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Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 7:30:43 pm PDT

Three-year-old Sophia Parlock cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, after having their Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters on Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004, at the Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va. (AP Photo/Randy Snyder)

(Hat tip: LSD.)

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1 JohnAnnArbor  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:31:58pm

Note the union shirt on the guy who tore up her sign.

Gee, what a surprise.

2 [Engineer]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:32:09pm

Look at the grin on the bastard that made her cry. Sick people.

3 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:32:14pm

As I've told y'all, my dad once beat a man up on the Staten Island Ferry with an infant strapped to his back during a bomb scare.

Foolish? Perhaps.

Gratifying?

OH, YEAAAHHH!!

4 tdenton  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:32:25pm

Leave it to the Dems to be mean to children. Jeez...

5 [Engineer]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:33:15pm

Look at the kid (brother?) on the right making a fist.

6 toonman  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:33:22pm

Did they take her candy too?

7 Dr. Sanity  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:33:32pm

New Gallup Poll:
BUSH 54%
KERRY 40 %
NADER 3%

Expect the Kerry Rage to increase...

8 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:33:43pm

#3 lazytart

Clarify: Your Dad had an infant strapped to his back, or the other guy did?

I'm assuming that your Dad did.

If the situation was anything like this one...give your Dad a hug from me!

9 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:34:17pm

I have to wonder, at least, whether the nutcase that fired into Bush's Huntington headquarters was there.

10 evariste  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:34:27pm

Democratic Child Abuse?

11 Techie  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:34:37pm

Cowards.

12 Athos  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:34:42pm

When the pressure is on - their true nature comes to the forefront.

13 SmithL  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:34:53pm

It's for the children, doncha know?

14 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:35:10pm

These people are the enemy.

Somebody with more technical skill than I have---please bookmark this picture, and show it around the Internet.

15 vtrtl  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:35:21pm

jeeze...

the only ones left supporting kerry are thugs.

this election is going to be an insane blowout.

16 Megan  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:37:54pm

Well its a lot easier than going after dictators and terrorists. They might hate us more, and plus they have root causes that we should address. Three year old girls don't have root causes and don't hate America, so its okay.

17 SoCalJustice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:38:33pm

That photo is the third most emailed photo via Yahoo today:

most popular

18 Lyana  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:38:50pm

#10 evarariste

LOL!

This one looks real happy too...

19 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:39:00pm

We were talking about this on another thread. As bad as it sounds, I've seen worse.

OTOH, while in WV last week, a little girl fell down and 20 Republicans rushed to her.

Anyone want to bet why I've been a Republican my entire adult life?

20 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:39:13pm

Sarah D.

YES! It was my dad with the infant being my little brother. There was a stampede to the ferry due to a bomb scare... some asshole tried to shove my mother into the water in order to get on himself.

My (CPA) dad administered instantaneous, karmic street justice as only a pissed off accountant can!

It was enormously scary... I was six years old and had NEVER seen such a side of my father.

Trust me; that man in the photo would have done it in a nanosecond if he had been able... look at his face!

21 Maria  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:39:54pm

LIBERALS ARE FACISTS AND NAZIS...THAT IS WHY.

22 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:41:30pm

I hope some people take this picture to the smirking Union guy and ask him to, heh, heh, heh, "autograph" it for them, heh, heh, heh. . .

23 Holden McGroyn  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:41:54pm

I hope that is her brother and I hope 10 years from now he is 6'3', 235 lbs and a chain-belt kung fu master, who drags that union POS out of a bar and beats some legitimacy into what I'm sure will be an on-the-job disability claim he's scamming his union for.

That's how I see it, anyway.

24 blt  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:42:19pm

#6 toonman:
I don't know about her candy, but Allah thinks they took something else.

25 Yankee Zionist  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:42:36pm

I am a father.

I have two small children.

I am really pissed off by this.

26 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:43:06pm

#20 lazytart

I now have a new respect for accountants. Wow. That's a great story.

I see his face too. I'll bet he is ranting to whoever will listen right this very moment. And the little boy to the right too. I'll bet he'll be anti-lib for the rest of his life.

Good for your Dad. The hug still stands!!!

27 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:43:53pm

Did y'all see THIS??

Drunken Kerry supporter causes flight to be diverted..these people are losing their shit...

28 Maria  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:43:59pm

Liberals try to surpress any other dissent with intimidation and violence and vandalism.

29 Clutch  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:44:02pm

I have always despised unions and think that they should be put to the sword, even moreso after seeing that picture. Union scumbags, nothing more than barely cleaned-up street thugs! To HELL with them all! (Hey, whatever happened to Tyler the Terrible Teamster Troglodyte Troll? Not that I really wanna know...)

FOUR MORE YEARS, YOU UNION A$$WIPES!!!

(posted on the thread that this originally was referenced to, but what the hell, it belongs here...)

30 DCKC  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:44:44pm

The "man" at the side of the dad and girl appears to be a member or IUPAT- International Union of Painters and Allied Trades

When blow up in photo shop, he seem to be holding part of the torn up sign.

Here is why he did what he did. [Link: www.ibpat.org...]

31 baldrick  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:44:49pm

Amazing. Kerry supporters are the ones screaming "brownshirts" all the time. Yet they are the ones who act so viciously at the rallies. It takes a real man to attack a father holding his daughter you know.

32 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:44:49pm

Oh yeah, that is sure to win them more supporters. I'm tellin' ya, more and more people are beginning to recognize the fact that the El Cubo brigades that represent the core of Democrat support are nothing more than Facisti.

Bastards.

33 Buckaroo  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:44:57pm

Well, I guess I'll re-think taking the kids to any political rallies between now and Nov. ...
:-(

34 Maria  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:45:07pm

Liberalism is the true facisim.

35 Modern Crusader  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:45:26pm

I'm surprised they didn't try to abort her while they were at it.

IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIOUS!

MAKKAH DELENDA EST!

[Link: moderncrusader.blogspot.com...]

36 evariste  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:45:59pm
I'm surprised they didn't try to abort her while they were at it.

ROFL!

37 urthshu  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:46:15pm
38 Scriptfox  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:46:31pm

#14 TalkinKamel...
Image: kerry-3yearold-cry.jpg

Just send them that url along with the text when you use the 'email story' link above

Whoever took that had really good timing- I'd nominate them for some sort of award, just for the perfect set of human emotions they managed to capture.

39 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:47:03pm

IUPAT=International Union of Painters and Allied Trades,
which is what the thug with the cap is wearing on his shirt. IUPAT has a website, where you can tell them what you thing of their "union brothers" behavior:

IUPAT

Note that I'm sending you to the page that talks about how much the union cares about children's welfare...

40 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:47:37pm

Yes, the little boy is her brother. He's identified in a

second picture, which appears to have been taken later.

And look at the smirking thug--he's really getting in their faces, and sooo proud of himself.

I hope there's some legal consequences.

41 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:48:43pm

#25 Yankee Zionist:
I'm a mother.

I have two no-longer-small children.

I am as pissed off as you are.

42 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:48:45pm

Thanks, Sarah D.! His reward has been the episode becoming family folklore... and the eternal loyalty of his wife and childrenk, of course!

BTW, I just emailed that union, FWIW. Nice PR!

43 Skippy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:48:53pm

#4 tdenton

Leave it to the Dems to be mean to children. Jeez...

Let's all take a moment to thank Providence that Tuh-ray-zah didn't follow through on her notion that there'd be nothing wrong with having the little kid be naked for a while.

44 DarthBrooks  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:49:15pm

I think Henry Ward Beecher said it's important to remember what people say to you when they're angry.

Lots of truth revealed in that pic.

45 Maria  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:49:20pm

How can we identify the thug??? To show what a true nazi is.

46 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:49:33pm
47 Psychophil  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:49:59pm

I'm betting that the girl was at least holding her sign upright... unlike the Kerry supporter behind her.

48 Lively  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:50:06pm

#7 Dr. Sanity

New Gallup Poll:
BUSH 54%
KERRY 40 %
NADER 3%

From Yahoo says they're tied with Bush 47% and Kerry 46%. Who to believe.

49 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:50:15pm

#46 Iron Fist

Fire ant bed. Before he's dead.

50 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:50:24pm

I shudder to think what would have happened were this my son... and my redneck husband... can anyone say "Iron Fist"???

51 Renna  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:50:30pm

That is her brother standing beside them (from caption of the second photo).

52 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:50:38pm

ah, see the young leftist anarchist/terrorist in the making. Isn't that nice?

Keep it up leftists. The more you act like your true leftist pathetic cowardly punk selves, the more the rest of the country will turn out for Bush.

53 LSD  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:51:17pm

#37

I can't believe AP already changed the photo!

lmao!

54 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:51:28pm

LOL! Iron Fist, I was JUST talking about you... ears burning??

55 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:51:45pm

They name the guy and his kids, but not the son-of-a-bitch who assaulted them. Too bad...

56 andrew  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:52:50pm

As a father of small children, I gotta say I would never put my kids in harm's way by taking them to a Kerry rally.

57 FloridaHeat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:53:06pm

The Democrat's stronger America, indeed.

They have a rather warped idea of what to DO with their strength.

58 Maria  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:53:18pm

Tuh-raz-uh the ketchup queen was raised in Africa so Ms. Liberal has seen her servents kids run around naked...as her servents spoon fed her.

So of course she is concerned about 'the little people'...(sarcasim)

She should say, in her pompous way, "Let the hurricane victims eat cake". She has no clue about the real people.

59 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:53:49pm

#45 Maria:

The painter's union would know who he was, he may even have been one of the IUPAT point men for the Kerry reception; IUPAT is proud of their "in your face" political stance, and would probably be proud of this goon.

I suppose if a few thousand people emailed IUPAT with a copy of the picture and expressed their disgust they may feel a little heat; but, gee, how can we organize something like that, hmmm?

60 Renna  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:03pm

Notice Mr. Armpit guy harrassing the brother in the second photo.

My God, they have to know what the photographer is recording and they are STILL trying to get their posters in the picture.

61 toonman  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:25pm

#24 blt

LOL!!

62 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:40pm

#46 Iron Fist :

Damn, I wish I had been there.

Look at the brother balling up his fists. young pup'll grow up to be the next Iron Fist.

Think anyone will try that shit on his kid?

;-)

63 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:45pm

#46 Iron Fist
Remind me at the end of the month to send you the "miranda rights" I have on the wall of my office. It starts "Before I Fuck you up, you have right to a doctor..."

64 orson  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:59pm

Anybody notice the genius holding the "EDWARDS" sign upside down ?

65 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:54:59pm

What a POS! I think the IUPAT guy is due for a "Deliverance" moment. Can't you hear the banjos?

66 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:55:01pm

OT

Kerry's speech to the Guard.

Any Guard members here who would care to comment?

67 BRUTUS  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:55:18pm

I am fuming. I want to hunt this guy like the pig that he is.

68 Dr. Sanity  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:55:32pm

I don't necessarily believe ANY polls, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose Gallup.

69 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:56:01pm

Leftist AP flushed it down the memory hole?
Big surprise.

Dan Rather wont admit to obvious forgeries.

We have a presidential candidate whose own words were used after he returned from 4 months and 12 days in Vietnam, to lend aid and comfort to the enemy.

Sick.

70 Midwest Pundit  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:56:16pm

#20 Right on! My twin brother, the accountant, bitch-slapped a union shop steward into submission once this year.

Those Accountants- You know, they're just Crazy!!

71 Renna  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:56:30pm

I didn't think "A Stronger America" was supposed to mean stronger than 3-yr-old little girls.

A Strong-arm America?

72 Smapty  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:56:36pm

She probably attacked John Kerry's patriotism. Kerry supporters aren't gonna take it any more.

73 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:56:40pm

My sister is trying to get a response from another site. Shhh.

74 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:57:07pm

Proof that the union goon on the left of the photo is indeed holding a piece of the ripped-up Bush/Cheney sign:

http://www.conventhill.com/meandems.jpg

75 ajf  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:57:13pm

"IUPAT families for Kerry" is there slogan, see here.

I'll chip in $1K as a reward on that guys head.

76 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:57:31pm

Whatever it is that is going on in the media right now is, in many ways, scarier than the freaking jihad.

Literally "disappearing" the truth.

Good god! How stupid do they assume we've become?

77 ambisinistral  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:57:48pm

IDed by the photo, the Union guy will end up with assult charges pressed against him.

78 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:58:24pm

Hey, Iron Fist...if reaganite sends you his Miranda rights, would you please forward them along? Sounds hillarious.

79 ajf  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:58:33pm

their...guy's

PIMF
PIMF

80 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:58:44pm

#63 reaganite,

That's great. I cannot convey how calm I am normally but this event really, really steams me. There is such a monumental line that is crossed when you harrass children...I would have broken that boy.

81 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:58:47pm

Midwest Pundit,

details, PLEASE!!!

82 rascoe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:59:00pm

Looks like a typical day of Union thuggery here in Philly. I just don't get those guys. Easy to see why people think so highly of union members.

I hope there is a special place in HELL for these type people or at least some karmic justice lurking out there waiting for this guy.

West Virginians should be proud...

83 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:59:12pm

#56 Andrew:

As a father of small children, I gotta say I would never put my kids in harm's way by taking them to a Kerry rally.

This was not a Kerry rally. Kerry wasn't even there. Edwards was there only to board a plane. Some people happened to show up at the airport.

84 baybuny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:59:17pm

unfortunately, i can almost hear the kerry supporters i know asking, "what were they doing at an edwards appearance?" in defense of this POS! :(

85 BenJeremy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:59:37pm

Before I realized the idiot's shirt was a union shirt, I thought it said "TUPAC for President" or something like that.

86 Carolyn  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 5:59:57pm

The picture should be sent to the Kerry campaign, asking if they are proud of their tactics.

87 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:00pm

This photo makes me spitting mad. If that were me these idiots would be on the receiving end of a legendary Europhobe right cross – trust me it ain’t pretty. The last recipient, a street punk harassing an elderly couple, had a tube coming out of his cheek for 6 weeks.

Fortunately for me, the testimony of the frightened elderly couple was more persuasive to the cops than the blood gushing from said punks face. But I digress.

As disgusting as this photo is, look on the bright side, in a few weeks we will do some serious gloating. Kerry is going down like a porn star, fast and hard (sorry ladies).

88 orson  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:05pm

Apologies to # 47. You saw it first, Psychophil.

89 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:16pm

#68

From the statistician standpoint, Gallup runs a pretty good shop. I had a prof for sampling and survey techniques that thought they were great.

90 AdvancedMammoth  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:49pm

Bleeding hearts indeed.

91 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:50pm

#72 smapty

I really hope you forgot to add the /sarcasm tag.

92 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:00:51pm

#80 addison
The more I think about it the more I believe that this asshole had no USSS near him. I've watched the USSS uniformed division drop people for less. But then again, this was a Lurch site.

93 RightIsRight  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:01:03pm

Fucking pussy ass Union socialist.

94 Determined Troll  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:01:37pm

I feel for the little girl and cannot imagine what kind of asshole behaves like that in front of a child. But, troll that I am, I have to question the wisdom of sticking a kid on your shoulders and wading into a hostile crowd.

It certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the cowardly bully responsible, but Dad bears part of the burden for putting his daughter in harms way.

This lack of civility is not restricted to any particular party. Here is a what I assume to be a Republican kicking a woman (.mov link) while she is on the ground and retsrained by security. Here is another yanking a womans hair. These are two halves of a whole and I'm equally disgusted with each and every rabid partisan jerk, regardless of which way they vote.

95 Sergio  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:01:42pm

Finally, an enemy the Kerry people are willing to take on.

96 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:01:54pm

In a true leftist paradise, free speech would only be awarded to those on the left with proper left-wing views and allegiances.

Anyone with a different point of view, would be imprisoned or killed. Children are not off the hook.

By the way, If Kerry gets in, he has stated that he
would bring back the "fairness doctrine". Say goodbye to this blog and all other forms of alternative informantion & talk radio.

97 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:01:55pm

#78 rufusalice
When I get back to NC at the end of the month I'll post it, fair enough?

98 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:02:11pm

#82 rascoe

It's called ignorance. You run into it every day. It is just amplified by what this ignoramous has been spoon fed. In his mind, that little girl is just as bad as her Daddy, she'll grow up to be a conservative! Gasp!

I still say a fire ant bed is his just end.

99 urthshu  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:02:16pm

In the second photo, you can see another guy beckoning to the first thug, sorta like "get outa there, you moron, the cameras are on you". See him? Kinda dweeby?

100 Julio Jurenito  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:02:21pm
d#18 Lyana 9/16/2004 07:38PM PST This one looks real happy too...

Rebecca Putana is yet to find out that Edwards may have something to do with unaffordability of healthcare.

Julio

101 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:02:38pm

As if it would do any good (aside from the pleasure one gets from venting):

INTErNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS AND ALLIED TRADES-AFL-CIO

General President
James A. Williams

EMAIL

102 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:02:42pm

"Honey, I'm going to have to set you down for a minute. I have a smirking union jackass whose clock I have to clean."

If nothing else, I think we can all agree that Kerry has the "pathetic idiot" vote this year.

OT - Check out Mamasan's T-Shirt

103 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:03:01pm

#71 Renna

I didn't think "A Stronger America" was supposed to mean stronger than 3-yr-old little girls.

I guarantee the 3-year old girl is more productive than these POS.

104 DarthBrooks  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:03:44pm

I realize he can't put his daughter down on the tarmac, but if Painter Boy did that to *my* kid, he'd be spitting teeth.

Doesn't matter - that guy's picture is probably on the front page of the Huntington World Tribune tomorrow . He can say goodbye to his car windows.

105 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:03:54pm

#94 Determined Troll
Another asshole blaming the victim.

106 Skippy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:04:12pm

#96 Free Speech...

In a true leftist paradise, free speech would only be awarded to those on the left with proper left-wing views and allegiances.

It's called an American college campus. They have speech codes and their persecution of minority viewpoints literally fills books.

107 JonB  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:04:24pm

The stories say this happened in WV. Who on the east coast wants to get together and give this fucking asshole a chainsaw enima?

108 baybuny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:04:52pm

#94 Determined Troll

thanks for making my point for me.

109 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:04:58pm

yeah- we should find out who this thug is. Then unleash. Let's see if this punk is man enough to take on an adult.

110 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:04:59pm

#38 Scriptfox

Thanks for the URL!

#39 Andthenblammo

---And thank you for the Union's email address. I did send them an email, and attached Scriptfox's URL, so they can see the picture of that very special Union member of theirs!

111 Kina  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:05:09pm

Hopefully, someone verbally castrates that eejit! It's not that he wrecked the sign-- he is happy he is making that kid cry because of it.
I think he is compensating for a weakness in some other part, er, of his life. Or maybe, more simply, he is just a total idiot. Likely, I'd say.

So, the party "for the children, underprivileged, etc" strikes again. That is, all the children who are not spawn of satan, bushitler, republicans...
I joyfully sent this off to my bleeding heart MIL who is a die hard Demo Lib of the ilk of Dan Retard.

112 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:05:15pm

#97

Thanks bunches!

Next time you're in town, you'll have to visit the Knoxville Area Lizardoid den.

113 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:05:24pm

"It certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the cowardly bully responsible, but Dad bears part of the burden for putting his daughter in harms way."

Well, there you have it, folks.

Oh, and somehow attacking a THREE YEAR OLD is the same thing as being an asshole to an adult.

Sorry.

You fuck with my kid, you're GONE.

114 Red5  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:05:24pm

I seriously doubt that this guy with a little girl on his shoulders holding a Bush-Cheney sign was causing any kind of noticeable disruption at this pro Kerry event. Why couldn't the Kerry-Edwards supporters just ignore them? It shouldn't have been hard at all. I'm a Bush supporter who lives in a very democrat area with giant Kerry-Edwards yard signs all over the place and I just accept it. It's not hard to do.

115 Right Brain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:06:39pm

Politics@IUPAT.org

Image: name.gif

Here is the email address of the scumbags union. Send'em some love.

116 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:06:39pm

#85 BenJeremy ROFL

I admit I have not read all of this thread, yet...but are we sure the guy next to her is the one that tore up the sign?

117 PepSquad  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:00pm

Perhaps one day he'll have a child and will find himself involved with a custody battle... and who knows maybe his baby's mother will think "Hey,... I know of a photo that will help my case against him." I'm sure a guy like that would brag about his twenty mins of fame.

118 Marc Poitras  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:28pm

Hey, Determined Troll, I don't buy your version of the myth of 50-50, nor your "blame the victim" mentality. Most of the thuggery is on the Left. I would not fear putting a Kerry sticker on my car, but I don't dare to put a Bush sticker.

119 urthshu  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:31pm

94
The value, I suppose, of bringing your children to a rally in the first place is to teach them about civivic responsibility.

To take them to ones you agree with is to teach them how to stand up for their own beliefs with like-minded ppl.

To take them to opposition rallies is to show them: 1] that ppl can disagree and still pursue rational politics, or failing that 2] to show them how stupid & ugly the opposition can be.

Sadly, I think the children in this case are a little young for it. The boy, especially, looks quite disappointed in the reactions of his father. I'm pretty sure they're going to have a long talk about sttoping to the ways of the enemy, etc. when they get a chance.

Nothing excuses the thug.

120 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:50pm

Pepsquad, you are a female, aren't you?

Only WE think that way.

I like it.

Karmic.

121 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:54pm

#112 rufusalice

Next time you're in town, you'll have to visit the Knoxville Area Lizardoid den.

Plan on it! I gotta buy Iron Fist a shit load of drinks. He can kick my ass, but I bet I can out drink him!

122 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:07:57pm

#116 glwing:

Look at bozo's hands, he's holding pieces of the sign...

123 Right Brain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:08:43pm

#85 he is holding the ripped part in his hand.

124 apotheosis  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:08:57pm

This must be that "Union Label" Gore was looking for.

Sick bastards.

125 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:08:59pm

And don't just blame the Michael Rappaport looking bastard...I hold all of the onlookers responsible too.

Just this Sunday at the Veterans rally, there was a couple walking around with the Kerry Purple Heart bandaids on. One of the veterans had seen it and asked them to remove them, saying that it takes away from all of the others that earned their Purple Hearts. And they removed them. The LLL is so scared to speak out against their group...that is what is going to be their total downfall.

126 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:09:01pm

#116 glwing:

I admit I have not read all of this thread, yet...but are we sure the guy next to her is the one that tore up the sign?

See the link in post 74.

127 RepJ  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:09:25pm

Is that the CBS logo on that guy's shirt?

128 Right Brain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:09:44pm

That should have been #116

129 Americain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:09:56pm

The way that union thug has treated this child is reminiscent of the way the Islamofascists in Besla treated the children...with disdain and hatred! Look at the glee he has on his face at the prospect of having ruined this young girl's day. The little brother's look of
anger and thirst for revenge as demonstrated with the clenched fist should be an inspiration to us all!

130 Sergio  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:09:57pm

Is "beating up on 2 year olds" one of the official AFL-CIO trades? And if so, perhaps someone (Iowahawk?) could provide us with a transcript of the collective bargaining agreement?

Maybe Kerry/Edwards have finally found an effective "outsourcing" issue for their campaign:
"Don't send our precious child-beating jobs overseas: vote Kerry/Edwards!"

131 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:10:10pm

#121

hmmm...I guess this means I draw DD duty. There are girl scouts that can out-drink me! (Then again, some of them are bigger than me, too.) Oh, well.

132 ted  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:10:12pm

If that was me and they ripped up my daughters sign the guy on the left would be choking on his teeth ...im generally not a violent guy but any L3 or any other better not enter into that territory...

133 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:10:31pm

#104 Darth Brooks
Here's Huntington's paper.
[Link: www.herald-dispatch.com...]

134 SoCalJustice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:10:33pm

(#94) D.T.

I see part of the point you're making - in fact, I was going to make it myself, because I remember that woman getting her hair pulled and I remember thinking that was disgusting.

But when I looked at the photo, I saw a huge distinction.

That woman went to a Bush even to shout down the speaker and disrupt it.

She should have been removed - perhaps not by a hair pull - but still, she needed to be removed. Protest outside, make your point. That's how it works.

If she was just holding a sign, protesting to make a point but not trying to actually physically disrupt the event she was protesting, then it would be wrong to touch her, or take away her sign, or whatever.

Here, there's no evidence that the little girl was shouting down the the speaker. And, she's just a little girl.

Besides, you write:

It certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the cowardly bully responsible, but Dad bears part of the burden for putting his daughter in harms way.

A counter protest is "in harm's way"?

Couldn't that guy grabbed a sign from someone his own size?

135 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:10:43pm

#94 Determined Troll:

But, troll that I am, I have to question the wisdom of sticking a kid on your shoulders and wading into a hostile crowd

I am sorry, but I disagree entirely. granted, I am a Canadian, so my experience may somewhat different.

My parents are politically diametrically opposed - my mother has always voted Liberal or NDP - read: left - and my father has traditionally voted Conservative (I'm sure you can figure that one out). when I was six I asked them why they posted different signs on either sides of the lawn. So they began to take me to political rallies, candidate debates, etc., so as to give me an understnding of what the political forces at work ewre.

My father was born and raised in Nazi-occupied Holland. He, and his family, were disenfranchized, and both my folks made damn sure that I understood what a rare and beautiful thing it is to have the right to dictate one's own future. No harm can come of that.

136 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:11:23pm

Locally leftwing tolerance: A Denver man and his wife and young daughters drove up to Telluride, CO in a car with pro-Bush bumper stickers on back.. Long story short, his car was vandalized with permanent maker. Swastikas.

True story.

137 PepSquad  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:11:31pm

LazyTart *waves* Yeah, I'm female. :)

138 SoCalJustice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:11:32pm

"have grabbed..."

139 Midwest Pundit  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:12:05pm

Bitch Slap...

I work in HR and after many altercations with the plant shop steward he was released from the company I work for... (Productivity jumped 30% the next month!)

One night out at a dance bar with my twin- the Hot-headed Accountant (ha!)- we run into this guy who tells me to FO. My bro overhears this, and, like the typical accountant that he is, he throws a drink on the shop steward thug. The thug lunges at "The Accountant" (certified CPA). My brother stops him in his tracks with one hard, back-handed, bitch-slap.

The thug is escourted out of the bar.

My Brother, the Bitch-Slappin, Wild-Eyed, Don't mess with family, Accountant...

140 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:12:28pm

I would have went to jail that day big time.

141 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:12:45pm

Troll

Obviously each side is going to have it's fringies. Unfortunately, the fringies on the Left have become the mainstay of the Dem party, right up through its officials. The GOP went through a meltdown and had to clean house. Looks like it is going to take a slapdown on the Dems...lose both the WH and the Congress, and make them irrelevant, for them to grow up and become the liberal but anti-left, loyal opposition again.

The dad had every right to bring his children and involve them in the political process. He doesn't look to be in a "pressing" crowd, so his "wading in" is pure speculation on your part. For all you know, he showed up early and got his space before the thugs showed up.

142 Determined Troll  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:12:47pm

#113, "Oh, and somehow attacking a THREE YEAR OLD is the same thing as being an asshole to an adult."

Of course it isn't and I never said that it was. Of course the linked story doesn't provide a great deal of context -- we see a crying child and what seems to be a gloating moron.

This is exactly what I mean by rabid partisanship. A crying child on a mans shoulders is suddenly the victim of an attack. I don't know that and neither do you.

143 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:12:55pm

Midwest Pundit,

BEAUTIFUL.

144 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:13:55pm
145 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:13:55pm

#106 Skippy

Have you had a chance to watch this?

Brainwashing 101

It's excellent and chilling.

146 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:14:15pm

I see you're DETERMINED to play moral equivalence.

Knock yourself out.

147 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:15:21pm

#131 rufusalice

There are girl scouts that can out-drink me!

