LGF

-RetweetThe Lucy Ramirez Connection

Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 7:51:49 am PDT

Who is Lucy Ramirez?

In earlier conversations with USA TODAY, Burkett had identified the source of the documents as George Conn, a former Texas National Guard colleague who works for the U.S. Army in Europe. Burkett now says he made up the story about Conn’s involvement to divert attention from himself and the woman he now says provided him with the documents. He told USA TODAY that he also lied to CBS.

Burkett now maintains that the source of the papers was Lucy Ramirez, who he says phoned him from Houston in March to offer the documents. USA TODAY has been unable to locate Ramirez.

When Burkett gave copies of the documents to USA TODAY, it was on the understanding that his identity would not be disclosed. USA TODAY honored that agreement until Burkett waived his confidentiality Monday.

“I didn’t forge anything,” Burkett said. “I didn’t fake any documents. The only thing I’ve done here is to transfer documents from people I thought were real to people I thought were real. And that has been the limitation of my role. I may have been a patsy.”

Another section of this USA Today article shows what a loon Bill Burkett is, and how insane CBS was to tie their reputation to this guy:

Testaments to Burkett’s intense feelings about politics are all over his house. On a side table is a copy of the book Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential. In the front entry is a photograph of Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whom his wife supported against Bush in the 2000 Republican primaries.

After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko’s shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in. Ramirez was worried about leaving forensic evidence on them that might lead back to her, Burkett said, acknowledging that the story sounded fantastic. “This is going to sound like some damn sci-fi movie,” he said.

After keeping the copies for a couple of days, he said he drove to a location he would not specify, about 100 miles from his ranch, to put them “in cold storage.” Burkett said he took the action because he believed the papers were politically explosive and made him nervous. “I treated them like absolute TNT,” he said. “They looked to me like they were devastating.”

Over in the fever swamps of Daily “Screw Them” Kos, they haven’t considered the possibility that there might be more than one “Lucy Ramirez” in Texas, in their paranoid scramble to find a connection with the evil Karl Rove.

Advertisement

660 comments

  • Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:52:55am

Kerryspot on NRO has a nice collection of DNC quotes and changes of story on this

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

2 Joel  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:53:23am

I konw who Lucy Ramirez is, she's the wife of Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez. /sarcasm

3 noshariaincanada  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:53:25am

I feel sorry for that poor idiot Burkett

4 Zhang Fei  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:54:04am

Ramirez - that's a really uncommon name. Like Smith for instance.

5 Norwegian kafir  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:54:05am
6 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:54:32am

Ramirez is a pretty common name, especially near the Mexico border.

7 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:55:02am

Oh it's even better than that. KOS shows up on the regular google news site (below) and is claiming that a Texas Democrat has a "Republican" website.

Who is Lucy Ramirez?
Daily Kos (satire), United States - 5 hours ago
I googled the name and the second hit was for a Republican website where Texas Congressman Ruben Hinojosa thanks Lucy Ramirez for her ability to facillitate …
Amazing. I think the distribution of the reproductions of the original documents was an amazing example of a local/federal partnership. The docs came from the federal level (Karl Rove) down to the local level (Lucy Ramirez) and were effectively distributed to needy and desperate patsy. Sounds like a Straussian welfare state proposal. [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

NOTE: [Link: hinojosa.house.gov...]

8 steve_poling  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:56:04am

It's obvious, Lucy Ramirez is really Jenna or Barbara Bush using Karl Rove's mind-control device to disguise her identity. If only Mr. Burkett had thought to wear his tinfoil hat, he'd have seen through her disguise.

(How's that for a sci-fi scenario?)

9 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:56:17am

I feel sorry for anyone in Texas named Lucy Ramirez who will from this day forth be hounded by idiots that think just this once Burkett wasn't lying out his ass.

10 M. Murcek  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:56:30am

This is going to go on and on up to and beyond election day. How long does anyone think the dems can go with no oxygen? Not that long? Didn't think so...

11 joel2  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:56:33am

I think Kos is a self-hating pajamaphobe

12 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:57:08am

(repost) Isn't Lucy Ramierez Kay Scarpetta's niece, in Patricia Cornwall's crime novels?

;)

13 nightintheruts  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:57:12am

or "Lucy Ramirez", the daughter of Dan Rather...

14 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:57:55am

"No, wait, I got the documents from some guy in South Korea... I think his last name was 'Kim'!"

15 armytramp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:58:13am

No! It's Theresa Heinz Kerry who has cleverly thrown a monkey wrench into the proceedings to blame it all on Karl Rove. She is a clever minx!

And in her minx coat, declares that little Southern children should go naked! She's all heart.

16 Atlas Wannabe  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:59:24am

In Texas, isn't "Lucy Ramirez" equivalent to say "Jane Smith" in Ohio?

In any case, Lucy got some 'splaining to do...

17 William  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:59:27am

Seems to me "Lucy Ramirez" is nothing more than a red herring.

18 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 5:59:40am

OT - DU in meltdown.
Where can they go if Bush wins?

One particularly disgusting comment.

I will vote before I go...but I need to make plans. I don't want to be left here like the Jews who didn't get out in Nazi Germany. I have a big mouth...it's hard for me to "blend in." I've already lost friends and family members because of Bush, so I know just like with Ann Frank's experience in Holland...I and my family would be turned in because I have an "aura" of Resistence. Folks can just tell about folks like me.

Oldie DU'ers where are you planning on moving? I can't stay and fight

19 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:00:47am

I had an e-mail conversation with a Democrat friend yesterday, who floated the "this was all a Karl Rove setup" theory. When I pointed out how ridiculous this was (e.g., the evil Republicans would have to somehow have known that nobody at CBS would notice the obvious MS Word-like nature of the documents), he replied that my reaction was exactly what the Republicans wanted, and was therefore further proof that the conspiracy was working exactly as planned.

Sigh.

20 SoCalJustice  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:01:50am

(#7) Nancy

Some of the 'bats at Kos are crazy.

It could have taken one click of the mouse for that idiot to figure out that Hinojosa is a Democrat.

21 Yankee Zionist  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:03:01am

Lucy Ramirez is Rosie Ruiz's lover.

22 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:03:37am

Yo, y'all--George is at the UN giving them a bit of stick: see C-Cpan 1.

23 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:03:54am

#18 Smit: I think it would be a true blessing for the country if all these moonbats made good on their promise to leave once Bush is reelected. Hopefully they'll be more honest about their intentions than Alec Baldwin was.

Anyway... I detect a new meme being born: the "Lucy Ramirez", a mythical scapegoat who's impossible to find.
"Wow, I really screwed up this project... I'll need to find some Lucy Ramirez to blame it on, pronto!"

24 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:05:25am

Wouldn't you want Burkett to back you up?

I mean, he's so concerned to protect your identity that he immediately copies then burns the originals including the envelope they came in to eliminate even a chance of connection through forensic means, then as soon as the cameras roll he tells the whole world your name!.

Thanks buddy.

25 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:05:29am

#18,

gawd, DUers are so self-righteous...

'can't blend in', 'aura of resistance' = I'm a big failure in life and no one likes me.

26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:06:48am

Let me guess, "Lucy Ramirez" is the daughter of the man who was "Deepthroat"? If this is the best that Burkett can come up with, the fact that CBS swallowed this bull just to make an anti-Bush story just gets more damning.

Hey Kosians, if any of ya'll are checking us out over here, a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

27 rosh  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:07:06am

December 14, 2001 caption in Houston Chronicle:
"Lucy Ramirez tries to get out of the wind as she waits for her ride"

January 13, 1997 article in Texas Lawyer
"Lucy Ramirez, executive director of the Hidalgo County Bar Association"

February 18, 1993 Houston Chronicle
"Lucy Ramirez, matriarch of the Ramirez clan ... 'Robert and Eddie are the most prepared of anyone,' interjected daughter Sonya Ramirez Garza ... Jesse and Lucy Ramirez have a number of grandchildren participating in the race ... Photo: Jesse Ramirez, Lucy Ramirez, daughter Cindy Maldonado, granddaughter Leslie Maldonado, daughter Sonya Garza"

28 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:07:52am

20 SoCalJustice

Of course --"facts" are not their game --LOL

If one has the "theory" that Lucy must be a Republican because the documents were forgeries --then any website where THAT name appears must be Republican!

Quite pathetic if KOS is one of the "top Dem" supporting websites to not even KNOW who the Democrats ARE!

29 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:08:09am

It is so obvious that Burkett is the forger-er.

30 thoolou  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:08:42am

Tagline lifted from the DalyKlutz:

I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

31 Norwegian kafir  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:08:48am

Muhammad: "Dogs should be killed"

Sahih Muslim, Book 010, Number 3811:
Quote:

Abdullah (b. Umar) (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs and we would send (men) in Medina and its corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill, so much so that we killed the dog that accompanied the wet she-camel belonging to the people of the desert.

32 Snowy Owl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:08:50am

#7 Nancy

This quote appears as a comment further down in your thread:

Conn could have certainly gotten or seen the originals, plus he works with the Army now so he could've screwed up some terms while he rewrote them recently.

Rewrote them? Do they know something we don't? Not bloody likely...

33 bohemienne  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:08:59am

This guy's a total loon. If he made up the Conn story, how do we know this is for real? Maybe Ms. Ramirez is his alter-ego for when he's feeling a bit "sexy." Or document forge-y.

34 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:09:27am
It's obvious, Lucy Ramirez is really Jenna or Barbara Bush using Karl Rove's mind-control device to disguise her identity. If only Mr. Burkett had thought to wear his tinfoil hat, he'd have seen through her disguise.


Halliburton faxed me on this last week. They said this plan was approved by Bush's friends in Big Oil. And it's official. Charles is now on the secret board of directors of the VRWC. Bahahahahahahaha.

35 roach[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:10:25am
36 johnCV  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:10:42am

Do I smell something burning?...

37 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:10:57am

#34 Dave the...

Yes, but do our Zionist masters know of Halliburton's plans? And did they approve the attacks? And where's my monthly check?!

38 rosh  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:11:50am

23 Occasional

the "Lucy Ramirez", a mythical scapegoat

like a chupacabra?

39 superhawk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:13:00am

The idiots at KOS put the only two "Lucy Ramirez" phone numbers in Houston on their site...

Can you imagine those two women being inundated by loons calling to ask them if they're Rove's mistress? Or what connection they have to 9/11?

The fever swamps on the left have no sense of decency or humanity.

40 dazoid81  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:13:31am

I'm enjoying listening to GWB mention all the things the US has done, under his watch, that the UN SHOULD have been involved in...

41 dennisw-matamoros  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:13:37am

.

42 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:13:41am

I think this all boils down to 1 thing - Burkett is a certifiable loon.

and the DNC helped him along the way with CBS being the frontman

43 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:14:32am

Smit (#18),

Wow. That's not self serving or crazy in the extreme is it?

And I think the rest of us call that "aura", stench.

44 Amritas  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:14:36am
“They looked to me like they were devastating.”

Didn't they looked to him like they were ... I dunno ... fake?

Burkett isn't some 20 year old who's never touched a typewriter in his life.

45 corbusier  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:14:37am

Sounds like Burkett would qualify for the role of John Nash in "A Beautiful Mind", except for the math genius part. Maybe he has a secret room full of newspaper clipppings and diagrams marked over them...

46 dennisw-matamoros  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:14:50am

Exclusive photo Lucy Ramirez [Link: freepers.zill.net...]

47 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:15:16am

Is it wrong of me to imagine "Lucy Ramirez" as being clad in a leather bikini and chained to Charles' nitrogen-filled chamber, in a Jabba/Leia sort of way?

#38 rosh:


ike a chupacabra?

Technically, that would be a mythical scapegoat-sucker, but close enough...

48 Desso Studios  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:15:39am

OT:

GWB is ON his game!!

49 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:15:42am

OT - In a show of its military strength Iran trotted out a half-dozen of its new Shahab-3 missiles which were daubed with the slogans, "We will crush America under our feet" and "Israel must be wiped off the map".

Iran's nuclear program has now gone into high-gear enriched uranium production for...'peaceful purposes.'

uh-yup.

50 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:16:01am
51 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:16:35am

#47 Occasional Reader

LOL

52 Amritas  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:16:48am

#45 corbusier

An analogy with the movie "A Beautiful Mind" is particularly appropriate, since that adaptation was no paragon of accuracy.

Maybe he has a secret room full of newspaper clipppings and diagrams marked over them...

Sounds like an integral part of the LLLifestyle. "ALL arrows lead back to Bush!"

53 kstagger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:17:16am

#49, we need a more nuanced approach to Iran - because diplomacy worked so well in the past *cough* like North Korea

/sarc

54 Enginerd  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:17:17am

This is all getting better than anything Hollywood could have come up with. Maybe someone should search for "Lucy" in California??!!

I can't wait to see where this jumps next...as I am sure the story coming out of Burkett/CBS/Rather, etc, etc will change at least two more times before the end of the week.

55 Ckimoo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:17:40am

#24 (Geepers)
"I mean, he's so concerned to protect your identity that he immediately copies then burns the originals including the envelope they came in to eliminate even a chance of connection through forensic means, then as soon as the cameras roll he tells the whole world your name!."

Very astute Geepers! I didn't catch that layer of it!

I find it utterly ridiculous that someone would burn original memos, especially after taking such horrible quality copies of them. The fact that he says he did this is evidence that he is lying. No one would do this. Or at the very least, they would take actual photographs of the documents.

He isn't lying when he says that he needed to get rid of forensic evidence: forensic evidence would have proved that he is the one who typed it up.

Any cooincidence to how these things showed up just after Carville and Begala signed on the campaign?
Usually, rats flee a sinking ship...

56 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:17:50am
#34 Dave the...
Yes, but do our Zionist masters know of Halliburton's plans? And did they approve the attacks? And where's my monthly check?!


The fax came from a Kinko's in Israel, so the Zionist rulers are informed.

Your check will be sent as soon as the Fundamentalist Christians who determine the Bush policies get them printed in the secret meeting room in Texas.


This is too easy, I feel like I'm cutting and pasting lines out of the letters to the editors of my local paper.

57 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:19:05am

#47 RIP Ford: Laugh Out Loud all you like... but this is an image-Google of "Lucy Ramirez" (not kidding).

I rest my case.

58 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:19:46am

But the documents are R-E-A-L! Anybody stupid enough to dispute their authenticity must be a wingnut.

/Brain dead Kossack

Sigh. So much anger, so little common sense.

59 dcbatlle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:20:05am

I feel sorry for that poor idiot Burkett


I don't. I think he's the fabricator. That's why he can't decide if the docs came from "Lucy" or George Conn.

60 RightIsRight  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:20:08am

#18 smit


Holy Cow /Phil Rizzuto


What a bunch of delusional moonbats.

Comparing themselves to Jews in Germany??

61 Paul  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:20:27am

Look for the girl with the CBS eye,
and she's gone.
Lucy in Texas with memos.
Lucy in the sky with memos.

Somebody's dropped too much acid, man!

62 BH  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:20:41am

Suuure, Lucy Ramirez gave them to you. Riiight. I think this is a tactic that Burkett picked up in high school. "Sure, guys, I have a girlfriend. Who? Um, you don't know her. She goes to another school."

63 roach[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:20:44am
64 Amritas  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:21:12am

#55 Ckimoo

forensic evidence would have proved that he is the one who typed it up.

It would be interesting to know what version of Word Burkett has on his computer. I wonder if he deinstalled it and installed a different version. But given how he supposedly thought computer printout memos (Windows 72 rocks, maaan!) were "devastating", I doubt it.

65 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:22:00am

When will the lying stop? Answer: when someone coughs up the DNC staffer who typed up these 'memos'.

#49 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

It should be noted that that missile, and the two planned follow up missiles, are too large to (practically) carry conventional warheads. It doesn't make sense to spend that much money on a missile only to deliver conventional payloads. I'd find the half dozen links to experts who say that, but I'm a bit lazy.

66 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:22:26am
67 Al-Qaeda for Kerry  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:22:31am

hahaha - I LOVED reading "Lucy Ramirez"! I can hear the lead-in in my head and see the stern, interested look on Dan Rather's face as he opens his expose on
60 Minutes II with..."Lucy Ramirez (long pause, sterner face)...who is Lucy Ramirez. This recently discovered document shows she was the illegitimate second wife of George Bush when they wedded in Mobile, Alabama on a drunken foray in 1972. The document STILL reeks of alcohol...and experts are still undecided by the peculiar white streaks found faded on the paper...(real stern look)...some experts have speculated that the white marks...COCAINE...

Jesus, DAN!!!---LUCY RAMIREZ!!??? That poor, broken, bitter Mr. Burkett.

68 aaron  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:23:05am

Lucy -> Lucinda?

69 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:23:13am

OT: Very interesting article from MEMRI. Arab progressive writer questions: have the Arabs all gone crazy?

Here's just one choice nugget.

If the Arabs had today a well-burnished mirror in which they can see themselves, and if they had the requisite courage to look in it, they would be stricken by fear and panic at the sight of themselves. The image [would be] that we have become the most terrorist nation and the greatest spillers of blood in the world in this [current] stage of history in which nations resolve their problems through dialogue, diplomacy, conventions, and through appeal to the world's better judgment, to public opinion, and to intellectuals, instead of threatening [others] with bloodshed if this or that demand goes unmet… The image is that we have become a nation devoid of reason!"

Worth reading!

70 Duthieon  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:23:59am

Captain's Quarters has a great commentary on the USA Today story. I link to CQ here.

71 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:24:05am

#67

The sad part is there will probably be people saying that.

72 Carolina Girl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:24:15am
The only thing I’ve done here is to transfer documents from people I thought were real to people I thought were real. And that has been the limitation of my role. I may have been a patsy.”


Let me get this straight -- people he THOUGHT were real? So Burkett has trouble distinguishing real people from, say his imaginary friends from elementary school? Or holographic projections.

I didn't think it possible, but CBS is looking more foolish by the minute. Perhaps they should scrap the "eye" logo for a jester's hat.

73 Momzilla  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:24:58am

#30 thoolou

That was a quote from Will Rogers. Google him and read some of his other stuff. He was hilarious! My favorite Will Rogers quote is, "This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." He also said that it's easy to be a humorist when he's got the whole congress working for him.

Re "Lucy Ramirez" Somebody get a screen shot of those phone postings at DU. Those women might want to sue. That's just appalling, esp. considering that Burkett is probably making the whole thing up. He's certifiable.

He had the original documents in his hand and burned them along with the envelope? Yeah, right. Ramirez is as common as Jones down here, and Lucinda is a particularly common name in the hispanic community.

74 rosh  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:25:07am

#54 Enginerd 
Not California, but there is a Lucy Ramirez in Chicago. Public Schools Office of Communications. Not that that means anything.
I feel sorry for the "wrong" Lucys if anyone dares to call them. Ppl please don't do it.

75 lazytart  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:27:21am
76 Abu Jimbola  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:27:45am

OT From Debka; Iraqi "women" subject of hostage demands are Drs Germ and other associates of Hussein.

Debka on the American Hostages and Zarqawis Demands

77 evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:28:08am

This part is interesting:

"After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko's shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in. Ramirez was worried about leaving forensic evidence on them that might lead back to her, Burkett said, acknowledging that the story sounded fantastic. "

Now, either Burkett is more 'creative' than we think, or the "source" is somewhat sophisticated. I'd say East Coast, Ivy League type with connections to the DNC or Kerry camp that could not, under any circumstances, be revealed. I don't think a gadfly like Marty Heldt would care too much about forensic evidence.
Burkett says he has "phone records"...so what's the number?
Is Lucy Ramirez Mary Beth Cahill??

It's time Texas Atty General Greg Abbot subpeoena Burkett and put him in from of a grand jury for forging official Texas National Guard documents!

78 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:28:18am
79 Amritas  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:28:42am

I blame "Ricky Ricardo", a rabid anti-Communist from Cuba. Lucy was his naive Democrat wife who passed on the printouts, er, papers to Burkett.

Someone should create a CGI "Lucy Ramirez" and photoshop her into pictures with Burkett. Sure, such pictures will be fake ... but accurate!

80 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:28:45am

There's really no "Raoul," or "Lucy Ramirez."

CBS just thought they could get away with sourcing a smear on President Bush from a guy who's as nuanced f**ked-up as Burkett because of CBS News' reputation, and that all it would take is to call him "unimpeachable," et voila! it would be true! Mapes has been after this story for five years, and Burkett's the best they could come up with, evidently, so they just went with it.

Remember, Dan Rather still wants the story to be true, and until the blogosphere broke the forgery, he was all set to "demand that President Bush answer these serious charges". It doesn't matter the bogosity of the "evidence," it's the seriousness of the charges, dammit!

That's the story as it stands now. The taint that's spreading to the Kerry campaign is still somewhat tenuous. Sure, Mapes and Burkett talked to them, but would anyone doubt that they would like to take advantage of a "big story" broken by CBS News that they were tipped off to?

81 Carolyn  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:30:29am

Andy Rooney (I know, I know) was on Imus this morning. He didn't admit the papers were forgeries, and implied that Republicans are behind it all.

82 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:31:28am
83 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:31:40am

Notice, even if the story is true, the "originals" are still forged MS Word documents. What a huge mess. His defense is not a defense.

I think it's time to put Lockhart, McAuliffe, Sasso, and Cahill under oath. Kerry knew, but even the Democrats aren't stupid enough to have the candidate forge the documents. Well, after this forging job, who knows?

84 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:32:13am

Condemning 'Islamophobia'

According to the DU, Texas is a hotbed of Islamophobia.

whatever.

85 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:33:22am
86 alegrias  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:33:37am

Bush takes it to the heart of darkness, talks tought at UN this morning! Take it to the enemy, that's the "W" for warrior spirit.

(Meanwhile Kerry hangs out on Crooked B-S network programs, avoiding media for over a month, peddling appeasenik propaganda.)

Nov. 2 can't come fast enough! There'll be global gnashing of teeth, yeargh!

87 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:33:56am

IDENTIFIED (thanks to Google)!

Lucia Ramirez!

She certainly looks like a Karl Rove operative to me!

88 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:35:45am

OT

This is just to funny. Not sure if this is old news so forgive me if is.

Lawyer: Burkett to Sue CBS

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

89 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:36:31am

#84 Smit

They want us to be afraid of them. That's what terrorism, da'wa, conversion by sword, and the death penalty for apostates and kuffar are designed to do, cause fear. They win, I'm scared of them. But when I get scared I get angry.

90 Melissa  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:36:47am

I know who Lucy Ramirez is. I saw her at the checkout counter this morning. She's the one who is 9 months pregnant with Bigfoot's love child.

92 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:37:57am
93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:38:23am

This is all starting to read like a bad James Bond script. Next, Burkett will claim that in reality, the source of the memos works for SPECTRE and that Karl Rove is really Ernst Stavro Blofield. And the only person who can back up all of this is Cdr. James Bond of MI6, who is conveniently on assignment at the moment.

94 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:39:44am

L iberals
U sing
C BS
Y et again

R ather
A nd co.
M aking
I t
R eally
E asy
Z zzz

95 flenser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:40:18am

Breaking development ...

