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Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 1:43:36 pm PDT

CBS News is now trying to cover up their failure to identify Beverly Cocco as a chapter president of “People Against the Draft.”

The transcript of their broadcast from last night is here: CBS News - The Issues: Reviving The Draft.

The following line has been added to the “transcript,” since I first read it and linked to it earlier today:

Beverly Cocco is so concerned she is involved with the organization “People Against the Draft.”

Rathergate.com has a video capture of the broadcast, and this line is absolutely not in Richard Schlesinger’s report as it aired last night.

CBS News added it to cover their derrieres.

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1 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:45:52am

Wow. They are shameless. Not even a notice that the line was added, just "Trotsky is not in this photograph. Trotsky has never been in this photograph."
Can we yank these Pravda bastards' FCC license soon?

2 Lightning_Man  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:46:17am

Dig that hole!

3 rabid fanatic  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:47:06am

CBS needs to go away

4 Mike  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:48:20am

Hmmm ... I guess Winston Smith is now working for CBS News.

War is peace!
Freedom is slavery!
Ignorance is strentgh!

(PS - does this make Dan Rather Big Brother?)

5 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:50:13am

I can hear it now...

"Reporter Richard Schlesinger forgot to read that part of the script. CBS News regrets the error."

6 beyerku  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:50:20am

Are you kidding me? How hard is it for them to check that out? Oh, wouldn't be the first time someone could've made that argument...

7 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:50:40am
8 Paul  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:50:51am

Once you start lying it becomes a habit and now CBS is a liar without shame or scruples. It is also an arm of the DNC.

9 georges  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:51:14am

Viacom shareholders must be pulling their hair out.

10 TMF  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:51:33am

"these are not the droids you are looking for" -Obi Wan

"these are not the droids we are looking for" -Stormtrooper

11 mbruce  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:51:42am

I have been checking the Craig's list SF political post of late,and two things stand out,well three.1)They truly believe the draft rumor,2)they are frothingly anti-jew,in a most virulent form and 3)they are as crazy as anything I have ever seen.A bitter cesspool of the highest magnitude.Whiny commie dead-heads.They plan on stopping traffic during rush hour this friday to protest again.I say make them all the felons they dream they are so they cannot vote anymore.

12 tanvec  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:52:24am

CBS = Corrupt Bull Sh*t - they know they were caught and did they honestly think that adding a little snip it like that would make it all better? Maybe CBS stands for Can't Believe Schlessinger or Corrupt Bloviating Scumbags.

13 gumble  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:52:29am

European honeymoon won't happen for Kerry

A participant on the sidelines of talks in Berlin between Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and Richard Holbrooke, a would-be secretary of state in a John Kerry presidency, told a story about the meeting and the theme of how a Kerry-friendly Europe would leap to America's aid in bringing stability to Iraq. (Or maybe hide under the bed.)
.
"Schröder," the American said, "asked Holbrooke what Kerry would do if he were elected. Holbrooke replied one of the first things would be to get on the phone and invite him and President Jacques Chirac to the White House. The chancellor laughed out loud. Then he said, 'That's what I was afraid of.'"

The participant recalled the moment as very jolly. Everybody in the chancellor's office, including Holbrooke, a former ambassador to Germany, joined in the chuckles.
.
That was in June, when the subject was still handled elliptically. Early in September, a German official, asked privately by a visitor if Kerry's claim of good relations with Europe could get him a German military presence in Iraq, stifled a guffaw; an explicit response, but wordless, and difficult to transcribe.
.
But last week, just after Kerry's major speech on the war in which he insisted that the United States "must make Iraq the world's responsibility" and that others
"should share the burden," Schröder's sense of courtesy collided with reality and he drove a spike into the notion. He told reporters, "We won't send any German soldiers to Iraq, and that's where it's going to remain."

Looks like Kerry is living in his own "fantasy world of spin".

14 Rednek  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:53:14am

CBS news is one big Democrat Infomercial. If they were just honest about it and put a disclaimer at the begining and end of all news programs their ratings would go back up.

15 coach  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:53:17am

When is CBS going to figure out that now they are under the microscope and need to watch themselves? Does someone here want to ask CBS for a job fact-checking their asses? Hell, we're doing it for free now we might as well get paid for it!!

16 Cloud Master  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:53:36am

Broadcasters normally copywrite their bordcasts and the transcripts. I wonder if the original was copywrited. If so a comparison should be possible.

17 Thom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:53:41am

This is simply incredible. It's at least feasible that Rather is too stupid to see obvious forgeries, and too clueless to recognize hoax emails. And he's certainly partisan enough to run with the bogus draft story.

But CBS has now moved on to actively revising their own historical record. Which is very, very scary and profoundly unethical and dishonest.

CBS News must go.

18 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:54:05am

CBS hasn't learned a thing from Nixon or the Catholic church.

In both cases, the more serious, institutionalized crime was the routine coverup of misdeeds, not the misdeeds themselves. But CBS just keeps on covering up, making them more and more guilty.

19 Maine's Michael  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:54:29am

Note to fellow Jewish LGF readers:

If you have family or friends who you think or know are planning to vote Democratic come November, may I humbly suggest print out or email this this article for them to read.

Short, sweet, and to the point.

20 RIP Ford  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:55:22am

CBS hits bottom, digs.

At this rate, they might reach China before the election.

21 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:55:41am

mbruce,

Don't beat up craigslist too much. I met two of my girlfriends there.

22 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:55:56am

Don't they realize that their every move is being watched?
It's almost as if they have no idea how to be objective. It's just too dificult.

23 JohnAnnArbor  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:57:14am

One word:

fraud.

24 PostalWorker  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:58:14am

#13 gumble

Kerry is sitting on it, he might as well spin!

BTW, back from two weeks of down time. Feels good to be back.

25 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:58:39am
"these are not the droids you are looking for" -Obi Wan
"these are not the droids we are looking for" -Stormtrooper

I love it.

"CBS News...You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." Obi Wan

26 B0Z  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 11:59:45am

CBS forgot that they had said it before they didn't say it.

27 JohnAnnArbor  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:00:09pm

#26--


"...We must be cautious."

