Home schooling, now more than ever.

BTW, if Ed Koch runs for the Democratic nomination in 2008 and wins, I may have ti support him

Jews have priorities and are entitled to them just like every other ethnic group in America. Mexican-Americans are especially interested in the position of the presidential candidates on amnesty for illegal aliens. African-Americans are understandably interested in the safety of Africans in the Sudan who are subject to genocide at the hands of the Arab-dominated Sudanese government. Christians surely will be very concerned about the murders and injuries of Christians attending Mass in Iraq at five churches by Islamic terrorists. I could list many more. All Americans should be concerned about these outrages. Having such priorities does not make you less American, but more American.

For Jews, it is the security of the State of Israel. When 200 French Jews recently left France out of fear of persecution by Muslim toughs in that country, they knew that Israel would take them without condition, which was not the case when Jews were fleeing Germany before World War II.

However, you are misinformed on my position as to why I support President Bush for reelection. I support him because of the Bush Doctrine, "we will go after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them." He has demonstrated that he means it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, both threats to their regions and to the U.S. I do not believe that the Democratic Party, which is now dominated by those who preferred Governor Dean for president, but decided he could not win, has the stomach to take on worldwide terrorism. Indeed, a New York Times-CBS poll of the delegates at the Boston Convention demonstrated their opposition to John Kerry's position which is not to get out of Iraq now. It is the party activists who the candidate has to rely on to get elected and whose positions generally prevail.

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I am grateful that our 4 kids are adults, and very worried for our little granddaughters...

Uh, when last I checked, there was a seperation of Church and State..although since islam is a cult, I guess they are exempt.

Pathetic!

Another reason I could never be Muslim, besides chooping clitorises so woman won't enjoy sex, no beer, and chopping infidel heads:

Only the two Eids all year.

Face it, Islam sucks.

The course should include bomb making,throat slitting,
car bomb assembling and ideological and emotional conditioning to prepare the people for the great whore house in the sky.

OT
El cubo philosopher dies in paris

Remember the LGF thread about a law class at UPenn in the US making the legal code for the Maldives? Well, it's back in the headlines:
UPenn prof goes ahead with Sharia law project.

The article actually goes on to quote Daniel Pipes, so it's pretty even-handed.

And don't forget to visit the new zombie page
here to see Joan Blades of MoveOn chatting it up with the co-founder of International Answer. And here's an Allah-style Dean-o photo essay taken yesterday by me too.

Take Christ out of the classroom, put Allah in the classroom. I thought we were going the communist route to athiesm, but I guess we're going the Islam route to Americastan.

I guess there is no such thing as separation of mosque and state.

Oh well. Vouchers, please!

Don't rule out private schools.

No matter how much a financial sacrifice we're doing, we're sending our kids to Hillel.

That's the only guarantee that they'll truly be educated.

JG

Did I mention I'm drinking tonight?

I homeschool my 4 kids because of garbage like this.

This from the people who insist on Christmas being referred to as "winter" to keep religion out of schools. Real logical.

The public schools might as well go ahead and hand out burkhas now before there is a run on them :OP

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a looter
a mentally disturbed

Muhammad

...welcome to the intersection of political correctness and evil...where ignorance is substituted for responsibility...

Ramadan, which likely will begin Oct. 15, depending on the sighting of the new moon, is making more appearances in public school classrooms, thanks to a series of new teacher training initiatives, an increased fascination with Islam and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

They have already crossed the constitutional line.

Idea for a LGF poll; will the blood offerings to Allah increase in the holy month of Bombadhan or not.

No religion in public schools. Wonder if permission slips were sent home in order for the children to participate in religious studies? Absolutly no way my children will learn about islam from some greasy smiling imam who will serve up the 'sanatized' version of the religion of death and terror. My children will learn the TRUTH about islam from me and from others educated about the true horror mohammed and the koran.

They can visit MY child's school AFTER I spend a month coming in and educating the classes about Christmas, Easter, Communion, Baptism, and the promise of God that Israel is HIS GIFT TO THE JEWS! Then another month for a Rabbi to come and teach them about Judaism! Then we will let the Muslims carry their little rugs in, sit down, watch the footage of 9-11, homicide bombings in Israel, Saddam's mass graves, terrorist beheadings, and the attack on a school in Russia; and let them tell our children about their Holy Days.

OHHH! This burns my toast!

#2 Ed Moran

As a senior citizen, I would have a hard time voting for him, even though I have grown to admire him:Ed Koch

He will be 80 on 12/12/04, bless him.

I think that is past the sell by date for a Presidential candidate! :)

ACLU where are you??

/Crickets chirp until they evolve to a new species

This is what will become of your children after a few more years of this. And they'll go on to convert others. And they'll tell two friends, and they'll tell two friends...

the world’s second-largest religion.

Well, at least they didn't call it "fastest-growing relgion." Thank Satan for small favors.

Quarantine Islam now.

Can we assume the girls will be required to wear hajib or burkhas and sit in a separate room in the basement, and not speak?

And the boys will be allowed to beat the girls?

If they're trying to give them a true taste of Islam...

#12 sli
Well, you know how overboard these idiots will go to prove they are tolerant even while their actions and voting records show they are incredibly INtolerant. Scary how they turn reality on its head.

Hey - I remember a Catherine O'Hare character from SCTV calling it "Ramadama-ding-dong". That's still how I think of it.

Will the suicide bombings and the beheadings cease for Ramadan, or just American and Israeli troops' defending themselves?

Incidentally, I wonder how much pork I can eat in a month? I'll be sure to donate the leftovers to my local mosque.

Take the word "Islam" and "muslim" out and replace them with the word "Christian".

Leftists and the ACLU would be screaming.

#20 Barbara Skolaut

I'm sure they'll neglect to mention that whole female circumcision thing too. Just an oversight, mind you.

This is indoctrinational sh*t. Nothing more.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a comparative religion class...in high school. God knows, I had it in high school and found it enjoyable.

But you know more have moslem kids demonstrating their religion to 8, 9, 10 y/os then you would have wicca kids in their teaching their religion.

This is not effing age OR classroom appropriate.

One of the few things my ex and I agreed on was politics. My son graduates HS next summer. Some of you know him as Right Wing Animator. Honestly, I have to give most of the credit to my ex. He's lived with her for the last 8 years. My son won't play this BS.

#17 Westward Ho 
ACLU where are you??

They're standing on the roof of a car in Sproul Plaza posing like they're in a beauty pageant, while reading anti-American diatribes to the cheering crowd.

The issue isn't home schooling or private schools, the issue is that this is happening at all. Why is this being allowed!?

er...typo ...should be "you no more have"

heh...adult beverages tonight ;-)

Maybe they could put on one of those cute little holiday shows too, except theirs would have fun things like car bombings and beheadings in it, instead of the traditional pilgrims / Mary & Joseph shows we used to see!

example:

During the next few weeks, multicultural trainer Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from a CHRISTIAN academy in Herndon, Va., to nearby public schools to share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, EASTERMAS.

Syeed and the children will present the call to prayer, display CROSSES AND JESUS FISH and offer tastes of MANAH. In countless other classrooms across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the world’s largest religion.

EASTERMAS, which likely will begin Oct. 15, depending on the sighting of the new moon, is making more appearances in public school classrooms, thanks to a series of new teacher training initiatives, an increased fascination with CHRISTIANITY and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

yeah - that would work.

#21 monkeyweather

I have two teens in high school if I ever hear that my kids have to par-take in Ramadan, I will remove them from that school and teach them at home myself.

Islam is a sham. It's the Scientology of the dark ages. If I had kids in these schools I would be apoplectic. When will we wake up?! It's already too late for the Europeans. Can't we see that?

Okay

let me get this straight!

Teacher has to go to court to wear her cross necklace to work.
Teacher is told to pack her stuff and get out of her classroom because she won't take down a picture of the President of the United States off of her American History Bulletin Board.
But
Teacher can bring in a group of kids and their Muslim Kingpin to teach them about their Religious holiday, dragging "prayer rugs" and all???

What country is this again?

Where is MY AMERICA!!!???

That's why I'll always keep my kids out of public school.
Unkosher food, unkosher education.

This public school teacher will turn in his keys and walk out before he's a part of this nonsense.

#28 zulubaby,

The issue isn't home schooling or private schools, the issue is that this is happening at all. Why is this being allowed!?

Do public schools do the same for Yom Kippur? Or Sukkot? Or Rosh Hashanah? I don't know if they do, but I kinda doubt it.

28 zulubaby

The issue isn't home schooling or private schools, the issue is that this is happening at all. Why is this being allowed!?

It's none of a parent's business what the school teaches their children. Teachers are professionals. People who raise questions about what is being teached are merely rabble-rousers. The teachers union knows better. You just go on back to working so you can pay taxes.

/channeling school board

Anyway, you gotta look at this from the point of view of the typical NEA simp. Time this imam uses to teach kids is time the teacher can spend drinking coffee in the teachers' lounge! What could be better?

We are the sheiks of the Masjids of Jihad.
Join our Cult of Death, inside these hallowed walls.
We are the sheiks of the Masjids of Jihad.
Everyone a shaheed, our noble future calls.

Shit.

I got all excite when I saw the heading--I thought (although she's not a little child, it's true) that you'd posted a picture of the 19-year-old Afghani casting the first vote.

If this were done in a college classroom, one could say that it was informational. But when it is done in an elementary school to impressionable youngsters, it seems that it might actually be religious indoctrination.

#40 cba

I love seeing that in my mind :-)

#38

Too true. I've refused to join the NEA for over 10 years now.

They'll NEVER get another dime from me.

Syeed and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the world’s second-largest religion.

With so much on the agenda, I'm not sure they'll have time to cover important topics like "Cop Killing 101: Seeking to install a Taliban-style regime in northeastern Nigeria."

Pity.

A little background on these jihadis:

The radical sect known as Al-Sunna wal Jamma, or "Followers of Mohammed's Teachings" in Arabic, comprises mainly university students who want to create a Taliban-style state in Africa's most populous nation — home to 126 million people.

(#37) zorkmidden

Do public schools do the same for Yom Kippur? Or Sukkot? Or Rosh Hashanah?

Or Festivus?

/Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

The end of the article says this:

Many teachers are turning to the Internet for training and lesson plans on Islam and important aspects of the religion, such as Ramadan. Key sites include:

• Council on Islamic Education, [Link: www.cie.org...]

In addition to teacher-training workshops, the CIE offers a “teacher's pack” of materials, seven publications including lesson plans and other resources.

• Dar al Islam Teachers Institute, [Link: www.daralislam.org...]

The free, two-week summer institute in Abiquiu, N.M., is taught in an Islamic school, where participants can observe Muslim life as they learn.

Email these people a piece of your mind concerning the legality of their actions. While you're at it, and perhaps more to the point, go to the Web site for the school district where this is happening and email their administrators too:

Current School Board members are:

Chairman, Kathy L. Smith, Sully District, kathy.l.smith@fcps.edu

Vice-Chairman, Kaye Kory, Mason District, kaye.kory@fcps.edu

Braddock District, Tessie Wilson, tessie.wilson@fcps.edu

Dranesville District, Jane K. Strauss, Jane.strauss@fcps.edu

Hunter Mill District, Stuart D. Gibson, stuart.gibson@fcps.edu

Lee District, Brad Center, brad.center@fcps.edu

Mason District, Kaye Kory, kaye.kory@fcps.edu

Mt. Vernon District, Daniel G. Storck, daniel.storck@fcps.edu

Providence District, Phillip A. Niedzielski-Eichner, pneichner@fcps.edu

Springfield District, Catherine A. Belter, catherine.belter@fcps.edu

Sully District, Kathy L. Smith, kathy.l.smith@fcps.edu

#44 SoCalJustice

Or Festivus?

Actually they should. My birthday falls on that day, so it's a double holiday for me.

#43 guzziguy

The NEA union goons haven't run you off yet? I bet you're a popular guy in the lounge. :)

In all seriousness, kudos for standing up to the NEA.

Only 1 week after 9-11, my son's charter school started teaching the kids the "3 Pillars of Islam."

More LIBERAL SCHMACKLE coming soon to a school near you!

COMPLAIN TO THE SCHOOL'S PRINCIPAL and let us know what they say!

first thing i thought of when i read this was the school diagrams found on that computer in iraq...come in as part of a "multicultural" exchange, next thing you know it's breslan in the USA

Wonder if there will be an outrage on teaching RELIGION in a public school. If christianity or judaism cannot be taught, neither can islam.
If I had children in this school district, I'd be the screechingnest wheel they've ever heard!
They need to tell these muslims no deal.

Muslims get priveleged treatment everywhere because of their agressiveness, their implicit threat to commit terrorism etc. In India they get a privelege which is not offered to muslims any where in the world or even offered to Indians of other faiths - the govt. subsidizes their trip to worship the meteroite.

The day is not far away when the ACLU will start campaigning for anti blasphemy laws.

Ban the koran!

OT: As with so many terrorist attacks (suicide bombings in Iraq come to mind) it looks like once again the terorists may have killed more of their fellow Arabs than they realized:

Oct. 9, 2004 23:54
Taba Hilton was oasis for Israeli Arabs
[Link: www.jpost.com...] 7311428767&p=1006688055060

Although the terrorists are believed to have targeted Israeli Jews when they attacked the Taba Hilton hotel, what they may not have realized is that the luxury hotel is the most popular vacation spot, within driving distance, for Israeli Arabs.

"My customers love the hotel because you don't feel Jewish or Arab there," explained Tawfik Mansoor, the owner of Amid Tours in the town of Tira, located in central Israel.

The hotel offered Israeli Arabs features that luxury hotels in Israel don't necessarily offer. All signs and menus were in Arabic and Israeli Arabs could speak in their mother-tongue with employees and among themselves. Even the food – much of it Middle Eastern fare – was more familiar than the continental dishes served at most hotels in Israel.

In light of the hotel's popularity, Mansoor is not surprised that Israeli Arabs already make-up one third of the people killed whose names have been announced. He says he expects more.

"I have a lot of reservations for the Hilton [Taba]," said Mansoor. "In July-August, the high season for Israeli Arabs, I sent 500 people there."

