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Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 3:22:02 pm PDT

The moonbats at Daily Kos are frothing mad, after being exposed as liars and hacks for trying to promote the forged CBS memos as genuine, and they’re saying mean things about us again.

But that’s OK! One look at Jack the basset hound and all’s right with the world.

UPDATE at 9/20/04 5:36:59 pm:

Please note: the apoplectic post linked above Jack the Basset was not written by Markos “Screw Them” Zuniga, but by one of his acolytes. Markos himself is busy with more important things, like applauding Michael Moore for doing such a wonderful job of undermining the morale of our troops in Iraq.

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1 bruder  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:23:16pm

The original pictures, story, and close-ups of the CBS "Unbiased" van are on -CommunistsForKerry.com

2 suleimanajic  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:23:41pm

Man, them's some large ears. Is Jack scanning for Moonbats? Go git 'em, boy!

3 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:24:16pm

LOL

Screw 'Em.

4 Studsup  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:25:02pm

Kos, cry me a river.

5 AG in Houston  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:25:06pm

I just don't read Kos. One less unique hit from a rightwing-neocon fascist.

6 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:25:20pm

YAWN.

Zuniga, you bore me.

7 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:25:27pm

My G-d, it's the mother-in-law!!

8 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:25:27pm
LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs and own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women. It's for teenaged guys who read Soldier of Fortune and fantasize about spending their summers "slithering around on their bellies in Survivalist camps in Idaho." It's for people who wished the Klan was still around and influential, for people who used to like David Duke but hate him now that he's sympathetic to Palestine, for people who thought the Columbine massacre was "a good thing that they wish they had been in on."

In short: LGF is sicko-ville deluxe. And irredeemably so. This is Stormfront stuff.

The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."

LMAO!

9 Owl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:26:19pm

HUh?
I thought that was Tereeezzzaaah.

;)


owl

10 Sarah D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:26:31pm

#7 Dave Ray

Hope your wife doesn't read that! ;)

11 Eagle  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:26:54pm
LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs and own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women.

Fake but accurate?

//off

12 canadianwilderness  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:27:02pm

They sure love their ad hominems.

13 Bob with one O  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:27:23pm

Does he even read the site? Everybody knows I live in Mom's attic.

14 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:28:06pm
First of all, no one who watches "Sex and the City" is going to be reading LGF.

I'm not sure why that's a bad thing. SATC is boring as hell.

15 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:28:07pm
First of all, no one who watches "Sex and the City" is going to be reading LGF.

binky, we watch Sex and the City, don't you worry.

16 monkeyweather  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:09pm

#15
and we very nicely didn't even shoot carrie!

17 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:17pm

"The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."

How fucking clueless are these people?

Do they think conservatives reproduce asexually?

Clearly, they have never been at LGF on a FNDT... nor have they met Iron Fist...

18 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:27pm
binky, we watch Sex and the City, don't you worry.

We have sex in various cities, too.

19 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:29pm

Sarah:

My wife would be fine about it...it's the mother-in-law I fear!

20 Belize042  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:37pm

Jack is apparently expressing surprise at the arrogance of CBS's "apology" today. Good boy.

21 Dave the.....  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:39pm

#8. Love it.

As I said in a previous thread, it's like Garrison Keillor's goofy ranting about Republicans. If Bush keeps his campaign going okay and crushes JF'nK, I can't wait to see the total breakdown.

22 canadianwilderness  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:51pm

Kleenax should put up ads on Daily Kos, their users will be in some need of their products come November.

23 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:29:56pm
Carrie on Technology:

"I don't believe in email. I'm an old-fashioned girl. I prefer calling and hanging up."

If I don't vote for Coop, I'm voting for Carrie.

24 teethgrinder  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:30:00pm

There's nothing like the sound of self-lefteous indignation.

25 Phil.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:30:32pm

Charles, you are hysterical!

26 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:30:46pm

Jack the Basset Hound is brilliant. Rock on!

27 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:31:01pm
We have sex in various cities, too.

Not to mention positions.

28 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:31:22pm
The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."

I like my women obedient. If she steps out of line, my imam says I can beat her lightly. What's wrong with that?

29 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:31:47pm

I'm amazed by how obviously these people just don't read LGF!

30 foreign devil  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:00pm

Jaaack! What's up?

31 monkeyweather  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:12pm

#28
OMG - dying laughing - fell off my chair :o)

32 RubberDuck  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:25pm

Check the comments on LGF sometime and view the splendor of people eaten up from the inside by total hate.

That's the one that really cracks me up! Reading the whole comment overflowing with absolute hatred for LGF and then they accuse us...talk about projection!!! They are the absolute masters of it.

33 Final Historian  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:37pm

I think that this is the perfect opportunity to ask ourselves:

Why do they hate us?

Whatever could we have done to bring out such malice? Surely we have brought this upon ourselves?

*snicker, snicker

34 Dr. Sanity  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:43pm

I suspect he's just jealous at how popular you are, Charles.

35 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:53pm

27:

Sex in one city would be nice...marriage kinda rations it...

36 bwohlgemuth  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:56pm

Obligitory Racist-Right Wing Nut Job Post (with apologies to Monty Python)

Well now, the result of last week's competition when we asked you to find a derogatory term for the Belgians. Well, the response was enormous and we took quite a long time sorting out the winners. There were some very clever entries. Mrs Hatred of Leicester Said 'let's not call them anything, let's just ignore them' ... and a Mr St John of Huntingdon said he couldn't think of anything more derogatory than Belgians.

But in the end we settled on three choices: number three ... the Sprouts, sent in by Mrs Vicious of Hastings... very nice ; number two... the Phlegms... from Mrs Childmolester of Worthing; but the winner was undoubtedly from Mrs No-Supper-For-You from Norwood in Lancashire... Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards

Please return your tinfoil hat to it's upright and locked position.

37 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:32:56pm

I thought the loathsome Zuniga would be busy celebrating the murder of another American civilian in Iraq.

38 Earl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:33:25pm

Bird season opens next week in our county. Mind if I borrow Jack for the weekend, Charles?

Good boy! Good doggums. Put 'em up Jack, attaboy!

39 TheLoneCabbage  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:33:31pm

Wow, one does wonder how charles will withstand a barage of dialectics such as that! Such logic, such panasche, such nuance!

Realy, not one word of actuall argument, just pure opinion. No wonder this guy is a top blogger in LLL world.

40 monkeyweather  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:33:36pm

OT mary mapes dad just said on FOX that he is ashamed of his liberal daughter, and that she went into journalism with a feminist ax to grind!

41 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:34:30pm

I've had sex in New York.

Wait a minute.. no I haven't.

42 ajackson  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:35:11pm

I love the sound of liberals seething in the morning - it sounds like victory

43 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:35:23pm

Sex in one city would be nice...marriage kinda rations it...

LMAO!

44 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:35:33pm

Isn't Corrie the star of "Anal Sex in Gaza City".

45 Studsup  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:35:34pm

#8 Colt -- ["It's for teenaged guys who read Soldier of Fortune and fantasize about spending their summers "slithering around on their bellies in Survivalist camps in Idaho." ]

Wait a minute there DKos, you've just described Senator Kerry's preferred deerhunting method! I liked the last line about LGFer's preferring AK-47s to "Carrie" from "Sex in the City". All I can say is that I rate the chances that someone on DKos will actually acquire an AK-47 about one million times better than the chances that any one of them will share an intiimate moment (at least a mutual one) with "Carrie".

It's fun to watch the LLL explode with paranoid rage. I can only imagine the silent seething rage that they now harbor against Dan Rather for betraying them in the midst of foaming on about the LGF slander of those authentic Killian memos. Dan thinks the conservatives are out to get him? Hah, he ain't seen nothing like a righteous LLLer that's been betrayed. The word "apostate" comes to mind.

46 Cam  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:36:24pm

#23 zulubaby:

If I don't vote for Coop, I'm voting for Carrie.

LOL! I haven't spotted 'Coop lately - has he been posting?

47 Glen Wishard  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:36:35pm

Funny there's no Kerry-Edwards ad on Daily Kos.

Oh, now I remember why ...

Ha ha ha ha ha
BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAH

48 TheLoneCabbage  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:36:58pm

Amazingly these marroons, are all upset that AOL TW is advertising on LGF that they missed the fact that they are advertising on the KOS too. Look down bottom right.

49 Bob with one O  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:37:11pm

Dave Ray,

You rock. LMAO

50 AG in Houston  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:37:16pm

Happy Birthday Colt!

51 BigBrother  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:37:20pm

Heh. Looks like you hurt 'em, Charles, and they're lashing out the only way they can: with blind, random hatred.

Their anger makes my heart sing.

52 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:37:41pm

Cam, he's too busy campaigning. I can only vote once, you know ...

53 ted  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:37:47pm

6 38pm est Rather stalling...leads wiith beheading...next crowds cheering kerry in nyc now ivann

54 FreakyBoy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:38:06pm

Let's not forget we're also reasonably competent!

55 AG in Houston  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:38:06pm

Happy B-Day Zulubaby!

56 sea bass  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:38:10pm

At least they haven't accused you of being on Rove's payroll yet. It's only a matter of time, though...

57 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:38:24pm

It's Colt's birthday?

Happy birthday, Colt!

58 BigBrother  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:38:28pm

Oh, and I forgot to say "Screw 'em."

59 Q  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:39:26pm

I've fucked intil sunrise made sweet love on both coasts.

60 Felipe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:39:30pm

Is Jack code for absurdity? LOL.

61 TheMachine  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:39:48pm

Wow, didnt know that 3 year olds could run websites like that...

62 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:39:57pm
I've had sex in New York.

Is that where the term, In New York Minute comes from? :P

63 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:39:57pm

Happy Bday to everyone whose bday it is.

64 Whole Wheat Bagel  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:40:12pm
So, I wandered over there to get my daily dose of angry race rage -- this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people -- and found to my surprise that two mainstream companies are advertising on the website:

Yeah, I come here for the daily rants against blacks and homosexuals.

And once again we're compared to Nazis with references to Aryan Nations and Stormfront.

Gah!

65 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:40:24pm

Dan Rather is still getting the Burkett scandal wrong.

He just said he was in the Texas Air National Guard. Burkett was in the Army Guard.

66 ted  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:40:41pm

Rather blames Burkett

67 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:40:46pm

PINF!

68 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:41:01pm

The way binky describes us it's a wonder any of us can read and write let alone use a confuser!

69 Gary  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:41:06pm

"...[LGF] is now simply a dung heap of racist panic, where anti-Arab and anti-Muslim screeds are not only welcomed in user comments, but trumpeted constantly in main page entries by the site operators..."

"...It's for people who wished the Klan was still around and influential, for people who used to like David Duke but hate him now that he's sympathetic to Palestine, for people who thought the Columbine massacre was "a good thing that they wish they had been in on."..."

Got that? If you disagree with KOS, it means we want to get in on shoot kids in school on the way to our weekly clan meeting.

What a clown. Forget the issues, he'll simply discredit every single person who ever has, does, or will visit here. I'd like to see him link some of those posts or comments he says he sees. I won't say I see every, or even most posts. But I have yet to see the crap he's talking about.

70 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:41:22pm
I've had sex in New York.

Wait a minute.. no I haven't.

If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere.

71 Max Darkside  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:42:32pm

Hey KOS:

Check the comments on LGF sometime

Ok, here ya go: I'm a software company executive and own my own home, I don't read Soldier of Fortune nor do I belong to the NRA. I don't have any porn videos, the KKK is evil and I think David Duke is a character from an old sitcom about a fast car.

But you got one right: I don't watch "Sex and the City".

72 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:42:33pm

For a survivalist gun-nut, my gun rack is looking pretty empty. Actually, I don't have a gun rack. Or guns. Well, besides a broken BB gun from a long time ago. My survivalist kit... Hmm. A few firecrackers, a flashlight, a ski jacket, a pen-knife...

Let's just say if Red Dawn happened, I wouldn't exactly be prepared.

73 monkeyweather  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:42:43pm

Burkett is insane. Mean too. Dan et al should watch out for him - but they are too busy trying to bury him instead.

74 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:43:32pm

Dan Rather just said "I'm sorry." Not to the President mind you, just a blanket apology. He smears the President, then thinks "I'm sorry" covers it. Jackass.

Keep this story alive. CBS has not done enough penance yet, if they can ever do enough.

75 zenbone  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:43:36pm

"I accept that."

76 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:43:36pm

LOL! Are these whiners for real?!?

I don't live in my mothers basement. Haven't ever actually. I have two basements, one in the house I live where my daughter has her space. The other is a rental but the basement is unfinished.

Don't own even on porn video and while I might be willing to a confess to enjoying a little French Vanilla on occasion I certainly don't indulge in anything even remotely close to

own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women

simulated or otherwise. For one thing I'm straight and for another well -squick!-

I've never approved of the klan nor would they have me being decidely Jewish... well I could just go on and on but Master Kos is clearly throwing a temper tantrum and what he obviously needs is a good spanking, and maybe having his mouth washed out with soap.

I hope his Mommy ventures downstairs to check on her baby soon. He's getting out of hand.

77 ted  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:43:48pm

Living in NYC Ive had lotsa sex here too

78 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:44:02pm

I'm going to New York in October.

Maybe I'll have sex then.

79 AG in Houston  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:44:06pm

I had sex in NY... and then I had EG in Houston.

80 H.D. Miller  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:44:16pm

They're clearly getting desperate.

In fact, the entire loony left in in meltdown. Just take a looke at Michael Moore's lates plea for help.

Put Away Your Hankies

81 Athos  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:45:20pm

Zuniga is nothing more than a rabid moonbat idiotarian - we all got a good look when he was screaming "Screw 'em" over the murdered bodies of 4 civilian contractors.

Why anyone spends anytime on his site - which is on the same par as DU and Indymedia - escapes me.

It's a waste of time and only encourages his rants and raves - by providing a temporary boost in traffic. Let him service the el cubo base - they can mentally and verbally masturbate to their hearts content - and never achieve a grasp of reality.

82 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:45:45pm

NBC is reaming the CBS report now.

83 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:45:52pm

I want a gun rack!

84 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:45:57pm
-- this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people --

This is a perfect example of how the left tolerates gays only if I accept a quasi-dhimmitude role as their political pet. This idiot does not care what sharia says about homosexuality and has not the slightest idea that a gay considering his options might be interested to fight for the rule of man-made law. If not worse, he knows but thinks I was dumb enough to buy the lie and drink the kool-aid. Better get rid of your oppressed minority zoo keeper mentality before the crowd laughs at you, leftist.

85 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:12pm

Anyone see the LLL experts on BBC and CBC assuring the UK LLL crowd that Bush won't get back in. Any moment now the American people are going to wake up and see the truth and Kerry will win.

86 Evilscott  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:14pm

Rather lies again!

He said Burkett was a Colonel in the Texas Air Guard.

False again Dan!
Burkett was a LtCol in the Army National Guard HQ - NOT Texas, and NOT Air!


So, Burkett swears he did not create the memos.
WHO DID?

87 Melissa  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:15pm

Jack has a couple of satellite dishes for ears. It's going to be difficult to find a novelty Klan hood to fit over those.

88 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:25pm

Mamba Jamba, thanks! ;-)

89 Athos  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:29pm

Lazytart -

When? I'm making a short trip there as well 2nd weekend in Oct...

90 Q  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:46:48pm

lazytart (#78):

I live in New York. Just sayin...

;-)

91 Harvey  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:47:00pm

My thoughts were along the lines of Kos = (Insert favourite Teresa epithet here).

92 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:47:38pm
LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs

Mom's house doesn't have a basement. Matter of fact, good luck finding a basement in any homes in Texas.

93 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:47:55pm

binky got all of four responses to his loving tribute to LGF.

94 ted  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:48:37pm

Rather:

Whitewashed[again]

Blamed Burkett

Made a snarky apology without taking any blame

95 stoj  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:48:43pm

OT-

Rather 60Mins Summary:

CBS went to Burkett to get the docs originally?
Rather says he's sorry.
Rather says we should have authenticated the docs.

