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Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 11:59:01 am PDT

The Boston Globe climbs into their time machine and files a report from the future on tonight’s debate: Bush and Kerry meet in first of three debates with Kerry needing to make up ground. (Hat tip: gm33.)

CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) After a deluge of campaign speeches and hostile television ads, President Bush and challenger John Kerry got their chance to face each other directly Thursday night before an audience of tens of millions of voters in a high-stakes debate about terrorism, the Iraq war and the bloody aftermath.

The 90-minute encounter was particularly crucial for Kerry, trailing slightly in the polls and struggling for momentum less than five weeks before the election. The Democratic candidate faced the challenge of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief after a torrent of Republican criticism that he was prone to changing his positions.

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1 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:00:21am

The Glob is JFnK's house organ.


In every sense of the word.

2 Truth Junkie  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:00:41am

Maybe we could ask them the results of the election while they've got the crystal ball out...

3 revenge of chalmers  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:01:38am

So, who won?

4 FrankNH  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:02:24am

Not to worry.
All the rest of the MSM will be spinning as well.

5 Condor  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:04:03am

Hey, can I get the stock market results for next month if I subscribe to the Globe? They may have something here. . .

6 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:04:07am

Well, at least they don't try to predict the outcome of this debate, or what exactly the candidates said, and there is nothing in the article which will be contradicted by what happens this evening, unless for some reason the debate has to be called off.

But still!

Do they have any editors with any working brain cells left?

Or is that a rhetorical question?

7 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:04:22am

It's an al-Associated Press piece picked up by the Boston Globe.

I would like to congratulate them both on their clairvoyance and request the winning Florida Lotto numbers for the next drawing.

8 Pax Americana  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:05:26am

"Cruising to his debate victory, the only snafu for Senator Kerry was when a small black dog ran on stage and snagged the seat of his pants, revealing his white buttocks, contrasting with his deep Coppertone tan."

9 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:05:56am

Terence Hunt isn't the official Kerry Kids Kampaign biographer though, is he?


The debate's focus on Iraq was sharpened by bombings in Baghdad Thursday that killed three dozen children.


Since JFnK will use every bad event in Iraq (Bad for America=Good for Kerry- I suspect people in the Kerry Klown Kamp are hoping for a Beirut Marine barracks kind of disaster a week or two before the election, and I'm sure the various jihadis of Iraq are aiming to deliver), and he is obviously the candidate of the mullahs, Salafis, Ba'athists, Marxists, Leninists, Maoists, et al I suspect a lot more children and civilians will be targeted in an attempt to help him defeat Bush.

10 applesweet  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:06:08am

That's a hoot! Can we rent out this time machine they've got? I've got a few places I'd like to visit and make some changes.

OT:

Has anyone else read this?


"Sorry Folks

Despite my recent legal research, I missed this:

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has launched a criminal investigation into forged military records allegedly obtained from President Bush's National Guard file that were aired by CBS News three weeks ago, referring a congressional request for the probe to the investigative division of the Texas Rangers.

Supoena power, here we come."

[Link: www.indcjournal.com...]

11 gm33  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:06:19am

ditto the AP ref (it's starting to spread):

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Oh, by the way...first hat tip. Thanks!

12 Mary  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:06:31am

Do the Red Sox finally win it all (she asked with hope in her voice)?

13 john5z  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:07:06am

Who won?

Dewey Defeats Truman!

14 mars-embassy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:07:08am

So, where were you next Thursday night?

15 Lapsed Leftist  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:07:32am

The sad thing is that considering the limitations on the debate format and questions, not to mention the relative temperments of the candidates, I bet this article would look exactly like the real Globe article written after the debate.

I'd like to see a direct, go-after-each-other battle. Let Kerry defend himself against a direct attack; he hasn't been forced to do that yet against a single real hardball question since the primaries while that's all Bush does these days, it seems. It would be a slaughter.

16 Model4  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:07:45am

#3 revenge of chalmers:

So, who won?

I'm guessing Dewey.

17 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:08:04am

Wow. Do they have the results of the Super Bowl, World Series, and the Friday Nite MegaMillions numbers too? I'd love to have them - for educational purposes only.

/marty mcfly.

Media organizations routinely push articles on known and notable events, pending their outcome. Sometimes they accidentally push them prior to the event. That's the case here.

18 revenge of chalmers  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:08:17am

#16
:)

19 Solomon X  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:09:15am

Did somebody say Ooompa Loompa?