28 security mofo  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:00:56pm

er, I wonder what else these fine folks are going to do before the election, especially right before, when it might be too late to catch them doing their dirty work...

vigilance is no longer optional...

29 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:01:32pm

# 24 PW

How are you "coping" (pls. forgive me if that is not the proper word)

30 Renna  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:01:33pm

I think I might join a club like "People against the Draft." Can you imagine how satisfying the meetings are?

"Okay, what plans do we have this week to stop the draft?"

"There is no draft."

"Oh. Okay then. Let's go home."

31 gumble  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:01:43pm

Courage.

32 JohnAnnArbor  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:02:09pm

#27 was referring to #25.

It's scary when you can recite whole sections of "Star Wars." It's REALLY bad when you even remember the particular droid beeps in the dialog!

33 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:02:20pm

Maybe we should set up a CBSwatch.com. Or does Ratherbiased have that already covered?

34 Maine's Michael  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:02:47pm
Broadcasters normally copywrite their bordcasts and the transcripts.

By law, everything written/transcribed/put down on paper is automatically copywrited. There is no additioanl procedure or registration with any authority required.

Similary, painting are copywrited automatically as well.

Or so I believe.

For example, what I just wrote is copywrited. It's unclear to me whether I own it or Charles owns it (I suspect he does), but someone owns it.

35 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:03:47pm

it SO reminds me of the book 1984.

36 RIP Ford  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:03:47pm

#30 Renna

LMAO! What an excellent way to end the day. Thanks.

37 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:04:02pm

# 30 R

"So when do we meet next?"

"Oh, I dunno, maybe in a year or two, **if** a bill ever gets out of committee!"
:-)

38 Lansenkat  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:04:21pm

#32 JohnAnnArbor
I know what you mean. When my older daughter was 2 she would watch Star Wars EVERYDAY! For a year. We wore out the tape.

39 JohnAnnArbor  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:04:39pm

#30--

Good point. How about a new women's sufferage movement?

"But women can vote, dude."

"Oh. OK. Let's go home."

40 Mayor of Shadyville  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:04:39pm
41 bigpinkfluffybunny  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:05:46pm

It's getting to the point where I don't even trust CBS's weather reports!!

42 pilgrim shadow  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:05:53pm

CBS = Chicanery Broadcast Scheme

The dems have whined about the SBV's...who paid to have their voice aired. Now, on national TV...under the guise of 'news', the left wing propoganda branch has launched its full frontal assault.

Somebody please tell Emperor Dan that he's naked!

43 sefton  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:06:06pm

So is the transcript now fake but accurate?

44 Buckaroo  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:06:18pm

# 34 M M

The Lizard King owns it. When we're not running "silent & submerged" like right now he has the pertinent legalese on the LH side margin ..
:-)

45 John S  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:06:28pm

OK, I have read the "transcript" and listened to the video, which is available at the cbs news site.

It's actually not called a "transcript" and it does vary here and there from the words the reporter used. No doubt CBS is aware via drudge, etc., of the issue, and will say that they are adding some language that was intended to be in the original broadcast, and that they are simply making the story more complete -- not rewriting history. That's what they will say. FWIW.

46 DeKalb  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:06:40pm

On the topic of media bias, what does this headline suggest?

Israeli Military: Rocket kills 2 children

It's at CNN now and the story is about a rocket fired by "Palestinian militants" that killed two Israelis.

47 tanvec  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:07:03pm

#43:

Right, so that means all dems will accept it as truth

48 mich-again  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:07:12pm

People Against the Draft? Are they a bowling team that only drinks bottled beer.

I'm going to start People Against Meteors Crashing into Earth.

49 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:07:27pm

#7 song and dance man: sorry, I lost power. The laptop kept going but the modem it gets wireless from didn'a. I'll go look now.

50 gymnast  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:07:48pm

The CBS News Empire is reducing itself to such a wasteland that a crow would starve to death trying to fly over it.

51 beaker  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:08:06pm
Can we yank these Pravda bastards' FCC license soon?

No one needs to yank their license. In the end, broadcast news is a business and ratings pay the bills. In the end, Rather and CBS will be undone by this kind of news.

For the first time in its history, Fox News Channel beat the combined competition in primetime during the third quarter of 2004, with major headlines of the summer including the national political conventions and a brutal string of hurricanes.

Ultimately, the news division at CBS is going to have to face the bottom line. Their ratings are dropping like a rock, and they are facing the real threat of losing affiliate stations as well.

What will really tick off the LLL the most is that, once again, free-market forces will prevail. Capitalism is a great thing.

52 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:08:07pm

#25 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch


No no no... Mos Eisley is much cleaner and saner than CBS.


Not to sound too Star Wars Nerdy...

(and yes, I am upset that they made Greeno shoot before Han...)

53 Mashiki  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:10:01pm

#1 evariste : That's not a hole, it's a pit. The type where Morlocks live.

Just amazing the type of crap these bottom feeders are trying to pull. Do they think people are really that stupid? Wait...the answer to that question is yet.

54 greenmamba  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:10:29pm

#19 Maine's Michael

If you have family or friends who you think or know are planning to vote Democratic

Do, will, thanks.

OT:

Fox orders variety pilot from Barenaked Ladies

This is a Canadian LLL band. I've been giving away their CDs (that I bought for "the collection" not because I think they have much talent - yes I'm musicians' best friend.) They support Canada's NDP (Naturally Dhimmi Party; really New Democratic Party, they're a bunch o' commies. Just this week their leader attended a Tamil Tiger event calling the leader equivalent to Manson Neldela. I won't even tell you what they think of Arafish.)

What is Fox doing??? I've been keenly anticipating the arrival of Fox in Canada now I may have to start my own network.

Gotta go. The Bush family on Dr. Phil (Falter Dick)

55 grayp  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:11:24pm

I wonder if Dan-o will read a 'correction' tonite. One that might include the "OH yeah, it's the Democrats introducing this legislation".

G-d, See-BS must hate the internet.

BTW, hubby had a few meetings on the Hill today. One of them with a staffer to a Democratic Senator. The word is

All Democratic Senators think Kerry has lost.
And it looks like Senate races will break 53-47 for the Republicans (hubby's count)

56 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:11:35pm

Kerry pissed on and burned the flag on film?!?!
Please God let this be true. PLEASE.