Burkett - CBS Staff pressured me for my source.
Burkett - I threw out a name.
Burkett - I have not forged or faked anything.
Burkett - insists they are real.
Burkett - insisted that they be authenticated by CBS.

Bush spokesman:
Need these questions answered.

Whoop-dee-freakin'-do. I thought he's spend more than 10 mins on it.

96 FlyingTigress  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:00pm

@33

Maybe this should become a more sensitive blog?

Naaah!

97 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:14pm

84 leo (dissident view from Berlin)

I'm sure Zuniga would hate to visit the Gay Pride parade in Tel Aviv -- home of the Zionazi oppressors -- but would love to visit the soccer stadium the Taliban used to hang homosexuals in Kabul.

98 blt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:15pm

I always thought it would be a very enlightening sociological study to get a demographic survey of all the great people here. You know, average income, level of education, where people live (city as well as room in the house), profession, magazine subscriptions, sexual preferences, favorite sports, favorite videos, etc., etc. . . .

But then again, I'm not very fond of sociologists and my guess is on average we're probably (speaking for myself anyway) boring, but normal, like regular people.

99 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:18pm
LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs

Besides the rest of that, what the hell is wrong with the surburbs?! And yeah, I live in my mum's house - I'm 19.

100 Glen Wishard  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:39pm

I hate to analyze their semen stains but somebody has to do it:

So, I wandered over there to get my daily dose of angry race rage -- this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people --

Where the hell do they come up with this stuff? Are they claiming that Dan Rather is gay? Or that Marcos Zuniga is not whiter than laundry day at David Duke's house?

(I refer of course to the David Duke who seems to take their side on all the burning issues of the day)

101 mbranca  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:49:50pm

When did LGF become a dung heap of racist panic?

102 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:50:05pm
This is a perfect example of how the left tolerates gays only if I accept a quasi-dhimmitude role as their political pet.

What would he think if he knew we actually have a few gasp right wing neocon zionist freeper gays here?

Could he wrap his very small brain around that dissonance?

103 Cheko  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:50:13pm

*clicks*

...

LGF is filled with hate and loves mutilated women?

*ROFL*

what a moron :)

Besides, whatever visits Kos gets are pure pitty clicks from the LGF Pajamarines.


HOOAH! :)

104 suleimanajic  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:50:40pm

You know, Kos is right. Whenever I need my fix of old-fashioned down-home Judenhass, LGF is my first stop. Robe-wearin', God-fearin', Jew-hatin', cross-burnin' good ol' boys down yonder, ayup.

Seriously though, I notice that Kos is aware that David Duke supports the Philistines, not the Israelis. He obviously knows LGF is 173% pro-Israel. Yet he cannot grasp the obvious implication: real Klansmen are on his side, not ours.

105 Globular Cluster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:50:45pm
lazytart (#78):

I live in New York. Just sayin...

Uh-oh.

106 kathyn  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:51:08pm

Kos just blew a gasket, didn't he? He can't say anything rational so he resorts to classifying LGFers as
Klan-loving, Columbine shooter cheerleading rascist dung heapers.

I don't hate muslims or anyone else (although I hate what they are doing). But at the same time, I'm no fool. I can tell who wishes me ill or well. If anyone 's goal in life is to behead me or mine, I will tell it like it is. And anyone who tries to find excuses for why they are doing what they are doing is abetting them...plain and simple. And let the political chips fall where they may. (Chips...no dung pun intended.)

107 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:51:43pm
108 blt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:52:00pm

mbranca #101: probably when it overtook Daily Kos for #2 spot on the TTLB blogosphere ecosystem

109 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:52:33pm

Moonbat Meltdown

The poor Loons are having a tough time dealing with the bursting of (C)BS's bubble. Found on DU, a representative comment:

you know they are true. the journalists know they are true. adn bush certainly know they are true

there was a reason they were presented as is. from what i understand in law, he had to change them up a tad in wording, to not get in trouble. dont know the specific of law.

now you can pretend like rove, like bush since you point to documents as forgeries makes the content false. only the stupid are going to fall for that.

the info is correct

Let's see:

"From what I understand in law [nothing], he [the unspecified he!] had to change them up [up? why not down? or over? or just transform and rewrite the bloody things?] a tad in wording [wording?], to not get in trouble [d'oh! ... that didn't exactly work, now, did it?]. dont know the specific of law ['course not].

Now my moonbat brother is saying that it wasn't the documents themselves, it was the false military jargon that exposed the docs as faked. No credit to LGF! He'd Rather Die First.

Meanwhile, Kerry's got a new mantra:

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough... but gosh darn it, people don't like me!"

110 FlyingTigress  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:52:43pm

Actually, my 82-year old mother is a moonbat... and served as an PERFECT example of what happens to your brain on liberalism.

I wouldn't live in her basement -- even if she still had a home that had a basement.

111 gymnast  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:53:16pm

Wow, that Kos guy is really somethin'. After reading his description of this sites posters, and then feeling what I thought was an itching pang of shameful contrition, I found that all I really needed to do was was scratch my ass, and I felt much better about the world.

112 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:53:50pm

Oh, my.
Kos is green with envy.
How embarrassing for him.

113 TheMachine  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:54:17pm

You heard the man guys. He asked us to leave. Charles you better post a farewell speach and we will all start packing up. It was nice while it lasted, but we have to do what the left tells us to.


Something about that doesn't seem rational.

114 Don  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:54:43pm

LOL...reading Kos is like reading The Onion...it can't be real...can it? What a bunch of sore losers. Wait until November...then they'll be calling for all non-Kos blogs to be shut down.

115 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:54:48pm
this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people

Maybe he resents the fact that we strongly opposed the slaughtering of homos in some A... well in some countries we all know of. As to the Blacks, I don't remember any bad comment on LGF, exept if the genial author is this amazing piece of drekk consider that raising question about the ignoble genocide in Sudan is racist.

116 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:54:51pm

Anyone want to bet he sits with a highschool thesaurus over his computer looking up interesting ways to insult us? I mean some of his insults are about that level.

First of all, no one who watches "Sex and the City" is going to be reading LGF.

I LIKE that show. I watch it.

Oh, maybe that's what he means by mutilating women.

117 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:55:48pm

David 'Parisian Insider':

thanks for the e-mail earlier today mate, interesting reading.

118 beblebrox  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:55:58pm

I don't even have a basement!! Do own an AK though. Its part of our Cold War collection. My wife is much better with it than I am.

119 Pierre Duhem  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:55:58pm

#76

"I hope his Mommy ventures downstairs to check on her baby soon. He's getting out of hand. "

Yeah, he actually bragged about drinking his wife's breast milk!

Zuniga=Oedipus without the intelligence.

YECCH!

120 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:56:37pm

Where the hell does the Daily Kos get off linking to Stormfront? That is fucking disgusting.

121 Cheko  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:56:54pm

#113

*squints*

Mind Control Rays ready me'luhd!

It seems this one is almost out of the trance.

Oh sorry, Kos might be reading... ROFL... Kos reading...

Oh i have a better one... Kos actually typing something worthwhile... oh man i'm killing myself XD

122 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:57:29pm
LOL...reading Kos is like reading The Onion...it can't be real...can it? What a bunch of sore losers. Wait until November...then they'll be calling for all non-Kos blogs to be shut down.

...unlike the Onion (which I come away laughing from) I always come away from the Daily Kos feeling cheep, dirty and somehow polluted.

123 KevinV  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:57:48pm

Y'know what this rhetoric proves?

1) that Daily Kos lost the battle of ideas; and

2) how dangerous "hate" legislation is, becuase is these children get their way any deviation from their way of thinking is "hate-mongering" and, thus, illegal.

Makes you thank the Gods above for the first amendment, eh?

124 Barney  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:57:54pm

Why look at basset hounds when you can look at a real Scottish Terrier?

125 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:58:06pm

Typical of the LLL. It's called the reductio ad hitlerum.
Depicting one's opponent as a neo nazi racist allows to discredit him completely without the use of debate. You don't debate with Adolf, he is the evil incarnate, he's just wrong.

126 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:58:35pm
127 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:58:43pm

Athos, you bad thing, I'm going with my husband.

He's trying to get lucky.

128 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:58:53pm

#119 Pierre Duhem
What does he use now? A sippy cup?
(Assuming he got off the breast.)

129 armytramp  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:59:16pm

I own lots of porn videos but they are all gay porn because I like to look at sexy naked men.

130 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:59:27pm

Ginger Liz:

Where the hell does the Daily Kos get off linking to Stormfront? That is fucking disgusting.

...he's moved on from Soldier of Fortune (that's so LGF these days) and he's moved on to the harder stuff...somebody should tell him it gives you hairy palms and makes you blind.

131 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:59:36pm

The lovely prose of Kos is the same that has been used in every "socialist" (=stalinofascist) State against ANY form of disagreement (way less than dissent).

As soon as you don't obey the orders barked by the redfascist gauleiters, you are entitled to every possible name: homophobe, friend of the klan etc. In the end, they will call us imperialistic-Jewish-cabal-nazi-capitalistic scum.

We should be HONORED by their insults.
Hundreds of MILLIONS went through this in the last 100 years and we are surely honored to be treated like them, the Freedom Fighters who, all over the world, laughed at the delirium of power, control and lies of the REDFASCISTS.

I know some relatives of people kidnapped by the GPU (then KGB) at dawn, for writing an article, for saying a word...I am thinking to them now.

132 Pierre Duhem  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:59:48pm

Burkett is the perfect patsy. Unlike other BDS sufferers, his problems seem to be legitimately organic in nature.


Prosecuting him would be seen as picking on a sick man.
His illness didn't stop the Orwellian rats at CBS to use him and throw him away like a used Kos Kleenex.


Filthy Nazi Pigs.

133 john5z  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 1:59:59pm

Live in mother's basement,
mentally ill,
sadists.

Well, since they haven't met any of us, I guess KOS is PROJECTING their own problems and inadequacies.

134 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:00:53pm
135 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:01:35pm

Armytramp,

I own lots of porn videos but they are all gay porn because I like to look at sexy naked men.

LMAO!!!

This is CLEARLY the drinking thread!!!

136 Pierre Duhem  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:01:40pm

#119

It was breast milk intended for his infant child, so I assume the equivalent of a sippy cup was involved. That's the last time I visited any Kos site.

137 Athos  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:02:04pm

Lazytart

LOL - Sorry - I was hoping for a LGF meetup with some of the NYC lizardoids - and missed out some of the earlier in the thread...oops - blush.

(I've already crossed NYC off of that list...)

138 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:02:40pm

#117 Dave
No problem.I just wanted to add my feeling of a French Jew living in Paris . Maybe I am too pessimistic but honestly this looks like we are heading to a very depressing future.
If you read French, there are interesting documents on the Green/Brown/Red alliances I can link for you.

139 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:02:52pm

Athos,

LOL! I actually WAS going to ask who here lives and/or travels to New York... would love the opportunity for a meetup.

(Really.)

140 armytramp  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:03:56pm

#135


Bottoms up!!!

"Say Sailor, is that a mast on your prow or are you just running a signal up your flagpole?"

141 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:04:00pm

#138 DPI

I just wanted to add my feeling of a French Jew living in Paris .

Would you mind emailing me, too?

142 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:04:02pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Charles banned TinyURLs explicitly because people were trolling here using them to disguise links to Stormfront etc, and then Kos just goes and links to Stormfront without even an explanation (you know, a "for example" or something).

Ugh.

143 TheMachine  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:04:15pm

Check out the latest comment, binkster got told.

144 Pierre Duhem  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:04:15pm

"I don't like YOOOUUU."

Droopy the Basset Hound just before dropping an anvil on Kos's pointed head.

145 Dianna  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:04:31pm

Lessee, about the only thing Kos' analysis got right is that I don't watch Sex & the City.

Dearie me.

146 corbusier  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:05:12pm

As Charles Krauthammer once wrote in a column not too long ago: Conservatives think Liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are mean.

It's obvious we're talking past each other, but the blame lies with the left. Why? Because political debate is inherently a rational activity with careful reflection. We conservatives debate on whether something is true or not, instead of wondering whether it is good or bad. The passions flare when the conversation revolves around how it makes one feel.

Daily Kos reminds me of the Tasmanian Devil character, always spinning and shouting out noises and interjections without really saying anything, while being all worked up over nothing.

147 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:05:21pm

OT
I just got home and saw The Dan on Brit Hume.
The Dan is sorry the memo didn't pan out.

148 Luigi  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:06:04pm

Say, thanks for Kos for reminding me to click on the wonderful LGF advertisers. I went to WSJ's Best Of The Web and found this piece of really insightful analysis:

Inasmuch as John Kerry has anything at all to say about Iraq, it is that as president he would somehow expand the U.S.-led alliance by winning over unspecified "foreign leaders" who are supposedly his confidantes. But look how the Kerry campaign treats America's actual allies. The candidate himself has insulted them by calling them "a fraudulent coalition" and "a coalition of the coerced and the bribed."


I assume Kos' problem is he's feeling unloved because of LGF's crushing stats. This despite Kos' place of honor at the Dem Convention and lots of good press. Kos is beloved by the left. He has just the right politics and ethnic credentials. Plus, he was in the American Army, just like his main man. You can't beat that.

Meanwhile, I wish Kerry would stop insulting our Coalition allies by calling them meaningless and insignificant, and telling them they've gone to war mistakenly. He keeps doing this. He went to Vietnam, and then tried to shut down the American military for the rest of the century. This is turning into a lifelong habit with him.

149 Dizzy26  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:06:28pm

OT
I had a sigmoidoscopy in Long Beach once.

A real pain in the ass though...

Sex in the city, (any city) sounds better

Diz

150 Kevin P.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:06:33pm

When the LLL crowd finds themselves in a hole, they dig deeper.

Schadenfreude.

151 Model4  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:06:38pm

Wow. That was exceedingly delusional and paranoid. Liberal magical thinking, hatred and desire to destroy and silence their ideological opponents proudly on display for all to see.

I know! Let's put their candidate in charge of our nation!

And for those not in the know, Kos is celebrated by senior Democrat party officials.

152 Mashiki  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:07:18pm

Gah. I guess this is the "truth in their time?", nasty bit of work...I almost wonder if Google listing their site as satire is meant to make it seem softer then it actually is, or to deflect from the reality that these people are really screwed up.

I'd say that these people are rabid...wait...is liberalism passed on by bites from an infected person? That might make sense...anyway rabid they are, and projecting at that.

153 Athos  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:07:22pm

Rasmussen Reports that Kerry lead in very blue NY State is down to 5 points - NY is IN PLAY. Bush down by 4 points in NJ - NJ is IN PLAY.

Adding to the increasing depressing results hammering those with BDS...

154 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:07:23pm

DPI:

Unfortunately my French is comprehensive school level...Tricolour Book number 3 variety...I can just about get by with basic directions, questions and asking wether the weather in La Rochelle will be nice tomorrow...

155 Jefe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:07:53pm

What a maroon. And I had to go and give him site traffic. Screw him.

156 goldsmith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:08:15pm

Hmm. Being a practising homosexual myself, I don't care about women much at all, let alone desiring to see them mutilated. Besides, their beloved Islam and the Palestinians are much more likely to be mutilating women (and other living things) than any of us civilized neanderthals.

Anyway, since I am gay, I suppose it's only a matter of time before you other LGFers savagely beat me. Well, I'm ready for it! Come beat me!

C'mon, beat me!

Guys, I'm ready for my beating!

C'mon already!

157 Atlas Wannabe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:08:36pm

I had a Bassett for 15 years. Using a picture of one here is totally appropriate. Stubborn animals, and really quite dumb. Almost as bad as a donkey!

158 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:08:54pm

What a hoot! Igits without a clue. Kos relegated to satire commentary by the google-bot; see-Bs can't pass a flush test...and all in same day!

Markos' head must have imploded.

Damn...what I'd have paid for a picture of that...

Like maybe nothing...screw him. :)

159 FlyingTigress  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:09:08pm

Mary Mapes is also going to be the sacrificial (can't speak to her past sexual experiences) LAMB

She's toast. The "great work" for the Abu G. story is going to be overlooked, and she'll probably be demoted to the late Sunday night news weathergirl on the CBS affiliate in Zzyzx, CA.

