I can't believe that the MSM would allow such obvious bias to be transmitted across the air-waves!

/sarcasm

Looks like we need another email campaign for the cBS affiliates.

I'm not a military guy so I may not know what I'm talking about here. But it seems to me that the professionalism in our soldiers is in large part
because they are volunteers. They want to be there. There's a great deal of pride in being there next to their buddies knowing that they are doing their best, and their buddies are doing the same. If there was a draft and we had a huge increase in people that did not want to be there, I can't imagine that the level of skills and commitment would be the same. Smaller motivated and skilled fighting units can out fight a larger less motivated, and less skilled army. Just ask the Iraqi Generals. The ones that are left that is. This stupid rumor is the kind of thing we get from a media that has largely not served and looks down on those that do.

based on long-debunked Internet hoax emails and the testimony of an unlabeled Bush-hating advocacy group member

Testimony of Bush-bashers, to bolster phony draft claims...

Testimony of Bush-basher (and Kerry campaign Vice-Chair) Ben Barnes to bolster forged documents...

For years has this been going on in the "mainstream" media, where 9 out of 10 "mainstream" journalists vote Democrat...
 

This is what they've been doing for decades. Nothinh's changed except that now we can at lease expose it.

#4 True. The armed forces are better because the people there are volunteers. If I was in combat, I would not want my life to count on somebody who was drafted and hates being there.

Unfortunately, this is not surprising. The media is doing its best to get Kerry elected. God help us if that happens.

We should all raise hell once again with the CBS Affiliates and advertisers...we already know the drill...

Since Bush has been accused and convicted by the propaganda press, he really SHOULD bring back the draft. Conscript EVERY LLL - then assign them to mine-clearing regiments.

Plenty of mines in Afghanistan. More in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Why risk the valuable lives of our troops to dig out mines, when a herd of LLLs can be marched through a minefield and do a faster, more complete job?

Well, if the Dems want to fight on the issue of the draft, we just need to remind people that the only bills introduced to reinstate the draft are the ones by Democrats.

So let's all use our word of mouth to remind people that it is the Democratic party sponsoring bills to reinstate the draft. That should help theGOP win not only the presidency but the congressional races as well.

While we are at it, we can remind people that it was the GOP, under Nixon, who did away with the draft.

And the band played on....

I've got one standing bet of $100 with a local LLL that this never comes to pass. It's the easiest money I'll ever make.

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered
her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him,
"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him
an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot
air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346
feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north
latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."
"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?" "Well," answered the
balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I
have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost.
Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded,! "You must be a Democrat." "I am,"
replied the balloonist. "How did you know?" "Well," said the man,
"you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to
where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that
you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem.
You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met but, somehow,
now it's my fault."

Judith Miller Tipped Off Terror Charity

It continues....

Now there you go again, unnecessarily bringing up facts!

Don't you know the "truth" has nothing to do with the truth? It's what's conveeeeeenient that matters!

the only reason a country uses a draft is to raise an army fast and on the cheap...this is a strawman put up by the democraps to cover the fact that daschle has torpedoed a raise in the force cap...we have 1.3 million in uniform now and I'm quite sure that we would find at LEAST another million willing to volunteer today....the only draft proposals pending in congress today are authored by democraps...rangle is one and I can't remeber the other guys name

add925 (#3)

Looks like we need another email campaign for the cBS affiliates.

Whenever you get a email requesting your help to facilitate funds transfers from Nigeria or reap profits from salvaging Soviet satellites forward them to CBS News.

They'll be bankrupt in no time.

In the small CBS reporters kitchen, when you ask for some plastic wrap to cover your leftover food, they'll hand you aluminum foil and say its the same. So much for transperancy.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that there is a massive conspiracy, or group collusion, to damage George W. Bush by any means necessary.

The Joe Wilson's CIA agent Wife getting "exposed," the "fake" Niger yellowcake documents, the fake TANG documents and once again the fake draft reinstatement.

Then there is the twisting of words of Bush such as Bush calling Iraq an "imminent threat" when he said "before Iraq becomes an imminent threat" and the "Mission Accomplished" sign on Bush's carrier landing becoming "Victory in Iraq" when it merely meant a transition to keeping the peace.

There are coordinated efforts to attack and/or damage George W. Bush, during a time of war (which is really wearing thin me me since we have had no major terrorist attack or attempt on us for a year or more).

The media is going along, a billionaire foreigner is pumping millions into MoveOn.org to influence our electoral process (that has GOT to be illegal somehow) and former Vice President Al Gore is running around screeching about "Digital Brownshirts" invoking Godwin's law every time he opens his mouth.

It is fast becoming cliche, but this is unprecedented!

And yet we have seen virtually no domestic terrorism by Anarchists or MoveOn.org freaks targeting specifically the current Administration. Torching a Hummer dealership in the name of ELF or something doesn't really count.

Are they waiting for the elections? For post-elections?Some signal from the willing members in the media?

If Bush wins (and I think he will) will they finally unleash their hate on the rest of the US?

I feel this is the quiet before the storm. I don't want to think about what may be coming...

There is truly only one news source we can trust.