Well, some jobs encourage drinking, some that do not. Honestly though, I'd love to see if I can out drink Iron Fist. A bouncer against and EOD tech. Anybody up for a pool?

148 Determined Troll  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:15:35pm

#118, "I would not fear putting a Kerry sticker on my car, but I don't dare to put a Bush sticker."

Love to know where you live -- around here we're in Bush country and I can't keep a Kerry-Edwards sign on my lawn to save my life. The Bush signs next door, and next door to next door and across the street seem to be hanging in there pretty good.

149 freedomsound  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:15:58pm
A crying child on a mans shoulders is suddenly the victim of an attack. I don't know that and neither do you.

That's what the AP caption says.

150 Skippy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:16:07pm

#129 Americain

The way that union thug has treated this child is reminiscent of the way the Islamofascists in Besla treated the children...with disdain and hatred!

Oh, let's not over do it. He isn't shooting her in the back of the head. He's clearly a petty thug, but he isn't an IslamoFacist terrorist.

151 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:16:21pm

#142 Troll

No, there is more to the picture. The child is holding the ripped sign and the thug is holding a piece of it.

Now, why would you leave that out?

152 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:16:26pm

Midwest Pundit, you have given me inspiration. Some day I hope to grow up to be The Bitch-Slapping Statistician.

I can dream, right?

153 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:16:33pm

142 Troll

A crying child on a mans shoulders is suddenly the victim of an attack. I don't know that and neither do you.


But we do know this, from the caption of the picture. Presumably, the photographer witnessed the event. As it was written:

Three-year-old Sophia Parlock cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, after having their Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters
154 RepJ  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:16:34pm

Ha ha ha The guy in the background is holding his Kerry sign upside down.

155 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:17:57pm

#142 DT:

A crying child on a mans shoulders is suddenly the victim of an attack. I don't know that and neither do you.

Well, that's what the caption says. And someone took the time to get the names, so presumably that person (the photographer?) was there.

156 swampfox  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:18:00pm

Wait a minute. This doesn't compute. Aren't the democrats the party of compassion and the little people?

Seriously, I have had countless encounters with liberals who abuse invidividuals and treat people in an inhuman manner in the concrete while professing to care about mankind in the abstract. The father should have punched these Kerry/Edwards punks in their collective nose

157 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:18:38pm

Well, it's a good thing unionboy wasn't actually ON an airplane:

Man tossed off flight, arrested for rowdyness in "political arguement" with fellow passenger

Hint: he wasn't a Bush supporter...

158 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:18:40pm

154

A union Kerry supporter. You were expecting a brain surgeon???

:-)

159 bombcar  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:19:11pm

You guys might be interested in this little pseudo-commercial made by Slashdot's only conservative editor: Fight!

160 freedomsound  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:19:24pm

Maybe Karl Rove infiltrated the Associated Press and staged the whole thing. Isn't it a little too convenient that a photographer was present to take those photos?

/moonbat

161 curse.that.flew.right.by.you  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:19:55pm

who ever said that "dems" terrorize children? gimme a break...leave it to those REPS to make stupid comments.

162 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:14pm

#147

Well, he seemed to handle his beer very well. Then again, he only had 3 or 4. What can I say? After 3, I would have been in a corner giggling...hopefully maintaining full clothing coverage.

163 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:14pm

#144 Iron Fist

Although my students would probably lean towards the coroner thingy

That's in there too brother!

164 Renna  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:17pm
This is exactly what I mean by rabid partisanship. A crying child on a mans shoulders is suddenly the victim of an attack. I don't know that and neither do you.

The ripped up sign in her hands, the sign parts in the guy's hands, and the caption of the photographs.

No one just inferred an attack.

165 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:26pm

#147 reaganite

I want in. But, I need to know if you'll be wearing the goggles (@@) or not before I decide on the amount.

166 Havoc  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:29pm

O.K. -- Bozo Thug deserves a beating,

but what kind of guy takes his three year old with him out to counter-protest at a Thug land rally ? It's not much above a Harly Bar on Sat. Night. Not alot of common sense in that.

So counter-protest all you want, but if you're going to provoke the thugs -- bring your own coupla sets of gorillas.

"always go to a gunfight well prepared"

167 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:38pm

Oy boy.

168 leezard  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:39pm

All I can think of is how my daughter would have reacted...

I picture her on top of her father's shoulders, waving her sign happily, so proud of it and not caring one stick what it says...and then it gets torn up my some young punk who deserves to get the crap knocked out of him. She would have been so devastated..just like this little one was.

169 jmflynny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:41pm

Well, thank G-d it wasn't Ta-Ray-Za. She apparently thinks that children should be naked, as well as frightened.

www.moxie.nu

170 stoj  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:20:46pm

Kerry & his supporters... God I can't even complete the sentence. They make me sick. Fighting with people on airplanes, terrorizing children, hacking websites, forging military documents, posting social security numbers & other personal info, laughing at toys that mock 9/11, bush=hitler, "screw them" koz, michael moore, DU, begging for purple hearts to let the real men die instead - I could go on and on.


I need Billy Joel to write a song about these a@@holes.

It makes me so sad.

171 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:21:03pm
172 ontevreden aubergine  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:21:15pm

#33 Buckaroo

I'm with you. Who the f--- brings their three year old to a political rally? Is it appropriate to have a child participating (?) in the crowded, loud, hysterical, quasi-violent affair that passes for rallies these days? Don't give me any bulls--t about "children learning about the process" either. She's three f---ing years old. I have a three year old son, and I wouldn't use him as a political prop for all the photo-op handshake jerk-offs in the world.

But he'll be joining me in the voting booth, you can count on that.

173 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:21:27pm

#94 Determined Troll

The woman in your second link is disrupting an appearance by George Bush, and, while I don't approve of the guy pulling her hair, I can see that tensions would be running pretty high at such an event, with the president there in person---and, using your line of reasoning, since she's put herself in harm's way, she should just accept the consequences.

Right?

The first link didn't work at all, at least for me, so I can't comment on it, but I do have to ask: you "assume" the person kicking a woman in the picture is a Republican? Why? Is the man wearing a Bush/Cheney pin, or carrying a big sign saying, "I AM A REPUBLICAN"? And if there's no obvious indication in the picture of who's who, or what's going on, how are we supposed to know exactly what's going on? It could be a lover's quarrel, for all we know.

Troll baby, it's supposed to be a free country, where parents should be able to take their kids to political rallies if they want to, and not have them terrorized by thugs! They were holding signs! They weren't shouting obcenities, or attacking the Union slob, or threating Kerry, or John Edwards! Why shouldn't they have been allowed to stand there, with their signs? Since when is this such a provocative act that it justifies having a little girl bullied? (By a grown---well, I won't call him a man; howzabout a grown up thing in pants?)

174 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:22:21pm

it's supposed to be a free country, where parents should be able to take their kids to political rallies if they want to, and not have them terrorized by thugs!


THEREIN lies the rub...

175 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:22:24pm

Thanks to all. Got it now. Blew up the pic. Yep, it's him.

Sorry all, underground in another thread had me laughing a few ago while sipping coffee and I spewed it on the monitor *blush* and didn't quite get it all off.


Ok, jammies on and paying complete attention now.

176 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:22:29pm

#161 curse

Do you have anything, say, useful to add?

177 sane artist  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:22:31pm

I think President Bush needs to personally meet with little Sophia and present her with a new sign.

178 snellenr  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:23:17pm

When you go to the IUPAT website, and click on "Leading Stories" on the left, the third headline reads

Presidential Race Has Unions Flexing Their Muscles.

I hope their email administrator is eligible for overtime, cause he's gonna earn it. Their contact address is Politics@IUPAT.org, by the way...

179 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:23:21pm

#156 swampfox:

I have had countless encounters with liberals who abuse invidividuals and treat people in an inhuman manner in the concrete while professing to care about mankind in the abstract.

Reminds me of that song from Hair:

How can people be so heartless?...

...Especially people who care about strangers
Who say they care about social injustice.
Do you only care about the bleeding crowd?
How about a needing friend?

[lyrics from memory, probably not quite accurate]

180 sas  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:24:08pm

I don't know about you guys, but the next time I need my house or business painted, I'm hiring a member of the

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PUNKS ATTACKING TODDLERS

What a man. It takes such courage to confront your intellectual equal, sir.

181 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:24:16pm

glwing- interesting nic. Wing-rider?

182 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:24:29pm

determined troll:

Where are YOU? I had a swastika scratched under my military sticker on my minivan. I had numerous lectures from people while my husband was in Iraq about the "retarded" president we have. I have people taking f 9/11 as gospel truth and confronting me with it. Just today I had a woman bagging my clothes at a store tell me about how she knew all about the military because her brother was in WWI (not a typo, she was about 50 herself) and she protested in Vietnam and her nephew was AWOL because he was afraid of going to Iraq.

The swastika was in the East Bay, but most of the others were in conservative Central CA - where the highway is littered with "US out of the UN NOW" signs.

In plain truth, I would not take my kids out to any dem event period. From what I've seen there's some kind of rabid Hitler Youth ferver going on. I see few W stickers here - but I do see Kerry ones. Most cars have no stickers with political leanings.

183 Felipe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:24:39pm

Did everyone see the latest gallop poll results as reported on Drudge? "Gallop Poll Shows Blowout: 14 Point lead over Kerry"

184 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:24:58pm

cba
I thought Three Dog Night did it.
Was that song in Hair?

185 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:25:04pm

#162 rufusalice

hopefully maintaining full clothing coverage.

*biting tongue*


Charles, any chance you can re-implement the no registration? The trolls are going nuts!

186 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:25:08pm

sane artist,

that's a really good idea.

187 Stop Hillary  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:25:25pm

Democrats bullying three year old girls? That is par for the course. That a Union thug did it. But of course. I am sure, knowing how Union guys handle their required appearances at these political events, that he had at least six or seven others standing behind him.

Oh yes, if you aren't out on a job, the guys hanging out at the union hall are all shipped off to events like this to bully and intimidate. Seen it enough myself. It's a Democrat thing, they really hate free speech. That's what makes them so dangerous when they are in power.

188 curse.that.flew.right.by.you  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:25:46pm

and so one guy punches someone else, and so did kerry tell him to do that? that is SO stupid. what the frig does that have to do with anything... check this out...

[Link: www.overspun.com...]

click where it say "link" on thurs sept 2 2004

"because he says so..." bush is an idoit. go kerry!

189 Greg  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:26:00pm

Hope everyone that was in that picture and let this happen to a three year old kid and make her cry and terror her father while this grinning hatbackwards IAPUT buttf*cking terrorist get a club or two over their skulls by some of the locals in West Virginia.

Only reason some people are still walking around is that it is illegal to kill 'em...

190 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:26:01pm

I work with union painters, and a lot of them aren't too crazy about the kneejerk support of Democrats by the International. But at a current $32+change an hour in the envelope plus benefits (in the Chicago area at least), they don't squawk too loud.

191 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:26:08pm

#104 Darth Brooks/#133 J.D.:

Doesn't matter - that guy's picture is probably on the front page of the Huntington World Tribune tomorrow . He can say goodbye to his car windows.

The photographer that took these photos works for the Huntington Herald-Dispatch; that's why he was there in the first place.

And it sure will be interesting to see if this photo is published in tomorrow's edition, or if they cover it up.

192 unclebubba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:26:45pm

I've "live-blogged" this (kinda) at my site...

WesRoth.com

Go Bush/Cheney. Boo AFL-CIO.

193 mrsparkle  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:26:54pm

It took a village to terrorize a child...

194 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:27:29pm

#161 curse.that.flew.right.by.you

I guess you didn't get the new talking points -

REPS - are now Repugs or Rethugs...your choice.

195 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:27:34pm

#182 militarybrat

I'm seeing more w04 stickers, but not many. I have the ONLY "United We Stand" license plate that I have seen in the entire state. I posted about this a while ago, and I still haven't seen another one.

It's scary.

196 Determined Troll  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:27:37pm

Look, at no time did I excuse or justify that guys actions towards a child or a man with a child on his shoulder. Had I been there, we'd have fought, even though I probably would have been carrying the same sign he or his cronies were.

This is why I don't comment here very often -- dissent though not censored or forbidden, is quickly shouted down with a flurry of sarcastic personal attacks.

I have a child that age and if you think I would wander into a Bush-Cheney thing with him on my shoulders proudly sporting my "Commies for Kerry" button and Bushitler sign your sadly mistaken. It would be foolish and incendiary, it would be my right but not all that bright.

It was my hope that pointing out a couple of examples on the 'other' side would prompt a civil discussion on the pitiful state or rational political discourse in this country. This is a particularly egregious example but it is far from unique and says more about us as a society than it does about a sad little girl and some big asshole with a hat.

197 Momzilla  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:28:06pm

One of the San Diego Protest Warriors had a similar experience recently when a jerk kept cursing at her young son (maybe 7?).

This stuff happens all the time. They really are deranged.

198 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:28:06pm

#165 Sarah D.

I want in. But, I need to know if you'll be wearing the goggles (@@) or not before I decide on the amount.

What about the speedos?

#171 Iron Fist

Hell, man, you don't bounce when drunk. Nurse your beer.

Dude, stop stealing the bomb squad's sayings! :-Þ

199 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:28:57pm

This asshat needs a claymore rigged in his car, when he opens the door ...end of story!

200 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:28:57pm

#142 Determined Troll

We can "Infer" an attack took place, because of the caption, and the fact that Union-pig-boy (I apologize to all porcines out there), is holding part of her sign. The caption even gives the little girl's name, which means somebody was asking questions, as well as snapping pictures.

Why are you so determined to excuse Mr. Union-unspeakable-bacterium-boy?

201 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:12pm

#188

LMFAO !!!

bush is an idoit. go kerry

Well, at least he isn't sputid.

202 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:14pm
203 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:16pm

cba

"Easy to be Hard" (which was also recorded by Three Dog Night... good lord I'm dating myself, yet again)

How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy To Be Hard; Easy to be cold

Oh, how can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be proud; Easy to say no

And especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about the bleeding crowd?
How about a needing friend?
I need a friend...

How can people be so heartless
You know I'm hung up on you
Easy to give in; Easy to help out

Oh, and especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about the bleeding crowd?
How about a needing friend?
I need a friend...

How can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be hard; Easy to be cold
Easy to be proud;
Easy to say no.

:-)

I say Hair in 1971 in Los Angeles at the Aquarius Theater, with Ted Neely (Jesus Christ Superstar) in the lead.

204 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:33pm

#184 J.D.:

Three Dog Night might have covered it (although it's not a style I would have expected from them) but it's definitely from Hair. I got the soundtrack and used to listen to it often (although I haven't for a few years now).

205 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:41pm

Bernie, that you?
Yeppers ;)

206 sfcswanson  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:46pm

Just 30 minutes ago I was treated to some LLL tolerance, knock on the door "I'm mark with the AFL-CIO. I'd like to tell you why we need to get Bush out of ofice" I politely told him I was a Bush supporter. He procceded to loudly tell me why I was wrong and Bush needed to go. I admit I was getting a little bothered. I told him he wouldn't win over too many converts with his current method and you need to go now. As he left he was shouting a steady stream of " ok buddy, we'll see buddy, see ya later buddy". And my sister has the temerity to ask why I stick a gun in my waist band when I answer the door at night!

207 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:29:58pm

#172

Look, eggplant. My parents took both myself, and my sister to rallies, speeches, etc. No one ever said anything ugly to us or made us cry. We learned to respect the process. And just two months ago, I took my sister to register to vote. She'll turn 18 just days before the election...and she's excited. REALLY EXCITED about her first election and chance to vote. It's really very cute in a puppy sort of way, but it's very nice to see. I wish my students cared nearly so much, and ALL of them are old enough to vote.

208 Glen Wishard  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:15pm

#172 - ontevreden aubergine

Who the f--- brings their three year old to a political rally?

My dad. He took me to a Nixon rally. I remember it, too, because there was a HUGEASS picture of Nixon on the wall.

He took me to the movies, too - "The Wild Bunch"! And he put his hands over my eyes when they cut the guy's throat. My dad is great.

209 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:24pm

errr... say = saw

210 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:31pm

#191 TLP
That was the Herald-Dispatch website I posted. You knew that, right?

211 Jakester  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:34pm

But the Bush folks bar any Kerry supporters from their rallies, so democratic!

212 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:36pm

I have a big magnetic red, white and blue W on the back of my little red bug and every day I expect to see it removed or my car keyed. So far three weeks have passed and no problems. However, I have noticed a few irate drivers trying to run up the back end of my car on the interstate...

213 RedMoonProject  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:30:49pm

I think we should all give the goon on the left some credit where credit is due. He was, after all, generous and magnanimous enough not to stab her with a bayonet and then blow up her school. I imagine that it took quite a bit of restraint on his part to refrain from doing so.

The Democratic Party; it's for the children.

214 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:31:05pm

#199 'Nam Grunt

This asshat needs a claymore rigged in his car, when he opens the door ...end of story!


Have you met #198 reaganite ;-)

215 Snake Plissken  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:31:14pm

#94 Determined (Dumbass)

Hey dipsh*t you know if a demoncrat father was holding his three year old with a John Kerry sign at a speech for President Bush, NOT A DAMN thing would have happened to them.

216 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:32:06pm

Sarah D:

What state are you in? Curious.

In my experience, most people are quiet about their political leanings when they support the war in Iraq, Israel, or W. I have ONE left leaning friend that I can discuss things like this with civilly, and although we agree to disagree on many things, she supports Israel very much and has admitted (thanks again for your magic google powers, rayra) that the WMD claim had justification.

I have family members who are defending Rather. When it was anti-Clinton I heard "Occam's razor" so often I'm sick of it now. But now I find myself telling THEM about that Occam's little bic.

217 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:32:13pm

#204 cba

I still have my Hair album. Even have a turntable to play it on.

:-)

218 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:32:34pm

#196 Determined Troll

Look, at no time did I excuse or justify that guys actions towards a child or a man with a child on his shoulder.

Yes you did, you blamed the father for taking her there.

Asshole.

219 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:06pm

Heh, thanks Darleen--

And I'm happy to see my memory of the significant part (the chorus) wasn't too far off!

Although I'm still surprised Three Dog Night covered it... did they change the style much?

220 TheMachine  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:07pm

It was obvious that the toddler was taunting them, shouting her political ideals in their faces and then parading around with that aweful sign. Their actions are clearly justified and I reccomend the toddler get her act together and grow up.

221 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:13pm

glwing, yes it is!! One of my motorcycle pals. Don W or Don V or someone else?

222 Obscure  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:24pm

To quote Christmas Vacation...

"That's pretty low, mister. If I had a rubber hose, I'd beat you with it!"

But this new Gallup poll is going to have the Dems crapping their pants. Perhaps we should be thanking Rather. Maybe there should be a 60 Minutes III or even IV.

223 amina  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:25pm

I'd love to sport a "W" or Bush/Cheney bumpersticker on my truck, but I'm afraid it would get bashed in if I did. This photo is now #1 emailed on Yahoo! Awsome!

224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:26pm

Democrats - There is a reason they use a jackass ass their symbol.

225 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:47pm

#198 reaganite

Don;t care about the Speedos. It's the goggles that matter. The Speedos will only restrict your drinking circumfrence...better without.

226 sas  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:33:50pm

And why are you feeding trolls, TalkingKamel?

227 vtrtl  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:35:09pm

serves the little freeper bitch spawn right...

we should take all the repugs children away from them so they wont be raised to become brownshirt bushitler lemming sheeple like their parents.

/DU

228 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:35:31pm

#212

I love my white W on the black background. It goes so well with my white car. My insurance is paid until well after the election. I do like to tempt fate and park next to obvious moonbats on campus. It just makes me smile to think they might come back to their vehicle and snarl.

229 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:35:38pm

#204 cba

I guess I just don't recall the Hair version of it, but I do remember some of the others from Hair - especially HAIR.

230 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:35:38pm

This photo is ricocheting all over the blogosphere; I suspect we'll have an ID for buckethead by the weekend, and a statement:

"Uh, um votin fer Kerry cos he's da pal of the woiking man! And I'm gonna kick da ass of anybody who ain't fo my candidate! Or at least rip up der sign! Heh, heh! (drool)"

231 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:15pm

#214 RWC,

Yes we have met! A real Trooper!

232 Julio Jurenito  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:20pm

So is the perp's name known yet?

233 centaur  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:20pm

The Left has latched on to and galvanized around pure hatred. They are irrational and dangerous and have afflicted lots of other folks with their pathology. . It's gone way beyond opposition.

They are guilty in spades of everything they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of engaging in: intolerance, fear mongering, "crushing of dissent", violence... etc.

Think about the mental process involved in assaulting a man and his children like this. It is 100% emotional (the worst of emotions) and reactionary. It is rabid. Tearing up a sign because you disagree with it? From the hands of a child? (They did this to the Protest Warriors at the NYC rallies and got caught on film, but actually doing it to a child... My God.)

The Left is frightening.

234 baybuny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:36pm

i was recently called a "racist bitch" by someone who i could only presume was a kerry supporter who did not approve of my bush/cheney bumper stickers.

i was sitting at a light (in suburban orange county california i might add) and i looked over to see a man in a very nice, expensive full size pickup truck mouthe the word 'bitch' to me while i was driving down the road with my 3 year old son. i knew i hadn't cut him off or anything. i was astounded! so, the foolish girl that i am, i followed him until i could pull up to him at a stop light and ask him what his problem was. he proceeded to point towards the back of my car where my stickers are, and scream at me, "you are, you racist bitch!", sending me into fits of laughter at his maturity. unfortunately, i sunk to his level and flipped him off while laughing at him.

i have since gotten a couple of thumbs down on the road, and i have also since added an additional "W" sticker to my car! i no longer flip them off, i just smile! :)

what is the saying? "piss off a democrat. be happy!" or something like that! lol!

i had a couple of people warn me that he could have been armed and to be careful - i figured he was hard-core moonbat and most likely didn't believe in the 2nd amendment!

235 AdvancedMammoth  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:42pm

Such upright citizens that just stood idly by while that jackass illustrated their communal character.

236 unclebubba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:36:49pm
237 cba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:06pm

Darleen, I still have the album and I still have the turntable. Just haven't used it much recently.

OTOH, this summer my kids (21 and nearly 18) discovered our old LPs and took great delight in playing them--including Hair (the movie soundtrack version). They love the original American Pie and hate the Madonna version. :-)

238 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:06pm

#215 snake

Snake, if a Bush supporter had done this it would have been STOP THE PRESSES by the MSM.

239 TalkinKamel  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:09pm

#226 sas

Cuz sometimes I just can't resist! (Cheap thrills!)

240 Determined Troll  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:31pm

#173, "The first link didn't work at all, at least for me, so I can't comment on it, but I do have to ask: you "assume" the person kicking a woman in the picture is a Republican? Why? Is the man wearing a Bush/Cheney pin, or carrying a big sign saying, "I AM A REPUBLICAN"?"

I can't possibly keep up and defend my views on a post by post basis, but since I posted a bad link I wanted to make this clearer. The original video was aired by ABC. It took place on the RNC convention floor, hence my assumption the assailant is a Republican.

Here is a link that may provide more background (note: this isn't a site I'm familiar with, just near the top of Google).

241 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:33pm

#216 militarybrat

But now I find myself telling THEM about that Occam's little bic.

That was because the water was cold...

"There was shrinkage...shrinkage !!"


*sorry

242 vtrtl  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:34pm

incidentally in Tucson you see Kedwards stickers on volvos and such and you see W '04 s on EVERY dang work truck in town...

there's lots of contruction up in the north where I live and I would say that bush OWNS the general contractor/plumber/electrician/framer/rocker vote.

243 sharona  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:37:39pm

You guys remember the a$$clown who knocked over the kid at the Atlanta Braves (?) baseball game in order get at a foul ball, and the resulting furor that ensued?

I'm trusting in you guys to make sure that this guy is memorialized in much the same, humiliating way.

244 gronksped  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:38:20pm

Mr. Parlock is a realtor in Barboursville, W. Va., and is the father of 10 children, one (at least) of whom serves in the Army National Guard. [Link: www.herald-dispatch.com...] - search for Parlock. Wish I'd been there to knock that union thug a new piehole.

245 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:38:25pm
246 Eagle  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:38:39pm

#94 Idiot Troll

You say

It certainly doesn't excuse the actions of the cowardly bully responsible, but Dad bears part of the burden for putting his daughter in harms way.

Since when has a political rally become "harm's way"? Has expressing an opinion recently become a "dangerous venue?"

Your statement reminds me of a conversation I had once with a Muslim. He tells me the Hijab (face covering) is a good thing cause it prevents men from becoming "excitable" and "out of control". In other words, as the Muslim guy could be paraphrased "the woman bears part of the burden for putting herself in harm's way (by not covering herself up)"

Try again...

247 jmflynny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:39:38pm

#196, Determined Troll

It is clear that you are not excusing what happened. And it is clear that you refrain from the bile that is frequently spewed by those more easily referred to as 'trolls'.

And, I agree...those, on either side who resort to such behavior are reprehensible.

I believe what triggered the reaction to your comment was that, rather than simply addressing the incident at hand, you felt the need to point out See? It's not just us...

Wrong is wrong, and tit-for-tat (intended or not), usually doesn't sit well.

248 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:39:39pm

D Troll,

I have a child that age and if you think I would wander into a Bush-Cheney thing with him on my shoulders proudly sporting my "Commies for Kerry" button and Bushitler sign your sadly mistaken. It would be foolish and incendiary, it would be my right but not all that bright.

Here's the thing: I can give you just about 99% guarantee that NO ONE WOULD TOUCH YOUR CHILD.

Capiche?

I really don't care whether you feel comfortable posting here or not.

The issue is the little girl and the barbarity on display.
It's not about YOU or your feelings. You're certainly free to them; and we're free to react.

And then you're free to go off and sulk or whatever.

249 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:39:41pm

#225 Sarah D.

The Speedos will only restrict your drinking circumfrence...better without.

Instead of going off on a tangent about the "better without" I'll just say, I've been drunk in more places than Ed!

250 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:39:49pm

Bernie, it's Renee :)
Steve said you were hooked and Don just rolled his eyes and said, " Renee is saying every few secs, come look at this."
hehehehehehe

251 Glen Wishard  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:39:54pm

andthenblammo!:

IUPAT=International Union of Painters and Allied Trades,

I sure hope that's what it is, and not IUPA, the International Union of Police Associations.

252 LSD  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:40:23pm

#196 Determined Troll


I understand what you're trying to explain, but here's the harsh reality.

Most Americans, through the threat of being massacred by religious death-worshippers- are now very
deliberate when it comes to determining "right" from "wrong".

The man and his kids had every "RIGHT" to be there and not be molested in ANYWAY by anybody.

That is what freedom is all about.

It's really that simple.

No offense.

253 armytramp  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:40:44pm

I'm having flashbacks.

My dad was a good decent man who was a cop in the South at a time when that was a thankless and horrible job...as if it isn't now.

For $3,000 a year, he got unbelievably abused by people he was trying to protect (shot at, beaten stabbed in the back, etc.), and once he refused to arrest an interracial family because he did not believe that the miscegenation laws were just. He nearly got fired for this.

He put his job on the line for principle at a time when we were dead poor and were living with another family because we couldn't afford our own home. Yet, he risked our well being to do the right thing, something he has done all his life.

I have extremely clear memories of the harassment and abuse my entire family endured because my father was a "Pig". People broke into our home, threatened us, shot at our house... the puny little house we were finally able to buy in a poor neighborhood on foreclosure.

I remember being screamed at: "Your father is a pig and you're a pig and pigs deserve to be slaughtered!"

I will never, ever forget the brutal abuse the Leftists dealt out in the name of their "causes" most of which seemed to consist of being really pissed off at their parents. I doubt 5% of them would have stood for any real cause the way my father did. Most of them were spoiled white kids and never lived in an interracial neighborhood as we did.