57 swenocha  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:11:40pm

Note Letterman's latest on-line Top Ten contest topic:

Top Ten Fake CBS News Headlines

Have fun...

58 beblebrox  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:13:04pm

Whenever thay finally can Dan he has a long and prosperous career awaiting him at the North Korean Central News Agency.

59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:13:06pm

#25 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
#52 LanceKates

Sigh, last time guys

UN = Mos Eisley
CBS = Jabba's Palace

PS: HAN SHOT FIRST!!!

PPS: Boba Fett did not die in RotJ. He blew his way out of the Sarlacc 2 days later and was rescued by Dengar, who was looting the Sail Barge wreckage. (Just been wanting to clear up that misconception).

60 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:14:41pm

How do we scare fence-post kids into voting for Jean Kerrie? Oooo, make up something about a draft and Rock the Vote!

Expect CBS misinformation dissemination and collusion from these VIACOM companies (including MTV and Comedy Central).

I smell desperation.

61 N.A. PALM  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:15:49pm

IT's time to contact your congress person. I believe this is against the law and it must be stopped by our proaction, not by the program ratings or marketplace boycott.

There are millions of Rathers out there, trying to steal this election. Getting madder by the day...

62 ördög Johnson  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:15:55pm
63 Thom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:17:16pm

#56 evariste

Why you could knock me over with a feather. If that film exists, it's the next SBVFT ad.

64 Roger  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:18:26pm

#56 evariste, well then it is Hilary to the rescue...

65 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:18:38pm
Boba Fett did not die in RotJ. He blew his way out of the Sarlacc 2 days later and was rescued by Dengar, who was looting the Sail Barge wreckage.

Who was no doubt searching the wreckage for the missing Bush TANG memos.

66 Sarah D.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:19:16pm

#56 evariste

Wonder how the dems will spin this one, if it's true.

"Rove edited it to make it look like Kerry did it!

It's a forgery!

It doesn't matter, we do have freedom of speech ya' know (unless you're a conservative).

He was doing what we all wanted to do! He's such a hero!

He was the right urinator, at the right time!"

It should be interesting to see...

67 pilgrim shadow  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:19:17pm

#60: True...desparation

But I know enough people who don't know ANYTHING about what the candidates positions are...and have really no political understanding...who watch the news for 2 or 3 weeks before the election and then vote.

Misinformation to this degree is scary.

68 pilgrim shadow  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:19:55pm

Come to think of it...they'll all vote Democrat anyway

Nevermind

69 Skippy  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:20:27pm
Top Ten Fake CBS News Headlines

I submitted: "CBS: Our Next Story Will be True!"

70 NuclearTinkerbell  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:20:41pm

#59 Krager
Michael Moore = Jabba

71 beblebrox  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:21:11pm

How's this for size:

"I actually pissed on the flag, before I burned it."

72 Gretchen  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:21:20pm

Why doesn't CBS just broadcast the following at the beginning of each broadcast?

"I'm John Kerry and I approve of this message".

That should cover it.

73 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:21:49pm

Thom-well, according to song and dance man's post O'Neill has it, so it IS the SBVFT. You could knock me over with a feather right now too. song and dance man, any confirmation from Hannity?

74 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:22:12pm
(and yes, I am upset that they made Greeno shoot before Han...)

Yeah, that burned me too...I hate it when filmmakers go back and mess with their films. Like Spielberg and his radios instead of guns in g-men's hands in E.T.. Lame.

Back to the topic...I think Blather and See-BS have really gone off their rocker...I wonder if they'll change their tune when advertisers start disapppearing...

75 PostalWorker  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:22:34pm

#29 Buckaroo

I'm coping just fine. She left for a cowboy and I found a nice Apache girl to date. Ironic isn't it?

Life is SWEET!

76 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:22:40pm

Sarah, beblebrox, LOL!
More information from Dar ul Harb.

77 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:22:50pm

To the Top Ten contest, I submitted a new take on an historic Headline:

Kerry Defeats Bush

(something tells me they won't choose mine, or get the joke)

78 noshariaincanada  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:24:15pm

#40 Mayor

Norwegian pilots land plane after axe attack by passenger

"He [the attacker] is from Algeria.

79 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:24:15pm

I wish Charles would give us an Iranian revolution thread.

80 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:24:17pm

#59 kragar

spielburg changed it so that han wouldn't seem to 'mean'... he put in a laser shot and the sound in the 'redo' of starwars.

81 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:24:58pm
82 James P  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:25:09pm

Just when I thought CBS had said the dumbest thing they could, just when I thought they couldn't get any worse, just when I thought they had dug themselves the deepest hole they possibly could, they just kept on talking.

83 Cam  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:25:36pm

#79 evariste:

I wish Charles would give us an Iranian revolution thread.

You say you want a revolution?
We-ell y'know, we all wanna change the world...

;-)

84 Thom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:25:41pm

#73 evariste

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but it would be so sweet for that to be on national TV. And it makes sense to save the most appalling Kerry outrage for last. But it shouldn't take this long for Hannity to confirm ...

85 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:25:41pm

#80 Lance

I think you mean Lucas. Spielberg directed no Star Wars films.

86 Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:26:55pm

Is Dan Blather The Phantom Penace?...er...I mean Menace. Nah, maybe I was right the first time.

87 Thom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:27:37pm

No, Hannity just confirmed the pee story is NOT true.

88 Model4  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:27:58pm

Fraud? Designed to serve the Democrat party? From CBS? Now that's what I call news.

#15 coach: Half of them don't understand how very wrong what they're doing is, the other half think their fraud and deceit is justified. In either case, they're used to getting away with it. Who was going to narc on them? NBC? ABC? The NYT? All fellow travelers. And anyone from outside the Manhattan Politburo could count on being crushed and smeared for daring to ask "Uh, shouldn't you guys just tell the truth?"

Although CBS has standing out lately, and ABC it's moments of infamy a couple of years ago, it's been said that you're hard-pressed to tell the difference from any of the three newscasts. With their viewer numbers evaporating even as we get more citizens and TV sets, I'm suprised one of them hasn't had the stones to insist on making their news accurate and straight down the middle. It would be a rampaging success, easily distinguishible and superior to the competition. Yeah, Fox has beat them all to this punch, but their viewership is still relatively small in the evening news dept.