Ninety percent of Mansoor's customers are Israeli Arabs from Jaffa, Ramle-Lod, and the "Triangle", the area in central Israel with many Arab villages and towns.
Most of those customers buy vacation packages in Taba or Sharm e-Sheikh, he said.

The other reason for the popularity of the Sinai hotels among Israeli Arabs is the price. According to Sikkuy, a Jewish-Arab association for the advancement of civic equality in Israel, there are three times more poor Arab families than Jewish families in Israel.

"You can't compare," said Mansoor, "You get a luxury hotel with a beautiful view, wonderful atmosphere, and great weather and it costs a quarter of the hotels in Eilat. And at the Taba Hilton there is a casino."

The two Israeli Arab victims of the attack whose names have been announced were buried over the weekend. Hafez Hafi, 39, was a taxi driver from Lod. His funeral was attended by hundreds of Arabs and Jews.
Khalil Zeitouna, 10, from Jaffa, was killed while staying at the hotel with his family.

The next tourist season for Israeli Arabs is during the four-day holiday of Id al-Fitr, at the end of Ramadan in mid-November. Mansoor expects that Israeli Arabs will cancel their planned trips to Sinai.

"There will be a decrease in [Israeli Arab] tourism to Egypt," he said. "Eilat will become more popular."

#51 Westward Ho

The day is not far away when the ACLU will start campaigning for anti blasphemy laws.

Nah, all they need to do is get some good precedent with the hate crime statutes that are already on the books. I'm sure the Ninth Circus Court of Shlemiels (apologies to Dr. Savage) will be more than happy to jail someone for being so insensitive as to go out in public without a burkha and/or a close male relative. Can you imagine how offended some Muslim five blocks away would be?

Meanwhile even a moment of silence is considered a big deal and they are trying to take the words "under God " from the pedge of allegence. Something weird is going on here.

The publik skools are indoctrinators. The next thing you know, they'll have my kids walking aroun collecting money for the UN.

Oh, crap. They already do.

#37 Zorkala

Here, and in NYC and LI, and some of the other suburban Counties the school districts do mostly close for Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur, and when Good Friday, Easter and Passover occur about the same time, they try to arrange the Spring vacation then.

I believe that NJ, at least the parts that are near NYC, also do this.

However, there is no school accomodation made, nor classes about the holidays.

NYC, for the past few years, in order to reward the perps of 9/11, has cleared out rooms for the use of the cultists of islam to pray x times a day during ramadamn. I also believe that prayer rugs are provided.

Any local articles on the subject I will try to post. I am livid. For the other Jewish holidays, like Sukkot, etc., that we just celebrated, and for Passover, when it does not occur at Eastertime, etc., Jewish children can stay out of school with a note.

excuse the repost but this is actually on topic:

Oh, mein gott I'm about to plotz. I saw a teachers assgnment to write about a muslim who is a postive person,

"not Oshama or Saddam, but someone positive,
like Muhammad Ali or Cat Stevens."

1) Ali learned from the nation of Islam at first ( and they are not true islam in the opinion of many)

2) Should she not refer to him as Yusof Islam?

3) Cat Steven's was refused entry to the US when?

I'm not EVEN going to tell the story of why I homeschool my kids again.

I'm a middle school teacher by profession, and the teacher I had a run in with in the East Bay area still refused to recognize any validity to my claims.

I think scott in the east bay is a teacher, too.

Anyway, the knowledge a lot of the public school teachers (not all, but a lot) I've run into is roughly the type of knowledge most people in Fahrenheit 451 have. When I pulled daughter number one, she had supposedly had a year of American History. I figured I could start her AFTER the revolution and quizzed her on the facts. The kid could not name even the general in charge of the Americans.

When I asked her what she had learned, she told me - how they dressed, what kind of food they ate, how to churn butter, how to make candles, how to ...

You get the picture.

Now, my 6 year old can name (in song form) the countries of Europe, the Middle East, and the Russian Federation. My 12 year old had to play big time catch up.

So what? Is this article meant to spotlight them as actual human beings celebrationg their "religious holiday"? Hasn't their so-called religion proven, over and over again, that it revels in the scent of freshly beheaded innocent human beings blood ?

#40 cba
Shit.
I got all excite when I saw the heading--I thought (although she's not a little child, it's true) that you'd posted a picture of the 19-year-old Afghani casting the first vote.

cba:

Here she is in all her 19-year-old glory!

Moqadasa Sidiqi, a 19-year-old Afghan refugee in Pakistan, casts her vote in Islamabad October 9, 2004. Sidiqi became the first voter in Afghanistan's landmark presidential election because polling in Pakistan opened half an hour ahead of Afghanistan.

piglet:

Ali learned from the nation of Islam at first ( and they are not true islam in the opinion of many)

But no less vile for that.

#52 MootPoint

Yeah we're not supposed to do that kind of stuff but I think best idea of the night.

Ban the koran!

#7 Conagher
Vouchers, please!

Exactly!
I like the homeschooling idea also. However I doubt there are enough parents out there that are willing to put in the time and effort to homeschool.

# 61 z

An Afghan woman casting a multiparty vote reported in a Chinese (**single party run**) newspaper -- ain't this globe grand?
:-~

Ban the koran!

It's just a (hateful, ludicrous and incoherent) book.

Ban the [bigoted word]s.

Today's campaign playoff score:

Kerry was just on C-span2 with the days stump speach. More George is so bad, liar misleading...the only ones Scowling and looking bored and irritated at this event...Was Kerry's audience, hmmm.
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Then "W" Just finished his stump speach, accomplishment, empowering the individual, vision of the future, getting the terrorists in their havens, Free elections in Afgahnistan, and coming in Iraq, personal story of sitting with Koizumi of Japan, who's country his father and others like him fought against, but Truman and those with vision delivered a democratic Japan out of a fascist country and thier children and children's children enjoy future leaders discussing peace not threatening war. Delivered with convinctionand fervor, his crowd went wild, his wife looked dignified, He didn't dance but shook the hands of the common people who laughed and cheered. His crowd was energized and so was "W".
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" The JFK I vs Nixon" Black & White Debate is on NOW

"I don't want the talent of any American to be Wasted.

Individuals to meet their responsibilities

States to meet their responsibilities

Avg. Social Security Check is $78 a month for Americans over 75,

I don't believe in Big Govt. but I believe in effective Govt. Action

We have to do a better job.

If the U.S. fails -- then the whole cause of freedom fails.

Can Freedom be maintained under the most severe attack it has ever experienced, I believe it can and we can look to the future with hope and optimism.

I think it's time America started moving again..."

Guess who and which party said this in the 1959 TV debate ? ? ?

Sheesh how things have changed.

#63 mudmarine

I don't know that I'd ban the Qur'an. It's something that should be kept around and learned from in a scholarly sense. In any event, even if we were able to ban it here in the United States, it would still be around in other countries to motivate killers.

Besides, isn't it a good idea to keep a copy or two around so that we may know our enemy?

#61-

Thank you! She is my new poster girl of Freedom. I'll share it with my female LLL friends and remind them the WOT is improving womens rights! Won't that piss them off!

The article says this crap has been sent to 4,000 teachers who have used it. There have to be a million or more schoolteachers in the US. Still, this needs to be stopped in its tracks if possible.

And here's that glamorous Moqadasa Sidiqi again! The gal's a star, I tell ya.

#65 Buckaroo, LOL! :-)

I was reading about the lives of Afghani women under the Taliban for quite some time before 9/11 and I couldn't even imagine the horrors they lived, we all remember this. But back then, I really didn't have much hope that I would ever see the smiling face of an Afghani girl casting a vote. So it really warms my heart. This is a great thing America did in Afghanistan, a truly great thing.

What??? They've managed to take God out of the Pledge and educate on Islam instead? I'm furious!

Oh joy!!! Of course, these lessons will be "objective", and they will be sure to include the mention of Koranic jihad verses. ...Won't they?...Welcome to the generation of homepun jihadis, sure to follow in the footsteps of the indoctrination taking place in the prison system.

I had always thought the NYC public schools closed for Jewish holidays because of the Jewish kids. Actually, that's not the reason.

Its because there are so many Jewish teachers, may of whom stay home on at least the major holidays.

It would a horrendous situation if schools were kept open (not enough substitute teachers available and many of them are Jews and also wouldn't come in, dumping classes in an auditorium with not enough supervision for the entire day, etc.) so they decided to close schools on major Jewish holidays.

But it is not to give special recognition to observant Jews. Rather, it is merely one of practicality.

Muslims want it both ways --they can claim unlike other religions --it isn't just a religion but a "cultural ideology" as well and jump onto the multi-cultural bandwagon.

Did this school district bring in students from a Jewish school for their holidays, from a parochial school?

I suspect not but maybe I don't give them enough credit.

I think the Muslims do capitalize on the fact that they can claim it is a "cultural ideology" and not just a religion.

It is however a "culture" that MANDATES one must adopt that religion which clearly means it is NOT a secular culture.

Do you think the public schools would take for instance a culture that was predominately Catholic and proceed to teach children the "culture" by focusing primarily on the religion?

Are they going to tell these children about the OTHER non "religious" aspects of that culture? Are they going to explain Sharia governance? Stoning, death and honor killing?

OT: Al-Associated Press Invalidates Afgan Elections...

Accusations of Fraud Mar Afghan Election

By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghans packed polling stations on Saturday for a historic presidential election that was blemished when all 15 candidates opposing U.S.-backed interim President Hamid Karzai withdrew, charging the government and the U.N. with fraud and incompetence.

In the end, faulty ink — not Taliban bombs and bullets — threatened three years of painstaking progress toward democracy. The opposition candidates claimed the ink used to mark people's thumbs rubbed off too easily, allowing for mass deception.

Electoral officials rejected opposition demands that voting be stopped at midday, saying it would rob millions of people of their first chance to directly decide their leader, and the joint U.N.-Afghan panel overseeing the election would rule later on the vote's legitimacy.

Even if the vote is ultimately validated, Karzai's ability to unite this nation, fight rampant warlordism and crush a lingering Taliban insurgency in this nation of an estimated 25 million people might be fatally compromised if his opponents refuse to accept the results and insist that his rule is illegitimate.

But on Saturday, Afghans who braved the threat of violence to cast ballots were just happy to vote.

"I am old, but this vote is not just for me. It is for my grandchildren," said Nuzko, 58, a widow who stood in line at a Kabul voting station. Like many Afghans, she uses only one name. "I want Afghanistan (news - web sites) to be secure and peaceful."

But the controversy nonetheless cast a pall over what had been a joyous day in Afghanistan. Millions of ethnically diverse Afghan voters crammed polling stations for an election aimed at bringing peace and prosperity to a country nearly ruined by more than two decades of war. Men and women voted at separate booths in keeping with this nation's conservative Islamic leanings.

Karzai — who is widely favored to win — said the fate of the balloting was with electoral panel, but he added that, in his view, "the election was free and fair ... it is very legitimate."

"Who is more important, these 15 candidates, or the millions of people who turned out today to vote?" Karzai said. "Both myself and all these 15 candidates should respect our people — because in the dust and snow and rain, they waited for hours and hours to vote."

Taliban rebels got into a skirmish with U.S. troops that left at least 25 insurgents dead, and managed to kill three Afghan policemen accompanying ballots back to a counting center after the vote. Eight more police and two civilians died when their vehicles ran over mines.

But the rebels did not muster anything approaching the massive attack they had threatened to derail the election.

The boycott was a blow to the international community, which spent almost $200 million staging the vote. At least 12 election workers, and dozens of Afghan security forces, died in the past few months as the nation geared up for the vote.

The chaos also threatened to become part of the debate in the U.S. presidential campaign. President Bush (news - web sites) has held Afghanistan up as an example of flourishing democracy and a precursor to elections his administration insists will move forward in January in Iraq (news - web sites), despite continuing violence there.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

This is infuriating. Has anyone ever heard of Catholics coming in to teach about Holy Communion, or the Baptists to teach about full immersion baptism, or the Jews to teach a class about the days of Hannukkah?

What about Quanza festival?

Muslim educators note tremendous progress in education about Ramadan and Islam in general in public schools, particularly since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — perpetrated by extremist Muslims — brought Islam into the national spotlight.

Mission accomplished for the terrorists. Absolutely sickening.

#58 Piglet

I'm plotzing with you. A spew alert to all...please take an anti-emetic before reading this, and also place a protective cover on the monitor and keyboard.Celebrating Ramadan in USA Islamic, Public Schools

Islamic celebrations in Public schools

According to recent statistics, Islamic schools only accommodate 10% of the Muslim children in America

According to recent statistics, Islamic schools only accommodate 10% of the Muslim children in America. This means that the vast majority of the community’s children attend secular public schools. Muslim families have lately become more aware of their religious identity and are calling for accommodation in the public sphere, including public educational institutions. The Muslim civil rights movements, particularly during the past two years, are facing increasing challenges.

In the city of Chicago, the Chicago school district issued a memo on the first day of Ramadan asking all principals, in over 450 schools around the city, to help their Muslim students perform their fasting. Though there is no change in daily schedules, the memo notes that the schools should find appropriate places such as libraries or faculty lounges where the students can stay while lunch is being served to the rest of their classmates.

In other cities where the Muslim and Arab communities constitute a much bigger bloc, an attempt to close the school for the first day of both `Eids is being considered. In the past Muslim students were allowed to be absent for their holy celebrations, especially those of `Eid Al-Fitr (`Eid at the end of Ramadan) and `Eid Al-Adha (`Eid of the sacrifice). However, such absences were counted in each Muslim student’s end of year report and so prevented the student from being credited with perfect attendance.

In areas such as Dearborn Michigan, where Arab Muslims constitute a big bloc of the student body, some schools re-organize their academic calendars to accommodate for the two holidays. This November, following a heated debate between Muslim parents and other non-Muslims, the school board of Dearborn Heights decided to give the students a day off on November 25th, which marks the beginning of `Eid Al-Fitr this year. The day is not considered a school holiday though, but rather a professional development day, which means that only the faculty are required to attend.

The Arab Muslim community, whose children constitute almost a third of the school district students, was able to push for the day off, based on school attendance, as the state law mandates that the school will lose some funding if attendance falls below 75% on any given day.

