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Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 8:47:49 pm PDT

Wired News, once the cutting edge of internet journalism, finally gets around to covering the Rathergate phenomenon: Blogging the Story Alive.

I was clicking through cable TV channels the other night looking for something (anything) to watch when I came across two guys sparring over “Memogate.” Had CBS News’ twangy elder, Dan Rather, fallen for phony memos that purported to show that President George W. Bush received preferential treatment and failed to fulfill his National Guard duty some 30 years ago?

Keeping with cable news custom, one guest was there to attack CBS, the other to defend Rather. Unfortunately, I only caught the tail end of their prickly exchange. But when the CBS apologist was asked about the role bloggers played in propelling the story to national scandal, he dismissed them as little more than journalist-wannabes, sitting in their underwear in front of their PCs, typing whatever thoughts/opinions/rants they had between trips to the refrigerator.

My first thought was if bloggers had no credibility then why was this guy on my television, defending CBS?

Unless you’ve been in seclusion without a TV, radio, internet connection or access to newspapers, you know what I’m talking about. On Sept. 9, Dan Rather, moonlighting on 60 Minutes II, claimed that then-Lt. Bush grabbed a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard by leaping past hundreds of applicants on a waiting list, and, once there, failed to meet minimum performance standards.

Rather relied heavily on copies of documents signed by Col. Jerry B. Killian, Bush’s National Guard commander. Of particular note was an Aug. 19, 1973, memo in which Killian complained of pressure to “sugarcoat” a Bush performance review after the future president skipped a required flight physical.

Almost immediately, right-wing blogs like Free Republic, Little Green Footballs and Power Line raised questions about the documents’ authenticity. They pointed out that the copies of the copies supposedly typed by Killian were actually in Times New Roman, the default typeface of Microsoft Word (first released in 1989, five years after the Texas National Guardsman’s death).

There were other incongruities: a superscripted “th” character after numbers like 19; the fact that memos listed a post office box and not a valid street address; the use of certain nonstandard National Guard abbreviations.

At first, Rather refused to consider the possibility that CBS had been duped, brushing off both journalists, who he called “the professional rumor mill,” and bloggers, whose “motivations” he questioned.

Feeling the heat, CBS produced experts to buttress its story, only to have them recant. Some claimed they had warned CBS about the documents. Others believed they had been misled or their findings misinterpreted. Meanwhile, the Associated Press retained its own expert who concluded the memos had most likely been word-processed. ABC, CNN, NBC, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post and USA Today weighed in on the growing media scandal — all of which prompted CBS to announce its own investigation. When the network couldn’t authenticate the four documents it used in the piece, and its source for the memos changed his story as to how he ended up with them, CBS News admitted to a “mistake in judgment.”

But if it weren’t for wild and wooly blogs — in this case, conservative ones — the story might have withered on the vine. They function as a vast, ad-hoc quality-control department, reflecting the entire political spectrum. Suddenly readers can (and do) subject reporters to unprecedented levels of scrutiny. Facts are analyzed and checked against their sources, quotes deconstructed, grammar parsed — all of this done in public view.

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1 addison  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:49:35pm

How 'bout that Charles? You're in charge of a Right-Wing blog.

2 Charles  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:51:32pm

That's how they're labeling me, in spite of my many attempts to correct it.

3 damital  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:52:27pm

You think Wired is slow... what about these guys?
An Evening At the DU

4 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:52:29pm

Charles, you should send them the FAQ ...
:-)

5 Sarah D.  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:53:33pm

We are all labeled...

Well, it's better than being labeled as a neo-nazi scumbag!

6 J.D.  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:54:42pm

All you have to do to be labelled 'right wing' these days is to go on record as supporting GWB. It's easy.

7 militarybrat  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:56:04pm

Charles:

Maybe you should take that political test on the other thread and post your score. Not that they would listen, but... Actually, don't listen to me at all. My score had me right by Nader.

Funny - I don't remember agreeing with him on anything...

8 rosh  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:56:24pm

I look forward to the next century with thist "vast, ad-hoc quality-control department"
Although it's pretty messy, it will serve to improve democarcy, and that's the first good news I've had since 2001.
And right now it may seem a little difficult to believe, but left-wing blogs -- there are some that aren't insane right? -- need to be part of this "vast, ad-hoc quality-control department."

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:56:46pm
10 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:58:03pm
11 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:58:48pm

Yaaawwwn. ZZZzzz.


Wired: LGF

Tired: Wired

12 rosh  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 6:59:04pm

Letterman's Top Ten tonight was about CBS's (lack of) credibility.
Number 1:
"Oh I dunno, stop making up crap?"

13 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:00:46pm

Breaking News From Wired: The ocean liner Titanic has struck an iceberg.

14 Mashiki  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:01:39pm

Charles: Media doesn't care, they label anything they want in anyway they can. Take a look at the word Hacker, it draws up negative ideas in 95% of people yet not all that long ago it was consider a highly regarded term in many circles. Then an attempt was made to evolve it, white/black/grey, etc...

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that we're going to get labeled no matter what. They don't care for accuracy, if the label fits it's good enough to print.

Anyway, IMHO Wired died many years ago...long live the new media.

15 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:03:11pm

This election will be the first time I vote Republican. How did I end up on a right wing blog? Ewww.

16 Bob24  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:12:22pm

Wired used to be great. But since the bubble burst, they've gone from being an avant-garde technology magazine to a pretentious pop-culture rag that occassionally makes some technology references for image's sake. Maybe I can't blame them too much, considering that a lot of other tech publications went out of business, but it's still a shame.

17 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:12:32pm
Wired News, once the cutting edge of internet journalism

It must be tough for that once trendy magazine to live in the mighty shadow of the Great Lizard.

18 ac halle  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:15:40pm

Well, 678 years after Rather was finally flipped into oblivion, wired comes to the rescue.
Sweet Jesus, click around and read some of the print attempts to catch up.
We are in the eye of a still mighty storm.
Be level, open and remember that tomorrow is just another frikkin' day.
But, man, the msm might as well be using the ouigi board to pull a story out of it's you-know-what.
Comedy is truly making a come back in these weird times.
Go to sfgate.com and read debra saunders plea to the unwired.
G'night.

19 Havoc  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:19:24pm

Charles -

Dick Morris article seems to hand bloggers a backhanded compliment. Though non-specific "the Internet".

20 Ariel  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:19:35pm

The good thing about Wired is that they cover technology-related issues that most normal publications are not interested in.

The bad thing about Wired is that, at least since last December, they've dedicated at least one major article (and often the front page) to the Democrat cause-du-jour. The first time I noted this was the Dean issue, right before his implosion, where they talked about how great his use of the Internet was. In the latest issue, they had an article about fixing the problems with elections - and one of the "problems" was the electoral college. They didn't do the least bit of research on why it might exist, just proposed a straight popular vote instead.

They also included a short, pithy piece on Schwarzenegger, I suppose to demonstrate that they're "balanced"; the article was basically devoid of content.

21 Teacake!  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:21:42pm

Our local talk radio station just recently began airing Don Imus (?)

I take it he is left, but he seems to be discusted with Kerry.

Anyhow, with this latest scandal, he made the comment... but what about the blogggers? What about their agenda?

Excuse me, but don't you need to actually have power and influence to have an agenda?

This whole affiar has become so twisted. For once it seems that THE PEOPLE have been heard and noticed by everyone and the media is having a fit. Left and right, they question the validity of bloggers who aren't leftys as if we are pusihng something, other than questioning and pointing out that the emperor has not clothes.

Lawd have mercy!

22 Orbit Rain  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:23:24pm
all of this done in public view.

amen...welcome to the power of tens, hundreds and thousands of people paying attention to, and deconstructing lies...

It's going to be hard to get by thousands of people with a keen interest in determining the truth, judging motivations and actions, words and deeds...

Rathergate is a great lead-in to deconstructing the rest of the MSM's deceptions...as they come along...I'll be using this bullshit CBS put on the air for a while.

23 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:24:27pm
they've gone from being an avant-garde technology magazine to a pretentious pop-culture rag that occassionally makes some technology references for image's sake.

That's giving them way too much credit. Their shtick got old after 3-4 years.

Stick with the tried and true Scientific American or Nature. MIT's Technology Review is also quite good:

[Link: www.techreview.com...]

24 armytramp  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:24:38pm

The only thing common to LGF'ers is that they are united in their resistance to Imperialist Islam...and no one likes that Dan Rather guy, either.

OT: India wants four more years of George Bush:

[Link: www.hindustantimes.com...]

25 mountb  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:24:40pm

Like Rather, I refuse to consider the possibility that CBS was duped ... because they intentionally ran with a bogus story that they believed would help throw the election to Kerry.


grrr!

26 Andrew B.  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:24:50pm

Wired is sooo last year. From now on it's LGF that's EN VOGUE...LOL

It's all the rage...

Tonight's runway models will be zulubaby, evariste and of course myself showing off our new line of pajamas...designed by yours truly.

;)

27 The Black Republican  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:27:44pm

You all are welcome to remain a part of the VastRightWingConspiracy as long as you can stand it - we charter members are glad to have you along for the ride. :-)

28 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:28:29pm
Wired is sooo last year.