160 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:09:28pm

Whoa! CBC actually reporting on the CBS story!

Also now quoting Kerry's call for a great honest national debate ect. at NYU. Several minutes of his speech and lots and lots of quotes.

CBC quoting him as being smart and honest. "Invading Iraq has created a crisis." and on and on. The reporter is practically drooling.

Now reporting how Kerry has fallen in the polls for a very short amount of time.

Next story:
"An American hostage has died." It just happened, you see.

CBS story now. Rather admitting mistake. He says he's sorry. "Authenticity questioned over the internet." Now stating documents may well be fakes, but content is real. Now quoting conspiracy theory. Totally polarized USA. Won't affect election. People who would vote for Bush already know these things about him and are voiting for him anyway.

Time to go home for supper, but I just lost my appetite.

161 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:09:49pm

goldsmith, can't we just go shopping instead? My beating days are over.

162 john5z  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:10:31pm

Lazytart:

Re your comment the prior thread. Are you sure you ment to say "any type (of wine) will DO US"?

;-)

163 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:10:39pm

TO: lazytart
RE: Not Clueless

"How fucking clueless are these people?" -- lazytart

Rather, they are so filled with hate that they'll say just about anything.

In due time they'll start doing something with their hatred.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

164 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:11:04pm

#141 colt
It was an email I send to Dave about the discussion he had with zulubaby and bigel on another thread. One the existence of alliances between Islam, the Left and the Far Right.
I can send you a copy but I think you are well informed on such a subject.

165 cordy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:11:09pm

Why does this guy think the posters are all male?

"It's for teenaged guys who read Soldier of Fortune and fantasize about spending their summers "slithering around on their bellies in Survivalist camps in Idaho." "

"own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women"


This guy must not read the comments. Seems to me a good number of the posters are women.

166 armytramp  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:11:10pm

#156

Oh Boy! Does that mean a spanking?

Please be naked and post pics.

Thanks.

167 Jefe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:11:10pm

goldsmith

Hang on, I need to check with Kos to see what we're supposed to do.

168 Abaddon  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:12:43pm

AS RIP Ford said, homes in Texas (and I own my own house) don't have basements. I'll fess up to owning a gun or three though ... the wife brought a .357 into the marriage with her, and we're all a happy family. :-)

169 Rasputin  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:12:47pm

That's just dumb

As you probably know - I guess you read the comments on the site - I do not necessarily agree with you on much. It's pretty much just Israeli issues that we are on the same page, and with the other stuff I just think you're sorta nuts.

But I will defend your right to say what you believe, to my last breath

Plus, the dog is cute. Is he really yours?

170 Athos  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:13:18pm

#151 Model4

And for those not in the know, Kos is celebrated by senior Democrat party officials.

Another reason to vote Republican - judge them by the company they keep...

171 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:13:21pm

Ok, so it's quite clear in Kos's opinion that we oppress minorities!

So let's just do that...first minority on the hit list...

1. His braincells. All two of them.

172 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:13:23pm

..."let your friendly, neighborhood Al Jazeera Bureau know that one of America's larger corporations advertizes on a virulently anti-arab, anti-muslim site."

Is this guy for real??

173 meeps  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:13:38pm

46yo female - no porn - no gun (yet) - lives in PA -
likes people who can discuss issues - doesn't like people who crash planes into fellow human beings.

just saying...Kos, you are beneath my notice.

174 Jefe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:13:39pm

#165 cordy

He probably knows better, but he's counting on his readers to take his word for it without checking. Kind of like Mike-Al Moore. Like Moore(on), he even invites them to check the comments, knowing 99% will just nod and drool.

175 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:05pm
I own lots of porn videos but they are all gay porn because I like to look at sexy naked men.

I never understood why so many men were so fixated on porn with two women...until I saw one of these.

But I don't OWN any!

176 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:10pm

#161 Ginger Liz

LOL

177 hobgoblin  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:36pm

I'll echo. . .

Screw 'em.


Kos: "Mooo-ooom, tell Charles to stop winning at checkers"

178 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:43pm

#171 Dave Ray -

You should be on the side of minorities, being a Spurs supporter and all!

179 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:46pm

P.S. The way I see it that if words won't have any significant effect, they'll start acting on their frustration.

We may have had a glimpse of it today, when, as James "Best of the Web Today" Taranto reported, today,...

"Politics in Gainesville turned rough and tumble Thursday night when, police say, a social behavior sciences instructor--a Democrat--punched the chairman of the Alachua County Republican Executive Committee in the face."--Gainesville (Fla.) Sun, Sept. 18
180 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:53pm

Actually we chase the hate monger types away pretty quickly. True there are always a few "nuke em all" posts after every atrocity (Beslan etc) - but that will happen on any site with hawks on it. You just can't fight a war while talking like Gandi. But it's easy to see that this isn't a hate site - it's a hawk site.

Too bad our political opponents prefer ad hominum attacks to honest policy debate!

181 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:14:54pm
the wife brought a .357 into the marriage with her

...crikey!! You Americans. My wife brought a sofa set.

182 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:15:06pm

#156

goldsmith,

Pipe down. Haven't you heard these guys are evil capitalists? They'll charge you! ;-)


Armytramp,
naked men, yum.


Let me see -- basement is for storage. Definitely NOT in the suburbs. Soldier of fortune is boring -- do subscribe to Scientific American though and this must be the same thing. Right?

Mutilated women? Being a woman myself -- Women -- ew. Mutilated -- ew.ew. ew.

Part of the reason to oppose religion of pieces -- although to be honest I don't like mutilated men, either. Padded handcuffs and light tickling would be about the most I would want to see done to ANY human being.

Oh, and btw, graduate degree and certified genius (well, certifiable genius, at least, I don't know how much I believe in those tests. Often total moron. But not in the way Master Kos implies.)

So -- Kos can put that in his pipe and SMOKE it.

However, I do find Sex in the City a puerile diversion that concentrates on sex to the exclusion of everything else. And I think the women in it are needy. This is not a reasoned critique, though. Only watched a couple of them.

183 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:15:11pm

#165 cordy

Seems to me a good number of the posters are women.

But. But. They watch...

porn for women

(gasp!)...the Abu Ghraib sex show... Dubya...naked ...rahhh!!

184 Midwest Pundit  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:15:19pm

Kos just doesn't get it...

If they want the success of LGF all they have to do is listen to a MSM news/magazine show and do the research to show how they "misled"... or better yet have other bloggers do the research.

Simple.

185 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:15:39pm

John5z,

NO. I'm not!

LOL! I'm typing while being swarmed by three little boys, a golden retriever, a dalmatian, and my husband telling us all to SHUT UP because he's making business calls.!!

186 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:16:12pm

Ginger Liz:

Watch it! We're unbeaten you know...

187 David 'Parisian Insider'  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:16:51pm

#171 Dave

His braincells. All two of them.

One to walk. One not to crap his pants.

188 Judith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:17:07pm
However, I do find Sex in the City a puerile diversion that concentrates on sex to the exclusion of everything else.

Yes, that too.

189 john5z  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:17:23pm

Lazytart:

I thought it was an errant comment - had to check though. While most LGF's are on top of facts and the truth, I search out innuendo (sp?).

190 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:17:33pm

Armytramp,

Perosnally, I think it's kinda cute when they leave *SOME* of their clothes on.

Know what I mean?

191 Midwest Pundit  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:17:39pm

So the question needs to be answered-

Who is respponsible for creating these forgeries?

Do you suppose Dan showed Burkett how to delete files before or after his interview???

192 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:18:44pm

I search out innuendo (sp?).

LOL! That's not surprising, considering this thread..!

193 piglet  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:18:57pm
." It's for people who wished the Klan was still around and influential, for people who used to like David Duke but hate him now that he's sympathetic to Palestine, for people who thought the Columbine massacre was "a good thing that they wish they had been in on."

Now I did once point out that Pat Buchanann and David Duke both had the same platform, but at least Duke had some managment experience, and as heads of the KKK go he was rather progressive.

My big problem with the KKK is that JUST because I'm jewish they won't let me join. :-)

Of course I've actually been to Palestine ( THe West Bank) and dated both an Israeli and a Palestinian (women, not that that matters). Amazing that I could do all these things while still in my PJ's in my mothers attic watching star trek. :-)

194 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:19:01pm

#186 Dave Ray -

It's only September . . . don't get complacent ;-)


(and #183 - Nope, just those pictures of Dubya in his TANG uniform will do nicely! I don't think the MSM realises that they're actually helping GWB along by reprinting those photos. Among women, at least.

Yes, we are that shallow.)

195 cordy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:21:31pm

#174 Jefe

Yeah, you're probably right. Just like CBS--tell the people what to think and expect them to agree.

It's gotta be jealousy of Charles' recent attention.

One of the things I like about this site and sites like Allahpundit is that it's not only guys with issues about women sitting around talking about their guns. It's also women talking about their guns :-)
And porn now too :-)

196 john5z  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:21:44pm

Daily Kos asking for us to be shut down.

Let al gore know who the true "digital brownshirts" are.

197 goldsmith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:22:19pm

Judith, armytramp

I assume you're both ladies, so you've answered a question I've always had: do any women like gay male porn the way men like "lesbian" porn? Having seen all sorts of porn, I can safely say that gay male porn is the best in terms of the attractiveness of the actors and how much they appear to love what they're doing. With the girl/girl stuff I've seen, the women always look like they're performing; there's a falsity to their acting (and their appendages, for that matter). The boys always seem like they're really into it. Excepting of course the "gay for pay" "str8 guys" genre that I like so much, but that's a different story for a different day...

198 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:23:27pm

#175 Judith

I own lots of porn videos but they are all gay porn because I like to look at sexy naked men.

I never understood why so many men were so fixated on porn with two women...until I saw one of these.

But I don't OWN any!

Neither do I -- think we should buy some? Under defeating stereotypes and all? Purely altruistic, of course.

And Sex In The City -- yeah, and not nearly enough NAKED MEN. Who cares about all the frigging clothes already?

Also -- #194 -- W in uniform. We're not shallow. We're asthetes. 'scuse me while I wipe up drool ... (There's something faintly wrong in lusting after the president. Even a YOUNG president.)

199 addison  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:24:59pm

Nick Berg's father shows once again his son was a better man than he:

"I challenge anyone deep in your hearts to realize that Kerry isn't like Bush," said Berg. "Bush is like Saddam Hussein. Bush condones rape and murder, and does it with a wink of an eye. Bush says he does it in the name of economic policy.

"John Kerry decried rape, murder and genocide while he was in Vietnam. If you think John Kerry will end this war too soon, I say 'too soon for what?' It'll save our sons and daughters.

"I can't afford a third party vote. This time, there is only one issue, justice in foreign policy. Vote for John Kerry--I'm going to."


From James Taranto (link)

200 beavereater  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:25:22pm

Kos is funny.

First of all, no one who watches "Sex and the City" is going to be reading LGF."

Kos gets his sex in the barn yard and in bath houses all over liberal land.

201 Jefe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:25:31pm

#193 piglet

My big problem with the KKK is that JUST because I'm jewish they won't let me join. :-)

Hey, I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member!

Y'know, normally sites like Kos cherry pick comments & remove all context to make LGF look bad. For this one, he couldn't even do that. OTOH, to make Kos look bad, all you have to do is link.

202 Ginger Liz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:25:37pm

#198 Portia -

We're asthetes.

Yep, I like that better!

203 Lysander  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:25:43pm

#175 Judith

I own lots of porn videos but they are all gay porn because I like to look at sexy naked men.

I never understood why so many men were so fixated on porn with two women...until I saw one of these.

But I don't OWN any!


LOL!

It almost looks like Zuniga wrote that after he got home from the Klan meeting. Anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together know that a bunch of Jooos hang out here (me included ;) ), as well as righteous gentiles ;)

Lysander

204 Dave Ray  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:26:51pm

194:

It's the best to a season we've had in my lifetime...I'm making the most of it!!! :-p

205 glwing  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:27:11pm

Just got back on and LMAO!!!

All the comments are great--I especially roared at #109.

I'll BRB as soon as I run get my white hood (damn those little holes are hard to see through) and get my porn videos running in the background.

206 cordy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:27:32pm

#194 Ginger Liz

"We" are not that shallow. Contrary to popular opinion, despite JFK's supposed charm and beauty, women voted for Nixon by a slight margin in 1960. It was men who put JFK into office. (I'm not judging right or wrong on that--simply that women don't always vote on beauty, charisma.)

Though I don't understand the preference for Clinton over Dole (which men also had).

207 PepSquad  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:28:08pm

Damn! Moore neglected to include trailers of Sex and the City before he premiered F/9.11 in Tehran. I guess he forgot.

208 piglet  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:28:10pm

Kos linked to st@rmfront. Which may mean they will notice and check out his site. He may have pissed them off. Which may make it clear to Kos the difference between LGF and St@rmfront. Of course some folks are just immune to the clue stick.

209 Smit  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:28:32pm

#198 portia

And Sex In The City -- yeah, and not nearly enough NAKED MEN. Who cares about all the frigging clothes already?

Completly agree! I could have done with a whole lot more of Smith, and a whole heap less of samantha...

210 Pamela  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:28:45pm

#41 lazytart

"I've had sex in New York.

Wait a minute.. no I haven't. "


I've had sex with a New Yorker does that count?

211 JamesW  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:28:47pm

Pooor Kos. LGF is getting all the traffic and the vindication. All he has is a candidate slipping in the polls and a network hemoraging credibility.

212 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:29:17pm

#164 DPI

I can send you a copy but I think you are well informed on such a subject.

Well, thank you :-)

All the same, I'm interested to hear anecdotal stuff.

213 Robert Crawford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:29:41pm

Sex in the City?

Why the hell would anyone want to watch that drek?

Watch something good, like "Dead Like Me".

214 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:30:11pm

#209 Smit

Completly agree! I could have done with a whole lot more of Smith, and a whole heap less of samantha...

Pah. They should make a show about Charlotte.

215 Geepers  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:30:54pm

Daily Kos Calls for LGF to Be Shut Down.

Yeah, good luck with that.

*** Lizardoid Minions Unite ! ***

Buckeye Abroad is back from Germany!

We're planning an LGFOhio meet up this Thursday in Columbus.

Which I believe is the same night as the meet up in New York with reaganite.

We can't be shut down Kos!

Bwaha ha ha ha.

216 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:31:07pm

Kos is jealous because we have the cool threads.

And how COOL is this thread? Conservative politics and gay male porn discussed by women. (And men. We don't discriminate.) And guns...

I've definitely found my neighborhood bar. Is this a drinking thread?

217 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:33:39pm
Who cares about all the frigging clothes already?

Are you mad!?

218 Carolina Girl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:34:19pm

#71 Max

Same here - highly paid legal professional, own my own home.

And to Zuniga and the rest for the tin-foil hat wearing brigade -- I began my school career in 1958 attending a SEGREGATED school in North Carolina because they wouldn't implement the Brown decision, so I don't need some snot nosed liberal telling me what racism is - I saw it every day of my life and know it for the horror that it is. If these pansies ever found themselves face to face with a Klansman they'd crap in their pants and run whining home to Momma and hide in HER attic.

And my proudest day was when my Republican mother told some jackass to "kindly refrain from saying [n-word] where her daughter could hear it. She told me once - "it ain't about black and white, darlin' - it's about right and wrong."

Sorry about the rant -- we now return you to our regularly scheduled broadcast.

219 wong fei hung  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:34:37pm

Markos:

Stop campaigning.

I know you're the DNC's token puta, but they don't give Purple Hearts for excessively scraped knees or anal hemorraging.

220 paul in Va  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:34:41pm

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221 Lysander  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:34:54pm

#208 piglet

Kos linked to st@rmfront. Which may mean they will notice and check out his site. He may have pissed them off. Which may make it clear to Kos the difference between LGF and St@rmfront. Of course some folks are just immune to the clue stick.


Ahh, but is there a difference between them and Kos - what's the bet they feel right at home over there? ;)

Lysander

222 leo (dissident view from Berlin)  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:35:09pm

#156 goldsmith - Here you can get what you need.