20 kathyn  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:10:26am

#9 Ed Moran. I agree with you. I think that every terrorist that can be marshalled will be attacking in Iraq, our US embassies or other US installations, and most of all, here in the US, if they can. I'm positive that such things are in the works because they want Kerry to win.

As for the "insurgents" who bombed those kids in Iraq...what do you want to bet they were recruited from the Palestinians or other terror camps?

21 LanceKates  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:11:06am

Forget the stock market...

Does the Globe report the Lotto numbers???

22 cathyf  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:11:33am

There was a young lady named Bright
Who could travel much faster than light
She went out one day
In a relative way
And returned the previous night.

(Sorry, I'm married to a physicist. We thought it was cute, anyway!)

cathy :-)

23 applesweet  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:11:37am

WHoAAA!

Look what's happening over at [Link: scyllacharybdis.blogspot.com...]

He's got a template if anyone's interested in writing to the Texas Rangers online.

24 Mar  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:12:35am

OT but NDP splinter group complains that the NDP is becoming too friendly with Israel.

[Link: www.canada.com...]

25 FreakyBoy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:13:12am

Byline: Mr. Peabody and Sherman

26 hobgoblin  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:13:15am

where's the oompa loompa photoshop of kerry, terRAYzah and lockhard(?) as the oompas who are spread out one in front of the other?

HELP!

27 BingoBunny  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:13:47am

the LLL can't be allowed any time to go without SPIN SPIN SPIN..they might regain their memories.

28 RebTex  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:16:21am

Is the Boston Globe part of the CBS family?

29 Bill Jefferson  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:17:05am

Life imitates the Daily Show.

Can anyone find a transcript? It should rebroadcast at 7 ET tonight, the key exchange was something like this:

Reporter reads his article summarizing the debate - the debate that is yet to occur.
John Stewart: So you mean you write your stories ahead of time?
Reporter: We all do, John. We decide on the narrative and then shape the facts to fit it.
JS: What if actual news happens?
Rep: That's what we have bloggers for, John.

30 Solomon X  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:17:38am

kathyn said

As for the "insurgents" who bombed those kids in Iraq...what do you want to bet they were recruited from the Palestinians or other terror camps?

I dunno, the baathists in Iraq are pretty depraved sickos. Remember the children's prison? Young daughters raped in front of parents to coerce confessions? The little skeletons in the mass graves? They and the palestinians are cut from the same cloth. Of course, many of these baathists were expat palestinians.

31 sefton  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:18:13am

I bet when editors from the Boston globe go camping they forget thier tents.

/ runs ducking for cover to a chorus of groans.

32 john5z  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:18:22am

#24 Mar:

Thanks for that, but isn't the NPD a shitty little party in a shitty little country aka Trudeaupia?

33 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:18:48am

10


I remember when Greg Abbott was running for AG in 2002. His opponent ( can't remember the Dhimmi's name) ran attack ads saying Abbott was a hypocrite regarding tort reform because he once sued a homeowner and his tree surgeon.


True enough. Because they dropped a tree on him while he was jogging, broke his back, and left him paralyzed from the waste down.


Demonrats can be such dumbasses.

34 gumble  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:18:58am

OT

Came across this great quote by Teddy Roosevelt.


It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.


Anyone have an audio clip this quote?

35 shrike  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:19:19am

Was the writer a guy by the name of Earl Camembert?

36 scoreboard44  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:19:30am

Mars Embassy said:
"So, where were you next Thursday night?"

That's a hoot!

37 scoreboard44  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:20:40am

That's some kinda cheese, ain't it. Camembert?

38 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:20:42am

The Boston Glob is owned by the New York Slimes.

39 BIG  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:20:47am

DEWEY WINS! DEWEY WINS!

New York Times declared, “Thomas E. Dewey’s Election as President is a Foregone Conclusion.” Top pollsters predicted a Dewey win, as did leading national political writers. In fact, with the exception of Truman, everyone else was certain Dewey would be elected. Months before the election, Life ran a cover of a picture of Dewey with a caption that read, “The Next President of the United States.” Headline after headline screamed Dewey as President.

[Link: www.kennesaw.edu...]

40 LanceKates  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:20:47am

Here it is...

New York Times owns Boston GlobeNew York Times Owns Boston Globe

41 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:21:34am
42 Troy Rochford  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:22:11am

12 Mary

Do the Red Sox finally win it all (she asked with hope in her voice)?