The news divisions have to be darn-well committed to their crusading ideology to turn down the chance to increase viewership and improve the quality of their product vastly.

89 jgold  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:28:36pm

OT:

Go to the Corner. The Iranian revolution has begun!
Good luck and god bless!

90 TMF  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:28:50pm

Maybe he burned the flag, felt remorse, then pissed on it to save it?

Anyways, even if true, it WONT make the national media. C'mon- you guys know the drill w/ the MSM!!!

Bury anything unfavorable to Kerry then belatedly report on it several weeks after it breaks in a way that makes Bush look responsible!

91 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:29:18pm

#53 Mashki:

#1 evariste : That's not a hole, it's a pit.

Not that argument again!

92 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:30:25pm

#85


I'm so upset at him that I call him that... yes... that's it... that's the ticket...


Actually, I'm so busy at work that my mind and my hands aren't thinking the same thing. ACK... another package!!!


fedex'll be here in 5 minutes.

93 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:31:09pm
94 grayp  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:31:16pm

YOu know what evariste, I'll bet that caller to Hannity saying there was a film with Kerry pissing on the flag is a setup. Bet he hopes Hannity ends up like Rather.

95 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:31:32pm

#87 Thom,

Disappointing, but I'm not surprised. If there were such a film, it would have come out during at least one of Kerry's Senate races, and we would have seen it before now.

However, there are so many pictures of him at anti-American anti-war rallies, I wouldn't be surprised if there's one showing him participating in a regular flag burning.

96 Security Mom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:31:33pm

Kerry is the one who has suggested national service for high school and college students and for senior citizens.

archived page from official Kerry for Pres web site

97 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:31:47pm

#56

Reminds me of some of the rumors that went around about the Clintons. And for that matter Bush. It's probably a little too over the top even for Kerry.

98 Thom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:32:07pm

I say again: Hannity confirmed the Kerry flag burning story is not true.

99 Mycroft Holmes  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:32:58pm

When the call out "Room 101!" for ol' Dan-o, I wonder what'll be inside?

100 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:33:08pm
101 beblebrox  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:33:32pm
When the call out "Room 101!" for ol' Dan-o, I wonder what'll be inside?

The truth?

102 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:33:37pm

grayp, it's very possible. I'm still holding out hope it's true and O'Neill's only denying it now because the timing's wrong. We'll only know it doesn't exist for sure if we don't see it by Nov 1.

103 SleepyInSeattle  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:33:56pm

Must have slipped their minds...

104 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:34:13pm
YOu know what evariste, I'll bet that caller to Hannity saying there was a film with Kerry pissing on the flag is a setup. Bet he hopes Hannity ends up like Rather.

Good point. Or someone on the right who is stuping to the level of the LLL's. We don't need that. It would discredit the real Kerry things we talk about.

105 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:35:50pm

One thing is for sure, isn't it interesting about Kerry, that it's so easy to believe something like this about him?

106 Duder  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:36:38pm

OT:

For anyone else in Illinois who thinks Keyes is a moron:

Check out the Libertarians this year

[Link: www.kohn2004.org...]

107 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:37:41pm
108 Mycroft Holmes  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:38:16pm

I could never buy the Kerry-p!ssing-on-the-flag story.

I mean really, can you imagine an effete Brahmin like John Kerry saying "Excuse me while I whip this out"?

puh-leeeze

109 ördög Johnson  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:39:59pm

#79 evariste

24 hrs rule. It is unclear what is happening. Clashes with mulla goons do not a revolution make. It may be good idea to check Iranian bloggers, this is coming from one source, so I would not hold hopes high yet.

OTOH, it may be that regular Iranians know they do not have much time--the nuke production is on the go.

110 Splatterbottom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:40:39pm

I blame George W. Bush for all of this. He has introduced a revolutionary strategy in this campaign.

The strategy consists of making sure that he and his campaign don't tell lies. Its part of being a credible leader.

Then when Kerry's media running dogs such as CBS retail the democrat lies they are exposed and discredtit themselves and the Kerry campaign.

The postmodern left don't get it. They have been taught at college that truth doesn't matter any more, that its all about power. They forgot that in a democracy you need to tell the truth to get into power.

111 erik144  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:40:40pm

This thing goes deeper. I am sure of it.

Nobody would spontaneously form a group called "People against the Draft", because there is no draft.

I bet that the founding of this "organization" can be tied back political motivations. I'm not saying that Kerry knew about it, but I have no doubt that someone created "People against the draft" for the explicit purpose of makeing us think there is going to be a draft.

How can we figure out who is funding / organizing "People against the Draft"?

112 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:40:40pm
113 J.D.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:40:40pm
114 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:42:57pm

Mycroft Holmes:

I could never buy the Kerry-p!ssing-on-the-flag story.

I mean really, can you imagine an effete Brahmin like John Kerry saying "Excuse me while I whip this out"?

The desire to belong is a very powerful impulse. Kerry was an outsider everywhere he went. He was too poor for his school friends, too effete in the military. Now he was in the anti-war movement, you don't think he'd try to prove he was more Catholic than the Pope out of insecurity? I think it's very plausible. You're imagining him as a grown man. I'm imagining him as a pathetic, needy boy who ran home tail between his legs from 'Nam after faking injuries and was now pushing his luck and trying to get as much mileage as he could out of it.

115 pat  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:44:08pm

This is outrageous. The COVERUP. By the way, I also believe and voiced here months ago that in my estimation Kerry is a dimwit. An arrogant dimwit. The reason the Dems only allude to his intelligence is because this quys grades, SATs, LSAT and IQ are in the pits.

116 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:45:47pm

#112 Song_and_dance_man


Ted Kennedy isn't such a bad guy... I mean, he just hates Bush, dislikes the military, fears our victory and like John Kerry...

ok. you win.

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:46:44pm
118 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:46:56pm

#115 pat

Well yeah... but he's rich and I"m smart and poor.

Some days i'd rather be rich.