The retort my father taught me: "You're not a pig. I'm a pig. You're a piglet and your mother is an old sow."

Worked like a charm.

I never forget that NAZI means National SOCIALIST Party. Goosestep with us or you and your kiddies will pay.

254 mossley  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:41:07pm

I wonder what the Gallup poll would be saying if it had been taken after this picture became public? Yeah, making little girls cry is going to go over so well with the American public.

Any bets on if anyone in the Democratic Party has the decency or sense of self-preservation to condemn this action? Anyone? Well, Zell Miller would probably lead the charge to find the union thug ...

255 savagette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:41:27pm

BASTARDS. Seeing this in the light of the Beslan horrors, I can see the similarities of the ultra left pigs and the fascisists of Islam. Trust me. If my husband and son were involved, my husband would have gently put my son down and kicked that guys ass all the way back to the trailer. The future looks dirty and violent-- but not because we patriotic Americans started it-- but because we CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.

256 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:41:39pm

Somewhat OT,

Powerline notes that putting President Bush's old TANG fighter pilot photos all over the media isn't helping Kerry's cause, especially with women.

LGF discussed the issue back in this thread, from late last month:

Beginning here:
#31, Isobella

Kerry camp now saying Bush wore medal he didn't earn.

My take?

See #135.

257 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:41:47pm

RWC:

You are SOOO bad!

Gawd, between that and evariste's "Black Bush" from Chappelle's show... got my ab work out today.

258 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:41:50pm

#216 militarybrat

I'm in Florida. The State of the Hanging Chad. I'm not worried about putting a W sticker on my car...if I could find one. I've noticed many people sidling away from me of late...they make stupid statements like, "Bush is sooo stupid." and I go off. "Where's your Harvard degree? If you don't have one maybe you had better stick to the ISSUES or SHUT UP!" I'm sooo pissed at this point I could care less.

If the RNC had a full car decal I'd let them put it on my car. Vandalism? That's what I pay outrageous amounts of insurance for. Not to mention the high price of ammunition.

259 RepJ  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:42:53pm

#236 Uncle Bubba

In that picture, that idiot in the background is still holding his sign upside down. So, the idiots and the thugs are for Kerry...

260 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:42:53pm

#210 J.D.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I pinged you in case you weren't aware that Randy Snyder is an H-D fotog. I pinged the other guy so he'd know where to look to see if they bother to cover this aspect of the story in the morning (since there's nothing there about it yet).

261 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:44:16pm

glwing, yes, this is a great place. 99% of the posters here are great folks. Few trolls thrown in to add a few points to everyone's blood pressure.

Glad you decided to check it out.

262 J.D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:44:31pm

reaganite

Instead of going off on a tangent about the "better without" I'll just say, I've been drunk in more places than Ed!


Is that possible?

263 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:44:59pm

#253 armytramp:

Your Dad sounds like an amazing man. If he is still alive, tell him I say thank you. If he is not, tell his resting place the same.

There aren't many cut out of that mold. I'm sure that you don't need me to tell you this, but that is a man you should be proud of.

264 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:45:40pm

#251 Glen Wishard:

Go to IUPAT's site:

See the symbol with the lion?

It's on numbnut's shirt, if you blow the picture up enough.

265 SleepyInSeattle  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:47:52pm
#103 Right Wing Conspirator 9/16/2004 08:03PM PST

I guarantee the 3-year old girl is more productive than these POS.

:D

266 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:48:28pm

#257 militarybrat

Did evariste link that here ?

Someone told me about it at work a couple weeks ago, so I started watching Chappelle again. I am definitely buying the first season DVD. 20 bucks, you can't go wrong.

267 PepSquad  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:48:52pm

#178

I agree with snellenr, Bush should invite her to the White House. Kind of the same way that 11 or 12 yr old girl was invited by Kerry to give a time-out to Cheney. (So impressive that the little Time-Out girl knew the F* word was obsence. Makes ya wonder why she didn't offer one to Kerry for flipping-off Ted Sampley.)

Ted Sampley story from Newsweek

and please don't crash the following link
esoteric-diatribe.blogspot.com

268 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:49:10pm

Gosh, and I thought that Commies for Kerry was a mutant branch of the Protest Warrior thing.

269 rosh  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:49:32pm
270 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:49:41pm

#258 Sarah D
Sarah,
You can get the magnetic ones off the net. If you feel the thugs will attack your car, use it to drive and then remove it while the car is parked.

271 unclebubba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:49:56pm

#259: RepJ

Republican Jen? I've linked to your site 2 weeks ago! I can't find a email to let you know that though...email me :)

272 geematt  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:50:04pm

just a word from a vet of and old war. if that fu* stick did that, I would seriously hurt him.
over and over.
never forget.
We will win.
sucks to be them, with all the hate they spew..
Matt
Chu Lai
RVN 70-71

273 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:50:17pm
274 jmflynny  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:51:03pm

#256

I have to agree, and although I could care less what my candidate looks like...he does look darned good in that photo: very all-american, boy-next-door.

And, he says Ma'am.

275 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:51:11pm

#262 J.D.

Is that possible?

I'm older than Ed!

276 centaur  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:51:24pm

#240..."it happened on the RNC floor"... my Gaod, and what do you think would have happened on the DNC floor had protesters snuck in and started shouting down Kerry? Oh yeah, that's right, it's only the Leftist morons who do stuff like that; Kerry was allowed to speak.
grow up. The two situations are only remotely comparable.

277 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:52:05pm
278 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:52:14pm

RWC:

He linked it on the Kofi is a retard thread. I can't watch it from this connection, and it isn't on DVD yet, so I'm out of luck. I'm really, really upset. Ya miss ONE fargin' episode!!!

On the good side, my son peed in the potty today!

279 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:52:30pm

'Nite Iron Fist. Sleep well, friend.

280 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:52:32pm

#273 Iron Fist

'night.

And for me, time to go the hells bells home...8 more hours of this BS until I will be nice and crispy sunburn...:-)

281 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:52:49pm

#273 Iron Fist:

'Night, bro.

Hope that things are well with you.

282 Elcid  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:53:28pm

Hey peeps, next Knoxville area meet up, lets consider Gatlinburg. Things are pretty calm here after most of the gawkers leave mid November...February-March is good also...a tad coolish...but we may have reason to really tie one on in those months anyway. I have my favorite place but everyone can pick and choose...but we should try to make it a two day deal, we have to stay away from weekends, traffic here on weekends is out the ying yang, regardless time of year.

And no this isn't a 'salespitch' gimmick...just a drinkfest...:). With seriousness of course.

283 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:53:36pm

#249 reaganite

Drunk in more places than Ed? I wouldn't have thought that possible. Unless of course you're older than Ed.

But that's not the point. If I'm putting down money on a bet, I want to know that the person I'm betting on is in the best of all drinking shape. You can't be that, in Speedos. They constrict. You need to be able to breathe.

So?

284 Max Darkside  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:53:39pm

I emailed the Yahoo page to the union too. Their mail server is starting to glow...

I said: "Nice job. Your union members make you look really, really bad. Is this the type of organization you are? "

285 Protagonist  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:54:11pm

My wife in now in tears after seeing that.

Thank you Democratic Party.

286 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:54:22pm

#276 centaur
I was working the DNC. The anti-Lurch protesters were assigned to a cage...

287 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:55:02pm

Off Topic:

One of the contributors to Polipundit did a little work and found that whoever led in the Gallup poll after Labor Day won the election (link).

288 Elcid  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:55:51pm

Oh and as I mentioned to Fist last night...I don't do things with my hands except cradle pistols...LOL.

289 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:56:13pm

#261
Bernie,
Been lurking here every since that day you first told me about it months ago. Finally decided to register and throw in my two cents but Charles had it closed for a time.
Yep, had a troll in another thread eariler tonight but it was kinda funny. No serious debate though. This troll just wanted to shout and fuss.

290 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:56:16pm

#219 cba

I like the cover 3Dog Night did. I like it better than the cover of "Age of Aquarius" by the 5th Dimension.

291 RepJ  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:56:31pm

askthegeneralpresident@iupat.org

iupat804@sunlitsurf.com

Here are a couple of email addresses to chat with the people at IUPAT. The first email is the head mucky muck's email, then the second one is a guy with the West Virginia chapter of IUPAT.

292 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:56:38pm

#283 Sarah D.
I'm drunk in NYC, right now, quit picking on me! ;-Þ

293 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:56:42pm

Frankly, I'm waiting for after the election to make my politics more clear. I'm thinkin' W will probably win. If he does, the head implosions will be magnificent and that will be the time to move.

I'm not afraid of physical danger to myself, but I've usually got 4 of my own kids plus a couple belonging to someone else in tow and I can't beat people off all of them at once.

I do LOVE to get in the Jesus=pacifist argument with people though. I love to mention that poor, defenseless date (fig?) tree he smote. They can never ever get past that.

294 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:57:01pm

#282

That's why I do my Pigeon Forge shopping only on Tuesdays...during the day. It's a great excuse for skipping class. Of course, I suppose there's always the backroads.

295 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:57:39pm

#270 glwing

For free? Starving student here. Just plunked down about 3K for the kid's private school education.

I was looking for free ones ;}

296 twalsh  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 6:59:25pm

That guy would have had to use some of his union acquired sick days if he had come near my daughter. Of course, in defense of the father, you know this was not the only union guy there, he was likely surrounded and would have been pummeled in front of his kids by the rest of them. That being said, it would have been worth it to wipe the smirk off his face. And we are the Neanderthals, right.

I guess thugs like this is why the dems want to insist on universal healthcare, especially "for the children".

297 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:00:24pm

#295 Sarah
Nooo (: but they were very inexpensive as I remember.
Hang on and I'll see if I can find the site again.

BRB

298 Havoc  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:00:47pm

#245 Iron Fist -- RE: #166 bring your own coupla sets of gorilla's

While I'm sympathetic to the 00 buckshot when wading into Thugland crowd -- overall it's pretty messy -- and legal.

Better to just bring the buds, Coupla sets of gorillas, taped rolls of nickels in the pocket and steel toed boots.

But if you want to hang back with 00 -- just in case as back-up, fine by me.

Last good time we had here was when the Oakland PD motorcycle team ran over the Moonbats blockading the Port of Oakland during Iraq deployment. The Mace and Handcuffs were deserved for the moonbat rock & bottle throwing.

Great irony here -- action authorized by former Gov. Moonbeam, now Mayor Jerry Brown.

Moms of protesters wailed and whined at Oakland city council for a week. Big surprise there.

299 Elcid  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:01:09pm

294 rufusalice

You betcha' there's backroads an my vehicle has been on most everyone of the damn things. So no prob, there.

300 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:02:12pm

Allah has a good riff on this:

Nice teddy, John

I think the poor guy's gonna need that teddy bear.

301 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:02:24pm

I'm not one to pick a fight, BUT...THIS WAS NOT A PROTEST EVENT. This guy took his children to see a US Senator arrive at a local Airport. He took a sign, others took signs. (Signs , signs everywhere a sign...) This was not an "organized" protest, so any guilt you try to impute to the father is most foul.

Union guy (in pic), and (DT) Delerum Tremons, eat shit and die, today please. This is America, NOT Iraq. Not 30's Germany.

I'm going to an Airshow this weekend. Would that also be the Wrong place to take my kids? Both are going??

302 The Rebbitzen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:02:36pm

I just emailed the president of the IUPAT and registered my disgust at this incident. I will also email all of my friends with this and tell them to boycott that union.

Too bad "dad" didn't have a can of mace to wipe the smirk off that thug's face.

303 twalsh  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:03:39pm

This guy is going to wish he was Dan Rather by about middle of the day tomorrow.

304 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:05:16pm

#292 reaganite

Now wait just a danged minute. You want us to bet on you to out drink Iron Fist? And you're crying about me picking on you 'cause you're drunk? In NYC?

Hey Iron Fist, when you get up in the morning, mark me down on your side!!!


:-Þ

305 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:05:17pm

#292 reaganite:

I'm drunk in NYC, right now

reag, my friend, you must learn euphemism. You musn't have any Irish in you, otherwise you would've said:

I'm in the grip of the grape in NYC, right now

;-)

306 NTropy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:05:44pm

Is that Fred Durst who did the sign ripping?

307 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:05:45pm

Where is the love and respect we should have for each other? The Left has lost it big time. I used to be Democratic. Then Green Party. Now I am registered Independent. I'm a guy, and I have a ponytail. But I do not think I will ever vote for another democrat. I have two kids. Good night. See you tomorrow.

308 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:06:12pm
309 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:06:14pm

twalsh,

you're right. The pic is literally FLYING around the net right now.

Pajamahadeen strikes again!!!

310 The Rebbitzen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:06:58pm

If anyone else wants to send the IUPAT an email, letter or phone call...

Ask the General President
Upon taking office as General President I promised to always listen to the needs, questions and comments of my fellow members. Unfortunately, we are a big union spread over two countries and I often do not feel like I get enough opportunities to personally speak to my fellow members.

Therefore, I have decided to take advantage of this website as a way to stay in constant contact with the members of the IUPAT. Although this does not replace the chance to meet and discuss issues face to face with YOU the members, I hope you take advantage of this opportunity. Look for answers in upcoming issues of the IUPAT Journal. Please include your local union or district council number, and your name. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from each and every one of YOU.

General President
James A. Williams
Send e-mail now!

NOTE: E-mail does not constitute official communication with the union. All formal communication should be written and delivered via regular mail to the attention of the General President, James A. Williams, IUPAT, 1750 New York Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20006.

We do welcome your comments and suggestions, but will not routinely reply to electronic messages. Email IUPAT Webmaster.

To Contact an IUPAT District Council or Local Union near you, view or download this PDF: IUPAT Directory.

311 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:07:54pm

Well, my da just dropped my daughter off from her CAP meeting. I showed him the pic (he thinks Rather is being unfairly attacked) and he said, "You're on a right wing site. Oh, you want to talk about violence! Let me..."

I said, "No, I am looking at this on a site of a bunch of former democrats (among others) who are pretty disgusted by this behavior."

"Well, Kerry and Edwards are not advocating this behavior. You can't judge them by it."

Have ya ever wished someone was a date tree? And for smiting powers?

312 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:08:10pm

#301 lone star

Did you see the link I left you an another thread?

313 Elcid  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:08:32pm

302 The Rebbitzen

A real mace would have been more appropriate such as these.


[Link: www.armor.com...]

314 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:10:12pm

Part of Dan Rathers legacy will be that he helped Bush win the election. How sweet is that?

315 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:10:44pm

#311 militarybrat


Yes, to both.

316 lazytart  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:10:52pm

Europhobe,

VERY.

317 piglet  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:11:20pm
Bernard, I want you to know... that I try. When Jean and the kids at the school tell me that I'm supposed to control my violent temper, and be passive and nonviolent like they are, I try. I really try. But when I see this girl... of such a beautiful spirit... so degraded... and this boy... that I love... sprawled out by this big ape here... and this little girl, who is so special to us we call her "God's little gift of sunshine"... and I think of the number of years that she's going to have to carry in her memory... the savagery of this idiotic moment of yours... I just go BERSERK! KAPOW!!!
318 AlexM  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:11:46pm

Living in NYC, all my Republican friends agree that we'd NEVER put a Bush bumper sticker on our cars or display a Bush sign. There would be almost a 100 percent chance of vandalism and perhaps even physical violence.

Somebody should park a car covered with pro-Bush signs in the East Village and watch it with a hidden camera. It would be like watching the Discovery Channel--so many hyenas coming out of the woodwork to commit acts of destruction.

And no, I don't volunteer my car for this experiment!

319 Timbre  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:12:02pm

Sentence the Union Thug to 4 years home confinement in Massachussetts for Child Abuse. He can't leave the state for any reason at all...not even for the funeral of his own mother or father.

320 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:12:13pm

#305 Cam

Ah, but an Irishman can never be drunk so long as he can hold onto one blade of grass and not fall off the face of the earth!

;-)

321 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:12:35pm

#304 Sarah D.

And you're crying about me picking on you 'cause you're drunk? In NYC?

Well the Dims do it and it seems to be working for them, right?

Oh shit, it isn't working, ummm. Bush=Hitler!!! Yeah that's it!

Why are you ignoring the real story?

322 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:12:58pm

Next time this trog gets on a job site, he'd better check:

-the ladder he's using.
-the pins on the scaffold wheels.
-not get too near the edge of the roof if he's working stage.

And not let his lunch or his street clothes out of his sight.

323 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:13:17pm

#295 Sarah
Only $2.99 here and $2 for shipping.
[Link: www.gwbushmagnets.com...]

And here is another site with more.

Couldn't help laughing at one I saw:
"Win one for the Gipper. Dont lose one to the Flipper. Bush-Cheney 2004"

324 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:14:01pm

#312 Sarah D.

#301 lone star

Did you see the link I left you an another thread?

Missed that. Left for a while.

325 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:14:10pm

#305 Cam

I'm in the grip of the grape in NYC, right now

Bah! I'm military, I'm silly drunk in yet another city!

326 Pickle  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:14:31pm

Well, at least Kerry's brownshirts aren't "digital". Al Gore would approve.

327 Havoc  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:14:56pm

#301 C'mon Lone star

You don't know much about liberal senators pandering to their "rent a mob" thug supporters in Unionsville groupthink land.

Not the place to wear a white shirt and take your little girl, that is unless you bring your own coupla sets of gorillas

That's O.K. to say so tho --- the ribs still as good as used to be at Otto's off Westhiemer ? Trying to recall Zactly where that was ...

And pass me a cold longneck.

328 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:15:46pm
329 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:17:34pm

Ummm, might help if I actually pasted in the second site, uh Sarah? And only coffee here.
Second site:
[Link: store.yahoo.net...]

330 Bourgeois Reactionary  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:18:15pm

Determined Troll #196 - "proudly sporting my "Commies for Kerry" button"

If you showed up at a Bush event with your button you would probably get 'knowing' smiles:

[Link: www.communistsforkerry.com...]

331 armytramp  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:18:21pm

#263

Thank you!

My dad is the most wonderful man in the world. Retired from the police force, he spent some years working for the Department of the Navy as a chief of security at a major navel nuclear weapons station. He spent years specializing in bomb disposal and anti-terrorism and now teaches at a police academy and consults.

He began teaching me about terrorism when I was a kid (anticipating sad future events, he used to conscript my brothers and his friends to pretend to be terrorists so his SWAT team could try to root them out of buildings), and that is where I developed my interest in the Middle East and Islam in particular.

I am known to go off on rants about Islam at regular intervals here on LGF.

Dinner table discussions at our house are always interesting.

I really don't care if this man took his daughter to a political rally or a meeting of the Red Hat Society, parents should have the expectation that their children will be able to be exposed to the political process safely, (at least in this country) and any indication to the contrary should be met with universal disapproval by anyone who claims to represent the public good.

Considering the hundreds of times we all must have seen the LLL carting their children around carrying signs and festooned with flowers, I cannot recall the last time any of these children found themselves assaulted and weeping after having their sign snatched away by a goon, nor that those around the offender stood about and showed no concern whatsoever.

Apparently, the children of evil Republicans do not endear, nor do they enjoy the protection of adults from the opposition.

332 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:18:47pm

327 Havoc

And pass me a cold longneck.


LMAO!!!

Ummm I forgot...Pleeze forgive...'hic'

How bout a turkey and coke instead???

333 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:19:00pm

OK, the story is on Instapundit, so that means it's official; the whole world knows:

Instalanche!

334 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:19:12pm

#324 lone star

Rather in 1988 is here.

335 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:19:23pm

Does anyone know what eventually happened here. Did dad leave, fight or what?

336 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:19:43pm

#328 Rayra
I can't get the individual comments to post, but try this!

337 Cam  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:20:06pm

#320 Darleen:

LOL! My uncle had that wee ditty posted in every bathroom of his farm.

#325 reaganite:

O.K. I suppose that qualifies you for an exemption...

;-)

338 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:21:14pm

334 Sarah D.

Thanks!

I will read it. Beerz to you!

339 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:21:34pm

#329 glwing

Thanks for the links!

340 unclebubba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:21:34pm

Is it too early to say that the original picture may be the most memorable of the election? Esp. with the Gallup poll tonight?

341 Mashiki  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:22:27pm

I still have no words for this. Disgusting is the best I can put on it.

I'm going to mark this as a point to turn in. G'night all.

342 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:23:28pm

I never thought I'd see a crash and burn as bad as the Reagan/Dhimmi Carter thing. 48 days to go...

343 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:23:58pm

Somebody please tell me the father put the daughter down and bitch slapped this guy all over the parking lot. PLEASE. Lie to me if you have to - I need to believe this.

344 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:24:06pm

I'm sure John Edwards will take on the assault lawsuit pro bono due to his oft-expressed empathy for children, both in and out of the womb.

Just to make up for this happening at his rally.

Why are you looking at me like that? It could happen!!!

Well, maybe not.

345 PepSquad  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:24:28pm

Yeah, what happened after the photo was snapped? Did anyone get the union-thug's name?

346 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:26:24pm

And there just happened to be no police in the area? No security? AT AN AIRPORT???

347 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:26:27pm

#321 reaganite

You sir, are quibbling*.

*Quibbling: noun; The Dictionary of Southern Sayings: avoidance, willful blindness, using drunkness as an excuse. i.e. Bullhockey.

My money is on IronFist. When's the contest?

;-)

348 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:27:25pm

OT

Brit Hume, sort of a hero intoday's media is wearing a KNIT tie. For any of you fogies like me out there...All I can say is AHHH(Homer Shriek)!!!

Pleeze, no more. They died, i threw them away in the 80's. Has to be the work of the Kerry Campaign.


Someone please yank him off the air and burn that horrid thing.

349 Rose  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:28:03pm

What was the childs father thinking off taking any small child into a situation that had the potential for violence.
Let her enjoy her childhood for goodness sake there is time enought to learn that there is something nasty lurking in the woodshed such evil trolls like Moore and terribley dangerous bad men masquerading as French Emperor

350 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:29:30pm
351 ted  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:30:16pm

Bush clear leader in poll
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — President Bush has surged to a 13-point lead over Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, a new Gallup Poll shows. The 55%-42% match-up is the first statistically significant edge either candidate has held this year. (Related item: Poll results)

The boost President Bush received from the Republican convention has increased.
By Jim Mone, AP

Among registered voters, Bush is ahead 52%-44%.

The boost Bush received from the Republican convention has increased rather than dissipated, reshaping a race that for months has been nearly tied. Kerry is facing warnings from Democrats that his campaign is seriously off-track.

With 46 days until the election, analysts say the proposed presidential debates offer Kerry his best chance to change the race.

"It doesn't look like the new consultants and strategies of attacks are the right ones" for Kerry, says Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush campaign. Kerry in recent weeks added veterans of the Clinton White House to his team and began criticizing Bush more sharply on Iraq and other issues.

Dowd says Kerry at this point would "have to defy history" to defeat a sitting president/b>

"We have seen some bouncing around in the numbers," says Mike McCurry, a top Kerry adviser, "but it is our sense that the race is moving back to a much closer race."

A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday shows a tighter contest. The survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, gives Bush a statistically insignificant lead of 47%-46% among likely voters.

The Gallup Poll was taken Monday through Wednesday.

Presidential candidates have won after trailing by similar margins. One was George W. Bush himself. In 2000, he was behind Al Gore by 10 points among registered voters in early October and then prevailed in the Electoral College, though he lost the popular vote.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was down 8 points in the Gallup Poll in late October but won in a landslide after doing well in the only debate held with President Carter.

"Sen. Kerry is like Seabiscuit: He runs better from behind," says Donna Brazile, who was Gore's campaign manager. But she acknowledges that "backbenchers" in the Democratic Party "have begun pushing the panic button."
GOTTA LOVE IT !!!

[Link: usatoday.printthis.clickability.com...]

352 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:31:00pm

#345 pep squad:

Yeah, what happened after the photo was snapped? Did anyone get the union-thug's name?

Huntington isn't a very big town. His name will become known pretty fast, hopefully when he's arrested for assault and destruction of property.

Huntington is the same city where someone fired a gunshot through the front window of the county Republican HQ as Bush was giving his convention acceptance speech.

353 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:32:10pm

#347 Sarah D.

You sir, are quibbling*.

So? If the Dims can do it why can't I?

Shit! Why are you being rational? I hate it when I can't be nuts like the Dims.

My money is on IronFist. When's the contest?

I know 3 people who can out drink me, one is one of my best friends. She has put a hurting on me many times!

The "when" is when the contenders decide to move on over to Iron Fist territory!

354 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:32:59pm
"Sen. Kerry is like Seabiscuit: He runs better from behind," says Donna Brazile, who was Gore's campaign manager.

THANK YOU DONNA!!! That's like manna from heaven to a wisecrack artiste!

Hey, John, why the long face?

355 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:33:11pm
356 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:34:12pm

#349 Rose

What was the childs father thinking off taking any small child into a situation that had the potential for violence.

You don't see the problem that it was a political rally in the USA, not Iran?

357 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:34:45pm

"Hey John, why the long face?" LMFAO

358 weepopstar  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:34:51pm
359 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:35:00pm

Hume...knit tie and all just reported that CBS affiliate in Houston has threatened to stop airing the CBS Evening News if Rather is not fired immediately... WOW!

Power to the people!!

360 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:35:01pm

Y'all see the latest polls here:
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

What do you want to bet the Kerry camp will be quotiing the tally under #3 (national adults) since that is the one where they are behind the least.

361 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:35:32pm

Somewhat OT, but one of my friends in the math dept, who does her very blonde best to stay uninformed, mentioned that several of them are talking about voting for Nader. I started to mention what a hateful, anti-Semite and general creep Nader is. Then I stopped myself, and told her I thought maintaining third parties was great for democracy. I figured it was a good time to let sleepy moonbats be. No need to break out the clue bat for that one.

362 Andrew B.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:36:02pm

Busy tonight I see...

363 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:36:11pm

#353 reaganite

You expect me to deal with you on Dem terms? Forget it.

BTW - What are you two drinking? When I got back from 4 years in Europe I could out drink everybody!!!

Now, I just out drink myself! Not getting much Trig done either.

So, is it beer or the hard stuff?

I vote for Scotch...then Cam can be a contender too.

364 Yehudit  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:36:15pm
Any Guard members here who would care to comment?

Here are some news stories and one personal anecdote comparing Bush's and Kerry's receptions. It's what you would expect, but fun to read anyway.

365 Zipedee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:36:17pm

This is freaking unreal...

Link

hat tip to Capt's Qrt's

George W. Bush, you may be the president [sic]. But I know that you lied.

I know from your files that we have now reassembled, the fact that you did not fulfill your oath, taken when you were commissioned to "obey the orders of the officers appointed over you". I know that you not only lied to the American people in 1994, but have lied consistently since then. Mr. Bush, not every serviceman except you is incompetent. When you failed to show up as ordered for duty, they simply recorded the truth. And the truth was, they didn't think you were especially important enough to jeopardize their own careers to cover for your absence by fraudulently counting you as present in any piece of documentation when you clearly were not present.

366 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:36:24pm

Well, I do feel like a huge idiot. I just figured out the play on words in

vote carrie/vote kerry

Gawd. Giving birth must seriously atrophy brain cells. I blame the husband. His fault.

Last year about this time reaganite posted that wee todd ed thingie and I said it out loud many, many times before I figured it out. My then 11 year old started laughing after time one and refused to explain it to me.

367 The Rebbitzen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:37:06pm

#313 elcid
#350 Rayra

I think the thug would have gotten "the Point"--dad could have gotten medieval on him.

On another note--you can buy an 8x10 magnetic sheet from craft stores, put your bumper sticker on it, trim it, and then it can be removable when you park in LLL areas (or need to switch cars with your college-age child).

