and burn.

#31 elcid -- ""take on the terrorists" who attacked the U.S. on 9/11 by forcing them to obey America's gun control laws.

Kerry said laws like the Assault Weapons Ban, which expires today, were valuable "not just to fight ordinary crime but to take on terrorists."

This is standard Democrat fare. The Dems believe that by abrogating the 2nd Amendment and banning the sale and ownership of guns, they are going to make us safe from terrorism. They have been using the excuse of terrorism to introduce bills in Congress and in Statehouses to ban and confiscate more and more weapons. The Dems in NJ are trying to ban and confiscate all shotguns and even single shot civil war muzzleloaders in the name of fighting "terrorism". The Democrats want us individually helpless against terrorism. Meanwhile in NJ, our governer takes homeland defense so unseriously that he appointed his boy toy to head up NJ Homeland Defense and paid him a kings ransom. It didn't matter that the guy had no credentials of any kind or any security clearances. He did have the ability to blackmail the Governor though. Just what terrorists love, comprised public officials. But McGreevey would sign any gun ban bill thrust in front of him, in the interest of homeland defense. The Dems are total frauds on security.

Despite all the Kerry bravado with his stupid shotgun (mostl likely illegally gifted to him under current gun control laws) and his crawling on his belly to hunt deer, he is a resolute gungrabber in the Feinstein/Schumer/Lautenberg sense of the word.

The whole "assault weapons" ban was a fiction created by the Dems to scare people and somehow make them feel safe because certain semi-automatic rifles were banned. It didn't matter that these weapons were not used in crimes then and that the banning of them hasn't reduced crime or that other weapons that didn't look "mean" escaped the ban. The weapons looked "mean" and that was enough to scare the public. After the muslim sniper attacks in the DC/MD area, the Dems tried the same stunt with the "Sniper Rifle" paranoia. Of course, any gun with a scope was an evil "sniper rifle".

what happens if you are totally discredited and you just ignore it?

CBS will morph into a kind of "Air America."

a liberal echo chamber who's market is the DU left.

and that is not without merit as a b-plan, because they are losing share in a declining market anyway...

some pretty powerful people at CBS think its worth it to take this to the mattress...

#38 Owl

From criminal to upstanding American in one day. I feel better. ;) I was grandfathered in anyway. It's only an assault rifle if you assault someone, or if it's a strumgewehr.

OT BRAVE NEW EUROPE

"He said 'I don't like you. You are an enemy of Islam, a racist'."

Multiculturism run amok. Tolerant Islam in Belgium

If the writer wont superscript, you must acquit.

Dan Rather

#47,studsup. I was at a gun show yesterday and you would have thought that someone would have been able to sell me a box cutter with a 30 round magazine and a pistol grip. Alas no luck. Plenty of other good stuff though.

"We can't say that there were any signs (that he would behave in this way)."

No, there usually isn't a warning. But lets continue allowing hugn numbers of Moslems into Europe and America.

Belgium player defends Islam

Amazing:

The F-Prize now stands at $37,900...

#50 andrew2 -- "Multiculturism run amok. Tolerant Islam in Belgium".

At least his club sent him packing over the incident. The guy deserves a permanent Red Card. Of course, knowing our State Department, look for the Islamofanatic to show up here in the USA with a Green Card.

Two Leeds United players were mercilessly pilloried in the UK and Euro press for years over an assault involving a Pakistani as the victim. Think the Euro press is going to give this scumbag a hard time? I don't, I think they story will be how he's been discriminated against when he doesn't land a spot with Division 1 team somewhere soon.

Slowly but surely we are denying propaganda outlets to those who would deny us our right to defend ourselves against murderous jihad.
Who's next? BBC for living in denial about how Palestinian children are used in warfare?

#54 studsup

I remember his name, in case he shows up playing in the MLS here in the States. - Although I hope that is not the case.

US soccer fan

OT - The Palestinian Navy?

Who even knew they had their own Navy in the land locked desert of Judea?

joel 2 &
quark2: Just a guess but I'm thinking the new Texas group "Veterans For Truth" maybe wanted to do something special for Kerry's campaign and together with former Lt. Gov. Barnes, maybe approached Dan Rather (a big Demo. donor) with another kind of 'contribution' he could make; Rather probably gives the documents to his daughter ; Rather's daughter approaches Mary Mapes and gives her these dox that were magically 'found' in a barrel. The rest you know.

But that just my 2 cents.

That ought to wipe the smile off of Dan Rather's face.

Charles, I believe we have a story worthy of its own thread:

Robert Fisk blames the USA for his mother's death from Parkinson's disease

if President Bill Clinton had spent as much money on research into Parkinson’s disease as he had just spent in firing cruise missiles into Afghanistan at Osama bin Laden (and it must have been the first time Bin Laden’s name was uttered in the precincts of the Church of England) then my mother would not have been in the wooden box beside me.