223 goldsmith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:35:36pm

#210

Well, I've had sex in New York, with an (ex)Muslim. And in Connecticut with a hockey player. And in Brooklyn with a FDNY fireman.

Gosh, this is starting to sound like Clue. But I did not have sex with Colonel Mustard. Or with Captain Ketchup for that matter...

*shudder*

224 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:35:38pm

#217 zulubaby

Have you seen this: Go Fug Yourself

225 PepSquad  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:35:39pm

I just went over to Kos to offer him some sex in my basement and he said, "The only bush I trust is my own."

226 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:36:46pm
227 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:36:50pm

Funny how since Charles put in registration, this site has become so criticism free that we don't see any need to argue with ad hominum attacks. I guess that's a good thing, but it makes me a little uncomfortable. LGF will continue to be slandered and our reputation will be largely determined by the lies told.

228 FlyingTigress  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:37:22pm
It's also women talking about their guns :-)

I don't talk about the Remington shotgun under the bed that -- if nothing else -- to scare the s__ out of an intruder when I 'pump' it.

:-) Well, not much anyway...

229 Bill Whittle  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:37:31pm

The best part of a GWB victory will be watching these people's heads explode.

(hopefully simulated)

No, wait. Delete that last sentence.

Oh, by the way...did the Gators really loose to Tennessee? I watched the game on CBS and I'd like some independent verification.

230 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:38:07pm

#217 -- zulubaby -- no. I was very irked at the beheading thread, but this one has wound me down.

Oh. Wait. THAT mad. No. You can enjoy clothes. Carry on. I'm a working mother. Don't have time to think of clothes. As far as I'm concerned the world should become clothing optional. Less laundry.

231 glwing  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:38:18pm

#215 Geepers

And just who, exactly, is he calling on to shut down LGF? Are they gonna start a letter writing campaign?
The one time I visited there (hate to drive up their hits) I saw some examples of their letter writing. LOL
One LLL commented "We should start writing letters like the Repuglicans do" (sudden brainstorm) and followed by posting what they had written to CBS.


Last week there was a service attack here and at Powerline at the same time, however, Powerline came back online before LGF.

232 Al di Grandpa  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:39:07pm

Forget that jerk! Somebody said, "Don't kill a guy committing suicde". He doen't know jack***

My mother lived in my basement.. Get back on cBS and
"Oh Danny Boy"

Al

233 FlyingTigress  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:39:15pm

#223...

And Ms. T. H-K is enough to make one go straight.

yeesh!

234 piglet  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:41:06pm

And I have had a serious jones for Carrie since she was on "Square pegs." No kalashnikov's in any of those dreams.

235 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:41:32pm
236 Charles  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:42:39pm

Believe me -- if Kos linked to Stormfront, they WILL notice it. I speak from experience. This is why I do not allow comments to contain links to that site, because the nasty pinheads invariably notice the link and come over to investigate, to see if they have some new comrades in hatred.

In the early days of LGF, we had one of their worst creeps harassing us (going by the name Mark Konrad), and he was one of the first people ever to get permanently banned from LGF.

237 Smit  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:42:43pm

#214 Colt - My best friend from childhood is the spitting image of Charlotte! She's also a bit ditzy in that innocent way.

#229 Bill Whittle - Hi babe, lovely to see you, but shouldn't you be putting the finishing touches to those two essays you've been promising - I don't know how much longer I can wait! You've shown me the meaning of that proverb about 'expectation postponed making the heart sick'...

;)

238 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:43:14pm
239 FrankNH  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:44:10pm

For a little humorous break, you've just got to go read the latest screed from the Michigan Manatee.
[Link: michaelmoore.com...]

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaa!"
Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
240 Mr Pol  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:44:50pm

#230 Portia

As far as I'm concerned the world should become clothing optional.

Michael Moore. 'nuff said.

241 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:45:01pm

Colt, awesome website, thanks!

Portia, I'm obsessed, I can't help myself.

242 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:46:11pm

Mr Pol, too true. LOL.

243 Carolina Girl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:46:40pm

#240 Mr Pol

If that visual you have just created doesn't get out of my head soon, I will need to tear my face off as a distraction.

244 SumGi  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:47:27pm

How about an LGF demographics survey? I suspect there are many highly educated profesionals lurking here. This site's topics are based ~ 90% on facts and research, (sometimes bordering on the pedantic), while theirs are based 90% on emotion and ideology.

245 manofaiki  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:48:01pm

First of all, a little accuracy Charles.

Kos didn't say you should be shut down, he was just incensed to discover that AOL-Time Warner and the Wall Street Journal advertise over here.

We all know liberals are driven insane by discovering there are large segments of society that don't think the way the do, that are not as pure, holy, compassionate and accepting.

Which is why they always use words like RACIST, THUGS, HOMOPHOBE and GUN NUTS.

They are only warm, kind and considerate to those who are within their fold. Outside the fold, you are fair game, and the liberal can, with a completely clear conscience, call you any hateful and spiteful thing he can think of because you deserve it.

It never occurs to him what he's doing to himself spirtitually by doing that, of course.

I haven't met one conservative who I would say HATES liberals. But I have met plenty of leftists that absolutely HATE conservatives.

We think they're misguided and have some good points. We think they should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want.

They think we're evil and need to be silenced and not allowed to publish books, talk in the radio, be seen on TV or HAVE BLOGS.

But do not fear, little flock. It's your Father's good Pleasure to remind you that THEY'RE OUTNUMBERED.

BY ALOT.

Amen.

manofaiki

246 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:48:26pm

Who would he have shut it down? I must have missed it.

247 cordy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:48:31pm

One way to turn a gay guy straight--Michael Moore in gay guy porn. Of course, any women watching would instantly be turned to lesbianism...I think I became one just thinking about it.

248 Colt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:49:06pm

#237 Smit

My best friend from childhood is the spitting image of Charlotte! She's also a bit ditzy in that innocent way.

Weird - I know someone like that, too.

#241 zulubaby

Thought you'd like that :-)

The Awful Plastic Surgery site is kinda funny, too.

249 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:50:47pm

#240 Mr. Pol

Ew. Digging out eyes with spoon now. Ew. Ew.

Actually -- Michael Moore, captain Ketchup and his sister the wondrous, traitorous virago of vega SHOULD wear burkas. Other people to be added to the list as mood strikes.

250 Mr Pol  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:50:55pm

#243 Carolina Girl

If that visual you have just created doesn't get out of my head soon, I will need to tear my face off as a distraction.

There are better ways to cure that. Put in a glass:

- 1 ice-cube
- 5 cc of cane syrup
- the juice of one lime
- 20 cc of rum

Drink. Repeat medication until the symptoms disappear.

251 The Rising Tide  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:52:54pm

I can't wait for the sweet sound of shrieking from DU and Kos... Nov 3rd will be so sweet.

252 wordwolf  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:53:14pm

Sex and the City?

Tried to read the book about five years ago. Couldn't get past the first ten pages.

Now, if you want REAL sordid TV with gratuitous nudity, Nip/Tuck is the only way to go...

253 kimberly  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:53:47pm

#224 - Go Fug Yourself rocks. I commented on there several times today, in fact.

As for Kos - he's an adolescent, right? I mean, there's no way that an adult would expect to be taken seriously with his kind of language, is there? I mean, I understand that a teenager would not realize how much his envy shows through. Charles is rightfully getting a lot of attention for exposing CBS as the dishonest, biased organization it is. And Kos responds with something I would expect from a 13-year-old on LiveJournal who just got rejected by his crush.

Let's find a Mr. Rogers lookalike to visit Kos and say, "Can you say sour grapes? I knew you could!"

254 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:53:55pm

#235 Rayra 9/20/2004 04:41PM PST

Well, I think that the site is more convincing if we DO attempt to answer criticism. If the criticism isn't serious, then you take the time to prove that it isn't serious... If you want to convince people then appearance matters.

And I make my own criticism because I do want the site to be convincing to the unconverted...

That said, we there are deep reasons why LGF makes people uncomfortable. The distinction between a hawk and a bigot can easily be lost on someone who glances at a thread and never comes back. And the need for Americans to be hawks, while obvious from the weight of evidence in the news stories - if you read them for enough weeks and months, can also be easily lost on someone who glances at the site and assumes some ulterior motive for the choice of articles - rather than seeing the extent of the threat.

We have an arguement to make, and we're largely just assuming that people will figure it out for themselves.

255 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:54:05pm

#247 cordy

I don't think I can turn lesbian, but I think this mental picture will cause abstinence till I can forget it.

Carolina girl -- yes! it IS a drinking thread.

256 Carolina Girl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:54:28pm

#250

Yes...yes...that might work. Hope is on the horizon. Makes mental note of ingredients. Decides to keep bottle of tequila a desk in future for medicinal purposes.

I think a demographic might scare the 'bats. If only to find out we're all not over 75 and think white sheets are a fashion statement.

257 piglet  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:55:22pm
"Brad [Pitt's] effect is far-reaching. One night a few of us, shall
we say, lesbians were in the hot tub watching the guys play basketball in
the pool. We were staring at Brad, and we all agreed he could change a
woman's mind."

-- Rocker Melissa Etheridge to Vanity Fair.

258 sonofsheldon  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:57:02pm

After that blistering critique from Kos, I even hate to post this, but . . .

This from today's column by Joanne Jacobs. She's quoting Greg Easterbrooke from The Atlantic.

"Here are the 500 best universities in the world, according to Shanghai Jiao Tong University. The list starts: Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, Berkeley, MIT, Cal Tech, Princeton, Oxford, Columbia, Chicago.

NormBlog and Nelson Ascher point out the regional breakdown. Of the top 20, 17 are U.S., two British and one Japanese, Ascher writes:

Only 35 countries have at least one university among the 500 (more exactly 502) best.

While Israel (population around 6 millions or 0.1 percent of mankind) has seven of these, all the Islamic countries together (maybe 1/5 of mankind) have not a single one."

Not that it means anything of course. I certainly don't want to be scolded again for demeaning any culture, no matter how sick or twisted they are.
Oops!

259 Mr Pol  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:58:17pm

#256 Carolina Girl

If it doesn't work, get a bottle of mezcal, and eat the worms in it - but don't drink the stuff, it really tastes bad.

260 Aviator  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:58:33pm

#249 Portia

Michael Moore in a burka? Where would Ringling Brothers hold the circus?

261 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:59:35pm

#247 cordy 9/20/2004 04:48PM PST

I think that image (Michael Moore etc...) could be used by dieters everywhere to keep them on their diets.

262 kimberly  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 2:59:51pm

#218 - I hear and understand your comments about dealing with racism first-hand. I remember watching Klansmen march down the streets of a local town when I was in high school. What jackshits.

Of course, Kos's crew are the type that lump all Southerners in with klansmen, so the mere fact that we grew up in - and grew to despise - such blatant racism would probably be twisted and used against us. Kos's crew are as bigoted as they come, so they lump Republicans, and Southerners, and LGF, and Stormfront into one big stew, because it's the only way they can feel superior to anyone.

As for demographics, I'm a female psychometrician (Ph.D. in Quant Psych), own my own home in a very diverse area, work in a major US city, and am active in volunteer work (the local animal shelters) and the adult goth scene. I also have my own blog on testing; unlike Kos, I understand how to harness both the power of Google and the expertise of others on the web.

Oh, and I'm gettin' a diamond engagement ring for my 36th birthday. Hee hee.

263 Dizzy26  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:00:07pm

#77
re:sex in THE city
#78

#79

Does Ithaca, New York count?

just day dreaming

Diz

264 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:01:32pm

#260 -- Aviator

Well, you could call it a Big Tent solution.

Or perhaps a massive, huge, gigantic tent solution.


Seriously -- though not much -- on the subject of JFKerry's massively ugly face... All my female friends agree that while it is not the main reason -- we're not that shallow -- we simply cannot allow that ugly a person to be president. I mean, his picture would hang in our embassies throughout the land. As mad as we are at the Europeans, we still think this would be unwarranted cruelty.

265 cordy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:01:41pm

#261 Joshua

Yeah. At the very least the dieter would vomit whenever recallling that image.

266 kimberly  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:02:31pm

#264 - I agee. Put his mug next to Bush (esp. Bush as a young man in his flight gear), and there's just no contest.

267 Rant Wraith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:03:14pm

I had no idea I was among such horrible people. I guess I should stop polishing my AK-47, eject the Nazi-porn disc and go upstair so Mother can spank me for being a sick, naughty, dirty boy.

I'm so sorry Mummy. I didn't mean to read the bad wedsite. And I didn't mean to use the wire hanger.

268 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:05:47pm

#260 Aviator

LMAO

269 martinsmithy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:05:57pm

Actually, I didn't see any attempt to shut LGF down - unless you call threatening an advertiser an attempt to shut LGF down.

But egad, they REALLY don't like this site... The truth hurts.

270 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:07:22pm
The truth hurts.


Huh?

271 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:07:39pm

OT.

Oooh, CBC's "As it happens" is doing an interview on the CBS story. We'll see how what they say. "As is happens" is very good. I don't think I've ever heard them spin anything (though they've never tried to portray themselves as a serious program).

They tend to do very long phone interviews on every story - sometimes with multiple sources. That's their advantage, though if they pick the wrong sources, they still might not get the story.

272 Captain Nemo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:10:30pm

goldsmith,
It's no use. They won't beat you up. I'm gay too; I mentioned it in a thread last week, when it seemed relevant to the political discussion. I had one troll attack me, and the whole gang turned on HIM. It was almost disappointing, really ... I was having fun batting his brain around like a cat with a mouse, placidly agreeing with him on points where he didn't actually realize he had conceded ground, taking him by the hand and leading him back to the scene of his own contradictions ... (Seriously, I enjoy messing with the minds of gay-baiters by answering them seriously and watching them backpaddle. They ALWAYS backpaddle) but my fun was interrupted by mass hordes of LGF regulars stomping him into a little greasy spot on the rug. And then Charles (Hail, O sssaurian massster!) BANNED him. I was quite impressed, actually, & felt quite welcome.

I cannot STAND left-wingers like that Kos guy who presume to speak for me and presume to tell me who my friends and enemies are. My enemy is the enemy who actually DOES kill gay men and mutilate women. My friends are my countrymen who are resolved to resist that enemy, resist shariah, and defend liberty.

273 Banagor  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:13:23pm

Wooowhee! Yeayah!

Kos is so on about the gun rack thing - a few parsecs off the other stuff however.

Maybe it's time I write another installment in The Adventures of Hippie Hunting!

I wonder what he'd say about my site?

Right on, Charles! The more you piss'em off, the happier I get every day. :)

274 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:14:18pm

#272 Captain Nemo

My enemy is the enemy who actually DOES kill gay men and mutilate women. My friends are my countrymen who are resolved to resist that enemy, resist shariah, and defend liberty.

Amen!

275 Beagle  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:18:19pm

It's sad, given his enormous and undeserved MSM coverage, that Kos would resort to such obvious untruths. But there you have it. I think they call it projection.

Basset hounds have bigger ears than beagles. Wow.

276 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:18:40pm

They're interviewing two professors.

So far they've ripped Burkett to shreds, saying that he's been posting anti-Bush screeds online, that (/) he tried to sell his story to the democrats and that he's disgruntled against the National Guard...

They're talking about blogs right now, but they STILL haven't mentioned the evidence that the documents are fake.

The professors are attacking the blogs. "That is too new for me"

The professor is spinning conspiracy theories:
"4 hours after the report aired, blogs posted detailed analysis about the report and the documents and something about a 'th'. My goodness I want to know where that came from."

That 'th' was the only mention in the whole report of any evidence that the documents are fake!.

Damn it. "As it happens picked the wrong professors" They just attacked blogs as "unchecked" they only repeated the MSM part of the story, and they implied conspiracy theories. The repeated "My goodness, where did that come from?" three fucking times!

Oh well.

Also my NPR station is in a pledge drive. They seem to have cut the story short themselves.

277 SunCat  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:18:58pm
So, I wandered over there to get my daily dose of angry race rage -- this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people -- and found to my surprise that two mainstream companies are advertising on the website:

That's funny, I read LGF all the time and I have nothing against African-Americans and gay people.