368 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:38:05pm

#352 The Lone Platypus
7 days ago I was in Huntington,WV.

Huntington is the same city where someone fired a gunshot through the front window of the county Republican HQ as Bush was giving his convention acceptance speech.

Not true, it was the Kerry/Edwards HQ. And it was more than one shot. Let's not manufacture lies okay?

369 Andrew B.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:38:31pm

For some great insight of the current electoral status

check out: Electoral College Vote Watch

Andrew B.

370 Crill  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:39:04pm

Good grief, did anyone just watch Brit Hume detail the fall of Dan Rather? Heres a link to the awesome ebay memos he mentioned: [Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

371 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:39:30pm

#363

Apparently, Gentleman Jack is the appropriate beverage for trig. At least that's what one of my precalc students gave me after he pulled a C in my class.

372 Europhobe  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:39:40pm

I don't see the problem taking a child to a politcal rally. I may borrow a small child and wade into a moonbat convention with a Bush/Kerry sign just to start something. Hell, I wish I was this guy. rrr

373 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:40:43pm

Victory is the sweetest revenge.

I hope that Phil and Sophia Parlock get an invite to Bush's upcoming inauguration.

:-)

374 lone star  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:41:10pm

370 Crill

Yeah..But did you see the knit tie... C'mon. Tell me you don't want to be wearing those things again???

375 zipedee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:41:36pm

Sorry #365 above was written by...Bill Burkett

376 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:43:22pm

#363 Sarah D.

What are you two drinking?

One thing I love about NYC, I can get Grolsch in the local market, at a way too high a price but WTH, I can't get it at home.

So, is it beer or the hard stuff?

I rarely drink hard booze. I have a scar from 25 years ago...

377 Exdamyankee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:45:26pm

Drudge picked this story up. It's got legs now...

378 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:45:55pm

#371 rufusalice

Too much Indian in me to drink Jack. Dad told me a long time ago that we couldn't drink "fire water".

I found out how right he was.

Just the dark stuff tho. Scotch works fine.

I don't think it's going to improve my grade though!

379 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:46:20pm

#366 militarybrat

My then 11 year old started laughing after time one and refused to explain it to me.

LOL, the person I got that from was screaming it out loud in an office of 150!

380 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:46:56pm

#333-

Liberals and Islamic fundamentalists share at least one thing in common...they have both become hate-filled fascists with violent tendencies. Just listen to the unhinged rage of the Al Gore, Uncle Teddy, and Howie Dean.

381 Andrew B.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:47:25pm

Kerry supporters = a black eye

Bush supporters = a clear decisive future

382 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:48:08pm

Anybody remember rightwing moonbats who did stuff like this during Billy Jeff's regime?

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. - A City Council candidate who once brought a hatchet to a Planning Commission meeting got the attention of Secret Service agents because he distributed fliers advocating the assassination of President Bush.

The agents and a Ventura County sheriff's deputy showed up at this week's council meeting after council members learned of the fliers.

"We were concerned that if he came, we should be prepared for the safety of the council and residents," Mayor Bob Wilson said.

Daniel Avila, 25, admitted Wednesday that he handed out fliers at the city's Oktoberfest celebration stating, "President George W. Bush Deserves to Be Assassinated." The handbill also called for a sex attack on the president's twin daughters.

Avila, who didn't attend the Tuesday night council session, wouldn't discuss his motives.

"I don't want to give any clue as to whether I'm serious or whether I'm playing around," he said.

383 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:48:27pm

For those who don't know what we are talking about...

I am we todd did
I am sofa king we todd did...

Say it out loud.

384 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:48:50pm

#376 reaganite

Enjoy the Groslch! To hell with the price...you can't get it at home. Think of it as a bonus.

We still on for the keg? LOL!

385 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:49:16pm

#378

You'd think the Irish in me would cancel out the Indian in me. Again, I can't really drink more than one of anything without giggling like a school girl. Oh, wait, I'm pushing 30, and I AM still a school girl. (crap) But should you need help with the trig, I taught pre-calc for three semesters while working on the first masters.

386 militarybrat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:49:49pm

reaganite:

I still blame the husband. Actually, I was kind of known for being an airhead during my cheerleader days, so I guess that it might not ALL be from childbirth. But still...

'night all. Gotta get up early tomorrow and prepare for a pre-teen slumber party on Saturday. Will I survive to post here next week? I can't honestly say.

387 stoj  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:49:53pm

Different Pic of same incident.

Currently #3 most popular on Yahoo right now (sorry if someone else already posted).

The original one Charles posted is right now the most viewed and most emailed oh Yahoo, which says alot. I often scan the "most popular" section, both the U.S. and the World ones, and it often depresses me.

388 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:52:10pm

#382 Darleen:

Daniel Avila, occupation law student

Oh, that just makes it perfect.

389 Godzilla  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:52:37pm

Charles, OT

I like that blinking memo so much that I downloaded it to my hard drive. What are your thoughts/wishes regarding the usage of that gif?

390 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:52:53pm

#383 reaganite
For those who don't know what we are talking about...

ME!
I go to get some web sites for Sarah D and when I come back...read, read, read and I am still lost.

391 1234567  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:53:10pm

Sort of off-topic (well, not too off-topic), but did anyone see this picture of Kerry? (Note to CBS: This is not a real photo [i.e., it is fake.])

Der Demokrat Partei Fuhrer

It is simultaneously funny and scary.

--

For more information on the word fake, click here.

392 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:53:48pm

#384 Sarah D.

We still on for the keg?

Of course!

#386 militarybrat
Night!

393 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:55:08pm
394 Investigations of a Dog  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:55:27pm

#145 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

Totally! I am watching this now.

Simply breathtaking!

Academic Bias

395 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:55:32pm

#385 rufusalice

Wow. You must be pretty bright. I'm actually doing OK in pre-calc, just not in Trig. But...I moved, and got flooded, and had to evacuate, and got back in, and had to rip out wet carpet, and had to re-assemble my house...all in the first 3 weeks of class.

I'm hoping that I can catch up this weekend. I'm dedicating myself to getting this stuff. I quit my job and all to do it and finish my degree.

I'm just not a "math" person! How many times have you heard that!!!

396 Stop Hillary  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:55:45pm

I sent my email to the Union, the website is linked early on in the thread.

I linked the Yahoo photo (hope it is still there) and basically asked them to explain. Told them that the union men in my family (my mom's side were all union and all Dem electricians, plumbers, steamfitters) weren't such pussies that they would ever, under any circumstance, bully a three year old girl. I said I suspected they'd spin it but if they had another explanation for the event I'd like to hear it. OK, I took one cheap shot. Said that maybe this painting thing they were all about would attract the sort of men that would do something like this.

Will probably get Dem hate mail now for the rest of my life.

397 Havoc  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:56:27pm

Dang ! Gallup has "W" up 54-40 in a three way match-up.

He Better keep Campaigning like it's the Pew Numbers at 46-46 tho.

Hugh Hewitt has a great take on "Protect the Brand" failure at CBS. here

G'night Lizzardoids.

Been a good three week visit -- may come back and look into citizenship.

This ones for you Rayra 1 First Bay area Mushroom Cloud a Nuke ?
2 sheesh even the schools are on it

3) Dave: “Tell us about your discovery of a document entitled ‘History of 10,000-Ton Gadget’ at a rummage sale.”

G'night all y'all scaly people.

398 Andrew B.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:57:31pm

#391 1234567 

That is a bit much don't you think???

We all know Kerry wouldn't run the country in that direction...

He would just do nothing...he would worry too much about making a choice...

399 gumble  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:57:49pm

OT
New York Times article on the latest on Iraq's WMD.
Iraq Study Finds Desire for Arms, but Not Capacity

400 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 7:58:55pm

#390 glwing
Read what I wrote out loud. If anybody is near you, expect them to laugh...

401 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:00:15pm

#396

I do know that it can be really tough to catch up...particularly in a math class. So if you need help, let me know. (I'll send you an email.) Trig was integrated with the precalc classes at my previous university. I don't know how bright I am...I thought I was just bored. Of course, I AM illiterate...and I have the GRE scores to prove it!

When my business students taking my stats class tell me that they're not math people, I tell them not to disparage my math degrees by calling introductory statistics "math."

Good night, all. It was nice to be caught up with my homework enough to chat for a change.

402 Smug Monkey  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:00:52pm

#376 Reaganite

ONE of those flip-top Grolsch pints and I'm wobbly...

Just had a few the other night, tasty stuff.

403 Rose  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:02:34pm

Reaganite

#356 Reaganite

I still hold with the view that loud noisy political rallies are not the place for responsible parents to take their small children-they become very frightened by large crowds when there is much clamour and shouting of abuse and children often suffer nightmares afterwards I write with some knowledge with regard to this matter.

Even when initially peaceful, there is always potential for some loon to distrupt proceedings with dangerous or violent attacks as we witnessed here with the G 12 rallies or was it G11 when it become very hostile ,missiles being thrown and some very terrified little children.
Ps Powerline has pictures of George in his youth and of Kerry- guess whose getting the votes-
I would fly with George any day-he had the cutest smile.
They say that when you are young you have the face you inherit but at 50 you have the face you deserve- Bush has a nice smile and honest eyes- Kerry appears brain dead

404 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:02:58pm
405 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:03:07pm

#401 rufusalice

That was funny! I never plan on taking statistics!

Good night!

406 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:03:07pm

#402 Smug Monkey
My favorite, love it.

407 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:04:20pm

#383 reaganite:

Bury those phrases in the proper "authentic" document, fax it to CBS, and see Dan Rather read it on the air.

408 rufusalice  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:06:04pm

#405

Sad thing is...I never planned on taking statistics, either. And didn't until I decided to get a master's in it. It's just more practical than graph theory...and really, I needed to kill more time. ;-)

ok. really good night now.

409 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:06:37pm

#400
Ren, I did! LOL

I get the "sofa king" but the we todd did must loose something with a southern accent. Been saying it and saying it. So much, in fact, the dog is staring and wondering if his name has suddenly been changed to "we todd did."

LOL

410 1234567  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:07:25pm

#398 Andrew B.

That is a bit much don't you think???

Yes. You are right. It is a bit much. But I do fear more social programs. I'm all for helping other people, but big government and huge social programs (with lots of room for abuse [see: welfare states]) scare me.

411 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:08:59pm

#403 Rose

I write with some knowledge with regard to this matter.

This is America and you don't see a problem? I work dozens of USSS details a year. A Republican detail is "safe" a Dem isn't and you don't see the problem?

When I work in Republican towns we rarely have issues, in Dem towns we always do.

You still don't see the problem?

412 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:09:21pm

#404 Rayra

My aunt and uncle live there. Nice town. One of the safest in the country.

Though that loon probably has skewed the stats.

413 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:10:44pm
414 mommerbomber  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:13:03pm

I just email the pic to them...told them nice family values you thugs have. So nice to see a union comrade tomenting a child.

415 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:13:46pm

Users Online: 1,626
Today
Total: 148,303
Unique: 115,586
Yesterday
Total: 260,792
Unique: 191,858


Lots more online than we saw three weeks ago at this time of night. Wow.

416 Claire  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:14:15pm

Totally OT:

Who picks out Mary Matalin's wardrobe? A color blind Cruella DeVille?

OhMiGod. On Cavuto now...

417 milk & cookies with Rumsfeld  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:15:32pm

#46 Iron Fist

Damn, I wish I had been there.

I also wish you had been there ... to open a can of whoop-ass on the thug.

[demonic cackling]

418 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:17:05pm

#415 Sarah D.
I actually put a hurtin' on myself last night, I had to stay until we hit 250,000. Then I had to crash and wake up with no where near enough sleep...

419 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:17:08pm

Good night all!

420 Great White Rat  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:17:28pm

# 206 sfcswanson

Just 30 minutes ago I was treated to some LLL tolerance, knock on the door "I'm mark with the AFL-CIO. I'd like to tell you why we need to get Bush out of ofice" I politely told him I was a Bush supporter.

I take a different tack. It makes my day when the el cubos show up on the doorstep canvassing. I go out of my way to appear uninformed but receptive and curious - basically behaving like the average mindless dhimmi-voting lump. If you feed them the right prompt lines, you should be able get them to go off in a Bushitler tirade or two, or to tell you four or five times how Botox-boy saved the entire USN and his little dog too. I'll ask any non-threating question I can come up with to keep them going. About all I won't do is sign anything or open the wallet. And all the time I'm stifling a chuckle.

My theory is that every minute I get them to waste trying to win me over is a minute they can't spend profitably somewhere else. A few years ago I kept one going for 93 minutes - my personal best. I'm praying that one of them blunders up to my door this fall so I can take a shot at that record.

421 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:17:42pm

#416 Claire:

Maybe Carville helps her pick out her clothes:

"Hey, honey, I'd drag a 50 dollar bill through a trailer park for someone wearing that! Sheesh, now what did I say?"

422 Smug Monkey  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:17:43pm

#406 Reaganite

423 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:18:15pm

Night Sarah!

424 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:18:47pm

#418 reaganite

I remember you saying you were waiting for that, and that you had an early flight.

Feel better now?

425 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:19:14pm

Reaganite

I think the difference speaks to the base of each party. Dems put a higher priority on feelings as a basis of action. Republicans value rational discourse. Today's Dem party is a result of the 60's, eschewing even the most minimum standards of manners and behaviors are sneered at as "dishonest, man. Positively plastic" Good lord, the nattering at DU about Laura Bush being a Stepford wife, or that GW beats her up ... because, she's an articulate, well-groomed, polite LADY, not some Witch Hazel-haired harridan like Teh-REE-zah.

So it translates that amongst Republicans one is going to find much more traditional minded and mannered people. Slow to anger, and rarely the one to throw the first punch, let alone the sucker punch.

The Dems are now the party of the childish, and when they throw tantrums, they invariably cause damage to any or all around them or in their way.

426 Diver  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:21:03pm

Everyone is assuming he went to the airport with some sort of purpose. Has anyone considered he might have already been there since he owns a restaurant at Tri-State? Just a thought.

From the bio listing on the Herald web site:
---
Professional background: local business owner, Dairy Queen at Huntington Mall and 2650 5th Ave. and Landing Restaurant at Tri-State Airport.
---

427 andthenblammo!  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:21:52pm

Speaking of traffic:

My sister in LA hangs around a site called SmirkingChimp (I know, it's my cross to bear). I just bounced over to check users online: 130. Out of the whole world wide web, 130!! Methinks the true believers are losing faith...

428 Geepers  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:21:52pm
rufusalice ,
There are girl scouts that can out-drink me!

reaganite,
Well, some jobs encourage drinking, some that do not.

reaganite are you suggesting that Girl Scouts are encouraged to drink?! :-Þ

429 Smug Monkey  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:22:24pm

Well then...


LGF ate the rest of my comment!

I was curious if you had ever tried the Amber Grolsch Reaganite... not bad, but the "original" is still tops IMHO.

Also, have you seen Dole's statement to Kerry regarding that insipid moveon.LLL commercial?

Via Drudge, of course.

Have a great night everyone, I need to get more coffee in me for a looong night ahead. I'm managing a hotel in Asheville, NC and Ivan cometh... not so good.

430 biff  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:24:09pm

The Unions at Yale University (Locals 35 and 37) would intimidate any Union member who would vote against a strike or other union action. Members who showed up and voted against a strike would have their tires slashed within days of the vote. The last couple of strike votes (they do it every 4 or so years) were landslides cast my a minority of the membership.

431 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:27:03pm

This example of union thuggery is nothing compared to what they do during strikes. Did you know there are Supreme Court decisions that allow union thugs to commit violent crimes with impunity so long as it's part of union business?

I highly recommend this book, Betrayal by Linda Chavez, for a study in how unions have become a parasitic drain on our economy.

Betrayal

432 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:29:47pm

#424 Sarah D.
There's not many who have been here longer than me, 25 or so? Maybe more. But really, when I found my home here there were maybe 100 posters? Charles could fill in the blanks.

LGF reminds me of my new troops. They are thrown into the deep end of the pool and they barely know how to swim.

#425 Darleen

Dems put a higher priority on feelings as a basis of action.

Against 3 year olds? They are nothing but bullies.

433 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:32:02pm

#428 Geepers

reaganite are you suggesting that Girl Scouts are encouraged to drink?!

Lurch is a girl scout isn't she?

Shit, *he*?

434 Bill K.  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:33:09pm

#391 1234567

Kerry as the Fuhrer; way over the top but I loved it just the same! A bit of Objectivist humor?

435 kehenry1  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:33:40pm

Emailed to IUPA 10 mins ago:

To Whom It May Concern:

After reviewing this picture :

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

I was appalled at the behavior of your union member. It is obvious by the picture that the man in question is wearing the trademark "black and gold" T-Shirt of your union and holding a piece of the little girl's sign in his hand.

Is this what is expected of your members while supporting a particular candidate? If I hire a member of your union and support an opposing candidate, what sort of behavior should I expect? Is this professional?

I believe it would be in your best interest to identify this gentleman and reprimand him for his inappropriate behavior. Furthermore, you should issue instructions to your other members about appropriate behavior in the face of dissenting opinion. Terrorizing small children, regardless of their parent's political stand, is inappropriate, if not criminal.

An apology to the family in the photo would not be amiss. I am sure that the associated press can supply you with their names and address.

I assure you that, if this is the behavior I can expect from your union members, I will be thinking twice about hiring anyone with membership in your organization.

Concerned Citizen and Consumer
Kat+++

436 Mus Zibii  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:34:51pm
As a father of small children, I gotta say I would never put my kids in harm's way by taking them to a Kerry rally.

It was extremely dumb for him to bring his kids. I loathe seeing Libs and Conservatives taking their kids to rallies. Kids too little to understand shouldn't be exploited.

But! The f**kface who made her cry is still the villian of the story. Nothing like making a little kid cry to get your candidate elected. Not!

437 kehenry1  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:35:19pm

Hit them in their pocket books. IUPA is persona non grata. No work, no money.

438 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:35:24pm

#429 Smug Monkey

I was curious if you had ever tried the Amber Grolsch Reaganite...

I have, it is very good! I still have the first "brown" Grolsch bottle I ever drank (the day I got divorced).

439 Asher Abrams  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:35:31pm

That photo is amazing. Look at the expressions on the people's faces, too: scary.

440 Asher Abrams  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:36:46pm

Way to go Kat!

441 Asher Abrams  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:37:37pm

And now I've got to turn in.

(I am sofa king tired ... )

later lizards ...

442 Chiizzipain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:37:38pm

How many babies have been kissed by politicians during a campaign?

I love how so many people have selected to call call Mr. Parlock a idiot for taking his children to a rally in West Virginia.

But over at the Herald Dispatch you will find a picture of more parents with small children greeting Mr. Edwards off the plane.

Yea.
So.
What does this tell me?


[Link: www.herald-dispatch.com...]

443 Smug Monkey  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:38:48pm

438 Reaganite

I still have the first "brown" Grolsch bottle I ever drank (the day I got divorced).


Ummm... I'm sorry/congratulations. (I'm leaning towards congrats... heh.)

444 Mus Zibii  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:39:53pm
I feel for the little girl and cannot imagine what kind of asshole behaves like that in front of a child. But, troll that I am, I have to question the wisdom of sticking a kid on your shoulders and wading into a hostile crowd.

Yeah, gotta agree with the troll on that one. But as wrong as it is to take a kid to a rally, its even worse (for Left or Right) when assholes show up.

445 reaganite  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:41:34pm

#443 Smug Monkey
It was a good day for me.

I'm off, sleep well my friends.

446 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:41:50pm

#404

I grew up in Thousand Oaks. The current City Hall only came about in the 90's just as I was leaving the area. I'll always think of the sawed-off double pyramid across from the Oaks Mall as the real TO Civic Center. It was such a cool building but was doomed by its inadequate size after the area grew so rapidly plus it was a lost cause for becoming ADA compliant.

This structure was so cool it appeared in numerous films and TV shows. In a first season episode of 'The Six Million Dollar Man' it was a base Steve Austin had to cross a mine field to reach. The mine field was where they built the Oaks Mall a few years later.

It was also used in 'The Demon Seed' as the exterior of building housing the rogue AI, Proteus IV.

I was amazed to hear about that nut case repeatedly on the local news today. In the old days he'd be taking a long vacation at Camarillo State Hospital by this point.

447 Mus Zibii  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:43:13pm
But over at the Herald Dispatch you will find a picture of more parents with small children greeting Mr. Edwards off the plane.

Also, a good point. Bottom line, it was just plain wrong for that nutless wonder to freak a child out like that.

448 zombie  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:44:35pm
#256 Dar ul Harb
Powerline notes that putting President Bush's old TANG fighter pilot photos all over the media isn't helping Kerry's cause, especially with women.
LGF discussed the issue back in this thread, from late last month:

Actually, we were discussing this topic this morning too: I think Powerline picked up the idea from this thread on LGF, which came out about 9 hours before the Powerline post.

449 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:46:33pm

Guess what everyone?

The Herald-Dispatch, which is the local paper in the city where this took place, only mentioned this incident at the very bottom of the article about John Edwards, and apparently is not running the photo! Instead, they're running a generic shot of the Breck Girl shaking hands!

News article: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/September/17/L Ntop1.htm


Front page of today's paper (in PDF format): http://www.herald-dispatch.com/frontpage/fri.pdf

The article about John "Dr. Teeth" Edwards is at the bottom.

Think about this. The entire blogosphere is up in arms, outraged by what took place at this airport yesterday, but the citizens of the city where it happened won't even know that it occurred, unless they bother to read to the very end of the news article. And they likely won't see the photo. (Obviously, I can't say with total certainty that they won't see the photo, since the only page of the paper I have access to is the front page. But it sure isn't available on the paper's web site!)

450 Darleen  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:47:00pm

Reaganite

I wasn't disagreeing with you ... just explaining how untempered..indeed, uncivilized emotions lends itself to the bullying represented by the thug terrorizing the 3 y/o.

Sleep well, take care. I will remember you in my prayers tonight. And thank you for your service.

451 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:48:39pm

#438 reaganite

I have, it is very good! I still have the first "brown" Grolsch bottle I ever drank (the day I got divorced).

Well, I guess we now know who did the cleaning :-P


*sorry brother, that was a little too easy so I had to take it :-)

452 Smug Monkey  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:49:32pm

Excellent Reaganite, as I suspected.

Goodnight all, hopefully I won't be treading Ivan floodwater the next time I post.

Oh, on a semi-related note, I'm looking to escape Asheville and head to Everett, Washington... any LGF'ers out that way? I'd love to get some local scoopage on housing, job market, etc.

Please drop me a line- bwolfe AT gmail DOT com

Thanks all and sleep tight... this history-in-the making watching is exhausting, no?

453 TrueReliever  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:52:04pm

OT: Some info about Chomsky and Viet Nam...
[Link: jim.com...]

454 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:52:13pm
455 norar  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:55:48pm

Kerryand hot air baloon.

Kerry does know how to creat photo-opps. And Yahoo chose appropriate 'Related slideshow' too - Hot Air Baloons, what else. LOL

456 Chiizzipain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:57:30pm

OK. I admit I am slow.

I just thought I read the whole article.

A Republican family attended the rally to show support for the Bush-Cheney ticket. Phil Parlock, a Barboursville resident and strong Republican, said his family was accosted by some Kerry supporters.

"We do it peacefully and quietly to show respect. And, we don’t want to get kicked out of anything," Parlock said.

After standing on the tarmac with the Kerry supporters, Parklock and three of his children moved down to the airport road near a parking lot exit.

With Parlock were sons Phil II, 21, and Alex, 11, and daughter Sophia, 3.

Parlock said a Kerry supporter yanked a Bush-Cheney sign out of Sophia’s hands, making her cry. As they stood along the road later, someone threw the ripped-up remains of the sign at them as they passed .

I wonder did they throw anything at the rest of the children and their parents? Okay, I know they didn't.

I thought Mr. Parlock shows some great restraint as he stands there. I bet that young man behind him in the second picture, who looks like he is asking the butt face who was holding a piece of Sophia's poster, is the elder son, Phil II. Man, the man just wanted to involve his children in this election cycle. With my 20/21/23 year old children I am talking to them left and right about the election process this cycle.

457 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 8:58:14pm

#368 reaganite:

7 days ago I was in Huntington,WV.

So?

Huntington is the same city where someone fired a gunshot through the front window of the county Republican HQ as Bush was giving his convention acceptance speech.

Not true, it was the Kerry/Edwards HQ. And it was more than one shot. Let's not manufacture lies okay?

You are the one who is lying.

Shooter Targets Republican Headquarters

Friday, September 3, 2004

HUNTINGTON -- An unidentified shooter fired one bullet Thursday night into the front window of the Republican Headquarters in Huntington while the room was full of candidates and volunteers watching President Bush’s speech at the Republican National Convention.

The bullet left a small hole in the front window of the building at 1402 4th Avenue but caused no injuries. The approximately 25 people in the room said they were shocked that someone would do that but were determined to continue business as usual.

The shooting happened two minutes after President Bush began his speech at about 10:30 p.m., witnesses said.

Nice try.

458 Spiny Norman  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:02:09pm

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but I found this via Allah and Captain's Quarters:

Bill Burkett has already admitted to "reassembling" President bush's National Guard records.

George W. Bush, you may be the president [sic]. But I know that you lied.

I know from your files that we have now reassembled, the fact that you did not fulfill your oath, taken when you were commissioned to "obey the orders of the officers appointed over you". I know that you not only lied to the American people in 1994, but have lied consistently since then. Mr. Bush, not every serviceman except you is incompetent. When you failed to show up as ordered for duty, they simply recorded the truth. And the truth was, they didn't think you were especially important enough to jeopardize their own careers to cover for your absence by fraudulently counting you as present in any piece of documentation when you clearly were not present.

Now Mr. Bush, we have finally confirmed the truth concerning your failure to complete your minimum satisfactory drill participation in 1972 and 1973. Yes, you did receive an honorable discharge, and, for whatever reason, someone in Texas did cover your "six" on that one. And someone in June of 1997 also tried to cover your "six" by making sure that the counseling statements and other files, which explained the reason you were grounded, did not survive a records scrub.

In spite of reaganite's misgivings, former Guardsman, now certifiable Crank, Burkett looks more and more like our forger.

459 unclebubba  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:02:12pm
460 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:02:45pm
461 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:03:24pm

#368

Are you being sarcastic?

[Link: dailymail.com...]

I've seen this widely reported but not the version you offer.

462 kehenry1  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:05:59pm

The only problem is that they cut out part of the picture showing it was a union guy. The Huntington Herald doesn't show the picture at all.

Wanna bet these news organizations have some of these union folks in their printing sections?

Guess it wouldn't do to piss of the union guys. Never know what the paper will look like or how many print runs they might have to make because of "accidents".

463 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:11:58pm

Y'all read the article at the W. Times yet?

"She was crying; they were pushing and shoving her," said Mr. Parlock, a Huntington real estate agent. "She was scared."
Sophia is the youngest of 10 children in a proudly patriotic family.

...
Immediately, he said, the family was set upon by supporters of Mr. Edwards and Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry — "mostly the painters union guys" — who "started stealing my signs." Soon, "old women and college students joined in the fracas," said Mr. Parlock, describing himself as "strictly a volunteer, grass-roots supporter" of the president.

It ends noting complaints about Republicans.

464 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:15:34pm

#463 glwing
I think the end comments about Republicans "abuse" of protesters was an in your face comment to the LLL.

465 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:18:16pm
466 Geepers  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:20:57pm

Woman in 'President Bush You Killed My Son' T-Shirt Disrupts Laura Bush Rally

Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell, N.J., from a rally at a firehouse after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb.

While I understand her grief, is it appropriate to use your sons death to make a political point?