I caught a Arizona Republic columnist doing much the same thing three weeks ago. A woman with no political ties formed her own website to bring attention to both the outsourcing of jobs (her job went to Mexico) and the discrimination and slave labor conditions of foreigners living in the US on work visas. (terrible conditions with the threat of deportation if workers complained).

I wen to her website and discovered that she was a shill for a multitude of Western Pa. unions and Labor PAC's. They funded her, trained her, and flew her around the country to speak on their behalf. They even maintained her "do it yourself" website. Her story was total bunk, yet our LLL AZREP. ate it up and did no fact checking before running the story.

Just wait till FOX comes out with the story that George Soros has been doing Teyreesa for two years and Kerry knows it.

Aishel, #14, that's a good joke!
 

Let's not forget CBS was the agit-prop agency that put forth the AIPAC as Israeli spies story too.

They will stop at nothing to play their part in destroying this president.

They make the Star, the National Enquirer and the Weekly World News look reputable.

Cocco Puffs

The second presidential debate (a "townhall" debate where the audience asks the candidates questions) is going to be packed with LLL plants like this including melodromaticaly wailing faux-Iraq military widows. Why W agreed to this set-up format, I'll never understand.

If he's going to get blamed for it, he might as well go ahead and reinstate it.

/sarcasm

On the other hand, I'm all for something along the lines of a mandatory Peace Corp type organization, or some missions-based program to get students out into other countries to experience other cultures and to really appreciate what we have here. I mean, the majority of US citizens classified as "poor" have a car, at least 1 color TV, electricity, and running water.

...unlabeled interest group member to scare elderly “Evening” viewers into believing that the U.S. government is poised to resume the draft.
...

If my area is any indicator, the elderly don't care about much of anything as long as noone touches "their" Social Security.

did they interview charlie rangel--a dem congressman supporting kerry--who intoduced the bill in congress--and who btw served in korea--and wants draftees killed in iraq so as to equate it with vietnam and help him with his righteous indignation deficiency problems!!

OT>>>>>>>maybe

which will get more coverage on Friday OCT 8th (the morning after the debates) Martha going to jail or Kerry's winning debate style againist W

Just wait till FOX comes out with the story that George Soros has been doing Teyreesa for two years and Kerry knows it.

I don't think you should be allowed to post, anymore. I have to eat lunch soon... and now I don't think I can.

Well, I just emailed my local talk radio station (I sent them a link to here). They covered the Rathergate thing nicely, though the host got in trouble for deciding to pull Rather's 4:00 news off the air (the programming director is supposed to make those decisions).

Hopefully she'll mention this whole thing.

Poll: CBS' memo story an 'honest mistake'

If you want to throw up, go to the link and see the cherubic picture USAtoday uses of of asswart Rather.

"In the poll, 56% said that Rather and CBS had made an honest mistake — perhaps because of "carelessness in their fact-checking and reporting." Asked if CBS News should fire Rather, 64% said no.

The poll also found 55% of people think they can trust CBS News to report the news accurately; 41% said they can't. Asked about general media accuracy, 52% were positive, 47% negative."

This is the USofA our great men and women soldiers are fighting and killing for ???

J. Lichty (#25)

Let's not forget CBS was the agit-prop agency that put forth the AIPAC as Israeli spies story too.

Yeah, that one disappeared very quickly, didn't it? They broke that story the night before the RNC started, I think. CBS churns out one lie after another. Truly BDS is action.

#14 aishel

Thank you for that. It's terrific.

I have a great one from P.J. O'Rourke on why Santa Claus is a Democrat and God is a Republican. I'll see if I can find it quickly. If not, I think it's from his "Parliament of Whores."

And just to illustrate just how far out of it you have to be to believe the lie that we're "stretched to thin" and need to reinstate the draft this reposted from Rayra:

for the 'Draft is bullshit' file -

Navy flush with new recruits, already has 2/3's of next years recruits signed - Navy Times

Issue Date: October 04, 2004

Navy flush with new recruits
Service to counter surplus by merging recruiting forces

By Mark D. Faram
Times staff writer

The Navy says it has more than two-thirds of the nearly 39,000 recruits it will need next year already in the bank.

“I’ve got 28,000 signed to a contract, and they have a date to ship off to boot camp,” said Rear Adm. Jeff Fowler, commander of the Navy Recruiting Command in Millington, Tenn. That’s the highest number of delayed-entry recruits the Navy has ever had in hand heading into a new fiscal year. At the same time, Fowler plans to cut 770 billets from his force of 4,300 fleet sailors on recruiting duty by the end of fiscal 2007 because they’re no longer needed as the active and Reserve recruiting forces consolidate. ...

...Fowler said he’s concentrating on increasing the “quality” of Navy recruits by raising the required percentage of high school graduates among those entering the Navy to 95 percent, up from 90 percent just three years ago...

CBS has raised "journalism" to an artform and in so doing, it's artfulness is readily apparent.

#20 Neo

If Bush wins (and I think he will) will they finally unleash their hate on the rest of the US?

I feel this is the quiet before the storm. I don't want to think about what may be coming...

I am concerned about this too. It just seems as if there is far too much loony hatred out there that is very close to being pushed over the edge. They hate America and the entire Western world. They cannot accept the fact that communism died over a decade ago and will collude with and support anybody who is anti America.
I can't wait until we are forced to act in North Korea. It should be entertaining to see these idiots try and make a case to support Kim Jong Il.