The unknown man who handed the documents to Burkett was Kaiser Sose.

96 Earl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:41:45am

#31 NK

Perfect, there's another activist, gun-owning constituency of American society that will be staunchly anti-islamist: namely, every bird hunter, be it upland or waterfowl.

Interestingly, SWMBO was recently walking our black bird dog on a leash along a city street and unwittingly approached a small group of muslims (women in hijab, bearded men). And did they scatter when the wife and Muttley approached. What a bunch of primitives...

97 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:42:37am

#89 Beagle - Yup, me too. This internal attack while AQ attack externally, it's like they're trying to down the US by death from 1000 cuts.

Have they even thought that suceeding in crippling the US would only strengthen other nations who would not be as understanding of the desires of their brethren? {China}

98 Jack is Back!  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:43:09am

Has anyone at the DNC, DU, Daily Kos, Moonbat Central and MichaelMoore.com ever considered the rebound effect in the Hispanic community (they do vote, you know) by floating the Lucy Ramirez cop-out and phone numbers in Houston? By dragging in a possibly and most probably fictional person and then mounting some kind of midnight witch hunt with tiki torches they are not doing much to get the Hispanic community on their side.

99 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:44:05am

To all the Lucy Ramirez's currently being inundated with raving Kos moonbats, remember:

Voto para Bush!

100 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:45:02am
Nuestra Clinica del Valle is a huge source of pride and admiration for me. Lucy Ramirez, along with the Nuestra board of directors, and the dedicated staff at all of the clinics know no limits when it comes to serving the health needs of the Rio Grande Valley.


I've been drunk in the Rio Grande Valley.


Maybe I've met Lucy Ramirez.

101 joel2  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:45:42am

#95 flenser,

Kaiser Soze? Does that mean it's Bill O'Reilly?

102 Gordon  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:45:59am

Meanwhile, E J Dionne asks in the Washington Post, "What is Bush Hiding?"

Time to move on from your forgeries victory and start asking this underlying question, right Charles?

Oh yeah, I forgot.

SHILL!

103 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:47:17am

There is a Lucy Ramirez active in St. Pius X Catholic Church in Corpus Christi.

I've been drunk in Corpus Christi, and I saw a bench on the beach donated by the Fawcett family, and one of the Fawcett children was named "Farrah".

Bizarre, eh?

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:48:17am

NEWS FLASH!

Lucy Ramirez is Gordon's dominatrix! He meets her every Wednesday afternoon in his rent-controlled love nest! It's all true!

105 Harlan Pepper  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:48:17am

SHILL!

Is that your new sig line? Fits you to a T.

106 joel2  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:48:28am

Whoa! Something stinks over at #102... Post #102 cannot count towards the 1,000,000 mark - must be subtracted from total.

107 mindless_robot  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:48:28am

Way off topic, but the start of a new scandal.
According to
AP News Kerry mentioned two illegal contributions he received from minors, and apparently in currency exceeding the $100 limit.

Kerry campaign donors apparently come in all sizes. He told Philbin and Ripa that a woman in New York gave him $385 that her 8-year-old son had raised selling homemade campaign buttons, and a 6-year-old in Philadelphia handed over a plastic container with $685 he had earned selling homemade campaign bracelets.


Reference Paragraphs 441K and 441G of the FEC Laws. Also, Paragraph 441F prohibits a parent donating on behalf of a child.

108 Desso Studios  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:49:01am

RNC to hold press conference concerning "time line" of doc. story

per FOX NEWS

no time given - just "later today"

109 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:49:12am
110 Lighnting_Man  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:49:14am

Switchboard.com lists 17 Lucy Ramirezes in Texas. Now, given that many women's phone listings are either in their first initial or their husband's name, there should be plenty of Lucy Ramirezes in Texas to choose from that have nothing to do with Karl Rove.

Moreover, just because Burkett was told her name was Lucy Ramirez doesn't make it so.

111 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:49:48am

Lucy Ramirez volunteered over 50 hours of her time at The University of Texas Medical Branch.

112 Dublin vs Kerry  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:51:30am

Maybe the wannabe persecuted ghetto dwelling fools over at DU are on to something with the Karl Rove connection.

Or even more sinister, DONALD RUMSFELD!

Lucy Ramirez mix the coded message up and voila! Crazy Rum lie!!!

113 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:52:39am

#102 Gordon

Here's a question for you to answer, Gordo: What is Kerry hiding by refusing to sign Form 180?

114 mcg  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:53:12am

Regardless of where these documents come from, Rathergate has exposed the absolute and total incompetence of the CBS newsies working on this story. Despite the fact that Burkett's spotty history is known, they trust him as an unimpeachable source. They don't bother to check out his story that Conn supplied the memos. They don't believe their document experts when they say they are questionable---even though Burkett himself specifically told CBS to authenticate the memos. (That is one thing I do trust from what he said, since CBS chose to air that and did not dispute it.) They stonewalled for a week and a half when faced with the obvious proof that they were forged.

The bottom line: there were so many opportunities for CBS to question and ultimately reject these memos, and they passed up EVERY SINGLE ONE.

So I find it hard to believe that this is a Karl Rove plant, because any competent news organization would not have accepted this. Rove would have made the forgeries a bit harder to detect. To start with he would have used a TYPEWRITER. Still, he would have made sure that CBS only had copies, so they couldn't conclusively authenticate them, so that at just the right time he could "recover" the originals and demonstrate that they were forged through standard forensic techniques (modern paper, modern ink, etc.)

Then again, if it IS a Rove plant, then it is a work of utter genius absolutely unparalleled in political history. Sounds like a great guy to have around.

115 Smitty  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:53:45am

One millionth!!!? No, okay, sorry. Never mind.

116 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:53:48am

Just arrived. Can anyone fill me in or aim me at a post that explains what Lucy Raimerez's connection to Burkett or the DNC is?

117 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:54:43am

#102 Gordon:

Time to move on from your forgeries victory and start asking this underlying question, right Charles?

Such as?

118 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:55:30am

I do feel sorry for the real Lucy Ramirezes in Texas.

Couldn't he have invented a name whereby innocent women wouldn't be harrassed?

Somthing like Sophia Mclaughlin-Obeyo. Plausible, multicultural and ungooglable - until this page gets cached at least...

119 punslinger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:56:09am

I did not have fax with that woman!

120 flenser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:56:15am

C'mon people, wake up!! There is no Lucy Ramirez. This is just Burkett's attempt to stay out of jail for forging government documents. I cannot believe some of you are trying to track down this mythical person.

121 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:56:20am

#97 Smit

I can simplify my views down to several basic issues.
1) Does the Muslim believe in shari'a law over secular law?
2) Does the Muslim believe in the supremacy of the Koran over the U.S. Constitution?
3) Does the Muslim believe in jihad?

If yes to any of the above, deport the Muslim to Saudi Arabia or Yemen.

122 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:58:08am

The Lucy Ramirez with the Hidalgo County Bar Association is almost certainly a Dhimmirat.


It is only a six or severn hour drive from Hidalgo (the "H" is silent) County to Houston up US 59, which is also a popular route for drug smugglers.

While driving up US 59, stop in scenic and historic El Campo, TX.

Official City of El Campo Website.

123 DumbBlondeCapitalist  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 6:59:11am

#7/Nancy,

That site describes Congressman Ruben Hinojosa as a Democrat. Wonder why Kos says it's a Republican site?

Also, from the site:

In awarding Congressman Hinojosa the National Council of La Raza's President's Award...
124 LanceKates  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:00:51am

122

And if you have another 2 or 3 days... come up to wonderful Minnesota. we have... well... nevermind. stay in TX..


Wait!
We don't get Hurricanes! yes! Come to Minnesota: We don't get Hurricanes.

125 [Mark]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:01:22am

#102 Gordon

Time to move on from your forgeries victory and start asking this underlying question, right Charles?

Exactly. Now that we know the documents are forgeries, what was the DNC's role in this crime?

126 evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:01:26am

WaPo reporter Lucy Shackelford has been on this TANG thing for a long time...

Canadian activist Lucy Watson is a WTO anarchist

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Nick Lucy, a 64-year-old veteran and Democrat, said he was turned away from a May 7 rally in Dubuque, Iowa

Lucy Rounds - anti Bush "author"

Could it be Daglish or Shackelford?
Shackelford as a "reporter" covering this story for a while would have the tools to create the forgeries.

127 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:01:46am

OT

Anybody see The American Spectator today? Nice Pagamas.

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

128 our gal sal  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:01:54am

Well, I checked and Burkitt is indeed a member of the Texas Simmental Association and the Houston Rodeo is in March. So, if someone can verify that he was at the rodeo, there are two things he said that are true.

Oh - and d*rn the lizards who turned me on to DU.
They're so awful, you don't want to look, but can't avert your eyes...

But seriously, do you know any Bush supporters who are going to emigrate if Kerry wins? Or, like the embarrassed lady who had to admit that she was not serious - are planning to off themselves? They have no sense of proportion or appropriateness. It's all feelings and drama - how wearing...

129 Havoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:03:09am

So dirty tricks involving fraud to throw a federal election in a time of war -- and probable collusion with the DNC is pretty conclusive. Conclusive enough to start a commission to embarass OR investigation to indict.

Get armed and dedicate some sustained effort to cleaning up vote fraud in your area. At least South Dakota NOW has a valid Picture I.D. requirement at the polls. Florida 2000 had thousands of New Yorkers who also voted absentee in Florida -- Stop the whining moonbats.

Get the book Stealing Elections -- how voter fraud threatens our democracy

Book Description -- The Florida Fiasco of 2000, with hanging chads, butterfly ballots and Supreme Court intervention, forced Americans to confront an ugly reality. The U.S. has the sloppiest election systems of any industrialized nation, so sloppy that at least eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were actually able to register to vote in either Virginia or Florida while they made their deadly preparations for 9/11
In "Stealing Elections," John Fund takes the reader on a national tour of voter fraud scandals ranging from rural states like Texas and Mississippi to big cities such as Philadelphia and Milwaukee. He explores dark episodes such as the way "vote brokers" stole a mayoral election in Miami in 1998 by tampering with 4700 absentee ballots. He shows how, in the aftermath of the Motor Voter Law of 1993, Californians used mail-in forms to get absentee ballots for fictitious people and pets, while in St. Louis it was discovered that voter rolls included 13,000 more names than the U.S. Census listed as the total number of adults in the city.
Election officials are trying to reassure voters by turning to computerized voting machines. But Fund shows that with the new technology come even greater concerns. Early in 2004, for instance, the state of Maryland, which has 16,000 new Diebold machines, commissioned a security expert to try to rig a practice election. He and his team broke into the computer at the State Board of Elections, completely changed the outcome of the election, left, and erased their electronic trail—all in under five minutes
"Stealing Elections" gives us a chilling portrait of our electoral vulnerability--in the 2004 presidential election and on into the future. Writing with urgency and authority, John Fund shows how a lethal combination of bureaucratic bungling and ballot rigging have put our democracy at risk.
130 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:03:25am

#119 punslinger--

BOOO!!!

(actually, pretty good.)

#102 Gordon:

and start asking this underlying question

Indeed, let's focus on the crucial, underlying questions, upon which the very life of our Republic depend, such as: did George W. Bush report for a physical in 1972?

I think I can say, without hyperbole, that this is the most important question ever asked in all of human history.

131 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:03:29am

#123 DumbBlondeCapitalist

Precisely --too blinded by his need to connect the "culprit" to Rove/GOP that he simply "assumed" it had to be a Repbulican site --I suspect.

In other words he didn't even "see the reality" that it is a Democrat congressman --not a Republican.

Oblivious to whatever information doesn't "fit" the theory he wanted to imply. Obviously, he did not want to connect Ramirez with the Dems.

132 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:03:34am

#122 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C

Did you hear that NOAA has decided to change the name of Huricane Karl to Kerry? They did this because the storm was wandering about aimlessly in no general direction and was full of hot air.

NEWS FLASH: Lisa has been changed to Lucy to stay on topic here.

133 TMF  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:03:48am

THe underlying question is this:

WIll enough Americans be manipulated by the base, isolationist, cynical Iraq posturing that has been adopted by Kerry from now to the end of the election?

What with the daily array of carbombings and beheadings by Sadaam and Al Qaeda's animals in Iraq (which of course will NOT GO AWAY if we cut and run) it is an instinct that is understandable. I feel it myself sometimes.

If the answer is yes, then it will be a coup for Kerry and for the most disgraceful campaign strategy I have ever seen. It will be a victory for ignorance, fear and naivete in the face of a growing, brutal threat that, again IS NOT GOING AWAY

134 The Monster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:04:32am

Obviously, 'Lucy' is short for 'Lucifer', who is Karl Rove.
QE frigging D.

</LLL>

Time to start the standard *gate drumbeat - everyone who has ever been mentioned in this affair must answer:

What did you know, and when did you know it?

135 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:04:36am

"Lucy Ramirez" is like The Chupacabra: an entirely imaginary creation to explain away bizarre phenomena like sheep mutilation. Only in this case the bizarre phenomena is the DNC and Kerry campaign's collusion with a national television network to affect the outcome of a Presidential election through the use of forged documents.

136 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:04:41am

I also think this is a snipe hunt. Lucy Ramirez is like looking for Michael Johnson in the rest of the country. Robert Smith is another example. One of them took down the mega-Barbara Streisand and released Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, sure, but it's a common name.

137 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:04:54am
Time to move on from your forgeries victory and start asking this underlying question, right Charles?

OK. Why did Kerry lie about atrocities in Vietnam?

138 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:06:18am

Oh and some of the leftist bloggers appear to be inches away from joining their brothers in arms and declaring the whole thing a Jewish conspiracy.

139 SoCalJustice  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:07:28am

**repost**

WaPo's Michael Dobbs having an online chat on RatherGate:

[Link: discuss.washingtonpost.com...]

140 Lively  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:08:19am

#91 Norwegian kafir: If you're still around, do you know where the hadith is that says you need to wipe your anus with your third finger...or something along those lines.

I read it one time on Ask the Imam and my husband does not believe me.

141 fxb  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:08:19am

One Kos contributor sums up Rathergate generously.

What's most depressing about this controversy is that CBS is getting reamed for attempting to base its reporting on facts, rather than on just recirculating what "some people are saying" about John Kerry, etc. Ironically, it's the fact that CBS at least attempts factual reporting that has gotten it into trouble.

Isn't it ironic? Don'tcha think?

142 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:09:29am

By the way, with everything going on with CBS, we're not talking about Bush's fantastic, amazing speech before the UN. The only thing that would have made it more perfect would have been a mention of Oil-for-food and the role of UN in perpetuating the dictators and corrupt governments of the world.

I hope somebody posts a video of it somewhere online.

143 mal  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:09:30am

from NY daily news
What Bush should tell the UN
> Mr. Secretary General. Distinguished fellow members of the world
community
> of nations.
> Well, God knows why I'm standing here before you today. I might as well
be
> talking to the wall. You're the people who didn't mind a bit that Saddam
> Hussein paid absolutely no attention to 17 of your formal resolutions.
> You're the people who would have cheerfully allowed him to ignore 17
more.
> You're the people who couldn't be bothered to so much as raise an
eyebrow
> over an oil-for-food swindle so obvious it might as well have had a neon
> sign on it.
> And you're the people who just sit there and let Iran poke you in the
eye
> with a stick whenever you mutter anything about how deeply concerned you
are
> about those uranium enrichment programs.
> And you're the people who are plainly going to let countless more
thousands
> of suffering people die in Sudan for years yet while you appoint
commissions
> and consider taking a meeting soon to think about threatening more
> sanctions. Which, of course, you're not going to do anyway because,
after
> all, some of you sell arms to Sudan and - oh, never mind. Everybody
knows
> all this already.
> You're the people who've got criminal crackpots sitting on human-rights
> panels. You're the people who regularly condemn Israel for defending
itself
> against madmen who have bombs strapped to their bellies. You're the
people
> who would actually like nothing better than for there not to be Iraqi
> elections in January, am I right? Why don't you just admit it up-front,
> Kofi?
> No, truthfully, I'm not expecting very much from you. But I'm here
because
> you're the world body, put here to look after the better interests of
the
> inhabitants of this planet. It was a nice idea. Darn shame it long ago
got
> hijacked by a sorry bunch of do-nothings like you. The world deserves so
> much more.
> By the way, hello to the several of you out there I know to be my good,
> dependable friends. "The coalition of the bribed and the coerced," as my
> statesmanlike campaign opponent likes to call you. Yeah, we're kind of
> outnumbered here in a crowd like this, aren't we? But we'll manage.

144 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:09:41am

#136 Beagle:

I also think this is a snipe hunt.

I believe most here agree with that assessment; we're just havin' a little fun with the whole "Lucy Ramirez" meme.

(Me, I'd like to have a little fun with the Lucy Ramirez I linked to in #57.)

145 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:10:46am

Thanks Mal, you either read my mind or you are real quick on the trigger.

146 punslinger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:11:25am

The incriminating documents will probably be found on some scuzzy hard drive or burned into some seedy rom.

147 mr. beamish  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:12:53am

OT:

Thank you Charles for bringing back the bouncing little green football graphic for the header. It's like an old, reliable friend.

:)

148 [Mark]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:12:57am

Comments over at Washington Monthly about Rathergate are frightening:

"I see the freepers are out in force, pretending to be liberals.

it is bullshit how the right-wing thinks they can shut down CBS.

why? 9-11??? to me 9-11 was a NON-ISSUE. It was 3000 rich people.

And we bomb brown people for 3000 stock brokers? fuck em. can you see who it benefits? the corporations and the zionists. *as usual)

i think it is about time he hit the streets and exterminate these right wing fucks. i want to see all these fascists hanging from lamp-posts. and yes that includes your right-wing bush-voting hillbilly cousin."

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

149 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:13:16am

#144 Occasional Reader

If that's Lucy Ramirez, I think we need to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.

150 GNIDAthe#seCond  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:13:40am

Did anybody hear Koffi Annan condemn Israel in his speech? Is it true he singled out Israel?

151 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:13:58am

Isn't it telling though that Burkett said he thought he was dealing with "real people" and thus may have KNOWN of a real Lucy --one who was a Democrat he trusted?

I am inclined to believe that anyone who would forge documents would also USE someone else's identity --but someone Burkett would have reason to believe could be trusted and someone he would have reason to "protect."

The fraud then extends beyond just forged documents but likely to "impersonating" someone by claiming to be them.

152 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:14:34am

CBS's ass-covering strategy at this point is to play document musical chairs. CBS got the memos from Burkett who got them from Ramirez who got them from Barnes who got them from Lockhart who got them from Ramirez who got them from Burkett...

153 Joseph  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:14:41am

btw, here's the kind of stuff you can't make up: A few years ago Rather was doing a special on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem... I'm pretty sure I remember reading an account of how his producer or assistant had to inform him, during an interview held overlooking the Mount, the basic history of the location (ie both Jewish Temples stood there for close to 1,000 years total).

154 our gal sal  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:14:47am

#s 113, 117, 125, 130, 137:

It's not going to heal if you don't quit picking at it!"

/Mom

GAZE

155 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:15:14am
"i think it is about time he hit the streets and exterminate these right wing fucks. i want to see all these fascists hanging from lamp-posts. and yes that includes your right-wing bush-voting hillbilly cousin.""

Methinks they need brownshirts to express their "sympathy" for those with brown skin. Racist bastards!

156 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:15:23am
157 Andy in Agoura Hills  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:16:11am

I gotta say those "things" over at DU, what a bunch of messed up mofos. Read this from an senior citizen (female):


What defense do we have if Bush is elected? If the congress is so selfishly complacent seeking to preserve themself and their careers rather than the Constitution ,if the judiciary is also collabarative and is virtually unassailable by the people or held accountable by the people, and the military is under the control of Bush, what else it there to do but flee because for sure there will be tyranny, given the record of the past four years. We do not have missiles, planes or tanks or helicopters, guns or even a slingshot with which to revolt against this overwhelming , but evil, tyrannical power should Bush be elected.

I will not lend my name to continuous slaughter of innocent human beings for mere profit and power of the little prick of a priveledged ignorant and stupid incompetant twit, his Stepford, air head, also a twit, botoxed, chain smoking, manufactured wife[Talking about Ter-ray-suh???], and vacant minded, law breaking, bordello dressing, spoiled, slutty and silly dumb daughters.

Then there is this from another poster:


If I had strong family with guns I'd go up into the NC Mountains and hide out until I could be with a "militia" to go after Bush.

Oh you'd better not buddy, because I have some firearms too. And I'm willing to use them on assholes like you that want to "kill for an immoral reason." Wow, the vitriol and hypocrisy coming from these people is amazing. This confirms that they've lost all hope in the election.

158 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:17:16am

Amazing... The irresponsible people at Kos are actually listing names and addresses for people named 'Lucy Ramirez'. The Michael Moore fever swamp has no scruples at all.

159 berean  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:18:06am

#88 sli
I just saw the Newsmax story (New York Sun) about Van Os saying Burkett plans to sue CBS. I hope he hurries up and does it soon. Any word on when? And lawyers: What would come out in discovery? How soon in the process? Pre-Nov. 2??

160 William  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:18:22am
why? 9-11??? to me 9-11 was a NON-ISSUE. It was 3000 rich people.

And we bomb brown people for 3000 stock brokers? fuck em. can you see who it benefits? the corporations and the zionists. *as usual)


Clearly, "progressives" are the product of child abuse.

I wish these people would just move to France already.
 

161 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:19:36am

Bush's UN speech

Annan's UN speech

Links go to Foxnews.com

162 Havoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:20:01am

Look, anyone who saw the CSPAN-2 Broadcast in Jan. Feb. March. of James Carville pimping his new book,

Should not be surpirsed by any or all Attacks, on "W".

There was a two year build up by Pelosi, Daschle, Rangle and the "attack dog de Jour".

The intent, if not the specifics of the Attacks on "W" was mapped out last year. They said it would be really dirty and really nasty ... and so far they've kept that promise.

163 mike(in)savage  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:20:25am

From CBS's website:

Burkett initially told CBS News he got the documents from a fellow guardsman. But when CBS News Anchor Dan Rather interviewed Burkett this past weekend, he changed his story and said he got the documents from a different source -- one CBS News cannot verify.

Why did Burkett tell CBS News something he now says is not true? CBS News put the question to him.

Dan Rather: "Why did you mislead us?"

Bill Burkett: "Well, I didn't totally mislead you. I did mislead you on the one individual. You know, your staff pressured me to a point to reveal that source.

Rather: "Well, we were trying to get the chain of possession."

Burkett: "I understand that."

Rather: "And you said that you had received them from someone."

Burkett: "I understand that."

Rather: "We did pressure you to say well, you received them from someone …"

Burkett: "Yes."

Rather: "And it's true. We pressured you. It was a very important point."

Burkett: "Yes ... "

Rather: "For us."

Burkett: "And I simply threw out a name … that was basically I guess to take a little
pressure off for a moment."