Despite the increase of discriminatory treatment against some community members, the Muslim student body in public schools has been showing an increasing awareness and pride in their religious heritage. Ramadan remains the best time of the year to display their culture and identity.

This is from last year, and there is a lot more to the article.

On a lighter note..Zomby, your photos are super! Thanks. Do you wear a disguise? :)

Is there any list which shows where this is supposed to happen? If it is happening in my sons school he will not make it that day and dad will probably get his name in the news paper again!!!

#79 a.k.a. Will 
This is infuriating. Has anyone ever heard of Catholics coming in to teach about Holy Communion, or the Baptists to teach about full immersion baptism, or the Jews to teach a class about the days of Hannukkah?
What about Quanza festival?

Uh, maybe you didn't grow up where I grew up, but: when I was in public school we had to do Kwanzaa every freakin' year.

Just a thought. In recent memory can the word "beheading" be associated with any other religion but islam?

I have a 16yo daughter who's been in private school in NYC since her 1st day of kindergarten... My decision was made when one of the public schools in my area had invited " an ex gangbanger to talk about life"" to the 3rd-6th graders...

Now we have the jihadists...
OVER MY F**KIN DEAD BODY"

>>Moqadasa Sidiqi

~ Moqadasa Sidiqi

This morning, first thing, I went looking for news of the elections. When I found the image of Moqadasa Sidiqi, I dragged my 11 year old in and sat her down and we talked about this. I explained the situation, and then explained that this is what America is really about. We talked about the things she might hear in school, and so on, and I was relieved, but not real surprised to hear that the US efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have not been talked up badly at her middle school.

Of course, a high percentage of students at her school are either in one of those countries, or have been, or are engaged in some way with the military.

To be honest, it is kind of nice to be a conservative-minded person living in a conservative area where people in uniform are seen nearly as often as not.

VERY different from when I lived in South Bend, IN, where there is no military and where the people probably think the GWOT is a new model of KIA...

But! Yesterday the efforts of almost 3 years bore fruit. It wasn't perfect, and it isn't over, but damned if it isn't !!!GREAT!!! to see that. Damn right. and thanks to God for all of it!

God Bless this country!

- SangerM

# 27 Zombie,

They're standing on the roof of a car in Sproul Plaza posing like they're in a beauty pageant, while reading anti-American diatribes to the cheering crowd.

Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

# 66 Q,

Ban the koran!

It's been tried before

#87 Oops! I wrote:

"Of course, a high percentage of students at her school are either in one of those countries, or have been, or are engaged in some way with the military. "

I meant the parents of a high percentage of students at her school...

Typing too fast after too long a day...

- SangerM

OT: Sorry if mentioned

Terror Thug Whacked

Senior Hamas commander in Gaza, Abed al-Raouf Hassin Muhammad Nabhin, 25, was killed by IDF soldiers east of the Jabalya refugee camp Saturday morning when he was spotted by soldiers attempting to fire an antitank rocket, according to security officials.

When I was in school one teacher said we would have a christmas tree in the classroom, but if we were jewish we could make paper meniorahs and hang them on the tree.
My memory is dim, but being the new york suburbs, I think that tree had a good amount of maccabie charm:-)

Of course I also rmember we were all for bobby kennedy after someone said george wallace would make us go to school on saturdays.

#81 NY Nana

On a lighter note..Zomby, your photos are super! Thanks. Do you wear a disguise? :)

Usually I wear one of those Groucho Marx "big nose and glasses" get-up, with a cigar. Actually, no, I don't need a disguise most of the time because my photographic subjects see me as "one of them." In other words, my "disguise" is just looking like what I am was: a Bay Area leftie! I fit right in and nobody notices me (except for my stunning good looks, of course).

an increased fascination with Islam and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

Hmmm...looks like I'll never have a shortage of dance partners. And to think, the corns on my feet were just begining to heal.

The Koran and Islam is a fit topic for study in the schools in the same way as the rise and fall of the Third Reich and Soviet Communism should be examined. It should be studied so that the consequenses of evil can be understood.

And we thought it would be the Communists.

There needs to be a law suit filed against this school district for not keeping the secular position of the schools pristine.
No exceptions for anyone or any 'religion'.
Play it by the books, the rules and the laws, Key word here, SECULAR.
They want separation of church and state? They got it.
And that goes for the muslems too.
Paying school taxes so we can have privileges for the moslems? Not! If they want exceptions take their kids out of the taxed paid public schools and put them in private schools.
These idiots are just going to reap more of the anger they are sowing.

Please someone tell me this is just a bad joke???

Please???

Now where the hell our those hypocritical bastards ACLU when you actually need them???

#97 applesweet

These idiots are just going to reap more of the anger they are sowing.

They don't care if you're pissed off just so long as you submit.

#61 zombie:
Sorry I didn't get back until now... Thanks SOOO much for that! I'm ferklempt! I've saved it on my computer.

They got it wrong In WWII they should have taught Nazi intolerance they we could understand them.
When will the west waste up and deal with this cancer!!!

OT
Brit Hostage tried to escape with aid of captor..

A U.S. official said Friday there was credible information that Bigley had tried to escape with the aid of one of his captors.

#84, Frank_mtl. In my lifetime there are two l countries associated with beheadings - France and Nazi Germany. Both of which are now on historys dustheap.

#96 leftover54 
And we thought it would be the Communists.

Actually, it still is the Communists. About 90% of all (non-science) departments in 90% of universities nationwide (and worldwide, come to think of it) are controlled by flat-out, unreconstructed, unapologetic Marxists. The whole way knowledge is approached and analyzed in academia is the Marxist approach. This is obviously a topic much bigger than can be covered in a 100-word blog comment, but it's the fact that Communists have taken over our universities that has allowed Islam to infect our K-12 schools.

Your papers are due by Friday at 5pm, on my desk.

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Can you say homeboyz? I knew you could.

I'm going over ground others have covered, but it's important. Great minds...

and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

I don't see how. This amounts to da'wa.

There is no historical or comparative religion teaching going on here. Those have been generally accepted as constitutional, if done properly. Discussing Mohammed's conquests, the creation of the Koran, or rules in sharia would probably be acceptable - in the right context. They are crossing straight over the constitutional line. This deals with the establishment of religion expressly disallowed in the First Amendment.

Imagine teaching the resurrection (Easter), birth of Jesus (Christmas), or the the Gospel of John - without any alternate views or secular history. As noted, the ACLU would assault the school with crack teams of commando lawyers.

This is clearly an establishment of religion. Other than compelling the students to actually convert, how could you establish religion any more? When parents want to teach their children religious doctrine in schools, they send their children to private schools.

#67 kristina37

Good point re the teachers...but now the Jewish population is shrinking all around the metro NY area..

As for observant Jews, the children go to Yeshivas and Day Schools. I don't think that any obervant Jews teach in the public schools, as there are too many days that they would not be able to teach. In addition, as the days grow shorter, the teachers would have to leave early on a Friday in order to prepare for Shabbat.

IMHO, the cult of islam has no more right to expect a Public school system to accomodate them than any religion that has requirements about dietary laws, etc.,and prayers, and religious matters during school hours.

They can send their kids for brainwashing 101 in their own damned training camps.

We are Traditional Conservative Jews, and observe Kashrut. My kids took lunch from home, and went to Hebrew School on Wednesday afternoons and Sunday. Our schools have early dismissal on Wednesdays for all religious instruction outside the school in the religious institution of your choice...or the kids who are not religious get to play football. :)

For the days they were out of school for a Jewish holiday, they made up the work, and it was nice, as the teachers usually did not schedule exams.

If they want to have a religious education for their kids, they can; in their own facilities. It absolutely does not belong in any public school in this country.

Funny how the Left doesn't find the idea of having Islam taught in schools as a form of indoctrination or mind conditioning.

What does pass for mind conditioning?

How about presidential polls that show Bush in the lead -

The recent polls showing a large Bush lead seem to be designed to either discourage Democratic voters and/or condition the American public for a Bush victory based on vote rigging.

...

The Bush Administration has been re-writing the tax codes, labor regulations and business laws to give more wealth and power to large corporations along with wealthy and powerful individuals since their first days in office. Polling outfits, media companies and their owners have benefited as never before in history. Many of these entities and individuals are doing everything in their power to keep the Bush Republicans in power.

You see, the media companies are doing everything in their power to help Bush. Just ask Dan Rather.

The massive increase in electronic voting machines will make it nearly impossible to detect vote fraud by computer hacking or hidden computer code. Many states are using machines that do not provide a paper receipt to voters. ...

These concerns would not be as serious if the computer codes used by voting machine makers were standard, open source codes like in New Zealand and Sweden. In the United States, the vote counting computer codes are company property not available to the average voter. Voters should be worried and watchful but not discouraged. The public will not tolerate massive vote fraud in America regardless of any attempts at conditioning the public by the Corporate Media.

Sounds like the Dems are conditioning the morlocks for stealth cheating - any result that is not a Kerry win will be fraudulent, and they don't have to prove it because of the "secret code."

Anyway, that gem comes from the Orwellian named CounterBias.com.

So having Islam sold to our kids when they could be learning history is benign, while statistical polling of registered voters is mind control.

OT:

Clare Short praises Bin Laden and Iraqi terrorists as freedom fighters.

Got my blood boiling.

They should hang her.

It comes from Gulf News:

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/print2.asp?Artic leID=134040

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/print2.asp?Artic leID=135170

The kid could not name even the general in charge of the Americans.

When I asked her what she had learned, she told me - how they dressed, what kind of food they ate, how to churn butter, how to make candles, how to ...

Well, militarybrat, it's more fun to learn about apple cider and butter churning than it is to learn about boring old Washington and Cornwallis, isn't it? And the whole point of education is to have fun!!! It's the cotton candy view of education. Forget those boring dates and memorizing names.

I watched "Sesame Street" as a kid and loved it and it's certainly better than a lot of the dumb kid's programming I've watched with my nephews and nieces on Saturday morning. But I wonder if it didn't start a bad trend - the idea that education should be fast-moving and fun, fun, fun, all the time.

I went to Catholic grade school, and contrary to the stereotypes, nuns were not beating me day in and out. The better ones went to some lengths to make their lesson plans interesting. However, they understood that sometimes you just have to buckle down and work - you have to memorize some dates, and practice spelling and diagram sentences, and it's not terribly fun, but once you do that, you can build on those skills and move onto things that capture your imagination a bit more. In other words, you eat your meat and potatoes and veggies first and then comes dessert.

I have seen the results of the "all fun, all the time" approach to education. I have a young man working for me now with a degree from the University of Wisconsin. As moonbatty as Madison is, UW-Madison has always had a very good academic reputation. I was floored the other day when I made reference to Sherman's March to the Sea and found he had no idea who Gen. Sherman was! This guy was a liberal arts major with a decent grade point average, but he never had to take a college level American history course. And his teachers in grade school and high school were probably too busy making the Civil War entertaining to bother teaching dates or names of generals.

He also didn't know what an anesthesiologist was.

#104, zombie. To support your thesis, one only has to examine the record of the Democrat Party Candidate and the leanings of those who support him most.

#100 cba

#61 zombie:
Sorry I didn't get back until now... Thanks SOOO much for that! I'm ferklempt! I've saved it on my computer.

Make sure you check out comment #71 too!

#105 piglet

It's okay. Tookie's a Nobel Peace Prize nominee.

O K Most everyone knows I'm a RedNeck
With that out of the way...
My children can't pray at school because of a few athiest!
But now my children will be prayed AT by the VERY animals that want to destroy MY way of life???
I DON'T THINK SO , SCOOTER!!!
I'm not having that!
I'll hold my children from school on thier "special" day!
PIG SHIT BE UPON EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!

#103 gymnast
Sadly so. However, rather than it being associated with a nationality nowadays, it sure is associated with the ROPMA.

#98 Albertadude

Now where the hell our those hypocritical bastards ACLU when you actually need them???

Where is the ACLU? I'll hazard a couple of guesses:

They're either currently planning a new legal defense strategy for NAMBLA, thus ensuring that their "constitutional right" to rape and murder children remains intact, or they're too busy planning their annual winter blitz against public schools in the Heartland and South in order to purge them of that most evil of holidays – Christmas.

#68 Conagher

I realize we can't do that sort of thing; we are a country of religious freedom. Though quite frankly, it wouldn’t bother me in the least to do so. But, then you have the old conundrum, where do you stop. It is an extremely difficult position for me to come to terms with. For example we have scientology as an accredited religion according to the IRS, having known several of that particular persuasion over the years, I would say it is nothing more that a money grubbing cult. But they have their rights according to our constitution. They also have their power and influence both seen and unseen. They have also been vindictive, malicious and harmful to those who spoken out about their 'religion'. Now suddenly it seems as if I could be describing another cult. But one with much greater influence and one which has a much greater chance of directly and specifically changing the character of our country.

At what point do/can we take action to save ourselves? At what point can/do we begin to set limits on the freedoms that we all hold so dear? Can we ever take that action and still be who we are? How do we defeat those who hate the beliefs we stand for yet use those same beliefs to undermine and destroy us?

Of course I got a little OT here. Yes we could keep a few copies of the Koran around, under lock and key, and to be used only for academic purposes. I can't worry about the copies in other parts of the world.

#114 RebTex

Methinks we need more rednecks and less neck sawers. By the way, did you know that people who have negative attitudes are just uneducated white conservative males (sorry if Charles already posted this)?

By the way, sucks that UT couldn't break the streak against OU. I'm quite glad that KU beat K-State tonight, though!

#111 gymnast

#104, zombie. To support your thesis, one only has to examine the record of the Democrat Party Candidate and the leanings of those who support him most.

True. But even more so, I've got pictures...heh heh heh. Yes, I'm putting together (very slowly) a photo essay of professors' doors and hallway bulletin boards. When I finally get around to putting it online, your brain will disintegrate from spinning leftward at 100mph.

#119 zombie

photo essay of professors' doors and hallway bulletin boards

What a good and clever idea. Can't wait to see it. Of course I will have to take extra blood pressure med before I do so.

#117 mudmarine

Those are some good points you raise. I guess it comes down to determining what freedoms we're willing to risk in order to defeat our enemy. I'd like to think that we can preserve the right to own a Qur'an while, at the same time, make the prospect of following and/or using it to wage war against the US impractical (read: lethal). In other words, maybe we can kill all the terrorists and scare all the other Muslims without having to ban the Qur'an here. I wouldn't be too surprised if I'm wrong, though.