Wired is sooo 1997.

29 The Archivist  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:30:04pm

Greetings to Charles and all:

Responding to the WIRED article, where it says

"Almost immediately, right-wing blogs like Free Republic, Little Green Footballs and Power Line raised questions about the documents’ authenticity."

Of course it was the conservatives! Too many liberals, in their eagerness to hear anything bad about the President, never bothered to think twice about the documents. The memos purported to prove what they wanted to believe, and that was the end of the matter. Why look twice?
Discernment, even-handedness and impartiality belongs to those who are willing to patiently explore and investigate matters, while the real losers are those who dismiss things out of hand or mindlessly accept what they are told.
Dan Rather's chutzpa is overshadowed only by the almost cultic blindness of many on the left It's truly scary.

The Archivist.

30 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:33:54pm
31 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:35:04pm

#26 Andew B.
Aisha would also fit right in! :-)

32 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:37:04pm
That's how they're labeling me, in spite of my many attempts to correct it.

Charles, do you think they'll ever listen to a reasonably competent computer enthusiast like yourself?

33 sli  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:38:31pm
34 zenbone  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:39:30pm

Er, Charles…

What are you wearing right now???!!!

35 Globular Cluster  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:47:18pm

OT:

My lefty friends are going absolutely apeshit about Jimmy Swaggart's recent comments on gays:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Evidently Republicans are the hate-crime party. I didn't know. Jimmy Swaggart = Republicans.

36 militarybrat  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:47:48pm

zenbone:

Well, I'm pretty sure that with the effects Charles has had on the world recently, at the very least he is wearing a smile. :)

Can I still be a pajamahadeen if I don't wear any? It sounds so dashing... like there are people with little microcomputers and ninja hats on rapelling down the side of the CBS building a la Mission Impossible.

37 pat  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:48:31pm

Ann Coulters' got a new column available at WND. Great line, to paraphrase re: CBS. 'The Democrats say we should move on, Which means were on to something.'
And you are all correct. I know nothing of your social beliefs. What we share is the belief in a strong National Defense and the realization that Islam is climbing out of it's hole and attempting to destroy the rational world.

38 Lizard#9  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:49:04pm

Sorry Charles, persistently trying to point out a mistake using reasoned arguments is a good way to get labeled a right-winger these days. Reflection of the times I guess.

39 Glen Wishard  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:49:41pm

addison:

How 'bout that Charles? You're in charge of a Right-Wing blog.

That aside, this article is at least an accurate representation of what happened. And the concluding paragraph is right on.

40 militarybrat  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:52:58pm

globular cluster:

Are your lefty friends also going apeshit over the anal rapes and abuses suffered by gay Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza?

I myself find that actions speak so much louder than words. I like to point out those discrepancies to people. But, it seems to make them want to hit me.

41 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:53:12pm

I am Right Wing and don't feel the least ashamed of it.

I am not even remotely racist and am in a mixed-race marriage myself.

Since 9/11 I have--like my fellow Canadian Mark Steyn--become intensely culturist. Not all Muslims are bad people but there is no question Islamism--especially the Arab variety--is deeply depraved and comparable to Nazism in scope and danger.

I believe the hard-core Left are extremely dangerous and that there may be great violence in the future as this latent dark ideology eats away at the moral fiber of the West.

Wired is not far removed from Salon. They are a lefty mouthpiece and would prefer to ignore Rathergate.

42 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:54:19pm
43 Glen Wishard  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 7:58:55pm

Uh, I should have said it was almost right on:

They function as a vast, ad-hoc quality-control department, reflecting the entire political spectrum.

There's no reason why the blogs couldn't reflect the entire political spectrum, but in this case they didn't.

The soft-liberal blogs mostly pretended that nothing was happening. The two leading liberal blogs (which are actually leftist) put on the biggest display of public stupidity since those idiots in Florence, Oregon tried to get a whale carcass off their tourist beach by blowing it up with half a ton of dynamite.

44 jaybird  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:00:04pm

I'm a little bit confused by some folk's objection to being labelled "conservative." Is it because you see yourselves standing up for truth, and are above being categorized as liberal or conservative? Or is it because you just resist labels altogether?

You aren't going to escape it if you come here to post, I'm sorry to say. FOX is indelibly marked as conservative and right-wing, when, for my money, I see them as pretty much down the middle. It's when they are compared to CNN or CNBC or CBS, et. al., that they seem to be conservative and right-wing. Likewise here. The thrust of what goes on here is seen as dominated by conservative and right-wing thought.

Besides, "conservative" is not a dirty word. It is a label, and I can understand resistance to labelling.

45 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:03:54pm

After the election the media will be asking "where did all these votes for Bush come from? Who are all these swing voters who voted republican?"

And we'll be standing here waving our arms in the air saying "we're right here! we've been telling you for months!"

And they'll probably say "la la la we can't heeeaar you" and then demand a recount.

46 Yehudit  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:07:31pm

OT: Another suicide bombing. In Jerusalem.

47 Long Hair Republican  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:11:18pm

LGF conservative? I take exception to that! LGF is not conservative. It is what the other side does not report.
I don't think Charles would like being called conservative...
LGF is a god send, it cut's through the crap.
LGF has the balls that other wish to have. That does not makes you conservative. That makes you a ture red blooded stars and bars American, and you don't have to be the Donkey or the Elephant to speak the truth in order to do what is right for this great country.

High five Chuck and all that you do!!!

48 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:14:58pm
I'm a little bit confused by some folk's objection to being labelled "conservative."

It's because we* aren't conservative. We are for a strong national defense. We are for taking the fight to the enemy instead of sitting here in denial, waiting for them to strike.

But on some issues, many of us are/were democrats for most of our adult lives. We are disgusted that the left wing has taken over the party and we are appalled at their behaviour. If the democrats want my vote back they have to apologize for embracing Michael Moore and for, well, I could list a zillion things. I'll probably never go back, but I'm still to the left of the republican party on many issues.

This is not a conservative blog. There are no posts about prayer, abortion, vouchers, etc. IMHO this is a war-on-terrorism blog.


*I'm speaking for myself, but I have read a lot of posts from other LGFers over the last two years expressing pretty much the same thing.

49 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:17:34pm

oh yeah, mostly we are for not being in denial about the nature of our enemy.

50 Yehudit  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:19:07pm

OT: Latest Kerry Policy of the Week. Also his usual charm and incisiveness.

51 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:20:03pm

# 44 jb

Read the FAQ re: labeling -- and/or try to throw a social issue into the discussion and watch the folks say "sh! Take it somewhere else!"
:-)

52 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:20:09pm

#48 Security Mom

It's because we* aren't conservative.

Yup. The first day I read this site, I found out reaganite is a left-wing nut. Since then, I noticed he actually is on the right of most of the posters. *Sigh*

53 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:20:59pm

# 52 M P

ROFL!

54 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:22:26pm

Yehudit,

That's awful. One more sign of their depravity: revving up activity for the holy days.

55 damital  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:24:07pm

#44 Jaybird

I'm a little bit confused by some folk's objection to being labelled "conservative."

I'm ticked because I am liberal. Or was, until somebody stole my identity and bought a boatload of bogus bs with my credit.

So, I had to change my name.

56 Rose  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:24:55pm

Wise up --CBS and MSM, it matters not whether we are sitting in our pyjamas or stark mother naked- there is an increasing number of us who do not need to buy a paper or watch 60 minutes to analyse the news of the day/week. We hear the headlines on radio and now instead of struggling through a paper and getting newspaper print all over our hands we head for our PCs and check all the most intelligent web sites to read and disseminate what came over the air waves.
We all, unfortunately, have not the had the good fortune to graduate through university or journalism college, however some of us have intellect, life skills, age, wisdom and experience of the real world, having not lived in the heady confines of the studio.
All this, does give many of us some perspective to absorb what is credible and what makes sense. We have TIME, especially we VERY youthful retirees intent on keeping our gray cells active for as long as possible.
I listen to some talk back and read the letter pages when I do purchase a paper- down to once a week for TV guide now. This medium however is not very satisfying when ones hears some of the 'good people' so many have never read past the sports pages imparting shallow oppinions and who may hold the balance of power. I pray that they are not representative of the silent majority,
The Blogs are absolutely wonderful- we learn so much from each other and in seconds we know that we are not so alone in our thoughts,
Very few of us can ever get 5 minutes to voice our opinions-then risk 'some' Radio Host who thinks his opinions more informed down talking some of the more intelligent callers.

In seconds of any news breaking, thousands of us rush to click into the www.

MSM HAS to realise we will not tolerate such partisan journalism and if they want this old girl back then they will have give EQUAL TIME to both side of politics and to drop the moral equivalence when reporting I don't think thats the word Iam loking for- but you get my drift

I do miss all the papers though -they make great compost and the worms love the news print so they do have some uses!
GO GEORGE W AND JOHN HOWARD

57 Jia Onuo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:25:47pm

Sad it is that the once great Democratic Party has been hijacked by extremists. This is the tactic of extremists, to destroy the middle ground.
Moderates are forced to join the camp of the far Left, the Deaniacs, Bushhaters, Moore afficianados, or leave the party. The 'Loyal Opposition' has been hollowed out.