I'd like a lot more clarification of when, exactly, "last weekend" it was revealed to CBS that Burkett had been caught in a lie. Note Rather's first question - "Why did you mislead us", instead of, "Sir, have you misled us?"
CBS knew prior to the interview that it had been deceived by their primary source!

Again, I'd like a firm timeline - specifically, how much time did CBS allow to elapse from the point at which they decided they were deceived (let alone having confirmation of that fact from their source) until they finally decided to issue their "apology"?

164 CGW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:20:32am

John Kerry is a saint

John Kerry was scheduled to visit the Catholic National Cathedral outside Washington as part of his campaign. Kerry's campaign manager made a visit to the Cardinal and said to him, "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity among Catholics because of Kerry's position on abortion and the like. We'd gladly make a contribution to the church of $100,000 if during your sermon you'd say John Kerry is a saint."

The Cardinal thinks it over for a few moments and finally says, "The Church is in desperate need of funds and I will agree to do it."

Kerry pompously shows up looking especially smug today and as the Mass progresses the Cardinal begins his homily.

"John Kerry is petty, a self absorbed, hypocrite and a nitwit. He is a liar, a cheat, and a low intelligence weasel. He wrote a book and portrayed himself in the best light when he was a traitor to his fellow servicemen. He has lied about his military record and had the gall to put himself in for a medal. He married for money and is using it to lie to the American people. He is the worst example of a Catholic I've ever personally known. But compared to Ted Kennedy, John Kerry is a saint."

165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:20:48am

#141 fxb

It's easy to understand the Left's view of the MSM. When they report realfacts instead of goodfacts, then the media is little more than Republican shills bending to the will of their corporate masters.

When they report nothing but goodfacts, even when the realfacts contradict them, then they are reporting the "truth" and anybody who doesn't agree with it is simply trying to cover up the "truth" and is probably a card-carrying member of the VRWC.

Simple, really. George Orwell would have a field-day with the modern Left.

166 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:21:17am

#156 American Infidel

LOL!

167 Dublin vs Kerry  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:21:17am

Okay okay, that's enough links/pastes form DU.

It makes me feel...dirty.

Now I've got to take a shower and find 3 or 5 or 7 stones according to #91 Norwegian kafir.

168 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:21:22am

#149 Beagle:

If that's Lucy Ramirez, I think we need to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.

I agree. In the name of all that is decent and right, we need to find her, and fact-check this story. You check the strip clubs; I'll take the lingerie shows. Let's roll!

169 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:21:42am

#154 our gal sal

Sure. But what about the underlying issue of which highly-placed operatives in the Kerry campaign knew about this, and when did they know it?

We know Lockhart, privy to Kerry, knew. We know Mapes cooperated with the DNC. Which other media outlets openly coordinate with the DNC?

Answer: AP, Reuters, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, LAT, Boston Globe, etc.

170 pat  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:22:44am

Next week. Burkett. Did I say Ramirez? I meant Riccardo. Lucy Riccardo. Rather. Tankyou for clearing that up.

171 Orinoco  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:22:57am

Lucy in the sky with documents

172 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:24:02am

#148 [Mark]:

From your link--

i think it is about time he hit the streets and exterminate these right wing

I always find it amusing when leftie moonbats float the idea that they'll be able to pick a nationwide gunfight with conservatives... and win.

173 zombie  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:24:22am

My site is back up and ONLINE!! Tell the masses!

zombie's amazing photos of the "How Berkeley Can You Be?" parade.
It went offline late last night -- still not sure why. Probably overwhelmed with hits. Anyway, check out while you can. You will not regret it! Well, you'll probably regret it, but you won't soon forget it.

174 vancomycin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:24:25am

#148 [Mark]

That's some sick shit right there.

Maybe I oughta have that jackass meet me somewhere, so I can put him outta his misery.

175 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:24:40am

The implication that Rove orchastrated it is rather lame because THEY --Rather, CBS, Burkett are ALL "protecting" someone and have been from day 1.

I think the "mysterious stranger" is just another fabrication.

176 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:25:55am

#156 American Infidel

[Link: www.islam.tc...]

You can't make this shit up.

177 wong fei hung  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:26:34am

It is great to watch the KOSsacks writhe in the feces of their own convictions like the ecstatic dung beetles they are. This story is only going to get bigger and bigger and it's going to ruin a lot of people who frankly, deserve a good ruinin'.

Bravo, CJ!!! You're a modern-day Upton Sinclair.

Feh. What do I know. I'm just a pajama-wearing white supremacist who lives in my parent's basement. Oops-I'm not white!!!

178 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:27:07am

Nice to hear that Dan Rather considers pathological liars to be unimpeachable sources.

Along those lines, I hear CBS is looking for new staff: mute anchormen, deaf interviewers, and blind copyeditors.

179 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:27:30am
180 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:28:51am

Main-Stream Leftist News
(to the tune of Mexicali Blues, by The Grateful Dead)

...
She said her name was Lucy, she was fresh in town,
I didn't know a straight line ran from Hell,
She had raven hair, a ruffled dress, a PC running Word,
All the French perfume you'd care to smell.

She took me up into her room and whispered in my ear,
"Go on my friend do anything you choose."
And I'm paying for those happy hours I spent there in her arms,
Shilling phoney docs to the Main-Stream Leftist News.

Is there anything a man don't stand to lose,
When John Kerry wants to take it all away.
Cherish well your thoughts, keep a tight grip on your booze,
Cuz hearing Dan Rather is all I have today.
...

181 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:30:30am

Did anyone ever see that scene in "Earthquake" (in Sensurroundtm ) where this National Guardsman gets all hot and bothered because a young Victoria Principal is wearing a very tight yellow t-shirt, shoots some looters, and then has to be shot dead by the actor that played Joe Patroni, TWA chief mechanic in that movie where Dean Martin has to land a 707 after D.O. Guerrero sets off a bomb in the head? (Guerrero might have gottena way with the plot if Edith Bunker's sister hadn't found his suicide note and went to Lincoln International Airport).

Anyway, I just kind of imagine this guy Burkett as that crazed National Guardsman.

182 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:30:33am

#161 BIG

That is a great, landmark, speech. Bush is calling the UN out. Live up to your founding documents, UN oil-for-fraudsters. This paragraph should make the evildoers shiver. I don't hear one ounce of backing down.

We're determined to destroy terror networks wherever they operate, and the United States is grateful to every nation that is helping to seize terrorist assets, track down their operatives, and disrupt their plans. We're determined to end the state sponsorship of terror — and my nation is grateful to all that participated in the liberation of Afghanistan. We're determined to prevent proliferation, and to enforce the demands of the world — and my nation is grateful to the soldiers of many nations who have helped to deliver the Iraqi people from an outlaw dictator.


Iran probably bolded that also. Hezbollah and Hamas, your martyrdom is served.

183 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:10am

#159 berean
Some how I don't think Nov 2nd is there target date. I don't think he will go though with it. Think about it, discovery will be the thing that blows it wide open.

184 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:14am
185 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:14am

And Burkett was heard singing..."You picked a fine time to mislead me, Lucy Ramierez..."

186 ronnie schreiber  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:35am

The guy at Kos' site thought he found a link between Karl Rove and the forged memos because he Googled a Republican Congressman thanking a Lucy Ramirez on his web site.

A great example what can happen when powerful technology is in the hands of idiots.

Had he bothered to check out the site he would have seen that the congressman was thanking Ms. Ramirez because she's the executive director of Nuestra Clinica Del Valle.

Nuestra Clinica Del Valle (NCDV) consists of 9 clinic sites serving McAllen, Pharr, Mercedes, Mission, Donna, Alton, San Juan, Hidalgo and San Carlos. The clinics serve an active patient population of more than 30,000. Over 80% of the patients served are uninsured. The clinics provide a massive drug assistance program, primary family care, pediatric care, social services, dental services, nutrition and diabetes counseling, and deliver approximately 800 babies per year.

Nothing like smearing a lady who provides medical care to poor people in their zeal to find a Republican boogeyman somewhere in the memo story.

187 Lively  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:41am

#139 SoCalJustice: I went to that live chat with the Wash Post reporter. Many of the people (including the reporter) thinks we are missing the "real" story and Bush was a bad boy 30 years ago.

They still haven't answered my question, "Who is Lucy Ramirez and is Ricky Ricardo somehow involved?"

188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:50am

#179 Geepers

Looks like they're gonna need three podiums at the debates. One for Bush and two for Kerry. Just so he can voice both answers to every question.

189 sefton  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:31:50am

Lucy Ramirez is Burket's Tyler Durden.

190 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:32:34am

Kofi Annan makes me sick.

Yet today the rule of law is at risk around the world. Again and again we see laws shamelessly disregarded: those that ordain respect for innocent life for civilians, for the vulnerable, especially children.

To mention only a few flagrant and topical examples. In Iraq we see civilians massacred in cold blood, while relief workers, journalists and other noncombatants are taken hostage and put to death in the most barbarous fashion. At the same time we have seen Iraqi prisoners disgracefully abused.

In Darfur, we see whole populations displaced and their homes destroyed while rape is used as a deliberate strategy. In northern Uganda we have seen children mutilated and forced to take part in acts of unspeakable crueltyed, lands seized and needless civilian casualties caused by Israel's excessive use of force.

I think he just called us terrorists.

191 BigDog  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:32:51am

Plus the "Will Authenticate Documents for Food" guy on the corner said they "looked real to him"

192 Maine's Michael  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:33:53am

Way OT: Why can't Bush stick to his knitting?

Yes Mr. Bush, how evenhanded and nuanced of you. Show the arab world that while we're in Iraq (half) fighting the war on terror, we understand that arab terror agianst Jews/Israel is a different matter altogether, and that we can still slap the jews around, very publicly.

If this is a taste of what's coming down the pike in the next term, Israel's fucked once again. Not as fucked as they'd be with Kerry, tho.

193 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:34:31am

mal (#143) Link for the lazy?

This is great, coming from the mouth of Burkett:

However, he told the Sun that he now thinks a CBS is "an organization with a total lack of moral or journalistic integrity."

As if Burkett has an iota of integrity of any flavor. And he's going to sue CBS for defamation? Every time I think i've heard it all, I am surprised anew. What chutzpah!

194 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:36:24am

#181 Ed Moran:

by the actor that played Joe Patroni

That would be George Kennedy, of BreathAssure fame.

195 Jefe  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:36:34am

I held the door once for John McCain, and he said, "Thank you." Does that make me a Karl Rove operative? If so, what's the salary?

196 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:37:34am

184 American Infidel

Drinking camel urine.

197 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:38:15am

Targetpractice (#188),

I really don't understand why Kerry isn't way ahead, no matter what your position on an issue is Kerry's also had that position.

198 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:40:34am

Here in Texas, the name "Lucy Ramirez" is about like "John Smith". Burkett made it up.

A friend told me this morning that Burkett reportedly suffered a grand mal seizure after the Rather interview. Has anybody eles heard that?

199 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:41:41am

#197 Geepers

I think it's because most people want to know where a candidate actually stands on an issue. And while Bush may hold positions not everybody agrees with, at least they can admit they know where he stands. With Kerry, his position changes every other minute, so it's impossible to tell where he stands on anything.

200 Smit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:43:23am

#195 Jefe - As I understand the current Rovian comp package, John McCain is a maverick, and as such, is not directly related to the VRWC. BUT McCain is at present working for us so you qualify for a one off payment for aiding a merc.

Clear?

201 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:44:19am

#138 sergio

There is no question that the Sharon government is behind the whole Rathergate conspiracy. The memos were faxed from Israel, I saw it posted on the internet, which is an unimpeachable source and even if the source isn't correct, we know the content is true, so what does it matter? The Israelis passed the memos from their embassy through AIPAC, which sent them 'through unnamed channels' to CBS, because the Zionists want to punish Rather for breaking the Israeli-spy-in-the-DOD story. It's all about discrediting Rather, who, as we all know, is uncorruptible in his pursuit of the unvarnished, unbiased truth.

/overdose sarcastic conspiracy theory. Please pump my stomach.

202 SoCalJustice  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:44:42am

(#173) zombie

Once again, thanks for the laughs and the groans.

I just IM'ed your link to a friend of mine.

His response:

God, we need to nuke that place post haste

And no, he's not bigel.

203 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:44:49am

#173 zombie
Several thoughts come to mind:
1) Save the children.
2) The Communist woman needs medication. Perhaps medication is the problem. One or the other is true.
3) The poor teen with the big afro will someday be a felon, if he isn't already. His parents hooked him on drugs. He looked to be on ecstacy and marijuana, at a minimum, in the photo.
4) Clothing should not be optional in public places.

204 tdenton  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:45:46am

I hand-wrote a letter to my local CBS affiliate (KOLD) decrying Dan Rather / CBS News and just received the following hand wriitten response:

"Tad-

Thank you for your letter. It will be passed on to CBS.

I agree with you! and (sic) I hope you won't hold KOLD responsible for what CBS New York is doing.

Disgusted also,
Jim Arnold"


The letterhead indicates that Jim Arnold is Vice President and General Manager of KOLD 13. I guess they didn't get their supply of Kool-Aid.

205 9Iron  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:45:46am

Anyone got a link to a brief summation of whats going on in the Sudan? I don't know enough about it as I should, except the UN isn't going to do squat about it.

206 Moses Cleaveland  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:45:57am

I got out my Spanish-American dictionary from high school and translated:

Lucy = Tuhrayzuh

Ramirez = Heinz-Kerry

What a coincidence.

207 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:47:33am

Very OT/

Computer Help needed!

I'm at my wits-end with this problem, perhaps someone could point me in the right direction.

I'll leave a LGF window (actually any internet web page) open for 5 or so minutes without refreshing or switching pages, say, to have a smoke or something. When I come back to it and try and refresh/post/or move to a new web site I get a DNS error. Argh. I've lost many posts this way and can't seem to find the problem. Help!

I'm running Windows XP and have DSL running through a Linksys Rounter. Is it a problem with my ISP, router or computer? Googling the problem has turned up nothing useful. Thanks -

208 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:48:59am
209 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:49:30am

#190 zulubaby;

In northern Uganda we have seen children mutilated and forced to take part in acts of unspeakable crueltyed, lands seized and needless civilian casualties caused by Israel's excessive use of force.


Really? So Israel is responsible for the problems in Uganda? Or is Kofi just fucking illiterate?

No surprise he mentions Israel's "excessive use of force," but doesn't mention Palestinians intentionally blowing up civilians. I guess murdering Jewish/Israeli civilians just isn't excessive.

210 Dublin vs Kerry  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:49:47am

#207 RIP Ford

That problem is all too common.

It's caused by Karl Rove and George W Bush and the Jews

211 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:50:49am

WARNING regarding zombie's post #173:

CONTAINS EXCEEDINGLY UNATTRACTIVE FULL-FRONTAL NUDITY

212 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:50:57am
213 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:51:29am

Wait a minute, he just said he met this woman in March, BURNED the originals, and all he was left with was photocopies.
BUt yesterday on LGF, wasn't it discovered that the .PDF file had a creation date of FEBRUARY 6th, 2004???

I'll go double check the dates from yesterday :oP

214 Glen Wishard  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:52:02am

Occasional Reader:

That would be George Kennedy, of BreathAssure fame.

BreathAssure fame? You mean Thunderbolt and Lightfoot fame!

215 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:52:06am

#210 Dublin vs Kerry

LOL

Those crafty Jews are out to get me, I tell you!

/LLL-ROP

216 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:52:17am

#192 Maine's Michael

"Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations. And world leaders should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause," Bush said.

That is State Department boilerplate. It's time to clean the Arabists out of Foggy Bottom. "End the daily humiliation" sounds like al-Qaeda rhetoric. Bush needs to edit this crap before he reads it in public. The last bit about world leaders will be ignored, and the U.S. will still be viewed the same by Israel-haters.

Those remarks accomplish nothing, excluding the al-Qaeda rhetoric Bush parroted for them. That may gain them some recruits.

217 the_casual_observer  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:52:52am

#141

And what I think is even more ironic is the belief (delusion, perhaps), that any discussion of GWB's NG duty is actually going to move significant votes at this point in time.

Wherever one happens to fall on the issue (if their vote decision is even influenced by something so far removed from their daily life issues), they "fell" long, long ago...and it has been already baked into their view.

They really do need to get a better issue...it just doesn't have motivational significance with the indys I come into contact with.

TCO

218 ronnie schreiber  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:53:02am

Gordon,

Some important numbers to consider:

Texas Air National Guard obligation circa 1966-1973:

300 drill points over 6 years
50 points per year minimum.

Drill points earned by G.W. Bush
1968-1969: 253
1969-1970: 340
1970-1971: 137
1971-1972: 112
1972-1973: 56
1973-1974: 56

Note: GWB was full time active duty for 80 weeks while in basic and flight training.

After his initial training, GWB spent two years of flying and drilling fairly intensively, exceeding his commitment by over 100%. His last two years were hardly stellar, but he met his commitment and got an honorable discharge. Bush isn't running on what he did as a young man. When he was young and irresponsible, he was young and irresponsible. In the case of the TANG, however, he sastified the requirements.

Another important number: 180
The Form 180 that John Kerry won't sign to release his own military records.

219 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:53:05am

I nominate Saddam Hussein for the next Secretary General of the United Nations. It's time for the hypocrites to declare themselves, and stop pretending this organization has any utility.

220 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:53:08am

Oldie DU'ers where are you planning on moving? I can't stay and fight

We must do everything we can to encourage this type of thinking. In fact, tell them it will be too late if they wait until after the elections, the round-ups will begin in October. Dn't bother voting, because the VRWC is going to make sure your vote isn't counted anyway. Get out of America as soon as you can!

We'll need a few volunteers to go to moonbat blogs and blend in long enough to gain credibility, than start pushing the "Don't vote, get out now" warnings. It will be helpful if you come with anecdotes of friends who went to see F911... and suffered mysterious "accidents" on the way home.

221 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:53:53am

#207 RIP Ford

1. open the command prompt and type "ipconfig /release" then type "ipconfig /renew"

2. if that doesn't work turn off your modem for 10 seconds and start it up.

3. if that doesn't work turn off both computer and dsl modem. turn on modem. then turn on comp.

222 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:54:12am

Ronnie Schreiber-


funny thing is Congressman Hinojosa is a dhimmicrap.

223 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:54:58am

#207 RIP Ford

also turn off router when you restart modem.

224 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:55:18am

#221 Globular Cluster

I'll give it a shot. My battered keyboard thanks you too.

225 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:55:44am

#214 Glen Wishard:

Uh, and what was Cool Hand Luke? Chopped liver?

;-)

226 Lewis  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:56:10am

#161 BIG

Bless you, sir, for the link to Kofi Annan's speech

Kofi:

I know this reflects your understanding that in these difficult times, the United Nations is, as you stated four years ago in the Millennium Declaration, the common and indispensable house of the human family.

I'm important. Really! I'm indispensible!!

Indeed, today, more than ever the world needs an effective mechanism through which to seek common solutions to common problems. That is what this organization was created for. Let's not imagine that if we fail to make good use of it, we will find any more effective instrument.

Accept no substitutes! When it comes to effective mechanisms through which to seek common solutions to common problems, only the UN will do*!

*UN solutions not available in Sudan, North Korea, and elsewhere. Void where prohibited. Check your local dictatorship for availability.

227 jlogajan  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:57:48am

#95

Keyser Soze

228 9Iron  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:57:53am

# 211 A.I.

That is what I thought, but the way the media reports it you'd think it was the black Africans trying to drive the Muslims out. I'm trying to research it because it's coming up at a terrorist loving blog, and I don't have the ammo to shoot these loonies out of the sky.

229 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:58:05am

#218 ronnie schreiber - that's been explained to Gordo many times before. He never even tries to refute it, just shows up the next day and repeats his tired, baseless accusation. He's his own special breed of idiot.

230 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:58:13am
231 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:58:52am

#216 beagle;

And world leaders should withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian ruler who fails his people and betrays their cause,"

We know what Bush intends with this but it is subject to a different interpretation if you're an Arab. From the Hamas perspective Arafat failed his people and betrayed their cause by even entering into negotiations with Israel. Should the next leader of Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction, self-declaredly true to the Palestinian cause, be supported by the Europeans?

IIRC, Europe has not changed its position and still distinguishes between "political" and "military" wings of Hamas et. al.

232 FloridaHeat  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:59:00am
After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko’s shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in.

Did anyone check for security cameras in that parking lot? There may be a visual record that will show if Burkett is telling the truth.

233 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:59:13am

Okay I went and checked yesterdays posts for the date.
Burkett says Martinez called him in March to offer him the documents. He received them and burned them (he says), and somehow managed to create a PDF file of the from the prior month:

Created: 2/6/2004 Application: HP PrecisionScan Pro
Modified: 2/6/2004 Format: application/pdf

IS BURKETT A TIME TRAVELLER? :oP

234 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 7:59:53am

burkett to sue cbs

from news max:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

in sum:

Tuesday, Sept. 21, 2004 9:44 a.m. EDT
Lawyer: Burkett to Sue CBS

The former Texas National Guard commander who supplied CBS with forged records on President Bush's National Guard service now plans to sue the network, his former lawyer said Tuesday.

Burkett's one-time attorney, David Van Os, told the New York Sun that his former client had "several meetings with lawyers to determine the best course of action." He said the planned lawsuit would center on what he termed "defamation of character and libel."

235 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:00:45am

@233 monkeyweather

Aha! Definitive proof that Burkett is a Timelord! Now, wonder where he hid his TARDIS?

236 evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:00:49am

WaPo reporter Lucy Shackelford has been on this TANG thing for a long time...

Canadian activist Lucy Watson is a WTO anarchist

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Nick Lucy, a 64-year-old veteran and Democrat, said he was turned away from a May 7 rally in Dubuque, Iowa

Lucy Rounds - anti Bush "author"

Could it be Daglish or Shackelford?
Shackelford as a "reporter" covering this story for a while would have the tools to create the forgeries.

"The national journalists involved in these cases will not "be intimidated into revealing their
confidential sources," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the reporters' committee.
"I think we're setting up a real showdown here."

237 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:00:54am

186 ronnie schreiber

Except that isn't a Republican congressman --he is a DEMOCRAT Congressman.

The poster only CLAIMED it was a "Republican" website because that's what he WANTED it to be.

238 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:01:02am

If we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat it:

1964 - FAB FOUR make big news on CBS

2004 - FBA FOUR make big news on CBS

2044 - ???

239 grayp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:02:17am

#173 zombie

Oh, that is just freakin hilarious! You rock!

American Infidel
That newsmax story is stunning. My i'llbedamned meter hit the red zone

240 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:02:43am

#218 Ronnie Schreiber


So, in six years in the National Guard Bush got 954 drill points instead of the 300 required.

In the logic of the redfascists firendsof theislamofascists demonrats this is reason enough to attack him: how did he dare to violate the rules ?
If the National Guard requires 300 drill points and you get 954 drill points you are CLEARLY in violation !

He was WAY TOO MUCH patriotic, this should be punished.

BUSH DRILL POINTS 954. POINTS REQUIRED : 300.

241 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:02:51am
242 Ann  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:02:56am

I am at work and can't take the time to check the whole thread to ensure that this has not been posted yet:
Message from Michael Moore: Stop the handwringing!