OT - Latest news from Jihad University (University of South Florida)

Islamic USF player: Dispute over uniform led to dismissal

War Metaphor of the Day: Portrait of the European Union

Andrew B.

#58 F. Devil,

That was my conclusion, too. I do not think Mapes created the documents, but she definitely knows where they came from. And, as she did in 1999, she will be willing to take it in the a** to protect Rather and more likely the Kerry campaign. Unfortunately for her, she's already cooked - any holding out of her source(s) is beside the point. Everyone knows she knows.

#60 Norwegian kafir
Fisk:

fury at the sanctions which killed half a million children

This is the argument I never thought I would hear after the UN oil-for-food scandal became common knowledge. I was wrong. Some people (Fisk) just can't acknowledge that their sacred cow (the UN) is a money-grubbing, morally bankrupt organization.

#60 Norwegian kafir

Ho.ly.Shit. He actually wrote that. And this:

We should not have allowed 19 murderers to change our world

Talk about not getting it ...

#54 Studs Up

Whats up studs?

Islam here in Europe is taking on a life of its own. There is a fracturing of society into two camps, Islam and Infidels. I wish I were exaggerating the problem. Sad to say I anticipate civil disorder of the highest degree if something is not done to remedy the situitation soon. About the Islamic goon, I hope he is booted back to Morocco.

#64, Beagle. Maybe this is Fisks way of applying for a job with CBS. A worthy replacement has been found for Dan Rather, and CBS will save at least 40 pieces of silver on the deal. At least in the short term it would be sort of like the Titanic taking on a passenger after hitting the iceberg.

#61 BIG

USF is a breeding camp for Islamic radicals. The Islamization of the faculty and curricula is progressing at a slow but steady pace. Expect the Saudi colonial authority to scratch that district of the list of target precincts soon.

#52 andrew2 9/13/2004 11:05AM PST

We can't say that there were any signs (that he would behave in this way

Apply the logic of Suicide Bombers and CBS News to this. No one used to think a person would blow themselves up to make a point. No one used to think a respectable news organization would self-immolate to bring down a president. Belgian sports didn't think respectable Muslims in the public eye could suddenly assault someone they disagree with.

New reality. How are you going to adapt?

Wow, someome's been a busy little bee...

Very impressive to see it all in one list. Thank you, Charles!

#61 BIG,

I think all women in sports should wear this gear so as not to offend muslims that might be watching them. After all, that was one of FIFA's justifications for seeking a ban on removal of shirts in goal celebrations.

We must not offend muslims no matter what and we must become culturally sensitive enough to modify all of our cultural norms accordingly. Notice how USF is already backtracking. Expect the ACLU to be on the case when she doesn't get back the starting position that she lost last year on this squad.

Uh Oh

"Typography Questions About Silver Star Citations

Now that the entire blogosphere has had a crash course on typography and word processing, CQ reader Jeff C. spotted something interesting at the John Kerry campaign web site. Kerry's campaign has made available two of the three separate citations for the single Silver Star for his engagement of 28 February 1969, the Hyland and Lehman citations (the Zumwalt citation is not provided).

[Link: www.captainsquartersblog.com...]

Could we please get ONE thread to discuss whether it was possible to do these memos on the composer?? That is all the left talks about and we can put it to rest if we get just ONE thread with everyone working on this problem. The composer could NOT have done these and this chart is the reason why:

[Link: www.ibmcomposer.org...]

Put that chart on the front page and let the knowledge of this blog do its work.

we have a sample of what a composer type would look like here
[Link: users.ev1.net...]

Please give us a thread. We can end this argument now.

Very interesting information regarding JFK's citations and the manner in which they were printedCQB Kerr Citations

#68 andrew2

CAIR actually opened an office a couple of miles from campus. Speaking of which, it is located on the Hillsborough River which was flooding last week because of all the rain down here. Maybe I need to go over there to see if it floated away.

I don't know if you followed the link, but there is a picture of Andrea Armstrong there. She is a white girl with blond hair.

Sadly, you are correct about the direction USF is taking. I hear the diplomas are available in Arabic.

#75 BIG:

I find it very odd that a woman from a free and prosperous nation like the U.S. would voluntarily convert to Islam, given that particular religion not-so-impeccable record for women's equality. What exactly is the appeal?

#69 Rosh

Yes, the whole paradigm has shifted to the maniacially absurd. How are we going to deal with all the disinformation eminating from mainstream media? Will CBS be the first of the Titans to fall to the power of the blogosphere and will the new information medium dramatically alter society?

Will the true nature of Islam ever be understood befor its too late? Will the internet actually help solidify the so called "world wide'caliphate "and if so, is Al-Gore to blame?

Sorry for the rant...stress overload.