NO.

Come on, now, Mary! The boys at the AP may have mastered time travel, but some things are simply beyond the capabilities of mere mortals. ;-)

T

43 Ed Moran: Abu GOMEX aoa 28C  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:23:58am

35 Obscure SCTV references will not be tolerated.

44 Nancy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:24:37am

So, Kerry presented himself as a credible commander in chief.

Just proves how little they actually care what the truth is or what is said.

I wouldn't be surprised if the blogs have not already started their blitz at how wonderful Kerry was and how Bush didn't answer the questions.

45 ted  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:26:09am

Where is Micheal J. Fox when we need him ?

46 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:26:36am
47 Sword Saint  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:27:19am

Let's do the Time Warp again ... it's just a jump to the left ...

48 RWW  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:28:00am

This just in:

At the request of the commision overseeing tonight's presedential debates, television broadcasters have agreed to run a crawl at the bottom of the picture that reads: "Do not adjust your television set - that's the color John Kerry chose to be this evening".

. . . hmm, I wonder what color he'll choose.

49 jrdroll  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:28:05am
shall never be with those cold and timid souls


Yea that's mr. pumpkin face alright.

50 ted  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:28:59am

Headline: Boston Globe proves Einstein and Theory of Relativity wrong !!!

51 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:29:45am
52 scott in east bay  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:30:36am

The only really fun stuff that could happen in this debate would be if either 1. Kerry and Bush ignore the rules and spend half the debate actually talking to each other, or 2. one of them sneezes and blows snot all over the lectern. Now that would be fun.

53 Barbara Skolaut  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:30:44am

I've got 3 words for these clowns: pa-the-tic.

They don't even bother to hide it anymore. What a bunch of transparent, partisan, worthless losers.

Charles - better keep a screen shot of this - they're bound to change the web page once they know they've been caught.

54 mean Gene  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:31:55am

Where are Sherman and Mr. Peabody when we need them?

The Boston Globe uses the same "way back machine" as John Kerry:

SEN. JOHN KERRY: We should not have gone to war knowing the information we know today.(Only Kerry butchers English tenses).

Did everybody enjoy the Grapevine with Brit Hume trying to parse that line with straight faces?

55 add925  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:31:56am

OT an easy prediction...

The MSM is already writing their "Kerry won" talking points for tonight & tomorrow.

Look for any improvement in Kerry's personna to be hailed as a big victory, regardless of the specific debate points.

MSM/DNC talking points will begin with "I think Kerry succeeded in changing his...blah, blah."

MSM will choose weasel words like "warmer, friendlier, more focused, more humane" etc., as the "winning" adjectives.

What is fun about them is they are so predictable. They really have very little imagination since they are bound so tightly to a marxist ideol.

If this prediction gets to enough people before the debate, they will be outed.

56 greenmamba  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:32:13am

#48 RWW

that's the color John Kerry chose to be this evening.

Well I'm sure it's not easy for him you know, what with his wife being an African American and all. Maybe he wants to be a person of color too.

57 Mike7411  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:32:46am

I of course used the feed back page and asked if I could barrow their time machine.

I can hope can't I?


Mike7411

PS: I just have to visit 2420 and scream, Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape.

58 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:33:39am

#44: Nancy

Actaully, it only says that he "faced the challenge" of presenting himself as a credible CIC. The Globe manages to refrain from telling us that he actually succeeded.

59 blogaddict  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:34:17am

Yes, the Globe and the AP have apparently become laphamized. "Laphamized," like "fisked," is a new verb based on a name--in this case, the name of the Lewis Lapham, the lame editor of Harper's who time-traveled recently to attend the Republican Convention.

60 tgibbs  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:34:29am

#44 So, Kerry presented himself as a credible commander in chief.

Well of course, that is how Kerry is going to present himself. Presenting himself any other way would effectively constitute withdrawing from the election.

Can't really see any problem or evident bias, aside from using the past tense for an event that has not yet happened. Looks like a simple mistake, accidentally posting before the debate a draft, containing bland "safe bet" descriptions of the debate, that was intended to be fleshed out with a few more details and published afterwards. News media do this to save time. Newspapers often have obituaries on file for many living public figures.

61 Geepers  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:34:45am

Here's my comment left under the: "There’s a bad link or typo on Boston.com."