I think dark days are ahead. I wonder what the attitude of the public will be after we have our next attack (I don't think in terms of "if", I think in terms of "when"). Will it be enough to shake the public out of our fascination with the incredibly vapid pop culture? Will our response be enough to truly put the enemy out of business? I think you are right in one aspect, though: some of our rights will likely need to be put on the shelf temporarily to vanquish the enemy, whether the ACLU likes it or not.

IMHO, I think it is worth it to read the Qur'an if for no other reason to know how our enemy thinks. In addition, should there be a run on toilet paper (no pun intended!), I will always have the words of Allah that I may wipe my ass upon.

I have an English sir name - changed from a German one by my grandfather when he came to this country at the end of WW I. I was told he needed to do this to get employment (how he got around the "accent" thing I don't know, but I digress !). A climate, during a time of war, that makes anyone from enemy territory feel "unwelcome" seems to me, to stem from a healthy sense self preservation. Now it's is so un PC as to be prosecutable. Have we lost our F>>>ing MINDS in this country ? Or, are we letting people who have seemingly lost their freaking minds drag us to hell with them ?
How can it be that a teacher in NJ is sent packing for hanging a picture of the President of the United States of America on a class room wall and the teacher(s) that proposed this little outing will probably have the skids greased for him/her all the way to tenure for having planned this ! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING !! I am really begining to feel that I can't take anymore !
I had a strange thought the other day :) that really summerized the almost out of body, surreal feelings I've been experiancing anytime I turn on the TV/radio, log on, or glimse at a news paper headline:
Back in 1980 as I headed home from a club one night I failed to negotiate a turn and hit a tree head on. I did not survive the crash. The transition to the after life is seemless. And this world I live in is ACTUALLY HELL and HELL is living life in what appears to be the surroundings you knew all your life except its not - its HELL and everything you ever feared might come to pass when you were alive actually happens. The ONLY thing that keeps me sane is knowing what previous generations experianced and survived. But at least the MSM, Hollywood, pop icons, their teachers and their parents, their neighbors and the politicians were UNITED. Ok, I need to SCREAM AGAIN !!!
I'm lucky if I can get ONE PERSON in a room of 5 that agrees with me. Please, please HELP ME HERE - tell me that someone ( a better ratio than 2 out of 5 ) is having something similar to these feelings !!!
And, what do we do about it ??? LGF is a great outlet but it in't going to make "it" go away (at least not yet).
Just stiffled a scream - the neighbors are getting jittery.

#119, zombie. About 20 years ago there was a series of very popular postors, the "Doors of--San Francisco, NY City, Boston, ect." If you could come up with a "Faculty Doors of" series-Harvard, Cal Berkley, ect you could probably make a fair piece of change. If you were to combine the picture of the door with a photo ID of the faculty member, you could probably get paid not to publish it. But you could then publish it anyways-- as a regulation bench rest target.

OK. So where does all this leave us?

Are we at war with Islam? Are all Moslems the enemies of the West, or more likely, of all non-Moslems? If so, should we attempt to destroy the enemy before he destroys us?

I am asking because I ask myself these questions often. In my gut, to the very core of my being, I feel that yes, it has come to this. I think we in the west--by this I mean those of us whose countries generally value and still adhere to the fundamental foundational values of the Judeo-Christian ethic-- ARE absolutely at war with Islam. I also feel that the preponderance of the people in control of the Moslem world have inflamed and incited their uneducated peasant and merchant classes to this state.

So, if I feel this, way, then it should follow that I also believe we should take this to its logical conclusion, and begin waging absolute war to win it absolutely. We should indeed try to destroy our enemies before they destroy us. Totally.

And so on...

That's on my worst days; days like this, when I have just read so many things that get my blood boiling that I literally need to do something else for a while (like read Larson cartoons) to calm down. I need to take that really, really deep breath...

But of course, there are decent Moslem Americans, some even serving in the military. And of course, not every Moslem is really our enemy. And even more to the point, I suppose it's possible that a good many Moslems don't even know what it is that they hate us for (except what they have been told about us), and that they might be our allies or at least not our enemies if we could educate them.

So the trick, then, is sifting through the detritus to identify those Moslems who are the enemy so we can send those special folks on their great reward as soon as possible. Therein lies the challenge, and to be honest, I am genuinely and sincerely grateful that I am not George W., nor Putin, nor anyone else who actually has the power to annihilate whole countries--to kill people by the millions. I am not sure that I would have had the will power to NOT nuke Kabul or Tehran after 9/11. And even now, I am not sure I would be able to keep myself from slaughtering every male Chechen I could find in retaliation for Beslan.

So it comes to this, as it does every time I go down the path of righteous anger toward praying for the complete destruction of the arab Moslem world. I have to tell myself: It isn't all of them. It isn't every one of them. It would be wrong to kill them all. It would be wrong to avenge 4,000 deaths on 3 million. It would be wrong and I really don't want that. I just want them to leave us alone and let us live in peace.

Of course, I can say that. But it isn't easy believing it. And the frustration just makes me cry.

What the liberals and the Bush haters of the world DO NOT understand is that for all his so-called "evil ways," it is only Bush's compassion, decency, and American sense of fairness and justice that prevents this country from doing to the Arabs what Hitler did to the Jews, Stalin to his millions, and Pol Pot to his. We are not rapacious Mongol invaders, nor conquering Huns, nor Warsaw Pact oppressors...

But sometimes, I wish we were. Just a little. Even just a smidgen...

< very long, deep, painful sigh >

- SangerM

Conagher #99

They'll soon find out, being pissed off is so much better than being pissed on. Submit?
I don't think so.

Hey you crapass islamonazis, if you're reading this, may piss run down your right leg, boogers sling onto your right hand and swine run rampant right over the top of you.

AHHHhhhooowwwaaahhh !!!

(Couldn't help myself)

121 Conagher 10/9/2004 10:30PM PST

"should there be a run on toilet paper (no pun intended!), I will always have the words of Allah that I may wipe my ass upon. "

Now that _shouldn't_ be funny, but it sure as hell got a laugh out of me!!!

- SangerM

Boy talk about sick and needing professional help!

Nuts
This local story does nothing to diminish my long held belief that psychiatrists are the craziest people of all.

A psychiatrist who police say smeared excrement on dollar bills used to pay a parking ticket has been charged with harassment of a public official.

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>> The Council on Islamic Education, a nonprofit organization based in California, plans to release an updated version of its booklet “Muslim Holidays,”

LAWSUIT TIME.

This is in Fairfax, VIRGINIA?

WTF is wrong with the parents that they aren't suing the living shit out of these bastards??? Aren't there any Southerners left there who have a set?

If that atheist in Californica can sue the school for making his daughter say the words "under God," we sure as shit can sue these POS for indoctrinating our kids with that evil "religion." Goddammit.

O/T:

Have you guys seen this? When LLL thugs ... um ... relieve themselves (don't worry, it's PG rated).

leftover - stay away from the brownshirt acid

WTF?

Zombie #83

Uh, maybe you didn't grow up where I grew up, but: when I was in public school we had to do Kwanzaa every freakin' year.

Not surprised Kwanzaa got some time. Do you do any others?

leftover54 -

It took a while, but i found a transcript of a Larry King interview with a gal who syas she is psychic and can talk to the dead. She took calls during the show and it creeped me out a bit.

Anyway, in the interview this came up

KING: How come they're always nice? By that I mean, someone dies and they always ask -- We love you. We still love you. How come no one says, I didn't like you when I was alive and I still don't like you?

BROWNE: Because heaven is a happy place. You see, if everybody was stomping around over there all ticked off, it wouldn't be happy.

KING: How about hell.

BROWNE: This is hell, Larry. This is hell. There's no...

KING: I knew there was a reason I had a cold!

BROWNE: Yes.

KING: Nobody has a cold in heaven.

BROWNE: No.

KING: OK. This is hell.

BROWNE: This is hell. There's no pit with somebody with a red suit.

KING: What happens to bad people when they die?

BROWNE: They have to come right back in. They don't get to go through the tunnel.

KING: So the Hitlers and them, they come back.

BROWNE: They recycle.

KING: Until they what, get good?

BROWNE: Well, until -- or else God absorbs them.

KING: There is a God.

BROWNE: Oh, yes, there is a God.

Link

So this gal (Sylvia Browne) says that this planet we live on is hell, and we are all trying to work our way off of it while the true bastards keep coming back to life. maybe OBL was Hitler.

#122 leftover54

I'm lucky if I can get ONE PERSON in a room of 5 that agrees with me. Please, please HELP ME HERE - tell me that someone ( a better ratio than 2 out of 5 ) is having something similar to these feelings

Don't mean to depress you or give you that "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" feeling, but in my ENTIRE LIFE I have never met or spoken to a Republican or right-winger. Not one. Ever. (That I'm aware of, at least). I'm not kidding. So, for me, it's a ratio of 35,000 - 0 when it comes to "don't-get-it"s vs. "get-it"s among the people I know and have ever known. Imagine living in that kind of hell.

In fact, right now I even know very few Democrats. Almost all of my "friends" and acquaintances are so far left they think Kerry is not much different from Hitler Bush.

(This guy pretty much sums up the political feeling around here at the moment.)

leftover, you're just going to have to spend more time glued to LGF. It's like a continuous intravenous dose of Wellbutrin for most of us.

#130,

When I was living in DC for many years (and VA and MD), Rosslyn and other places in Northern VA close to DC were conveniently referred to as "Mecca" because of the huge number of Arabs living there (and going to University as well).

The extent to which extremists, terrorists etc are found in Northern VA doesn't surprise me at all. I remember entire apartment blocks there which were basically all Muslim/Arab without exception.

124 SangerM

I was posting at the same time as you Both of my "comments" - the scream etc.) were meant to be posted concurrently. They are not a comment on yours - just read yours it and its very thoughtful.
But, I have to again invoke the straight, level, eyes wide open thought process of what has been dubbed "The Greatest Generation" - they, I'm sure, wrestled with the thought of incinerating the innocents in Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima (and I'm not necessarily proposing that) and, in the end, self survival (preservation) won out. He who blinks looses. These people mean business (our destruction). We have "choice". We see them as "evil", they see us as "evil". We can choose to annihilate them, they are thinking the same about us. If self preservation is a sane "trait" then the only sane thing we can do is annihilate them first - innocents and all. Or they will annihilate us - innocents and all. One hell of a predicament. One choice or be rendered "choice-less".

What's it going to be ?

#127 SangerM

Thanks! I tried to think of a less crude way to put it that didn't involve the word ass, but it just wasn't the same. Kind of a perverse form of writers' block.

I think I've been watching too much Monty Python on BBC America, though. Remember the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Silly me, I thought their holy month of Bombathon lasted all year long.

Aren't there any Southerners left there who have a set?

Lady of Shalott (ylreveb): Fairfax County really is not very Southern. It's mainly populated by pretty well-heeled DC professionals who come from all over the country.

The Charlottesville writer Florence King once said on a DC news program that she wanted the Northern Virginia counties of Arlington and Fairfax to secede from Virginia and hook up with the suburban Maryland counties so they could form a seperate state with DC as the capital and make one big pothole of the place. That ruffled a few feathers.

Once more, peeps--

If that idiot Newdow can hold up an entire school with a lawsuit (and his wife and daughter against him), WHERE is the Virginian who will stand up for his/her children?

Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit!!!

The glory of this country is that you just can't PULL shit like this. We have the RULE OF LAW here, folks. If we just roll over whenever the Comintern/Moslem Alliance pulls crap like this, we're too weak to survive.

Hey, zombie! I hear you. Living in Moscow on the Hudson, myself. It's so tiring. Dealing with morons all the time, and malignant morons at that.

I only know ONE Republican in NYC. One other friend is a Democrat who's going to vote for Bush. And that's IT.

At least I have a Southern family that's 50% conservative! We exchange wonderfully incorrect emails.

I wonder how many parents making the switch to homeschooling or private schools do so because of this. (as opposed to academic reasons.)
OT, I know there are a few homeschooling parents here, so if anyone has any thoughts on curriculums, please email me! I am strongly considering this route, after my 10 year old was STABBED in the arm with a broken pencil on Wednesday. By the same little angel that slapped her the first week of school, and shoved her and bloodied her knee the following week. No one from the school informed me of ANY of these events.
When I brought it up with the teacher, she said, "Well, little Suzy isn't completely innocent here & I'll talk to the father" Well, if she really has done something that justifies getting slapped, shoved, and stabbed (which I doubt she has) then why haven't they told me? I also doubt the father is doing ANYTHING, as I saw the kid merrily riding his bike Wednesday afternoon.
Oh and the kid also said to her "Suzy's gonna DIE, and I'll feel really sorry for her" I live not too far from a town where two 12 year olds (allegedly, hasn't gone to trial yet) stabbed to death another 12 year old. I harbor no illusions that children are incapable of deadly violence. Sorry for the long OT

#142 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

The glory of this country is that you just can't PULL shit like this. We have the RULE OF LAW here, folks.

Go to your local law school and try telling one of the professors that (it goes without saying he's a LLL). You'll get more "nuances" from him in five minutes than we could get from eight years of a (God forbid!) Kerry administration.

If we just roll over whenever the Comintern/Moslem Alliance pulls crap like this, we're too weak to survive.

Truest words typed to this thread so far.

SangerM #124

Excellent and thoughtful post. With all our security measures since 9/11, and probably more to come, we've taken on the task of separating the good Muslims from the bad. That's become a very time-consuming, inconvenient and expensive undertaking. I often wonder how long our nation will be willing to keep this up domestically. And if the terrorists have more "successes" within the US, how much further will we take these measures before deciding it's not worth it, and some more radical approach is needed, or maybe demanded by the citizens.

Americans will become very impaitient and intolerant at some point if there is more terror in the US.

Can I just say this and get it over with? Should I carry a sign saying "the end is near?" My grandchildren are at risk of getting brainwashed in California's public schools. Only 2 of them are almost out of reach of the California Teacher's Union because they attend a private religious school, but what will happen to the others? Teachers here are so damn liberal and have no hesitation about imparting their "wisdom" to their students...my grandchildren! I'm getting out the duct tape here because the magma is close to exploding.