BAWAHAAA!

243 aaron  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:02:57am

BOLO, day two.

This guy

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

is still on the loose, armed with a .30-.30 lever action rifle and intent on killing someone, preferably Bush or Kerry.

blue 1997 Toyota sedan with the New York license plate BRF-6546.
244 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:03:03am

#157

I will not lend my name to continuous slaughter of innocent human beings for mere profit


So DU is now attacking Planned Parenthood? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought they were talking about something els.

245 jaybird  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:03:11am

A recurring theme noted by many in this thread is that Burkett "is obviously the forger." Maybe. But I have doubts. At least insofar as the idea that it is solely Burkett who is behind it all. That would mean that Burkett is the "unimpeachable source" that CBS spent 10+ days doing its best to protect, totally trashing its good name, or what was left of its good name, in the process. That doesn't make sense. Burkett was a known nutjob and Dem hack. It firstly doesn't add up that they would run with the story based only on Burkett's vouching for the documents, and, secondly, if they did, he's the kind of guy that they would've hung out to dry in an instant, and not have waited 10+ days to do it, if he duped them. They *might* have spent a couple of days worring about how stupid they were going to look, but they would've gotten beyond that. It doesn't take 10 days to figure out that looking stupid is better than looking corrupt. No, I suspect that they spent those 10 days trying to figure out how to make Burkett the lone patsy, covering up whatever needed further covering up, so as to continue to protect whoever it is that they are protecting.

Cleland? Maybe. Maybe someone else too. Maybe someone a lot closer to the Kerry campaign. Identity or identities unknown, but whoever it or they are, CBS is deathly afraid of having it disclosed.

246 applesweet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:04:08am

Al-Qaeda for Kerry #62

NO! No! The real Lucy that Burkett is talking about is
the Lucy from Charles Schultz' comic strip 'Peanuts'!!!

247 Mr. Breeze  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:04:18am

Now here is an interesting tidbit from yesterdays thread about the file creation dates.

It was determined that Fox News had a Adobe file that was dated 2-06-2004. On this same date:

[Link: www.enviromedia.com...]

For Immediate Release:
February 6, 2004
For information contact:
Ted Burton, 512-476-4368, ext. 306

Robin Rather Joins EnviroMedia's Growing Research Department
Founding CEO of Mindwave Research named Director of Research

(AUSTIN) - Austin-based Tuerff-Davis EnviroMedia Inc. is teaming with Robin Rather to expand the agency's in-house research department.

"We couldn't be more pleased to have Robin working with us," said Valerie Davis, EnviroMedia co-founder and principal. "It's a huge coup for our clients. Research guides everything we do at EnviroMedia - it's the foundation that supports all of our social marketing campaigns.

New positions mean new computers with up to date software.

Robin Rather=Lucy Ramirez?

248 transient  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:05:46am

#216/231

In context, the statement makes more sense and is less subject to alternative interpretations.
READ before posting.
READ before posting.

249 Tumulus11  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:06:29am

. Trying to locate a 'Lucy Ramirez' in Texas is obviously futile.

She can only be traced through her brother, Juan.

250 sharona  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:06:36am

#120 flenser is absolutely spot-on.

There is no Lucy Ramirez. She doesn't exist, but I will disagree with flenser only as to "Why" Burkett is naming her as his source. "She" is just a means to deflect attention from his true source, which is someone connected to the Kerry campaign, either directly or tangentially.

251 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:06:54am

#231 transient

Good point. The whole thing was written by al-Qaeda and Hamas. The cause of the "Palestinians" is to destroy Israel. I'm sickened by Bush's inability to understand what is going on in Israel / settlements.
The most reasonable interpretation of what he said would be he's advocating the destruction of Israel, to a slightly-more-than casual observer.

Again, Bush needs to clean house at the State Department first, followed by the FBI. We need to get the jihadists out of our government.

252 Bucky Katt  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:06:55am

#189

Lucy Ramirez is Burket's Tyler Durden.

Heck...I thought Lucy Ramirez was Burkett's alter ego when he engages in cross-dressing.


OT- but received some e-mail today about NAS Pensacola. 90% of the building on base have sustained significant damage. Story line and pics here:


NAS Pensacola Suffers Major Damage

253 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:07:00am

Maine's Michael: Please tell me my eyes are lying to me. Still anti-Kerry, but this is an example of the answer to why Jews (misguidedly) vote Democrat.

RIP Ford: Are you using a wireless connection? If so, you may be going in and out on the connection. I've had that problem with my linksys 54g WAP and card. A couple of thoughts:

1. If you are using a 2.4gHz cordless phone, especially if it has gigarange (a Panasonic product), it may interfere with your wireless signal. The newer ones are less likely to do so. I took my older one to the office and got new ones, which solved that problem.

2. If someone nearby also has a wireless network, you may need to WEP enable your network. That seems to have helped me, even though linksys originally advised me not to enable WEP.

3. If you recently upgraded to SP2, this might be of use: [Link: support.microsoft.com...]

This link was helpful: [Link: support.microsoft.com...]

And here's a full listing of tech support knowledge base for wireless link: [Link: search.microsoft.com...]

Ufortunately, calling linksys tech support is very hit-or-miss. Some of them are great, some of them are less than useless. The joys of outsourcing to India!

Good luck.

254 LeftHandedRightMinded  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:07:00am

Can a wife perform the circumcision of her husband?

In principle, it is permissible to circumsize your husband. (Shaami vol.6
pg.382; HM Saeed


So many jokes, so little time...

255 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:07:11am

#235 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Aha! Definitive proof that Burkett is a Timelord! Now, wonder where he hid his TARDIS?

AHA! there's the real connection: Burkett time travels with documents, time travel connected to Einstein, Einstein = jewish - there it is, it was the Jews all along!

256 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:07:34am
We're determined to destroy terror networks wherever they operate, and the United States is grateful to every nation that is helping to seize terrorist assets, track down their operatives, and disrupt their plans. We're determined to end the state sponsorship of terror — and my nation is grateful to all that participated in the liberation of Afghanistan. We're determined to prevent proliferation, and to enforce the demands of the world — and my nation is grateful to the soldiers of many nations who have helped to deliver the Iraqi people from an outlaw dictator.


So if John Kerry would say this (and that's a big "if"), or even George Bush in 2000, the bad guys would say "yada yada yada". After the events of the past 3 years, our tough foriegn policy MAY pay off. I don't think the terrorist will back down and move to time shares in Africa, but any state aiding them should be thinking twice.

257 baldrick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:07:46am
What's most depressing about this controversy is that CBS is getting reamed for attempting to base its reporting on facts, rather than on just recirculating what "some people are saying" about John Kerry, etc. Ironically, it's the fact that CBS at least attempts factual reporting that has gotten it into trouble.

Facts, what facts? The story was based on fake documents. CBS can't have it both ways, either they knowingly used forgeries in their story, or CBS was duped into using them. If CBS chooses option two, what does it say about the "professional" journalists at CBS that they couldn't spot the fakes, but the "pajama-wearing" internet bloggers did? It means the bloggers were the professionals digging into this story, not CBS.

258 Ann  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:08:40am

#241 American Infidel
I see now that the story had been posted!
Both at 10:02! LOL!

259 zenbone  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:08:57am

Comments on Bush's speech at the UN.

There were a lot of things that he said that should have been followed by applause. You could hear a pin drop. He got polite applause at the end of his speech.

One thing he said that I thought was a dogbone was his statement that "Israel should stop the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people".

260 protagonist  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:08:59am

All of this is reminiscent of Alger Hiss and The Pumpkin Papers.

After the fiasco, he was later quoted as saying (paraphrased) "If I life a hundred years, I'll never figure out how Whittaker Chambers broke into my house, used my typrewriter, and put them in that pumpkin."

For a full recount of the story (with all the invective and vitriol it deserves) I refer you to Treason by Ann Coulter.

261 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:09:46am

207 RIP Ford

the first thing i'd check is the DSL "dialer" (yes I know it doesn't dial anything but Windows thinks it does) and make sure you don't have any inactivity settings set up in there. Secondly I'd try unplugging your DSL modem. If that clears it up for a bit it's probably the modem (mine does that at home at leas 2 or 3 times a day).

262 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:09:52am

#231 transient

Telling the "Palestinians" to be peaceful is like telling the Democrats not to cheat and lie. If they wanted peace, they could have it tomorrow.

263 Quilly Mammoth  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:11:07am

"Like a Jew in Germany"? Holy COW!! If it's this bad already in DU what will they do when Bush wins?

Maybe all those body bags ordered by FEMA for Ivan are really for all the crushed and broken bodies of the Moon Bats as they dive to their deaths on November 3rd (how do I make that superscript?:))

264 LanceKates  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:11:22am

#257 BALDRICK

If CBS chooses option two, what does it say about the "professional" journalists at CBS that they couldn't spot the fakes, but the "pajama-wearing" internet bloggers did? It means the bloggers were the professionals digging into this story, not CBS.


Journalism is just opinion anyway... no one is 'unbiased'... so a "Professional Journalist" is just someone who gets paid to give you their opinion.

And the Sheeple believe them without even thinking about it.

Our opinion is just as valid, but because we're not paid to give our opinion, they'd have us believe that ours isn't worth the same as theirs.

And the Sheeple believe them without even thinking about it.

265 FrankNH  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:12:26am

#233 monkeyweather
Make sure that you email ALLAH with this. He's become the point man on the time line and I'm sure he'd appreciate the info, if he doesn't have it already.

266 rastajenk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:13:03am

Lucy Ramirez murdered Selena!

Sorry, I've been reading too much DU recently, so anything goes.

267 Glen Wishard  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:13:31am

#220 - Furious J.

This guy is my favorite. Reminds me of my cat, trying to find a place to hide from a thunderstorm:

Hell, I'm already in Canada and I'm thinking of moving

If those fascist sonsofbitches win another term there may be no place on the continent that's safe from their ravages. The trick is to find a country that's far enough away, small enough not to appear on the hegemonic radar screens, and has NO OIL. I'm thinking New Zealand...
OK, I'm being a bit hyperbolic here, but I will seriously be keeping my eye on you lot, and I'm actually thinking of assembling a getaway kit.
To think that all your noble dreams have come to this is almost unbearable.

What is a Democratic Underground Getaway Kit?

1. Paper bag, full of whatever your girlfriend can steal from her job at the pharmacy

2. Saline solution to treat pierced nipples (might not be readily available in Turkey)

3. Can of Easy-Off Oven Cleaner (all-purpose personal hygiene product)

4. Laxative (to recover BUSH = HITLER buttons after passing through airport security)

5. Spare paper bag, to put over head in case of emergency

268 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:13:32am
269 MasterChief_D  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:13:49am

Burkett is utterly lost in a pathological hatred of G W Bush who he PERSONALLY blames for the assignment he got in the guard to go to central america where he caught some virulent bug. Burkett PERSONALLY blames the President for his medical condition and has been trying to effectivly lash out ever since...if he is not the actual (lying) source of the documents(90% chance he IS the creator) then we need to look at the elderly secretary who is proudly proclaiming Bush was Se-lected not Elected. Sounds like she might need some further investigation.

P.S. Just heard the full account of HOW Burkett claims he recieved the documents...disregard my secretary statement, Burkett is a pathological liar. He made them!!

270 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:14:02am

#33 monkeyweather

Can you tell if the PDF was made from the scan of the documents or from the Word file?

271 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:14:26am
Maybe all those body bags ordered by FEMA for Ivan are really for all the crushed and broken bodies of the Moon Bats as they dive to their deaths on November 3rd

Every SANE person knows that after Bush steals the next election Ashcroft and all his Nazi buddies are going to start rounding up all dissidents and putting them into FEMA camps where they can be either reeducated of dissappeared.

/sarcasm

272 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:14:43am

Quilly Mammoth -- test.

< sup > text < /sup >

Remove spaces

273 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:14:59am

#241/242

Reading Mike Al-Moor's little letter gives me flashbacks to reading DU topics. The "rigged polls," the "hordes of teen voters destined to give Kerry the win," the "only 30% of Americans are Republicans," etc, etc. MM is only one example of the Left trying to rally the troops in the aftermath of the RNC and Rathergate. Reading the man's rant, I can see now why most people compare him to Joseph Goebbels.

274 Gordon  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:10am

#129 Havoc:

Get the book Stealing Elections -- how voter fraud threatens our democracy

Is there a chapter on the infamous Republican Florida tactic of preparing fake felon lists to disqualify likely opposition voters?

Is there a chapter on goon squad intimidation of polling place volunteers in minority precincts?

I thought not...

275 applesweet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:12am

Hey, let's back up. Last night when so many of you lgfers were discussing and comparing the dates on the two different sets of copies from USA Today and CBS, the creative dates were different.
I believe it was [engineer] who said the date on the computer that generated the pdfs with an early creation date had a wrong time setting.
What if that is not the case.
Burkett is purporting he recieved the orginals in MARCH at the Houston LiveStock Show, the date on the pdfs that USA Today recieved have a created date in Feburary. So maybe there are indeed two different copies of the same set of orginals. What if the first copies were indeed made into pdf form on that first scanned date, and then another set was created just before they were given to CBS?
Am I confusing anyone besided myself?

276 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:20am

Here's a couple things to remember. "Dishonesty" isn't actually a crime. (Forging or altering federal documents would be).

So, Burkett has not really committed a "crime" by misleading CBS or even lying to them if he is to be believed that he did not create the documents.

It is the BURDEN of the journalists to verify, authenticate and confirm any information they receive from ANY source.

This is not a defense of Burkett but he does say that he "insisted" that CBS verify the authenticity of the memos before they used them. And, it was their responsibility to do that which they did not.

So CBS claiming they were "misled" doesn't absolve what their responsibility was.

I think Burkett was the one used --it was CBS who contacted him --he did not contact them.

So who told CBS that Burkett had received these documents back in March which led Mapes to contact him?

How did they KNOW it was Burkett who had those "discovered" memos if Burkett did not contact THEM?

277 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:38am

"DaySide with Linda Vester" on Fox said they have some new info. She said C-BS was going to be coming out with a new statement today.

278 Studebaker Hawk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:49am

"Feh. What do I know. I'm just a pajama-wearing white supremacist who lives in my parent's basement. Oops-I'm not white!!! "

That's ok, wong, the evil, racist, right-wing, nazi Republicans are an equal opportunity organization that respects the inherent worth and dignity of all bigots without regard to race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, or sexual orientation.

It's a big tent!

279 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:15:54am
280 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:16:04am

lucy ramirez honored by:


Congressman Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX) was elected to Congress in 1996 and is currently serving his fourth term as the representative of the 15th District of Texas.


[Link: hinojosa.house.gov...]

281 Sir Lurksalot  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:16:26am

It's obvious:

Lucy Ramirez is related to Manny Ramirez, Boston Redsox outfielder.

Manny used to play for the Cleveland Indians. Another former Indian is Jim Thome, currently on the Phillies.

Billy Wagner is on the Phillies, and he is a former Houston Astro. Where is Houston? TEXAS.

Where is Dubya from? TEXAS

Also, don't forget that the biggest Yankee fan is Republican star Giuliani.

Alex Rodriguez (who may be related to the Ramirez clan) was traded to the Yankees this offseason (suspiciously in an election year)

AROD used to be on the Texas Rangers.

Who used to be one of the owners of the Texas Rangers? GEORGE W BUSH!!!

QED

282 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:19:17am

On FOX now:
Kerry camp denied that they had heard of the memos before C-BS report. And now...well, we heard but

LMAO

283 HULUGU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:19:25am

er...i think lucy ramirez is the nomme de guerre of lucy ricardo--she's the illegitimate red headed daughter of one kenneth frequency of the upper east side--and you thought the da vinci code had a convoluted plot

284 vtrtl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:19:53am

OT and way down the thread, but did anyone else watch Kerry on Letterman.

He was awful. Letterman is where you joke around - about yourself... Gore was brilliant on Letterman years ago (before he went barking nuts)...


anyway I thought Kerry was boreing and came across like a prick...

he had precisely two modestly funny lines... he did not let on that he is human or a regular guy at all, and when he talked about bush it seemed nasty. (im fairly parsisan, but I'd like to think I can be objective to some degree)...


anyway, Charles, can we get cocky now?... because this guy is a horrible candidate.

285 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:20:02am

#274 Gordon:

Is there a chapter on goon squad intimidation of polling place volunteers in minority precincts?

Ah, yes. All those three-piece-suited YAFers intimidating voters in Liberty City. Happens all the time.

Gordon, have you read the chapter about how the overwhelming majority of Florida counties that reported voting problems in 2000 were Democratic? Missed that chapter, did you?

286 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:20:05am

#221 Globular Cluster

1. open the command prompt and type "ipconfig /release" then type "ipconfig /renew"

Many heartfelt thanks! That seemed to have done the trick.


#253 mommydoc

Thanks for the links, and yes, I hate dealing with India on my sudent loans as well.


#261 beblebrox

I'll save all of these tips for future reference in case this fix is not working like I think it is. Many thanks to you as well.

You guys are awesome!

287 rosh  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:20:56am

#153 Joseph
I also read that and just looked it up. Here it is on Aish It was "his producer" who had no clue.

I met his CBS producer at a building in Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter that overlooks the Temple Mount where she wished to film from. We proceeded up to the roof which afforded a masterful view of the centerpiece of the Old City. Sprawled out in front of us was the Temple Mount.

As we stood side-by-side taking in the extraordinary view, the producer turned to me and said in a sort of apologetic tone, "You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but what exactly are we looking at?"

My stomach instantly dropped. Maybe she was unsure of a specific building?

"No, what is this entire area we are looking at?"

I controlled myself and began my first history lesson to a national news producer. As I went through these historic points, the producer was taking furious notes on her yellow writing pad.

A few minutes later, Dan Rather arrived. He climbed the stairs to join us on the roof. As he reached the top stair, he looked out at the view that was spread before him. "Oh, I've been here before," he said. Then, looking at his producer, he quietly asked, "What is this that we're looking at?"

The producer read the notes on her yellow pad, filling Mr. Rather in on all the details of the place in front of them. During the film shoot, Rather held this same yellow pad of paper in his hand, reading from it on air. So much for in-depth research and media accuracy.

288 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:21:37am

OT

I just found a photo of 2 F-102 interceptors taking off from Ellington Field, Houston, TX.

S/N 56-1067 and 56-1018 of the 111 Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Texas Air National Guard.


Quick, does anybody know if 1LT Bush is flying one of those?

289 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:22:09am

#228 9Iron

A friend of mine has a blog and she has extensive documentation about the genocide in Sudan. Unfortunately, her site has been under attack and can now only be viewed by members. Here is a link to her site and the Sudan chronicals. If you have a valid email address, I would reccommend signing up.

290 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:22:33am
Is there a chapter on the infamous Republican Florida tactic of preparing fake felon lists to disqualify likely opposition voters?

Is there a chapter on goon squad intimidation of polling place volunteers in minority precincts?

No, Gordo, it's a non-fiction book.

291 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:23:08am
292 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:24:00am

RIP Ford,

I'll save all of these tips for future reference in case this fix is not working like I think it is.

So you blew off all that technical crap and just smacked it like I suggested huh? ;-)

293 Colt  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:25:29am
294 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:26:23am

Oh, for the good old days when a nice WASP name like Sumner Redstone just oozed conservative Republican. ;-)

Probably a self-hating Jew who changed his name from Samuel Rosenzweig.

295 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:26:31am

It gets even better --Burkett is going to sue CBS for defamantion.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

296 McKie of BuSab  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:26:40am

OT

There's a story on BBC news (Radio 4) at the moment about a shipload of weapons grade nuclear material that is now travelling on a British ship from the US to France for reprocessing. Is this being reported on the radio just stupidity or is it a honey pot trap for terrorists.


Really really OT,
The radio series of "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" returns to radio 4 in a few minutes.
Radio four

297 ronnie schreiber  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:26:55am

#251 Beagle

Sorry, the President's comments about Israel were the 'obligatory critical comments about Israel to provide balance', and he made a de minimus effort at that. The speech was highly critical of the Palestinians and their leaders so he had to say something critical about Israel. Note how he said not a word about the fence/wall, the policy of incursion and assassination or other aspects of Israeli security policy.

Yeah, there's the boilerplate about not expanding settlements, and he briefly mentioned the 'road map', but you have to remember that this has been US policy for a long time.

298 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:27:08am
Is there a chapter on goon squad intimidation of polling place volunteers in minority precincts?

Ummm...Gord, What color is the sky in your world?

299 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:27:31am

274 Gordon

Why don't you run outside and go play on the freeway for awhile?

300 Jefe  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:28:57am

#284 vtrtl

Gore was brilliant on Letterman years ago (before he went barking nuts)...

I also thought Gore was great on Futurama, just before he went barking nuts, as leader of the Vice Presidential Power Rangers. I don't remember him breathing fire in that episode.

301 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:29:07am
So you blew off all that technical crap and just smacked it like I suggested huh? ;-)

actually all repairs can be solved by the following line of reasoning:

1: did it come apart? Apply Duct Tape.
2: does it need to come apart? Apply ball peen hammer.
3: problem is none of the above? Replace it.

303 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:29:20am

#292 Geepers

So you blew off all that technical crap and just smacked it like I suggested huh

:P

I've been trying that for several months along with cussing and yelling at the computer. Surprisingly, that did not seem to work. I was just about to pull out my fixin' rock when I thought to ask the LGF crew. :)

304 LeftHandedRightMinded  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:30:08am

I agree...Kerry was awful on David Letterman. The fact that he even went on there confuses me. Democrats complain that the Republicans have made Kerry a "caricature" and when he has a chance to maybe show he's a "real" person, all he does is slam Bush. NOT amusing at all.

305 Furious J  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:30:53am
Ummm...Gord, What color is the sky in your world?

Whatever the DNC talking points say it is, apparently.

306 9Iron  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:31:17am

268 AI and 289 BIG

Both links look like just what I was looking for. I am so sick of getting the sanatized version of whats really going on. At this point there are only a few sites that will call a spade a spade, and this is definitely one of them!

307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:31:56am

#301 beblebrox

You forgot one.

4. And if it's not broke, it just needs MORE POWER!

308 Michael Moore's Dromedary  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:32:15am

#295 Nancy

Quick draw McGraw!!!

So sad...

309 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:32:16am

#296 McKie of BuSab

HHTTG:

OH WOW OH WOW HO WOW!! Thank you, you made my week.

310 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:33:45am

OT

Although being affected bu southwesat shear, the low level circulation of the former Category 5 (910 mb) Hurricane Ivan, now just a 1008 mb shadow of its old self, is starting to generate thunderstorms near its center.


A couple of the meteorologists at AccuWeather.com think that once the upper low over the Central Gulf backs southwest and induces a short wave anticyclone over the low, and it moves west into the almost 32C/90F Gulf waters off Texas and western Louisiana unaffected by Hurricane Ivan*, it will rapidly develop, perhaps to a 60 mph tropical storm. Whether it would be named "Ivan" or "Matthew" is a great mysetery which won't be known unless/until it does develop.