I do not know how this can be remedied.
Watashi-wa gakusei des.

58 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:26:05pm

tangent: I heard Kerry on the radio today. He had a sore throat and with that slow dull speaking style he sounded like he was down for the count. I wish it were Nov 1.

59 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:28:43pm

Just one question Charles,

Boxers or Briefs?

I heard "tighty whiteys" are whats in for right wingers.

60 toonman  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:30:09pm

#59

Does that make me a left-winger?

61 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:35:33pm

#58 Security mom

I heard Kerry on the radio today. He had a sore throat and with that slow dull speaking style he sounded like he was down for the count.

I hope he keeps that cold until Sept. 30th (first debate)and beyond.

62 Troy Rochford  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:37:07pm

58 security mom

tangent: I heard Kerry on the radio today. He had a sore throat and with that slow dull speaking style he sounded like he was down for the count.

If he gets his ass kicked in the debate 9/30, he will be.

63 zombie  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:37:28pm
right-wing blogs like Free Republic, Little Green Footballs and Power Line

Don't these people pay attention to my proclamations? I've already announced -- how long ago was it? A year? -- the end of the left-wing/right-wing dichotomy. That way of thinking is over, folks. Pay attention, Wired and everyone else who refuses to let go of the past: there is no such thing as left-wing or right-wing anymore. All the old alliances and categories and political definitions were obliterated on 9-11-01. As I once said: to claim allegiance to the Left or the Right in 2004 is like saying you prefer the Plantagenets over the Lancastrians. You're taking sides in a battle that was over long ago. Like Charles, I was a lifelong self-described liberal (actually, liberal is way too mild a term). Now I hang out here and call for the destruction of Islam. Have I changed? No. The world changed around me. The only way to defend my airy-fairy "liberal" beliefs is to defeat the greatest force of ultra-conservative totalitarianism in the world today: Islam.

Fingers tired. /rant off

64 piglet  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:38:15pm


What wired doesnt know is the next big step in artificial intellegence/computing is not silicon based but based on bio-organic tech. A huge pool of cpu's is fermenting on a kibbutz in the negav as we speak. And the byproduct of producing these living computers is a hot fluid that only tastes great, but is believed by many to be a cure for the common cold.

65 The Hardcore One  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:43:20pm

21--

Imus is "independent" (his words, not mine)...backed Bush in 2000, Dole in 1996, and Bubba in 1992...pretty much all over the map...then again, he didn't start as a pundit before 1992...mostly dealt with schtick and a lot of NY sports scene stuff (his flagship is WFAN in New York, which is like THE sports station in this area).

Then again, I stopped listening for the most part after 2000...wasn't as funny as it was in the old days I guess (pre-MSNBC & the punditry).

---
Back to the topic of the thread:

I've mostly lurked on this site for a while..posting once in a while (more like once in a blue moon), and if anything, the characterization by Wired that LGF is "conservative" is kinda short-sighted on their part.

Some us are Democrats. Some of us (like myself) are Republicans. We also have Libertarians, Independents, etc., etc., ad infinitum. But, we all agree on the fact that WoT is THE issue.

Sure, I want to see the economy do a little better, have healthcare taken care of, and a bunch of other things settled...but they all take a back seat when you have a bunch of jihadis wanting to kill us, no matter what our political ideas are...

That's something the LLLs missed...the jihadis don't care if you like Bush or Kerry or whatever...they just want us dead. Plain and simple.

The other side will never wake up to that fact.

It's like The Matrix...

Some were and are quite happy in the dream while we here woke up to the reality.

Hope this made SOME sort of sense LOL.

66 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:45:59pm

#60
some swing left...and some swing right...

67 Jia Onuo  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:48:24pm

A brilliant projection of how the Memogate will play out, at the Weinerlog. Genius.

CBS and Kerry are utterly trapped. You can almost hear it. :)

Game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? --Aliens
68 pat  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:50:17pm

Zombie
Hmmm... Destuction of Islam? You mean all of it? The Mullahs. The silly asses with the beards and burnt out eyes. The morons who use small pruning saws to behead defenseless people? The insanely happy congegrations that reveal in the death of everyone with an IQ above 70? ...OK...I'll run with that.

69 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 8:56:32pm
We have TIME

I hope you're not referring to that vile rag that published a puff piece about the Iraqi insurgents one week and then had the unmitigated GALL to name the American soldier the 'Person of the Year' as a vehicle to rip into the current administration THE VERY NEXT WEEK.

Or are you just referring to the mere passage of time?

70 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:00:02pm

#65

I am also a Repub. Doesn't mean I have always agreed with the entire party line or that I haven't voted for Dems in the past. However, I have found more to agree with on the right than the left...especially in past years.

We can discuss jobs, healthcare, SS or whatever.
If we are all dead---doesn't matter much, now does it?
The Dems, with few exceptions, want to reason with the terrorists animals, (nope, that is an insult to the animal kingdom)...terrorists things and get the approval the the UN.

Aside: Had a Dem neighbor tell me today that other countries are over overwhelmingly for Kerry. His reasoning=therefore we should all for for Kerry so the world will love us.
Does that mean we all get to pick the next president of France?

71 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:00:53pm

Sorry if this is OT or has been posted before people:
3 Israelis Murdered by Terrorist Gunfire

72 zombie  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:03:29pm
#68 pat
Zombie
Hmmm... Destuction of Islam? You mean all of it?

I mean destruction of Islam as a thought process or philosophy. Not necessarily the "destruction" of the adherents of Islam. We (pretty much) destroyed Nazism in Germany between '45 and about '52 without killing every single German. As for Islam: Kill some of the leaders and extremists, if needed, deprogram the rest through social pressures and enlightenment.

Alternately, we could just nuke everything between Morocco and Pakistan.

73 MichelefromLA  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:03:55pm

"he dismissed them as little more than journalist- wannabes, sitting in their underwear in front of their PCs..."

Oh then I'll be right at home here since I'm wearing my sheer, black Victoria Secret teddy - tautly pulled acrossed my pert breasts.

"typing whatever thoughts/opinions/rants they had between trips to the refrigerator."


And holding a cold canister of whipped cream between my tan, tight thighs...ready to rant.

Hey, if LGFers are journalist "wanna-bes" who uncovered important information, even though the "experienced" journalists over-looked the information... I'm really confused.

Oh, hell I'm getting all hot and bothered - I'm taking this teddy off at slipping into a cold bath.

74 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:05:02pm

#71 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)

The three dead are soldiers, BTW. They died to keep my neighbors safe. Keep them in your prayers.

75 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:05:36pm
76 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:06:12pm

Oh then I'll be right at home here since I'm wearing my sheer, black Victoria Secret teddy - tautly pulled acrossed my pert breasts.

WOW!!!
I am a believer in blogs

77 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:13:41pm
78 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:16:53pm
79 RebTex  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:19:47pm

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'm AMERICAN!!! True NATIVE AMERICAN in my roots.
I proudly wore the uniform of the U. S. ARMY.
I gladly globe trotted for MY country.
And I'm smart enough to vote for the future I worked for.
Names and "tags" won't matter much if We don't make the right choice!
And, as I've said before, I'll eat cat sh*t before I'll bow to islam!
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Oh and Thanks Michele from L A
Now I need a shower TOO!!!

80 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:20:08pm

#78 Rayra

Got any eye-straining graphics to go with it?

Will this do?

81 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:21:03pm
82 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:22:50pm

I can't look at Dan Rather. Why does he still have a job?

83 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:24:19pm
84 winemaker  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:24:43pm

joe bob says, check it out:

[Link: www.scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com...]

85 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:25:59pm

#82 zulubaby

I can't look at Dan Rather. Why does he still have a job?

Because between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur every person is entitled to a temporary reprieve. We would do well to take a breather from our relentless pursuit of justice and redirect our efforts towards serious introspection - if only for 10 days.

On the other hand, we don't have to like it.

86 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:29:57pm

#72 zombie
Just need a few of those "Bunker Busting Nukes" to flush them out of there holes...

87 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:30:33pm
88 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:31:29pm

US blasts PA on attack probe

Almost a year later. Ridiculous. But this article has some funny bits. Specifically, Arafat losing his mind.

Referring to Dahlan's demands for reforms in the PA, Arafat asked: "Which reforms is he talking about? Do they include attacking security installations and other PA institutions? Dahlan should be the last to talk about corruption because we are prepared to open his file, which consists of names and figures. I don't know why Dahlan is in a rush to become president."

He then went on to accuse Dahlan of being a drug dealer and an ignorant man. LOL.

89 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:31:56pm

Mr Pol, so he'll be fired on Sunday?

90 Lizard#9  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:32:08pm

Before 9/11 I was a big fan of the Democrats. To this day I think Bill Clinton was a great president for the times. Economy was great, world was decently peaceful, and Clinton was very entertaining. Nobody took terrorists that seriously. They were just bad guys who Schwarzenegger or Norris kicked the crap out of in their movies. But after 9/11 it became deadly serious. "A chunk of New York is gone, and the Pentagon is burning! Are they mad!? There is a reason terrorists don't pull this *!#$ on the homeland!" The serious consequences that Bush metioned at the UN are but a fraction of the total consequences. For the moment, Democrats just aren't speaking my language. My priorities are War, Serious Energy Independance, and a smallish deficit (in that order). The economy is robust enough to take care of itself as long as we're not paying interest on $12trillion, paying $5.00 for gas, or photographing mushroom clouds on the east coast. I wish the Democratic Party would regrow its brain someday soon, because until they do they only leave me one choice.