119 applesweet  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:48:57pm

OT: Via Roger Simon is this article.
After reading this if you aren't near something alcoholic to drink you'll wish you were. :(

[Link: www.truthnews.net...]

120 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:49:19pm
By the way, I also believe and voiced here months ago that in my estimation Kerry is a dimwit.

pat, when you voiced that you were exactly right. I've never seen a single piece of evidence to support the assertion that Kerry is in any way an intelligent man.

121 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:49:22pm
122 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:51:57pm
123 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:53:22pm

#66

They will answer it with a document that GWB got preferrential treatment in the Nat'l guard.

Plus they'll say "quagmire" alot.

124 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:53:52pm
I bet that the founding of this "organization" can be tied back political motivations. I'm not saying that Kerry knew about it, but I have no doubt that someone created "People against the draft" for the explicit purpose of makeing us think there is going to be a draft.


I was thinking the same thing. It's kind of like DNC, CBS, Boston Globe, etc all running with the Bush was missing story on the same day.

These people may not be connected to Kerry, but it is part of the Dems no effort to scare people about the draft.

125 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:54:07pm

applesweet :-( That ruins my day.

126 Mycroft Holmes  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 12:58:31pm

#114

Well ... I still don't buy it.

Ol' Johnny has always struck me as more of a sitzpinkler.

127 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:00:24pm

Mycroft, heh :-) I love that word.
I don't know, man. I'm clinging to a thin hope that it's true here :-)

128 foreign devil  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:00:32pm

That's IT! How did we get the last story from us to the box? We need to get Joe Scarborough or someone sympathetic to the TRUTH to listen to this. Again! from CBS.

Not a week has gone by and not only do they air the already weeks' old disproven hoax as bona fide news, but they attempt to cover-up the depth of their sloppy newsgathering by creatively "editing" the original script of the broadcast by Richard Schlesinger.

CBS is SHODDY AND SCHEMING! SHAME ON THEM!

129 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:02:14pm
I mean really, can you imagine an effete Brahmin like John Kerry saying "Excuse me while I whip this out"?

puh-leeeze

True. He might even be a "never-nude"
/arrested development

130 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:04:20pm

#120

...I've never seen a single piece of evidence to support the assertion that Kerry is in any way an intelligent man.


What about taking WAY TOO MANY beta-ceratine supplements? That shows that he's saavy on nutrition and overall health.

131 Dianna  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:04:20pm

#129 Lizard

I don't get that reference. What's 'never nude'?

132 Bob with one O  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:04:45pm

If they've done this to us twice now in one month, what the hell else have they snowed us with. Can the other networks be far behind?

133 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:08:18pm

Kerry pissing on a flag? I won't believe it!

Kerry using a beday(sp) next to the flag? That I believe!

Doesn't he pee sitting down anyway?

134 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:09:29pm

Dianna: just what it sounds like. Someone so prudish he is wearing an article of clothing at all times.

135 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:10:08pm

HUSKER: bidet. But I like your American spelling better, fuck the French. Beday it is, sir :-)

136 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:11:19pm

#135

merci . . . er . . . I mean F**kin' eh!

137 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:11:52pm

HUSKER, LOL!

138 Dianna  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:12:07pm

I thought that story was a hoax, and congrats to Hannity for checking it on the air.

Why is the right wing suddenly the place of ethics and rationality? I remember some really unhinged commentary from the 90's, and thinking that being a Republican was hard about three days per week.

Now, all I can think is that it must really, really hurt to wake up and remember you're a Democrat.

139 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:12:12pm

Dianna,

It was a joke about a psychological condition a character on the show "Arrested Development" was suffering from. He wore a pair of tight denim cutoffs under everything he wore, even in the shower and in bed.

BTW, that was the funniest show of last year. Too bad it's always the really funny ones that get cancelled.

140 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:12:27pm

Dianna, you ever hear about how Victorian women would never get completely undressed?

141 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:12:54pm
But Beverly's not buying it. She's a Republican, but also a single-issue voter.
Would she vote for a Democrat? "Absolutely," she says. "I would vote for Howdy Doody if I thought it would keep my boys home and safe."

There's something fishy here. Is this Nordog's Mom?

142 Beagle  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:14:41pm

#133 HUSKER

I have it on good authority, from an unimpeachable source, one who must remain unnamed as this person is too close to Senator Kerry to risk exposure, that Kerry is -- in fact -- an undeniable underlying truth -- a sitzpinkler.

143 Dianna  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:14:47pm

#140 evariste -

Um, then what about the whole thing about unhooking a lady's corset?

144 thinkingmom  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:15:45pm
Beverly Cocco is so concerned she is involved with the organization “People Against the Draft.”

Aside from the dishonesty of tacking that onto a "transcript," I love the implication that this LLL is just an ordinary citizen who was driven to the organization by the evil policies of Bushitler. "So concerned" implies there is a legitimate basis for fighting "the (nonexistent) draft."

I posted this late in an earlier thread, but some of you may enjoy this parody:
The Ballad of Dan Rather

145 mailmars  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:15:51pm

#56
Kerry Pissed on and burned the flag on film?!?!

Please God let this be true. PLEASE.


God says...NO... hoax...

146 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:16:30pm

Beagle. Holy crap! LOL!
Dianna, I dunno. I've never even seen a corset. I just remember reading that Victorian ladies wouldn't take off their underwear even when bathing as it was indecent.

147 Dianna  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:21:45pm

#146 evariste

There's a lot of conflicting stuff about the Victorians. Frankly, I would suspect that stuff about not getting naked even while bathing wouldn't be true except in some very small sections of the public.

OTOH, if you've never seen a corset, never mind worn one, you don't understand why the Victorians were so very strange, sexually. If you have a Dickens Christmas Faire anywhere near you, you can experiment.

148 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:23:10pm

In an attempt to appear cool and in touch with pop culture, Kerry is launching his Hollywood career in a new movie starring alongside Seann William Scott. It's called, "Dude Where's my SkinTone?"

Also, a Broadway performance piece entitled, "Orange you glad I didn't say Banana?

149 remay1  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:24:38pm

Top 10 CBS Fake Headlines:

I submitted:

CBS: We report, We decide.