* I checked my Navy Sea Systems Satellite Derived Sea Surface Temperature web page, and Ivan really did a number on the Gulf south of Alabama and Florida. SSTs that were near 31C are now about 26C, marginal for tropical cyclone development. Amazing what 150 mph winds churning up 50 foot waves will do, considering the depth of water warmer than 26C is only 25 to 75 meters deep in much of the Gulf of Mexico.

311 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:34:08am

Charles or anyone else...

Has anyone looked at the oldest PDF files available of the documents to determine how they were made? If the PDF's are clear with no "artifacts" from scanning, each sentence perfectly lined up with edges and lines of type are all horizontal, then the PDF's may have been made directly from the Word documents.

How is the date verification going?

312 HULUGU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:34:08am

imus said this morning that kerry's two main future objectives should be to stay married to the bazillionaire ketchup colonialist and to get re-elected as senator from massachusetts--this disingenuous prick has blown it big time--he's got the clinton talking heads pimping him on letterman and regis--he's gonna lose NEW JERSEY fer christ's sake--bush is even with him in this morning's new jersey poll --btw where is the frat boy edwards--he's disappeared into non personhood--3 to 1 his wife doesn't even fuck him anymore--what a keystone cops campaign!!

313 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:34:42am

#292 Geepers

Loading up my work email from a friend's connection-- looking foward to Thursday. Pending my niece's tennis match, I shouldn't be to long but may run a little late.

Big hello to Charles and the other lizards! It's nice to be home!

314 Security Mom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:35:10am
*UN solutions not available in Sudan, North Korea, and elsewhere. Void where prohibited. Check your local dictatorship for availability.

LOL

315 NDMNTX  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:35:10am

slightly OT... got this in an e-mail today... it's a new
take on an old joke:
Working people frequently ask retired people what they do to make their days interesting.

I went into a store the other day. I was only in there for about 5 minutes. When I came out, there was a city cop writing out a parking ticket. I went up to him and said, "Come on, buddy. How about giving a senior citizen a break?"

He ignored me and continued writing the ticket.

I called him a name. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn tires. So, I called him a worse name. He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started
writing a third ticket. This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I abused him, the more tickets he wrote.

I didn't care. My car was parked around the corner. and this one had an "Elect John Kerry" sticker on it.

I try to have a little fun each day now that I'm retired. It is so important at our age.

316 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:35:56am

if anyone knows porteguese...here is another lucy ramirez...will the real lucy standup


CNCS Forum de Discussão
Membros Registados
Perfile Para lucy ramirez



Nome do Usuário: lucy ramirez
Situação: Member
Nível:
Data de Registo: Segunda, Agosto 11, 2003 @ 22:08
Email: Click here to email lucy ramirez
Website: http://
Numero do ICQ:
Mensageiro AOL:
Mensageiro MSN:
Mensageiro Yahoo:
Localização:
Ocupação: medica
Interesse: criancas, orfaos, transmissao vertical
Últimas Mensagens
Numero Total de Mensagens:

Opção Administrativa
Nível do Uruário | Situação do Usuário | Editar Usuário | Apagar Usuário
Contacte-nos | CNCS website

Powered by CuteCast Version 1.2
Copyright © 2001-2002 ArtsCore Studios

317 Felipe  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:36:38am

what code do you use to make superscripts?

318 NDMNTX  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:01am

Hulugu - I used to think Imus was humorous until I heard him ranting on Cheney and sticking up for Kerry. At that point, I lost all respect for him.

319 Paul  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:07am

Hulugu, #312

where is the frat boy edwards

Apparently he's representing Mr Burkett in his suit against CBS.

320 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:24am

#317 Felipe

Check out post #272 from Beagle.

321 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:27am

Simply out of box thinking here...

Burkett went on TV with Rather, had no problem telling his story, has made a number of other public statements, has had no problem there.

And now he is going to sue CBS?

Maybe because CBS said here's the deal. You take the fall, the buck stops with you, you sue us and make of with a bit of money... all's well.

Walter in Denver

322 beblebrox  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:30am
4. And if it's not broke, it just needs MORE POWER!

How could I forget the Scotty gambit!!

/smacking my forehead

323 Roger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:42am

According to Burkett, he 'aged' the documents and then destroyed the forensic evidence of the originals. You can't get a much more reliable/unimpeachable source than that.


P.S. In all seriousness, how did Rather coincidently place hiimself at the railroad tracks above the so-called grassy knoll at the time President Kennedy was shot? Why was he anywhere near the location of the assassination? A newsman would be at point A or B; start or destination of motorcade trip for access to the President. Why? And is Rather even truthful about where he was that day and time?

324 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:38:59am

#265 FrankNH - Make sure that you email ALLAH with this. He's become the point man on the time line and I'm sure he'd appreciate the info, if he doesn't have it already.

DONE! :o)

#270 B0Z
Can you tell if the PDF was made from the scan of the documents or from the Word file?

the dates I typed in were simply copied and pasted from yesterdays thread about the PDF dates. All I know to do to check this yourself is right click the file and go to properties :o)

325 Felipe  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:39:24am

thanks

326 Moses Cleaveland  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:39:28am

Way late O/T

Slap on the wrist for Damra, so far

Let's hope he gets a bitch slap in the slammer.

327 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:42:11am

# 246 applesweet:

The real Lucy that Burkett is talking about is

You blockhead! / L. van Pelt

328 vtrtl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:43:02am

In that respect (sense of humor) Gore was a better candidate than Kerry...


Kerry has all of Gore's liabilities and none of his charm.

And Gore was a man of somewhat limited charm.

Assholes like Kerry are un-electable in national american politics.

The last real prick we elected was Nixon (I mean guy whose public persona was one of being a prick).

Almost all of the presidents of the Post WWII era have been charming in soe way... Eisenhower, Kenedy, Carter Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush... all of them were "human," decent, not pompous...

Kerry just does not have that touch. He comes across like a bad tipper who sends his steak back 3/4 eaten and proclaims that it was overcooked and he's not paying for it.

329 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:43:45am

My # 327: Don't know what happend to the rest of the quote, so, nevermind.

330 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:43:57am
332 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:45:06am

Hey Buckeye Abroad,

How's the vacation so far?

*** Lizardoid Minions Unite ***

We're planning a meet up in Columbus this Thursday, Check for details at LGFOhio.

333 HULUGU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:45:07am

sumner redstone's real name is sumner murray rothstein--you do the math--a real jewish waspirant

334 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:47:14am

OT

New film coming out it's called "Michael Moore Hates America" This is the trailer of the film.


[Link: www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com...]

335 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:47:23am

#220 Furios J: I agree with you. I'll send the secret signal via carrier pigeon and cloud formation to VRWC HQ notifying them to start buying airplane tix for the DUers who wish to leave.

#234 dustyroadguy: Burkett is going to sue? What will his claim be? "Our Conspiracy Fell Apart and Now My Feelings Are Hurt"? Is that a cause of action in Texas?


Much earlier I posted a comment comparing "Lucy Ramirez" to the mythical Chupacabra, alternately viewed as a prehistoric animal or space alien, which primitive Mexican villagers would blame for goat slayings/disappearances.
I thought it was sheep.
It was goats.
I was wrong.
But unlike MSM, I immediately admit my mistakes.

336 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:47:47am

OT: Has Kerry ever said anything this bad on Israel?

From Bush's speech in front of the UN today:

"Even after the setbacks and frustrations of recent
months, goodwill and hard effort can achieve the
promise of the roadmap to peace.

Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle
unauthorised outposts, end the daily humiliation of
the Palestinian people and avoid any actions that
prejudice final negotiations."

337 HULUGU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:48:28am

...and bernard goldberg [whose real name is bernard goldberg] is kvelling today

338 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:48:44am

Kerry to hold a news conference in an hour and answer reporter's questions.

339 RepJ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:49:57am

#103 Ed moran

Farrah Fawcett is from Corpus Christi.

340 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:50:20am
341 Sharon not Ariel  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:50:50am

OT
I'm emailing with an "undecided" and he is on the "Where was Bush during those National Guard weeks" rant.
I've told him that Bush never claimed to be a hero, but, unlike Kerry, he has grown up and changed. And he has admitted that his behavior in his younger days was less than stellar. Now he wants me to PROVE that Bush said that. I could have sworn that I've read comments that Bush made similar to that somewhere. Can someone find me back up for my argument?

Thanks

342 Luigi  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:51:38am

The formidable Bat Ye'or is the subject of a FrontPage interview today:

France and the rest of Western Europe cannot change their policy anymore. Their future is Eurabia

343 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:52:30am

#338 glwing: "Press" Conferences are no longer legitimate unless the blogosphere is represented. Charles, or Glenn, or Hindrocket, or *somebody* from blog world has to be there to. MSM has lost its authoriTAY.

344 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:52:47am

transient (#209)

There is no mention of the Palestinians in Kofi's speech. Scumbag.

345 add925  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:53:33am

I was preaching a focus on Viacom/Sumner Redstone in other blogs on LGF.

Now this today: [Link: www.nysun.com...]

It is not enogh to focus on CBS News...onward & upward.

WarriorsPJ

346 justdanny  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:53:44am

justdanny is offline 2pm to 8pm e.s.t. mon. thru mon.

Ya'll have a good day now hear.

347 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:53:44am

This isn't the Lucy Ramirez you're looking for /jedi mind trick

Yeah, but if you do Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, you might find her /Beatles

Hey Lucy, I'm home /Desi

Okay, here's another question - is Lucy Ramirez this scandal's Deep Throat?

348 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:54:50am

#344 zulubaby
Wait, according to Tuh-Ray-Zuh WE are scumbags.
Have to come up with a new horrible adjective for Kofi :oP

349 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:55:01am

#343 Sergio

That is why it was a last minute decision---no time for Charles to get there ;)

350 alegrias  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:56:07am

Have Woodward & Bernstein chimed in yet? Talk about dejavu all over again.

The WaPo could use a little shot in the circulation arm right about now.

351 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:56:21am

#297 ronnie schreiber

I agree, but we need to polish the rhetoric so he sounds less like Osama bin Laden.

352 thepoguemahone  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:56:49am

OT - but did anyone see Treebeard on Letterman

NEW YORK - Democrat John Kerry joked Monday on “The Late Show with David Letterman” about changes under President Bush’s tax plan, including that Vice President Dick Cheney can claim the president as a dependent.

He also read the famous Top Ten List -

um - didn't Howard Scream show up at the same venue during his recent implosion in the primaries?


and as a personal note - I'd like to thank Dan Rather for making what looked like a pretty sure thing for Bush into what will be an ass whoopin of Mondalesque proportions in November

353 freedomsound  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:57:44am

#344 zulubaby

There is no mention of the Palestinians in Kofi's speech.

I'm not real happy with Bush's choice of words:

"Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations," Bush said.

354 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:58:00am

I downloaded the PDF's again from CBS and checked the properties. The creation date says "2/6/2004 11:24:48 AM". These documents were scanned wirh an HP ScanJet and converted to a PDF with HP's PrecisionScan Pro application. I thought Burkett got the documents in March?

355 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:58:26am

monkeyweather, I'll think of something ;-)

356 Desso Studios  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 8:59:08am

But wasn't Cinton a cigar fan?

in response to "Dayside" on FOX where THE JUDGE says the massive suit against Big Tobacco is because of a line item in a Clinton signed budget.

357 Cheko  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:00:33am

Heheheeh... just gave the daily Kough another simpathy/pitty click... maybe after he's done demeaning himself he will get some real clothes, and a job... and stop making the pajamarines look bad ;)

358 pkok  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:01:34am

Look. This whole thing about "Not obeying an order to take his physical" is a red herring. People keep apologizing for this "little picadillo of impetuousness (what was he thinking, anyway!) of Lt. GW Bush. It has itself taken on the character of "fake but true." Folks, its a red herring...

I was in the U.S.N.R. during the same period Bush was in the Guard. I, too, was a pilot. Every pilot in every Service was "required" to take the same "Annual Flight Physical" in order to maintain his "active flying status". It was automatic. You might or might not be "memo-ed" about it being due by your Admin., depending on their efficiency. But every pilot knew when his physical was due. If a pilot was being transferred into a non-flying billet (yes, we use that name in the Navy, too,) there was no longer a need for him to get that same "Annual Flight Physical". It was very common to not take a flight physical in that case. It was never, ever considered "disobedience of an order." Bush had requested a transfer to a non-flying billet with assurances that he would get it, and skipped the physical. "Didn't waste THAT time." A non-event.

And regarding Bush's "cushy" TANG Service- I served two tours in Nam as a pilot aboard carriers. I had over three-hundred carrier landings, in all weather conditions, half at night. And I can say without a doubt GW was far greater at risk than I ever was everytime he strapped that F-102 to his back! "Discovery" I think, does a wonderful series on "Flying in Time" which includes a program on the 102. This was not an airplane for "Girlie-Men."

And for those of you who would point out that I am USN "Reserve", be advised that I entered directly into Active Duty and remained active for 7 1/2 years. As a pilot.

359 Sergio  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:02:23am

Yowza, I just read the Bat Yeor interview. Can anybody tell me, again, why we still have NATO? There is no alliance between the US and western Europe (with the exception, at least for now, of Italy). There just isn't. So why are we still paying for NATO?

360 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:03:09am

#353

"not real happy"?

That's generous.

Bush is a sell-out.

/Kahanists for Kerry

361 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:03:51am

HULUGU: LOL! Did I call it? And I was too lazy to do any looking.

I am ashamed of some of my co-religionists these days.

362 mr. beamish  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:05:07am
363 phil  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:05:09am

OT: Dennis Prager is destroying the Kerry Doctrine on today's show.

A must listen.

Fire-up that Windows Media Player:

http://www2.krla870.com/listen/

364 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:05:22am

freedomsound, very disappointing, I know.

US President George W. Bush on Tuesday urged Israel to freeze settlements and dismantle unauthorized outposts in the West Bank, while telling Palestinian rulers to abandon ties to terrorist groups.

Is hell scheduled to freeze over? Who knew.

365 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:06:50am

#358 pkok

Thank you for your service to our country.

Sli

366 Purple Fury  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:08:45am

#358 pkok

There you go, bringing facts into it again.

BUSH WAS AWOL!

BUSH = HITLER!

BUSH = SMIRKING CHIMP!

NO BLOOD FOR OIL!

US OUT OF VIETNAM!

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!

MICHELLE MALKIN JUST STOP TALKIN!

HALLIBURTON! AND, AND...AND HALLIBURTON!

That's it, I'm moving to France.

/LLL

367 holygoat  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:11:12am

It's getting really ugly, now.

Here's what the Father of Mary Mapes had to say in an interview with KVI in Seattle:

But Mapes' father sees a political agenda behind his daughter's work. Don Mapes, 76, was a recent guest on a radio talk show hosted by John Carlson on KVI in Seattle.

He said, "I'm really ashamed of what my daughter has become. She's a typical liberal. She went into journalism with an ax to grind, and that was to promote radical feminism."

He confessed to being disappointed in his daughter's role in the controversy. He said, "When I heard about 60 Minutes, I suspected she would be the producer of the show."

In an interview with Talon News, Don Mapes said his suspicion was because that he believed, "Dan Rather and she have been working on this ever since Bush was elected."

In commenting on the Wednesday's 60 Minutes show, he said, "It was a farce, it was fraud. I'm sorry as a father that my daughter was the producer of it."

His fatherly instinct showed through when he said, "To give her the benefit of the doubt, I believe she has been had."

But he also chastised his daughter for being intellectually dishonest.

He said, "She ought to look closer at George Soros or Michael Moore."

Ouch.

368 MasterChief_D  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:11:16am

Who is Lucy Ramirez?
Simple, a figment of Burkett's sad imagination. After hearing Burkett's Bulls**t statement about how he supposedly recieved these documents I CANNOT BELIEVE he is being taken seriously. This man has not even a SHRED of credibility. And now the links to the DNC and even the Kerry campaign are being uncovered. Lucy Ramirez is just another name he's throwing around, I guess he's feeling some "pressure"!! LOL!!!

369 BingoBunny  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:12:21am

Lockheart says burkett made some good points when they talked,after CBS sent him to the Kerry campaign. MoonBats rejoice no matter how mixed up your lives get Kerry operatives will find the meaning there..

370 applesweet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:12:38am

RickZ #329

Well I was just going to rejoin in that Van Pelt's response is all teeth anyway.


/Lucy

371 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:14:01am

A reminder of why we liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein. This is the regime the "liberals" wanted us to leave in place.

"Ahmad was Uday's chief executioner. Last week, as Iraqis celebrated the death of his former boss and his equally savage younger brother Qusay, he nervously revealed a hideous story. His instructions that day in 1999 were to arrest the two 19-year-olds on the campus of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts and deliver them at Radwaniyah. On arrival at the sprawling compound, he was directed to a farm where he found a large cage. Inside, two lions waited. They belonged to Uday. Guards took the two young men from the car and opened the cage door. One of the victims collapsed in terror as they were dragged, screaming and shouting, to meet their fate. Ahmad watched as the students frantically looked for a way of escape. There was none. The lions pounced. 'I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite and then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men. By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh,' he recalled last week."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

And many more accounts of his atrocities. Puts the Naked Twister games into perspective, doesn't it?

More

372 LanceKates  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:14:28am

[police siren]

[stopped car, turn key, roll down window]

Is there a problem officer?

Sir, do you know how fast you were driving?

[raising an eyebrow]
But officer, I wasn't driving ... it was Luzy Ramirez!


... ok. you can go.

[rolling up window, pulling away]
...sucker. he bought it.

373 zenbone  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:15:27am

#354 zulubaby

These guys and gals have the whole palestine thingy figured out.

If only the bad guys would stop this whole apartheid thing…

Note the Jewish names in the document.

BTW, Shanah Tova!

374 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:15:30am

WHAT's THE CREATE DATE OF THE .docs.fba ?? ISN'T IT CLOSE TO THE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE? I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CRYSTAL BALLS.

.see it here


Bush's AWOL Lies:
Famous Last Words!

Bob Fertik

February 5, 2004 (with subsequent updates)

[Link: democrats.com...]

It's sublime to watch Bush & Co. lie about something as simple as whether Bush went AWOL or not in 1972.

The facts are clear: with two full years of flying duty remaining, Bush "cleared this base" (Ellington AFB in Houston) on May 15, 1972. After that, he never reported for another drill. He disobeyed specific orders, was legally AWOL, and legally a deserter.

Of course he was never prosecuted, because his name is Bush. But that doesn't change the facts.

Bush could easily put this issue to rest by releasing his full military records, as Democrats.com and Senators Kerrey, Inouye, and Cleland called for in 2000. He could also find eyewitnesses who saw him performing his duty either in Alabama in 1972 (see "The Turnipseed File," Appendix A) or in Texas in 1973. We know he has looked; his failure to find a single eyewitness is the ultimate indictment.

(I bolded the next paragraph)

Sooner or later, irrefutable proof will emerge that Bush never attended a drill after May 1972. And when that proof emerges, all of the denials below will be exposed as pure lies.

. . . the article continues.

375 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:16:24am
376 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:17:19am

#367 holygoat

Wow! Great catch.

377 zulubaby  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:17:44am

I haven't seen the video of the latest beheading but listening to Prager describe it is horrific enough. My G-d.

378 Scotsilv  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:18:27am

This "Lucy Ramirez" story smells of alcoholic confabulation.

What, exactly, were those "seizures" during the Rather interview?

379 scotsilv  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:19:42am

alcoholic confabulation

Patients often attempt to hide their poor memory by confabulating. The patient will create detailed, believable stories about experiences or situations to cover gaps in memory. This is not usually a deliberate attempt to deceive because the patient often believes what he is saying to be true. It can occur whether or not the thiamine deficiency was related to alcoholism and with other types of brain damage.

380 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:20:57am

New York Sun story quoting Burkett's former lawyer says Burkett was given the documents by a man!

Burkett Readying Suit Against Network

Mr. Van Os described Mr. Burkett as a struggling rancher — and frequent Bush administration critic— who received a phone call one night in late February, after an appearance on the MSNBC show “Hardball” in which he was critical of Bush administration policies.

    The caller asked Mr. Burkett to go to Houston to view “some important paperwork” detailing Mr. Bush’s record of service in the National Guard.

    Mr. Burkett told the caller, whom Mr. Van Os identified only as “a Texas man with Air National Guard experience,” that he would not go to Houston for that but would be in the city March 4 for the Simmental cattle show, said Mr. Van Os.

    At the show, a man approached the booth manned by Mr. Burkett and gave him a manila envelope with the now-controversial documents in it.

Lucy Ramirez is A MAN, BABY!
/Austin Powers

381 freedomsound  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:21:41am

#364 zulubaby

Yeah, I know it is diplo-speak, but still disappointing nonetheless. Anyway...

In other news, Israel says US will sell it 5,000 smart bombs.

Somehow I don't think these are meant for dealing with Hamas "activists."

382 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:22:13am
383 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:22:14am

Bush gave a very tough speech at the UN this morning. :-))). And they sat there and fumed. He brought up the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the rights of women [yay!], the right to participate in your own government, etc., etc. A whole laundry list of rights our muslim friends are violating on a regular basis.

Ahhh, you never saw such sulking and pouting. If their lower lips were stuck out any farther, they'd trip on 'em. Good old George didn't back down on anything. Stoutly defended the overthrow of Hussein's putrid, evil regime.

Now, imagine how Nuancy Boy would've handled it. He would have thought the point of the whole exercise is for him, John Kerry, to ingratiate himself with his foreign friends and show them how sophisticated he is. How different he is from his crude constituents! who would, of course, be left outside the manse looking in. After all, Kerry's chief aim in life is to increase his personal glory.

I would say to our President, certain people, if you piss them off, you Must be doing something right.

/chortle

384 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:22:47am

Lady of Shalott (ylreveb) Great, if horrifying, link. Does put Abu Ghraib into perspective, doesn't it, and does raise the question I have continued to have about how one "breaks" a prisoner and makes him talk, when he has been so hardened by viewing or participating in such acts. The problem is that we judge our soldiers' actions by our standards for behavior, instead of by Iraqi standards, which may actually not be reasonable in this case, honorable though it may be.

"Most afternoons, among the market stalls leading to the old city of Najaf young men set up TV sets in the street showing grotesque scenes of cruelty. Handcuffed prisoners are executed with sticks of dynamite shoved into their pockets. Screaming men plead for their lives as they are beaten by Saddam Hussein's secret police. Crimson fragments of bodies lie in the street, moments after a huge explosion, to the soundtrack of an Arab lament. The crowds gather round. People mutter and shake their heads. Then they queue to pay 1,000 Iraqi dinars (about 33p) [50 cents] for laser discs containing footage of the appalling scenes. These are the atrocity discs of Iraq, a booming mini-industry in a country still stricken by the consequences of the war. They are produced in home factories, with the simplest computer equipment."

Given that this is a booming industry after Saddam is deposed, one must consider whether these people are capable of democratic rule, or too bloodthirsty and aggressive to be ruled by anything but an authoritarian. I suppose, OTOH, they may be lining up to buy these discs to remind themselves of what they have been liberated from. One can hope.