91 Dan Dare  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:33:06pm

OT

Oh how I love this photo (WARNING: Language):

Marines' Review of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11

92 jaybird  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:34:10pm

Is LGF not conservative? There are so many posters to respond to here who responded to my original post, that addressing each one individually is not practical, so I will just make a few points and try to sort of broad-brush it.

I read the FAQs. The FAQs are good. But I look at what people actually do as much as, if not more than, how they describe what they themselves do. It's similar to assessing the people that one interacts with daily on a face-to-face basis. Hearing how people describe themselves -reading their resumes- is fine, but observing, if you can, more than their manicured public persona, and delving into their private persona, their other public acts, and their private acts, are all grist for the mill that informs as much or more.

I'm sure that there are some former liberal Democrats out there who believe that their party deserted them as it has moved steadily leftward, but who refuse to call themselves "conservative" or refuse to join the Republicans. Certainly there are such people. But there aren't that many. If you are one of those, great. But you are not part of some big mass movement.

I can understand the desire to not devolve into the morass of social issues. Most of these issues are insoluable on a political level, and they won't be solved by arguing about them. People just end up shouting past each other, and then name-calling. The problem, IMHO, was governmental interference into the what were, and should have remained, private matters n the first place (but, hey, that's the 'conservative' in me talking) - sorry. Deciding to not talk about them isn't an anti-conservative viewpoint. Simply a practical decision.

The fact of the matter is that by an overwhelming majority the following-described folks are conservatives, whether they choose to say so about themselves or not: people that support the US, that support the US military, that support the US in the War on Terror, that detest, loathe, and otherwise bad-mouth Michael Moore, et. al., and people who take umbrage with the 'blame America first' mentality of the left. And, people who take these positions are going to be labelled conservative by others, and the fact that they refuse to discuss social issues won't be factored in at all by those doing the labelling. And there's nothing you can do about it.

Resisting labels is fine, if that's what one wants to do. I do it myself sometimes, mainly because it rankles to be presumed to be thus and so on the basis of a label. But to think that resisting labels as a general proposition in and of itself makes a statement about one's belief systems that others can decipher and understand, especially when it comes to modern partisan politics, probably amounts to merely a contrarian and iconoclastic philosophy than anything else, and that would therefore become the label you are courting.

I don't mean to criticize. I guess what it comes down to is that I just don't care that much what other people think about me when it comes to my beliefs and politics, and I don't understand people who do care that much.

93 resize  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:34:23pm

HA HA HA! Hey did anyone see that episode last night where Lucy got this loving cup stuck on her head? I wish they would hurry and come out with color-ized TV.


(sarcasm-off)

94 fat.elvis  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:34:26pm

I still like Wired and I still subscibe to it. It's one of the better magazines out there. They have a political columnn by so-and-so somebody can't-remember-his-name that's always mildly boring and feels somewhat irrelevant.

But I feel somewhat bad for them but... VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR...errr... BLOG(EO?) KILLED THE MEDIA STAR.

Still a pretty cool magazine overall. And I've yet to see a blog that matches the genius writers of Car and Driver... waiting... waiting. Those guys were blog before blog was cool.

95 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:34:32pm

#89 zulubaby

Mr Pol, so he'll be fired on Sunday?

I hope he'll be fired on Monday.

96 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:39:19pm

Mr Pol, Monday is fine.

I can't watch Hannity & Colmes because of Colmes.

97 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:41:41pm

Mapes is the one I want to see canned.
Personally, I don't mind hearing about Rather squirming for a time.

98 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:44:34pm

#96 zulubaby

Shut down the babblebox and grab a book :-)

99 The Hardcore One  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:46:58pm

70

Totally agreed and I'm the same way...just b/c I registered as a Republican doesn't mean I'm in lock-step with all the policies (glaring example was the proposed Defense of Marrage Amendment. Felt it's going a tad too far...I'm perfectly comfy with civil unions for same-sex couples...and besides, I'm one of those types that thinks tinkering with the Constiution isn't a great idea unless it's for a damn good reason...).

As for that neighbor of yours, screw world opinion...all I want out of a president this time around is someone that's willing to fight the fucks on the Arab Street than have em fighting us on 42nd St/Pennsylvania Ave/Rodeo Drive/Any Street In Any Major US City...

100 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:48:38pm

Mr Pol, LOL, I actually was reading and just put the tv on now :-)

101 The Hardcore One  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:54:36pm

as for Mapes and Gunga Dan...

When left of center papers like the Hartford Courant are calling for your heads on a silver platter, it's time to update the ol' resume...or cash in that 401K.

Personally, I'd like to see Mapes get canned and sell-out Rather and whoever else from Kamp Kerry/DNC is connected to this debacle...but I think there's a better chance of the NHL actually playing a meaningful game this season than THAT happening...

One can dream, though...

102 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 9:55:28pm

#99 Hardcore

Neighbor believes all the Dem propaganda. Thinks Bush will get us all killed with WWIV.
Doesn’t seem to grasp the fact that we were attacked and they are out to kill all of us. Seems to believe if we just play nice and leave them alone…..all will be well.
He (neighbor) retired early and comes over often for coffee and to chat. Other than being a LLL, he is a nice neighbor ;) LOL
There is never a visit where we don't try to change the others mind. When my husband comes in and it is two against one OR he can't come up with a good counter-attack, he always finds it is time to leave. *wink*

P.S. I always turn on FOX when he comes in and catch him listening. He is a CNN watcher.

103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:03:03pm

People, nukes are not the answer.

Wait till mid-late spring, introduce mosquitos with particulary nasty strains of malaria or encephalitis into the region (Of course Swine Flu would be best against the Jihadis, poetic justice). Between their lack of hygeine and inadequate medical facilities, and factor in a few rumors about Western medical supplies being tainted (rumors started by us of course), and the numbers will thin rapidly. Meanwhile, our troops and other friendly forces can be innoculated against the attack. Jihadis will be so busy shitting thems to death, our forces can mop up with little problem.

See, no nukes at all needed.

104 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:07:07pm

Angry white men -- gotta love them.

105 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:09:08pm

I have given up on trying to change the minds of my LLLiberal friends and family. I always seem to change the subject as soon as politics comes up. It seems that they are so in "lock step" with whatever the talking points are that CNN,MSNBC,ABC,CBS,NBC ect. ect. ect. are spewing out, that there is no hope for them. It doesn't matter how much truth you share with them, they just don't get it. Maybe I have given up tooo easily.

All said...I am now proud of being a Brief wearing Right Wing Conservative...

106 Lizardoid Minion #32603  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:10:08pm

#92 jaybird

How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

Abraham Lincoln

107 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:10:13pm

I should explain that WWIV comment.
Neigbhor believes we are in WWIII now because the entire world hates us and, of course, Bush's fault---and once reelected, it will escalate to IV.

#103

What, no salmonella?

108 rosh  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:12:01pm

I'm up late playing with graphics -- feel free to grab this and use however you like
From the Desk of Lucy Ramirez

109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:15:14pm

#107 glwing

ingested agent, cant count on them eating it. using bombs of rockets or sprays would give them warning and can be avoided. Using a natural biological vector of infection is 1) self sustainig 2) covert and 3) deniable.

110 Max Darkside  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:17:04pm

Absolutely and completely OFF TOPIC (more than just OT):

If you are in the USA, go buy Twinkies to save an American Tradition:
Twinkies Maker Seeking Ch. 11 Protection

Besides, low fat, like abortion, is a conspiracy to enjoy the pleasures without the consequences [snicker]

/public service announcement

111 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:17:12pm
112 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:17:43pm
113 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:18:12pm

#109 kragar

Got it!!! LOL
Sounds like a plan to me.
Can we add West Nile virus mosquitos as well?

114 glwing  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:23:27pm

zulu, link won't work. Not for me anyway.

115 zulubaby  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:27:29pm

glwing, try this one.

116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:29:28pm

113 glwing

best to avoid agents which already have a history in the region. Natural antibodies will prevent them from having the desired effect. Think conquistadores in the new world. Diseases which no longer affected them ravaged the native population. Fast forward to today, global travel, plus the porous nature of the borders, combined with the covert traveling of the jihadis, a new disease could enter the region from any number of places.

117 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:32:25pm
118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:35:31pm

Rayra

You get my email yesterday?

119 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:36:38pm

#116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I guess it would be appropriate payback for the introduction of West Nile in the U.S.

But how do you control it? You wouldn't want whatever disease you introduce to come back home with a tourist...

120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:42:30pm

#119 Mr.Pol

Not a big tourism boom in the areas in question right now, but...

Most weapon grade biological agents produced in the west are produced in conjunction with an antidote/vaccine for use on your own troops. We would already be able to innoculate our forces, plus be sure any other could come to us for the treatment. Course, we would have intel checking and detaining those we wanted to talk to more.