I just finished reading about tonights Presidential debates. Although it was interesting, I believe you're supposed to wait until AFTER the debates to publish critiques them.

Hope this helps.

Ya think they'll get it ?

62 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:34:57am
63 shrike  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:36:20am

#43

I knew someone would get that!

64 tom  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:36:52am

guys! c'mon! YOU'RE NOT THINKING FOURTH DIMENSIONALLY!

/marty mcfly

65 beyerku  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:37:37am

Isn't it amazing how long the AP article was, but how it failed to say anything that we didn't already know. Actually, alot of AP articles seem to fit that description...

66 johnCV  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:37:40am

The fact that they didn't say that JfnK won the debate, speaks volumes as to thier confidence.

I wonder if what has been exposed about MSM over the last year has always been going on, or has it just gotten worse recently?

67 ted  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:38:15am

Could someone get a copy of todays Boston Globe and email me tomorrows Megamillions numbers ?

68 jrdroll  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:38:20am

#59 blogaddict

Yes, the Globe and the AP have apparently become laphamized.


Did you notice any dowdification in the article?

69 IrishBrewer  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:41:58am

This guy must have needed to get out of town for a long weekend so he just generated his story in advance of the debates. Just goes to show that these reporters no longer need any relavent facts to come up with a story.

He could be an integral part of the Jason Blair/Dan Rather news team on a newly formed network run by Michael Moore.

70 Wild Justice  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:43:39am

Whenever I feel a bout of premature publication coming on, I close my eyes and think of Billary.

71 gabe  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:44:21am

Good Grief! They claim to have seen the Great Pumpkin but they haven't even been to the patch.

For #34 gumble

Great quote. I think CBS may have an authentic original live DVD of Teddy's whole speech. :-)

72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:44:55am

So, I see Lapham loaned the Doctor's TARDIS over to the good folks at the Boston Globe. Wonder if the Timelords know about this?

73 Editor2  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:45:50am

What I really want to know is: who wins the World Series, and when (or if) the NHL season will start. While we're at it, when will my Pirates make the playoffs again? And I want to know yesterday!

74 JohnSteele  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:46:36am

Is this any relation to the guy who wrote the article panning the Republican Convention the month BEFORE the event he claimed to have attended.

The only thing that tripped that up was the idiots at the magazine (Harpers? Vanity Fair?) didn't wait until after the convention to print the story.

75 William  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:48:37am

...there is nothing in the article which will be contradicted by what happens this evening...

Really, how about this:

"The Democratic candidate faced the challenge of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief"

The AP knows he "faced the challenge" before the event occurs???
 

76 JohnSteele  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:49:22am

22 cathyf

I haven't heard than one since I was a kid. My dad the Army officer used to use it occasionally. Brought back pleasant memories.

77 AmericanGirl  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:51:37am

The MSM has finally gone completely 'round the bend.

#70 Wild Justice

LOL! great line!

78 Tim McNabb  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:53:14am

If I were a reporter, I'd probably write the stuff I already know down in anticipation of writing the stuff I didn't know in later. Why wait until it's time to file to do that?

However, I would like to think I'd have the good sense God gave a duck not to post it online to get nitpicked and mocked by bloggers.

Dopes.

Tim McNabb
fivehundredwords.com

79 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:55:46am

We know he'll face the challenge, we just have no idea what sort of success he'll have in facing it.

Or to be truthful, most of us are pretty sure that he'll fail dismally, but since we don't have the Globe's time machine, we won't actually write that in the past tense until after the fact!

80 BIG  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 10:59:06am
By Terence Hunt, Associated Press

Is this the new name Jason Blair is writing under?

81 Jheka  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:01:01am

Does anyone remember this story of a Harper's reporter slamming the Republican Convention speeches ... days before the convention? Seems to be a trend.

82 Fondu  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:05:33am

#23 applesweet 9/30/2004 12:11PM PST

It is a crime in Texas to bribe an official or exert undue influence over a public official as he/she discharges his/her duties, so don't go crazy stalking the Texas Rangers.

This could not be emphasized enough. Despite the cheesy TV show, don't mess around with the Texas Rangers. They are basically the state level equivalent of the FBI and Secret Service in Texas.

83 Bill Jefferson  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:06:31am

#78 Tim McNabb

You make perfect sense, but of course uploading an incomplete story early makes no sense, and only exposes the writer to our ankle-biting.