385 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:23:31am

#374 RWW

The creation date of the PDF files is 2/6/2004 11:24:48 AM

386 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:14am

Oh, I should have credited The Creator Of Worlds in #380.

387 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:27am

I landed on an aircraft carrier twice.


OK, I wasn't piloting either time, and second time I was a passenger in a SH-3H Sea King helicopter, which doesn't even have a tailhook.

The first time was on a C-2A Greyhound COD, I was in one of the back seats, facing backwards.


I have have been drunk on an aircraft carrier (having previously assumed that state while on dry land), and on three different occasions consumed 2 cans of beer, provided at taxpayer expense, while onboard said aircraft carrier.

Speaking of being a passenger in an aircraft, and flying, there was an airline called PSA that no longer exists, that had "businessman specials", with free booze, and I managed to down 4 free beers in the one hour flight from OAK to SAN.

Another time, I got drunk with some pilots from HelAntiSubRon 4, and one of them was named "Mr. Hermann", and I don't know why, but after a few dozen drinks I thought it was really funny to do my "paging Mr. Hermann, Mr. P.W. Hermann" thing. HS-4 also had a pilot who lost his sister in the Challenger disaster.

388 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:30am

#374 RWW
Yeah, well if the date of the pdf files was Feb. 6th, then makes sense that more than just Burkett knew about their "existence".

Just curious here, do you remember a couple of weeks ago when the Kerry Kampf announced that their next plan of attack was titled "fortunate son"? That would RATHER imply that they also knew all about the "story" that CBS was about to break.

See now I remember that was big headlines, and it was big headlines BEFORE the CBS story broke.

*sigh* the Democrats are running out of balloons for us to pop :oP

389 scotsilv  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:45am

#371 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Lady,

Leftists have no trouble with this. After all, teh animals are getting a nutritous meal! What's there to complain about?

390 JWarrior  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:47am

Fox says that Al Jazeera is reporting that the second US hostage in Iraq has been killed.

391 ChuckC  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:24:56am

OT: Fox News

2nd American hostage murdered in Iraq

392 Banagor  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:25:00am

OT:

I posted yesterday that I had 5 invites to Gmail (Google Mail) accounts for Lizaroids.

Well, I have another 5 left (after giving some out yesterday).

Any Lizaroid who wants to get one (1 gig email, really nice functionality, free, etc...), just email me at banagor@gmail.com and send me your screen name here and I will send you the invite in return.

Oh and I just posted another essay on my site. Enjoy. :)

393 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:25:23am

Just said second US hostage killed

394 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:25:25am

OT: excellent Telegraph editorial on Iraq. I read the first word as French instead of fresh. Either way it makes sense, but I need new contacts.

Fresh hostilities don't alter the justice of deposing Saddam
By John Keegan
(Filed: 21/09/2004)

The Prime Minister admitted on Sunday that British forces in Iraq are involved in a new war. Last week Gen Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of the General Staff, described current military operations in the country as a counter-insurgency. Yesterday Iyad Allawi, Iraq's interim prime minister, identified the enemies of law and order as former supporters of the Saddam regime, Islamic infiltrators from outside the country and common criminals seizing their opportunity...


...Documents leaked last week to The Telegraph from inside the Foreign Office compound the Prime Minister's Iraqi problem. They suggest that Downing Street was warned of post-war turmoil, perhaps persisting for a long time, and that the Foreign Secretary expressed his concern at Western unreadiness to impose a settlement.

The Prime Minister's opponents, particularly within his own and the Liberal Democrat parties, are already exploiting the embarrassment caused to undermine his Iraqi policy and denounce his continuing support for President Bush's determination to see the Iraqi interventions through to a satisfactory conclusion.

It is difficult to understand the motives of those who are making life difficult for the Prime Minister. Some are legalists who continue to insist that the war was launched without justification in international law and wish to punish those responsible for their transgressions.

They belong to that tiresome but increasingly numerous tribe who seem to think that men are made for laws and not laws for men. In any case, their arguments are contested, since many (including the Attorney General) hold that UN Resolutions 678, 687 and 1441 do in fact provide justification for the taking of military action against Saddam.

Yes, it's the BDS tribe. The power-brokers were getting fat off oil-for-bribery, and now they are upset. Kofi Annan is the crook in chief.

395 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:29:16am

#378 scotsilv

What, exactly, were those "seizures" during the Rather interview?

Not to mention his nose, a cross between Tip O'Neill and Teddy Kennedy. I don't know the term for 'major alcoholic nose' but Burkett has one.

---

All terrorists, especially al-Zarqawi, must die. Take the gloves off before Nov. 2nd, GWB.

396 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:29:23am

383

"Good old George didn't back down on anything."

Hmm...

Anyway...

Where's the "Bush Sacrifices Israel to UN" thread?

397 Midwest Pundit  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:29:28am

6 Degreee to Lucy Ramirez:


John F'n Kerry to Joe Lockhart

Joe Lockhart to Mary Mapes

Mary Mapes to Dan Rather

Dan Rather to Bill Burkett

Bill Burkett Lucy Ramirez


Who the hell is Lucy Ramirez???

398 Erik144  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:29:52am

I just wanted to say it: I think Burkett is lying about the "Lisa".

I have been studying faces for years, in an effort to tell when people are lying. I am not particularly good at it, but I know that some people are 99% accurate.

However, looking at the Rather/Burkett interview, when Rather asks: "Have you forged anything" Burkett looks guilty as hell when he freezes his face, blinks, and says "no".

I maybe wrong, but based on my experience, I think he was lying with that answer. What did you guys think of his reaction?

399 Havoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:29:59am

#274 Gordon

You are such a flaming A$$hole.

Evidence Gordon ?

Oh, I'm shocked, just Shocked, there is NONE.

Florida was crawling, flooded to overflowing with Democratic attorneys AFTER the election. Florida had a Democratic ATTORNEY general During and AFTER the election. Florida had a Packed state Supreme Court With sympathetic Democrats. Janet Reno was US Attorney General for another 10 weeks. Gore's Campaign manager John Daly, which caused long count Florida, is the son of Chicago Mayor Richard Daly I, and brother of Chicago Mayor, Richard Daly II, all attorneys.
If ANYONE could spot vote tampering and intimidation AND BRING EVIDENCE... it is them.
0 evdence, 0 indictments, 0 convictions.

Gordon which one are you in Zombie's Berkeley photos... Or are you still voting with all my dead relatives back in Chicago?

400 biff  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:30:35am

I believe now that the rush by CBS to get this story out was to meet the DNC deadline for the "Fortunate Son" ad campaign. The reason the DNC was in such a rush was that the 527s abilities to advertise expired 60 days before the election. That 60 Minutes II was the first episode of the news show after the 527 expiration. The DNC had already lost a half week of the 8 weeks it had to run the ad, and holding the ad up another week for confirmation of the memos would result in an almost 20% hit to the ad schedule. CBS was playing ball with the DNC all the way on this. After reading the NY Sun piece today, it very well may have come straight from the Viacom boardroom. This could be huge.

401 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:30:53am

# 383 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb):

Bush gave a very tough speech at the UN this morning. :-))). And they sat there and fumed. He brought up the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the rights of women [yay!], the right to participate in your own government, etc., etc. A whole laundry list of rights our muslim friends are violating on a regular basis.

My thought as Bush described the the similarities between the Declaration of Independence and the UN Declaration of Human Rights is that the UN General Assembly is going to vote this afternoon the rescind the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Just to show they can.

402 Evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:30:59am

The forged memos were evidently held by Bob Fertik and others in the Kerry Camp prior ro Burkett getting them.

They planned the whole "Bush AWOL" campaign to dovetail with Kerry's "Fortunate Son" ad the same time Mapes was working with Lockhart to launder the memos through Burkett (as the pre-ordained fallguy).

Curious!

403 plato  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:31:41am

Lucy Ramirez? I knew Lucy Ramirez. And you're no Lucy Ramirez!

Just kidding folks...

Lucy Ramirez? I know Lucy Ramirez. She walked like this...

(Stooges)

404 alegrias  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:31:58am

Zell Miller, please come out & denounce the savage butchery of our enemy who behead because we exist, while the UN twiddles its' collectivist thumbs & prays for a Kerry victory.

405 urthshu  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:32:30am

"...Lucy, joo got some 'splainin' to do..."

406 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:34:04am

Banagor--please check your e-mail.

407 AZ Lizard Kisser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:34:29am

OT

FOX is reporting the 2nd American's been beheaded.

DROP THE DAMN MOAB ALREADY.

408 Cheko  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:35:08am

#399

heheheh..

give the "other" side another black eye ;)

Drinking anyone?

409 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:35:34am

Ed Moran,

that had "businessman specials", with free booze, and I managed to down 4 free beers in the one hour flight from OAK to SAN.

That's nothing, once at a NIN concert, I drank two 16 oz beers waiting in line to pay, (I couldn't drink all four.) :-)

410 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:36:39am

#400 biff

The RNC had just had a fantastic convention, Bush gets a convention bounce and 9/11 was coming with more memories of Bush standing on a pile of smoking rubble...all this was to stop the upward swing in the polls.

411 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:36:57am

#402 Evilscott
I thought it was kinda funny that Kerry et all actually announced the NAME of their upcoming Smear Campaign against Bush (fortunate son), but now I think it was a very useful thing for them to do.
It fits suspiciously well into this growing time-line, doesn't it?
And then there's that article RWW just posted dated February 5th. Mighty interesting!

412 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:38:10am

Banagor--please check your e-mail, and read my message to you before you read mommydoc's...

(heh! I don't believe in playing fair)

(BTW--good to see you again, mommydoc, where yabeen?)

413 DocDublU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:38:20am

ruben hinojosa is a democrat, Congressman from the 15th District of TX. He has a relationship with Lucy Ramirez, the Dirctro of Nustra Clinica del Valle, a series of health clinics in south Texas. He is not a Republican.

414 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:39:27am

I've got 5 gmail invites too, if someone wants them. Just pop me an email.

415 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:40:25am
416 VoBan  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:41:37am

Not to change the subject, but since their hasn't been a new thread for a while:
Bill Cunningham, WLW700 in Cincinnati, has a letter from the DNC asking for donations for helping in a recount ALREADY!

417 Carolyn  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:41:41am

The Islamic monsters have killed the other American, just heard it on Fox.

418 mapenguin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:42:40am

I wish I thought to record Kerry- I've been suffering from insomnia and I think this speech to could the cure.

419 suntory_boss  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:43:05am

another hostage is dead. Mosques in Iraq should be attacked now.

420 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:43:13am

Kerry press conference on now
Kerry: “I want to express my thoughts about all the difficulties that the people of Fla. have had with this weather...………….The loss of life……….that is………..ah……….b eyond difficulty”

Huh?

421 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:43:39am
422 ac halle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:43:56am

Lucy Ramirez is Mr. Magoo's long lost sister.
Rocky, Bullwinkle and Dan Rather found her last night, hanging with Jerry Garcia at Bimbo's in North Beach.
Astounding discovery, aided by Mother T.
My God, when does the Fat Lady take stage?

423 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:44:44am
424 DocDublU  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:44:52am

So Lucy Ramirez does exist. She lives just south of Houston in the Rio Grande Vally. She has a connection to Ruben Hinojosa, (D-Tx 18th). He thanked her for her ability to garner federal and state grants for the operation of a series of minority health clinics in South Texas. If Burkett did agree to meet her in Houston, this makes some sense.

To those of you who were searching Kinkos in Abiline, you'ld also better check the border towns of Southern Texas where Lucy Ramirez lives.

425 Snowy Owl  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:46:30am

#12 Smit (reposted in summary)

Yes, "Lucy Ramirez" is the niece of character Kay Scarpetta

426 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:46:31am

Hey there, Occasional! Playing the part of a workaholic, until my contract ended. Now taking a much needed 3+ month "vacation." Scare quotes because my vacation consists of crammingstudying for boards and dreading the inevitable next move.

And, since you don't play fair, ;-), RIP Ford, if Banagor gets oversubscribed, can you hold one for me? Please?

427 Desso Studios  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:46:41am

Someone ask: "Mr. Kerry, who is Lucy?"

428 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:47:04am
429 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:47:22am
430 Carolyn  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:47:51am

If G-D forbid anyone in my family was ever captured by these inhuman beings, I wouldn't beg for their life (their fate is sealed when they are taken hostage) I would spend my time cursing their evil religion with every breath.

431 rastajenk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:48:59am

#416 Voban

Bill Cunningham is a great American, is he not?

I predicted a while ago that Ohio might be this year's Florida, because it a) is a hotly contested 'battleground state' and b) because it still uses punch-card ballots in many areas. The ACLU has already filed suit contesting the legitimacy of the results. My most fervent hope is that it becomes such a blowout that reasonable people will see that a recount is unjustifiable. But that won't stop the loonies from crying foul, anyway.

432 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:49:13am
433 mapenguin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:50:41am

Bush has no credibility?? Kerry deals with the truth???

Hm, Kerry calling Bush arrogant? Has he looked in a mirror lately?

I'm impressed, though, that the press is actually asking questions about his varying positions. Of course, he insists on playing the "I don't waffle" line.

Oh, somebody please pass the tylenol!

434 Deuce  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:50:48am

Lucy Ramirez is the cover name for Valerie Plame, Mrs. Joseph Wilson.

435 L88Vette  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:50:50am
I konw who Lucy Ramirez is, she's the wife of Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez.

Don't you mean Manny Ortez ???

436 Bayonet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:51:16am

I believe:

"Lucy Ramirez" doesn't exist

"Lee Harvey Oswald" acted alone

"Bill Burkett" was "directed" by someone at the DNC

"Max Cleland" acted alone when he dropped his grenade

"Dan Rather" was the perfect "drop" for the phony docs

"George Bush" honorably completed his service

"John F. Kerry" DISHONORABLY completed his service

"Charles Johnson" is our combination and modern day Thomas Paine and Col. William F Friedman to whom we owe congrats for Courage and thanks for Service to the Republic in keeping our election cycle Truthful

HuuRah
Pajamarines! "We Can Handle The Truth"

437 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:52:10am

#421:

You expect John Fuckface Kerry to say anything about these beheadings? That would alienate the 90% Muslim voting bloc for the Donks.

438 one-truth-poney  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:52:28am

Let's face it -

John Kerry is a traitor...pure and simple

If he becomes president the US will be sold down the river ...you can bet on it

439 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:52:48am

Actually isn't Charles more of a modern day Paul Revere?

440 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:53:40am

After reading the full text of Bush's speech, I have to say that I'm somewhat mollified. It really does sound like the obligatory boilerplate, and it was so sandwiched into castigating the paleoterrorist supporters that it was de-emphasized. Probably said with an understood wink-and-nudge to Sharon, with whom he probably discussed its inclusion ahead of time.

441 zorp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:53:50am

I can see where all of this is leading...

John Forge Kerry!

442 LanceKates  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:54:11am
"John F. Kerry" DISHONORABLY completed his service

Actually... he completed his services honorably... He just lied about some events to get medals, then lied about the troops when he got home. his honorable discharge is about the only truthful thing in his service career.

443 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:54:16am

Another thing, the UN is a joke. It is a glorified debating society that specializes in passing lots of anti-US and anti-Israel resolutions in the General assembly. On the ground, their so-called peacekeeping forces have always been a joke, from Siani 1967 to Rwanda 1993 to the 1990s Balkans. What have they ever done to topple a dictator?

444 spiritualinfant  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:54:30am

Kerry is doing a press conf. (FOX)

He is clearly out of touch. CLUELESS!

He says he has one position on Iraq. But won't say which one. AAAHHH!

I can't stand it!

445 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:55:19am

440 mommydoc:

Bush mentioning the paleopigs probably gave the entire assembly a coniption fit.

446 Andrew B.  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:55:49am
447 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:55:54am

Fuckface Kerry is so damn evil and bad, that if he wins, i'm MOVING!@

448 Another Thought  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:56:10am

Regarding the mysterious Lucy Ramirez:

Given that this comes from Burkett, it is entirely possible there is no Lucy Ramirez.

If there was someone who passed docs to Burkett, this was an obvious attempt to use him to in in essence launder the docs, knowing that if anyone discovered the forged nature of them, they could only trace them back to Burkett, and well, Burkett is Burkett, and who knows what he's talking about...

So if anyone did pass docs to Burkett, it's not likely that they gave Burkett their real name, knowing they were just setting him up for any fall that might occur...

So the obvious questions:
How much involvement did the Kerry Kamp have in making this story happen. Admittedly, they were instrumental in one sense: Burkett was promised contact with the campaign in exchange for the docs; Lockhart provided this reward to Burkett.

Of course, one can speculate that Burkett couldn't seriously be the unimpeachable source that CBS spoke of...and that person had to be someone from the Kerry Kamp/DNC with the credibility to push this story through CBS with a minimum of vetting...

449 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:56:15am
450 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:56:17am

OT [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...] - Genocidial militias are guarding Sudanese refugees according to UN officials who received this info from some of those refugees.

Foxes guarding the henhouse? SOP for the UN.
UN doing nothing about this? Again, SOP.

The SOL has run on the SOP at the UN. Time for a new SOP, which is to carry out the mandate of the UN and stop the genocide.

451 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:56:35am

And bravo! to Home Depot. Lord knows they could use some better employees, as it is.

452 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:56:44am

Every word out of that scumbag's mouth causes Bush to get .1% higher in the polls.

453 VoBan  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:57:19am

#431 rastajenk:
Bill Cunningham, God Bless America!
He's not always great; he yelled at us for not giving him free beer (he did't give us free food, the reason).
And don't forget the NAACP in Cincy giving people $10 to register to vote, but only if you took their voter applications pre-filled as "Democrat."

454 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:57:48am
455 Manco_Dollars  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:58:18am

449 American Infidel:

What's pathetically sad is how the entire left in this nation has been taken hostage by the Islamonazi cause. They used to be patriotic. Not any more.

456 mapenguin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:59:14am

#449 I don't think he is getting fluff questions, but he is giving fluff answers.

Has he ever just answered a question with a direct answer? I'm asking because if he has, I've missed it.

457 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 9:59:43am
458 jrdroll  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:00:12am

Hey there's a horse's ass on Fox right now. I think its Mr. KEd.

459 cblesz  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:00:23am

This press conference is brutal!! "I have a better plan!"

WELL??? What exactly IS the plan??

460 spiritualinfant  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:00:31am

I can't hear the questions either. Frustrating!

461 scott331  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:00:45am

why is it kerry answer all the question with the same answer

462 mapenguin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:01:19am

Oh, Please! Did he just say that troops (as in our military) have said that we need his help?!

EGADS! Somebody wash his mouth out with soap for the lies he tells!

463 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:01:58am
464 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:02:06am

There probably IS only one Lucy Ramirez in Texas. I mean, they don't have Latinos there or anything...

OT - The Tuesday polling roundup is up and available.

465 Tumulus11  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:02:33am

' The President has to start to live in a world of reality.'

Mr. Kerry keeps saying it. The greatest strategists in the Democratic party have met in emergency session to emerge with - this?

466 Nancy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:02:33am

I suppose soon we can expect to hear from the DU and likes that Karl Rove was behind Teresa (she was after all a Republican until the primary) aggreeing to marry Kerry and sabotaging his campaign and THAT'S why Kerry has been such an ineffective candidate!

467 Desso Studios  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:02:37am

Doesn't he look like the Scarecrow as he recited the pythagorean theorum?

468 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:02:55am

I can't hear the questions either but answer is always the same.
Some must be his flip-flopping but he is just giving his speech from yesterday yet again.

469 AZ Lizard Kisser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:03:03am

The press won't pin Kerry down, dammit! They ask a question, then says he has a plan and then goes off on GWB again. Total evasion. Man I hope Bush nails him to the wall on this stuff in the debates, the press sure isn't doing it.

470 cblesz  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:03:11am

I cannot stand HIM!!! Argghhh...make it stop!

471 jrdroll  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:03:37am

Fox Kerry: The President needs to start living in Reality.

Is that near Crawford?

472 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:04:15am

Kerry: How I make can clear more? Plan I a have!!

473 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:04:49am

#439 - John Peter Zenger is probably a better choice.

474 brianstien  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:04:51am

Wayy late to the party... Is Capt. Nuance holding a full-fledged press conference?

475 one-truth-poney  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:04:51am

John Kerry:

1. in 120 days gets all those medals - what a fighter. Three purple hearts and out we go. You'd think he was at Normandy.

2. Comes home and uses war crimes to launch his political career. Without regard to POWs left behind in VietNam.

3. Throws away 6-7-8-9 medals...no wait they turned out to be ribbons.

4. Marries a Billionaire - endearing to the "common man" as his wife would say - and want to raise taxes - wouldnt hurt him would it.

5. Talks with the enemy in paris, + Nicauragua.
6. Antiewar all throughout his career.
7. Willing to change positions at a pin drop.

Did I miss anything???

476 spiritualinfant  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:06:23am

Kerry: "I am particularly sensitive, esp. with respect to losing support" -paraphrased

(from his response to why he did not support the first Gulf war.)

I didn't hear him comment on his active role in eroding support for 'Nam however...

477 Bayonet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:06:29am

Hey #442 Lance:


JF Kerry did NOT HONORably complete his service, old boy.

He was a Naval Officer in the Reserves while he was
throwing his "Medals Themselves" over the fence,
meeting with the VC in Paris, falsely testifying that the rest of us STILL in theater fighting the VC and the NVA were CRIMINALS . . .

Giving aid and comfort to the ENEMY is TREASON
especially for an OFFICER IN THE MILITARY.

DISHONORABLE is the only conclusion.


Pajamarines! "WE Can Handle The TRUTH"
HuuRah

478 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:06:49am
479 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:06:55am

Kerry press conference:

Iraq was not a part of the WoT. That was al-qaeda and Afghanistan.

Puuhleeze, This man is incredibly dense. And scary. He's this close to the WH.

480 Tumulus11  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:07:32am

' Millions of terrorists pouring over Iraq's borders ... well lots of them, anyways ... '

' I have a plan. '

481 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:07:38am

#475

5. Talks with the enemy in paris, + Nicauragua.

Wasn't he still an officer in the US military when he did that?

482 zorp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:08:03am

The Democrats must be kicking themselves about skipping the primary. A 6 month, 10 person Bush Bashing pep rally got them exactly what they wanted, "Anyone but Bush".

A steaming piece of dog crap in the shape of a "D" would have a more consistent platform!

483 AZ Lizard Kisser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:08:28am

Kerry: "Bush says the sky is blue, but I have a plan to make it plaid. Yes, I have a plan, I've said that all along. This president has not dealt with the blue sky but my plan will."

484 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:09:21am

#481 glwing

Wasn't he still an officer in the US military when he did that?

Yes he was.

485 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:09:59am
486 AZ Lizard Kisser  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:10:16am

Charles! The headline for this MUST be "KERRY HAS A PLAN." :D We still don't know what that plan is, but...

487 mapenguin  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:10:30am

You know, he is a really bad speaker. I mean really. Funny, I really never noticed how horribly he speaks.