In the end, to prevent further spread, a series of fuel air bombs could be used to "sterilize" the infected regions, or use of DDT/chemical spray. Anyone left in the region would be warned to leave thru designated routes (where once again, persons of interest would be detained) to prevent the spread, anyone else staying or running could be engaged as either terrorists on the run or a possible disease vector.

121 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:42:57pm
122 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:43:57pm

Nukes are much easier...not to forget, much faster than biological agents...

123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:47:49pm

#122 hu4ted

And much messier to clean up and contain, plus can render huge areas unusable for generations. I for one would like to be able to turn Jordan and Syria back into Greater Israel than have a glowing pile of slag sitting on Israel's doorstep and over the oil fields.

124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 10:53:32pm

#121 Rayra

g2g. Lemme know if you need anything else. The fuckers banned my home PC (digitial cable, hard IP, so cant pull a release/renew). Ought to start a group up for people like me, get banned locally, help another lizard somewhere else.

Oh well, in a evil mood tonight. Realized I have 3 days and not 10 to get ready for a competition and busy as hell.

125 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:05:47pm

#120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most weapon grade biological agents produced in the west are produced in conjunction with an antidote/vaccine for use on your own troops.

One word: mutation.

We would already be able to innoculate our forces, plus be sure any other could come to us for the treatment.

Nope. Once the word is out that the US has a treatment, that would have to be delivered for free to the whole region. Either you shut the fuck up and that's too bad for whoever catches it, or it's a waste of time and resources.

#118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
#121 Rayra

Now I'm curious...

126 RayH  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:07:58pm

#109 Kragar
You're idea sounds good, but are you talking about a genetic modification to carry a specific diasese? I don't think we would want to do that. I'm thinking of the
africanized bees out of South America. Wouldn't want to see them spreading around the world. Major disaster.
Be better if they couldn't breed and a had a short life cycle. We could always make up more in the lab.
But for myself, I think we should come up with a type of pork bomb. Along the lines of napalm. Drenches them in flaming pork fat and kills them. I think that would get their attention.

127 piglet  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:17:09pm

All this talk about bio warefare is unproductive and sure to be quoted on indy media. Now if we let all the students at MIT and Cal tech build battle bots, and then let them control them over the internet, we could be chopping up jihadies with robots weilding chainsaws and blow torches etc. Then we could get the bots mass produced and let hundreds of thousands of average americans go online and bag a baathest.

128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:23:50pm

#125 Mr Pol

You missed it in my earlier post. You know what happened in Nigeria with the polio vaccines? Rumor got started if you got it, you were sterilized. The muslims refused to take the vaccine, leading to the current resurrgence of polio in the region. So if a vaccine was made available, a few hints here and there, and we could make it available all we wanted, the chances are, many still wouldn't take it.

129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:26:19pm

#127 piglet

bah, they pick up on the "nuke the region" lines anyways. To quote their hero, "Screw them". Studied NBC in the Marines and just like to BS about it once in a while. Free speech and all that hullaballoo.

130 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:29:10pm
131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:31:50pm

#130 Rayra

Might be moving to a new place soon anyways, so just gonna stick with what I got. I can still bug em from work, which gives me a ton of IPs to use, just cant get em all the time.

132 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:33:22pm
since those idiots in Florence, Oregon tried to get a whale carcass off their tourist beach by blowing it up with half a ton of dynamite

Seems to me nukes and hogs might work out, pork fallout all over the middle east.

133 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:33:39pm
134 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:37:27pm
135 hu4ted  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:39:37pm

What is the wing speed of the African Swallow???

136 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:43:48pm
137 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:45:20pm
138 Mr Pol  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:45:36pm

#133 Rayra

This one should do...

139 doxblogg  Wed, Sep 22, 2004 11:59:26pm

#136

I just watched The Last Starfighter the other day...

140 RayH  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 12:04:04am

Rayra
Life cycle is too long for most species, from what I gather. 2 weeks maybe 3 depending on species.
I believe they are related to flies. And don't live that long.

141 David2  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 12:45:26am

CBS...our ruling class. They serve until they die. You can make them uncomfortable but you can't get rid of them. All of them. Including their relatives in other organisations. The Hapsburgs of America.

142 Morgan  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 1:32:55am

OT

Exceptional piece from Ralph Peters in today's New York Post:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

"In WWII, broadcasts from Tokyo Rose in Japan and from Axis Sally in Germany warned our troops that their lives were being squandered in vain, that they were dying for big business and "the Jew" Roosevelt.

Today, we have a presidential candidate, the conscienceless Sen. John Kerry, doing the work of the enemy propagandists of yesteryear.

Is there nothing Kerry won't say to win the election? Is there no position he won't change? Doesn't he care anything for the sacrifices of our troops in Iraq?

And if he does care about our soldiers and Marines, why is he broadcasting remarks that insist — against all hard evidence — that the terrorists are winning?"

143 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 1:43:42am

Two Qassam missiles from Gaza Strip strike a school and apartment building in Israeli town of Sderot. Casualties reported in second hit.

144 nimslight  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 1:58:13am

#48 Security Mom

you may be right about that. what I see is we have two liberals running for President.
Kerry has a history of anti-war activities, and now says he would not have gone to war with Iraq. Bush the other liberal is for the war. I am for the war, that is why for the first time I am going to vote for a liberal

145 chickenlips  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:26:57am

OT:

Kerry & Edwards don't even bother to show up for Porter Goss nomination
Misses yet another vote

146 leezard  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:32:48am

#3 damital - That was actually kinda comical! I can't tell who is blatantly lying and who is has just gone off the deep end over there, anymore.

#25 mountb - I'm tending to agree with you, there.

147 David 'Parisian Insider'  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:34:19am

Completely OT:
More dhimmitude from Europe: a British based Muslim group called 'Pro Hijab' is initiating a campaign at the European Parliament, Brussels, to force Fwance to 'reconsider' its law banning religious signs in schools.
We'll see how many good Eurocraps will sign it. I would not be surprise there are many...

148 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:39:30am
149 David 'Parisian Insider'  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:39:45am

And again:
Three Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza settlement raid

Fortunately, they got 3 bastards.

150 rosh  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:47:16am
Fatal Car Crashes Increase in Israel After Terror Attacks

Fatal car crashes spike dramatically in Israel three days after a terrorist attack, a new study finds.

This suggests the countless attacks in recent years may be having a widespread impact on Israeli society due to heightened stress.

To measure the attacks' effects, researchers looked at traffic accidents and found that fatal crashes increased by 35 percent three days after the attacks. After severe attacks, fatal accidents increased even more, according to the report in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


Yahoo

151 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:48:28am

#52 Mr Pol

The first day I read this site, I found out reaganite is a left-wing nut. Since then, I noticed he actually is on the right of most of the posters. *Sigh*

Whatis about me being in NYC this week? Twice since I've been here I've been accused of being Left Wing.

152 ördög Johnson  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:51:12am

Dunno, BW is so... 20th century.

Anyway, we (mankind) are due for another outbreak similar to Spanish Flu of 1917 fairly soon, probably within a decade. A lot of people have weakened i-b responses due to overuse of drugs, mainly in the West.
Sorry, that's just the way things are. We live in interesting times.

Back to warfare. The main issue, as I see it, is that Islam may be contained to some degree by different means, but it it costly in resources and time. Nothwithstanding its propensity to acquire a virulent form just at the cusp when the rest of the humanity would rather peacefully mind their own business. It is in essence parasitic ideological system, so this tendency is inate to it.

The best course then, is to eradicate it completely, so the recurrency of the virulent form would simply not occur as it would not have any precursor.

Both Nuke and Bio types of warfare have a long list of liabilities that it would seem reasonable to leave them as options of last resort.

So what is left then?

At the moment, there is not anything that can be utilized to achieve the goal stated above. Yet.

There are some technologies that at the moment are not coherently integrated to be useful for the stated goal. However, probably within a decade or 15 years, it may be possible to bring it all together to create "deux ex machina" replacement epiphany. On a mass scale.

The tiny leftover that would be imprevious to the replacement event (RE) would die out in a couple of generations, or may be dispatched by conventional means which would be a reasonable price to pay in order to remove any traces of the parasitic ideology for good.

I don't want to point out what the core technologies involved in the RE may be, and how they may be integrated to be effective, for obvious reasons--it may only work well if there is no reasonable suspicion that any technology is involved. (Can't say no more! :-) )

Meanwhile, there are some issues that need to be resolved fairly soon, Iran acquiring nukes is probably the first on the list.

There is still unknown number of variables between now and 2019 (plausible date for RE) that could change the course of future in unpredicatble ways, that goes without saying.

153 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:52:48am

#148 American Infidel

This reminds me... Remember all those jokes about the EU and the banana curving standard? Have a look at the UN fresh fruit standards here. Or maybe the four UN standards for pistachio nuts here will make you laugh. The whole UNECE website is funny.

154 hu4ted  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:53:56am
Boxers or Briefs?

Post #59

the true test of a left winger or a right winger...

155 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:54:09am

Reaganite:

Admit it. You are really a snot-nosed 16 year old kid in his mother's basement blogging in between playing video games. You've had us fooled all this time.

/tongue firmly planted in cheek

btw. Good morning.

156 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:54:58am

#154 -

or thong?