#36 nonic

On God and Santa Claus
From P.J. O'Rourke's book Parliament of Whores

I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is this: God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat

God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle-aged mate, a stern fellow, patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men strictly accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well-being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.

Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatening. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without thought of a quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, and he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Claus.

#5 song_and_dance_man

Might you have a website link for me to use? Got a liberal on another messageboard telling me that the GOP's mailing campaign about Democrats banning the bible is low and desperate. Need somethin' to put them in their place.

Let's face it folks, President Cheney, along with his war council of dunces (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice) and their pet dog W are intent upon creating their vision: America as the most hated country in history but proud of that and arrogant because of our miltary might. It will be too late when they learn, as we all suffer from, the fact that that great countries can be brought down may others ways than by military force. If they read something besides their own hate filled propaganda they might be able to learn that. CBS and Dan Rather have been clumsy, yes. And, what they are saying is still vitally important. The Cheney regime must go!

This will show up on Brit Hume tonight. I swear he or his producers read this site.

If CBS is to survive this one, they're going to have to start cutting and replacing staff. Now rumor (okay, Matt Drudge) has it that Fox is the current No. 1 news station these days, so it looks like Sumner (I support Bush) Redstone better start opening up the News Division's HR Department.

The dems, by not denouncing the falsehoods, are going to take a huge dump this November. I'll be happy to see a new and improved democrat party emerge in December.

Hi Garry, welcome to LGF.

Logic Spill on aisle 42.
Gary, you're going to get your guts eaten out by your stupid comments, in three...two...one....

#42 troll

You registered today just to put up that little bit of tripe? Waste of time for you to post it and me to fisk it.

GAZE

#42 Garry: you asked for it, dude.

#42, Garry. Starting out the day with "Mr Hollands Opus" for wake up music I see.

America as the most hated country in history

LOL

Read a freakin history book sometime, moron.

CBS and Dan Rather have been clumsy, yes. And, what they are saying is still vitally important.

Fake but accurate!

Yet another brilliant mind arrives safe.

Charles, I get no hat tip?

E-mails to affiliates and advertisers is a good idea but actual letters would be better. An e-mail can be trashed with a single click but a letter is an object you have to do something with.

#42 Einstein

Can you ever be original?

BOYCOTT CBS

RAISE HELL !!

DAN RATHER MUST GO

evening @ cbsnews.com

RAISE MORE HELL !!

Some of the Marxist and hard-left places you can find Jacob Levitch, founder of People Against the Draft, who considers Noam Chomsky and Edward Said to not be true leftists.
Jacob is to the left of Noam Chomsky!
Counterpunch
Marxism mailing list
[Marxism] Stop the Draft

#40 RIP Ford

Oh, thank you very much. Becaue I couldn't find it. My kid moved all my books. But I love that story. Thanks.

#52 pilgrim shadow

Please don't beg, Charles receives hundreds of emails a day and there is a definite possibilty that you were not the first to send this to him... :P

CBS News is truly pathetic. The once lofty House of Murrow has become the National Enquirer of politics---with most of their stuff just as believable.

#25 the WWN, Star and National Enquirer are far more accountable because lawsuits filed by various folks meant that the papers had to defend their claims in court. In some cases, they lost bigtime - multimillion dollar claims. So, those papers now have big factchecking departments and legal departments scouring every piece before they run them - to reduce the likelyhood of suits. Still, some bad stories get thru, but the papers are doing a better job.

Nothing of the sort has happened in the mainstream papers, let alone the network news - which never runs corrections or admits to having bad news (at least newspapers have a corrections section).

#57 nonic

Happy to help.

#42: Run out of your meds this morning? Your type can never seem to decide if Bush is an evil genius mastermind or a puppet of the evil jooooos. I guess today he's a puppet.

#10 Mike McDaniel:

Since Bush has been accused and convicted by the propaganda press, he really SHOULD bring back the draft. Conscript EVERY LLL - then assign them to mine-clearing regiments.

Plenty of mines in Afghanistan. More in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Why risk the valuable lives of our troops to dig out mines, when a herd of LLLs can be marched through a minefield and do a faster, more complete job?

The last thing I would want to do is bog down the mine deactivation teams with a bunch of brain stem LLL's. We have one here at LGF, you know: his moniker is reaganite and he shouldn't have to endure a moment of abiding these fools, although I do like the idea of using the LLL's to sniff out the active mines.

In every election I can ever recall, there circulates a scare story among the 65+ crowd that the Republicans are going to take away their social security. Every time, every election. But it never happens, of course.

You'd think after a while, folks would notice the pattern.

I wonder how many times this new gem will get pulled out before elections, like adding a new piece to the old holiday decorations pulled from the closet every year.

BTW, I cheerfully registered for Selective Service when I turned 18.

You want to know what was goofy? After a full day of physicals, and processing, and swearing in at the MEPS, then a bus trip to DFW, a late afternoon flight to ORD (American Airlines, DC-10) and another bus trip to RTC Great Lakes, Illinois, before we were even drug tested then put to bed near midnight (to be woken up at 4 am by our CC throwing an alunimum garbage can down the aisle and screaming "Get the F*ck out of bed! Drop your cocks and grab your socks!", we were all required to fill out Selective Service registration cards.