467 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:23:51pm

#464 Right

Perhaps :) I do believe everyone...ah, most with the exception of C-BS, are trying to be more fair and balanced since FOX's ratings are beating everyone.

I inserted the pic with my email to the union instead of attaching it.
Hate to open their email in the morning...box is gonna be full-up.
Hehehehehehe

468 zombie  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:26:56pm

Absolutely way off-topic, but good news in its own way:
Chomsky's theory of linguistics demolished by new studies.

The article actually doesn't mention Chomsky, but if you follow this stuff (as I do) you'd know that this is bad news for the Chomskyite linguists.

Now, he's wrong about politics AND he's wrong about linguistics. Nothing's left. Is he right about anything?

469 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:27:05pm

#460

More properly, the fire station is below. The old Civic Center is up on the hill with its entrance on the side street. I've forgotten some of the names but I believe the FD and the mall are on a stretch of Lynn Rd. Every time I go back to TO on business I find something odd. Like the remnants of the Park Oaks strip mall at Janss and Moorpark where the old McDonalds stands a couple hundred yards from one of those hideous new Playland McDonalds. The old one is still there, just a few hundred feet away, fenced off and serving to make for twin eyesores.

Interesting note about that scene in T2. If you pay close attention or freeze frame the scene where the semi goes into the LA River the street sign in the background is reversed. This is because Cameron disliked the angle after they did the shot but was happy with it coming from the other direction. This and other flipped scenes also meant the Peterbilt logo on the front grille of the truck was often reversed, too. The scene as shot had a dummy in the driver's position but upon flipping the film he was in the wrong seat so they digitally coppied the passenger side window, which was pretty much opaque, over to the driver side. Back then that was a major piece of heavy lift for the CG guys but it cost only a fraction of what reshooting that sequence would required. Nowadays, they do it for relatively low budget TV shows.

Yep, those film and TV appearances of the TO Civic Center were always great moments. Back when that 'Six Million dollar Man' episode was first broadcast my family had a house on Gainsborough Road less than 1.5 miles from the Civic Center, so my siblings and were going nuts watching this. Watching Steve Austin launch an attack on the our local government went over pretty well with my father, too.

470 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:28:07pm

#457 The Lone Platypus

#461 epobirs


Just a comment - reaganite is pretty well respected around here. He is not one to make up some bullsh*t story. So, either he is a little tipsy and misread your posts or he knows something that you don't. (Which, in his position is entirely possible.) Basically, he isn't here to answer your posts but I am sure that you all are just miscommunicating so I wouldn't get too snarky with him.

And on that, goodnight all. Gotta get a good nights rest...a lot of 3 year olds to harass tomorrow.

Oooops, scratch that...I am not an LLL...I have to go to work.

471 underground  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:30:15pm

#467 gl

Sorry bout the monitor...

#457 STFU

...or wind up like Minigun

472 norar  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:32:30pm

458 Spiny Norman

former Guardsman, now certifiable Crank, Burkett looks more and more like our forger.

Well, this 'crank' certainly has the same logic as CBS, i.e. Bush got honorable discharge but this fact does not suit our agenda, so let's find "proof" that there was a pressure from above to cover up for Bush whatever real or imaginable misgivings.

I actually find 'false but authentic' well suited for describing Kerry's MO with regard to his false witness statements about Vietnam and Cambodia, and hell knows what else that we don't know about.

473 elevenbravo1969  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:38:02pm

My great-aunt Ruth used to always say, "You're not really drunk unless you've sh*t your pants."

474 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:38:11pm

#471 underground
Wouldn't have missed for the world :) Too funny!

Y'all see today's Will article:
George F. Will: Kerry is a casualty of nuance-itis
By George F. Will
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, September 16, 2004
WASHINGTON — For four decades the Northeast, like the Senate almost forever, has not been fertile ground for producing presidents. And in the 10 or so minutes required to savor this column, the center of the American population will have moved another 4 inches south and west. According to the Census Bureau, it is moving thither 2 feet an hour — almost 3.5 miles a year.

Four of the five Democrats elected president since the Second World War were from Southern or border states. And the Northeastern senator at least went to the border region, to the banks of the Ohio River, for yet another "major" speech clarifying his position(s) on Iraq. John Kerry chose the Cincinnati venue where in October 2002 President Bush made his case for using against Iraq the force that Kerry voted to authorize.

click here
In Cincinnati Kerry complained there was "$200 billion for Iraq, but they tell us we can't afford after-school programs." Suppose Bush had responded:

"Oh, so that is the problem. Why didn't you say so sooner? In the interest of wartime unity, I will support adding to the current $1 billion spent on after-school programs an additional $1.5 billion — the amount you liberals say is needed. Now, senator, will you flip back to where you were 13 months ago when, talking about funding for the war, you said, we should 'increase it' and 'by whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win'?"

Kerry might then have, as liberals are wont to do, upped the ante. While the nation was reeling from the horrors of Beslan and Baghdad, he promised a North Carolina audience that as president he would create a new "Department of Wellness" to deal with problems such as house mold.

Better to talk about that menace than about those two votes he cast that seem to have been equally insincere. One authorized the use of force against Iraq. The second opposed $87 billion to fund coping with the consequences of force having been used. Kerry can say nothing in defense of the first vote that does not offend the intense Democratic activists who are disgusted by it. And he can say nothing in defense of the second vote — his genuflection to those activists, made when Howard Dean was their pinup — without offending an American majority.

Last December, when Howard Dean was rampant and Kerry was mortgaging his house to keep his campaign afloat, the conservative National Review's cover featured a photograph of Dean and these words: "Please nominate this man." Democrats' didn't, but they did nominate a casualty of the Dean Effect.

Kerry also is a casualty of nuance-itis, which is a kind of house mold prevalent in the north wing of the Capitol. Senators — unlike governors, who often sharpen issues — are forever blurring things to manufacture legislative majorities. Partly for that reason, senators rarely become presidents.

Regarding Kerry's reticence about his Senate years, Grover Norquist, head of Americans for Tax Reform and a colonel in conservatism's infantry, has a theory. It is that Kerry is crippled by having spent his Senate years as a moon orbiting Ted Kennedy's sun.

Until his 1980 failure to wrest the presidential nomination from Jimmy Carter, Kennedy, says Norquist, tacked occasionally toward the center to protect his national ambitions. But when 1980 permanently dashed those ambitions, he decided to become the Democrats' version of Ohio's Robert Taft, who in 14 years in the Senate (1939-53) became "Mr. Republican," the standard by which conservatism was measured. Five years after Kennedy embarked on becoming the standard of liberalism, Kerry became Massachusetts' junior senator and essentially followed Kennedy's footsteps.

There is more but I just love "Department of Wellness" to deal with problems such as house mold.
ROFL

475 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:40:30pm

#470 Right Wing Conspirator

Basically, he isn't here to answer your posts but I am sure that you all are just miscommunicating so I wouldn't get too snarky with him.

He did not say, "I think you might be mistaken, and here's why." He called me a liar, and provided no data to back it up. That is not a miscommunication. It is an accusation, and a false one. I defended myself against it, by providing proof that what I said was true.

Are newbies not allowed to be participants around here?

476 Scott Parker  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:44:28pm
Pajamahadeen strikes again!!!

LOL!

Can we get that on a T-Shirt?

477 TS  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:44:31pm

Charles, you should post the second picture on the front page as well, it is worse than the first one, as you can see that all the other people around were complicit in swarming around this man and his kids after the man ripped the poster from the girl.

They didn't object, thats for sure... and it looks to me as if this man was not purposely putting himself in the middle of the Kerry supporters, but that they purposely came over to him ripped the poster away from the girl and then swarmed around him and his children.

478 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:44:55pm

Where is that "help them Dems come up with a campaign slogan" when you need it.

Vote for Kerry and get a "Department of Wellness" to deal with problems such as house mold.

The more I think about it the funnier it gets.
LMAO

479 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:47:46pm

# 475 Lone,
Yes, very much allowed. I read what y'all were saying to one another and quickly admit I was not giving it my full attention as I was engaged with another conversation but it appeared to me that y'all were saying the same thing and just misunderstanding one another.
If I am wrong, I stand corrected and apologize.

480 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:48:45pm

OT: In the "permanently topped" thread that Charles has created for the blinking-memo animation, someone linked to PDF copies of the original documents hosted on USA Today. I followed the link and was shocked by what I saw.

Actually, before you follow the link to my comment on that thread, here's the direct link to the USA Today PDFs. Maybe you should view them for yourselves before you read my comment.

481 kpom  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:51:18pm

And, of course, from Democratic Underground:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

Feel the love...

---

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

...and to that I say:


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


Kids cry when they get punished, right? Well, what's the difference here - she got punished for being a proto-fascist! It takes a village to raise a child - especially when the dad's obviously not doing his job.

482 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:52:59pm

#479 glwing:

Thanks. Consider the matter forgotten.

483 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:54:51pm

#470

I'm not exactly new around here. I've been here at least as long as he has but the point is that one version of the story is widely published while the other is limited to just him. I ran a party neutral Google search to produce the link I posted. Every hit was in agreement.

Just because someone is a friendly acquaintance doesn't mean I won't require proof of remarkable claims. That would be like giving Dan Milhouse Rather a pass because he's been mostly factual in his career. Mostly isn't good enough when something important like an election or gunfire is involved.

484 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:55:36pm

Lone,
You are very welcome :)

485 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:57:13pm

For the record, I'm not new either. I just rarely posted in the past and never bothered to register under the new system until a few days ago.

486 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 9:59:34pm

#475 The Lone Platypus

No, your definitely allowed to disagree/ argue / participate...etc...

But as I said, I think that he misunderstood what you were saying and took it the wrong way. We have had a lot of people come in here recently just trying to start sh*t. (and I for one don't think that that is what you are doing, so welcome to LGF :-) )

All I am saying is that he isn't here right now and he can't defend what he said. So, going on his reputation, I wouldn't read too much into it. Personally, if the shots did go the Kerry/Edwards HQ I would love to hear what he has to say about it, because I have only seen reports of shots being fired at the Bush HQ.

487 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:00:51pm

On a less serious note, I'd like to second the nomination of Pajamahadeen as the official name for the militant wing of the Lizard Minions. Unfortunately, my computer does not have Arabic printer fonts installed or I'd try to whip up a memo in Paint Shop Pro. (For some odd reason, my computer did come with all sorts of Hindi fonts pre-installed. I guess that tells me something about its provenance -- the brand is "eMachine.")

488 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:03:27pm

*glwing drums her fingers on the desktop waiting for Throbert to post his comment*

Come on, Throbert, waaay past bed time.

489 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:06:51pm

I vote for the pajama brigade.

490 The Lone Platypus  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:07:07pm

Thanks RWC (and thanks again glwing)! I'm just worked up because I've been trying to spread this story all night (and fight LLL trolls at the same time, of course) and then I saw reaganite's post and interpreted it as vaguely LLLish itself, so I responded in kind, or what I thought was in kind at the time, anyway. I probably shouldn't have.

I'm sure reaganite will post something later today straightening the whole thing out. I didn't notice he was drinking, LOL. Sorry I responded so strongly, reaganite.

Anyway, bedtime for me. Thanks for the warm welcome all! I hope I can contribute some useful stuff from time to time!

491 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:07:50pm

Rayra,

They left out the best part:
Tim Blair on Imus Kerry segment

"I was just back in my office banging my head on the jukebox," Mr. Imus said. "This is my candidate, and ... I don't know what he's talking about."

492 Juliette  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:10:37pm

Too bad that wasn't my brother-in-law, my six-year-old niece, and my thirteen-year-old, 5-11, 150 pound, football- and hockey-playing nephew. (Obviously, the older kid knows a little something about the "throw down.")

Kid would have definitely beat Dad to the *punch.* There might be a union guy in the hospital right now.

I dream of such.

493 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:13:04pm

Lone,
That is what I thought. Y'all were both seeing the other as LLL. And both have been on troll defense tonight.
I think we are all worked up. Rather-gate has us all on "getum" high ;)

494 andrew2  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:20:13pm

That sinks it. I was going to stay away from voting this time around because of President Bush's immigration record, but I wont let thes BASTARDS get away with terrorizing a little girl with her father.

Kerry of course wont tone down the debate,or stop harping on Vietnam and his campagne has increased pressure to continue with military service non-issues. For fucking what? We've had nearly 4 years of President Bush and are aware of his leadership style and competence as Commander in Chief. Their petty garbage is turning people off in droves.

Those creeps at DNC and Kerry himself are sick sleezeoids who deserve to lose and lose big this November.

ANOTHER VOTE IN THE PRESIDENT's COLUMN.

495 The Other Les  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:25:19pm

# 481

I just posted an update on my own blog about the DU scum.

I'm in favor of giving that lot the most intense experience of socialism from the victim's point of view.

One round in the back of the head in the old Soviet style.

496 Mashiki  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:27:47pm

I tried getting some sleep earlier, maybe after I say this I'll be able to. Two things in my mind stick out first are the comments I'm seeing from the lefties on other boards...I'm sure you can find them on your own. From blind ignorance saying "It couldn't be a dem/liberal/progressive", to "he used his kid as a human shield". I've seen this on more then one board, besides DU.

The stupid little FSKERS.

The second point is OT: but related to the "Bush killed my kid lady" who interupted the First Lady's rally which has been posted a couple of times. That is, have you ever noticed how they always say it's a "kid" who is killed, even tho they are old enough to make their own choices if they want to join. Yet, when it comes to a more "adult" choice of say age of consent or voting, 12 or younger is just fine...and they are willing to call them an adult when it comes to this.

Thanks for reading, yes I'm angry. Now I'm going to see if I can get some sleep in the next couple of hours. Cheers all, and Good night...again.

497 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:30:59pm
*glwing drums her fingers on the desktop waiting for Throbert to post his comment*

I did post my comment -- click on the big blinking memo at the top of the page, and then scroll down to the bottom to see it.

But to avoid keeping you in suspense any longer, it appears to me that USA Today has replaced the relatively good-quality copies of the memos from a few days ago with harder-to-read, digitally-degraded copies.

498 Steel Rain  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:38:16pm

I swear I would have loved to have been there. I know I'm getting old and fat but dammit I can still take a punch and can still crack a cinder block with my fist. I swear at least two of those union boys would have been down and bleeding.

Dammit this sort of crap enrages me.

499 glwing  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:39:12pm

Thank you, Throbert.
Don't know, I've looked at and scrutinized so many things in the past week, my head is spinning, but you are most likely correct.

500 DCCLXX  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:40:49pm

Are we headed for Weimar Redux...

501 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:51:07pm

#480 Throbert,

You're right. They've been re-saved at a lower Adobe quality level.

#468 zombie,

Could you expound a bit more on that? How the new data conflicts with Chomsky and all that...

Thanks.

#485 Lone Platypus,

reaganite may have been messing around, but he was a bit inebriated, so he might be mistaken. The thing is it isn't normal for guy who aids the US Secret Service to purposely lie. Probably just a mistake on his part.

502 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:53:47pm

#496 Mashiki,

It's a difficult thing to argue, though. A mother might see her fifty-year old son as a 'kid'.

The fact of the matter is, however, he volunteered knowing the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things and he could get hurt or killed in the process.

I would blame the purpose who planted the bomb that killed him, not George Bush...

503 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:57:08pm

The NY Sun has a Whole Bunch of letters today (Thurs.) from folks about being persecuted Bush-supporters in NYC. The Kerryites are really rancid, aren't they?

As far as the poltroon in the photo is concerned, isn't he a real MAN? tearing a sign out of the hands of a three-year-old girl.

*spit*

504 andrew2  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 10:58:21pm
505 andrew2  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:00:54pm

I'll second that Lady of Shalott...

Hock, spit.

506 NTropy  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:01:10pm

Sorry if this has been posted butDAMN - Johnny Ramone died. According to the Chicago Boyz he was a staunch conservative too.

507 epobirs  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:10:57pm

#501

Perhaps they're becoming unhappy about the bandwidth usage.

508 bugtussle  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:22:32pm

On the bright side, a month and a half hence the goon will be in front of his TV crying like a little girl.

509 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:29:17pm
#501

Perhaps they're becoming unhappy about the bandwidth usage.

Perhaps. But if it were just about bandwidth, why not crop the images down to within a half-inch of the text blocks, and then save the smaller images at better quality? That way you reduce file size AND preserve the quality of the relevant portion of the image, i.e., the text, not the white space.

510 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:31:46pm

#507,

I seriously doubt USA Today cares a whit about the bandwidth one .pdf file creates when it goes from 110KB or so to 88KB. Even if 5 million people downloaded it, it is only an extra 152GB transferred. Their front page is 183KB alone... They're probably set up to transfer terabytes of data a month on whatever ISP they use.

It is in their interest to allow readers to see high-quality documents. They purposely did this...for what reason, I don't know, given that it is fairly obvious the documents are a forgery. May as well keep them pretty and forged rather than blurred and forged.

511 lxj  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:35:28pm

For those who find the father at fault for bringing a child to a political event I've got this: My mom was a bit of a lefty and when I was about 5, I remember going to some legislative protest about education at the Arizona state capitol. It was boring, it was hot and we were there for about three hours...the only reason I was brought was that my mother couldn't find a sitter (or my dad wouldn't let her waste a few bucks on one.) Hell, maybe he had her for some daddy-daughter bonding time, I don't know. But they have every right in the world to go to an event, act courteously, hold a sign and expect not to be assaulted or insulted.

There was a lady at DU saying the dad should be hauled in for child endangerment...think about what she implies.

512 Glen Wishard  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:37:54pm

BTW - Those IUPAT FOR KERRY shirts are new - they previously said IUPAT FOR DEAN.

A fellow sub-literate Deaniac comments:

I love you IUPAT guys. Ever since you endorsed I have seen you everywhere. Very visable presence. You know how to participate! I am a member of two teachers union!

IUPAT linked to more child abuse, CNN reports:

Dean held a raucous election night eve rally at the Orpheum Theater in Madison. He came out on stage to the tune of "On Wisconsin," his jacket off, sleeves rolled up. He picked up a little girl wearing an IUPAT T-shirt and hugged her.
513 ördög Johnson  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:48:31pm

#468 zombie 9/16/2004 11:26PM PST


Chomsky...

Now, he's wrong about politics AND he's wrong about linguistics. Nothing's left. Is he right about anything?

I'd say he was always left about everything,

514 Throbert McGee  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:50:11pm
It is in their interest to allow readers to see high-quality documents. They purposely did this...for what reason, I don't know, given that it is fairly obvious the documents are a forgery.

I refer you to the post that got my attention in the first place:

#145 girlieman 9/16/2004 07:27PM PST

82

There is no way any machine...no matter how complex...could have produced something identical to MS Word in every way...horizontal and vertical spacing, tab, centering, etc.

I think you have it backwards. The MS word document was created to resemble the original memo.

BTW, the "old" memo that flashes in the gif is not really an image of the CBS memo, but an ms word document "aged" by photoshop. In other words, it's a forgery of the alleged forgery.

The real CBS memo looks much different.


http://www.usatoday...

The MS word theory is easily disproved. In other memos, there are numerous references to 1st Lt. Bush. MS Word also subscripts the "st" in 1st, but they are normal in the CBS memos. So much for the "default" MS Word document theory.

Bold text added.

I dunno who this "girlieman" poster is, but note that he is using the low-quality images currently at USAToday's site in order to suggest that Charles faked the "CBS original" in his animation.

Now, it may be that girlieman is a malicious troll who fully understands that USAToday has replaced the higher-quality copies of the memo with lower-quality ones to preserve bandwidth.

Or "girlieman" may be an innocent doofus who has just recently begun following the story online, and is therefore unaware that higher-quality copies exist and were available on USAToday's site just a few days ago.

In either case, USAToday is helping to sow and perpetuate bogus "reasonable doubt" that the memos were recently forged.

515 addison  Thu, Sep 16, 2004 11:54:51pm

Regarding my 152GB number. It should be 105GB. Made the original calculation on a larger number.

516 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:04:27am

The Terrible Truth About Terror

What are we to make of the New York Times describing terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a "Jordanian militant?" I mean, this guy is one of the most vicious al Qaeda thugs in the world; right now he's behind much of the violence in Iraq and has been active in the worldwide terror network since at least 1990.

--

U.S. intelligence officials say there is no question that Zarqawi is associated with al Qaeda, but to the New York Times, he is a "Jordanian militant." That seems to be a rather benign description of a vicious terrorist killer, doesn't it?

The reason the Times and some other liberal media operations continue to downplay Zarqawi and, indeed, the entire worldwide terror threat is twofold: first, the liberal press does not want another pre-emptive strike against terrorists like the one the USA launched against Iraq. By denying Zarqawi was an al Qaeda guy, the liberal media can falsely claim Saddam had nothing to do with al Qaeda.

And secondly, the anti-Bush press believes that terrorism is the president's strongest issue. So keeping the very real danger of coordinated terror down is good political strategy for those who want to see President John Kerry.

That's why the al Qaeda relationship with the brutal Chechen terrorists was muted. Both Russian and U.S. intelligence say al Qaeda is deeply involved with training and funding the Chechen killers. But you wouldn't know much about that by reading many American newspapers which described the Chechen child murderers as "insurgents" or, yes, "militants."

517 1234567  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:08:21am

#480 Throbert McGee

For what it is worth, the "original" (fake) CBS documents were created 9/8/2004 6:07:48 PM and modified 9/8/2004 6:07:59 PM (11 seconds later) -- which seems normal (just assume they are the same).

However, the data in the USA Today PDF says it was created 9/9/2004 9:57:09 AM and Modified 9/11/2004 8:02:43 PM (a full 2½ days later).

FYI, the Windows operating system keeps track of (at least) three dates: Created date, Modified date, Accessed date. However, as you can see, the information embedded in the PDF file has nothing to do with the Windows operating system dates for the file itself.

To test this, save either or both of the PDF files (listed below) to your desktop. Each will have the time/date you save it shown as the Window operating system dates (to see these dates, right click on file itself and select "Properties"), but the PDF created and modified time/date (within the PDF itself) remain the same.

So there is a possibility that USA Today (or whoever gave them the revised document) did something to the file. Also, I noticed the tool used to convert/create the PDF was different for each.

The PDF producer (tool used to make PDF) for the CBS PDF was "Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversation Plug-in for Windows" while the PDF producer for the USA Today PDF was "Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Image Conversion Plug-in." Most likely they were converted to PDF on different computers. While it is possible to have tools that create PDFs using two different PDF "engines" on the same PC, it is not likely.

What does this mean? I have no clue. :) Maybe nothing. Maybe it can prove that CBS is using Adobe 5.0 and USA Today is using 6.0 (it is a crime in Adobe-land). All kidding aside, I do find it a bit odd that the USA Today document was updated 2½ days later.

And I don’t think bandwidth was the issue as to why it was updated (made to look lower resolution if that was indeed what happened). USA Today can handle mega-bandwidth. But then again, people often defy logic. Maybe making the PDF 10,000 bytes smaller helped them cut their ISP bill?

(Come to think of it, I have no idea why it was updated. Where is the DEL key? Can't find it. So you’ll have to read this now.)

To see the PDF created and modified date (and producer information) just open the PDF and press CTRL+D, then click on "Description".

CBS PDF: [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

USA Today PDF: [Link: www.usatoday.com...]

518 addison  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:18:30am

#514 Throbert,

But it is so asinine. Charles would know the right term but you can see obvious 'dithering' around the letters in the altered USA today documents that are tell-tell when images are reduced in sharpness. Look above and below each letter and you can see a 'ghost' of the letter as it has been blurred. This makes it look even more fraudulent, not closer to what a typewriter would make. Even the "dirt" and "age" marks are blurred. How useless.

I just looked at their documents a couple of days ago (same link) and they were crisp and sharp like the CBS documents. They stand in stark contrast to other authentic typewriter-generated documents USA Today has for Bush.

'girlieman' is either a shill attempting to sow falsehoods or knows absolutely nothing about imaging software, typewriters, and believes his opinion and feeling are greater than the collective knowledge of the tens of font and typewriter experts (even Adobe's chief font man announced them fraudulent) who have declared these documents forgeries.

And how could someone write "the real CBS document looks much different" when the documents Charles has been using were taken directly from CBS's website? That is the only document available to the public. Is he really that stupid to believe that we don't know and haven't known for the past six days exactly where the document came from?

I think girlieman is simply a fool, nothing more. I take it he missed the obvious spaces in the documents that were placed to obviate the auto-superscripting format (147 th, 187 th, 111 th). You know, that leads me to believe it was someone middle to "seasoned" in age who did it, as kids (20-year olds) know Word fairly well if they graduated from high school and ever had to write a couple of papers. They would immediately know to use Ctrl-Z, include space, delete a space, or disable it completely in the 'Autocorrect' dialog menu. They would not paw and manhandle their way around by adding errant spaces here and there.

519 addison  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:24:31am

zulubaby,

Do you sleep?

520 The Other Les  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:35:51am

In the dicsussion thread on this topic on the Right Wing News site some people wrote:

OT...I live in Philly, and I've seen up close the Union goons in action on election day. That's why I roll my eyes when the Dems start screaming about "disenfranchisement", when they are the masters of it.


And:

I was in Center City on election day, and it was a mess. People running up and down the streets shouting at -- not to -- passers-by that they'd "better" vote Democratic. They were actually scaring people.


So how should we deal with Leftist brownshirt actions on election day?

The first obvious thought that came to mind was to go to the polls in a group. Bring cameras (stills and video). Split into two groups, one group to go into the polling place and the other group in overwatch mode with the cameras. When the first group finishes voting they will take the overwatch position while the other group votes. In the event of a confrontation with any Leftist brownshirts the photos and video get turned over to Fox News or the appropriate Federal agency.

That's my $ 0.02

521 zulubaby  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:35:57am

addison, yes I do, a lot actually. I got home late and then my friend called and then I had to catch up on the news and then I had tea -- busy at 2:00 in the morning! :-)

Now, I'm going to bed. Night.

522 truthseeker2k4  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 12:47:13am

Mother of Soldier Killed in Iraq Shouted Down by Pro-Bush Crowd, Removed from Rally

9/16/04

HAMILTON, New Jersey (CNN) -- The mother of a soldier killed in Iraq was arrested Thursday after interrupting a campaign speech by first lady Laura Bush. As police hauled her away, she shouted, "Police brutality."

Wearing a T-shirt with the message "President Bush You Killed My Son," Sue Niederer of nearby Hopewell screamed questions at the first lady as the audience tried to drown her out by chanting, "Four more years! Four more years!"

She pressed on, refused to leave and eventually police removed her from the firehouse rally.

The first lady finished her speech, praising the administration's achievements in the war on terror and the economy.

Outside, Niederer said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"

She went on to blame the president for the death of her 24-year-old son, Army First Lieutenant Seth Dvorin. He was killed while trying to defuse a roadside bomb that exploded on him.

"My son was in the Army, and he was killed February third this year," she said.

As the Hamilton police and Secret Service agents surrounded her and reporters pressed her with questions, she held her ground, claiming "I had my ticket" to attend the speech by the first lady.

Police subsequently handcuffed her and she was led away to a nearby van. As she was escorted, she repeatedly shouted "Police brutality" and demanded to know her rights and the charges.

Later, she was charged with defiant trespass and released.

Since her son's death, the bereaved mother has spoken out repeatedly against the ongoing Iraq conflict. She is active in an anti-war protest group, Military Families Speak Out.

523 addison  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:02:14am
Outside, Niederer said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"


She had to have picked up this talking point from Michael Moore. The reality is that Congressmen and Senate politicians have statistically more children in the military than the general public. Ashcroft has a son going to Iraq, I believe.

Additionally, her 24-year was not a "child". He was her son, yes, but his mother, Mrs. Niederer did not force him to the join the military; he volunteered.

524 Jewels (AKA Julian) from work  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:06:54am

OT: German news...in helpful Klingon.