I also understand that newspapers prepare obituaries ahead of time, and sometimes they are mistakenly run. In this case what was published early was not an obit, but an attempt to make a zombie seem alive.

Are you related to the Donovan McNabb? He's a Scottish footballer.

84 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:07:11am

There MSM will laud Kerry's performance just as they did after the DNC, no matter how bad he does. We all know that will feature a gazillion quotes from Bush-haters about how Kerry scored "a home run" etc. (and as many other overused sports metaphors as they can come up with), in a desperate attempt to give him that elusive "15 point boost" they thought they could give him. It will go for naught.

The really scary thing is how deranged the LLLs are even today and what depths they are sinking to defeat this president, with more insanity sure to come. Perhaps the new prescription drug program should be amended to provide free generic valium; about 45% of the country is going to need it to keep their heads from exploding on 11/3.

85 Beagle  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:07:11am

#80 BIG

Terence Hunt writes some of the most slanted pieces in journalism. I believe he is the AP White House propagandist. I remember his piece running hard with the CBS 'memos'. He's a chronic BDS sufferer.

86 Lapsed Leftist  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:07:29am

#73 Editor2: Hope you have better luck than I did with that. In response to my question about when the Cubs would next win the World Series (being a Chicagoan), the ombudsman of the Globe replied that their time machine was not Y10K compliant so they could not provide me with an answer, but promised to get me that date as soon as they upgraded to the five-digit-year model.

87 Wild Justice  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:11:03am

Thanks, AmericanGirl. I have a sloppy post-coital grin on my face!

88 Fondu  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:12:57am

#82 Fondu 9/30/2004 01:05PM PST

I mean with sending emails etc (getting crazy) to the Texas Rangers.

89 The Other Elizabeth  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:20:29am

#79: LibraryGryffon: Yes, Kerry will face the challenge.

"When in trouble, when in doubt,
run in circles, scream and shout."

After all, he sat for 40 minutes when the Towers came down, didn't he? Heaven help us, and he wants to lead this country. He couldn't lead a Girl Scout troop because they'd kick his a## and throw him out the door.

And as for the time machine the Globe has, I want Virginia's lotto numbers. And the stock quotes for the next two years.

Nothing much.

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

90 Mary  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:31:32am

#42 Troy

LOL!

91 Mike7411  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:35:27am

And the answer I get back from them is...they had a copy... released to them before hand...

And the winner is, stupid and lame answer.

"Hi there Mike,

Thanks for writing to Boston.com. When a public speech is going to take
place, it is required that the speakers release their speeches beforehand
to media outlets. We are sorry for the confusion. The article has since
been removed from the site. Please feel free to write back at any time.

Thank you,

Customer Support
Boston.com"


Mike7411

92 kw26  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:38:38am

#91 that is the same reply I received. Lame is right!

93 Mike7411  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:41:00am

And ya know... I would have been more likely to believe a Time Machine answer.


Mike7411

94 Gary of Carlsbad  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:53:39am

My son is a high-level youth baseball player, having even played in the junior olympics, and I can tell you that some umpires I've seen seem to know what team is going to win even before the game is over.

Just like the MSM.

95 Geepers  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 11:59:11am
When a public speech is going to take place, it is required that the speakers release their speeches beforehand to media outlets.

Which might very well be true for a "public speech", but seeings how these are debates I'm not exactly sure what the hell that has to do with anything.

Ya know I was going to add, "do you think we're stupid?" to the bottom of my original letter but I didn't. It appears that I got the answer anyway.

96 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:01:35pm

Hilarious... life imitating "Da Ali G. Show".

Ali G [interviewing Andy Rooney]: "Has journalists ever put out tomorrow's news by mistake?"

97 paplagr  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:04:51pm

New Flash!!

Kerry has demanded a 60 second break approximately 45 minutes into the 90 minute debate.

Reason:

He wants to promote his new Quick Tanning lotion.

"Orange as you Wanna Be"

98 glwing  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:17:33pm

#97 and so many other #s


LMAO

*sniff* I haven't gotten an answer yet to my email.

The Globe must be overwhelmed.

99 mars-embassy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:18:14pm

Premature prevarication. Lots of folks suffer from it. But there is a cure.

100 Jocund Mavis  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:26:40pm

The Globe has removed this article from their website, within the past few minutes, so it looks like the e-mails did get noticed, folks.

However, the original AP report can be viewed by clicking on the LGF top stories link. Note that the AP report is in the future tense.