Well, at least I knew there were no draft dodgers in my boot camp company.

Company 316. October, 1982. There was a special company "Cardinal Company", all St. Louis area recruits who had a company guidon with the "Cardinal" emblem. They probably should have had a "Cowboy Company" from Dallas, but I guess the recruiters had no imagination.

#58 RIP

Yeah, I was kidding but came off as pathetic.

#34 Justdanny

That obviously isn't a poll of likely voters. It's a poll of granny Susans sitting in the living room cursing the damn presidential election coverage that keeps interrupting her soaps.

Here's the transcript of the CBS evening news report The Issues: Reviving The Draft. The opening teaser (not in transcript) posed Kerry as saying he wouldn't reinstate a draft if elected and Bush saying likewise for his second term. What they didn't reveal is that the DNC and Kerry camp, including Teresa (Heinz Kerry also said she agrees with her husband that a military draft may be reinstated under Bush.) have accused Bush of engineering a draft reinstatement for his second term. That nearly sent me scrambling for my Elvis gun.

#68 pilgrim shadow

Sorry. :)

Since I barrage CBS on a daily basis, they've already heard from me.

I guess these clowns figured they were three weeks out of the Memo Hoax and things may have died down.

I say, fire away folks.

Time to revoke their broadcast license, I say.

CBS Made Errors: Hewitt.

Creator of '60 Minutes' in Vermillion this week to receive Neuharth honor

Don Hewitt, the man who created "60 Minutes," says he doesn't doubt that CBS erred in its controversial report on President Bush's National Guard service.

But Hewitt, who will be in Vermillion on Thursday to receive the Al Neuharth Award for Excellence in Journalism, stopped short of saying he thinks CBS News anchor Dan Rather should lose his job over the gaffe.

"I'm 99 percent sure that there were some terrible goofs made," Hewitt said Tuesday in a telephone interview. "Whether somebody should pay for them, and how that should be determined, I'm glad that's not my job."

Couple of background pointers - Hewitt was opposed to diluting the 60 Minutes brand with the 60 Minutes II group (there is institutional rivalry involved here). Hewitt is smart enough to try and distance the original product from the evil spawn in order to protect the brand.

Let's see, Teddy runs out the new version of the Goldwater ad (That Republican's gonna get us nuked!). Then we've got the draft. Then it's a fraudulent quagmire war not in America's interest. Then Halliburton (aka Clinton's darling) gets to play the role of the "Military Industrial Complex." The press tries to whitewash the horrid nature of the enemy, while only portraying American efforts as lost causes and American troops as war criminals.

Not that the left is looking to recreate the Vietnam era or anything.

#71

Don't revoke....debunk. They are our greatest asset. When the people KNOW the press is FOS, they don't believe anything they say. The only people watching CBS now are the far left wackos and a bunch of couch potatoes (notice Quayle spelling) who aren't going to vote anyway.

#42 Gary = troll

Registered on 09/29/04 07:47:14 AM

No. of comments posted = 1

Thank you for clearing that up for us Gary, we had no idea. You argument really changed our minds.

Please go elsewhere and spread the word, your job is done here.

#4

Yes, today's all volunteer forces pride themselves on being professionals. A draft is not welcome except as a last resort. We are no where near that.

sfgate's Mark Morford weighs in on Ra^thergate.

What an idiot.

#61 song_and_dance_man

Many thanks for that. Needed somethin' blunt to bludgeon some intelligence into a snarky liberal who thought he had the GOP nailed to the wall.

What about the FCC?

The FCC has rules for television broadcast license holders on equal airtime for candidates, as well as the right of response to an endoresement.

In the case of an endorsement, the station has to provide the other candidate(s) with a transcript/video of the endorsement and an equal opportunity to respond on camera.

CBS has, in effect, endorsed John Kerry. The FCC is clear that they do not regulate news content, except as it pertains to candidate airtime and endorsements. Only "Bona Fide" news accounts which may support one side over another escape the rule.

The "Bona Fide" is FCC language. Is this a "Bona Fide" news account? Was memogate? Answer: No. They are political hit pieces designed to affect the outcome of an election. Substantively, CBS (and thereby every affiliate carrying the Evening News with Dan Rather) has endorsed John Kerry.

Can't each affiliate be sued for violating the FCC rules by not offering Bush and Nader equal airtime?

Any one of you right thinking people who find boycotts silly, for any number of reasons, and refuse to participate in a boycott of CBS and its sponsors, for any number of reasons, please reconsider. CBS is a business. CBS can only be hurt through the sponsors who pay them. CBS can only feel the sting one way, a boycott. CBS has no honor and cannot be shamed. They will not change their goal of destryoing President Bush unless they see that it will cause them to have to sell one of their planes or move to a less lavish home.

This is all very simple everyone. A boycott of CBS and its sponsors will not hurt average workaday people on the assembly lines at whatever product sponsors them. And if the small guy at the bottom of the rung feels a little squeeze, how is that more dire than CBS achieving its goal of getting Kerry elected ?