[Link: klingon.dw-world.de...]

525 JWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:18:26am

That's a good impression of John Kerry the little girl is doing!

Shame the left feel they need to make children cry to get their point across. Just shows you how desperate they are to get their 'message' out at any cost.

Sick bastards!

526 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:22:27am

I am increasingly of the opinion that labor unions are just another form of organized crime. Picking on little kids like that then being smug about it... pathetic and asinine.

As for the donks, they believe that it's more important to stop Wal-Mart from building stores than it is to stop Iran from building nukes. I hate Wal-Mart, but those priorities are just hosed.

527 Dublin vs Kerry  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:27:59am

You guys are adopting the incorrest approach with this union guy.
As with Al Quaeda operatives and Palestinian freedom fighters and Chechen hostage takers, he needs to be understood.

First, we need to empathise with his situation.
We also need to attempt to get inside his head and discover what makes him do the things he does.

Then we need to sensitively beat the living bejasus out of him.

528 Nahanni  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:33:32am

There is absolutely NO excuse for this kind of behaviour no matter how hard you Kerry supporters try to spin it.

Period.

Now...

The behaviour we are seeing out of these Kerry supporters are the acts of psychopaths. Violent psychopaths. They are truly scary. And they will get even worse.

Why?

Because they have lost.

They have lost the culture wars. Their attempts at brainwashing have failed.

Their propaganda has failed. In fact it is starting to blow up on them.

They are losing their power to influence anything in this country.

The attempts by foreigners to buy the election for them will fail. George Soros spent all that money for nothing.

They have lost their last chance of instituting their agenda on Americans by controlling the courts.

They have lost their last chance of turning the US over to the Euros and the UN.

They are so DESPERATE.

When did they lose?

September 11th, 2001.

We would do well to remember that most of the political assassinations in the last couple decades have been carried out by leftist liberal loon whackjobs.

These are dangerous people in dangerous times. We must not let our guard down.

529 Horsesoldier  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 1:56:55am

I'd like to invite the jamoke the green baseball hat to a beer and beating.

There's a new test of BLOG POWER, is there any chance we can identify this a$$hole?

530 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:00:22am

I was just reading some of the comments on the Belmont Club. One guy mentioned the Mark-19 Grenade Launcher. HOLY SHIT! This thing fires 450 GRENADES per minute. I don't know much about weaponry but that sounds really leathal. One guy with a gun can do that? If I fired my grenade launcher in Tribes or Quake that fast people would say I was cheating. I'm glad the "cheaters" are on our side.

531 deegee  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:00:29am

What is the photographic equivalent of a troll?
Let's not get too carried away by this photograph. In terms of real news value it has no more real value than the standard picture of a crying Palestinian child.

Daddy took his daughter and Bush/Cheney poster to a Kerry/Edwards rally and was very mildly roughed up by part of the crowd. I've seen far worse when supporters of the 'wrong' football team sit in the 'opponent's' section of the grandstand. Did Daddy invite the photographer so he could show how evil Democrats really are?

If Daddy had not taken his daughter no one would have bothered to take this picture. If Daddy had taken a Kerry/Edwards poster and his daughter to a Bush rally the result would have been the same.

With so many real issues in this campaign this picture is less than nothing.

532 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:01:52am

For a contrasting note, John J. Miller writes in The Corner:


Friday, September 17, 2004


MY RIDE HOME [John J. Miller]
I was on CNBC last night to discuss a subject of enormous interest to me, and the network offered me a ride home, which I gladly accepted. My driver was Bosnian; he has lived in the United States for eight years. We were together for about 50 minutes (the studio is in DC, and I live outside the Beltway), and we talked about politics, what he thinks of America, and so on. He leans a bit to the left, but mostly enjoys chatting with the people he drives around. Toward the end of the ride, he mentioned that he thinks Republicans are much more polite than Democrats. "Someone can be in the car with me for three minutes, and I'll know their party just from how they behave," he said. I told him that sometimes my wife takes phone calls from people I'm trying to interview, and always tells me who is friendly over the line. The most polite phone caller, hands down: Ken Starr. He once returned a call of mine, got my wife, and immediately apologized for interrupting "the dinner hour." (In my house, "the dinner hour" is about 20 minutes of madness involving children, toys, vegetables, messes, and quarreling over who sits where.) At any rate, I mentioned this bit about Ken Starr--and my driver turned around (we were at a red light) and lit up: "Ken Starr is the nicest man in Washington."

Compare and contrast to Hillary whacking her chauffeur on the back of the head with a Bible for not driving fast enough, or with Hillary running down a security guard at an airport in her SUV...

533 addison  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:02:57am
If Daddy had taken a Kerry/Edwards poster and his daughter to a Bush rally the result would have been the same.


No, it would not have. There is a 'class' and 'manners' divide that shows an extreme bereftness on the Left. People at a Republican rally would never harrass a little girl. It is inconceivable.

534 stefania  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:03:23am

Kerry and his protegè Hassan Nemazee (which Charles wrote recently about) has been slammed by the sued Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran,who has counter-sued this Kerry's fundraiser-The slam was made via the popular and LA-based Radio Voice of Iran (KRSI) who endorse President Bush

Movement slams Kerry campaign and Regime's apologists in KRSI Radio program

The Movement's Coordinator made some sharp criticism of
Senator John Kerry, in reference to his declared "Iran
policy", and slammed some of his few Iranian supporters and
fundraisers who are well known for their desperate
activities intending to legitimize the unpopular theocracy.
Aryo B. Pirouznia's comments, on behalf of SMCCDI, were
made in the "Views" program of the popular, Los Angeles
based, Persian speaking "Radio Voice of Iran" (KRSI) which
is hosted by the well respected Ms. Pari Saffari.

In parts of the interview and by calling Mr. Kerry as "a
dangerous flip flopper who's just seeking for election by
gaining the support of circles affiliated or supporting the
Islamic regime",
Pirouznia stated: " The Democratic
Presidential hopeful is intending to make a 'big nuclear
bargain' with the terrorist and tyrannical Islamic regime
as he has stated".

"The tyrants of the region and especially the Terror
Masters, in our country, are already dreaming of Mr.
Kerry's election
in order to increase their misdeeds and
repression of the peoples under their rules. Kerry's
irresponsible 'deal statement' and his well known promise
of 'repairing damages if elected' are considered, by the
mullahs, as a future American green light for smashing the
remain of Iranian opposition and increasing their
destructive influence in the region" he emphasized.

"With respect to good American and Iranian-American
democrats, we need to remind them that Mr. Kerry has
nothing in common with the democratic values which were
shared by good men, such as, H. Truman or JFK. All
Iranian-Americans must mobilize behind Mr. Bush
who has
publicly recognized their right for freedom and self
determination. Voting for him it's voting for a peaceful
World and the Freedom of Iran" the SMCCDI Coordinator
added.

On the Movement's litigation with "Kerry's Iranian
connection" and referring to the "Front Page Magazine" and
the "Washington Times" articles, published on this matter,
Pirouznia stated: "Our problems with Mr. Nemazee and his
friends, such as, Akbar Ghahary, Faraj-Alai, Sadegh
Nemazikhah, Susan Akbarpoour or Houshang Amir-Ahmadi who
have mobilized for Mr. Kerry's election, is nothing new. We
stood against their demagogy during the Clinton era, when
they tried to portray the Islamic regime as an Islamic
Disneyland, and we will stand till the victory of the
Iranian Nation or till our death."

"They tried to scare us, before the elections, by
threatening with a costly frivolous law suit, but the
Movement's sense of responding to its duty has made them
look like poker bluffers caught with a bad hand. Now
they're counter sued."

"The funny point is that at this time, it seems that it's
our lawyers who have to chase Mr. Nemazee in order to try
to bring him to depose in the Dallas Court. He seems to be
trying to avoid the start of the legal process before the
US Presidential elections by maybe thinking that some of
its ramifications might tarnish the Kerry campaign.

Normally, anyone having initiated a law suit, which is
supposedly intending to seek reparation from the other
party, should be eager to catch such occasion in order to
speed up the process. This is not the case with Mr. Nemazee
who seems to have more of a political goal than a request
for justice."

535 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:04:57am

Thank you, deegee, for explaining how it's okay to pick-on three-year-old girls at campaign rallies.

Now, why don't you go find a crippled kid so you can shove a stick in the spokes of his wheelchair? It's okay as long as no one photographs it, right?

536 stefania  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:05:38am

"In addition, an astonishing and alarming fact is that his
lawyers have requested that we reveal the names of our
members and affiliates in Iran. It's out of the question
that we accept such request even if we have to go to jail
in the democratic America due to Mr. Kerry and his Iranian
connection who are claiming to wish to reinforce democracy
in this country"
Pirouznia stated.

This radio interview program, broadcasted (on 9/16 PM in
the US = 9/17 AM in Iran) via satellite worldwide and
relayed in main N. American and some European cities by
KRSI's affiliated local radio stations, can be listened at:

KRSI Archive section

537 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:07:17am

#531 deegee

If Daddy had not taken his daughter no one would have bothered to take this picture. If Daddy had taken a Kerry/Edwards poster and his daughter to a Bush rally the result would have been the same.

Bullshit

538 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:22:57am

I disagree with numerous people here who have stated they would have fought back against the large union thug and his crowd of supporters. Fighting against a crowd of people is a losing proposition even if you are Iron Fist. The question is only how many people you can hurt before sheer numbers overwhelm you. When they are coming at you from every side, discretion is the better part of valor.

That man, the real one, did the right thing. I don't think the union thugs would have spared his children.

539 Pennies for Patriots  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:27:49am

# 30

I think perhaps they should change their name to the "Black and Tans" considering their tactics.

The Black and Tans. ... These uniforms led to their being called "Black and Tans," after
a famous pack of hounds. Limerick gets credit for this appellation. ...
[Link: www.irish-society.org...] Hedgemaster%20Archives/black-tans.htm

540 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:28:30am

#538 Beagle

I agree

541 dustyroadguy  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:31:12am

What do timothy mcviegh, iraqi insurgents, the DNC and the MSM have in common?...they all rely on shock and sensationalism to achieve their goals...I recently watched John O'Neill and John Kerry's debate from the Dick Cavett Show...the arguments Kerry used in that debate are, remarkably, the same as he is using to slam the President today...being 54 years old I remember vividly the hostility and division of that time in American political history...It was not fun!

It is also not representative of America today...It is a very different world, and America today...but the MSM, the DNC, John Kerry, and the Iraqi insurgents want us to believe that it is simular...that America is weak, our military cannot prevail, and that the larger goal of the democratazation of Iraq and the greater Middle East is not possible.

I fell for those lies in the sixties and seventies...I'll not fall for them again...John Kerry is just another kind of Timothy McViegh...a fool running around in a rented vehicle hauling a load of fertilizer soaked with the fuel oil of division, pessimism, and failure...don't let him park in front of your home.

542 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:37:15am

OT
Trivia question: What do...

"Alprazolam (Xanax), Diazepam (Valium), Bupropion (Wellbutrin), Citalopram (Celexa), Hydrocodone (Vicodin), Digoxin, Chlorpheniramine, methamphetamine, and cocaine,"

...all have in common?

Answer: They were in Rick James blood at the time of his death. But the cause of death was heart attack.

543 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:41:11am

Another OT from north of the border...

Still no terrorists in Canada

But, of course, his lawyers want him released.

544 rosh  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:41:40am

Good morning
If you're up right now, tune in to Washington Journal on CSPAN. Brian Lamb has a stack of "Dan Rather articles" to be discussed by fellow journalists in the upcoming 2 hours.
You'll be able to see it on the CSPAN website later on as well.

545 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:43:34am

#544 rosh

No can do. The two year old is watching The Wiggles

546 mrmarble  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 2:55:49am

my email to them:


Being a union brother in AFSCME local 1543 I find this appalling. You state that on you web site that IUPAT’s PATCH was established a foundation to improve the lives of children in need and to ensure that their futures are bright and productive. (Ref. Attached Picture) All of the IUPAT members look to me that they are taunting the child and her father, and your member on the left in the bastard that did it with a grin. IF THAT WAS MY CHILD I WOULD HAVE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOUR INBRED PIECE OF CRAP MEMBERS. Apparently you have to condone this type of behavior OR the other maggots would have intervened. And the UNIONS dare to state that the Republicans are Nazi and bringing down this country, WELL it is you and Your members with this type of behavior. I am surprised that Your member did not have any axe handles.


attached: copy of their PATCH Foundation site
attached: Copy of picture

547 Calliope  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:00:16am

Looks photo-shopped to me.

Sorry, I know its all over the web but that pic looks photo-shopped to me.

548 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:03:47am

#547 calliope

Sarcasm? It's posted on yahoo news. Click on the picture.

549 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:03:48am

Well, it's obvious that 3-year-old is a card-carrying member of the VRWC, so I guess she had it coming.
The libs must be so proud today.

550 Nancy  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:04:35am

531 deegee

Well you just gave another reason --other than his dismal congressional record not to vote for Kerry.

It's the company he keeps --such as yourself with your distorted logic that harrassment is OK because it occurs elsewhere.

No it is NOT OK.

Also, the father should NOT have "fought" back because that would have only taught the child to stoop to their level.

Unfortunately, what the child learned is that there are simply mean people out there --those who profess all this "peace, no war and love" but of course only if you agree with them.

Using the analogy that taking a child to the opponents political rally is the same as Palestinians taking children on missions and using them as human shields is insane.

551 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:04:49am

Kitty Kelly Live on 970WFLA. Sometime in the next hour.

They had Kerry on yesterday. You could heard the hosts laughing in the background!

552 Calliope  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:08:39am

#548

No not sarcasm. I didn't realize it was a Yahoo photo. It just looks funny to me. The sign in her hand.

I GUESS I'm glad its real. That is truly pathetic and the guy that did it should have his ass kicked severely and repeatedly. fgs.

553 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:08:44am

LGF mentioned on OpinionJournal again:

A nation of fact-checkers, a network in denial

554 rosh  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:08:50am
"You can have information anarchy. You have to look at who these people are. We have to put some scrutiny on the bloggers," said James O'Shea, managing editor of the Chicago Tribune.

He said newspapers need to closely examine who the bloggers are, their expertise and motivation, and "the phenomenon" in general.


Editor & Publisher

555 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:10:40am

A voting guide for Catholics.

556 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:12:35am

#552 Calliope

Agreed. It's definitely real and it's certainly pathetic. But #531 thinks it's a "non-issue".

557 jrdroll  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:17:12am
We have to put some scrutiny on the bloggers,"


'
Yea they might be KKKarl Rove's useful pawns.

559 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:20:47am

I removed the "D" from Florida. Freudian typo? From now on it's FloriRa.

560 scaramouche  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:23:06am
561 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:23:53am

Beagle,

Why is it that gravity seems to ignore some women?

562 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:25:59am

Contrast Miss FloriRa with Iran's treatment of women. 16 yr. old hanged in Iran for adultery.

Zand-Bonazzi: Well, sadly this young woman was hung in public charged with adultery. The man with whom she had allegedly had sexual relations with was also arrested but he only received 75 lashes apparently and then freed!

However, in spite of the fact that her entire family pleaded, was condemned to death. Her parents had even specifically produced her birth certificate proving that she was 16 (proving that she's not an adult) and the ruling clergy of the town of NEKA (the town where she was hung) forged papers and insisted that in fact she was 22 and that that was enough reason to hang her.

NOT EVEN her parents' word for their daughter's age was acceptable to them because when these characters put their mind to it, they will falsify anything they want in order to justify heinous acts...just like all the "stories" they've woven around the death of the brave Ziba Kazemi!


Charles has already done a thread on this sad story, but I can't find it.

563 Momzilla  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:28:15am

I am appalled that anyone would suggest that in the United States of America it shouldn't be safe to take our children to see and experience in person our constitutional right to assembly and free speech.

I suspect that this experience will profoundly influence those young children's politics and views of unions and democrats adults. That one young man has created at the least TWO future voters against his interests.

564 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:28:41am

#558 Beagle

No hurricane damage there!

565 halfastro  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:28:55am

First, I have to admit I haven't read the 500+ posts here. That being said, am I the only one that thinks it is imprudent to take a three year old holding a Bush/Cheney sign to a Kerry rally? This guy was looking for a confrontation.

566 dydx  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:29:16am

IUPAT Directory (pdf)

Above is a link to the union's contact list. Dunno if anyone has posted this yet...read about 2/3 of the posts here and didn't see it.

It's a very large list (102 ppg.) of names, addresses, phone, fax, and cell #'s of various union folk. Let's give 'em a piece of our minds. I think refusing to hire anyone from their union and letting them know it would be a great attention getter.

dy/dx

567 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:29:47am

Bad Week at Black Rock

Rather & Co. have been reduced to the point where the best they can offer in defense of the documents — which relate to Bush's National Guard service in the '70s — is someone who claims first-hand knowledge that they are fake.

I love it.

568 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:30:45am

#561 Sarah D.
I don't want to slander Miss Florida. I don't know her, and she's a home girl. But gravity does not affect saline or silicone as a general rule. I've learned this from the many movie channels we get with our cable Internet access and insomnia.

I just like the fact that our culture celebrates female beauty instead of trying to hide it or use it as an excuse for bad male behavior. No, really, that's why I like that photo. ;)

569 jonathan.culbertson  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:34:03am

I CAN believe my eyes in this photo. My brother is a union electrician who is brainwashed by the democrat rhetoric. The recession in his eyes is bush's fault. forget about 8 YEARS of freaking tax increases and 2 planes that crashed into the financial hub of the world and 1 plane that crashed into the pentagon and another plane that crashed in the middle of no where!!! NO, THESE FREAKING MORONS BLAME EVERYTHING ON BUSH!!! if ignorance is bliss, these idiots are in paradise!!! UNIONS are WORTHLESS TO THE PRESENT ECONOMY. they were good for the period after the great depression, but we're in a different world now. there's a lot of good people in the unions out there today, but the image is unfortunately ruined by the bull headed illogical irrational people who become the mouthpieces for these unions. I USED TO WORK FOR THE ELECTRICIANS UNION. ITS POLITICS AND LAZINESS. YOU GET HALF THE WORK OUT OF THE PEOPLE FOR TWICE THE PAY!!!

570 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:35:00am

More Democratic meltdown:

CBS's Bush Guard Documents Radioactive

The documents released by CBS News Wednesday September 8th must be radioactive. Otherwise, why the hysteria from President George W. Bush’s media mouthpieces like the right wing Fox News Channel and the right wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh?
The hysteria by Bush’s right-wing allies is well founded.
Because, the documents:
· show Bush as an irresponsible person, one who failed to meet his commitments to the Texas Air National Guard, and
· show Bush as a faint-hearted man, one who used his connections to duck Vietnam.

---snip

571 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:38:19am

#568 Beagle

Actually, I wasn't referring to that portion of her anatomy!!! Do they have a way to stop butts from sagging?

I guess they do. Sorry, I don't have cable :-)

572 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:38:38am
573 manee-man  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:42:04am

What this idiot did to the kid is merely a colorful version of what professors do every day across this country with their speech codes and "disciplinary committees" -- shut down disagreeable speech.

If you haven't, read Alan Kors's Shadow University (for starters). He provides a great history of the left's attempts to shut down free speech. The guy in this photo is merely one of the latest incarnations.

574 Smit  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:42:45am

OT - Al Q'da targetting the British Parliament.

Al-Qaeda 'focused' on Parliament

I really, really hope they don't hit parliament. I'm rather fond of that old gothic monstrosity.

575 Limbo Stratus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:43:16am

I see the guy in the picture has an IUPAT union shirt on. I went to their website and found this little blurb:

IUPAT, as an international coalition of working men and women, understands that our children are not only our most precious resource, but also the key to a prosperous future. We recognize the important role we can play in bringing the best into our children's lives.

Oh really?

576 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:44:05am

#570 Sarah D --- So, let me see if I understand the donk logic at work here: When you point out that a left-wing news anchor is using fraudulent documents to raise phony charges, you somehow magically make the charges real?

577 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:44:23am

#570 Sarah D.

LOL. What I find interesting is this:

But, all this leaves one question unanswered – why the hysteria at Fox? Why the panic on the right?

To me, it's not the "right" panicking at all, but the left. The right has been vocal, for certain. That's what happens when a supposedly reputable news outlet starts using fake documents on the evening news. The left would prefer that this just get ignored, of course.

This is clearly evidence of the current divisiveness when each side goes out of their way to make it look like the other side is "panicking".

The "news" is starting to look increasingly like a Michael Moore "documentary".

578 Ballistic Renegade  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:45:05am

Precisely why I have a concealed carry permit. I pitty the fool who messes with my daughter!

Self defense especially out in public is absolutely legal. The first defense it to try to get away from the problem, if at all possible.

But the law allows for judgement.

In my judgement, this is a situation where the child's life is in danger by some lunatic who thinks he can get violent with a Dad and his kid, out at a public, outdoor campaign rally.

The law also allows for adrenaline.

"When in doubt, empty the clip".

Florida laws.

At a campaign rally though, I'm sure security is pretty tight, and carrying a concealed weapon, although normally leagal, would not be permitted. Which would mean that sign that got torn up, would be fed to the POS who tore it up. Sideways!

579 scaramouche  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:45:20am

OT: Chechen 'rebel' takes blame for Beslan school massacre.

But don't worry. According to the NYT, this guy is just an angy nationalist and not allied with Islamist terror.

Speaking of language nuances, I heard a report on CBC radio this morning that Reuters is mighty peeved at The National Post and The Ottawa Citizen for changing its copy. It seems the Post balked at using Reuters' terminology which mentioned that the Al Aqsa Marty's Brigade was fighting the Israeli occupation and had the temerity to change the copy and indentify them as "terrorists". The Citizen changed Reuters description of Fallujah 'insurgents' to 'terrorists'--and is now issuing a retraction.

An irate Reuters flak insists that Reuters (identified by the Ceeb as 'the world's oldest news agency'--as if that lends credibility to its biased crap) is very careful to write stories devoid of inflammatory language. Too bad he failed to mention that Reuters has been hopelessly compromised by its el cubo world view which demonizes Israel and the US while kowtowing to sacred cows like the UN and serving as shills and apologists--intentionally and unintentionally--for the Islamists. (Sorry there's no link. Try as I might, I can't seem to find one yet.)

580 Gruen  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:46:30am

OT

Oh boy!! Ryder Cup tee off in Oak Hills (Detroit) is due shortly!!


Time to kick some serious Euroweenie but!!!

USA!

581 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:49:06am

#576 Furious J

The way I see it: They couldn't care less whether the documents are real or not. Truth is not the issue here. Doing whatever necessary to get BusHitler out of office is the issue.

BTW -

Kitty Kelly live now on 970 WFLA.

582 JONATHAN.CULBERTSON  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:50:31am

#577

The "news" is starting to look increasingly like a Michael Moore "documentary".

true!!! shouldn't he sue for plagiarism?

583 Luigi  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:50:58am

This intrensifying violence in Iraq cannot be discussed outside of the context of the presidential election. Our enemies want Kerry to win and Bush to lose. They are not indifferent.

Hello?! Anyone disagree with that statement??

They are throwing their resources into the fight right now because they know we are not launching offensive operations because we do not want to lose men during this late stage of the campaign. That would give Kerry an issue. That's why we are using airstrikes now instead of house-to-house, block by block.

When our election is over, look for a major ground offensive to take back the streets.

Our army does not disappoint in Iraq. You can bet they are using this election period to gather intel. They will use that intel once Election Day is past. And they will deliver a meaningful Iraqi election in January.

584 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:51:44am

#394 Investigations of a dog

I'm glad you watched it. I think everyone should see it.
So totally eye-opening. I got through my college years with a minimum amount of left-wing indoctrination. If this is what's going on now, and I have no doubt it is, we are in trouble.

accademic bias

585 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:54:31am

I love Thomas Sowell. His newest installment at TownHall:

Rather Not

To say that Dan Rather has often shown poor judgment would be an understatement comparable to saying that hurricanes are windy. This is the same man who flew to Baghdad to interview Saddam Hussein on the eve of the 2003 invasion, providing the Iraqi dictator with a worldwide propaganda outlet in which to promote his murderous regime.
586 joshlbetts  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:54:45am

I just sent some emails to them. Feel much better now.

587 nc28105rp  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:58:30am

#7 YEAH...did u notice their bold strategy in winning this election is the mantra
"BUSH is a liar, BUSH is a liar, BUSH is a liar" they think if they shout loud enough they can drown out everybody ... some wierd mind control approach...

John F(flipflop) Kerry is trying hard to make that point,
Al Gore is hoarse shouting that off the roof top, Harkin came out with the same thing post- Dan memo-gate Ra(hic)ther segment on the undisputable, unrefutible documentation, and then we have Big Boy Teddy joining them on the road. He did not beleive anyone was viewing CSPAN, where he was spewing the same inane stuff.

588 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 3:58:40am

#583 Luigi

This writer would agree with you.

How Bad?

589 Dublin vs Kerry  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:00:02am

#580 Gruen

It's easy for you American guys to support your own.

Spare a thought for us Europeans.

We may support our own fellow countrymen, but there's no way on God's good earth we can be expected to cheer for surrender rats and appeasement monkeys.

590 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:03:02am

Oliver North on Kerry:

War Without Spin

Rebutting some of Kerry's campaign statements...

-- "President Bush has failed to "... take the target off American troops ..." Kerry should take a few minutes on Sunday evening to listen to some of the scores of "American troops" I interviewed in Iraq just a few weeks ago. They tell a much better story than Dan Rather -- and it would give the Massachusetts senator an idea of what combat is really like. Not one of them complains about being a "target." Instead, they all believe that the terrorists are the "targets" -- and explain that they would rather fight them in Iraq than here.
-- "... equipment deficiencies," a "lack of body armor ..." What are these people talking about? Watch "War Stories" this Sunday and see if Marine Capt. Mark Carlton, wounded by an enemy RPG -- and alive because of his body armor -- would agree. The same goes for the troops. All those I was with certainly seemed to be well enough equipped to survive terrorist I.E.D.s and fight back -- using some of the best technology and equipment in the world -- weapons, UAVs, helicopters, communications ... and guts.

etc. Truth is not an issue for the Kerry camp.

591 Luigi  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:03:41am

588 Smitty

Thanks, reading...

The terrorists may realize they have open season till the U.S. election is over,


I'll add this to my bookmarks as well.

592 jonathan.culbertson  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:04:42am

#589 DUBLIN


you're purely speaking of golf. correct?

593 [Engineer]  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:06:49am

#517 1234567

They were probably faxed from CBS to USA Today thus the lower quality and the different version of PDF.

If true, that means USA Today was too dumb to download them from the CBS site and maintain the quality.

594 TMF  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:07:46am

Anticipating further bad news in Iraq, and going full throttle- Kerry knows Bush's weakness.

Here is my assessment of Kerry's Iraq position(s):

"People are dying in Iraq. Its Bush's fault. Vote for me."

All kidding aside, this is the essence of Kerry's position on Iraq.

How would he respond to a substantive question about the war, such as:

"Are our soldiers dying for a just cause"?

"Is the world and America safer and better with Sadaam gone?"

"What do you think the response of neighboring regimes is going to be if we succeed in Iraq in creating some degree of democracy there?"

595 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:08:03am

Jonah Goldberg hammers Rather this morning:

The Perils of Dan-nial

---snip

As a conservative, I'm open to the suggestion that the aforementioned critics are "partisan political ideological forces." But I doubt any reasonable person would put them in the camp of George W. Bush. Rather would sound more sane if he said Hobbits are conspiring against him.

LOL!

596 Vancomycin  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:09:46am

#46 IronFist

I'm with you (though I know you don't need the help, I'd want in on the fun that would be sure to ensue).

597 TMF  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:10:21am

By the way, the questions in #594 are strictly rhetorical.