#136 zombie
I thought about the "ratio" thing and if you asked my "perception" I would have used your numbers too !! I narrowed it down to my co workers. But yes, that is the problem - either no one wants to talk about it or we are really very alone - hence my perception of "hell". Ever notice when you go to get your car serviced or stop in some other local business it seems the radio is always tuned to some FM rock station ???
I'm thinking to my self - this don't look like a LLL enviorment to me, how the hell can they just go through their work day listening to "Highway To Hell"
(irony intended) by AC/DC for the 1,0000th time when I can't even THINK of putting on the FM in times like these ! I step out of my car, my head swimming from just hearing another unfreakingbeleivable story from Rush etc. and into freaking La La Land. Then I think, well, maybe these are just the die hards that are so sure we are going to kick some serious MF butt that they don't need to listen to anything else - just waiting for the call. I can't figure out how the hell they get through their day w/o hearing some "truth".

#135 karmic_inquisitor

Thank you for taking the time to post that !!

#144 coastygirl

Holy schnikes! I'm not surprised the school won't discipline the kids (fear of a lawsuit), but I can't imagine the parent won't do something about this little hellion. Did you ever talk to the little bastard's parents?

Man, if that kind of thing happened to a child of mine I can't fathom how angry I'd be!

#134 a.k.a. Will

Zombie #83
Uh, maybe you didn't grow up where I grew up, but: when I was in public school we had to do Kwanzaa every freakin' year.

Not surprised Kwanzaa got some time. Do you do any others?

Let's see...we had Malcolm X's birthday as a school holiday (not kidding), The Right Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day long before it was a state or federal holiday; Indigenous Peoples Day (that's Columbus Day for you Neanderthals), and on May 1st we had people like Angela Davis and veterans of the Lincoln Brigade from the Spanish Civil War give lectures to the whole school in the auditorium. So, it wasn't a religion thing at all with Kwanzaa in my school -- it was a black thing. (Later, when I found out Kwanzaa is just a cockamamie phony non-holiday concocted out of thin air in 1966, all I could muster was a bitter laugh.)

Lady of Shalott #130

WTF is wrong with the parents that they aren't suing the living shit out of these bastards??? Aren't there any Southerners left there who have a set

That part of Virginia isn't really southern. It's bureaucrats from all over and a fair number of immigrants, as I understand it. And this would be a local school board matter, I think.

And, yes, there are plenty of southerners left with a pair further south, but PC also complicates things at times.

#132 MootPoint

Yeah dude, it's me thats tripping.

Have you guys checked out the latest hilarity from Jib-Jab? Pretty funny stuff.

zombie: I don't think I met any Republicans til I was in my '20's. I have never lived in a neighborhood that was not LLL.

That's true of a lot of LGFers. So many of us either live in idiotarian-rich environments or have rabid Bush-hater relatives and friends.

I was computerless for a little over a month back in August and September and since I don't have cable I fell back on the MSM for my news. The combination of overexposure to the MSM and Kerry signs everywhere with no LGF or other online antidote really started to effect me. You start thinking you're the only person in the world who yells "Bullshit!" at the TV when Jennings starts droning on about the "cycle of violence" or "the Iraqi insurgents."

If it weren't for blogs and folks like Charles, I would probably be in a padded cell at this point.

Although I have noticed something else that helps - driving out into the countryside. When I head up to Northern Wisconsin and start seeing bunches of Bush signs and American flags painted on the sides on barns, I breathe a sigh of relief. My little LLL corner of the country is part of America, but not the only part and not necessarily a terribly representative part either.

#146 song_and_dance_man

Ooh, that's close to home, there. I figured the Texas school system would be a little better than that. I trust some of my good Lone Star neighbors went in and raised holy hell.

Private schools it is, then, even if I have to work three jobs to pay for it.

My cousin, whose children are in a greater Houston ISD put it succinctly when he told me it was his opinion that public schools were training children to be "compliant little shitheads."

Zombie #151

Wow. Well, all I can say is, we in the state of Alabama graced you with Angela Davis. She found her home at Berkeley.

leftover - inhale deeply, exhale slowly

we're all in this together. hang in there.

138 leftover54 10/9/2004 11:00PM PST
> I was posting at the same time as you Both of my "comments" - the scream etc.) were meant to be posted concurrently. They are not a comment on yours -

Didn't take it that way, but thanks anyway.

> What's it going to be ?

My father-in-law was a corpsman in WWII, on Saipan, Tinian, and Okinawa w/ the Seabees and the Marines. He was to the end of his life absolutely glad the US nuked Japan because it meant he didn't have to go through that last great amphibious assault. He ended up in Chosan in Korea, later, and I suspect he would have liked to see us do the same to N/ Korea.

My step-father was in Carlson's Raiders during WWII. Supposedly he was on Tarawa, too. He had lots of problems with that. We all shared those problems.

As a child, I eavesdropped on more than a few conversations about relatives who didn't escape from Germany or Russia or Georgia, of whom only God knows what happened.

I spent years watching the Czech and East Germans watching me, and looking at their stinking fence, and wondering when it would all fall apart, ready to do what I needed to do, but hoping it wouldn't.

With all of that (and more) being part of who I am, the answer is crystal clear. To me, it is a fight to the finish, and that it's just a matter of time before we really get down to business.

That's my personal feelings, but I don't really want to be right. I want to see this stop, and I want to see the rest of the world get some sense. I know it isn't going to happen, and that we're going to have break a whole lot more eggs making the omelets of peace, but I still wish it weren't necessary, and that I didn't have to repress so many screams too...

Know what I mean?

V/R
SangerM

So who all is in control over all this shit nowadays?

It's too pervasive and P.C.-accepted to be coincidence.

I hate to think the dreaded word conspiracy, but really, what else could it be?

Let's see:
Western Civ is going to hell; the Libs everywhere are in acendancy; paganism and every manner of perversion abounds; we conversatives of Jewish/Christian persuasion have to fight tooth and nail to retain the scraps of religious freedom we once enjoyed in abundance; and the corker is the Moslems who are actually the enemy of all of us, are celebrated and revered by the P.C. crowd.

I'm pragmatic and a realist, but I having major trouble seeing good times ahead -- end times are upon us I'm thinking.

And my little boy is only six -- I weep for him

139 Conagher 10/9/2004 11:02PM PST

I think I've been watching too much Monty Python on BBC America, though. Remember the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Yes. And Run away, Run away! (but I may be mixing movies?) was that LoB or ISotHG?

"Why, that's what Jesus said!"

SangerM

This really upset me until I read the part about the Muslims sharing the wonderful taste of dates with the children.

Beheadings, stonings, ritual clitorectomy, jihad, fatwa, and homicide bombings are one thing.

But you just can't beat the taste of a savory date.

158 MootPoint

oh, we're on the same side ? didn't catch that from the "acid" comment.

#149 leftover54 

leftover, I've got two words for you:

Silent Majority.

It was Nixon's campaign slogan in 1968, when he won the election in the most liberal year in American history. And it's the reason Bush will win this year. I know for a fact that MOST people feel like us -- they just either are too afraid to express it in public, or their thoughts haven't coalesced completely yet. But I'd say about 58% of Americans know the score. Unfortunately, a certain percentage of them have been tricked into thinking that Kerry will be better on defense than Bush -- but not a sufficient number to sway the election.

You are not alone.

I've always sent Christmas cards to all my friends. A New York pal got a real hardon about it, though, and I've pruned all non-Christians from my list. I hate to do it, though. Was just sharing my happiness. Will she be insulted if I invite her to my Christmas party???

I always have a Motley Crew, btw. :-) And a Christmas tree, Nativity scene, Christmas carols. When the place is packed, I turn out all the lights and light the real candles on the tree, while those of us who know the words sing Silent Night. It's beautiful to see how the trees looked 100 years ago. Then we blow out the candles to keep the Nervous Nellies happy. :-)

That one friend is the only one who's reacted that way to a card.

I get Hanukkah cards too, and they go up on the mantel beside my Christmas ones. I'm touched to be remembered by my Jewish friends.

I hate all this divisiveness and ethnic conflict. When I was growing up, we all just thought of ourselves as Americans.

#150 Conagher
I was considering talking to his parents, but my younger brother told me he thought it was a bad idea, that it would put them on the defensive. He was constantly harassed and assaulted in school, and when he finally fought back, guess who got in trouble?
I don't know this kids situation, maybe HE is getting harassed by other kids and takes it out on mine? It doesn't matter. I told the kid that afternoon that I have told Suzy that she is to be kind to him, if they can't get along then to stay away from each other, and to KEEP HIS HANDS TO HIMSELF! Then I shook his hand.
I don't think the school cares if they lose her, as this other family has 2 kids enrolled, and younger kids. We only have one, and they know we're leaving this summer when my husband gets a new billet(?)
I'm also concerned, because they're not doing this kid any favors by letting this behavior continue. But my job is to look out for my childs safety, so I'm going to tell the school that if this continues, I WILL pull her out and homeschool her.

LAUNCELOT: We have the Holy Hand Grenade.
ARTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard!
Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!
MONKS: [chanting] Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona
eis requiem.
ARTHUR: How does it, um-- how does it work?
LAUNCELOT: I know not, my liege.
ARTHUR: Consult the Book of Armaments!
BROTHER MAYNARD: Armaments, chapter two, verses nine to twenty-one.
SECOND BROTHER: And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow
Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and
orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu--
MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother.
SECOND BROTHER: And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three
shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that
thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of
Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
MAYNARD: Amen.
KNIGHTS: Amen.
ARTHUR: Right! One!... Two!... Five!
GALAHAD: Three, sir!
ARTHUR: Three!
[angels sing]
[boom]

I have retained my sense of humor.

It would be wrong to kill them all.

It is not necessary. Islam is a parasitic culture, without a host to prey on, it will gradually die by itself.

Three things need to be done so that they don't drag us down with them:

-Stop the Muslims immigration;

-Stop granting citizenship to and re-patriate Muslim non-citiizens back to dar-al-islam. Closely monitor the remaining ones (citizens).

-Take full control of the oil fields.

Deprived of the oil revenue, of the visas and greencards, Islam withers and dies within 1-2 generations.

Zombie, if you're still there--

How did you wake up? I'm fascinated that you escaped the Hive Mind.

Every one please check out post #45 in this post. We can talk about it forever, but doing somthing about it is much more effective.

thanks zombie

164 zombie

I pray your right brother - keep the faith.

161 SangerM

Yup, that was Holy Grail.

I find that I enjoy watching the troupe make fun of the French more and more as I watch events in Europe.

"I'm French. Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king."

More Holy Grail quotes here, including the Holy Hand Grenade piece.

/hijacking thread

147 a.k.a. Will 10/9/2004 11:17PM PST
SangerM #124

> How much further will we take these measures before deciding it's not worth it, and some more radical approach is needed, or maybe demanded by the citizens. Americans will become very impatient and intolerant at some point if there is more terror in the US.

Where I work, we talk about these things daily. Friday, the subject of Beslan and the American school plans found in Iraq came up. One person said that if the enemy did that in America, most Americans would just roll over. I and several others disagreed in no uncertain terms, based on this belief (that it turns out we all shared):

So far, we have been "nice." The rest of the world probably wouldn't believe it; many clueless American would not believe it, but as anyone with a brain and a little experience knows, Americans can be the meanest and deadliest people on the planet when they really get focused and determined. I am not trying to make us sound like John Wayne, but lets put it in perspective: Only the US has ever nuked another country, and only the toons among us feel that was wrong.

Frankly, I believe that if the jihadi brothers traveling road show were to make the mistake of doing here what they did in Beslan, it would be all over for their people except for the gnashing of teeth. I don't know what form our anger would take, but I really don't think it could be contained. Nukes? They'd be lucky if that's all we did.

Of course, this all depends on Bush staying President. God help us if Kerry gets elected!

V/R
SangerM

#166 coastygirl

Not surprised your child got in trouble for sticking up for himself. I think bullies have such a perfect climate in today's schools.

As for whether or not they're doing them any favors - do you think they care? They'll just promote him on to the next grade, thus it is no longer the teacher's problem. Or just put them in some form of disciplinary segregation until he drops out and relieves the district of his bothersome presence. Doing this kid a favor is probably the least of their concern.

I feel bad for your kid, though. I hope things wind up better for him at your next place.

Folks,

I hope my comments weren't construed to mean I propose the wholesale slaughter of Muslims. I am a Christian. But I want to live out my natural life as a healthy Christian. And I want the same for my kids.
But it's getting damn close to crunch time and time to be a little less "sensitive" lest it gets us all killed.
If dancing in the streets at the sight of 3,000 of our fellow citizens is their reaction... I don't know, I've got to go to bed ! G'Night All !!

#170 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

Zombie, if you're still there--
How did you wake up? I'm fascinated that you escaped the Hive Mind.

Actually, as far as I can tell, I haven't woken up. I still have most of my "liberal" (for lack of a better word) values. What has happened is that what we used to call "the Left" has gone completely around the bend, and it now stands for and promotes totalitarianism. I stayed still -- it's everyone else who shifted.

From my point of view, Bush is the most progressive defender of liberal values this country has seen since Franklin D. Roosevelt. A dark mantle of Islamic fascism and Marxist totalitarianism is threatening to envelope the globe, and among politicians only George Bush seems to "get it." He is out there defending our right to be hippy-dippy poofter dilettantes. I just can't grasp why none of my fellow hippy-dippy poofter dilettantes sees this obvious fact.

SangerM #174

I agree. A lot might depend on where in the US more attacks happened. But I believe if more happened, especially anything involving schools, that the citizens would demand some drastic action. If not taken, some citizens would be begin to take action.

And we'd never learn to live with what Israel lives with. Of course, all the circumstances are different. But after some number of future attacks, things would become ugly, government sponsored or not.

It's late. Thanks for the thoughtful posts.

WTF?!WTF!?WTF?!...If this was Jewish or Christian the ACLU and the teachers union would be howling at the moon!