Time for us to do this folks. Time for us to show our strength. Time for us to suffer the weight of a feather on our backs by doing without product X Y Z.

Simply, we are either with President Bush, or we are against him. Any continued support of CBS via the sponsors who enable them is a vote against President Bush.

When the election has passed and Bush wins, then you can return to the top shelf product of your desire.

#42 grayp

This will show up on Brit Hume tonight. I swear he or his producers read this site.

I hope so..and Brit..if you are reading- Bucky loves ya baby!

If this comes up in the debate (though if I was W, I wouldn't broach the issue), I hope W gives a response something like this:

"I'm glad you brought that up because there's been a ridiculous rumor about that going around about that. This administration - everyone in it - as well as the Joint Chiefs has been unequivocal that the volunteer forces meet our current and projected security needs. As long as the Republicans control the Congress, no draft bill willld pass. As long as I'm in the White House, none would be signed into law.

Now, the two - and the only two - members of congress who have clammored to reinstate the draft are Charlie Rangle and Ernest Hollings, two of my opponents key campaign supporters. I can't speak to what Sen. Kerry has promised them in exchange for their support.

But my position on this issue - like so many others in this campaign - is clear and hasn't changed."

#77 H P

This douchebag is just one reason I will not allow the Chron in my house.

Hi guys, I’m new to LGF and enjoy the informative remarks.

On topic: MSM continues to barrage us with their LLL biases, because they know that if they throw enough “stuff” some is bound to stick. Media hangs with media, hollywood hangs with hollywood, academia hangs with academia, and on occasion they come together in a feeding frenzy of liberal cuisine. Academia pushes liberal ideas in the classroom. Hollywood pushes “dems good, right-wing nuts bad” in movies and TV shows. Then your nightly news confirms this view, so it must be correct.

Pay attention to the dems talking heads and the media as they use the same language. All dem pundits are given the talking point of the day and they never go off message. Then the media uses them as fact.

Off topic: Apparently kerry was way behind in the 1996 senate race even on election day. Just a thought, did thkerry’s money buy the election? Joe Kennedy bought WV for JFK in 1960, and thkerry has the money and the need to be first lady. Why isn’t there an outcry for her tax returns? Do you think MSM will ask why she hasn't released them? I won't be holding by breath.

Democrats are trying to bring back the draft.
Democrats are trying to bring back the draft.
Democrats are trying to bring back the draft.

I think that we simpy need to repeat that fact. Sure, we know they won't succeed and it's a stunt, but they are on the record as supporting it. Unlike CBS, we can state this as verified fact.

Oh, and please note that I am not "Garry." I have Camilla and Katrina to make sure I don't say stupid things.

Contact info for:

Sumner M. Redstone
Chairman and CEO
Viacom, Inc.

Mr. Leslie Moonves
Chairman and CEO
CBS Television

Andrew J. Heyward
President
CBS News

Dan Rather
Anchor and Managing Editor
CBS Evening News With Dan Rather

CBS News Assignment Desk

Included is contact info for Viacom board of directors:

George S. Abrams

David R. Andelman

Joseph Califano

William S. Cohen

Phillipe P. Dauman

Alan C. Greenberg

Jan Leschly

Shari Redstone

Frederic V. Salerno

William Schwartz

Patricia Q. Stonesifer

Robert D. Walter

If you tell them honestly and calmly that you intend to boycott all CBS programming and sponsors, they will feel the hit.

Do we continue to be inactive gawking bystanders at the carnage of these evil fools killing us gently ? Or do we raise fucking hell ?!

This is crunch-time people.

RAISE HELL !!

#84 newsjunkie_ky

Apparently kerry was way behind in the 1996 senate race even on election day.

Wow, thanks for bringing that up. I googled it and this is what popped up:

Cash and Kerry
The gift: He rails against big donors, but he knows the drill. Just ask Johnny Chung
-Newsweek

John Kerry needed cash, and soon. In July 1996 the Massachusetts senator was locked in a tough re-election fight, so he was more than happy to help when he heard that a generous potential contributor wanted to visit his Capitol Hill office. The donor was Johnny Chung, a glad-handing Taiwanese-American entrepreneur. Chung brought along some friends, including a Hong Kong businesswoman named Liu Chaoying.

Told that Liu was interested in getting one of her companies listed on the U.S. Stock Exchange, Kerry's aides immediately faxed over a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission. The next day, Liu and Chung were ushered into a private briefing with a senior SEC official. Within weeks, Chung returned the favor: On Sept. 9 he threw Kerry a fund-raiser at a Beverly Hills hotel, raking in $10,000 for the senator's re-election campaign

Federal investigators later discovered that Liu was in fact a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army and vice president of a Chinese-government-owned aerospace firm. And Chung, who visited the Clinton White House 49 times, went on to become a central figure in the foreign-money scandals of 1996. Chung eventually pleaded guilty to funneling $28,000 in illegal contributions to the campaigns of Bill Clinton and Kerry. According to bank records and Chung's congressional testimony, the contributions came out of $300,000 in overseas wire transfers sent on orders from the chief of Chinese military intelligence—and routed through a Hong Kong bank account controlled by Liu.

This is news to me.
newsjunkie_ky, welcome to the fray.