278 Gruen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:19:36pm

My heart nearly stopped, I thought that picture was my wife...

279 Juliette  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:21:58pm

He's just mad because of this.

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280 Earl  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:24:25pm

#138 DPI

Aussi moi. Mon francais est le francais de l'ecole secondaire d'Ontario; il est pauvre.

Mais je vous questionne, "Pourquois vous, un Juif, habitez dans la France? Ils vous detestent."

281 Frank IBC  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:24:49pm

victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people

What on earth is this pathetic loser talking about?

I've seen virtually ZERO reference that's specifically about African-Americans, in ANY context.

Also, it would seem that this idiot assumes "anti-gay-marriage" automatically means "anti-gay", ignoring the fact that many gays are either lukewarm in their support for it, or even oppose it entirely.

Do these people use even one of the brain cells that G-d has given them?

282 manofaiki  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:25:16pm

Kos got his ass handed to him, no doubt about it.

And the result is this long screed that sounds like it was written by Eric Harris of Columbine fame.

STill waiting for the post where Kos goes:

"Gee folks, turns out I was wrong, the CBS memos actually ARE fake! Turns out Charles Johnson over at Little Green Footballs actually DID deserve that 15 minutes of fame for his neat little GIF. I'm sorry! I'll be more careful next time! Honest!"

Instead, we get: "LITTE GREEN FOOTBALLS IS FULL OF RACISTS, HOMOPHOBES, SADISTS, MISYGONISTS, NAZIS...and people who can tell the difference between a word processor and a typewriter when I couldn't...BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT!!! THEY'RE FULL HATE, THEY'RE NASTY, THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL!!!"

Nice. Very nice. Kos, next time calm down before you write and you won't look like so much of a dickhead.

manofaiki

283 Frank IBC  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:25:25pm

OT, but is anyone else having serious problems with Hotmail tonight?

284 Throbert McGee  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:26:34pm
I assume you're both ladies, so you've answered a question I've always had: do any women like gay male porn the way men like "lesbian" porn?

Google "slash fanfic" and hang on to your hat!

285 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:29:56pm

Who could be sad when they're looking at Jack the Basset?

#172 lazytart

I'm afraid the Moonbats are 100% for real about this!

I think the real reason behind Kos' rage with this site is that we dare to criticize Islam, and Islamofacists---the new icons of the Left. And they hate America, and support anyone who tries to bring her down.

Hope all is well with your son. Let us know how it's going! Hugs and prayers!

+++

{{{ :>) }}}

286 piglet  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:30:24pm

Peace is here at last.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

TEL AVIV, Israel - Pop star Madonna (news - web sites) called for world peace Sunday at a conference on Jewish mysticism, a highlight of her five-day pilgrimage to the Holy Land.


AP Photo


Reuters Photo
Slideshow: Madonna


Israel hopes the star — the biggest pop celebrity to visit in years — will revive tourism battered by four years of Mideast violence, and government officials were on hand at a Tel Aviv hotel to share the spotlight, the glory and the photographs.


Madonna, wearing a green-and-white patterned dress, said she was hesitant to come to Israel "after seeing so many news reports about terror attacks."


"I realize now that it is no more dangerous to be here than it is to be in New York," she told the gathering.


Madonna was raised a Roman Catholic, but she has become an avid devotee of Jewish mysticism in recent years. She has adopted the Hebrew name Esther, wears a red thread on her wrist to ward off the evil eye and reportedly refuses to perform on the Jewish Sabbath.

287 Captain Nemo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:30:33pm

Oh, and goldsmith, one more thing, what was that about a hockey player? Do tell. Come over here and whisper in my ear. Was he cute? (Stupid question, all hockey players are cute -- why is that?) Did he have "hockey hair"? Blond or brunet? Or red? (You don't see many red-headed hockey players do you? Or do you?) Did he have a cute nickname? American or Canadian? How tall? What position? Uh, what position on the ice, I mean? Uh, I mean, that is to say... You didn't. On the ice? You did. Did you?

288 damital  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:31:44pm

Heck, at least LGF has comments to check... 285 here, 5 there. Haha.

289 badanov  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:32:58pm

I call Kos's screed losing all control of one's bodily functions.

The left is gone in 2004. It will take years for them tor recover.

290 Cornholio  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:33:04pm

Wow I knew Kos was nuts, but I didn't realize he was that nuts. One of these days he's gonna get hit with a lawsuit for libel.

hopefuly soon :-)

291 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:33:30pm

#283 Frank IBC

OT, but is anyone else having serious problems with Hotmail tonight?

Nothing screwy over here.

292 Dar ul Harbarian  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:33:31pm

#47 Glen

Funny there's no Kerry-Edwards ad on Daily Kos.

Oh, now I remember why ...

Ha ha ha ha ha
BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAH

A hearty second!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA!

293 richard mcenroe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:34:07pm

So the pooch couldn't believe Rather's statement either, huh?

294 Gruen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:34:53pm

Sterotyping is a terrible thing and the sign of a feeble mind. To lump all LGF'ers into one narrow definition, to say we're all Nazi, racist, bible kissing, anti-gay, republican loyalists, gun lovin' rednecks speaks volumes about the simpletons at blogs like that.

KOS should ask why so many Democrats (many former Democrats) are over here. The truth is LGF is populated by people of many hues and political beliefs, many religions and people from many countries. Why? Because we know the urgent situation facing us today.

And how dare they compare this site to Stormfront. That is an outrageous thing to say.

295 badanov  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:36:32pm

LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs and own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women.

My mother and me live apart and I don;t have any porn.

It's for teenaged guys who read Soldier of Fortune and fantasize about spending their summers "slithering around on their bellies in Survivalist camps in Idaho."

I am 50 and I live in Oklahoma

It's for people who wished the Klan was still around and influential, for people who used to like David Duke but hate him now that he's sympathetic to Palestine, for people who thought the Columbine massacre was "a good thing that they wish they had been in on."

Huh?

In short: LGF is sicko-ville deluxe. And irredeemably so. This is Stormfront stuff.

So naturally you provide your readers with a link.

The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."

No, I think the appropriate response to girls like "Sex in the City" is to whip out the credit card.

296 Charles  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:37:56pm

See my update. Markos is now patting Michael Moore on the back for undermining troop morale in Iraq.

297 Farmer Joe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:41:04pm

I had sex in Hoboken once. Does that count?

298 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:41:16pm

#284

I once sold a house to a cute gay (male) couple. My friends who are mostly married women, mostly middle aged, professionals, stable and -- many of them -- terribly religious saw them when they came for a showing and -- after they bought -- tried to convince me I needed to put a bunch of hidden cameras in strategic locations before the new owners moved in.

Shocked ME and I'm hard to shock.

And I didn't put the cameras in. Illegal and all that.

299 Bob Munck  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:42:59pm

The KOS article doesn't call for you to be shut down, it just describes your blog. And quite accurately, too.

300 Gruen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:45:02pm

#299


Oh G-d, here we go...

301 Farmer Joe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:45:56pm

#299

Oh please!

302 J.D.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:46:21pm

299 Bob
Oh, really. Do tell.

303 RIP Ford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:46:51pm

#299 Bob Munck

Reading comprehension apparently waved bye-bye to you a long time ago. Perhaps you should post less and read more.

304 james37211  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:49:11pm

No wonder I feel at home here...


(chickens clucking)

305 The Monster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:52:32pm

LGF is indeed 'racist', provided that you remember the definition of the word...

racist /rās'·ĭst/ Someone winning an argument with a liberal


Look around you folks. When all they have is the 'racist' label, it means we're winning.

306 Gruen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:53:56pm

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but, B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bob...


I'm not a gun totin', Jesus lovin' right wing redneck...How can that be???

Markos said I would be...Oh no...

307 TalkinKamel  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 3:58:48pm

#299 Bob Munck

Why no, Bob, it doesn't describe it accurately at all!

If you'd ever read it, you'd know that most of us are actually Lizardoid aliens, from the planet Andymedia. Our leader, the mighty lizard master Charles, hides out in Denver Airport, and has a fondness for cigars.

Not all of us are reptilian aliens, of course; I, myself, am a 1930's cartoon camel, with big, Betty Boop eyes and a bow tied behind my ears (Think Minnie Mouse, from early Disney.) I live in a nice little cartoon house, in Toonsville, and do not own any ponography, and have never read "Soldier of Fortune" magazine. I have no fondness for the Klan, and do not abuse Jews, blacks, gays, or anybody else.

I do own an Ak-47 however, and I have used it to blow away our TVset when the unspeakable Carrie Bradshaw's cross-eyed, big-nosed face with its mop of ratty yellow hair appears---but I assure you, this is merely a critical response to a show I consider a piece of dreck, and doesn't hurt Carrie Bradshaw (who isn't a real person, after all) or the actress who plays her---though it does tend to be rough on our TV's. However, my husband, Boris the Bactrian Kamel, is generous, and is always willing to buy another TV, after I blow up the old one. (I tend to lose control when "reality" shows come on, too.)

Anyway, Bob, I hope this clears things up for you!

308 abu_garcia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:04:45pm

#299: Well, if we can't have nodrog there's always Bob Munck.

309 grimus  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:11:47pm

I had never heard of this other site until you posted it here. It is nice to know that Carville has so many blogs and fake ids.

310 Rugby the Rat  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:12:22pm
#299 Bob Munck 9/20/2004 05:42PM PST

The KOS article doesn't call for you to be shut down, it just describes your blog. And quite accurately, too.

WOW!! it is so cute!! remrakable how it creates the illusoin of intlleigence in much the swame way that a stick insetc creates the illusion of benig a stick?!? (only it's not a stick its a bug and probably very tasty othrewise it wouldnt bother to disguise itslef??)
 

Based on its manifestly low grade of brains i hypothesethize that the BOBMUNCK specimen is some form of mollusc or crqwustacean... can i keep it plz??! i will make it a PRETTY HOUSE out of my old newspapres and take it for wlaks and feed it!!!
 
plz??!!
 
hi i am rugby and i am a RAT and ready to show taht i am a responsble pet owner!!!

311 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:16:25pm

Oh how typical! As soon as a leftie gets in a jam out come the epithets, Racist, homophobe, sexist, or some combination thereof. There needs to be an addendum to Godwin's Law or something.

I'm getting a little sick of lily-white lefties speaking on behalf of all minorities. I've never seen a single overtly anti-black post on LGF especially from a regular poster, but I'm willing to bet you can find plenty of disparaging if not openly racist comments about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and/or Condi Rice at sites like Kos or DU.

312 adam_dc  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:23:26pm

While I vehemently disagree with Kos, I must say he is right...some of the comments on LGF are indeed blatanly "anti-Arab and anti-Muslim".

Look most reasonable people are neither extreme left/anti-American/anti-Bush--as some of Kos's patrons cheerily are, nor are they extreme bigots, like some LGFers. After reading a few of the posts, I am now turned off by the sampling of the "right" here.

313 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:23:49pm

kos's post begins as follows:

Michale Moore has big fans overseas.

Firstly, it's Michael, not Michale. By "big fans" does kos mean that Michale's fans are obese, like him? Further, what is it with the LLL's that they're so enamored with the Europeans? They're such plebs, more in awe of the French than even the French are with themselves. If kos hates the US so much, why doesn't he return his passport and go back to wherever it is that he came from. Or maybe he should move to Europe. I can't post there because kos only grants vampires permission to post on his shit blog so hopefully he'll read this thread. I wonder if binky is working on another deranged, sick rant masterpiece.

314 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:25:00pm

# 311 azul93gt:

but I'm willing to bet you can find plenty of disparaging if not openly racist comments about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and/or Condi Rice at sites like Kos or DU.

While I agree with you about not finding racist comments at LGF aimed at those you listed, you will find plenty of disparaging comments aimed at Powell, and how the he leads the State Dept in a terror appeasing way. He's been a major letdown, and needs to be removed in the second term.

315 brinster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:26:54pm

Bob, name one poster to LGF who is pro-Aryan Nation, please...we all wanna know Bob...hurry, time's runnin' out Bob!!!

316 Banagor  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:27:05pm

#310

Was that written with one of those newfangled color ribbon typewriters? :)

317 brinster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:27:53pm

Bob? You there Bob?

318 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:28:46pm

# 312 adam_dc:

While I vehemently disagree with Kos, I must say he is right...some of the comments on LGF are indeed blatanly "anti-Arab and anti-Muslim".

Yer damned straight. Just because you're blind as a bat when it comes to Islam doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.

319 brinster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:29:01pm

Bob?

320 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:29:57pm
nor are they extreme bigots

Sez adam_dc on a thread where binky compared the LGFer's to Nazis. Nothing extreme about that.

... this makes you really sympathize for other victims of the LGF mentality, like African-Americans and gay people

Nothing bigoted about that either.

321 brinster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:31:09pm

Heyyy Bob! Don't be afraid now, Bob. Our AK-47s are out of ammo.

322 The Other Les  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:32:46pm

# 8 Colt

I actually live in the basement of a Kalashnikov owning lesbian. And my rifle of choice is a semi-auto FAL (Austrian StG 58) rebuilt on a D.S. Arms receiver.

323 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:32:51pm

#299 BobMunck

Please point out the basement dwelling teens reading Soldier of Fortune magazine posting on this site.

Do point out the post(s) that should make black Americans and gays afraid.

This strange mantra that the Leftists in their own corner such as Kos, Atrios, DU and others, that moderates and conservatives...indeed anyone that has left the Leftist plantation is doing so because of their sex life calls for psychiatric intervention.

I'm a 50 yearold woman, happily married, four daughters, two grandsons who could put the gals on Sex in the City to shame...

If my girls ever found out what has happened on the diningroom table...

;-)

324 Chiizzipain  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:33:16pm

What goes around comes around Markos Zuniga. And I bet it will hurt.

325 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:33:42pm
326 A Ziggen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:36:15pm

Don't feed the trolls...or the Bob Munck's. There is nothing to be gained and seconds of productive thought to be lost.

Let them fester in their LLL fever swamp.

327 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:37:59pm

If Kerry is pro the war in Iraq, why do the Bush-haters think that voting for Kerry means an end to the war?

328 brinster  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:39:12pm

Bob, come back!

329 gabe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:40:47pm

KOS is right about LGF being part of a vast rightwing conspiracy! I can prove it!

I've only been perusing the pages of LGF for a couple of weeks now, and I have not gotten
"my daily dose of angry race rage" yet!
I know what's going on! You all have your computers set to watch for my presence, and when I am detected, you instantly change the links in the server and redirect me to the FAKE LGF site you show to all who do not have surgically implanted ROVE-A-TRONS embedded in their watchamacallits!

This is just the kind of reason why I never played High School football! After every play, each team would huddle together and talk about me!

..do I need a tag here?... //off

330 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:44:24pm
CBS made a little mistake, but their claims about the memos are essentially correct in all important ways. This whole kerning/superscript bru-ha-ha has been pretty much a complete waste of time.
CBS got it right. Dan Rather got it right. You guys were right, too, but about a trivial and meaningless detail.

Yes, it's all so trivial, Bob. Personally, I think Dan Rather should go to jail. What he did was fraud.

331 stapleboy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:45:50pm

Probably the best post ever. Concise jab at Daily Kos, followed by an excellent basset hound picture. Followed by a combined Daily Kos/Michael Moore laugh. Where there's intelligence and humor, quality always follows. And even Al "Captain Crazy Pants" Gore would probably have a human-esque reaction resembling a chuckle at the sight of Jack the Basset!

332 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:46:47pm

#330 zulubaby

I was hoping against hope since Dannyboy went to Texas to playact with Burkett that the evening news would show the two of 'em being perp-walked by either Texas AG or Feds.

I girl can dream!

333 the oracle sez  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:47:13pm

In case you didn't know it, KOS must stand for "Knights Of Satan", or maybe "Knights of Stupidity"! Pick your choice.

334 Fondu  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:49:02pm

I am not too familiar with liberal sites, including the one "KOS". I read the background info on their site. It said that the site was named due to the admin person's nickname while in the military.