#174 SangerM

Do you really think we'd nuke someone over a Beslan-esque situation here? I mean, look what happened after 9/11. Everyone was mad for a few months. We toppled the Taliban. Then we were told to understand that 9/11 doesn't represent Islam. Then, I think, we just turned 9/11 from a rallying call to another type of victimhood. Frankly, I was surprised at how quickly the anger over 9/11 evaporated. I mean, look at it now. It's now the "9/11 tragedy." And remember, this was after the first WTC attack, the USS Cole, embassy bombings and Daniel Pearl. Too many Americans don't consider 9/11 any major turning point, and too many don't realize we're at war, in my opinion.

I guess I think there are too many people who are a) too apathetic about current events to really get angry about this war we're in, or b) too used to peace to really support a full-on war. I just think it's going to take more to jolt the American public into action.

#45 Thanks for the names/titles. An e-mail away (tomorrow).

ZZZzzz

#150 Conagher

I didn't mean to ignore your reply. Went to copy/paste for spell-check and lost the whole thing. I also had comments for 122 leftover54 and 124 SangerM as well. Dammit. I'm a poor writer so could never duplicate.

I don't have answers for the particulars of the crap that has been thrust upon us. Maybe I should just stick to the thoughts I was having on 9/11 while watching those cowardly bastards do their deed, I just wanted to go kill 'them', as many as I could find, wherever they were. I don't like having that base of an emotion, but there are times when it is proper to feel that way, and also times when it is proper to act that way.

I admit at times I become disheartened; there is so much to do to get this thing turned around. But we are making progress, I just wonder if we have enough time before it’s too late?

One thing I am doing is taking solace in the fact that we have someone at the controls that is doing something. I was not a fan of GWB, still don’t agree with all that he does, but I have more and more respect for him each day that passes. He is being strong, resolute and steadfast in the face of a seemingly intractable situation. He is a good example for us all.

SangerM

Thank you for your thoughtful posts.

#179 greenmiler 10/10/2004 12:00AM PST

WTF?!WTF!?WTF?!...If this was Jewish or Christian the ACLU and the teachers union would be howling at the moon!

I'll resort to showing inappropriate levity:
What else would you expect of moonbats?

Back ON topic for a moment:

I find this to be very revealing of what's really going on inside the heads of the Fairfax school administrators:

The Fairfax County Public Schools terrorism preparedness page contains this snippet:

Web Resources on Violence and Terrorism

American Red Cross guide Terrorism: Preparing for the Unexpected (PDF document)

A National Tragedy: Promoting Tolerance and Peace in Children-Tips for Parents and Schools

Talking to Children About Violence and Other Sensitive and Complex Issues in the World

Advice to Educators From the American-Arab Antidiscrimination Committee

with a link to a "don't discriminate against all Arabs next time there's a terrorist attack" page.

The question arises: why have that particular warning on the school Web site? Why not a link to a Baptist or Zoroastrian page? Because the school administrators know full well that the next terrorist attack is going to be committed by Muslims, that's why. The bureaucrats smile, and go through the PC multicultural gestures, but in the back of their minds they know where the next attack is coming from.

I bet they stare at the ceiling in the middle of the night.

180 Conagher 10/10/2004 12:04AM PST
182 mudmarine 10/10/2004 12:10AM PST

To be honest, I don't know what I think some days or what I think we'd do. I have been truly, deeply pissed off since 9/11. A lot of people I know share that very repressed anger. Some days, I get so mad it makes me cry in frustration, other days, I rant at the sky as I drive to work (45 min commute) listening to NPR (I hate a lot of NPR, but Rick and Bubba are sophomoric). I think all that anger is still there, to be honest.

In my mind most days, we clearly just haven't killed enough people yet. To my simple way of thinking, if we kill the right number of people (give or take a few hundred thousand), the rest will give up, sort of the way Hirohito changed his mind when two of his cities turned to ashes (you really ought to see the videos of the post-war investigations!)

BUT--and this is a big BUT to me--the part of me that tries to be a good person who just wants to be left alone in peace realizes this is not really a good thing to want. Basically, given choices, we should try the less angry, less killing path. Of course, I am not JimboCarter, and I would never let my desires for peace turn me into an emasculated pacifistic marxist moron.

so while I want one thing, I prepare for the other.

In many ways, I am a cynical optimist (or vice versa). I know everything will work out in the end, but I think it's going to be a really bad trip (in the old purple microdot sense).

I guess, I'd be willing to go see if the Wizard could give me a brain, but I wouldn't really expect him to be wearing any clothes...

Or whatever... It's late.

G'night and thanks for the chat!

#182 mudmarine

No sweat on not getting back to me. I just figured you went to bed or something.

I know what you're talking about when you speak of how you felt that day (strange how it's just "that day," like it is such a universal reference point that a euphemism will do). I recall going to class and seeing a woman of obvious Arab descent in a headscarf walking on campus. I recall that it was just me and her there. I doubt she noticed me. I remember thinking, 'How dare you show your face on a day like today! How dare you!' I remember it taking a great degree of self-control not to snatch that scarf right off her head and pummeling her. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of that; it was what it was. But I think you are right when you say that sometimes a violent and visceral reaction is appropriate. Clearly it would not have been in my case, but I think some sort of immediately retaliatory action would have been justified, not just in Afghanistan, but in Mecca as well.

I agree with you regarding the President as well. I can think of a couple of big topics about which I disagree with him, but at least he is willing to do something. Especially since his predecessor was perfectly content doing nothing. Hopefully if he is able to get a mandate and some help in the form of a more conservative Congress, maybe the fact that he won't have to worry about reelection will make him a little more gung-ho on the War on Terror.

#144 Coastygirl

I homeschooled my girls for quite a few years. I tried to email you but it didn't work. Maybe a glitch??

If you want any info you can try to email me. In fact there is even a group called "homeschoolers for Bush" the students use this program as a civics lesson and complete projects for grades/points. It is free to sign up...we did it in 2000...my girls had a blast.
President Bush sent them a wonderful card and letter thanking them as well as an invitation to the inaguration. In any case my girls tested well above their peers after only 1 year of homeschooling. I can fill you in on more info when you write.

Mark Steyn in the Spectator.

"The real divide is between the neocons (for want of a better term) and the ‘assertive nationalists’ — that’s to say, those who think we ought to bomb rogue states, smash their regimes and rebuild them as democratic societies, and those who think we ought to bomb rogue states, smash their regimes, and then leave them to stew in their own juices, with a reminder that if the next thug is foolish enough to catch Washington’s eye, then (as Arnie says) ‘Ah’ll be back!’ This difference can seem like a big deal — those who think we need to win their hearts and minds vs those who think they’re mostly heartless and mindless, so who cares? But in truth it’s only a difference of degree. "

those who think we need to win their hearts and minds vs those who think they’re mostly heartless and mindless, so who cares?

YeeHAW!! love the "heartless and mindless"!

#184 zombie

Very instructive. I like how the emphasis is on promoting tolerance (read: pussifying our children). And the Arab/Muslim "don't hate us just because we blew up Mommy and Daddy" page is cute, too. In a sick way. The more I think about it, the more I believe a little intolerance from time to time is a good thing. Anyone ever stop and think how intolerant Jesus was? Anyone remember how He didn't sit around and hold hands with the Pharisees? The moneychangers in the temple ring any bells here?

The tolerance thing reminds me of a anecdote G. Gordon Liddy said one time. In the 1920s and 1930s the French children were taught to tell their parents or their teachers if there were some problem with a bully. At the same time little German children were taught to stand up for themselves against bullies and the like. Years later the German Wehrmacht forced France to capitulate in seven weeks. I wonder, will this emphasis on tolerance of the enemy and being averse to confrontation help us win a war against them?

He is out there defending our right to be hippy-dippy poofter dilettantes. I just can't grasp why none of my fellow hippy-dippy poofter dilettantes sees this obvious fact.

LOL!
Well, they did for about 3 months, I hear--they were actually flying American flags along Castro STreet!

I'm still a feminist, greenie, American patriot. Emancipated Western woman and damned proud of it. Love my country.

I agree with you that George is the one fighting the good fight. After hearing my LLL friends snarl about Bush establishing democracy and freeing women from slavery ("it's their cultyoor," dontcha know), I have realized that their alleged principles are just that: they don't give a damn about anything except keeping the Left in power and Evil WASPS down. Racist and totalitarian. It's mind-boggling.

I've often wished FDR were still the model for the Dm. party. Or, even better, Truman. I've always loathed the New Left.

Of course, the Old Left had its share of Stalinists, who were downright evil. [sigh]

Guess it goes to show that there's no such thing as a perfect solution. But I will vote for a patriot over a traitor every time.

If this is coming to my school, I will be staging a protest and I will not accept it no matter the circumstances.

Thank you, Conagher(all comments) and Thank you to Kawfytawk (LOVE your nic!)
I don't know what the deal is with my email. Kawfytawk, I don't see your email address Are we allowed to post our own email addresses? Mines easy coastygirl@gmail.com. I'd love to find out more about homeschooling, without being an annoying noob.
(feeling bad for threadjacking here)

Because I am a doomoss who forgot to update my profile. URK!

#193 coastygirl

Heh, heh, heh! Doomoss!

This article was from a few days ago, Ramadan terror concerns, but I imagine we’ll being seeing similar stories in the next few days.

If they’re going to be teaching about islam and Ramadan during this period of time they should damn well be teaching how Islamofascists use the period for one of heightened acts of barbarism and terror.

Given a precedence set by media attention and statements like this one from an 'Islamic expert',

“It humiliates millions and millions of ordinary peace-loving Muslims, if we associate Ramadan with violence” .

there should be an educational effort given in advance of the [bigoted word]’s program to dispel that silly notion that the very likely, and historically recorded, surge in barbarity they’ll see on TV during this period are only the acts of an estimated one-million, or so, Islamamaniac's.

The other billion+ are the ones they see and hear so much about that are busy fighting and protesting the acts of this small minority.

I must admit I have not read the thread, but I have no problem teaching the beliefs of Islam in public schools in the following framework:

1) All major religions are presented equally (Amish, Buddism, Hindu, Shinto, Confucianism, Christianity, etc). I do draw the line with devil worship. I REALLY wish I had a fair and balanced education in all religions, as a kid, or even right now.

2) There is NO promotion of the practice of any religion nor the judgement that one is superior over the other.

3) There is a compendium of the common beliefs and differences of all. This would be very interesting, in my view, as the commonality may carry fundamental universal truths and the differences would be descriptive characteristics of each.

4) there is a history of each religion and how they have revised themselves over time and how they have "interacted" [put into nice terms]

5) Others, but it's 3 AM here and while this may or may not be a drinking thread, I've dubbed it to be one none-the-less [wink]

This is not the first time islam has been spread using the public schools. About two years ago they did it here in California. I take anything I read at WND with a trust but verify attitude and this story was widely reported elsewhere on the net.

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Altavista returned buckets of hits
[Link: www.altavista.com...]

The problem I have with such programs is that they lie about the subject matter. These programs are created by moslems intent on spreading their religion. They are not going to tell children the unvarnished truth about islam. It is downright scary for teachers to be consulting a site named daralislam for information on islam. Go to [Link: www.khilafah.com...] and learn for yourself that dar al-islam means ruled by islamic law in all matters of life. This in reality means "ruled by the whim of the mullahs who intrepret islamic law". There are other sites on the net that present a comparable agenda.

Public schools presenting a protrayl of a kinder gentler islam only help to prepare the children for conversion.

Here's another resource
[Link: www.apostatesofislam.com...]

By this time in the thread I'm probably off-base (I just got onto this thread, there was some cool sh*t on SciFi) but a lot of entries concerned pulling their kids out of public schools and doing home school, or voucher. Look, One or three of us would pull our kids out of the LLLMSM schools but imagine all the LLLMSM kids still in there...by default we're dropping our message and handing the LLL message to untold numbers of children. Thier plan is to eventually outnumber us. It seems to me that pulling our kids out of public ed and ceding it to the LLL will produce far more many young Moonbats than if we were to take the schools back through the PTA or whatever is available.

Don't give up the fight!!!

Sort of but not entirely OT

I attended a fund raiser in Dallas on Thursday night for World Christian Broadcasting. They have a tower in Alaska and are getting ready for one in Madagascar. They will be able to broadcast in Arabic (and I guess other languages) to the entire Middle East when it is up. The land for the tower was donated by the govt there! They have sent 24 students to study at Abilene Christian University in Abilene, TX. These students are the beginning of a planned program to send students for college degrees in all fields who will return to Madagascar for positions in business, govt etc.

A Jordanian Christian gave the benediction in English and Arabic and he spoke about Middle Eastern Christians teaching their neighbors about Christianity.

Gracia Burnham was the guest speaker. She was the missionary who (with her husband) was kidnapped in the Phillipines by Abu Sayyaf. Her story was riviting. A middle class white woman survived a year in the jungle while being held captive and dodging the bullets of soldiers attempting to intercept them for a rescue. Her husband was killed in the assault that led to her rescue. Anyway they had some access to a short wave radio in the jungle and were able to get WCB programming one night.

It was heartening to hear about the efforts of WCB and hopefully someday these societies will be open and democratic. We just need to make sure the US is still open and democratic when that time comes. That the LLL and ACLU don't wreck our country!

#198 POL_CAT12

I've considered the idea that by leaving we lose our influence over the public schools. Although it's a valid point, I would not particularly be in favor of keeping my child(ren) in a school that exposes them to this kind of junk, and worse, just to be able to have a say in what goes on with other people's kids. I think leaving the schools is me voting with my feet. Anyway, I haven't seen that many good public schools around here that will offer a student the kind of education many private schools will.

Leftover#54

"#169 Q 10/9/2004 11:41PM PST

It would be wrong to kill them all.
It is not necessary. Islam is a parasitic culture, without a host to prey on, it will gradually die by itself.

Three things need to be done so that they don't drag us down with them:

-Stop the Muslims immigration;"

Michelle Malkin has been working that idea all year; none of the press (including FOX) has picked up on it. Immediately after 9/11 it was brought up but quickly squelched after the MSM realized where it would lead. If we were to quell illegal immigration we would have to get rid of the minimum wage. Period. Dems and RINOs can agree on this. None of the Media wants to play the card that in order to stop terrorism at home we have to seal the border and limit immigration. America is as wide open to imported terrorism as a Times Square whore is to the Clap. I just shudder to think what the Clap on the US will be when we reach critical mass on imported terrorists...maybe a Mushroom Clap?