Why don't they just be honest and change their name to "DNC News"?

welcome newsjunkie_ky #84
get lost garry #42 (well, at least try something original and intelligent)

Prediction:

CBS News bankrupt or restructured in 1 year.

Congratulations Fox News on your truthful and sane balanced coverage. It is what America wants to hear.

God Bless America and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

#82 Skippy

I also hope this comes up in the debates. I hope W hits John F'in Kerry square in his botox'd forehead with it!

Guys, go easy on #42 garry, he's clearly a GOP operative. Otherwise he'd have to be a total buffoon to miss this week's omni-present Dem talking-points that W is a brilliant debator and Kerry's got a real tough fight on his hands. He's just using the old "BusHitler is an idiot puppet" rant to lower expectations for our president's performance so that it seems so much better than people thought it would be. All the real Dems got their orders to temporarlily mothball that slur a couple of weeks ago.

That about cover it garry?

newsjunkie_ky

Welcome aboard. I hope that ky stands for Kentucky.

Among the tens of thousands of LGF Lizard Minions are a few outstanding Kentuckians.

Great post. Keep up the good work and post more often.

#60 Kaffirgal:

Actually, the Enquirer is better than CBS News -- they actually fact check their stories before going to print. They've learned the hard way (defending defamation suits) that they had better be right.

CBS News is more like World News Weekly -- that's the all black-and-white rag that last spring had my all-time favorite headline: "Hillary Pregnant With Space Alien's Baby!"

In every election I can ever recall, there circulates a scare story among the 65+ crowd that the Republicans are going to take away their social security. Every time, every election. But it never happens, of course.

I think this gets less effective with each election cycle. Kind of calling Republicans "racists", it just grows old after a while.

And #42 has to be one of us. No LLL can be this wacky? Or is Garrison Keillor now on LGF?

Was CBS the news channel that broke the "Israeli spy" story that never was? They're really outdoing themselves.

justdanny

I hope that ky stands for Kentucky.

LOL.

Gotta love the left's logic. If there's a way they can take both sides on a subject, they will.

Dem: Republicans are trying to bring back the draft! We gotta stop them!

Voter: But didn't Democrats propose two bills, both intended to bring back the draft, with the intention of scaring the country out of the Iraq War?

Dem: Well...uhm...I...Bush is Hitler! Since you can't see that, you must be too ignorant to properly run your lilfe. Here, let me do it for you.

The sad part is, I think we damn well should reinstate the draft.

Everyone should share in the common defense, just like in Israel. Or Switzerland. Or Germany, for that matter.

If the dems are bent on re-living the Vietnam & Watergate years, I hope this time around the real crooks, felonious forgers, enemy aiding & abetting traitors & vote messing media end up in jail.

Offtopic, bad visual: Elizabeth Edwards with whining soldier Mom (whose sons by the way were not "drafted" by this President but volunteered their adult selves) mewling in front of CNN camera.

Almost OT:

I wonder if these are the "hard questions" that Barbara Streisand wants the MSM to ask in her latest bit of nonsense (found via Drudge)

Where is Our Free Press? she asks.

I take a stab at Fisking the boitch HERE. This is my first Fisk, so it may be that my "Fisk-Foo" is weak. Anyone who can improve on it is welcome to have at!

Write to your congressmen and representatives, demand of them that they pressure the FCC to revoke CBS's license to broadcast over public airwaves.

#99 Cato

We should all serve in the defense of our country: we can try & convict those on the homefront selling us out to radical islam, cooking up felonious fake news, trying to pass draft legislation to get even, not to defend our country better.

We also need to be clear what military service and defending one's country means--some people are misinformed and seem to think the military is a jobs program for their "kids," an extra curricular enrichment activity. (Thank a LLL teacher?)

Michael Moore spreads the same "Bush wants a draft" meme at aspeech at the University of Michigan - Dearborn

However, Mikey does manage to say one truthful thing when questioned by the audience.

is anyone surprised?

CBS is the network that was going to originally run that program “the Reagans.”
That was the program Michael Reagan worked so hard to stop because it was full of lies, like Ronald sanding naked in front of the TV saying something to the effect of screw the gays I don’t care that they have aids, and oh so much more.

RIP Ford

On Sept. 9 he threw Kerry a fund-raiser at a Beverly Hills hotel, raking in $10,000 for the senator's re-election campaign

$10,000? That's it? In Beverly Hills?

I've done fundraisers that raised more money at 8 am breakfasts for no name members. What a piker!

I graduated from a Catholic university in May and had to put up with a lot of prayers for peace and all the Bush-bashing that went along with that during the Iraq war, but I never expected for this subject line to show up from my list serve last night: THE MILITARY DRAFT MAY BE REINSTATED!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry to forward this to everybody on the list serve, I know this is not the place for forwards. This seems to be a good reason because it could drastically change all the educational goals of students.

Here is a copy of the bill that the president is trying to QUIETLY pass through legislation. This could mean the end of educational goals, family life, and being able to choose your life path. Please forward this to everyone you know so that it is not QUIETLY passed without a real vote from the people.

This was in blood red type and was followed by several pages of the actual act and its sponsors: Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE).