101 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:43:15pm

Do you think they'll be dumb enough to put it back up after the debate?

102 Captain Nemo  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 12:47:47pm

No virgins for the Glob!

103 TRex  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:08:37pm

I just found an article on Drudge that has the same two paragraphs. The writer is Terence Hunt, AP.

The site says this was released 56 minutes ago.

104 freedomsound  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:13:23pm

It has been updated now on Yahoo News as well. Looks like they changed the first two paragraphs to reflect future tense, but then left the rest pretty much alone.

You can still find the original version at SF Chronicle.

105 Cavy  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:16:00pm

FOX News just reported that Kerry got a manicure this morning for the debate
...how much do you want to bet it cost $55.00 ... and held up a bunch of folks for an inordinate amount of time??

Real "Man of the people" that Kerry ... botox ... manicures ... orange Kool-Aid (or was that something else ... agent orange(he did serve in Vietnam) for that "tanned" manly look?)

106 TRex  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:20:06pm

Did you notice that the last line of the second paragraph still is past tense. . . "faced"

"The Democratic candidate faced the challenge of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief after a torrent of Republican criticism that he was prone to changing his positions. "

107 cathyf  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:30:38pm

#86 Lapsed Leftist  

In response to my question about when the Cubs would next win the World Series (being a Chicagoan), the ombudsman of the Globe replied that their time machine was not Y10K compliant so they could not provide me with an answer, but promised to get me that date as soon as they upgraded to the five-digit-year model.

Wow, did a BG employee really say that? My opinion of them goes WAY up if they came up with that witty a reposte!

cathy :-)

108 daughter of patriots  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:34:59pm

FOX News just reported that Kerry got a manicure this morning for the debate
...how much do you want to bet it cost $55.00 ... and held up a bunch of folks for an inordinate amount of time??
-#105 Cavy

I live in Boston, near Beacon Hill. Today's Kerry incident reminds me of 2 SUV's stopping on Charles Street, as Kerry's daughter popped out of one, to get her manicure - about the time of the DNC.

Let's face it, Kerry is a metrosexual. Needs his manicures along with his botox. Now its Coppertone, too? So 70's. John is "stuck" in time. Vietnam confusion, becomes Terror war confusion.

What would Arnold say, "girlieman"? I think he would.

109 moflicky  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 1:36:57pm

someone must have allerted the globe of thier seeming prescience.

The link is now dead, and remain that way, presumably until after tonites debate, at which time it will reappear with no changes.

Because they're NEVER wrong, even when they make stuff up.

110 blogaddict  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:03:28pm

Oh, so they've fixed the tenses now? Another example of rampant laphamization. Defending the Harper's article in which Lapham (the editor himself!) reported on the Republican Convention long before it occurred, Lapham said his error was the result of a "tense problem."

How remarkably lame. But of course, how can we expect the EDITOR of HARPER'S to understand the difference between past tense and future tense? It is a very difficult distinction to make, sort of like the one between lies and truth for the moral relativist. I suppose we could call Lapham, the AP, and the Boston Globe "time relativists." Although that would be an insult to Einstein--

111 ibu guru  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:25:47pm

I hope somebody saved the original Boston globe screen because the link now shows an error message, "page not found."

112 Bill Peschel  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:26:04pm

Y'all are getting your panties in a twist over nothing. You're reading the PM cycle from the Associated Press, meant for publication in the few evening newspapers still publishing. Note that the writer is not saying anything that happened at the debates. For example:

"Bush was expected to confront questions about leading the nation into war on the still-unproven premise that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."

That's not a surprise; the topic of the debate was settled long ago.

"With a record of four years in office to defend, Bush had a debate strategy of being optimistic about Iraq but acknowledging that times were tough."

Again, no big surprise there. The writer probably got it from the Bush campaign itself (although he should have given an attribution here).

There's a lot of legit grievences within MSM to get upset about, but this isn't it.

113 zulubaby  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:29:13pm
FOX News just reported that Kerry got a manicure this morning for the debate

I hope he got his fake tan touched up too.

114 Bayonet  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:30:35pm

Speaking of the Future -
Debate Predictions:

Things to look for in tonight’s debate:

KERRY – Pointing and shaking his finger at GW.

Pulling his long “cherished” “CIA” hat out of his ass.

Reaching in his coat pocket to display one of his a Purple Hearts.

Betting his Silver Star that GW can’t name the Prime Minister of the Kyrgyz Republic (Tanaev Nikolay Timofeevich).