OT: Just wonderful (sarcasm/sigh)

Iraqi National Congress fires Chalabi aide for visiting Israel

"Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress has fired one of its most senior members for visiting Israel, a spokesman for the group said Monday. During an emergency meeting, the leadership of the former exile group decided to "fire Mithal al-Alusi from the Iraqi National Conference," spokesman Haidar al-Mousawi told The Associated Press. Al-Alousi, who was in Israel attending a conference on terrorism at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center, said that many elements in Iraq are interested in diplomatic ties with Israel."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

@76 Cam

Didn't you realize Islam is sooo romantic.
She daydreams of long hazy days of wearing long floating garments that softly swish around her ankles.

/sarc

Palestinians shoot at bus carrying children

According to security officials a busload of youth from the Bnei Akiva movement were in the bus and were planning to distribute apples and honey to soldiers deployed in the Hebron hills.

#77 Andrew2

Will CBS be the first of the Titans to fall to the power of the blogosphere and will the new information medium dramatically alter society?

At this point, it should only take ONE Titan to fall and then the others should straighten up, for awhile, anyway. Just today, Laur actually gave Sharon Bush the opportunity to rebut Kitty Kelly after Kelly's interview. I'd say that's a start.

#75 BIG

Diplomas in Arabic???

I followed the link. The image of Ms. Armstrong was depressing. I would love to grab her with a giant hook and helicopter-drop her in Teheran.

She looks like she starred in that movie, "Not without my brain", ...Uh, I mean Daughter.

#79 quark2:

She daydreams of long hazy days of wearing long floating garments that softly swish around her ankles.

LOL. Maybe the world seems a better place when viewed through the 1/2 inch eyeslit of a burqa.

;-)

77 andrew

Will the true nature of Islam ever be understood befor its too late? Will the internet actually help solidify the so called "world wide'caliphate "and if so, is Al-Gore to blame?

Islamist/jihadist websites are crystal clear about their nature and intentions. It's stunning when an internet service provider looks at what is being pointed out to them and claims they need more proof. Fortunately that doesn't happen that often.

Yes, the internet is most definitely helping to solidify the world wide caliphate -- jihadists are very very adept at using the internet for communication, command and control in this new reality. They are very very adaptable and we better had be as well.

#81 Joel2

Matt Lauer has no power to grant any rebuttals. The 2.5 million dollar per year executives call the shots. Maybe the stock holders would have something to say about all this rampant bias.

Frankly if the flagship of the LLL MSM the new York Times isn't hurting in the pocketbook despite all their shenanagans, reform is a long way off. Perhaps the MSM will start their own blog just like they started the catastrophic Radio America to counter.

@83 Cam

I wonder if she's volunteered for her clitorectomy yet.
Maybe one of her teammates should ask her.

Why CBS will continue to Stonewall - to keep their LLL-watchers

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

#86 quark2:

LOL! Zing!

After all the input from typewriter experts and font geeks...

Has the White House denied their authenticity? Doesn't that make you go "hmmm"?

As long as everyone is wasting their time and energy arguing over such spittle, all the real issues are going undiscussed by both candidates. The real fraud is that we allow this to happen.

I would not expect much to change at CBS-Fox has been doing the same thing for years-airing blatantly biased information posing as news.

#89 sonofdad

Fox ran with forged documents? When?

#89 sonofdad

"Has the White House denied their authenticity? Doesn't that make you go "hmmm"?

No. Why, should it? Have you noticed that this administration tries not to play in the gutter with the Democrats whenever possible?

Besides the forgeries speak for themselves.

Sonofdad,

This is exactly why Bush will beat the flowered speedo off John Kerry in November. Swift Boat Ads run, John Kerry whines like a baby and askes the President to "make them stop". Blatant forgeries surface about Bush and Bush ignores them. Bush looks presidential, Kerry looks like a thin skinned spoiled Kindygartener.

The female vote is LEAVING Kerry in droves.

Women do not want a "girlie man" as POTUS.

#92 Gretchen

Real men don't want "Girly Men" as president also.

sonofdad (#89),

As long as everyone is wasting their time and energy arguing over such spittle, all the real issues are going undiscussed by both candidates.

I have repeatedly heard Senator Kerry say that.

So why is is that he is obsessed with mentioning his service in Viet Nam, refuses to speak to his voting record (or even grant interviews, 50 days running now), and the DNC's "new" strategy is to hammer Bush on his TANG service until November 2nd.

The Democratic National Committee thinks you are too stupid to see through their smoke screen.

State Senators Kerry's position on prescription health care benefits for Medicare recipients in respect to the new drug benefits bill.

As long as everyone is wasting their time and energy arguing over such spittle, all the real issues are going undiscussed by both candidates.

I think that's exactly what the dems wanted because Kerry really has nothing of substance to talk about.

A nice list...heh. The silence from the MSM is deafening...I think that if they ignore it...it will go away.

Sorry...doesn't work like that anymore.