150 Beagle  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:26:44pm

#146 evariste

But good, decent pro-'Mericans like yourself, respectful of God and country, mark your territory like patriotic 'Mericans do. [big juicy spit]

OT:OT:OT: It's a BOY! Only 20 more weeks to go (until ETB -- estimated time of birth). Yes, a girl would have been fine. I was far more concerned counting fingers, toes, stomach, kidneys, etc.

151 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:27:12pm

Dianna, I'll look out for it! Thanks.

152 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:28:31pm

Beagle: damn straight! I pee outdoors whenever I can, too. It's my favorite thing. Peeing inside feels unbearably domestic and tame.
Mazel tov!

153 FrankNH  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:29:57pm

Brit Hume on FOX is going to be covering the CBS incident right after this break.

"Has CBS stepped into it again? The Bloggers are all over this on the internet. We'll cover it right after the break", says Brit.

154 michaelg  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:31:03pm

Brit Hume is fixin to talk about CBS's second screwup.

155 Beagle  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:31:29pm

ON TOPIC:

Changing news articles happens all the time. I had bookmarked a Washington Times piece based on an AP story. The article dealt with the Bradley swarm which our attack chopper nailed (silent high five). The article noted that the 'insurgents' had put al-Zarqawi's flag in the barrel of the Bradley's main gun. The next day, that fact was gone. I've seen the pictures. The 'civilians' did put the terrorists' flag into the main gun.

156 Cam  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:33:16pm

#150 Beagle:

LOL! First, congrats. When my brother's wife caught pregnant with their first, I asked him what he would prefer. He told me it didn't matter, so long as it had ten fingers, ten toes, and a dick.

;-)

157 medved  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:33:37pm

evariste - that is not Trotsky in the picture. As far as I can determine, that is Genrikh Yagoda, who was the head of NKVD before Lavrenti Beria.

158 daughter of patriots  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:35:16pm

6:30 pm eastern, Fox News reports its the bloggers exposing the CBS story re: Ms Cocco & her association with People Against the Draft. Kudos to littlegreenfootballs, not that the name came up, but we know its you, Charles.

159 Kevin P.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:39:23pm

Damn! I missed most of Brit's segment. No fear thought, I will be watching the rebroadcast at 11pm.

Thanks again for keeping us informed, Charles. Thanks to all bloggers for that matter.

160 Maui Girl  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:40:39pm

Bottom line to all of this CBS nonsense is that the media is not to be trusted. Especially the MSM. That's why I have taken to watching FoxNews more and definitely getting my daily dose of LGF!

Ignorance may be bliss but it can get you killed!

161 Kevin P.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:41:27pm

GRRR!

thought=though

PIMF

162 wizofodd  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:51:11pm

#41 bigpinkfluffybunny

CBS weather report:

"We are experiencing unusual hurricane activity and tornadoes as the direct result of Bush policies refuting Kioto Accords and encouraging the raping of our environment causing world global warming.

Meanwhile sunshine and moderate temperatures continue to follow Senator Kerry as he travels the country exposing Bush as a liar, Texas Air National Guard deserter, and known enemy of children.

Forecast: With the expected election of Sen. Kerry, glorious weather will continue into the foreseeable future. If the unfortunate re-election of the dastardly George Bush interrupts the expected fair weather front, expect doom."


What bias? I'm just reporting the weather."

163 HUSKER  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:51:52pm

Maui girl. Are you on Maui?

164 Phil.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:58:28pm

#30 Renna

I think I might join a club like "People against the Draft." Can you imagine how satisfying the meetings are?

"Okay, what plans do we have this week to stop the draft?"

"There is no draft."

"Oh. Okay then. Let's go home."


LMAO! That was one of the funnier things I've heard lately.


Hubris, thy name is Rather.

165 greenmiler  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:58:53pm

Hey guys and girls

I'm trying to contact Charles via e-mail and it's not working..I've got rights to a url I'd like to donate to the cause against these rat-bastards and I need to some guidance.

166 Jim Patrick  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:04:55pm

Nobody at CBS bothered to mention the People Against the Draft's resolution did they?

1. We reject reinstatement of the military draft;
2. We reject other attempts to militarize our youth, or to reintroduce conscription by stealth, including compulsory "National Service";
3. We call for an end to the war in Iraq and an end to US wars of aggression;
AND
4. Copies of this resolution shall be sent to local elected officials and to each member of the state delegation in Congress.


Interesting that little bit escaped the scrupulous eye of Sauron. Just another leftist anti-war group, hyped up with spam emails, and a leader's labeled by CBS as 'Republican'.

167 Dave the.....  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:05:07pm

#164

One of the most successful groups around.

I'm going to form a group to fight the storage of nuclear waste in the arm of the Statue of Liberty.

168 evariste  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:10:05pm

#156 Cam, LMAO!

169 Phil.  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:12:45pm

Dave, yeah, all the satisfaction of feeling you've accomplished something (like ending the draft) without any of the effort. ;)

170 DumbBlondeCapitalist  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:13:09pm

This is the only article I could find about JFK being peripherally involved in flag burning:

Did he or didn't he?

171 Lykos  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:15:40pm

Just a small clarification, if her letter to the editor is accurate, the organization is actually Parents Against The Draft, not People.

But who expected CBS to be accurate?

172 a noble vision  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:19:20pm

I finally figured it out...

The "C" stands for "Continuous"

as in "Continuous Bull Sh1t"

173 Lykos  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:19:20pm

Hrmm, just saw #166 up there. Maybe they're 2 different organizations?

174 piglet  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:25:19pm
Maui girl. Are you on Maui?


Kuhi no ka lima,
hele no ka maka.

Where the hands move,
there let the eyes follow.

Aloha `oe! Maui Girl

175 Right Wing Nutt  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:26:00pm

NBC ran a draft story like this on news tonight. they did atleast mention it was sponsored by dem's in house and senate.

by running the story it puts the mere fear of it in peoples minds

176 Shrewd-Attitude  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:34:58pm

Hey, with their prime time ratings so bad, perhaps the CBS evening news could be transformed into a comedy show!