I am not too familiar with military terms. The only understanding of the term "KOS" stems from online games. There it means "Kill On Sight". Is that what KOS means? If it does, why would this guy call his site, "Kill On Sight"? Did he get that nickname by killing "people on sight" or is it some joke about killing on sight? Maybe someone here knows what it means.

Well, whatever it means, I am not too impressed with what I saw. The post from their site is childish and stereotyping. They preach free speech, differing viewpoints, etc but if you can't "walk the talk" then they just show themselves to be hypocrits. Stating that, "They are all poopy heads." is only used by children when they don't have enough experience or knowledge to discuss things effectively.

335 Dagenham  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:49:09pm

Zuniga can take his own adivce and go 'screw himself' - and that's coming from a "mentally-ill sadist" :P

PS Damn! I nip outside for a sly ciggie and 300-odd people are saying the same, oops! Well let me add to their calls Master Zuniga, why don't you 'screw yourself' and your fella Bink too???

PPS I take it that Zuniga hasn't admitted that his BS defence of Rather was taken straight from the donkey's ass???

336 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:51:48pm

Darleen, I don't get it. I'd be screaming blue murder if someone slandered me like this, never mind on national television, never mind that Bush is the president, we're mere weeks away from an election, and the country is at war. Dan Rather says he's sorry. My parents taught me that if someone apologizes sincerely, I should accept it and forgive them. I don't accept Rather's apology, it's not enough and it's not good enough.

337 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:54:14pm

# 338 zulubaby:

My parents taught me that if someone apologizes sincerely, I should accept it and forgive them. I don't accept Rather's apology, it's not enough and it's not good enough.

Also, Rather's apology is not sincere.

338 Jakester  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:56:53pm

Screw Binki, after we kill all the Muslims and the d'himmis, we do in all the Finns!
(lol, I am one of the more moderate ones)

339 Jakester  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:57:54pm
The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."


Binki is full of it, I'll take a Mini-30 or an H&K any day!

340 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:59:01pm

#314 RickZ 9/20/2004 06:25PM PST

I must admit that I usually gloss over the Powell criticism here at LGF. If you like Powell or not I feel that most of the criticism is somewhat unrealistic like the idea that Powell would be canned in a Bush IInd term. However, I haven't seen any LGF'ers lash out at Powell with racial epithets like we know several prominent lefties have done to Rice and Thomas.

341 Rugby the Rat  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 4:59:57pm
#323 Darleen 9/20/2004 06:32PM PST

I'm a 50 yearold woman, happily married, four daughters,
two grandsons who could put the gals on Sex in the City to shame...

um lady i would keep an eye on thoes two boys if you know what i mean. it may be cute wehn they go on shoe shoppign sprees, but next thign theyre flirting w/ major league baseball playres and UPS men...
 
EXhibit A: uncle bob!!
 
ps. hello! i am rugby and i am a rat & i do not jugde the lifesltye choices of primates; i'm just saying.

342 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:03:57pm

# 340 azul93gt:

If you like Powell or not I feel that most of the criticism is somewhat unrealistic like the idea that Powell would be canned in a Bush IInd term.

Why do you say that? Do you think Powell is doing a bang up job at State?

343 Juliette  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:07:05pm

Iron Fist:

Hey, Sweet Thang!

344 Farmer Joe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:10:43pm

#336 ZB

Bush knows he doesn't have to do anything. If your enemy is self-destructing, there's no need to help. Bush is in good shape for November, and he knows it.

345 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:14:00pm

I really don't know if Powell is doing a poor job at State because I don't know what Bush expects from him. As far as I know he's doing what is expected of him to show a public counter-balance to other elements of the Bush Admin. policies. (good cop, bad cop) Powell's position requires at least a public appearance of a more conciliatory or neutral position. I can see how an LGF'er would dislike this appearance, but this is the way the game is played as far as I can tell.

346 armytramp  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:14:49pm

#197

"I assume you're both ladies, so you've answered a question I've always had: do any women like gay male porn the way men like "lesbian" porn?"

Heck, yeah.

Not only is it an unbelievably thriving underground market, but you may entertain yourself by web surfing the following:

Slash

Slash fanfic

Yaoi

Shonen ai

An entire genre of comic books is devoted to gay fiction by women for women, only a lot of guys read it, too.

Isn't truth stranger than fiction?

By the way, some yahoo posted that LGF'ers were anti-Arab. Well, a handful might be, but most LGF'ers are anti-extremist Islam.

There are Jewish Arabs, Christian Arabs and poor Sunni Arabs who wouldn't hurt a fly. Why on Earth would LGF'ers have a problem with Coptic Christians who are Egyptian and Arab?

It seems to me that if the folks over at that other site were truly concerned with gay rights and women's rights, they would also be anti-extremist Islam a religion that also teaches that black people are born slaves and naturally subjugated to the Arab Muslim.

I couldn't possibly be anti-Arab. Som of those guys are hot. When they aren't KKKoran-thumpers, that is. No one likes a religious nutjob.

And why are some people over there in LLL land so quick to jump on Southern Crackers from Alabama for having goofy beliefs about the Bible, but if you point out goofy beliefs in Islam, you're just a hate-monger, hm?

347 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:14:56pm

RickZ, of course not, because he's not sorry, he's just sorry that he got found out. Now he's bleating about being duped. Like hell he was. And with all due respect, how does such a "reputable journalist" get duped so easily? How does a man whose been in the industry for decades fall for such blatant forgery? After all these years he doesn't know what investigating a story is, he's forgotten about verifying sources? Please. Tell it to the judge, Dan.

348 Dagenham  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:15:33pm

#336
Rather's apology might have been acceptable a week ago. What's changed? Has he finally realised that the public know he's been BS-ing? Well that's not good enough. Anyone can apologise after they realise they've been sprung good and proper. At least El Pais and the union guys said 'sorry' the moment they got the chance...

Am chuckling at C-BS's plummetting ratings, bet they're so pleased they stuck by Ole Dannyboy...

349 Freddy Boy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:17:56pm

#250
There are better ways to cure that. Put in a glass:

- 1 ice-cube
- 5 cc of cane syrup
- the juice of one lime
- 20 cc of rum

Drink. Repeat medication until the symptoms disappear.

I prefer...

2 ice-cubes

2 oz. Balvenie 15yr Single Malt

Drink. Repeat as needed...

350 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:18:25pm

Zulubaby,

didn't you get today's MEMO? Kerry is now AGAINST the war... he "wouldn't have removed Saddam"...

LOL!!

351 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:19:02pm

Farmer Joe (#344)

It's not only about November, it's the whole issue. Rather's apology is nothing, it's meaningless. I want to see him and Mapes thoroughly investigated. My hatred for the media is on a par with their hatred for Bush. Just to give you some perspective. I want to see that industry held accountable for the propaganda and lies that they put out there, pretending that it's "news". I'm sick of it.

352 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:19:53pm

lazytart, are you serious?

353 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:21:06pm

BTW, I could be dead wrong. I acknowledge that.

354 Farmer Joe  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:22:56pm

#351 ZB

I hear you, and I feel the same way, but I think that Bush figures that winning is the best revenge.

It's not a just outcome, but for practical purposes, it'll do.

355 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:23:18pm

# 345 azul93gt:

I don't have a problem with Powell being the good cop (dare I say UN-ite?) to Bush's bad cop. I have a problem with the way State seems to be at odds with Bush's policies, and Powell doesn't seem able to reign in Foggy Bottom. There have been too many policies/dicta emanating from State that have been unhelpful in the WoT. Whether Bush is deceptive by pushing these policies, or the professional dipples from our liberal universities are doing this on their own needs to be seriously explored. And somehow explained. Terminations should occur as needed.

356 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:27:09pm

Zulubaby, YES!!

357 Milla  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:29:38pm

I love when pseudo-intellectual types are reduced to name calling fits of rage.

358 bbcrackmonkey  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:31:09pm

I've been through a lot of political transformations in my life but I've always been relatively open-minded. I was a very vocal Democrat up until my senior year of high-school when the twin towers fell down.

When you're seeing 3000 people incinerated in front of you on live television, all the petty crap you used to argue politics about suddenly doesn't seem so important.

I am still and will always be an atheist, but I have the depth of knowledge to realize that Islam is the most right-wing, reactionary, mysogimistic religion on the planet. I used to be one of those Christian-hating atheists until I stopped and did an objective view of all the world's religions, trying to find the absolute worst ones. Islam won hands down, and were I living in an Islamic country, I would be put to death for apostacism.

Kind of puts things in perspective.

Oh yeah and I'm also very anti-KKK, anti-nazi, and pro gay rights. Somebody ought to get the memo to the Kossacks that the Nazis and KKK folks come in here just to troll these boards because of how pro-Israel this site is.

359 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:31:40pm

# 347 zaulbaby:

Tell it to the judge, Dan.

LOL!!! Tell it to a judge like Judge Judy Sheindlin, author of Don't Pee on My Leg and Tell Me It's Raining.

360 Dagenham  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:32:33pm

#347 Zulubaby

You beat me to it. Rather's only apologising because he got caught. He is symptomatic of leftist journalism - assume Bush is evil/idiotic and any evidence/BS story that comes along has to be correct. If it's faked, well, it's not too far from the truth, eh? Or not too far from what Dan Rather would like to believe... You can understand this kind of attitude from someone who only gets their news from Al-Guardian (i.e. most of the idiots I meet on a daily basis in the UK) but for a "reputable journalist" it's criminal...

& I'm sure lazytart's dead serious... Check the frontpage :)

361 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:33:12pm

lazytart, the world is going to have to realize that there is no reasoning with terrorists, there is no way to deal with them but to crush them. There is this theme with the dems that we are angering the terrorists and that if we just left them alone, they'd leave us alone. A lot of people have forgotten 9/11.

I was confused about this issue because I found this article through Best of the Web: Berg's father speaks for Kerry

"I received a phone call from John Kerry. It wasn't political, but personal. We received no phone calls from the White House. John Kerry will end this war and all of these atrocities."

--

"I challenge anyone deep in your hearts to realize that Kerry isn't like Bush," said Berg. "Bush is like Saddam Hussein. Bush condones rape and murder, and does it with a wink of an eye. Bush says he does it in the name of economic policy.

"John Kerry decried rape, murder and genocide while he was in Vietnam. If you think John Kerry will end this war too soon, I say 'too soon for what?' It'll save our sons and daughters.

"I can't afford a third party vote. This time, there is only one issue, justice in foreign policy. Vote for John Kerry - I'm going to."

Besides the fact that the man is clearly deranged, I thought to myself, what is he talking about, Kerry isn't going to end the war. The thing is, Kerry is so unpredictable that I'm not sure even he knows what is going to come out of his mouth next. He stands for nothing.

362 lazytart  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:35:56pm

John F. Kerry doesn't even know what he would do.

And this absolute wanker wants to be PRESIDENT?

He couldn't run a country club.

363 JamesW  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:37:27pm

Goldsmith- we don't appricate topping from the bottom on this site. (And I'm straight, so you're outta luck here!)

364 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:38:07pm

Rick,

My point is that I don't think that we're privy to know if in fact Powell is at odds with with the over-all policy of the Bush admin or if other factors are at play. For better or for worse I doubt if Powell is in danger of being removed.

365 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:42:46pm

RickZ, LOL, Judge Judy would tell him his fortune for free.

lazytart, isn't it unbelievable that this is the best the dems can come up with? I can't stop thinking about that. In this country, with all the brilliant and dynamic people out there, this is their representative?

Dagenham, Rather is still insisting that the essence of the memos is true, even if the memos themselves are fraudulent documents. He's decided that what was stated in those forgeries is the truth, and this is supposed to be acceptable? If Rather can't tell the story honestly, even if it contrary to his own beliefs, then he has no business being a journalist. The same goes for any journalist but Dan Rather has been a trusted and respected anchor for decades. How dare he do this? It's an insult to all of us.

366 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:43:56pm

azul93gt, when I look at Powell I see the next secretary general of the UN.

367 templar  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:46:44pm

Greatings to all my fellow LGFers,

For Kos's information, I'm a molecular biologist at a Big Ten University. While I am in fact white (Scotch-Irish descent from a family thats been here since before the Revolutionary War) I am not and never have been a member of the Klan (I had never heard of Stormfront until Kos brought them up...way to share the love there Kos). I do not believe the violent deaths of homosexuals, women, or minorities (half the people in my lab are from out of the country). On my wall I have a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (1944), an M1 Garand (1943), a Moissan-Nagant Model 1890, a 1933 Turkish Mauser, and a K31 Swiss bolt action (1950). I have never used them to shoot at animals or people. But then again, I don't watch Sex in the City, or Friends for that matter. There is something about unappealing about shows concerning thirty year olds acting like junior high students.

368 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:50:43pm

This guy is sick.

"I challenge anyone deep in your hearts to realize that Kerry isn't like Bush," said Berg. "Bush is like Saddam Hussein. Bush condones rape and murder, and does it with a wink of an eye. Bush says he does it in the name of economic policy.

Firstly "economic policy?"

Secondly If I follow Mr Berg's logic, since his son was purportedly in favor of Bush's policies and was supposedly in Iraq in furtherance of Bush's policies, and Bush's policies according to Mr. Berg are murderous then I'm left to conclude that Mr. Berg's son's 'execution' must have been justified according to Mr. Berg.

369 Portia  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:56:02pm

Mr. Berg is a member of ANSWER which was a communist front in the old cold war days and now is... a communist front, plus whatever it is that communists have going with the islamofacists (never seen an ideology so enamored of dictators -- any dictators. Or perhaps they view it as an ally in the fight to bring down western democracy. Who knows?)

This is spoken by a man who saw the USSR tumble down, withstood the revelations of what really went on behind the iron curtain and still remained one of the party faithful.

So, you must evaluate anything he says in that light.

370 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:57:16pm

I see 6 comments on one nutter's post, nothing else.

Y'know, LGF and dKos say exactly the same things about each other--this post here on LGF, as well as the other froth-at-the-mouth posts on dKos, don't mean shit. The ad hominems fly as furiously here as they do over there, or vice versa, wherever you want the emphasis to be. dKos is mildly insane at the moment, but there're those who try to inject sanity. I can't really make judgement here, cos I'm a visiting guest, but I'll go out on a limb and say that trolls are stomped and the rest of you...are just plain pissed.

Answering some other random comment:

Kerry was, to paraphrase, all for getting the President to take a big stick to the UN so as to the support of, hopefully, the rest of the world or at least the US allies. By this I do mean after the French and Russians started in with the naysaying. If he disagreed with Bush after that, well, ain't nothing wrong with changing your mind, is there?

@#334
Kos is short for Markos, the site owner's name. Kill On Sight is cute, but sadly inaccurate in this case.

371 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 5:59:25pm

#366 zulubaby

when I look at Powell I see the next secretary general of the UN.

You may be correct, but I don't see it. Maybe Bill Clinton or Ramsey Clark or Jimmah Catah at any rate someone with more Anti-America credentials than a C. Powell.

372 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:01:48pm

# 370 evilstorm:

If he disagreed with Bush after that, well, ain't nothing wrong with changing your mind, is there?

No there isn't, sure there is, no there isn't, sure there is, no there isn't, sure there is . . .

373 Banagor  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:04:11pm

#370

Yeah, maybe they sound the same...

But we're right, and KOS is wrong.

Makes all the difference in the world to me.

374 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:04:27pm

#34 Rugby

LOL... My kingdom for a comma.

;-)

375 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:05:13pm

er... #341...

:-P

376 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:06:49pm

#372

Brilliantly witty, RickZ. Answer the question straight next time. If you start doing something, then figure you're wrong (which is what he thinks, I refuse to comment on whether it really is the right course of action or not) you stop.

#373

"We're right, and KOS is wrong."

Prove it. And, FYI, I'll ask the same of any idiot who dares to make such a sweeping statement on dKos.

377 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:07:43pm

evilstorm (#370)

and the rest of you...are just plain pissed.

At being called a Nazi? It's a completely despicable thing to call someone but it's all the likes of binky have got. I'm a Jew, I don't appreciate being called a Nazi, but it's more a reflection on binky than me because that angry screed belongs to him. My mind doesn't work like binky's. Pissed at kos? I think he's a joke, he doesn't anger me at all.