Aren't his 4 points for Iraq what we are already doing?

Oh, my head is just spinning!

488 scott331  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:10:38am

i'm i hearing right but i hear kerry say twice already that what bush is doing it is by his advice

489 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:10:48am

#472 RWW
On Frank's recommendation regarding the PDF file creation date I sent the dates to Allahpundit. I hope you don't mind, but I just sent another post to him with YOUR post regarding the "announcement" on February 5th that you located on democrat.com

Here it is:
Hi again Allah -
So timeline is now
article on democrats.com 2/5
PDF file created 2/6
Burkett gets call from Ramirez supposedly in March
September Kerry Kampf announnces the beginning of "Fortunate Son" campaign
What was it, about a week later September CBS reports on "evidence"?
No collusion between Kerry & CBS?
Yeah, k!
monkeyweather

RWW posted this:


#374 RWW 9/21/2004 11:15AM PST


WHAT's THE CREATE DATE OF THE .docs.fba ?? ISN'T IT CLOSE TO THE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE? I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CRYSTAL BALLS.


.see it here


Bush's AWOL Lies:
Famous Last Words!

Bob Fertik

February 5, 2004 (with subsequent updates)

[Link: democrats.com...]


It's sublime to watch Bush & Co. lie about something as simple as whether Bush went AWOL or not in 1972.

The facts are clear: with two full years of flying duty remaining, Bush "cleared this base" (Ellington AFB in Houston) on May 15, 1972. After that, he never reported for another drill. He disobeyed specific orders, was legally AWOL, and legally a deserter.

Of course he was never prosecuted, because his name is Bush. But that doesn't change the facts.

Bush could easily put this issue to rest by releasing his full military records, as Democrats.com and Senators Kerrey, Inouye, and Cleland called for in 2000. He could also find eyewitnesses who saw him performing his duty either in Alabama in 1972 (see "The Turnipseed File," Appendix A) or in Texas in 1973. We know he has looked; his failure to find a single eyewitness is the ultimate indictment.

(I bolded the next paragraph)

Sooner or later, irrefutable proof will emerge that Bush never attended a drill after May 1972. And when that proof emerges, all of the denials below will be exposed as pure lies.

. . . the article continues.

490 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:10:51am

AAArgh!

All they did was ask questions that allowed him to repeat his speech of yesterday.

491 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:11:32am
492 Purple Fury  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:13:15am

What, no questions about SBVFT?

/feigned shock and surprise

493 Doss  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:13:30am

The first presidential debate will be in 9 days.
1st debate...September 30
VP debate...October 5
2nd debate...October 8
3rd debate...October 13

494 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:13:36am
495 brianstien  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:13:40am

A question that needs to be asked: "Senator, you've characterized the internatial presence in Iraq as 'a coalition of the coerced and the bribed'. Have you any evidence of coercion and bribery (asshole)?"

496 spiritualinfant  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:13:45am

Dang!

The press conf is over and I couldn't hear the questions. Were the reporters able to pin the slimey weasel to any concrete stance or position? On any issue at all???

497 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:14:31am

#484 Rip

Yes, I knew he was. I was being sarcastic.

Point: In my thinking that is treason!

498 applesweet  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:15:14am

OT

Is the great Creator's website [Link: www.allahpundit.com...]
down. I keep getting the message that url cannot be found.

499 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:16:26am

#489 monkeyweather

no problem - glad you did it. Am trying to find date of Burkett's interview with Chris Matthews in Feb 04.

500 suntory_boss  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:17:37am

I'll never forgive bush for calling islam a religion of peace. Christ, even the beheaders probably laugh when they hear that. It's a religion of utter savagery. Wipe out those cities, kill every last person where those worthless militia are. Destroy 10 mosques for every hostage executed. Muhammad, may you burn in hell, you pedophile.

501 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:18:04am

i wonder if judy woodruff of cnn sits on a towel while she gushes in talking about John F--khead Kerry

502 cblesz  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:19:15am

Judy Woodruff? Skank reporter from the Clinton News Network

503 Dave the.....  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:19:55am
The Democrats must be kicking themselves about skipping the primary. A 6 month, 10 person Bush Bashing pep rally got them exactly what they wanted, "Anyone but Bush".


I accidentally listened to left wing radio one night last spring (they have a really good blues program on right before it). The to LLL's were going off on MSM, how as soon as Dean started making some gains, all of MSM gained up on him and did their best to crush him.

The liberals point was that the media wanted Kerry in there because he was viewed as having the best chance of beating Bush.

You know, for one of the few times in my life, I agreed with them.

504 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:20:10am

#497 glwing

Sorry man.

505 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:20:20am

appologies for no umlauts:

Verruckt,
Verflucht,
Burkett ist,
Verruckt,
Verflucht,
Koo Koo!

506 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:20:54am

#494 Rayra: Nice! (And by the way, I'm having a Kalashnikov n' Semtex, on the rocks)

507 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:21:48am

#505 john5z

Are you verklempt?

508 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:23:51am

#494 Rayra

Uhhh, listen dude-if you saw the picture that someone posted, you would realize you would need many drinks.

Actually, they had this think on the radio this morning, about a web site called howmanywouldittake.com, I think that is what it is...Basically, it shows pictures of people and you have to say how many drinks it would take for you to find that person attractive. I'll see if I can find it.

509 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:24:35am

507 Mom:

Are you sure you don't mean verklemmt?

510 Firebreather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:25:25am

Minor, expendable pawns like Burkett are always the first to be sacrificed in a scandal/coverup. Rather/Mapes et al., the people who coordinated the whole thing with Kerry surrogates, are the real guilty ones, and they're still at large. My brother teaches media and he says there's no doubt-- none whatsoever-- that CBS timed its mea culpa to coincide with the beheadings of Americans in Iraq...because they know the beheadings (with the terrorists' deadline announced in advance) will quickly knock the CBS mea culpa from the headlines. Just the sort of cynical trick they're infamous for.

511 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:25:52am
512 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:25:55am

Rayra!

Here it is, it's hilarious...just for a little comic relief.

How many drinks would it take???

513 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:26:05am

#504 Rip

No apology necessary :)
Shoulda made myself more clear. How would you know I wasn't really asking and thank you for the answer

P.S. And that's lady ;)

514 alegrias  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:26:24am

#500 Suntory Boss

If it makes you feel better, think of Bush calling Islam the R.O.P. as a KarlRovian use of the term--when in fact we know it is a Cult of Terror.

It wouldn't have been prudent to call it what it is back then. As is was, the LLLs and MSMs consider us the really evil ones, so he has to use reverse psychology to get to the first square...to get the Saudis, Pakis and others even putatively on board to fight their own demons...

After Nov. 2, maybe he can take the gloves off and tell it like it is. ROP, my Kerriere.

515 Dave Ray  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:26:46am
516 one-truth-poney  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:28:17am

#481 glwing

I believe he was still technically in the armed forces when he talked with Vietnamese in Paris.

Nicaragua - he and Harkin , I think, ran down there secretly, without authorization, as Senators...

517 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:28:25am

#489 monkeyweather

That's good enough for me. Cuff 'em, Dano. I guess they forget the Intenet is public domain.

518 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:29:12am

#341 I'll bet this is too buried down here to do any good but...

Bush, who was 31 years old and working in an entry-level oil industry job in 1977, has refused to directly answer questions about whether he has used illegal drugs, except to say he has not since 1974. He has said, however, ''I did some irresponsible things when I was young and irresponsible.''

From
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

519 zorp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:30:42am

When John Forge Kerry practices his speeches, how many mirrors does he use?

520 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:30:45am

#269 "Burkett is utterly lost in a pathological hatred of G W Bush who he PERSONALLY blames for the assignment he got in the guard to go to central america where he caught some virulent bug. Burkett PERSONALLY blames the President for his medical condition and has been trying to effectivly lash out ever since...if he is not the actual (lying) source of the documents(90% chance he IS the creator) then we need to look at the elderly secretary who is proudly proclaiming Bush was Se-lected not Elected. Sounds like she might need some further investigation."

Burkett remind anyone of Commander Ben Finney, trying to ruin Capt. Kirk in Star Trek?

/snortle

521 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:30:51am

Michael Moore reads 'My Pet Goat' to an audience then eats a real one! Okay, okay, Michael Moore didn't really eat a goat. That last part isn't 'true'. At least not in the sense that it happened, but it's 'essentially true' because I hate Michael Moore and it reinforces my prejudices.

522 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:31:03am

quizziguy:

And your point is?

523 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:31:47am

#509

Ya know, I'm gonna get farmisht if we keep going back and forth on this...

524 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:31:53am

LGF Zionists are a disappointment!

525 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:32:34am

Anagrams for "Lucy Ramirez." I like #2 myself.


I'M [RULE LURE] CRAZY
LIE RUM CRAZY
MR LIEU CRAZY
I [RULE LURE] MY CZAR
I'M RECUR LAZY
RIM CURE LAZY
I'M CURRY ZEAL
RICE RUM LAZY
I MR CURE LAZY

526 dgd  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:33:28am

Dan Rather TODAY:

"Do I think they're forged? No," Rather said. "But it's not good enough to use the documents on the air if we can't vouch for them, and we can't vouch for them."

Burkett may not be the only...ummmn...lost soul in this story. On the other hand Dan may not have seen the actual docs yet, only what showed up on the monitor.

527 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:33:48am
528 biff  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:34:21am

#432 American Infidel 9/21/2004 11:49AM PST
#421 ploome hineni

"he has a plan

Yes, he has a plan...
He has a plan to announce that he has a plan...
He has a plan to announce that he has a plan to announce a plan..."

Sounds like a big IT consulting firm I once hired.

529 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:34:31am

#513 glwing

LOL

Sorry mam. :P

530 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:34:33am

#525 LOL!

I like "I'm curry zeal". It reminds me of All of Me.

Did you ever see "All of Me". Where the guy goes "back in bowl, back in bowl" to try to get the spirits back to where they need to be?

531 jrdroll  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:34:35am

#524

LGF Zionists are a disappointment!


The checks are late.
/sarc off

532 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:34:41am

#524 Moishe Pipick

Your not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

I bet you would walk into a German shower and expect to wlak out clean?

533 a noble vision  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:36:14am

Told you, black helicopters!

534 one-truth-poney  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:36:22am

Teresa Heinz Kerry:

Own hundreds of millions of stock in a company that is outsourcing american jobs.

Will not let america see her tax returns. Bet it is all in munis - so when taxes go up...she wont pay a dime more...well maybe a lttle on the Heinz dividends..

calls her detractors - idiots and scumbags.

I can why John fell head over heels in love with her.

535 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:36:51am

Ümlaats ! Get your x here!

536 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:36:59am

%530,

Yes, I did. And right now people at Kerry HQ are screaming for Burkett to get back in his bowl.

537 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:37:02am

#514

"If it makes you feel better, think of Bush calling Islam the R.O.P. as a KarlRovian use of the term--when in fact we know it is a Cult of Terror."

Is a "Karlrovian" term more like "nuance" or "flip-flopping"?

538 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:37:18am
539 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:37:18am

Writermom:

Vermischt: promiscuous - I never new that - too bad your up there and I'm down here (in the gutter).

Or did you mean mixed up?

;-)

540 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:37:30am

#529 Rip

No problem, kindly sir

LOL

:-Þ Right back at ya ;)

541 Firebreather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:38:13am

Compare Blather to Nixon: On the substance of it, Blather's crime is greater...Nixon did not order the Watergate break-in, resulting in theft of documents (a lesser crime than forgery) meant to discredit George McGovern, the Democratic nominee for president. He did cover it up, and sacrificed surrogates (Hunt, Liddy, Haldemann/Erlichman, et al.) before surrendering his presidency. Blather, by contrast, KNEW in advance the docs were forged because he was told so BEFORE the initial broadcast. Blather, a kingpin for a media conglomerate (Viacom), coordinated the whole thing with Kerry's surrogates in order to destroy a sitting Republican president. His arrogance-- and the fact that he's gotten away with far worse in the past-- blinded him to any ethical or moral considerations and made him think he'd get away with it. Nixon did not know beforehand-- but he covered up. Blather KNEW-- and he's STILL covering up. And he's sacrificing pawns like Burkett, trying to save his own skin...and adding a half-hearted apology just as Americans were being beheaded, knowing it would supersede the CBS apology.

542 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:38:45am

Thanks Geepers - too much work though.

543 zenbone  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:40:28am

#518 guzziguy

Bush comes clean on all of this and is to be admired for changing his life around.

Clinton, however, smoked but never inhaled, etc. He inhaled before he didn't inhale.

544 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:40:43am

Damn darn it! [grumble, grumble]

Ümlauts! Get your Ümlauts here!

545 WriterMom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:41:29am

Uhhh...john5z, I meant the Yiddish version!

Yiddish in English.

546 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:42:05am

532 BIG

No! Your [sic] stupid!

547 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:42:19am

The trouble with how many beers does it take is that most of the ones early on are half casers which renders me (more) unable.

They could modify to say how many Viagra? But then in order for that to work you have to have someone stimulating which gets you back to nowhere again.

sigh

548 sgt tom  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:42:46am

311 boz
the pdf's come from a paper original, scanned using an hp scanjet scanner... the file header confirms that, and indicates the original scan job was 5 pages in length... while the memo shows only 4

549 guzziguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:44:21am

Guys, I was just answering a request for information. Someone asked for a quote from W wherein he admitted to being young and irresponsible when he was young and irresponsible.

I gave it to him.

550 doppelganglander  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:44:30am

I checked, and the niece in the Kay Scarpetta books is Lucy Farinelli.

551 john5z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:44:47am

Thanks MOM!

Should have known that we were talking different languages. You say tomato, I say tomaato.

Good page too.

552 Firebreather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:45:53am

#520 Lady of Shalott--

That's a great ST episode. I look at Mapes/Blather as Dr. Janice Lester, the scorned lover of Captain Kirk, itching for revenge.

553 Geepers  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:46:24am

john5z,

Just in case you need to forge some documents indicting Gerhard Schröder or something. ;-)

554 jrdroll  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:46:32am

Steyn on Kerry:

“But if George W Bush’s Republican smear machine wants to make our service in Vietnam an issue, I say to them: BRING. IT. ON!”

“But they have brought it on.”

“Well, if they want to continue bringing it on, I say to them: BRING. IT. ON!”

“But your campaign has put out an ad that President Bush call it off.”

“Well, if he wants to make an issue of my begging him to call it off, I say to him: BRING. IT. ON.”


[Link: www.steynonline.com...]

555 Deuce  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:46:51am

Lucy Ramirez is Paul Begala in drag. This has been talked about for years among those in the know. Begala is known to be fond of men in uniform.

556 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:47:10am

"I bet you would walk into a German shower and expect to wlak out clean?"


And BIG...is that some sort of "lemming" crack?

Yuck!

557 nanareen  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:47:44am

I do not think that Kerry got his "Honorable" discharge until Senator Kennedyand/ or Clinton intervened in the 90's.
I believe he got a "General" discharge. Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that's why he won't sign the form for release of all his files.

Also there are two prominent Lucy Ramires' one is a lawyer and one is exec director of NUESTRA CLINICA DEL VALLE . Health care centers in Texas are they one in the same.?

558 glwing  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:48:43am

OT

Water on planes contaminated with human waste. Suggested to keep to bottled drinks and not to wash.

EEEWWW!

559 TMF  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:50:34am
560 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:52:21am

What, no beutel or tucas?

561 bigfella  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:54:11am

I'm going to boycot CBS... and I really like to watch Survivor... Hey, maybe Dan Rather should host his own reality show... we'll call it "To Tell The Truth"...

562 Firebreather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:54:53am

I think we're falling headlong into CBS' trap if we all gang-tackle Burkett. Burkett is an expendable pawn, a fragment of a morsel. The people behind the curtain--Blather, Mapes, others at CBS who coordinated the forgery, the fraud, the coverup-- are the big fish. When Nixon sacrificed Haldemann/Erlichman, the LLLs didn't just devour them and walk away content. Burkett is a nothing, being offered to us on a platter, a classic "Fall Guy." Dan Blather, the perpetrator in chief, is still at large. We should be focused on him, not sidetracked into this "Burkett was bitter and hated Bush" cockamamie distraction. Blather/Mapes and others are the true architects of this crime.

563 Sharon not Ariel  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:55:03am

518 guzziguy,
Thanks - that's what I was looking for. Thanks for answering. I'm more of a lurker than a poster, but I knew you guys would come through for me.

564 Catch22  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:55:29am

All this talk of searching Kinko's in Abiline made me think of another course of investigation:

1. Does the Kinko's have a PC rental station available? Most do.

2. Does the PC have Microsoft Word installed? It's pretty common.

3. Did Burkett rent time on it? You need a credit card to do it in the one I used in Vegas; this should leave a trail.

4. Can you recreate the forgery on it? I could see how a forger wouldn't want to use a home computer on it.

5. Can someone check the temp files and spell checker to see if words like "Killian" or "Staudt" might still exist on the hard disk? Microsoft products are notoriously messy about leaving old data on the disk. I wouldn't be surprised if there was evidence even in the deleted areas of the disk.

6. How about printer buffers? Is there a print server involved that might retain some traces?

Any lizardoids local to Abilene that can do forensic computer data research? Don't forget to preserve any file time stamps that could be useful.

I'm assuming the forger could think using a public PC could be a nice, anonymous way to create the forgery. But it might be the dead giveaway, given the clumsiness of the attempt.

I'm just a regular old SW engineer, but I'm sure an expert could think of even more telltale signs to check...

565 grayp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:55:43am

#499 RWW
The Chris Matthews interview w/Burkett was Feb 16.

566 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:56:32am
I do not think that Kerry got his "Honorable" discharge until Senator Kennedyand/ or Clinton intervened in the 90's.
I believe he got a "General" discharge. Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that's why he won't sign the form for release of all his files.

I've never heard that, but I do know that the wording of his Silver Star citation was changed a decade ago to sound more glowing than the usual boiler-plate citation. So far, no one knows just who in the Pentagon changed the wording.

567 zenbone  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:56:45am

#562 Firebreather

100%!!!

568 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:56:50am

#556 Moishe Pipick

Nope. Nothing to do with lemmings. You reminded me of someone and I said that to him several years ago. I don't know if you are Jewish or not, but your choice of a handle leads to to assume that you are.

It has to do with your posts I've seen hear. You come off like a leftwing Israeli that believes that the Arabs only want peace and if all they want is the destruction of Israel to achieve this peace, then that must be the answer.

You can walk into the shower, but I will not.

569 TalkinKamel  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 10:57:08am

(To be sung to the tune of "Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?")

Is she sneakin' round the world,
Up from Dallas down to Portland,
Or hangin' on the beaches,
In O.C. or St. Tropez?
Pounding her selectric now, or messin' round with faxes,
TELL ME WHO IN THE WORLD IS LUCY RAMIREZ?

We've searched for her at Kino's, and along the Mississippi,
Houston, Albuquerque, Seattle and Juarez,
In Bill Clinton's closet now, or on the Eifel Tower,
TELL ME WHO IN THE WORLD IN LUCY RAMIREZ?

She could be a movie starlett, or the gal who flips your burgers,
Or even a fat Shriner, in a funny lookin' fez!
Is she datin' good King Baldwin now,
Or playin' tricks on Rather?
TELL ME WHO IN THE WORLD IS LUCY RAMIREZ?

570 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:01:44am
571 Joseph  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:04:21am

Rosh:

Good sluething! Now I recall reading it on Aish.com 2-3 years ago... Although it was the Producer, Rather was also oblivious to the history/importance of the Temple Mount.

572 Darleen  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:04:39am

Wow...over 500 comments...

Um... I decided not to read all of them so if I repeat what someone else has said, apologies offered before hand. :-)

Burkett has many medical problems, but the only excuse the lefties at dKos have today is advanced BDS.

Not one post dealing with the brutal slaughter of American hostages by Islamofascists who delight in sawing off the heads of screaming Kaffir.

Markos himself is puffing out his puny chest, harruanging the Kossacks to give money to his "list" and then completely dismissing the forged memo debacle.. the DEM Dirty Trick ... by stating

The wingnuts are crowing about the CBS memo issue, as though they've somehow proven something.
They may have proven the memos were reconstructions or forgeries or whatever. But fact is, they haven't touched the underlying assertion -- that Bush was AWOL and didn't fulfill his duty to his nation, not when he was in Alabama, and not when he went to Massachussets for business school.

When the wingnuts prove Bush fulfilled his duties, then I'll pay attention. As it stands, the overwhelming mountains of evidence against Bush's National Guard service may have gotten a few memos lighter.

'screw'em is both making the kool-aid and drinking it by the gallon. That so-called 'mountain of evidence' has Burkett's deranged fingerprints all over it. It is worthless. The case is OVER. There is nothing left that the moonbats can say or produce that will be believed because they have impeached themselves with this affair.

Get over it, Kossacks, and start paying attention to the Islamists that WANT YOU DEAD.

I SO want to b*tch slap Markos.

573 sli  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:05:11am

OT

Chirac: Time
for global tax
French president supports plan
to fight international poverty

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

I hate that guy.

574 LanceKates  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:05:35am

#570

I've said for a long time that the DNC doesn't really think Kerry will win. They want Hillary to run in '08 with no incumbant.

I don't know if its purposefully done by the DNC to see this out... but I would imagine that's why the Spin Machine at the DNC has been so ineffective in helping Kerry.

They don't really want to.

575 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:06:09am

Re; Murdered contractors:

I think every civilian contractor should receive a days' training and be issued a sidearm with stopping power.


If surrounded by a squad of jihadis, they are still probably going to die, but in that situation I'd rather go down trying to send some of Satan's Little Helpers (ie, Muslims) to Hell than wind up bound, gagged and blindfolded and sacrificed like the Eid al Fitr goat.

576 Crusader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:08:53am

"I SO want to b*tch slap Markos. "

If you did, do you think he'd spend the next 3 years attempting to learn the "root cause" of your action...or would he do something unilateral?

577 jrdroll  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:10:02am

#573

Chirac: Time
for global tax
French president supports plan
to fight international poverty


What's his cut?

578 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:10:02am

BIG

"You come off like a leftwing Israeli that believes that the Arabs only want peace and if all they want is the destruction of Israel to achieve this peace, then that must be the answer."

He, Heh..

Wrong dummy!

---

Fuck Bush the sell-out!

Kahanists for Kerry!

Praise LGF

LGFism has got to go!

579 mle_ii  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:10:43am

#570 song_and_dance_man

Yeah, that is my conspiracy theory as well, that this is all a Clinton plan to get her on in 08.

580 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:10:55am

Geepers: Oh, no! Not the umlaut again! ;-)

Still one of my favorite threads.

Ah, the good old days.

581 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:12:25am

I just finished reading the Bat Ye'or interview on FrontPage titled "Eurabia".

And I'm scared. I'm truly frightened for the future of the world in a way I haven't been before. These European leftist socialists are exactly the people that the Democrats want to befriend and emulate. And they have sold their souls to the Arabs in exchange for an "economic empire" that they'll never be in charge of, and the goal of ridding the continent of Jews, apparently not being aware that the Christians will be next.