177 manofaiki  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 2:45:32pm

Sung to the tune of 'She'll Be Coming 'Round The Mountain When She Comes'

They'll be tryin' to fool us again 'cause they think we're dumb,

They'll be tryin' to fool us again 'cause they think we're dumb,

They'll be tryin' to fool us again,
They'll be trying to fool us again,

They'll be tryin' to fool us again 'cause they think we're dumb!


The blogs will catch their deceptions one by one,
The blogs will catch their deceptions one by one,

The blogs will catch their deceptions,
The blogs will catch their deceptions,

The blogs will catch their deceptions one by one!

Ever'body's blogging now don't they know?
Ever'body's blogging now don't they know?

Oh, ever'body's blogging,
Ever'body's blogging,

Ever'body's blogging don't they know!

manofaiki

178 Maine's Michael  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 3:03:52pm

DVD of American's beheading is hot item in Gaza

compare and contrast with:

Powell said President George W. Bush desperately wants to help create a Palestinian state for the Palestinian people to live side-by-side in peace with Israel.

What the fuck is wrong with the State Department?

Is there no depth of depravity the palestinians can sink to deep enough to lose them american support for a state?

179 manofaiki  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 3:06:20pm

'Scuse me? Hey, buddy, 'Scuse me???!!!
Yeah, you. CBS.

Maybe you don't hear so good.

Maybe you need to go to a doctor and get the ol' ears cleaned out. You must have a real wax build up.

Didn't we just catch you trying to pull a fast one on us a few weeks back?

Those forged documents?

Oh, yeah, now you remember.

You musta forgot we were still out here.

Well let me tell you something, see.

We're moving into the neighborhood and we're gonna be around real permanent like.

And we're gonna be watching you. Every story you tell you had better fact-check it up the wazoo first, because we're not gonna put up with any more funny stuff like you've been doing for, oh, the past 30 years or so.

We gotta real problem with the fake draft story you broadcast the other night.

Now we don't wanna hafta take you out back and get all medevial here, but our patience is wearing kinda thin.

You guys are on notice. We are gonna check, recheck, and then triple check every fact of every story you put out.

Consider it a free service.

Now I had more important things I coulda been doing right now insteada coming all the way out here and talking to you about doing your job honestly the first time around.

I coulda been playing Halo on my XBox or checking out all the neat posts at Little Green Footballs.

But no, you made it so I hadda come down here and have a talk with you.

This makes me very unhappy.

I guarantee you if I have to look you up again you're the one who's gonna be very unhappy.

Got that, chump?

manofaiki
consigliere to the Blog Mafia

180 Fondu  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 3:09:34pm

Jacob Levitz was a founding member of "People Against the Draft". I have not been able to find too much about him. In most articles, it only says that Jacob is a writer and activist based in New York. He is involved with forming protests and says that he is a union member of United University Professions. The online magazine "Counterpunch" lists a lot of his articles along with a Marxist site. I have also seen his articles show up on a Socialist web site.

Jacob Levich is "a longtime antiwar activist and freelance journalist. He was a contributing editor of Research Unit for Political Economy's Behind the Invasion of Iraq (comparing the Iraq war to British control of India), described by Nelson Mandela as "a significant contribution to the debate" on the Iraq War. He is an administrator at Stony Brook University in Stony Brook, Long Island. Jacob Levitz, whose father is Jewish and mother a Protestant, is pro-Palestine and has been involved with several petitions and protests to "stop Israel's occupation".

I can not find much else about him. I do know that he has been mass emailing those draft emails, even to Australia.

181 Rufus Lee King  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 3:19:32pm

CBS wrote the book on Orwellian Newspeak. And revises it daily.

182 GrannyGrump42  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 4:05:25pm
"Has CBS stepped into it again? The Bloggers are all over this on the internet. We'll cover it right after the break", says Brit.

Stepped into it? They're making it then wading in it.

183 johnCV  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 4:13:04pm

From a 2 part series highlighting how BOTH candidates are flip-floppers. Here's one against GWB:

Iraq and the Sept. 11 Attacks

In a press conference in September 2002, six months before the invasion of Iraq, President Bush said, “you can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror... they're both equally as bad, and equally as evil, and equally as destructive.”

In September of 2004, Mr. Bush said: “We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11th." Though he added that “there's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties,” the statement seemingly belied earlier assertions that Saddam and al Qaeda were “equally bad.”

The Sept. 11 commission found there was no evidence Saddam was linked to the 9/11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people.

This is some weak ass shit to be throwing around. David Paul Kuhn, the propagandist at cBS, is a mental punk for this kind of 'reasoning'.

Hey Kuhn, show me where the fuck Bush said saddam was responsible for 9-11! Just ONE quote will do.
This is your number 2 Bush flip-flop? You're spinning this BS by saying AlQ is a terrorist, saddam is a terrorist, therefore GWB says saddam and AlQ are the same, and by extension he is responsible for 9-11. Then you refute this 'logic' by saying the 9-11 commission doesn't back Bush up on this point. WTF?
I am now going to take this personally. If you think I am THIS stupid, to believe bullshit like this - Fuck You and the camel you rode in on.

Lizardoids, sorry for the language, this just hit me as so very wrong. I now will do everything in my power to stick a finger in cBS' eye. These lying scumbags have dropped any figleaf of journalistic rigor and have become nothing but a BDS infested kerrytoadies.

184 foreign devil  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 5:50:53pm

If Parents Against the Draft is associated, as someone has earlier said, with International A.N.S.W.E.R. that makes it also associated or linked to United for Peace and Justice who were front and center of the demonstrations at the RNC Convention outside Madison Square Gardens in NYC this past summer and got themselves hauled to jail by the truckload.

This is who CBS has an "uninpeachable" source?

185 PSP turn key  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 5:55:40pm

CBS is probably recalling the old saying: It's hard to remember exactly why you wanted to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in little green lizards! Been lurking around LGF for a lng time, finally took the leap and posted...

186 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 5:55:55pm

On 60 Minutes tonight, C-BS tried to get NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt, Jr to make some salutary remarks about F9/11. He packed it right back to 'em. Way to go, Li'l E.

187 swenocha  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 6:23:48pm

I submitted a few headlines for the Letterman contest (including the original headline for the TANG piece which has to be the winner in my mind...). My favorite was:

"Kerry: Bush executed a "secret plan" to make me look like an Oompa-loompa"

Vote early, vote often...