Kerry cant/wont answer any of them b/c to do so would alienate 1/2 of his base.

598 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:11:20am

Meanwhile, Instapundit links to this Rob Reiner look-alike who, as of yesterday, at least, appears to have been terminally out-of-the-loop.

And while even Rather is admitting that there are questions about the veracity of documents purported to date back to the 1970s, this all started with Internet allegations that have since been proven untrue. The typeface and other typographical details aren't necessarily too modern to have been in the documents.
599 Smit  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:13:25am

I think this one guy on planet aidemydni has managed to merge all the conspiracies curently en vogue - and add a couple of his own.

"...the global elite have been droping chemicals in the air down upon us making it look like ... exhaust 'contrails' of jet aircraft"

Who is Really Behind the Terror! Much Info

Oh and apparently 27/09/04 is 1111 days since 9/11 & we all know how much the illuminati love the number 11.

Is conspiracy theory the new religion of the age?

600 LanceKates  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:13:27am

Last night on the Savage Nation, Someone who is an expert in fonts and such mentioned LGF a few times. Said that he has some pages that LGF links to. Does this person post here too? If so, Congrats on the Savage Nation Interview. He's not a big guest person. I think the last one he did was the Swiftboat guy who was Kerry's gunner.

LGF will see another day of GREAT activity after that broadcast from what I heard of the interview (though I couldn't finish it.

It replays in the mornings and I had to stop listening so that I could get out of my car and go to... work. [screams] ... there. i'm better now. I can start... work [screams]

601 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:13:58am

Rathergare just will not go away ;-)

Rathergate

But Dan Rather says that he will believe the documents accurate “unless someone shows me definitive proof that they are not.” Rather’s steadfastness in the face of contradictory evidence suggests the newsman would more readily believe that the memo writer traveled time to type the documents in Microsoft Word than admit the whole affair a rather crude hoax.
602 Mashiki  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:16:42am

#502 addison:

Here's the problem, it doesn't matter to a L3. They argue the same point regardless, it's sad to say that I've gone over it 30 or 40 times with 20 or so different people including those who have lost their kids in this war, Kosovo and in the first Gulf war. I'm far short of heartless, if they want to debate on it fine by me. The whole volunteer military bit doesn't matter...to them it's BDS. The first Gulf War, Kosovo...all the same boat.

This morning was a hit of insperation: Using their own ideology against them.

L3's argue that they are "all" children, or kids. It doesn't matter if it's the mother or someone not connected to them at all.

I hope that makes sense, I'm only working on a few hours of sleep here.

603 reaganite  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:16:49am

To clarify my statement from last night, here's what happened last week while I was in Huntington, WV. As usual we get briefed on the threats at any POTUS event. I made a joke about the Kerry HQ down the street when one of the local cops (with captains bars) told me that when the office opened it wasn't but 24 hours when the windows were shot out.

I hadn't heard of the Bush HQ suffering the same thing. I just relied on the word of the local police captain.

It's not often I get accused of being a L³.

604 Gruen  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:17:19am

#589
Dublin vs Kerry


LOL! :-)

It must be very hard for you allright, how can you excited when you have all these Euroweenie guys on your team.

Your Irish players are good though, Harrington, McGinley and Clarke.

605 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:19:04am

New from VDH:

See ya, Iraq?

It is always difficult for those involved to determine the pulse of any ongoing war. The last 90 days in the Pacific theater were among the most costly of World War II, as we incurred 50,000 casualties on Okinawa just weeks before the Japanese collapse. December 1944 and January 1945 were the worst months for the American army in Europe, bled white repelling Hitler's last gasp in the Battle of the Bulge. Contemporaries shuddered, after observing those killing fields, that the war would go on for years more. The summer of 1864 convinced many that Grant and Lincoln were losers, and that McClellan alone could end the conflict by what would amount to a negotiated surrender of Northern war aims.
606 Dublin vs Kerry  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:19:21am

#592 Jonathon

I was talking about golf.

However, now that you mention it, the same goes for the US versus EU.

It's infuriating when these bloated institutions and bureacrats in Brussels make general sweeping statements condemning the US or Israel. To paraphrase the LLLs : NOT IN MY NAME!

607 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:20:52am
608 Victoria (VA girl)  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:22:25am

Kerry should be so proud...the guy's got a bunch of thugs following him around.

This photo breaks my heart. I don't know who to feel worse for...the little girl or her father. The expression on his face is killing me.

609 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:23:01am

I think the dad did the smart thing. First of all, Union Thug guy is fairly big, and secondly, there was more than one union type who would have insured that even if Dad flattened union thug number one, Dad would get a beating, and the kids could have easily gotten hurt in the process.

610 cba  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:23:42am

#579 scaramouche:
I'm glad you heard that too--I sent you an irate email about it. That was what I woke up to this morning :-(

The last broadcast actually quoted the before-and-after versions of the National Post story. IIRC, the National Post used the term "terrorist group" to describe the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and said they were engaged in a violent struggle "against Israel" instead of "against Israeli occupation."

I've emailed Honest Reporting Canada.

BTW, the reporter is Evan Dyer, son of Gwynne {spit}.

611 kstagger  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:24:32am

get your VDH fix -

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

keeps Iraq in perspective

612 jrdroll  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:25:00am

#600
Newcomers' contribution can be found here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

613 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:25:08am
614 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:25:29am

A MUST read this morning!!!

John Derbyshire is the cats meow!

The Senator From Bray

I'll give you a taste:

"And war was out of fashion,

I testified to grievous wrong,

With most indignant passion.

To medals five goodbye I kissed;

A book (try finding it!) I wrote.

And now would be a pacifist

But for the VFW vote.

[Chorus] And this is true...

--snip

"Then dear Bill Clinton's fortunes soared

And liberal men were thriving.

I got myself a loaded broad

And lots of cars for driving.

No military issues rose

Past follies to unbury:

What happy, golden days were those

For lefties like John Kerry!

[Chorus] And this is true..."

Derbyshire is a national treasure!!!


While Ford and Carter struggled o'er

Our post-Vietnam confusion,

I kept low profile as a lawyer,

In public prosecution.

For in those times the public mood

Was harsh on politicians.

(While, to relieve my solitude

I sought out girls - just rich ones.)

[Chorus] And this is true..."

615 Calliope  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:25:50am

#556 Smitty-

My bad sorry.

I guess it was just too hard for me to believe anyone would rip a sign out of a 3 year old's hand, rip it up, hand it back to her and then laugh as she cried.

Christ Almighty.

Who the hell is that guy? What an utter sonofabitch. Will somebody please find out, hunt him down and beat the living shit out of him? Please?

Goddamnit this makes me so mad. I'd kick his ass myself if I was there. I don't care if he whipped me, he'd know he was in a fight before it was over.

616 gm33  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:26:46am

#531 deegee

I have to disagree whole heartedly. But I also don't think we should paint the whole dem party and unions with a broad brush.

The country is full of a-holes, regardless of party affiliation.

617 pickettj1970  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:27:17am

Okay, this has really pissed me off.

IUPAT president's contact information (snail mail is most effective, so I didn't bother with the email address):

All formal communication should be written and delivered via regular mail to the attention of the General President, James A. Williams, IUPAT, 1750 New York Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20006.

618 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:28:35am

#583 Luigi.

I think you are right.

An American defeat in Iraq only helps Kerry.

619 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:29:41am

Sorry,

Derbyshire is a national treasure!!!

was my insertion!!!

620 suntory_boss  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:29:48am

Democrat disrupts flight, gets arrested! Sues airline!

[Link: www.newsday.com...]

621 cba  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:32:47am

Continuing my train of thought from my previous post...

In this morning's edition of our local paper there's a lovely article on the front page of the City & District section about a teacher who's being recognized for his innovative approach. He has them doing all kinds of activities, assignes them different roles and has them thoroughly research the issues from the perspective of the role they've been given. They do research for about four weeks and then have the activity. That can be spending time in law courts and then holding a mock trial--one student being the judge, another the accused---or playing the role of a refugee hounded by hostile troops while trying to reach UN sanctuary.

One of the role-plays was Arafat and Sharon. Hmm, I thought, this could either be very good or very bad. As I read on in the article, I discovered that this was the teacher who'd invited Gwynne Dyer {spit}, father of Evan, to give the talk I posted about here. Dyer is a died, er, Dyered, er dyed-in-the-wool anti-American anti-Israeli idiotarian. Go to my post (in the link) to see some of the crap he was telling the students.

I'm spitting mad about all this.

622 Gruen  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:36:03am

Jeez, I had my Zonealarm set to max protection so I couldn't see the picture...

Disgraceful, upsetting a child like that is unforgiveable. The guy standing next to her Father just looks like a total imbecile, just look at the goofy expression on his face, probably has an IQ of about 10. Think Moose from Archie...

The Dad's expression speaks volumes, utter dismay at this hatred and bewilderment at living in a democracy with freedom of expression and speech yet unable to come out and support your political choice without being physically abused. Is this what America has come to??

Also speaks volumes that the father is the only respectable looking gentleman there...

623 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:36:34am

Schnitt has the father of the little girl on live in a minute.

Schnitt

624 Midwest Pundit  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:36:59am

ALERT...

Did anyone else see the picture Instapundit linked to...

It looks like it may be from the Kinko's ...

The crackpot who faxed CBS???

625 Shaikh Kaffir  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:39:21am

Tell 'em how you feel:

Politics@IUPAT.org
askthegeneralpresident@iupat.org
mail@iupat.org

Painters and Allied Trades District Council 53

Charleston, WV
PHONE: 304-343-8250
FAX: 304-343-8260
115 Spring Street
Charleston, WV 25302
B.M./S.T.-Clarence E. Mitchell, Sr.

PHONE: 304-232-2540
FAX: 304-232-7241
28th and Chapline Street
Wheeling, WV 26003
F.S.-Gary Kosky
R.S.-Donald M. Clark

804 North Central, WV...Mixed
PHONE: 304-539-2911
304-452-9649
FAX: 304-452-9649
161 Blue Grass Village
Morgantown, WV 26501
F.S.-Gary W. Strope, Jr.
R.S.-James A. Biser

813 Huntington WV...Mixed
PHONE: 304-453-2818
FAX: 304-453-4670
2001 Pine Street
Kenova, WV 25530
F.S.-Virginia Johnson
R.S.-David Fraley

970 Charleston, WV...Mixed
PHONE: 304-343-7413
FAX: 304-343-7540
District Council 53 Office
F.S.-Kenneth Bird
R.S.-Jeffery Good
Meets 3rd Monday, 7:

1144 Parkersburg, WV...Mixed
PHONE: 304-485-5181
FAX: 304-485-3164
512 33rd Street
Parkersburg, WV 26101
F.S.-Gary L. Harr
R.S.-Daniel J. Poling

626 texasmom  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:40:24am

I emailed the link to this story to everyone in my address book. I am so upset by this picture. I do hope that it will open the eyes of some undecided voters. Do you ever see this type of violent behavior at Republican gatherings. If so ... I haven't heard about them. But we sure have heard about all the anti-Bush demonstrators that get down right nasty and mean. This is just another example of that!

627 Cousin Dave  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:41:08am

#616 gm33:

I have to disagree whole heartedly. But I also don't think we should paint the whole dem party and unions with a broad brush.

That's true, but when their a-holes pull some kind of stunt, their response is usually to close ranks instead of policing themselves. I recall an incident locally about eight years ago. There was a strike at a tire manufacturing plant here. The union was out picketing on the main road leading into the industrial partk where the plant was, and they were harassing and intimidating people going down that road trying to force other plant workers to honor their picket line. Trouble was, there were a number of other companies in that industrial park.

One day, one of the picketers threw a cinder block through the window of a car passing by because he thought the driver was a scab. Turned out, the driver was an engineer who worked for a company down the street and had nothing to do with the strike. He receive some pretty serious head injuries. When the police tried to investigate, the dozens of union members who had witnessed the event refused to name the attacker. No one was ever prosecuted. The local issued a statement basically stating that they considered it collateral damage and that people needed to honor their picket line if they didn't want to get hurt.

(The plant has subsequently been closed because its operating costs were the highest of all of the company's U.S. installations. Cause and effect...)

628 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:41:12am

Repeat:

Schnitt has the father of the little girl on next...

Schnitt

629 Lively  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:41:20am

#621 cba
I read your link and I had the same problem last year with a world history teacher (my kid was a senior last year). I've often said if the teacher would allow it, I would record every class, transcribe the entire lecture everyday and post it on the Internet for our community to see. This guy was head of the social studies department and a raving moonbat. But I would happily give up my free time to show everyone how extreme he was.

630 FlyingTigress  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:41:31am

@227

i was sitting at a light (in suburban orange county california i might add) and i looked over to see a man in a very nice, expensive full size pickup truck mouthe the word 'bitch' to me while i was driving down the road with my 3 year old son. i knew i hadn't cut him off or anything. i was astounded! so, the foolish girl that i am, i followed him until i could pull up to him at a stop light and ask him what his problem was. he proceeded to point towards the back of my car where my stickers are, and scream at me, "you are, you racist bitch!", sending me into fits of laughter at his maturity. unfortunately, i sunk to his level and flipped him off while laughing at him.

That's good. I had a similar situation on I-5 two weeks ago. The rear window of my mini-van has a few stickers that don't pass "PC" scrutiny for the local home of "demand diversity and tolerance "... i.e. Seattle. Stickers indicating my support for our troops (a personal salute to the I Corps troops and Stryker brigades and McChord AFB airmen from here in Pierce County WA from this former USAF brat) and our President, and that indicate that "I am the V.R.W.C." Right above the **ahem** rainbow license plate frame.

Five CHILDREN whose apparent comittment to respectful discourse on societal issues of interest, and their emotional IQ, dress, and grooming habits will likely relegate them to be dispensing their opinions about "Living Wages" and the inevitable triumph of the oppressed proletariat and International Socialism -- along with espresso in their position as "cart barristas" -- well into their golden years began to cruise past me in their 'beater' when the young man in the passenger seat flipped me off as they began their approach in the HOV lane.

Not counting on my good peripheral vision, and a head turned slightly to the left at that moment, they were greeted with a hand gesture confirming their message (anyone who could tell me the hand gesture equivalent for the radio message term "...over"?) as their car passed me.

The look on the face of a child whose "flip-off" is immediately returned -- while on the freeway... was worth a considerable amount.

However, my being ready for them when the HOV lane, which at that point peels away through an interchange, returns to being right alongside the 'fast lane'...

...Priceless.

I wish that I could say that their repeat performance got "two thumbs up", but, it wasn't my two thumbs.

Proud daughter of an awardee of a Silver Star for REAL valor in the skies over Occupied China, and a Purple Heart for MAJOR injuries....

631 American Infidel[deleted]  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:42:07am
632 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:43:58am

#624 --- It's a joke, guy, it's supposed to look like Dick Cheney... although it looks more to me like Do from the Heaven's Gate Cult.

Link: "Abilene Kinko's Surveillance Photo"

633 alegrias  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:44:56am

Looks like the mob is ready to stone the little girl for adultery--do these dhimmis already practice Shariia law?

634 jonathan.culbertson  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:45:44am

#606 Dublin

its good to hear that people feel the same way overseas. i like europeans as a whole, it just frustrates me when those like chirac try to intervene for financial gain

635 Lyana  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:46:31am

I have a HUGE amount of respect for that dad. Resisting the instinct to rip that thug limb from limb was probably one of the hardest things he's ever done.

That said, I've seen alot of blather about him actually taking his kids there. Sorry, but the world is ugly, life is hard, and the sooner my kids understand that and work through the accompanying fears, the better off they'll be. Life is risky; I think this whole "innocence of childhood" thing is a carry over from the Victorian era. I'm not going to overload them, but I do give them exposure in little bits and talk to them in age appropriate ways, about what is going on in the world. Then I'm there with them, helping them work through the fears that come.

I can't say how sorry I am that this little girl experienced this. But saying that she'll be scarred for life just plays into the vicitm mentality of the left. You know what I think will happen? Her family will come around her, love her and help her to work through it. Yes there will be nightmares (and woe to the one who caused them!). But she'll be stronger for it and I'm guessing that she'll be a huge proponant of civility in political discourse.

636 RickZ  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:48:05am

# 523 addison:

The reality is that Congressmen and Senate politicians have statistically more children in the military than the general public.

I was at the Army-Air Force game at West Point in 2002. The Air Force kicker was named Joey Ashcroft, the Attorney General's nephew (A.G. Ashcroft attended the game). So it may not just be only politicians' children, but nieces, nephews, and cousins, too. Basically, real Americans standing up for America.

637 BeckoningChasm  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:50:40am

Disgusting asswipes. Just look at all the faces--the grinning sack of shit on the left (naturally), angry woman in the back. And that worried dad and sad little girl.

I hope this picture explodes across the internet, just like the damn memos. Love to see Kerry deal with this crap from his supporters. I can hear it now: "I condemned those actions, before I applauded them."

638 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:52:37am

#580 Gruen
If you know Ryder Cup history, and I do, we always get killed in the first day fourball matches.

I like the Europeans' team spirit myself. Our guys complain about not getting paid or the golf course far too often. It makes me laugh when the 'best golfers in the world' complain about a golf course that some 36 handicapper pays a 50K initiation fee to play daily.

#571 Sarah D.

Do they have a way to stop butts from sagging?

Youth, number one. But (hah) the best way to do it if you don't have a youth machine is excercise. Running, squats, and other leg exercises help the ravages of time, and children. Squats are the best all-purpose butt / leg exercise. The best part is that you can do them with no equipment.

639 gm33  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:53:59am

#627 Cousin Dave

Point well taken.

Similar situation where I work (business park). They were doing construction on some new buildings and used non-labor forces. Well they picketed and blocked the entrance causing traffic jams all the way back down the highway to Boston (from Quincy if you know the area).

99% of the people that needed access to the park had nothing to do with the construction. Oh, by the way there are three medical buildings, senior centers and cancer clinics in that park as well. Way to go boys!

640 pickettj1970  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 4:57:26am

Here is the letter I am sending out, with photo:

Sept. 17, 2004
To: Painters and Allied Trades District Council 53
From: X
Re: Your member’s assault on a 3 year-old

Dear Sir or Madam:

I would like to know what specific actions your union is going to take against the individual on the left side of this photograph:


If you are not familiar with this, the fine young ‘man’ in an IUPAT t-shirt tore up a 3 year-old’s Bush/Cheney sign on Sept. 16 in Huntington WV.

I submit to you that action against this person is warranted. What kind of so-called ‘man’ assaults a 3 year-old, regardless of political affiliation? Do you see the sadness in the girl’s face and her father’s, contrasted with the pleasure in the face of the ‘man’ in the IUPAT t-shirt?

Is this the kind of image you wish to be associated with your union? Please know that this photograph was the 3rd most requested photo on Yahoo on Sept. 16. It is all over the Internet. That is plenty of bad publicity for IUPAT.

Respectfully, I suggest you take strong, public action against the person who committed this assault.

Thank you.

Sincerely,


X
117 Teaberry Dr.
Winchester VA 22602

641 LanceKates  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:02:08am

640 pickettj1970

Nice. But its too bad that the union itself doesn't care. Oh, they might do something to save face, but they'll probably laugh at the letter they get from 'those right wing extremists'... I've always said that you can judge the nature of a person by how they drive, and the worst drivers i've ever seen have a "proud to be union" sticker on the back of their cars/trucks.

642 armytramp  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:02:16am

After reading the filth at the DU, we now know the following:

While denying utterly that any Kerry supporter would EVER do ANYTHING like that, the DU also acknowledges that political rallys are dangerous events and that a Republican supporter who takes a child to a Democratic rally is in danger.

CHILDREN WHO DO NOT GOOSESTEP WITH THE DEMS ARE IN DANGER. Clearly, even the DU zombies realize that they are violent people and no one who disagrees with them is safe.

The children of Republicans are the victims of CHILD ABUSE, because they are being brainswashed by evil people and are likely to grow up evil. The DU folks offer two solutions: KILL THE CHILDREN OF REPUBLICANS OR TAKE THE CHILDREN AWAY.

Is anyone else scared of the National Socialist Party yet?

While I am relieved to see that everyone at the DU doesn't agree with this rhetoric, that so many do is completely horrifying.

And that these Dems are so deluded as to believe that NO Dem would ever do such a thing, that it MUST have been a set-up, etc, have none of these people ever been to a rally or merely walked down the street in NYC during one as an innocent bystander? Merely wearing a suit is cause enough to be harassed.

I was in LA a couple of years ago and a bunch of thugs were having another "peace" rally. I was lined up with a group of friends outside the Hollywood Athletic Club for a party. We were all dressed up with someplace to go, though few were rich. We were there for a celebration and many of the people at that party were on vacation, most of them just rank-and-file middle class.

However the "peace" demonstrators saw a line of folks all gussied up in what were often gowns bought at Target and not on Rodeo drive, the abuse heaped upon those in line for the party was un-fucking believable.

It is clear just from the comments of the DU that not only are the Dems more than capable of any low kind of violence, but a not insignificant portion of them widely encourage it while the rest walk around in a fog of denial, like the wives of alcoholics and drug users: all ennabling and excuses.

If a DU zombie responds violently at a rally and won't let others speak or disrupts an event, then gets themselves escorted out by police while the DU zombie violently thrashes and slugs, it is abuse on the part of evil Republicans, even though it is no secret that the LLL even publishes handbooks about how to cause as much trouble and damage to the opposition as possible, with explicit instructions about how to get violent enough to be arrested.

If a child and family of Republicans who are doing nothing at all but holding up signs even have the temerity to appear at a Kerry event, they deserve every bit of abuse they get.

Ok.

Got it.

643 Gruen  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:02:46am

#638

Indeed Beagle, everything is going to the usual plan, Euro's up in 4 matches and will probably take the lead today as usual.

But then the US always fights back in the Foursomes and then always comes strong in the singles.

The Euro's do seem to have a good team spirit allright and seem to be pretty generous in defeat, that last time the US won on US soil, both teams got the same bus to the dinner and had a great night. (There was two buses, one for each team, but the Euro's piled in with our guys which was a nice touch)

644 Studsup  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:08:10am

#554 rosh -- [From the article you linked} "But, like Ryerson, Clifton warns that many blog readers can fall into the trap of believing anything presented well. "The bloggers cover an incredible spectrum of credibility and authenticity, just like newspapers," he said. "We have the National Enquirer and The New York Times and a lot in between."


That's right, there is the National Enquirer which checks facts and there there's the NY Times which invents them.

645 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:09:35am

#465 Rayra

Kerry is such a LIAR! and he gets a free-pass to be a liar just like Dan Rather.


IMUS: They can't get this equipment for these troops if people like you won't vote for the funding though.

KERRY: We did vote for the funding. We voted for the funding. I voted for the largest defense budgets in the history of our country. And I voted— this is long after the war, that $87 billion vote. The war had started. These people were sent over there without the equipment and they still don't have the equipment. And I've met families across America who are struggling, you know, they go out and they hold a bake auction or they do some charity effort in order to buy the armor on the Internet, send it to their kids. That's not the way you send young Americans into war.

646 Victoria (VA girl)  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:12:10am
Sorry, but the world is ugly, life is hard, and the sooner my kids understand that and work through the accompanying fears, the better off they'll be.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Yes, the world is an ugly place. But we have much more time to experience the ugliness than we do a child-like faith and trust. We need to allow our children to enjoy that as long as possible.

647 mrsoc  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:15:04am

Is this Edwards hitting the little girl? I imagine someone is holding her arms back-he's too chicken to hit a girl otherwise.
[Link: www.wesroth.com...]

648 sonofdad  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:17:05am

Typical, predictable, about what you would expect from here.

This guy is a serial victim, this is the THIRD presidential election in which this guy claims to have been attacked, assaulted, bullied, etc. Phil Parlock is a Republican stooge out to create a scene, and will probably end up with a cushy job somewhere on the RNC payroll. Charles has dutifully swallowed hook, line, and sinker-while omitting details that do not fit his agenda.

Was Charles similarly outraged when a protester at the Republican convention was thrown down and kicked?

Like so many of the stories here, there is no real news value, it is simply calculated to create maximum shock and anger. Every day a new outrage, a new boycott. It's the same formula Bill O'Reilly uses-he does not report news, he simply gets people agitated to attract attention to himself and bark out his own views.

No shortage of loyal minions who swallow it up...

649 Chuckg  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:19:44am

Really, you people are nauseating. Positively nauseating.

Explain the union thug holding the piece of the sign, then. Explain the picture. Explain why the AP caption writer confirmed what happened, the Associated Press being known Bush partisans and all.

It's not just his word vs. theirs, nimnul -- they're on camera.

650 Sarah D.  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:20:08am

#648 sonofdad

And you're going to back up your statements with the pertinent links correct?

651 Smit  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:20:21am

The DU Threads if you can bear it.

IMPORTANT!!! The Rethug w/ Little Girl

A little girl started crying when people ripped up her Bush/Cheney sign

HA HA HA Kids cry when they get punished, right? Well, what's the difference here - she got punished for being a proto-fascist! It takes a village to raise a child - especially when the dad's obviously not doing his job.

He later apologised, and some the posters seemed upset with him & called him out. - Good for them.

652 Pickle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:22:25am

#648 sonofdad

No shortage of loyal minions who swallow it up...

Obviously no shortage of vicious, evil, leftist thugs to accomodate Mr. Parlock by assaulting him, either, is there? I mean, honestly, do you people have any self-control?

Silly question. Leftism is all about abdicating one's self-control and personal responsibility--as your post illustrates well.

653 oldtimer  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:23:33am

It's mid-morning and the blogosphere hasn't identified this cretin yet?

654 ShanNYC  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:25:00am

It's true. Apparently this guy has been quoted by the press in three straight presidential campaigns, claiming he was accosted by Dem supporters:

[Link: rising-hegemon.blogspot.com...]

I.e.:

Charleston (WV) Daily Mail, August 27, 1996, Page 3C


Phil Parlock's experience was less calm.

The Huntington man said he was knocked to the ground by a Clinton supporter when he tried to display a sign that read "Remember Vince Foster," the deputy White House counsel who committed suicide in a Washington, D.C., park. His death has become the subject of much debate among Clinton opponents...

Charleston (WV) Daily Mail, October 28, 2000, pg. 1A:

Phil Parlock didn't expect to need all 12 of the Bush-Cheney signs he and his son Louis smuggled in their socks and pockets into the rally for Vice President Al Gore...

655 lxj  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:27:08am

Hmmm...


If its true about this guy being "victimized" three elections in a row, I would have alot less sympathy for him.

He still has the right to go to such an event and not be harassed but...methinks he might have been out looking for trouble.

656 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:29:25am

#648 sonofdad --- You leave out one pertinent detail, if the Kerry supporters had not behaved like jerks, then there would be nothing to report, now would there?

657 Pickle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:29:25am

The most disgusting thing about the left is how they blame their victims for their acts of thuggery. No matter who Mr. Parlock was, it doesn't excuse attacking him with a child on his shoulders. So much for the kind, peaceful, loving left--willing to assault a three year-old.

658 blutto43  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:29:49am

'They are throwing their resources into the fight right now because they know we are not launching offensive operations because we do not want to lose men during this late stage of the campaign. That would give Kerry an issue. That's why we are using airstrikes now instead of house-to-house, block by block'--Luigi

If this is what is truly happening,we will NEVER prevail in this long term conflict.
No matter how professional and dedicated the forces we deploy are,if politics is the determining factor,we will be defeated. As the occupying power we have the duty to provide as much security for Irais as we can reasonably do,and to fail to do so is wrong both legally and morally. If re-taking Fallujah makes military sense then we should be doing so NOW,not in December.It strikes me that the American people would understand casualties in pursuit of a defined goal much more so than the death by inches we are engaged in now for no APPARENT purpose.
My guess,however,is that the Iraqis are still not able to bring themselves to the point where they realise that the Sunni areas must be re-conquered not co-opted.My only hope is that this re-evaluation takes place SOON before the whole place slips into anarchy.