I am convinced. Europe cannot be saved. And "rebuilding alliances" with this continent can only hasten our demise. For the preservation of our great nation we must turn our back on the old countries, and let them kill themselves. And in the meantime we must prepare for the final assault.

There, I've said it. I'm finally "bigelized". And you know, I think I'm ready now to face what's coming.

582 Max Darkside  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:13:18am

Ed:

I told my wife that if they every try to take me hostage in the ME, if I turn up missing, watch for news of some Jihadi with an AK-47 shoved up his arse.

I will refuse to be taken hostage. I will die first and take a few with me. Saves her from the grief over many days awaiting a beheading. The thought of her pleading and seeing me butchered on video wrenches my heart.

Logic tells you not to comply. Your odds better standing there facing them than kneeling bound and blind-folded.

583 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:14:58am

Lizard by the Bay: Exactly. Very scary.

584 Keelie  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:15:00am

Thoroughly morally equivalent Kofi:

"In Iraq, we see civilians massacred in cold blood, while relief workers, journalists and other non-combatants are taken hostage and put to death in the most barbarous fashion," Annan said with Bush in the audience.

"At the same time, we have seen Iraqi prisoners disgracefully abused," he said, drawing a parallel between the Iraq bloodshed and the prisoner scandal in a way destined to irk the US administration.

Panties on head=Removal of head

Way to go Kofi. Most people in the world are fooled by your crap.

585 Asylum Aleikum  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:17:47am

"Moishe Pipick", get lost you effing troll, and don't come back until you learn how to impersonate a Jew.

586 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:18:03am

Song and dance,

Interesting. See my cvomment below.


Lance Kates,

I've posted before that the major parties don't run serious candidates except for every eighth year. Bubba and the misssus were a fluke.

587 Right Brain  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:18:26am

#570 Song and Dance

I think you are trying to see a plan where there simply isn't one. Some punster at Daily Kos has a tag that says "I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a Democrat." I think this about says it all.

Here is the problem I have with the forgery: no one over forty would think a word processor could produce type from the 70's. However no one under forty could know enough about the military jargon at the time to expect to do a passable job in the text construction. So there you have it, it must have been bungled by someone in a group, i.e. they ignored instructions to pop for a $50 typewriter off Ebay and instead thought they would age it with a copier.

As far as a chess move in a conspiracy, nah, these are Democrats, they barely can play checkers.

588 blt  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:18:47am

#570: Interesting theory thought it is, I have trouble buying it. The key problem with this (and other conspiracy theories, whether it's the RNC or DNC behind them) is that they require forged memos that can be easily detected by the masses, while fooling everyone at CBS. All it would take is one individual, just one individual at CBS, with brains AND journalistic scruples, to foil the entire plot.

So, for any conspiracy theory to hold, either everyone at CBS must be in on it (and willing to take the fall), or they all must have no brains and no journalistic scruples.

Not that everyone at CBS wasn't fooled by obviously forged memos (no brains, no journalistic scruples there), but I don't think one could plan a conspiracy, counting on this to happen.

589 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:18:55am

568 And another thing BIG

"Nope. Nothing to do with lemmings. You reminded me of someone and I said that to him several years ago. I don't know if you are Jewish or not, but your choice of a handle leads to to assume that you are."

I don't assume you to be a goy just because you're stupid and humorless.

"It has to do with your posts I've seen hear. You come off like a leftwing Israeli that believes that the Arabs only want peace and if all they want is the destruction of Israel to achieve this peace, then that must be the answer."

But you didn't provide any evidence. I come off as fairly unpopular, sure. I figure you've probably noticed that I get shouted down here sometimes...and that's enough for you to mentally throw me in the gas chamber! Whoa!

590 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:19:13am

#575 Ed Moran

I'd buy an AK-47 from the corner Allah Mart. Everyone in Iraq has a gun. Strap a .45 also. I can't believe any foreigner walks around Iraq without at least two guns, a big knife, brass knuckles, and a truncheon. I'd much, much rather go down fighting.

591 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:20:01am

#578 Moishe Pipick

I can tell by your reply that there is no need for us to proceed.

GAZE

592 foreign devil  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:20:08am

#570 song_and_dance_man:

Occam's Razor! Take the simplest explanation--not the most fantastic.

593 L88Vette  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:23:27am
Burkett remind anyone of Commander Ben Finney, trying to ruin Capt. Kirk in Star Trek?

Yeah, good one...but Mary Mapes is definitely NOT that hot-looking blonde prosecutor who almost nailed James Tiberius Kirk.

"Better luck next time..."

"I had pretty good luck this tim...I lost"

594 alegrias  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:23:43am

#564 Catch 22

SW Engineer, you ought to be on the hunt for Jihadi electronic droppings! Nice sleuthing there, electronic warrior for truth.

595 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:23:45am

OT/

The last of my google invites is now gone, for those of you who requested one, check your email. So far, everyone who asked for one got an invite. Hope you enjoy all the storage space. :)

596 B0Z  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:24:49am

548 sgt tom

Yup... I know the PDF articles from CBS were scanned. I was wondering if there was an older PDF out there that may have been printed out and then scanned. What I am MOST curious about now is the PDF that CBS provided. It was created on 2/6/2004 yet the fax header (if it is the fax header and not some kind of recreation) says "Sep 10 04 03:08 p". What's up with that? These documents were scanned with an HP ScanJet and converted to a PDF with HP's PrecisionScan Pro application. I thought Burkett got the documents in March? Where and when did CBS get the PDF file?

597 freedomsound  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:25:25am

#589 Moishe Pipick

I don't assume you to be a goy just because you're stupid and humorless.

Agent provocateur.

598 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:25:56am

585 Antisemites Anonymous

"Moishe Pipick", get lost you effing troll, and don't come back until you learn how to impersonate a Jew"

Let's have a show of hands:

How many LGFers regularly pretend to be Jews?

P.S.

Who the fuck are you?  

599 FreeKeys  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:26:14am

#129 Havoc

HERE'S one way to resolve at least the "vote tampering" part of vote fraud, if not the illegal registrations.

And HERE'S Jeff Jacoby's column on the thousands of "voters" illegally registered.

600 RWW  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:27:35am

Monkeyweather:

The Hardball interview was Feb 12, 2004 - note how many pages Burkett says he saw - - didn't CBS say they received more than they used?

---

MATTHEWS: Those files in a trash can, how far—were you behind a desk or in front of the desk to get the look at the trash—trash cans are normally behind desks. How did you get a line of sight on that trash can?

BURKETT: No, and that‘s what‘s so important here, Mr. Matthews, is this thing needs to be put in context, and it takes a lot longer than most people are willing to listen. We moved into—we walked into a facility. There was a standard folding table there with a large trash can, old style, metal trash can, roughly 15 gallon, table top high. I was standing next to that trash can, right next to that trash can. These files were there. In the course of a very informal conversation about the files, I looked down, and the top piece of paper was—had the header on it in handwritten, on a standard form, in handwritten letter, Bush, comma, George W., his initial, 1 lt. As those two individuals did walk away, I did something that I‘m not terribly proud of, but I did look at the first five or six or seven or eight pages, and they were all Mr. Bush‘s files.

MATTHEWS: As you sorted through those six pages you found in the trash can

etc etc etc

601 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:28:11am

RIP Ford: Thank you so much. I feel so g-cool! And Banagor, thank you too.

602 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:30:02am

Moishe/ Big,

Drinking thread already?

603 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:31:38am

591 BIG

"GAZE"?

Give up Arguing with Zionist Entity?

C'mon man, just call it Israel.

You Iranian?

604 BIG  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:33:17am

#602 Bob with one O

Aren't they all drinking threads?

605 Beagle  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:33:22am

#598 Moishe Pipick

How many LGFers regularly pretend to be Jews?

Only my penis.

Please stop the childish flame war. Nobody cares.

606 TMF  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:33:34am

#603

Trying to figure out what sucks more, your nickname or your posts.

Ill get back to you on that shortly.

607 Catch22  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:33:41am

594 alegrias

Nice sleuthing there, electronic warrior for truth.


Thanks! Just proudly following the example of our Lizardoid Master! I just wish I was in Abiline so I could test the theory, instead of out here in SF...

Still waiting for the check from the VRWC...

608 Troy Rochford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:34:58am

I'm disappointed to see that so many have failed to realize the obvious. "Who is Lucy Ramirez?"

Come on, people... don't you follow the news at all??!! Ramirez is that chick who killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. ;)

T

609 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:35:08am

#593 L88Vette:

Burkett remind anyone of Commander Ben Finney, trying to ruin Capt. Kirk in Star Trek?

Oh no! Not a Star Trek reference!

Buckaroo sighting in 5 , 4 , 3 , 2...

610 Crusader  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:35:15am

#603:

So, are you enjoying your last day at LGF?

611 L88Vette  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:36:42am
I think we're falling headlong into CBS' trap if we all gang-tackle Burkett. Burkett is an expendable pawn, a fragment of a morsel. The people behind the curtain--Blather, Mapes, others at CBS who coordinated the forgery, the fraud, the coverup-- are the big fish. When Nixon sacrificed Haldemann/Erlichman, the LLLs didn't just devour them and walk away content. Burkett is a nothing, being offered to us on a platter, a classic "Fall Guy." Dan Blather, the perpetrator in chief, is still at large. We should be focused on him, not sidetracked into this "Burkett was bitter and hated Bush" cockamamie distraction. Blather/Mapes and others are the true architects of this crime.

Bullseye!!!

We're acting like the Kool-Aid Krowd over at Kos...let's keep it simple, KISS, shall we?

Burkett is guilty we know. But he says he did NOT create the documents. Let's have HIM indicted along with subpoenas/indictments for Rather and Mapes and let's get to the bottom of this.

Where's the DOJ? Where's the military -- or is forging military-related memos not a crime?

Where's Elliot Spitzer when you need him?

612 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:37:04am

FreeKeys: Thanks a whole lot for stirring up my ulcer again over the total lack of security in voter registration! Ugggh! I am so disgusted by the way we dilute our precious right to representative government by pandering to politically correct shills for illegal aliens. The Jeff Jacoby article linked is a must-read.

Yet, to re-register to vote in California, where any illegal alien can now get a California driver's license with Mexican ID and then use the motor-voter laws to their (illegal) advantage, I had to register electronically to register, then wait for the printout to be snail-mailed to me, then snail-mail it to my county registrar. All to get an absentee ballot, since I moved within CA before I went out of state on assignment.

613 Joseph  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:37:55am

I can't help but think that the strange PO Box on the memo's letterhead '345678' [?] is some kind of clue by the 'forger' to not take the memo too seriously. Anyone have any info about this?

614 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:38:01am

Lizard,

Bigelized? If I read you correctly you advocated letting the Eurabians slide into the void of their own accord. You didn't give them a push.

615 Roger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:38:51am

#570 song_and_dance_man, I think instead there was some plain 'ole stupidity driven by the LLL's anarchical cognitive dissonance to the inferiority of their candidate.

616 freedomsound  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:39:55am

#609 Cam

Shouldn't that be "Finnigan?" That was a great episode.

617 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:44:53am

BIG,

Drinks on me. It's 4:45 EDT.

: )

618 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:45:33am

#614 Bob

Bigelized? If I read you correctly you advocated letting the Eurabians slide into the void of their own accord. You didn't give them a push.

True, but I do advocate preparing to destroy them once they have been assimilated into the Caliphite Collective.

619 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:46:13am

#617 Bob with one O:

Drinks on me. It's 4:45 EDT.

Oh you rat East Coast bastid.

620 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:48:39am

#613 Joseph

As strange as that PO Box is, it is legit.

621 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:48:55am
622 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:50:10am

# 616 freedomsound:

Finnegan was the show on a planet (what else was new?) where Finnegan was someone from Kirk's past and, IIRC, popped Kirk. Finney hid on the Enterprise, and Kirk was courtmartialed when theyb thogyht he was thrown out an airlock during a yellow (Kirk claimed red) alert. That episode had the greatest blooper of all time. When viewing Kirk's hand on the alert console, Spock asked the computer for a magnification of 1 to the 4th power. 1 to any power is still 1.

623 zorp  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:51:28am

#607 Catch 22,

How many SW Engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None. It's a Hardware Problem!

--

Don't forget about the 2/6/2004 timestamp and the fact that it was created using Adobe Acrobat 3.x, not 5.x.

I'd like to see what version Kinkos is using.

I wrote up my findings and posted them on my website. Do I have permission to plug my site???

624 Moishe Pipick  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:52:00am

610 Crusader et al:

Like Bush said to the world:

Sorry I humiliated you with my apartheid fence.

Bye!

625 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:52:31am
626 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:52:50am

Lizard,

OK. You thought it out further than I. Of course, I'm ready for drinks.

CAM,

Actually I'm in the Mountain Time Zone. Using alternate time zones is my attempt at multiculturism.

627 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:56:57am

# 626 Bob with one O:

Actually I'm in the Mountain Time Zone. Using alternate time zones is my attempt at multiculturism.

Also allows for the fact that the sun's over the yardarm SOMEWHERE!

628 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:58:00am

#626 Bob with one O:

LMAO! That is the same reason I occasionally buy Heineken... And I'd thought you said you were in Colorado at some point. Is that where you're at?

629 Roger  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:58:19am

As large as this comment section has grown, we should soon see a post that Charles' just finished a 60-70 mile cycle trip.

630 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:58:46am

RickZ,

Here here. Love the Brit's.

631 Joseph  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 11:59:40am

RIP Ford:

How do you know that?

Thanx,
Joseph

632 godfrey  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:03:18pm

# 570

The Hillary Theory of Kerry's Destruction... Hmm, Kerry was nominated because lefties knew in their hearts that Dean would be no match for Bush, particularly after his scream. Dean's candidacy made them feel good about themselves, saying all the right (cough) things, but the Voices of Reason (cough cough) in the party were looking for someone more (cough) viable. Voila' Kerry.

I don't think the Dems are throwing in the towel. They can't afford to let Bush appoint any Supreme Court justices, and they can't afford a new Bush administration bringing new Republican talent into the limelight. Too many variables, too little control.

Besides, Hillary is not Superwoman. Getting her elected would be tough, particularly if her ticket has to face Condi Rice as a VP choice. (I'd bet the country would go for a female VP before a female P.)

Hillary's boomer liberalism is dead except in academia and the judicial system. The new political alignment is Libertarian vs. Conservative.

Just my .02.

633 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:04:11pm

Cam,

Denver actually.

634 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:04:24pm

i wonder if there is anyway to find out the actual date the DNC put together the campaign "fortunate son"...wether there is any corolation between the date it was put together and lockhats contacts with mapes and burkett

635 Catch22  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:05:57pm

#623 zorp

Don't forget about the 2/6/2004 timestamp and the fact that it was created using Adobe Acrobat 3.x, not 5.x.

True; that is definitely worth considering.

Also worth considering (for the truly paranoid) is to realize that any timestamp can be altered simply by setting the system clock to whatever time you want prior to creating the document. To detect this, you can research the raw drive data to determine if the fake "old" files have overwritten newer files.

Of course, an incorrect date is often common on rental machines; few people care about the date stamps. Also, people often use the clock function in windows to check dates in another month, and accidentally set the time incorrectly.

Add checking the clocks in the computers in the Kinko's in Abiline to see if they are set correctly. Not a smoking gun, but another possible piece of evidence.

636 Cam  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:07:29pm

#633 Bob with one O:

Hmmm. Next time you're at the airport, bang on the floor a Morse code "h-el-l-o" to Charles for me, would you?

;-)

637 RIP Ford  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:08:06pm

#631 Joseph

When the memo first came out I had the same question as you and someone else pointed me to some other legit memos regarding Bush's promotion and it was there too.

638 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:13:19pm
639 Bob with one O  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:13:56pm

Cam,

Done.

: )

640 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:17:34pm

#600 RWW
Yes, that they did.
All right, so that gives us:

Feb 5 2004 Bob Pertik on democrat.com says with great confidence:

"Vee Vill Produce Zee Evidence!!"

Feb 6 2004 pdf created

Feb 12 Burkett is frothing at the mouth on Hardball
uummm and in March he gets a call from Lucy Martinez!

September Kerry announces the onset is "fortunate son", next week (thereabouts) CBS mysteriously produces "fortunate son" evidence, hours later CBS gets arse kicked by Charles & company, etc.
Bob Pertik has been trying to prove for YEARS that Bush was AWOL. It's like his little Private Obsession.
Who is Pertik and what does he know? And who is he connected to at CBS & is there a connection to the Kerry Kampf? I mean, how ODD that "fortunate son" was announced at JUST the right time!!

Anyways, now I always figured that if CBS threw a nutter like Burkett under the bus, he would slam them with everything he's got. So why is he implicating Lucy Martinez and who the hell is she? I betcha Burkett is gonna throw out every name he can connect to this, unfortunately I don't think he HAS too many names.
Back to sleuthing...uh, I mean, WORK! :OP

641 evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:17:40pm

Doesn't James Moore live in Houston?

Hey, WHO is Burkett protecting? He said he used Conn's name FIRST to protect the real source. Conn quickly (as a US Government employee) distanced himself from Burkett, and then Burkett threw out the "Lucy Ramirez" name. Evidently he has no idea who Lucy Ramirez is...so why try to defend the source so vigorously??

Could be that Burkett used "Lucy Ramirez" to protect his old chum Conn who, as a DoD employee is not allowed, by The Hatch Act, to participate in any political activities.

If not Conn, then I say James Moore. Moore has been in close contact with Ben barnes recently, and Ben Barnes is on Kerry's campaign. They are all old Texas hands obsessed with the National Guard issue.

FOLLOW THIS: Lucy Ramirez is James Moore (Houston), Moore was working with Ben Barnes (Kerry Kamp). The planning started in Feb, but with the Kerry Kamp shakeup, and the "Fortunate Son" effort, and in the introduction of Carville and Begala into the campaign, the go-ahead to proceed was given. Also note, they were sitting on this all year, and as SOON AS Kerry started sinking in the polls, they called up the chump Burkett!

Burkett has to protect Moore, as only in Moore's book does Burkett come across as having any sanity.

642 AngryDumbo  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:18:52pm

#632


Hillary wins in '08 by passing herself off as a pro-military social liberal versus her ultra right wing nut job challenger. Note that she has voted for the war and for the funding of the war and has recieved none of the flak that Senator Lieberman has. I'm still not convinced Kerry is going to lose.

643 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:21:58pm

# 642 AngryDumbo:

Hillary wins in '08 by passing herself off as a pro-military social liberal versus her ultra right wing nut job challenger.

If she campaigns again in a NYYankees ball cap, she's toast.

644 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:24:41pm

FFF Fertik (not P)
oops!
#641 evilscott
Ya know, I think all the names we have heard mentioned so far are NO ONEs.
Burkett, Ramirez...I think they are just the methods of delivery. The couriers or stooges that no one really cares about. Easy to flatten and who will care?
Maybe it will be a while before the surface is scratched deeply enough to see the people in the shadows, huh?

645 RBMN  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:27:28pm

From:
Lexa Doig - Biographical Information
[Link: www.tvtome.com...]

Guest Starring Roles

The Chris Isaak Show - Lucy Ramirez - Home of the Brave (2002)

646 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:28:32pm

#641
evilscott

"Lucy Ramirez is James Moore"

lucy morphed into james at the fair and put the papers in the box for bill...who then copied them in waco cause he's a WAACO...(this is the best part) burned the originals in kinko's parking lot...while phoning home like ET on his dick tracey wrist communicator

647 mommydoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:36:17pm

Bob with one O: I'm in the Springs, and come up to Denver quite frequently. How many other lizardoids are there here?

648 dustyroadguy  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:37:49pm

in addition burkett wants us to believe that after 5 years of trying to prove that bush did not follow orders 30 years ago etc, etc ,etc...that when presented "original" docuements that would validate his claims HE BURNED THEM... iii dddonnn't ttthhhinnnk sooo!

649 Evilscott  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:44:18pm

Greg Abbott needs to subpeona James Moore, Burkett, Conn, Bob Ferkit, and LUCY Shackelford asap.
Pretty sure Zach Exley is involved too.

650 monkeyweather  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 12:46:22pm

#648 dustyroadguy

hehe yeah - pretty silly huh? gone forever, something he has wanted to get his hands on for years :oP

651 freedomsound  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 1:02:18pm

RickZ, thanks, my mistake.

652 RickZ  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 1:14:58pm

# 651 freedomsounbd:

No problem. When I think of Star Trek, any version, I think of my mantra: "There are no Muslims on Star Trek. There are no Muslims on Star trek."

653 Havoc  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 1:33:14pm

Screw these lying LLL's.

Dig this -- Little League Baseball takes hold in Iraq.

654 'sugarcoat'  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 3:17:59pm

#38 rosh


You made me laugh, and I have to thank you for getting me to draw again. Here's Lucy

655 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 3:21:13pm

That damn Lucy Ramirez again? She is the one killed Jimmy Hoffa and Nicole Simpson too. That little devil makes trouble everywhere she goes.

656 'sugarcoat'  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 3:35:07pm
657 brinster  Tue, Sep 21, 2004 4:31:37pm

If the DUers fear W's reelection, and are contemplating leaving this country, well, all I gotta say is: "don't let the doorknob hit ya in the ass."

Also...the Watergate breakin took place during the '72 presidentail campaign. W's TANG service has been under a microscope since 2000. Nixon resigned in August, '74. It is now what year? Hmmm, these morons have been at this twice as long as the Watergate affair; and they won't let up after the election either. W will be hounded on this to the grave.

658 flyboy  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:01:12am

cherchez la femme. Where is Dan's daughter in all this? Doesn't she also live in Texas?

659 Portia  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:54:47am

Mommydoc, Bob with one O

Meetup in Denver sometime? I know there's someone named Walter also. How many more?

660 mark054  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 6:42:17am

Okay - so this Lucy Ramirez may or may not be a real person. Maybe Burkett just made her up. Maybe someone just made up the name and gave it to Burkett. Ramirez is a very common name. But let me just throw this out there to make matters more confusing ... or at least make people say "Hmmm"...

If you treat it as a cryptogram, where each letter represents another unique letter, here's what you get:

Lucy Ramirez - with records
Lucinda Ramirez - ignoble records (or ignoble reports)
LucyRamirez - mockingbird (the state bird of Texas)
Lucile Ramirez - chance ironies

Chance ironies? Hmmm, perhaps.
Ignoble records is certainly appropriate.
But personally I'm intrigued by "mockingbird" and the fact that the same name with and without the space gives "mockingbird with records."

Probably just a coincidence.


This entry has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

log in
Name:
Pass:

Register Forgot Your Password? My Account Re-send Confirmation (To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!)

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► LGF Hits

► Slideshows

► Resources

► Never Forget

► Statistics

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

► News/Opinion

  • Loading...

More Partners

Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.

The socks will be revealed.

Follow Lizardoid on Twitter

Save $5 off $50 at Kmart with code KMART5OFF50

 Frank says:

Another day, another sausage...

Tikatok Gift Cards - Capture your child&#39;s imagination . . . in a book!