378 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:09:24pm

#336 zulubaby

Dannyboys "apology" was so transparently selfserving and insincere the copper pots in my kitchen tarnished at his words.

On day two..or even three... I might grudgingly accept the apology (kinda like the painters union immediately condemning the attack on Parlock and promising an investigation). But day eleven? And when he spends it making someone else take the fall when he personally vouched for the "unimpeachable" source?

I won't be satisfied until he is before a Congressional Investigation or in jail.

379 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:14:37pm

# 376 evilstorm:

You didn't get the point? He disagreed with Gulf War I (which just about the whole bloody world agreed on, you remember, the invasion of Kuwait thingy), then he knew Saddam had WMD and was dangereous and was for the Iraq War, but then he voted against it, but then he thought Saddam was bad, but now he wouldn't want Saddam rmeoved. I truly don't know where Kerry stands on anything, and without his confused handlers, Kerry doesn't either.

380 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:16:30pm

Darleen (#378)

On day two..or even three... I might grudgingly accept the apology

Good point, I think I would have been far more forgiving if he'd addressed it immediately instead of being so arrogant and defiant.

I won't be satisfied until he is before a Congressional Investigation or in jail.

Me neither but I'm not too hopeful about it. Whatever happened to Jayson Blair? I know he was fired from NYT but did he suffer any real repercussions?

381 azul93gt  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:17:56pm

#376 evilstorm

Isn't Kos the guy that went to the mat with every sort of contrived argument over those weak-ass forged docs that anyone with half a brain could see were blatant forgeries?

382 toonman  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:19:17pm

#380 zulubaby

Jayson Blaire didn't try to influence a presidential election.

383 Fred the Barbarian  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:19:37pm

Wow! I just went and looked at the Kos site.

He sensors any discenting oppinions, thus preventing any kind of debate, and then he accuses us of being intolerant?!?!?! I'd laugh if people like him wern't so dangerous. His allows his emotional philosophy to blind his capacity for reason.

He has declared himself as the absolute monarch of truth. That my friend is what drives true evil. For since he is right and good, all others must be wrong and bad. He thus feels justified in seeking our destruction.The curtailing of free speach is the first step one the road to genocide. Rational thought, repect for the lives of others and the free exchange of ideas is the only path to a civilized society.

I would chalenge him to an open debate, here on the net where all can see it, but alas he has no contact information on his site.

The vitriolic nature of his attack leaves me wordless.

384 Geepers  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:21:06pm

Dan on What'd you say? An apology? Not even discussed.

385 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:22:12pm

evilstorm

Markos is a moral fool...at best.

I registered, I made ONE comment criticizing the moral equivalency there about Israel being just as "terroristic" as the Palestinians.

I was called "sick" "evil" "twisted" That my website "proved" I was "sick"..et al. And I was banned.
They don't want argument or debate. There is no equivalency between dKos and here. The only time a troll is banned is when they refuse to debate, but just spam hatred (or Mobys that are rightfully banned).

Markos is jealous. He spewed some anti-American hate and got caught at it and has had a hardon ever since for anyone that is beyond the Leftist plantation. He runs just like most, that nothing is his fault, just part of some Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.

It's all about HIM.

I'm ashamed at the legacy the 60's left. Too many of my generation have wrought this rot and are still pining for a full popular rebirth of the nihilism of the era.

386 Faigalah MD.  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:22:21pm

I never seen anthing anti gay here...quite the contrary..He should read the New Jersey governors coming out affair on here...and then judge...

Idiot...

387 Fred the Barbarian  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:23:37pm

Well maybee not completely wordless ;-)

At least here we don't practice censorship.

388 grizz  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:24:07pm

#156 goldsmith

Anyway, since I am gay, I suppose it's only a matter of time before you other LGFers savagely beat me. Well, I'm ready for it! Come beat me!

Nah, you sound much too eager.

389 security mofo  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:24:20pm

as a very long time lurker, I can vouch that Charles is talented, witty, sharp, and he keeps you coming back for more...

just a couple of reads on KOS can tell you that he is a really big bore and his writing is just plain lame...his ad hominem screeds against LGF have 'green with envy' written all over them...

390 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:24:35pm

#379

No, I didn't, maybe I'm a little slow. Maybe I should just read the comments upthread, but hell I'm lazy. Thanks for repeating previous sentiments.

Don't ask me about Gulf War I, but the point is no one was certain that Saddam had WMDs, which is why the inspectors were sent in, and I agree that they probably wouldn't have turned up anything conclusive, but yanking them wasn't exactly the right way to go about it. Also, if Saddam had/has WMDs, where the hell are they? No one's found any so far. Like I said, I believe Kerry wasn't for the war in and of itself, but for gathering the rest of the world to get Saddam to come clean and stuff, and his point is that Saddam is an asshole, but the US didn't have to gungho storm the whole freaking place. And y'know, I can't help but agree.

391 someguy  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:25:18pm

Good Lord!

Charles: I have never visited Daily Kos before, but this time I had to have a look.

It's terrifying to think that these people are out walking around on the streets (i.e., not institutionalized).

And how they can even operate a computer is beyond me, unless they get help from the nice man who shows them where to make the "X" when they need to sign something.

*shudder*

392 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:27:05pm

# 380 zulubaby:

Whatever happened to Jayson Blair? I know he was fired from NYT but did he suffer any real repercussions?

Yeah. He's writing a book and lost his table at Chili's.

What annoys me about Blair is people forget the lies and spin he was putting in his 'reports' covering the search for the DC sniper(s). He hindered an active investigation through distortions. But he was a higher-up's responsibility (they forgot to check his bloody expense reports!). On the other hand, Dan Rather IS CBS News, and makes kingly decisions accordingly. Off with his head!!!

393 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:30:28pm

kos is a real class act.

Note that I linked to the LGF entry about his "screw them" comment because it's miraculously disappeared from his site. He's a really nasty person.

394 Banagor  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:32:27pm

#376

I don't have to prove it. It's not a court of law. It's my opinion, and the opinion of most others on this site. I'm sick and tired of having to "prove things". I don't care if there "were no WMD", or if "war is a bad thing", or if some believe "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" (which KOS certainly does). I'm sick and tired of nuance and debate about essential things like the survival of our very country. I couldn't care less if people want to debate whether or not we should start really getting tough on terrorism, or if we even should call it terrorism. I'm sick and tired of Leftists labeling patriots as "Nazis". I don't think it's up for debate and I don't really care what KOS, or any other regular commentator on his site thinks on those issues. They support Michael Moore who describes beheaders of innocent civilians as "Minutemen" and hail them as heroes. They're not heroes. They're sick assholes who deserve to get shot up in a violent and extremely prejudiced way. It isn't a point of debate for me.

That makes me extreme, I know. That's just too bad. I happen to want to win this war. I want to do to the "insurgents" what we did to Dresden. I don't care if some people think it's "wrong". People who think that it's "wrong" to kick your enemy's ass are "wrong". People on KOS think that it's "wrong" to kick your enemy's ass, so they are "wrong".

KOS is a "progressive" which means he likes to turn back the clock and live in a cave. That makes him "stupid" and "wrong". KOS supports the "Palestinian Arab Cause" which means that he wants another six million Jews to face the very real prospect of getting wiped out in the first attack wave from the borders of a new Palestinian state. KOS supports the killing of contractors in Iraq because he thinks they're "mercenaries", which makes him "wrong".

KOS, and all his followers, are idiots who actually trust the United Nations to do "what's right".

That alone makes them "wrong".

That's judgemental of me, I know. I actually judge things. That's so...un-liberal of me. Cry for me. Feel my pain.

395 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:32:46pm

toonman, RickZ, I was asking about Jayson Blair because I wanted to know if there was ever a situation where the media went after one of their own. The Rather forgery will only stay news if the media decides that it should.

396 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:33:03pm

#380 zulubaby

What toonman said.

The NYTimes is print. They fall squarely under the First Amendment and outside of libel laws, they can pretty much say what they want.

CBS on the other hand, is granted a license by the FCC, and is regulated because they broadcast over the "public airwaves." They are legally bound to FCC statutes.

Add to that mix, now, the McCain/Feingold byzantine crappola. We are within the 60 day window before an election in which "attack" ads are banned, but a "news" organization can still report "news." Yeah..forged documents are "news" alright.

Third can of worms: Bill at INDC Journal discusses the relevant TEXAS statutes that might apply:

Section 37.10 of the Penal Code
TAMPERING WITH GOVERNMENTAL RECORD

(a) A person commits an offense if he:
~ ~ (1) knowingly makes a false entry in, or false alteration of, a governmental record;
~ ~ (2) makes, presents, or uses any record, document, or thing with knowledge of its falsity and with intent that it be taken as a genuine governmental record;
... [etc.]

Sec. 32.21. of the Penal Code
FORGERY. (a) For purposes of this section:
~ ~ (1) "Forge" means:
~ ~ ~ (A) to alter, make, complete, execute, or authenticate any writing so that it purports:
...
~ (b) A person commits an offense if he forges a writing with intent to defraud or harm another. [etc.]

And I'm also on the lookout for the Killian family to file a lawsuit against CBS.

The fat lady hasn't even warmed up yet.

397 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:35:35pm

Darleen, thanks, that really helps a lot.

398 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:37:39pm

#381

Did he? You all have proof that they were forgeries, and I have to dig it up but they have counterproofs to your stuff, or at least ways of confirming things, but nothing's come out of it yet (cept the CBS apology, but they're just pawns in the Blog War).

#385

From what you say, you were right to make that comment and someone ought to've backed you up. P'raps I ought to offer an apology for whatever nuts those were (haha lookit me, god I'm full of it), but I do assure you that...there are better people than that over there.

No equivalency? I beg to differ--as I said, they have exactly the same opinions of you as you do of them. Why's that, do you know? I swear I'm not being sarcastic, it's just that I've been in enough flamewars to know that the catalyst was usually some fucking stupid event in the first place (double apologies to anyone offended by that, in case anyone here doesn't like cussing). I don't know, lots of folks over there say they've been banned off here too. But the way I see it, LGF certainly hasn't lived up to its rep of being murderous hate-mongering soandsos, because I'm still here commenting, aren't I? But if my word counts for anything at all: dKos isn't any worse--or better, either--than here. They have debate, people do agree to disagree. There're madshits there, but what was the Kathryn Cramer death/rape threats story here? (Secondhand info, yes, but that's exactly my point.)

The rest of your post is dangerously personal; I'm not telling you how to write'em, but I thought that I should say why I'm not responding to all of it.

399 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:38:48pm

# 390 evilstorm:

Don't ask me about Gulf War

Why not?

but the point is no one was certain that Saddam had WMDs

BS. He had 'em, used 'em, and we found some of 'em. Not all of 'em, because some of 'em are in Syria, or have been used by Syria in the Sudan. But some are still there, and we'll find 'em.

the inspectors were sent in, and I agree that they probably wouldn't have turned up anything conclusive, but yanking them wasn't exactly the right way to go about it.

Huh? Saddam kicked out the inspectors for what three years? Then, when the inspectors went back in there were so many conditions on where they could go and on what notificiation timetable and what they could NOT inspect (all those Oil-For-Food palaces), that there was no way in hell they were going to get anything accomplished.

No one's found any so far.

Very wrong.

Like I said, I believe Kerry wasn't for the war in and of itself, but for gathering the rest of the world to get Saddam to come clean and stuff, and his point is that Saddam is an asshole, but the US didn't have to gungho storm the whole freaking place. And y'know, I can't help but agree.

I can tell. Saddam, at that moment in time, was an aggressive threat, gathering force, and in violation of the Cease fire Agreement. While Iran and NK have become worse and taken over the next spot in line as far as the US is concerned, Saddam was THE threat when he threw out the weapons inspectors that he had agreed to in the Gulf War I Cease Fire Agreeement (sorry, but you cannot ignore Gulf War I).

400 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:42:37pm
as I said, they have exactly the same opinions of you as you do of them.

Bullshit. Where have I ever called kos or binky or any of the posters there, Nazis? You're getting desperate.

401 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:48:51pm

#394

You can drop all the quote marks, thanks, I get when someone's being ironic.

Look, we're all sick and tired of this huge fucking mess that the political state is in, but that's why we fucking adhere to the customs and civilities to prevent all the damn chaos from happening (happening more than it already is, at least).

I am not, will not, and cannot judge you for being, eh, "judgemental". Let me make that clear. But.

War is a bad thing. If there're no WMDs, why the hell have the bloody war in the first place? Iraqis aside, those are American troops dying out there. War isn't the first option, it's the last damn resort.

I do disagree with it not being a point of debate for you. What, then, you'd stuff the war and everything else down our throats? I don't think so, bucko.

I don't damn trust the UN either, but there are OTHER WAYS to do things besides opening war.

402 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:50:41pm

#398 evilstorm

Um... we don't need "proof" that the memos are forgeries.

Little analogy. Someone send me a picture of what the person says is the real Mona Lisa painting to "prove" they have the picture. Now, obviously I cannot "authenticate" the pic, but I can state categorically it is fake if it looks this.

There are serious questions about the memo. That means those people who present them as authentic have the responsibility to prove it. Not vice versa.

In a court of law, the burden of proof rests with the People, the ones making the accusation. Dan Rather/CBS made an accusation against President Bush and waved fraudulent documents as "proof" of their allegations. It is up to them to authenticate the evidence. That they have now backed off demonstrates their culpibility in perpetuating a fraud on the American people and, minimally, libel against a sitting President in a time of war and during an election cycle.

That's criminal.

403 evilstorm  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:51:29pm

#400

I meant that they all think that you all live in echo chambers etc too. You think of them what they think of you, Nazis or tree-hugging pinko commies, it boils down to the same, as you say, bullshit.

#399

Cos I don't know enough about GWI, so I'll concede to you on that poitn...look, can I get back to you later? Lunch just ended and I'm screwed. Apologies, really.

404 Darleen  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:54:37pm

#401 evil

I don't damn trust the UN either, but there are OTHER WAYS to do things besides opening war.


Ok, prove it. Give me a plausible (do look up the word if the concept escapes you) alternative to war that also removes Saddam as head of Iraq.

And DO keep in mind that regime change in Iraq has been the goal of America since Billy Jeff signed the "Iraq Liberation Act" in 1998.

405 RickZ  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:54:54pm

# 401 evilstorm:

War is a bad thing.

Yet, when war has been declared on us by those fun loving jihadis, it's a good thing?

And, please, let's not forget Saddam's airplane fuselage that was used for terror hijacking training. Saddam was involved in terror support up to his shitty little eyeballs.

406 Steve  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 6:58:38pm

(LGF is for mentally-ill sadists who live in the basement of Mom's house in the suburbs and own porn videos that feature the (simulated, hopefully) mutilation of women. It's for teenaged guys who read Soldier of Fortune and fantasize about spending their summers "slithering around on their bellies in Survivalist camps in Idaho." It's for people who wished the Klan was still around and influential, for people who used to like David Duke but hate him now that he's sympathetic to Palestine, for people who thought the Columbine massacre was "a good thing that they wish they had been in on.")


After stating what he thinks we do, isn't it odd that the uneducated writer knows all about these videos and magazines and groups in Idaho etc, etc. I wonder how long he has been a closet ...

Please fill in the blank.

407 Troy Rochford  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 7:39:59pm

It never ceases to amaze me how the extreme left characterizes anyone who does not share their views as Radical, Fascist, Racist, Right Wing evil Republicans.

"Republicans: Spreading Racism and Oppression since 1856!"

(You know, that whole Emancipation Proclamation, free-the-slaves thing was just a smokescreen! lol)

Damn, I guess Kos has exposed MY evil secret.

408 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 7:52:40pm

That moron is just jealous because LGF is close to reaching a million comments, nobody believed his bullshit stories about the forged docs, and nobody wants to interview him.

A million comments. Suck on that, Kos.

409 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 7:57:05pm

It makes me feel good to know that all of us "aryan nutbags" are getting to them.

410 Pierre Duhem  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 7:59:58pm

Evilstorm,

You do realize that you just had a discussion here that you couldn't have had on Kos, don't you?