157 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:57:40am

#155 Bernadette

Admit it. You are really a snot-nosed 16 year old kid in his mother's basement blogging in between playing video games. You've had us fooled all this time.

What I wouldn't give to be 16 again...

Good morning.

Well, with my whacked out schedule, it would be good evening, good evening to you too!

158 hu4ted  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:59:50am

Thong...that is what Kerry was wearing when he was wind surfing...

159 J.D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 2:59:51am

We got a CAIR condemnation of beheading letter today. Did y'all get yours? Second entry.
[Link: www.kentucky.com...]

160 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:01:10am

#158 hu4ted

Thong...that is what Kerry was wearing when he was wind surfing...

He can get away with it, he has no balls...

161 hu4ted  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:02:12am

Great political add by the way...

162 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:02:14am

Reaganite:

If you've been accused of being left-wing in NY, it makes me wonder what kind of crowd you've been hanging out with - that you would be to the left of them. Obviously those who accuse don't know you very well - and should be warned to watch out!


I'm not sure I want to be 16 again. I think it's different for us gals. Plus, don't know how many 16 year old girls you've seen lately, but the majority of the one's I've seen, I wouldn't let near my sons. Of course as a 16 year old male, these days, seems like the pickings would be easy.

How many hours before you are reporting back today? How can you sleep during the day - in a hotel at that?

I would imagine the noise keeps you from resting.

163 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:04:57am

#151 reaganite

What is about me being in NYC this week? Twice since I've been here I've been accused of being Left Wing.

Accused? Why use this word? There's nothing wrong in being a left-wing nut. :-)

Jokes aside, most people on this board, including you, have somewhat left-of-center opinions on most sujects. There aren't any far-right posters and very few real conservatives, gay-bashing, racism and bigotry are not tolerated, and the most heated religious discussions I've seen were between Orthodox and Reform Judaism. Frankly, right-wing posters are so few they should be a protected species on this board.

164 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:05:26am

I have a pretty good story to tell about thong underwear...

A few years back I was in a pretty bad car accident. Drunk driver hit me and the hubby head on. This may be TMI, but I had been wearing thong underwear that day, but when I got home from work, I changed into traditional underthings.

I joke that it's a good thing I changed, because you know what your mom says about clean underwear (never know when you'll be in an accident)?

The only reason the trauma team saved my life was because when they cut my clothes off in the ER they saw I was wearing good girl underwear.

ha ha.

165 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:05:30am

OT

Will Jimmy Carter please just shut up already?

Why does he still get press?

"As much as any president in history, I was afflicted psychologically and politically by the holding of American hostages," Carter said. "So my heart goes out to all those who are involved in a similar crisis, particularly the Hensley family."

Right, and I'll bet he's glad the practice of beheadings didn't crank up while his hostage situation was going on...

"The overwhelming issue in this country is the Iraqi war and the war against terrorism and who can address those problems more wisely and more honestly," Carter said. "I think that's the issue that Kerry has to pursue, because, in my opinion, President Bush has not been honest with the American people and has certainly failed in almost everything he professes to be doing in Iraq and in Afghanistan, unfortunately."

As opposed to his fine handling of terrorism, and kissing of N. Koreas ass?

(blech)

166 Luigi  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:06:22am

159 J.D.

From the story you found:

"We condemn this heinous murder and repudiate those who deviate from authentic Islamic teachings by committing brutal acts of violence in the name of religion. We call on people of all faiths and cultures to stand with us, united against extremist ideologies which contradict the teachings and message of Islam."


When will the arrogance and denial be challenged?

167 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:06:58am

Mr. Pol

How do you define right-wing?

168 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:07:50am

#162 Bernadette
I've been accused of being left wing by people on LGF! As for NYC, my uniform gives me away, the L³ gives us a lot of space!

How many hours before you are reporting back today? How can you sleep during the day - in a hotel at that?

11 hours. Not well...

I would imagine the noise keeps you from resting.

Well, besides the fire alarm drills, the construction across the street, the sirens, no drinking, and the maids who don't understand what "Do Not Disturb" means not too bad! :-Þ

169 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:09:39am

Sarah D.

Carter forgets that he was 'afflicted' with starting those whole terrorism problem by not taking care of the Ayatollah and hostage situation during his presidency. Thank you Mr. Carter for your contribution to history.

170 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:10:24am

#163 Mr Pol

There's nothing wrong in being a left-wing nut.

You haven't met my family...

171 Digger  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:10:29am
172 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:12:01am

#167 Bernadette

How do you define right-wing?

That's an easy one. Opposed to any kind of taxation and to running deficits (which means willing to do without gov't intervention in almost everything), and supporting 'traditional' moral values.

173 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:12:59am

#164 Bernadette

I have a pretty good story to tell about thong underwear...

Can I tell the story of the asian diplomat that went through our check point today wearing see through white pants and a thong? :-Þ

174 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:13:13am

#170 reaganite

Good point :-)

175 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:13:58am

#173 reaganite

Male or female?

176 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:14:54am

#172 Mr. Pol:

The traditional Libertarian view? I'm not sure what category I fit into, if I do. I'd like to think I'm an independent thinker. I'm think I'm a fiscal moderate and a social conservative. Mixed with being a Catholic, I guess I don't exactly fit a specific mold.

177 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:15:04am

#165 Sarah D.

Will Jimmy Carter please just shut up already?

Two of my guys had to do a trip for Dhimmi last week. They had to use tequila to kill the thoughts...

178 J.D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:15:35am

#166 Luigi

When will the arrogance and denial be challenged?


Never, in that rag.

#173 reaganite
So, he had no balls either?

179 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:15:57am

#177 Reaganite

LOL

180 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:16:40am

OT: the three soldiers killed today near Morag were 22 years old captain Tal Berdugo (z''l), 21 years old chief sergeant Nir Sami (z''l) and 20 years old chief sergeant Israel Lotati (z''l). I grieve for their families, knowing they died to protect my home and my neighbors.

181 dejal  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:17:15am

My Wired subscription is running out soon. I swear I get a plea from them to re-up for a buck an issue every 2 - 3 weeks. I've thrown the last 4 or 5 issues right into the trash without even reading them.

It may be that I'm getting too old (I'm 47) or that the Conde-Nast mindset has taken over. I leaning toward the later.

182 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:17:16am

#175 Sarah D.

Male or female?

You are evil! She was very female!

183 Luigi  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:18:21am

Whenever there is a pleading for the life of a hostage, those attempting to reason with the terrorists are always quoted saying the hostage was only in Iraq to help the Iraqi people to live a better life in a more stable country. Well, guess what? The perps know that! They's why they want to kill them!

184 add925  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:18:42am

Finally, WOIO Cleveland, OHIO posts their station manager's call for Rath to resign.

For those of you who don't know, Cleveland is the last great inland empire for the LLL. This is not insignificant, especially close to the election.

[Link: woio.com...]

185 J.D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:18:44am

Oh. Never mind.

186 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:19:24am

Did anyone catch Hannity and Colmes on Fox last night? I was listening on Satellite radio, so didn't actually SEE what was happening. Peggy Noonan was asked point blank by Alan Colmes if she though Rather was attempting to influence the election. Bottom line is yes, Peggy Noonan thinks so. And she thinks that if Rather were given a scoop damaging to Kerry she wouldn't cover it.

While Alan Colmes was badgering her, she sounded like she was on the verge of breaking down. She said she used to work with Dan Rather and seemed to like him personally very much.

187 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:20:26am

#176 Bernadette

The traditional Libertarian view?

Not exactly. There are some things (army, police, justice, foreign policy, ...) for which a gov't is required. I'm willing to pay for that.

I'm not sure what category I fit into, if I do. I'd like to think I'm an independent thinker. I'm think I'm a fiscal moderate and a social conservative. Mixed with being a Catholic, I guess I don't exactly fit a specific mold.

You probably like the idea of a social safety net, and some limited form of welfare, right?

188 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:20:29am

#178 J.D.

So, he had no balls either?

Sick, sick, sick!!!

189 Sarah D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:20:36am

#182 reaganite

LOL! Well, there went my joke then!

BTW - Give your guys who had the Carter detail my condolences.

Hope your gal is doing okay and that she'll get what she needs for her injuries.

Two exams today - I'm off to class.

190 Ann  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:22:46am

OT
Good for a morning laugh. Have your speakers on!

191 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:22:48am

#186

Sorry, HE wouldn't cover it (PIMF)

Not enough coffee yet this morning.

192 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:22:55am

#180 Mr Pol

I grieve for their families, knowing they died to protect my home and my neighbors.

They died with honor, protecting the innocents. Unlike the shit that killed them. When I return to NC, I will raise a toast to them.

193 TMF  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:23:19am

Ive had it with the Rather lied story. Its old. Its not even close to as important as what RALPH PETERS HAS TO SAY ABOUT KERRY"S IRAQ LIES and treasonous campaign strategy.

194 J.D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:27:12am

#188 reaganite
Well excuse me! The OT topic was men without balls wearing thongs.

:-D

195 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:27:20am

#187 Mr. Pol.

Safety net, sort of. I am of the firm belief that private charity is a more efficient way of delivering what needy people need than the government.