#196 Max Darkside, Those are really good points! I read a book a few years back called "A Hero with a Thousand Faces" (Joseph Campbell) that discusses the common threads throughout different faiths. I was intrigued by one part where it said that in the Shinto practice, children are encouraged to play and laugh in the temple, and it pleases and entertains their deity.
Anyway, your points would be good in addressing these issues when people take this up with their schools. I don't see why scholls cannot also have a priest, Rabbi, Reverend and others invited to share their views. It's Multicultural!
I also can't figure out why preview shows scholls instead of schools. I spell really good usually!

#181 leftover54

I perfectly understand your uncertainity about reality.

I often express my own uncertainity as "I did not subscribe to this".

The fact is that this planet has been almost always a shitty place. It is probably only the last 50 years where it got a chance to change for the better.

It is as if world affairs were in hands of some insane deity, demanding rivers of blod as a payback for any blink-of-the-eye moment that is relatively tranquil.

Q, with the concept of parasitic culture may have expressed something that is a metaphor of the true state of reality.

What if the culprit is not really cultural but biological, in rather a broader sense? What if the cultural parasitism is just a form of expression that this factor can manifest?

Not really a body snatchers that can produce an identical copy that pretends to be a human, but something that needs the host in order to operate and incubate to multiply.

Something like bacteria, but not yet identified because our instruments are not gauged in order to recognize it. It is not perceptible by our senses, but it may be preceived by other means--indirect and subtle, or not perceived at all... after all, its survival depends on stealth by which it takes over its prey, undetected and unsuspected.

Perhaps there were times when the critter was recognized and methods of infection prevention and cure devised, but then, it--the parasite--may have disappeared almost entirely, surviving in some deep recesses, and then almost forgotten or relegated to mythology until it could find the proper conditions to spread its pan-demonium.

It feeds on hate, not on the situation response to events or happenings, but the cold, everpresent, deep rooted hate that does not oscilate when events or situations disipate their charge. The hate is not a natural state of mind, it has to be inserted, grown and solidified, trapped in a hall of mirrors of a fractured presonality, in an individual that is in some sense imature, stunted in its rightfull development.

It also feeds on outbursts of violent power manifestation with blood sacrifices. That can manifest in different forms, from enthusiastic clapping when seeing the results of partial birth abortion to participation in beheading in broader societal context, or in gruesome criminal behavior.

The old Greeks called them daimonai. We don't believe in them. I did not either. After all, I am a reasonably educated man, with strong scientific inclinations. I am not so sure anymore.

I hate all these filthy, brown semitic people with their crooked noses , hairy nostrils and worship a moon god

lets go over to stormfront and show our solidarity, boyds and girls

I haven't read the whole thread yet but I should point out that school boards are the functional equivalent to a farm club or little league baseball team for aspiring leftist politicians. This may in fact be a major contributing factor for the problems in the public schools.

#204 geekpunk2
I hate all these filthy, brown semitic people with their crooked noses , hairy nostrils and worship a moon god

Diaper change on aisle 204.

204 geekpunk2 ,
FOAD...Nazi shithead.

Cleanup at #206, a soiled troll incursion.

#204 geekpunk2

Charles, clean up on aisle four.

Darn, meant #204!

My visual cortex and motoric synapses say I should crash. :-)

#206, 208, 209

Damn, we need another good euphemism!

History Guides Inspired by UCLA destroyed. The fact that UCLA would be allowed to inspire national United States history curriculum is troubling. What were they thinking??? Luckily Mrs. Cheney was paying attention and deep-sixed this project.

We are caught between two odious and lethal movements: Islamism and the Left.

Zombie, just a note regarding the shift you described...
Yes you've nailed it. I was always centrist ever so slightly on the right side, but a while ago, people started telling me I am a right winger. The funny part is that I did not change my political views a bit, they solidified some 20 years ago.

Presently, it seems that a significant part of the right moved to the center, or rather the center expanded and enveloped a good portion of right and some left. Also, the political 3-d structure experienced a pole shift and the totalitarian vs anti-totalitarian axel came into focus. The former right-left labels are largely meaningless, because that polarity looks from the current focus rather blurry and folloving some relativistic equation, where something desribed as on the right may be actualy left of other left (southern democrat may be to the right of north-eastern conservative).

That is why I am not surprised by the convergence of far left and islamofascists, they have after all a common ground that overrides any ideological differences (these can be sorted out later and each of the sides believes they would win the final battle after they divide the spoils of anihilation of anti-totalitarians). Not much far right involved, as it is a dinosaur that is almost extinct in US context, but it also flocks to the totalitarian polarity and finds itself with the el cubos.

#212 epg

As I said, it is one movement at present: totalitarianism.
Differnet roots, same shit.

#213 ördög Johnson

That is why a "progressive" like John F. Kennedy would be considered a straight-up conservative. It's also why FDR, Truman and George McGovern would be way too conservative to be Democrats these days!

#213 ördög Johnson

Zombie, just a note regarding the shift you described...
Yes you've nailed it... The former right-left labels are largely meaningless,

Since I've already posted here about 150 times about my theory that there is no such thing as a left/right dichotomy anymore, I'll spare everyone a repeat of my rant. But, yes, in one sentence: as far as I'm concerned, left-wing and right-wing as political labels ceased to have any meaning whatsoever on 9/11/01; those of us who understand this end up on LGF, and the rest continue to fight battles that have been rendered irrelevant.

[...suppressing...urge...to...rant...]

#216 zombie

I never thought of it in those terms. I guess some people say there are September 10 people, and there are September 11 people. I guess I thought that September 11 is one of those events in life that showed us who our friends are, both internationally and domestically. It just so happens that a vast (or narrow; we'll find out in November) swath of the left are not among those who may be counted as America's friend.

#212 epg

And yes, luckily someone is paying attention, enough corrosive poison is pumped out already, every bit of counteraction counts.

#216 zombie

[...suppressing...urge...to...rant...]

Actually, rant on, it needs to be repeated--in a spread fashion throughout relevant threads... there are new people every day and although they figured it out on a subconscious level, they may not be able to put a finger on it yet.

Hey night owls...

zombie, give me the quick synopsis on your left/right theory.

#215 Conagher
#213 ördög ohnson

That is why a "progressive" like John F. Kennedy would be considered a straight-up conservative. It's also why FDR, Truman and George McGovern would be way too conservative to be Democrats these days!

I wouldn't go that far...Truman in '48 ran on a platform that included socialized medicine, govenment price controls, government power providors, and raising the minimum wage and bolsterin unions. He was a real liberal. (He also ran on civil rights which probably won him the election.)

#196 Max Darkside

I have no problem teaching the beliefs of Islam in public schools

and

I do draw the line with devil worship.

Does not compute. Allah is Ba'al, a.k.a. Ba'al Zebub, the devil itself. So which is it? Do you have a problem with teaching devil's worship in public schools, or not?

#220 a noble vision

I stand corrected.

I believe Truman was rumored to be aligned with the KC mafia as well. I guess that would put him in good stead with today's labor/union voters.

Talk about a waste of time, European, Asian Leaders Wrap up Summit

Asian and European leaders wrapped up summit talks in Hanoi Saturday by calling for the United Nations to lead the fight against terrorism while largely side-stepping a rift over military-ruled Myanmar.

In veiled criticism of the unilateral US approach to global threats, they stressed this "requires a comprehensive approach, collective efforts and international cooperation where the United Nations plays the leading role."

French President Jacques Chirac{ed. note: fuming over Fwrench exposure and lack of revenues caused from shutting down the food-for-oil scam}, who left the summit early for China, was more blunt Friday in his criticism of Washington, attacking the war in Iraq as illegal without UN backing and expressing grave fears for the country's future.

Uh-huh...another speechifiying event soon to be followed by what they do best, absolutely zip, nada, zilch and/or nothing.

#221 Mr Pol

Can I nuance it a tad?

Pre-Islam Allah = Ba'al
Islam Allah = Mohammed, IOW Allah was an alter ego of Mohammed, and Mohammed = Allah. Doctrinally, there is a distinction, but in practicality, the equation holds.

"There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah."

Mixing the name of Muhammad with that of Allah, must have sounded sacrilegious and a pollution of pure monotheism to the Jews - an idolization of Muhammad so to say. Their misgivings proved true. Islam started by substituting Muhammad for the idols of the Pagan Arabs, and that is what it has remained till our times.

This is quite discernable in the fact that Quran and Hadits are, for all practical purpose, interchangeable.

It is the same identification of Allah with the Prophet which has given currency to the patent Muslim slogan, “(you can) be reckless (in your utterances) about Allah but when it comes to Muhammad, beware! (bA khudA dIwAnA bAsh o bA muhammad hoshiyAr).” Allah can be discussed, but Muhammad is a closed book. The only freedom of expression which one can exercise vis-à-vis Muhammad is the freedom to praise him.

Mohammed picked Allah as a deity because of convenience, it was worshipped by the pagan Arabs, and M. just appropriated it from the pantheon, thus Allahu Akbar ([Moon]God is greater).

The belief core that Mohammed built on at the beginning was a mishmash of snippets of judeo-christian theology. However, he couln't convince anyone that he is the new messenger of God. That was the point where his alter ego took over and the articles of faith he produced since were based on mere convenience. In some sense, one can postulate metaphorically that he became possessed by a devil and it clearly shows in the result--there is no religion equal in blood lust and hate to Islam, and these that were are long extinct, bare some isolated cults.

What if the devil is actually a parasitic entity that Old Geeks called daimon? And what if this parasitic entity found a suitable host in Mohammed and functioned as his "divine voice"? The parasitic nature of Islam seems to be a perfect reflection of the inate character of the 'devil'. If such a species exists, creation of a religion of Islam type would be a tactic to guarantee survival and reproduction on a grand scale and for a long period of time beyond the usual cycle.

Of course, the existence of the parasitic species that feeds on human misery is not a part of the current paradigm. I suspect that there is such a species. If that is the case, then there may be a another way to deal with the predicament we are presently facing and the 'clash of civilization to the end' may be prevented, or at least somewhat scaled down to destroy the ones that belong to human species only by resemblance.

OT:

WHY
HAS
THIS
STORY
GONE
NOWHERE?

CNSNews.com

Me too.

This public school teacher will turn in her keys and walk out before she's a part of this nonsense.(AND before they think I'm hanging aroung waiting in the building for a KI pill "incase of attack")

AGREED!!! My freaking school has become the United Nations these past few years.

Where are the parents? If I had children I'd be bitchin and moaning and causing a whole lotta trouble for the
"Bored" of Ed!!!

PS.
Whenever I read sh*t like this I thank God that I am atleast halfway through my life; and hope to God that there is no reincarnation.

#225 Smapty

You mean why MSM did not touch it except 10 ft pole?

Maybe it is not in their interest?

I think that CNSNews.com needs to present more details for the story to gain some traction. The documents need to be thoroughly verified and authenticated, which takes time.

CNSNews.com may be also waiting for Intelligence community to react.

Sorry if this has been posted before but this is my reason why I'm very likey going to be enjoying Ramadan this year. ;-)

#229 Raziel (Troll Devouring Blader)

Hope is eternal. :-)

# 136 karmic_inquisitor

Now that is something I personally find as offensive as anything I've read of late. Please don't post any more drivel from the likes of Sylvia Brown.

#228

Well, I'm a little impatient considering that there is only three weeks before elections. The myth that Saddam "had nothing" to do with Al-qeada really irks me. Voters ought to know the full details of his involvement with Al-qeada and judge for themselves whether it justified removing him from power.

#45 zombie

You are on the right track. And copy all of the editors and columnists of the local print media with the emails.

Anyone following zombie's recommendation should attach the following two links to:

the Umdat al-Salik, the sunni shaf'ii shari'ah:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

and Mentat's excellent digest of it here:

[Link: boston.indymedia.org...]

It is a certainty that the dhimmie school board bureaucrats will have NO idea as to the true nature of islam. Nor, regrettably, will the tiny tots pushing the neutered, pablumized version of islam on the unsuspecting.

HTH

O/T:

Great news for Caterpillar.

#229,

May G_d shake the ground beneath their feet, and the earth open up to swallow them!

As usual sep of church and state only applies those of Judeo - Christian origins.

to
applies ^ those of Judeo - Christian origins.

#112 zombie:
Good morning, and thank you again!!!

#11 Orbit Rain 10/9/2004 08:37PM PST

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a looter
a mentally disturbed

And those were just his 'good' points

Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you don't believe them, they'll kill you.

Lenin said, "Capitalists are so stupid, they would sell us the rope to hang them with." The left apparently is stupid enough to hand Islam the knife that will slit their own throats.
Unbelieveable

Gee what great idea, why don't we set up student exchange programs and send a bunch of our kids to Wahabbi Madrassas in Saudi Arabia. They could learn to seethe and techniques for beheading directly from the masters.

Every year (as the culmination of studying medieval history) I show my 11th grade world history"Monty Python and the Holy Grail" and I dearly love Brother Maynard and his fruitbats and orangutans. (When we study WWII they watch Saving Private Ryan and parts of Band of Brothers)

As for fruitbats, I teach at a public k-12 school which was known for teachers being very political and indoctrinating kids to be politically correct. God forbid you actually teach them facts and let them make up their own minds. For example these teachers bragged they never taught about wars since war was bad.

I'm not kidding.

Can you imagine a medical school not teaching about diseases because they are bad? Yeah, you get the picture.

I revamped the whole curriculum and now teach the hard and cold reality of war and surprise...the kids want to know! And when they see the sacrifices made on the beaches of France and the forests of Belgium they are humbled.

No wonder we have so many people who "hate" their country, America, because they were never taught anything of value and substance about it. They like to talk about our racist and slave past but they fail to honor the 600, 000 Union soldiers that died to stop slavery. Arggghhh! Don't get me started!

Ok...I'll get off my high horse and walk into the sunset with brother Maynard. Just remember, there are people out there like me who teach public school. And if you have a problem with your child's school let them and their school board know. If you get nowhere then become a teacher!

#233 Earl
from your second link:

o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:

(continues)

(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;

(7) and are forbidden to build new churches.