Here's my response:

You were right to apologize for sending this bit of hysterical propaganda -- complete with excessive and juvenile exclamation points -- to the university list serve. President Bush has absolutely nothing to do with this bill to reinstate the military draft, as you well know. It has been proposed by some of the most lunatic leftists in the U-S House (McDermott, who went to Baghdad to offer Hussein his support just before the war, and all the others listed as sponsors of this bill are DEMOCRATS).

No Republicans are talking about reinstating the draft, nor do they want the draft. The Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said he thought the draft would be a terrible idea and that our all-volunteer force is working out beautifully. We don't want people drafted into the military who don't want to be there. That's a guarantee that we'll end up with people like John Kerry who return from the war to denigrate the service of others while aggrandizing his own.

I have actually been shocked by the number of atta-girls I have gotten from fellow students (and even one professor) to my response. I had NO idea anyone felt as I did on this campus.

Charles--if Bush wins, and if he DOES bring back the draft, are you willing to go on record now that you will issue an apology to the blogosphere for your dogged refusal to admit the inevitable?

#20 neo,

Godwin's law is only meant to protect Leftists. It is still okay to associate Republicans and Libertarians with the National Socialist party (they are supposed to be similar, somehow). But it's just not fair to compare a socialist Democrat to a National Socialist. They are supposed to be different, somehow.

Indeed, he formulated his law specifically to protect Socialists from being compared to, well, Socialists.

When I knew him, Mike was very much into Karl Popper and his Open Society tripe. While I try not to assign guilt by association, it should be noted that foreign agitator and arch-monetarist George Soros (of MoveOn.Org fame) is also a huge Popper fetishist.

(I'm a scientist, so my objections to Popper are with his ignorance of the given, and I haven't studied his social theories, figuring they're just as silly as his pseudophilosophy of science.)

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Godwin's law is meant to keep people from learning the historical Socialist roots of the Nazi Party. It is intellectually lazy, and provides an "easy out" for Socialists who hate to be reminded how much like Nazis they really are.

So Godwin has unwittingly (because he has no wit) become the Internet's #1 Nazi apologist: if we cannot make comparisons to Nazis, how are we to tell when a Nazi does show up?

So back on topic -- is Dan Rather a Nazi?

Not to assign guilt by association (really, it's not my usual MO, really! :-), but Dan's daughter, Robin Rather, works vigorously to curtail property rights in my hometown. Most annoyingly for me, she worked for a group that made it illegal for citizens to enter vast (even by Texas standards) tracts of public parkland, making some of my favorite Hill Country hikes illegal. She works to increase the power of the Government at the expense of the Individual....

Dang that Nazi biyotch Robin Rather to heck!

#107 Mellissa

Way to go Mellissa.

Open letter to CBS News, posted to the CBS News comments (anybody got an e-mail address I can send this to?)

Richard Schlesinger's recent report on unsubstantiated rumors of plans to revive the draft (The Issues: Reviving the Draft) was journalism at its finest: socially conscious, unafraid, unyeilding, and REAL--notwithstanding its creative manipulation of the details. Bravo to CBS News for refusing to back down from its pro-Kerry stance in the face of mounting evidence of journalistic fraud. And cheers to Messrs. Schlesinger and Rather for resisting the pressure to base stories on actual facts or, lacking that, balance Liberal ideologies with dissenting viewpoints from respectable Conservatives (as if there were such a beast). The voting public owes CBS News a debt of gratitude for continuing to cut through the smoke screen of accuracy and objectivity to ensure the ascendancy of John Forbes Kerry to the highest office in the land, where he can begin preparing us for submission to our French overlords.

Though some may criticize CBS News for relying on largely discredited documentation to bolster a news story (see Factcheck.org's report "Draft Fears Fueled By Inaccurate E-Mail's"), the accuracy of evidence is largely unnecessary in the modern media age. What matters most is the believability of evidence and the unchallenged authority of those few brave messengers unwilling to let paltry matters like "journalistic integrity" or "honesty" prevent them from promulgating an enlightened, Liberal agenda. A perfectly Liberal society is, of course, an ideal toward which we all must strive--and the perfection of Liberal ideology justifies any actions taken to achieve that beautiful goal.

Of course, some will accuse CBS of "biased reporting," and suggest that Mr. Schlesinger's report creates the false impression that George W. Bush is pushing for the reinstatement of the draft when, in fact, both house bills mentioned in the story were introduced by Democratic legislators. Merely details, the inclusion of which would not change the essential truth of Mr. Schlesinger's story: Dubya will send your children to war!

Critics will charge that Schlesinger's choice of interviewees, Beverly Cocco,

"is a chapter president of an advocacy group called People Against the Draft (PAD) which, in addition to opposing any federal proscription, seeks to establish a “peaceful, rational foreign policy” by bringing all U.S. troops out of Iraq. Like Schlesinger’s Cocco, the group portrays itself as “nonpartisan” although its leadership seems to be entirely bereft of any Republicans." (courtesy of the fascist pigs at RatherBiased.com)

Hardly an objective viewpoint. But I say: Huzzah to Mr. Schlesinger for finding one of the few Republicans (ptooey!) enlightened enough to reject the false promises of the untrustworthy President of the United States of America in favor of a red-haired marionette.