I work with government programs every day. I see the ratio of slackers to truly needy people all the time. There are some who will never be able to provide for themselves (frail elderly and severely disabled). There are plenty of nonprofits who are around to serve the need. They just all seem to think their funding should come from the taxpayers. Don't see many of them trying to become self-sufficient and try to raise their own funds.

Defense is vital. The military should get whatever is needed.

196 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:28:00am

#189 Sarah D.

Give your guys who had the Carter detail my condolences.

I already gave them mine, I'll add yours!

Hope your gal is doing okay and that she'll get what she needs for her injuries.

She be fine, unfortunately, she has to wait a month to get her nose operated on. She's strong, she'll do what she has to.

Two exams today - I'm off to class.

You'll do great.

197 J.D.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:28:03am

Got to go to work. Hooray for capitalism!

198 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:30:03am

OT, watching the sunrise out of my office window to the East, the high cirrus is glowing yellow-orange above the thicker clouds as Tropical Storm Ivan approaches extreme eastern Texas/extreme SW Louisiana.

Looks like HOU is on western side of circulation at landfall, meaning not all that much wind/rain.

System could stall and drift southward, which could eventually put HOU north of the center, meaning beneficial rain to my lawn after a few dry weeks.


Hurricane Jeanne still a bit of a mystery, Florida, North Carolina or maybe a near miss and out to sea.

199 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:30:11am

#194 J.D.

The OT topic was men without balls wearing thongs.

Well, sorry, are you trying to say Lurch is man? :-Þ

200 Smit  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:30:12am

So I guess being socially liberal(ish), fiscally conservative and a foreign policy hawk would make me a neo-con?

OT - Spain's Mr Bean has an idea

The Spanish prime minister has called for an international effort to resolve cultural and religious differences between the Western and Muslim world.

Mr Zapatero said he had asked the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, to set up a high level group to study the creation of an alliance of civilisations.

Speaking on the fringes of the UN meeting in New York, Mr Zapatero said: "This alliance would have as its fundamental objective to deepen political, cultural and education relations between those who represent the so-called Western world and, in this historic moment, the area of Arab and Muslim countries."

Good luck with that mate.

In times of peace and prosperity we can indulge these utopian dreamers, but in times of war it is positively suicidal to allow them any power.

201 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:31:46am

#192 reaganite

They were good kids, too... Last time I was home I brought them coffee at night and spend a couple of hours swapping stories with them.

202 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:33:12am

#195 Bernadette

I guess we're both right-of-center then :-)

203 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:33:30am

#200 Smit

Here's what happens at the meeting.

Non-muslims: I am so happy we could all get together to talk this out.

Muslims: We are happy to have you all here, too. Now we kill you.

End of meeting.

204 Smit  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:33:40am

#194 J.D.

The OT topic was men without balls wearing thongs.

Best Line Ever.

205 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:34:41am

#201 Mr. Pol

Please extend my condolences to their families.

206 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:39:01am

#205 Bernadette

I only know the family of Israel Lotati (z''l). They're almost neighbors, they're in Neve Dekalim. But I will. Thank you.

207 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:39:18am

#201 Mr Pol

They were good kids, too...

I noticed their ages, they were part of the new generation to step up. I'm at the end of my military service. I watch the kids coming in. Good kids, it's a shame they died at the hands of vermin. They fought the good fight.

I'm not religious. I tend to think along the lines of doing what's right.

They did right.

208 add925  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:43:31am

Are all horse-faced people liberal?

Mapes & Kerry sittin' in a tree f-o-r-g-i-n-g

209 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:44:46am

I need to go - work to do.

reaganite, get some sleep.

Everyone stay safe.

Later.

210 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:46:03am

#209 Bernadette

I need to go - work to do.

Have a great day.

reaganite, get some sleep.

Soon.

211 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:46:48am

Have my superhero cape on. Guarding the taxpayer's money...

212 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:50:52am

There is one thing that can be done to help put this argument to rest. Can someone visit the "morgue" at the Austin newspaper and find want ads in the '71 or '72 looking for pilots in the TANG. If they are there, as have been stated, then it would prove conclusively that Mr Bush did not need help from "daddy" to get in.

213 Praxeus  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:53:06am

Here's a pic of some really rabid right-wing nuts...


Right-wing extremists

214 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:53:08am

#207 reaganite

They fought for the right reasons, yes. Such a waste, though. I keep thinking that had I been there, I could have done something.

215 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 3:58:35am

#214 Mr Pol

I keep thinking that had I been there, I could have done something.

Many friends of mine have died in the last 2+ decades. Sometimes I feel the same way. You can't be everywhere all the time. It happens, it's not your fault. It's our common enemy who is at fault.

If you had been there you very well may be the one of them we grieve for.

I understand and I know how you feel. It's life.

216 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:00:35am

#212 cybermonk

To start with, he joined in 1968, when his father was not in the US. Now read this, then explain to me why joining a unit from which pilots were routinely rotated to Vietnam required political clout.

217 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:01:49am

#215 reaganite

I said the same things to other people, and I know you're right. I'll get over it.

218 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:02:07am

Morning all,

I haven't read the whole thread, has anyone heard about reaganites team mate?

219 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:03:46am

#218 'Nam Grunt

What happened?

220 Praxeus  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:06:39am

#219 Colt

The poor girl got part of her nose bit off by a drug dog.

221 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:08:16am
222 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:08:43am

#220 Praxeus

That's terrible. Can they 'build' a new one - plastic surgery?

I assume the dog was put down?

223 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:09:06am
If they are there, as have been stated, then it would prove conclusively that Mr Bush did not need help from "daddy" to get in.

Listen carefully, the USAF does not place "want ads". Want to know how many dead pilots I've scraped up in the last 23 years?
Or even a more simple question. My father is an Annapolis grad, he retired as Rear Admiral. How my pilots in his graduating class are still alive?

None, and none of them ever got to retirement age.

224 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:10:02am

#221 American Infidel

Then he went on to tell me how pornography is illegal but yet their regular TV shows what I would define as pornography...

Huh? Not that I'd know any different, of course.

225 Praxeus  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:10:25am

# 222 Colt

I think they've already done that with her lip.

Reaganite, how's she doin ?

226 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:11:45am

RE reaganite's friend, from #196:

She be fine, unfortunately, she has to wait a month to get her nose operated on. She's strong, she'll do what she has to.
227 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:16:14am

#218 'Nam Grunt
She has to wait until they fix her nose, they are afraid of infection from the dog bite. She'll be fine though, she's an EOD tech.

#220 Praxeus

The poor girl got part of her nose bit off by a drug dog.

It was a bomb dog, which is also attack trained.

#222 Colt

Can they 'build' a new one - plastic surgery?

They have already started. She'll be fine with some minor scars.

I assume the dog was put down?

No, it was her mistake, not the dog's. The dog did what it was trained to do.

The bad thing is, two people are going to pay for this. My team mate will have to suffer through the surgeries. The dog handler was sent home to answer dereliction charges. Neither are deserved.

228 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:19:17am

reaganite,

Thanks for the heads up. you be careful.

229 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:21:30am
230 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:21:44am

#228 'Nam Grunt

Thanks for the heads up. you be careful.

LOL, thanks sir! Only my hobbies kick my ass. Only twice has my job hurt me!

231 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:22:16am

#227 reaganite

That's too bad. Give her our best wishes.

232 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:25:22am

#229 American Infidel

Our cable provider has a pay-per-view option for porn. I've no idea how explicit it is, though.

233 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:25:35am

#231 Colt

That's too bad. Give her our best wishes.

I will.
The problem is pretty simple. We work with these dogs so often and get comfortable around them. It's sometimes forgotten what their "other" job is.

234 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:27:43am

#233 reaganite

What happened?

235 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:30:50am
236 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:33:39am

#235 American Infidel

In the UK you've only got 'soft porn' on regular TV. In France you have hardcore porn.

237 IowaGirl  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:34:26am

Here I go, shining a light on my own ignorance, but could someone please enlighten me about this "Kenneth-frequency" bit with regards to Rather?

238 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:34:45am

#235 American Infidel

Kirsty does Dubai?

And the 'does' isn't sexual.

For us it is THE SIMPSONS, for Eric in England it is DEBBIE DOES DALLAS or some such thing...

LOL!

There are things on TV far more controversial than porn. Plastic Surgery Live, for example... Use your imagination.

239 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:36:03am

#148 American Infidel

You beat me to it...all I can say is VDH AKBAR, VDH AKBAR!!!

/we are not worthy

240 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:36:34am

And if Eric mentioned Kirsty does Dubai, there isn't even nudity. Unfortunately.

241 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:38:04am

#234 Colt

What happened?

It was shift change. We all had put our gear (gas masks, body armor, etc) in the dog handler's vans to keep them out of the weather. When our relief came on we gathered our gear and started walking up the street when someone said she was bleeding. So I walked back. She was pouring blood on the street. It turns out she opened the wrong van. One of the dogs on our shift was mellow, the other was wired. She went to the wrong van. Opened the door and the dog attacked. The dog already had a bite on her face when she jumped back.

Even the Marines with us were impressed with her, she was more worried about leaving us short handed than with her injuries. She's a very pretty tall blond haired blue eyed woman.