188 No Oil For Pacifists  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 7:08:41pm

Great catch, Charles. My recent post predicts an 18 1/2 minute gap in last night's newscast!

[Link: nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com...]

Not just biased, CBS's Kerry cheerleading has made them stupid. Which, I conclude, is "consistent with the three rules of scandals:


1. Few recall the crime.

2. Most remember the cover-up.

3. Everyone forgets rule # 2."

189 JWM  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 7:17:10pm

This is a CBS ad dated September 22, 1945, printed in New Yorker magazine. Be ashamed CBS. Be very ashamed at what you have become.


"CBS' 18 foreign correspondents are moving quietly into new bases of operation as the swords start reconversion into plowshares, pens and plastics. One thing all radio listeners learned from them during war was that these calm and competent people had a way of posing clearly for us at home our next critical decisions, by their objective reports of the latest crirical actions
It would be imprudent and probably wrong to assume that there will be fewer decisions for us all in the days to come. It will probably be dangerous to relax the attentitiveness we acquired and developed for reliable news from around the world. These CBS people aren't relaxing; every lesson war has taught them will enrich their peacetime reporting. What's more, their candor can't be hamstrung by military censorship. This adds up to a sincere suggestionthat you continue to rely on CBS world news; it has not let you down; it will not."
190 norar  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 7:50:19pm
Beverly Cocco is so concerned she is involved with the organization “People Against the Draft.”

Well, if she is involved with this organisation (in whatever capacity) she is certainly in a position to know perfectly well who is proposing the draft bill, i.e. Democratic congress representatives. Therefore, her involvement in the disinformation program by CBS makes her a liar twice: she trades the integrity of the 'People Against the Draft' organisation, and also consciencely participates in the deceit of public perpetrated by CBS.

191 big L  Wed, Sep 29, 2004 8:00:38pm

I wonder if Sumner Redstone, chairman of Viacom that owns CBS is thinking...
"Gee, this CBS News division is costing loads of bucks.Now it is dragging down the corporation's reputation and soon the stock price...
Perhaps the board will agree and we shutter the News division and say we're distributing the reporters to 'local affiliates' and letting the locals handle the news--world and local news. We get an immediate boost in stock value and we off-load these troublesome dopes.
I'll bring it up to the Board after the election...'

my $.02

192 dustyroadguy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:21:17am

editorial/opinion New York Post


New York Post Online Edition

Dan Rather (and CBS News) got snookered by political malcontents with an axe to grind. AGAIN!!!
193 Bucky Katt  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 3:31:31am

Bill at INDC has an interview with several of the See-BS Evening News employee's on the draft e-mail/hoax story:

INDC Interviews CBS Evening News

Here's a real choice quote from Mr. Karas:

The truth of the e-mails were absolutely irrelevant to the piece, because all the story said was that people were worried.

Sound familiar?


"Martha, get the shotgun...the herd needs a thinin!" - Bucky Katt

194 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:19:30am

Moving along from see-BS, Orin Kerr of The Volokh Conspiracy has an interesting piece about how NYTurd, WaPo and AssPress have chosen to present a recent story for the public forced feeding.

Instead of reporting how a the Southern District of New York struck down part of a 1986 law known as the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, our illustrious propagandists prefer to report how the'court struck down a major part of the Patriot Act, in a blow to the Bush Administration's overzealous response to terrorism.'

It appears our MSM is fixated upon reporting more and more news as 'fake but accurate.'

195 Dean Douthat  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:20:20am

Did anybody notice an omission of a highly relevent fact from the CBS interview of Mrs. Cocco? Where was this question to her:

"There are currently two bills to restart the draft pending in Congress, both introduced by members of one party; does that fact influence which party you would favor?"

196 Swede  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:32:24am

Leopards don't change their spots.

197 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:38:02am

Here's a post you can kick around, it is slightly OT: I think the draft is a good idea, if two things: 1.It applies to all young citizens, say for two years, at about age 20. 2. It is expanded in scope, including not only military service as one option, but other types of national service as well - plant trees, clean up superfund sites, help out at Boy Scout camps, etc. ... Am I being too idealistic here?

198 dustyroadguy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:59:35am

Ojoe

The function of the military is to break things and kill people...quickly, violently, and overwhelmimgly.

It takes almost 5 years to competently train and experience a frontline troop today...

the only thing a draft is good for is a country that wants to raise an army on the cheap that is not very effective eccept for un-willing targets for an enemy to destroy...

there are more than enough men and women in this country willing to volunteer for the military...the problem is daschle as the senate minority leader along with his fellow democraps in the senate and the house who are un-willing to raise the troop strength cap currently imposed on the services...replace the democraps in congress with conservatives and a draft will never be required!

199 The Monster  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 5:17:20am

#193

I'm waiting for See BS to do a story about the Nigerian plans to give millions of dollars to Americans.

The truth of the e-mails is absolutely irrelevant to the piece, because all the story will say is that people are willing to believe certain things without checking them out... uh...

200 Renna  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 5:23:29am

My gut says that the Peeing on the Burning Flag story was floated by the dems to "prove" that Fox or repubs would run with a story without authenticating it too.

201 dustyroadguy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 5:31:04am

renna

having lived through that era there were a number of demonstrations where the VVAW burned and urinated on the flag...though away medals and otherwise acted like the idiots they were...as for kerry actually being caught on film "personaly doing the urinating activity"...I don't remeber ever seeing any...however there is a lot of photos of him being nearby or at the same protests where that kind of bullshit took place.

202 Renna  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 5:44:59am

dusty

Oh, I remember the flag burning as well. And we know he was part of groups that did such things and at events where they took place. That's why it would be believable and therefore tempting to repeat the story without fact-checking.

But fact-check we do because otherwise, we'd just be Dan Rather.

Probably shot with a digital camcorder and there's a guy in the background wearing a YuGiOh shirt.

203 BingoBunny  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:46:14am

The Kerry flag burning story is probably just some struggling LLL Karl Rove wantabe. Even if its true we don't need it, let kerry have his fond memories of being the anti war death angel. He'll need them when Teeer$$a demands he paints her toe nails or lose his sail board solo time.


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