659 John Q Infidel  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:30:42am

#648 sonofdad

A picture speaks a thousand words, my friend, and this case, each word that picture betrays is hateful, vulgar, and inappropriate.

Perhaps it’s customary where you come from to rationalize, intellectualize, and justify assault against children, but even if your accusations were true, there simply is no justification for what clearly occurred in those photos.

660 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:31:13am

#635 Lyana

I predict that litte girl will grow up to be the next Ann Coulter.

661 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:40:50am

#628 Sarah D.

Did you hear the whole interview?

662 gm33  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:42:46am

#657

The most disgusting thing about the left is how they blame their victims for their acts of thuggery.

That's quite an oxymoron, but true. They represent No accountability. Drug users are victims, child molesters are victims. But when a 3 yr old get's attacked at a Dem rally, there is no victim.

663 LemonJoose  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:44:36am

Sean Hannity if you are reading this...don't you think this poor little girl needs to be cheered up by being asked to be a guest on your TV show? ;) Republicans are nice to little kids. Democrats are a bunch of meanies.

664 proud_american  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:45:28am

This should be on the front page of every paper in America. People should all stop and take a breath and realize that this kind of behaviour is what is destroying this country from within. Civil discourse is dying or is dead, people seem to be unable to discuss differences without throwing a "tantrum" to get there way.

This guy needs his ass kicked really bad. I bet he went to "time out" instead of getting a good beating as a child.

LOL

665 Boy Hits Car  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:45:32am

I'm sure Islamic Chechan terrorists are applauding at the sight of this picture.

666 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:46:51am

I live in Rhode Island, which is a lost cause as far as Bush is concerned. I'm very reluctant to talk about politics out in the open, as I'm outnumbered about 6 to 1. This state (except when Reagan won it in '84) always goes to the Donks.

It's like walking through Boston while wearing a Yankees jersey and cap.

667 Danno  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:47:23am

#648 sonofdad

You just don't get it...

LLL's have no real argument. They just can't stand reason, facts, or the opinions and views of those that disagree with them so they respond with hysterical conspiracy theory laced rants and actions. In this case, an incredible disrespect for a man with his children.

A clear thinking person would let the man with the Bush/Cheney sign be escorted out (if his actions demand it) by the security hired for the event, and let him look like the ass in front of his kids instead of ripping apart his sign and wind up looking like some union punk.

But I guess that goes against the LLL principles.

668 Charles  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:47:43am

sonofdad wrote:

Was Charles similarly outraged when a protester at the Republican convention was thrown down and kicked?

No.

669 Kevin Shook  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:48:33am

Be weary of the story. It appears that this has happened a number of times to this gentlemen and his family. See the link Jonah has on The Corner at NRO.

670 armytramp  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:49:44am

Uh, people who go to counter protest often get harassed and thwacked. Just a drop on by the Protest Warrior site should easily confirm this.

I would not at all be surprised if this guy has counter protested before and I would not at all be surprised if this guy has had at least a dozen unpleasant encounters with rowdy leftists.

Hell, I got yelled at by some whacko in the parking lot of Farm Fresh a few months ago because I was wearing a USA t-shit. It said nothing but USA. The guy started screaming, "You should be wearing a shirt that says PEACE!" I didn't think he was being very peaceful about it.

I have related at least a half dozen encounters on this thread from my own personal experience with leftists. I have no doubt that many others on this forum could meet or beat that number.

Just because someone has been harassed by leftists does not mean they are rabble rousers or liars, unless my going to Farm Fresh wearing a USA t-Shirt was some sort of right-wing demo, going to an LA party two years ago was a slap against the poor masses, or simply walking down the street in NYC two years ago meant I deserved to get hollared at.

Check out [Link: www.protestwarrior.com...] for True Leftist Terror Tales, many caught on camera, unless you think that all of those people and their video and camera proof of the extreme behavior of the Leftists is just some scam. Repeatedly, Leftists try to steal signs, push, harass, hit and try to have the counter protestors arrested, even on public streets where they have every right to be.

671 BeckoningChasm  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:50:43am

I note that the father and two kids are identified by name and age.

I'd LOVE to see the asshole sign-ripper so identified.

672 Lyana  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:51:46am

#646 Victoria (VA Girl)

I guess the way I think about it is that I highly value truth. Kids tend to be observant and ask hard questions - how do I answer them? We had an abused mom and her kids living with us for awhile; few of the kids around us have both parents. Good friends are in the miltary, and friends' grandparents die. How do you explain those things to a 5 year old? While I'm not going to go into adult detail, I'm also not going to just pat them on the head and say "Don't worry about it." It's the reality they're living in.

673 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:52:17am
Is this Edwards hitting the little girl? I imagine someone is holding her arms back-he's too chicken to hit a girl otherwise.

no, Edwards is a little girl. Figuratively, of course.

674 giusd  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:53:02am

Hello,

Boy hat sure is a hatefull, mean, bully guy in a union tee shirt who is making that nice little girl cry. Boy union dems are just mean. What you say it is a scam and little green footballs looks as silly as CBS because Phil Parlock and his daugther are serial trouble makes. Well how do you explan that nasty union guy who has pieces of the sign and made the poor, sweet little girl cry. WELL, that little girl should tell her brother in the union shirt to STOP making her cry.

YES boys and girls that is Phil Parlock son on the left with peices of the bush chaney sign. Nexts little gree footballs will be post fake memos. Come little green footballs post a retraction. It is now 1 day and still no retaction for this web page. What you say, no retraction. Dan Rather looks a lot better today.

dg

675 tommy  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:53:52am

If I practiced in W. Va., I would be glad to sue the thug for civil battery. Ripping the sign from the child's hand is a classic, black letter example of "offensive touching". I assume under W. Va. law such an intentional tort would also permit the recovery of punitive damages. Surely there is a lizard plaintiff's lawyer in W. Va. who would take case, or at least sponsor me for admission pro hac vice.

676 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:56:28am

674 giusd

Ah! The family resemblence is so striking!

I'm sure you have some links to back up your assertion.

Right?

677 Desso Studios  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:56:53am

#674 - giusd

Ok, threads?

This is the blogoshpere, after all.

WE FACT CHECK.

678 Lyana  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:56:58am

#660 papijoe

LOL! Now THAT would be poetic justice!

679 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:57:32am

#674 giusd

WTF are you yammering about?

680 BH  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 5:58:36am

Remember that picture from the seventies, where that guy was swinging the American flag at the black guy?

This dirtbag doesn't realize what he's done. This picture will haunt him for the rest of his life.

681 giusd  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:00:29am

Just look for your self. The middle front row in the grey tee shirt. Boy he sure looks like the mean old union guy. Sophia bother is a very bad man.

Seriously, we should all call this what it is. Some Wacko guy who uses his family to get on the news. Weird. The Bolgsphere should hand this guy his head.


[Link: atrios.blogspot.com...]

dg

682 Charles  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:00:34am

The source for the accusation that the man on the left holding pieces of a torn sign is Parlock's son comes from ... Democratic Underground, and a left wing moonbat site that refers to us as "Little Green Snot Bubbles." Their evidence: a tiny low resolution photograph of Parlock's family and a lot of wishful thinking.

683 tommy  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:00:34am

Let us assume, as some have suggested, that the photo was staged: would Dan Rather agree that it is nonetheless accurate?

684 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:00:57am
#674 giusd, WTF are you yammering about?

Doing what the left does best, making excuses for the inexcusable.

In this case, it's "That guy always shows up to express dissent against our beloved party. Therefore, he and his child deserve to be harassed. Our rudeness is justified, it's his dissent that needs to be punished."

685 Bob with one O  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:01:13am

sonofdad,

Grow up, get a job, raise a family. Then come back.

686 Beagle  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:04:09am

#674 giusd

Are you saying a big brother (the asshole) harassed the little sister? If so, how does that make him less of an asshole?

687 ap0c  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:04:29am

Disturbing. Notice the lady in the rear is STILL SHOUTING? Scum.

I'm glad there was a cameraman there to record the moment for the masses.

The left is melting down folks. Imagine how they're going to act after nov.2 when Bush is elected with a STRONG MANDATE?

688 TalkinKamel  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:04:51am

#674 giusd

You're saying that three year old girl was a "serial trouble maker"?

Wow, I didn't know you Union boys were so scared of kids! Wicked, three year old "serial trouble makers"! Guess all the Union Brothers got to get out and beat up those three year old kids, before they make any more trouble, right? GOTTA SAVE US ALL, FROM RAMPAGING THREE YEAR OLDS, AND PEOPLE WHO DARE SUPPORT GEORGE BUSH! I can see it now! Armies of brave Union Brothers, fighting bravely against the "trouble making" three year old girls, who are terrorizing humanity. They could make a movie about it! "Sky Union Captain, Battles The Trouble Making Brats!"

Go to it, tough guys!

Oh, by the way---it's really not a good idea to take drugs, or get drunk, before posting.

And you're a pinhead.

689 H.D. Miller  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:05:03am

Here's another example of union thuggery, from the New Yorker.
Look For the Union Label

690 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:05:32am

#674 giusd

You registered just to post that? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

691 armytramp  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:05:45am

Hm...two brown-haired white guys.

Wow, like that doesn't apply to millions and millions of people.

Hard to tell those white crackers apart.

Loved the snide "productive family" remark.

692 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:05:51am

The AP says the guy is a Kerry-Edwards supporter, and I'm going to blindly believe the AP on this one, since the AP, like CBS news, could never be wrong about something they report.

693 Studsup  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:06:54am

#674 - giusd -- "What you say it is a scam and little green footballs looks as silly as CBS because Phil Parlock and his daugther are serial trouble makes."

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head. Those "serial troublemakers" -- got to just beat the crap out of them at every opportunity. I hate it when conservatives try to peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights by holding signs containing dangerous thoughts, as if they had any rights the we should be bound to respect anyhow! Republicans are fascists, they are obstacles to the movement of humanity towards justice and equality, and the more of them we can silence the better. Our union brother had a chance to render a three year old fascist comatose and instead only ripped up her sign. He'll have to do better next time.

694 Right Girl  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:07:54am

Glenn Beck is currently talking about this story and he's about to add something to the story that he says he just saw in an A/P report. Mysterious. I hope it wasn't staged or something to that effect. I'm listening up right now.

695 giusd  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:08:07am

No i am not calling anyone an asshole more or less. All i am saying, really, is this is staged and this guy goes around doing this every four years. And much like CBS, the bolgsphere should hand it to him.

That is why the blogsphere is more powerfull than the free press. It is like thousands for computers all connected and no one can get the best of us.

This guy is a fake and we should call him that just like Rather and if he fool this and other pages they should be the first ones to call it the way it is. If not we are like the free press.

david

696 Charles  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:08:39am

Here's what these people consider a "credible source:"

Rising Hegemon: The Bogus Assault -- Father Freeper of the Year (should buckhead not be able to serve).

Remember this when the Cornerites and Little Green Snot Bubbles spout off and try to make this a big story...especially in the wake of the known abuse protestors get at the regular "Triumph of the Will" functions that comprise a Bush Campaign appearance.

697 Desso Studios  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:12:20am

I want copyright infringement BUCKS!! I was "SNOT BUBBLE" back when I played Quake 2. Anyone remember beating the sh#t outta me?? LOL

698 Lysander  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:12:28am

My comment to that Union:
(Used the "email this picture" link on yahoo)


Is this part of your self-styled"'Army of Black and Gold' as we attended political events," or an example of real-world brownshirt techniques?

Lysander

699 JonB  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:14:45am

As for the story about the father having been in this situation before in two other election campaigns...

So?

1. Some people are very stubborn in their belief that "it was just an isolated incident". Maybe the father actually believes that deep down inside people are good.
2. Perhaps he feels he is a fool for believing all the peacy lovey BS spewed by the left, and now has this picture to remember in the future just how wrong it is to "give them another chance", just like the lefties shout about.

The liberals keep bitching about "Don't judge us based on two or three individuals you read about or see on TV, it's not fair!! wah wah wah".
Yet, in typical leftist fashion, they are starting to complain about this father having taken his kids to *ding ding* 2 previous election campaign rallies. And they expect him to make a judgement based on just those 2 events.

Smells like typical lefty hipocracy to me...

700 the continental  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:14:51am

Look at the geniuses on this forum try to rationalize and defend this assault.

fyi, this forum (mainly a designer forum) easily rivals the moonbats at DU. Do a search for Bush or any of the political threads to see full blown BDS in action.

701 Bob with one O  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:15:26am

OK, so if I know the Dems don't want to see me or my I love W sign, I should just not attend their rally because some of them may become incensed and lose control?

What kind of underwear do Dems wear? Boxers or briefs?

Depends.

702 TalkinKamel  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:15:27am

gsud & Sonofdad

It doesn't matter if the guy is a "serial victim." It doesn't matter, even if he's going out of his way to bug you! (And I think we'd need better evidence than DU rantings, to beliee that.) YOU TAKE IT UP WITH HIM! YOU LEAVE THE KID ALONE! AND YOU DON'T GROWL ABOUT "THREE YEAR OLD TROUBLEMAKERS!"

What's next? Assaulting babies born to conservative parents, because they might grow up to make trouble?

And. . .

If this man and his daughter had been ignored, or, even, (gasp, shudder) treated courteously, you guys wouldn't be in the mess you are now, would you? You did have that option, you know!

Makes John Kerry look real good by the way; you're really doing a lot to help your Vice-presidential condidate, aren't you?

703 Crusader  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:15:29am

#674:

Hello asshole.

Goodbye asshole.

704 jmflynny  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:16:12am

#648 and #669

Whether Parlock is out to get attention or not is not the issue.

And, if it were, his success would simply underscore the ease with which someone can work the left into a frenzy.

The truth is, most people who had been attacked at an event, would likely not attend again. He did.

Is it simply possible that this man believes strongly enough in his convictions that he refuses to lie down and shut up?

705 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:16:29am

AP rewriting history; this is the caption from the "2nd" picture:

Sophia Parlock, 3, cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, a supporter of President Bush (news - web sites), after a Bush-Cheney sign she and her father were holding was torn up by another person standing in the crowd that had gathered to greet Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), D-N.C., Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004, at the Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va. At right, is Alex Parlock, 11, Sophia's brother. (AP Photo/Randy Snyder)

So the "Kerry-Edwards Supporter" is now "another person"

Hmm..

706 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:16:47am

Is the "Dad" a professional protestor who seeks out union thugs, knowing they will confront him?


I'd be his biggest fan, but when he puts his children at risk to do it, well, thats not so good.


Of course, whether this guy is some kind of professional Republican counter-protestor or not, the union guy is still a Marxist thug asswipe.

707 nightintheruts  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:17:54am

guisd

understood and agreed...no matter which side we may be on...if the guy really did have this staged, then he is wrong. And we, as the new media, have to see it for what it is.

however, if it is not staged, then God help that sob in the union shirt...

708 joshlbetts  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:18:19am

Where's the link to the actual article or a pdf? And not to the post. That's the difference between LLL and LGF.

709 bender  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:19:43am

Apparently this family is a family of serial complainers.

IM not going to read the thread, but im pretty sure that these guys are bunkum.

Not a big deal - its still an interesting story ;)

710 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:21:15am

#681 giusd

The union guy is obviously in his 30's at least, and has a pronounced cleft chin and 5 o'clock shadow. Parlock's son is 21, no visible cleft (it is a low res picture) and looks like he shaves every three days. Not even close.
And you don't explain how Phil would have gotten a union t-shirt that fit his son.
And if a 3 year old can cry on cue like that I'd say she has a career in Hollywood waiting for her.
Time to get a new razor, Occam.
Yours isn't cuttin' it!

711 BH  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:21:27am

Y'all don't start getting all Rathery, attacking the messenger on this. Determine whether this is a scam or not, and denounce it if it is. Personally, I would be relieved to know this was a setup.

Seems to me, though, that it would be hard to stage something like this with a small child. If the guy that tore her sign is her brother, wouldn't she be treating him like she knew him? Like, "Stop it, Bob!" or "Why did you tear my sign, Doug?" Seems like the AP photographer would have been able to detect some familiarity between them.

Either way, this is disgusting. This election season is getting vile.

712 jonathan.culbertson  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:23:55am

sorry i'm a newbie, whats "LLL"

713 Bob with one O  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:24:04am

Staged? As in the Union type was in on the charade? Fine. Wax 'em both and throw in child abuse too. But knowing your opponents and how they'll react is not a crime. Getting it on film. Priceless.

714 MarcoPolo  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:24:18am

The cool thing is, if it IS determined to be fake, the MSM will see how simple it is to admit we made a mistake and apologize. Something they are not able to do apparently.

THAT would be sweet.

715 Owl  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:25:13am

You know, I know we're all really angry about this - and we should be. I am with you. It's just more proof that the biggest enemies we face INCLUDE leftists(democrats) here at home.


On the bright side - look at how many people posted their outrage on this one thread...

people, I have to believe that the internet, blogs, and other things - including BRAVE PATRIOTS like our Mr. Charles Johnson are going to CHANGE THE COUNTRY and the world with their ability to bring the truth to light.
We are blessed to know such a man, and we are blessed to be in each others' company, and we are blessed to live in a time when LIBERTY and TRUTH are about to OVERCOME the darkness of liberalism!


LONG LIVE THE TRUTH - LONG LIVE LGF - LONG LIVE LIBERTY!

716 Evilscott  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:25:28am

Navy Contradicts Kerry on Release of Military Records
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
September 16, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Navy released documents Wednesday contradicting
claims by Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry that all of his
available military records have been released.

The Navy, responding to a Freedom of Information Act request from the
legal watchdog group Judicial Watch, also referred interested parties to
Kerry's campaign web site for government military documents.

Navy Personnel Command FOIA Officer Dave German wrote in an e-mail to
Judicial Watch that the Navy "withheld thirty-one pages of documents
from the responsive military personnel service records as we were not
provided a release authorization."

A "release authorization" would have to come from Kerry filling out and
signing a Standard Form 180, something he has yet to do. A Standard Form
180 would authorize the complete release of all his military records.
Judicial Watch filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests in
August to obtain Kerry's military records.

The official U.S. Navy response was received by Judicial Watch on
Wednesday, the same day that Kerry told syndicated radio and MSNBC TV
host Don Imus that "We've posted my military records that they sent to
me, or were posted on my website. You can go to my website, and all my
-- you know, the documents are there."

When Imus pressed Kerry as to whether all of his documents were in fact
included on the campaign website, Kerry responded, "To the best of my
knowledge. I think some of the medical stuff may still be out there.
We're trying to get it.

"We released everything that they (the Navy) initially sent me," he added.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said the Navy's correspondence
confirms that Kerry has not been forthright in releasing his military files.

"It's written confirmation from the U.S. Navy that there are additional
documents from Kerry's service record that have yet to be made publicly
available," Fitton told CNSNews.com.

Fitton called the Kerry campaign's contention that all of the
candidate's military files have been released, "wrong."

"They (the Kerry campaign) are either ignorant or misleading us. The
simple solution is to authorize the release of all records related to
his service," Fitton said.

German in a letter dated September 15, also referred Judicial Watch to
Kerry's campaign website for more information on Kerry's military records.

"Numerous responsive U.S. Navy service record documents, as well as
service record documents not subject to disclosure requirements under
the FOIA, may be accessed at" the Kerry campaign's website applying to
his military records, wrote German.

"Right now we are in the 'Alice in Wonderland' situation, where the U.S.
Navy is telling us to go to a campaign Internet site to get government
FOIA documents," Fitton said.

"I am not aware of any other instance where [a government agency] told
us to go to a political website for documents," he added. "It's not a
reliable repository of government documents."

In additional correspondence with Judicial Watch dated Sept. 15, the
Navy stated that it did not have a copy of Kerry's Discharge Certificate
(DD Form 256N), adding that the Navy did not keep files of the
certificate in its records.

German wrote in a letter dated Sept. 15, "A copy of an honorable
discharge certificate (DD256N) is not placed in the U.S. Navy Service
record when issued."

"Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to
anyone for a Silver Star," said a Naval official to reporter Thomas
Lipscomb in an article for the August 27th Chicago Sun Times.

717 locutus  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:25:32am
718 MarcoPolo  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:25:47am

I can just see it now.

LLL: "We forged some documents, you faked some pictures. It's a wash"

719 TalkinKamel  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:25:52am

Uh-huh, you can already see the line that the Left is going to take with this!

"Apparently these people are serial complainers." "The guy just wants attention." "It's the father's fault!" "Nothing to see here, folks! Move along now, move along. . . "

Ted Rall did it with the 9/11 widows, and the Left does it every time something like this comes up; it's the victim's fault!

And, man, those trouble making kids in that school in Beslan were just asking for it!

720 nightintheruts  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:27:21am

711...good point BH

How do you get a child to cry on cue and there would be familiarity there if they were family members. If I took a picture of my son doing that to my daughter you would see my daughter kicking my son in the face, not crying! :))

721 Occasional Reader  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:30:06am

Since others have brought it up:

The Left's new version of Occam's razor--

When attempting to explain a given phenomenon, the explanation involving a rare, $16,000 typesetting machine is the most likely one.

Anyway; Do we know for a fact that Dad here deliberately waded into a Kerry rally with his toddler? Or was the situation that there were Kerry and Bush supporters at the airport, and a bunch of the former decided to pick on Dad and toddler?

For my part, call it what you want, but I will not put a Bush sticker on my car. In DC, I really believe this would be an invitation to vandalism. OTOH, I'm looking forward to wearing my new "Democrat for Bush" button. (My rationale: I can defend myself, my car can't.)

722 RIP Ford  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:30:24am

Glenn Beck just interview the father for the second time this morning.

That thug is not his son.

Period, end of story.

723 The Man  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:33:55am

That thug puts the A-S-S in Assault

Click Here

724 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:34:45am

Phil Parlock is on the school board, is a realtor in WV, and had this to say when Jessica Lynch returned to her home state:

Phil Parlock, who has a daughter and son in the West Virginia National Guard, sat and cried when Lynch was brought from the Iraqi hospital.

``I could see my daughter in that situation,'' he said. ``I cried when she was captured, and I cried equally when she was rescued. I could identify with her parents.

``It was one of the most upbeat things of the war to get her back. In actuality, her capture and rescue may have empowered women who want to be in combat because this came out reasonably well. I think it may have made people more accepting of women in combat. But I don't.''

In the interview Sarah D posted he said he was a former Marine and a committed Christian. He is obviously passionate about his politics and his family (and his wife in particular apparently). I don't know him from Adam, but he sounds ok to me.

725 Smitty  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:36:45am

#712 jonathan.culbertson

sorry i'm a newbie, whats "LLL"

Ah, someone's gotta check out the FAQ page (top left). Good explanation there.

726 Bob with one O  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:37:31am

Owl good, owl wise.


MarcoPolo,

I hope so, but I think you're overestimating the open mindedness of the left. They'll ignore a rebuttal, if one is needed and forthcoming.

727 Furious J  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:37:39am

It seems like the LLL are increasingly a bunch of brutal thugs (union activists here, ANSWER activists there) coupled with a bunch of co-dependent enablers like the DUMBies and people like giusd who are willing to deny or cover-up their behavior. "Oh, he's really not such a bad guy, he just gets upsets when he sees a Bush-Cheney poster."

No wonder they're so dysfunctional.

728 joshlbetts  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:38:56am

#712

LLL= Loony Liberal Left

729 papijoe  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:39:30am

#717 Locutus

How's this for a caption:

"Keep talkin' Senator, you're not getting out til this puppy floats!"

I know, I'm no V the K...

730 Gruen  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:40:45am

Well I do have to say after getting more information, that if this guy has done it before I've lost a lot of respect for him because he's used his kids and that's pretty low.

BUT

It still doesn't excuse assaulting (that's what it was) a young child. As was pointed out, he could have simply been asked to walk away. The left can't comprehend this, they can't come out and see that abusin a child like this is just wrong.

But as well, it's pretty sad that people can't advertise their political beliefs without being subjected to such abuse. Tolerance is what this country is supposed to be built on and the Left continually shoot themselves in the foot in this regard. They claim they are the "real" americans and they're standing uo for what the forefathers belived in, blah, blah...yet they want to stop and harass at every turn the oppositions RIGHT to speak freely.

That's not very american now, is it?

731 jonathan.culbertson  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:43:08am

#725 smitty

p>

Ah, someone's gotta check out the FAQ page (top left). Good explanation there.

thanks much, new to blogs and relieved to have been introduced to them. i'm so sick of the biased media, and i know its on both wings.

732 freedomsound  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:44:32am

Would the little girl be so terrified if that was her big brother? Nope.

Are all the other union guys (the ones trying to cover the incident up in the second photo) also Parlock's sons? Amazing coincidence, huh?

733 ShanNYC  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:45:32am

Well, this is what happens when Kerry's campaign doesn't require attendees to sign loyalty oaths before issuing passes to supporters. Had they done so, Mr. Purlock, who seems to have an incredible knack for being quoted in the press, would not have had this travesty brought down on him.

While we're talking about the context of the picture, does anyone find it strange that after his little girl is made to cry, he chooses to stay right where he is. Kind of a tough way to teach your child about the first amendment.

734 TalkinKamel  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:50:07am

What creeps me out, particularely, is all the Leftwing rage against the child---not her father, the child herself!
The DU is exalting about "bad children" being punished. gsud refers to her as, "A serial troublemaker." This is, please recollect, a child who is all of three years old. What "trouble" can this alleged juvenile delinquent create that warrants a man over three times her age ripping up her sign and jeering at her? (Not her father, who is, supposedly, the bad guy---THE CHILD!)

If her father's supposedly this terrible troublemaker, and whiner, why not ask him to leave? Or, treat him so nicely he withers up and dies of shame? But nooo, Union Man has to attack the little girl---as if she is somehow the evil mastermind behind her father's actions.

This is a kid, not the Dragon Lady, for g-d's sake!
Reality check on the Left! Something is very wrong here. . .

735 gm33  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:50:10am

#732: I'm not sure I follow. What coincidence??

#733: What the context of the picture doesn't tell us is timeline. You can't assume he stood there too long. The pictures could have been snapped 5 seconds apart.

736 TMF  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:50:18am

Who cares what this guys motivation is?

These aholes RIPPED A SIGN held by a little girl!!! What the F is WRONG WITH YOU???

737 TMF  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:52:47am

#727 Furious J

YEah- it's no cooincidence that the same enabling mentality is used by the LLL to justify terrorist murder too.

"Bin Laden isn't such a bad guy, if the US didn't have troops in Saudi Arabia making the muslims reaal sad, then...etc etc etc"

738 Sandy P  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:53:40am

Parlock might be a serial rabblerouser:

[Link: rising-hegemon.blogspot.com...]

739 Chuckg  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:57:36am

To everyone who has attempted to blame the victim in any way, I ask you this:

What's it like, to have absolutely no soul?

740 Robert Crawford  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:58:30am

How, exactly, did the union thug know this guy had snuck into other rallies?

And in what way does that excuse the assault?

741 Crusader  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 6:59:17am

#738:

Oh. Well that clarifies things abit. I'm glad they had a REASON for terrorizing a 3-year old child.

Good God, what has the left come to?

742 Robert Crawford  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 7:00:32am
Parlock might be a serial rabblerouser:

So what? Did the union thug know all this? Does it in any way excuse the attack?

743 Calliope  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 7:03:42am

Would someone please hunt his guy down and beat the living shit out of him?

Please?

744 Charles  Fri, Sep 17, 2004 7:04:46am

I'm closing this thread because it's getting too long, and opening a new one so that our left wing admirers can continue to make excuses for the behavior we see in this photo.


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