Coming so soon on the heels of Mr. Rather's recent unfortunate brush with the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (a.k.a. the Pajaminati) some may even call for investigations--even resignations. Mr. Rather, Mary Mapes, and Richard Schlesinger may be publicly shamed and vilified. But indignation passes, the scars of shame fade. In the words of Bill Clinton: "Be not afraid." When future, enlightened generations look back at the elections 2004, they will recall Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, and Richard Schlesinger as heroes of the Glorious Liberal Revolution. Until that day, comrades: Courage!

#108 Dave J. Some people are just too lazy to actually learn facts surrounding a situation before they open their ill-informed mouth. Go back under the troll-rock you crawled out from Dave.

We should have mandatory government service. If you don't want to serve in the army you could be sent to teach in ghetto schools for example. Or have to bath drunk street people brought into the E.R. OR be sent to paint housing projects in Chicago.

I wrote about the liberal lies about the draft back in June...

Dan Rather's best new friend, Beverly Coco's email is:
[deleted]

Why don't you all email this nice crossing guard and ask her why she doesn't send more letters to Charlie Rangel, instead of contributing to an anti-Bush CBS scam?

OT RIP Ford:

Did you write that Caller
article in your profile?

I always wondered if that was where your nick came from...

Does anyone ever pause to think that, before bloggers were around to keep MSM honest, most all Americans routinely swallowed whatever stuff they wanted to feed us. How much of it do you suppose was based on the kind of biased information we are seeing these days?
Even a child learns that, if he touches the hot stove burner, it will burn. CBS must have set a new record for "dumbness" to turn right around and try to pull the same kind of trick again. If I was Viacom I would auction the CBS branch of the company to the highest bidder, assuming of course that any one would want it at this point!

Does anyone ever pause to think that, before bloggers were around to keep MSM honest, most all Americans routinely swallowed whatever stuff they wanted to feed us.

Which is why I haven't watched network news since high school (late 1980's).

That's what makes FNC so important.

#114 Aaron:

I wrote about the liberal lies about the draft back in June...

So did I, but those who don't read blogs and don't check the congressional web sites aren't getting the info.

If CBS keeps up with it's fictional news programing it will have to sign up some fictional advertisers to pay it some fictional money to sell fictional products to fictional customers who are fictional CBS viewers. Fictional, but accurate, assessment of the future of CBS.

#107 Melissa

Go you gutsy girl, thanks for confronting fake evidence appearing real. Truth is power.

Funny how C BS went from "reporting" the news to "creating" the news.

Sad part about it all is that it probably has been going on for an awful lot longer time than most of us realize.

I think most of us understand that newspapers have an opinion section for both editorials and letters from readers with comments on the topic of the day. My dad has said for years: Tune in to Dan Rather (or Brokaw, Jennings, Donaldson, ad nauseum) with "news and opinion. "

Way too many of us were duped for way too long a time. Until the internet we had no way of quickly (if ever) finding the truth.

Long live the free exchange of ideas!

#42 "Garry"

Well at least the disabled are represented here. It's obvious you have a mental handicap (Sorry to those disabled by chance) ...... Garry get a clue .... it's STUPID to be IGNORANT especially since you must read. Guess you just scan the headlines huh

Hi all, I searched this thread and didn't find the legislation introduced by Rangel and Hollings. I believe Conyers supported Rangel in the House. I found an "expert" link at Roll Call:

Roll Call - Rangel and Hollings introduce Draft legislation

In January, Rangel and Hollings introduced H.R. 163 in the House and S. 89 in the Senate, respectively. The legislation would re-institute a draft to compulsory military or alternative national service for men and women between the ages of 18 and 26 who are U.S. citizens or residents.

From there, you can go to Thomas and search by the HR 163 and S 89 numbers to find the legislation:

Thomas - HR 163 Rep Rangel Sponsor, 14 Cosponsors listed

S 89 - Sen Hollings Sponsor

CBS needs to offer classes in Internet research to their reporters. Getting facts is simply not difficult in this millenium.

It's a kerfuffle. Much ado about nothing. Watch it here:

See #5 CBS Draft Kerfuffle video

The video required me to switch from Safari to IE.

#80, justdanny, called for a boycott of CBS and its sponsors. Here's another idea:

If you subscribe to cable TV, call up your subscriber and ask to have CBS blocked from your account.

This way, you won't accidently see anything sponsored on CBS while channel surfing.

It has the added benefit of being "countable." If enough people get CBS blocked, the cable companies will be able to provide a tally of how many homes have opted out of CBS. IF enough people do this, it will produce a tangible number that just might get Viacom's attention. It may also cause some sponsors to reconsider advertising on CBS, if there's a good chance that fewer people are even watching that network at all.

#18 LOL :-)

#42 SpongeBob's pet is here! Yaaaaaayyyyy!

I thought Bush missed a real opportunity: The missing suitcase of uranium or plutonium that Kerry mentioned that was on the market for $ 200 million could be of interest and acquired by both El Queda and Saddam. In fact, the Yellowcake in the Congo is the same kind of deal. Saddam had the money ( Scammed from the UN through the Oil for Food program ) and the interest to acquire and use the fissile material. Does Kerry have the slightest doubt he was a potential ( perhaps real) customer ? He would still be trying to meet the global test when the mushroom cloud appeared.