242 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:38:30am
243 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:38:44am

#240 Colt

And if Eric mentioned Kirsty does Dubai, there isn't even nudity.

Yet another worthless show. :-)

244 obageegee  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:38:53am

I don't think the conservative label fits. What we are is anti BS from the MSM. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a freakin duck. What Gunga Dan and the others in the MSM think is that is it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probablly not a duck. How insane! Just a great group of fols pointing out the obvious, when the MSM puts it's head in the sand and drinks the kool-aid.

Spence

245 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:39:46am

#241 reaganite

Ouch. Nasty mistake to make...

246 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:40:56am

#243 Mr Pol

Yep :-)

247 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:41:28am
248 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:43:24am

#247 American Infidel

Soft Porn = porn with a plot
Hardcore Porn = porn without a plot

Actually, in both cases, the plot is left to the imagination of the viewer. The difference is that, in hardcore porn, that's the only thing left to the imagination of the viewer...

249 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:43:40am
250 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:43:50am

#245 Colt
She's young, not too much older than you (well, in my eyes). I've been around patrol dogs. I know when to stay away. She'll be fine, she has heart.

251 FabioC.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:44:12am

My aunt, a couple of years ago, had a bad accident: she was run over by a truck...

She almost lost a leg, but with prompt top-notch medical treatment and her strong positive will, she recovered very well. Espicially her skin transplant went perfectly.

A strong will is most important.

252 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:45:34am
253 Mr Pol  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:47:44am

#252 American Infidel

BTW, have you noticed how boring porn is? I like movies to watch one-handed, but only when that other hand is around a person of the opposite sex...

254 reaganite  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:47:45am

I'm off, time for me to get some sleep. have a great day everyone.

255 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:48:15am

#248 Mr Pol

LOL!

This whole discussion reminds of that Friends episode where they get free porn. By the end of the show, they can't figure out why they don't end up having sex everywhere they go.

Frankly, I'm more embarrassed to admit watching Friends than porn...

#250 reaganite

Glad to hear it.

256 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:48:55am

Famous Jewish First Baseman

I'd thought with the name Shaun Green he was Irish-American.


Of course, one can be Irish and Jewish.

257 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:50:49am

#148 AI

In your face, UN!

258 jonathan.culbertson  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:52:50am

#172 bernadette

supporting 'traditional' moral values

what do you define as traditional moral values? and do you conisder that wrong?

259 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 4:58:34am
260 FabioC.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:02:52am

What a shift! A thread going from biowarfare or hi-tech genocide to the pros and cons of porn...

261 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:04:22am

#260 FabioC,

I was about to post the same thing.

262 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:04:37am

#260 FabioC.

Which was your favourite part?

I.e., are you a sadist or a pervert? :-)

263 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:04:59am
264 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:06:31am

#256 Ed Moran

He played one season here in Toronto and was the darling of the "organized" Jewish community. There are some famous Irish Jews, like Chaim Herzog and his grandfather (or father-can't remember now) was the Chief Rabbi of Ireland.

265 Jia Onuo  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:08:59am

#253 Mr. Pol-san

BTW, have you noticed how boring porn is?

Perhaps you would find Japanese porn more interesting, due to cultural differences. For example, mouth kisses are considered "dirty" while fellatio is not. And there is always a plot.

266 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:12:08am

Well, if we're discussing porn, I linked to a story that DVDs on ifidel beheadings is the new porno in Baghdad, got a reply comparing "Faces of Death" to jihadi porn, and replied as follows

True Enough about the "Faces of Death" stuff, although only a pretty small minority watch that, and, of course, our media generally doesn't like to show slow murder/torture the way al Jiz does.

al Jiz will only not show the stuff, it seems, when the victim dies bravely, like the Italian killed a few montha go.


Even when I was a perv, before I started going back to church, I found video porn pretty dull. I preferred standard normal looking naked chicks alone kind of magazines stuff back when I was single and frisky.

267 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:14:52am
268 FabioC.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:15:55am

Sadist during day, pervert at nights...

LOL


Seriously, I consider genocide the very last resort for this war. If we'll reach the point of "us or them", then it's an option to be evaluated. But NOT NOW, no way. A lot can be done without these extreme (end evil) means.


Yes, Japanese porn is different... one day there was an exhibiton of medical and related objects at the British Museum, and they had this collection of 1930's japanese sex toys: apparently they were very popular there.

269 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:16:33am

#267 American Infidel

You're brave. My colleagues just scoffed at "Cat Stevens" being banned from the US, and I just sat and seethed. It's too early for LLL madness. GA!

270 Colt  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:17:58am

#268 FabioC.

I kicked myself after writing 'sadist' RE biowarfare. And I agree it should be considered a last resort.

271 paplagr  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:19:15am

John Kerry has canceled plans to air television ads in Arizona, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Missouri after his advisers condluded he wasnt't doing well enough in those areas to justify the cost. While pulling back from those states - all of which President Bush carried in 2000 - Mr. Kerry is still competing in several GOP-leaning battlegrounds, such as Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Nevada.

272 FabioC.  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:19:52am

#266 Ed Moran

I did not say it's the same thing.

I meant that morbid people are everywhere.

The difference is that a kind of sexual bloodlust seems to be of paramount importance for the jihadis.

273 traveler  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:22:15am

#99

...(glaring example was the proposed Defense of Marrage Amendment. Felt it's going a tad too far...I'm perfectly comfy with civil unions for same-sex couples...


My understanding was that they HAD Civil Unions -- but an unelected judge decided that civil unions weren't good enough -- they needed to call it "marriage", just like with heterosexual unions...I think that is the foundation of the Defense of Marriage Act. Heterosexual couples objected to a religious institution being amended to include other unions that that very religion dictated against. I'm not arguing for or against -- that's just the technical grounds...

I don't object to Civil Unions either -- I thought it was a good parallel, and it gave them access to the social amenities afforded other heterosexual couples, without storming into heterosexual marriages and declaring them equal without a vote.

Re: Clinton & the "Economy"

There are two, well documented books published that showed how Clinton's pointedly ignoring attacks on us only emboldened the terrorists to up the ante. The first is called "First Strike" and it documents how the Clinton administration covered up the Flight 800 downing (which was a missle strike). See it here: [Link: shop.wnd.com...]

The second is called Mega Fix -- it's excerpted here:[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Clinton was so content with the "good economy" (which was in recession his last year in office), et. al. that he sold us out when the grave dangers of terrorism were staring him in the face. All he cared about was patting us on the head and telling us "Don't you be scared, those big bad terrorists aren't going to hurt you"...

274 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:23:07am
275 traveler  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:26:17am

I'll try that 2nd link again:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

If it doesn't take this time, the article is on [Link: www.wnd.com,...] Jack Cashill commentary -- exclusive excerpt from the upcoming book: Mega Fix - The Dazzling Political Deceit that Led to 9-11.

My understanding is that Kerry is mentioned in the book, too, as being a weakling when it came to confronting the bad guys...

276 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:26:50am

#1 Addison

How 'bout that Charles? You're in charge of a Right-Wing blog.

What do you expect from what an old boss of mine used to call the "gray beard and sandal set"?

277 Bernadette  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:32:29am

#258 Jonathon: Ask Mr. Pol, it's his term.

And don't get snippy with me. I'll put you over my knee.

278 traveler  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:34:19am

#273 & 275

Correction: It's a DVD, not a book...oops, my Rather bad...

279 ördög Johnson  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:38:44am

Mullahs don't like the Israel's bunker bomb buy

The main conflict in the Middle East, Kharrazi said, is Israel's "freedom to produce as much as they need -- nuclear bombs as well as other weapons of mass destruction [which prevents us from becoming the super-duper ME power]." After this astement, Kharrazi's face acquired a green hue, despite that his turnban was black.
280 WriterMom  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:44:11am

#279 ordog

Haven't they heard of Bart? I believe EAT MY SHORTS would be an appropriate response.

281 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 5:49:09am

Please don misunderstand my request. I am a USAF veteran 1966-70 who was stationed in Utapao Thailand. I watched a kc-135 crash during my tour and understand the risks all pilots take. My comment was in response to a statement made by a TANG officer who said on FNC that the TANG had advertised for pilots. That means there had to be records in 1968 showing some type of advertising, whether in college papers or whatever.

282 zaideh  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 6:43:02am

test

283 Globular Cluster  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 7:57:24am
Don't tell the stupid asses at Wired, but this "Conservative" still has their first 8 years' worth of issues on a shelf in my library room.

Rayra, I have that same stack of Wired, except it's in a box in the garage with the Cabbage Patch Kids and the Hula hoop.

284 zulubaby  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 8:55:18am

Mr Pol (#180)

May they rest in peace.

285 zulubaby  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 11:02:33am
286 AClue  Thu, Sep 23, 2004 1:11:47pm

---We have TIME

---I hope you're not referring to that
---vile rag that published a puff piece...

What, you mean the pinheads that bought Wired and turned it into a liberal rag in its own twisted, funhouse image?

Look back, folks, and notice that Wired stopped being worth a shit almost exactly when Time, Inc. bought them. I stopped reading them within 6 months of Time's purchase.

Wired: The Blogosphere
Tired: Any Time, Inc. Publication
Dead: Dan Rather


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