I also like the part about paying the jizya, the significance is of paying it, not the amount. The ROP sounds an awful lot like a mafia and "protection" money.

Guess I'll stick my neck out with a divergent opinion here. What the hell - it's a nice day and I can always go pull weeds or something should I be slammed. The problem isn't Islam per se. The proble (IMHO) is the cultural stage of the adherents of Islam. They are roughly 600 years behind the west in the evolution of their religion. The Middle East is either still feudal or only very recently out of feudalism. 600 years ago (more or less), christianity was no big thrill, either, as any student of history can clearly discern. The Arab countries in particular have been yanked into the modern world in some respects, but not all. Their full transition to modern reality (if it ever occurs) is bound to involve one hell of a lot of trouble.

#203 ördög Johnson

You made me think of Philip K. Dick with that post.

Any Virginia parents here with kids in the 305th grades likely to become targets of this backdoor islamization? can u organise a noise protest? I guess all other LGF Virginians should join in simply out of solidarity.

#225

First, it doesn't fit the "narrative". Only cranks read that stuff.

Second, it is to close to the election and that story would help Bush.

I disagree with this statement in #228

I think that CNSNews.com needs to present more details for the story to gain some traction.

The MSM has run with stories that lacked detail or verification before when it suits their needs.

A few random thoughts:

Look at what most of the Islamic world is : Dictatorships where the overwhelming mass of the men are quasislaves, the women are slaves of the men, and the few wealthy get to do as they please(even when what they want to do is unislamic)-because everything that happens is "Allah's will". An occasional riot or demonstration, but for the most part, fatalism keeps the masses quiet, at least vis a vis their leaders. The people don't even seem to want rights : Democracy is incompatable with sharia, as more than a few imams have put it. All they want is to convert everyone else to their misery, and the vile"religion" that causes it.

Now think about how the LLLs WISH things were here : That we'd just shut up, do exactly as we're told, think as they tell us to think, and live on an eco/green stone age level , while they continue to live in luxury...Because they're so much more enlightened than us, so they're entitled.

It makes me wonder sometimes if that isn't the real reason the Powers That Be seem to want to do everything they can to promote Islam : Because they want to see Christianity destroyed by Islam, Islam as the new "opiate of the people", one which would make the people good obedient slaves. More so in the EU than here...Islam as the glue that would tranform the EU into one big nation, rather than a collection of nations. Crazy? Tinfoil? Probably...but still...

The idea of this world being hell...or hell being indistinguishable from this world:

My husband died as a result of medical malpractice in June 2003. As one might expect, I've been deeply depressed. I have also been tormented by dreams in which he and I are together again and I am so happy-but then I remember that's impossible, and I wake up immediately. I've often wondered if that's what hell would be for me : A few seconds of happiness, then misery as I remember that that's impossible...over and over again, for all eternity. A hell constructed entirely out of the memories and emotions stored in my brain.

And finally :

JFK is a traitor. Never mind his actions re: Vietnam, though that is important, and many thanks to the SBVFT. But look at his stance on Kyoto and the ICC . Those measures are incompatable with our Constitution and our national sovereignty. And few seem to care! Look how close this race is-JFK should never have been considered a viable candidate, much less be so widely supported. I conclude that even if GWB is reelected, the USA cannot survive for much longer.Not when so many of the so-called citizenry don't even care about sovereignty, about our system of government and the supremecy of the Constitution.

I wonder if Afeefa Syeed will teach the kids:

Jesus was never on the cross. allah deceived Jesus' disciples into thinking Jesus was on the cross but it was not so. Therefore the question of the Resurrection is a moot point. This is the fundamental foundation block of Islam.

If any kid asks who Jesus and his disciples were how can he answer without mixing church and state because he would have to teach about Christianity.

#244 TS

It may be shamefull, but I never read a thing he wrote. That he wrote (sci-fi?) is the only thing I am sure of. :-)
Hence, I can't comment.

#247 Pajama Person

Please accept my deepest symoathy for the loss of your beloved husband.

I hope you will consider speaking with a clergyperson or counselor to help you through this very difficult time. I don't know your beliefs, but according to the Book of Revelation, the kingdom of God is where He will "wipe away all the tears from their eyes." Also, 1st Corinthians states that "love never ends." Your husband is at total peace, and anyone who loved you would want you to find the same.

I too fear the hatred and intolerance of the Isalmist extremists, and I an irritated with the self-righteous left. However, I am optimistic that our country, at its heart, will not surrender to an ideology that is counter to the core of who we are.

Pajama Person #247

It makes me wonder sometimes if that isn't the real reason the Powers That Be seem to want to do everything they can to promote Islam : Because they want to see Christianity destroyed by Islam, Islam as the new "opiate of the people", one which would make the people good obedient slaves. More so in the EU than here...Islam as the glue that would tranform the EU into one big nation, rather than a collection of nations. Crazy? Tinfoil? Probably...but still...

Probably not crazy or tinfoil at all. I think there is definitely a segment of the LLL that wants to weaken American patriotism, nationalism, the Jacksonian tradition, etc., however they can. Promoting anything but traditional Judeo/Christian values accomplishes that to an extent.

Another thing that weakens is high immigration, which tends to dilute traditional values with people from very different cultures, such as Islam, who do not assimilate and even yearn to replace our democratic form of government with Islamic law.

I think the same goes for those who work to make the US more subservient to the UN, or at least think we should have UN approval before we act in self-defense or pre-emptively. And what can we say about the ACLU and some of its actions? The multi-culti, all cultures are of equal value nonsense.

There are people with all sorts of motives not intended to strengthen our traditional American values.

#246 Dar ul Harbarian

Well, what do you suggest CNSNews should do then?

Goddessoftheclassroom:

The terrible dreams have mostly stopped, and I am dating again. :-) But those dreams were so real ...The dialogue in them was "normal", not the sort of bizarre stuff that makes sense when you're asleep, and then you wake up and think,"What the -?!?!" I'm (mostly) sure it was the extreme stress, but I did wonder back then if I wasn't seeing something of eternity, and what hell could be like . Namely, that each of us has a separate hell, which is constructed out of the memories, fantasies, emotions, and fears of our lifetime-and that hell is being eternally alone, because any other people in that hell are shadows formed from one's mind, not entities themselves. Well, it kept me from doing anything crazy anyway! I find it interesting to learn that others have had similar experiences/beliefs.

Thanks #241, very much.

My mom just retired from 35 yrs as a teacher of middle school kids.

My husband calls our daugther's school at least once a month. He checks all her books, and homework, etc.

Last time, her science teacher used a L.A. Times article to teach the kids about "global warming", and how "the Bush administration is hiding information" . He was not happy, and he is a geologist/environmental scientist.

This topic is one of our most highest concerns.

hmmm
last year, in Edens public jr. ihgh school in here in Israel, the kids spent year learning about world religions.( Judaism is living reality in Israel, our day to day lives... with the kids studying tanach and Jewish customs and heritage almost daily)
Eden was very interested in learning not only about, Christianity and Islam, which is important to understand ing the history of Israel, but also Hinduism, and Buddhism, Shekism, Jainism, etc... she is now a very well rounded 13 year old who understands what they are talking about on the news if Ramadan etc is mentioned. In other words, she has a deeper understanding of what makes the fundamental Islamic mind tick, and better understands and the dangers they pose in the world situation. its fascinating talking religious philosophy with a 3 year old.
. while speaking only for myself and our situation in Israel, i feel knowledge is power, and ignorance is dangerous... if you want to understand what makes the enemies minds work, ...you need to understand their religion. Its who they are,
that being said, i dont see why American schools don't give equal learning time to Judaism, Hinduism, Shintoism ,etc, however... this emphasis on one religion seems very very wrong, and suspicious.
, children should learn about religions and not be kept ignorant,, but they be given a wide spectrum of the world realigions to study , and not exclusively one.

arghghm that should be a 13 year old,,, lolol

A.K.A Will:

I guess the main thing is to keep watching the EU. As everyone here knows, the moslem population in the EU is higher , at least in relative terms, than it is here. And as a result, we can see exactly what too many moslems here would do if they had more numbers AND we were also disarmed. I am tired of reading about the gang rapes of European (and Australian ) women, and of hearing the rapists explain that the victims deserved it for their dress, for not being moslem...I am tired of seeing thugs carrying signs proclaiming the UK (or France, or Denmark, or Norway) will be a moslem nation under sharia...I am sick of reading about moslem gangs attacking Europeans and making whole sections of THEIR towns or suburbs no-go zones even for the police...I am sick of reading about thugs DEMANDING their host states allow them selfrule and sharia, including the death penalty and mutilation...Or about ethnic Europeans being attacked en masse by thugs demanding they veil themselves and adopt sharia. This goes beyond criminality, beyond ehnic hatred-this is how Islam has always spread ; first infiltration, then violence. The only reason we don't here about this stuff happening here is , we're armed, and there's not enough of them (yet). We need to do everything we can to KEEP it that way, and fighting against indoctrination in our schools is part of that. (BTW, I've not seen this, but over on FR,some people who live in larger cities with moslem enclaves say the scum have taken to shouting abuse at nonmoslems they see, telling them they'll go to hell if they don't convert. The fact that they feel free to behave like that after 911 is troubling, to say the least-they should feel a strong need tokeep a low profile .)

Dang it Charles, you keep blogging about elections and war and terrorism and life-and-death concerns, but you haven't yet mentioned the real news from yesterday...

NUDEGATE!

(...or whatever you wanna call it)

I don't care what month Bombadon actually occurs, I think out of sensitivity to our Muslim citizens, the second Monday of August should be "Eid al Fitr Day", with a three day weekend, celebrated with an opening season college pigskin matchup, special sales as Neiman Marcus and Macy's, and a lots of beer being drunk at beaches, in the mountains, along rivers with a big rack of pork ribs cooking on every BBQ (except, of course for the observant Jews who will just have to confine themselves to drinking alcohol, playing with dogs, and just being Jewish).

We need another 3 day weekend between 4th of July and Labor day.

OT

The center of weak Tropical Storm Matthew has made landfall in Terrebonne and LaFourche parishes and is now moving into St. Charles parish, bringing lots of rain to the New Orleans metro area this morning.

Meanwhile, NHC has named the Atlantic gale center I discussed last night as "Sub-Tropical Storm Nichole", which after battering Bermuda with gales and heavy rain, could merge with another non-tropical low to bring a major coastal storm to the Canadian maritimes.

OT sort of--I recall that it is Herndon Va that has a huge number of Salvadorans. The Salvadoran govt rep was touring the area where these folks congregate and, IIRC, signing them up to vote in El Salvador. Of course this means that they are illegal immigrants.(Or 'economic migrants" as the 2nd in command to tom ridge, Asa Hutchison of Homeland Security calls them)
So besides the NEA-Islam axis, ol'Herndon has other
groups centrifuging.

Pajama Person #257

The first thing that must happen is for a majority of Americans to get over the multi-culti, politically correct drivel that's been spread around for thirty or forty years, and then begin to view other cultures for what they are, from a western/traditional American perspective.

That's beginning to happen, and as more people learn the truth about Islam and some other cultures, more and more people will begin to respond as Americans would have fifty years ago. Americans need to revert to some old ways in some areas.

LGF and the internet are probably the first forum for the changes to take hold, but the MSM won't be able to ignore reality on-and-on. More will break ranks, as Christopher Hitchens did, and a more rational dialogue should take place, and then begin to put pressure on our elected representatives.

It's maddening at times, but I think more and more Americans will open their eyes to reality, and hate to say it, but each Muslim atrocity opens more eyes than anything else.

Lizzy

That just reinforces what others have said about not treating all cultures as equals.

Israel, a small nation surrounded by mortal enemies still dominates the region in science, technology and standard of living even without much in the way of natural resources like the oil the Saudis have.

For whatever reason, the British culture, as a rule, seems to have better results in the world. Compare the US, Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom.

Perfect, no, as the left is always willing to remind us, that culture did partake in the African slave trade, didn't always respect indigenous people's rights etc., but compare British influenced colonies in similar places, like the Caribbean, to French colonies. Barbados or Haiti, where would you rather live. Even the poorest former British colonies, like Jamaica, are clearly a step up.

For whatever reason, some cultures produce a better standard of living and more respect for rights than others, and these should be the cultures that are promoted.

7 Conagher

I thought we were going the communist route to atheism, but I guess we're going the Islam route to Americastan.

It's not so much an either/or thing. In Canada the radical Left has actively joined forces with the Islamists. The middle Left--as in the US--believes George Bush is the source of all evil and is sympathetic toward the "oppressed" Islamists.

The decadent, weak and atheistic Left (with some notable exceptions, to be fair) is acting the classic "useful idiot" role in the service of the Islamist menace (which they perceive as a vanguard movement against the even more evil Western White Male Capitalist Imperialism.

The Western Left: with "friends" like this... you know the rest.

#255 lizzy,
I agree with you on all of that. Here in Southern California though, the subjects in schools are not balanced very well. It's almost like a fad. They will go out of their way to "educate" about whatever is politically correct at the time, almost in a panic. Like this article and like going for weeks on end honoring somebody like Martin Luther King Jr, which is fine and good, but they will disregard other things like Veterans' Day all together.

My step daughter is 13 as well. :) She notices the disregard for Veterans and historical topics related to the military in her school lessons. Her father is a disabled vet. She also notices the special attention to minorities and also the reverse racism, because she is half white and half Korean. She considers herself American! We've had some great talks but she gets very mixed hazy signals at school.

Thank God for the internet! I firmly believe that it was the internet that foiled gore's coup, it was the internet that exposed memogate, it was the internet that got out the SBVFT's information when the lamestream media tried to spike it-and anyone here can add many more instances . And you're right, Will, it's the internet that gets the truth about the ROP out there-generally from the horse's own, uhm, mouth. Look how often Ask The Imam gets quoted at LGF, FR, JW/DW...and just think of all the lurkers that see that hateful drivel. Already over 25% of Americans polled are willing to admit to negative feelings towards islam, despite all the propaganda. Maybe there is hope, though I feel JFK's numbers being out of single digits is one helluva bad sign for the future of this country.

"A little child will lead them"

A child will lead us if the Kerry/Carter wins this election.

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