Case closed

P.S. The REAL irony is that Kos and his moonbats are on the same page as Pat Buchanan and the pathetic boyos at Stormfront on a whole host of issues, while the posters here by far support classical liberal values. (racial and sexual equality, individual freedom, etc.) That's why we call what KOS does "projection" in the classical psychological sense.

411 zulubaby  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 8:02:44pm

evilstorm (#403)

You think of them what they think of you, Nazis or tree-hugging pinko commies

You know nothing about me and it's very presumptuous of you to tell me what I think. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think like that, I don't speak like that and while I see that you're desperately trying to draw parallels here, it's simply not true. Live with it.

412 manofaiki  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 8:20:28pm
The LGF guys are the kind of guys who would think an AK-47 is the only answer to girls like "Carrie" from "Sex and the City."

I think everybody is missing the point of what Kos is saying here.

Read his words IN CONTEXT. What are the women like Carrie in Sex and the City?

They are modern, liberated, sexually active women.

They speak their minds and are not subservient to men.

Now, picture Kos's mindset about the kind of woman a knuckle-dragging neanderthal right-wing gun nut would think is perfect.

'Carrie' does not fit it.

What Kos is saying, is that when you right wing, sadistic, homophobic, anti-feminist guys met a girl like Carrie, you will think an AK-47 is the only answer to dealing with her.

In other words, he's saying you'd shoot her.

Why can't you see that?

manofaiki

413 Fondu  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 8:35:54pm

#370 evilstorm 9/20/2004 07:57PM PST

@#334
Kos is short for Markos, the site owner's name. Kill On Sight is cute, but sadly inaccurate in this case.

Thanks. I honestly did not know. A few people in my office do the online games and those games are the only place I heard KOS used. It did not click about the name but now is a lot more obvious after being pointed out.

414 Stinky  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 9:42:13pm

This Kos fellow needs to view non-Leftists that way. It rationalizes his own extreme opinions and his own unwillingness to debate the issues. He can just issue a blanket issue, wipe his hands clean, "And that's the end of THAT", and go about promoting his ludicrious, ill thought out, corrupt socialist/moral equivalent/pro PLO agenda. He doesn't have to prove centralized planning, he doesn't have to prove the validity of the PLO, he doesn't have to explain the inconsistency in "universal" moral relativism, he can just ad hominem till his heart's content.

What a worthless, blind, clueless human being. If this is the Left, Thank God. It's the reverse for us, we're the ones able to dismiss him w/ a flick of the wrist because he doesn't propose anything, any solution to the War on Terror, any solution to education, any solution to illegal immigration. All he is, is hatred and stupidity. Although it may get a rise out of us, make our blood boil, we should just start to wear their insults like badges of honor. If he is this stupid when it comes to knowledge of world history and economics, then is it not a complement to be hated by such a buffoon?

If the Left is like this for the next 30 years, then they will take themselves off the political spectrum, and do the country a favor. A sweet, consiliatory Leftist who can sugar up the populace is more dangerous than a ludicrous mud slinger who just looks fucking stupid w/ his irrational, easily refutable accusations. WE'RE the ones who want to AK-47 a liberated woman? WTF is he doing then sticking up for the Radical Islamofascist movement in Palestine and Iraq, whose members REALLY DO want to AK-47 a Carrie from Sex in the City? He really is that freaking stupid.

LGF is one of the most non-right wing "Right wing" sites I've been to--which is good, because you get more original opinions than at a FreeRepublic or similair tow-the-GOP-party-line site. I'd wager at least half, if not moreso, of the regulars on this site (including the owner) are former Democrats, who probably still agree with decent chunks of the Democratic Party platform (although hopefully they're learning ;-). That, more than anything, is probably what pisses off KingOfShit, because he knows that if former Democrats can sell the Bush Doctrine, the Left is crushed.

King...Of...Shit.

415 goldsmith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 10:02:16pm

Time for me to get all Usenet on someone's ass...

#412

Oh, shut up you turd. Did you read this fucking thread? Did you?

I live in New York, and I meet women like "Carrie" everyday and I want to reach for my AK-47 because I view them as materialistic, nasty bitches. I've tried to overcome this feeling, which is leftover from my lefty days, but it's difficult. I suspect your pals over at Markos sin pinga's site would probably feel the same about women like "Carrie" if those women didn't follow your party line.

Keep up the " modern, liberated, sexually active women" talk, though. It may get you some tail someday.

Anyway, if you were a lucky boy I'd tell you to get on your traitorous knees and suck me. But you're not worthy, and I don't want the clap.

So fuck off.

416 goldsmith  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 10:03:55pm

Man, that felt good!

417 exredtory  Mon, Sep 20, 2004 11:15:11pm

Daily KOS: what a dickweed

For one thing, I happen to be a big fan of both LGF and Sex and the City, so that doesn't fit his narrow little wordview.

As for the rest of his "profiling" - sorry, doesn't fit either

As for slithering around on bellies - isn't that exactly what Jean-Francois Kerry said was one of the enjoyable aspects of deer hunting?

As for hatemongering - the lefties are masters of it - meanwhile, when you know someone hates you, it's a very difficult thing not to hate back - a difficulty which, by the way, is at the heart of Christianity.

418 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:59:29am

Not that I'm qualified to comment on this, but I think those hot IDF women soldiers are tougher, smarter, more independent, and orders of magnitude hotter than that horse-faced materialistic shallow self-absorbed slut played by Sarah Jessica Parker.

419 Eric the Kiwi  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 1:49:24am

Charles

I am envious and green with jealousy.

Oh that I could produce a blog like LGF and excite such a hissy fit from the left.

In dealing with lefties, I have found that the better your arguments, the greater their hissy-fit.

Kos has bestowed upon you a great honour.

Think of it as the leftie version of an Oscar for conservative blogs.

420 Gruen  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 2:00:36am

#418

That's a bit strong isn't it Furious J?

Tell us the truth, you don't think women should be able to buy what they want with their own hard earned money and have sex with whoever they want whenever they want?

I'm all for women wanting more sex, especially when it involves me! :-)

421 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 2:52:39am

gee, last time I looked I own my own house and worked a full-time job as a CS professional.

422 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 3:05:09am

Democrat = Demokkkult

423 manofaiki  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 3:49:54am

Folks, I emailed Kos after reading the Daily Kos link about how LGF people are sadists and wannabe soldier of fortunes and all the rest of it, and got the following reply:

(Note: this is the response e-mail; his reply is first and the email I sent him follows it. He is saying the blog post linked at the beginning of this thread was not written by him.)

Umm, i haven't written anything about LGF. I couldn't give a damn about
that site.

> Hi Kos.
>
> Your latest blog regarding Littlegreenfootballs has driven home a
> truth to me that I have been pondering for some time; I think Charles
> Krauthammer wrote it first;
>
> Conservatives think Liberals are nice, but they're just misguided.
>
> Liberals think Conservatives are evil.
>
> By the way, I've been browsing LGF for about 4 weeks, and I haven't
> seen any racism there. Oh, I've seen people say nasty things about
> TERRORISTS, like tonight when some of them beheaded another
American.
> You know, one of us? Some people over on LGF got a little hot under
> the collar about that.
>
> By the way, did you send Charles Johnson a congratulatory e-mail yet
> about being right about those forgeries?
>
> With warmest regards
>
> Brian Cates

424 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 4:03:24am

#421 kstagger. Makes me think we ought to do one of those stereotype-busting "I am the NRA" type thing that was done many years back: "Single foster parent, homeowner, mountain-biker, registered Independent, hockey fan, MSTie... I am Furious J, and I am the LGF!"

425 ballantrae  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:52:09am

While reading his site, one or two of the readers commented that the officer core is a lot more conservative than the normal soldiers. Further, that the average guy was very much against this war.

Well, I wouldn't know either way, since I'm not there.

But is that the truth? I'm asking because I'd like to know what our actual situation is in this race.

-ron

426 rboit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:57:50am

I notice the Daily Kos has quit posting extensive updates on the forged memo story. At first they were immediately counterattacking everything posted here and at the other blog that proved the forgery. Maybe they've lost interest in the story? Hmmm...

427 jimmernick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:27:44am

I just went to the KOS website to see what everyone is talking about. This guy is really sick. I don't think he has actually read any of the posts on LGF. He just seems to know that your site is worth spending half a page to spew his unfounded venom.

Perhaps he is trying to get CBS to notice him for an anchor spot?

428 sonofdad  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:37am

This is a totally misleading link title. Michael Moore is not in Iraq pushing the play button for GI's, this is our men and women watching a movie of their own choosing. GI's are exercising their right to select which movies they watch, in between being shot at-Charles has a problem with this since he does not agree with that choice.

I think I know what has happened. The GI's judgment has become clouded-maybe all the mortar attacks, extended deployments, roadside bombs, dead friends and civilians have rendered their judgment invalid. I'm sure they have no idea what they are doing-and really shouldn't be thinking for themselves...(sarcasm).

Perhaps if they were in Charles' office, their judgment would be clearer. They could see, staring at a computer screen, what they so obviously don't get by "only" being in Iraq. Read the linked story-real people expressing opinions about something Charles has zero experience with.

Charles sitting at a computer, telling people what soldiers should be watching...now that's entertaining.

429 Earl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:18:25am

#349 FB

Never add cubes to a noble single malt. NEVER. EVER.

A dash of de-chlorinated tap water or, better yet, flat spring water, is all you need to open up a good Scotch.

Slainte!

430 The Other Elizabeth  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:19:12am

Living in mom's basement? I don't think so, as she died in 1987.

I'm a 51-year-old grandmother of (almost) 5. I own my own house, have been at the same job for almost 20 years, and my first husband wasn't American by birth and my second is half Puerto-Rican.

So stuff it, Kos.

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

431 jimmernick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:32:14am

#390
evilstorm;

"Also, if Saddam had/has WMDs, where the hell are they? No one's found any so far."

My son-in-law was a tank commander with the 1st Marines/1st Tanks during the Operation Iraqi Freedom. He told me a story about an Iraqi Colonel who surrendered his entire command without a shot. He was sick of Saddam, and the final straw came when a Republican Guard commander came to hime and ordered some of his troops to take several trucks filled with 55 gallon barrels out into the desert and bury them. These men were summarily executed, so they could not tell anyone where the trucks were buried. I have absolutely no documentation for this (perhaps I could ask CBS for some?), so this is strictly anecdotal. The point is, having given Saddam over three months notice to remove his WMD (prior to Mr. Blix and his incompetent inspections), any and/or all of the WMD kept in storage (including nuclear devices) could have been shipped to Syria or buried in the desert.

The simple fact that we haven't found any WMD in light of the ease in which they could have been removed or destroyed doesn't surprise me. It's the equivilent of calling someone a cheat at cards, then leaving the table to go to the bathroom. Where will the evidence be when you get back?

432 Patrick Chester  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:58am

What Kos is saying, is that when you right wing, sadistic, homophobic, anti-feminist guys met a girl like Carrie, you will think an AK-47 is the only answer to dealing with her.

In other words, he's saying you'd shoot her.

Oh, in other words, he's just projecting his own sick tendencies upon those he hates.

433 MichelefromLA  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:04:43am

I just went to that site and I am fuming about how they wrote that people at LGF are racist, homophobic...etc. As my handle states, I live in L.A. I have to hear these stereotypes all too often.

They say - Consersatives are racist. But which party is it that keeps treating non-whites like they can't handle doing things without a lot of help?

They say - They never judge. Maybe not about what tools they stick in their orifices. But, if you choose to stay home with your kid..your a gold-digging simpleton. (They just judge on different issues.)

They say - Democrats/Liberals are the compassionate party. Yeah, compassion for terrorists, genocidal dictators, pedophiles...I could go on, on and on.

They say - They believe in free speech. Oh, is that why when I voiced my opinion at a party in L.A., I had a Liberal stick her head between her knees and moan, "I need to leave now. I can't hear anymore."

They say - Conservatives are brainwashed by Fox news. It's the only news that has a modicum of optimism and doesn't ridicule every move President Bush makes. Do they hate Fox for being the only televsion news channel than doesn't parrot the others?

And if the Liberals are all such individual thinkers why is it that they get nearly orgasmic over Michael Moore's sunny depiction of Saddam's Iraq? Why do they all screech about oil, Halliburton...their mantras are all the same. Have they taken the time to turn off KPFK or NPR to talk to an Iraqi, an ex-Cuban citizen who risked their lives to leave or a person from South Vietnam? Have they challenged their professors?

Give me a break!!!

434 NeilV  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:11:44pm

I think Kos is a tool first class no doubt,He really is an unlikeable fooker.
However back to Jack the Basset, thats a hell of a hound!
I own a 60 lb Bassett named Hannibal The cannibal, and he is after Kos ass.
When he sniffs him out my other two (Malamute and Aussie Shep) will eat him alive...
Now I will go down to the basement to fondle my SOf mags...
Oh no ,I dozed off I live in Florida,we dont have a basement.
However I am married so I probly get lucky more the Kos.
And I have worn out couple passports ,
so I have been lucky elsewhere. He is just pissed he is not in the mile high Club.
He must not get it very often, his posts are really cranky.
With regard to storm front never heard of it and I sure wont visit any Nazi crap.
Ive seen the real thing in Germany, so I dont need to visit some assclowns website site which glorifys the vile pricks.
I think kos sits at home playing pocket pool, while listening,to Lil Marlene and trolling Storm Front.
He is a sad case.
As far as guns the wanker will need to visit after hours to find out.
Im sure the dogs will let me know in time to prepare a fun reception.
Cheers from Sunny Florida

436 NeilV  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:17:15pm

I think Kos is a tool first class no doubt,He really is an unlikeable fooker.
However back to Jack the Basset, thats a hell of a hound!
I own a 60 lb Bassett named Hannibal The cannibal, and he is after Kos ass.
When he sniffs him out my other two (Malamute and Aussie Shep) will eat him alive...
Now I will go down to the basement to fondle my SOf mags...
Oh no ,I dozed off I live in Florida,we dont have a basement.
However I am married so I probly get lucky more the Kos.
And I have worn out couple passports ,
so I have been lucky elsewhere. He is just pissed he is not in the mile high Club.
He must not get it very often, his posts are really cranky.
With regard to storm front never heard of it and I sure wont visit any Nazi crap.
Ive seen the real thing in Germany, so I dont need to visit some assclowns website site which glorifys the vile pricks.
I think kos sits at home playing pocket pool, while listening,to Lil Marlene and trolling Storm Front.
He is a sad case.
As far as guns the wanker will need to visit after hours to find out.
Im sure the dogs will let me know in time to prepare a fun reception.
Cheers from Sunny Florida

437 azul93gt  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:29:31pm

#398 Evil Doer

Did he? You all have proof that they were forgeries, and I have to dig it up but they have counterproofs to your stuff, or at least ways of confirming things, but nothing's come out of it yet (cept the CBS apology, but they're just pawns in the Blog War).

Thanks for revealing that you're an idiot. CBS are pawns but not in the "Blog War." They're pawns to the DNC.

No matter what "counterproofs" your boy offered he was wrong, which is something most competent people recognized at first exposure to the forgeries. I'm going to go so far as to say that this Kos character knew that those memos were forgeries but thought he could help facilitate the hoax because he knew how Dem hopes were invested in this smear campaign.

438 armytramp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:49:14pm

#435

Thanks for that, Freekeys.

I just sent another package to Operation Gratitude this week.

My next package will include hundreds of copies of fliers that I will print at my own expense, taken from the websites discrediting Moore's propaganda.

That our own people would be sending our own troops Moore's filthy lies makes about as much sense as our own people financing Tokyo Rose in 1944.

439 manofaiki  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 1:44:11pm

PS.

Just a correction for accuracy.

Kos did not write the screed linked to at the Daily Kos above.

It was written by someone named 'Bink'.

Kos may concur, but he didn't write it.

manofaiki

440 tictoc  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:52:22am

# 439 manofaiki --


I'll take the blame for that, since Charles most likely picked up on my posting on September 19 in which I failed to point out that the accusations came from the Daily Kos website but not from Mr. Marcos "Kos" Zuniga himself.

Apologies to all.


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