Mentioning his Vietnam experience at least twice. (He just can’t help himself).

BUSH - Telling the truth.

Mispronouncing "Nu -Kler"

Displaying grace under pressure = Courage.


51 % Will say Bush won
49% will call it a TIE, according to DEMOCRATIC POLLSTERS

Pajamarines

115 Captain Dubious  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:32:25pm

It would appear that the Independent has jumped the gun as well . . .

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story .jsp?story=567633

116 Bayonet  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:33:22pm

Oh Yeah ...
ALSO

KERRY will ask Bush to show everyone the badge he said he would carry with him from the WTC fatality.

BUSH pulls it out.

117 adie  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:36:45pm

How about this quasi Back to the Future story linked through Google News?

Scroll down to the US section - Google News

Candidates offer voters no choice on Iraq policy - Independent.co.uk - By Rupert Cornwell in Washington 01 October 2004

Last night's presidential debate pitted George Bush against John Kerry on the issues of national security, terrorism and Iraq - issues that, almost certainly, will decide the election.

Hope there's no real "news" at this debate, or the time jumpers all hosed.

118 ibu guru  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:45:03pm

#91 Mike 7411--

Globe is offering CompleteBS.
1 -- There is no "requirement" that any speeches be released in advance, altho they often are.
2 -- Any speech released in advanced clearly states "Embargoed until [date][time]." Pre-publication gets you gets cut off the press release list. It is a serious breach of ethics.
3 -- Tonight is not "speeches" -- it is answers to questions in a quasi-debate format. No speech an be prepared, exept perhaps an opening statement if each participant is allowed to present a prepared statement under debate rules.

Globe tossed out a canned statement to cover their butts, but this time it cannot fly. That statement is as bogus as the pre-written story.

119 Geepers  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:47:43pm

Came across this Googling.

It now seems that TocqueDeville over at DailyKos is "demanding" action to stop perpetuating a mis-perception. What's got him all up in arms?

Right now, and for the last decade plus, the perception is that Republicans are doing better than they are. How? By those deceptive electoral maps we have to look at every time we turn on our tv.

We absolutely must demand that TV News et al. stop using graphics that place geographical space over population. Unless we want to start allocating extra votes to folks who live on large empty spaces, this is obviously misleading in the most blatent [sic] sense.

To the average viewer who has no idea how many people live in all those red states, these deceptive maps make it look like 80% of the population is red.

This must absolutely stop.

And I guess it's no surprise to me that that TocqueDeville is a Kerry supporter after reading this brilliant line:

Of course this is a worst case scenario. Things could go better. They could even go worse.
120 blogaddict  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 2:52:45pm

Bill Peschel #112:

Yes, there are a lot more important things to think about, and yes, there isn't anything in the AP/Globe article that attempted to report actual news.

But I think you're missing the point: it's a stupid thing to publish before the debates actually occur. There's something so contempuous and, well, arrogant (as Bernard Goldberg titled his book) about writing a story about something that hasn't happened yet, and using the past tense. Why not just write it in future tense, as in "this is what we expect will happen tonight?" Or why not wait until the event has actually happened, and write your story then, or at least wait to publish this already-written story till then? After all, you might actually want to add some descriptive facts to it, based on the actual event--

Since I truly do believe that most writers and editors know the difference between past and present tense, and between things that have happened and haven't yet happened (unlike what I jokingly wrote in post #110), I cannot imagine why they do this sort of slovenly work. Is it sheer laziness? Or is it just a mindset that is so set--as in "set in stone" that all conclusions have already been concluded and no thinking is involved. If so, it is part of a mindset that I simply do not want in the media.

This particular article may just represent laziness, sloppiness, or foregone conclusions, but the recent CBS scandal goes far far beyond that into some very dark and far more frightening territory.

121 freedomsound  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 3:12:20pm
The Democratic candidate faced the challenge of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief after a torrent of Republican criticism that he was prone to changing his positions.

Kerry "facing the challenge" and presenting himself as a "credible commander in chief" is by no means a foregone conclusion.

122 Madshark  Thu, Sep 30, 2004 4:35:30pm

Doesn't this remind you of the television show "Early Edition", where the lead character would find tomorrow's version of the Chicago newspaper in front of his apartment door and a cat would be walking away. In this case, the paper is the Boston Globe, and the animal walking away is a resuscitated hamster.


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